August 7, 2025 • 57 mins
Lauren joined Ken, Rich, and Tom of Nerd Initiative to discuss Archie vs Minor Threats from Dark Horse Comics with creators Timmy Heague and Scott Koblish.
They discuss what went into creating this epic comic book crossover event and more!
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from Hopskeeeks News.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Lauren, what is going on?
Speaker 7 (01:53):
Not much? I'm very excited to be here. Minor threats.
The universe has been was one of the first comics
I got to cover for Nerd Initiative, and I am
just I fall in love more and more with every
arc that comes out, and this Archie run is already
so much fun and what we've already heard I cannot
wait for issue too. So I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
There's a lot to be excited about because of the
comics shops tomorrow as we're recording August sixth. There is
a crossover this coming that can honestly just be described
as Murder, Milkshake, and magic, but is so much more
than that when you have a creative team that knows
how to bring out the best in characters such as Bloodshot,
Captain America, Avengers, and Deadpool. We are very fortunate to
(02:34):
have the creative team behind Archie Versus Minor Threats joining us,
So please give a more welcome to writer Timmy Heik
and our Scott Colevish.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (02:41):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Hello, Hey, hey, t having us, Oh, thank you for
coming on the show. Like you say, we are big
Minor Threats fans here at Nerd Initiative. So honestly, this crossover,
there's a lot of questions to be had with it,
but I think the first one is how did this
come to be?
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Kimmy, give us, give us the scoop.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
The secret origin. So I've been you know, I've been
friends and hanging out with Pat and Jordan for a while,
and one of the hats I went, uh also doing
all things Threats like marketing and teaming up with dark
Horse to just amplify the series as much as possible.
And so at that being said, like I just I'm
(03:26):
always hanging out Pat and Jordan and you know, whether
we're getting food or just talking comics, like you know,
it's just it's it's the it's a blast. And you know,
we did a signing about a year ago and after
it we were hanging out and we were talking about
the future of Minor Threats and what the next six
months to a year looked like. And we were just
spitballing crazy ideas of you know what about a crossover
(03:46):
And you know, immediately we're like, well, what's the craziest
crossover we could come up with? And like no one
would see coming. And Archie was you know, it was immediately,
you know, just mentioned and I I didn't put my
name and you know, Hat and they're you know, naming
the hat for to ride it, but Hat Forden, you know,
(04:07):
asking well, who should be with us? They just pointed
me a couple of years there's no eyes lit up
And it's such a fun year now working with everybody.
And uh, Scott here was my first choice of a
dream artists vibrate with on this project. His style just
(04:29):
is so perfect for this book and the way he
can just craft unique styles for both characters of both properties.
This cross Scott's I could the whole podcast podcast. Yeah, well.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Very sweet.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, because, like I say, just seeing this on paper
definitely threw I think everybody off, you know, the first glance,
because you don't think about these two worlds colliding, and
then to see it now come to fruition. I mean,
there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It's true. Yeah, there's a lot. So yeah, there there
are two major universes with their own distinct styles, and
that was the challenge for me that I was like, well,
let me see if I can do this. And we've
even got a in the third issue there's like a
mix and match, like a Freaky Friday kind of thing
going on. So it's really exciting. It's it's really fun
(05:23):
to do just the mixture of styles and see what
we can kind of do. Because I wanted to try
and make sure that the Archie stuff looked exactly like
the Archie comics that everybody reads on the newsstand or
at the grocery store and things like that, and then
I wanted to make sure that the Minor Threat stuff
stayed exactly the way that the Minor Threats universe is
(05:46):
because I didn't want to short change them either, so
like I wanted to make sure that everybody, everybody got
their their say. But it's kind of a little bit
like peanut butter and anchovies on purpose, you know, we
wanted to make it so that it's a it's just
as thrilling and exciting magic trick as we can possibly
make make it so.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Well.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
And I think you nailed the art going one way
or the other. And I'm actually gonna jump ahead and
ask a question I wasn't intending to until later, because
you just gave us such a perfect segue, But how
was your mindset in switching from that archy art to
the minor threats art? Like did you really have to
like change how you were like in the zone and
drawing these.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Yeah, well the minor threat stuff is pretty scratchy and
pretty exciting, like it's it's got like a real energy
to it, the stuff that Scott Hampton does. I think
I got that right. And anyway, as Scott the artist Hepburn,
I'm sorry, yeah, Hepburn, I don't know why I got
that wrong. So Scott Hepburn is doing an amazing job
(06:47):
on it. And but It's got a lot of energy
and a lot of flow and a lot of like
a lot of rough edges, which I thought were really
interesting and and I really liked the the energy that
he was bringing to everything. And then the Archie stuff
is well, Archie has like an eighty year history at
(07:08):
this point of being kind of like they have a pattern,
you know, like the eyes are all drawn in a
particular way, the noses are all drawn in a particular way,
the hair and things like that. And I worked pretty
hard with the folks over at Archie to try and
make sure that I got as close as I could
to everything. A lot of back and forth with their
(07:33):
art director there, and it's been really exciting, really thrilling
to kind of be able to get to do some
of the Archie stuff because that's one of the properties
that I haven't had a lot of experience with before.
When I started at Marvel, they were doing the Archie
and Punisher crossover, and I thought that was really exciting
(07:53):
to see. I was like, it was pretty neat to
see that come through the office there, and it just
seemed like such a crazy concept that when when Timmy
suggested this for me to do, I was like, yeah,
let's do it. Let's let's try and make sure that
I get all the Archie stuff drawn right, and I
get all the the minor Threats stuff drawn right, and
(08:17):
then maybe we can just jam it together and see
what happens. You know, A lot of the lot of
the the work that I've done is a panel panel
structure is for the Archie stuff is very strict and
very specific, and the minor threat stuff less, so like
it's a little more exciting panel kind of thing, panel construction.
(08:39):
So I've been trying to, you know, even down to
that sort of stuff, I've been trying to make sure
that things get get done in a way that everybody
kind of like you get the best of both worlds, you.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Know, like so absolutely, and you can see it in
that panel.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you could see even in the yeah,
in those pages there, Like the first page is kind
of a mixture of both. So you've got the little
circle panels that Archie kind of does, but then you've
got the kind of rough hewn of the of the
bus and the town that they're redport that they're even
going into. And then you can see in the set
(09:17):
in the middle middle page that's the Sabrina and the
Teenage Witch kind of stuff. So it's a very specific
kind of like block pattern, you know, and you can
see the borders are all white, you know. And uh,
and we just did a We spent a lot of
time just trying to figure out how to make sure
that everybody felt comfortable in these worlds before we mixed
(09:38):
them all together and blew everything apart, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
So.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yet so now that we have a little bit more
on the art, which is fantastic, Yes, So let's let's
dive in for the story portion of this. In a nutshell,
what is the story all about?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
Give us.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
So hates she? It's been eluded in the minor threats
core titles, and there's something there why she hates magic
and Pat Jordan, you know, they left that to be
a lingering storyline for later. And when we're crafting this
crossover and plotting it, we decided, you know, we had
(10:24):
to throw Sabrina the Teenage Witch in.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And I've been you know, personally been wanting to write
an awesome epic of Sabrina for a while. And my
archie stuff I've thrown in you know, here and there,
and you know, and the digest, classic stuff, real minimal.
But she's my favorite like mystical witch type character in
all of covicdoms. So like, I was really hungry to
have every part of this crossover, and I wanted her,
(10:48):
you know, with magic, to be that that catalyst of okay,
so how can we connect her and Frankie's hatred for magic?
And from that came the creation of a villain called
top Hat, who is this magic junkie who looks like
a stage magician, and he has ties two Frankies past
her childhood. And there's a phistical, all powerful artifact called
(11:11):
the Five Fingers of that in classic archie comics, wholesome fashion,
Sabrina Teach wants because she gets her hands on it,
she can go to the witches and warlock Ball with
whatever date she chooses, which is a Hume of course,
a ka Harvey King. And so you got set up,
and you know, she needs to acquire a city, so she,
(11:36):
you know, her interpretation was originally going to be a
magic troll who deals in magic. He was away on
a Riverdale Twilight City to the Natural History Museum, and
of course it all goes terribly wrong. And when they
enter in Twilight City, They're well, they're welcome is not
warm welcome at all, and it's uh, it's just from
(11:59):
then on it's just Archie in the gang being in
a city they have no right to be in.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So as dreaming as Harvey is, you know, the question is,
what's it like jumping into the universe of Minor threat
What was the biggest challenge, you know, trying to keep
these arch characters to their core as much as you
possibly can, because trust me, somebody's got to turn sideways,
Let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's that's actually right there.
Like the other the whole part of the story too,
is like you have this magic angle of Sabrina and
Frankie and Frankie's you know, origin childhood. But for Archie,
the whole point of the story is what if Archie broke
bad and in a way where it makes sense it's
organic and also is very authentic to the Minor Threats universe,
(12:47):
but also hilarious and just something that shouldn't exist what
it does. And I'd like to think we put we
didn't all right of making it feel organic and real
and yeah, like Archie gets all taste of crime and
being the bad boy, and his motivations are classic Archie
in the sense Betty and Veronica are looking at Reggie
(13:07):
in a new way. He's he's feeling like he's looking
like a square and it's really getting to him. And
here he is now being thrown into just mayhem and
blood and magic, and you know, is Archie going to
embrace it or is Archie going to stay you know,
the the guy who is now being called a square.
You know, is he going to stay true to his
pure heart or is he going to dabble in you
(13:29):
know something that you know d's in front of him
and Frankie and Frankie folet's playtime.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, And Frankie has has the addition of for her,
she's been playing this evil she's been playing up this
evil thing. So so for the first trade and the
second trade and then the third trade, like she's continuing
to sort of go deeper and deeper into it like
(13:56):
a dark place. And this this stuff falls in between
the first trade in the second trade of minor threats,
so it helps to fill in some of the blanks
in between the first trade and the second trade as
to what she's up to where she's going with everything
and some of her motivation as she goes forward, you know.
(14:17):
So you know, if you had a situation where your
life had been just unrelenting hits to your your the
way that you feel about yourself and the way that
you interact with all your peers, Like if you had
that and then suddenly had like everything flipped around so
(14:37):
that everything was perfect, but you have this nagging in
the back of your head about what it is that
and where you're going and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
It really it really like focuses a lot on her
angle as well as Archie's angle, and I think it
actually ties in really well to the to the two
properties because Archie stuff. Actually there's there's a lot of
time that we've spent trying to figure out how to
make it so that Archie has a good arc and
(15:10):
also the same thing for everybody in in uh Twilight
City there too. So yeah, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
No, that actually ties right into our next question. So, Timmy,
you did you did the script with Jordan Boom and
Patton Oswold, who have been on from the get go,
you know, they created this universe, So how much back
and forth because you've written Archie before, and obviously they've
been writing Frankie since you know, day one. So how
much back and forth was there in writing the script
and was there more of like, we need more Archie,
(15:40):
we need more Frankie, Like how did that all collapse?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
You know, It's I was very forthit to like write
these characters with their creators. You know, I'm like me
and like Archie, like I've gotten down to the point
where it all feels supernatural. And like when I'm writing
Archie in the Gang, it's like I'm hanging out with
my best friends and then now here I am writing
that with too, my real life best friends and their creations.
And like anytime like i'd write a scene with Dialogue
(16:05):
or Frankie and Scalpel or you know, like I just
it would be like this moment where like I got
I got this because I have read all these books,
you know, three four times over, but also like I
am literally writing it with you know, the people that
created them. So like there was that like feeling of
oh wow, I don't want to mess up these people's
creations that I respect and love so much. But then
(16:26):
also well, hey, I also have their support and they
can help me do it and you know the best
of you know, the ability, and it I'm very thankful
for it because like there's parts where I wrote with
these characters where they swooped in and you know, just
made it even more authentic to the characters that they've
written for now for the last three four years. And
the other cool thing too, is like Paton and Jordan
would also like add their comedic talents to like some
(16:48):
of the Archie scenes, and I've given it just this fun,
you know, vibe that I'm very thankful to be a
part of and contribute to. And yeah, it's having like
it's like for me, it's like being part of like
a comedic comment book writing Justice League, where like we're
all just riffing off each other and just making you know,
jokes and how can we make it better, how can
we make it more you know, just makes sense and
(17:09):
just you know, punchline after punchline, and it's it's it's
a blast. Like I really feel like, like creatively on
the writing side, we've done an Archie in the Gang
that is very authentic to all fans of Archie. Like
we've created something that's got like, you know, something for
the classic Archie fans, the modern Wade era fans, even
Archie horror as the series progresses. But also I feel
(17:31):
like it's unique as well. Like I'm an absolutely in
love with Scott's designs for these Archie characters, Like they
feel vintage, they feel timely, but they also have like
this modern spin to it as well. And that plus
just writing you know what, I think are some of
the best original characters to come in comics. Like Frankie
(17:52):
Follis is such an awesome character. I love writing her,
especially like as this, like I kind of call it
to the minor threats fans. This is volume like one
point five, right, and like what's like to add what
Scott said about Frankie, Like after the events of volume one,
she's now the queen pin of crime and Redport, the
worst part of Twilight City, but she's also dealing with
(18:12):
all this trauma of like just what she went through
to get there, like you know, murdering insomniac and just
you know, dealing with everything with stick Man and the
repercussions of it all. And so you got that trauma
plus the worst kind of trauma, childhood trauma, and so
like you got that added to each other. And now
you have in front of her Archie in the gang,
(18:33):
like you're classic Americana innocent teenagers, and so you have
her looking to what the other side, you know, the
grass is green on the other side, right, You now
see her looking at these teenagers who have everything that
she never had. And now there's Archie and the Gang
looking at these characters that are the complete opposite of
what comes in Riverdale. You know, you got blood and
(18:53):
just murder and money and crime, and it's it's just
we've I'm very thinking, We'll say I I think we've
done an okay job of pulling off having these two
characters be on the same page. And it works. It shouldn't,
but it works. And yeah, like by the end of
the day, you want to create something with an Archie
crossover that's new, original but kind of in the same
(19:15):
vein as Archie Punisher or it's just ridiculous. And yeah,
to have this be something that's like integral to the
minor threats like Core universe and like the storyline too,
that just makes it all the better for me.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, because I mean, you see how that universe is
blown up right now too, and especially bringing over someone
as wholesome as Archie. When you're sitting there kicking around
ideas with Patten and Jordan, was there ever an idea
that Archie the publisher there was like, no, you cannot
do this, like under any circumstance, because as he's getting
into his breaking bad era, I mean, there's got to
(19:48):
be something that you know, you want to go, you
want to push how far the line can go. Was
there like an idea like you wanted to do that?
They were like absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
The thing that immediately comes to which, in the end
Trapp be a blessing disguise because it made it so
much funnier. Is all the craft root beer talk, all
the scenes of Arching the gang holding root beers like
blatantly in your face like that, that really became a
thing because it's like, well, you know, are they gonna
be teenagers trying to sneak beer? You know, like Reggie
(20:20):
is going to try and you know, get like a
racket going with you know, underage drinking. And Archie was like, no,
we're not gonna have the characters hold alcohol, and that
just kind of turned into okay, well let's use that
now to make just something even funnier and more ridiculous,
because you know, just seeing someone like Frankie punch someone
to death in the same panel as you know, Reggie
drinking a root beer is just too good.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
It's great, It was amazing. Did you see the contrast?
And yet it's still blended so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Woll So, my.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Questions for both of you, and now I'm gonna this
is always the question because it's like picking one of
your children at this point in juncture, because I want
to know what is each of your favorite cares to
work on during this whether it's you know, it's got
with the art or Timmy for you to write.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Interesting huh uh, well let me think so, yeah, let
me think tim.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Timmy, Like every issue kind of has like its own
for me, like Highlight and if she won, for sure
it's Sabrina because I really got to like give my
vision of what I've you know, been wanting to do
for Sabrina the teenage watching comics for a while. But yeah,
(21:35):
I I also had a lot of fun like writing
top Hat the original villain to the crossover, just having
something that ends up having connection and not just Sabrina
but Frankie and her origin was just so thrilling and
also what that doesn't write that kind of just felt
(21:57):
really exorating. But Barfly are a thing an issue too,
and that writing that is definitely one of the big highlights.
You know, Barfly just it is so fun a character
that speaks and just you know, sequential art. You know,
you're the panels, the movements, the mannerisms, the fun automatipoa.
(22:20):
Like Barfly is just such a blast. Who for a
character called Shiit Eater that's his legal Christian name, he
just works as an archie character in a way it
makes sense he works.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, Yeah, there's like we really up the anti like
for this book, like in the sense of like it
being a comic book, comic book like like I and
you know, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Just trying to again, you know, just compliment Scott Coobash
to death here, but like I really feel like this
is just like a sequential art enthusiasts like ideal book
with the way it's drawn. But like I take this
book sometimes with like the thought of not just is
it that, but this is just kind of like a
love letter to comic book, like comic books in general,
like beyond Archie, beyond my threats, Like in the same
(23:14):
where we homage Spider Man No More, but it's bar
Fly shit Eater, And it's just being able to write
that and see that come to life. It's just the coolest,
Like what like bar five doing Spider Man No More?
It's just it's sick as hell. I love it.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Yeah, And as far as the thing that I was
thinking about, the reason I kind of got a little
tripped up is about the favorite characters, because I've been
doing these deep dives on pretty much everybody, because everybody
gets a moment to shine. Like the great thing about
it is that there there is a there are a
whole bunch of really great Betty stuff in there. There's
(23:50):
a whole bunch of really great Veronica stuff. There's a
whole bunch of really great Reggie and Juughhead and the
Josie and the pussy Cats and and uh and Sabrina.
Like we really spend a lot of time just trying
to make sure that everybody gets their moment, their little
character arc, their little their their little bits in there,
(24:13):
like and uh, even the third issue, like I've been doing,
I've been really surprised at Mary the multi Monster is
like my favorite character. Yeah, she's awesome, and uh so
is a crab BLUI So like, uh yeah, it's just
it's really it's really cool. I I just really enjoyed
(24:35):
like every single character that's in this and then like
making sure that they have their moment to shine and
making sure that everybody kind of gets like where they
are and what's happening to them. There's a great panel
and an issue one that I was super happy about
nailing because it's a it's a it's essentially like a
(24:58):
panel where we establish where Archie's at in the at
the beginning of all this, and uh, I think the
dialogue correct me if I'm wrong, Tommy. The dialogue is
like what does he say? It's like when did when
did do when did being good become out of fashion?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, it's like yeah, but yeah, but it was like
more it was like when did it become out of fashion?
Because a lot of people think about Archie as something
that's from a bygone age, you know what I mean?
And I thought that the most important thing is to
sort of establish him as having a bit of a
crisis in this moment where like everybody, it seems in
(25:44):
the world is more than willing to be a little villainous,
you know, with their time, do you know what I mean?
Like if you if like it just seems like this
is the time period right now. It's like everybody's out
for themselves in politics and in music and in art,
(26:05):
and it really just feels like a moment where Archie's saying,
what is going on? Like, you know, like it there's
a value to being a good person and how do
I fit into this world where everybody's on the make?
You know, like the President's on the make. Everybody's on
(26:26):
the make, like they're out to get everything that they
possibly can at the moment, and Ritt and Archie has
to sit there and say what do I want to do?
And when he does break bad, you know, there's a
great resolution for it. So like it's just important that
that panel for me, like meant a lot. Like it
(26:46):
was a good way to like contrast you know, just
where they were, all the characters, where they're going, and
where we are as a as a community and as
a as a country right now. So anyway, it was
It's a lot to put on one panel, but it's
the kind of stuff that I think about all day.
Love you know, so.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's probably my favorite page in the first issue. Like
that was like a page that I definitely look at
as like just the brilliance of like how fun collaborating
with other creators can be. Because that's a page I
set up in scripting. Paton and Jordan teed it up
and just amplified it and tweaked it. And then like
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every page, like we get an email of Scott's work,
it turns out twenty times better than what we ever
thought it could look. Like like there's that and that
panel on that page. There's just so much going on
even behind Archie that amplifies it, like just the shadow
work and like the destruction of the Riverdale school bus,
like it just hits and it, like Scott said, it
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became something just way more meta and like out there
than just beyond Archie, you know, contemplating the things around him,
but just kind of like a commentary on just so
much more. And Yeah, I'm really proud of that page,
and I'm just I'm really thankful for like this whole
creative process for me because this was my first fourishy
mini series and like it was like there was a
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moment I realized, Wow, my first fourte mini series is
not just a cob book crossover, but it's a combook
crossover that has pretty like two big diverse cast of
characters on each side. Like there's a lot of Archie characters,
a lot of Mine Threats characters, Like we just mentioned
Marry the multi monster in crab Louis from the first
Minor Threats spin off The Alternates, which I really think
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is a criminally underrated book. I love that book so much,
and so writing those two characters has been a blast.
But yeah, I went into this, like you know, just
I went in this as a writer. I hadn't done
a fourish mini series before, and now I've come out
of it. It's not just a guy who's written one,
but I like to think I've become a way better
writer because I've had just the mentorship of Jordan Patten
and collaborating with a guy like Scott Here, and yeah,
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I'm just I'm really thinking for it all like this,
I almost don't want all this to end, if that
makes sense. Like it's just been such a kind of
a defining moment now in my comic book journey that like, yeah,
it's just this is a special book to me. And
I hope it's just even just a fragment of special
nests when people.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Now, you can definitely tell, like I said, when I
can't wait for readers to check this out tomorrow and
New Comic Book Day, because yeah, you can definitely tell
the excitement you're both having with this book, and it
just it's dreams of how much fun even though the
more serious tones are going down with it. So's that's
something you rarely find in comics these days.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
And now, Scott, you actually already touched on this a bit,
but with these books, especially Barfly, because that one I
really fell in love with, just like all this stuff
going on in the background, and it made me stop
and read every Minor Threats book and look all around
for all the Easter eggs and all the details as well.
So how much of that is scripted? And how much
do you get to add on your own? I know,
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like Timmy already praised you with how much you do
add and how much better it is. But were there
any specific things that you're like, oh, I'm going to
add this that wasn't discussed before.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It's funny like I'll sit there and I'll sit with
a script and then like I'll do my layouts basically,
and then when I get to the actual page, I'll
read the script again, and then I'll do some thinking
about it, like so like I'll set up the page
and then i'll sleep on it. In the next day.
If something else pops up, I'll go, oh, okay, maybe
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I can add this or move this around and make
this a little more clear, or take an extra beat
for something. And there was a moment where there's a
Ventriloquist puppet in here, because it wouldn't be it wouldn't
be a perfectly crazy book without a Ventriloquist puppet somewhere
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in there. And the Ventriloquist puppet. I had done a
whole bunch of research on Ventriloquist puppets, and the real
heyday for Ventriloquist puppets was like the nineteen twenties, and
it's a they're terrifying, they look horrible, and there's something
about those puppets. It's kind of like in the if
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you've ever seen a been on the Small World ride
in Disney, there's something underneath it that like makes it like,
I don't know if it's an uncanny valley thing or something.
There's something underneath it that makes it just a little
bit horrifying. And the more I thought about it, the
more I was like, oh, I'll I'll draw the ventriloquist
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puppet as a kind of horrifying really. And then the
more I thought about that was because it's it's a
puppet that's tied in with Frankie. I was like, well,
this is what Frankie's wrestling with, is this horrible part
of her own personality and this nice, nice spot that
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she's wound up in. And the more I did it,
the more I would like sit there and the just
these little things would happen. Like I drew a little
little scene with a Frankie like upside down, and I
had like a little bit of room in the bottom
of the panel that was just negative space that I
didn't want. I didn't like it, and so I just
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put like the puppet just like sort of crept in there,
do you know what I mean? And I just kind
of like threw it in and I was like, Oh,
that makes it way better because then it's like then
it's like the puppet is there judging her almost, you know,
like it's it's in there and it's not in the
script that the puppet is in that panel, and even
the panel I don't think is in the script. So
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I just like it's one of those things that like
it just it it started to come on, It started
to have a life of its own almost, you know
what I mean. Like I would be sitting there and
I'd be like, you know, i'd have this, like I said,
this little blank area and I was like, I'll draw
the puppet in there, and it made it like yeah,
and it made it so that like I think it
kind of I think it helps out these little things,
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but it's but it's also when I look back at
the script, I was like, yeah, the puppet's not supposed
to be great, like a happy thing, you know what
I mean. So like so like even where like I
subconsciously like absorbed, you know, the fact that the puppet
is not a great thing, but then kind of played
it up later and then it's sort of it sort
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of balances off of itself, do you know what I mean?
Like there's a whole bunch of things I can't wait
to set that puppet on fire. Is that puppet's going
to be set on fire at some point.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So and you won't see who like you, like, who
sets the puppet on fire?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
You won't see it coming, No, you won't, Yeah, you'll
you'll have no yeah when you actually see it. Like
it's one of those things that's so natural in the script,
but it's it's one of those things where if we
told you that that was what was going to happen
in issue three at the beginning of issue one, you
would just be like, I don't know how you get there,
but it was. It was a perfect moment. I'm just like,
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I was like, this is great.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
So.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Well, and I love that with Frankie because is her superpowers,
you know, creating these weapon toys and like the trillquis
dummy as a toy, but they're also creepy as all hell. Yeah,
they really don't like a parallel to her superpowers because.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Their mouths, their mouths go way bigger than you normally
would think. And the fact that it's like the jaw
sort of like decouples, Like it's just really yeah, just locates,
you know what I mean. It really becomes like a
really interesting thing to play around with. Like even there's
something that happens with the Ventriloquist puppet after it's set
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on fire that that I'm like trying to figure out
how horrible I can go with it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Yeah, what's wild.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
What's Wild is like the Puppets that came from like
an idea I had for the fine final issue no Boilers,
but like it's worth itself backward out, like this awesome,
creepy thing that has like depth, Like like that's why
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I love working with Scott because like the puppet's not
in the panel, but now it is, and it has
so much more meaning. And it's this duality of like
Frankie's you know what, you know, being judged by the
puppet and it's Frankie's dark side personified, and it just
it works. But yeah, this comic's a great read for
people that want to see weird puppet stuff.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Yeah, if you're in the weird puppet stuff, this is
the comic book for you.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Issue Issue three just becomes so much
more bonkers, Like it's we we do something in the
story that's just we. We spend a lot of time
craft and the like issue three especially, we set up
a lot that's not been done before and an archie crossover.
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I mean, there's a lot in this crossover that hasn't
been done with Archie comics, but it's it's really world's collide,
and in a way that just, uh is just why
crossovers exist.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah, and it's also one of those things where like
when we did it, I was like, or you know,
when I would get this script, I would go, well,
of course, like and then I'm like, well, hasn't this
been done before? And then I'm like this hasn't been
done before, do you know what I mean? Like I
was like, I don't know that any of this stuff
in issue three especially has been done in any of
the Archie books at all, maybe a little bit of
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the horror kind of books. But but it works out great.
It works out so well that it's just you're kind
of like, oh, yeah, that's that's of course where it went.
But if, of course you're like, this didn't exist like
an hour ago, like.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
And like, I can make the joke to you that
Issue three has Watchmen references, and you're like, he's obviously joking.
There's no way an Archie comic crossover would involve Watchmen.
And I'm not joking. It's absolutely a thing. It's bonkers.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Yeah, I'm I'm debating whether or not. Oh, I guess
I can't put the pus in there. No, but but
when you read it, there's an implied frontal nudity. But
so there isn't actually any you know what I mean,
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you won't you'll be spared. But but the Watchman reference
is definitely in there.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
What's the point if we can't touch the envelope exactly,
Maybe I'll draw it in the original art and then
just take it out.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
When I said yeah, we'll get we'll take the You know,
that's a really good segue, the fact that you know
we are trying to push the limits there, Timmy, You've
written Archie as a standalone and knowing how classic people are,
you know, what is it that keeps them around? And
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what is it that people should you know, kind of
maybe know about Archie before jumping into this book or
coming into any of.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Your other stuff that you're written. All right, we're gonna
get real cheesy. I want real quick, right hold on me. Yeah,
that's right. That was the voice I wanted. Thank you,
which great intro by the way. So yeah, so, like
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I was doing a digest with one of my coke Uh.
One of my collaborators, artist Bill Galvin, who was an
Archie regular, and one night we were doing a phone
call where we were workshopping future digest ideas, just classic
Riverdale stuff, and I ad like, he told me something
that has always stuck with me. That he said, the core,
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like Archie story, the core just Archie comics is Riverdale
is a town where you can always find a friend,
no matter who you are, no matter what you are,
and that friend is called Archie Andrews. And that just wholesome,
cheeseball line really stuck with me. And I even think
that even the DNA of this crossover, it's there because
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like that's the type of person Artie is. And now
he's been thrown into this world opposite Frankie Foles, and
now she's got all her stuff to work out, and
now she's got this guy in front of this teenage
kid that can be the friend that she needs. But
she's so messed up with everything she's dealing with from
the defensive volume one, her childhood trauma that she's kind
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of like incapable of it, and that kind of feeds
off and bounces off art She that like, now he's
also seeing hurt like world of just not wholesome, not pure,
not innocence, and he's becoming like her and it's like
this weird, like reverse mirror thing, and it's just so
much fun to write.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, because Frankie is grinding through people, like throughout the
first the first and second Trades, Like Frankie is grinding
through relationships and in just a horrible way. And it's
a great it's a great contrast with the stuff that, like,
like Timmy said about you know, Archie being there for you,
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Like Frankie is not necessarily there for you, you know, she's.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
There for herself most of the times. Yeah, And you
know it was It was a fellow retailer, my friend
Shannon Live of That City Comics, who is just a
certified Archie fanatic, and I was talking about the crossover
with her and she had this great point where she
was like, Wow, it's kind of really cool that you
have Frankie Foli's playtime like with Archie, because there are
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two characters that are both terrible at relationships. And I
was like, yes they are.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Yeah, yeah, two wrongs are going to make her right?
Is that what you're implying here?
Speaker 6 (40:42):
Maybe we'll see, we'll see that issue.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
For I was going to say we were going all
wholesome and then we were grinding through people in blue packages.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I don't know, and that's kind of and that's kind
of the crossover and not really.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, Rickle, I love it. Uh so with everything going
And I said this when I first saw this book. Obviously,
Archie has crossed over with so many things and it's
been great. So I really feel like, you know you've
made it once you crossed over with Archie. So Mynor
Threats obviously we're all fans doing good enough that we
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are getting the lord's work of it being with Archie. Now,
with that being said, since Mynor Threats is taking off
and being so great, if there's another opportunity for a crossover,
what and you were and you both you can do
it separately, do it together. You both got to pick
what the crossover was. And mind you, the world is
your oyster. Whatever you want to pick. Licensing is not
an issue obviously, because we're fantasy booking here. What would
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you pick? What franchise would you cross it over with?
Speaker 8 (41:49):
Next? Well, Timmy, you don't want to spoil things, do you?
Speaker 6 (41:58):
The air I'm I'm a big believer and the acronym
abs always be scheming. So there's there's you know, whether
it's an archie crossover, minor threats crossover, definitely, you know,
I would like to say, I will I will be
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dubbing myself the crossover kid.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
There will be more to come, but for minor threats crossovers,
you know, waving a wand and it being magically possible,
the first one that comes to mind, which I know
Paton and Jordan would absolutely kill it at and I
would just love to, you know, just dive into this
world as well. I'd love to see uh Frankie and
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the Gang uh of Twilight City crossover with the Rogues
Gallery of the Flash, you know, just you know, Rogues
versus you know, just Playtime and Scalpel and you know,
even throw in some of the alternate characters. And of
course bar Why, like I think that would be my
go to or just kind of like Barfly ship Eater
(43:05):
just like like Adventures with the DC Universe or you know,
Marvel really but you know, it's just yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I could see a suicide squad, suicide squad kind of thing.
They're pretty similar.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Weasel, Yeah, yeah, I was thinking more like Blues Brothers.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Oh, oh my god. Yeah, Blues Brothers, just the property
Blues Brothers, because they're coming back. They're going to have
like a new movie or something like that, I think, right,
I hope I'm not letting that one out of the back.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
But it's in progress.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
I'm sure it is. They're bringing everything back.
Speaker 8 (43:47):
Yeah, they're bringing everything back. Yeah, Blues Brothers and uh
and minor Threats would be pretty cool, to be honest,
that'd be pretty neat. But yeah, anything really like I
wouldn't mind seeing me the pooh and the minor threats,
to be honest.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
Yeah, poo Bear is too innocent, but yeah, I know, Tigger.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Having Tigger Tigger like in the mix, that would be great.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Go for Barfly.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
I feel like Tigger would accidentally save somebody by just
being like hyperactive and accidentally taking down a C class villain.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
And exactly absolute and the whole the whole joke of
the Poo's honey being secretly like a new drug in
Twilight City. You know, that's just too easy.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Just chills you out.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
The Heisenberg hat. I can't wait to see what Piglets.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Like is are. We are on this show at a swear, yes, obviously.
Also the line of bitch, better have my honey can
also be.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Ye too easy, no, not precious. Okay. So so one
of the things I thought that was interesting about this
comic run is Frankie's very dark, but she's dark in
every comic run, but there's always turmoil going on in
her head. Yeah, like you know, she's pulled both sides.
She's obviously wants her daughter, loves her daughter, and like
you mentioned before, it's kind of like, you know, she's
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between Scalpel and her ex, like you see that back
and forth. But in this I feel like she really
was just full on dark side. We didn't see any light.
Was that intentional to showcase the innocence of Archie or
is that just how this specific story is going.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, it's it's definitely intentional. And I also really love
how when you describe like Frankie with her ex husband
and Scalpel, you're also kind of really describing Archie in
a way with Betting Bronica, Like there's that similarity between
the two characters there as well, and like the in
the DNA, but yeah, like having the book take place
right after volume one she's full of that emotion. She's
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you know, it's that raw energy dealing with it all,
and we really you know, play on the whole like
childhood trauma of that connecting to her hatred of and
that really seeping through that. Every time she sees a magician,
a magical creature, you know, character super Villain and Twilight
City or Red Port, she wants to kill them and
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that right there, you know, just versus the wholesomeness of
Archie coming into town. It's just such a blast to write.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
You know, if I can follow up on saying that,
you know, everything is coming out of volume one, is
this going to affect minor threats going forward?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I cannot speak on Jordan Patten's behalf, but they have
said there will be ramifications of you know, for Frankie
and future volumes from this. Well, if I was a yeah,
if I was a betting man, I would say definitely
stuff with you know, this top Hat character and her
origin there, and you know, maybe top Hat has some
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connections to her mother and you know Frankie and volume two,
as you know, deals with you know, the death of
her mother, So that's that's something there. And yeah, this
this character goes through it. You know, Frankie Folli's playtime.
It's just NonStop, and you know when she has those
moments of happiness, those you know, that sliver of innocence,
it comes in, you know, very short doses. You know,
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when it comes to, you know, being happy with Scalpel
and you know, or being happy with her daughter, like
it's very few and far between, and seeing somebody like
Archie who has it all the time is definitely an
eye opening thing for her. And also it's really funny
in contrast that, like here Archie has this perfect, you know,
Americana innocent teenage life and he's down in the dumps
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because Betty and Veronica are giving Reggie more attention and
it's the end of his world. Like he's contemplating wanted
being the good guy, you know, go out of style. Mean,
while here's Frankie, like you know, just going through, oh
just murdered a superhero, a super villain, just try to
murder her, which they had to murder and self defense.
Like it's just really funny the contrasting of you know,
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problems in their lives.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
No, that's incredible, And like I say, this whole series
is gonna be one everybody's gonna be really talking about
for you know, a legendary crossover. Yes, And the last
question we had lined up is, this is such an
unlikely crossover, but what is your personal favorite crossover all
time as a fan for both of you Chat super Chat,
you can definitely throw your picks in, but we're gonna
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definitely ask the panel as well.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Yeah, I take writing comic books so serious it's kind
of silly. Like when I first started writing for Archie,
I wrote, I wrote you know a ya horror story,
and my research for that was rereading every Archie horror,
diving into Archie like from the nineteen forties or these
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like archive collected edition books. Like I love giving myself
comic book homework of just seeing these characters and all
its history. And so when it was time to do
a crossover, and that was you know, on the agenda
for writing, I gave myself the fun homework of reading
as many common book crossovers as possible, like we're talking
Marvel DC famous ones, the Obscure Forgotten, you know, Marvel
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DC crossovers, random indie publisher crossovers, like I digested all
of them happily, and gosh to pick it, to pick
a favorite, like rough like what like what a you know?
But like, if I absolutely had to pick one, the
first one that comes to mind, and maybe it's just
just so much about my personality is Lobo of the
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Duck the Amalgam one shot of just low.
Speaker 8 (49:38):
Is why, Like.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
That's the first one that comes to mind. It's just
so ridiculous. Yeah, it's such a who I mean, all
those Amalgam books are just so great and so fun.
But that's probably the first one that comes to mind.
And then maybe close, close, close second, and we got
to make it an archie archie versus predator of rules
like that. That book was a big inspiration for writing
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this in terms of the contrast of like the Horror
Action meets you know, the Innocence of art Sheet and Riverdale.
But yeah, I if you name a crossover, chances are
in the last year I read it, I just calmed
a crossovers. Call me the crossover kid, please.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
Yeah, for me, it's sort of a toss up between
like George Perez is Avengers and j LA and the
Teen Titans and X Men crossover I read. I read
The Teen Titans and X Men a cross everyone. I
was a kid, and I just I read that thing
a million times and then the the j LA Avengers one,
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they reprinted it recently, so I got to reread it
again and just that impulse to sort of draw everyone
and everything like that George had, Like I've really been
kind of focused on that the past couple of years,
so like like being able to draw the Archie characters
and being able to draw all the minor Threats characters
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and the the alternate characters and the Barfly and all
that stuff. Like it's really fun to be able to
go like, all right, I've got more boxes that I've
checked off, you know, like because I remember George saying
like he just he had that in his head. He
was this this this che checklist that he still had
and has head about what he wanted to draw, you know,
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before he went away. So yeah, So.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
Lauren, so my last question. We actually touched on this
a little bit, and I almost.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I had your pick now your pick for crossover.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Oh for.
Speaker 7 (51:44):
Yeah, I was gonna ask about more Easter Okay, so
I don't even want to ask that because we already
mentioned a bunch of future cameos. If you're a crossover.
So I don't know that I've read too many crossovers.
I mean, any Predator Verse whoever written by Ben Percy's amazing.
But because we're doing Archie, I recently read The Jay
and Silent Bob one with Archie.
Speaker 8 (52:03):
Which oh fun, Yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
It was just fun and absolutely silly because you think
Archie's out of place in like Redport. No, He's insanely
out of place at Quick Stop. So you know that's
fresh in my memory. So I'm just gonna go with
that and stay on theme.
Speaker 6 (52:22):
Good, I keep I keep calling it a Archie crossover Summer, like,
it was really cool that that book came out, and
you know, the month before it for us, you know
it was it was a cool t off.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Absolutely yeah, Uh, mine are gonna be I mean, obviously
everybody knows, like two of my favorite franchises have already
crossed over together, Ninja Turtles, Empower Rangers. We're talking the
first one, Sorry, Ryan, you know I'm gonna bag you
on the second he knows, he knows exactly why. And
then the second one is uh, and this is gonna
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be more obscurit its video game crossover. It's a mega
man street Fighter. Wow wasn't made actually as a physical
cartridge game. It was an online only from Capcom.
Speaker 7 (53:05):
Okay, I thought we were just talking comics, so I
definitely would have said Scooby Natural with Supernatural and Scooby Doo.
I'd like to change my answer.
Speaker 8 (53:12):
You're allowed.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Tom likes to play fast and the world.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
I should have known, I should have.
Speaker 6 (53:20):
My next my next comic. My next comic release is
A is A is a crossover, and it is one
with the video game property. So I'll tease that's a
good tease.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I will stay in comic books, I was. I also
like a lot of the crossovers, but uh Near and
Dear to My Heart was two of my favorites of
my lifetime favorites about child too now and it was
the Batman TM and T crossover just because I just
never thought I was going to see two of the
things that made my childhood come together.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
So it's always a bright side, very good one great.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean me, I agree with Scott is Jla Avengers,
like I say, that's that is like the benchmark. I
also have a soft spot for like DEATHMTE with Image
and Valiant just because of you know, like I said,
even though it was it was messy as all could be,
but still like it's just that in that time period,
image and value, we're you know, rocking and rolling, So
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that always stands out in Marvel VUS DC, except for
two fan voted egregious errors they made. Sorry, Lauren, but
there's no chance Wolverine beats Lobo and Captain America definitely
definitely beat Batman. I will not hear otherwise.
Speaker 7 (54:29):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't care how much prep time he's got. No,
he's not being capped.
Speaker 8 (54:32):
No, this is.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
This will be for another time. Your your overrar here, Lauren,
you have one more question to close us out.
Speaker 7 (54:42):
No, I just my last question was, really, can we
expect any cameos from other characters? But you've already said
a bunch, and honestly, I'm I'm big on on no spoilers,
so I'm going to be happy with the people you've
already mentioned. And I do want to say, anybody who
is not familiar with this universe and feels overwhelmed, it
doesn't matter. This common catches you have right away, but
you will fall in love so quick that you'll want
(55:02):
to go back and read everything. But you guys, you
literally mentioned my three favorite characters, which is shitt Eater, Crab, Louis,
and Marie the multi Monsters. So and her dating life
is hilariously sad. And yeah, all the alternates is slept on.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
I would say, of.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
All the runs, alternates are slept on. So so don't
answer my last question.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
No fair enough, But I would say, gentlemen, tomorrow, you
guys have a big hit on your hands, and we
can't stress enough you're a nerd initiative. Archie versus Minor
Threats might not be the crossover you're expecting, but it's
the one that you cannot afford to miss on New
Comic Book Day. It has got so many elements that
remind you of why you love comics. The imagination is there,
the story is great, the art is going to blow
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you away. In fact, Rich, I was going to say,
you might show on the covers for this because the
cover work, especially Scott's, is in the middle there too,
and how detailed and layered that is with the cameos, like,
that's the one I'm going to be searching out for tomorrow.
But all of these definitely need to be in your
poll list, and you need to go make sure you
get this series, because this is gonna be something that
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is truly a comic event that you don't want to
be saying you missed. And gentlemen, we can't thank you
enough for coming on the show. After the series is
wrapped up, we definitely as and recap.
Speaker 8 (56:14):
Thank yeah, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
No, absolutely, And if you were looking for more comic reviews,
nerd initiaip has you covered starting at nine am Eastern
Standard time, and even a little spoiler, the review for
Archie Versus Minor Threats by Lauren will be out at
nine oh five Eastern centertime internship dot com, so you
want to make sure you check that out and then
at noon it goes to the videos on YouTube. So nobody,
i mean nobody is doing New Comic Book Day like
Nerd Initiative. So once again, thank you to Timmy and
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Scott for coming through on the show and on behalf
of a rich Tom and Lauren for coming through. We
just want to say thank you for checking out another
edition to turn a page, and we'll end like we
always do. When you're at the comic shop and you
have a great issue in your hands, such as Archie
Versus minor threats by dark Horse and Archie. And you
see somebody struggling to find something, grabbing them copy, hand
it off to him them turn a page.
Speaker 8 (56:58):
We'll see you next time.
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Hang on, everyone is Tuesday Night, Apment Center Time. Man,
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to the one only rich.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That is right, and I am happy to be here
and excited to talk about some really interesting stuff.
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Yes, and down to the right of the screen. It's
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My name's off the cuff, Tom your Initiatives pop culture connoisseur. Sorry,
I took a trip through Riverdale on my way here,
but you know what, everybody, it's always a.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Pleasure, absolutely, And we have a special guest joining us.
You know her, his one half of the dynamic duo
of girafts in Dialogue bringing you to that pop culture
knowledge that you need to know each and every week
for five years now in counting, So happy anniversary on that.
But if we are going to Twilight City, we have
to go get the Mayor of Twilight City herself. Please
give a warm welcome to the one and only Lauren
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from Hopskeeeks News.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Lauren, what is going on?
Speaker 7 (01:53):
Not much? I'm very excited to be here. Minor threats.
The universe has been was one of the first comics
I got to cover for Nerd Initiative, and I am
just I fall in love more and more with every
arc that comes out, and this Archie run is already
so much fun and what we've already heard I cannot
wait for issue too. So I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
There's a lot to be excited about because of the
comics shops tomorrow as we're recording August sixth. There is
a crossover this coming that can honestly just be described
as Murder, Milkshake, and magic, but is so much more
than that when you have a creative team that knows
how to bring out the best in characters such as Bloodshot,
Captain America, Avengers, and Deadpool. We are very fortunate to
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have the creative team behind Archie Versus Minor Threats joining us,
So please give a more welcome to writer Timmy Heik
and our Scott Colevish.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (02:41):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Hello, Hey, hey, t having us, Oh, thank you for
coming on the show. Like you say, we are big
Minor Threats fans here at Nerd Initiative. So honestly, this crossover,
there's a lot of questions to be had with it,
but I think the first one is how did this
come to be?
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Kimmy, give us, give us the scoop.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
The secret origin. So I've been you know, I've been
friends and hanging out with Pat and Jordan for a while,
and one of the hats I went, uh also doing
all things Threats like marketing and teaming up with dark
Horse to just amplify the series as much as possible.
And so at that being said, like I just I'm
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always hanging out Pat and Jordan and you know, whether
we're getting food or just talking comics, like you know,
it's just it's it's the it's a blast. And you know,
we did a signing about a year ago and after
it we were hanging out and we were talking about
the future of Minor Threats and what the next six
months to a year looked like. And we were just
spitballing crazy ideas of you know what about a crossover
(03:46):
And you know, immediately we're like, well, what's the craziest
crossover we could come up with? And like no one
would see coming. And Archie was you know, it was immediately,
you know, just mentioned and I I didn't put my
name and you know, Hat and they're you know, naming
the hat for to ride it, but Hat Forden, you know,
(04:07):
asking well, who should be with us? They just pointed
me a couple of years there's no eyes lit up
And it's such a fun year now working with everybody.
And uh, Scott here was my first choice of a
dream artists vibrate with on this project. His style just
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is so perfect for this book and the way he
can just craft unique styles for both characters of both properties.
This cross Scott's I could the whole podcast podcast. Yeah, well.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Very sweet.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, because, like I say, just seeing this on paper
definitely threw I think everybody off, you know, the first glance,
because you don't think about these two worlds colliding, and
then to see it now come to fruition. I mean,
there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It's true. Yeah, there's a lot. So yeah, there there
are two major universes with their own distinct styles, and
that was the challenge for me that I was like, well,
let me see if I can do this. And we've
even got a in the third issue there's like a
mix and match, like a Freaky Friday kind of thing
going on. So it's really exciting. It's it's really fun
(05:23):
to do just the mixture of styles and see what
we can kind of do. Because I wanted to try
and make sure that the Archie stuff looked exactly like
the Archie comics that everybody reads on the newsstand or
at the grocery store and things like that, and then
I wanted to make sure that the Minor Threat stuff
stayed exactly the way that the Minor Threats universe is
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because I didn't want to short change them either, so
like I wanted to make sure that everybody, everybody got
their their say. But it's kind of a little bit
like peanut butter and anchovies on purpose, you know, we
wanted to make it so that it's a it's just
as thrilling and exciting magic trick as we can possibly
make make it so.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Well.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
And I think you nailed the art going one way
or the other. And I'm actually gonna jump ahead and
ask a question I wasn't intending to until later, because
you just gave us such a perfect segue, But how
was your mindset in switching from that archy art to
the minor threats art? Like did you really have to
like change how you were like in the zone and
drawing these.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Yeah, well the minor threat stuff is pretty scratchy and
pretty exciting, like it's it's got like a real energy
to it, the stuff that Scott Hampton does. I think
I got that right. And anyway, as Scott the artist Hepburn,
I'm sorry, yeah, Hepburn, I don't know why I got
that wrong. So Scott Hepburn is doing an amazing job
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on it. And but It's got a lot of energy
and a lot of flow and a lot of like
a lot of rough edges, which I thought were really
interesting and and I really liked the the energy that
he was bringing to everything. And then the Archie stuff
is well, Archie has like an eighty year history at
(07:08):
this point of being kind of like they have a pattern,
you know, like the eyes are all drawn in a
particular way, the noses are all drawn in a particular way,
the hair and things like that. And I worked pretty
hard with the folks over at Archie to try and
make sure that I got as close as I could
to everything. A lot of back and forth with their
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art director there, and it's been really exciting, really thrilling
to kind of be able to get to do some
of the Archie stuff because that's one of the properties
that I haven't had a lot of experience with before.
When I started at Marvel, they were doing the Archie
and Punisher crossover, and I thought that was really exciting
(07:53):
to see. I was like, it was pretty neat to
see that come through the office there, and it just
seemed like such a crazy concept that when when Timmy
suggested this for me to do, I was like, yeah,
let's do it. Let's let's try and make sure that
I get all the Archie stuff drawn right, and I
get all the the minor Threats stuff drawn right, and
(08:17):
then maybe we can just jam it together and see
what happens. You know, A lot of the lot of
the the work that I've done is a panel panel
structure is for the Archie stuff is very strict and
very specific, and the minor threat stuff less, so like
it's a little more exciting panel kind of thing, panel construction.
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So I've been trying to, you know, even down to
that sort of stuff, I've been trying to make sure
that things get get done in a way that everybody
kind of like you get the best of both worlds, you.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Know, like so absolutely, and you can see it in
that panel.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you could see even in the yeah,
in those pages there, Like the first page is kind
of a mixture of both. So you've got the little
circle panels that Archie kind of does, but then you've
got the kind of rough hewn of the of the
bus and the town that they're redport that they're even
going into. And then you can see in the set
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in the middle middle page that's the Sabrina and the
Teenage Witch kind of stuff. So it's a very specific
kind of like block pattern, you know, and you can
see the borders are all white, you know. And uh,
and we just did a We spent a lot of
time just trying to figure out how to make sure
that everybody felt comfortable in these worlds before we mixed
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them all together and blew everything apart, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
So.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yet so now that we have a little bit more
on the art, which is fantastic, Yes, So let's let's
dive in for the story portion of this. In a nutshell,
what is the story all about?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
Give us.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
So hates she? It's been eluded in the minor threats
core titles, and there's something there why she hates magic
and Pat Jordan, you know, they left that to be
a lingering storyline for later. And when we're crafting this
crossover and plotting it, we decided, you know, we had
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to throw Sabrina the Teenage Witch in.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And I've been you know, personally been wanting to write
an awesome epic of Sabrina for a while. And my
archie stuff I've thrown in you know, here and there,
and you know, and the digest, classic stuff, real minimal.
But she's my favorite like mystical witch type character in
all of covicdoms. So like, I was really hungry to
have every part of this crossover, and I wanted her,
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you know, with magic, to be that that catalyst of okay,
so how can we connect her and Frankie's hatred for magic?
And from that came the creation of a villain called
top Hat, who is this magic junkie who looks like
a stage magician, and he has ties two Frankies past
her childhood. And there's a phistical, all powerful artifact called
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the Five Fingers of that in classic archie comics, wholesome fashion,
Sabrina Teach wants because she gets her hands on it,
she can go to the witches and warlock Ball with
whatever date she chooses, which is a Hume of course,
a ka Harvey King. And so you got set up,
and you know, she needs to acquire a city, so she,
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you know, her interpretation was originally going to be a
magic troll who deals in magic. He was away on
a Riverdale Twilight City to the Natural History Museum, and
of course it all goes terribly wrong. And when they
enter in Twilight City, They're well, they're welcome is not
warm welcome at all, and it's uh, it's just from
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then on it's just Archie in the gang being in
a city they have no right to be in.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So as dreaming as Harvey is, you know, the question is,
what's it like jumping into the universe of Minor threat
What was the biggest challenge, you know, trying to keep
these arch characters to their core as much as you
possibly can, because trust me, somebody's got to turn sideways,
Let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's that's actually right there.
Like the other the whole part of the story too,
is like you have this magic angle of Sabrina and
Frankie and Frankie's you know, origin childhood. But for Archie,
the whole point of the story is what if Archie broke
bad and in a way where it makes sense it's
organic and also is very authentic to the Minor Threats universe,
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but also hilarious and just something that shouldn't exist what
it does. And I'd like to think we put we
didn't all right of making it feel organic and real
and yeah, like Archie gets all taste of crime and
being the bad boy, and his motivations are classic Archie
in the sense Betty and Veronica are looking at Reggie
(13:07):
in a new way. He's he's feeling like he's looking
like a square and it's really getting to him. And
here he is now being thrown into just mayhem and
blood and magic, and you know, is Archie going to
embrace it or is Archie going to stay you know,
the the guy who is now being called a square.
You know, is he going to stay true to his
pure heart or is he going to dabble in you
(13:29):
know something that you know d's in front of him
and Frankie and Frankie folet's playtime.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, And Frankie has has the addition of for her,
she's been playing this evil she's been playing up this
evil thing. So so for the first trade and the
second trade and then the third trade, like she's continuing
to sort of go deeper and deeper into it like
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a dark place. And this this stuff falls in between
the first trade in the second trade of minor threats,
so it helps to fill in some of the blanks
in between the first trade and the second trade as
to what she's up to where she's going with everything
and some of her motivation as she goes forward, you know.
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So you know, if you had a situation where your
life had been just unrelenting hits to your your the
way that you feel about yourself and the way that
you interact with all your peers, Like if you had
that and then suddenly had like everything flipped around so
(14:37):
that everything was perfect, but you have this nagging in
the back of your head about what it is that
and where you're going and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
It really it really like focuses a lot on her
angle as well as Archie's angle, and I think it
actually ties in really well to the to the two
properties because Archie stuff. Actually there's there's a lot of
time that we've spent trying to figure out how to
make it so that Archie has a good arc and
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also the same thing for everybody in in uh Twilight
City there too. So yeah, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
No, that actually ties right into our next question. So, Timmy,
you did you did the script with Jordan Boom and
Patton Oswold, who have been on from the get go,
you know, they created this universe, So how much back
and forth because you've written Archie before, and obviously they've
been writing Frankie since you know, day one. So how
much back and forth was there in writing the script
and was there more of like, we need more Archie,
(15:40):
we need more Frankie, Like how did that all collapse?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
You know, It's I was very forthit to like write
these characters with their creators. You know, I'm like me
and like Archie, like I've gotten down to the point
where it all feels supernatural. And like when I'm writing
Archie in the Gang, it's like I'm hanging out with
my best friends and then now here I am writing
that with too, my real life best friends and their creations.
And like anytime like i'd write a scene with Dialogue
(16:05):
or Frankie and Scalpel or you know, like I just
it would be like this moment where like I got
I got this because I have read all these books,
you know, three four times over, but also like I
am literally writing it with you know, the people that
created them. So like there was that like feeling of
oh wow, I don't want to mess up these people's
creations that I respect and love so much. But then
(16:26):
also well, hey, I also have their support and they
can help me do it and you know the best
of you know, the ability, and it I'm very thankful
for it because like there's parts where I wrote with
these characters where they swooped in and you know, just
made it even more authentic to the characters that they've
written for now for the last three four years. And
the other cool thing too, is like Paton and Jordan
would also like add their comedic talents to like some
(16:48):
of the Archie scenes, and I've given it just this fun,
you know, vibe that I'm very thankful to be a
part of and contribute to. And yeah, it's having like
it's like for me, it's like being part of like
a comedic comment book writing Justice League, where like we're
all just riffing off each other and just making you know,
jokes and how can we make it better, how can
we make it more you know, just makes sense and
(17:09):
just you know, punchline after punchline, and it's it's it's
a blast. Like I really feel like, like creatively on
the writing side, we've done an Archie in the Gang
that is very authentic to all fans of Archie. Like
we've created something that's got like, you know, something for
the classic Archie fans, the modern Wade era fans, even
Archie horror as the series progresses. But also I feel
(17:31):
like it's unique as well. Like I'm an absolutely in
love with Scott's designs for these Archie characters, Like they
feel vintage, they feel timely, but they also have like
this modern spin to it as well. And that plus
just writing you know what, I think are some of
the best original characters to come in comics. Like Frankie
(17:52):
Follis is such an awesome character. I love writing her,
especially like as this, like I kind of call it
to the minor threats fans. This is volume like one
point five, right, and like what's like to add what
Scott said about Frankie, Like after the events of volume one,
she's now the queen pin of crime and Redport, the
worst part of Twilight City, but she's also dealing with
(18:12):
all this trauma of like just what she went through
to get there, like you know, murdering insomniac and just
you know, dealing with everything with stick Man and the
repercussions of it all. And so you got that trauma
plus the worst kind of trauma, childhood trauma, and so
like you got that added to each other. And now
you have in front of her Archie in the gang,
(18:33):
like you're classic Americana innocent teenagers, and so you have
her looking to what the other side, you know, the
grass is green on the other side, right, You now
see her looking at these teenagers who have everything that
she never had. And now there's Archie and the Gang
looking at these characters that are the complete opposite of
what comes in Riverdale. You know, you got blood and
(18:53):
just murder and money and crime, and it's it's just
we've I'm very thinking, We'll say I I think we've
done an okay job of pulling off having these two
characters be on the same page. And it works. It shouldn't,
but it works. And yeah, like by the end of
the day, you want to create something with an Archie
crossover that's new, original but kind of in the same
(19:15):
vein as Archie Punisher or it's just ridiculous. And yeah,
to have this be something that's like integral to the
minor threats like Core universe and like the storyline too,
that just makes it all the better for me.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, because I mean, you see how that universe is
blown up right now too, and especially bringing over someone
as wholesome as Archie. When you're sitting there kicking around
ideas with Patten and Jordan, was there ever an idea
that Archie the publisher there was like, no, you cannot
do this, like under any circumstance, because as he's getting
into his breaking bad era, I mean, there's got to
(19:48):
be something that you know, you want to go, you
want to push how far the line can go. Was
there like an idea like you wanted to do that?
They were like absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
The thing that immediately comes to which, in the end
Trapp be a blessing disguise because it made it so
much funnier. Is all the craft root beer talk, all
the scenes of Arching the gang holding root beers like
blatantly in your face like that, that really became a
thing because it's like, well, you know, are they gonna
be teenagers trying to sneak beer? You know, like Reggie
(20:20):
is going to try and you know, get like a
racket going with you know, underage drinking. And Archie was like, no,
we're not gonna have the characters hold alcohol, and that
just kind of turned into okay, well let's use that
now to make just something even funnier and more ridiculous,
because you know, just seeing someone like Frankie punch someone
to death in the same panel as you know, Reggie
drinking a root beer is just too good.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
It's great, It was amazing. Did you see the contrast?
And yet it's still blended so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Woll So, my.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Questions for both of you, and now I'm gonna this
is always the question because it's like picking one of
your children at this point in juncture, because I want
to know what is each of your favorite cares to
work on during this whether it's you know, it's got
with the art or Timmy for you to write.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Interesting huh uh, well let me think so, yeah, let
me think tim.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Timmy, Like every issue kind of has like its own
for me, like Highlight and if she won, for sure
it's Sabrina because I really got to like give my
vision of what I've you know, been wanting to do
for Sabrina the teenage watching comics for a while. But yeah,
(21:35):
I I also had a lot of fun like writing
top Hat the original villain to the crossover, just having
something that ends up having connection and not just Sabrina
but Frankie and her origin was just so thrilling and
also what that doesn't write that kind of just felt
(21:57):
really exorating. But Barfly are a thing an issue too,
and that writing that is definitely one of the big highlights.
You know, Barfly just it is so fun a character
that speaks and just you know, sequential art. You know,
you're the panels, the movements, the mannerisms, the fun automatipoa.
(22:20):
Like Barfly is just such a blast. Who for a
character called Shiit Eater that's his legal Christian name, he
just works as an archie character in a way it
makes sense he works.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, Yeah, there's like we really up the anti like
for this book, like in the sense of like it
being a comic book, comic book like like I and
you know, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Just trying to again, you know, just compliment Scott Coobash
to death here, but like I really feel like this
is just like a sequential art enthusiasts like ideal book
with the way it's drawn. But like I take this
book sometimes with like the thought of not just is
it that, but this is just kind of like a
love letter to comic book, like comic books in general,
like beyond Archie, beyond my threats, Like in the same
(23:14):
where we homage Spider Man No More, but it's bar
Fly shit Eater, And it's just being able to write
that and see that come to life. It's just the coolest,
Like what like bar five doing Spider Man No More?
It's just it's sick as hell. I love it.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Yeah, And as far as the thing that I was
thinking about, the reason I kind of got a little
tripped up is about the favorite characters, because I've been
doing these deep dives on pretty much everybody, because everybody
gets a moment to shine. Like the great thing about
it is that there there is a there are a
whole bunch of really great Betty stuff in there. There's
(23:50):
a whole bunch of really great Veronica stuff. There's a
whole bunch of really great Reggie and Juughhead and the
Josie and the pussy Cats and and uh and Sabrina.
Like we really spend a lot of time just trying
to make sure that everybody gets their moment, their little
character arc, their little their their little bits in there,
(24:13):
like and uh, even the third issue, like I've been doing,
I've been really surprised at Mary the multi Monster is
like my favorite character. Yeah, she's awesome, and uh so
is a crab BLUI So like, uh yeah, it's just
it's really it's really cool. I I just really enjoyed
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like every single character that's in this and then like
making sure that they have their moment to shine and
making sure that everybody kind of gets like where they
are and what's happening to them. There's a great panel
and an issue one that I was super happy about
nailing because it's a it's a it's essentially like a
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panel where we establish where Archie's at in the at
the beginning of all this, and uh, I think the
dialogue correct me if I'm wrong, Tommy. The dialogue is
like what does he say? It's like when did when
did do when did being good become out of fashion?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, it's like yeah, but yeah, but it was like
more it was like when did it become out of fashion?
Because a lot of people think about Archie as something
that's from a bygone age, you know what I mean?
And I thought that the most important thing is to
sort of establish him as having a bit of a
crisis in this moment where like everybody, it seems in
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the world is more than willing to be a little villainous,
you know, with their time, do you know what I mean?
Like if you if like it just seems like this
is the time period right now. It's like everybody's out
for themselves in politics and in music and in art,
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and it really just feels like a moment where Archie's saying,
what is going on? Like, you know, like it there's
a value to being a good person and how do
I fit into this world where everybody's on the make?
You know, like the President's on the make. Everybody's on
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the make, like they're out to get everything that they
possibly can at the moment, and Ritt and Archie has
to sit there and say what do I want to do?
And when he does break bad, you know, there's a
great resolution for it. So like it's just important that
that panel for me, like meant a lot. Like it
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was a good way to like contrast you know, just
where they were, all the characters, where they're going, and
where we are as a as a community and as
a as a country right now. So anyway, it was
It's a lot to put on one panel, but it's
the kind of stuff that I think about all day.
Love you know, so.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's probably my favorite page in the first issue. Like
that was like a page that I definitely look at
as like just the brilliance of like how fun collaborating
with other creators can be. Because that's a page I
set up in scripting. Paton and Jordan teed it up
and just amplified it and tweaked it. And then like
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every page, like we get an email of Scott's work,
it turns out twenty times better than what we ever
thought it could look. Like like there's that and that
panel on that page. There's just so much going on
even behind Archie that amplifies it, like just the shadow
work and like the destruction of the Riverdale school bus,
like it just hits and it, like Scott said, it
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became something just way more meta and like out there
than just beyond Archie, you know, contemplating the things around him,
but just kind of like a commentary on just so
much more. And Yeah, I'm really proud of that page,
and I'm just I'm really thankful for like this whole
creative process for me because this was my first fourishy
mini series and like it was like there was a
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moment I realized, Wow, my first fourte mini series is
not just a cob book crossover, but it's a combook
crossover that has pretty like two big diverse cast of
characters on each side. Like there's a lot of Archie characters,
a lot of Mine Threats characters, Like we just mentioned
Marry the multi monster in crab Louis from the first
Minor Threats spin off The Alternates, which I really think
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is a criminally underrated book. I love that book so much,
and so writing those two characters has been a blast.
But yeah, I went into this, like you know, just
I went in this as a writer. I hadn't done
a fourish mini series before, and now I've come out
of it. It's not just a guy who's written one,
but I like to think I've become a way better
writer because I've had just the mentorship of Jordan Patten
and collaborating with a guy like Scott Here, and yeah,
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I'm just I'm really thinking for it all like this,
I almost don't want all this to end, if that
makes sense. Like it's just been such a kind of
a defining moment now in my comic book journey that like, yeah,
it's just this is a special book to me. And
I hope it's just even just a fragment of special
nests when people.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Now, you can definitely tell, like I said, when I
can't wait for readers to check this out tomorrow and
New Comic Book Day, because yeah, you can definitely tell
the excitement you're both having with this book, and it
just it's dreams of how much fun even though the
more serious tones are going down with it. So's that's
something you rarely find in comics these days.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
And now, Scott, you actually already touched on this a bit,
but with these books, especially Barfly, because that one I
really fell in love with, just like all this stuff
going on in the background, and it made me stop
and read every Minor Threats book and look all around
for all the Easter eggs and all the details as well.
So how much of that is scripted? And how much
do you get to add on your own? I know,
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like Timmy already praised you with how much you do
add and how much better it is. But were there
any specific things that you're like, oh, I'm going to
add this that wasn't discussed before.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It's funny like I'll sit there and I'll sit with
a script and then like I'll do my layouts basically,
and then when I get to the actual page, I'll
read the script again, and then I'll do some thinking
about it, like so like I'll set up the page
and then i'll sleep on it. In the next day.
If something else pops up, I'll go, oh, okay, maybe
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I can add this or move this around and make
this a little more clear, or take an extra beat
for something. And there was a moment where there's a
Ventriloquist puppet in here, because it wouldn't be it wouldn't
be a perfectly crazy book without a Ventriloquist puppet somewhere
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in there. And the Ventriloquist puppet. I had done a
whole bunch of research on Ventriloquist puppets, and the real
heyday for Ventriloquist puppets was like the nineteen twenties, and
it's a they're terrifying, they look horrible, and there's something
about those puppets. It's kind of like in the if
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you've ever seen a been on the Small World ride
in Disney, there's something underneath it that like makes it like,
I don't know if it's an uncanny valley thing or something.
There's something underneath it that makes it just a little
bit horrifying. And the more I thought about it, the
more I was like, oh, I'll I'll draw the ventriloquist
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puppet as a kind of horrifying really. And then the
more I thought about that was because it's it's a
puppet that's tied in with Frankie. I was like, well,
this is what Frankie's wrestling with, is this horrible part
of her own personality and this nice, nice spot that
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she's wound up in. And the more I did it,
the more I would like sit there and the just
these little things would happen. Like I drew a little
little scene with a Frankie like upside down, and I
had like a little bit of room in the bottom
of the panel that was just negative space that I
didn't want. I didn't like it, and so I just
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put like the puppet just like sort of crept in there,
do you know what I mean? And I just kind
of like threw it in and I was like, Oh,
that makes it way better because then it's like then
it's like the puppet is there judging her almost, you know,
like it's it's in there and it's not in the
script that the puppet is in that panel, and even
the panel I don't think is in the script. So
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I just like it's one of those things that like
it just it it started to come on, It started
to have a life of its own almost, you know
what I mean. Like I would be sitting there and
I'd be like, you know, i'd have this, like I said,
this little blank area and I was like, I'll draw
the puppet in there, and it made it like yeah,
and it made it so that like I think it
kind of I think it helps out these little things,
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but it's but it's also when I look back at
the script, I was like, yeah, the puppet's not supposed
to be great, like a happy thing, you know what
I mean. So like so like even where like I
subconsciously like absorbed, you know, the fact that the puppet
is not a great thing, but then kind of played
it up later and then it's sort of it sort
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of balances off of itself, do you know what I mean?
Like there's a whole bunch of things I can't wait
to set that puppet on fire. Is that puppet's going
to be set on fire at some point.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
So and you won't see who like you, like, who
sets the puppet on fire?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
You won't see it coming, No, you won't, Yeah, you'll
you'll have no yeah when you actually see it. Like
it's one of those things that's so natural in the script,
but it's it's one of those things where if we
told you that that was what was going to happen
in issue three at the beginning of issue one, you
would just be like, I don't know how you get there,
but it was. It was a perfect moment. I'm just like,
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I was like, this is great.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
So.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Well, and I love that with Frankie because is her superpowers,
you know, creating these weapon toys and like the trillquis
dummy as a toy, but they're also creepy as all hell. Yeah,
they really don't like a parallel to her superpowers because.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Their mouths, their mouths go way bigger than you normally
would think. And the fact that it's like the jaw
sort of like decouples, Like it's just really yeah, just locates,
you know what I mean. It really becomes like a
really interesting thing to play around with. Like even there's
something that happens with the Ventriloquist puppet after it's set
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on fire that that I'm like trying to figure out
how horrible I can go with it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Yeah, what's wild.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
What's Wild is like the Puppets that came from like
an idea I had for the fine final issue no Boilers,
but like it's worth itself backward out, like this awesome,
creepy thing that has like depth, Like like that's why
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I love working with Scott because like the puppet's not
in the panel, but now it is, and it has
so much more meaning. And it's this duality of like
Frankie's you know what, you know, being judged by the
puppet and it's Frankie's dark side personified, and it just
it works. But yeah, this comic's a great read for
people that want to see weird puppet stuff.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Yeah, if you're in the weird puppet stuff, this is
the comic book for you.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Issue Issue three just becomes so much
more bonkers, Like it's we we do something in the
story that's just we. We spend a lot of time
craft and the like issue three especially, we set up
a lot that's not been done before and an archie crossover.
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I mean, there's a lot in this crossover that hasn't
been done with Archie comics, but it's it's really world's collide,
and in a way that just, uh is just why
crossovers exist.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah, and it's also one of those things where like
when we did it, I was like, or you know,
when I would get this script, I would go, well,
of course, like and then I'm like, well, hasn't this
been done before? And then I'm like this hasn't been
done before, do you know what I mean? Like I
was like, I don't know that any of this stuff
in issue three especially has been done in any of
the Archie books at all, maybe a little bit of
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the horror kind of books. But but it works out great.
It works out so well that it's just you're kind
of like, oh, yeah, that's that's of course where it went.
But if, of course you're like, this didn't exist like
an hour ago, like.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
And like, I can make the joke to you that
Issue three has Watchmen references, and you're like, he's obviously joking.
There's no way an Archie comic crossover would involve Watchmen.
And I'm not joking. It's absolutely a thing. It's bonkers.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Yeah, I'm I'm debating whether or not. Oh, I guess
I can't put the pus in there. No, but but
when you read it, there's an implied frontal nudity. But
so there isn't actually any you know what I mean,
(37:15):
you won't you'll be spared. But but the Watchman reference
is definitely in there.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
What's the point if we can't touch the envelope exactly,
Maybe I'll draw it in the original art and then
just take it out.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
When I said yeah, we'll get we'll take the You know,
that's a really good segue, the fact that you know
we are trying to push the limits there, Timmy, You've
written Archie as a standalone and knowing how classic people are,
you know, what is it that keeps them around? And
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what is it that people should you know, kind of
maybe know about Archie before jumping into this book or
coming into any of.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Your other stuff that you're written. All right, we're gonna
get real cheesy. I want real quick, right hold on me. Yeah,
that's right. That was the voice I wanted. Thank you,
which great intro by the way. So yeah, so, like
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I was doing a digest with one of my coke Uh.
One of my collaborators, artist Bill Galvin, who was an
Archie regular, and one night we were doing a phone
call where we were workshopping future digest ideas, just classic
Riverdale stuff, and I ad like, he told me something
that has always stuck with me. That he said, the core,
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like Archie story, the core just Archie comics is Riverdale
is a town where you can always find a friend,
no matter who you are, no matter what you are,
and that friend is called Archie Andrews. And that just wholesome,
cheeseball line really stuck with me. And I even think
that even the DNA of this crossover, it's there because
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like that's the type of person Artie is. And now
he's been thrown into this world opposite Frankie Foles, and
now she's got all her stuff to work out, and
now she's got this guy in front of this teenage
kid that can be the friend that she needs. But
she's so messed up with everything she's dealing with from
the defensive volume one, her childhood trauma that she's kind
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of like incapable of it, and that kind of feeds
off and bounces off art She that like, now he's
also seeing hurt like world of just not wholesome, not pure,
not innocence, and he's becoming like her and it's like
this weird, like reverse mirror thing, and it's just so
much fun to write.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, because Frankie is grinding through people, like throughout the
first the first and second Trades, Like Frankie is grinding
through relationships and in just a horrible way. And it's
a great it's a great contrast with the stuff that, like,
like Timmy said about you know, Archie being there for you,
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Like Frankie is not necessarily there for you, you know, she's.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
There for herself most of the times. Yeah, And you
know it was It was a fellow retailer, my friend
Shannon Live of That City Comics, who is just a
certified Archie fanatic, and I was talking about the crossover
with her and she had this great point where she
was like, Wow, it's kind of really cool that you
have Frankie Foli's playtime like with Archie, because there are
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two characters that are both terrible at relationships. And I
was like, yes they are.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Yeah, yeah, two wrongs are going to make her right?
Is that what you're implying here?
Speaker 6 (40:42):
Maybe we'll see, we'll see that issue.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
For I was going to say we were going all
wholesome and then we were grinding through people in blue packages.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I don't know, and that's kind of and that's kind
of the crossover and not really.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, Rickle, I love it. Uh so with everything going
And I said this when I first saw this book. Obviously,
Archie has crossed over with so many things and it's
been great. So I really feel like, you know you've
made it once you crossed over with Archie. So Mynor
Threats obviously we're all fans doing good enough that we
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are getting the lord's work of it being with Archie. Now,
with that being said, since Mynor Threats is taking off
and being so great, if there's another opportunity for a crossover,
what and you were and you both you can do
it separately, do it together. You both got to pick
what the crossover was. And mind you, the world is
your oyster. Whatever you want to pick. Licensing is not
an issue obviously, because we're fantasy booking here. What would
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you pick? What franchise would you cross it over with?
Speaker 8 (41:49):
Next? Well, Timmy, you don't want to spoil things, do you?
Speaker 6 (41:58):
The air I'm I'm a big believer and the acronym
abs always be scheming. So there's there's you know, whether
it's an archie crossover, minor threats crossover, definitely, you know,
I would like to say, I will I will be
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dubbing myself the crossover kid.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
There will be more to come, but for minor threats crossovers,
you know, waving a wand and it being magically possible,
the first one that comes to mind, which I know
Paton and Jordan would absolutely kill it at and I
would just love to, you know, just dive into this
world as well. I'd love to see uh Frankie and
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the Gang uh of Twilight City crossover with the Rogues
Gallery of the Flash, you know, just you know, Rogues
versus you know, just Playtime and Scalpel and you know,
even throw in some of the alternate characters. And of
course bar Why, like I think that would be my
go to or just kind of like Barfly ship Eater
(43:05):
just like like Adventures with the DC Universe or you know,
Marvel really but you know, it's just yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I could see a suicide squad, suicide squad kind of thing.
They're pretty similar.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Weasel, Yeah, yeah, I was thinking more like Blues Brothers.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Oh, oh my god. Yeah, Blues Brothers, just the property
Blues Brothers, because they're coming back. They're going to have
like a new movie or something like that, I think, right,
I hope I'm not letting that one out of the back.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
But it's in progress.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
I'm sure it is. They're bringing everything back.
Speaker 8 (43:47):
Yeah, they're bringing everything back. Yeah, Blues Brothers and uh
and minor Threats would be pretty cool, to be honest,
that'd be pretty neat. But yeah, anything really like I
wouldn't mind seeing me the pooh and the minor threats,
to be honest.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
Yeah, poo Bear is too innocent, but yeah, I know, Tigger.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Having Tigger Tigger like in the mix, that would be great.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Go for Barfly.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
I feel like Tigger would accidentally save somebody by just
being like hyperactive and accidentally taking down a C class villain.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
And exactly absolute and the whole the whole joke of
the Poo's honey being secretly like a new drug in
Twilight City. You know, that's just too easy.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Just chills you out.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
The Heisenberg hat. I can't wait to see what Piglets.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Like is are. We are on this show at a swear, yes, obviously.
Also the line of bitch, better have my honey can
also be.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Ye too easy, no, not precious. Okay. So so one
of the things I thought that was interesting about this
comic run is Frankie's very dark, but she's dark in
every comic run, but there's always turmoil going on in
her head. Yeah, like you know, she's pulled both sides.
She's obviously wants her daughter, loves her daughter, and like
you mentioned before, it's kind of like, you know, she's
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between Scalpel and her ex, like you see that back
and forth. But in this I feel like she really
was just full on dark side. We didn't see any light.
Was that intentional to showcase the innocence of Archie or
is that just how this specific story is going.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, it's it's definitely intentional. And I also really love
how when you describe like Frankie with her ex husband
and Scalpel, you're also kind of really describing Archie in
a way with Betting Bronica, Like there's that similarity between
the two characters there as well, and like the in
the DNA, but yeah, like having the book take place
right after volume one she's full of that emotion. She's
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you know, it's that raw energy dealing with it all,
and we really you know, play on the whole like
childhood trauma of that connecting to her hatred of and
that really seeping through that. Every time she sees a magician,
a magical creature, you know, character super Villain and Twilight
City or Red Port, she wants to kill them and
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that right there, you know, just versus the wholesomeness of
Archie coming into town. It's just such a blast to write.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
You know, if I can follow up on saying that,
you know, everything is coming out of volume one, is
this going to affect minor threats going forward?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I cannot speak on Jordan Patten's behalf, but they have
said there will be ramifications of you know, for Frankie
and future volumes from this. Well, if I was a yeah,
if I was a betting man, I would say definitely
stuff with you know, this top Hat character and her
origin there, and you know, maybe top Hat has some
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connections to her mother and you know Frankie and volume two,
as you know, deals with you know, the death of
her mother, So that's that's something there. And yeah, this
this character goes through it. You know, Frankie Folli's playtime.
It's just NonStop, and you know when she has those
moments of happiness, those you know, that sliver of innocence,
it comes in, you know, very short doses. You know,
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when it comes to, you know, being happy with Scalpel
and you know, or being happy with her daughter, like
it's very few and far between, and seeing somebody like
Archie who has it all the time is definitely an
eye opening thing for her. And also it's really funny
in contrast that, like here Archie has this perfect, you know,
Americana innocent teenage life and he's down in the dumps
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because Betty and Veronica are giving Reggie more attention and
it's the end of his world. Like he's contemplating wanted
being the good guy, you know, go out of style. Mean,
while here's Frankie, like you know, just going through, oh
just murdered a superhero, a super villain, just try to
murder her, which they had to murder and self defense.
Like it's just really funny the contrasting of you know,
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problems in their lives.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
No, that's incredible, And like I say, this whole series
is gonna be one everybody's gonna be really talking about
for you know, a legendary crossover. Yes, And the last
question we had lined up is, this is such an
unlikely crossover, but what is your personal favorite crossover all
time as a fan for both of you Chat super Chat,
you can definitely throw your picks in, but we're gonna
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definitely ask the panel as well.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Yeah, I take writing comic books so serious it's kind
of silly. Like when I first started writing for Archie,
I wrote, I wrote you know a ya horror story,
and my research for that was rereading every Archie horror,
diving into Archie like from the nineteen forties or these
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like archive collected edition books. Like I love giving myself
comic book homework of just seeing these characters and all
its history. And so when it was time to do
a crossover, and that was you know, on the agenda
for writing, I gave myself the fun homework of reading
as many common book crossovers as possible, like we're talking
Marvel DC famous ones, the Obscure Forgotten, you know, Marvel
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DC crossovers, random indie publisher crossovers, like I digested all
of them happily, and gosh to pick it, to pick
a favorite, like rough like what like what a you know?
But like, if I absolutely had to pick one, the
first one that comes to mind, and maybe it's just
just so much about my personality is Lobo of the
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Duck the Amalgam one shot of just low.
Speaker 8 (49:38):
Is why, Like.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
That's the first one that comes to mind. It's just
so ridiculous. Yeah, it's such a who I mean, all
those Amalgam books are just so great and so fun.
But that's probably the first one that comes to mind.
And then maybe close, close, close second, and we got
to make it an archie archie versus predator of rules
like that. That book was a big inspiration for writing
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this in terms of the contrast of like the Horror
Action meets you know, the Innocence of art Sheet and Riverdale.
But yeah, I if you name a crossover, chances are
in the last year I read it, I just calmed
a crossovers. Call me the crossover kid, please.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
Yeah, for me, it's sort of a toss up between
like George Perez is Avengers and j LA and the
Teen Titans and X Men crossover I read. I read
The Teen Titans and X Men a cross everyone. I
was a kid, and I just I read that thing
a million times and then the the j LA Avengers one,
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they reprinted it recently, so I got to reread it
again and just that impulse to sort of draw everyone
and everything like that George had, Like I've really been
kind of focused on that the past couple of years,
so like like being able to draw the Archie characters
and being able to draw all the minor Threats characters
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and the the alternate characters and the Barfly and all
that stuff. Like it's really fun to be able to
go like, all right, I've got more boxes that I've
checked off, you know, like because I remember George saying
like he just he had that in his head. He
was this this this che checklist that he still had
and has head about what he wanted to draw, you know,
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before he went away. So yeah, So.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
Lauren, so my last question. We actually touched on this
a little bit, and I almost.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I had your pick now your pick for crossover.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Oh for.
Speaker 7 (51:44):
Yeah, I was gonna ask about more Easter Okay, so
I don't even want to ask that because we already
mentioned a bunch of future cameos. If you're a crossover.
So I don't know that I've read too many crossovers.
I mean, any Predator Verse whoever written by Ben Percy's amazing.
But because we're doing Archie, I recently read The Jay
and Silent Bob one with Archie.
Speaker 8 (52:03):
Which oh fun, Yeah it was.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
It was just fun and absolutely silly because you think
Archie's out of place in like Redport. No, He's insanely
out of place at Quick Stop. So you know that's
fresh in my memory. So I'm just gonna go with
that and stay on theme.
Speaker 6 (52:22):
Good, I keep I keep calling it a Archie crossover Summer, like,
it was really cool that that book came out, and
you know, the month before it for us, you know
it was it was a cool t off.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Absolutely yeah, Uh, mine are gonna be I mean, obviously
everybody knows, like two of my favorite franchises have already
crossed over together, Ninja Turtles, Empower Rangers. We're talking the
first one, Sorry, Ryan, you know I'm gonna bag you
on the second he knows, he knows exactly why. And
then the second one is uh, and this is gonna
(52:53):
be more obscurit its video game crossover. It's a mega
man street Fighter. Wow wasn't made actually as a physical
cartridge game. It was an online only from Capcom.
Speaker 7 (53:05):
Okay, I thought we were just talking comics, so I
definitely would have said Scooby Natural with Supernatural and Scooby Doo.
I'd like to change my answer.
Speaker 8 (53:12):
You're allowed.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Tom likes to play fast and the world.
Speaker 8 (53:17):
I should have known, I should have.
Speaker 6 (53:20):
My next my next comic. My next comic release is
A is A is a crossover, and it is one
with the video game property. So I'll tease that's a
good tease.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I will stay in comic books, I was. I also
like a lot of the crossovers, but uh Near and
Dear to My Heart was two of my favorites of
my lifetime favorites about child too now and it was
the Batman TM and T crossover just because I just
never thought I was going to see two of the
things that made my childhood come together.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
So it's always a bright side, very good one great.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean me, I agree with Scott is Jla Avengers,
like I say, that's that is like the benchmark. I
also have a soft spot for like DEATHMTE with Image
and Valiant just because of you know, like I said,
even though it was it was messy as all could be,
but still like it's just that in that time period,
image and value, we're you know, rocking and rolling, So
(54:13):
that always stands out in Marvel VUS DC, except for
two fan voted egregious errors they made. Sorry, Lauren, but
there's no chance Wolverine beats Lobo and Captain America definitely
definitely beat Batman. I will not hear otherwise.
Speaker 7 (54:29):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't care how much prep time he's got. No,
he's not being capped.
Speaker 8 (54:32):
No, this is.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
This will be for another time. Your your overrar here, Lauren,
you have one more question to close us out.
Speaker 7 (54:42):
No, I just my last question was, really, can we
expect any cameos from other characters? But you've already said
a bunch, and honestly, I'm I'm big on on no spoilers,
so I'm going to be happy with the people you've
already mentioned. And I do want to say, anybody who
is not familiar with this universe and feels overwhelmed, it
doesn't matter. This common catches you have right away, but
you will fall in love so quick that you'll want
(55:02):
to go back and read everything. But you guys, you
literally mentioned my three favorite characters, which is shitt Eater, Crab, Louis,
and Marie the multi Monsters. So and her dating life
is hilariously sad. And yeah, all the alternates is slept on.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
I would say, of.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
All the runs, alternates are slept on. So so don't
answer my last question.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
No fair enough, But I would say, gentlemen, tomorrow, you
guys have a big hit on your hands, and we
can't stress enough you're a nerd initiative. Archie versus Minor
Threats might not be the crossover you're expecting, but it's
the one that you cannot afford to miss on New
Comic Book Day. It has got so many elements that
remind you of why you love comics. The imagination is there,
the story is great, the art is going to blow
(55:44):
you away. In fact, Rich, I was going to say,
you might show on the covers for this because the
cover work, especially Scott's, is in the middle there too,
and how detailed and layered that is with the cameos, like,
that's the one I'm going to be searching out for tomorrow.
But all of these definitely need to be in your
poll list, and you need to go make sure you
get this series, because this is gonna be something that
(56:04):
is truly a comic event that you don't want to
be saying you missed. And gentlemen, we can't thank you
enough for coming on the show. After the series is
wrapped up, we definitely as and recap.
Speaker 8 (56:14):
Thank yeah, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
No, absolutely, And if you were looking for more comic reviews,
nerd initiaip has you covered starting at nine am Eastern
Standard time, and even a little spoiler, the review for
Archie Versus Minor Threats by Lauren will be out at
nine oh five Eastern centertime internship dot com, so you
want to make sure you check that out and then
at noon it goes to the videos on YouTube. So nobody,
i mean nobody is doing New Comic Book Day like
Nerd Initiative. So once again, thank you to Timmy and
(56:40):
Scott for coming through on the show and on behalf
of a rich Tom and Lauren for coming through. We
just want to say thank you for checking out another
edition to turn a page, and we'll end like we
always do. When you're at the comic shop and you
have a great issue in your hands, such as Archie
Versus minor threats by dark Horse and Archie. And you
see somebody struggling to find something, grabbing them copy, hand
it off to him them turn a page.
Speaker 8 (56:58):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
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