July 31, 2025 • 60 mins
What if creating a wellness practice was less about following someone else's routine and more about discovering what truly resonates with you? In this soul-nourishing conversation, Jeanne Collins welcomes returning guest Sue Saller for an intimate exploration of how we can cultivate genuine wellness by honoring our unique needs.
Sue, author and host of the "Small Steps, Big Wins" podcast, shares her journey through post-traumatic growth and how she's learned to quiet the constant noise of modern life. Together, Jeanne and Sue unpack the powerful yet simple practices that have transformed their wellbeing—journaling to anchor themselves, breathwork to open new possibilities, and nature walks to restore perspective. What's most refreshing is their emphasis on grace and permission; wellness isn't about perfection but consistency in whatever form serves you best.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when they distinguish between intuition-based and fear-based decisions. Sue offers a brilliant insight: intuition often comes when opportunities find you rather than when you force circumstances. This perspective shift alone could transform how we navigate life's crossroads. They also challenge the outdated notion that we must find one purpose and stick with it for decades. Instead, they suggest embracing how our purpose naturally evolves through different life seasons—a liberating concept for anyone feeling stuck or uncertain about their path.
Whether you're overwhelmed by wellness trends, questioning your direction, or simply seeking more peace in your daily experience, this conversation offers gentle wisdom and practical steps forward. Tune in to discover how small, intentional practices can lead to profound inner change, and why your evolving purpose might be the greatest gift you give yourself.
Sue's book: Small Steps Big Wins: Use Your Traumas and Challenges to Transform Your Life
More about Sue:
Susan Saller is a writer, speaker, small business operator, coach, and host of the Small Steps, Big Wins Podcast. Her journey from a life of control to one of self-love and acceptance was inspired by her own struggles and the guidance of her coach. Now, she empowers others to embrace transformation and take bold steps toward personal growth. With a diverse background ranging from teaching to financial advising to small business operations, Susan is dedicated to inspiring and supporting others on their own paths to success. She resides in Davenport, Iowa.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The one thing about creating a wellness program for
yourself is creating something.
That number one you know you'regoing to do.
Number two it's what you need.
It's not what somebody elsetells you you think you need.
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You can listen to all thesedifferent things, but you lean
into the one that resonates themost.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Welcome to the House of Germar podcast where wellness
starts within.
The House of Germar is alifestyle brand, empowering
women to live all in throughinterior design and personal
wellness.
We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
possible in their homes andlives and then create it.
We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
(00:53):
million women to live all in.
I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
Welcome to the House of Jormarpodcast where wellness starts
within.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have our first
guest who is a returning guest.
We have Sue Saller on the show.
(01:13):
She is such an amazing woman.
I've been on her show.
She has a podcast called SmallSteps, big Wins.
She has a book under the sametitle.
I've been on her show, she'sbeen on mine and we decided that
we wanted to get together againto just chat.
So this is going to be a littlebit different format than
normal, but, sue, I am soexcited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh, me too, Jean.
I was counting the moments tillwe did this, and so we were
talking beforehand.
We're still all smiles fromthat conversation, so let's just
continue.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm excited we are, we are.
So the beauty of thisconversation is we decided to
have a chat because we are bothpodcast hosts, we are both
coaches, we are both authors aswell, and so we, every time we
get together and we get on thephone and we hop on a Zoom call,
we just talk and talk, and talkand talk, and there's no lack
of stuff to talk about.
(02:00):
However, when we were talkinglast, it was kind of like we
should be recording this becausethis could be valuable to our
listeners and we have a verysimilar platform.
We talk about very similarthings, we have a similar
audience, and so we just kind ofwanted to chat, and so I think
what we're going to talk aboutfirst, for everybody, we're
going to talk a little bit aboutwellness and we're going to
(02:21):
talk about mindset.
So why don't you, before we getdeep, why don't you share with
everybody a little bit aboutwhere you are right now in your
life and your journey towardsfiguring out who you are and
where you're going?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's not a small question, I know.
So, as you mentioned, I'm anauthor.
I'm a podcast host.
I have a podcast called SmallSteps, big Wins that's been
running for almost two and ahalf years now.
When I think about that, I go,wow, that's amazing.
I do have a book called SmallSteps, big Wins and that just
(02:57):
chronicled my experience throughpost-traumatic growth and how
my coach helped me get to whereI am today post-traumatic growth
and how my coach helped me getto where I am today.
And so if anybody's out thereand they feel like they are
stuck right where they are andthey don't think they can do big
things, grab a copy of my book,because there's a lot of
practical tips and applicationin there for you to kind of
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maybe get you a little unstuck.
So writing a book as you foundprobably Jean is very cathartic.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's therapy, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It was.
It was therapy and it wasn'tdone to produce massive amounts
of money.
But my thought behind it was ifI can help one person, 10
people, 20 people by my storythen it was 20 more people that
were helped than if I had keptthis story inside.
So that was completed last year.
(03:51):
Where I'm at right now is I amjust leaning into and listening
to the small still whisperthat's going on inside my
universe and asking myself everyday what is my purpose?
Why am I here?
What is my best highest calling?
And looking to see where thattakes me and how I can lean into
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that creativity.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So how are you doing that?
How are you listening?
What specifically do you do totry to accomplish that?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, that's a great question, because we live in an
age where there's so much noiseand so much distraction and I
will be the first to tell you, Iam often distracted and I'm
often sidetracked by the noise.
So what I've been leaning intolately is a couple of different
things.
One I have definitely picked upmy journaling more.
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I have journaled for the lastoh, I would say, three years,
sometimes very consistently,sometimes not, and I find when
I'm not journaling I step out ofmyself and I kind of forget
where I am.
So it's a little woo there.
But journaling is a way toanchor and ground.
It's also a way to get all ofthe things that are swirling
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around inside of your head outonto paper and you can process
it a little bit differently.
So journaling is one of thoseanchoring oh, I can't think of
the word Tools Tools, thank youthat are helping.
The next one is I haverediscovered breathwork and you
and I have a common contact,christopher August, who has a
(05:38):
breathwork app called Beats andBreath, and I've been leaning
into that as well.
He was on my podcast and evenbefore that I started studying
the importance of breathwork andhow you can really get grounded
with yourself and you can openup just different thoughts,
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different possibilities,literally by breathing and
breathing certain ways.
And so I was also introduced tobreathwork in my coaching
program.
I'm a certified heroic coachand within that we also use
breathwork as a way to helpclients overcome obstacles and
difficulties and just as a wayto get quiet with oneself.
(06:23):
So breath work, definitely.
So we've got journaling.
I've got breath work in there.
I've been getting out in naturemore, so just walking.
It is incredible what exercisedoes for the body.
I mean, I've always been arunner and I've run inside,
primarily on a treadmill, but Ihave been blessed with the
opportunity to be able to walkin my own backyard literally for
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miles, and so getting out towalk in nature has also been
another tool that I've used toget grounded.
So those are the top three.
I'm sure I'll think ofsomething else while we're
talking.
So let me ask you about thosethree because, from a let's call
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it ritual time commitment forthese things, how much time are
you devoting every day tojournaling?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
breathwork being in nature.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, nature.
I'll start with the last onefirst.
Nature tends to get pretty easyfor me because I have a dog, so
when I take him out and walk,it counts.
It's a double whammy, it counts.
Love it, yeah.
Sometimes three times a day,depending on how nice it is.
He likes his morning walk, andsometimes I just get out after
lunch and walk for 15 minutes.
It doesn't even have to be along, long walk, it just has to
be out in the sunlight and justmovement.
Yes, so that's one.
The breath work it's eitherbreath work or meditation as
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well.
I have a meditation app,usually 10 minutes, although
yesterday I sat for almost anhour and a half in silence and I
just made myself do it.
And that was the other thing.
Jean, like just saying, I'mgoing to make this time for
myself.
I mean, that's a huge stepright there, because we can know
(08:13):
things in theory, but when weactually put them into practice
that's a different story.
Yeah, and then journaling.
I have to say I don't do itevery day, but when I'm inspired
I will sit and write 10 minutes, five minutes, whatever thought
was on my mind, just to get itout on the paper.
But I shoot for at least threetimes, if not four times, a week
(08:33):
you and I both do a lot ofthings.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We do a lot of the things right and we've met a lot
of people that do a lot ofthings, and so we dabble in lots
of things when it comes towellness, and I think sometimes
for people that aren't in ourshoes, it feels very
overwhelming when I go throughthe list of journaling,
meditating, breathing,exercising, right All these
things that we do.
It feels very overwhelming andthat's why I was curious.
(09:07):
I didn't know your answer forthe amount of time that you
committed to it, but it's veryinteresting how little you might
be giving to those things onany given day and it can change
on any given day but yet you'refinding that they are impactful.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yes, yeah, that's exactly correct.
I mean, it didn't start for me.
Well, actually it started forme with the Miracle Morning.
That's what started all of this.
I had really no mechanisms inplace.
I had no rituals in place, no,any kind of routines, nothing
for a long time.
(09:44):
And you know, there was justsomething in my soul that woke
up one morning and say, you know, there's, there's, there must
be something to these routines,because I was coming across
people that were doing them andthey were moving the needle in
their lives in a way that Iwasn't experiencing.
I'm like, hmm, I wonder ifthey're I could be doing
something that they are.
(10:05):
That's going to help me as well.
And it does come back to smallsteps, to big wins, because I
started with one thing.
I read the book Miracle Morningfor Millionaires, and if you're
familiar your listeners arefamiliar with the Miracle
Morning series.
It's the savers.
There are five things that youdo daily that you don't have to
commit a lot to, and I juststarted with that.
(10:28):
That helped me.
Now that's evolved over theyears.
I don't do all of the savers,although every once in a while I
go back to them and I will doall of them.
Sometimes I do all of them incapacity.
I just don't check them off.
It just really depends.
The one thing about creating awellness program for yourself is
(10:49):
creating something.
That number one you know you'regoing to do.
Number two it's what you need.
It's not what somebody elsetells you you think you need.
Does that make sense?
Yes, you can listen to allthese different things, but you
lean into the one that resonatesthe most with you.
(11:13):
Yeah, you know there are somepeople that will say, oh well, I
do cold shower, I do the coldplunges, you know, and that's a
self.
That can be a form of self-careritual, right, that's not
appealing to me.
I don't think you're going tofind me in a tub of ice cubes,
however.
I will take a cold shower, butI won't get in those ice cubes,
(11:35):
but it works for them.
It's not going to.
That's not what my soul needs,right, you know.
So you have to start with thatone small thing.
So, if somebody is listeningand they're overwhelmed, they're
like I have no idea, my life ischaotic.
Well, ask yourself, get curious, ask yourself the question well
, where is my life chaotic?
And then why?
And then what's that fiveminute thing that you can do to
(12:00):
slow you down, to give you arespite from the chaos?
And then start listening andtry it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, and try it and then, if that doesn't work,
don't give up.
Yeah Right, try something else.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and try something else.
Yeah, and sometimes that thingthat does work after six months
isn't working anymore, andthat's okay.
That's.
The one thing I had to learn,jean, was that I would get into
a rhythm of something and thenit really wasn't serving me
anymore, but I'd still keepdoing it, and it's giving
yourself permission to walk awayfrom something that's not
(12:31):
productive anymore.
Right, yes?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, and you mentioned something else that I
feel like often I struggle with,which is feeling guilty about
not doing all the things andgiving yourself permission to do
the things that are the mostimpactful for you at any given
day.
And you know and I usemeditation as an example I
really enjoy meditation, but Idon't always have the time for
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meditation, and that might bebecause I spend more time
journaling and then, all of asudden, the window that I have
on my calendar blocked forjournaling and meditation is,
like you know, I'm left withlike 10 minutes, and that might
be it, and then maybe I choosethose 10 minutes to be on
Instagram instead.
But it's learning.
I had to go through thisprocess and I don't know if you
did too of learning to givemyself grace that all those
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things are valuable, but I don't.
I can have routines, I can haverituals.
All those things are valuable,but I don't necessarily have to
do every single one of themevery day in order to feel like
I am grounding myself.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah.
The one thing you said, jean,is grace.
To give ourselves grace to dothat, and I found me personally
in my own life.
I didn't give myself grace.
And if you couple grace withpermission, then whatever you do
, if that's something that isrefreshing or resets you, then
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that's the right thing to do,regardless of whether or not you
hit all the check boxes Right.
When you get done, it's walkingaway from that time and saying
I feel more refreshed, I feelbetter, I'm glad I did that
thing, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, whatever it is, and what comes into that, and
that what's threaded in ourconversation is our words to
ourselves, what we say mattersand how we use the English
language in the internal voicethat we tell ourselves matters.
(14:28):
If you tell yourself, oh well,I failed today because I didn't
do all.
I didn't do journaling, Ididn't do my meditation and I
didn't get my walk, or I onlygot two of those three things in
and you say, gosh, I didn't getthe other one, I failed at that
thing.
Well, of course, even saying it, I mean me, because I'm just in
tune to it, even me saying itfeels like a low energy, it
(14:53):
feels draining.
But if you turn it around andsay you know what I accomplished
my journaling and my meditationtoday, and I feel great, and
this is what was revealed to me.
Well, who cares whether or notyou got the walk in Right
Exactly, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It doesn't matter and you know what, jean?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
you asked me.
What else was I doing to leaninto the small still voice?
I just remembered it's lookingfor external signs from the
universe as well, signs from theuniverse as well.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So share more.
I love signs from the universe.
I ask every day.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I every day.
I'm like thank you, universe,for showing me signs, yeah, yeah
.
Now you asked me for a specificexample and I'm trying to.
Oh well, I can take, um, I cantake the most immediate one.
It's not grandiose or anything,but sometimes they just come in
small little nuggets and you'relike, oh, wow, okay, that that
made sense.
So I'm looking for the nextbest version of myself.
So I'm in the process ofputting my feelers out there and
(15:55):
deciding where I'm going to use, like where, what I'm going to
become.
So a couple of days ago I hadthis internal thought to myself
you know, maybe I had to reachout to a recruiter and see, and
I just, that was just.
It was like that third, it wasa three second pass through my
brain and I was like mommy, Idon't know about that.
(16:16):
Well, my partner says to metoday he's like you know, I
think maybe he says I was justthinking about this and maybe
you ought to reach out to arecruiter.
Or like you know, that came inmy mind a couple of days ago.
Are you sure I didn't say it?
He's like you didn't sayanything to me.
Okay, all right.
So you lean into, you findthose little coincidences that
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really aren't coincidences.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Correct no-transcript , you know, or it's just
(17:03):
something else where it reallyhelps, right, yeah, it does Well
and do you feel like quietingyourself has allowed you to be
more in tune with what is yourintuition Sure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Absolutely yeah.
How do you tell the?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
difference between intuition based decisions and
fear based decisions.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, that's a good one , let's go.
Okay, let me.
Let me give you an example ofin my own life, of a fear-based
decision, and then I'll I'lltell you about.
A fear-based decision for mewould be a decision made out of
desperation.
I would take a job that wasn'ttotally in alignment with who.
(17:44):
I am Right.
I knew it wasn't in alignment,but I did it anyway because I
needed a job.
I needed X, y and Z.
I wanted to do that thing.
That was a fear-based decision,even though you knew.
Even though I knew.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You could say you knew it wasn't the right thing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, I knew it wasn't the right thing, but it
was exciting to go do thechallenge anyway, yeah, and so I
think I'm the type of personthat I think I can do anything
even though I really can't.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, you can.
Don't talk to yourself likethat.
I can't Well, no All right?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I was just talking about words matter,
right?
Well, it's true, but it's not,jean.
I mean, think about it.
I'm not wired to be anaerospace engineer.
It's like it sounds really cool, but I'm just I'm not going to
go there.
I probably could do.
I'm not going to, I'm not wiredthat way.
I mean, there are things thatyou know we're all given gifts
and talents and nobody can beeverything a hundred percent
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across the board.
I do get these thoughts whereit's like, yeah, I want to go
try that thing, just to say Iwent and tried that thing, to go
see if I could do it.
And then you make a fear-baseddecision because you don't want
to say no, because it's exciting, or you don't want to say no
because you don't want to letsomebody down.
I mean, there's a whole host ofreasons of why you would make a
fear-based decision.
But to go back to your question, that fear-based decision, when
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you slow yourself down andlisten, it just doesn't feel
right in your soul, right?
There's something that's off.
That's what we would call thatgut instinct.
Yes, and that's what we don'tlisten to enough.
And you're going forward andyou're doing that thing, even
though you know that you are notoperating at your highest, best
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potential or you're notoperating in a positive
frequency that makes their highfrequency.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, an intuition baseddecision would be one where you
it resonates deeply and a lot oftimes it's an opportunity that
doesn't come, that you didn'tforce yourself into.
(19:51):
It came looking for you.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's a great distinction that the opportunity
came looking for you versussomething that you forced.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah.
So intuition-based would atleast for me, being a
manifesting generator, intuitionbased would be something that
comes my way, that I could havemanifested, but it was something
that I didn't force myself intoor I didn't manipulate either a
person or a circumstance to gothe way I wanted it to go,
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circumstance to go the way Iwanted it to go.
And I don't mean that in anegative kind of way.
I mean we all do it to somecapacity.
You know where we'll saysomething to somebody to kind of
get them to see our point, orto bend our way something like
that.
It's not malicious or anything,it's just that I would really
love that thing.
So I'm going to orchestrate theconversation so that that thing
can happen.
Right, so intuition based wouldbe.
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You didn't come looking for it.
It was like wow, this came outof nowhere, and then it
resonates in your soul.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah Well, and sometimes I also find the other
thing is the timing of it mightnot have happened at the time
that I thought it should orwould, and I had almost in some
instances let go of that thing,and then it comes back at a
different time and then you'relike ooh, that now feels much
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more aligned with my soulbecause it's not happening at
the time I thought it would.
Do you find?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Jean, when you look back, you're glad it didn't
happen earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh my goodness, yes, so, so, so glad, and I can say
that for my relationship, I cansay that for my career.
If I had gotten fired from myjob two years prior to when I
did, I don't think I would havemade the same choices in my path
, my future path, which hascompletely changed my life, if
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that had happened two yearsprior.
So it helps look at thatsituation, which is somewhat
negative, of getting.
Feeling like you're gettingfired is sometimes a very
negative feeling.
I can reflect back on that aswhat an incredible gift that it
happened at the time, that itdid happen, even though at the
time that it was happening Iwasn't so sure it was a gift.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I had the same experience.
I was also fired from a job andit was very liberating.
At first it was like damn, Ireally wanted to make this thing
work.
They don't like me.
Blah, blah, blah.
You go down that negative path.
And when I stopped myself andrealized, wait a minute, this is
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a blessing in disguise, I'mglad they fired me because now
all these other positive thingscan come out of it.
Once you turn a situation around, it changes your perspective
and we all have the ability totake any type of situation and
look for gratitude and bethankful for it, regardless of
what it is.
Yeah, and I know that might bea hard statement for some and
(22:59):
I'm not discounting grief, I'mnot discounting true tragedy,
that's not what I'm saying.
I'm not discounting truetragedy.
I'm not like.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not giving a blanket.
Hey, everybody, you have tofind gratitude and everything's
rosy, even if it's not.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying is, after youprocess, after we process
through whatever emotion we haveto process through, there's
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always the opportunity to findone thing that you're grateful
for in that circumstance.
And when we start training ourminds to look for gratefulness,
to look for thankfulness, thenit takes a very difficult
situation and makes it feellighter on the soul.
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And makes it feel lighter onthe soul Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, and I will say for our listeners, you are not
saying that lightly.
Your background if you haven'tlistened to our first episode,
go back and listen but you'renot saying that lightly.
And you share in your bookabout, you know, wanting to
commit suicide and being sounhappy in your life that you
wanted to end your life.
And that's a very heavy placeto be.
(24:08):
And so I have so much respectfor you because of how much
you've been able to work throughall of that.
And I will never forgetsomething you said on the first
podcast, which was that yourealized that you didn't want to
end life.
You just didn't want to be inthe life that you were in
anymore, and so you were able tochange your perspective to it's
(24:33):
about the circumstances of yourpresent life that you wanted to
end, not necessarily living inits totality and I think being
able to make that shift mentallyfor you was such a game changer
and so insightful for peoplethat are at a very difficult
(24:54):
crossroad in life.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah.
And I would add some days it'sa battle too, Jean.
I mean, some days I go back tothat, at least for me.
I can fall back into thatthought process, that suicidal
ideation where you think aboutgosh, you know, because I lived
in that space for so long.
I don't want to say I'm cured,I don't think that's it, Because
(25:23):
every once in a while it doescreep up, Right.
I don't think that's it becauseevery once in a while it does
creep up, Right.
But the difference is, when itdoes creep up, I course correct
a lot faster and I realize okay,this is just a thought.
I am not a compilation of mythoughts, my feelings, my ideas,
(25:44):
my emotions, Like they don't,they don't define me.
It takes a lot of on my part,it's taken a lot of work to
realize that I'm not those.
You know I'm not.
Uh, I just have to be, you know, I just have to live.
I have to stop forcing life theway I want it to go and instead
(26:05):
allow things to unfold for me.
Yeah, and embrace your journey,embrace the journey, embrace the
journey.
But those thoughts were realand those thoughts were yeah, I
mean, they were there, yeah,definitely, and that's a hard
place to be.
And that's a hard place to be,it's a very hard place to be,
because you can cross thatRubicon from theory to practice
(26:30):
into actually implementingsomething.
Where at some point, I actuallydid cross that, where it's like
, oh, I figured out how I coulddo this and succeed, right, and
I still didn't do it and I'mgrateful, but it's very real.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, and very raw.
It doesn't go away right, itgets less.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
when you realize, when you realize you can create
the life you want and you don'tattribute challenges and
difficult circumstances toyourself personally, then that's
when it starts to get easier Atleast that's what it did for me
and when I realized that I needto stop forcing and analyzing
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and defining and dissecting andcontrolling all these areas of
my life, then it's I realizedthat, you know, if something's
not going right, I have thedecision and power to change it,
and even if I can't changewhat's happening externally, I
can always change how I processit internally.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, which is such an important lesson.
Which is such an importantlesson and it ties back into
what we started with, which islearning how to quiet, learning
how to go inward, learning howto find space for yourself, to
process and for your best selfto come out and evolve in your
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journey, which is what we startout talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, and journaling has helped.
Journaling has helped becauseyou can go back and read your
thoughts at that moment, andthat has been very influential
for me.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Question just out of curiosity have you kept all of
your journals yes, I have or didyou get rid of them?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You have.
No, I have journals from 10years ago.
Interesting, which I mean, yes,I kept like a mom's journal
years and years and years ago.
Interesting, which I mean, yes,I kept like a mom's journal
years and years and years agoand then I stopped journaling
for a while and then I picked itup a couple of years ago.
But yes, I have them all.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's so interesting.
So I did for the longest time.
And then I had a podcast guest,Emma Mumford on.
She's known as the spiritualqueen over in the UK and she's
written multiple books and shebrought up a really interesting
point that I hadn't thoughtabout because I had some
journals that were specificallyfrom a really what felt very
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dark time in my life and I hadwanted a relationship to work
and it wasn't working and Iwasn't getting what I wanted and
I was journaling about it andtrying to manifest and thinking
and visualizing, and visualizing.
I did all the things to manifestthis relationship and this
partner that I wanted in lifeand none of it was working and
it was.
I was trying to force somethingat a time that was not the
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right time and I just didn't seeit at the time.
So I had a lot of journalsabout that time and about those
things and those journals arereally sad and filled with a lot
of negativity and grief and menot feeling worthy.
And Emma made the point thatthose journals contain a
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tremendous amount of negativeenergy and you should actually
get rid of them and you shouldrelease the negative energy from
those journals and I thought itwas really very interesting.
And so the last full moon Iactually did.
I went and I collected all ofthose journals and I decided,
okay, let's release all of those.
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And I was like I don't know ifit's right or wrong.
I don't know, yeah, I was justready.
I don't know if it's right orwrong, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, I was just ready to say there's no such
thing as right or wrong.
So I'm curious how did yourelease them?
And then, how did you feelafter they were released?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So I was going to burn them in the fire and so I
was going to, but then some ofthem had covers that were
plastic and I was a littleworried about like burning that
in the fire.
You know, some of them hadcovers that were plastic and I
was a little worried about likeburning that in the fire.
You know, some of them werelike coated and stuff, and so I
was a little worried about that.
So what I decided to do wasn'tas dramatic, but I sort of I put
them all in a pile and I sat onthe floor and I sat there and I
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put my hands on the journalsand I just kind of said to
myself like these served atremendous purpose in healing,
in my healing, in my growth andin my healing, but yet I'm ready
to release the pain of thosesituations and I don't need to
go back and read that.
I lived it, I know it.
So having it sit in my bedroomin particular, I decided, was
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negative.
So I put my hands over it, Isaid a little prayer and I put
them in a bag, I put them in thegarbage can and the next
morning they went away with thegarbage.
Man, how'd you feel after you?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
did that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I actually felt really good and I am in the
middle of this month.
I'm doing like anaccountability group, a health
and wellness accountabilitygroup and every day we have to
write what we do for self-care,for ourselves and you know, I do
a lot of things, so I don'twrite the things that I do every
day because I feel like thatdoesn't count and I literally
listed that as one of my thingsas part of my full moon ritual.
I decided to take those journalsand release them and some of
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the more positive ones I didlook through a little bit and
kind of looked at the dates andreflected back and was like, wow
, we've come such a long wayLike really just commending
myself on that growth Yep, sucha long way like really just
commending myself on that growth.
But I was like I don't needthis book that has that written
down to remind me of that.
I think I can find other waysto do that.
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And so it actually felt reallyhealing and that might work for
some people.
It might not work for others,but I kind of like it was kind
of healing for me.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, letting go of negative energy is just so
important for our mentalwellbeing, and physical too.
Yeah, Think of the word.
A friend of mine brought thisto my attention the other day.
Think of the word ease.
Right, when we do things withease, when I say I'm going to do
this difficult project withease, there's something about it
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that makes a task that could bedifficult a little lighter, a
little easier.
So take the word ease, let's goto the word disease
D-I-S-E-A-S-E dis-ease.
So where does disease come from?
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It comes from dis-ease withinthe body, Totally.
And so there are things outthere that we create for
ourselves because we takeourselves out of this ease and
cause disease, dis-ease and thethings.
Sometimes we hold onto thosethings and we tell ourselves
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those stories that may well inyour case, with the journals,
they were what you thought atthat time.
In my book I talk about storiesthat we tell ourselves that
happened 40 years prior.
They may or may not havehappened that way, right?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, it's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Interesting.
What we tell ourselves, what weremember of those stories
probably aren't even true, butyet we tell ourselves that story
over and over again, and thenthat's what creates the limiting
belief, that's what holds usback, that's what keeps us
grounded in the past, paralyzedin the present and then unable
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to move forward in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, because you're attaching yourself to the past.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
So let's get practical a minute, because we
like small steps, big wins, andwe like practical and we want to
take care of ourselves.
I guess my question for yourlisteners would be think about
that one thing in your liferight now that is holding you
back.
Think about something that youcan feel right now coming up in
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your soul that's keeping youstuck, and then ask yourself the
question is it attached to astory that might not even be as
accurate as I remember it?
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Talking about you know, letting it go, meditating,
breathing, thinking about thatthing and then committing it to
the past and don't allow it tohave power over you anymore, and
one thing that's reallyinteresting about doing those
types of exercises is trying toevaluate the things that are
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holding you back.
Are those things internallywithin yourself or things that
are controlled by externalforces?
And recognizing our ability tocontrol the external is not that
great, and many times theexternal is just the mirror that
is reflecting the internal.
So if it seems like it's anexternal thing, don't think
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about it by it being external.
Think about it as a mirror.
And what is that actuallyreflecting back about you
internally?
Because that's where the corestuff is.
It's internally within you.
Cool, I didn't think about thatAt all, because everything is a
mirror.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
External is mirroring back towards you.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I didn't think about that External is always
mirroring back.
It's just like energy, right?
So it's like mirror.
External is mirroring backtowards you.
I didn't think about that.
External is always mirroringback.
It's just like energy, right?
So it's like energy.
Think about the energy.
The higher your energyvibration is, the more you're
going to attract other thingsinto your life at that high
energy vibration.
If you're at a low energyvibration, that is 100% what
you're going to be attracting,because you're vibrating at a
low frequency.
You're going to be attractingthings at a low frequency.
The mirror is the same thing.
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Everything that's happening inyour external world is actually
just a reflection of what'shappening in your internal world
.
And so if you're strugglingwith something externally,
really think about it, likelooking at yourself with an
internal mirror, and it's notabout that external person or
thing, it's about you and howyou are processing that thing or
how that thing is impacting you, and really digging into the
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why, why is a very interestingquestion to ask oneself, isn't
it?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Before I go down that road, I want to ask you, jane,
what do you do to keep yourselfin a positive state of mind?
We've talked off and on nowabout resonating at a positive
or high frequency versus lowfrequency vibration, and what do
you do for yourself to makesure you stay in that positive,
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high frequency, high energyworld?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So I do a couple of things.
So first is an awareness ofwhere my energy is at any given
point in time no-transcript.
(37:31):
So if I feel like I have lowenergy, I will do one of three
things normally.
First will be to journal and Iwill sit down and I will journal
about everything I'm gratefulfor.
And I will force myself tojournal about everything I'm
grateful for for three to fiveminutes nonstop, just free form
writing, and I find that startsto raise my vibration up, just
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because you start to be in amore positive place.
Then I'll also journal aboutthe future me that I want to
become, and how does that personlook and feel and what does
that life look like.
Because we all have goals,we're all striving to build or
design or do something, and soit's allowing my brain to live
in that future state, in thepresent state, and that also
helps me raise my vibration.
And then I also do two otherthings.
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One I have a trampoline.
You go jump on a trampoline.
It's like being a child.
Not only is it really good foryour lymphatic system and your
nervous system, but if youreally get into it and you turn
on some loud music, it remindsme of being a child and the
freedom of jumping, and so it's,and it's exercise as well.
So I do that.
Or, like you said, nature ifI'm having a down day, I go out
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for a walk and I really findlike getting connected with the
ground, getting connected withnature.
And I really find like gettingconnected with the ground,
getting connected with nature,being reminded of just the
beauty that surrounds our lives,helps me raise my energy.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, and the walks, just so that anyone listening
understand, like this is whereI'm coming from.
I'm sure you're coming from aswell.
There's no phones, there's nonoise.
There's no phones, there's nonoise, there's no distraction.
It is you go out in nature andyou look at the trees and
silence sometimes is verydifficult for people.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Painful.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Silence is painful, painfully difficult.
It is Painfully difficult.
Let's go back to that questionof why, how challenging that is
for us to ask that question.
Why?
Because that can be a scaryquestion, you know why.
What is your purpose on earth?
Why are you here?
What is your calling?
(39:36):
Even what, what and why?
So those W question words?
Yeah, and it's challengingsometimes to come up with the
answers, but the answers areoften found in the silence.
So we'll bring it back to wherewe started.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
The answers are often found in the silence.
And I also find, especially ifyou're talking about the subject
of why and purpose, I havelearned over the last five years
that what your purpose is atone point in time is not
necessarily what your purposewill be at a different point in
time.
And recognizing that, at leastin my opinion, it's not about
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seeking out the lifelong purpose.
It's about what is your purposeat this point in time in life.
What is your purpose at thispoint in time in life?
And when you look at it thatway and it's about okay, let's
look at it and understand yourpassions at this point in time
in life.
Because I'll just use myself foran example right, I mean, I
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worked in corporate America, allthe things, right.
And then when I left that and Ibecame an interior designer, I
could have easily said mypurpose is to design beautiful
things and to create luxuriousspaces.
Well, now, now I feel verypurpose driven towards
empowering women and doing thaton any platform that I possibly
can, which could be a podcast,could be speaking, it could be
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coaching, it could be a book, itcould be I don't even know but
that it's such an evolution inthe purpose at that point in
time.
But it's such an evolution inthe purpose at that point in
time and I think so many peopleare struggling to feel like they
have found their purpose and Ithink if we chunk it down to a
(41:22):
little bit smaller timeframes itmakes that task much less
daunting.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Jean, that's beautiful.
As you were saying that, I wasthinking like talking about our
purpose evolving and going fromone thing to another.
How liberating that is.
Even as you were saying it, Ihave to tell you I felt a
(41:45):
lightness on my end and alightness in my soul when you
said that, Because I think youand I I think we're the same age
, we're within a couple ofmonths of each other.
We grew up in a time where ourparents got a job.
They did that job for 30 years,yes, and their parents got a
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job, did that job for 30 yearsand lived for retirement, and so
that mentality was passed on tous.
You and me we're in our fifties,that you go get your job.
You stay at it for 30 years andthen you retire.
But what happened in your caseand my case is we're not doing
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the same job we started at 30years ago.
We're doing something different.
But what happens is you havethat generational imprint on
your mind that says, well,you're not doing what you're
supposed to be doing.
You don't have that job thatyou were doing for 30 years.
Now the brain's going to lookfor that it's looking for.
(42:51):
You've been generationallyconditioned to look for that
life quote.
Unquote lifelong purpose.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right, and people like us are like no, we're going
to take a different path.
Yeah, we're going to go adifferent way.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But it's also releasing that and understanding
that that belief system is justsomebody else's belief.
It's not your own Right, butit's the realization of that,
because some people believethings they don't even know why
they believe it or where it camefrom.
It was just because, oh,because mom and dad did it, or
(43:27):
grandma did it, or grandpa didit.
That's why we do it.
But when you start challengingthat belief and say, well, wait
a minute, I don't have to be thesame thing.
And the other test on that toreally throw us off would be
well, think about what you weredoing five years ago.
And if you were doing the samejob, suppose you were a teacher
and you were doing that fiveyears ago Well, what else in
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your life was happening at thattime?
And has that thing changedsince then?
Right, and you realize thatthis generational model of you
have to sit in a job and do itfor 30 years and then retire
really is horse crap.
It is Because life does change.
It does, and you can go in adifferent direction and that's
(44:10):
okay.
So I am so thankful, I'm sothankful you said that for
somebody like me who's stillsearching, and I'm like well, I
got to find that thing that I'mgoing to do for the next 10
years of my life.
No, that doesn't have to be.
You don't True?
I don't.
I just have to lean in to quietyourself enough to hear what
that authentic self inside issaying and what you're supposed
to go build and do and create,and then, run after start
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leaning into that and then, asthese opportunities flow that
you didn't force, that youdidn't go look for, as those
start coming your way, then youknow you're doing what you're
supposed to be doing, you're onthe right path, right?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yes, it just feels different it does.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So I'm so glad you're supposed to be doing.
You're on the right path.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, yes, it just feels different.
It does.
I'm so glad you said that itdoes, and I do ask the universe
every day to show me signs thatI'm on the right path, and lots
of people use lots of differentsigns.
For me, my signs are angelsigns and I always ask the
universe every day, especiallyif I'm struggling with something
.
I will ask the universe to showme angel signs if I am on, if
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I'm on the right path and I'm intune enough with myself to
pretty much be able to know whatmy intuition is and be able to
tap into that through a lot ofwork.
It took a long time to do thatand I do every day that I do ask
that like that.
I really consciously ask forthat.
I see them.
I adamantly see them.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And I have friends who are like.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I look for angel numbers and I never see them,
and I'm like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I must have seen like 10 of them in the last day.
I think when you start tellingyour brain to look for something
, it's going to find it, andthat's the reticular activating
system.
I mean, there's the sciencebehind that that supports that.
If you go looking for a red car, you're going to see all the
red cars.
You know, I bought a red carand I didn't see any red cars
anywhere until I bought a redcar.
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And now I see red RAV4severywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Everywhere I was like wow, I bought a car that
everybody else has.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
No, it's just that I started seeing it, and it's true
for the positive and thenegative.
If you start looking for allthe faults in people around you,
you're going to see the faults.
So if you're that type ofperson that you find you're
finding the faults all the time,ask yourself the question well,
wait a minute, why am I lookingfor the faults?
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And then change the narrative,find the positive, find one good
thing in everybody that youmeet.
Because there is there are goodthings in everybody, and there
are good things and you saidthis before finding the
gratitude.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
There are good things about every situation and I
don't know if you see that feelthis as an entrepreneur, but
I've really had to lean intothis over the last year.
When business doesn'tnecessarily come that you want,
hope, expect and are relying onfor your business, I have been
able to acknowledge that pausein the business as a positive to
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allow me to free up time tofocus on another growth area,
whether that be a growth withinmyself personally, a growth
within my health, more time toexercise, a growth within my
relationships, or more time towork kind of on the business or
on my future things.
Do you struggle with that samething?
Because I feel like as anentrepreneur, when that project
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doesn't come in, you're like Ireally wanted that revenue.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I really was excited about that.
I was excited about that clientand then you feel like it's a
loss.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But having to shift my mindset around that loss has
kind of been a game changer.
I will say for me personally inthe last year.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, 100%, everything.
You just said 100%.
And it's changing again.
It's changing the language.
It's not a loss, it's theuniverse giving you the
opportunity to pause, to lean in, because if that job came,
let's go down that road, saythat job that you really wanted
you didn't get.
If that job came then youprobably wouldn't have the time
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to lean into the thing that youreally needed to lean into and
fix, or do or create whatever todo that.
So, yes, a hundred, everythingyou just said.
100%, yes, I've seen it in myown life as well, and the thing
is this it is I think about itthis way you only have so much
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time and energy.
God or the universe, whateveryou want to believe has given
each and every one of uscapacity to only do so much, and
a lot of times things have tobe taken out in order for
something to come in, and I keepthat in mind when I think I
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quote unquote lose something orsomething went away or
something's not there, it'sbecause there's something better
coming along and the universeis getting my attention to free
up, my time to focus somewhereelse, which is what you've been
saying.
100%, yeah, absolutely.
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As an entrepreneur, yes, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
All right.
So before we run out of time, Iwant to make sure I get to ask
you something that I think isreally important for your
podcast, right?
Because this will air and Iwant people to go and watch your
podcast.
Please Can you share with ussome of the guests that you have
had?
It's been two and a half years,so that's a deep library of
guests, but a few of the gueststhat you found were the most
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impactful on you personally andwhy.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
The first one that comes to mind is Brian Johnson.
Brian Johnson is the founder ofHeroic and Heroic.
I'm a certified Heroic coach.
So through my interview withhim, learning about him,
learning about what he does andgoing through the 10-month-long
coaching program, thatprofoundly changed my life.
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So I was very thankful he wasone of the guests absolutely I'm
so, so grateful for.
I also referenced ChristopherAugust.
He's one of my more recentguests and he introduced me to
the depth of breathwork.
I already knew about breathwork, but he took it to the next
level and we had an amazingconversation.
(50:20):
So that also was anothermemorable guest.
Michael McLean would probablybe my third choice.
Michael McLean's anentrepreneur.
He, oh my God, he did so manydifferent things.
Just he just built alldifferent kinds of businesses
and just his mentality is just,he just has a.
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Can I say?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
badass mentality, I mean that's just you know.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
he's just a badass entrepreneur and I had the
opportunity to interview his12-year-old entrepreneurial
daughter on my podcast.
It was an incredibleconversation.
So not only did I interview him, but I interviewed her as well,
so that was a lot of fun.
So those are the top three thatcame to mind, although I
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probably could name 10 more if Igo down my list, because here's
the thing about being apodcaster and you probably have
seen this too, jean Everyconversation that you have, you
always walk away with a littlebit of that person and you
always learn something moreabout them and about yourself.
Yes, so it's really hard for meto say which one has been most
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impactful on me, because each ofmy guests have impacted my life
in some capacity and I'mgrateful for every single one of
them.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I could not agree more.
Yes, and it's a gift.
It is a gift to be able to havea podcast and to be able to
meet people and connect, andthat is how we met.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
It's a gift to have oh yeah, that's right it is.
And it's a gift to have peoplelisten.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes, it is Correct and to give an hour of their
time To give an hour of theirtime, you know, is a lot and to
let us share our wisdom and thewisdom of our guests with them
and in the hopes of inspiringand educating them, is truly,
it's truly a gift and one I feelvery fortunate for.
And as a result of me meetingyou, we have interviewed similar
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guests, we've shared someguests on each other's show and
gotten connected to some similarpeople and it's amazing how you
start to kind of build thislittle universe of people that
don't live where you live butyet have similar focuses,
similar grounding, a similarconnection that we do to really
wanting to grow and help otherpeople grow and to become the
best versions of ourselves andgo through this process and also
admit like it's not sunshineand roses every day, folks, it's
(52:42):
work.
It's work, but having acommunity of people that you can
call on and lean on during thatjourney.
I remember you and I also had aconversation about menopause.
We went kind of deep onmenopause last time we talked.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I think we were supposed to talk about that.
I think that's whatspringboarded this, and it was
the midlife crisis.
It's like what you go throughin your mid 50s.
Well, we'll just save it foranother time.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's a lot.
You can come on my podcast,we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
We can talk about menopause, exactly that's right,
because that does require smallsteps to big wins, because
there are so many components tothat and just actually just the
whole midlife crisisconversation is around that.
Yeah, and I think it actuallyties back into real quick what
we were talking about, where youhad you think you have to be in
this thing for 30 years or dothe same thing for 30 years?
Speaker 2 (53:35):
how much of that is fabricated.
Midlife crisis, right, exactly,yeah, well.
And also I think we're at adifferent age.
Back then people did retire at50, 55, 60, 65.
And now, the closer I don'tknow about you, but the closer I
get to 65, I'm like, oh wait, Ineed like a way longer runway,
because I financially can'tafford that yet.
But I can't even imagine Iwould be bored out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, I mean.
Retirement is not a word in myvocabulary.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Me neither.
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
It's just, you're just iterating into a next
version of yourself.
And really, retirement for me,if you want to put a definition
to it, is when I can wake up inthe morning and say this is what
I'm going to do today andnobody else controls my life.
Well, that's an entrepreneurtoo, but it's to a point where I
don't have to worry about money.
My income's taken care of.
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I've got things like I can sitaround and read for five hours,
right, you know that.
That's what.
I'm not.
Not there yet.
Or it's just creating a lifewhere you get paid for doing
something that you love.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Exactly Right, I say all the time I would do this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
There's no there's no time frame on that.
You know, if you're doingsomething that you love, that
you love, at 80 years old andyou're getting paid for it and
you're adding value to somebodyand you're still have all your
capacities at 80.
Great, who cares?
Yeah, like it's okay.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I know some 80 year olds who still work and
they do because they love it.
They just love it and they'regiving back and they're helping
other people and they're stayingbusy and they're keeping their
mind going and they just love itand they're like if I wasn't
working, I don't know what else.
And you know they haveflexibility, they have all the
other things.
It's not like, you know,they're not working.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
I know people in their seventies.
Same thing they're still,they're still going to work and
they're still doing it becausethey want to, because they're
like well, what else am I goingto do?
I can do this thing, and it'son my own terms and it's on my
of.
You know what's your definitionof retirement?
It's going to look prettysimilar, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
All right.
So before we jump off, I'mgoing to share one word that I
think is really impactful and Iwant to see if this word hits
you as well.
People talk about having goalsand often people are like my
goal is to be happy, and Ialways tell people that's a
crock of shit, that like can'tbe your goal, that's like not
enough.
That's not enough, folks.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Because it's not realistic.
No, happiness is a real, is amoving target right.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
So my latest thing that I journal about all the
time and really think about andI've been able to encompass
everything that I think I wantin life into this is wanting
freedoms and whatever freedomcan look like for you, and that
could be freedom of time,freedom of money, freedom of
choice, freedom of creativity.
It could be whatever you want,and I have really been focusing
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on the word freedom.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yes, that is my highest core value.
Whatever my next iteration is,or creating around that next
iteration is, or creating aroundthat it has to have freedom
baked into it.
It's got to fit under thatparameter.
And I would say to anyonelistening if you don't know what
your core values are or whatyour core beliefs are, start
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there.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
If you're wandering through life and you're not sure
where to, go yeah and sit withthose, sit in silence and let
those come to you if you don'thave them.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
All right, Jean.
So ask me, what's my bookrecommendation.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh, I get to ask you that.
Okay, because this is anon-traditional podcast.
Yes, what's your bookrecommendation?
Speaker 1 (57:00):
My book recommendation is to follow up
on that core value.
It's I'm actually interviewingthis author in a couple of weeks
value I'm actually interviewingthis author in a couple of
weeks.
It's called Be Bold.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Today by Lee Burgess.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Be Bold Today by Lee Burgess.
I'm halfway through it.
It is an amazing book.
It talks about how we cancreate boldness in our lives and
what that looks like, and howwe really dig into our souls and
go deep and we ask.
You know, she asked in the bookwhat are your core values, what
are your belief systems?
When you flush those out, itallows you to be not only
creative, but to lean into thoseareas that you should in your
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life, to become bold.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I love that.
I'm going to have to read thatbecause bold is one of the six
values of my business of theHouse of Jarmar Bold is one of
them.
Then she needs to get on yourpodcast.
Absolutely, I would love thatand I'm going to read her book.
So, thank you so much oh.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Sue.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
I love every time I get to spend with you.
Your energy is amazing.
Even on your lowest days yourenergy is so high and you have
so much insight and wisdom.
And everyone if you are notcurrently following Sue and her
podcast Small Steps, big Wins,you absolutely must go do that.
Follow subscribe rate review onApple and buy her book as well.
I read her book in a day and ahalf.
(58:13):
It was so good.
I was so engrossed in her storyand she's so inspiring.
So thank you, sue.
We will stay in touch and I'lltalk to you soon.
Yes, thank you.
Thank you as well.
Have a beautiful day.
Thank you for joining us foranother episode of the House of
Jermar podcast, where wellnessstarts within.
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The one thing about creating a wellness program for
yourself is creating something.
That number one you know you'regoing to do.
Number two it's what you need.
It's not what somebody elsetells you you think you need.
(00:20):
You can listen to all thesedifferent things, but you lean
into the one that resonates themost.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Welcome to the House of Germar podcast where wellness
starts within.
The House of Germar is alifestyle brand, empowering
women to live all in throughinterior design and personal
wellness.
We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
possible in their homes andlives and then create it.
We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
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million women to live all in.
I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
Welcome to the House of Jormarpodcast where wellness starts
within.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have our first
guest who is a returning guest.
We have Sue Saller on the show.
(01:13):
She is such an amazing woman.
I've been on her show.
She has a podcast called SmallSteps, big Wins.
She has a book under the sametitle.
I've been on her show, she'sbeen on mine and we decided that
we wanted to get together againto just chat.
So this is going to be a littlebit different format than
normal, but, sue, I am soexcited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh, me too, Jean.
I was counting the moments tillwe did this, and so we were
talking beforehand.
We're still all smiles fromthat conversation, so let's just
continue.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm excited we are, we are.
So the beauty of thisconversation is we decided to
have a chat because we are bothpodcast hosts, we are both
coaches, we are both authors aswell, and so we, every time we
get together and we get on thephone and we hop on a Zoom call,
we just talk and talk, and talkand talk, and there's no lack
of stuff to talk about.
(02:00):
However, when we were talkinglast, it was kind of like we
should be recording this becausethis could be valuable to our
listeners and we have a verysimilar platform.
We talk about very similarthings, we have a similar
audience, and so we just kind ofwanted to chat, and so I think
what we're going to talk aboutfirst, for everybody, we're
going to talk a little bit aboutwellness and we're going to
(02:21):
talk about mindset.
So why don't you, before we getdeep, why don't you share with
everybody a little bit aboutwhere you are right now in your
life and your journey towardsfiguring out who you are and
where you're going?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's not a small question, I know.
So, as you mentioned, I'm anauthor.
I'm a podcast host.
I have a podcast called SmallSteps, big Wins that's been
running for almost two and ahalf years now.
When I think about that, I go,wow, that's amazing.
I do have a book called SmallSteps, big Wins and that just
(02:57):
chronicled my experience throughpost-traumatic growth and how
my coach helped me get to whereI am today post-traumatic growth
and how my coach helped me getto where I am today.
And so if anybody's out thereand they feel like they are
stuck right where they are andthey don't think they can do big
things, grab a copy of my book,because there's a lot of
practical tips and applicationin there for you to kind of
(03:19):
maybe get you a little unstuck.
So writing a book as you foundprobably Jean is very cathartic.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's therapy, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It was.
It was therapy and it wasn'tdone to produce massive amounts
of money.
But my thought behind it was ifI can help one person, 10
people, 20 people by my storythen it was 20 more people that
were helped than if I had keptthis story inside.
So that was completed last year.
(03:51):
Where I'm at right now is I amjust leaning into and listening
to the small still whisperthat's going on inside my
universe and asking myself everyday what is my purpose?
Why am I here?
What is my best highest calling?
And looking to see where thattakes me and how I can lean into
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that creativity.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So how are you doing that?
How are you listening?
What specifically do you do totry to accomplish that?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, that's a great question, because we live in an
age where there's so much noiseand so much distraction and I
will be the first to tell you, Iam often distracted and I'm
often sidetracked by the noise.
So what I've been leaning intolately is a couple of different
things.
One I have definitely picked upmy journaling more.
(04:51):
I have journaled for the lastoh, I would say, three years,
sometimes very consistently,sometimes not, and I find when
I'm not journaling I step out ofmyself and I kind of forget
where I am.
So it's a little woo there.
But journaling is a way toanchor and ground.
It's also a way to get all ofthe things that are swirling
(05:14):
around inside of your head outonto paper and you can process
it a little bit differently.
So journaling is one of thoseanchoring oh, I can't think of
the word Tools Tools, thank youthat are helping.
The next one is I haverediscovered breathwork and you
and I have a common contact,christopher August, who has a
(05:38):
breathwork app called Beats andBreath, and I've been leaning
into that as well.
He was on my podcast and evenbefore that I started studying
the importance of breathwork andhow you can really get grounded
with yourself and you can openup just different thoughts,
(05:59):
different possibilities,literally by breathing and
breathing certain ways.
And so I was also introduced tobreathwork in my coaching
program.
I'm a certified heroic coachand within that we also use
breathwork as a way to helpclients overcome obstacles and
difficulties and just as a wayto get quiet with oneself.
(06:23):
So breath work, definitely.
So we've got journaling.
I've got breath work in there.
I've been getting out in naturemore, so just walking.
It is incredible what exercisedoes for the body.
I mean, I've always been arunner and I've run inside,
primarily on a treadmill, but Ihave been blessed with the
opportunity to be able to walkin my own backyard literally for
(06:46):
miles, and so getting out towalk in nature has also been
another tool that I've used toget grounded.
So those are the top three.
I'm sure I'll think ofsomething else while we're
talking.
So let me ask you about thosethree because, from a let's call
(07:25):
it ritual time commitment forthese things, how much time are
you devoting every day tojournaling?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
breathwork being in nature.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, nature.
I'll start with the last onefirst.
Nature tends to get pretty easyfor me because I have a dog, so
when I take him out and walk,it counts.
It's a double whammy, it counts.
Love it, yeah.
Sometimes three times a day,depending on how nice it is.
He likes his morning walk, andsometimes I just get out after
lunch and walk for 15 minutes.
It doesn't even have to be along, long walk, it just has to
be out in the sunlight and justmovement.
Yes, so that's one.
The breath work it's eitherbreath work or meditation as
(07:51):
well.
I have a meditation app,usually 10 minutes, although
yesterday I sat for almost anhour and a half in silence and I
just made myself do it.
And that was the other thing.
Jean, like just saying, I'mgoing to make this time for
myself.
I mean, that's a huge stepright there, because we can know
(08:13):
things in theory, but when weactually put them into practice
that's a different story.
Yeah, and then journaling.
I have to say I don't do itevery day, but when I'm inspired
I will sit and write 10 minutes, five minutes, whatever thought
was on my mind, just to get itout on the paper.
But I shoot for at least threetimes, if not four times, a week
(08:33):
you and I both do a lot ofthings.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We do a lot of the things right and we've met a lot
of people that do a lot ofthings, and so we dabble in lots
of things when it comes towellness, and I think sometimes
for people that aren't in ourshoes, it feels very
overwhelming when I go throughthe list of journaling,
meditating, breathing,exercising, right All these
things that we do.
It feels very overwhelming andthat's why I was curious.
(09:07):
I didn't know your answer forthe amount of time that you
committed to it, but it's veryinteresting how little you might
be giving to those things onany given day and it can change
on any given day but yet you'refinding that they are impactful.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yes, yeah, that's exactly correct.
I mean, it didn't start for me.
Well, actually it started forme with the Miracle Morning.
That's what started all of this.
I had really no mechanisms inplace.
I had no rituals in place, no,any kind of routines, nothing
for a long time.
(09:44):
And you know, there was justsomething in my soul that woke
up one morning and say, you know, there's, there's, there must
be something to these routines,because I was coming across
people that were doing them andthey were moving the needle in
their lives in a way that Iwasn't experiencing.
I'm like, hmm, I wonder ifthey're I could be doing
something that they are.
(10:05):
That's going to help me as well.
And it does come back to smallsteps, to big wins, because I
started with one thing.
I read the book Miracle Morningfor Millionaires, and if you're
familiar your listeners arefamiliar with the Miracle
Morning series.
It's the savers.
There are five things that youdo daily that you don't have to
commit a lot to, and I juststarted with that.
(10:28):
That helped me.
Now that's evolved over theyears.
I don't do all of the savers,although every once in a while I
go back to them and I will doall of them.
Sometimes I do all of them incapacity.
I just don't check them off.
It just really depends.
The one thing about creating awellness program for yourself is
(10:49):
creating something.
That number one you know you'regoing to do.
Number two it's what you need.
It's not what somebody elsetells you you think you need.
Does that make sense?
Yes, you can listen to allthese different things, but you
lean into the one that resonatesthe most with you.
(11:13):
Yeah, you know there are somepeople that will say, oh well, I
do cold shower, I do the coldplunges, you know, and that's a
self.
That can be a form of self-careritual, right, that's not
appealing to me.
I don't think you're going tofind me in a tub of ice cubes,
however.
I will take a cold shower, butI won't get in those ice cubes,
(11:35):
but it works for them.
It's not going to.
That's not what my soul needs,right, you know.
So you have to start with thatone small thing.
So, if somebody is listeningand they're overwhelmed, they're
like I have no idea, my life ischaotic.
Well, ask yourself, get curious, ask yourself the question well
, where is my life chaotic?
And then why?
And then what's that fiveminute thing that you can do to
(12:00):
slow you down, to give you arespite from the chaos?
And then start listening andtry it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, and try it and then, if that doesn't work,
don't give up.
Yeah Right, try something else.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and try something else.
Yeah, and sometimes that thingthat does work after six months
isn't working anymore, andthat's okay.
That's.
The one thing I had to learn,jean, was that I would get into
a rhythm of something and thenit really wasn't serving me
anymore, but I'd still keepdoing it, and it's giving
yourself permission to walk awayfrom something that's not
(12:31):
productive anymore.
Right, yes?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, and you mentioned something else that I
feel like often I struggle with,which is feeling guilty about
not doing all the things andgiving yourself permission to do
the things that are the mostimpactful for you at any given
day.
And you know and I usemeditation as an example I
really enjoy meditation, but Idon't always have the time for
(12:56):
meditation, and that might bebecause I spend more time
journaling and then, all of asudden, the window that I have
on my calendar blocked forjournaling and meditation is,
like you know, I'm left withlike 10 minutes, and that might
be it, and then maybe I choosethose 10 minutes to be on
Instagram instead.
But it's learning.
I had to go through thisprocess and I don't know if you
did too of learning to givemyself grace that all those
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things are valuable, but I don't.
I can have routines, I can haverituals.
All those things are valuable,but I don't necessarily have to
do every single one of themevery day in order to feel like
I am grounding myself.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah.
The one thing you said, jean,is grace.
To give ourselves grace to dothat, and I found me personally
in my own life.
I didn't give myself grace.
And if you couple grace withpermission, then whatever you do
, if that's something that isrefreshing or resets you, then
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that's the right thing to do,regardless of whether or not you
hit all the check boxes Right.
When you get done, it's walkingaway from that time and saying
I feel more refreshed, I feelbetter, I'm glad I did that
thing, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, whatever it is, and what comes into that, and
that what's threaded in ourconversation is our words to
ourselves, what we say mattersand how we use the English
language in the internal voicethat we tell ourselves matters.
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If you tell yourself, oh well,I failed today because I didn't
do all.
I didn't do journaling, Ididn't do my meditation and I
didn't get my walk, or I onlygot two of those three things in
and you say, gosh, I didn't getthe other one, I failed at that
thing.
Well, of course, even saying it, I mean me, because I'm just in
tune to it, even me saying itfeels like a low energy, it
(14:53):
feels draining.
But if you turn it around andsay you know what I accomplished
my journaling and my meditationtoday, and I feel great, and
this is what was revealed to me.
Well, who cares whether or notyou got the walk in Right
Exactly, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It doesn't matter and you know what, jean?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
you asked me.
What else was I doing to leaninto the small still voice?
I just remembered it's lookingfor external signs from the
universe as well, signs from theuniverse as well.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So share more.
I love signs from the universe.
I ask every day.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I every day.
I'm like thank you, universe,for showing me signs, yeah, yeah
.
Now you asked me for a specificexample and I'm trying to.
Oh well, I can take, um, I cantake the most immediate one.
It's not grandiose or anything,but sometimes they just come in
small little nuggets and you'relike, oh, wow, okay, that that
made sense.
So I'm looking for the nextbest version of myself.
So I'm in the process ofputting my feelers out there and
(15:55):
deciding where I'm going to use, like where, what I'm going to
become.
So a couple of days ago I hadthis internal thought to myself
you know, maybe I had to reachout to a recruiter and see, and
I just, that was just.
It was like that third, it wasa three second pass through my
brain and I was like mommy, Idon't know about that.
(16:16):
Well, my partner says to metoday he's like you know, I
think maybe he says I was justthinking about this and maybe
you ought to reach out to arecruiter.
Or like you know, that came inmy mind a couple of days ago.
Are you sure I didn't say it?
He's like you didn't sayanything to me.
Okay, all right.
So you lean into, you findthose little coincidences that
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really aren't coincidences.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Correct no-transcript , you know, or it's just
(17:03):
something else where it reallyhelps, right, yeah, it does Well
and do you feel like quietingyourself has allowed you to be
more in tune with what is yourintuition Sure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Absolutely yeah.
How do you tell the?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
difference between intuition based decisions and
fear based decisions.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, that's a good one , let's go.
Okay, let me.
Let me give you an example ofin my own life, of a fear-based
decision, and then I'll I'lltell you about.
A fear-based decision for mewould be a decision made out of
desperation.
I would take a job that wasn'ttotally in alignment with who.
(17:44):
I am Right.
I knew it wasn't in alignment,but I did it anyway because I
needed a job.
I needed X, y and Z.
I wanted to do that thing.
That was a fear-based decision,even though you knew.
Even though I knew.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You could say you knew it wasn't the right thing.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, I knew it wasn't the right thing, but it
was exciting to go do thechallenge anyway, yeah, and so I
think I'm the type of personthat I think I can do anything
even though I really can't.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, you can.
Don't talk to yourself likethat.
I can't Well, no All right?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I was just talking about words matter,
right?
Well, it's true, but it's not,jean.
I mean, think about it.
I'm not wired to be anaerospace engineer.
It's like it sounds really cool, but I'm just I'm not going to
go there.
I probably could do.
I'm not going to, I'm not wiredthat way.
I mean, there are things thatyou know we're all given gifts
and talents and nobody can beeverything a hundred percent
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across the board.
I do get these thoughts whereit's like, yeah, I want to go
try that thing, just to say Iwent and tried that thing, to go
see if I could do it.
And then you make a fear-baseddecision because you don't want
to say no, because it's exciting, or you don't want to say no
because you don't want to letsomebody down.
I mean, there's a whole host ofreasons of why you would make a
fear-based decision.
But to go back to your question, that fear-based decision, when
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you slow yourself down andlisten, it just doesn't feel
right in your soul, right?
There's something that's off.
That's what we would call thatgut instinct.
Yes, and that's what we don'tlisten to enough.
And you're going forward andyou're doing that thing, even
though you know that you are notoperating at your highest, best
(19:26):
potential or you're notoperating in a positive
frequency that makes their highfrequency.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, an intuition baseddecision would be one where you
it resonates deeply and a lot oftimes it's an opportunity that
doesn't come, that you didn'tforce yourself into.
(19:51):
It came looking for you.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's a great distinction that the opportunity
came looking for you versussomething that you forced.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah.
So intuition-based would atleast for me, being a
manifesting generator, intuitionbased would be something that
comes my way, that I could havemanifested, but it was something
that I didn't force myself intoor I didn't manipulate either a
person or a circumstance to gothe way I wanted it to go,
(20:30):
circumstance to go the way Iwanted it to go.
And I don't mean that in anegative kind of way.
I mean we all do it to somecapacity.
You know where we'll saysomething to somebody to kind of
get them to see our point, orto bend our way something like
that.
It's not malicious or anything,it's just that I would really
love that thing.
So I'm going to orchestrate theconversation so that that thing
can happen.
Right, so intuition based wouldbe.
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You didn't come looking for it.
It was like wow, this came outof nowhere, and then it
resonates in your soul.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah Well, and sometimes I also find the other
thing is the timing of it mightnot have happened at the time
that I thought it should orwould, and I had almost in some
instances let go of that thing,and then it comes back at a
different time and then you'relike ooh, that now feels much
(21:21):
more aligned with my soulbecause it's not happening at
the time I thought it would.
Do you find?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Jean, when you look back, you're glad it didn't
happen earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh my goodness, yes, so, so, so glad, and I can say
that for my relationship, I cansay that for my career.
If I had gotten fired from myjob two years prior to when I
did, I don't think I would havemade the same choices in my path
, my future path, which hascompletely changed my life, if
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that had happened two yearsprior.
So it helps look at thatsituation, which is somewhat
negative, of getting.
Feeling like you're gettingfired is sometimes a very
negative feeling.
I can reflect back on that aswhat an incredible gift that it
happened at the time, that itdid happen, even though at the
time that it was happening Iwasn't so sure it was a gift.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, I had the same experience.
I was also fired from a job andit was very liberating.
At first it was like damn, Ireally wanted to make this thing
work.
They don't like me.
Blah, blah, blah.
You go down that negative path.
And when I stopped myself andrealized, wait a minute, this is
(22:36):
a blessing in disguise, I'mglad they fired me because now
all these other positive thingscan come out of it.
Once you turn a situation around, it changes your perspective
and we all have the ability totake any type of situation and
look for gratitude and bethankful for it, regardless of
what it is.
Yeah, and I know that might bea hard statement for some and
(22:59):
I'm not discounting grief, I'mnot discounting true tragedy,
that's not what I'm saying.
I'm not discounting truetragedy.
I'm not like.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not giving a blanket.
Hey, everybody, you have tofind gratitude and everything's
rosy, even if it's not.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying is, after youprocess, after we process
through whatever emotion we haveto process through, there's
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always the opportunity to findone thing that you're grateful
for in that circumstance.
And when we start training ourminds to look for gratefulness,
to look for thankfulness, thenit takes a very difficult
situation and makes it feellighter on the soul.
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And makes it feel lighter onthe soul Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, and I will say for our listeners, you are not
saying that lightly.
Your background if you haven'tlistened to our first episode,
go back and listen but you'renot saying that lightly.
And you share in your bookabout, you know, wanting to
commit suicide and being sounhappy in your life that you
wanted to end your life.
And that's a very heavy placeto be.
(24:08):
And so I have so much respectfor you because of how much
you've been able to work throughall of that.
And I will never forgetsomething you said on the first
podcast, which was that yourealized that you didn't want to
end life.
You just didn't want to be inthe life that you were in
anymore, and so you were able tochange your perspective to it's
(24:33):
about the circumstances of yourpresent life that you wanted to
end, not necessarily living inits totality and I think being
able to make that shift mentallyfor you was such a game changer
and so insightful for peoplethat are at a very difficult
(24:54):
crossroad in life.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, yeah.
And I would add some days it'sa battle too, Jean.
I mean, some days I go back tothat, at least for me.
I can fall back into thatthought process, that suicidal
ideation where you think aboutgosh, you know, because I lived
in that space for so long.
I don't want to say I'm cured,I don't think that's it, Because
(25:23):
every once in a while it doescreep up, Right.
I don't think that's it becauseevery once in a while it does
creep up, Right.
But the difference is, when itdoes creep up, I course correct
a lot faster and I realize okay,this is just a thought.
I am not a compilation of mythoughts, my feelings, my ideas,
(25:44):
my emotions, Like they don't,they don't define me.
It takes a lot of on my part,it's taken a lot of work to
realize that I'm not those.
You know I'm not.
Uh, I just have to be, you know, I just have to live.
I have to stop forcing life theway I want it to go and instead
(26:05):
allow things to unfold for me.
Yeah, and embrace your journey,embrace the journey, embrace the
journey.
But those thoughts were realand those thoughts were yeah, I
mean, they were there, yeah,definitely, and that's a hard
place to be.
And that's a hard place to be,it's a very hard place to be,
because you can cross thatRubicon from theory to practice
(26:30):
into actually implementingsomething.
Where at some point, I actuallydid cross that, where it's like
, oh, I figured out how I coulddo this and succeed, right, and
I still didn't do it and I'mgrateful, but it's very real.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, and very raw.
It doesn't go away right, itgets less.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
when you realize, when you realize you can create
the life you want and you don'tattribute challenges and
difficult circumstances toyourself personally, then that's
when it starts to get easier Atleast that's what it did for me
and when I realized that I needto stop forcing and analyzing
(27:18):
and defining and dissecting andcontrolling all these areas of
my life, then it's I realizedthat, you know, if something's
not going right, I have thedecision and power to change it,
and even if I can't changewhat's happening externally, I
can always change how I processit internally.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, which is such an important lesson.
Which is such an importantlesson and it ties back into
what we started with, which islearning how to quiet, learning
how to go inward, learning howto find space for yourself, to
process and for your best selfto come out and evolve in your
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journey, which is what we startout talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, and journaling has helped.
Journaling has helped becauseyou can go back and read your
thoughts at that moment, andthat has been very influential
for me.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Question just out of curiosity have you kept all of
your journals yes, I have or didyou get rid of them?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You have.
No, I have journals from 10years ago.
Interesting, which I mean, yes,I kept like a mom's journal
years and years and years ago.
Interesting, which I mean, yes,I kept like a mom's journal
years and years and years agoand then I stopped journaling
for a while and then I picked itup a couple of years ago.
But yes, I have them all.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's so interesting.
So I did for the longest time.
And then I had a podcast guest,Emma Mumford on.
She's known as the spiritualqueen over in the UK and she's
written multiple books and shebrought up a really interesting
point that I hadn't thoughtabout because I had some
journals that were specificallyfrom a really what felt very
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dark time in my life and I hadwanted a relationship to work
and it wasn't working and Iwasn't getting what I wanted and
I was journaling about it andtrying to manifest and thinking
and visualizing, and visualizing.
I did all the things to manifestthis relationship and this
partner that I wanted in lifeand none of it was working and
it was.
I was trying to force somethingat a time that was not the
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right time and I just didn't seeit at the time.
So I had a lot of journalsabout that time and about those
things and those journals arereally sad and filled with a lot
of negativity and grief and menot feeling worthy.
And Emma made the point thatthose journals contain a
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tremendous amount of negativeenergy and you should actually
get rid of them and you shouldrelease the negative energy from
those journals and I thought itwas really very interesting.
And so the last full moon Iactually did.
I went and I collected all ofthose journals and I decided,
okay, let's release all of those.
(30:03):
And I was like I don't know ifit's right or wrong.
I don't know, yeah, I was justready.
I don't know if it's right orwrong, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, I was just ready to say there's no such
thing as right or wrong.
So I'm curious how did yourelease them?
And then, how did you feelafter they were released?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So I was going to burn them in the fire and so I
was going to, but then some ofthem had covers that were
plastic and I was a littleworried about like burning that
in the fire.
You know, some of them hadcovers that were plastic and I
was a little worried about likeburning that in the fire.
You know, some of them werelike coated and stuff, and so I
was a little worried about that.
So what I decided to do wasn'tas dramatic, but I sort of I put
them all in a pile and I sat onthe floor and I sat there and I
(30:39):
put my hands on the journalsand I just kind of said to
myself like these served atremendous purpose in healing,
in my healing, in my growth andin my healing, but yet I'm ready
to release the pain of thosesituations and I don't need to
go back and read that.
I lived it, I know it.
So having it sit in my bedroomin particular, I decided, was
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negative.
So I put my hands over it, Isaid a little prayer and I put
them in a bag, I put them in thegarbage can and the next
morning they went away with thegarbage.
Man, how'd you feel after you?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
did that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I actually felt really good and I am in the
middle of this month.
I'm doing like anaccountability group, a health
and wellness accountabilitygroup and every day we have to
write what we do for self-care,for ourselves and you know, I do
a lot of things, so I don'twrite the things that I do every
day because I feel like thatdoesn't count and I literally
listed that as one of my thingsas part of my full moon ritual.
I decided to take those journalsand release them and some of
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the more positive ones I didlook through a little bit and
kind of looked at the dates andreflected back and was like, wow
, we've come such a long wayLike really just commending
myself on that growth Yep, sucha long way like really just
commending myself on that growth.
But I was like I don't needthis book that has that written
down to remind me of that.
I think I can find other waysto do that.
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And so it actually felt reallyhealing and that might work for
some people.
It might not work for others,but I kind of like it was kind
of healing for me.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, letting go of negative energy is just so
important for our mentalwellbeing, and physical too.
Yeah, Think of the word.
A friend of mine brought thisto my attention the other day.
Think of the word ease.
Right, when we do things withease, when I say I'm going to do
this difficult project withease, there's something about it
(32:25):
that makes a task that could bedifficult a little lighter, a
little easier.
So take the word ease, let's goto the word disease
D-I-S-E-A-S-E dis-ease.
So where does disease come from?
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It comes from dis-ease withinthe body, Totally.
And so there are things outthere that we create for
ourselves because we takeourselves out of this ease and
cause disease, dis-ease and thethings.
Sometimes we hold onto thosethings and we tell ourselves
(33:07):
those stories that may well inyour case, with the journals,
they were what you thought atthat time.
In my book I talk about storiesthat we tell ourselves that
happened 40 years prior.
They may or may not havehappened that way, right?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, it's so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Interesting.
What we tell ourselves, what weremember of those stories
probably aren't even true, butyet we tell ourselves that story
over and over again, and thenthat's what creates the limiting
belief, that's what holds usback, that's what keeps us
grounded in the past, paralyzedin the present and then unable
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to move forward in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, because you're attaching yourself to the past.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
So let's get practical a minute, because we
like small steps, big wins, andwe like practical and we want to
take care of ourselves.
I guess my question for yourlisteners would be think about
that one thing in your liferight now that is holding you
back.
Think about something that youcan feel right now coming up in
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your soul that's keeping youstuck, and then ask yourself the
question is it attached to astory that might not even be as
accurate as I remember it?
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Talking about you know, letting it go, meditating,
breathing, thinking about thatthing and then committing it to
the past and don't allow it tohave power over you anymore, and
one thing that's reallyinteresting about doing those
types of exercises is trying toevaluate the things that are
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holding you back.
Are those things internallywithin yourself or things that
are controlled by externalforces?
And recognizing our ability tocontrol the external is not that
great, and many times theexternal is just the mirror that
is reflecting the internal.
So if it seems like it's anexternal thing, don't think
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about it by it being external.
Think about it as a mirror.
And what is that actuallyreflecting back about you
internally?
Because that's where the corestuff is.
It's internally within you.
Cool, I didn't think about thatAt all, because everything is a
mirror.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
External is mirroring back towards you.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I didn't think about that External is always
mirroring back.
It's just like energy, right?
So it's like mirror.
External is mirroring backtowards you.
I didn't think about that.
External is always mirroringback.
It's just like energy, right?
So it's like energy.
Think about the energy.
The higher your energyvibration is, the more you're
going to attract other thingsinto your life at that high
energy vibration.
If you're at a low energyvibration, that is 100% what
you're going to be attracting,because you're vibrating at a
low frequency.
You're going to be attractingthings at a low frequency.
The mirror is the same thing.
(36:07):
Everything that's happening inyour external world is actually
just a reflection of what'shappening in your internal world
.
And so if you're strugglingwith something externally,
really think about it, likelooking at yourself with an
internal mirror, and it's notabout that external person or
thing, it's about you and howyou are processing that thing or
how that thing is impacting you, and really digging into the
(36:27):
why, why is a very interestingquestion to ask oneself, isn't
it?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Before I go down that road, I want to ask you, jane,
what do you do to keep yourselfin a positive state of mind?
We've talked off and on nowabout resonating at a positive
or high frequency versus lowfrequency vibration, and what do
you do for yourself to makesure you stay in that positive,
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high frequency, high energyworld?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So I do a couple of things.
So first is an awareness ofwhere my energy is at any given
point in time no-transcript.
(37:31):
So if I feel like I have lowenergy, I will do one of three
things normally.
First will be to journal and Iwill sit down and I will journal
about everything I'm gratefulfor.
And I will force myself tojournal about everything I'm
grateful for for three to fiveminutes nonstop, just free form
writing, and I find that startsto raise my vibration up, just
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because you start to be in amore positive place.
Then I'll also journal aboutthe future me that I want to
become, and how does that personlook and feel and what does
that life look like.
Because we all have goals,we're all striving to build or
design or do something, and soit's allowing my brain to live
in that future state, in thepresent state, and that also
helps me raise my vibration.
And then I also do two otherthings.
(38:19):
One I have a trampoline.
You go jump on a trampoline.
It's like being a child.
Not only is it really good foryour lymphatic system and your
nervous system, but if youreally get into it and you turn
on some loud music, it remindsme of being a child and the
freedom of jumping, and so it's,and it's exercise as well.
So I do that.
Or, like you said, nature ifI'm having a down day, I go out
(38:39):
for a walk and I really findlike getting connected with the
ground, getting connected withnature.
And I really find like gettingconnected with the ground,
getting connected with nature,being reminded of just the
beauty that surrounds our lives,helps me raise my energy.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, and the walks, just so that anyone listening
understand, like this is whereI'm coming from.
I'm sure you're coming from aswell.
There's no phones, there's nonoise.
There's no phones, there's nonoise, there's no distraction.
It is you go out in nature andyou look at the trees and
silence sometimes is verydifficult for people.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Painful.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Silence is painful, painfully difficult.
It is Painfully difficult.
Let's go back to that questionof why, how challenging that is
for us to ask that question.
Why?
Because that can be a scaryquestion, you know why.
What is your purpose on earth?
Why are you here?
What is your calling?
(39:36):
Even what, what and why?
So those W question words?
Yeah, and it's challengingsometimes to come up with the
answers, but the answers areoften found in the silence.
So we'll bring it back to wherewe started.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
The answers are often found in the silence.
And I also find, especially ifyou're talking about the subject
of why and purpose, I havelearned over the last five years
that what your purpose is atone point in time is not
necessarily what your purposewill be at a different point in
time.
And recognizing that, at leastin my opinion, it's not about
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seeking out the lifelong purpose.
It's about what is your purposeat this point in time in life.
What is your purpose at thispoint in time in life?
And when you look at it thatway and it's about okay, let's
look at it and understand yourpassions at this point in time
in life.
Because I'll just use myself foran example right, I mean, I
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worked in corporate America, allthe things, right.
And then when I left that and Ibecame an interior designer, I
could have easily said mypurpose is to design beautiful
things and to create luxuriousspaces.
Well, now, now I feel verypurpose driven towards
empowering women and doing thaton any platform that I possibly
can, which could be a podcast,could be speaking, it could be
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coaching, it could be a book, itcould be I don't even know but
that it's such an evolution inthe purpose at that point in
time.
But it's such an evolution inthe purpose at that point in
time and I think so many peopleare struggling to feel like they
have found their purpose and Ithink if we chunk it down to a
(41:22):
little bit smaller timeframes itmakes that task much less
daunting.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Jean, that's beautiful.
As you were saying that, I wasthinking like talking about our
purpose evolving and going fromone thing to another.
How liberating that is.
Even as you were saying it, Ihave to tell you I felt a
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lightness on my end and alightness in my soul when you
said that, Because I think youand I I think we're the same age
, we're within a couple ofmonths of each other.
We grew up in a time where ourparents got a job.
They did that job for 30 years,yes, and their parents got a
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job, did that job for 30 yearsand lived for retirement, and so
that mentality was passed on tous.
You and me we're in our fifties,that you go get your job.
You stay at it for 30 years andthen you retire.
But what happened in your caseand my case is we're not doing
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the same job we started at 30years ago.
We're doing something different.
But what happens is you havethat generational imprint on
your mind that says, well,you're not doing what you're
supposed to be doing.
You don't have that job thatyou were doing for 30 years.
Now the brain's going to lookfor that it's looking for.
(42:51):
You've been generationallyconditioned to look for that
life quote.
Unquote lifelong purpose.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right, and people like us are like no, we're going
to take a different path.
Yeah, we're going to go adifferent way.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But it's also releasing that and understanding
that that belief system is justsomebody else's belief.
It's not your own Right, butit's the realization of that,
because some people believethings they don't even know why
they believe it or where it camefrom.
It was just because, oh,because mom and dad did it, or
(43:27):
grandma did it, or grandpa didit.
That's why we do it.
But when you start challengingthat belief and say, well, wait
a minute, I don't have to be thesame thing.
And the other test on that toreally throw us off would be
well, think about what you weredoing five years ago.
And if you were doing the samejob, suppose you were a teacher
and you were doing that fiveyears ago Well, what else in
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your life was happening at thattime?
And has that thing changedsince then?
Right, and you realize thatthis generational model of you
have to sit in a job and do itfor 30 years and then retire
really is horse crap.
It is Because life does change.
It does, and you can go in adifferent direction and that's
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okay.
So I am so thankful, I'm sothankful you said that for
somebody like me who's stillsearching, and I'm like well, I
got to find that thing that I'mgoing to do for the next 10
years of my life.
No, that doesn't have to be.
You don't True?
I don't.
I just have to lean in to quietyourself enough to hear what
that authentic self inside issaying and what you're supposed
to go build and do and create,and then, run after start
(44:34):
leaning into that and then, asthese opportunities flow that
you didn't force, that youdidn't go look for, as those
start coming your way, then youknow you're doing what you're
supposed to be doing, you're onthe right path, right?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yes, it just feels different it does.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So I'm so glad you're supposed to be doing.
You're on the right path.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, yes, it just feels different.
It does.
I'm so glad you said that itdoes, and I do ask the universe
every day to show me signs thatI'm on the right path, and lots
of people use lots of differentsigns.
For me, my signs are angelsigns and I always ask the
universe every day, especiallyif I'm struggling with something
.
I will ask the universe to showme angel signs if I am on, if
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I'm on the right path and I'm intune enough with myself to
pretty much be able to know whatmy intuition is and be able to
tap into that through a lot ofwork.
It took a long time to do thatand I do every day that I do ask
that like that.
I really consciously ask forthat.
I see them.
I adamantly see them.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And I have friends who are like.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I look for angel numbers and I never see them,
and I'm like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I must have seen like 10 of them in the last day.
I think when you start tellingyour brain to look for something
, it's going to find it, andthat's the reticular activating
system.
I mean, there's the sciencebehind that that supports that.
If you go looking for a red car, you're going to see all the
red cars.
You know, I bought a red carand I didn't see any red cars
anywhere until I bought a redcar.
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And now I see red RAV4severywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Everywhere I was like wow, I bought a car that
everybody else has.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
No, it's just that I started seeing it, and it's true
for the positive and thenegative.
If you start looking for allthe faults in people around you,
you're going to see the faults.
So if you're that type ofperson that you find you're
finding the faults all the time,ask yourself the question well,
wait a minute, why am I lookingfor the faults?
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And then change the narrative,find the positive, find one good
thing in everybody that youmeet.
Because there is there are goodthings in everybody, and there
are good things and you saidthis before finding the
gratitude.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
There are good things about every situation and I
don't know if you see that feelthis as an entrepreneur, but
I've really had to lean intothis over the last year.
When business doesn'tnecessarily come that you want,
hope, expect and are relying onfor your business, I have been
able to acknowledge that pausein the business as a positive to
(47:01):
allow me to free up time tofocus on another growth area,
whether that be a growth withinmyself personally, a growth
within my health, more time toexercise, a growth within my
relationships, or more time towork kind of on the business or
on my future things.
Do you struggle with that samething?
Because I feel like as anentrepreneur, when that project
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doesn't come in, you're like Ireally wanted that revenue.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I really was excited about that.
I was excited about that clientand then you feel like it's a
loss.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But having to shift my mindset around that loss has
kind of been a game changer.
I will say for me personally inthe last year.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, 100%, everything.
You just said 100%.
And it's changing again.
It's changing the language.
It's not a loss, it's theuniverse giving you the
opportunity to pause, to lean in, because if that job came,
let's go down that road, saythat job that you really wanted
you didn't get.
If that job came then youprobably wouldn't have the time
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to lean into the thing that youreally needed to lean into and
fix, or do or create whatever todo that.
So, yes, a hundred, everythingyou just said.
100%, yes, I've seen it in myown life as well, and the thing
is this it is I think about itthis way you only have so much
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time and energy.
God or the universe, whateveryou want to believe has given
each and every one of uscapacity to only do so much, and
a lot of times things have tobe taken out in order for
something to come in, and I keepthat in mind when I think I
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quote unquote lose something orsomething went away or
something's not there, it'sbecause there's something better
coming along and the universeis getting my attention to free
up, my time to focus somewhereelse, which is what you've been
saying.
100%, yeah, absolutely.
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As an entrepreneur, yes, yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
All right.
So before we run out of time, Iwant to make sure I get to ask
you something that I think isreally important for your
podcast, right?
Because this will air and Iwant people to go and watch your
podcast.
Please Can you share with ussome of the guests that you have
had?
It's been two and a half years,so that's a deep library of
guests, but a few of the gueststhat you found were the most
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impactful on you personally andwhy.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
The first one that comes to mind is Brian Johnson.
Brian Johnson is the founder ofHeroic and Heroic.
I'm a certified Heroic coach.
So through my interview withhim, learning about him,
learning about what he does andgoing through the 10-month-long
coaching program, thatprofoundly changed my life.
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So I was very thankful he wasone of the guests absolutely I'm
so, so grateful for.
I also referenced ChristopherAugust.
He's one of my more recentguests and he introduced me to
the depth of breathwork.
I already knew about breathwork, but he took it to the next
level and we had an amazingconversation.
(50:20):
So that also was anothermemorable guest.
Michael McLean would probablybe my third choice.
Michael McLean's anentrepreneur.
He, oh my God, he did so manydifferent things.
Just he just built alldifferent kinds of businesses
and just his mentality is just,he just has a.
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Can I say?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
badass mentality, I mean that's just you know.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
he's just a badass entrepreneur and I had the
opportunity to interview his12-year-old entrepreneurial
daughter on my podcast.
It was an incredibleconversation.
So not only did I interview him, but I interviewed her as well,
so that was a lot of fun.
So those are the top three thatcame to mind, although I
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probably could name 10 more if Igo down my list, because here's
the thing about being apodcaster and you probably have
seen this too, jean Everyconversation that you have, you
always walk away with a littlebit of that person and you
always learn something moreabout them and about yourself.
Yes, so it's really hard for meto say which one has been most
(51:33):
impactful on me, because each ofmy guests have impacted my life
in some capacity and I'mgrateful for every single one of
them.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I could not agree more.
Yes, and it's a gift.
It is a gift to be able to havea podcast and to be able to
meet people and connect, andthat is how we met.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
It's a gift to have oh yeah, that's right it is.
And it's a gift to have peoplelisten.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes, it is Correct and to give an hour of their
time To give an hour of theirtime, you know, is a lot and to
let us share our wisdom and thewisdom of our guests with them
and in the hopes of inspiringand educating them, is truly,
it's truly a gift and one I feelvery fortunate for.
And as a result of me meetingyou, we have interviewed similar
(52:19):
guests, we've shared someguests on each other's show and
gotten connected to some similarpeople and it's amazing how you
start to kind of build thislittle universe of people that
don't live where you live butyet have similar focuses,
similar grounding, a similarconnection that we do to really
wanting to grow and help otherpeople grow and to become the
best versions of ourselves andgo through this process and also
admit like it's not sunshineand roses every day, folks, it's
(52:42):
work.
It's work, but having acommunity of people that you can
call on and lean on during thatjourney.
I remember you and I also had aconversation about menopause.
We went kind of deep onmenopause last time we talked.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I think we were supposed to talk about that.
I think that's whatspringboarded this, and it was
the midlife crisis.
It's like what you go throughin your mid 50s.
Well, we'll just save it foranother time.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's a lot.
You can come on my podcast,we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
We can talk about menopause, exactly that's right,
because that does require smallsteps to big wins, because
there are so many components tothat and just actually just the
whole midlife crisisconversation is around that.
Yeah, and I think it actuallyties back into real quick what
we were talking about, where youhad you think you have to be in
this thing for 30 years or dothe same thing for 30 years?
Speaker 2 (53:35):
how much of that is fabricated.
Midlife crisis, right, exactly,yeah, well.
And also I think we're at adifferent age.
Back then people did retire at50, 55, 60, 65.
And now, the closer I don'tknow about you, but the closer I
get to 65, I'm like, oh wait, Ineed like a way longer runway,
because I financially can'tafford that yet.
But I can't even imagine Iwould be bored out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, I mean.
Retirement is not a word in myvocabulary.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Me neither.
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
It's just, you're just iterating into a next
version of yourself.
And really, retirement for me,if you want to put a definition
to it, is when I can wake up inthe morning and say this is what
I'm going to do today andnobody else controls my life.
Well, that's an entrepreneurtoo, but it's to a point where I
don't have to worry about money.
My income's taken care of.
(54:20):
I've got things like I can sitaround and read for five hours,
right, you know that.
That's what.
I'm not.
Not there yet.
Or it's just creating a lifewhere you get paid for doing
something that you love.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Exactly Right, I say all the time I would do this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
There's no there's no time frame on that.
You know, if you're doingsomething that you love, that
you love, at 80 years old andyou're getting paid for it and
you're adding value to somebodyand you're still have all your
capacities at 80.
Great, who cares?
Yeah, like it's okay.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I know some 80 year olds who still work and
they do because they love it.
They just love it and they'regiving back and they're helping
other people and they're stayingbusy and they're keeping their
mind going and they just love itand they're like if I wasn't
working, I don't know what else.
And you know they haveflexibility, they have all the
other things.
It's not like, you know,they're not working.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
I know people in their seventies.
Same thing they're still,they're still going to work and
they're still doing it becausethey want to, because they're
like well, what else am I goingto do?
I can do this thing, and it'son my own terms and it's on my
of.
You know what's your definitionof retirement?
It's going to look prettysimilar, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
All right.
So before we jump off, I'mgoing to share one word that I
think is really impactful and Iwant to see if this word hits
you as well.
People talk about having goalsand often people are like my
goal is to be happy, and Ialways tell people that's a
crock of shit, that like can'tbe your goal, that's like not
enough.
That's not enough, folks.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Because it's not realistic.
No, happiness is a real, is amoving target right.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
So my latest thing that I journal about all the
time and really think about andI've been able to encompass
everything that I think I wantin life into this is wanting
freedoms and whatever freedomcan look like for you, and that
could be freedom of time,freedom of money, freedom of
choice, freedom of creativity.
It could be whatever you want,and I have really been focusing
(56:19):
on the word freedom.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yes, that is my highest core value.
Whatever my next iteration is,or creating around that next
iteration is, or creating aroundthat it has to have freedom
baked into it.
It's got to fit under thatparameter.
And I would say to anyonelistening if you don't know what
your core values are or whatyour core beliefs are, start
(56:42):
there.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
If you're wandering through life and you're not sure
where to, go yeah and sit withthose, sit in silence and let
those come to you if you don'thave them.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
All right, Jean.
So ask me, what's my bookrecommendation.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh, I get to ask you that.
Okay, because this is anon-traditional podcast.
Yes, what's your bookrecommendation?
Speaker 1 (57:00):
My book recommendation is to follow up
on that core value.
It's I'm actually interviewingthis author in a couple of weeks
value I'm actually interviewingthis author in a couple of
weeks.
It's called Be Bold.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Today by Lee Burgess.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Be Bold Today by Lee Burgess.
I'm halfway through it.
It is an amazing book.
It talks about how we cancreate boldness in our lives and
what that looks like, and howwe really dig into our souls and
go deep and we ask.
You know, she asked in the bookwhat are your core values, what
are your belief systems?
When you flush those out, itallows you to be not only
creative, but to lean into thoseareas that you should in your
(57:37):
life, to become bold.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I love that.
I'm going to have to read thatbecause bold is one of the six
values of my business of theHouse of Jarmar Bold is one of
them.
Then she needs to get on yourpodcast.
Absolutely, I would love thatand I'm going to read her book.
So, thank you so much oh.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Sue.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
I love every time I get to spend with you.
Your energy is amazing.
Even on your lowest days yourenergy is so high and you have
so much insight and wisdom.
And everyone if you are notcurrently following Sue and her
podcast Small Steps, big Wins,you absolutely must go do that.
Follow subscribe rate review onApple and buy her book as well.
I read her book in a day and ahalf.
(58:13):
It was so good.
I was so engrossed in her storyand she's so inspiring.
So thank you, sue.
We will stay in touch and I'lltalk to you soon.
Yes, thank you.
Thank you as well.
Have a beautiful day.
Thank you for joining us foranother episode of the House of
Jermar podcast, where wellnessstarts within.
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We appreciate you being a partof our community and hope you
felt inspired and motivated byour guest.
If you enjoyed this episode,please write us a review and
share it with friends.
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through our website,houseofjermarcom.
If you or someone you knowwould be a good guest on the
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This has been a House of Germarproduction with your host, Jean
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