Dan’s in Love, Joe’s Gone Missing (ft. Dan Salpietro & Jonny Whitehead)

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Holden Holden send more house tosave the house.
Can I have I've been under pressure today.
Anyway, hello everybody and welcome to the House cast.
Because we're recording, I don'twant any inappropriate language

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or comments and thanks everyone for listening.
I'm not sure how we're going to manage tonight because our main
man is is not here. There's a few rumours of where
he is or where he might be of. I've got my own thoughts but Joe
Martin is not appearing. I think it's the first time he's
missed it. Gooch.

(00:59):
I don't. Can you remember him missing 1?
I can't ever him noise. He's consecutive house cast
appearances, rivalries, consecutive games for the first
team, I think. Yeah, they do and his
performance is a probably is equal but but we'll see if we
manage. I'm led to believe it's record
and it's taken me 20 minutes to get in, but let's see how we go

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again. Duke, I'll just ask you, is this
the most consecutive weeks we'vedone?
I know we keep pottying when we win in, but what?
We missed last week. Oh yeah, we did, didn't we?
Yeah, we're on my jollies. Yeah, so it didn't work for it,
does it? And we did win last week as
well. So.
But we've got to keep going whilst there's so much to talk

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about. Douche.
I think you're great that. Lots of cricket, jazz, yeah.
Lots of cricket and lots of great crickets entertaining.
It is better when we're winning and the the spectators love it,
the lovers being on and love theepisodes being released.
We've got 2 great guests on tonight who will introduce in a
minute, but before we get to that, I'll introduce the host.

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So as everyone can hear, Dutch is on looking great, wandering
around the pitch on Sunday, looking cool as a cucumber
again. And we've got Gary on.
How you doing, Gaz? I'm good, Jess.
Thanks. Yeah.
Everything all right? Yeah, all good here.
Good to see you all. Yeah, yeah.
And you're as happy as Larry. We do where the house are going
with messages. Keep rolling.

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It's good fun. Oh yeah, yeah, it is.
It's trying to fit everything in, isn't it?
I know it is, yeah. There's that much to do and that
much to try and watch it. Maybe a laugh on that WhatsApp
chat that we had where you were you were getting bollocked for
keep sneaking the the stream on.It's great because there's no
sign. Wife don't even know it's on
sometimes, yeah. Well, that's it.

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I would just like reckoning our my review but.
Yeah, and and. Obviously I had to get the the
superstitious thing in about notmoving chairs, you see, so and
what, what can you do? What can you do?
Yeah, we've all got that. We've all got it.
Our other Co host, Gav. Good, good that you can.
Come on Gav, I know Mondays. You like the Mondays?

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How you doing? Yeah.
All right, mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All good. Thank you.
Yeah, All good. Yeah, yeah.
And to turn yesterday was great to get down there.
I didn't, I wasn't there Friday or Saturday.
Did you get down to any of the games, Gav?
Yeah, I went. Down there, went down Friday and
went down to clubs Saturday for a couple of hours.

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Watched twos and followed yesterday on play cricket.
Brilliant, brilliant. So I'm going to go into the
guest before we start talking about the cricket and just see
how they're doing. The format's going to be just
all cricket tonight. We've got the results from the
seconds, there's been the Worsley Cup draw that we'll talk

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through, but there's nothing else, no draws or anything else
on. So we'll come on to an amateur
who's, you know, he's absolutelyon fire.
He's doing a great job for us. It comes on the podcast quite
often and he's always good, goodfun and we have some good crack
and mileage with him. Johnny Whited.
How you doing, Johnny? Very good, very good.

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Thank you, gents. Great to see you all tonight.
Good lad, good lad, are you? How's it going?
We were chatting at weekend, a few of the spectators around the
players and the amount you're playing and you know, and then I
know you don't do a great deal of bowling, but it's it's
mentally an issue all the games and and I was it go how you

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finding it, the amount of games?Oh yeah, it's tough.
It's a challenge because obviously there has been a lot
of volume. Well, you're not travelling as
well and not exactly being around the corner.
I guess it's more more airtime with the lads.
But yeah, it takes its toll. It does take its toll.
I think, you know, Fridays have been the same problem for a few

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years where you sort of, you know, someone even managed to
finish work properly and I mean,to get to a game rather than
finishing work and get into a game because it's, you know,
you're just going straight there.
So that's always been a challenge.
And then obviously the Lancs cope with our pet, both Penrith
and never feel, which is close to 1 and half two hours away.
So it's despite the early finish.

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But yeah, a lot of cricket but but a lot of wins as well.
So it's always good. It works hand in hand.
Yeah, it keeps you going, I suppose the wins keep you going
and and you see the side is always, you know, a good
strength and people want to play.
You know, we, I think we talked with yourself and I think Ben a
couple of years ago about, you know, a bit of a rotation system

(05:43):
just to rest players and, and get people out.
And I'm sure the other guests will have comments around this,
certainly for amateurs. But once you're winning, you
know, and as a batter as well, you don't want to miss a game.
You don't want to be like, do you discuss rotation?
Do you discuss resting players? South is probably more in the
nor that, you know, on that subject than me.

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But to Chuck my 2 pence and I would say probably not nor
because there's also that other conversation we have to have
where we sort of say, you know, we try and ask.
And Ben actually had this conversation with us a few weeks
ago towards the start of the season where he was asking us,
you know, as a team, can we justmake sure that we are as
available as, you know, as much as we can because it's so

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important. Not not necessarily for making
people like Giorgucci's Ben's lives easier, but more because,
you know, I think it's in line with what we're trying to do as
a unit. Consistency.
I think it's important because when you've got people like the

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young lads like that, CC Ganza and Henry, who are, you know,
who are stepping up this year interms of their responsibilities
and their roles that they play in the team, you know, or put up
in order, you know, first changewith the ball in some in some
games. You know, they've got to get,
they've got to find their rhythm.
And I don't think it would work to have people like you,

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Francois, etcetera, coming in, playing games just because we're
wrestling with people, you know,the lads, and then having them
come back in to then play that role.
You know, I think we're trying to give them as much game time
as possible to make sure they find their feet.
But also the developers, we wishthem as we want them to in
Firstly cricket. Yeah, yeah.
And it is when you talk about itlike that, it is a thin line.

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You know, you've got those youngkids who who are pushing and,
you know, you've got to look at the rooms that Will Norcross is
getting and also, you know, Frankie's back playing a little
bit. The squad is getting bigger and
bigger which had to pressure on but it is good to certainly for
the young kid, the young lads tohave that mental pressure as
well and say how they cope with it.
And I'm sure between you all you're such a tight knit group

(07:54):
that you would manage it should there be a problem.
So we'll come back to you Johnnyand we'll as we talk through the
games but we'll go on to our 2ndguest.
It's professional dance. Alpietro, How you doing Dan?
I am good. Thanks Jez.
It's it's been a little bit of time.
It's it's lovely to be here and see all your faces on screen
again. Yeah, it's brilliant.

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I mean, it's we still talk aboutthe podcast you came on when you
first, you know, your first first were proing for us and and
how insightful it was and your thoughts around the game and
obviously that's not going to change as you're getting older.
How are you? What's your thoughts around the
amount of cricket that's been played?
I know you've had your injuries so you're desperate to get back

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and play a lot and we'll come onto that, but for the amateurs,
how do you find that? Yeah, I was just about to say
just it's actually quite nice. I think I'm playing one and
missing 5 or something like that.
So it's actually quite I could get used to this.
I reckon I've got another 15 years in me.
Yeah, that's been that's been frustrating.
It's actually, if you look at myback, it's probably yeah, it was
the the 1st proing game that I've missed over a decade of

(09:01):
proing. And then it happened to go
back-to-back with a busted toe. So yeah, finding that a bit
indifferent myself. But from a from an amateur point
of view, it's really important topics because one part of me
says that we don't want to miss games and we want to have a
regular team out the whole time.But there comes a balance.
Like at the end of the day, thisis a, you know, a community
based club and we want to embrace and support family and

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and jobs and, and just the way that we go about it as a group.
So just the full transparency and understanding puts us in a
really good position. So, for example, I think Johnny
would mind me saying it that he had a lovely break away with his
with his partner and family. But sometimes that's really
refreshing for people. And, and also the the family
then has recognition that the club has supported a decision to

(09:45):
do that. So he comes back in a better
headspace and continues to do what he's done.
And that's become the the club batting pro, as I call him.
And I'm I'm the bowling pro. Yeah, I suppose.
And Johnny will take that. I'm sure he will.
But it's interesting because this will take us back to when
you were on last time and I think what is really significant

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at Law House now, and I think other clubs are getting there,
but it certainly didn't happen in, certainly not in my day.
And Gary's maybe Gavin jaws a little bit.
You're aware of it now and you've mentioned Johnny, you
mentioned him individually because of what he's doing.
But for someone else it might bedifferent.
Someone else might just need to have a weekend off because
they're getting grief. It's all about individuals, I

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guess. Yeah, and I could take you
through the full list. I know that the play, all our
playing squad inside out as far as relationships go.
And I made that, we made that very prevalent from the start on
the onset, I knew who was potentially going to miss at
what times. And can we collaborate them in
with someone who's like for likeplay ensure that we don't miss
together. And so we've had all those
conversations, We plan all thoseconversations just to try and

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make life a bit easier for Ben and Duchen.
Of course, there's always some unforeseen circumstances that
you have to be adaptable and andbe able to sort of just find a
way. But I certainly know within our
group and at the core group fromwhat we show is that we are
wanting to be there. And when you're in an
environment where you want to bethere when someones missing,
just as you mentioned before, when you're winning, you want to

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play. We've created this, this, this
really good connection there that you all want to play.
So if someone is, there's a legitimate reason, it's not
because the dog ate me homework and I've got to sit there and do
it all again. It's, it's actually a bit of a
theory to it. So yeah, it's been it's, it's,
it's really good, mate. We're, we're making some really
good progress as a group. And like you say, it was a year

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ago and, and a year stronger together.
And yeah, there's a lot of lot of stories in between so far
already. Of course there is any and I
guess that it does roll down andthat will go.
Obviously the second team are doing so well.
I know they got relegated but they're bouncing around for it
and you talk to the players around the club and again we're
going to the house London game. But say, you know, if we'd have

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sneaked, you know, just underneath and they'd have
beaten us in that game, the players would have been itching
to come back. You can see that come back and
prove a point next week. I just, I do find it interesting
and I don't mean this to be controversial, but when it comes
to a stage where you as a group and and an individual is

(12:15):
struggling, you know, completelyout of form and it doesn't
matter batter bowl or whoever isthat.
It's always difficult. When I was skipper, when Gary
was, when I got dropped, when you know, Duke's your gap got
dropped and it's a horrible word.
How would that go down if, you know, we lost a couple of
players, went in the seconds andthe seconds came up?

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Would this attitude still be in the same place and the mindset?
Yeah, and and again, it's like anyone who gets you know, we
called the term dropped. If they're not animated about
it, then they're probably not atthe right the right place and
playing for the right reasons. So we always expect that
response. I think what the key is to that
is the guidance leading up to those occasions, not just being

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blindsided and saying right, seeyou later.
And again, I hold group. So whether it's myself having
conversations, but I know that these these these Johnny and and
obviously Ben is the the obviouschoice, but we've got this click
click within the group of these conversations are happening
daily because we had a conversation just at Woolston.

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I think Johnny might be able to remember this, that what we want
to do is we want to make it safeto come and and have your chats
about your concerns. So if you feel like you are on
the brink of, you know, maybe missing sharing your thoughts
and about how you can impact thegroup more, we have these
conversations in lead up to it. So people are in a yeah, in a
position where they're understanding of what's
happening. And don't get me wrong, Jazz,
there's definitely been times where we're coming up to the

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point here now and it's the whatifs and what happens here.
And we all know that. And again, that just comes back
to, you know, the guys having a really, really good
understanding of where they stand.
So then when these conversationsdo arise, we we're trying to
make the best decision possible for.
The club, I could talk about this all day long because I'll
bring Gary in about how we used to be.

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So for example, Player A is struggling for a few weeks.
They know the self. You know, when if you bowl not
bowling right or you can't, you can't knock it off the square.
You're starting to have those conversations then around right.
Can we do anything about this? Do we just change a bit of
style? Do we not necessarily move the
batting order around? But you're talking and talking
and talking and then unfortunately it gets to a point

(14:23):
where player A you know, it's got to go in the settings and
get some form. They're ready for it.
Almost, Dana, we in probably the, I don't know, Gary, the the
80s into the 90s. We used to see the team sheet,
used to have to look through theletterbox at club to see them to
see the team sheet on the board.And that's how you find out that

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you were dropped and everyone was talking behind your back
down in, you know, dressing roomand and that's how you find out.
True though, isn't it, Gary? There was some real, you know,
and it's not just that life. This happened to every club
backstabbing because so and so has got more runs and so and so
and he should be in seconds now.And you know, my brother's got
more runs so he's got to come in.

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It was, it was difficult back then.
Gary won't. It sounds quite easy now.
It was and there was probably more some selections made based
on friendship and and everythingelse rather than pure cricketing
reasons or an even tougher for selection committees sometimes
because you know, somebody obviously needed a running the

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twos to get a bit form of confidence or just get away from
the 1st 11 scenario or something.
But you very often were not ableto bring in a light for like
play. There was no you know, if you
were dropping a ball, an openingbowler, a scene bowler or
something, there might not have been a scene bowler.
You know what you're having to bring a batter in or another
wicket keeper or something. Just you know, whoever, whoever

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happened to be the guy informingon in that recent recent couple
of weeks. So I think selection committees
as well in the past probably were a lot more disconnected
from the players and the teams and, and, and probably just
because of the communication side of things.
Now you know, it's easier, isn'tit?
You just, you know, you've got alot of WhatsApp groups or you,

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you've seen people more often, you know, I've dare say practise
is far more well attended than it was back in our day.
And, and again, there's sorts ofopportunities to have that chat
and that those conversations with few and far between.
So, but yeah, it was hilarious some of the scenarios that went
on, how A-Team got picked. Yeah, and it would be funny to

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get, you know, and we've probably talked about it years
ago on the podcast, but when we had the second team Woodpile
club, these ticket in turns are dropping out and Stan christened
it the Woodpile and you know that we would end up with
because we went to third team. So you didn't even play then?
But when all the Rugrats were coming through, that's right, it
was literally we needed two people in the team who could

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drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's outrageous. I mean, Gav going back to to
those days, obviously it's so much better now the the
conversation side and the world has changed.
Gary's right. It's not necessarily just about
the the the players ability or the commitment, but you'll have

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seen that quite a bit. You know, you were a well
established second team player. Getting the first team was a
real achievement for you and youplayed a lot of first team
games. How do you you know?
What's your views on how much it's changed since you played?
It was, I think there's just a lot more structure these days,
isn't there? You know what I mean?
And whether that's whether that's what Dan was talking
about, you know, communication in the team or, you know, and

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trying to get out in front of things, you know, issues before
they before they snowball out ofcontrol.
It's just a structure. I mean, you know, even not
necessarily just selection, but you know, training and things
like that. And I would imagine, right,
you're not working on scenarios or certain aspects of your game.
Bloody album. When we used to do half the time
we couldn't be arsed. He used to sit on his back, you

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know what I mean? And you know who fancies a bat
and stuff like that. It just seems a lot more
structured these days, which obviously dumps out better
players or there's more, you know, there's better players
around and obviously we've seen the, you know, the the benefits
of that and the results of that at weekend.
But just, you know, it's just not and dare compared to, you
know, back when we played into it, really the support and the

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and the structure there. It's it's.
You can't even compare it really.
And I think it's fair to say, you know, this is lower house
podcast. A lot of other clubs you can see
now whether it's because there'stwo divisions, whether
everything's stepping up the facilities, the ground, you
know, the training. There's a lot of other clubs
that are looking good and there's some good competitive

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cricket. So let's move on to the cricket.
Do chief, I can bring you in. I'd like your, you know, brief
summary of the game yesterday before I go in on to the players
and ask them how it went becauseit was a slightly confusing.
The weather forecast was clearlynot not right from the day or
two before. So it did get all a bit up in

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the air. How did you see Duke?
Yeah, they were obviously expecting rain, weren't they?
And that's why they, that I can only presume, that's why they,
they, you know, completely fucking lost where I'm going.
Here they put us in. They put us in, yeah, they
won't, they won't do that normally, would they, given the

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fact that, given the fact that we obviously have got such a a
strong opinion on batting first.I thought whilst our innings did
stutter a little bit, I thought the I thought the end result was
always a good score on a wicket that was clearly offering a

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little bit of help. And then obviously the rain at
the interval would have only made that sort of a little bit
more spicy. And just looked like a really,
really strong second-half performance from us.
Didn't look like we really put afoot wrong.
Ben made a very good bowling change early on to get Orky on
and from that point onwards we it was pretty much one way

(20:17):
traffic wasn't it? Yeah, and it it did, you know,
half time or, or probably 3/4 through our innings, you know,
I'm thinking the pitch still is OK.
It's doing a little bit. The 8 field's still all right.
There's some runs there whilst they're not as strong as us and
if we get 121 decent score from the opposition can can take the

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game away from you. Johnny, what was you know, so
there you've been asked to bat, you and Ben have opened again,
you're 48 partnership. How did the pitch play early on
and what sort of pressure did you feel yourself under?
Yeah. I mean, it was obviously very
green and very soft and I'm probably not always the best

(21:02):
person to ask when it comes to wickets to seven playing for the
20 years I saw that. I have a bloody clue, but I knew
it was going to do, you know, a little bit it did.
It did stay particularly law andwasn't quite going on to the
bat. But again, what is probably
important to point out, it was atraditional Warhouse wicket.
So I think you know, when it when you sort of see them balls

(21:23):
full or in your area, you sort of just need to remember to
follow through with your shot and you will get value for runs.
And Ben, Ben clearly did that from the off.
You know, he set off like a train similar to how he did with
Saturday and you know, again, put us into a really good
position. Personally, I struggled to get
going. I think there's a couple of
factors there, probably probablymainly just the fact it was the

(21:46):
third game on the bounce. But I think, you know, we, we
started off as we needed to and then just unfortunately I was
the 1st to go pretty early on and then it was a little bit of
a collapse in the middle. I think Dan can probably shed
some light as well. You know, he had some, you know,
he had some time out there, the crease and got out sort of on

(22:08):
the drive at short cover, which suggests, you know, the ball
isn't coming onto the bat. So we knew there was going to be
challenge. But I think the important thing
to remember with the style of the style, what we're trying to
do as a batting team and the type of hitting, the style of
play we're wanting to to do. I think we just need to remember
that we, you know, we give it some welly regardless of whether

(22:31):
the ball is is there or is thereor not.
So, you know, I think. Yeah, and it's No Fear, Johnny,
like you know, you've said before and you know he's
believing in yourself. That's interesting.
You've said that the wicket was,you use the word soft, maybe
relatively soft download and you've proved for years on club

(22:52):
wickets it seemed to be OK. There was nothing flying around.
How did you find the track? You know, after the rain we'd
had. Yeah, I'll it was an interesting
one because the reason of it being so interesting, I think
the last time I had a wicket like this was back when I was at
Wriston verse Colne away. It was a wicket of two halves
one night end was dry, one end was wet.

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So basically the way it played, it didn't play too dissimilar.
But we always knew that the the wet ends are hitting towards the
park end was early. We weren't sure what it was
going to do and it and it did sort of kiss on a little bit
because it still had a a bit of wet.
It was still a bit wet so the guys could throw their hands
through it. But then when brands come on as

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their pro slow left armour, it was always going to be a little
bit tricky with it getting stuckin the mud a little bit.
And then the other end was sort of that dry.
It was more holding up from the dry.
So yeah, it was, it was, it was interesting, but it's still.
It was trying to leave. It was trying to leave put soft
on top. Yeah.
So, so I think so I think from that, from that point of view,

(23:58):
we weren't yeah, too sure how itwas going to go and it was OK.
And yeah, where we got to. I think like we said, it was a
number that we thought was enough.
But again, I think twice in a year just you get caught out on
the wrong side of it. And This is why I think it was
such a brave, powerful performance and probably one of
the best ones I've been involvedin is that we're on the wrong
side of it. So once that ball got wet, as

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soon as the, the wicket got a bit more drizzle on it and
actually I believe didn't favourus.
And then, you know, the the IT was absolutely soaking out there
and I can as a performance from Tom, how he led the group.
Couldn't be more proud of of theway he went about it.
He went head to head with the pro who has scored the most runs

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looks really the real deal and and and he just and he and that
set the tone. So then a Charlie Cotton, you
know, from someone of you feel like you got to wake him up
sometimes has just come in like a bull to a rag when he sensed
that Tom was doing that. And then I think we all fed off
that and then obviously polls everywhere.

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And then we thought, you know, let's not just participate in
this game. Let's go and dominate this game.
And and you can sense that within the group.
So it made every one of us sort of step up and go to another
level, even though I believe having the wet ball and it was
flying on, you know, we showed alot of character.
And I said that in the rooms after it that this was truly a
performance that might not see greatness because it's it's

(25:25):
conditioned overcast and you expect to be.
But we definitely got the wrong side of it and couldn't have
been happier for the guys. Yeah, that is, I mean, it's a
really like you said, a significant game in the season.
It's it's something that that comes, you know, you get your 3
hundreds and odds and Johnny or Ben or yourself got a tonne or
someone get 6 for those games. And, and for the for the

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listeners, what Dan's explainingbeing the wrong side of the, the
natural factors is, you know, batting second, even with
Duckworth Lewis, the way the pitchers play now, the way the,
the, the, the cricketers are, itis a big advantage.
But in second, Douglas Lewis does even it up a bit.
So the fact that they decided toback second, which is brave,

(26:08):
like Johnny said, but that's in their favour.
You know, the bowling conditionsare noticed down that, you know,
Paddy Orton had a great decision, you know, as Duke
said, to bring Okie on and I wasconcerned that you or Paddy
would struggle to get to get on and to get to get a grip of the
ball at all, you know, to let itgo.

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Was that a concern and you thinking I can't even try it?
Yeah, that was a conversation that we had in the in the
halfway point. I think the discussion was
around get the ball in Paddy's hands straight away.
Whilst it's new, it's hard, the balls not wet and then it was a
reflex reaction as soon as we went off for rain again.
It was a bit of a conversation, you know, and again, you can

(26:49):
sense with Hawkey sometimes and,and what a credit to him the way
he's carried himself this weekend.
And just, it gives me tingles because he can, you know, with
Hawkey, if he, you know, I played with him for one year,
but I played against him for many years.
If he can, if he senses a moment, you just want the ball
in his hand. And, and that's how it felt.
It was on the back of him with Tom.

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And I'm sure, you know, Johnny felt that as well, that it was,
we knew we're in a contest here.And I know the opposition didn't
want to be a part of that. So, yeah, but that's why they
took Hawkey after the rain. And then it got to a point
where, you know, Ben just sort of said to me, I think we need
to get you in the game even though, you know, and, and
again, I've played in bowled with the wet ball for probably

(27:31):
for 10 years. So it wasn't like I was worried
about it, but I wanted to get that ball off the straight.
So we made a great decision by nagging the umpire about 350
times to then get a ball change and take a wicket next ball.
So I'm sure, yeah, Haslingdon, we're really pleased with that.
And we we got caught everything under the sun.
So we're proud of that from a lower house perspective.
Yeah, I, I didn't see that goingon.

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And I wonder, I was, I was goingto address it on here.
It was out of shape, was it? It was wet and yeah, it was way
out of shape. It was way out of shape, I think
it was. Massive.
I think it's, I think like at the end of the day, I was
talking to one of their batters at the time.
It's part of the game, you know,it's part of the game to be able
to like, at the end of the day, I want to dry ball every ball.

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And I knew, look, it was probably only going to be for a
few balls. I could have a dry ball, but I
felt like if I got that opportunity, something could
happen. And yeah, fortunate enough that
that very next ball, but it was due almost to change anyway,
because it was it was it was swelling up at the quarter
seams. It wasn't actual the the the
same. It was the quarter seams that
was swelling and opening. So it was merit within it

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because at the end of the day, the umpires made that decision
and looked at it and factored itin.
So it was definitely getting closer and we nagged enough and
yeah, been through a wet ball back and I actually was, I was
actually told to finish the overand I continued to dry the ball,
probably as a typical whinging Aussie kept drying the ball,
drying the ball. And he said just give me the

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ball now, I'll just change it now.
And sure enough it was caught inboth next ball.
So brilliant. Fantastic and it is that you
know it's part of the game. We've all been you know on the
other end of it during during games.
You know that that is that is the way the way it goes.
I did get the odd feeling it'd be interesting how Johnny and
and Dan feel about this. I'm not a negative person, but I

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did think even when brand was out, you know Gryphon, a good
player and the score. I think the the total have gone
down to maybe 120 or something and they're still only 60 but in
that sort of game and I'll neverforget and I know it gets more
in this, but when Caple proud for us.
Sometimes someone going in and just taking a risk of just for
two overs just trying to get 20 on their own.

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Whoever it is can swing the gamearound.
Did it doesn't happen much in inamateur cricket, but is that
something you thought could havehappened or were you really
confident Johnny between you as a team where there was Tom's
bowling. Did you think someone might come
in and get a quick 2025 and dragit back?
I mean, would you answer this question correctly?

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You know, the big risk was obviously was obviously Browns.
You know, he came in, he looks the part.
We know what he's capable of based it's that year today.
He was always the biggie and Tomwas always the ball that we
backed the most in that particular scenario to to do
something to make a change. And I guess he was the real

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risk. But let's not take away Fergie.
I mean, you know, Matt Gryphon, I think he's, I think he's a
great player. You know, it's not many, there's
not many opening batters that come in and can just punch Tom
Walker through the covers like he did yesterday on a weekend
like that. But then he's for Stormer.
So I think that was the partnership that we needed to

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break. And Tom did that brilliantly.
You know, he, he, he, he put up a fight.
He got into, he got into Bran's ears and got in his face and he
brawls to it. He bit and the ball after his
his middle stumps car Wheeling. So, and I think that and I
think, you know, to finish off the point, Jen, I think that

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what that did is he put an enormous amount of pressure on
the on the dressing room in thatdugout, because what was then on
the shoulders of those guys coming in was a lot against our
all attacks. It wasn't just Tom there, then
not to, then not to worry about,you know, taking away the
conditions. Yeah, Yeah, it is.
And it really it's easier said than done, but it's something I

(31:33):
like talking about. And it you know, we when when T
well, he went in T 20s, but still A50 over cricket.
And they used to be the they call them the pinch hitters.
And we we talk between me and Gary and we'd think have we got
a pinch hitter that we could go in and and we'd send the odd one
in and then they got Chris, Chris and the pinch misser
because whoever it was just couldn't get a bat on it at all.

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Matt, we need Matt to go in at 4.
You know, he'd go in and 1212 balls and he's got 2 and then
he's out and it is, you know, and I agree with you both that
you know, it was always there. The conditions, you know, the
natural conditions have favouredthem.
But then once that rain starts and they're losing wickets,
they're going to struggle to come back from that.

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And great work covering the pitch.
Did the pitch get any wetter because of the rain or did you?
You seem to do a sterling job between you all.
When every time when we managed to come back out the final sort
of chapter, shall I say. They, they, yeah, they need
quite a bit in seven overs. I think it was.

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It was 53, yeah. And, and there was a couple of
full tosses that were were thrown down and they clipped it
on the legs down to the bottom boundary.
You could just see as the ball rolling down this water was just
yeah, following the trail, just.Had a rooster tape out of it,
didn't. It Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's funny how like when
you, when you look at that and the situation and you mentioned

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it before, I was fielding at point and this is how I know.
So when I'm fielding at points and it's a wet ball, the wickets
got a little bit wet and it's kissing on, I know it at point I
can't move a foot either side, the ball will fly past me either
side. And when that happened and Griff
played a couple of beautiful drives of Tom, I knew the 1:20 I
was like this, this is going to be tough work.

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Whereas the general consensus says is the conditions are going
to favour us. But once that ball's wet, it's
like playing on a, it's like a marble on bloody, you know, on a
flat track. So it was then the guys to be
able to wrestle that control andbe relentless and ruthless as a
bowling unit, those two. So then when it was an
opportunity for me to follow, itwas them under serious pressure.

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So there was no, I was coming inwhen they were under the cost.
So that's why I think you know it from my end.
It felt like I knew the task at hand.
But those boys really set that tone that it was like, I can't
come on here and miss even if I've got a wet ball.
So I just think it was one of them, mate, where we were just
in a position of, you know, strength and, and we weren't
going to let it up because it's it's it's pretty rare as well.

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What I've seen all the all of mytime.
I had this with a bit of successat another club, but we had a
relentless bowling attack. You get one's out the attack
because he's just going to be, you know, we're going to hold
him back for three. Then the next one's coming on
and it's like you, you as a, as an opposition, you're thinking
there's, there's no let up here.Yeah, yeah, and that's why, you
know, in it doesn't matter what what standard of cricket when

(34:30):
people talk about the mental side of cricket is, it's that,
you know, for me, the sport which is so significant when
you're on a roll, whether it's two or three overs or two or
three wins, the mental side is so difficult to get over and and
you're right. So I don't think they were ever
going to be in it. So great win lads.
You've you've kept the the the spot at the top of the the

(34:51):
league tables. Following that that win against
Hasling, then let's move on to the T20, yeah?
Yeah, just before we do, I think.
Yeah, go on, Gary. I think it's worth mentioning we
were 106 for eight and for like 910.
Jack joined the Brothers Grimm afew weeks back, got 7080 order,

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whatever it was to get us over the line in the game.
And and this time they've put A50, they've put 50 on, which in
a rain affected game. If they'd have been chasing 120
then down to 80 or something, that's well, totally in their in
their neck of the woods, isn't it?
But that extra 50 runs there at the end and nobody batters

(35:35):
always out. And in the past that's been
criminal, but not these days. If you're scoring at sort of
four or fives and over. I think that bothers enough
time, but when that rain came the score. 100%.
Yeah, it didn't come down to theextent to.
Gary. Yeah, yeah, you can.
It's, it's, you can see both me and John are animated with your

(35:56):
comments, said Gary. And I'll, I'll dive a little bit
deeper into that just quickly before you move on.
But that's been a really common theme and the discussion of us
driving where we want to get to.So the conversation is always
around for us. We are a team, but it doesn't
matter where and when. We're out to set bigger totals
and we aren't settling for a 150or 160.
The only way we get 160 is if weget bowled out with a dozen

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overs left. And that's the difference
between the Rams bottom game where we dwindled our way
through, we played safe cricket and it still wasn't enough.
And we had a really good healthyconversation around that.
And This is why the belief in sits and instil with a Joe
Martin, Patty, a Hawky, Toxie, you go, you name all those guys
through there. We want to give them overs.

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We don't want to say to our the top guys, we soak up the top
overs guys. And then you know, when we have
to go with eights, you can get eights, but you've only got 8
overs to do that as well. So we've really set this
precedent as a group. And you can only do this when
you've got a really strong group.
Otherwise, if you were in a poorer team, you'd have to go
and bat your overs and your top heavy guys have to bat those
overs for you. But we, we sit there and, and we

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look at it, anyone through our top all the way through down to
the, to Joe, if he's batting at 11 for us, if we are ahead of
the run rate and if we have a climbing run rate, those guys
can do it however they wish fromthere on in.
So when we get bowled out for 160 and we got a dozen overs
left, we're not slapping ourselves because the stolen
brand of cricket we're trying toplay is always setting up to
have two 50s. And if the day doesn't happen

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and we get bowled out with 12 overs left, we're 160.
So that's, that's, that's on theback of just a belief within,
within the group. And I think that's why Johnny
was probably not in his head as well because we've we've had
many conversations around this and we're so confident within
our walls of each other. If we cop in some flats or not
bat net overs, we're playing a brand cricket that we want to

(37:42):
win the league. That and and you mentioning that
on here down it's it's music to my ears and listeners, you know
will will go away, you know, thinking the game has changed
because it used to be criminal. You know if you did, my dad used
to go mental if we if we'd lost 5 overs and don't matter that,
you know, you're only hundred hundred for three and but you've

(38:03):
lost these overs and he and you're right you know the
quality down there you know the way Johnny again, sorry Joe
Hawke was batting. You look like you're batting on
a different track. You know, when he gets in that
mindset and John Paddy, when they can get themselves together
it I mean, it's probably interesting.
Now I can throw this in now we've we've asked the spectators

(38:23):
if, if anyone knows where Joe Martin is and someone's just
sent a message in. He's looking for the umpire that
gave him out. He's he's trying to find out
where he lives. I mean, I don't know what
happened there. Can't believe it's the only time
he's been animated. Yeah, it was.
I've never seen that before. And so someone's asking, is he,
is he going off stalk in the umpire?
Someone else's sent a message insaying he's a Portuguese

(38:46):
restaurant in Manchester. I mean Portuguese.
With the umpire Jazz. With the umpire, yeah, yeah, get
it into. So yeah, 100% that you bring
that up Gary, it is so important.
And once we got, you know, we were all saying 15160 and then
whilst the, you know, the last three or four batters were

(39:07):
looking so comfortable, I'm thinking they're going to
squeeze 200 here. Again, they're going to look and
look comfortable and get to 200 and then they're out of it.
And again, also down the mental side of the game, there's
nothing worse than a bowling side who were very vocal and,
you know, and they're really up for the game.
To get the, the stuffing knockedout of them in that last two or

(39:27):
three wickets, it's mentally a difficult, you know, game then
to bring it on. So great performance.
Gav, you were there on Friday night.
What was the atmosphere like? Plenty there.
Yeah, yeah, we're good atmosphere around the ground.
I think everyone knew we'd be inBurnley, you know, we've played
them on on a Friday night for a while and yeah, there were,

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there were, there were a lot there, there were plenty of bar,
but also there were plenty stillout and watching the game.
And yeah, it was great just watching Johnny slap him
everywhere, to be honest. Everybody were enjoying that.
Everyone will get stuck in a bitvocal at times and then, you
know, I mean, standing watch thesecond innings from the bar with

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Tony. So I didn't really didn't really
see too much of the second innings.
But the first thing is in particular, we were great to
watch and yeah, really good atmosphere, plenty of old faces
down and yeah, really good atmosphere.
Yeah. Just just just a good night.
Brilliant. Yeah.
And you know, like I said, I I didn't get back till Friday tea

(40:33):
time. So I'm watching a bit of it on
the stream and it looks and it must be great Johnny to play,
you know, you know, obviously it's a big game because it's
Berlin, it's AT20. It's you know, it's it's very
quick. It's very focused on what is
happening there. And then to play in front of the
crowd like that, you've done it for a while now, but it must
give you a buzz every time, certainly when it's Burnley.

(40:55):
Does that help you with your theway you're back?
Don't they? Don't they think about it?
Grab the badge and you've got a pretty passionate at one point.
Yeah, that weren't the crowd though.
That weren't the crowd. I think that's just, I think
that's just, you know, we, we are as a team, what we're trying
to do as a team and things fall into place.
But it's a good question. I'll be honestly, I don't think,

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I don't think I think about it. I try not to because I think
there's some, you know, sometimes it can catch you out.
You know, when you think of games like the World's Cup
final, you know, even bigger crowds, even bigger occasion,
you know, you it can, it can be overwhelming.
So I tried to just sort of put the lid on and zone out a little
bit. But it's obviously always nice
to be able to raise your back tothat many people and entertain

(41:38):
them for a for a short while. But yeah, it was it was a great
night. And I think subconsciously, you
know, you are a cool character. You've got so much ability, but
it's adrenaline. Sometimes it's something that
you're not even noticing that you're going out there and
you're thinking this is looking good.
First ball comes off the middle.Are the pitches playing OK?
They're really, I'm not saying they're not up for it, they're

(42:00):
very much up for it, but you know, they want a couple of
quick wickets in the T20. Did it feel good right from the
start? Did he?
You know, because you were looking great on the stream, you
weren't great. Well, you know he.
Did feel good at the start. No, I mean I got, I got to the
game at like I think it was like6:00 five past six and we were
started at quarter past. So I literally got to change,
got my gear on, come straight back out and have to face had to

(42:22):
face Snowy, who's not the slowest of Ballers.
But but yeah, there was a few. There was a few balls just, you
know, just trying to get myself in the way of what the wiki was
doing because it was doing it, you know, there's a bit of
bounce in there. And you sort of had to, you
know, I can't speak of myself really, but I sort of had to
sort of had to agree a plan of how I'm going to play this track
and what shops I'm, you know, willing to risk because it

(42:44):
certainly weren't, you know, I weren't a wiki where you could
play a a crisp cover drive, put it that way.
But yeah, again, you just got toadapt and come up with a plan,
and I think that's all I've beentrying to do all year, really.
Just just make sure I've got a plan when I go out there and get
some clarity. And yeah, it came off.
Brilliant. So 82 not 859 balls.
You know it summed up that 8 fours, 4 Sixers put you under a

(43:08):
bit more pressure. Now they used all 8 bowlers.
Do you think they had a plan or was it?
Who's next? Yeah, I think it was a case of
that toward Yeah, because they weren't taking, I don't think
they got off to the start. They wanted to, you know, they
wanted more early. They wanted more wickets early
on than they than they got. And I think with with, I mean,
Tom Lawson's their T20 captain. And I think, you know, it's you

(43:31):
can't have a plant, you're a special ball in T20 because of
the fact that there's only four overs in a spell and he was too
busy trying to work out. OK.
And who am I going to have at the end of, you know, those last
sort of 5-6 overs of the innings?
So I maybe put it down to that. But again, you know, we the
likes of me and haven't Reid managed to get a decent
partnership that sort of put thepressure back on them and had to

(43:53):
get them thinking. I think that's another thing
that S is trying to get us to do.
Let's make them that's met them,met the opposition, not just
Berlin, the opposition change. Let's get them thinking rather
than what we're doing. No, we stay pretty consistent.
We do what we do. But let's let's put pressure on
the other side. Yeah, that's what's working.
Once you've got them down, it's keeping them down into it like
you've said, you know, and this is again, great cricket, which

(44:15):
is not, it's not just by good luck, you know, the fact that
you and Henry have put 70 on, you know, in in probably in no
time. And Henry's, you know, I'm not
saying only Henry's got 18 of them, but it's it's almost a run
of all. So that's a plan that get you
off track. Yeah, it is.
It really is, because nothing worse than being stuck at the

(44:36):
other end and then you get out because you're not getting
strike at any stage. Did you fear that there was a
problem of them getting the runs, Johnny, in that in that
second innings? I know they they were never up
with the the rear, but when hockey was in and and then he's
got out and Barretts there, it'sa big ass for them.

(44:57):
Yeah, and, and, and the wicket weren't great and I think the
ball was like what we've got, you know, you've got to be,
you've got to have someone like a betters who's going to carry
his back. You know, you've really got to
try and try and, you know, replicate sort of innings that I
play, carry the bat through. You're only going to win a game
chasing 150 in that sort of scenario.
Through doing that, I don't think you're going to be able to
get a quick 30 and do 1, you know what I mean?

(45:19):
I think it needed that anchoring.
There's only one one panic, wasn't there, John?
There's only one person who saidsomething to you at one stage.
You want to enlighten us for what the score was at that time?
Can you remember when it was? I think Paddy Martin might have
mentioned to you the. Skipper.
Oh my God, Paddy. Yeah, Paddy is a skipper.
Yeah, yeah, he come up to me, I said.

(45:40):
Well, tell everyone, let's throwit by the way.
Yeah, so we had, we had them, wehad them.
This is, this is literally word for word gospel as well.
We had them six that one and then he did 50 and over and he
said to me, I'm nervous because Baz had come in and got a couple
of sixes in and over. But I think, I think I think

(46:02):
just to go on that too, like, again, this is like the funny
side, but the serious side is togo.
Now we're in a team of full composure and control.
But obviously Patty had to take the reins of captain and put
himself into that pressure situation.
And maybe in years to go gone by, this is a common field that
people have. And it's like when Patty and Joe

(46:23):
go out there to bat, honestly, Ican tell you they could need 70.
And I believe, I genuinely believe they're going to get it.
And they did that day against Wolves.
And it's so much easier now watching a game of cricket when
you're when I can't impact the game anymore, knowing that where
we're at as a group and what we believe.
Because in that moment, Johnny just laughed back at him.
But in past years, maybe Johnny would have said, oh bloody hell,

(46:44):
don't start making me panic. I think we might lose this and
then also when they're out therebatting, we're not on edge
biting our nails walking down. We're actually having stupid
chats and just watching a good game of cricket and watching the
guys go and succeed, which was so proud to watch them do so.
That's why I thought that was just worth adding there because
the times change now where I cantell you right now if we need,
if we need 100 and we're 9 down,I sit there and we think, well,

(47:05):
we'll give it a good shot and we're probably a chance of
getting this and then vice versawhen we can restrict them.
And I think that's important forthe listeners.
I think that's important for listeners, right?
Because I understand it's probably not always the easiest
of things to be able to watch, especially when, you know, we
are struggling. Like for instance, on the
weekend, I think at one point wewere what, 90 for, for six,
maybe something like that. And we're losing wickets in, you

(47:26):
know, quick, quick time. And I think the important thing
is, is that others that others take as a team, you know, I'm
not sat there worried. None of us are sat there worried
because we just got that the belief that we've managed to
because we've seen it, right. We've proven that we can do it.
And it's been a project that's still ongoing over the last 18
months, you know, season and a half.
And you know, we don't have concerns over jaw walking into

(47:48):
battle at #11 with needing 30405060 on the board because we
know that is more than capable of playing the role of a 123 or
4. And that's the reality of it.
So, you know, it's not, it's notan issue.
Yeah, it's not obviously a nice place to be and we'd love to be
100 for none rather than 90 for six.
But the fact of the matter is it's not panic more for us.

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You know, we're not sat there going shit.
We're going to get beat and that's that's important.
I think that's important to point out.
And there comes a there comes a part, doesn't there, Johnny,
where we said as a group, you can't fake it.
You can't be like, yeah, we'll get these.
But then really you're shitting yourself and you think that when
we can't get them, we're no chance.
So I've I've always had these conversations as a group that
you'll sense it and we start to feel it.
We we genuinely now believe it. So that doesn't mean that it's

(48:34):
going to be days where we just because we believe it happens,
but we actually sit there and fulfil each other with
confidence that this is actuallygoing to happen.
So once you get rid of that fakementality of saying, Oh yeah, we
truly believe it, now that's gone.
I'm telling you, that's gone. So whether we do get it or not,
or whether we do bowl them out or not, the, the ultimate belief
within this group is, is purely there.
So it's it's now just about the process for us.

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And going back to when you were on last time down, and I know
this is little bit the talk about the England team and
basketball and everything. You know, I did think when
Barrett came out to whack it Andand when I said earlier about as
Linden, I never thought we're going to get beat.
But it's in my mind and that's because it's ingrained for years
and years. But looking at, you know, Dutch

(49:18):
was a great captain. Me, Gary and Gav played lots and
lots of games and it was doom and gloom when we were looking
like we're going to get beat. It was all doom and gloom and it
was almost the end of the world.You said down on the podcast
previously if it's a game of cricket, so if something
happens, if someone plays a fantastic knock and beats you

(49:39):
and you've done everything you can and you will improve the
mistake, it's only a game of cricket, you know.
So I think you've got that attitude as well, haven't you?
You know, I don't think you get too high, but also
individualism. Individuals who are going
through a bit of rough form might get fed up, but you don't
see him as a team. You you're comfortable in your
own skins and you want to do what you can do when you don't

(50:01):
perform to the best of your ability.
But at the end of the day, you're relaxed about it.
That's the way it seems. He's worked it out, helps.
Spot on, spot on. And and I mean, you brought a
point there before Johnny sayinghe got out the car at 5:00 to
6:00 and went out to open the batting.
Johnny will probably tell you that Johnny of a few years back
would have been flustered. I can't perform today.

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This is not right. I think Johnny's in a space of
clarity now to go, You know what?
Hey, it could be worse. Let's go out and have a hit
tonight. Let's go and try my best, do my
best things and everything doesn't have to be structured
perfectly. And I mean, I've, I've taken Ben
through his OCD son. I've spun him crazy where he's
had to go to go to work and parkin different car parking spots
or he had to walk a lap a different way.

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I've put him that far on edge that now like Ben, when he goes
in certain situations, he's he'she's truly just embracing what
we're talking about. And it's it's to stupid levels.
But Johnny, I know that for a fact that we talk about.
Oh, now this doesn't bother me and it was bothering him to now
go and I'm just at peace with a lot of things about how I go
about it doesn't mean we don't care less.

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It just means we're truly in a better headspace to be able to
perform it at a better level. Yeah, and you, you have
instigated it, but the team mates have gone around and
you're 100%, you know that whether they call it OCD or it's
just a pattern or it's a lucky charm, I always put my left pad
on all that bollocks that's goneon before.
You know, it's something that itdoesn't matter if you do that,

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but don't let it spoil your evening.
Don't let it get you upset so you can't have a pint after
you've you've battered them. I mean, Gav, just come to you.
Did you stop after the game? Was it?
Was it? Did the night go on and on?
On Friday. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that have sampled a few we Tony Woodworth and Matt

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Stansfield and ET al. Yeah, it were the electric neon,
I think it were. Yeah.
It was a really good atmosphere.The club ice were full and yeah,
everyone stayed down. There were plenty outside.
There were plenty in dance floorwere full.
Yeah, you know, bar were busy. Yeah, really, really, really

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good atmosphere. Really good night.
It's good Gav, because of, you know, it helps when you win, but
it would be like that or very similar, you know, if we hadn't
have won and it brings revenue into the club, family involved.
And I've heard a whisper that the DJ on the night really
pushed, you know, pushed the night along and really brought

(52:30):
it out of, of. Yeah, well, it's funny you
should say that. You know, when I was laughing
with Matt Stansfield, I couldn'treally put my finger on this to,
you know, I thought I'm really enjoying this stuff.
It just just seems a better atmosphere around the ground and
things like that, just a little bit more slicker.
And then it just, the penny dropped, you know, I just the
DJ, it was a DJ, you know, we finally had a decent DJ, you

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know, weren't late on playing music, played at the right time,
didn't overplay, you know, didn't play his, didn't play his
mum's records, you know, things like that.
It were yeah, we're good. Did a good job.
Yeah, a few people are saying that, you know, they're sick of
hearing Joe Bernard Duchi or, orevery song.
And so they were playing some quality songs.

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Who was it, Duke? Because you did shout out for
someone to come and do it. Who did the DJ well?
I'll tell you, I'll tell you it wasn't jazz.
Hello. Hello.
Useless. Language.
Somebody actually said to me, you know, when when he refused
to do it, somebody came up to methe week after and said I'm glad
he refused because when he puts his iPhone on in Clubhouse, he's

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only got 6 songs. And so he were actually, he were
actually Matt. Matt did it.
Oh, brilliant. And did he, did he?
Have you heard any whispers, Dukes, that he did well?
From himself, yeah, he said. He said he were very happy with
his own performance. But South Prez is no Prez.
And he said he's a lot of admirers around his DJ booth.

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Yeah, I've heard that before, actually, yeah.
Yeah, I like going back 30 years.
So like, I've got a cricket. Question.
I mean, sorry to end this nonsense, but I've got a cricket
question. Well.
For the two lads, this time lastyear we were in like the biggest
purple patch of run scoring thatI've ever seen.
June last year we had scores of three, 25380, 296297269.

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We seem like every week we were,we were absolutely sort of
paggering teams. Do you think that the the
difference this year is slowly down to the weather or is there
any anything else that you couldthat you could sort of put your
finger on? Are we perhaps not just firing
as a unit or or is it purely alldown to the weather?

(54:51):
If if you, if you look at the stats, if you look at the stats
in more detail, I think you'll find that actually we've
probably battered first, far less so we've chased.
I think that's this year. Yeah.
So that's my first. That's my first part of the
answer. Revised targets.

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I'm sure to really think of anything else, to be honest.
So there is much that's changed.I'll throw a little bit in
there. I think there's unfortunately a
little bit of disruption for myself not being able to play
most weeks as well, which is giving us deputies and outside
that as well. I think it can cause a little
bit of shift within our within our structure and our setup and

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how we play. Ben and Johnny do.
Ben and Johnny, they'll do that every week.
That's how they play. That's how they embrace it.
Tom shuffled around a little bitto cater for, say, a pro batting
at 5:00. We're going to four.
And yeah, there's been a little bit of movement through there.
And I think I think ultimately as well, the big one is we were
we were rocking up, we were batting first every week.
And definitely the conditions that have just evolved over the

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last month definitely have a shift and change within that.
But this is the this is where the two scenarios that I'll give
you Dutch is where we're talkingabout.
We were really, really disappointed as a group with our
batting performance against the Rams bottom, which ended up the
same total as as again against the Haslingdon.
But we set ourselves up for that250 against has LinkedIn and it
didn't come across that day. But we're always on right,

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Whereas we probably had a game there where that's not the way
we want to play, even though we ended up with the same number.
So we're we're always in check with that.
We're always striving to hit those totals and oh, I think
they are around the corner. But also the competition
probably, you know, in match upsat different times as well when
we played games has been probably tougher, tougher

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cricket this year. I'd say Johnny, like I feel like
it hasn't been really, you know,the let offs haven't been there
and I don't feel bad to say it, but against the Middleton,
obviously the boys have gone outand chased the low total and
and, and and got it in 10 overs or whatever it is.
East lengths were gone out and the boys have got it in a dozen
overs, you know. So these numbers there that were

(57:05):
showing we're tracking and progressing on that right to get
the three hundreds. And that's what we still want to
do and we we will do. But I think that's just a yeah,
that's a matter of time in our, in our, in our response.
And I actually see it as a real positive because because you
look where we are in the league,look at, look at our record and,

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and it doesn't feel like we fired, you know, particularly
consistently anyway. And I think to me it points to
the fact that we're probably a bit more of a rounded side this
year. And we, we, we can, we've got
more ways of winning games of cricket.
Whereas maybe last year it felt as though if we didn't get a
massive score, then we might be up against it a little bit.

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Whereas this year it just feel like, you know, we have got, we
have got maybe more tools at ourdisposal.
That's how it feels to me, anyway.
Yeah, and, and that's, and that's absolutely prevalent.
We've said it from the outset when we had this mission,
mission, let's go out there and and really feature.
We said it that it was going to take a full squad.
Not even the 11 that are there on the day, you know, the likes
of when a blaze chipped in and come in against Norton.

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And then the the days when, you know, Frankie steps up and plays
because someone's missing a game.
We're we're he's going to. Be on here, in there with the
bat. Yeah, yeah.
So we're we're simply just, we simply know within our core
group that it's so nice. And I sit there on the weekend
and, and absolutely filthy with myself.
I've I've checked one which is just just filthy with myself.

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But these are so nice to see other just the other guys just
getting to work, getting to business, just another day of
cricket together. We were trying to be on the same
track to go and win a game and and just the sheer
competitiveness that's coming out of everyone and the pure
enjoyment of seeing one of your mates do well.
That's so important. And I'm got I know Gav Gaz Jazz,

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I'm do to put you all in it. When you played in your time,
was there times where it was like, okay, I've done well
today, so I'm looking forward tohaving a beer.
But remember those really good days where your mates done well
and you're having a beer with them and it and it gives you a
sort of goosebumps because you're so proud of what they
have done and what they have wonthat game for the club and made
your made your night better and probably made you next week

(59:14):
better. And, and we talk about that a
lot that, you know, when it's not your time, really enjoy each
other's success because you know, it's a long, it's a long
year. It's, it's so many failures in
between. So if we can get each other's
enjoyment, then we're enjoying each other's success every week
rather than just waiting for your own I'll.
Tell you what Dan, we could you'll certainly forgot to stand

(59:36):
on or or you know a few of the other older ones.
That is a great, a great paragraph because you're 100%
right. We, we and I include myself in
that. And I think Gary was that era.
Joe and Gav might be different. You're sometimes wishing someone
didn't do well because you knew you were going to get dropped
because he was a mate to the captain or you'd had a really

(59:57):
shit runner. You remember that Gary, you
know, it was a real, it was almost a competition within the
team, you know, and we're looking back, we thought that
was healthy and it was. It's bollocks.
It causes more problems than it's ever going to solve when
you listen to Dan. Saying that, yeah, right, you've
had two ducks on a Friday and a Saturday.
You just enjoy the fact that Ben's got a tonne because on

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Sunday you might get. Well, that's an interesting
topic that. Yeah, every time, Jess, like I
alluded to it earlier about the about selection and and things
like that wasn't always 100% merit best.
Sometimes it was forced, sometimes it was questionable at
best. And I think just to sort of get

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back to the previous conversation of comparing with
with last year, think and check not watch him a lot in the
flesh. But I think it's real good that
we that Henry's getting those those chances at the top of the
order consistently because that's a long term thing.
You know, that's experience and exposure and he's not scoring
the way to runs that probably Frankie did through, you know,

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that period you were talking about there, Joe.
I don't know. I am look to the starts.
I might be wrong, but as a team we're still performing, we're
still winning in various fashions like you said, and we
were able to do that, not win itat all costs, but still have
that eye on how do we bring those younger players through

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and learn that that that success.
Learn how to play, learn off theexperienced players.
So batting on bowling, you know,Gansler, he's bold sometimes,
not bold sometimes he's come on and taking a couple of key
wickets, you know, and that's asgood as A5 for, A7 for and
winning, winning 12 points, you know where you just get in that

(01:01:44):
pro out of that key key amateur.So I think all round, whilst it
might not be as as exciting if people just go on to see Sixers
flying out of the ground and we score 350 plus, I think all
round would be better for these this type of period where
everybody's contributing consistently.

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And obviously the clarity aroundthe messaging around the team
sounds to be, you know, unequivocable.
Nobody can be in two minds what what the mission is and what,
what their roles are by the signs of it.
So, you know, everything's linedup for for these players to, to
just go and do what they what they're capable of doing.
Yeah. And Adam's just sent me a

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message there about, you know, yeah, they were great watching
the the runs last year and, you know, some fantastic just
batting sides out the game. This year's been a lot more
entertaining as a as a spectator, whether you're
independent or whether you're you know, to watch Tom Walker,
all some of them bombs and you'll be really in, you know,
whether we bowl first or bowl second.

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You know, it's exciting. It's you know, like GC, you
know, you're not even gaff came out to bar to watch watch a few
of us and you know hockey, the way hockey's bowling this year.
You know, you get Toxie's Toxie's fantastic and does what
he does. We know what Dan can do.
But you know, with Paddy's, you know, the way that they've got
that that that teamwork going with Paddy Tyne and end up early

(01:03:10):
on and they can't score and Tom bowling, bowling like he does.
It's really entertaining cricket, but I love the stats.
Do you know? I do think it's something that
that's another reason why cricket is such a great sport.
Saturday, Wolves done away quarter final of the cup.

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We won the toss and decided to field.
Was that Dan, just were you overthere?
Yeah, yeah. Was that just down to the
conditions? Yeah.
So sorry. Yeah, Yeah.
So we basically made a decision there, that's with the
conditions around, the tie fell favourably for us.
They did have a couple of important outs.

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So with the weather around, we wanted to try and make some
really early inroads. Obviously with Tom firing in
Hawkey, doing what his Hawkey's doing.
So we really made a key objective to try and make
inroads, get a game done. We had a, we had a pretty
ruthless mentality that day thatwe're here to, we're here to
just get, get in there and get ajob done as fierce as it has to
be. And that's, that's ultimately

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how it went out from the from the outset, you know, from the
bowling, the way that started. So then how we finished the
innings off from a bowling group.
So then how Johnny and spend just went out and said, here's a
here's, here's, here's a statement.
So that's as clear as as simple as the project was.
Yeah, and and I know they had a weakened, a slightly weakened
side, but in the cup with the weather knocking about, you

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don't want to be hanging around at six O clock and you've still
got to try and get 20 overs in and then if you don't, you're
going back. I know there's new rules now for
the for the reduced, for the runrate, but you know that is a
professional performance. This is the weather, we can't do
anything about the weather. So we're going to change the
game by by absolutely attacking them from the start.

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So a fantastic, fantastic performance. 3 wickets from for
Okean and Tom and three for yourself.
Down 3IN in five balls. Yeah, I had AI had a big return
that day was a big spell. I was yeah, quite happy to
obviously under That's just that's just on the back of the

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the good work that the boys justdid.
And you know, as soon as we got Joe GAIL there and that, that
pretty much said that how quick can we wrap this up and get off
and, and let let our big boys atthe top go and do what they've
been doing all the time. Yeah, do what they're doing.
You got 14, Johnny? You feeling good out there with
Ben? Ben, you know, again, I was

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aware, so I didn't see. Apparently they looked in.
Yeah, yeah. He just, he just took, he just
took it to him to be honest, JoeGale in particular.
I didn't really need to do much else to be honest with you.
I just tried to keep the scoreboard ticking over.
He was taking it into his own hands, taking matters into his
own hands really. And I just unfortunately got a
bit of a top edge against the pro.

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And that was that was bye, bye to me.
But yeah, Ben, Ben was, I think Ben was over double while I were
on by the time I got out. It was it was his show on
Saturday. You know, we were conscious of
the rain and and all that doublenonsense.
So again, just a case of let's go out and get this over with,
you know the message and then was get this all as soon as

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possible. Yeah, just get it to just get
into the the hat for the for thedraw for the semi.
I'm going to talk about the the the the draw and how that's
that's panned out from from Sunday.
I've got a few stats down here around the seconds.
Duke, have you anything in frontof you just to talk about the
seconds after we talked about there was the cup draw.

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Go on. I actually went down on Saturday
and watched them for a bit, so I'd just like to, I'd just like
to talk about the twos for. A little.
On Saturday, you know, I mean, Joe will be able to sort of fill
in, you know, selection wise. But when I got down there on on
Saturday for a couple of hours, I was, you know, walking around
laughing. It looked as though we had a few

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out. You know, obviously Biffles out
injured. Sure Cat wasn't playing.
If else Keegan. Keegan didn't play.
They looked more experienced side, let's say, and I was led,
you know, then I was informed that, you know, they're second
and give one the struggle did the 2nd 11.
But the brilliant thing was, andThis is why I wanted to really
sort of mention it. We've all played in games,

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especially when we're young lads, you know.
I mean, I know we're on a reallygood run at the moment in the
league, but obviously, you know,they took the medicine last year
and they went down. Been playing good cricket this
season. But they're playing in the
quarter final, which is a big game against a good side from
the division above and they werebatting first and it wasn't
going to plan. But the brilliant thing was

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obviously, you know, the opening, the opening bowl of
Biffle out, you know, Shortcut who takes wickets at that level.
You know, when he takes wickets in 15, you know, and Keegan who
turns his arm over. The atmosphere and the noise
that was generated from them young lads, it were brilliant.
You know, they deserve a lot of credit.
Now you can look at the scorecard and obviously 224
players, 89 and that's a thumping.

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So I think, you know, you've gotto look at the context in that
game. You know, you had lads like, you
know, great, great lads. You know, Robbo come in throwing
himself around field, you know, on boundary.
Yanis exactly the same. They were they didn't go quiet,
They didn't have not one of themwhen when they got a wicket,
walking around thinking, you know, and everyone was saying
no, we need a wicket, we need a wicket.

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They got one. Everyone's, everyone's in right.
Come on. The attitude was absolutely spot
on. So I didn't see us bat, but
obviously I've seen the scorecard and we fell well
short. But I just wanted to him the
compliment really that their attitude was was spot on.
When it's not easy and it's not going for you, it's easy to hide
and not one of them did. Especially when you've got young

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lads in that team and or Simi's not particularly young Dan SIM.
But you know, you know, Simi comes on a difficult time
bowling from the park and you know, and shoulders back, you
know, let's have you. That's what you want.
That's the attitude you want young Jacks Edwards, you know,
young lad against him, probably,probably, you know, the best
side is bowled against. Sure, he had a bit to bite him,

(01:09:09):
you know, a bit of bollocks about him.
Again, really good signs and it were a tough day for him, but
fair play to him. They stuck at it and then they
go out on Sunday, you know, and absolutely Wallaby slangs, you
know, I know they've got 270. You know, they've got 270 odd
will 90 odd in depth 56. So yeah, I just wanted to I just

(01:09:31):
wanted to, you know, just just talk about him a little bit and
give him the props because whilst it was a bit of a
thumping, there were there were positives to take.
And I hope that they realised that after the game and I hope
they spoke about that. Yeah, I'm, I'm sure they will.
I was just going to bring up thefact that they've banks back so
well. I know it's a different a

(01:09:52):
different standard of side, but everything's positive with the
seconds, You know, the feeding from the firsts.
They have got some good young players there and as alluded to
earlier, will 92 off 8080 balls or 56, you know, some big
partnerships in that 2272. So you know, good lads, you
know, keep it going. They've Do you know anything

(01:10:15):
about Jack Sims Run out? Was that, you know, was it
because he's too slow? I didn't see, I didn't see us
back. Unfortunately, I only saw us in
the field. But what's better?
A good story with truth. Yeah.
Yeah, it was. Really.
Slow. Yeah, well, definitely because
of it. Thanks, Gavin.
I appreciate that. It's really, it's good to hear

(01:10:38):
around the second team and and keep them going.
They are young kids. Let's hope they get you know,
they do get the promotion they deserve.
They're way out in front though,aren't they?
In the in the league to like 1712 points in front of 2nd and
no 22 points in front of second and one nine out of nine league

(01:10:58):
game so big shaped out to the twos.
We were trying to get a couple on tonight the last minute, but
thankfully Dan and Johnny came to the rescue.
So let's move on to the Worsley Cup semi final draw.
It's all over the website so we'll know.
So lower house have been drawn against Burnley at home and Rami
and Greenmount have been drawn against each other and you've

(01:11:22):
been in the league a long time down.
You know the the standards of noeasy, easy ties.
But I'm guessing we would have liked to avoid Burnley in the
semi. I know we've thumped them three
times this year, but what's yourthoughts on that?
Is is that my old negative attitude?
That's your old negative attitude right there.
Now I know that the you know, wehad this conversation within the

(01:11:43):
group and you know, none more passionate than probably Hawkey
on this one. This is who I want.
This is where I want him. I want him in this game.
I want him in our place. So, you know, everyone says, you
know, a Burnley lower house final at lower house is the is
obviously the number one. But I think just just from the
feel and the guys, I think one, it's another game of cricket

(01:12:05):
against, against a good opposition that's really handed
it to to to our boys over the years.
So I know that we're thriving and driving to to have any
opportunity because it's a big game.
And and you know, the boys that have been there a long time, I
know how much it means to them. But for us as a group, we just
we just want the biggest games as soon as possible.
So if we do go well in that one and we can get one more than the

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next one's just as big. So it's, yeah, it's a, it's a
true level of belief within the group of who we want, when we
want. So I think we're just excited
more than anything. And yeah, it's a game of
cricket. We've had it over them.
But I can absolutely assure you and promise you that it's, it's
not going to be any complacency.It's going to be absolute job at
hand, task at hand, to do everything we can to get to get

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our club into another final. Yeah, and it's 100%, you know,
that is the attitude which is isso welcoming to see.
And that's why we, you know, we're getting so many people
watching, certainly lower house,but all, you know, the clubs
around the league, you know, it is a top league now with the the
way that the the games are played and you know, there are
no dummies. Green Mountain in in the second

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division. They're they're at the top.
You know, Rammy are doing OK. They've got some great players.
They're in the First Division, you know, Burnley a second from
from bottom. So you know, moving that on.
It's it'll be a good weekend. Let's all the weather's good and
we can get get quite a few down there to to to enjoy it before

(01:13:36):
I'm going to have nothing else to talk about regarding the
cricket. So have a little think
yourselves as to what you want to, you know, if there's
anything else you want to bring up.
I've just got, I've dropped, I've dropped a monumental
bollock this evening when we weren't sure about having this
podcast. Tonight we're moving it around a
little bit because Joe Martin's not available.

(01:13:57):
So between myself and Joe Martin, we decided to ask Paul
Stanley to come on. So Paul Stanley, I mean he's
such a character, you know, he'sdaft as a brush and he said oh
I'm not so sure, I'm not. Clearly Sharon didn't want him
to go on it at home, she wanted to watch whatever.
So he said I'll I'll go down theclub and I'll go in the West End
room with Joe Martin and I'll record with there with him if I

(01:14:19):
can get out of the house. Turns out Joe Martin, I didn't
know them, wasn't available. So thankfully he got you 2 guys
on and we're running it without him.
But I forgot to tell Stanley that we didn't need him.
But I just add to that that the real reason behind why he's not
on here is because I've had to play assistant manager for about

(01:14:41):
a month now and I've become his full time carer.
So he's losing the plot. No word of a lie.
He's on the middle of Wilson on his hands and knees looking in
his bag for his glasses. He's pulled it out at Penrith.
He's got 1 lens someone said someone said have a drink after
the game and fill your boots. So he started pouring his drink
in his boot. So he's he's absolutely lost the

(01:15:02):
plot. But I think that's more to it.
This is this is not going to help them for this weekend, Dan,
because he sent a message. Where are you, you toss pot.
I've nipped down the club about 20 minutes ago.
Joan wasn't there. I was going to save your ratings
because they're going through this, going through the floor.

(01:15:23):
You know what it's like when they used to bring Dirty Den
back into EastEnders. He's now had to walk home, so
he'll properly be soaking down. You might get have to get his
Zimmer frame out for a room. Don't.
Tell me about it. What a character, what a
character he is. So I'll go around Gav, I'll come
to you first, and then I'll cometo Dutch and Gaz, see if you've

(01:15:46):
got anything to add. Then we'll finish off with a
guest before we finish. No, nothing else to add from me,
Jess, just been a really good episode and good insight from
Johnny and Dan. Yeah, really enjoyable.
Definitely, and it is, you know,we sometimes miss this.
I don't want to keep getting thesame people on or, you know,
took us through it. But it's amazing how many, you

(01:16:08):
know, how many of our proper fans who've been there for
years. I never knew that happened.
That was so good listening aboutthat.
So yeah, I really appreciate you. 2 coming on.
So that's fantastic. Duke, anything from you?
Big games keep coming out there.Clitheroe this weekend for the
first team, another big game. I think they're just second.
Are they in the league? Yeah.

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Is that a way? That's a way into.
Away. Yeah, on Sunday, yeah, yeah.
So the big games keep coming. Yeah, tough side over there.
So, yeah. So good luck with that.
Gary, anything from yourself before we move on?
Nothing more for me. Thanks, Jess.
Brilliant. Thanks very much Johnny, really

(01:16:50):
appreciate you coming on. You're always good company.
It's good to have a good crack with you.
Anything you want to add about cricket or about anything else
in life? The.
Only one at this stage. I'll leave you in peace.
Just like Joe Martin, Dan, really enjoy listening to you.
You've got a really good outlookon not just on cricket, but the

(01:17:11):
way you're, you know, your mannerisms and the way you, you
play the game and the way you chat to people.
You're such a, a likeable, you know, welcoming chat.
Your family sit there, watch youwatch the kids run around.
It's fantastic. So thanks ever so much for
coming on. Is there anything you want to
add before we we finish the episode?
Yeah, no, I just want to say that, yeah, I appreciate

(01:17:33):
everything the club's doing for us.
And you mentioned my family and we're having an absolute blast
down at lower house. And I know you're all looking
for a bit of a punch line. And, and, and mine is if you're
looking for something Dan's lovesick because the way that
this group has embraced everything we're trying to do,
the genuine care we have for each other.
I yeah, we've, we've all, we're all in love.

(01:17:53):
And it's a, it's a really nice feeling.
So I think we need to keep that going.
But we've, we've got each other's back.
And yeah, who would have thoughtthat blokes sounded about
another blokes that we love sick.
So we just, we're just thriving with each other and in looking
forward to the weekends. So that's all.
Brilliant it were a different type of love stick when managed
used to play though that were different then when Stanley were

(01:18:16):
Stanley were involved. So really enjoyed that episode
lads. Thanks very much.
We've gone on nearly an hour andoff, but I'm sure he a lot of
the people will enjoy listening.So thanks very much.
Please support our sponsors, come down to the games and and
you know, I'm sure there'll be some big arrangements for the
Burnley games. Get yourself down, sponsor,

(01:18:36):
attend to whatever else and and enjoy the cricket.
So thanks everyone for listening.
Wonderful. Thanks guys.
Good evening. Yes, thank.
You. Yes, thanks.
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Johnny.
Bye. Bye.

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