September 18, 2025 • 55 mins
Discover how a deck of 78 cards holds the key to deeper self-awareness with this week's guest, Tarot Lori Dyan. She says the cards are not about fortune-telling; they are a mirror reflecting your inner wisdom back to you.
Returning to the House of JerMar podcast, Lori brings her signature blend of grounded wisdom and playful insight as she unpacks the true power of tarot. "I always say a tarot reading, at least with me, is a conversation with your soul," she explains. "I'm the interpreter, but you can have this conversation yourself." This refreshing perspective strips away the mystical intimidation that often surrounds tarot practice.
Lori's journey from communications director to full-time tarot reader wasn't immediate – it evolved over 35 years, beginning with lessons from a witch named Erica in Calgary, Alberta. The transformation accelerated after 50, when Lori finally decided to "plant her freak flag and let it fly." This courage led to a two-book deal with HarperCollins, with her latest release, "Big Deck Energy," demystifying tarot for modern readers.
Beyond dispelling myths about "scary" cards like Death and the Devil (which actually represent transformation and limiting beliefs), Lori dives deep into tarot ethics. She explains why questions should focus inward rather than prying into others' energies, and why everyone has the intuitive ability to interpret cards for themselves. Her practice has expanded beyond individual readings to corporate events, women's retreats, and even strategic planning sessions with businesses.
The episode culminates with Lori pulling the Star card for listeners – revealing it as one of the luckiest in the deck while offering profound wisdom about destiny, free will, and walking your own path. As she reminds us, "The magic is in you" – tarot simply helps us access what we already know deep within.
Ready to start your own conversation with your soul? Grab Lori's book Big Deck Energy, follow her on Instagram @TarotLori, or simply pull a card and see what messages find you when you need them most.
More about Lori Dyan:
Lori Dyan is a 2X HarperCollins bestselling author, tarot expert, and ritual guide with 35+ years of experience inspiring audiences worldwide. Known for her signature blend of humor and insight, Lori has been featured in Vogue and at luxury events from Beverly Hills to Bali.
Whether she’s captivating leaders at Google and Chanel or leading transformational retreats at Canyon Ranch, Lori creates unforgettable experiences that help guests release what no longer serves them—and step boldly into what’s next.
Her bestselling debut, Burn Your Sh*t, cracked open the power of ritual. Her latest bestseller, Big Deck Energy, launched into the self-help top 10 alongside Mel Robbins and Glennon Doyle, bringing tarot into the mainstream.
Mentored by a crystal-ball-gazing witch and deeply connected to her Indigenous lineage, Lori’s work weaves ancient wisdom with modern clarity to create uniquely empowering experiences.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I always say a tarot reading, at least with me.
I call it a conversation withyour soul, you know, and I'm the
interpreter, but you can havethis conversation yourself with
your own deck or just with thebook.
A lot of people just flipthrough the book and what do I
need to know today?
Doink and they choose a pageand there's the reading.
So you don't even really needthe cards.
But it's why, you know, thesemessages are so specifically
(00:22):
random and randomly specific andthat's why I say a card of the
day.
I'm thinking it means somethingvery specific to me.
You see me do it and you'relike oh my god, this message is
just for me, this is crazy.
And then, three months from now, someone somehow gets that
Instagram post coming up intheir feed and sees it three
months later and they're like,wow, this is exactly what I need
(00:43):
to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's why I'm very I never say the date in the card
of the day because it finds youwhen you need it.
Welcome to the House of Germarpodcast, where wellness starts
within.
The House of Germar is alifestyle brand, empowering
women to live all in throughinterior design and personal
(01:04):
wellness.
We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
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We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
million women to live all in.
I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
And I invite you to becomeinspired by this week's guest.
(01:28):
Welcome everybody.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have one of my
favorite guests who's returningto the show Tarot Lori.
I am so excited to have youback on the show.
And, guys, we are going to talkall things tarot rituals,
retreats, numerology.
There's so much.
She written her second book.
For those of you who can see,here we go Big Deck Energy.
So, terrell Lori, thank you forcoming on the show.
(01:50):
I'm so excited to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Jean, I'm so happy to be back.
I love just hanging out withyou.
Your energy is delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And so is yours.
I feel like a little kid thismorning.
I was like, yay, it's TerrellLori Day.
I just like you know you're allthings woo, but you're so cool,
you're so grounded.
I have so much respect for youas a female entrepreneur and so
I just love spending time withyou and I follow you on
Instagram and I do your ritualsand I do your full moon rituals.
We'll get into all that andyour book.
(02:18):
For those of you who have notseen Laurie's original podcast
episode where we talk about herfirst book Burn your Shit.
You didn't start out as TarotLori, so tell everybody how did
you get into tarot cards andhaving this be your career and
your mission and your purposeand everything that you are?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Right, no problem.
I think it's really interestingbecause I've always been
fascinated by the metaphysicaland you know UFOs and witchcraft
and psychics and mediums andall of that stuff.
Growing up in the late 80sthere was no real internet that
you could be Googling anythingabout.
There was no Google, and soeveryone in Calgary, alberta,
(02:58):
where I grew up up in Canada,saw this psychic named Erica who
was a witch like a legit witch,saw this psychic named Erica
who was a witch like a legitwitch and she had the crystal
ball and the red velvetwallpaper and 15 brooms and tea
leaves, all the things.
And I just loved her.
And I remember the first time Isaw her and she pulled out this
big deck of old tarot cards andI was immediately like, what
(03:19):
are those?
Tell me everything.
Oh, my God, I'm obsessed.
And so I just started readingcards and she ended up mentoring
me.
I wrote about her in a paperthat I wrote in university
women's studies class about thehistory of witchcraft and she
was one of my interviewparticipants and so I got to
really know her and she becamemy mentor.
And then I mean the deck that Iuse is my original deck.
(03:41):
I've had it for 35 years nowand every reading I've ever done
is in this deck, starting fromday one with Erica practicing,
and it's just something I couldnever put down.
I have a communications degree.
I was working.
I was a director ofcommunications for a major
telecom company.
I did a lot of like stuff but Idid not.
I was not great at it.
I would take my clients forreadings when we had lunch and
(04:03):
that's sort of what kept me inthe game that you know, on that
level.
And then I, years ago, decidedto just go all in.
At that point I was doing more,you know, freelance copywriting
and I had kids at that point,so I wasn't in the high, high
level, but still incommunications, and I finally
just decided to plant my freakflag and let it fly and I am a
tarot reader and that's whenthings really took off.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It was pretty cool, it is so cool and your story you
talk about in your book, inboth of your books.
So when did you decide youwanted to become an author?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, again, because I write for a living and I'm
confident in myself as a writer,the book thing was very
serendipitous, very guided in away that I don't realize until I
look back on it, because I, youknow, I had this little Zoom
recorded very, very low tech howto do tarot workshop that I had
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created, and I wanted to havesome sort of PDF document to go
along with it.
So I just started writing outmy interpretation of the cards,
which, do you know, yourinterpretation with your cards
evolves as you do.
You get this dialoguedeveloping with your deck over
time, and so my interpretationsin many ways can be quite
different or go more in depth orkind of in a different
(05:15):
direction than the Tarot 101, asI refer to it.
So I started putting thisdocument together and then I
started thinking, well, I'mgoing to put a story to each
card, to sort of show that cardin action, to sort of show how
it can apply in everyday life.
And then it expanded andexpanded and I had all these
friends who were doingself-publishing and I was
thinking, well, I mean, I writefor a living, like, why don't I
(05:37):
try self-publish?
Maybe I could get you know alittle indie publisher to print
this for me and I don't have topay too much.
And I started thinking, well,what if I?
What if they paid me?
Like, what if I could make acouple of bucks on this?
That'd be kind of cool.
And then I started thinking,well, what about, like, if I had
an agent who then shopped itaround to publishers for, like,
a publishing deal?
(05:57):
And then I started thinking,why not like a big five
publisher, like, why not me?
You know?
And that's sort of howmanifesting works is you have
these goals, you take stepstowards it and then just see how
things turn out.
And it turned out that I had ameeting with my agent, with
HarperCollins, and they said,you know, tarot's kind of been
done to death, but we reallylike this ritual.
You do this burn your shit fullmoon fire ritual you do on
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Instagram live every month.
Could you write a book aboutrituals?
And my agent, being amazing,said, said, yeah, she'll write
your book about rituals, but youalso have to print the tarot
book.
So that's how I got a two bookdeal.
The ritual book came out first.
That came out last year.
The tarot book just came out acouple of months ago and I
actually had to rewrite abouttwo thirds of it because it
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needed to match the tone andbecause you know it had been
years since I'd originallywritten it.
It needed to be zhuzhed up abit, but that's how I became an
author and deliver it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know you got to meet people halfway right, you
got to meet the universe halfway.
And you in your stories in yourbook you really talk about like
how you had to really step intoyou being this person, you
being Tarot Lori, tarot cardsand being an author and being a
speaker and doing retreats, likeyou had to really step in and
get outside your comfort zone inorder to become who we all see
(07:25):
now.
How scary was stepping intothat new, unknown universe where
, also at the time, when youstep into something like that,
like you didn't know, oh, I'mgoing to be doing retreats at
Canyon Ranch and I'm going to betraveling around the country
you don't know.
So how scary was that to stepinto that whole new you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, it's funny because what really initiated a
real spark?
Or people are talking, lizGilbert, and they'd be talking
about things in a beautiful waythat is unique to them.
But I would be thinking tomyself, well, that's the high
priestess, well that's the tower, well, that's the wheel of
fortune.
And I got really annoyedthinking nobody realizes that
these 78 cars has all of theselessons within them, at least
(08:25):
the way that it's developed withme over time.
So that got me sort of thegumption, you know, the chutzpah
, to get out there and say likeI want I have something to say
about this.
You know, and I think it'ssomething that comes with
turning 50, because everythinghappened really started to take
off when I turned 50.
I'm 55 now, where you know youturn 40 and you start not caring
(08:53):
as much what people think, andthen by the time you turn 50,
it's like I'm not even going toask to see if you care, like I
really don't care what y'allthink, you know.
And so that was a real turningpoint for me to be able to just
say I'm just going to do me, I'mjust going to do this stuff.
I have something to say.
I know how profound andpowerful these tools are,
whether it's rituals or tarotcards.
(09:15):
They're not magic but they canbe very magical and I want it in
the hands of as many people aspossible.
So I'm really lucky that mycareer is my calling, like it
really is my mission.
I'm sweaty just talking about it.
I get my daughter calls it thetarot sweats when I get like in
the zone talking about it.
But yeah, it's very much mymission to tell as many people.
(09:39):
People will ask me.
But you're sort of sharing allyour secrets in the tarot book,
like you're giving it all away.
Why would people even want areading?
But you know you get a readingwith me.
It's going to be unlike anyreading you've ever had with
anyone before, same with anyother tarot reader.
Like I'm confident enough inmyself to not feel like I have
to hide.
You know what I know about it.
(10:00):
I just want everyone and let itmeet you where you're at and do
what it can for you.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I just want everyone and let it meet you where you're
at and do what it can for you.
Yes, well, and you do a greatjob of explaining in this book
in particular and you explainthis when you talk online too
it's like take what resonatesand get rid of the rest, because
your message to someone one daywith one card, it might hit me
very differently than it's goingto hit you.
Or you might pull a card todayand pull that same card a month
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from now and your message youmight say the same thing with
the same really funny storyabout the card and what it means
, but it might hit medifferently a month from now.
So the beautiful thing abouttarot and tarot readings is that
it's an evolution as people aregrowing and evolving and it's
not like a one and done thing,like yeah, okay, you're a Leo,
all right, great, yeah, I'm aLeo, yeah, that's not changing.
(10:48):
But tarot is evolving based onwhat's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, I always say a tarot reading, at least with me.
I call it a conversation withyour soul, you know, and I'm the
interpreter, but you can havethis conversation yourself with
your own deck or just with thebook.
A lot of people just flipthrough the book and what do I
need to know today?
Doink and they choose a pageand there's the reading.
So you don't even really needthe cards.
But it's why, you know, thesemessages are so specifically
(11:14):
random and randomly specific andthat's why I say a card of the
day.
I'm thinking it means somethingvery specific to me.
You see me do it and you'relike, oh my God, this message is
just for me.
This is crazy.
And then, three months from now, someone somehow gets that
Instagram post coming up intheir feed and sees it three
months later and they're like,wow, this is exactly what I need
(11:35):
to hear.
That's why I'm very.
I never say the date in thecard of the day.
Yes, because it finds you whenyou need it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You do which is true, and sometimes I see your stuff
and I follow.
You know you're one of my likestarred people, so I see your
content, but sometimes, you know, I'm not always on Instagram
and so sometimes it'll be acouple days later and I'll go
and I'll look and I'll be like,oh well, that was a couple days
ago, but that's hitting today,like that's hitting, yeah, wild,
(12:06):
it's so wild.
Okay, so, before we get intothe book of which I have so many
questions and everybody, I readthis entire book, every word of
the entire book, more than onceand I learned so much, and so I
can't wait to dig into the book.
But before we do, I am justpersonally curious what is the
most interesting thing you havelearned about yourself in this
journey?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I learned that I know more than I thought I did.
You know, when I had to put itdown on paper, and when I had to
, because the original draft was, you know 80% what the cards
meant, the interpretation, andthen I had a little bit about
the history, a little bit abouthow to do a spread, how to ask a
question.
You know, I didn't haveanything about the ethics of
(12:41):
tarot at that point.
And when I had to write thisbook and they said, no, that
needs to be flipped Like, 20% isthe interpretations, but the
rest has to be all this otherstuff, and I thought, oh God,
how am I going to?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And then when I started actually writing, I was
like, oh, I actually know a lotabout this and I did.
Do you know research on thehistory?
To really I had.
Do you know research on thehistory to?
Really I had to you know,verify sources and stuff.
With HarperCollins they don'tmess around like you need to.
You can't say somethinghappened without citing some
sources, of course.
And that was really really coolto just realize the depth and
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breadth of not even what I knowabout tarot, but just the
confidence that I have in myability to connect with these
cards and the confidence in thecards to tell me what I need to
know when I ask it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, Do you think of the cards like almost like
little people, because they allhave a story and they all have a
personality and a character.
So do they almost become likecharacters in a movie to you?
Oh jeez, did you watch Schitt'sCreek?
You know what?
I did watch some of it.
I didn't watch all of it, but Iwatched part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes, so Catherine O'Hara in Schitt's Creek.
Her name's Moira Rose.
She has this relationship withall her wigs, where they all
have a name.
Amanda and Stephanie don't likeeach other.
That is what I'm like with mycards.
I say it all the time.
I am Moira Rose of tarot, likeit's so funny, because I'll be
like, oh, they do not like thesecards, or oh, we're getting
trolled.
Or I'll always say, oh, it'slike tarot saying this.
(14:11):
Sometimes it's the card, butit's more often just like as an
entity, the deck.
I always say in a reading, evena one card reading has a
personality or a tone or a vibe,and sometimes it's really
ethereal and metaphors andsometimes it's really bossy or
prescriptive, sometimes it'sconsoling and sometimes it's
like babe, did we stutter?
(14:33):
Like get your shit together.
You know like it's.
There's always like a vibe.
So in that way, 100% there's apersonality to these cards.
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It feels like it as you're reading the book.
And when I had you on the showbefore and you were talking
about this book, I was like, ohyay, I'm so excited for a book
that's going to tell me allabout the individual cards.
And you told me, well, it'sactually flipped.
And I was like how much is shereally going to say Like, isn't
it all just?
about what each card means.
But it turns out, as I wasreading it, it was so insightful
(15:06):
and I think I mean I learned somuch and we'll get into my
questions in a second.
I learned so much but I foundit so insightful to understand
where these cards came from.
Because then when I pull a card, now my understanding of that
card and you always talk aboutlike, look at the card first
before you run to the book, andlook at the card and see what
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the story is trying to tell you,because it's different for
everybody.
Like your personalinterpretation of the card and
you always used to say that yousay it on Instagram too and I
always kind of was like I don'teven understand this.
Like what are these circleswith these star things going
through it and everything kindof looks grim on a lot of the
cards going through it andeverything kind of looks grim on
a lot of the cards.
Yes, but it was really helpfulto understand the story of the
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card before I got to the card.
So anyone who's watching orlistening to this, you really
need to read the book.
It will make the cardsthemselves have so much more
meaning to you if you read thebook.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh, I love that, thank you.
Yes, all right, so there are 78cards?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
First fact I didn't know.
I had no idea there were 78cards.
I actually had no idea thatthere were major and minor.
What do you call them?
Arcana, arcana, arcana.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's how you pronounce it.
It comes from, I think it's theLatin word arcane, like secrets
or unknown things.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, Can you explain the difference?
Do people have no idea Like Istarted having no idea what the
difference is between major andminor arcana.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah for sure.
And also the difference between, I think, oracle cards versus
tarot cards, because oraclecards can be 78 or 12 or 102.
It's up to the creator, andthey usually have a message
written right on the card andit's a lovely prompt or a
meditation point and that'sgreat.
And then tarot is more of asystem and within this system
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it's not considered a tarot deckif it doesn't meet certain
criteria in terms of 78 cards, amajor arcana and a minor arcana
.
The major arcana is the cardsthat have the word at the bottom
, like the sun, the devil, death, judgment, the world there, and
they tend to be big, reallylike life journey cards, major
messages, in theory okay,whereas the minor arcana is
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split into four suits, like aregular deck of cards, but
instead of hearts you have cups,instead of spades you have
swords, and so you have thesefour suits and they start at ace
and they go up and they have aking and a queen and a page
which is kind of like a jack,and then they have an extra guy,
a knight, or actually theknight is like a jack.
Anyway, you don't need to knowthat, but each of these suits
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wands, cups, swords, coins has adifferent sort of vibe to it.
One tends to be more aboutmoney, one more about emotions,
one more about, you know, newbeginnings or careers, and they
tend to be more in theory about,like, the day-to-day of life.
Now, this is where I diverge offof the sort of tarot 101 of it
all.
I think there are a few majorarcana cards that are total
(18:04):
snooze.
They can be about fun things,but they're not telling me much.
And there are a lot, a lot, alot of minor arcana cards that
are massively profound andimpactful messages and often,
especially for me, with the coincards, the pentacles, the money
cards, it has nothing to dowith money.
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I always say this could be aboutwealth, health, career, love,
home, family, many.
You know one or many areas oflife and I give you this.
You know, when we have areading of any kind, it's like
together we draw a map and I'mhelping you read it and then
what you do with it, as we saidearlier, is up to you.
I can't give you a prophecysaying, oh, this card means
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you're going to be anophthalmologist, you know it's
more okay.
This card says you got to getyour head out of your butt
because you're focusing on thewrong things, or you know
messages that you're meant tothen take away and apply to your
life, and so for me, whetherit's major or minor arcana, they
can be massive messages orlittle kind of like nothing
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burgers.
Either way.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, so give me an example of a major, minor,
arcana card that could have alot of meaning?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh for sure, the Ace of Swords for me is the most
powerful card of the entire deck, and it is a call to arms.
The cards will usually say youknow, here's a lesson, here's
something to look at.
And for me the Ace of Swords issaying like girl, we're done
screwing around, here's whatyou're going to do.
And it is a call to armstelling you it is time to step
into your power.
It is time for you to claimyour space, use your voice, be
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the author of your next chapter,not a passive reader.
Be the protagonist of yourstory, not someone else's
sidekick.
Be out there, unapologetically,authentically yourself, knowing
it's enough, because you'reenough as you are in this moment
, not needing anyone'spermission.
Like it's this big.
Like you know, I go on aboutthat card for a bit.
That's not really a Tarot 101interpretation, the Venn diagram
(20:03):
they're touching, you know, butit's not, it's for sure, not a
circle with the Tarot 101.
And then something like theEmperor is a major Arcana card
and for me he just represents abuilding.
He's like where you work, it'san institution, an organization.
It's more of a qualifier orgives you a context clue rather
than a big major message.
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So if I pull the emperor, I'mfor sure pulling another card to
give.
Okay, what about it?
You know, let's get a messagearound this emperor energy,
because it doesn't say enough onits own.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, Are there cards that you don't see very often,
so when they come up you're likewhoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I wouldn't say that I don't see very often.
It's really interesting.
For instance, when I do areading, a full reading for
someone, if they have in thisdeck of 78 cards there are only
four aces.
So if you get four aces in yourreading, to me that's
auspicious.
And I'll say to people like,ooh, this is juicy.
Or if the spread, the pattern Ilay the cards out in, is a
circle, it's like a clock and welook at the cards in pairs
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across from one another.
So 12 o'clock with six, oneo'clock with seven, two o'clock
with eight, and if I have twoaces across from one another
I'll be like, oh, interesting,you know, like it's just from a
tarot reader perspective, likethe combinations I think are
more interesting than oneparticular card showing up, and
that's what I think is sovaluable about actually having a
tarot card reading, by the way,everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's not just about one, it's about the story that
you're creating with the clock.
I tried to explain it tosomeone the other day and it's
the story, because tarot cardsare about a story, but it's a
story about it.
It's not just you picking upone card and being like, oh,
this, this is what you shouldfocus on.
It's really about the storythat a whole reading can give to
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you at like we started with anypoint in time and where you are
in your life, like if you did areading for me, you know, this
week, it would be different thanthe reading that you did for me
a year ago.
It would not be the same.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, although to now .
interesting point, though, is ifsomeone hasn't taken, because
there's always homework in areading with me there's always
some takeaway homework and ifsomeone has just, you know,
ignored the homework forwhatever reason and not done any
of the work, they may seerepeating cards.
My best friend of like 30 years, who was my first well, 30 plus
(22:22):
years, because she was my firsttarot client, you know, in
terms of like, who I wouldpractice with for years would
get the same cards, just kind oflike you know, oh, I know that.
And to the point that shestarted thinking she was a tarot
reader and I was like, okay,take it down a notch, because
you're talking too much, let mesay this stuff.
And then when she startedmaking major shifts in her life,
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she started getting completelydifferent cards.
She's like I've never seen thiscard.
What is this card?
It was super cool.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That is very cool, I have to say.
When I was reading through yourbook and looking at all the
different cards, I was like I'venever seen that card before.
Now I don't hold them thatoften, but you know I've done
readings with you and otherpeople and I was like I've never
seen that card before.
I've never heard that cardbefore, and so it was very
interesting to read about someof the different cards that were
out there, and I was like, oh,wow, that's never come my way.
(23:09):
Okay, interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Depends on the message, and sometimes you don't
necessarily need that messagebecause it just isn't really
applying.
But if there's a card thatoffers homework with it and you
keep getting it, then I'd belike girl, how's that homework
going?
Or does it maybe need to beapplied to another area of your
life instead of the one thatyou've been focusing on?
That kind of thing, yes, allright.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So can we talk about the two cards that people I am
sure have questions about thedevil and death?
Sure, you talk about that.
Those are not necessarilynegative cards, and can you
explain why?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
about the intention.
You know, if I take a hammer, Ican use it to hang a beautiful
picture, or I can bash insomeone's windshield, you know,
and it's the same with the cards.
So you'll see, especially inpopular media, the devil, the
tower, the death card, andeveryone's like say goodbye to
the dog.
Yeah, you know, and it's justso silly.
The death card is one of myfavorite cards.
I love it.
I always say it's a top threecard for me to get because it's
transformational change.
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You know it looks all scary andgross and that's because that
is reflecting our relationshipwith change.
So if you resist it, eventhough the end result is great,
it can still suck the processbecause you're being dragged,
kicking and screaming, you know,versus if you welcome change,
oh God, yes, I'm ready, let's doit, I'm ready for this.
It can be amazing, start tofinish.
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So there's, you know, the deathcard.
Everyone sees the skeleton onthe horse and then he's got the
big scythe and everything.
But in the distance there'salways a little sun peeking over
the horizon and that's thelittle like hey, here's,
something better is coming.
So that's the death cardreframed, reframed.
And I always tell people youcan Google it, it's never
physical death, like, no animals, no plants, no people.
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It has never been aboutphysical death.
The devil often is reflectingaddiction and greed and jealousy
and lust and you know sevendeadly sins, like you know,
these two people chainedtogether and then this big scary
devil behind them together andthen this big scary devil behind
them.
For me it's actually goesupstream from that and it's the
kind of negative self-talk,limiting beliefs, that kind of
stuff, that devil squawking inyour ear.
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You're never going to get this.
You know you don't deserve itand I give people homework with
that card to address that devil,to bring it to the light and
see it and get rid of it.
Because if you don't, then itcan then be expressed through
things like addiction, you know.
So it gets pretty deep.
I have a lot of people who arelike you sound like my therapist
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, like I see a cognitivebehavioral therapist who told me
to do the same thing.
I'm like that's why my readingsare kind of different.
You know, right, it's the power, yeah, but the devil is never
biblical or satanic or anythinglike that.
He's the gremlin on theshoulder telling you you're a
piece of garbage and you need tolike just flick him off, get
rid of him Right?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, Well, and you also talk in your book about and
I've heard you say this beforeas well, but you talk quite a
bit about it in the book aboutthe right and wrong questions to
ask at a tarot card reading,whether you're the one reading
the cards or someone is readingthem for you.
So can you talk about right andwrong questions to ask?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, because there isn't a card that you know is a
definitive yes, definitive no.
Or you know next Tuesday, or oh, you'll meet him at the
Starbucks.
You know it's not like that,that's silly.
So you want the question to beopen-ended, not a yes, no
question.
So instead of will I get thejob, you would say what do I
need to know about thatopportunity?
Or instead of saying, is Fredthe one, you'd say what do I
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need to know about me and Fred?
You know, and it often tells youwhat you need to know to be
able well, it can give youguidance about a situation or a
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person or an opportunity, but itcan also often tell you the
work you need to do yourself tobe able to make the most of
whatever's before you.
And when it comes to otherpeople, I don't, and that goes
into the chapter Don't Be a Dick.
The Ethics of Tarot is you don'task about other people's
intentions or try and dip intotheir energy.
That's like that's no good,that's not cool.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it's not the purpose.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So if you again it's not.
What does Fred think about me?
Is Fred going to leave his wife?
Is Fred Fred?
Fred?
No, no, this isn't Fred'sreading, this is your reading.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So what do I?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
need to know about dealing with Fred.
Yes, it's all bringing it backinward to you, yeah and because
that's the ultimate goal of areading, hopefully is to give
you agency to help empower youto make the best decisions for
yourself moving forward.
You don't want to abdicateresponsibility of your life to
some rando with cards, right?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, no, you don't.
You don't and that's one of thebeauties You're not a psychic.
You're not about telling people, like you said, you're going to
go meet so-and-so on this dayor you're going to die at 55 or
anything like that.
It's not, it's not about that.
It's actually, I find it muchmore personal and personal
growth and so, honestly, muchmore powerful, because so many
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people say, you know, psychicsare crazy because so-and-so
tells you you're going to getcancer and die at 50.
And you want to be like, yeah,ok, no, but with tarot card
reading.
It's not about that, and soit's so much more about
reflecting inward for you andyou're just saying what you see.
So I would think you get alittle bit less of the.
You have no idea what you'retalking about, lady.
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You're crazy, or maybe I'mwrong.
Do you still get that?
Do you still get like you'rewoo?
You're crazy, you're a witch,you don't know anything?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean, I think that people who think that I don't
let that into my orbit, so Idon't hear about that because
I'm not attracting that kind ofenergy of those kinds of people.
I do go to a ton of events,especially with the dudes, where
they're sitting there armscrossed like okay, which tell me
what's up, let's see what yougot, and I love it.
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I just like okay, babe, let'sdo it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And by the end.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I have to say, like, get out of my chair, I have
other people waiting.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Your time is up, you can book a session Because they
just want to can I ask anotherone?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Can I ask another one ?
So you know I'm happy to readskeptics.
You have to at least, though,be a little bit open to it, and
I think anyone sitting in thechair is at least a little open
to it.
And I think my approach I callit woo-woo without the cuckoo it
puts people at ease, and theway I read the cards and the
stories I tell and I like tokeep it light and have humor,
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but it's also gets very deep andpersonal, and it can call you
on your stuff, you know, yeah,but it's never saying like this
sucks, see you later.
It's more like, ok, you're init now.
Here's what you need to know tohelp you navigate through Right
.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Right, and when you do readings because I've done
them with you before, it's likeyou give that you'll say one
card and be like OK, that's whatthis says.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What's your strategy there?
It depends on how many people.
If it's a more intimategathering, then they can ask a
few questions.
I pull a few cards for eachquestion, but it's never usually
more than three cards for aquestion.
I usually I don't know why, butit's either one or three cards,
never two, never five or fourLike it's usually one or three,
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and one card can give you plenty.
If there's a lineup, whichthere usually is, because I'll
get some people side-eyeing mewalking around, but as soon as I
get one brave butt in the seat,then off to the races and
there's a lineup and becausethen everyone tells everyone
else too, and they're like oh itwasn't scary.
Oh, you're not crying, oh, I'llgive it a shot.
And in those instances it'susually just one card, and I
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just stare at them awkwardlywhile I shuffle the deck, get
their mojo in there and then Igo okay, fan them out before
them, ask what do I need to knowright now?
And pull any card, let me seeit first.
And sometimes I I'll say, okay,I need another card for clarity
and I know if I'm alreadypulling another card, okay, give
me one more, because it'susually one or three.
Yes, yes, you know, it can beone minute or a few minutes for
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events.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, it's interesting that you say the one
or three, because in theinterior design world, like,
everything is always in threes,like you never have, just like.
Like, if you're doing agrouping of something, it's
never just like two candles,it's three candles, it's never
four.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It's never two.
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's either one, three or five, depending on what
it is, but five is like five,is it?
So most things happen in thedesign world around three in
threes Interesting oh.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I don't know what that is or why that is or what
that means, but always in thedesign world it's always in
threes.
Like if I'm setting a table andI'm putting candles on the
table, I will put threes inthrees.
I'll put two groups of threesor I'll put one.
I'll never put two and two.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh my God, I'm going in my living room right after
this and I'm going to sortmyself out.
I'm faking already.
Oh no, that's not looking good.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I digress, that's a total side subject, but I
totally digress on that one.
Let's talk about the deck,because you have rituals around
the deck and can you talk aboutwhat those are and what those
maybe mean, like in terms oflike the shuffling and who
touches and cutting andspreading out, and there's like
you have your own rituals aroundthat.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, it sounds dirty when you're like who's touching
, there's cutting, yeah.
So with this deck I mean beforeany reading, whether it's one
card or whether I've had someonejust pull one card or done a
full reading Whenever I start areading I always start by
knocking on the deck and it'susually three times, like I'm
just thinking, yeah, I justautomatically do three and that
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just is like an energetic palatecleanser.
It's just sort of knocks outthe energy of the last reading.
And then I stare at the personand I shuffle the deck and I'm
not thinking anything.
I'm just sort of locked in onthem and they can be looking at
me or anywhere else, because itcan be very intense.
So I tell people you don't haveto look at me, you can look
wherever you want.
I'm locked in.
It's not a staring contest.
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For the reading.
I don't do reversals, which iswhere the cards are sometimes
upside down.
That's mainly because the witchwho taught me said it's an
energy thing, kind of like howsome people keep their money.
Well, you'd know, with like thefeng shui of it right, like it
just keeps the energy flowingcleanly, with the cards being
one way.
So I always just do it that wayand then I keep my cards in
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this little box that I've hadfor like 25 years now.
I mean, it's falling apart.
I actually have to do some TLCon it.
Before that it was wrapped in ascarf.
Before that it was in the box.
It came in for, like you know,the first 10 years and in terms
of cleansing it, I tell peopleyou can put it on a windowsill
under a full moon.
If you want, you can putcrystals on or around it.
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I don't do any of it.
Sometimes I remember You'relike the down and dirty reader.
Yeah, but usually, you know,they keep it on an altar, but
for me this little box that Istore it in is the altar.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And when you travel, I'm sure you do not check that
ever.
I'm sure it goes on with you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It's one time I did and I was like sick about it.
The entire trip I thought Iswear to God if someone goes in
and steals my bag or something,yeah, and then after that I
thought it's just not worth thestress.
I'll just keep this thing on myperson at all times when I
travel, for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And have you ever gone through the?
You know, through the TSA,whatever they call?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
it up in Canada and had them been like what is that
big box in your bag and hold itout A few times I've had people
like it goes through the littlescanner thing and you can see my
bag, it gets out and then itgoes back in and then it's there
for a second, and then it goesdown the other, the, and then it
goes down the other, the littleside thing where they're like
whose bag is this and I'm likeugh, and a few times people have
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said what is this?
And then I explained tarot cardsand the first time it happened
and I thought, oh God, I'm goingto get like deported or put in
a cell or something.
And by the end of it the ladywas like taking my business card
because she wanted to get areading.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I was going to say yes, you recorded recently in
the airport and you said likethe security people were staring
at you, like you were a littlelike unnerved by them.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But that was because I had a camera propped up on a
little tripod like on a shelfthing and I was doing a card of
the day tarot reading, so that'swhy they were probably looking
so like what in the hell is thislady doing?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It looked like I'd set up shop, got it All right.
Can you explain?
One other question related tothe cards, and then I'm moving
on.
You say to cut the deck withyour non-dominant hand.
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Again, that was a thing taught to me by Erica the
witch and it was because whenyou use your non-dominant hand,
it's kind of like a shortcut toyour intuition and so, and if
people get confused because I italways puts people they're just
like oh what?
Because I'll say like, okay,are you right or left-handed?
and they're like, uh, sort oflike it's like I didn't know
there would be questions notthat complicated and you know,
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if they, if they cut it withtheir oh no, that was the wrong
hand I'll'll say don't worryabout it, it's not a big deal,
but it's just again.
It's a ritual, but it's nothing.
That is a hard and fast rulewhere if you forget to cut the
deck or you cut it with thedominant hand, it's going to
mess up your reading on to otherthings.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I do have a question about intuition, because you
talk about this in the book,that sort of a stance that
everyone has a degree ofintuition to be able to read
cards for themselves.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that intuition issomething we all have and it's
just the volume might be turnedup a little louder for some
versus others, for whateverreason.
And it's about understandingthat these cards again, there's
nothing magical, they're justpieces of paper with pictures on
them and each one tells a storyand then when you put them
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together, they tell the story ofyou.
And if a card speaks to you ina certain way, makes you feel a
certain way and you have acertain like almost emotional
reaction to it, or a reaction oroh, this means that for me, and
you pay attention to that andnote that down so that you
remember it next time, and themore you start to like recognize
these things and listen to thembut, most importantly, trust
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them, that's when tarot reallygets cool, that's when it really
sort of starts to sing.
You know, these cards can be aprompt for your intuition
because it just if you pull acard in the morning and look at
it and just sort of take itsmessage into your day and then
reflect at the end of the day,you'll start to see how that
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message kind of showed up inyour day.
You know, and it can also be acreative prompt I do with Jen
Pasteloff.
She does these writingworkshops online and every so
often I'll drop into the Zoomand pull a card for people and
just show it to them and thenthat's a writing prompt.
So it can be a creativeexercise and they know nothing
about the card and what it means.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's pretty cool thedifferent uses for it.
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Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Including intuition.
Including intuition, but didyou find, while you were
evolving as a chair reader, wasthere like an event or something
that happened that you're like,oh my goodness, I think I
really am intuitive, I think Ireally have a gift, or was it
just it grew over time?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
no-transcript.
So yeah, it was gradual for meOkay.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm a late bloomer.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah Well, I'm 55 too .
We're all late bloomers.
We're figuring it out later inlife.
Yes, okay, I like that.
I'm a late bloomer.
Yeah Well, I'm 55 too.
We're all late bloomers.
We're figuring it out later inlife.
Yes, yes, all right.
So I would love to switch gearsand talk about, kind of, what
else is on your bucket list,what is on the future that you,
things that you want to do,experiences you want to have,
how you want to grow yourbusiness, what's kind of out
there, because the more we putit out into the universe, the
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more it will start to come.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yes, that is absolutely correct.
What I am focusing on, myintention now is to increase my
platform, increase my presence,get these tools in the hands of
as many people as possible,because I know how effective
they can be, whether it's tarotor rituals or crystals or
whatever and I do.
I lead retreat weekends atCanyon Ranch Spa in the States
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in California, and I love that,and I was in Bali and
participated in a retreat andI'm looking at going to Europe
next summer to do a couple ofretreats.
I led a retreat, a women'sretreat, here where I live, and
I was originally thinking likeif I could get 40 women for this
one day retreat, that'd bepretty cool.
We ended up selling out thevenue at 75, 80 women, wow, and
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it was an amazing day, I'm sure,of in-person ritual events
getting on a stage, speaking topeople, doing tarot for people
on the spot, like justintroducing this to people in a
new way.
I'm super passionate about it.
It really lights me up.
So, in addition to readings,obviously and I went to Google
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headquarters, you know, and theyhad this big event for their
sales force like 400 people fromaround the world, their entire
sales force and I was brought into give readings and it wasn't
just like entertainment, it was.
We are really focused.
The theme of this week thatwe're doing is lighting up
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everyone's inner, you know,purpose and potential and
letting them become their ownmanifestors, and like they were
talking that kind of talk and wewant you to support them in
that and it was so cool, like it, you know doing it in different
ways.
I work with a few businessowners who bring me in to do not
just work with them one-on-onebut also, you know, let's talk
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about the corporation.
Let's pull a card for Q1, q2,q3, q4 and see what shows up.
So cool yeah.
So just expanding in that wayand also so like validating too.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
You're like okay, wait, google cared.
Google cared about what you arepassionate about and the value
that you can deliver with tarotcards.
That's amazing.
Google was stoked.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
That's so cool, but it was mostly to just house
videos that I was putting on mywebsite.
And then, when I was at thisGoogle event because they own
YouTube, all of these YouTubetop execs I was pulling cards
for and they were saying, well,how's your YouTube?
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What are you doing on YouTube?
Do you do this?
And I was like don't look at myYouTube, guys, just stop.
It's embarrassing.
There's nothing on there.
There's a card of the day Itried it for, like in 2018 or
something, oh my goodness.
And they were saying, like youare missing out on a huge
opportunity, stop it.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
And so I'm dedicated to doing not just card of the
day, I do a card of the monthfor each astrology sign.
Oh, cool One thing I starteddoing that's really cool since
we last spoke and I've only doneit twice, so it's still new but
I pull a card for myself everyweek.
I don't post about it, but I do.
I do take note of how thatcard's message shows up in my
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week personally, and then at theend of the week I do a little
video about the story of likeokay, the card was this and
here's how it showed up.
And that's actually been kindof popular, I would think that's
very popular.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and it's pretty cool.
Yes, because I was going to askyou if the card, when you pull
the card of the day, do you feellike that message is
specifically for you or does itfeel like it's for a?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
broader audience.
It often feels like it's for me, more often than not, to the
point where I think why am Ieven posting this?
This isn't going to apply toanybody.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's obviously my message, yeah, but yet it does.
It applies to so many people.
I know it's wild.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
So Bali, are you going to go back to Bali?
But I think there are just somany other places to explore.
Yes, you know, and one thing Inoticed, because I had prepared
all of these little you knowpostcards, sort of expanded
business cards and things that Iwas going to take to retreat
centers and the yoga barn andall these places to promote
myself to come back to leadretreats and stuff and as soon
as I got off the plane I waslike oh no, absolutely not.
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The Balinese do not need mecoming in telling them how to do
rituals like time to burn ourshit guys, absolutely not.
They've got it down.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, that is not for me to do.
It felt very like culturalappropriation, but kind of in a
in a flipped kind of way, nowtaking a bunch of babes and
going to the south of France orto Italy or to Greece and using
a beautiful location to do aweekend or a week of immersive
like rituals and tarot and youknow, stepping into the best
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version of yourself, healing oldwounds.
We're manifesting, we'rereleasing, we're doing it all
that I'm into.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I am so into that too , so I follow you.
I will be 100% on board,because I think that's just
really cool.
And one of the other coolthings that you talk about when
you do these retreats and theseevents are the women and I don't
want to just exclude men, butlet's just say women, the
powerful women that you areattracting into your life.
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Is that just like pinch me?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
amazing.
I'm obsessed with women.
I love women, to be able towork with them and to be able to
learn from them and just seethe power that happens when we
gather together.
It is a very specific thing towomen, it's the coven of it all,
it is, and so to be able tolead and also be a participant
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in those kinds of gatherings hasbeen.
It's unbelievable.
I have so many you know friendsor like groups of friends,
where we have these conjuringsessions Every week.
I have multiple I call themconjuring sessions on the Zoom,
where we just talk about likeaccountability and what we're
working on, and it's not aboutlike, how are the kids?
It's like, okay, how's thatcore wound going?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Like what happened since last time.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, there's no small talk.
You know like I'm done withsmall talk.
I don't have it in me.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh, I'm so with you.
You get to a certain age and acertain personal development
that you're like I can't wastethe energy on that, it's just
not going to do anything for me.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Not benefiting anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, no, thank you, no, thank you.
You are so beautiful.
Okay, before we go, onequestion and then if you would
be willing to pull a card forthe audience.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I would love I was going to say it better be.
Can I pull a card Of?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
course, yeah, of course no.
But my other, my question,before you pull a card, is is
there anything that I didn't askyou, that you want to make sure
you get out to the audience andyou want to communicate, did I
miss anything?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I don't think so.
You're a fantastic interviewer.
I mean just really pushing theidea that the magic is in you,
in everyone listening.
You know it's wonderful to havea tarot reading with me or
another.
You know it's wonderful to havea tarot reading with me or
another, you know tarot reader,to get a psychic reading,
astrology reading, whateverfloats your boat.
But you can also buy my bookand just pick a page, or you can
get your own deck and just gofor it yourself.
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You know it's nothing.
You don't need to permission,you don't need to think, oh, I
haven't been doing it fordecades like she has.
That doesn't matter.
I just I'm slow and steady,like that's me.
I'm the, I'm the tortoise, notthe hare when it comes to this
stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
So just, these tools are there, so take advantage of
them, which is a really powerfulmessage, because I have seen
you on other shows and listen toyou and sometimes the host will
be like, oh yeah, I pulledcards before and I kind of just
felt like who am I to pull cards?
Like I don't feel like I'mintuitive and who am I to do
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this?
I don't have any background inthis, who am I?
But I really found that yourbook and I was really happy to
know like I had the right kindof cards too.
I was pretty proud of myselfthat the cards I bought on
Amazon were like the right cards, because I was like, wait, I
might not.
Even I was like, wait, I mightnot.
Even I was like I might noteven have the standard cards.
I know so little about what I'mdoing that I might not even
have the standard cards, but Idid at least have the standard
cards and your book makes itreally inviting to just like
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embrace the journey and just doit and I kind of have fun with
it.
I don't do it every day, but Ido it a lot and I just find it's
really fun.
So I thank you for that,because you took some of the
stigma away from the cards forme personally.
But that doesn't mean I won'tlike not still have readings,
because I still will Like wow,your readings are so powerful.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, and it's, and it's whatever you need when you
need it.
You know, sometimes you want afull enchilada and sometimes you
need just a little little taste.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yes, exactly, and sometimes when I pull a card I
don't really like it.
I'm like, well, why don't Ilike it?
Like, what about that nudge?
What about that nudge is makingit?
So I'm not so happy about thatcard.
And that, I think, is a lot oftimes where the power in the
message is it's like I didn'tlike it.
But that doesn't mean you getto put it back and be like I
want another one.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I mean you can, but probably that card's message is
pushing you to do somethingthat's going to make you
uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Correct, exactly, and so learning to just sit with
that and not have it be likeit's not going to tell me every
day that wealth is right aroundthe corner.
Right, and that's okay.
That's okay, that's life.
So, before we go, because I'vetaken up so much of your time,
if you wouldn't mind reading acard for the audience so they
can get a little bit of yourflavor.
That would be fantastic, yeah,okay.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
So I'm going to knock , so you'll hear me knock.
And now I'm doing the awkwardshuffle and stare Not awkward
shuffle, but I call it theawkward stare because I'm just
like Snoopy on the doghousestaring at you, okay.
So I'm just going to ask doesJeannie need to know right now?
Ooh, you got a juicy one.
So you have the star, and thestar is, for me, one of the
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luckiest cards in the deck.
For me.
I have four luck cards wheel offortune, the world, the star,
the sun.
And it's never just handingover all the luck, it's offering
you a lesson to help.
Good and the bad and the uglyare all part of your path and
certain people, opportunities,experiences showing up for a
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reason and a season, you knowpeople coming into your lives to
be the teacher, the student,the guide, the mirror, an
opportunity showing up, whetherit's 20 minutes or 20 years,
there's a reason for that.
That's your destiny.
And then what you choose to dowith it, because you have free
will, is often up to you.
So you can dance with it,ignore it, kick its ass, let it
kick your ass, learn from it.
But the star is saying don'tget too caught up in trying to
(50:42):
figure out, like what's themeaning, what's the message,
what's the purpose of the?
Instead, grab that luckystardust, shove it in your
pocket, hit the road and go doyour thing, and then there's
usually perspective down theroad where you look back and say
all right, I get it.
Okay, that actually makes sense.
And we always want to know inadvance rather than retrospect
and that's not how it works.
Now for you, Jean, I'm going togo a little deeper.
(51:02):
I don't always, but I want tofor you, and this one there's
deeper interpretations in thebook too is to just remember
that we are born alone and wedie alone, and from the moment
we're born to the moment we pass, it's like our souls join hands
with other souls, whether it'sparents, partners, teachers,
lovers, and we often walk sideby side, hand in hand, from
start to finish.
Every so often there's twistsand turns, oopsie, daisies.
(51:25):
You figure it out in the end.
Sometimes you know you part andthen you find each other
further along the path, but moreoften than not it's like you
know what our work here is done.
I'll catch you on the flip side, Not if you go in different
directions.
What the star is reminding youis that the path you are on is a
singular path.
We are all on an individualpath.
You can't be pulling someonealong their path or yanking them
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onto your path, even when it'sobvious you know better, because
it screws with their karma.
You know, I'm learning thisstill the hard way with my kids,
like even when it comes from aprotective or loving place.
It can prolong or enlarge thelessons that other people need
to learn when you try to carrythe burdens that are not yours
to bear.
So all we can do is have ahandout to say, hey, I'm here if
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you want to walk alongside meon our respective paths and hold
hands but I can't pull youalong your path, I'm not yanking
you onto my path and I will notwait.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I love that.
And do you see howunderstanding?
Yes, right, yes, it's reallypowerful we can't be living
everyone's lives for them.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yes, and knowing the role of destiny and free will.
Understanding all of that iswhat helps you access the luck
that's available with this star.
It's almost like it unlocks theluck that is so good, makes
sense.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm going to go back and create a little snippet of
this for myself so I can listento it again and again.
It totally makes sense.
It's so powerful.
I absolutely love it.
And someone said to me recently, like looking at a relationship
as what's your soul contractand just looking at it a little
bit differently.
So it's interesting that youbrought that up, because that's
right along a similar line there.
Everybody you have to go buyher books.
(53:18):
They are just, they will makeyou laugh, they will educate you
, they will expand yourknowledge and they are so fun.
So thank you for taking thetime to be on the show.
I wish you all the best withthe rest of summer and as we
move into the fall.
I can't wait to see yourretreats and europe next year.
Oh, my goodness, count me in.
I am so there.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So fun, right?
Thank you, this was a pleasure.
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Thank you.
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Thank you for joining our house.
I always say a tarot reading, at least with me.
I call it a conversation withyour soul, you know, and I'm the
interpreter, but you can havethis conversation yourself with
your own deck or just with thebook.
A lot of people just flipthrough the book and what do I
need to know today?
Doink and they choose a pageand there's the reading.
So you don't even really needthe cards.
But it's why, you know, thesemessages are so specifically
(00:22):
random and randomly specific andthat's why I say a card of the
day.
I'm thinking it means somethingvery specific to me.
You see me do it and you'relike oh my god, this message is
just for me, this is crazy.
And then, three months from now, someone somehow gets that
Instagram post coming up intheir feed and sees it three
months later and they're like,wow, this is exactly what I need
(00:43):
to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's why I'm very I never say the date in the card
of the day because it finds youwhen you need it.
Welcome to the House of Germarpodcast, where wellness starts
within.
The House of Germar is alifestyle brand, empowering
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We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
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We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
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I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
And I invite you to becomeinspired by this week's guest.
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Welcome everybody.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have one of my
favorite guests who's returningto the show Tarot Lori.
I am so excited to have youback on the show.
And, guys, we are going to talkall things tarot rituals,
retreats, numerology.
There's so much.
She written her second book.
For those of you who can see,here we go Big Deck Energy.
So, terrell Lori, thank you forcoming on the show.
(01:50):
I'm so excited to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Jean, I'm so happy to be back.
I love just hanging out withyou.
Your energy is delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And so is yours.
I feel like a little kid thismorning.
I was like, yay, it's TerrellLori Day.
I just like you know you're allthings woo, but you're so cool,
you're so grounded.
I have so much respect for youas a female entrepreneur and so
I just love spending time withyou and I follow you on
Instagram and I do your ritualsand I do your full moon rituals.
We'll get into all that andyour book.
(02:18):
For those of you who have notseen Laurie's original podcast
episode where we talk about herfirst book Burn your Shit.
You didn't start out as TarotLori, so tell everybody how did
you get into tarot cards andhaving this be your career and
your mission and your purposeand everything that you are?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Right, no problem.
I think it's really interestingbecause I've always been
fascinated by the metaphysicaland you know UFOs and witchcraft
and psychics and mediums andall of that stuff.
Growing up in the late 80sthere was no real internet that
you could be Googling anythingabout.
There was no Google, and soeveryone in Calgary, alberta,
(02:58):
where I grew up up in Canada,saw this psychic named Erica who
was a witch like a legit witch,saw this psychic named Erica
who was a witch like a legitwitch and she had the crystal
ball and the red velvetwallpaper and 15 brooms and tea
leaves, all the things.
And I just loved her.
And I remember the first time Isaw her and she pulled out this
big deck of old tarot cards andI was immediately like, what
(03:19):
are those?
Tell me everything.
Oh, my God, I'm obsessed.
And so I just started readingcards and she ended up mentoring
me.
I wrote about her in a paperthat I wrote in university
women's studies class about thehistory of witchcraft and she
was one of my interviewparticipants and so I got to
really know her and she becamemy mentor.
And then I mean the deck that Iuse is my original deck.
(03:41):
I've had it for 35 years nowand every reading I've ever done
is in this deck, starting fromday one with Erica practicing,
and it's just something I couldnever put down.
I have a communications degree.
I was working.
I was a director ofcommunications for a major
telecom company.
I did a lot of like stuff but Idid not.
I was not great at it.
I would take my clients forreadings when we had lunch and
(04:03):
that's sort of what kept me inthe game that you know, on that
level.
And then I, years ago, decidedto just go all in.
At that point I was doing more,you know, freelance copywriting
and I had kids at that point,so I wasn't in the high, high
level, but still incommunications, and I finally
just decided to plant my freakflag and let it fly and I am a
tarot reader and that's whenthings really took off.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It was pretty cool, it is so cool and your story you
talk about in your book, inboth of your books.
So when did you decide youwanted to become an author?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, again, because I write for a living and I'm
confident in myself as a writer,the book thing was very
serendipitous, very guided in away that I don't realize until I
look back on it, because I, youknow, I had this little Zoom
recorded very, very low tech howto do tarot workshop that I had
(04:54):
created, and I wanted to havesome sort of PDF document to go
along with it.
So I just started writing outmy interpretation of the cards,
which, do you know, yourinterpretation with your cards
evolves as you do.
You get this dialoguedeveloping with your deck over
time, and so my interpretationsin many ways can be quite
different or go more in depth orkind of in a different
(05:15):
direction than the Tarot 101, asI refer to it.
So I started putting thisdocument together and then I
started thinking, well, I'mgoing to put a story to each
card, to sort of show that cardin action, to sort of show how
it can apply in everyday life.
And then it expanded andexpanded and I had all these
friends who were doingself-publishing and I was
thinking, well, I mean, I writefor a living, like, why don't I
(05:37):
try self-publish?
Maybe I could get you know alittle indie publisher to print
this for me and I don't have topay too much.
And I started thinking, well,what if I?
What if they paid me?
Like, what if I could make acouple of bucks on this?
That'd be kind of cool.
And then I started thinking,well, what about, like, if I had
an agent who then shopped itaround to publishers for, like,
a publishing deal?
(05:57):
And then I started thinking,why not like a big five
publisher, like, why not me?
You know?
And that's sort of howmanifesting works is you have
these goals, you take stepstowards it and then just see how
things turn out.
And it turned out that I had ameeting with my agent, with
HarperCollins, and they said,you know, tarot's kind of been
done to death, but we reallylike this ritual.
You do this burn your shit fullmoon fire ritual you do on
(06:19):
Instagram live every month.
Could you write a book aboutrituals?
And my agent, being amazing,said, said, yeah, she'll write
your book about rituals, but youalso have to print the tarot
book.
So that's how I got a two bookdeal.
The ritual book came out first.
That came out last year.
The tarot book just came out acouple of months ago and I
actually had to rewrite abouttwo thirds of it because it
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needed to match the tone andbecause you know it had been
years since I'd originallywritten it.
It needed to be zhuzhed up abit, but that's how I became an
author and deliver it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know you got to meet people halfway right, you
got to meet the universe halfway.
And you in your stories in yourbook you really talk about like
how you had to really step intoyou being this person, you
being Tarot Lori, tarot cardsand being an author and being a
speaker and doing retreats, likeyou had to really step in and
get outside your comfort zone inorder to become who we all see
(07:25):
now.
How scary was stepping intothat new, unknown universe where
, also at the time, when youstep into something like that,
like you didn't know, oh, I'mgoing to be doing retreats at
Canyon Ranch and I'm going to betraveling around the country
you don't know.
So how scary was that to stepinto that whole new you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, it's funny because what really initiated a
real spark?
Or people are talking, lizGilbert, and they'd be talking
about things in a beautiful waythat is unique to them.
But I would be thinking tomyself, well, that's the high
priestess, well that's the tower, well, that's the wheel of
fortune.
And I got really annoyedthinking nobody realizes that
these 78 cars has all of theselessons within them, at least
(08:25):
the way that it's developed withme over time.
So that got me sort of thegumption, you know, the chutzpah
, to get out there and say likeI want I have something to say
about this.
You know, and I think it'ssomething that comes with
turning 50, because everythinghappened really started to take
off when I turned 50.
I'm 55 now, where you know youturn 40 and you start not caring
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as much what people think, andthen by the time you turn 50,
it's like I'm not even going toask to see if you care, like I
really don't care what y'allthink, you know.
And so that was a real turningpoint for me to be able to just
say I'm just going to do me, I'mjust going to do this stuff.
I have something to say.
I know how profound andpowerful these tools are,
whether it's rituals or tarotcards.
(09:15):
They're not magic but they canbe very magical and I want it in
the hands of as many people aspossible.
So I'm really lucky that mycareer is my calling, like it
really is my mission.
I'm sweaty just talking about it.
I get my daughter calls it thetarot sweats when I get like in
the zone talking about it.
But yeah, it's very much mymission to tell as many people.
(09:39):
People will ask me.
But you're sort of sharing allyour secrets in the tarot book,
like you're giving it all away.
Why would people even want areading?
But you know you get a readingwith me.
It's going to be unlike anyreading you've ever had with
anyone before, same with anyother tarot reader.
Like I'm confident enough inmyself to not feel like I have
to hide.
You know what I know about it.
(10:00):
I just want everyone and let itmeet you where you're at and do
what it can for you.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I just want everyone and let it meet you where you're
at and do what it can for you.
Yes, well, and you do a greatjob of explaining in this book
in particular and you explainthis when you talk online too
it's like take what resonatesand get rid of the rest, because
your message to someone one daywith one card, it might hit me
very differently than it's goingto hit you.
Or you might pull a card todayand pull that same card a month
(10:26):
from now and your message youmight say the same thing with
the same really funny storyabout the card and what it means
, but it might hit medifferently a month from now.
So the beautiful thing abouttarot and tarot readings is that
it's an evolution as people aregrowing and evolving and it's
not like a one and done thing,like yeah, okay, you're a Leo,
all right, great, yeah, I'm aLeo, yeah, that's not changing.
(10:48):
But tarot is evolving based onwhat's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, I always say a tarot reading, at least with me.
I call it a conversation withyour soul, you know, and I'm the
interpreter, but you can havethis conversation yourself with
your own deck or just with thebook.
A lot of people just flipthrough the book and what do I
need to know today?
Doink and they choose a pageand there's the reading.
So you don't even really needthe cards.
But it's why, you know, thesemessages are so specifically
(11:14):
random and randomly specific andthat's why I say a card of the
day.
I'm thinking it means somethingvery specific to me.
You see me do it and you'relike, oh my God, this message is
just for me.
This is crazy.
And then, three months from now, someone somehow gets that
Instagram post coming up intheir feed and sees it three
months later and they're like,wow, this is exactly what I need
(11:35):
to hear.
That's why I'm very.
I never say the date in thecard of the day.
Yes, because it finds you whenyou need it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You do which is true, and sometimes I see your stuff
and I follow.
You know you're one of my likestarred people, so I see your
content, but sometimes, you know, I'm not always on Instagram
and so sometimes it'll be acouple days later and I'll go
and I'll look and I'll be like,oh well, that was a couple days
ago, but that's hitting today,like that's hitting, yeah, wild,
(12:06):
it's so wild.
Okay, so, before we get intothe book of which I have so many
questions and everybody, I readthis entire book, every word of
the entire book, more than onceand I learned so much, and so I
can't wait to dig into the book.
But before we do, I am justpersonally curious what is the
most interesting thing you havelearned about yourself in this
journey?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I learned that I know more than I thought I did.
You know, when I had to put itdown on paper, and when I had to
, because the original draft was, you know 80% what the cards
meant, the interpretation, andthen I had a little bit about
the history, a little bit abouthow to do a spread, how to ask a
question.
You know, I didn't haveanything about the ethics of
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tarot at that point.
And when I had to write thisbook and they said, no, that
needs to be flipped Like, 20% isthe interpretations, but the
rest has to be all this otherstuff, and I thought, oh God,
how am I going to?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And then when I started actually writing, I was
like, oh, I actually know a lotabout this and I did.
Do you know research on thehistory?
To really I had.
Do you know research on thehistory to?
Really I had to you know,verify sources and stuff.
With HarperCollins they don'tmess around like you need to.
You can't say somethinghappened without citing some
sources, of course.
And that was really really coolto just realize the depth and
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breadth of not even what I knowabout tarot, but just the
confidence that I have in myability to connect with these
cards and the confidence in thecards to tell me what I need to
know when I ask it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, Do you think of the cards like almost like
little people, because they allhave a story and they all have a
personality and a character.
So do they almost become likecharacters in a movie to you?
Oh jeez, did you watch Schitt'sCreek?
You know what?
I did watch some of it.
I didn't watch all of it, but Iwatched part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes, so Catherine O'Hara in Schitt's Creek.
Her name's Moira Rose.
She has this relationship withall her wigs, where they all
have a name.
Amanda and Stephanie don't likeeach other.
That is what I'm like with mycards.
I say it all the time.
I am Moira Rose of tarot, likeit's so funny, because I'll be
like, oh, they do not like thesecards, or oh, we're getting
trolled.
Or I'll always say, oh, it'slike tarot saying this.
(14:11):
Sometimes it's the card, butit's more often just like as an
entity, the deck.
I always say in a reading, evena one card reading has a
personality or a tone or a vibe,and sometimes it's really
ethereal and metaphors andsometimes it's really bossy or
prescriptive, sometimes it'sconsoling and sometimes it's
like babe, did we stutter?
(14:33):
Like get your shit together.
You know like it's.
There's always like a vibe.
So in that way, 100% there's apersonality to these cards.
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It feels like it as you're reading the book.
And when I had you on the showbefore and you were talking
about this book, I was like, ohyay, I'm so excited for a book
that's going to tell me allabout the individual cards.
And you told me, well, it'sactually flipped.
And I was like how much is shereally going to say Like, isn't
it all just?
about what each card means.
But it turns out, as I wasreading it, it was so insightful
(15:06):
and I think I mean I learned somuch and we'll get into my
questions in a second.
I learned so much but I foundit so insightful to understand
where these cards came from.
Because then when I pull a card, now my understanding of that
card and you always talk aboutlike, look at the card first
before you run to the book, andlook at the card and see what
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the story is trying to tell you,because it's different for
everybody.
Like your personalinterpretation of the card and
you always used to say that yousay it on Instagram too and I
always kind of was like I don'teven understand this.
Like what are these circleswith these star things going
through it and everything kindof looks grim on a lot of the
cards going through it andeverything kind of looks grim on
a lot of the cards.
Yes, but it was really helpfulto understand the story of the
(15:49):
card before I got to the card.
So anyone who's watching orlistening to this, you really
need to read the book.
It will make the cardsthemselves have so much more
meaning to you if you read thebook.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh, I love that, thank you.
Yes, all right, so there are 78cards?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
First fact I didn't know.
I had no idea there were 78cards.
I actually had no idea thatthere were major and minor.
What do you call them?
Arcana, arcana, arcana.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's how you pronounce it.
It comes from, I think it's theLatin word arcane, like secrets
or unknown things.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, Can you explain the difference?
Do people have no idea Like Istarted having no idea what the
difference is between major andminor arcana.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah for sure.
And also the difference between, I think, oracle cards versus
tarot cards, because oraclecards can be 78 or 12 or 102.
It's up to the creator, andthey usually have a message
written right on the card andit's a lovely prompt or a
meditation point and that'sgreat.
And then tarot is more of asystem and within this system
(16:56):
it's not considered a tarot deckif it doesn't meet certain
criteria in terms of 78 cards, amajor arcana and a minor arcana
.
The major arcana is the cardsthat have the word at the bottom
, like the sun, the devil, death, judgment, the world there, and
they tend to be big, reallylike life journey cards, major
messages, in theory okay,whereas the minor arcana is
(17:19):
split into four suits, like aregular deck of cards, but
instead of hearts you have cups,instead of spades you have
swords, and so you have thesefour suits and they start at ace
and they go up and they have aking and a queen and a page
which is kind of like a jack,and then they have an extra guy,
a knight, or actually theknight is like a jack.
Anyway, you don't need to knowthat, but each of these suits
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wands, cups, swords, coins has adifferent sort of vibe to it.
One tends to be more aboutmoney, one more about emotions,
one more about, you know, newbeginnings or careers, and they
tend to be more in theory about,like, the day-to-day of life.
Now, this is where I diverge offof the sort of tarot 101 of it
all.
I think there are a few majorarcana cards that are total
(18:04):
snooze.
They can be about fun things,but they're not telling me much.
And there are a lot, a lot, alot of minor arcana cards that
are massively profound andimpactful messages and often,
especially for me, with the coincards, the pentacles, the money
cards, it has nothing to dowith money.
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I always say this could be aboutwealth, health, career, love,
home, family, many.
You know one or many areas oflife and I give you this.
You know, when we have areading of any kind, it's like
together we draw a map and I'mhelping you read it and then
what you do with it, as we saidearlier, is up to you.
I can't give you a prophecysaying, oh, this card means
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you're going to be anophthalmologist, you know it's
more okay.
This card says you got to getyour head out of your butt
because you're focusing on thewrong things, or you know
messages that you're meant tothen take away and apply to your
life, and so for me, whetherit's major or minor arcana, they
can be massive messages orlittle kind of like nothing
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burgers.
Either way.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, so give me an example of a major, minor,
arcana card that could have alot of meaning?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh for sure, the Ace of Swords for me is the most
powerful card of the entire deck, and it is a call to arms.
The cards will usually say youknow, here's a lesson, here's
something to look at.
And for me the Ace of Swords issaying like girl, we're done
screwing around, here's whatyou're going to do.
And it is a call to armstelling you it is time to step
into your power.
It is time for you to claimyour space, use your voice, be
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the author of your next chapter,not a passive reader.
Be the protagonist of yourstory, not someone else's
sidekick.
Be out there, unapologetically,authentically yourself, knowing
it's enough, because you'reenough as you are in this moment
, not needing anyone'spermission.
Like it's this big.
Like you know, I go on aboutthat card for a bit.
That's not really a Tarot 101interpretation, the Venn diagram
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they're touching, you know, butit's not, it's for sure, not a
circle with the Tarot 101.
And then something like theEmperor is a major Arcana card
and for me he just represents abuilding.
He's like where you work, it'san institution, an organization.
It's more of a qualifier orgives you a context clue rather
than a big major message.
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So if I pull the emperor, I'mfor sure pulling another card to
give.
Okay, what about it?
You know, let's get a messagearound this emperor energy,
because it doesn't say enough onits own.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, Are there cards that you don't see very often,
so when they come up you're likewhoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I wouldn't say that I don't see very often.
It's really interesting.
For instance, when I do areading, a full reading for
someone, if they have in thisdeck of 78 cards there are only
four aces.
So if you get four aces in yourreading, to me that's
auspicious.
And I'll say to people like,ooh, this is juicy.
Or if the spread, the pattern Ilay the cards out in, is a
circle, it's like a clock and welook at the cards in pairs
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across from one another.
So 12 o'clock with six, oneo'clock with seven, two o'clock
with eight, and if I have twoaces across from one another
I'll be like, oh, interesting,you know, like it's just from a
tarot reader perspective, likethe combinations I think are
more interesting than oneparticular card showing up, and
that's what I think is sovaluable about actually having a
tarot card reading, by the way,everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's not just about one, it's about the story that
you're creating with the clock.
I tried to explain it tosomeone the other day and it's
the story, because tarot cardsare about a story, but it's a
story about it.
It's not just you picking upone card and being like, oh,
this, this is what you shouldfocus on.
It's really about the storythat a whole reading can give to
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you at like we started with anypoint in time and where you are
in your life, like if you did areading for me, you know, this
week, it would be different thanthe reading that you did for me
a year ago.
It would not be the same.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, although to now .
interesting point, though, is ifsomeone hasn't taken, because
there's always homework in areading with me there's always
some takeaway homework and ifsomeone has just, you know,
ignored the homework forwhatever reason and not done any
of the work, they may seerepeating cards.
My best friend of like 30 years, who was my first well, 30 plus
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years, because she was my firsttarot client, you know, in
terms of like, who I wouldpractice with for years would
get the same cards, just kind oflike you know, oh, I know that.
And to the point that shestarted thinking she was a tarot
reader and I was like, okay,take it down a notch, because
you're talking too much, let mesay this stuff.
And then when she startedmaking major shifts in her life,
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she started getting completelydifferent cards.
She's like I've never seen thiscard.
What is this card?
It was super cool.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
That is very cool, I have to say.
When I was reading through yourbook and looking at all the
different cards, I was like I'venever seen that card before.
Now I don't hold them thatoften, but you know I've done
readings with you and otherpeople and I was like I've never
seen that card before.
I've never heard that cardbefore, and so it was very
interesting to read about someof the different cards that were
out there, and I was like, oh,wow, that's never come my way.
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Okay, interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Depends on the message, and sometimes you don't
necessarily need that messagebecause it just isn't really
applying.
But if there's a card thatoffers homework with it and you
keep getting it, then I'd belike girl, how's that homework
going?
Or does it maybe need to beapplied to another area of your
life instead of the one thatyou've been focusing on?
That kind of thing, yes, allright.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So can we talk about the two cards that people I am
sure have questions about thedevil and death?
Sure, you talk about that.
Those are not necessarilynegative cards, and can you
explain why?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
about the intention.
You know, if I take a hammer, Ican use it to hang a beautiful
picture, or I can bash insomeone's windshield, you know,
and it's the same with the cards.
So you'll see, especially inpopular media, the devil, the
tower, the death card, andeveryone's like say goodbye to
the dog.
Yeah, you know, and it's justso silly.
The death card is one of myfavorite cards.
I love it.
I always say it's a top threecard for me to get because it's
transformational change.
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You know it looks all scary andgross and that's because that
is reflecting our relationshipwith change.
So if you resist it, eventhough the end result is great,
it can still suck the processbecause you're being dragged,
kicking and screaming, you know,versus if you welcome change,
oh God, yes, I'm ready, let's doit, I'm ready for this.
It can be amazing, start tofinish.
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So there's, you know, the deathcard.
Everyone sees the skeleton onthe horse and then he's got the
big scythe and everything.
But in the distance there'salways a little sun peeking over
the horizon and that's thelittle like hey, here's,
something better is coming.
So that's the death cardreframed, reframed.
And I always tell people youcan Google it, it's never
physical death, like, no animals, no plants, no people.
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It has never been aboutphysical death.
The devil often is reflectingaddiction and greed and jealousy
and lust and you know sevendeadly sins, like you know,
these two people chainedtogether and then this big scary
devil behind them together andthen this big scary devil behind
them.
For me it's actually goesupstream from that and it's the
kind of negative self-talk,limiting beliefs, that kind of
stuff, that devil squawking inyour ear.
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You're never going to get this.
You know you don't deserve itand I give people homework with
that card to address that devil,to bring it to the light and
see it and get rid of it.
Because if you don't, then itcan then be expressed through
things like addiction, you know.
So it gets pretty deep.
I have a lot of people who arelike you sound like my therapist
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, like I see a cognitivebehavioral therapist who told me
to do the same thing.
I'm like that's why my readingsare kind of different.
You know, right, it's the power, yeah, but the devil is never
biblical or satanic or anythinglike that.
He's the gremlin on theshoulder telling you you're a
piece of garbage and you need tolike just flick him off, get
rid of him Right?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, Well, and you also talk in your book about and
I've heard you say this beforeas well, but you talk quite a
bit about it in the book aboutthe right and wrong questions to
ask at a tarot card reading,whether you're the one reading
the cards or someone is readingthem for you.
So can you talk about right andwrong questions to ask?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, because there isn't a card that you know is a
definitive yes, definitive no.
Or you know next Tuesday, or oh, you'll meet him at the
Starbucks.
You know it's not like that,that's silly.
So you want the question to beopen-ended, not a yes, no
question.
So instead of will I get thejob, you would say what do I
need to know about thatopportunity?
Or instead of saying, is Fredthe one, you'd say what do I
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need to know about me and Fred?
You know, and it often tells youwhat you need to know to be
able well, it can give youguidance about a situation or a
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person or an opportunity, but itcan also often tell you the
work you need to do yourself tobe able to make the most of
whatever's before you.
And when it comes to otherpeople, I don't, and that goes
into the chapter Don't Be a Dick.
The Ethics of Tarot is you don'task about other people's
intentions or try and dip intotheir energy.
That's like that's no good,that's not cool.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it's not the purpose.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So if you again it's not.
What does Fred think about me?
Is Fred going to leave his wife?
Is Fred Fred?
Fred?
No, no, this isn't Fred'sreading, this is your reading.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So what do I?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
need to know about dealing with Fred.
Yes, it's all bringing it backinward to you, yeah and because
that's the ultimate goal of areading, hopefully is to give
you agency to help empower youto make the best decisions for
yourself moving forward.
You don't want to abdicateresponsibility of your life to
some rando with cards, right?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, no, you don't.
You don't and that's one of thebeauties You're not a psychic.
You're not about telling people, like you said, you're going to
go meet so-and-so on this dayor you're going to die at 55 or
anything like that.
It's not, it's not about that.
It's actually, I find it muchmore personal and personal
growth and so, honestly, muchmore powerful, because so many
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people say, you know, psychicsare crazy because so-and-so
tells you you're going to getcancer and die at 50.
And you want to be like, yeah,ok, no, but with tarot card
reading.
It's not about that, and soit's so much more about
reflecting inward for you andyou're just saying what you see.
So I would think you get alittle bit less of the.
You have no idea what you'retalking about, lady.
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You're crazy, or maybe I'mwrong.
Do you still get that?
Do you still get like you'rewoo?
You're crazy, you're a witch,you don't know anything?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean, I think that people who think that I don't
let that into my orbit, so Idon't hear about that because
I'm not attracting that kind ofenergy of those kinds of people.
I do go to a ton of events,especially with the dudes, where
they're sitting there armscrossed like okay, which tell me
what's up, let's see what yougot, and I love it.
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I just like okay, babe, let'sdo it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And by the end.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I have to say, like, get out of my chair, I have
other people waiting.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Your time is up, you can book a session Because they
just want to can I ask anotherone?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Can I ask another one ?
So you know I'm happy to readskeptics.
You have to at least, though,be a little bit open to it, and
I think anyone sitting in thechair is at least a little open
to it.
And I think my approach I callit woo-woo without the cuckoo it
puts people at ease, and theway I read the cards and the
stories I tell and I like tokeep it light and have humor,
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but it's also gets very deep andpersonal, and it can call you
on your stuff, you know, yeah,but it's never saying like this
sucks, see you later.
It's more like, ok, you're init now.
Here's what you need to know tohelp you navigate through Right
.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Right, and when you do readings because I've done
them with you before, it's likeyou give that you'll say one
card and be like OK, that's whatthis says.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What's your strategy there?
It depends on how many people.
If it's a more intimategathering, then they can ask a
few questions.
I pull a few cards for eachquestion, but it's never usually
more than three cards for aquestion.
I usually I don't know why, butit's either one or three cards,
never two, never five or fourLike it's usually one or three,
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and one card can give you plenty.
If there's a lineup, whichthere usually is, because I'll
get some people side-eyeing mewalking around, but as soon as I
get one brave butt in the seat,then off to the races and
there's a lineup and becausethen everyone tells everyone
else too, and they're like oh itwasn't scary.
Oh, you're not crying, oh, I'llgive it a shot.
And in those instances it'susually just one card, and I
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just stare at them awkwardlywhile I shuffle the deck, get
their mojo in there and then Igo okay, fan them out before
them, ask what do I need to knowright now?
And pull any card, let me seeit first.
And sometimes I I'll say, okay,I need another card for clarity
and I know if I'm alreadypulling another card, okay, give
me one more, because it'susually one or three.
Yes, yes, you know, it can beone minute or a few minutes for
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events.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, it's interesting that you say the one
or three, because in theinterior design world, like,
everything is always in threes,like you never have, just like.
Like, if you're doing agrouping of something, it's
never just like two candles,it's three candles, it's never
four.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
It's never two.
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's either one, three or five, depending on what
it is, but five is like five,is it?
So most things happen in thedesign world around three in
threes Interesting oh.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I don't know what that is or why that is or what
that means, but always in thedesign world it's always in
threes.
Like if I'm setting a table andI'm putting candles on the
table, I will put threes inthrees.
I'll put two groups of threesor I'll put one.
I'll never put two and two.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh my God, I'm going in my living room right after
this and I'm going to sortmyself out.
I'm faking already.
Oh no, that's not looking good.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I digress, that's a total side subject, but I
totally digress on that one.
Let's talk about the deck,because you have rituals around
the deck and can you talk aboutwhat those are and what those
maybe mean, like in terms oflike the shuffling and who
touches and cutting andspreading out, and there's like
you have your own rituals aroundthat.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, it sounds dirty when you're like who's touching
, there's cutting, yeah.
So with this deck I mean beforeany reading, whether it's one
card or whether I've had someonejust pull one card or done a
full reading Whenever I start areading I always start by
knocking on the deck and it'susually three times, like I'm
just thinking, yeah, I justautomatically do three and that
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just is like an energetic palatecleanser.
It's just sort of knocks outthe energy of the last reading.
And then I stare at the personand I shuffle the deck and I'm
not thinking anything.
I'm just sort of locked in onthem and they can be looking at
me or anywhere else, because itcan be very intense.
So I tell people you don't haveto look at me, you can look
wherever you want.
I'm locked in.
It's not a staring contest.
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For the reading.
I don't do reversals, which iswhere the cards are sometimes
upside down.
That's mainly because the witchwho taught me said it's an
energy thing, kind of like howsome people keep their money.
Well, you'd know, with like thefeng shui of it right, like it
just keeps the energy flowingcleanly, with the cards being
one way.
So I always just do it that wayand then I keep my cards in
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this little box that I've hadfor like 25 years now.
I mean, it's falling apart.
I actually have to do some TLCon it.
Before that it was wrapped in ascarf.
Before that it was in the box.
It came in for, like you know,the first 10 years and in terms
of cleansing it, I tell peopleyou can put it on a windowsill
under a full moon.
If you want, you can putcrystals on or around it.
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I don't do any of it.
Sometimes I remember You'relike the down and dirty reader.
Yeah, but usually, you know,they keep it on an altar, but
for me this little box that Istore it in is the altar.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And when you travel, I'm sure you do not check that
ever.
I'm sure it goes on with you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It's one time I did and I was like sick about it.
The entire trip I thought Iswear to God if someone goes in
and steals my bag or something,yeah, and then after that I
thought it's just not worth thestress.
I'll just keep this thing on myperson at all times when I
travel, for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And have you ever gone through the?
You know, through the TSA,whatever they call?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
it up in Canada and had them been like what is that
big box in your bag and hold itout A few times I've had people
like it goes through the littlescanner thing and you can see my
bag, it gets out and then itgoes back in and then it's there
for a second, and then it goesdown the other, the, and then it
goes down the other, the littleside thing where they're like
whose bag is this and I'm likeugh, and a few times people have
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said what is this?
And then I explained tarot cardsand the first time it happened
and I thought, oh God, I'm goingto get like deported or put in
a cell or something.
And by the end of it the ladywas like taking my business card
because she wanted to get areading.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I was going to say yes, you recorded recently in
the airport and you said likethe security people were staring
at you, like you were a littlelike unnerved by them.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But that was because I had a camera propped up on a
little tripod like on a shelfthing and I was doing a card of
the day tarot reading, so that'swhy they were probably looking
so like what in the hell is thislady doing?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It looked like I'd set up shop, got it All right.
Can you explain?
One other question related tothe cards, and then I'm moving
on.
You say to cut the deck withyour non-dominant hand.
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Again, that was a thing taught to me by Erica the
witch and it was because whenyou use your non-dominant hand,
it's kind of like a shortcut toyour intuition and so, and if
people get confused because I italways puts people they're just
like oh what?
Because I'll say like, okay,are you right or left-handed?
and they're like, uh, sort oflike it's like I didn't know
there would be questions notthat complicated and you know,
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if they, if they cut it withtheir oh no, that was the wrong
hand I'll'll say don't worryabout it, it's not a big deal,
but it's just again.
It's a ritual, but it's nothing.
That is a hard and fast rulewhere if you forget to cut the
deck or you cut it with thedominant hand, it's going to
mess up your reading on to otherthings.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I do have a question about intuition, because you
talk about this in the book,that sort of a stance that
everyone has a degree ofintuition to be able to read
cards for themselves.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that intuition issomething we all have and it's
just the volume might be turnedup a little louder for some
versus others, for whateverreason.
And it's about understandingthat these cards again, there's
nothing magical, they're justpieces of paper with pictures on
them and each one tells a storyand then when you put them
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together, they tell the story ofyou.
And if a card speaks to you ina certain way, makes you feel a
certain way and you have acertain like almost emotional
reaction to it, or a reaction oroh, this means that for me, and
you pay attention to that andnote that down so that you
remember it next time, and themore you start to like recognize
these things and listen to thembut, most importantly, trust
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them, that's when tarot reallygets cool, that's when it really
sort of starts to sing.
You know, these cards can be aprompt for your intuition
because it just if you pull acard in the morning and look at
it and just sort of take itsmessage into your day and then
reflect at the end of the day,you'll start to see how that
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message kind of showed up inyour day.
You know, and it can also be acreative prompt I do with Jen
Pasteloff.
She does these writingworkshops online and every so
often I'll drop into the Zoomand pull a card for people and
just show it to them and thenthat's a writing prompt.
So it can be a creativeexercise and they know nothing
about the card and what it means.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's pretty cool thedifferent uses for it.
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Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Including intuition.
Including intuition, but didyou find, while you were
evolving as a chair reader, wasthere like an event or something
that happened that you're like,oh my goodness, I think I
really am intuitive, I think Ireally have a gift, or was it
just it grew over time?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
no-transcript.
So yeah, it was gradual for meOkay.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm a late bloomer.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah Well, I'm 55 too .
We're all late bloomers.
We're figuring it out later inlife.
Yes, okay, I like that.
I'm a late bloomer.
Yeah Well, I'm 55 too.
We're all late bloomers.
We're figuring it out later inlife.
Yes, yes, all right.
So I would love to switch gearsand talk about, kind of, what
else is on your bucket list,what is on the future that you,
things that you want to do,experiences you want to have,
how you want to grow yourbusiness, what's kind of out
there, because the more we putit out into the universe, the
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more it will start to come.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yes, that is absolutely correct.
What I am focusing on, myintention now is to increase my
platform, increase my presence,get these tools in the hands of
as many people as possible,because I know how effective
they can be, whether it's tarotor rituals or crystals or
whatever and I do.
I lead retreat weekends atCanyon Ranch Spa in the States
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in California, and I love that,and I was in Bali and
participated in a retreat andI'm looking at going to Europe
next summer to do a couple ofretreats.
I led a retreat, a women'sretreat, here where I live, and
I was originally thinking likeif I could get 40 women for this
one day retreat, that'd bepretty cool.
We ended up selling out thevenue at 75, 80 women, wow, and
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it was an amazing day, I'm sure,of in-person ritual events
getting on a stage, speaking topeople, doing tarot for people
on the spot, like justintroducing this to people in a
new way.
I'm super passionate about it.
It really lights me up.
So, in addition to readings,obviously and I went to Google
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headquarters, you know, and theyhad this big event for their
sales force like 400 people fromaround the world, their entire
sales force and I was brought into give readings and it wasn't
just like entertainment, it was.
We are really focused.
The theme of this week thatwe're doing is lighting up
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everyone's inner, you know,purpose and potential and
letting them become their ownmanifestors, and like they were
talking that kind of talk and wewant you to support them in
that and it was so cool, like it, you know doing it in different
ways.
I work with a few businessowners who bring me in to do not
just work with them one-on-onebut also, you know, let's talk
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about the corporation.
Let's pull a card for Q1, q2,q3, q4 and see what shows up.
So cool yeah.
So just expanding in that wayand also so like validating too.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
You're like okay, wait, google cared.
Google cared about what you arepassionate about and the value
that you can deliver with tarotcards.
That's amazing.
Google was stoked.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
That's so cool, but it was mostly to just house
videos that I was putting on mywebsite.
And then, when I was at thisGoogle event because they own
YouTube, all of these YouTubetop execs I was pulling cards
for and they were saying, well,how's your YouTube?
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What are you doing on YouTube?
Do you do this?
And I was like don't look at myYouTube, guys, just stop.
It's embarrassing.
There's nothing on there.
There's a card of the day Itried it for, like in 2018 or
something, oh my goodness.
And they were saying, like youare missing out on a huge
opportunity, stop it.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
And so I'm dedicated to doing not just card of the
day, I do a card of the monthfor each astrology sign.
Oh, cool One thing I starteddoing that's really cool since
we last spoke and I've only doneit twice, so it's still new but
I pull a card for myself everyweek.
I don't post about it, but I do.
I do take note of how thatcard's message shows up in my
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week personally, and then at theend of the week I do a little
video about the story of likeokay, the card was this and
here's how it showed up.
And that's actually been kindof popular, I would think that's
very popular.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and it's pretty cool.
Yes, because I was going to askyou if the card, when you pull
the card of the day, do you feellike that message is
specifically for you or does itfeel like it's for a?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
broader audience.
It often feels like it's for me, more often than not, to the
point where I think why am Ieven posting this?
This isn't going to apply toanybody.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's obviously my message, yeah, but yet it does.
It applies to so many people.
I know it's wild.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
So Bali, are you going to go back to Bali?
But I think there are just somany other places to explore.
Yes, you know, and one thing Inoticed, because I had prepared
all of these little you knowpostcards, sort of expanded
business cards and things that Iwas going to take to retreat
centers and the yoga barn andall these places to promote
myself to come back to leadretreats and stuff and as soon
as I got off the plane I waslike oh no, absolutely not.
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The Balinese do not need mecoming in telling them how to do
rituals like time to burn ourshit guys, absolutely not.
They've got it down.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, that is not for me to do.
It felt very like culturalappropriation, but kind of in a
in a flipped kind of way, nowtaking a bunch of babes and
going to the south of France orto Italy or to Greece and using
a beautiful location to do aweekend or a week of immersive
like rituals and tarot and youknow, stepping into the best
(45:05):
version of yourself, healing oldwounds.
We're manifesting, we'rereleasing, we're doing it all
that I'm into.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I am so into that too , so I follow you.
I will be 100% on board,because I think that's just
really cool.
And one of the other coolthings that you talk about when
you do these retreats and theseevents are the women and I don't
want to just exclude men, butlet's just say women, the
powerful women that you areattracting into your life.
(45:33):
Is that just like pinch me?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
amazing.
I'm obsessed with women.
I love women, to be able towork with them and to be able to
learn from them and just seethe power that happens when we
gather together.
It is a very specific thing towomen, it's the coven of it all,
it is, and so to be able tolead and also be a participant
(45:59):
in those kinds of gatherings hasbeen.
It's unbelievable.
I have so many you know friendsor like groups of friends,
where we have these conjuringsessions Every week.
I have multiple I call themconjuring sessions on the Zoom,
where we just talk about likeaccountability and what we're
working on, and it's not aboutlike, how are the kids?
It's like, okay, how's thatcore wound going?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Like what happened since last time.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, there's no small talk.
You know like I'm done withsmall talk.
I don't have it in me.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh, I'm so with you.
You get to a certain age and acertain personal development
that you're like I can't wastethe energy on that, it's just
not going to do anything for me.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Not benefiting anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, no, thank you, no, thank you.
You are so beautiful.
Okay, before we go, onequestion and then if you would
be willing to pull a card forthe audience.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I would love I was going to say it better be.
Can I pull a card Of?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
course, yeah, of course no.
But my other, my question,before you pull a card, is is
there anything that I didn't askyou, that you want to make sure
you get out to the audience andyou want to communicate, did I
miss anything?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I don't think so.
You're a fantastic interviewer.
I mean just really pushing theidea that the magic is in you,
in everyone listening.
You know it's wonderful to havea tarot reading with me or
another.
You know it's wonderful to havea tarot reading with me or
another, you know tarot reader,to get a psychic reading,
astrology reading, whateverfloats your boat.
But you can also buy my bookand just pick a page, or you can
get your own deck and just gofor it yourself.
(47:26):
You know it's nothing.
You don't need to permission,you don't need to think, oh, I
haven't been doing it fordecades like she has.
That doesn't matter.
I just I'm slow and steady,like that's me.
I'm the, I'm the tortoise, notthe hare when it comes to this
stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
So just, these tools are there, so take advantage of
them, which is a really powerfulmessage, because I have seen
you on other shows and listen toyou and sometimes the host will
be like, oh yeah, I pulledcards before and I kind of just
felt like who am I to pull cards?
Like I don't feel like I'mintuitive and who am I to do
(48:02):
this?
I don't have any background inthis, who am I?
But I really found that yourbook and I was really happy to
know like I had the right kindof cards too.
I was pretty proud of myselfthat the cards I bought on
Amazon were like the right cards, because I was like, wait, I
might not.
Even I was like, wait, I mightnot.
Even I was like I might noteven have the standard cards.
I know so little about what I'mdoing that I might not even
have the standard cards, but Idid at least have the standard
cards and your book makes itreally inviting to just like
(48:25):
embrace the journey and just doit and I kind of have fun with
it.
I don't do it every day, but Ido it a lot and I just find it's
really fun.
So I thank you for that,because you took some of the
stigma away from the cards forme personally.
But that doesn't mean I won'tlike not still have readings,
because I still will Like wow,your readings are so powerful.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, and it's, and it's whatever you need when you
need it.
You know, sometimes you want afull enchilada and sometimes you
need just a little little taste.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yes, exactly, and sometimes when I pull a card I
don't really like it.
I'm like, well, why don't Ilike it?
Like, what about that nudge?
What about that nudge is makingit?
So I'm not so happy about thatcard.
And that, I think, is a lot oftimes where the power in the
message is it's like I didn'tlike it.
But that doesn't mean you getto put it back and be like I
want another one.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I mean you can, but probably that card's message is
pushing you to do somethingthat's going to make you
uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Correct, exactly, and so learning to just sit with
that and not have it be likeit's not going to tell me every
day that wealth is right aroundthe corner.
Right, and that's okay.
That's okay, that's life.
So, before we go, because I'vetaken up so much of your time,
if you wouldn't mind reading acard for the audience so they
can get a little bit of yourflavor.
That would be fantastic, yeah,okay.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
So I'm going to knock , so you'll hear me knock.
And now I'm doing the awkwardshuffle and stare Not awkward
shuffle, but I call it theawkward stare because I'm just
like Snoopy on the doghousestaring at you, okay.
So I'm just going to ask doesJeannie need to know right now?
Ooh, you got a juicy one.
So you have the star, and thestar is, for me, one of the
(49:58):
luckiest cards in the deck.
For me.
I have four luck cards wheel offortune, the world, the star,
the sun.
And it's never just handingover all the luck, it's offering
you a lesson to help.
Good and the bad and the uglyare all part of your path and
certain people, opportunities,experiences showing up for a
(50:21):
reason and a season, you knowpeople coming into your lives to
be the teacher, the student,the guide, the mirror, an
opportunity showing up, whetherit's 20 minutes or 20 years,
there's a reason for that.
That's your destiny.
And then what you choose to dowith it, because you have free
will, is often up to you.
So you can dance with it,ignore it, kick its ass, let it
kick your ass, learn from it.
But the star is saying don'tget too caught up in trying to
(50:42):
figure out, like what's themeaning, what's the message,
what's the purpose of the?
Instead, grab that luckystardust, shove it in your
pocket, hit the road and go doyour thing, and then there's
usually perspective down theroad where you look back and say
all right, I get it.
Okay, that actually makes sense.
And we always want to know inadvance rather than retrospect
and that's not how it works.
Now for you, Jean, I'm going togo a little deeper.
(51:02):
I don't always, but I want tofor you, and this one there's
deeper interpretations in thebook too is to just remember
that we are born alone and wedie alone, and from the moment
we're born to the moment we pass, it's like our souls join hands
with other souls, whether it'sparents, partners, teachers,
lovers, and we often walk sideby side, hand in hand, from
start to finish.
Every so often there's twistsand turns, oopsie, daisies.
(51:25):
You figure it out in the end.
Sometimes you know you part andthen you find each other
further along the path, but moreoften than not it's like you
know what our work here is done.
I'll catch you on the flip side, Not if you go in different
directions.
What the star is reminding youis that the path you are on is a
singular path.
We are all on an individualpath.
You can't be pulling someonealong their path or yanking them
(51:48):
onto your path, even when it'sobvious you know better, because
it screws with their karma.
You know, I'm learning thisstill the hard way with my kids,
like even when it comes from aprotective or loving place.
It can prolong or enlarge thelessons that other people need
to learn when you try to carrythe burdens that are not yours
to bear.
So all we can do is have ahandout to say, hey, I'm here if
(52:11):
you want to walk alongside meon our respective paths and hold
hands but I can't pull youalong your path, I'm not yanking
you onto my path and I will notwait.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I love that.
And do you see howunderstanding?
Yes, right, yes, it's reallypowerful we can't be living
everyone's lives for them.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yes, and knowing the role of destiny and free will.
Understanding all of that iswhat helps you access the luck
that's available with this star.
It's almost like it unlocks theluck that is so good, makes
sense.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I'm going to go back and create a little snippet of
this for myself so I can listento it again and again.
It totally makes sense.
It's so powerful.
I absolutely love it.
And someone said to me recently, like looking at a relationship
as what's your soul contractand just looking at it a little
bit differently.
So it's interesting that youbrought that up, because that's
right along a similar line there.
Everybody you have to go buyher books.
(53:18):
They are just, they will makeyou laugh, they will educate you
, they will expand yourknowledge and they are so fun.
So thank you for taking thetime to be on the show.
I wish you all the best withthe rest of summer and as we
move into the fall.
I can't wait to see yourretreats and europe next year.
Oh, my goodness, count me in.
I am so there.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So fun, right?
Thank you, this was a pleasure.
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Thank you.
Have a beautiful rest of yourday.
Thank you for joining us foranother episode of the House of
Jermar podcast where wellnessstarts within.
We appreciate you being a partof our community and hope you
felt inspired and motivated byour guest.
If you enjoyed this episode,please write us a review and
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