August 21, 2025 • 60 mins
This week we dive into the slip-up at Ramsbottom, where House decided to keep the league alive just that little bit longer (you’re welcome, neutrals).
We also discuss the real reason behind delaying the title party — nothing to do with cricketing drama, everything to do with ensuring the big celebration happens on a Bank Holiday weekend at home.
After all, what better way to keep the bar busy, the tills ringing, and MD’s coffers happily overflowing? Think of it as strategic planning, Lowerhouse style.
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Oh, nice. Where are you, Jess?
Hey, I know you're in the van, but where are you?
Melton, Marlborough. Oh.
Very nice. Have you had a pie?
I haven't. No, not yet.
Oh, well, is Lisa sat across from you?
Yeah, I'm here. What we'll talk about tonight,
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Lisa. Oh, I'll pile on.
Hey, Duke. Hello.
Hi, Joe. All right, now we're both doing.
Yeah, good, great. Being Melton Mowbray still jazz,
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have you moved on or? Oh yeah, no, we're still here.
We're coming back. Thursday tea, Thursday.
Sorry. Thursday morning.
Thursday lunch. And have you had any pork pies?
No, we haven't yet. You've had some chilli for tea
first. Thing I asked is
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Holden Holden send more house tosave the house?
So welcome to the House cast everybody.
We're submit an impromptu on a Tuesday night after the game at
Rami On Sunday. So I've got myself obviously,
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because I'm talking Joe Martin, Joey at home.
I enjoy you all right? I'm in my second home all.
Right. That's good.
That's good. You look a touch windswept.
I've just been training. Do you not have a brook?
A bit I'm I'm sweating more thanwindswept Jess but it's not
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quite cold now. But there's a couple of games on
at the club so they must be free.
It's really cold. Good net, good training.
Yeah, yeah. Good fun, Good fun, good.
Always good. It just went a bit dark at the
end. Blasts were whacking, whacking
cricket balls at me. That's the one I couldn't see.
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Oh, that's what I'm telling anyway.
Did you catch them all? I.
Caught some of them. Good.
Which is a fair achievement. Yeah, yeah, it is certainly in
the dark. And we've got Duke going to go
into Duke about Sunday's game asa as a spectator because you
were the only one there, dude. You OK with that?
Yeah, great, Jess. Yeah, all good.
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Good. And then and also Force 11 and
obviously we'll go through the seconds and the thirds as to
what's what's occurred there. As I said, a bit of a last
minute impromptu on this, we were definitely going to record
this week, but we find tonight were the best night.
Gav was only available Monday and Tuesday and then said I
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don't think I can contribute to get great deal because Saturday
I were out shopping and Sunday Iwill walk in my dog.
I told him to come on because he's always good fun even if
he's if he's not watched it, butit don't look like he's turning
up. Gary's got some jobs at home
around moving house so he might join us but he might not.
But I'm sure those three can make a good go of it.
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Once again, some good feedback around the house cast.
It's worth telling the spectators we are already
planning some winter podcasts. Looking at some, you know, some
really old guests. There's a couple of, I don't
mean old in age, I just mean, you know, go back a few years
for Laura's. Look at it, you know there's a
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couple of pros we've not had on so make a few emails and
Facebook requests if we get themon.
We've also got a couple of characters and some ex players.
Ted Whittle has has said he wants to come on but I think
that'll be a win to on a dark winter night in front of a fire.
So we are going to keep looking at keep going through the winter
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and we're obviously now the season's coming to a close.
We'll continue to do one a week and it's coming to quite a
crescendo. Joe Martin, what's your thoughts
on the Obviously we're about going to the game on Sunday,
which sounded a fantastic game. What's your your view as a
player and looking towards the Roxdale game and and the the
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last the last few games of the season?
Yeah, it's potentially a very exciting few weeks for the for
the club. All teams are doing extremely
well, you know, all the senior teams and, and something we
don't mention a lot to some of the junior teams are in cup
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finals and going for league titles and stuff.
So it's it's potentially a successful, a successful year
and it's just a few weeks left. So hopefully we can we can
finish off properly. And I think this weekend, if
I've worked it out right, I think I've got it six or seven
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points. If we get 6 or 7 points on
Sunday against Rochdale at home,it doesn't matter what Clitheroe
or Littleborough or Darwin to a further extent can do.
Is that how you've got it, dude?Yeah, we need, we need 7 more
than Clitheroe and Littleborough.
No, no, we need 7. Full stop.
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Yeah. Yeah, 7.
Full stop. Yeah, yeah, because we're 42 in
front now and we need to be 49 ahead of next weekend's games.
Yeah, yeah. So I'm sure the vast majority of
people who listen, the bonus point system in in my view and
I'm feeling is outstanding the way that you can get points as a
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losing side batting our ball in second.
But how exciting would it be if we tied the game on Sunday in
Clitheroe and Little? We've got 12 points each we'd
pip it by 1 already. What price you get for that from
honest John? But yeah, it's it's quite
exciting. So I think let's talk through
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the the Rams bottom game on Sunday.
Dude, we we battered second and seemed like, yeah, I was
watching it from afar. So it'd be interesting to see
your view on it. I thought we were really down
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and out and we're going to struggle to do it.
Frankie's a fantastic player. But what's your view on how the
certainly our innings went, you know, and then we'll go back and
we'll talk about their innings. How did you see that go?
You were there watching it throughout.
Oh. I'm glad you asked her about the
end of the innings first, because that's obviously the bit
that sticks freshest in my mind,and that was one of the points I
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want to make about about how theinning sort of developed and
what the general feeling was around the ground.
I've just been looking at the card now just to see the exact
position that we're in. When we lost our 8th wicket, we
still needed a hundred runs. 8 down.
Now what? What as an occurrence one in 100
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would you say? Would you get home from there?
2IN100I mean. If you, you know, start
throughout, throughout the league forever, at least I think
so. I think more than two in 100,
you know, I think you're probably right near A1 in 100
when you think about the line upand also Dutch, I think it's
worth mentioning you probably were going to go on to it.
It wasn't as if there were stacks of overs left.
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I mean, the run rate obviously increased as we got towards the
end, but there wasn't it wasn't dire the situation.
It wasn't it wasn't like the thewalls and game earlier on in the
season when Joe and Paddy got usall and that where the run rate
was really small. I think it was around the five
mark throughout the vast majority of that of that period.
But but what, what I was going to say is, even though we're in
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such a dire position, the general feeling amongst the lore
house fans and there was a lot of lore house fans that Rami a
lot. And I was walking around pretty
much constantly through nerves, I guess.
But the, the vast majority of the feeling and most of the vast
majority of our house fans were we, we still bang in this game.
We are still right in this game.And as long as if Frankie and
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Paddy can just back for another 40 minutes, we'll, we'll, you
know, we, we will be in with a sniff.
And that was also the vibe that I got from the Rami fielders,
you know, from, from sort of from listening.
And I just thought that's, it's a remarkable sort of testament
to, to what we've done this yearthat it looked if you, if you'd
never watched Law House before, you would say we were dead.
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We were dead in Barry at that stage.
But the Law House fans and the Rami players, I, it felt like to
me were aware that they were still banging the game.
And as that's how it turned out that we very, very nearly got
home. There was 1 spectator who said
that he didn't think we had a sniff.
A spectator or a player? A.
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Spectator. He's infamously pessimistic.
I mean, we don't even need to, we don't even need to say his
name. But I walked past him just after
the game finished and he said, well, I didn't think we had a
chance. But he was the only one out of
everybody I spoke to who who thought that, that we didn't.
We weren't really in with a sniff.
Everybody else pretty much was saying, you know, we can still
do this. We are not favourites by any
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stretch, but we can still we canstill get home from here.
Yeah, we are. We have discussed previously
about batting down to the Martinbrothers at 10:00 and 11:00, you
know, of having big rooms previously.
But that's got you surprised me there.
The Rami player, the Rami fielders, there was a, there was
an atmosphere that they knew it wasn't, you know, it wasn't done
yet, which is is worth an extra player.
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Sometimes when you think of, youknow, silly with the pro they've
got and the quality can put, youknow, and then and the other
amateurs, you know, they've got some good players.
Yeah. They should have killed us
there. They should have really killed
us. But all credit to to Patty and
and and Frankie for, you know, for getting us as close as we
did. We did we leave.
It's a little bit too late, Duke.
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Just a controversial question. Yeah.
Look, I think if you're going tobe alter critical then then
maybe you could say that, but I,I don't, I don't think that's
fair really. You know, we're 88 down with
only joy to come and no offence to Joy, you know, he's not going
to score at 10 and over. So I think Paddy and Francois
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had decided that if we were going to win that game, it would
be on them to to to do, you know, the vast majority of it.
And me and Blair were chatting would what were they going to
target from the last five overs?Could they leave themselves 50
off the last five and would thatgive us a chance?
Well, they didn't leave themselves about that.
But then inside that last five overs, they were trying that
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they were, you know, they were they were really, really trying
to get the power shots. But but the fielding, the young
fielding like JJ bold a tight a tight spell.
And there was just a couple of attempts, sort of big hits that
they just didn't connect with. And in the in the three overs to
go was a quiet over from memory,a penultimate over.
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They didn't get a couple of boundaries, but by that stage
they needed fifteens. And then in the last over,
Frankie really got hold of the hold of the ladder who bowled
from the from the from the football ground end.
But no, I don't, I don't think they left it too late.
I think they were trying to takethe game as deep as possible and
unfortunately they just, they just didn't quite get over the
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line. But what I also wanted to talk
about was sounding too soppy. And this probably is going to
sound a bit soppy. When I was walking off after the
game finished, I didn't, I didn't feel like I wasn't
guttered. I wasn't disappointed.
I wasn't, you know, annoyed thatwe'd lost.
I thought, what what Effort from13 for three to get 5 batting
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points to almost pull off one ofthe greatest escapes that we've
probably ever seen. You know, in the league
campaign, you're not. Teams don't win every week.
There's no way they win all the games.
So what can you do when you don't win and that was as good
as you could possibly get. It will keep the momentum going.
No, no, no loss of momentum froma performance like that.
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And the team just showed what what they're all about for me.
And again, I know Joe Martin, I want you to come in and I'm
going to take you back to the start of it.
The, you know, that they won thetoss and battered.
But on that point sheets, it's like we've been talking about
it. So, you know, call it what you
want, enjoyable cricket, the players enjoy it, the spectators
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enjoy that. You know, we've we've still got
the five points again, that is, you know, the benefit of the
system that's in place. It's entertaining to watch.
You know, I'd like to think the players, albeit a little bit
disappointed they didn't get theextra 5 points, have enjoyed it
and it's a view you've alluded to there.
And whilst you know we've only got 1 professional, they are
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there to entertain. Those lads are playing to
entertain people who were payingto come on and watch and and I
don't think anyone looking at that could say they've gone away
and not been entertained. So now it's a great point that
douche Joe. So they won the toss, decided to
bat at a fantastic start, 2 goodplayers, their partner and
fielding great players. Did did did did our bowling go
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to plan? Did they get away to too quickly
and we did we miss any chances in that 150 partnership?
Not, not really. I think if you, if you speak to
if you speak to Ben and in fact the majority of the team, we
didn't actually get a lot, wouldn't get a lot wrong.
They battered really well on a good pitch and it always starts
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a good pitcher, Rammy, if you win the tossing bat, you've
always got a good chance. So I think in that, in that in
that first period we we bowled, we bowled pretty well.
Yeah. There were some, there were some
4 balls and and whatnot, but people kept plugging away and
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Ben kept changing the ball in totry and try and make something
happen and we did actually kind of slow them down a little bit.
I think at one point they were looking towards 300 maybe maybe
even more than, maybe even more than that.
So I think from where they were to get them to 245 was a was a
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pretty good effort actually. We just dropped one catch.
Yeah, yeah, I think we dropped one catch.
I, I also had a had a half chance I think of, of Francois
stood up. So yeah, we dropped one catch
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and but it didn't really cost that much in the end, probably
15 or so. And I could see working outlook.
Just look at the scorecards as the game's going on.
The potentially could have got 300.
I think you know, the way they started some of the batting, you
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know, the some of the, you know,the batters that that can that
can come after part, part and field in pushing 300 and then
it's a big score. I know it's a big ground.
The pitch is a really good pitch, but does maybe
deteriorate a touch as the day goes on.
So I think you know what you're alluding to there, Joe, is that
we did a great job to keep it under 250 and no other real
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scores after the two openers, the 150 partnership there.
I think it's worth the mention Tommy York, Robinson and ex Law
House so that decided to move toleave us and go and play at play
at Ramsbottom to get more first in cricket.
Great youngster at the club Joe Martin.
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No animosity there. He battered well and gets his
runner ball, 27, played well. Yeah, definitely.
I think, yeah, definitely no animosity at all.
Is a is a really nice, nice lad,good lad.
I like him a lot. But yeah, no, I think it was his
partnership with Brad Fielding was quite important actually.
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I think it probably took them from getting 2323235 to pushing
up to close to 250. And I think that probably when
we went into those last four or five overs, we had a little bit
of momentum. We bought really well.
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And I think that small partnership where they hit some,
some sixes and some boundaries probably just took the momentum
in their favour a little bit. So yeah, no, I think they played
really well. 44 off you know in no time really in the towards
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the end so I suppose it has swung it around a little bit
after you know we've got the proand cat and that there were hit.
Keeper is a good player so it's swung it back in their favour a
little bit. Your brother again. 3 wickets.
Jord Paddy ball well. Yeah, yeah, I think he bowled
really well. Yeah, Paddy ball well, again,
not easy. Wasn't turning a great deal.
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I think actually Paddy's naturalpace on that wicket maybe
nullified the turn a little bit.When you bowled slower it was
harder to hit but probably took away that wicket taking
potential. So I think when he came back on
re second spell I think he got his pace, got his pace right and
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adjusted to the wicket and bowled well and bowled well in
that second spell. He did bowl well in the first
one. It was a little bit unlucky.
I think whilst there were no chances that went down, there
was, you know, potential to take, to take wickets and they
just didn't quite just didn't quite fall.
Yeah, and another three wickets room and and, you know, down to
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for 55. You know, it's all tidy bowling
there. And as you said, Ben kept
swapping it around quite a bit going into bat.
John, don't give any secrets to whether you don't want to give
away you you had a plan for thatpro.
Did you talk about that as a batting unit?
Von Berg's Bowl. You know he's an experienced
player. There wasn't, there wasn't
really a plan for the for, you know, targeting particular
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bowlers or anything like that. It was the thing that we've done
all year where, where we've got to be positive.
I think I mean when you as as Joe said, we were 13 for three
and even though we were 13 for three and maybe five years ago,
six or seven years ago, when youget to 13 for three, you kind of
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send something like me and to try and you know, eat up a few
overs and then try and get a little bit closer later in the
innings. But they kept they kept birdie
you up the bowl in them and bowlso well.
The World Cup final the week before, they kept they kept
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going at him and kept attacking him, hitting him hitting for
quite a few sixes. And this figures they were
probably pull the opposite to tothe World Cup final relative to
to that in England and Dan and Tom Walker and then Francois and
and really, really put pressure on him and.
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Yeah, Joe, Joe Martin, I'm just going to say if we, you know,
the start that we had, it'd be interesting just to talk about
the start. Dude, you were there for it, you
know 2 openers didn't you know 6:00 and 4:00 and then and then
Henry gets say. What were your take early on?
Before we talk about that, I just need to say I was aware of
a plan for us, for a bowler, andI wasn't even playing.
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Yeah, well, I was as well, but I'm just trying to give a
holistic view of the innings. Yeah, I think you're trying to
be too secretive there, Joe Martin.
They said I don't want to. You don't have to give a plan
away. So I wasn't doing.
I was given a general answer to a general question.
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But we always have plans. We've always got thoughts and
discussed the opposition bowlers.
So your thoughts early on? Ben's out at LBW and then Johnny
gets out. You know what?
We don't panic anymore at Laurice.
We just, we, we, we have belief.What was your view?
And you know, in those first 5 or 10 overs when we're 13 for
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three. Well, look, I'm not going to lie
and say I'm still brimming with confidence at that point because
because obviously you're not Danand Tom Walker at a partnership
that gets us back into the game,which we desperately needed at
that stage. But before obviously before
that, you, you sort of you, you are feeling the worst a little
bit after, after Ben and Johnny and Henry.
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Ben and Johnny particularly, who've scored so many runs this
year, are both back in the shed without many on the board.
But Dan and Tom Walker played a little a little gem of a
partnership there and we're going great when when Tom was
when Tom was at LBW. But look, the batters keep
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coming. Frankie at six ex professional
Gansler, Cotton toxic Paddy, youknow, Joe back literally back
all the way down. I do think we missed Hawk in the
first innings. You know, I think he's he's a
crucial part of our bowling lineup.
And unfortunately, you know, he wasn't available on on Sunday.
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Teams have got to you've got to court with that.
And I thought Ben shuffled his bowlers very, very well.
Yeah, back to your question. You know, when we're 13 for
three was I was I, how did I feel?
Not not great, obviously. Yeah.
And then, as you said, Tom and Dan pull it round.
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Not at a spectacular rate, but they're going well enough.
The way that's, you know, that partnership developed and then
you know, they've put 50 on. Frankie comes in and he starts
quite slowly with with batting with Dan.
What she thoughts there. Joe Martini, you know, the run
rate was, and I know what you'resaying, dude, she was it never
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really got above 5, but it was getting close to five on a where
the wiki's not improving and whilst we've got quality
batters, you know, the the run rate keeps needs to be kept
maintained. What was the the thoughts in the
dressing room then Joe, you know, with you've got Gansler
and Charlie Cottam and Tops still confident.
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Well, yeah, I think so. I mean, one of the things that
Paul Stanley said was that if ifFrancois was there at the end,
we'll be in with a chance. That was, and that was when Dan,
that was when Dan, Tom Walker and and Ganzler were out.
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So, you know, Charlie Cotton, Toxic Adi and me left.
So Francois is an unbelievable cricketer still.
He's still remarkable when he when he bats.
He completely understands how topace an innings.
He knows he plays spin fantastically well and what an
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asset to have coming in at #6 tosort of Marshall a game when
wickets are falling. It's not easy.
Bowlers are bowling well. Antoine battered exceptionally
well, unbelievably well. I don't.
Remember him trying too many reverse sweeps on Sundays?
Or do you remember seeing any? No, no, I think they were.
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No, not really. I think they might have been
one, maybe maybe not even that. No, I think he, you know, he's
always been great assessing situations in a game.
And I think he was doing that onon Sunday to keep us keep us in
with a shout at all at every point.
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So he he battered, he batted magnificently well and then so
did Pat. When, when, when he came in, he
batted, he batted extremely wellagain.
And, you know, coming in at #10 I, I can't really think of
probably a better #10 that's ever.
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With ever in every world just goback to to CC Gansley, Charlie
Cotton and toxic. Did any of them actually, you
know did they get in? I know it's 9 off 1115 off 23,
four off 15. Did they get in with Frankie?
Did the? I think Charlie Cotton, I think
Charlie Cotton, Charlie Gansley hit a big six and was caught and
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then the following over was caught trying to hit the trying
to hit the pro. I think Toxie was.
I think Toxie was stumped in theend.
Yeah, he was. Yeah.
Possibly wasn't as fluent as he he has been, but it wasn't easy
at that .2 spinners on turning quiet quite a bit and he tried
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to he tried to move the game forward again, which is what you
want to do. But CC Cotton did he battered.
He battered extremely well when he when he came in and it was it
was really lucky. It was really unlucky when he
was out with a new bowler on andit was, it was one of, it was a
like a long hop, that kind of edge to be caught.
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And it was one of those balls where if that's third ball of
the over, he hits that for six. First ball of a new bowler.
Probably surprising isn't it? So yeah, but Charlie did get
going and battered well. It's a brilliant pull shot
through sort of wide mid wicket if that's a position.
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And again, bit of a possibly a prickly subject, John Martin,
but will we can have a discussion, You know, Charlie
Gansler going for that 6 after he's already hit the 60 over
before. Is that something that is
encouraged? You know, I've got my own views
which I will express. What's you, what's your feelings
and what's feelings of the players?
So we we back him, we back him to do it.
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And the reason the reason for itis you can be he's out there
taking a positive option to try and change something that the
bowl is doing, whether that changed his pace, changed his
line or even they take him off or whatever he would.
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He could equally be out, you know, prodding, you know,
defending, prodding the ball andedging it to slip or being out
LBW or chipping one to extra cover.
And very, very keen on him taking, taking that positive
option to try and try and move the game on.
I agree with you but my point would be that Charlie has that
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licence to play because of you and Paddy and the way that we've
got a 10 and 11. If it was me, Paul Stansfield
and Johnny Russell at 1911 then he might have to have a
different option as to we're going to be bowled out to you
with five overs left so. I think, Jess, I've never
thought of it like that. Well, that's a great point.
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It's something I try and get across to people, you know, who
wins and moan around the ground when I'm there that you know,
and he wouldn't play like that if he didn't have the 1st that
he's got. And, and if he comes off twice
the season, you know, he came off in the world the Cup final,
you know, last year. And if you, you know, it doesn't
matter, he comes off it, it takes the game away from them
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and we still bat in depth and westill got a chance to get in
there. You know, it's almost like 2
back to the cherry. So you know, I have big belief
in the way that you play, the big belief in what Dan's doing
with the lads, what you've got, the plays that you've got in the
batting positions that you've got.
So in the dressing room, Joe, you've got your pads on.
Are you OK? We're passing up and down at
this stage. You don't move from one
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position, no. I don't move from so I actually
know Jess. I'm an avid.
I'm an avid Walker. I think I only did the think
I've only done one lap on on Sunday and then I just sat with
the, I sat with the team, which is a very rare, rare occurrence.
No, I was very nervous. I always am a bit nervous when
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you when you're getting ready tobat and then those nerves kind
of go away when you go out there.
I think, which is no, I mean when, when Francois and when
Francois and Patron and the batting so well, my kind of
thought changed to, OK, I'm not trying to lengthen this game
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anymore. I'm trying to get points.
So how, how am I going to get usto within 50?
So if I have to go in now, how we're going to get to needing
50, how we're going to get to needing 40, rather than going to
kind of like disaster sessions when, you know, we were when we
still needed hundreds, you know,when Paddy went in, as Joe said.
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So yeah, I, I was, I was nervousand obviously you don't want to
be, you want to get as close as possible.
But yeah, yeah, that was what I was thinking at the time.
And the need, as you've, as I think Duke said earlier, you
know, 246 for 8:00, needing 99, you know, with fall 3, sure.
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So, you know, it's an outstanding effort.
And I've, you know, as I was, asI said, I was watching it and I
don't know what your thoughts were, douche.
When it gets down to the last two or three hours.
And as long as, you know, Paddy can hit a big ball as well.
But if Frankie's still there andPaddy gets out, you know, Joe's
intelligent enough to get Frankie on that strike.
And you just need those big sixes.
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You need that 20 off one over inthe last 6.
You know it can be game over. Did you, you know, you would not
concerned about Joe Martin coming in, obviously Dukes, but
were you at any stage thinking we need to, you know, we need to
do this a bit sooner so it's there's not more pressure on Joe
or what you're comfortable with it?
I know that's a similar questionto earlier.
What I'm alluding to is you werecomfortable with Joe Martin
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coming in at 11 as well. Yeah, like I said earlier, I'm
not going to pretend that I would have backed your to be to
be here smacking them back on. The back and.
What have you? I've had him play in the, you
know, the get off strike role toget one of the other lads back
on. That's that's what, that's what
I've been expecting of Joe. Yeah.
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And there was two. There was 2 bits of fielding in
the last two overs from the Ramilads that probably swore the
game in their favour. And the penultimate over Tommy
Robinson made a diving stop putting down in front of the tea
room. That saved 2.
I think Paddy hit that one and it was going for four.
We looked at 4:00 and all and Tom's like full length dive and
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dragged it back in and they onlygot 2.
And then in the next door of Frankie Zip, one up to the
boundary in front of the river and JJ Fieldings pulled off an
absolute world and they only got1.
So that's what, 3 five runs saved there.
That didn't look like we're going to get anywhere near.
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Which is fantastic in a game, you know, where there's, there's
nearly 500 runs scored, there's 345 great performances by
different individuals. But it just shows what cricket
can do. Just you know, a change, you
know in the fielding, a fantastic effort will catch
great stumping. It can change it also.
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Can I ask you a question of? Course, of course.
And I don't really like talking about the opposition too much,
but we've seen Rammy twice now, we've played them twice, we've
obviously followed the Cup finaland they've won the Walesley
Cup. Why?
Why is it do you? Why do you think there's lower
down in the table is what they are.
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I honestly don't really know.
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I think they've got probably oneof the strongest batting line
UPS in the league, I think. I think it's probably only
second two hours. Yeah, I'd probably agree with
that. You know, you've got similar,
similar opening, opening partnership who scored a lot of
runs, really positive, good pro.And you know, Ben Pearson scores
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a lot of runs batting at three. Harry Kitten, he's a fantastic,
fantastic batter as well. Possibly there he might be
missing one bowler maybe. Bowling.
Depth that might be that might be a thing.
And they've just had some reallyodd results as well.
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I mean, you know, they've scored245 against us, but they've also
been bowled out for 60, you know, in or, you know, or less
than 100. So probably, you know, kind of
automation of those things. They look like quite a young
side as well. I mean, I don't know all the
players, but I know a good thinkof them and they do look like
quite a young side. Maybe they'll be a team to watch
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out for in the next coming seasons.
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think quite a few
people kind of tip them to be, you know, kind of contenders for
the league. And obviously they've won the
Wellesley, won the Wellesley Cup, which is a great
achievement. So, yeah, I, I, I think that I
think that they'll have AI thinkthey'll have a good chance if
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they, if they keep the keep the team together and, and, and, you
know, keep going because they are young or younger than me
anyway. Yes, they are a good side and
let's, you know, let's see what happens.
But again, Dutch, I mean, the other answer for it is it's such
a strong league. I know Middleton has struggled
certainly this last half, you know, we're not still a decent
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side and they're down there. Burnley if down there, you know,
4th, 3rd or 4th from the bottom and Ramia are down there.
It's a strong league. Teams can beat other teams.
And you know, maybe you know, the opening battle of JJ Field
in I think the first year he gotcertainly the second division
got nearly 1000 runs if he did get 1000 runs and maybe he
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hasn't got as many as the anticipated.
But yeah, no, I agree a fantastic side.
Let's let's have a look at the second team because the second
team go marching on playing bakeup at home at weekend on Sunday,
bake up on the toss and battered186 off their allocated overs.
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I'll come to you too just to seeif you got any feedback because
I know neither of you watched the game, if you've got any
feedback from it from anyone. Yanis 21 for one off 7.
Charlie Bissell's got 3 wickets again and and Keegan got 4
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wickets. Looks like a good bowling
performance. 186 and then we've knocked them off at a cancer by
the look at it, you know. Great partnership between Will
Norcross 69 off 85 balls. I'll take Will you know, pushing
up now 600 runs and and again Keegan rounding off a good all
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rank performance for 66 off 46 balls.
Any feedback from either of you 2 from any of their players or
when you went by down the Club I.
Mean to me it was another great performance by the by the second
team. I think that on a day like
Sunday with the weather as it was and the ground at Law House,
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how it was some very, very fast scoring, fast scoring ground.
If you get it past the infield, it'll just run away for, run
away for. So it looks to me like they
bowled extremely well, nice and really tight.
And then just kind of when it comes to, I mean, it's great to
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see, you know, Will and Keegan, that's all.
That's all. Well, again, they've been really
consistent this year and they'vejust sort of kept that going and
they keep putting that the second team in great positions
to keep winning games. And I think they're probably 40
odd clear now of of of third place.
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So I think they've got a real chance of of securing promotion
this weekend. And you know, hopefully they can
carry on and win there in the league too.
Yeah, 130 odd partnership from those two, so well done to to
those two. So you, you, you putting your
neck on the lines or you think that we're going to get promoted
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the second team. Do you?
Yeah. I think do you look at their
league table or is it just the? Is it just the first league
table that you don't look at? I talk to their league table,
the developmental. I just have to say that spoke to
somebody very close to you who also plays in the first team,
and he says he thinks that's nonsense about you're not
looking at a league table. Genuinely true, I'll just tell
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you what you said. Anyway, I spoke to Declan after
after the game and he had just acouple of bits that he wanted to
share with the podcast listeners.
He said that he thought Will andKeegan were superb.
He said that. Isn't it funny how Charlie
Bethel tries much harder when his fan club's watching?
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I don't really know what he's getting at there.
And he said Joel and Jack simmerclowns.
Well, yeah, it probably has a point with a Latin, we can't,
you can't add anything else. That was just what was.
That was what he asked me to to relay, yeah.
Right, interesting, interesting.Let's see what what they come
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back with. So well done 2nd 11.
Fantastic performance. Duke, I believe you were down on
Saturday watching. Was it the 4th?
Yes, yes, I went. Down through that game.
Yeah, I went down to watch the abit of the 4th and a bit of the
footy. Burnley, the football was on in
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the bar, so I watched a bit of that and then and then watched
the 4th. But I quickly sat the footy off
and just concentrate on the cricket.
Marquis was down and Joe was obviously there and one or two
others. And what a what a great game,
fantastic game of cricket to watch.
I know we've mentioned it a few times on here, but but Pinky's
doing a, you know, a remarkable job with that, with that team.
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It's basically Pinky Shabazz andthen a lot of 13 year olds and,
and, and, and they're coming up against, you know, teams who
have got players who are, who are much bigger and much older
in, in a lot of a lot of cases. And in the we bowled first in
the in the first half. We, you know, some of the
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bowlers were getting a bit of tap from from some of the older
lads from from Aki, a few agricultural shots being played,
as you can imagine. And I think it's safe to say
that, you know, some of our lot who watch the force much more
regularly than I do didn't really give us much of a chance
at half time. You know they were.
The feeling was that that Aki had got had got too many.
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And we probably didn't have muchof a chance with such a young
side and how wrong they proved to be.
We chased it down, albeit we were down.
We kicked down. But some, some great
performances in the in the second innings, Logan
Howarthorpe and the batting, he made 47.
Pinky himself looked like he wasstealing his own 46 and and got
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out, you know, really close to the end, leaving the last pair
of Josh Nelson and Hassan Sadakat to get us over the line.
But it was a it was a great, great game.
Won, won it with 9 wickets down and a really, really good
performance. We we should ask Jess, Joe,
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Jess, have you ever won a game of cricket on a noble?
So we so close a tie, Jess scores a tie, they're bowling,
obviously. Yeah.
Goal it. 2 1/2 overs left 2. And a half overs left, not ball.
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And then the umpire no ball, front foot, front foot, no ball.
I think the only no ball in the innings.
And we were nine down and. We went nine down.
Yeah, so we were going to get you would you would.
It's highly likely we were goingto get the score if we were
there. Had to bowl us out and and
there's a no ball being called. No, I don't think that's ever
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happened in any games I've played in.
Remarkable, Really remarkable, we.
Couldn't really believe it couldbe Joe.
No, we. Were staggered really, but all
of the deserve they deserve to win.
They deserve to win. You know, they they sort of
chase that that big score of of 197 in 40 overs, you know, on a
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ground that hadn't been roped inthat much.
You know, the boundaries haven'tbeen dragged in, dragged in
much. I thought it was great.
It was great watch and that chuff that they that they got
all the line. Thank you.
Hitting some beautiful shots over extra cover, really lovely.
But I'm hitting straight as well.
And Logan, Logan Howard batteredbut a brilliantly unlucky not to
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get a, not to get a 50. But yeah, as Joe said,
brilliant. Great to watch.
It was a really good game. There's probably not enough
credit given. I know we talked about Stan and
we talked about the coaches and you know, the really junior
cricket, the likes of Pinky and other people that are, you know,
keeping the third and fourth team not only alive, but people
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are enjoying the cricket, you know, just like they are in the
first and second team. So a big shout out to those
volunteers that are helping out as much as they are.
And you know, I promise, you know, the end is certainly after
maybe this weekend, if things goour way, then we've got a couple
of weekends, weekends of cricketwhere we can have podcasts and
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we can bring these people in. Let's get them into the podcast.
Let's talk about the thirds and the fourths.
Let the parents listen to how well this you know that their
kids have been doing in the games.
Because it's my understanding douche as well that they do get
good crowds on as well, don't they?
Certainly at home. Yeah, plenty there on Saturday.
Plenty there. Yeah, yeah.
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And what those players, and you'll know this better than
anyone, Joe Martin, because of your coaching abilities that you
do, those players will learn so much in games like that that the
coaching can't, can't replace. And you know, and you know, the
experience, the enjoyment withinthe game and having all these
people watching them. So it's, you know, it's as good
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as the first and second team. What's going on down there?
So anything else from cricket? I've just, we've got a couple
more points. I want to go through the house
cast, predictor, point game. And then also a little issue a
few second team is out a week and it might have been Saturday,
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Friday or Saturday. Is there anything else around
cricket from You 2? Tom Walker, Tom.
Walker Yeah, please. Dutch if you just have you got
many details of the actual game?I couldn't find anyone.
I would. Look at no, there's no scorecard
anywhere. But I just, I just messaged him
earlier just to get his bowling figures and he didn't even know
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what they were. So he doesn't even know what his
figures are. But he did say he got 4 wickets
and he thinks he went for about 30.
So, so we'll say 4 for, 30 for for Lancashire seconds against
Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe.
Fantastic. Hey team, does any does these
enough? You know how how they call up
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came about. So for the listeners, TomTom
Walker, you know, great cricketer for us, came and
joined us from Actrington to play in the First Division and
has developed leaps and bounds. Played in Australia a little bit
and has come back got some real piss about him combat.
He seriously come back. Maybe some of the scores this
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year have not shown as much, butwe have seen a thumb down at
Burnley and you know the fantastic fifty the weekend
before last and he gets the callup to lanky seconds, which
really is what I unheard of within not just Lanky League but
at law House. Does either of you to know how
that came about? No.
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All right, we maybe need to findthat out for for the next one
because I get the impression it wasn't.
It's not been planned for weeks and weeks.
So whether there's some injuriesto their squad and obviously
Chris Benbow, our ex amateur whoplayed at Law House for a lot of
years is is is on the staff at Lancs Cricket and looks.
At Danny's as well. Yeah, and Dan's there as well,
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so I'm sure that would have had a.
So what are your views on his selection?
As I've given mine, I think it'squite extraordinary that there
isn't more Lancashire League players.
You know, and obviously James Anderson went on from being 16
year old, he was, you know, he was targeted that he was going
to be a first class cricketer. But there's not many others
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within Lancashire League over decades where there's been a lot
more in other leagues. Any views on that?
Not really. Well look, obviously they don't
Lancashire, the people who who made the decisions at Lancashire
don't see the value in in the Lancashire League the same way
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that we do. And they maybe look elsewhere
because we've had some fantasticplayers in the league.
So you know, we're obviously not.
They're obviously, obviously don't really have their eye on
the Lancashire League. Well, maybe they do now, but
they they certainly didn't. They didn't previously.
Always that. That's the way it seems, anyway.
I'll, you know, I've watched like quite a bit over the last
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three years, but they can't, they cannot say that we've not
well, we've got enough quality, we've got enough junior quality
coming through. They can't say that you know,
the likes of Tom and we can onlytalk about Tom because he's our
player who were in that, you know, that age group of
18/19/2021. You know, this should be given
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more chances in my view. I think they, they look too much
at the at the Liverpool comp andthe the northern leagues and,
and their excuses at times I'm saying there, I don't know who
they are, but some of the excuses I've heard are the
pictures. The pictures are a lot firmer to
near the coast at Saint Ann's and places like that and at
Blackpool. And that's why they don't really
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look in the actually. But I'm sure it's not to make
any difference whatsoever. But let's hope Tom maintains
that role within the 2nd 11 at length for the rest of the
season and and can go on. And you know, who knows who
knows what could happen at in close season?
Just my views. Any anyone else out there who's
got any other senders messages and we'll discuss it.
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Yes. You think that the change in the
league structure might have might have changed the attitude
towards Lancashire League and doyou think that if you're a young
player playing the Second Division that might lead you to
move clubs easier than what it would have done in the past?
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I know you don't really like moving clubs, but do you not do
you not think that that's adds an extra layer of sort of
legitimacy to moving clubs now? I do so the two points you make
there, dude. So you're saying that because
we've now got 2 leagues, you know, I think we, we all accept
that the amateurs are stronger or more organised or more that
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that is better for us to get people to go and play a county.
Is that what you're you're thinking?
Well. Possibly it might just make them
a more attractive proposition toto Blanket and other counties.
Yeah, I agree, a great point. I think it, I think it probably
does, I think, and that whilst it is, it's only in name, There
is no two ways about it being a Premier League now the, the, the
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clubs throughout the country, Premier Leagues are the only one
that real counties look at. So now we are Premier League is
has got to help and, and it might be that they do start
watch or they are already looking at players and, and we
don't see it. As far as your last point goes,
it is it, you know myself and you do played when there was no
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relegations. It was one league and that's
that's the way it was. It is unfortunate the players in
the second division, you know, and we're talking about Tom
Walker. So let you know.
Let's let's use that as an example.
Playing at Accrington didn't look like they were going to get
promoted as he was when he was playing as a sixteen 1718 year
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old. So wanted to move and play in
which is significantly better standard.
That's probably very disappointing for the teams in
the second division to to listento, but the teams in the First
Division, they will attract those sorts of players and
that's life into, you know, that's wild seats.
You can compare it with professional football and we
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aren't professionals, you know, which is a very, very good
amateur standard and people wantto play at the best cricket.
You know, it's a it's a difficult one, dude, what would
you do? You're in lower age, first team
doing really well as a mid 20s and scoring loads and loads of
runs but Laurice are never goingto get promoted and another club
coming for you. What would you have done?
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And I don't think I was, ever. I'm ambitious.
Enough good. Enough or any of those things to
be to be it's. Probably a bad example.
That I think a better example would be someone like Paddy, you
know, who has been, you know, stellar player for a long period
of time. And if he was stuck in the
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second division club, if or if we, you know, if we say we'll go
back 3540 years and Paddy was stuck in a, in a side or Blaze
or, or whatever was stuck in thesecond division side, you know
what? And they were being.
Coveted by other clubs in the top division, but you know, we
might have lost some of. Those players.
Yourself, I know, I know you didget approached by other clubs,
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but you know that I'm sure if we'd have been in a two division
situation like we are now that that would have been a lot more
prevalent and clubs would have been actively coming for you and
Blaz and Stan. We might have, we might have
suffered on the back of that andnow we're the boots on the other
foot and we've perhaps, you know, not as susceptible to it,
but other clubs are. Yeah, and it is.
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It's sad in. Some ways, but it is giving the
the you know, the better playersare going to the clubs that are
more successful, but it's havinga knock on effect down in the in
the second division. I know it's very difficult for
you to comment on It's your you know your thoughts.
You're playing in the middle of the table, second middle of the
second division, law house, you're batting in the top four
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and there's only you getting rooms.
Would you leave law house? Well, I wouldn't I've.
Got no reason to, but I think itdepends what you're what you're
trying to achieve. Yeah, I've only ever thought
about 1 Cricket Club. But for other people it's it's
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slightly different. They want to experience playing
at different levels, playing at different places.
And we've seen that from, you know, with the players in our
first thing. You know, Johnny's played in
professional at a few, you know,different clubs and also played
in the Liverpool comp and I don't have even there.
Ben's proud, hockey's proud. So I think it, it just depends
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on what you, on what you want to, on what you want to achieve.
I can only speak, you know, personally, and I've only ever
really cared about about about Law House.
And that's the kind of community.
And it's not just about playing in the first step.
It's everything else that comes with it.
Yeah, it's a difficult question.It's difficult.
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Questions because we weren't in that era where we, you know, my
dad want to push me to go and play anywhere else and I know
Graham won't be pushing you to go and play anywhere else brief
in the city. Who knows?
Who knows, But it's a great debate and if anyone's got any
questions around it, then pleasewing them our way and we'll try
and answer them. But well done, Tom.
A great effort there. Let's hope it develops into, you
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know, a few more games before the end of the season.
Right house. Cast predictor points.
Jazz walks in with the grin so wide he's got a clipboard and
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rules that high 12 points a win.Or maybe it's aid who's keeping
track. It's all up for debate.
He's support. So if we remember.
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This was invented when we're trying to work out how many
points we would need and when wewould get them to win the league
because Martin, who is still laughing, doubtful.
And we created this point predictor.
If you remember the first week, Paul Stanley did fantastically
well, got eight points. So the less the least points you
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get, the better you've done. So for example, I suggested
Lorax, we're going to get 10 points on Sunday and they only
got 5, so I get 5 points. If I'd have said five points, I
would have got no points. So the least points you get, the
better. Stanley won the first week, Bled
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2nd so in the second week. That we just done, Nicki.
Hall won by only getting 9 points, but Blaise also came
forth by only getting 16 points.So whilst it seems to be
waffling on people maybe don't understand in the bottom line is
(56:16):
that that Frank entity PRD's bottom on 22.
He's 22nd with 94 points. Joe Martin won't join because he
thought it was conflict and Stanand Johnny Russell are now
second overall with Blaze top on26 points.
So we'll have to say I don't know what people think.
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Give us a shout for next year. We're thinking of running it
next year with maybe some monetary value over the season.
Dutch, I know Joe Martin Carter.Dutch.
You got 33 points in the in week17 and then 22 points in week 18
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to your 11th I'm afraid, which is not great.
Really. No.
Did you say Johnny and Stan got the?
Same points this week. Johnny Muscle got 13 and Stan.
Got 13 yeah could be collusion there with them too they.
Big buddies, them too. They could be colluding and
working out what to guess. Just keep your eye on that.
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Just look forward. I will.
I'll, I'll. I didn't think of that.
Yeah, they could be and they're having a pie.
Yeah, they are very similar and the the the points they
predicted are very, very similar.
So I will I'll keep my eye out on that.
So I was there on the other side.
No, Was it? Brilliant and sit in for a bit.
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And we have some good was there as well.
No way. But Gav wasn't.
Gav wasn't the. People coming from all over
Lancashire and and beyond. What Gav?
Gav couldn't get well. I think my final point before.
We conclude this episode. There's been a few messages come
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in on social media about Gav's had a problem at the weekend
with getting a he's gone out fora few pints with some young lads
and ends up getting a loads of blisters because of his new
trainers and and has to hobble out as a pub and get a taxi home
on his own because of his blisters were hurting him.
So I hope your blisters are getting better, Gav.
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You know, I hope it works out OKfor you because they look around
us on this video that someone sent there.
So I'm nothing else to add. I'll just come round to you too
if we can just talk. If there's anything else you
want to add around cricket or anything else I've forgot.
I've enjoyed this tonight. Just the three of us for an
hour. Do anything before we close it
off? No.
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Obviously, I'm looking forward to Sunday bank holiday weekend,
potential league clinching game on Sunday, Joe.
I don't know if you know Joe, but we can actually win the
league on Sunday. I know you've not looked at the
table, but so, yeah, just reallylooking forward to that.
And obviously there'll be plentyof people there and there'll be
a few bevvies being consumed, I would imagine.
(59:08):
Would it be in a bank holiday? Yeah.
Brilliant. Yeah, good point that.
Because it'll go out before then.
So it's Rochdale at home. Half 12 start on Sunday, get
yourself down, support the lads and then we can celebrate,
hopefully with them after the game.
If not, it'll go on to the week after.
Joe Martin. Anything you want to finish up
on? No, just just so.
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They're always difficult games against Rochdale, so we've got
to be got to make sure that we play well.
So yeah. Are you going to be there on
Sunday, Jess? Yeah, we are.
Yeah. I'm coming.
Or Chippy. 'S coming over, I'm going to
come down in vans and I think we're going to stop over, maybe
have some breakfast and stop over.
Very nice. What if God will be there?
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Depends on his blisters. I think so everyone, thanks ever
so much for listening. We will be doing a podcast next
week. We'll hopefully get this out
before the end, before the Rochdale game.
So thanks everyone for listeningand keep subscribing and
whatever else you do. And but also if you think of any
guests, any ex players, any ex or any supporters.
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That you want us to approach to come on then just give us a
shout. So thanks everyone for
listening. Gordon.
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Gordon. Send more house to save the
house. Come on, the House.
Oh, nice. Where are you, Jess?
Hey, I know you're in the van, but where are you?
Melton, Marlborough. Oh.
Very nice. Have you had a pie?
I haven't. No, not yet.
Oh, well, is Lisa sat across from you?
Yeah, I'm here. What we'll talk about tonight,
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Lisa. Oh, I'll pile on.
Hey, Duke. Hello.
Hi, Joe. All right, now we're both doing.
Yeah, good, great. Being Melton Mowbray still jazz,
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have you moved on or? Oh yeah, no, we're still here.
We're coming back. Thursday tea, Thursday.
Sorry. Thursday morning.
Thursday lunch. And have you had any pork pies?
No, we haven't yet. You've had some chilli for tea
first. Thing I asked is
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Holden Holden send more house tosave the house?
So welcome to the House cast everybody.
We're submit an impromptu on a Tuesday night after the game at
Rami On Sunday. So I've got myself obviously,
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because I'm talking Joe Martin, Joey at home.
I enjoy you all right? I'm in my second home all.
Right. That's good.
That's good. You look a touch windswept.
I've just been training. Do you not have a brook?
A bit I'm I'm sweating more thanwindswept Jess but it's not
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quite cold now. But there's a couple of games on
at the club so they must be free.
It's really cold. Good net, good training.
Yeah, yeah. Good fun, Good fun, good.
Always good. It just went a bit dark at the
end. Blasts were whacking, whacking
cricket balls at me. That's the one I couldn't see.
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Oh, that's what I'm telling anyway.
Did you catch them all? I.
Caught some of them. Good.
Which is a fair achievement. Yeah, yeah, it is certainly in
the dark. And we've got Duke going to go
into Duke about Sunday's game asa as a spectator because you
were the only one there, dude. You OK with that?
Yeah, great, Jess. Yeah, all good.
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Good. And then and also Force 11 and
obviously we'll go through the seconds and the thirds as to
what's what's occurred there. As I said, a bit of a last
minute impromptu on this, we were definitely going to record
this week, but we find tonight were the best night.
Gav was only available Monday and Tuesday and then said I
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don't think I can contribute to get great deal because Saturday
I were out shopping and Sunday Iwill walk in my dog.
I told him to come on because he's always good fun even if
he's if he's not watched it, butit don't look like he's turning
up. Gary's got some jobs at home
around moving house so he might join us but he might not.
But I'm sure those three can make a good go of it.
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Once again, some good feedback around the house cast.
It's worth telling the spectators we are already
planning some winter podcasts. Looking at some, you know, some
really old guests. There's a couple of, I don't
mean old in age, I just mean, you know, go back a few years
for Laura's. Look at it, you know there's a
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couple of pros we've not had on so make a few emails and
Facebook requests if we get themon.
We've also got a couple of characters and some ex players.
Ted Whittle has has said he wants to come on but I think
that'll be a win to on a dark winter night in front of a fire.
So we are going to keep looking at keep going through the winter
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and we're obviously now the season's coming to a close.
We'll continue to do one a week and it's coming to quite a
crescendo. Joe Martin, what's your thoughts
on the Obviously we're about going to the game on Sunday,
which sounded a fantastic game. What's your your view as a
player and looking towards the Roxdale game and and the the
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last the last few games of the season?
Yeah, it's potentially a very exciting few weeks for the for
the club. All teams are doing extremely
well, you know, all the senior teams and, and something we
don't mention a lot to some of the junior teams are in cup
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finals and going for league titles and stuff.
So it's it's potentially a successful, a successful year
and it's just a few weeks left. So hopefully we can we can
finish off properly. And I think this weekend, if
I've worked it out right, I think I've got it six or seven
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points. If we get 6 or 7 points on
Sunday against Rochdale at home,it doesn't matter what Clitheroe
or Littleborough or Darwin to a further extent can do.
Is that how you've got it, dude?Yeah, we need, we need 7 more
than Clitheroe and Littleborough.
No, no, we need 7. Full stop.
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Yeah. Yeah, 7.
Full stop. Yeah, yeah, because we're 42 in
front now and we need to be 49 ahead of next weekend's games.
Yeah, yeah. So I'm sure the vast majority of
people who listen, the bonus point system in in my view and
I'm feeling is outstanding the way that you can get points as a
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losing side batting our ball in second.
But how exciting would it be if we tied the game on Sunday in
Clitheroe and Little? We've got 12 points each we'd
pip it by 1 already. What price you get for that from
honest John? But yeah, it's it's quite
exciting. So I think let's talk through
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the the Rams bottom game on Sunday.
Dude, we we battered second and seemed like, yeah, I was
watching it from afar. So it'd be interesting to see
your view on it. I thought we were really down
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and out and we're going to struggle to do it.
Frankie's a fantastic player. But what's your view on how the
certainly our innings went, you know, and then we'll go back and
we'll talk about their innings. How did you see that go?
You were there watching it throughout.
Oh. I'm glad you asked her about the
end of the innings first, because that's obviously the bit
that sticks freshest in my mind,and that was one of the points I
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want to make about about how theinning sort of developed and
what the general feeling was around the ground.
I've just been looking at the card now just to see the exact
position that we're in. When we lost our 8th wicket, we
still needed a hundred runs. 8 down.
Now what? What as an occurrence one in 100
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would you say? Would you get home from there?
2IN100I mean. If you, you know, start
throughout, throughout the league forever, at least I think
so. I think more than two in 100,
you know, I think you're probably right near A1 in 100
when you think about the line upand also Dutch, I think it's
worth mentioning you probably were going to go on to it.
It wasn't as if there were stacks of overs left.
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I mean, the run rate obviously increased as we got towards the
end, but there wasn't it wasn't dire the situation.
It wasn't it wasn't like the thewalls and game earlier on in the
season when Joe and Paddy got usall and that where the run rate
was really small. I think it was around the five
mark throughout the vast majority of that of that period.
But but what, what I was going to say is, even though we're in
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such a dire position, the general feeling amongst the lore
house fans and there was a lot of lore house fans that Rami a
lot. And I was walking around pretty
much constantly through nerves, I guess.
But the, the vast majority of the feeling and most of the vast
majority of our house fans were we, we still bang in this game.
We are still right in this game.And as long as if Frankie and
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Paddy can just back for another 40 minutes, we'll, we'll, you
know, we, we will be in with a sniff.
And that was also the vibe that I got from the Rami fielders,
you know, from, from sort of from listening.
And I just thought that's, it's a remarkable sort of testament
to, to what we've done this yearthat it looked if you, if you'd
never watched Law House before, you would say we were dead.
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We were dead in Barry at that stage.
But the Law House fans and the Rami players, I, it felt like to
me were aware that they were still banging the game.
And as that's how it turned out that we very, very nearly got
home. There was 1 spectator who said
that he didn't think we had a sniff.
A spectator or a player? A.
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Spectator. He's infamously pessimistic.
I mean, we don't even need to, we don't even need to say his
name. But I walked past him just after
the game finished and he said, well, I didn't think we had a
chance. But he was the only one out of
everybody I spoke to who who thought that, that we didn't.
We weren't really in with a sniff.
Everybody else pretty much was saying, you know, we can still
do this. We are not favourites by any
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stretch, but we can still we canstill get home from here.
Yeah, we are. We have discussed previously
about batting down to the Martinbrothers at 10:00 and 11:00, you
know, of having big rooms previously.
But that's got you surprised me there.
The Rami player, the Rami fielders, there was a, there was
an atmosphere that they knew it wasn't, you know, it wasn't done
yet, which is is worth an extra player.
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Sometimes when you think of, youknow, silly with the pro they've
got and the quality can put, youknow, and then and the other
amateurs, you know, they've got some good players.
Yeah. They should have killed us
there. They should have really killed
us. But all credit to to Patty and
and and Frankie for, you know, for getting us as close as we
did. We did we leave.
It's a little bit too late, Duke.
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Just a controversial question. Yeah.
Look, I think if you're going tobe alter critical then then
maybe you could say that, but I,I don't, I don't think that's
fair really. You know, we're 88 down with
only joy to come and no offence to Joy, you know, he's not going
to score at 10 and over. So I think Paddy and Francois
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had decided that if we were going to win that game, it would
be on them to to to do, you know, the vast majority of it.
And me and Blair were chatting would what were they going to
target from the last five overs?Could they leave themselves 50
off the last five and would thatgive us a chance?
Well, they didn't leave themselves about that.
But then inside that last five overs, they were trying that
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they were, you know, they were they were really, really trying
to get the power shots. But but the fielding, the young
fielding like JJ bold a tight a tight spell.
And there was just a couple of attempts, sort of big hits that
they just didn't connect with. And in the in the three overs to
go was a quiet over from memory,a penultimate over.
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They didn't get a couple of boundaries, but by that stage
they needed fifteens. And then in the last over,
Frankie really got hold of the hold of the ladder who bowled
from the from the from the football ground end.
But no, I don't, I don't think they left it too late.
I think they were trying to takethe game as deep as possible and
unfortunately they just, they just didn't quite get over the
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line. But what I also wanted to talk
about was sounding too soppy. And this probably is going to
sound a bit soppy. When I was walking off after the
game finished, I didn't, I didn't feel like I wasn't
guttered. I wasn't disappointed.
I wasn't, you know, annoyed thatwe'd lost.
I thought, what what Effort from13 for three to get 5 batting
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points to almost pull off one ofthe greatest escapes that we've
probably ever seen. You know, in the league
campaign, you're not. Teams don't win every week.
There's no way they win all the games.
So what can you do when you don't win and that was as good
as you could possibly get. It will keep the momentum going.
No, no, no loss of momentum froma performance like that.
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And the team just showed what what they're all about for me.
And again, I know Joe Martin, I want you to come in and I'm
going to take you back to the start of it.
The, you know, that they won thetoss and battered.
But on that point sheets, it's like we've been talking about
it. So, you know, call it what you
want, enjoyable cricket, the players enjoy it, the spectators
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enjoy that. You know, we've we've still got
the five points again, that is, you know, the benefit of the
system that's in place. It's entertaining to watch.
You know, I'd like to think the players, albeit a little bit
disappointed they didn't get theextra 5 points, have enjoyed it
and it's a view you've alluded to there.
And whilst you know we've only got 1 professional, they are
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there to entertain. Those lads are playing to
entertain people who were payingto come on and watch and and I
don't think anyone looking at that could say they've gone away
and not been entertained. So now it's a great point that
douche Joe. So they won the toss, decided to
bat at a fantastic start, 2 goodplayers, their partner and
fielding great players. Did did did did our bowling go
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to plan? Did they get away to too quickly
and we did we miss any chances in that 150 partnership?
Not, not really. I think if you, if you speak to
if you speak to Ben and in fact the majority of the team, we
didn't actually get a lot, wouldn't get a lot wrong.
They battered really well on a good pitch and it always starts
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a good pitcher, Rammy, if you win the tossing bat, you've
always got a good chance. So I think in that, in that in
that first period we we bowled, we bowled pretty well.
Yeah. There were some, there were some
4 balls and and whatnot, but people kept plugging away and
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Ben kept changing the ball in totry and try and make something
happen and we did actually kind of slow them down a little bit.
I think at one point they were looking towards 300 maybe maybe
even more than, maybe even more than that.
So I think from where they were to get them to 245 was a was a
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pretty good effort actually. We just dropped one catch.
Yeah, yeah, I think we dropped one catch.
I, I also had a had a half chance I think of, of Francois
stood up. So yeah, we dropped one catch
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and but it didn't really cost that much in the end, probably
15 or so. And I could see working outlook.
Just look at the scorecards as the game's going on.
The potentially could have got 300.
I think you know, the way they started some of the batting, you
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know, the some of the, you know,the batters that that can that
can come after part, part and field in pushing 300 and then
it's a big score. I know it's a big ground.
The pitch is a really good pitch, but does maybe
deteriorate a touch as the day goes on.
So I think you know what you're alluding to there, Joe, is that
we did a great job to keep it under 250 and no other real
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scores after the two openers, the 150 partnership there.
I think it's worth the mention Tommy York, Robinson and ex Law
House so that decided to move toleave us and go and play at play
at Ramsbottom to get more first in cricket.
Great youngster at the club Joe Martin.
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No animosity there. He battered well and gets his
runner ball, 27, played well. Yeah, definitely.
I think, yeah, definitely no animosity at all.
Is a is a really nice, nice lad,good lad.
I like him a lot. But yeah, no, I think it was his
partnership with Brad Fielding was quite important actually.
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I think it probably took them from getting 2323235 to pushing
up to close to 250. And I think that probably when
we went into those last four or five overs, we had a little bit
of momentum. We bought really well.
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And I think that small partnership where they hit some,
some sixes and some boundaries probably just took the momentum
in their favour a little bit. So yeah, no, I think they played
really well. 44 off you know in no time really in the towards
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the end so I suppose it has swung it around a little bit
after you know we've got the proand cat and that there were hit.
Keeper is a good player so it's swung it back in their favour a
little bit. Your brother again. 3 wickets.
Jord Paddy ball well. Yeah, yeah, I think he bowled
really well. Yeah, Paddy ball well, again,
not easy. Wasn't turning a great deal.
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I think actually Paddy's naturalpace on that wicket maybe
nullified the turn a little bit.When you bowled slower it was
harder to hit but probably took away that wicket taking
potential. So I think when he came back on
re second spell I think he got his pace, got his pace right and
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adjusted to the wicket and bowled well and bowled well in
that second spell. He did bowl well in the first
one. It was a little bit unlucky.
I think whilst there were no chances that went down, there
was, you know, potential to take, to take wickets and they
just didn't quite just didn't quite fall.
Yeah, and another three wickets room and and, you know, down to
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for 55. You know, it's all tidy bowling
there. And as you said, Ben kept
swapping it around quite a bit going into bat.
John, don't give any secrets to whether you don't want to give
away you you had a plan for thatpro.
Did you talk about that as a batting unit?
Von Berg's Bowl. You know he's an experienced
player. There wasn't, there wasn't
really a plan for the for, you know, targeting particular
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bowlers or anything like that. It was the thing that we've done
all year where, where we've got to be positive.
I think I mean when you as as Joe said, we were 13 for three
and even though we were 13 for three and maybe five years ago,
six or seven years ago, when youget to 13 for three, you kind of
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send something like me and to try and you know, eat up a few
overs and then try and get a little bit closer later in the
innings. But they kept they kept birdie
you up the bowl in them and bowlso well.
The World Cup final the week before, they kept they kept
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going at him and kept attacking him, hitting him hitting for
quite a few sixes. And this figures they were
probably pull the opposite to tothe World Cup final relative to
to that in England and Dan and Tom Walker and then Francois and
and really, really put pressure on him and.
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Yeah, Joe, Joe Martin, I'm just going to say if we, you know,
the start that we had, it'd be interesting just to talk about
the start. Dude, you were there for it, you
know 2 openers didn't you know 6:00 and 4:00 and then and then
Henry gets say. What were your take early on?
Before we talk about that, I just need to say I was aware of
a plan for us, for a bowler, andI wasn't even playing.
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Yeah, well, I was as well, but I'm just trying to give a
holistic view of the innings. Yeah, I think you're trying to
be too secretive there, Joe Martin.
They said I don't want to. You don't have to give a plan
away. So I wasn't doing.
I was given a general answer to a general question.
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But we always have plans. We've always got thoughts and
discussed the opposition bowlers.
So your thoughts early on? Ben's out at LBW and then Johnny
gets out. You know what?
We don't panic anymore at Laurice.
We just, we, we, we have belief.What was your view?
And you know, in those first 5 or 10 overs when we're 13 for
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three. Well, look, I'm not going to lie
and say I'm still brimming with confidence at that point because
because obviously you're not Danand Tom Walker at a partnership
that gets us back into the game,which we desperately needed at
that stage. But before obviously before
that, you, you sort of you, you are feeling the worst a little
bit after, after Ben and Johnny and Henry.
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Ben and Johnny particularly, who've scored so many runs this
year, are both back in the shed without many on the board.
But Dan and Tom Walker played a little a little gem of a
partnership there and we're going great when when Tom was
when Tom was at LBW. But look, the batters keep
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coming. Frankie at six ex professional
Gansler, Cotton toxic Paddy, youknow, Joe back literally back
all the way down. I do think we missed Hawk in the
first innings. You know, I think he's he's a
crucial part of our bowling lineup.
And unfortunately, you know, he wasn't available on on Sunday.
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Teams have got to you've got to court with that.
And I thought Ben shuffled his bowlers very, very well.
Yeah, back to your question. You know, when we're 13 for
three was I was I, how did I feel?
Not not great, obviously. Yeah.
And then, as you said, Tom and Dan pull it round.
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Not at a spectacular rate, but they're going well enough.
The way that's, you know, that partnership developed and then
you know, they've put 50 on. Frankie comes in and he starts
quite slowly with with batting with Dan.
What she thoughts there. Joe Martini, you know, the run
rate was, and I know what you'resaying, dude, she was it never
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really got above 5, but it was getting close to five on a where
the wiki's not improving and whilst we've got quality
batters, you know, the the run rate keeps needs to be kept
maintained. What was the the thoughts in the
dressing room then Joe, you know, with you've got Gansler
and Charlie Cottam and Tops still confident.
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Well, yeah, I think so. I mean, one of the things that
Paul Stanley said was that if ifFrancois was there at the end,
we'll be in with a chance. That was, and that was when Dan,
that was when Dan, Tom Walker and and Ganzler were out.
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So, you know, Charlie Cotton, Toxic Adi and me left.
So Francois is an unbelievable cricketer still.
He's still remarkable when he when he bats.
He completely understands how topace an innings.
He knows he plays spin fantastically well and what an
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asset to have coming in at #6 tosort of Marshall a game when
wickets are falling. It's not easy.
Bowlers are bowling well. Antoine battered exceptionally
well, unbelievably well. I don't.
Remember him trying too many reverse sweeps on Sundays?
Or do you remember seeing any? No, no, I think they were.
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No, not really. I think they might have been
one, maybe maybe not even that. No, I think he, you know, he's
always been great assessing situations in a game.
And I think he was doing that onon Sunday to keep us keep us in
with a shout at all at every point.
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So he he battered, he batted magnificently well and then so
did Pat. When, when, when he came in, he
batted, he batted extremely wellagain.
And, you know, coming in at #10 I, I can't really think of
probably a better #10 that's ever.
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With ever in every world just goback to to CC Gansley, Charlie
Cotton and toxic. Did any of them actually, you
know did they get in? I know it's 9 off 1115 off 23,
four off 15. Did they get in with Frankie?
Did the? I think Charlie Cotton, I think
Charlie Cotton, Charlie Gansley hit a big six and was caught and
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then the following over was caught trying to hit the trying
to hit the pro. I think Toxie was.
I think Toxie was stumped in theend.
Yeah, he was. Yeah.
Possibly wasn't as fluent as he he has been, but it wasn't easy
at that .2 spinners on turning quiet quite a bit and he tried
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to he tried to move the game forward again, which is what you
want to do. But CC Cotton did he battered.
He battered extremely well when he when he came in and it was it
was really lucky. It was really unlucky when he
was out with a new bowler on andit was, it was one of, it was a
like a long hop, that kind of edge to be caught.
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And it was one of those balls where if that's third ball of
the over, he hits that for six. First ball of a new bowler.
Probably surprising isn't it? So yeah, but Charlie did get
going and battered well. It's a brilliant pull shot
through sort of wide mid wicket if that's a position.
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And again, bit of a possibly a prickly subject, John Martin,
but will we can have a discussion, You know, Charlie
Gansler going for that 6 after he's already hit the 60 over
before. Is that something that is
encouraged? You know, I've got my own views
which I will express. What's you, what's your feelings
and what's feelings of the players?
So we we back him, we back him to do it.
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And the reason the reason for itis you can be he's out there
taking a positive option to try and change something that the
bowl is doing, whether that changed his pace, changed his
line or even they take him off or whatever he would.
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He could equally be out, you know, prodding, you know,
defending, prodding the ball andedging it to slip or being out
LBW or chipping one to extra cover.
And very, very keen on him taking, taking that positive
option to try and try and move the game on.
I agree with you but my point would be that Charlie has that
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licence to play because of you and Paddy and the way that we've
got a 10 and 11. If it was me, Paul Stansfield
and Johnny Russell at 1911 then he might have to have a
different option as to we're going to be bowled out to you
with five overs left so. I think, Jess, I've never
thought of it like that. Well, that's a great point.
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It's something I try and get across to people, you know, who
wins and moan around the ground when I'm there that you know,
and he wouldn't play like that if he didn't have the 1st that
he's got. And, and if he comes off twice
the season, you know, he came off in the world the Cup final,
you know, last year. And if you, you know, it doesn't
matter, he comes off it, it takes the game away from them
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and we still bat in depth and westill got a chance to get in
there. You know, it's almost like 2
back to the cherry. So you know, I have big belief
in the way that you play, the big belief in what Dan's doing
with the lads, what you've got, the plays that you've got in the
batting positions that you've got.
So in the dressing room, Joe, you've got your pads on.
Are you OK? We're passing up and down at
this stage. You don't move from one
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position, no. I don't move from so I actually
know Jess. I'm an avid.
I'm an avid Walker. I think I only did the think
I've only done one lap on on Sunday and then I just sat with
the, I sat with the team, which is a very rare, rare occurrence.
No, I was very nervous. I always am a bit nervous when
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you when you're getting ready tobat and then those nerves kind
of go away when you go out there.
I think, which is no, I mean when, when Francois and when
Francois and Patron and the batting so well, my kind of
thought changed to, OK, I'm not trying to lengthen this game
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anymore. I'm trying to get points.
So how, how am I going to get usto within 50?
So if I have to go in now, how we're going to get to needing
50, how we're going to get to needing 40, rather than going to
kind of like disaster sessions when, you know, we were when we
still needed hundreds, you know,when Paddy went in, as Joe said.
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So yeah, I, I was, I was nervousand obviously you don't want to
be, you want to get as close as possible.
But yeah, yeah, that was what I was thinking at the time.
And the need, as you've, as I think Duke said earlier, you
know, 246 for 8:00, needing 99, you know, with fall 3, sure.
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So, you know, it's an outstanding effort.
And I've, you know, as I was, asI said, I was watching it and I
don't know what your thoughts were, douche.
When it gets down to the last two or three hours.
And as long as, you know, Paddy can hit a big ball as well.
But if Frankie's still there andPaddy gets out, you know, Joe's
intelligent enough to get Frankie on that strike.
And you just need those big sixes.
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You need that 20 off one over inthe last 6.
You know it can be game over. Did you, you know, you would not
concerned about Joe Martin coming in, obviously Dukes, but
were you at any stage thinking we need to, you know, we need to
do this a bit sooner so it's there's not more pressure on Joe
or what you're comfortable with it?
I know that's a similar questionto earlier.
What I'm alluding to is you werecomfortable with Joe Martin
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coming in at 11 as well. Yeah, like I said earlier, I'm
not going to pretend that I would have backed your to be to
be here smacking them back on. The back and.
What have you? I've had him play in the, you
know, the get off strike role toget one of the other lads back
on. That's that's what, that's what
I've been expecting of Joe. Yeah.
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And there was two. There was 2 bits of fielding in
the last two overs from the Ramilads that probably swore the
game in their favour. And the penultimate over Tommy
Robinson made a diving stop putting down in front of the tea
room. That saved 2.
I think Paddy hit that one and it was going for four.
We looked at 4:00 and all and Tom's like full length dive and
(32:08):
dragged it back in and they onlygot 2.
And then in the next door of Frankie Zip, one up to the
boundary in front of the river and JJ Fieldings pulled off an
absolute world and they only got1.
So that's what, 3 five runs saved there.
That didn't look like we're going to get anywhere near.
(32:29):
Which is fantastic in a game, you know, where there's, there's
nearly 500 runs scored, there's 345 great performances by
different individuals. But it just shows what cricket
can do. Just you know, a change, you
know in the fielding, a fantastic effort will catch
great stumping. It can change it also.
(32:49):
Can I ask you a question of? Course, of course.
And I don't really like talking about the opposition too much,
but we've seen Rammy twice now, we've played them twice, we've
obviously followed the Cup finaland they've won the Walesley
Cup. Why?
Why is it do you? Why do you think there's lower
down in the table is what they are.
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I honestly don't really know.
(33:11):
I think they've got probably oneof the strongest batting line
UPS in the league, I think. I think it's probably only
second two hours. Yeah, I'd probably agree with
that. You know, you've got similar,
similar opening, opening partnership who scored a lot of
runs, really positive, good pro.And you know, Ben Pearson scores
(33:33):
a lot of runs batting at three. Harry Kitten, he's a fantastic,
fantastic batter as well. Possibly there he might be
missing one bowler maybe. Bowling.
Depth that might be that might be a thing.
And they've just had some reallyodd results as well.
(33:53):
I mean, you know, they've scored245 against us, but they've also
been bowled out for 60, you know, in or, you know, or less
than 100. So probably, you know, kind of
automation of those things. They look like quite a young
side as well. I mean, I don't know all the
players, but I know a good thinkof them and they do look like
quite a young side. Maybe they'll be a team to watch
(34:16):
out for in the next coming seasons.
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think quite a few
people kind of tip them to be, you know, kind of contenders for
the league. And obviously they've won the
Wellesley, won the Wellesley Cup, which is a great
achievement. So, yeah, I, I, I think that I
think that they'll have AI thinkthey'll have a good chance if
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they, if they keep the keep the team together and, and, and, you
know, keep going because they are young or younger than me
anyway. Yes, they are a good side and
let's, you know, let's see what happens.
But again, Dutch, I mean, the other answer for it is it's such
a strong league. I know Middleton has struggled
certainly this last half, you know, we're not still a decent
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side and they're down there. Burnley if down there, you know,
4th, 3rd or 4th from the bottom and Ramia are down there.
It's a strong league. Teams can beat other teams.
And you know, maybe you know, the opening battle of JJ Field
in I think the first year he gotcertainly the second division
got nearly 1000 runs if he did get 1000 runs and maybe he
(35:19):
hasn't got as many as the anticipated.
But yeah, no, I agree a fantastic side.
Let's let's have a look at the second team because the second
team go marching on playing bakeup at home at weekend on Sunday,
bake up on the toss and battered186 off their allocated overs.
(35:39):
I'll come to you too just to seeif you got any feedback because
I know neither of you watched the game, if you've got any
feedback from it from anyone. Yanis 21 for one off 7.
Charlie Bissell's got 3 wickets again and and Keegan got 4
(35:59):
wickets. Looks like a good bowling
performance. 186 and then we've knocked them off at a cancer by
the look at it, you know. Great partnership between Will
Norcross 69 off 85 balls. I'll take Will you know, pushing
up now 600 runs and and again Keegan rounding off a good all
(36:23):
rank performance for 66 off 46 balls.
Any feedback from either of you 2 from any of their players or
when you went by down the Club I.
Mean to me it was another great performance by the by the second
team. I think that on a day like
Sunday with the weather as it was and the ground at Law House,
(36:45):
how it was some very, very fast scoring, fast scoring ground.
If you get it past the infield, it'll just run away for, run
away for. So it looks to me like they
bowled extremely well, nice and really tight.
And then just kind of when it comes to, I mean, it's great to
(37:08):
see, you know, Will and Keegan, that's all.
That's all. Well, again, they've been really
consistent this year and they'vejust sort of kept that going and
they keep putting that the second team in great positions
to keep winning games. And I think they're probably 40
odd clear now of of of third place.
(37:29):
So I think they've got a real chance of of securing promotion
this weekend. And you know, hopefully they can
carry on and win there in the league too.
Yeah, 130 odd partnership from those two, so well done to to
those two. So you, you, you putting your
neck on the lines or you think that we're going to get promoted
(37:50):
the second team. Do you?
Yeah. I think do you look at their
league table or is it just the? Is it just the first league
table that you don't look at? I talk to their league table,
the developmental. I just have to say that spoke to
somebody very close to you who also plays in the first team,
and he says he thinks that's nonsense about you're not
looking at a league table. Genuinely true, I'll just tell
(38:14):
you what you said. Anyway, I spoke to Declan after
after the game and he had just acouple of bits that he wanted to
share with the podcast listeners.
He said that he thought Will andKeegan were superb.
He said that. Isn't it funny how Charlie
Bethel tries much harder when his fan club's watching?
(38:35):
I don't really know what he's getting at there.
And he said Joel and Jack simmerclowns.
Well, yeah, it probably has a point with a Latin, we can't,
you can't add anything else. That was just what was.
That was what he asked me to to relay, yeah.
Right, interesting, interesting.Let's see what what they come
(38:57):
back with. So well done 2nd 11.
Fantastic performance. Duke, I believe you were down on
Saturday watching. Was it the 4th?
Yes, yes, I went. Down through that game.
Yeah, I went down to watch the abit of the 4th and a bit of the
footy. Burnley, the football was on in
(39:19):
the bar, so I watched a bit of that and then and then watched
the 4th. But I quickly sat the footy off
and just concentrate on the cricket.
Marquis was down and Joe was obviously there and one or two
others. And what a what a great game,
fantastic game of cricket to watch.
I know we've mentioned it a few times on here, but but Pinky's
doing a, you know, a remarkable job with that, with that team.
(39:42):
It's basically Pinky Shabazz andthen a lot of 13 year olds and,
and, and, and they're coming up against, you know, teams who
have got players who are, who are much bigger and much older
in, in a lot of a lot of cases. And in the we bowled first in
the in the first half. We, you know, some of the
(40:03):
bowlers were getting a bit of tap from from some of the older
lads from from Aki, a few agricultural shots being played,
as you can imagine. And I think it's safe to say
that, you know, some of our lot who watch the force much more
regularly than I do didn't really give us much of a chance
at half time. You know they were.
The feeling was that that Aki had got had got too many.
(40:25):
And we probably didn't have muchof a chance with such a young
side and how wrong they proved to be.
We chased it down, albeit we were down.
We kicked down. But some, some great
performances in the in the second innings, Logan
Howarthorpe and the batting, he made 47.
Pinky himself looked like he wasstealing his own 46 and and got
(40:47):
out, you know, really close to the end, leaving the last pair
of Josh Nelson and Hassan Sadakat to get us over the line.
But it was a it was a great, great game.
Won, won it with 9 wickets down and a really, really good
performance. We we should ask Jess, Joe,
(41:08):
Jess, have you ever won a game of cricket on a noble?
So we so close a tie, Jess scores a tie, they're bowling,
obviously. Yeah.
Goal it. 2 1/2 overs left 2. And a half overs left, not ball.
(41:30):
And then the umpire no ball, front foot, front foot, no ball.
I think the only no ball in the innings.
And we were nine down and. We went nine down.
Yeah, so we were going to get you would you would.
It's highly likely we were goingto get the score if we were
there. Had to bowl us out and and
there's a no ball being called. No, I don't think that's ever
(41:53):
happened in any games I've played in.
Remarkable, Really remarkable, we.
Couldn't really believe it couldbe Joe.
No, we. Were staggered really, but all
of the deserve they deserve to win.
They deserve to win. You know, they they sort of
chase that that big score of of 197 in 40 overs, you know, on a
(42:16):
ground that hadn't been roped inthat much.
You know, the boundaries haven'tbeen dragged in, dragged in
much. I thought it was great.
It was great watch and that chuff that they that they got
all the line. Thank you.
Hitting some beautiful shots over extra cover, really lovely.
But I'm hitting straight as well.
And Logan, Logan Howard batteredbut a brilliantly unlucky not to
(42:39):
get a, not to get a 50. But yeah, as Joe said,
brilliant. Great to watch.
It was a really good game. There's probably not enough
credit given. I know we talked about Stan and
we talked about the coaches and you know, the really junior
cricket, the likes of Pinky and other people that are, you know,
keeping the third and fourth team not only alive, but people
(43:01):
are enjoying the cricket, you know, just like they are in the
first and second team. So a big shout out to those
volunteers that are helping out as much as they are.
And you know, I promise, you know, the end is certainly after
maybe this weekend, if things goour way, then we've got a couple
of weekends, weekends of cricketwhere we can have podcasts and
(43:22):
we can bring these people in. Let's get them into the podcast.
Let's talk about the thirds and the fourths.
Let the parents listen to how well this you know that their
kids have been doing in the games.
Because it's my understanding douche as well that they do get
good crowds on as well, don't they?
Certainly at home. Yeah, plenty there on Saturday.
Plenty there. Yeah, yeah.
(43:43):
And what those players, and you'll know this better than
anyone, Joe Martin, because of your coaching abilities that you
do, those players will learn so much in games like that that the
coaching can't, can't replace. And you know, and you know, the
experience, the enjoyment withinthe game and having all these
people watching them. So it's, you know, it's as good
(44:04):
as the first and second team. What's going on down there?
So anything else from cricket? I've just, we've got a couple
more points. I want to go through the house
cast, predictor, point game. And then also a little issue a
few second team is out a week and it might have been Saturday,
(44:25):
Friday or Saturday. Is there anything else around
cricket from You 2? Tom Walker, Tom.
Walker Yeah, please. Dutch if you just have you got
many details of the actual game?I couldn't find anyone.
I would. Look at no, there's no scorecard
anywhere. But I just, I just messaged him
earlier just to get his bowling figures and he didn't even know
(44:45):
what they were. So he doesn't even know what his
figures are. But he did say he got 4 wickets
and he thinks he went for about 30.
So, so we'll say 4 for, 30 for for Lancashire seconds against
Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe.
Fantastic. Hey team, does any does these
enough? You know how how they call up
(45:08):
came about. So for the listeners, TomTom
Walker, you know, great cricketer for us, came and
joined us from Actrington to play in the First Division and
has developed leaps and bounds. Played in Australia a little bit
and has come back got some real piss about him combat.
He seriously come back. Maybe some of the scores this
(45:31):
year have not shown as much, butwe have seen a thumb down at
Burnley and you know the fantastic fifty the weekend
before last and he gets the callup to lanky seconds, which
really is what I unheard of within not just Lanky League but
at law House. Does either of you to know how
that came about? No.
(45:53):
All right, we maybe need to findthat out for for the next one
because I get the impression it wasn't.
It's not been planned for weeks and weeks.
So whether there's some injuriesto their squad and obviously
Chris Benbow, our ex amateur whoplayed at Law House for a lot of
years is is is on the staff at Lancs Cricket and looks.
At Danny's as well. Yeah, and Dan's there as well,
(46:16):
so I'm sure that would have had a.
So what are your views on his selection?
As I've given mine, I think it'squite extraordinary that there
isn't more Lancashire League players.
You know, and obviously James Anderson went on from being 16
year old, he was, you know, he was targeted that he was going
to be a first class cricketer. But there's not many others
(46:37):
within Lancashire League over decades where there's been a lot
more in other leagues. Any views on that?
Not really. Well look, obviously they don't
Lancashire, the people who who made the decisions at Lancashire
don't see the value in in the Lancashire League the same way
(47:01):
that we do. And they maybe look elsewhere
because we've had some fantasticplayers in the league.
So you know, we're obviously not.
They're obviously, obviously don't really have their eye on
the Lancashire League. Well, maybe they do now, but
they they certainly didn't. They didn't previously.
Always that. That's the way it seems, anyway.
I'll, you know, I've watched like quite a bit over the last
(47:22):
three years, but they can't, they cannot say that we've not
well, we've got enough quality, we've got enough junior quality
coming through. They can't say that you know,
the likes of Tom and we can onlytalk about Tom because he's our
player who were in that, you know, that age group of
18/19/2021. You know, this should be given
(47:42):
more chances in my view. I think they, they look too much
at the at the Liverpool comp andthe the northern leagues and,
and their excuses at times I'm saying there, I don't know who
they are, but some of the excuses I've heard are the
pictures. The pictures are a lot firmer to
near the coast at Saint Ann's and places like that and at
Blackpool. And that's why they don't really
(48:04):
look in the actually. But I'm sure it's not to make
any difference whatsoever. But let's hope Tom maintains
that role within the 2nd 11 at length for the rest of the
season and and can go on. And you know, who knows who
knows what could happen at in close season?
Just my views. Any anyone else out there who's
got any other senders messages and we'll discuss it.
(48:26):
Yes. You think that the change in the
league structure might have might have changed the attitude
towards Lancashire League and doyou think that if you're a young
player playing the Second Division that might lead you to
move clubs easier than what it would have done in the past?
(48:47):
I know you don't really like moving clubs, but do you not do
you not think that that's adds an extra layer of sort of
legitimacy to moving clubs now? I do so the two points you make
there, dude. So you're saying that because
we've now got 2 leagues, you know, I think we, we all accept
that the amateurs are stronger or more organised or more that
(49:11):
that is better for us to get people to go and play a county.
Is that what you're you're thinking?
Well. Possibly it might just make them
a more attractive proposition toto Blanket and other counties.
Yeah, I agree, a great point. I think it, I think it probably
does, I think, and that whilst it is, it's only in name, There
is no two ways about it being a Premier League now the, the, the
(49:33):
clubs throughout the country, Premier Leagues are the only one
that real counties look at. So now we are Premier League is
has got to help and, and it might be that they do start
watch or they are already looking at players and, and we
don't see it. As far as your last point goes,
it is it, you know myself and you do played when there was no
(49:55):
relegations. It was one league and that's
that's the way it was. It is unfortunate the players in
the second division, you know, and we're talking about Tom
Walker. So let you know.
Let's let's use that as an example.
Playing at Accrington didn't look like they were going to get
promoted as he was when he was playing as a sixteen 1718 year
(50:16):
old. So wanted to move and play in
which is significantly better standard.
That's probably very disappointing for the teams in
the second division to to listento, but the teams in the First
Division, they will attract those sorts of players and
that's life into, you know, that's wild seats.
You can compare it with professional football and we
(50:39):
aren't professionals, you know, which is a very, very good
amateur standard and people wantto play at the best cricket.
You know, it's a it's a difficult one, dude, what would
you do? You're in lower age, first team
doing really well as a mid 20s and scoring loads and loads of
runs but Laurice are never goingto get promoted and another club
coming for you. What would you have done?
(51:00):
And I don't think I was, ever. I'm ambitious.
Enough good. Enough or any of those things to
be to be it's. Probably a bad example.
That I think a better example would be someone like Paddy, you
know, who has been, you know, stellar player for a long period
of time. And if he was stuck in the
(51:22):
second division club, if or if we, you know, if we say we'll go
back 3540 years and Paddy was stuck in a, in a side or Blaze
or, or whatever was stuck in thesecond division side, you know
what? And they were being.
Coveted by other clubs in the top division, but you know, we
might have lost some of. Those players.
Yourself, I know, I know you didget approached by other clubs,
(51:45):
but you know that I'm sure if we'd have been in a two division
situation like we are now that that would have been a lot more
prevalent and clubs would have been actively coming for you and
Blaz and Stan. We might have, we might have
suffered on the back of that andnow we're the boots on the other
foot and we've perhaps, you know, not as susceptible to it,
but other clubs are. Yeah, and it is.
(52:08):
It's sad in. Some ways, but it is giving the
the you know, the better playersare going to the clubs that are
more successful, but it's havinga knock on effect down in the in
the second division. I know it's very difficult for
you to comment on It's your you know your thoughts.
You're playing in the middle of the table, second middle of the
second division, law house, you're batting in the top four
(52:30):
and there's only you getting rooms.
Would you leave law house? Well, I wouldn't I've.
Got no reason to, but I think itdepends what you're what you're
trying to achieve. Yeah, I've only ever thought
about 1 Cricket Club. But for other people it's it's
(52:50):
slightly different. They want to experience playing
at different levels, playing at different places.
And we've seen that from, you know, with the players in our
first thing. You know, Johnny's played in
professional at a few, you know,different clubs and also played
in the Liverpool comp and I don't have even there.
Ben's proud, hockey's proud. So I think it, it just depends
(53:15):
on what you, on what you want to, on what you want to achieve.
I can only speak, you know, personally, and I've only ever
really cared about about about Law House.
And that's the kind of community.
And it's not just about playing in the first step.
It's everything else that comes with it.
Yeah, it's a difficult question.It's difficult.
(53:38):
Questions because we weren't in that era where we, you know, my
dad want to push me to go and play anywhere else and I know
Graham won't be pushing you to go and play anywhere else brief
in the city. Who knows?
Who knows, But it's a great debate and if anyone's got any
questions around it, then pleasewing them our way and we'll try
and answer them. But well done, Tom.
A great effort there. Let's hope it develops into, you
(54:01):
know, a few more games before the end of the season.
Right house. Cast predictor points.
Jazz walks in with the grin so wide he's got a clipboard and
(54:25):
rules that high 12 points a win.Or maybe it's aid who's keeping
track. It's all up for debate.
He's support. So if we remember.
(55:06):
This was invented when we're trying to work out how many
points we would need and when wewould get them to win the league
because Martin, who is still laughing, doubtful.
And we created this point predictor.
If you remember the first week, Paul Stanley did fantastically
well, got eight points. So the less the least points you
(55:29):
get, the better you've done. So for example, I suggested
Lorax, we're going to get 10 points on Sunday and they only
got 5, so I get 5 points. If I'd have said five points, I
would have got no points. So the least points you get, the
better. Stanley won the first week, Bled
(55:52):
2nd so in the second week. That we just done, Nicki.
Hall won by only getting 9 points, but Blaise also came
forth by only getting 16 points.So whilst it seems to be
waffling on people maybe don't understand in the bottom line is
(56:16):
that that Frank entity PRD's bottom on 22.
He's 22nd with 94 points. Joe Martin won't join because he
thought it was conflict and Stanand Johnny Russell are now
second overall with Blaze top on26 points.
So we'll have to say I don't know what people think.
(56:38):
Give us a shout for next year. We're thinking of running it
next year with maybe some monetary value over the season.
Dutch, I know Joe Martin Carter.Dutch.
You got 33 points in the in week17 and then 22 points in week 18
(57:01):
to your 11th I'm afraid, which is not great.
Really. No.
Did you say Johnny and Stan got the?
Same points this week. Johnny Muscle got 13 and Stan.
Got 13 yeah could be collusion there with them too they.
Big buddies, them too. They could be colluding and
working out what to guess. Just keep your eye on that.
(57:22):
Just look forward. I will.
I'll, I'll. I didn't think of that.
Yeah, they could be and they're having a pie.
Yeah, they are very similar and the the the points they
predicted are very, very similar.
So I will I'll keep my eye out on that.
So I was there on the other side.
No, Was it? Brilliant and sit in for a bit.
(57:42):
And we have some good was there as well.
No way. But Gav wasn't.
Gav wasn't the. People coming from all over
Lancashire and and beyond. What Gav?
Gav couldn't get well. I think my final point before.
We conclude this episode. There's been a few messages come
(58:03):
in on social media about Gav's had a problem at the weekend
with getting a he's gone out fora few pints with some young lads
and ends up getting a loads of blisters because of his new
trainers and and has to hobble out as a pub and get a taxi home
on his own because of his blisters were hurting him.
So I hope your blisters are getting better, Gav.
(58:26):
You know, I hope it works out OKfor you because they look around
us on this video that someone sent there.
So I'm nothing else to add. I'll just come round to you too
if we can just talk. If there's anything else you
want to add around cricket or anything else I've forgot.
I've enjoyed this tonight. Just the three of us for an
hour. Do anything before we close it
off? No.
(58:46):
Obviously, I'm looking forward to Sunday bank holiday weekend,
potential league clinching game on Sunday, Joe.
I don't know if you know Joe, but we can actually win the
league on Sunday. I know you've not looked at the
table, but so, yeah, just reallylooking forward to that.
And obviously there'll be plentyof people there and there'll be
a few bevvies being consumed, I would imagine.
(59:08):
Would it be in a bank holiday? Yeah.
Brilliant. Yeah, good point that.
Because it'll go out before then.
So it's Rochdale at home. Half 12 start on Sunday, get
yourself down, support the lads and then we can celebrate,
hopefully with them after the game.
If not, it'll go on to the week after.
Joe Martin. Anything you want to finish up
on? No, just just so.
(59:30):
They're always difficult games against Rochdale, so we've got
to be got to make sure that we play well.
So yeah. Are you going to be there on
Sunday, Jess? Yeah, we are.
Yeah. I'm coming.
Or Chippy. 'S coming over, I'm going to
come down in vans and I think we're going to stop over, maybe
have some breakfast and stop over.
Very nice. What if God will be there?
(59:53):
Depends on his blisters. I think so everyone, thanks ever
so much for listening. We will be doing a podcast next
week. We'll hopefully get this out
before the end, before the Rochdale game.
So thanks everyone for listeningand keep subscribing and
whatever else you do. And but also if you think of any
guests, any ex players, any ex or any supporters.
(01:00:19):
That you want us to approach to come on then just give us a
shout. So thanks everyone for
listening. Gordon.
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Gordon. Send more house to save the
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