June 12, 2025 • 56 mins
Have you ever felt that subtle nudge from your intuition telling you to completely change direction? That's exactly what happened to Adele DiMarco when she realized her carefully planned medical career wasn't aligned with her true purpose.
Adele shares the pivotal moment when, while reading a book by Vietnamese Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh, she experienced full-body clarity that medical school wasn't her path. "I literally felt like I set myself free," she reveals, describing the physical sensation of liberation that came with honoring her intuition. This moment launched her on an unexpected journey toward becoming a "mastery level facilitator" and founder of Yinovate Consulting and Coaching.
What makes Adele's approach unique is her ability to integrate seemingly separate domains - strategic planning, culture strengthening, team building, and leadership development - into one cohesive process she calls a "whole systems up level." Working primarily with C-suite executives, particularly women in male-dominated industries, she creates spaces where authentic leadership can flourish.
Perhaps most compelling is Adele's perspective on the workplace as "this highly underutilized learning community for personal transformation." Rather than compartmentalizing professional development and personal growth, she sees our careers as powerful vehicles for evolving as whole human beings.
Adele's Book Recommendations: The Advantage: Why Organizational Health Trumps Everything Else in Business: Patrick Lencioni
Being Peace by Thich Nhat Hanh
More about Adele:
YINOVATE
Adele DiMarco is the founder and chief consultant of Yinovate Consulting & Coaching. With a deep passion for leadership development and group facilitation, she specializes in helping executive teams operate at a higher level by making communication and implementation smoother and easier. Her work fosters a ripple effect throughout organizations, enhancing morale, engagement, and profitability on multiple levels.
Adele has collaborated with hundreds of organizations and coached more than 1,000 leaders across diverse industries—including start-up social enterprises, statewide healthcare systems, publicly traded multibillion-dollar corporations, and multi-generational family-owned businesses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My artistry, if you will, as a consultant is I am I
refer to myself as a masterylevel facilitator and so
essentially what I've honed overthe years.
I work with the C-suite, so theCEO, cfo, whoever and you know,
not everybody uses those termsbut basically the people at the
top who are running the showright, and I, through a series
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of both, asking them questions,I take them through what I call
a whole systems up level, thewhole of the company, and
basically my process integratesor combines strategic planning,
culture strengthening, teambuilding and leadership
development into one processthat I lead people through.
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So it's very efficient.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome to the House of Jermar podcast, where
wellness starts within.
The House of Jermar is alifestyle brand, empowering
women to live all in throughinterior design and personal
wellness.
We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
possible in their homes andlives and then create it.
We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
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million women to live all in.
I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
Welcome to the House of Jomarpodcast, where wellness starts
with it.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have Adele DeMarco.
I am so excited to talk to her.
I have never met her before.
Actually, I take that back.
We tried to record this once,about six weeks ago without my
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producer, and we were completelyunsuccessful as two very
intelligent entrepreneurs tryingto figure out how to record and
make it so that I could hearher and she could hear me, and
it didn't work.
So here we are again.
So, adele, I appreciate yougiving it a second try.
And, before I forget, your firmis called Yinovate Consulting
and Coaching, so I am reallyexcited to talk about your
journey, wellness, what Yinovateeven means, and I thank you for
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a willingness to come on asecond time.
So welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Thank you, my pleasure, it's an honor and a
delight.
I love what your show is aboutand I am always delighted to
talk about women andentrepreneurship and career for
every stage.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Every stage right, exactly Because it can be
constantly evolving, and I lovethat.
You're also, you know, you'reinto wellness, you're into a
little woo and spirituality,right.
And so you and I connected onour false first try at this and
both of us were like it's justthe universe, we're just not
meant to do this today, it'sjust because today's just not
our day.
But here we are, today isfinally our day.
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So I also love gettingconnected to like-minded women
who kind of believe in the powerof the universe and
spirituality.
So we'll touch on that too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Great.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's start with your career journey, because you're
now an entrepreneur, you have aconsulting and coaching firm,
which is not where you started.
So I love to share people'sjourneys so that people can
recognize that how we got towhere we are today is not linear
.
There are lots of paths, thereare lots of steps.
It's all linear.
There are lots of paths, thereare lots of steps.
It's all a process.
It's all evolving and to helpinspire women that there are a
lot of things that are possiblein life if you just open
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yourself up.
So if you wouldn't mind sharinga little about your journey,
how you got to being the founderof Yinovate, yeah, thank you,
and it was definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
My journey was definitely not a straight path.
I feel like it had lots ofloop-de-loops and sidebars, and
mainly through my 20s.
So I'll tell the journey fromtwo different angles.
One, what inspired me at ayounger age to do what I'm doing
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now, but it didn't cause me toimmediately follow that.
So I think that's a reallyimportant point for people to
listen to is to notice.
It's kind of like collectingthe nuggets along the way of
things that impact you.
So, starting out, when I was inhigh school, my mom went through
a divorce and went back to workand she loved her job, she
loved what she did.
She was in nursing but shewould come home and she loved
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taking care of the patients andshe would come home and she
would complain about themanagement right, about her
bosses, and she was like youknow, I don't understand how
they just don't know what's bestfor the patients and what
really supports us as theemployees to best take care of
our patients, right, in otherwords, to do our jobs the best
that we're able and, forwhatever reason that just stuck
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with me, you know, filed it away.
Life went on.
I was still on that at thatpoint in time, because my mom
was in healthcare, speaking ofhealing and wellness, I thought
I was going to med school.
I was a biology major.
I then because I'm a little bit,you know, I don't always color
inside the lines I also becamevery drawn, after getting a
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degree in biology, into thefield of anthropology, of
looking at cultures.
I was fascinated by culturesaround the world and so
initially I was in this MD PhDprogram right, super rigorous,
super nerd, and I actually itwas when I was reading.
This was started my spiritualjourney.
I was reading a book.
I know you love books, I do so.
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This is one book.
I have two to mention, but thiswas the one that first impacted
me, and it was.
I was in my twenties still, Iwas in grad, I was in a PhD
program.
So I was kind of doing the MDPhD thing one at a time, and I
was reading a book by theVietnamese Buddhist monk, and I
was reading a book by theVietnamese Buddhist monk, thich
Nhat Hanh.
Some of you may know him and thebook was called being Peace
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P-E-A-C-E, B-E-I-G Peace and Ican't tell you exactly what I
read at the time, but I justremember I had this full body
experience of knowing that Icould completely put down going
to medical school.
It wasn't aligned with who I amWow.
Now, mind you, I was already ina PhD program at this point,
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but the moment I made thatdecision, I remember right where
I was sitting and this clarityjust came over me and it I
literally felt like I set myselffree, Like I literally jumped
off, jumped off of my bed that Iwas reading it on and I like I
mean I didn't do a cartwheel inthat room, but I kind of did an
energetic, you know, like thehappy dance, because it wasn't
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that I knew what I was going todo, but I just knew I wasn't
going to do that.
Like I got off that bus, wowyeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I love the power of that because I talk to people
all the time about learning totrust their intuition and
learning to be able to tap intotheir intuition and know when
their intuition is speaking tothem, and it's a it's an
incredible skill to have.
It's actually amazing at such ayoung age that you did have
that.
That's a gift.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I do.
I feel very blessed, like inhindsight.
I did cultivate my real I callit my relationship with the
divine and, yes, I coach andguide on intuition.
And I will tell you, afterintentionally working with my
own intuition and doing my bestto talk about it and teach it
with other people, I have cometo realize it's not like a flip
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a switch that you just flip andall of a sudden you can work
with your intuition.
It's deep, it's personal.
It's not like a flip a switchthat you just flip and all of a
sudden you can work with yourintuition.
It's deep, it's personal, it'sunique to each individual.
It is the voice from within,but the way in which that speaks
to us varies so much fromperson to person.
Even again, in that moment, myintuition didn't tell me what I
was going to do.
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It just really clearly told methis was not it.
This is not it, this is notyour divine destiny.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And what I was going to do.
It just really clearly told methis was not it, this is not it,
this is not your divine destiny.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And what I realized.
I just I'll do my best to stayfocused on one line because I
integrate so many things, but alittle bit of what I've been
studying in the past year or twois human design.
I actually I'm a bigger devoteeto a body of knowledge that
grew out of that called the genekeys, but that's a sidebar.
But what I've come toappreciate in human design is
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part of what that premise is, iswaking up to your own true self
, and in that you do it byrecognizing the ways in which
you were conditioned right Awayfrom your authentic true self.
And in that moment, with thestory I shared of reading the
book being Peace, what Irealized my mom's coming into
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the story again is that was mymom's dream.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh, fascinating yes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And because I was like, how is it that I knew when
I was five years old, I wasgoing to go to medical school?
Well, because she was a nurseand she and she also really from
a place of love she wanted toempower me.
It was the seventies, and whatwere the two things like?
If you, as a woman, right, wejust emerged out of the three
career choices let's seesecretary, nurse and teacher.
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And then I had added in, youcan be a doctor or a lawyer,
right, like those were thecareer paths of empowerment.
Of course, yes, there's truthto that right.
Definitely greater earningpower.
I loved science, I love biology, I love studying.
You know life.
So anyhow, yeah, that was thatmoment as I woke up and I was
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like this is not my dream.
So then, what.
So then, what right?
So then the work up and I waslike this is not my dream.
So then, what?
So then, what right?
So then the work starts and Ifeel like I've still been on
that path in many ways.
So I was very blessed At thetime.
I had just started a jobworking for this is a big term
an academic medical center.
What does that mean?
I worked in a hospital that wasconnected to a medical school
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and I worked for the children'shospital.
I was so blessed I was hired tostart this very unique
pediatric center this was in the90s that was specializing in
the care for children who werebeing internationally adopted at
the time.
Wow, yeah, that was a very,very unique experience.
Yeah, fascinating.
I learned so much about earlychildhood development.
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Yeah, it really became aspiritual awakening for me as
well, because it really deepenedmy awareness to how much our
early childhood affects us forthe rest of our lives.
So, because I worked Imentioned that academic medical
center thing.
I actually was an employee ofthe med school and that meant I
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got to take classes for free.
So I was running this medicalclinic, managing five
pediatricians and consultingwith families, and it was.
I got to go to Russia and visitorphanages.
I was in this management roleand I was like I don't know if I
know, even know what I'm doing.
I was kind of the doctor whohired me was always traveling
around the world.
She was like always beingcalled in by the International
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Red Cross to work for like helpwith refugee crises, and she was
a very inspiring woman,definitely ahead of her time.
But anyhow, I was kind of lefton my own so I took some classes
in the business school becauseI could, for free.
And the business school that Iwent to was also very unique.
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It was Case Western ReserveUniversity in Cleveland, ohio.
It had a very strong emphasison the field of organizational
behavior, which I had no ideawas even a thing.
Right.
But I literally it felt like theclouds parted and you know that
image, for like the sunlightjust shines through the clouds
on some sort of path.
I mean, I know that I totallynerded out.
I was like, oh, this is whatI'm supposed to do anthropology
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even which I had already had abit of a background in
anthropology and my focus wasactually on it was called
medical anthropology, but it wasall on health and and healing
and wellness through the lens ofculture.
Yeah, I was like this wasawesome.
I ended up doing an MBA programand that, because
organizational behavior was somuch a part of the whole of this
program, they had us asstudents take pretty rigorous,
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basically, career assessments toget a sense of, like, what are
your strengths?
It just kept telling me to be aconsultant.
It kept saying you're meant tobe a consultant.
I didn't even really know whatthat meant.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like that's broad, that's broad, thank you, thank
you, universe.
That's very broad.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I kind of filed that away.
But still, I mean I interviewedfor McKinsey and those you know
big firms, but I was like atthat I'm sure I don't know if
it's still this way, but that intime I mean it was very
lucrative.
You know, they started you atgreat salaries but you basically
like got on an airplane onMonday and lived in hotels till
Friday and I was just recentlymarried and I was like I'm going
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to be divorced in a year, right, I just I was still working at
the children's hospital and Ijust kept.
I just kept following myinterest.
I was really interested,through my graduate school work
too, in again and how I'm stillalways interested in women and
children.
That was my focus when I was inthe MD.
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Phd focus was always interestedin women and children.
That was my focus when I was inthe MD.
Phd focus was how to supportwomen and children, because I
still to this day, 25, reallyalmost 30 years later I still
believe that if we really wantto change the world for the
better, intervening with womenand children is the most
powerful intervention point, themost powerful leverage point.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Couldn't agree more yeah, and women as entrepreneurs
.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And I'll share a quick little anecdote.
When I was in that graduateprogram in medical anthropology
right so it's such a esotericterm, I don't even know if they
still refer to that.
It's a very 80s term.
But anyhow, I was in a classand this actually really
impacted me.
This man it was a lecture seriesand this man who had formerly
worked for the World HealthOrganization he was a physician,
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he was the head of the publichospital in Cleveland at the
time and it was really a lectureseries about careers.
And so many of the people whoattend this lecture series were
nurses and doctors in training.
And he came in and he said toeveryone there, all of us in the
audience he said so why do youwant this career as a, you know,
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as a nurse or a doctor or anurse practitioner?
And people answered you know,kind of like, I want to help
heal, I want to, you know, makethe world healthier.
And he was like well, I'll tellyou right now.
And he's like if you really wantto help the world get healthier
, you're in the wrong career, ohmy goodness.
And he shared data.
Wow, yeah, he shared data fromthe World Health Organization.
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And he said, findings haveshown, when we do research in
developing countries and otherparts of the world that were
parts that aren't yet developed,that and, in particular, places
that have really high morbidityand mortality rates right, a
lot of sick people and highdeath rates that if you really
want to make the biggestdifference to help everyone heal
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, the number one thing you cando is educate and empower the
women.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The number one thing you can do is educate and
empower the women.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yep, love it.
Research has shown and now thiswas in the 90s, so I think
research, like with Grameen Bankand other micro lending
programs, have grown since thattime.
But he said we have found thatif you give women access to
education and access toresources by basically becoming
their own entrepreneurs, thewhole boat rises Right Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The impact is broad.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Right and I think that I don't have a memory of
like that, if that was before orafter that aha moment I shared
with reading the being peacebook.
But I think it just started tofile away Right, and I think
that's really important forlisteners to hear of.
Like, sometimes it's justlittle pieces of information
that we file away.
File away it kind of builds upright, instead of just like one
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quick switch, like okay, now I'mdoing this.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah Right, there were things that happened along
the way before you had your ahamoment that prepared you and
built up the ability to be awareand to have the aha moment.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It doesn't just happen like that Right In the
moment, it feels like it justhappened, but we're not aware of
the bank account, the internalbank account, so to speak, of
data points that built the case.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yes, yes, it's work that's potentially been
happening over years.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, just to honor that and have reverence
and have patience, you know,because I do believe that every
single one of us is exactlywhere we are meant to be, and I
and I.
It doesn't mean that if we'regoing through a hard time we're
supposed to just kind of like,eat it and suffer, but to know
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that even those times like I'mpersonally in another, you know,
tumultuous phase of life.
But after being such a studentof I call it now universal laws
because I work in the businesscommunity, so a big part of what
I do is like how can Itranslate these terms that are
considered kind of woo-woo intothings that are palatable to
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people in the business world,right?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Correct Right.
You don't want to turn them alloff and scare everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Exactly and, at the same time, I really want them to
benefit the value of some ofthese concepts, right?
Yes, so that's kind of.
One of my personal charges ismaking the information around
personal growth and universallaws as accessible to as wide of
an audience as possible, andthat's part of what I'm doing
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with Innovate.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh, which is so great .
So talk to me about Innovatethe name.
How did you start that?
What made you decide to takethat plunge and get in that
direction?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, thank you.
So Innovate it's like Yin Yangor Yin Yang, right, yeah,
innovate means to innovate fromthe inside out Ooh, I like that
and specifically through yourheart and from your soul, and
it's a concept.
So the name of my business isboth the name of my business and
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it's the term for my process toinnovate, so I say it's a noun
and a verb Right Okay, which isgood.
And it applies and I'll talk alittle bit more about what I do
and how I got there.
It applies on like I work withorganizations.
That's really my jam.
Going back to that story aboutmy mom I shared in the beginning
is I'm really, reallypassionate about the workplace.
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It's this huge opportunity forevolution.
I believe that the workplace isthis highly underutilized,
underleveraged learningcommunity for really personal
transformation through ourprofessional work.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Sure Well, it's where we spend most of our time and
the reality is is most of thecountry has a W-2 organizational
job.
Not everybody is anentrepreneur like we are.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's actually the exception, not the norm, right
right and, having coachedentrepreneurs myself, one of the
greatest challenges and I knowI struggled with this as well is
when you're on that path ofawakening, it can become really
lonely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, that is the most common struggle when people
first start out, especially ifyou're an entrepreneur right,
because you're already kind of,you know, doing a solo show as a
woman, right, yes, unless youknow you already have a big
company.
But even then, if you're at thetop, it's still kind of lonely,
very lonely, yeah.
So I'm like, hey, you know,you've at the workplace, you've
got this built in community ofsupport With other people who
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are on this, on a similar path,if you bring some of these
concepts into the workplace.
So really, I mean, I've coached, I've consulted, I've done more
consulting than coaching, andthe simple way I discern between
those two is consulting iswhere you're working with the
organization and coaching iswith the individuals.
And then I also coach groupsand teams, which is kind of
hybrid of the two.
So the way I got here I shared.
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When I was in business school Idiscovered organizational
behavior.
I was on the, I was going to gowork for one of the big firms
and one of the other things thathappened to me that totally
relates to career is I was nowin my late twenties.
I had a lot of girlfriends whohad followed that path that my
mom had told me right, become adoctor or a lawyer.
I had a lot of girlfriends whowere doctors and lawyers, right,
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and we were all around the sameage late twenties, early
thirties and you know, we werekind of told that this was a
career of, of empowerment, andthat perhaps what that meant was
we got to call our own shots.
And what I saw happening is mygirlfriends who were doctors and
lawyers once they got marriedand then when they started to
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have their own children, oncethey got married and then when
they started to have their ownchildren, they had no freedom
Right.
They were left with choosingbetween do I put my child in 60
hours a week of daycare Right,or do I get off my career track?
Yeah, and having just worked inearly childhood development and
knowing how important and I amnot sharing this with any
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judgment for women who need touse daycare, maybe when I was
younger I would have been alittle more, whatever judging on
my soapbox, but everyone'sjourney is their journey and we
do what we need to do.
Yes, and there's no way we candeny it's not optimal.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No, because it's impossible.
It's impossible.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If you're thinking you're going to have perfection
and do all of those things atthe peak of your ability to
perform in those different roles, it's just setting yourself up
for failure, because it's notpossible our nation, like so
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many issues, like I now connectthe dots I haven't done this
formally yet, so this is myfirst time I'm saying it on a
media platform is there is aconnection between our early
childhood experience and the waywe show up in the workplace?
Sure, of course, right.
And what it means to be a airquotes a leader and I say air
quotes because to me a leader isabout the way you behave, not
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necessarily a position or titleor role.
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Right.
That's why leading through theheart it's right on your website
leading through the heart is soimportant.
It's like if you're leadingwith your heart, you end up with
much more productive teamsbecause they feel that you have
empathy and they feel there's aconnection of vulnerability and
then encourages the people onthe team to have that as well.
And if you treat people likethey're humans, not just a
number on an org chart, it makesa big difference in people's
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performance and theirsatisfaction with their careers
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All around, check, check, check everything you just
said.
Right, and people hear theheart and they think the heart
is soft and I'm jumping around alittle bit, but anyhow, when I
back to being in my latetwenties, early thirties
girlfriends, witnessing them asdoctors and lawyers like really
having to make this difficultdecision of choosing between,
basically, mom or career, yeah,and it was heartbreaking and so
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and I was also still finishingup my MBA at the time so I did
an MBA with this big heavy focuson organizational behavior and
I kept going to the professorsand like, can you show me the
case studies with the companiesthat have won like who are the
like five, like the big winnersof work-life balance that
support work-life balance?
Now, again, this was the latenineties, early two thousands.
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And you know they would show mecases of of companies where the
five star award winners hadon-site daycare.
You know, like that, and I waslike, ooh, that's as good as it
gets, man.
Helpful However those companiesfor on-sitecare that makes
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people's lives so much easier.
But I was like I don't know ifI can do this, and so in that
moment is when I decided Ineeded to become an entrepreneur
.
So it really kind of happenedby default more so than by it
ended up becoming by design, butthe choice at the time felt
like a default.
It wasn't like I woke up and Iwas like I'm going to be an
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entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know it was like.
This is what.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I want.
I knew I really wanted to be agreat mom based on my own
challenging childhood.
I wanted to break patterns.
I wanted to break generationalpatterns, yes, and I was like,
if I'm going to have a child, Iwant to give it my best.
And I also knew, from growingup in the 80s and living through
as a kid to divorces, I neededto be able to support myself, no
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matter what.
That was the one thing my momalways told me and she kind of
told me and I witnessed whathappened because she didn't do
what she was telling me to doand she just said you have to be
economically independent.
Yes, and I think that is themost important message for women
today.
The best that you're able you,I mean, it's been the most
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empowering thing for me is myown economic independence Of
course, it's incrediblyempowering.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And then it helps because there's fear along the
way, with so many differentchoices in life and and let's be
honest, be honest everyone hasfear.
Entrepreneurs have even alarger amount of fear than most,
and so it's not that we don'thave it, it's how do you deal
with that fear, and recognizingthat you have economic
independence, or recognizingthat you have an understanding
(24:51):
of how to financially supportyourself and an understanding of
how to financially run abusiness, is an incredible skill
that takes some of that fearaway.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, there's so many layers to being an entrepreneur
.
Oh, I continue the longer I'min it.
I mean I've I've technicallybeen an entrepreneur since 2005,
.
But the first seven years I wasworking with another woman who
was 15 years my senior, and thatwas another divine intervention
, speaking of how I got toinnovate, right To innovate.
(25:21):
So I realized I had to becomean entrepreneur.
And even at that point I knowthe inflection point, right I
still was like what am I goingto do?
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I know that's what I need to do, but what exactly?
Right, what am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I just knew I needed the freedom and the flexibility
to call my own shots, to be themom I wanted to be and to be the
woman I wanted to be.
Sure Now flashpoint sidebar I'malso really into astrology and
just just more recently, lastyear, I had my Vedic chart done
and the man who did my chart hetold me about what.
He was like oh, you could havenever worked for anyone else.
(25:55):
And I was like oh, I guess itwas kind of in the stars.
It was there you go.
You know and even the few jobsthat I had.
I was left completely on my own.
He was like that was the onlyway you could be successful,
because you're just sodetermined, and that was really
an empowering moment for mepersonally, but also on a big
picture, thinking aboutentrepreneurship, I was like you
(26:15):
know, not everybody is cut outfor it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No, no, not at all.
Not at all.
This isn't for everybody andthere's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right and there's nothing wrong with like I mean,
and I think that's you know.
I know this is a sidebar to thequestion, but it's such an
important point about right now.
We are going through massivechange on Earth right now.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
no-transcript, janine what does that mean to you?
You're pointing to the tip ofyour finger for those who can't
see this right.
Your finger's out and you'repointing to the tip of your
finger, and that is where ourfingerprints are.
Ah, fascinating.
Okay, that is where ourfingerprints are when we hear
the word fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What does that bring up for you?
What does that?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
evoke.
That's your own identity,that's your uniqueness to you
Completely unique.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you know what?
If you even ask a fifth graderthat they would answer it the
way you did?
Right, we're unique.
You're all different.
Yes, we all know this, but veryfew of us and I, I'm myself
included really comprehend thedepth of what that means.
Sure, we are completely unique,completely down to our DNA.
(27:47):
Even identical twins, there areenergetic differences.
Yes, of course, and that isthis journey at this point in
time is to really wake up tothat uniqueness of who we are
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Like you're talking about the uniqueness of who, you
are, waking up to it andembracing it as a positive.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And cultivating, going back even to the workplace
, cultivating an environmentwhere discovering that
uniqueness is nurtured.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, where discovering?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
that uniqueness is nurtured and honored from some
type of organizational design,which is part of what I touch on
.
So, yeah.
So back to I'm like, okay, I'mgoing to be an entrepreneur Now
what I still don't know Right,I'm kind of remembering I took
those career assessments thattold me, you know, be a
consultant.
But I I mean, I just wentthrough grad school and so I got
(28:37):
a job for a hot minute, butthat didn't work out, of course
not, but it was really cool.
I got this really cool job downin Charleston, south Carolina,
working for a green real estatedeveloper who was integrating
environmental preservation andsocial.
Yeah, so that was a cool littlesidebar in that phase of like,
what am I going to do?
Right, I'm standing inStarbucks.
(28:57):
One day this is how theuniverse is speaking to us when
we're paying attention I'mstanding in line at a Starbucks
and I look over and on a coffeetable.
There there was a magazine andon the cover it said the three
secrets to success, the threetop success secrets for
entrepreneurs, and I was like,oh, you know?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
message from the universe.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
So I flipped through it.
I opened to the article and I'mlike I don't want to read the
article.
I'm like where's the text boxthat has the top three secrets,
right, just where's the cheatsheet.
And well, what would you guesswas the?
According to this article,right, it was a local business
publication in Cleveland.
What would you guess?
The number one success factorthey listed was for
entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I would say commitment drive,
resourcefulness flexible.
Those were probably in the top10 because You're like, yeah,
those weren't the top threethough, so share the top three.
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Here's the thing I'll just own up.
I don't even remember two andthree.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I just remember the top one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's great.
Which is what?
What they say is the top onework for someone else first oh
interesting.
Okay, ramp you up the learningcurve.
So again, I call it bread crumbfrom the universe.
I'm like I don't know what I'mdoing yet, but I know I'm
supposed to work with someoneelse first to help me.
Right Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
We have that learning curve, same same, yes, yes.
So I ended up working with awoman at Charleston, moved there
, didn't last.
It was like two years stint,great opportunity, love, the
beautiful ocean.
Charleston's a great town inmany, many ways was was not a
vibrational match, for for me,I'll just say in terms of my
mindset and everything.
Anyhow, I worked for anotherwoman who was what was doing,
(30:42):
what I was interested inorganizational behavior.
She was an entrepreneur.
I worked with her for sevenyears, almost to the day, and
then after that I launched on myown, having really had the
blessing of working with her.
She had had a company before anarchitecture firm, a corporate
interiors architecture firm, andshe knew how to be a rainmaker,
she knew how to bring insix-figure contracts and so
(31:05):
really just being around her andthat, I think, really helped me
learn more about, becauseyou've got to know how to sell
right, of course.
Absolutely, it's a requirementand I learned that.
I learned how to writeproposals.
I learned kind of the artistryof what I still do now.
And then I launched on my ownin the very end of 2011.
(31:25):
I'm a numerology junkie.
I wanted to launch my businesson November 11th, 2011.
11, 11, 11.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Love.
I'm a huge angel number person11,.
11 is my number, yep.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh, that's awesome.
And here's another little likestory about.
You don't have to have it allfigured out.
I was like praying andmeditating what's the name of my
business?
What's the name of my business?
No answer, but I was likedetermined I'm going to file
this business on 11-11-11.
So I just came up with aplaceholder name.
Yeah, it was Blank Canvas byDesign.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
And then a few months later I kept kind of, you know,
asking the universe like what'sthe name of my business?
I was working out and it justdropped in.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Isn't it amazing yeah .
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And I really have to say like again, following the
mystery, I loved the name, but Istill wasn't 100% clear on what
it meant.
Right, it took me time to kindof just dive in and start
swimming around with.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
What does it mean to innovate and, of course, from a
place of integrity, to live itmyself and to create a business
platform that you can clearlyarticulate to someone who's
going to be buying it as well.
There is that whole part ofthis equation, especially when
you're trying to sell servicesconsulting services to
(32:40):
organizations that aren't as wooand aren't as spiritual, and
the narrative that you haveabout what you're doing is
really important, because youhave to resonate with them and
they're functioning at a verydifferent vibration corporately
than you're going to befunctioning at.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Absolutely.
You named it, sister, and Iwill tell you it was a struggle.
First time Now I had anadvantage that I so I was in
Cleveland, ohio, living there,northeast Ohio.
I cut my teeth as anentrepreneur there, very, very
grateful.
I consulted with all kinds ofsectors.
I did a lot of nonprofit work.
There's a ton of nonprofits inNortheast Ohio that are funded
(33:17):
by a huge foundation fundingcommunity and there's also what
organizational behavior it'salso called organizational
development is a known thing inthat business ecosystem and that
business geography.
There are two PhD programs init, like people know it.
I was responding to requests forproposals and competing against
(33:39):
other people who did the samething that I did so, and I
didn't bring the woo until muchlater.
I was still using concepts thatI had learned and even though
there was kind of a woo behind,just because I knew it was a lot
about energy and relationships,then I didn't bring the woo
until the past seven years.
Interestingly, however, in thepast three years I've moved to
(34:01):
Southern California, nice, yeah,I live in Orange County now in
Laguna Beach, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
The sun, yes, the energy, the sun being outdoors,
it's good for the soul.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, after living around the Great Lakes which
love all that fresh water, theenergy, the sun, being outdoors
it's good for the soul.
Yeah, after living around theGreat Lakes, which love all that
fresh water, I love my trees,they're my people I'm like I
just can't do eight months of nosunshine anymore.
Yeah, I'm with you, I totallyhear you, and I finally realized
(34:35):
that my own well-being speakingof wellness was paramount and I
have always had a strong senseof purpose and calling that if I
really was going to serve theworld, I had to put myself first
, and that was not easy and Istill am waking up to that it's
work, making yourself a priorityand a commitment first in your
life and recognizing that's notselfish, but that's what's going
to put you in the greatestposition to serve and to serve
(34:58):
others and to be able to be thebest you can be for others.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
It definitely takes time to learn how to how to do
that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, and we say it, and I've said it for 10 or 15
years and living it.
Oh my God, it's totallydifferent.
I mean it mean it unfolded mymarriage of 20 years.
It ended because I had put myown needs first and stand there
and being concerned about beingthought of as selfish and
(35:25):
self-centered.
It's hard, but you have to walkthrough that fire?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You do and I bet you have found.
Are you now attracting morelike-minded people into your
life now that you've done that,who can be there to support you
at this new level that you're at?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Absolutely my new.
I have mom friends out here inLaguna Beach who have walked
through very similar journeys.
You know different but divorcedsingle.
You know single moms and we'reyou know many of them
entrepreneurs, because OrangeCounty is very entrepreneurial.
It's a very different careerand business environment where I
(36:02):
was in Northeast Ohio and again, they're just different, right,
yes, right, northeast Ohio wasvery much about you get a job.
You go to college, you get ajob, you have a career.
You kind of I'm saying thiswith respect and dignity you
kind of keep your head down andjust do your job.
Yeah, sure, and you'd begrateful for a great salary.
You go to Florida for a week inspring break.
(36:23):
You take a family vacation insummertime.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And rinse and repeat, and you do that again next year
.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Dreaming.
That's irresponsible, right?
Yep, yeah, so I always kind ofresonated with the west coast
mindset.
That is a more you know.
I mean, our business economycomes from the west coast, right
from Seattle to San Diego andeverything in between.
There's a lot of innovationthat comes from this part of the
country and that comes from amindset.
(36:51):
So even here in Orange Countythere's a lot of
entrepreneurialism.
Everything here is much younger, right?
I was used to having clients.
My top client back in NortheastOhio was a 73-year-old family
third-generation family business.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know.
So here it's very different.
You know there's tons of moneyflowing through here, lots of
entrepreneurial spirit, lots ofpeople who have started
companies, sold companies.
You know they're living on the$10 million that they sold their
company for Right and they'rethinking about maybe doing
another one.
You know it's so different.
So different here, same country,such a different culture, and
(37:30):
not many people have heard ofwhat I do.
Now, all of a sudden, I'm like,okay, I need to.
It's a whole new opportunity asan entrepreneur to share my
business case and to describewhat I do.
So it is starting over.
You know, we're just never doneright.
Right, you're evolving, we'reevolving, you're evolving.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
We're evolving.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're evolving.
So now I mean I'm now single,I'm kind of I'm still doing
Yinovate, but the beautifulthing is it's really inviting me
to become even more crystalclear on what I offer in my
value proposition yes andbecoming more distilled with how
I describe what I do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, so who's your ideal client?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Well, my ideal client-.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Today, in this case, today are Because it evolves.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, thank you.
My ideal client are women inthe C-suite level in
male-dominated industries.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That's not hard to find those.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And in particular I would have never guessed this,
but it kind of right now, herein Orange County, I'm focusing
on the construction industry.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh yeah, oh, very male dominated yes.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, so I have just had drawn to me women who are at
the very top or close to youknow, one step away from the top
.
They're the only.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yep Sure.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And the thing that's so fascinating and the amazing
opportunity is one on some level, people know that that woman is
the glue that holds the companytogether.
That's kind of a pattern, sure,right, and I've actually I'm
working on a keynote for a womanin construction initiative here
in orange county and what wewere talking about just this
(39:08):
week is that the way women leadis different.
Right, I'm speaking in largestereotypes.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I know there are exceptions to this on both sides
99% of the time.
It's very true, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
We're more collaborative, we're more
adaptive, we're inflexible, weare juggling the kids home work,
right.
Again.
There are exceptions to this,but especially if you've made it
to that top level, if you're ina director level or above,
you're a badass.
You're basically a freakingsuperhero Like where's your cape
, where's your costume?
Right, yep, right.
(39:44):
And so we're talking aboutthese attributes.
Right, these capacities are notonly holding the company
together, but they're really thedirection that the business
world is going to need to movein or is moving in Correct, it's
just, it's the capacities thatnot just women are bringing, but
that companies need to bringmore of, and you know every,
(40:08):
every business and industry isgoing to be at their own pace of
of recognizing that, right,yeah, so how just to get
specific for a minute, and thenwe're going to be at their own
pace of recognizing that Rightyeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So how just to get specific for a minute and then
we're going to switch gears.
How specifically are youhelping your clients?
So what way are youspecifically helping them?
Just so we could give somepeople some context behind the
actual work you do.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Absolutely, thank you .
So what I'm now referring to inthis book I don't know if this
is the time to mention it Ispecifically my artistry, if you
will, as a consultant, is I amI refer to myself as a mastery
level facilitator and soessentially what I've honed over
the years, I come in and I'mall about, I'm coming to work
(40:51):
with a C-suite, so the CEO, cfo,whoever and you know, not
everybody uses those terms butbasically the people at the top
who are running the show yes,correct, right, yep, and I,
through a series of both, askingthem questions, I take them
through what I call a wholesystems up level Okay, the whole
of the company.
And basically my processintegrates or combines strategic
(41:17):
planning, culture strengthening, team building and leadership
development into one process.
Great that I lead peoplethrough.
So it's very efficient.
And I facilitate with a seriesof questions and frameworks of
how you think about the companyto have them answer the
(41:39):
questions and the act of themanswering these questions.
One, it helps them become clear, so it generates clarity.
And because I'm facilitatingwhich one of the biggest values
of having a professionalfacilitator is, first of all, it
allows the person at the top toactually participate and not
facilitate.
Yes, there's kind of I'mbuilding awareness of to help
(42:00):
people understand the value ofactually having a facilitator.
Yeah sure, right, becausefacilitation is an art.
I mean I did post-graduatetraining in the skill of group
process facilitation.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, right, yes, it's a skill for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's important more than ever.
One, you need to have a neutraloutsider holding space for the
conversations.
Two, if you're paying thosepeople at the top the salaries
that you are, they're bringingthe talent that they have.
When you're having importantdecision level conversations,
you want them to fullyparticipate and bring their best
to the conversation.
Right, of course.
(42:35):
Right, and as the owner if Imean if it's, you know, a
privately held or even if it'san employee owned right, an ESOP
you, you want everyone to fullybe able to engage.
And as the person, if you are,you know, as the CEO you want to
be a participant.
And it's impossible to be afacilitator and a participant in
(42:58):
decision level conversations.
It's two completely differentskill sets.
It's beyond like trying to patyour tummy in your head at the
same time.
It's another whole level.
So I come in as a facilitatorto make their lives easier,
because I design theconversations kind of assessing
conversations with the people atthe top to like understand,
like what are the issues,where's their clarity, where's
(43:19):
their vagueness?
Yep, where almost alwaysthere's siloing, right, that is
a major thing, you know andyou've got.
Think about it.
You've got these very driventype A people who end up at that
level.
They're not as accustomed toplaying ball together.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Right At the top.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, and they've got their whole area that they're
trying to just protect air quoteor make sure it's high
performing.
Yes, so that's really what I dois I have this whole system up
leveling and I address threelevels then of the company of
course, the whole of theorganization by working with and
through the people at the top.
I also have a program thatbrings in the science of the
heart, bringing that taglineback, leading through the heart
(44:03):
on kind of training and buildingteam.
That comes from the HeartMathInstitute, which I am trained.
I have multiple certificationsthrough them.
And then so that'sorganizational level, which I
just mentioned, and then groupor team level, because
everything happens via teamstoday.
And then I have a, a, a Yinovate.
It uses the hero's journeywhere I work with individuals,
and I do that either one-on-onetypically CEOs like to be
(44:25):
working, they like one-on-one,but I can also do it in small
groups sometime and it's calledYinovate, your hero like it.
And it takes the coachingprogram I lead people through
has a curriculum that takes themon the journey home.
I call it home to your heart.
Yeah, home to who you reallyare the hero of your own life.
It goes back to thatfingerprint, bringing out what
(44:45):
it is that you are uniquely hereto live and give the world,
because we all are here for areason.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yes, yes, and I love that you're bringing that to
organizations and bringing atouch of that into corporate,
quite honestly, because it needsthat.
Corporate needs that, thathuman component.
So that is really interesting.
Thank you for sharing.
I love that.
Okay, so can we switch gearsbefore we run out of time,
because I think it's reallyimportant to share this.
I love for people to understandwhat wellness means to us
personally in our day-to-daylives, because I think it's
(45:19):
important.
People see some of us as publicfigures and they're like, oh,
my goodness, like how does shehave it all together and how is
she so connected to that?
When the universe speaks, sheknows, and she knows what to do
and all of those things.
So if you wouldn't mind sharingwith people you know, what does
wellness look like in your life?
What are you practicing to beable to be your best and your
(45:40):
optimal self?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
in your life.
It's a great question and Ilove that.
That's what your show is about.
It's such a service to theworld.
For me, it all comes back tosomething we talked about
earlier.
It all comes back to somethingwe talked about earlier, and
that is having a relationshipwith yourself, and the way in
which we talked about thatearlier was your intuition,
right?
Yep, now that's a generic term,your intuition.
(46:04):
But what that, to me, what thatreally is about, is a
relationship with yourself.
Yeah, and specifically what Iteach with the Hero's Journey is
the awareness that we actuallyhave two a minimum of two, but
on a high big picture level twoparts of ourself.
We have our higher self and wehave our human self, and
(46:25):
wellness really starts withcultivating that relationship
with your higher self, whichcomes through the voice of your
intuition.
And there's a lot underneaththat.
But I mentioned that first andforemost because, to me,
wellness is about you have toknow yourself and what really
takes care of you.
We could get lost in the amountof podcasts and YouTubes.
(46:47):
I mean.
There's so much information outthere of like, do this practice
or that practice, or the 5 amwake up, and all of that.
I mean one of my spiritualmentors said to me people used
to always ask her what's yourmorning routine?
And she said I could tell youit, but it's not going to help
you because you need to knowyour morning routine.
Right now we can experimentwith things that resonate with
(47:08):
us to find, like, if we don'tjust know it automatically,
right, we can go through trialand error.
But to really honor and themore we know about ourselves,
said another way self-awareness,which is a journey.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Sure, of course yes, and recognize it's not a
destination, it's a journey,it's a process, it's going to
ebb and flow and evolve Right.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
And then just that framework of like starting with
our health, like what takes careof me physically.
We know generically like food,diet, hydration drink water
movement.
But like, what does that mean tome?
Do you like to run, do you liketo walk?
What environment takes care ofyou?
That's something that humandesign has been really awesome
and I want to give a shout outto my human design teacher,
(47:49):
jamie Palmer.
She's amazing.
Jamiepalmercom, I think, is herwebsite.
But to really know what takescare of you, what lights you up?
For me, I finally was like Ilove being by the ocean.
It nurtures me and it took meyears of guilt to move through,
guilt of like who am I to thinkI could live by the ocean.
(48:11):
Right, who do I think I am?
But it feeds my soul to seeblue sky and blue ocean and to
hear the sound of those waves.
Like that takes care of me.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, and yeah, it was a big, bold move and I
know that's not somethingeveryone does, but when I was in
Ohio, it was walking in thetrees and in the forest you know
Cleveland has a lot of treesand making time in my calendar
for that, or as simple as liketaking a hot bath and so on, a
very granular I know I'mspeaking big picture, but I
(48:44):
think it's really like puttingit in our calendar right, our
calendars are our most powerfultools for transformation.
If you, as you're listening,know one to two things that you
know take care of you workingout, taking a hot salt bath,
walking in the woods, sittingand just staring out the window,
because we know, generically,that nature takes care of us.
(49:05):
We know that for surescientifically, that nature is
regenerative.
Being in nature, yes, it is,and doing things that are
creative very generically.
So what is it that?
What kind of nature nurturesyou and what type of creative
thingy takes care of you?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
on some level, right, and that doesn't have to be
that you're the next you knowPicasso either.
No, it could be so many otherthings I have this right here.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
I keep these little like from Target, these little
art books that like, see, theseare my little.
I mean, it's like almost stickpeople that I draw or like
plants.
That's my one of my other ohgardening.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Gardening is something that's incredibly
creative that people don'treally think about, but if you
love to garden, playing withbeing with the dirt and
connecting with nature throughgardening is an incredibly
creative way.
Cooking incredibly creativeMusic, playing an instrument,
dancing things that people caneasily do without needing stuff.
Totally easily get up and danceand how does that make you feel
(50:01):
?
By moving your body and dancingand listening to music, and
that is a form of creativity.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It's your practical things, of your practical life,
right, like that is one of the.
I remember I had my firstspiritual teacher said you know,
your, your, your daily life isyour spiritual practice.
I was like what I was thinkingyou know you needed to go to an
ashram or sit in some specialsacred place and it's like, no,
like the way I cook my dinner,the way I plan my food, you know
(50:26):
I can dance while I'm cooking.
You know, put some music on allof that of keep.
Because, as moms and as peoplewith careers, on all of that of
keep, because as moms and aspeople with careers, we got to
keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, exactly, and right, it's the little things
that you dip into the day.
You know that you can drop intoyour day.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
That can help you with that and help you connect
to you and the last thing I willsay on that note and this is
the simplest, and I will sayit's been the most challenging
and I've been mentioning thisfor 15 years and I'm still
living into it myself, kind of,admittedly, becoming a
recovering kind of workaholic.
I mean, I just work, work, work, work, you know, is throughout
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the day.
To take a three to five minutepause, yeah, and I actually am a
big fan of pausing.
I, I a.
I don't know if it's okay forme to promote something, but I
have this app on my phone.
Yeah, it's great If you can seeit here.
It's called the Triple Flameapp.
I follow this body of awarenesscalled the Gene Keys.
This is the Gene Keys.
(51:23):
It's the Triple Flame and allit does is you can set it for,
like it goes off every threehours and I can set it if it
wants a three minute pause, afive minute pause or 10 minute
pause, and then it has eithersilent or guided, and the whole
point of that app is justpausing.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I love it.
That's so great.
I love it.
Thank you for sharing that.
You can absolutely promote thatand share that.
That's fantastic, thank you.
Is that sometimes what peopleneed?
They just need to know where doI go, what do I do, all those
kinds of things.
Okay, so before we run out oftime, I love to ask all my
guests to recommend a book thathas impacted them personally or
professionally.
We already talked about one inthe very beginning, but I know
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you have more, because I justfeel that books change lives,
and your story is a completeexample and testament to the
fact that a book can change alife.
So what other book other thanbeing Peace, which I love, would
you like to recommend to ouraudience.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yes Well, my favorite business book that I use to
legitimize what I do as aconsultant I wish I had it right
here to hold up is by PatUnchione.
It's a business book and thetitle is the Advantage.
Oh okay, I like it.
The subtitle is why Organiztrumps everything else in
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business.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Oh, so true.
Yeah, yeah, so true.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And he's brilliant.
He's, he's my, he's like, doeswhat I do.
But, like you know, he's up inthe Bay area.
He went to Stanford, he code,he consults all the bigs but
he's written a dozen books.
Most people know.
Sidebar, most people know.
The book that he's written thatmost people know is called the
Five Dysfunctions of Teen.
If you're in the world, Itotally know that book.
yes, so this is.
(53:02):
He's written lots of them.
This is another one, but thatbook frames the case for what I
do.
But he says that basically fororganizations he differentiates
between a company or anorganization being smart versus
healthy.
Yeah, On your topic of wellness, right and health, Sure and
smart is like all the thingsthat you learn in business
school, like finance, marketing,IT, you know sales and he's
(53:26):
like those are great, but thenhealthy is low politics low
turnover, high engagement lowpolitics, low turnover, high
engagement and, he says, is thata healthy company will
eventually get smarter andsmarter because people are
talking to each other, they likebeing together, they're having
difficult conversations andworking through conflict.
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But a smart business isn'talways healthy.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Correct.
Very true, whoa, okay, what abeautiful way to end.
I thank you so much, adele, forcoming on.
I will link in the show noteseverything about how people can
find you, how they can followyou, how they can reach out to
you for more information.
You are super inspiring withyour story, so thank you for
being vulnerable, sharing yourjourney.
I love your approach and whatyou're bringing to organizations
(54:13):
and helping women, especiallywomen at the top, because they
really need it.
So thank you so much for beinga guest and I'm excited to stay
connected with you.
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
I hope you have a beautiful day you too.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Thank you so much.
It has been truly an honor tobe your guest and thank you for
the amazing work you're doing inthe world.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
All right soon.
Bye, thanks, bye for now Bye.
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This has been a House of Germarproduction with your host, jean
Collins.
Thank you for joining our house.
My artistry, if you will, as a consultant is I am I
refer to myself as a masterylevel facilitator and so
essentially what I've honed overthe years.
I work with the C-suite, so theCEO, cfo, whoever and you know,
not everybody uses those termsbut basically the people at the
top who are running the showright, and I, through a series
(00:22):
of both, asking them questions,I take them through what I call
a whole systems up level, thewhole of the company, and
basically my process integratesor combines strategic planning,
culture strengthening, teambuilding and leadership
development into one processthat I lead people through.
(00:47):
So it's very efficient.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome to the House of Jermar podcast, where
wellness starts within.
The House of Jermar is alifestyle brand, empowering
women to live all in throughinterior design and personal
wellness.
We are a destination for womenready to reimagine what is
possible in their homes andlives and then create it.
We are honored to have you joinus on our mission to empower 1
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million women to live all in.
I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
Welcome to the House of Jomarpodcast, where wellness starts
with it.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today we have Adele DeMarco.
I am so excited to talk to her.
I have never met her before.
Actually, I take that back.
We tried to record this once,about six weeks ago without my
(01:37):
producer, and we were completelyunsuccessful as two very
intelligent entrepreneurs tryingto figure out how to record and
make it so that I could hearher and she could hear me, and
it didn't work.
So here we are again.
So, adele, I appreciate yougiving it a second try.
And, before I forget, your firmis called Yinovate Consulting
and Coaching, so I am reallyexcited to talk about your
journey, wellness, what Yinovateeven means, and I thank you for
(02:01):
a willingness to come on asecond time.
So welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Thank you, my pleasure, it's an honor and a
delight.
I love what your show is aboutand I am always delighted to
talk about women andentrepreneurship and career for
every stage.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Every stage right, exactly Because it can be
constantly evolving, and I lovethat.
You're also, you know, you'reinto wellness, you're into a
little woo and spirituality,right.
And so you and I connected onour false first try at this and
both of us were like it's justthe universe, we're just not
meant to do this today, it'sjust because today's just not
our day.
But here we are, today isfinally our day.
(02:39):
So I also love gettingconnected to like-minded women
who kind of believe in the powerof the universe and
spirituality.
So we'll touch on that too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Great.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's start with your career journey, because you're
now an entrepreneur, you have aconsulting and coaching firm,
which is not where you started.
So I love to share people'sjourneys so that people can
recognize that how we got towhere we are today is not linear
.
There are lots of paths, thereare lots of steps.
It's all linear.
There are lots of paths, thereare lots of steps.
It's all a process.
It's all evolving and to helpinspire women that there are a
lot of things that are possiblein life if you just open
(03:08):
yourself up.
So if you wouldn't mind sharinga little about your journey,
how you got to being the founderof Yinovate, yeah, thank you,
and it was definitely.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
My journey was definitely not a straight path.
I feel like it had lots ofloop-de-loops and sidebars, and
mainly through my 20s.
So I'll tell the journey fromtwo different angles.
One, what inspired me at ayounger age to do what I'm doing
(03:37):
now, but it didn't cause me toimmediately follow that.
So I think that's a reallyimportant point for people to
listen to is to notice.
It's kind of like collectingthe nuggets along the way of
things that impact you.
So, starting out, when I was inhigh school, my mom went through
a divorce and went back to workand she loved her job, she
loved what she did.
She was in nursing but shewould come home and she loved
(03:59):
taking care of the patients andshe would come home and she
would complain about themanagement right, about her
bosses, and she was like youknow, I don't understand how
they just don't know what's bestfor the patients and what
really supports us as theemployees to best take care of
our patients, right, in otherwords, to do our jobs the best
that we're able and, forwhatever reason that just stuck
(04:22):
with me, you know, filed it away.
Life went on.
I was still on that at thatpoint in time, because my mom
was in healthcare, speaking ofhealing and wellness, I thought
I was going to med school.
I was a biology major.
I then because I'm a little bit,you know, I don't always color
inside the lines I also becamevery drawn, after getting a
(04:44):
degree in biology, into thefield of anthropology, of
looking at cultures.
I was fascinated by culturesaround the world and so
initially I was in this MD PhDprogram right, super rigorous,
super nerd, and I actually itwas when I was reading.
This was started my spiritualjourney.
I was reading a book.
I know you love books, I do so.
(05:06):
This is one book.
I have two to mention, but thiswas the one that first impacted
me, and it was.
I was in my twenties still, Iwas in grad, I was in a PhD
program.
So I was kind of doing the MDPhD thing one at a time, and I
was reading a book by theVietnamese Buddhist monk, and I
was reading a book by theVietnamese Buddhist monk, thich
Nhat Hanh.
Some of you may know him and thebook was called being Peace
(05:30):
P-E-A-C-E, B-E-I-G Peace and Ican't tell you exactly what I
read at the time, but I justremember I had this full body
experience of knowing that Icould completely put down going
to medical school.
It wasn't aligned with who I amWow.
Now, mind you, I was already ina PhD program at this point,
(05:53):
but the moment I made thatdecision, I remember right where
I was sitting and this clarityjust came over me and it I
literally felt like I set myselffree, Like I literally jumped
off, jumped off of my bed that Iwas reading it on and I like I
mean I didn't do a cartwheel inthat room, but I kind of did an
energetic, you know, like thehappy dance, because it wasn't
(06:15):
that I knew what I was going todo, but I just knew I wasn't
going to do that.
Like I got off that bus, wowyeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I love the power of that because I talk to people
all the time about learning totrust their intuition and
learning to be able to tap intotheir intuition and know when
their intuition is speaking tothem, and it's a it's an
incredible skill to have.
It's actually amazing at such ayoung age that you did have
that.
That's a gift.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I do.
I feel very blessed, like inhindsight.
I did cultivate my real I callit my relationship with the
divine and, yes, I coach andguide on intuition.
And I will tell you, afterintentionally working with my
own intuition and doing my bestto talk about it and teach it
with other people, I have cometo realize it's not like a flip
(07:01):
a switch that you just flip andall of a sudden you can work
with your intuition.
It's deep, it's personal.
It's not like a flip a switchthat you just flip and all of a
sudden you can work with yourintuition.
It's deep, it's personal, it'sunique to each individual.
It is the voice from within,but the way in which that speaks
to us varies so much fromperson to person.
Even again, in that moment, myintuition didn't tell me what I
was going to do.
(07:22):
It just really clearly told methis was not it.
This is not it, this is notyour divine destiny.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And what I was going to do.
It just really clearly told methis was not it, this is not it,
this is not your divine destiny.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And what I realized.
I just I'll do my best to stayfocused on one line because I
integrate so many things, but alittle bit of what I've been
studying in the past year or twois human design.
I actually I'm a bigger devoteeto a body of knowledge that
grew out of that called the genekeys, but that's a sidebar.
But what I've come toappreciate in human design is
(07:50):
part of what that premise is, iswaking up to your own true self
, and in that you do it byrecognizing the ways in which
you were conditioned right Awayfrom your authentic true self.
And in that moment, with thestory I shared of reading the
book being Peace, what Irealized my mom's coming into
(08:10):
the story again is that was mymom's dream.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh, fascinating yes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And because I was like, how is it that I knew when
I was five years old, I wasgoing to go to medical school?
Well, because she was a nurseand she and she also really from
a place of love she wanted toempower me.
It was the seventies, and whatwere the two things like?
If you, as a woman, right, wejust emerged out of the three
career choices let's seesecretary, nurse and teacher.
(08:39):
And then I had added in, youcan be a doctor or a lawyer,
right, like those were thecareer paths of empowerment.
Of course, yes, there's truthto that right.
Definitely greater earningpower.
I loved science, I love biology, I love studying.
You know life.
So anyhow, yeah, that was thatmoment as I woke up and I was
(09:00):
like this is not my dream.
So then, what.
So then, what right?
So then the work up and I waslike this is not my dream.
So then, what?
So then, what right?
So then the work starts and Ifeel like I've still been on
that path in many ways.
So I was very blessed At thetime.
I had just started a jobworking for this is a big term
an academic medical center.
What does that mean?
I worked in a hospital that wasconnected to a medical school
(09:22):
and I worked for the children'shospital.
I was so blessed I was hired tostart this very unique
pediatric center this was in the90s that was specializing in
the care for children who werebeing internationally adopted at
the time.
Wow, yeah, that was a very,very unique experience.
Yeah, fascinating.
I learned so much about earlychildhood development.
(09:45):
Yeah, it really became aspiritual awakening for me as
well, because it really deepenedmy awareness to how much our
early childhood affects us forthe rest of our lives.
So, because I worked Imentioned that academic medical
center thing.
I actually was an employee ofthe med school and that meant I
(10:06):
got to take classes for free.
So I was running this medicalclinic, managing five
pediatricians and consultingwith families, and it was.
I got to go to Russia and visitorphanages.
I was in this management roleand I was like I don't know if I
know, even know what I'm doing.
I was kind of the doctor whohired me was always traveling
around the world.
She was like always beingcalled in by the International
(10:30):
Red Cross to work for like helpwith refugee crises, and she was
a very inspiring woman,definitely ahead of her time.
But anyhow, I was kind of lefton my own so I took some classes
in the business school becauseI could, for free.
And the business school that Iwent to was also very unique.
(10:51):
It was Case Western ReserveUniversity in Cleveland, ohio.
It had a very strong emphasison the field of organizational
behavior, which I had no ideawas even a thing.
Right.
But I literally it felt like theclouds parted and you know that
image, for like the sunlightjust shines through the clouds
on some sort of path.
I mean, I know that I totallynerded out.
I was like, oh, this is whatI'm supposed to do anthropology
(11:25):
even which I had already had abit of a background in
anthropology and my focus wasactually on it was called
medical anthropology, but it wasall on health and and healing
and wellness through the lens ofculture.
Yeah, I was like this wasawesome.
I ended up doing an MBA programand that, because
organizational behavior was somuch a part of the whole of this
program, they had us asstudents take pretty rigorous,
(11:47):
basically, career assessments toget a sense of, like, what are
your strengths?
It just kept telling me to be aconsultant.
It kept saying you're meant tobe a consultant.
I didn't even really know whatthat meant.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like that's broad, that's broad, thank you, thank
you, universe.
That's very broad.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I kind of filed that away.
But still, I mean I interviewedfor McKinsey and those you know
big firms, but I was like atthat I'm sure I don't know if
it's still this way, but that intime I mean it was very
lucrative.
You know, they started you atgreat salaries but you basically
like got on an airplane onMonday and lived in hotels till
Friday and I was just recentlymarried and I was like I'm going
(12:23):
to be divorced in a year, right, I just I was still working at
the children's hospital and Ijust kept.
I just kept following myinterest.
I was really interested,through my graduate school work
too, in again and how I'm stillalways interested in women and
children.
That was my focus when I was inthe MD.
(12:44):
Phd focus was always interestedin women and children.
That was my focus when I was inthe MD.
Phd focus was how to supportwomen and children, because I
still to this day, 25, reallyalmost 30 years later I still
believe that if we really wantto change the world for the
better, intervening with womenand children is the most
powerful intervention point, themost powerful leverage point.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Couldn't agree more yeah, and women as entrepreneurs
.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And I'll share a quick little anecdote.
When I was in that graduateprogram in medical anthropology
right so it's such a esotericterm, I don't even know if they
still refer to that.
It's a very 80s term.
But anyhow, I was in a classand this actually really
impacted me.
This man it was a lecture seriesand this man who had formerly
worked for the World HealthOrganization he was a physician,
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he was the head of the publichospital in Cleveland at the
time and it was really a lectureseries about careers.
And so many of the people whoattend this lecture series were
nurses and doctors in training.
And he came in and he said toeveryone there, all of us in the
audience he said so why do youwant this career as a, you know,
(13:55):
as a nurse or a doctor or anurse practitioner?
And people answered you know,kind of like, I want to help
heal, I want to, you know, makethe world healthier.
And he was like well, I'll tellyou right now.
And he's like if you really wantto help the world get healthier
, you're in the wrong career, ohmy goodness.
And he shared data.
Wow, yeah, he shared data fromthe World Health Organization.
(14:17):
And he said, findings haveshown, when we do research in
developing countries and otherparts of the world that were
parts that aren't yet developed,that and, in particular, places
that have really high morbidityand mortality rates right, a
lot of sick people and highdeath rates that if you really
want to make the biggestdifference to help everyone heal
(14:40):
, the number one thing you cando is educate and empower the
women.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The number one thing you can do is educate and
empower the women.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yep, love it.
Research has shown and now thiswas in the 90s, so I think
research, like with Grameen Bankand other micro lending
programs, have grown since thattime.
But he said we have found thatif you give women access to
education and access toresources by basically becoming
their own entrepreneurs, thewhole boat rises Right Sure.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The impact is broad.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Right and I think that I don't have a memory of
like that, if that was before orafter that aha moment I shared
with reading the being peacebook.
But I think it just started tofile away Right, and I think
that's really important forlisteners to hear of.
Like, sometimes it's justlittle pieces of information
that we file away.
File away it kind of builds upright, instead of just like one
(15:31):
quick switch, like okay, now I'mdoing this.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah Right, there were things that happened along
the way before you had your ahamoment that prepared you and
built up the ability to be awareand to have the aha moment.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It doesn't just happen like that Right In the
moment, it feels like it justhappened, but we're not aware of
the bank account, the internalbank account, so to speak, of
data points that built the case.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yes, yes, it's work that's potentially been
happening over years.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, just to honor that and have reverence
and have patience, you know,because I do believe that every
single one of us is exactlywhere we are meant to be, and I
and I.
It doesn't mean that if we'regoing through a hard time we're
supposed to just kind of like,eat it and suffer, but to know
(16:22):
that even those times like I'mpersonally in another, you know,
tumultuous phase of life.
But after being such a studentof I call it now universal laws
because I work in the businesscommunity, so a big part of what
I do is like how can Itranslate these terms that are
considered kind of woo-woo intothings that are palatable to
(16:42):
people in the business world,right?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Correct Right.
You don't want to turn them alloff and scare everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Exactly and, at the same time, I really want them to
benefit the value of some ofthese concepts, right?
Yes, so that's kind of.
One of my personal charges ismaking the information around
personal growth and universallaws as accessible to as wide of
an audience as possible, andthat's part of what I'm doing
(17:07):
with Innovate.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh, which is so great .
So talk to me about Innovatethe name.
How did you start that?
What made you decide to takethat plunge and get in that
direction?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, thank you.
So Innovate it's like Yin Yangor Yin Yang, right, yeah,
innovate means to innovate fromthe inside out Ooh, I like that
and specifically through yourheart and from your soul, and
it's a concept.
So the name of my business isboth the name of my business and
(17:36):
it's the term for my process toinnovate, so I say it's a noun
and a verb Right Okay, which isgood.
And it applies and I'll talk alittle bit more about what I do
and how I got there.
It applies on like I work withorganizations.
That's really my jam.
Going back to that story aboutmy mom I shared in the beginning
is I'm really, reallypassionate about the workplace.
(17:57):
It's this huge opportunity forevolution.
I believe that the workplace isthis highly underutilized,
underleveraged learningcommunity for really personal
transformation through ourprofessional work.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Sure Well, it's where we spend most of our time and
the reality is is most of thecountry has a W-2 organizational
job.
Not everybody is anentrepreneur like we are.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's actually the exception, not the norm, right
right and, having coachedentrepreneurs myself, one of the
greatest challenges and I knowI struggled with this as well is
when you're on that path ofawakening, it can become really
lonely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, that is the most common struggle when people
first start out, especially ifyou're an entrepreneur right,
because you're already kind of,you know, doing a solo show as a
woman, right, yes, unless youknow you already have a big
company.
But even then, if you're at thetop, it's still kind of lonely,
very lonely, yeah.
So I'm like, hey, you know,you've at the workplace, you've
got this built in community ofsupport With other people who
(19:09):
are on this, on a similar path,if you bring some of these
concepts into the workplace.
So really, I mean, I've coached, I've consulted, I've done more
consulting than coaching, andthe simple way I discern between
those two is consulting iswhere you're working with the
organization and coaching iswith the individuals.
And then I also coach groupsand teams, which is kind of
hybrid of the two.
So the way I got here I shared.
(19:31):
When I was in business school Idiscovered organizational
behavior.
I was on the, I was going to gowork for one of the big firms
and one of the other things thathappened to me that totally
relates to career is I was nowin my late twenties.
I had a lot of girlfriends whohad followed that path that my
mom had told me right, become adoctor or a lawyer.
I had a lot of girlfriends whowere doctors and lawyers, right,
(19:53):
and we were all around the sameage late twenties, early
thirties and you know, we werekind of told that this was a
career of, of empowerment, andthat perhaps what that meant was
we got to call our own shots.
And what I saw happening is mygirlfriends who were doctors and
lawyers once they got marriedand then when they started to
(20:14):
have their own children, oncethey got married and then when
they started to have their ownchildren, they had no freedom
Right.
They were left with choosingbetween do I put my child in 60
hours a week of daycare Right,or do I get off my career track?
Yeah, and having just worked inearly childhood development and
knowing how important and I amnot sharing this with any
(20:35):
judgment for women who need touse daycare, maybe when I was
younger I would have been alittle more, whatever judging on
my soapbox, but everyone'sjourney is their journey and we
do what we need to do.
Yes, and there's no way we candeny it's not optimal.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No, because it's impossible.
It's impossible.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If you're thinking you're going to have perfection
and do all of those things atthe peak of your ability to
perform in those different roles, it's just setting yourself up
for failure, because it's notpossible our nation, like so
(21:19):
many issues, like I now connectthe dots I haven't done this
formally yet, so this is myfirst time I'm saying it on a
media platform is there is aconnection between our early
childhood experience and the waywe show up in the workplace?
Sure, of course, right.
And what it means to be a airquotes a leader and I say air
quotes because to me a leader isabout the way you behave, not
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necessarily a position or titleor role.
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Right.
That's why leading through theheart it's right on your website
leading through the heart is soimportant.
It's like if you're leadingwith your heart, you end up with
much more productive teamsbecause they feel that you have
empathy and they feel there's aconnection of vulnerability and
then encourages the people onthe team to have that as well.
And if you treat people likethey're humans, not just a
number on an org chart, it makesa big difference in people's
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performance and theirsatisfaction with their careers
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All around, check, check, check everything you just
said.
Right, and people hear theheart and they think the heart
is soft and I'm jumping around alittle bit, but anyhow, when I
back to being in my latetwenties, early thirties
girlfriends, witnessing them asdoctors and lawyers like really
having to make this difficultdecision of choosing between,
basically, mom or career, yeah,and it was heartbreaking and so
(22:34):
and I was also still finishingup my MBA at the time so I did
an MBA with this big heavy focuson organizational behavior and
I kept going to the professorsand like, can you show me the
case studies with the companiesthat have won like who are the
like five, like the big winnersof work-life balance that
support work-life balance?
Now, again, this was the latenineties, early two thousands.
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And you know they would show mecases of of companies where the
five star award winners hadon-site daycare.
You know, like that, and I waslike, ooh, that's as good as it
gets, man.
Helpful However those companiesfor on-sitecare that makes
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people's lives so much easier.
But I was like I don't know ifI can do this, and so in that
moment is when I decided Ineeded to become an entrepreneur
.
So it really kind of happenedby default more so than by it
ended up becoming by design, butthe choice at the time felt
like a default.
It wasn't like I woke up and Iwas like I'm going to be an
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entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know it was like.
This is what.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I want.
I knew I really wanted to be agreat mom based on my own
challenging childhood.
I wanted to break patterns.
I wanted to break generationalpatterns, yes, and I was like,
if I'm going to have a child, Iwant to give it my best.
And I also knew, from growingup in the 80s and living through
as a kid to divorces, I neededto be able to support myself, no
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matter what.
That was the one thing my momalways told me and she kind of
told me and I witnessed whathappened because she didn't do
what she was telling me to doand she just said you have to be
economically independent.
Yes, and I think that is themost important message for women
today.
The best that you're able you,I mean, it's been the most
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empowering thing for me is myown economic independence Of
course, it's incrediblyempowering.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And then it helps because there's fear along the
way, with so many differentchoices in life and and let's be
honest, be honest everyone hasfear.
Entrepreneurs have even alarger amount of fear than most,
and so it's not that we don'thave it, it's how do you deal
with that fear, and recognizingthat you have economic
independence, or recognizingthat you have an understanding
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of how to financially supportyourself and an understanding of
how to financially run abusiness, is an incredible skill
that takes some of that fearaway.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, there's so many layers to being an entrepreneur
.
Oh, I continue the longer I'min it.
I mean I've I've technicallybeen an entrepreneur since 2005,
.
But the first seven years I wasworking with another woman who
was 15 years my senior, and thatwas another divine intervention
, speaking of how I got toinnovate, right To innovate.
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So I realized I had to becomean entrepreneur.
And even at that point I knowthe inflection point, right I
still was like what am I goingto do?
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I know that's what I need to do, but what exactly?
Right, what am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I just knew I needed the freedom and the flexibility
to call my own shots, to be themom I wanted to be and to be the
woman I wanted to be.
Sure Now flashpoint sidebar I'malso really into astrology and
just just more recently, lastyear, I had my Vedic chart done
and the man who did my chart hetold me about what.
He was like oh, you could havenever worked for anyone else.
(25:55):
And I was like oh, I guess itwas kind of in the stars.
It was there you go.
You know and even the few jobsthat I had.
I was left completely on my own.
He was like that was the onlyway you could be successful,
because you're just sodetermined, and that was really
an empowering moment for mepersonally, but also on a big
picture, thinking aboutentrepreneurship, I was like you
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know, not everybody is cut outfor it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No, no, not at all.
Not at all.
This isn't for everybody andthere's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right and there's nothing wrong with like I mean,
and I think that's you know.
I know this is a sidebar to thequestion, but it's such an
important point about right now.
We are going through massivechange on Earth right now.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
no-transcript, janine what does that mean to you?
You're pointing to the tip ofyour finger for those who can't
see this right.
Your finger's out and you'repointing to the tip of your
finger, and that is where ourfingerprints are.
Ah, fascinating.
Okay, that is where ourfingerprints are when we hear
the word fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What does that bring up for you?
What does that?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
evoke.
That's your own identity,that's your uniqueness to you
Completely unique.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And you know what?
If you even ask a fifth graderthat they would answer it the
way you did?
Right, we're unique.
You're all different.
Yes, we all know this, but veryfew of us and I, I'm myself
included really comprehend thedepth of what that means.
Sure, we are completely unique,completely down to our DNA.
(27:47):
Even identical twins, there areenergetic differences.
Yes, of course, and that isthis journey at this point in
time is to really wake up tothat uniqueness of who we are
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Like you're talking about the uniqueness of who, you
are, waking up to it andembracing it as a positive.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And cultivating, going back even to the workplace
, cultivating an environmentwhere discovering that
uniqueness is nurtured.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, where discovering?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
that uniqueness is nurtured and honored from some
type of organizational design,which is part of what I touch on
.
So, yeah.
So back to I'm like, okay, I'mgoing to be an entrepreneur Now
what I still don't know Right,I'm kind of remembering I took
those career assessments thattold me, you know, be a
consultant.
But I I mean, I just wentthrough grad school and so I got
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a job for a hot minute, butthat didn't work out, of course
not, but it was really cool.
I got this really cool job downin Charleston, south Carolina,
working for a green real estatedeveloper who was integrating
environmental preservation andsocial.
Yeah, so that was a cool littlesidebar in that phase of like,
what am I going to do?
Right, I'm standing inStarbucks.
(28:57):
One day this is how theuniverse is speaking to us when
we're paying attention I'mstanding in line at a Starbucks
and I look over and on a coffeetable.
There there was a magazine andon the cover it said the three
secrets to success, the threetop success secrets for
entrepreneurs, and I was like,oh, you know?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
message from the universe.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
So I flipped through it.
I opened to the article and I'mlike I don't want to read the
article.
I'm like where's the text boxthat has the top three secrets,
right, just where's the cheatsheet.
And well, what would you guesswas the?
According to this article,right, it was a local business
publication in Cleveland.
What would you guess?
The number one success factorthey listed was for
entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I would say commitment drive,
resourcefulness flexible.
Those were probably in the top10 because You're like, yeah,
those weren't the top threethough, so share the top three.
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Here's the thing I'll just own up.
I don't even remember two andthree.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I just remember the top one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's great.
Which is what?
What they say is the top onework for someone else first oh
interesting.
Okay, ramp you up the learningcurve.
So again, I call it bread crumbfrom the universe.
I'm like I don't know what I'mdoing yet, but I know I'm
supposed to work with someoneelse first to help me.
Right Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
We have that learning curve, same same, yes, yes.
So I ended up working with awoman at Charleston, moved there
, didn't last.
It was like two years stint,great opportunity, love, the
beautiful ocean.
Charleston's a great town inmany, many ways was was not a
vibrational match, for for me,I'll just say in terms of my
mindset and everything.
Anyhow, I worked for anotherwoman who was what was doing,
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what I was interested inorganizational behavior.
She was an entrepreneur.
I worked with her for sevenyears, almost to the day, and
then after that I launched on myown, having really had the
blessing of working with her.
She had had a company before anarchitecture firm, a corporate
interiors architecture firm, andshe knew how to be a rainmaker,
she knew how to bring insix-figure contracts and so
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really just being around her andthat, I think, really helped me
learn more about, becauseyou've got to know how to sell
right, of course.
Absolutely, it's a requirementand I learned that.
I learned how to writeproposals.
I learned kind of the artistryof what I still do now.
And then I launched on my ownin the very end of 2011.
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I'm a numerology junkie.
I wanted to launch my businesson November 11th, 2011.
11, 11, 11.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Love.
I'm a huge angel number person11,.
11 is my number, yep.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh, that's awesome.
And here's another little likestory about.
You don't have to have it allfigured out.
I was like praying andmeditating what's the name of my
business?
What's the name of my business?
No answer, but I was likedetermined I'm going to file
this business on 11-11-11.
So I just came up with aplaceholder name.
Yeah, it was Blank Canvas byDesign.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
And then a few months later I kept kind of, you know,
asking the universe like what'sthe name of my business?
I was working out and it justdropped in.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Isn't it amazing yeah .
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And I really have to say like again, following the
mystery, I loved the name, but Istill wasn't 100% clear on what
it meant.
Right, it took me time to kindof just dive in and start
swimming around with.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
What does it mean to innovate and, of course, from a
place of integrity, to live itmyself and to create a business
platform that you can clearlyarticulate to someone who's
going to be buying it as well.
There is that whole part ofthis equation, especially when
you're trying to sell servicesconsulting services to
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organizations that aren't as wooand aren't as spiritual, and
the narrative that you haveabout what you're doing is
really important, because youhave to resonate with them and
they're functioning at a verydifferent vibration corporately
than you're going to befunctioning at.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Absolutely.
You named it, sister, and Iwill tell you it was a struggle.
First time Now I had anadvantage that I so I was in
Cleveland, ohio, living there,northeast Ohio.
I cut my teeth as anentrepreneur there, very, very
grateful.
I consulted with all kinds ofsectors.
I did a lot of nonprofit work.
There's a ton of nonprofits inNortheast Ohio that are funded
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by a huge foundation fundingcommunity and there's also what
organizational behavior it'salso called organizational
development is a known thing inthat business ecosystem and that
business geography.
There are two PhD programs init, like people know it.
I was responding to requests forproposals and competing against
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other people who did the samething that I did so, and I
didn't bring the woo until muchlater.
I was still using concepts thatI had learned and even though
there was kind of a woo behind,just because I knew it was a lot
about energy and relationships,then I didn't bring the woo
until the past seven years.
Interestingly, however, in thepast three years I've moved to
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Southern California, nice, yeah,I live in Orange County now in
Laguna Beach, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
The sun, yes, the energy, the sun being outdoors,
it's good for the soul.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, after living around the Great Lakes which
love all that fresh water, theenergy, the sun, being outdoors
it's good for the soul.
Yeah, after living around theGreat Lakes, which love all that
fresh water, I love my trees,they're my people I'm like I
just can't do eight months of nosunshine anymore.
Yeah, I'm with you, I totallyhear you, and I finally realized
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that my own well-being speakingof wellness was paramount and I
have always had a strong senseof purpose and calling that if I
really was going to serve theworld, I had to put myself first
, and that was not easy and Istill am waking up to that it's
work, making yourself a priorityand a commitment first in your
life and recognizing that's notselfish, but that's what's going
to put you in the greatestposition to serve and to serve
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others and to be able to be thebest you can be for others.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
It definitely takes time to learn how to how to do
that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, and we say it, and I've said it for 10 or 15
years and living it.
Oh my God, it's totallydifferent.
I mean it mean it unfolded mymarriage of 20 years.
It ended because I had put myown needs first and stand there
and being concerned about beingthought of as selfish and
(35:25):
self-centered.
It's hard, but you have to walkthrough that fire?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You do and I bet you have found.
Are you now attracting morelike-minded people into your
life now that you've done that,who can be there to support you
at this new level that you're at?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Absolutely my new.
I have mom friends out here inLaguna Beach who have walked
through very similar journeys.
You know different but divorcedsingle.
You know single moms and we'reyou know many of them
entrepreneurs, because OrangeCounty is very entrepreneurial.
It's a very different careerand business environment where I
(36:02):
was in Northeast Ohio and again, they're just different, right,
yes, right, northeast Ohio wasvery much about you get a job.
You go to college, you get ajob, you have a career.
You kind of I'm saying thiswith respect and dignity you
kind of keep your head down andjust do your job.
Yeah, sure, and you'd begrateful for a great salary.
You go to Florida for a week inspring break.
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You take a family vacation insummertime.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And rinse and repeat, and you do that again next year
.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Dreaming.
That's irresponsible, right?
Yep, yeah, so I always kind ofresonated with the west coast
mindset.
That is a more you know.
I mean, our business economycomes from the west coast, right
from Seattle to San Diego andeverything in between.
There's a lot of innovationthat comes from this part of the
country and that comes from amindset.
(36:51):
So even here in Orange Countythere's a lot of
entrepreneurialism.
Everything here is much younger, right?
I was used to having clients.
My top client back in NortheastOhio was a 73-year-old family
third-generation family business.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know.
So here it's very different.
You know there's tons of moneyflowing through here, lots of
entrepreneurial spirit, lots ofpeople who have started
companies, sold companies.
You know they're living on the$10 million that they sold their
company for Right and they'rethinking about maybe doing
another one.
You know it's so different.
So different here, same country,such a different culture, and
(37:30):
not many people have heard ofwhat I do.
Now, all of a sudden, I'm like,okay, I need to.
It's a whole new opportunity asan entrepreneur to share my
business case and to describewhat I do.
So it is starting over.
You know, we're just never doneright.
Right, you're evolving, we'reevolving, you're evolving.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
We're evolving.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're evolving.
So now I mean I'm now single,I'm kind of I'm still doing
Yinovate, but the beautifulthing is it's really inviting me
to become even more crystalclear on what I offer in my
value proposition yes andbecoming more distilled with how
I describe what I do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, so who's your ideal client?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Well, my ideal client-.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Today, in this case, today are Because it evolves.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, thank you.
My ideal client are women inthe C-suite level in
male-dominated industries.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
That's not hard to find those.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And in particular I would have never guessed this,
but it kind of right now, herein Orange County, I'm focusing
on the construction industry.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh yeah, oh, very male dominated yes.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, so I have just had drawn to me women who are at
the very top or close to youknow, one step away from the top
.
They're the only.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yep Sure.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And the thing that's so fascinating and the amazing
opportunity is one on some level, people know that that woman is
the glue that holds the companytogether.
That's kind of a pattern, sure,right, and I've actually I'm
working on a keynote for a womanin construction initiative here
in orange county and what wewere talking about just this
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week is that the way women leadis different.
Right, I'm speaking in largestereotypes.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I know there are exceptions to this on both sides
99% of the time.
It's very true, yes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
We're more collaborative, we're more
adaptive, we're inflexible, weare juggling the kids home work,
right.
Again.
There are exceptions to this,but especially if you've made it
to that top level, if you're ina director level or above,
you're a badass.
You're basically a freakingsuperhero Like where's your cape
, where's your costume?
Right, yep, right.
(39:44):
And so we're talking aboutthese attributes.
Right, these capacities are notonly holding the company
together, but they're really thedirection that the business
world is going to need to movein or is moving in Correct, it's
just, it's the capacities thatnot just women are bringing, but
that companies need to bringmore of, and you know every,
(40:08):
every business and industry isgoing to be at their own pace of
of recognizing that, right,yeah, so how just to get
specific for a minute, and thenwe're going to be at their own
pace of recognizing that Rightyeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So how just to get specific for a minute and then
we're going to switch gears.
How specifically are youhelping your clients?
So what way are youspecifically helping them?
Just so we could give somepeople some context behind the
actual work you do.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Absolutely, thank you .
So what I'm now referring to inthis book I don't know if this
is the time to mention it Ispecifically my artistry, if you
will, as a consultant, is I amI refer to myself as a mastery
level facilitator and soessentially what I've honed over
the years, I come in and I'mall about, I'm coming to work
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with a C-suite, so the CEO, cfo,whoever and you know, not
everybody uses those terms butbasically the people at the top
who are running the show yes,correct, right, yep, and I,
through a series of both, askingthem questions, I take them
through what I call a wholesystems up level Okay, the whole
of the company.
And basically my processintegrates or combines strategic
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planning, culture strengthening, team building and leadership
development into one process.
Great that I lead peoplethrough.
So it's very efficient.
And I facilitate with a seriesof questions and frameworks of
how you think about the companyto have them answer the
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questions and the act of themanswering these questions.
One, it helps them become clear, so it generates clarity.
And because I'm facilitatingwhich one of the biggest values
of having a professionalfacilitator is, first of all, it
allows the person at the top toactually participate and not
facilitate.
Yes, there's kind of I'mbuilding awareness of to help
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people understand the value ofactually having a facilitator.
Yeah sure, right, becausefacilitation is an art.
I mean I did post-graduatetraining in the skill of group
process facilitation.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, right, yes, it's a skill for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's important more than ever.
One, you need to have a neutraloutsider holding space for the
conversations.
Two, if you're paying thosepeople at the top the salaries
that you are, they're bringingthe talent that they have.
When you're having importantdecision level conversations,
you want them to fullyparticipate and bring their best
to the conversation.
Right, of course.
(42:35):
Right, and as the owner if Imean if it's, you know, a
privately held or even if it'san employee owned right, an ESOP
you, you want everyone to fullybe able to engage.
And as the person, if you are,you know, as the CEO you want to
be a participant.
And it's impossible to be afacilitator and a participant in
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decision level conversations.
It's two completely differentskill sets.
It's beyond like trying to patyour tummy in your head at the
same time.
It's another whole level.
So I come in as a facilitatorto make their lives easier,
because I design theconversations kind of assessing
conversations with the people atthe top to like understand,
like what are the issues,where's their clarity, where's
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their vagueness?
Yep, where almost alwaysthere's siloing, right, that is
a major thing, you know andyou've got.
Think about it.
You've got these very driventype A people who end up at that
level.
They're not as accustomed toplaying ball together.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Right At the top.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, and they've got their whole area that they're
trying to just protect air quoteor make sure it's high
performing.
Yes, so that's really what I dois I have this whole system up
leveling and I address threelevels then of the company of
course, the whole of theorganization by working with and
through the people at the top.
I also have a program thatbrings in the science of the
heart, bringing that taglineback, leading through the heart
(44:03):
on kind of training and buildingteam.
That comes from the HeartMathInstitute, which I am trained.
I have multiple certificationsthrough them.
And then so that'sorganizational level, which I
just mentioned, and then groupor team level, because
everything happens via teamstoday.
And then I have a, a, a Yinovate.
It uses the hero's journeywhere I work with individuals,
and I do that either one-on-onetypically CEOs like to be
(44:25):
working, they like one-on-one,but I can also do it in small
groups sometime and it's calledYinovate, your hero like it.
And it takes the coachingprogram I lead people through
has a curriculum that takes themon the journey home.
I call it home to your heart.
Yeah, home to who you reallyare the hero of your own life.
It goes back to thatfingerprint, bringing out what
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it is that you are uniquely hereto live and give the world,
because we all are here for areason.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yes, yes, and I love that you're bringing that to
organizations and bringing atouch of that into corporate,
quite honestly, because it needsthat.
Corporate needs that, thathuman component.
So that is really interesting.
Thank you for sharing.
I love that.
Okay, so can we switch gearsbefore we run out of time,
because I think it's reallyimportant to share this.
I love for people to understandwhat wellness means to us
personally in our day-to-daylives, because I think it's
(45:19):
important.
People see some of us as publicfigures and they're like, oh,
my goodness, like how does shehave it all together and how is
she so connected to that?
When the universe speaks, sheknows, and she knows what to do
and all of those things.
So if you wouldn't mind sharingwith people you know, what does
wellness look like in your life?
What are you practicing to beable to be your best and your
(45:40):
optimal self?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
in your life.
It's a great question and Ilove that.
That's what your show is about.
It's such a service to theworld.
For me, it all comes back tosomething we talked about
earlier.
It all comes back to somethingwe talked about earlier, and
that is having a relationshipwith yourself, and the way in
which we talked about thatearlier was your intuition,
right?
Yep, now that's a generic term,your intuition.
(46:04):
But what that, to me, what thatreally is about, is a
relationship with yourself.
Yeah, and specifically what Iteach with the Hero's Journey is
the awareness that we actuallyhave two a minimum of two, but
on a high big picture level twoparts of ourself.
We have our higher self and wehave our human self, and
(46:25):
wellness really starts withcultivating that relationship
with your higher self, whichcomes through the voice of your
intuition.
And there's a lot underneaththat.
But I mentioned that first andforemost because, to me,
wellness is about you have toknow yourself and what really
takes care of you.
We could get lost in the amountof podcasts and YouTubes.
(46:47):
I mean.
There's so much information outthere of like, do this practice
or that practice, or the 5 amwake up, and all of that.
I mean one of my spiritualmentors said to me people used
to always ask her what's yourmorning routine?
And she said I could tell youit, but it's not going to help
you because you need to knowyour morning routine.
Right now we can experimentwith things that resonate with
(47:08):
us to find, like, if we don'tjust know it automatically,
right, we can go through trialand error.
But to really honor and themore we know about ourselves,
said another way self-awareness,which is a journey.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Sure, of course yes, and recognize it's not a
destination, it's a journey,it's a process, it's going to
ebb and flow and evolve Right.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
And then just that framework of like starting with
our health, like what takes careof me physically.
We know generically like food,diet, hydration drink water
movement.
But like, what does that mean tome?
Do you like to run, do you liketo walk?
What environment takes care ofyou?
That's something that humandesign has been really awesome
and I want to give a shout outto my human design teacher,
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jamie Palmer.
She's amazing.
Jamiepalmercom, I think, is herwebsite.
But to really know what takescare of you, what lights you up?
For me, I finally was like Ilove being by the ocean.
It nurtures me and it took meyears of guilt to move through,
guilt of like who am I to thinkI could live by the ocean.
(48:11):
Right, who do I think I am?
But it feeds my soul to seeblue sky and blue ocean and to
hear the sound of those waves.
Like that takes care of me.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, and yeah, it was a big, bold move and I
know that's not somethingeveryone does, but when I was in
Ohio, it was walking in thetrees and in the forest you know
Cleveland has a lot of treesand making time in my calendar
for that, or as simple as liketaking a hot bath and so on, a
very granular I know I'mspeaking big picture, but I
(48:44):
think it's really like puttingit in our calendar right, our
calendars are our most powerfultools for transformation.
If you, as you're listening,know one to two things that you
know take care of you workingout, taking a hot salt bath,
walking in the woods, sittingand just staring out the window,
because we know, generically,that nature takes care of us.
(49:05):
We know that for surescientifically, that nature is
regenerative.
Being in nature, yes, it is,and doing things that are
creative very generically.
So what is it that?
What kind of nature nurturesyou and what type of creative
thingy takes care of you?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
on some level, right, and that doesn't have to be
that you're the next you knowPicasso either.
No, it could be so many otherthings I have this right here.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
I keep these little like from Target, these little
art books that like, see, theseare my little.
I mean, it's like almost stickpeople that I draw or like
plants.
That's my one of my other ohgardening.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Gardening is something that's incredibly
creative that people don'treally think about, but if you
love to garden, playing withbeing with the dirt and
connecting with nature throughgardening is an incredibly
creative way.
Cooking incredibly creativeMusic, playing an instrument,
dancing things that people caneasily do without needing stuff.
Totally easily get up and danceand how does that make you feel
(50:01):
?
By moving your body and dancingand listening to music, and
that is a form of creativity.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It's your practical things, of your practical life,
right, like that is one of the.
I remember I had my firstspiritual teacher said you know,
your, your, your daily life isyour spiritual practice.
I was like what I was thinkingyou know you needed to go to an
ashram or sit in some specialsacred place and it's like, no,
like the way I cook my dinner,the way I plan my food, you know
(50:26):
I can dance while I'm cooking.
You know, put some music on allof that of keep.
Because, as moms and as peoplewith careers, on all of that of
keep, because as moms and aspeople with careers, we got to
keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, exactly, and right, it's the little things
that you dip into the day.
You know that you can drop intoyour day.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
That can help you with that and help you connect
to you and the last thing I willsay on that note and this is
the simplest, and I will sayit's been the most challenging
and I've been mentioning thisfor 15 years and I'm still
living into it myself, kind of,admittedly, becoming a
recovering kind of workaholic.
I mean, I just work, work, work, work, you know, is throughout
(51:03):
the day.
To take a three to five minutepause, yeah, and I actually am a
big fan of pausing.
I, I a.
I don't know if it's okay forme to promote something, but I
have this app on my phone.
Yeah, it's great If you can seeit here.
It's called the Triple Flameapp.
I follow this body of awarenesscalled the Gene Keys.
This is the Gene Keys.
(51:23):
It's the Triple Flame and allit does is you can set it for,
like it goes off every threehours and I can set it if it
wants a three minute pause, afive minute pause or 10 minute
pause, and then it has eithersilent or guided, and the whole
point of that app is justpausing.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I love it.
That's so great.
I love it.
Thank you for sharing that.
You can absolutely promote thatand share that.
That's fantastic, thank you.
Is that sometimes what peopleneed?
They just need to know where doI go, what do I do, all those
kinds of things.
Okay, so before we run out oftime, I love to ask all my
guests to recommend a book thathas impacted them personally or
professionally.
We already talked about one inthe very beginning, but I know
(52:00):
you have more, because I justfeel that books change lives,
and your story is a completeexample and testament to the
fact that a book can change alife.
So what other book other thanbeing Peace, which I love, would
you like to recommend to ouraudience.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yes Well, my favorite business book that I use to
legitimize what I do as aconsultant I wish I had it right
here to hold up is by PatUnchione.
It's a business book and thetitle is the Advantage.
Oh okay, I like it.
The subtitle is why Organiztrumps everything else in
(52:37):
business.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Oh, so true.
Yeah, yeah, so true.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And he's brilliant.
He's, he's my, he's like, doeswhat I do.
But, like you know, he's up inthe Bay area.
He went to Stanford, he code,he consults all the bigs but
he's written a dozen books.
Most people know.
Sidebar, most people know.
The book that he's written thatmost people know is called the
Five Dysfunctions of Teen.
If you're in the world, Itotally know that book.
yes, so this is.
(53:02):
He's written lots of them.
This is another one, but thatbook frames the case for what I
do.
But he says that basically fororganizations he differentiates
between a company or anorganization being smart versus
healthy.
Yeah, On your topic of wellness, right and health, Sure and
smart is like all the thingsthat you learn in business
school, like finance, marketing,IT, you know sales and he's
(53:26):
like those are great, but thenhealthy is low politics low
turnover, high engagement lowpolitics, low turnover, high
engagement and, he says, is thata healthy company will
eventually get smarter andsmarter because people are
talking to each other, they likebeing together, they're having
difficult conversations andworking through conflict.
(53:49):
But a smart business isn'talways healthy.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Correct.
Very true, whoa, okay, what abeautiful way to end.
I thank you so much, adele, forcoming on.
I will link in the show noteseverything about how people can
find you, how they can followyou, how they can reach out to
you for more information.
You are super inspiring withyour story, so thank you for
being vulnerable, sharing yourjourney.
I love your approach and whatyou're bringing to organizations
(54:13):
and helping women, especiallywomen at the top, because they
really need it.
So thank you so much for beinga guest and I'm excited to stay
connected with you.
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
I hope you have a beautiful day you too.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Thank you so much.
It has been truly an honor tobe your guest and thank you for
the amazing work you're doing inthe world.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
All right soon.
Bye, thanks, bye for now Bye.
Thank you for joining us foranother episode of the House of
Jermar podcast, where wellnessstarts within.
We appreciate you being a partof our community and hope you
felt inspired and motivated byour guest.
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