Nvidia And Its A.I Graphics Cards | House Of Wolves Podcast

Episode 152. In this episode we discuss all the CES announcements. NVIDIA and A.I, Lenovo Legion Go S, Switch Leaks and much more.

Intro: 00:00

Nvidia Blackwell Graphic Cards: 17:32

Lenovo Announcements: 46:55

Asus Announcements: 01:03:29

Switch 2 Leaks: 01:13:00

Episode Transcript

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Let them come. This is their fate.

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All right, let me get my bird man's in there.
All right. All right.
Welcome back to the House of Wolves podcast.
I'm your host, Deontay, here with my near and dear friends, Jaylen and Josh.
Today we got a lot to talk about because CES is going crazy in the video.

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It seems like they got an alien in a camp.
I don't know what they're doing, but they keep making better stuff.
So we're going to talk about a lot of that.
Lenovo and a Suzy's
keynotes as well.
So just a lot of CES.
So if you're interested in that, stick around.
We got a lot to talk about.

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But before we get started, per usual, Jaylen, Josh,
tell the people how you been, what you've been up to.
How's life going?
What you've been playing and everything else in between.
Talk to the people.
Yeah, what's up? Happy New Year, everybody.

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Happy New Year to y'all.
Been doing pretty good here with the family.
I've been just busy working on projects, trying to get ready for,
you know, maybe some new opportunities.
And that's took up a good chunk of my like my own time.

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And then with the family.
So for New Year's in Japan, like the New Year celebration is like a week long.
Whereas it's not like a whole bunch of parties.
But like with your family, there's like you're going to maybe visit a family grave.
You're going to have like a family dinner with like special meals

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that are spread out over a couple of days.
So we did that.
So we spent a lot of time with the family, a lot of cleaning, a lot of meeting
cousins and in-laws and stuff like that.
But overall, it's pretty good time for us.
And it's actually not too cold in Japan right now,

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which is normally is super cold here during this time.
And then we also had some friends who were visiting Japan
with their family from the US and they.
Came to stop by, so we hung out for them for like this past weekend.

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Didn't really go anywhere, just show them around the city and.
You know, eat a lot, show them a lot of Japanese food.
So that was that was fun.
And yeah, I went back to work this week.
So yeah, back to my normal schedule as far as like entertainment.

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I play a little bit of the game I was telling you about last time.
Wayfinder. Yep.
So playing that because when the game came, when I bought the game,
I was playing on the normal difficulty, but they ended up in update
during December, which was nightmare mode.
So I actually started over on nightmare mode because I was only like

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10 hours in. So I started over basically, you know, just like
something is better drops, harder enemies.
But it was actually pretty fun and not that difficult.
And plus, it gives you new better rewards.
So play a little bit and I got the chance.
But the project I've been working on actually takes up a bunch of RAM.

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So I haven't been able to play like while I'm doing work.
So I've been using.
G Force now just to like, you know, log into my account,
play the game for a little bit without having to interfere
with like what's going on with my home PC.

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But yeah, for me, that's about it.
But very busy New Year.
But like nothing too spectacular, I guess.
OK, well, yeah, it's a one of those things where it's it's fun to
it's good to kind of take this time.

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I feel like the New Year is always that time to reset anyway,
where you're trying to like kind of get a bunch of stuff done
and you don't really have like right now, you're just a little bit more
motivated than normal.
So actually, it's good that you kind of like prioritizing the stuff
that you want to kind of start your year off right for versus like the other stuff.

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So yeah, definitely in that same mode.
What about you?
Jalen, I don't know why I blanked on your name for like 20 seconds.
But what about you, Jalen?
What you been up to?
I forgot your name.
He's probably a bad friend. My bad.
My bad, Jase.

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Shoot, I haven't been doing too, too much lately.
I really just I'm trying to work out.
I had started the year and y'all could feel free to join me on this, too.
But I was just like, you know what?
I need to be in a gym three to four times a week.
I know we already got our gym goals and it's down there.
But, you know, I was trying to put something on my mind.
But, you know, I was trying to put something a little bit more tangible.

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So I got like I'm going to be more consistent last year or the year before.
But this time I was like, I gave myself a number of times I need to be in a gym.
So with that being said, I said 365 divided by two, that's 182.5.
We go ahead and round up because I mean, we pushing ourselves, right?
Push it to the limit.

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So 183 days is like the golden number.
So I need to go to the gym 183 days before the year is over.
So that's my average about 15 times a month.
So a month got about, you know, like five-ish weeks or whatever, you know, like the 31 days and stuff like that.
So, I mean, I could kind of equate to like 15 to 16 times a month.
So that's about half the time, 50 percent.

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So that's my goal that I'm shooting for.
I'm going to go work out tomorrow morning.
If I don't go today, for sure, I'm trying to make sure I work out Monday, Wednesday, Friday and the morning time.
So, you know, that's going to help out maybe like a Saturday every other Saturday or something like that.
So basically what I'm getting at, I'm going to get that goal.
Stay consistent and then be black excellence.

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So anybody want to join me?
I don't talk at once now.
That is definitely a goal of mine, but I'm stretching myself thin because I have I have mandated three days.
Three other things that require so much attention that I can't really add to it.

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I only can try to force myself to make better decisions to create time for it as I go through this process of mandate.
What I've already mandated out for me.
So no, but I am trying to incorporate some stuff to do exercise, exercise, exercise.

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Yes, I need something that will allow me to continue.
Like I need to focus and I need that.
I need a cadence that really helps before I can really start to add stuff to my plate.
And I haven't figured it out.
It really is a whole work life home and like second work trying to balance everything.

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So it's kind of tough to commit to something right now when I don't have this completely figured out,
but I'm demanding more of myself right now.
So it's kind of like I would because that is one of the goals too.
And I feel like if you if I am this is going to be the biggest time where I'm super motivated and I had a reset.

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So I should connect, you know, or commit to that too.
But I want these things to first to work first.
So it's going to still be one of those back burner things for now.
But I would definitely work towards at least getting on that bandwagon here over the next month

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and a half after I figure out the cadence that I want to follow for all my other stuff.
So I get you get you one of them portable treadmill.
There you go. Right there.
We have the one where I can just keep stepping on like the little step master or whatever.
I do have that. I'm not saying I'm not.
I get the treadmill, the walking treadmill.

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Yeah. You just put one on the ground and then you start walking on it.
Yeah. I got to stand in desk to do it too.
I'm just saying I have one upstairs.
That's a stand. That's the walk in treadmill that I can bring down here and use that.
But at the same time, again, it's more of creating,

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not trying to take time from other things that I need to focus on to create more time for it.
It is to literally be more diligent and more disciplined in the stuff that I'm doing to cut out
pretty much the fat to the point where I am creating time for these activities that I need to focus on as well.

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So I don't want to mix things.
I want to focus on what I need to focus on here.
And then as I do that, it becomes easier for me to kind of put more on my plate.
So it's kind of crazy, but it is one of those things where the more demand I put on myself,
the more I become efficient that allows me to do more stuff.

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So, yeah, that's what I'm working on right now.
And I really don't want to say, yeah, I'm going to do that too, because if I break on one thing,
I feel like that's when I always mess up and break on everything else.
So I need to get this out back first.
So no, long way saying no until I'm ready.

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And I'm hoping to be ready so I can at least put I can put some effort into saying, ask me again mid-February.
And then and then we can go from there.
I want to put some time I want to put a time constraint on me getting my stuff together.
Yeah, no, that's fair.

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Yeah. So that's that's what I'm shooting for doing.
Obviously, there's limitations with that. I haven't figured out if I'm like, well, I went to go home today.
Does that count? I kind of don't want to count hoping because I want that to be something on the side.
Additionally, like you said, this is the new year trying to set other things in place.
So I got a couple other things I got like any hard commitments or like any full, full schedule.

(11:16):
I'm going to do this.
I got an idea to some capacity, but I don't got like a systematic breakdown on how I'm going to do it.
Like I do with as far as like working out.
So I'm always being on trying to make sure I'm staying fit.
I feel like my health as well. I'm getting older.
You know, it's my 30th decade and stuff like that. So I'm really concerned.

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So so really just trying to focus on that. And then, yeah, I mean, that's that's pretty much it.
I try to figure out ways to make some more cheese or to ever do something on the side.
So but other than that game wise, what I've been playing, I haven't really been playing too, too much.
I think last time I had said something, I had beat the little Shadow Generations thing and was comparing that.
So I like the Sonic Generations and seeing the gameplay changes.

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Additionally, I still just been playing metaphor.
I ain't going to look even wanted to play Sonic Heroes a little bit.
I've been coming across my feet. I don't know why the Sonic algorithm hit me, bro.
I'm like, man, Sonic Heroes Loki has some bangers on his game.
I'm looking like, man, let me go go down that road of nostalgia real quick.
I was like, I have more Sonic Heroes with the quickness, bro.
See some of them bad controls where you running up a thing and then you on top of the little loop thingy

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and then you just fall down because of the directional.
You know what I'm saying? Let me go see some of these bad, these piss port mechanics.
But other than that, no, that's really that's really been about it, though.
So I'm going to try to try to figure out if and when I'm going to go to Japan.
I had hit Josh up and hit me back. You just stay home, bro.
So, you know, I'm trying to take that into consideration.

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I've been showing this day. Oh, stay home.
But yeah, I mean, yeah, those the nostalgia is in the air a little bit.
I was I was looking at like playing Mad Max not too long ago again.
Or there's a few other games. You know, I love me some Avalanche Studios.

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They the ones that made just call.
Anyway, the I've been doing much. I've been like I said, I've been trying to work on a cadence for myself in regards to uploads, side stuff,
other side stuff, my real work job and family.
So it's been really, really just trying to create a space that will allow me to continue to grow.

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So the gaming wise, I've been my little brother was up here.
So I really get to play much.
I think me and Jaylen hopped on Marvel Rivals for like four games or something like that.
And then we got off.
But we was I was also playing Space Marine 2, which is really, really good.

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I like Space Marine. I think I find some a lot of that old Gears of War esque.
I miss it a little bit.
So this was, you know, filling that scratch a little bit because I have played a Gears of War since Gears five.
And then I made Jaylen play a little bit of what was the one we was playing?

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I forget what it was. It was the expansion for Gears five.
And I don't remember what it was called, but I kind of got him to play a little bit of it on his Xbox Series X when he first got it.
But yeah, I was wanting to play something like that.
Space Marines 2 is right up that alley. So if you enjoy games like that, it's really, really good.

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I did. I did buy Outlaws because it was cheap and I was like, OK, I get it.
So I did get it for the PS5. I don't know when I ever play that game, but I just wanted to, you know, purchase it to have it so that if I do end up getting around to being able to play Outlaws again,

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at least Ubisoft is the smarter of the companies when it comes to cross save that I can pick up my save and play it, finish it on the PS5 because I did do the whole subscription for a little bit.
But now that I have a physical copy, I can finish it up on the PS5 Pro.
And I'm pretty happy with the visuals there. So not no, no complaints, I suppose.

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But yeah, that's pretty much what I've been doing, putting out videos and trying to outdo myself from last year.
So that's pretty much what's been going on. But with all of that out the way, oh, kids are fine as usual.

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They're always fine there. They're having a blast tan up the house. They throw their little cars at my.
They've been throwing their cars at my little table that I got in my living room.
So now I got scuff marks and I got to go find some fixed paint so I can paint the chips they then made into this wood piece of table or whatever.

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So they're they're having a blast. They reckon at home. That's what you expect when you have boys.
If you don't expect them to break something, you probably shouldn't add them.
But yeah, that's what they've been up to. They're having fun.
They still in that phase of not being on potty training, but they talking like crazy.

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It's time to I think we got to start that journey, which is probably going to be a tough one for a little bit.
Two of them. I don't know.
I don't know. There might be some scary, scary dark days ahead, but it's time.
It's almost as I'm almost sure they're ready.
So that's one of those things that I'm gearing up to on that home life right now.

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Potty training. But yeah, let's move on.
I mean, the one thing that is very much so the big thing that we're going to be talking about is CES.
And I guess we might as well, as I stated, start with the biggest good old Nvidia.

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And I know it's a big debate on how to say that, but that's how I say the video.
There was quite a bit of stuff announced.
And I watched that whole presentation.
It was failure after failure after failure because of AI.
It was pretty funny to watch Jensen, the CEO, Nvidia couldn't get AI to work properly.

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And they are the AI kings at this point.
But every time he tried to do something with AI, every time that thing was supposed to hit a right note,
it was supposed to do something magical with screens.
It just seemed like that guy was up there lost the whole time.
But what he was actually providing us was actually interesting.

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Did I guess before I started anybody was anybody able to watch this?
I know CES has different time zone information.
The time zones is probably based around California.
So I'm assuming you were not able to catch any of this stuff.
Joshua, where are you?
I am watching live.

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OK. Yeah. Watching it live would have been a treat.
Trust me. It was it was pretty freaking funny.
But it wasn't it wasn't supposed to be funny, truly.
But everything was messing up.
So luckily, the media did not harp on that.
They really much was just work focusing on all of the new things coming out of it.

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I think the biggest thing that obviously came out of this is the RTX 5070 price.
Five hundred and forty nine dollars.
And it's supposed to be forty ninety performance.
Granted, with a huge amount of salt, unfortunately, because that is something that is all completed.

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And he kind of already said it.
None of it could be achievable unless AI outside of, you know, using AI.
So most of that performance is because of DLSS4 and the frame generation, which is now multi frame generation.

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Josh, do you use multi do you use frame generation right now in your game on your PC?
So I've I've tried it and I've actually like tried to mess around with the settings a lot to really try to get a good look on it.
Really, the only game that I have that would even benefit from is like cyberpunk because it's built for that.

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But it sucks that and Star Wars where it looks very good.
It's like, OK, the settings are perfect. I have above 60 FPS.
My I got the graphics up high. The frame gen is working.
And then I start walking down the street and then I'll see something that just looks weird.

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And it's just going to bother me because it just it's it's like interpolating things.
But when you have things that are like shiny lights and also reflective surface and you got people or cars going in front of it, it doesn't know what to do.
And so, like, especially in Star Wars, I got to the first city and say, OK, if the city looks good with the frame gen, but often the distance, they got like a chain link fence.

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And, you know, the fences are thin and it's far in the distance.
Yeah, it's like every time you move, it just becomes like super smeared across the screen.
It's not like, oh, it's a it's a little pixelated so I can just maybe ignore it.
It's it's like I turn my face away from the screen away from the fence.
And that fence is still like smeared across the screen for like half a second.

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And it does that all the time for anything that's like that. So anyways, I think Digital Founder did like a big breakdown of it where it frames in looks amazing when you're being still.
But when you're actually playing a complex game, I haven't found a use for it yet, even though performance wise, it does add a good benefit.

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But realistically for me, at least with my card, is like just either turn off.
Some of the settings like retracing, whatever, so that you don't need frame gen is probably going to give me better performance.
Now is DLS a different story? Is that actually a meaningful upgrade?

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Oh, DLSS I use all the time.
Yeah, it's just once you start stacking multiple of their things, it does run into issues. But like DLSS as its own, for me, it depends on the game for sure.
But it adds the biggest performance noticeable performance jump and it doesn't degrade the visuals as much as like FSR does for me.

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FSR for some games is OK, but it really depends on their implementation. And FSR a lot of times, like there are some like mods that maybe you can implement with like some PC games.
But generally it's for the developer to do a little tweak in so that it functions as it's supposed to with FSR.

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Where DLSS, sorry, DLSS, I can just turn it on and it gives me 40, 50 frames and I don't really notice a big difference.
OK, yeah, that's where I kind of wanted to start was with the 50, 70 and just kind of talking through what I find value in with that card and what I find value in with this lineup.

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I find the five hundred and forty nine price tag to be valuable to the 40, 90 or the 40 series cards that are kind of overpriced right now.
So these new cards make that will come into the market.
I'm not saying that the 40 series are bad cards at all.

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They're not. So if you got a 40 series, you're probably OK. It's more so if you're looking for these upticks and using this DLSS for in the multi frame generation, that's where you want to actually jump to these cards.
But there there is a significant upgrade from going from the 30 series to the 50 series.

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So what this does is it creates a fair market again for their cards and what people want to do to upgrade.
But it also gives me a sense of realistically what we're going down the path of, because this is their flagship cards and most of the computing isn't being done by the card itself and regular restoration.

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It is being done by a. So. I don't know.
I'm hesitant, but I'm super excited to see where it goes.
As you could tell, when he was presenting all this stuff, he was showing off little baby micro cars like they was able to put these things in laptops very easily, not without creating more thickness to them due to the fact that these aren't really that big of big of cards.

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It's really just the fans attached to this card and the amount of the capabilities that the car has with path tracing, full ray tracing and being able to do all these things.
It showcases that AI is pretty much the future of.

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Is the future of graphics and the future of graphical power and how you showcase games. So.
How do y'all feel about AI doing this? How y'all feel about it being the next step?
Are you still of the camp of, you know, rasterization is the is the goal is the key is the is the master or y'all kind of on board with the new way of the wave, because this is the new wave.

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This is literally.
It's crazy how powerful they are. That's what's what worries me. It's crazy how powerful these things are. It's crazy how or at least the projected or perceived power is and how they could get off, you know, previously $1600 card performance to five

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forty nine. That's a steep price drop and still be able to get that performance level based off of AI tools like this is this is the big wave for me in regards to how Microsoft and Sony will be able to still continue to compete with the PC market at cheap levels.

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So what are your thoughts on that? Do you think frame generation and all this stuff is going to get a little crazy is going to look like soup, which I think.
It's tough to say because I say you can't argue with results and with the 30 and 40 series, I think the results were really clear that their technology works and their approach to it does work and there are a lot of benefits to it.

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Plus the prices, at least for the 30 series were really cheap and reasonable compared to like a rising card.
But as far as the future, I think I don't know the exact video, but a couple months ago, Digital Foundry did like a pretty good breakdown of like DLSS versus FSR and stuff like that.

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And I think how they explained it is that when you're I'll just say the post processing for a lot of video games and how they're built, they're built in a certain way where when you're involved with FSR, if you put it in the right pipeline or you put it in the right order,

(28:20):
the FSR is going to add really good benefits, whereas like DLSS is able to kind of just take whatever information and interpolate it, you know, whatever generation they're using to output the image.
So anyways, they got two different approaches. The FSR approach allows for the game to, I guess, be built traditionally and the developer has to do the work for it to come out and look at.

(28:53):
Either way, whichever works is good. I think what I'm worried about is kind of the Nvidia blanket output of letting the, I don't know if it's AI or it's just traditional machine learning or whatever, but yeah, it's the buzzword.
So if the AI is going to just do a blanket approach to it, I worry that the output is not going to be, I don't know how to explain it in a, I guess, technical way, but there should be some issues or the faithfulness of what the output is, is not true.

(29:37):
I don't really know how to explain it without any examples, but like, yeah, if I'm thinking about like Cyberpunk and like with the reflections and things like that, like sometimes it can look really, really good when you run it through like the Nvidia software,
but sometimes it looks really, really bad and I can see that the computer is trying to guess at what should come out and I feel like that is what worries me that it has to try to guess when it should just be able to read the code.

(30:11):
But it can't, it has to read what's on the image.
So yes, that's, that's what I'm worried about where instead of reading the code, like line by line, like a traditional post processing process does.
It's looking at what is being output only through the graphics card.

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But as like what you see on the screen and it's trying to guess the next frame.
That's my best technical breakdown.
So it's cool. I like DLSS, I like Nvidia, I'm interested in their software.
But personally, yeah, I do think that going 100% all in on the AI might not be the best for video games at least I don't really care about what other industries are using it.

(31:08):
Yeah. To me, I kind of, you kind of hit a key point for me but the other key point for me at least is based performance.
Honestly, if I did not have any interest and, you know, using any of your tools, your AI upscaling tools. This has become a weight paperweight, essentially like am I getting worse performance than a previous generation device or graphics card, you know I'm saying like,

(31:41):
I was to just plainly turn off DLSS and turn off FrameGen and I just compared it simply enough to your 3080 series versus what this AI computing card could do at 549 in 2025.
Am I getting is that beating it.

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That's what worries me. It's like, everybody doesn't want to incorporate these, these tools into their games. Everybody doesn't want these to be the preferred way to play their games, some people want a tie.
They want to be able to say whether or not these things are using their game, they want to be able to use customized hardware, they don't want that, that your DLSS to be the default.

(32:34):
We have our own supersampling, we have our own objectives with what we wanted to do, and how we want our stuff to present. If you become.
At one point with like Star Wars like, because I use a video software so heavily whereas like you have to use it on that game, unless you like want poor performance, and it's not that necessarily your world with the new cars it will be the case

(32:57):
because they won't have the backup hardware capability to kind of like brute force it like it needs the DLSS.
And that's what worries me like Nvidia is literally
throwing caution to the wind and expecting everybody to jump on board with AI today.

(33:20):
And I'm worried that as they pursue that AI, and I'm saying that it's not like it won't work. I'm saying that people have, and I'm not saying that these AI cores and everything like I don't understand half the stuff Jensen was talking about.
All I knew is is that if I'm thinking of it from apples to apples you showed me no true.

(33:44):
You know rasterized performance numbers you can show me no true. You showed me a bunch of numbers that could be, you know, fudged, you show me a bunch of numbers that made me not mean anything.
So, when I think about it I'm thinking, yeah, that'd be great if I was all into the 70 only only 70 games that, you know, kind of support DLSS for today, but I'm not I'm into thousands of games I'm into a bunch of different games that potentially may not ever incorporate your

(34:21):
upscaling or want to incorporate your upscaling or even prefers it beyond because it just has some limitations that they're not in agreements with. So that's where it becomes well if you don't have it on there is my card no longer worthy, am I no longer able to play this game until you guys decide to incorporate that

(34:43):
you know the higher scale, the higher versions of like these graphics cards. Yeah, they want you to support them out the gate but at the same time they probably have the less the smallest market at the time.
It's kind of like trying to, you know, push for the new PlayStation or new console generation when you know your game will probably sell better on the PS4 or something because it's just more out there.

(35:09):
So it is one of those things where I feel like there is little to no caught there's little to no
like being cautious for them is kind of like just breakneck speed.
And I don't know if that's the right move. I'm not saying that AMD is in a better space. Right now they just seem like chump change everybody just laughs and I'm like, oh you ain't got no, you ain't got DLSS you ain't got the AI you ain't, you don't got the answers way since essentially

(35:41):
is because nobody's checking for them because they're not the ones at the at the at the forefront of innovation. They're, they're literally waiting on the back end. But if AMD is providing rasterized performance that is out matching the newer cards at 549

(36:02):
it just feels funny that he that they're charging so little. You know what I mean. It feels as if there is a limitation that we have not seen yet. And it's cool.
That they you know providing entry level into AI. But I think that they should label it the AI card and not a traditional graphics card because it's not anymore.

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It's AI card. That's what I feel like. I don't know maybe I got no merit and maybe what I'm saying is crazy, but it just feels like
it should be an issue be called the AI card versus the actual graphics card because I don't feel like it's really in the same realm of what a traditional graphics rendering is I think it's it's it's it's its own thing.

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It should have came out alongside traditional cards, but maybe I'm just crazy. Maybe it's not the same. Maybe it literally can do all the things we're talking about at better performance and it doesn't need all these crazy things because it's still like three times
better than what the traditional could do. It's not as if it's it has to have a baseline. You know what I'm saying? Like any type of frame generation has to work with the frames that they have now you're for accident because you're doing

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a frame. I'm looking for the numbers where it's not multi-frame. I'm looking for the one frame generation. So that way we can kind of get a baseline of what the performance can be without all of these bells and whistles being in the game. So that's what I'm waiting on. I'm hoping to see some numbers there.
And seeing what it truly is capable of. But we're not going to get that before these things sell out. And I think a little maybe some people are just jumping in headfirst and they like this is the new future and they could be a little disappointed.

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I feel like the messaging behind these 50 90 cards and are these 50 series cards is a little skewed and we're not getting the full picture just yet. I'm not trying to be a skeptic because what I what I heard from them and what I saw I'm talking about upgrades and every little
thing that like that we're talking the project digits the personal AI computer supercomputer being like $3,000 but you can run like it's a supercomputer. I didn't understand what they meant until I looked up some of the parameters around this AI supercomputer and what it can truly do as it sits tiny on your desk like almost smaller than a Mac mini.

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I feel like those types of achievements are kind of insane. And I feel like these things are really going to, you know, bring in that new wave of new AI in more capable ways I'm talking like the, when he was talking about physically and being able to kind of create those things

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I read I like I said I watched the whole keynote. I was, I do enjoy this kind of conversation, conversation, even if I don't understand half of it I feel like there's a lot to learn in AI right now and I feel like they are the people that's innovating in a way that others can't match yet so a lot of what they were saying I was eating it up.

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But when you have to come, you have to come down to what is it truly doing for, like, if you're looking at CUDA cores you're talking about 16,000 on the 4090 going to 6000 on the five on the 5070.
So you can tell that. Yeah, it's just not the same. I understand where people are coming from and they're being excited.

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But that ain't the type of performance you're talking about.
And I feel like performative wise, they're the biggest game here is going from the 4090 to the 5090 for rasterization and performance. And as you think about that, they're still charging us $400 more.

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And it does get to the point where okay, if I'm if I'm not getting the base performance of the 50, that's like even the 4090 compared to the 5080.
And I'm just looking at raw numbers here. I don't really know if this stuff is going to make or break the system if it's going to make it better if it's going to make it faster, but we're talking CUDA cores of 16,000 on that 4090 going down to 10,000 on that 4050 80.

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These type of things kind of tell me at least that what my expectations should be for the 5080 what it should be for the 5090. The only one that actually had an increase was the 5090.
And maybe that is the only card that's going to be justified and rasterization that makes sense for people to buy and still have a performance uplift without using DLSS and all the other good jazz.

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I still am excited. I do want to create a Nvidia build now. I just don't know where I'm going to my entry is going to be.
I need to see real performance because it may just be buying a 4090. Not gonna lie.
If it's not like and if I might find a cheap bill somebody want to, you know, jump up to the new ones. I'm like, I don't really need all that extra stuff. But at the same time, the vision for, I guess, gaming in the future is probably going to be more AI anyway.

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So it really does tend to favor their approach.
As you all know, AMD was super scared to even announce any of their prices, which made total sense. They don't want to be overshadowed by these guys.
They already have. They already get bad press already. It's not like FSR for is making waves, even though they said it's using AI computation.

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Now it's just the fact that, you know, Nvidia has been doing it longer and they always have been beating you. So it's no point of us paying you any attention to you show us what it looks like.
And at the same time, the my preference is still AMD, even though I feel like Nvidia is at the top of that of the leaderboard when it comes to just actual raw performance and the ability to kind of continue to innovate.

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But I do see merit in AMD's approach of being cautious, still kind of understanding what what really what really drives the boat in development or at least in graphical power, their mobile chips, their ability to kind of still have their footing in a gaming community.

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I think that they have the most to gain right now, especially if, you know, their their mid tier cards this year are going to be so AI focused that they forget the the reason why people, you know, generally upgrade to cards anyway.

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It's not for better AI performance is more so for better rasterized performance and getting a better uptick in games across a broad view versus these very specialized and picked 70 plus games.
Ain't nobody buying a new system to play Star Wars. I'm just I'm just saying I'm sorry they're not. Cyberpunk, you had a good you had a good one there, but you're gonna wait till Witcher 4.

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I don't really know what the what the next big one is that they're going to be showcasing that's really going to make people want to move around.
So, that's, that's pretty much my thoughts on the entirety of Nvidia.
I mean, there's plenty more to talk about, but I think we've covered the biggest point in this, the graphics cards for least for this show.

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I really do think that they have did a great job of showmanship.
I think that the at least you being able to say we're three timing two timing our performance previously is significant.
But it all being AI driven tells me how far we have come since the Will Smith eating spaghetti.

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So, it's just a lot to to say there and a lot to see. So, I'm looking forward to what happens next.
Any other thoughts on the 50 series Nvidia AI. It's the buzzword of the year.
Hey, anything you want to add. I mean, with the 30 series cars when they came out, they were used for a bunch of crypto farming and NFTs and stuff like that.

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I think that Nvidia like they are like a like PC software and video game focused, but they are also interested in other industries.
So that being said, I think the launch period might be a little awkward as far as like trying to get one and or like maybe the performance for games might not be all there.

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So yeah, I am. When you said they probably should announce this as like a different series card that I am in agreement with as well.
It's like, I think it's fine to have the AI features in all of their cards because that is a benefit.
But some cards should focus more heavily towards certain industries.

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And usually the flagship cars were for video games. But we'll see how it shakes out when it actually launches.
Yeah, for sure, for sure. We'll see. I think that they're doing a lot of amazing things, though, for sure.
And I think I think the goal is to catch them on their super sampling and all that stuff, too.

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But OK, next up, we had Lenovo's event.
And luckily, I sold that Lenovo last month, maybe I read up.
No, I'm just I ain't going to do it. I ain't going to read up that on the Lenovo Legion go to.
I might end up like the next one I'm a bias going to obvious.

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It's going to be it's going to be a steam OS one.
I was thinking about going back windows, but. Yeah, I think steam OS is the go to for now.
But yeah, the Lenovo Legion go to was announced and the Lenovo Legion go as the Lenovo Legion go as is the bet.

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The first steam OS operated handheld outside of the steam deck.
So this is the very first time you're going to be able to play steam OS outside of VALS hardware.
What an exciting time to be alive.

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And I say that simply because. I don't know what's going to happen in the next two years.
I feel like we're going to be in this crazy realm where we got steam OS outpacing both Sony and Microsoft.
And we're going to have this weird situation where these companies are going to start to combine, not like safer, not saying like I'm talking about share resources.

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I do think in the future that Microsoft is probably going to have either create some form of a.
Like the way that Linux is taking Microsoft's abilities and putting it into Linux, I think Microsoft is going to take Linux abilities and put it into Microsoft.

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Where are we going to have this unified approach to an operating system?
Because nobody Microsoft never cared that it's funny how Microsoft never cared that all steam was doing was getting people to hack or use Proton.

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I don't know if this is a legitimate thing that people can do, but Proton is simply a wormhole or gate hole into using the tribes and services and systems.
And I guess the is it like the kernel without using the kernel, Josh?
I don't really know how Proton works, but Proton is a simple way of just being able to run Windows based games on Linux.

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And I feel like we're going to have a crossover here.
I feel like they're too chipper to too nice.
Microsoft has never been nice.
They never been so friendly with Linux.
I just feel like at this point, there's going to be some combination here where Linux is going to help Microsoft with their ability to actually operate.

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A Xbox platform on a Windows based device and utilizing some of those Linux tools.
I just I just feel like something is going to happen that actually makes sense for Microsoft because at the end of the day, ain't nobody moving to Linux unless they start to create.

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I don't think it's in Steam's best interest to create a full fledged desktop experience and start to import these games there or these like applications and stuff like that.
It just I don't I don't think that that's the need.
Linux has been around for forever.
Steam is a top platform and they understand their their relationship with Windows.

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I just don't see them being at odds.
I see them working together.
And that's what I think.
And this is this Legion go and steam OS version and Windows version.
It just tells me that it ain't gonna be no fight, man.
It's I think it's gonna be some cooperation here, which is which is fine for me.

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I don't really care how they do it.
I just want to be able to play my games wherever I want whenever I want.
And I want to be able to sleep it without having an issue.
I don't really care who who what platform it sits on if they have some mixture of the both and you still get at the end of the day, you still going to have to buy something from Microsoft.

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It's just like one of those things where it's like, I don't know how it's going to work, but I see a vision for them to work together.
But yeah.
Did you see anything about the Lenovo Legion go?
Did any either one of you see something about it?
Tell me, I guess anything you saw or does this spark any interest in getting this fat, super large eight point eight inch device?

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The radar now.
So for me, no off that in which don't need a huge handheld, but I am excited for it to be.
It's only it's only.
Okay.

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That that only they ain't doing.
No, man.
It got B R that ain't doing that.
You say you don't need.
It's not.
It's all good stuff and I don't know what you're talking about.

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Good stuff.
I need smaller hand heels.
I don't need 74 watt battery.
Not doing nothing.
I already got a 20 hour battery on my.
Oh, my goodness. What that guy play Pac Man.
He planned all Star Wars.
It can play not Jedi survivor, but it can play Fallen Order.

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Oh, good.
Well, not as well.
Anyways, the size of the device is not for me.
And I don't the ergonomics and things like that.
But I like this market because of all the options like the noble like they are.
They're trying to push performance and innovation in one direction.

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Val is handling the software side of it and all the other companies.
They all have their own little benefits as far as like size or controllers and blah, blah, blah.
So I'm excited to finally see the best part of the steam deck, which is the steam OS, be on other systems because that.

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On its own could like change the entire PC generation, even though it's not generations, but like the next few years, we're like PC gaming.
Because I even when the steam deck came out, like a lot of people had the same deck, but even see it on like the just the developer site, better support for VRR, better support for like scalability as far as like the graphic settings and things like that.

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Obviously, not every game did that in a lot of online games have like their own anti cheats and stuff like that.
So that's their own issue. But like the developers who.
So this allows developers to target.
Operating system and use the features that are there.

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And that's just beneficial for all the players. So I, I'm happy to see the Legion actually get the steam OS, and.
Even if you I guess they do get what two different versions of the device. If they can run one, it should be able to run the other might not be as like performant.
But that being said, this finally coming out makes it better for everybody else, because this is a open platform as far as like.

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Linux. Yeah. And even though you know valve, they do own steam OS, but it's going to be open in a sense where once it's out to the file people can tweak in and stuff like that and do it.
So that I'm excited about because if we think back to like iOS versus Android.
I think that set like.
Even now the mobile industry back a whole bunch because they're not allowed to use anybody in the others innovation with Windows and Linux, if somebody is willing to do the work.

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You can have all the benefits from one on the other.
And I personally am excited to see that.
For sure. That's that's pretty much how you know the steam deck that got so popular because everybody in the community was working to make it so seamless and approachable and easy to understand and easy to tweak stuff.

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So it became such a community project that it probably just skyrocketed its performance and abilities to kind of get stuff done over the years. And as you can see that that is the true power of, you know, people that want to back get behind a great product.
The cool thing about the Legion go S is $499 starting, which is really good is very competitive with the steam deck.

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It does have the Z2 extreme.
Though it's all right. It does still have the Z1 extreme.
So it isn't necessarily going to have the more powerful chip in it. It's going to still have some of the same actual components that the first Legion go ahead.

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But it is going to be rocking steam OS now. So we're going to have a direct comparison on how performative steam OS will allow a device to be over Windows running the same hardware.
So it's really going to be fast.

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Sorry, it's going to be fascinating to see that type of stuff and those types of
videos and comparisons. But at the end of the day, it's $499, bro. It's more competition and it's also giving you a better chip.
So, yeah, I'm super excited about this. I'm really am like excited to see the evolution of steam OS. I feel like it should be everywhere.

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I feel like it should be in a handheld. I feel like it should be on consoles. I feel like it should be something I can boot into if I wanted to on my Windows.
And I think that Windows will allow it. I really do. I really feel like they all just create a kernel for steam OS.
And it's going to be something that is in partnership with with with Microsoft and Microsoft is going to tweak it. And it's going to be Windows operated or operating on steam OS or something.

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And I really do feel like that's the only way Windows will lock it.
Knock this knock its walls down to allow gay pass to be playable.
Steve OS and things like that, because it's going to be a somewhat a combination of the two.
That's my thoughts. I mean, that's my I guess is my prayer because really they don't got to know that they don't have to be nice.

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They don't have to be happy with one another. They can literally stay competitors and lose out on the benefit to work together.
But I just don't see that happening because steam and and Windows have been working together for a very long time.
It isn't it isn't it didn't fall out and get bad until like Windows.
I want to say eight when they want to do that stupid app stuff and close the walls down to what they can do.

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So I feel like I guess this is more so a humbling experience for them.
And I feel like Windows should take heed of it and truly, you know, join the bandwagon of what this is and create something special here.
Because honestly, I don't need a I don't need a window.
I don't need a Microsoft handheld if I got a steam OS that's operating and working through Windows and has the compatibility to kind of take care of all games and still have the ability to do other things, too.

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I just feel like that functionality there makes a unique.
I don't think I think steam OS can still be its own thing and it allow for the innovation and compatibility to be switched over to Windows to allow for even better experience in a different way.
And those not have to compete with one another because as they share resources and abilities that that that that becomes and shows that they have some type of unity and creating a platform that makes sense for all gamers on handhelds.

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And maybe even on their PCs, because everybody is as productive.
Everybody doesn't need to run and operate all their applications through Windows.
And they're not going to lose the businesses. Ain't nobody going to switch to Linux. It's going to be one of those things where they can coexist.
So I want to see it.

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And I'm hopeful for that.
But yeah, anything else on Lenovo?
Anything that y'all saw or thought about that should be stated or anything y'all want to mention?
You you had the reason right? You switch it out for what?

(01:01:27):
I just kept my Steam Deck OLED and just I just sold it so I can actually it funded my PS5 Pro.
Yeah. OK. Yeah. So I didn't buy anything else.
Yeah, I was I was just looking at the new one. Like, I think it looks a lot better than the old one, like ergonomic twice. But yeah, I just prefer smaller handheld because if I if I need a big screen or OLED, I just play on my desktop.

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Now, I agree. I mean, it is a big it's a beefy boy. I'm not going to.
And this one doesn't even have a kickstand. That's my favorite part. So the Lenovo Legion Go 2 will be the still the one I would get if I was to get a big one again.
But I do feel a lot more comfortable with the smaller screen with a better better image.
I just don't like the 800p option on the Steam Deck. Even with the OLED.

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I feel like the I feel like I could I feel like I need either 1080p or higher. Maybe 1080p should be fine.
You know, I mean, I just feel like that is my minimum now.
800p is cool. I'm not saying it's bad, but I can tell the grain, the graininess of it and I can see it.

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And I don't like I don't like it because then I'm judging it and I'm like, well, the PS portal could be at 1080p. Why can't this thing be at 1080p?
So I think 1080p is my my end all be all. Once it's there, I don't really need nothing else.
I don't need to be sharper. I don't need 1440p or 1600p.
But that that sweet spot for me is 1080p and having a sharper screen, more pixels allows for a better experience.

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I might. That's what that's what I'm holding out for.
And I think that's what the Steam Deck is going to do when the next time it comes out.
But yeah, Lenovo.
Asus. I could have sworn Asus was also going to be doing.

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Have another have a meeting, but I didn't see anything for Asus.
The only thing I saw was this gaming tablet.
I thought it was cool, but everything else they didn't they didn't show any rogue ally and didn't show anything that I was necessarily interested in.
Did you see anything from Asus?

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No, I don't. I didn't see anything. Yeah.
Well, I think they recently re-released the rogue ally.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So, I mean, they're 20, 25.
Theirs was not that interesting. Obviously, I'm only I'm only checking for like true handhelds or I'm only checking for Asus for handhelds.

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I'm not really checking up on them. Anything else I did see the modular gaming laptop, which I thought was really, really cool.
Where you can like literally, I believe it was the try to remember the name.
But basically, you can like add more RAM and you don't know screwdrivers.
You just pop the back plate off, twist the top, pull the RAM out.

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You could twist the top, pull the SSD card and expand the SSD card slot on the left.
It was like really, really cool designed and even as a 5090 in it.
So they had a really just a really cool laptop.
I'm just not a laptop gamer. I don't I never needed a laptop to game.
It just seems like the more preferred experience for any mobile game is going to be a handheld.

(01:05:12):
So never was really interested in a laptop, but I did see some pretty cool innovation there with the Asus.
I don't remember the name of it. It was it was it was the main one to why can't I remember that name?
Anyways, it looked cool.
Would you ever buy a gaming laptop or what?

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I never I know I know Jalen just bought one to buy one. But I didn't I buy it specifically for a game and go.
I just like, you know, I could if I wanted to.
Now is have we have you ever owned a gaming laptop, Josh?

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I think you have. Yeah, I've had gaming laptops where I where I stand with them now.
And I mean, I do use them like at work and stuff like that.
And so they're they're useful because like you can just boot up like a, you know, any game and that has pretty decent performance.
But my issue with gaming laptops is for the price that you're paying, you have to sacrifice a lot as far as like.

(01:06:29):
There's a sweet spot of like battery life performance and then like the cost.
And for me, I don't think is justified in which the performance level that I want versus the pay that I want the cost want to pay is just not there.
I would rather a weaker device like a Steam Deck or something like that that is 100 percent tailored for games.

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That way I get decent performance, but I'm not paying for the extra stuff that's in a laptop because I just don't see the benefit.
Whereas if I'm going to pay a thousand dollars, I might as well just get desktop.
And if I want to pay less than a thousand dollars to play games, get a Steam Deck or one of these devices that can run Windows or Steam OS.

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Because, yeah, that's just where I'm at.
But they are useful, but you are spending money for the portability and it's a sacrifice for the performance.
Yeah, I agree.
I just never, like I said, I've never been a laptop guy.

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This didn't make sense.
It was always one of those things where I'm going to be gaming.
I'm going to be gaming in the best experience possible or at least the experience that I felt the best.
And it was never plugging my laptop in and sitting there on a tiny 15, 16 inch screen and going at it.
So just didn't make sense.

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Plus I was mostly counsel gaming.
I think laptops, gaming laptops really took off when kids was going to college and they thought that, you know, it was our generation.
Really, it was meant for our generation.
I don't know how many people are still buying gaming laptops out there that probably aren't from our generation.

(01:08:24):
Maybe it's a lot and I'm just tripping.
But I got cousins.
I got a little niece and nephews.
I don't ever see nobody just walking around with a game laptop anymore.
They got to be like maybe it's always been that traditional period when you're going to from high school to college and you've got to get a laptop for college anyway.
And some people just decide to get a gaming one.

(01:08:46):
I just never see it.
You know, so yeah, if it's about really playing it, you have played a game that bad.
Just stream it.
Yeah.
And that's pretty much what they and they're not playing much more so than Fortnite and Roblox.
So they don't really need these high end, you know, overly engineered laptops.

(01:09:08):
So I just I really do feel like it is just us in the market that's out here buying these things at this point.
So, hmm.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like they go for stability.
I mean, I feel like they go for people that's like moving around a lot of stuff they really need to play.
But now we got handhelds and stuff now.
So I don't think they efficiency is like really present anymore, especially with the battery life and how much they cost.

(01:09:34):
If you could get them down your experience just a little bit, you could get a portable like they have.
That's going way better or be more efficient and easier to carry because gaming laptops is pretty heavy, too.
Additionally, like with us, like you made a good point, like our age group that probably got a transition period.
If anybody got any sort of stability and they're not like in a military or just like moving around and things like that.

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I mean, I think a desktop would probably be the most preferred method just because like I'm not ripping and running.
I could just come with a common place.
You know, treat it similar to like a console experience.
So obviously, we got to fold stuff like to your prime example of keeping his desktops and be going everywhere.
And then by my power complain, I got to pay X amount of dollars.
I think she said it's like five hundred dollars a chip or that stuff.

(01:10:23):
And he is like, said, well, pack it up in his box.
You know, I'm saying it's way too much work.
I love my little brother, but just for the people that's listening.
But yeah, he just I'd be like, bro, if you don't just stop playing laptops, I mean, desktop gaming and just get a freaking laptop or freaking get a portable or something,
because I'd be tired of hearing about him and his desktop and then it's part somebody may even take the mug elsewhere and just it's going to get thrown around in the UPS truck or whatever.

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And then you know, I'm saying you're talking about moving that mug.
I'm like, I'm tired of hearing about this desktop, and you helped him build it.
Did you have a little like in twenty nineteen or something?
Yeah, I did. I did.
Twenty eighteen. Yeah, man. Blame you.
Looks like you forgot my name. Yeah, whatever.
It's odd. At the club we all fail.

(01:11:15):
No, that was definitely one of those.
That was funny, too, because I think we had he had to take it back out and like do something with because he ain't put the he set something down correctly.
But they got it. Got it running.
We get we we good now.
That was that was my second time creating a PC.
But yeah, the the gaming laptops, I feel like is, yeah, one of those things where I'm just like, I don't see the interest anymore, but they keep creating them.

(01:11:45):
So there's got to be somebody out there looking for them.
And I think that as a prime example is people that are moving around, moving and shaking and probably are big gamers, too.
And they prefer PC gaming a lot.
So that might be the goal.
But as these handhelds get more powerful and more powerful and more custom and easy and portable, I just don't see the appeal to me.

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And that's probably why they made this gaming tablet.
I've never seen one before.
But yeah, they created a gaming tablet as well.
So very, very much very interesting stuff.
But yeah, I mean, that's that's pretty much what I wanted to discuss from CES.

(01:12:32):
Was there anything you guys saw from LG or anybody else that you all saw that I thought would be interesting to kind of cover at all?
Because next thing I was going to talk about was going to move back into some other stuff.
But anything else I can see, yes, that you all wanted to cover.
Not for me. No, no, no, no, no, no.

(01:12:58):
OK, OK. Let's talk about this switch, too.
It pretty much has been revealed because everything has leaked from the controllers to the motherboard, to the screen design, to the button layout, to pretty much everything.
I don't know what is left to really discover.

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But the big indication from the motherboard is that it is a.
I believe it was either seven or eight nanometer, which I'm not I'm not going to pretend like I know what that stuff means.
All I know is, is that the larger the nanometer, the more power how the power efficiency is worse.

(01:13:49):
So it is up there and everybody thought it was going to be a certain type of nanometer that was going to allow for better performance and better clock speeds.
But it is one of those ones that's going to be weaker.
And if they have to lower those clock speeds, you're not going to get the performance you think you're getting.
And you're probably going to be getting a lower image upscale to 1080p, 1440p or 4K.

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And this may still have some of those cool features, but the output may not be as joyous as you may want as you're going through some of the games.
It is going to be comparable to lower resolution PS4.

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Oh, I feel like when I talk about the switch in Nintendo,
my biggest concern for them is that they don't mess it up, right?
They don't make the mistakes they always make. They don't have the blunders that they always create where they mess it up.
I think this is primed to be messed up simply due to the fact that this is their this is this is the this is the generation normally when they do.

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We use switch switch to this is the generation. They always skip one.
So to me, regardless of what they put out, I think it'll sell.
OK, I just don't think they're going to find the success of the switch that they found before.
And I don't think it's going to be that much of a grand of a leap.

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I think it's going to be a leap in regards to what they previously put out.
But to us, it's going to be pretty pretty.
So to be pretty standard and effectively the best thing that's going to be good on that console again is going to be Nintendo games,
which that's all they really have to do.
So I don't I don't I don't I don't want to compare it to a theme deck.

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I don't want to compare it to anything else, because honestly,
if I'm in the move, if I'm in if I'm in the market for a steam deck, I'm not in the market for a switch.
And if I'm in a market for both, I'm in a market for both.
Well, what I can say is this.
They have.

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Created this stigma.
They have created their problem, and I don't see them successfully maneuvering through it.
I just see that they're going to continue to have their ebbs and lows and they're going to continue to be Nintendo throughout.
The key to the key to key to all of this is that I feel as if as long as this backrest compatible,

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that's all that really matters at this point.
Until they break that backrest compatibility is when I will probably buy another council from them.
Hear me out.
I'm not saying I won't buy this switch to this when they break backwards when they break their backwards compatibility.

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That is when I know they tried to innovate.
I know they're not trying to innovate right now.
I know they're trying to keep status quo.
That's a problem.
I don't think the Nintendo should try to please people by staying with the backwards compatibility.
I know it's anti consumer.

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I know that it's a problem, but honestly, I'm not going to go back and play any of their games.
It never made sense to me anyway.
I never bought any of their games without selling them because all their games hold their fair value.
I don't care to play any of their old games because again, those experiences don't tend to get better.
They tend to stay the same and still be great.

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So to me, the only time to truly buy a new council from them is when they innovate and they not doing that.
What are your thoughts on Nintendo switch to and do you feel like it's enough or I guess what do you feel right now?

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If we're talking switch to we're talking this successor.
We're talking the value of their brand right now.
We're talking their games.
What do you think about the switch to?
I could just go real quick.

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So as far as like this switch to, I seen like a few leaks or whatever.
I seen something about you might be up there like the PS4, my generation and a half away.
But I think I just want to take it back to like even just when I decided to get a new console, like what's going through my mind.
So generally what's going through my mind when I'm going to get a new console is like, hey,

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I'm going to keep playing the game basically.
So I need a console that's going to be able to play the game.
The game won't keep coming out this and a third.
I need something that can adequately play on.
Otherwise, I'll get left in the dust.
The game is going to be bogged down.
You know, we get that split generation type thing when they get stuff on a PS4 and a PS5 at the same time.
But if you want a more definitive experience, go for the PS5 version.

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So with that being said, keeping that same basis in mind or principle, I guess,
I would for sure get a Switch 2 just on a basis of like, well, if I want to play Nintendo games, I need to go get a Switch.
I'll go get the next Switch.
However, I think the roadblock that I've been running into because I haven't been playing my Switch.

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So because I haven't been playing my Switch, how likely am I to get a Switch 2?
Obviously, it's more upgrades for all the play Nintendo things there.
But is there something that's going to really, really drive me to get the Switch?
And I think just speaking like general, not like for me, I'm just speaking real generally.
Or I guess going to me speaking specifically, I don't really foresee myself getting a Switch 2

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until I think they have a decent catalog of games that I will A, want to play and B, have the time to play.
Because I think the Switch came out at an effective time where, you know,
people are talking about the pandemic or the pandemic and, you know, handheld gaming and stuff.
It was big, but it wasn't as big with like the portable PCs and things like that like it is now.

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Like it seemed like it's hitting the market a lot stronger now.
So even though the Switch don't necessarily have, quote unquote, competitors,
because if you want to play Nintendo games, you're going to get a Switch.
It's just if I want those third party games and you know, they always talk about the third party games that sell it.
So I guess I'm kind of eluded to I think the third party games really need to sell the Switch
and the people who want to play Nintendo games and the people who want to play third party games is kind of that.

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That's going to be like the differentiating factor.
I just think that the Switch had a lot of success because it came out with that other Switch version.
And people was like, well, I want to play some portable and, you know, had that flexibility to do those things.
That was a draw point.
But I don't think that this will necessarily had the same draw point because the Switch already did it.

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And it's not as, quote unquote, innovative.
So I think they might need the third party support and maybe a little bit more innovation in order for it to sell and to not others,
not only others, but me also, if that makes sense.
I'm just not invested in an ecosystem enough to be like, I need to go get a Switch to, I need to go get a Switch to,
because I haven't even been planning a Switch I got.

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Hey, I agree. I feel like there's a lack of benefit.
What about you, Josh?
I mean, I haven't been playing the Switch just because the device is old.
And it's not even I felt like the hardware was old when it came out, but the Switch is like eight years old.

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So the software that's being made for it now is just past its prime.
So if you can give me a new Nintendo hardware with Nintendo games, I don't have any issue buying it because I don't.
I personally will buy and I will personally play third party games on the Nintendo Switch.

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Or I did because that was the basically the only handheld out.
So if I wanted to play any game, third party game mobile, I either had to stream it with streaming that sucked in 2018 or play it on the Switch.
And so playing on the Switch was the worst option, but it was the only option versus now with Steam Deck and everything else.

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I personally I don't feel like I need it for third party games, but like nobody buys Nintendo systems for third party games.
Like they don't if they can show a Zelda game that is PS4 level, then everybody will buy it because that's all that people really care about is that we got Nintendo games in modern ish hardware.

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So I don't think it will have any issues selling. I don't have any issue buying it.
Just put out the games like that's usually Nintendo struggles when they don't have any games coming out.
And as long as they can avoid that, they'll be good.
OK, I guess my concern with the approach is that this is the I guess the year of continuation.

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This is the year where their new Zelda game is probably going to hit the switch regardless.
And any of the blow that would have been felt is no longer going to be felt because they have 100 and set with 50 million of those out there right now.
So all it is is going to be where you can play your games potentially better. And I just don't see it being enough for the masses.

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I do see it being enough for Nintendo fan, and I do see it being enough for most people.
But honestly, I feel like this is the year to wait. Like I feel like I did the right thing with the Wii U as well.
I just waited to the end of the generation and I played all the games I wanted to play.
And the experience was better for me at that point because I felt like I didn't have this feeling of regret because the entire generation was lackluster.

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I just felt like I had this joy of playing Toad Tracker, Treasure Tracker, I was playing Donkey Kong, I was playing.
I even play Zombie U and stuff like that. Like the experiences that you were providing me over the years while we was in college, I just went back and played them.
So I think it was cool. I just think it was it was cool enough for me to go out and buy one.

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And I feel like I'm going to be to feel the same way. Now, granted, I'm in a different space. I'm in a different position where I could probably just buy it and just leave it, let it sit for a long time and be OK with that.
But it's just like if I was still in that same mindset, then as I was today, this would be the generation to wait until the end.

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Because at the end is where I'm going to truly see the benefits.
I'm truly going to see if it was worthy enough of the the upgrade or whatever the case may be.
And it's going to be at the point where it's probably going to be at its most valuable.
And I just don't feel like the entire generation is going to feel that way.

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I feel like you're going to get some bankers here and there in those bangers aren't going to be enough to sustain a a a a group of people that one already have something comparable into the people that is looking for them better experiences.
It's just going to be a mixture of the in between and nobody's going to have fun. That's what I think is going to happen.

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Because this is not the year of innovation. This is the year to sustain.
I mean, this is the council generation to sustain.
And that's where I fall where I'm like, I think they're going to mess up.
And and it's and that's cool. It's not like they don't lose a not going to lose.

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That's not I don't want that to be this the with this.
They're going to sell well because they're still going to have that tinkering between the two. I really do believe they have no they have no zero interest in leaving the switch behind.
I wouldn't leave the switch behind, even if it's eight years old.
So that's what I think. That's what I think is what happened. And I think that most people should simmer their expectations because, yes, there'll be a seven nanometer or or whatever.

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But it's going to be running games that were built for the switch.
So you're going to be fine. It's going to be great in the handheld.
But it's just not going to be something that's going to make people want to go and buy it.
That is my opinion. That is not fact.

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It's just a game. If they got like a new Mario game, they're going to buy it.
Yeah, that's what I was about to say. I mean, and what I was saying was I don't think that is going to do bad.
I just don't think it's going to do as well as the switch did. I think the switch caught people in a vulnerable time during the pandemic.
That's when people started picking up games and picking them away. You know what I'm saying?
Let's go. You feel me? But because of now, I think they would have to find like something big would have to happen to cause them to sell a lot.

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I think as long as they're not pigeonholing people in the door, I know it's crazy. You know what I'm saying?
Like what this Wii U is doing. Dang, my gamepad there, bro. Don't be charging my game. I can't find it. You know what I'm saying?
Stuff like that. I think it's going to do well as long as they got the Mario, the Zelda.
Maybe they might be able to catch some nostalgia with Animal Crossing or something like that. You know what I'm saying?

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And then, I mean, they're going to be good. I mean, is it going to sell it to Deontay on day one?
Probably not. Jalen on day one? I mean, most definitely not. Josh? I mean, you know, Nintendo fanboy, you know, you got to do his best, man. Support, support.
Nah, just kidding. But nah, but that's all I'm saying with it, though.
I think it's going to sell well. I think because the Switch did well, that's going to help perpetuate it.

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You know, it's the Switch, too. Keeping that name the same is going to cause people to, you know, they do always have to go, alright bet.
I don't I just don't think it's going to do as well as the Switch did. But we'll see though. We'll see.
Yeah, we will see for sure. I think that the good thing about all this stuff is all speculation.

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They could come out with some software that's super, super good that shuts me right on up and helps me helps me get over the hump of feeling like this is going to be the generation to skip at least for most of it.
But with that being said, and I got a freaking bad my cytosis are bested up, oh, freaking stuffy. Can't even talk right.

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So I apologize if I've been sounding all crazy, but that's pretty much it. I didn't have much else to say.
Did you guys have anything else that you guys wanted to discuss before we get up out of here? Anything last minute topics that I didn't catch?

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No, no. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marvel. I know I've been talking about it like y'all played a little bit, but the big news is that season one or the new season is starting and it's gonna be three months and they're gonna have four new characters.
In one season versus in comparison to Overwatch, we get one new character every three seasons or every other season. Yeah, I think it's actually every three like they do season nine and then season 12.

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So basically Overwatch again, maybe two characters a year and Marvel we drop in four in the first season. I don't know if they're going to be for every season, but it seems like it.
So for me, that tells me their approach to balance in the game is we want as many characters and maybe let you have as much fun as possible balance.

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We don't care.
So I think for me right now, that's what I'm looking for. But four characters and they're not coming all day one. They're gonna drop them throughout the season. But like four seasons, four characters at one time is scary when you think about like balance.
Yeah, like fighting games. They do one, like one every six months.

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No, and they already got a pretty extensive roster. So with all with with flaws already. So I feel like Marvel rivals is fun. I mean, it's not it's super it's enjoyable in in spurts and I feel like definitely the easiest to jump in and kind of guess when I was playing with.

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Like I said, I was playing my little brother and we was playing together and he was he was having a blast and I was just trying to keep him alive. He was running around playing venom. I'm telling him to back up and you know, you can stay alive because that game is so I don't know.
It's so it's so not as strategic as Overwatch. So we was a I was able to keep him alive. He was able to make some plays. He was able to use his supers. He was having fun. The controls are very simplistic because they basically are Overwatch controls and he enjoyed himself and we want so one a few matches.

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So it is one of those things where yeah he's and he was playing on my account. So I know it wasn't about.
But anyways, it was kind of one of those things where you know you can tell that the game is a little bit more laid back. The approach is more simplistic and most people can do a lot of damage or be be aggressive on the field and and make it make it work regardless of setup.

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It's definitely one of those things where you have to play it to really understand it. So.
Yeah, that's all. I was just surprised to see that. And it's a rarity for online games. Yeah. But other than that, yeah, I think we had a good pot.

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All righty. Well, as usual, I want to thank you guys for listening. As always, I appreciate you, especially if you got to this part, you the real G.
Thanks for listening to us ramble talk about stuff. And again, we appreciate you. We'll see you when we ramble again and that next week.

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Peace.