May 21, 2025 • 56 mins
This week on Housecast, we dive into one of the most unforgettable games in Lowerhouse history — the wild weekend win over Walsden!Joe Martin, Paddy Martin, and Joey Hawke join us to relive that finish, talk through the madness in the middle, and (very calmly) insist they were “always confident” of getting us over the line.We break down the drama, the brotherly heroics, and the moment the tide turned. Was it composure? Chaos? Pure House spirit? You decide.Many thanks to our sponsors: • 🟡 Spoonful of Sweets – www.spoonfulofsweets.co.uk • 🔵 Birchall Foodservice – www.birchallfoodservice.co.uk • 🟡 Milltown Pies – facebook.com/MillTownPiesGrab a brew, press play, and enjoy a belting episode filled with laughs, disbelief, and a bit of magic from the Martins & Hawke.#UTH 💛💙
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Morden Morden, send more house to save.
The house. Come on.
The house. The Welcome to the House cast,
we initially thought we'd do oneevery fortnight or even a month,
but the way the cricket season'sgoing, it's we could almost do
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one every three days. The different things that are
coming out and what's happening,it's so good to say.
I do, genuinely, and I want to speak to some of our guests
about this. The weather does help and the
pitch conditions does help with the way the games have gone and,
you know, games of our lifetime or whatever else you want to
call it. It's amazing how we're not even
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in June and we've had some fantastic games.
So we decided to record again. Thanks, Dutch, for the support.
And yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
You're a proper doer. So thanks very much, Dutch.
I think it's the right thing to do.
You agree? Don't nod your head.
It's an audio podcast. This dude I.
Didn't know you were coming to me specifically.
Sorry, Jess. Yeah, of course I agree.
I think I think we should. I think we should do one every
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week, win, lose or draw. Right.
It does get difficult when it's,you know, when it's a boggy
pitch and game's been crap and we've fallen asleep.
But it does help. But no, I agree, let's try and
do it because of other stuff going on.
You know the where the seconds are going.
I just want to talk about the seconds now if I can.
I'm not sure who sat in Adams front room there.
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But anyway, second team. How fantastic is that?
I'm doing some research this morning.
You know, it's obviously they were top of the league Last
week. We did the podcast at Declan on
came across so well. And this week they beat on the
Sunday beat Wolston at Wolston. What a great knock from Will
Norcross. 128 of 118 balls in our total of 255.
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Hi Joe Martin, have you spoke toanyone about that same team win?
Can you give us an update as to what went on I?
Spoke to Deck Stanley this morning.
I sent him a message to congratulate them on the win
because it was a really good win, especially when two of the
players and moved up into the first team.
Yeah, so obviously we'll know. Cross battered extremely well
and and Deck took a fight for himself.
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So really good, really good teamperformance and I'm Wilson.
Wilson are a good side. So it was a it was a good win.
Good work from the second team, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'm already only doing the scoreboard scorecard
reading, but you know, 200 and 5545 overs is a fair old score.
But they've they've had a go then you know, they're opening
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batters got 81. But again, great work by Declan
who Yeah, it was a great off spinner when he was a young kid
and carried on and you know 16515 sixteen looked like it
going to be great. Hospital went off the boiler a
little bit and batting came on but A5 for so so second team are
still there at the top of the league.
Whilst that is a fantastic achievement, you know we can't
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get away from talking about whathappened on on Saturday.
So for the listeners, the Waltonat home game was played on
Saturday because our first team were in the LCF away at Penrith
on the Sunday. So things get moved around a
little bit. I think it works and and you
know what a what a great build up to the game.
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The pitch was looking great. It was going a lot of sun
coloured everywhere. I was hoping it wasn't going to
break up and and have no banks there at all.
Did you watch any of it Gaz? Welcome and thanks for joining
us. Did you watch much Gaz on the
stream? When Adam got his act together
after first innings, Yeah, Dark seriously probably caught best
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part at game. Second innings.
Yeah. Thriller.
Wonderful. Yeah, Yeah, it was.
And as I said, they were, you know, the pitchers looking so
great. And we'll come on to our guests
in a minute. What it's like to play on those
pitches. It's almost regular now.
You know, good cricketers, competitive cricketers want to
play on that. So it's a fair, you know, it's a
fair track. You know, you, whatever you put
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in, whether you're batting a bowl and you'll get the benefit
from it. So without further ado, let me
introduced our well, you know Joe Martin's on here, but I
think I'd like him to be a guesttonight.
Not a host, but with you Joe in the the Joe Martin room is your
brother Paddy. Hiya, Paddy.
Hi. Joe, you're all right.
Really good. Thank you.
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Yeah, I feel a little bit, oh, you 2 sat in there after what
you did on Saturday, but we'll go into that in more detail.
And what's your view on the way the pictures are going, you
know, with there's been no rain.So they are, they are probably a
little bit bearer than with light, but they produce good,
good cricket games. You know, what's your view over
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the last three or four weeks, the way it's gone with the
pictures. I think it's a lot better
because it doesn't when there's a lot of rain around and stuff
like that can be a bit little bit of a level iconic really.
You get probably shouldn't happen.
You get game shortened. So it makes it a little bit more
tricky to set yourselves up for it.
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So when it's a makes a bit more of a fairer contest.
I think when it's when it's likeit is at the minute.
Yeah, I think you've been a bit modest that Paddy, and as you
know, I genuinely mean this, that he the better cricketers
and the ones who can push themselves.
You know, I'll come on to some of the Wolves and players when I
say that it's not just about us,it does bring out the best of
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you. I think mediocre cricketers can
play on those those difficult wickets if you want all the wet
wickets. But no, I agree.
What the square doesn't seem to break up as much Paddy as he
going back years. We did have dry spells, believe
it or not, but it used to turn to sand a little bit and and
just didn't bounce at all. Has that changed because of the
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work that's got into them in in your view I?
Think so because even up to lastyear, sort of dry wickets in the
second-half of the innings of turn, really dusty.
It's a really difficult chase. I mean, it's still difficult
chasing down here because of howlow it gets, but definitely
holding together I think a little bit more.
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They're not turning into those dust bowls that you get later in
the summer when it's in July. And it's really difficult to
chase anything under anything over 150, really.
So yeah, it's yeah, I think there's a big difference, so.
Yeah. And again, that, you know, let's
look at, you know, the, the spectators, probably since
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COVID, you know, 2020, the, the spectators, the community
spirits, that's that, you know, again on week on Saturday,
there's probably 500 people watching, all boozing, all
spending money. And he does generate back into
the, you know, back into the club and and money can be spent
on the the ground and make thesepictures as good as the possibly
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couldn't be even the outfield aswell.
Paddy's, you know, I mean, it's bizarre to watch almost someone
plays a big shot and it balls bouncing through the outfield
and so quick. But there's bits of sand coming
up. You know, we never saw that.
It used to be bits of mud or, you know, the odd daffodil or
the the odd mouse coming out of the water.
How's that fielding on there now?
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Is it rock hard on the outfield?Yeah, it's horrific, to be
honest. Yes, but yeah, I saw Roger
cutting the outfield the other day and it was just a trail of
dust behind him. I don't really know if it's even
cutting it, it's that dry. But it's it's difficult because
as soon as someone gets in and they're away, it's really
difficult, especially this ground, because they're the
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little pockets you get around. It's difficult stopping.
Somebody's going well on this this outfield now.
Yeah. And I suppose, you know, Gary,
we go back to our days early, you know, in the.
It's in the in your Dick in the you know, in the in the 90s and
and you know it was the opposite.
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You would be running and you disappear down a pothole or you
know, what were they call where the the the whole there used to
be a big old appear something sink and with off break our
ankle. You remember those days, Gary,
And then obviously the the reservoir that used to appear at
the bottom. Oh yeah, fond memories of that
jazz. Fond memories.
Whereas now it's all about how dry it is.
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So but the reason is it is uneven.
You're right Paddy. So it is difficult, but you
know, let's get on to the the game.
So we'll come on to the the lastguess who's on And a lad who has
played for us for a lot of years, junior coming through as
young as I can remember, a greatcricketer playing really well
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12131415 and has developed into a top amateur.
Went away proing for a little bit, which is all credit to the
lad and comes back now and he's phenomenal what he puts into the
into the team. OK Joe welcome to the house
cast. How are you doing?
I'm. Very well, Jeremy yourself.
Yeah, all good. Thank you.
Yeah, all good. Excited watching that cricket
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now. I don't want to miss any of it.
No, I don't want to be late. I've I was.
I didn't get there for the starton on Saturday, but what's it
like to play in that side now? You know, you're, you're
probably one of the more experienced players.
You play a vital role, you know,at certain times.
What's it like playing in there now?
Yeah, it's, it's unreal. To be fair, the talent in that
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side's absolutely phenomenal. I mean, I was speaking to Manage
a couple of weeks ago and I was saying it reminds me of that
2014 team with the likes of MattWalker and Ferg.
You've got Tom Walker, a year old, and Charlie Gansler, Henry
Cotton. There's just talent everywhere
you look. Yeah.
And do you, do you nurture that?Do you give advice?
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Do you talk through different parts of your experience in your
game or do you just carry on as?I actually don't know.
I don't say much, to be fair, which is quite surprising.
I just sit back and let it all happen, to be honest.
You've got some, you've got somebig characters in that changing
rooms. I like to obviously bend and
down and Johnny Whitehead and then you've got managed giving
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his advice. So yeah, just stay quiet and get
on with it. Which is, which is fantastic.
How old are you now, Walker? May 35 night.
Alright, so you know, if we go back to the days, you know, you
will accept this. And I mean, this is a
compliment. You've always been gapped as a
brush. You play the game really hard.
You've always got and you know, some attitude to the game which
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is really good and you're funny with it.
You know you're a real character.
You'll come out with daf things.So you're genuinely just leave
it to the others and enjoy it and then just perform like you
did on Saturday. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Stride when I can and obviously
my roles changed a lot now in that team.
Obviously Tom Walker and Charliecoming through.
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I just yeah, yeah. When I'm needed on by Ben, I'll
try and perform to my best. So let's before we go into the
game because it interests me this, you know, myself and I
think Dutch was there as well. Like if you mentioned about the
great side in 2014 that won the league, that must be difficult
to adapt to. You know, you were the main
strike bowler. You know, you'd some really good
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pace about you. You were hostile and you would
get yourself fit and ready to bowl it so you could literally
go a couple of games and not, you know, if we get battered or
we win easily. You're not really used.
You're not, you're not, you know, you know, you're not going
to be in the top 8 as a batter. How do you sack yourself up
mentally for that type of, you know, ready for the game when
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you can just happen in three weeks or.
It's a good question. To be fair, the way the way I
approached the game hasn't really changed just because my
roles changed. I mean, I know Ben can throw me
the ball at any point during thegame and I know that I'll be
ready to perform to my best of my ability.
And then obviously when it comesto the batting, I've never
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really practised. Should we say I just go in and
try and play the situation to the best liability?
And you do, you know, we can go into the, that is probably
Saturday, probably the fifth game I've watched, which is an
outstanding performance from youpersonally to get the lads
across the line, you know, and I, you know, cracking.
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We can't get the stats up and think about it now, but there's
not many others who've done it once, never mind five times in
really big games. Where's the cup finals, you
know, top league games like thisweekend.
And, and, and it's a credit to you that you you are relatively
cool about it now when you can just deal with a moment, which
is quite scary for the opposition.
Joe Martin what? And I know he's on the call.
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He's OK being accurate there Is he being truthful that he's just
laid back and let's all the other characters get on with it.
Yeah, I think so. I think that's very fair
assessment of how that team operates at the minute and it
just makes sure everybody can dowhat they want to be ready to
play at the weekend. So yeah, it's very easy going.
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Yeah, it's always been easy going.
It's always been a really good fun, but I think it's a real
skill and the three of you, you know, the three of you on this
call, which is an absolute pleasure for us to talk to you
and the you know, the spectatorswill will want to listen for how
the game went. But you know, you 9/10/11
potentially. And historically, we can only go
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on stats history. You know, people could go 10
games at 9:10 and 11:00 and either not bat or you're chasing
150 and you know it's dog shit that you know you're not you've
wasted another weekend because you're not bowled or you've not
battered and it and it's so difficult, but you 3 have kept
yourself in the zone ready for these song of occasion.
So I want to talk through the game and just jump into the
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three of you as we go through asquickly as I can Dooch you've
you know, you've watched so muchquicker.
You were, you know, an outstanding skipper for us and
one, you know, a lot of trophies.
How do you see this season goingas the way that you know, we've
had at least two, if not three really outstanding games,
including the the one that we got beaten.
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It seems unreal to me. What's your thoughts on it?
I. Think it's a bad product of how
good the league is really. I think I think the league's
excellent. I think the teams are.
I've got a lot more strength in depth than maybe in previous
years or maybe teams in the bottom division and we're
obviously a really good case in point there for strength yet and
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Saturday sort of proves that. But all the teams or the teams
at the top, you know, Burnley were in a similar position to us
a few weeks ago. I can't remember who they were
playing against, but they needed14 for the last pair and their
last Pell, Barrett and Fergus, both of them are very, very good
players. So I think I think the league's
got got stronger, there's more strength in depth in each of the
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top sides and that's sort of bringing about, you know, these
games that that look like they're going one way and end up
and end up going in another direction.
I just think that's a bad product of how good the league
is now. It is.
It's a great point. We've mentioned, I don't know,
on the last few podcasts, as youknow, the players that are in
there, you're not carrying anyone.
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They're not. You know, I know, I know the the
second division might be a little bit different, but in,
you know, in that top division in the Premier League, there is,
you know, everyone's will. You know, you look at Rami were
struggling a little bit this year who just got promoted, but
they have a good side, you know,fielding at top of that order.
There's some good players in there.
So now it's it's a great point and that's why I suppose it it's
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so entertaining to watch. Let's go through the the actual
game. So they win the toss and
obviously back and I say obviously, you know, great track
and it was still relatively warm.
I think there's no cloud about it wasn't as warm as it's been.
But it's a big task taxing to, you know, to, to play in those
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conditions and to, to manage it all.
Paddy, you, you open the bowl inhere.
Was there a solid reason behind that?
Cause Charlie Gansl has done it previously.
Was it a change because of the pitch?
I don't think so. I think it's more just on the
day sort of thing. So they've got a left-hander at
1:00, left-hander at 3:00. Yeah.
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Who in theory I should be betterbowling at.
So yeah, I think that comes intoit.
And also if it's I think I can bowl a little bit tighter than
Charlie with it being spin. So it means, you know, a bit of
a bit of an attack from that end.
And I suppose that's, you know, Cracker, we're never going to
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give any of your tactics or secrets away.
But you know, Wolston are a quite aggressive side, a little
bit like ourself and to hold theball back a little bit.
And if it is going to dust earlyon the spinners, you know,
you've got a bit of a chance. And I'm sure Ben would have
swapped it quite early. And but it's quite good to see
Tom Walker pushing yourself off site screen and bowling out so
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some serious pace. What's it like?
OK with with Tom Walker you usedto be like you'd, you'd run in
from sight screen and try and knock people's head off.
Is it a pleasure to watch him? Do you chat to him as he's
bowling? No, I'll leave Tom to it.
To be fair, he's one on his own.But yeah, it's great to see
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he's, Yeah, he's just a, he's a good lad.
He's a character. But yeah, it's really good to
see him running in from side screens and you've got a bit of
a bit of swagger about him, a bit of an attitude, but he he
completely backs it up. So good on him and.
You're right that he you know, because he does sometimes he
gets a little bit, you know, maybe bowling a short ball too,
too, too often when you know when it should be, you know,
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bowling to Joe Martin. He's got so many caught behinds
off Joe, not just on Saturday, but that's the attitude of a
really quick bowl and certainly those first 456 overs.
It works a treat. So you've got Josh Gale out
early on Paddy, he's a good player.
It's good to see, good to see the back of him and and and the
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other opener. You've caught him behind the
stumps, John Nick, Nick Barker and and before you know, the
games really started in the red hot day and a great pitch that
you know they're 2 for seven. You thought then Joe Martin, you
know, were you still thinking? Now we need to stick in this and
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we're not going to roll them. I think, I mean I said all last
week Rammy Moles done are a verygood team.
They got all the way down #11 they're a very aggressive team.
So they, I don't think they wereever going to sit in regardless
of their loss. So you've just got to kind of
keep going and they've got some really destructive players.
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And you know, Jake, who got, whogot 60 odds of a very, very
good, that's one period of time.So they were never, they were
never out of it. And as was, as was shown and,
and I think a lot of the teams in the league are like that, as,
as, as Dutch mentioned that it'sa really good standard.
There are lots of good teams in in there and even if you get
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them 3-4 down, 5 down, that can come in and get them to a score
that they can bowl. At SO.
Yeah, I don't think we let off or or even.
No, but it is a spectators, you know, when they end at all.
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Let me just go back because the pros coming in and you're right,
Jacobson's a great player, you know, but they are 25 for 4/31
for five. I'm, you know, I'm thinking this
and if they get 120, good on them.
And the way that you know, certainly where Johnny and Ben
go out and and are so positive alittle bit of a Middleton game,
but that you're 100% right. That's why you're still playing
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and I'm sat watching that you'vegot you cannot switch off their
pro. You caught him behind Joe off
Tom Walker. Great catch.
It was, yeah. It wasn't too bad standard.
No, it looked. It even looked it.
I mean, you can back, can't it? Kira Handage where my last
Sectra. Yeah, he's he's a good player
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looking at what he's done before, but he's gone for five.
Olsted's gone for one. And then Josh's brother Joe GAIL
has gone for two. And I want to mention talk about
him in a minute. And then, you know, they've
they've pulled it together a little bit and and then, you
know, they're not going for it. But it's, you know, they're
still being relatively positive but they want to see if they can
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bat as many overs. Am I right in thinking Paddy
they had a few first team is missing as well?
Question, Jess. I think they had a couple.
Yeah, Shaq. Shaq weren't playing where he
and Cam Anson. Elliot didn't play.
So it was good to say that you know, the, the, the younger lads
that came in that just stuck around with Houston, you know,
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the I. Mean that lad as well.
Jess on on Sunday against the second team.
Yeah, yeah, That were Brownwood,weren't it?
Yeah, yes, as Miles Bramwood, you know, stuck around for a
long time. It was a good knock that.
I mean, I'm just trying to to work out, you know what they put
on there. You know, they put on an 80 odd
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on a barcode, they put on 80 oddand then they put on 40 odd with
Bramwood. And then, you know, he got to
the the stage where I thought Houston was just going to hang
around and let the 910 Jack, butaround him and then maybe go
mental in the last two or three overs.
Once he's, you know, 60 or 17, try and get 280.
Did he go a bit early, do you think?
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OK, Houston. I won't say so, no.
I mean he batted well, but I don't think he'd given a chance
at he up until then. He'd bat really.
So it was obviously backing himself.
It's a few lost. He blows off Tom from the park
end so he's obviously his confidence was I was striking it
well so yeah, why not carry on? Yeah, and we don't know what
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faith he's got in those lower order batsman.
I just, you know, but I I was really confident that 150 was
nowhere near enough for not as much as the Middleton game, but
I was happy that we were going to, you know, going to knock
those off quite easily. You know, Paddy, you 2 for 34 or
13 on those tracks is outstanding.
You know, Tom Walker's got a 5 for their bowling. 14 overs at
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that pace is, you know, is difficult dance, you know, come
in with, you know, around 3 and over.
So personally a great performance.
They probably got more than anticipated after the first
hour. But then we open the batting,
you know, just Joe Martin. Just talk us through Joe Gale
and the way he bowls and the wayhis attitude is to the game.
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You know, we all know the great cricketers, him and his brother,
his dad Kenny I used to play against.
They were at backup. They don't give up, do they?
No, no, definitely not really skillful, skillful bowlers
swings, swings the ball away andhe especially when he's coming
from the car park end and ball really well.
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First up, I think he really tests, he can really test
batters techniques and he he balls quite a quite sharp.
He's not he's not slow and he hits the pitch hard.
Yeah, real test was a very good ball.
Yeah, and he was putting everything in, weren't, you
know, like I said, it was warm. He was, you know, potentially
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thinking we need to ball you outin 30 overs.
We need to really get through you and and bore you out.
So he was, you know, he really was bending his back and a great
performance. And then their pro Paddy coming
on from the the park end, you know, he looked tight.
I'm not I'm not suggesting he had anyone in massive amount of
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trouble, but he was very tight. And then, you know, he gets
Henry out and we're 30 for two. What was the feeling in the
dressing room then, Paddy? Well, we off what was what was
that wicket of Henry's eight over something like that.
Yeah, yeah, lots to go. So I mean 120 or 42 orbits with
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eight wickets left and be fairlyroutine really.
Yeah, that was my thoughts just.So then Ben gets bowled by by
Joe Gale. You know, it looks a cracker out
down at deep backward point and it looks a great ball.
Ben's come down the track and he's bowled him.
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You know, at that stage, you know, we need some.
Is that someone's washing machine?
Certainly it might just. And I'm in the van.
Be a chemical toilet, We've got one.
We've got a Lenovo bottle. Hey, just mute yourself Joe
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Martin and OK, press your screenand then press the microphone
button. Not right hand corner.
That's it. It's gone off now.
Oh, no, it's right. It's yours.
OK, so leave yourself on you andthen we can we'll just bring you
back in. So then there's a crazy run out
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from from down. Obviously I don't want you to
give secrets When I leave it to either Joe or Paddy, the same
some frustration from Dan seemedas if, you know, he thought it
was a run. Was it a run?
I don't know. But then he's he's slipped
because the surface is so, so hard.
What happened when he got in dressing room?
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I don't want to. I don't want to flag anything.
But I wasn't watching at the time.
I was talking to Louis Moss, so I didn't see him yet, and I was
on the other. Side over to you then, Paddy.
I don't. I don't know if it were wrong or
not. Possibly might have got there,
might not got in, but I was always taught if the process
run, you'd run. Did he slip?
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Oh, big style. Yeah, Lewis said.
He slept because I wasn't watching.
Yeah, he's off way down. He probably I think he would
have probably been run out with a good throw and the stomper
takes it, but he slept and so he's miles off.
But he's clearly absolutely fuming because he looked like he
was set and on that sort of pitch, potentially 607018 that
out and and just just walk it for us.
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But then we'll go through, you know, Henry's got actually the
LBW, which I think fair to Henrywalked before the umpire put his
finger up and Tom and Charlie and really toxic get out quite
cheap and Charlie Cotton gets out caught and bowled And you
three are left in the dressing room.
The three of you. Any discussions going on between
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the three of you and I'll leave it to you 3 to decide who tells
us. Well, I didn't have any
discussions with anybody. No, I was just, I was just kind
of start watching. Did you know what number you
were batting, Paddy? Yeah.
I seem to recall walking in and just looking at Hawking saying,
what's going on here, Joe? Because yeah, it all happened
very quickly really, didn't it? It was.
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Well, there were thirty others left.
Weren't there when? Yeah, by the time we came, I.
Went to him after 17 over so there was loads of time left.
Yeah, just unravelled back quickly to.
Yeah, I was. I was still pretty confident
though. Like, I don't know.
I don't know what it is about us, but yeah, I mean, we're
about all the way to 11, don't we?
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So. Yeah.
Like you said, it's 30 odd. Others left.
There was a good batting track. The Hawker you do, you know
you're batting 11 when Charlie'sout at six.
Well, no, before that. Before that, when as Tom and and
and Gansler out, are you aware you're #11 Because I know that
swaps around a little bit, whether it's Joe Martin or if
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Tox is down there. Did you know you're batting at
11? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, OK, I probably held about 3 or 4 times this year, so
I'm happy being at 11. It doesn't bother me at all, no.
No, no, it's just the mindset really that I'm trying to get
out. And so we've got, you know, with
63 for seven, Charlie's in with,well, no, probably 60 for for
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six with Charlie and toxic. Toxic gets out and then Charlie
gets gets out and Patty, you, you've gone in there, as you've
said, Joe Martin, there is so many overs left and you're all
still, you know, correct players, you you know, you are
quality and what you do. But all spectators were talking
it through and and your sister walked past about 14 times Joe
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and Paddy saying now we're goingto go here, Jesse, we're going
to do it. We're going to do it.
And it's difficult because you've only got you've got one
mistake or one real absolute jaffer or something bizarre
happens. You know, you get run out
backing up. Is that in your mind?
So Paddy and Joe, you've got together at 63, so we're 63 for
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eight. What you're talking about you 2
when you're out there. I think one of the first things
I said to Joyce Joe, this shouldbe fairly straightforward.
We need 2 and half and over, yeah.
Our kind of tempo. This.
There's 30 overs left. The only issue is, is only mean
you. Yeah.
Yeah. There's only two wickets left,
so if we just bat fairly sensibly then it should be
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fairly straightforward. What do you mean there's only
more room? Well, the issue was OK, I didn't
know if you got your bag out of the car yet or not.
It takes up too much room in that changing room.
And I was walking out the back hockey were going for his bag
out of the car you're. Going to get his pants in his
back and. Just before that Jazz.
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Do you win, Charlie? It doesn't matter the situation,
I always think we're going to win.
If Charles is it the crease, I just have a real great player.
I just have a real confidence and he was batting really what
he started the season brilliantly.
I get that joke and you're all great players, you can do all
that, but it is literally one mistake.
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It's something bizarre that you know, that could happen.
But certainly, I mean, I'll tellyou my view when you 2 are
batting. You looked so calm and cool and
you weren't bothered. If you you know, if you're not
back, you know, 10 dot balls or there were three maidens in the
state, you know, in in in a fouror five over spell.
You know, you look cool and calmabout it.
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But then Paddy say again, Joe, good.
Time on our side, that's the thing.
A lot of overs, a lot of overs to bat.
How many do we need? 90 I think when?
We Yeah, you did 90. So you're undervaluing what
you've done, Joe. You're undervaluing it.
It's difficult. It wasn't.
A bad wicket, Jess. I mean, that's the other thing.
The ball wasn't turning a lot. It wasn't like, you know,
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sometimes you go in when you're 64, eight and balls turning past
your head and you've got to try.No, we just lost 7 wickets for
33. Yeah, I know that.
But that happened so, but so thepitch was fine, but their pro
had also bowled quite a lot of overs as well.
It was always threatening, but it bowled a lot of overs.
We didn't really discuss any tactics at all.
We're just looking at the score and trying to work in 10s.
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So can we get it down to 80 and then obviously as you go down
and then can we get a point, tryand get a batting point and then
yeah. What what you're saying Joe, is
you know, I accept it all and you did look cool and the fans
would think you were cool, but it was exceptional the way you
cope with it, the way that. And so I want to move on now.
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Dude. Have you anything else before I
move on to to their bowlers about the situation.
I I don't feel it's right that Joe Martens underselling what
him and Paddy did even for just like two or three overs.
What's your thoughts, Duke? Yeah, I completely agree with
you Jess. I wasn't actually at the game on
Saturday, I was following it on play cricket with me and Blaze
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were out and I pretty much give gave up on it when we were 63
for eight. I have to be honest, I didn't
really give as much chance from there just because we just lost
7 wickets for 30. But then we kept periodically
checking the score and I said toBlaise, what, what do you think?
At what point do the walls and players get a bit twitchy here?
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Because when when we're 63 for eight, there were they would
have been absolutely Cocker hoop.
They would not have been one thought in their brain that they
would not win that game from 63 for eight, no chance.
So where how many do we have to get before the doubts start
creeping in to the walls and lads?
And I said, I said, I thought ifwe get 210 and Paddy and Joe
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still in then that that would bea bit of a, a flip in the
dynamic of the game. Yeah, I was just trying to
picture what I would be like in that field and in that in that
situation. So the fact that we got past
that and then and then and then we still have hockey to come
after that obviously, you know, was, was was crucial.
Yeah, I think, dude, if I can, you know, I don't whether the
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three players will. Well, we'll add to this.
Wolsden were absolutely fantastic.
They stuck at it like I've not seen you.
You're right. Once, you know, saying, say gets
a hundred 110 and these two are still like, 'cause I mean, it
makes it worse. You're probably better off with
a a Hawkey and a mat up gobbing off to you saying how how sharp
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you. Are.
And then it keeps them going. It keeps them going.
But you've John Paddy, who just didn't look in any trouble,
weren't bothered about passing it back because with lots of
always. But I cannot praise enough how
Joe GAIL came back for two or three different spells is really
blowing. He's, you know, he's bowled a
lot in in the conditions that he's bowling, but came back and
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came back. They're pro, you know, was was
bowling really well. I know what you're saying, Joe
Martin, that he's not turning it.
But we weren't getting a lot of runs.
And I accept what you're saying now.
We weren't going to get you out well.
He could have got me out at any point.
Most footballers can. But no, it's just that I thought
it, it wasn't like the, it wasn't like the pitch was
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massively in their favour. So you could, you could bat on
it and keep batting if you just about, you know, the decisions
that you make and often dictate and some of the decisions that
they made as well. You know, I mean, I think, I
think they were going to put a gully in at one point.
It's a bit of this is a bit of an obscure point, but they're
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going to put a gully in at one point and they started against
it and put him back on the on the field.
They bowled a slightly wider onethat I hit straight to straight
to gulley that bounced to where he was fielding.
So it's it was decisions that, you know, couldn't change a
game, I guess in any point. So I think that's, I think
that's the point I was trying tomake in that you could.
OK, Yeah. Massively in their favour.
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Yeah. And if he's fine lines, pitch
wasn't. Yeah, but it's fine lines.
Those are real fine, fine pointsthat can change a game just
because of a good feeling or, you know, good.
I thought they managed the bowling changes really well.
We saved the pro for three oversand then we were all thinking
he's going to come on and ball one and then come back off or is
he going to bowl through. But they were clearly understood
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that you 2 could bat, and I knowthey would know that before the
game. But you weren't looking in any
trouble. And, you know, and Joshua came
on to ball and I saw Houston bowled quite well in his early
spell, I think. You know, I thought he was, you
know, bowling the right length, the right pace.
Like I said, it's not turning a lot, but he was bowling in the
right areas and when I can't, I was really confident in you all,
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but I wasn't convinced we were going to win it.
I just thought it's one mistake here.
You just need it and then when we turn down, it's extra
pressure. I know OK can handle that
pressure, but it's, it's difficult to get 30-40 fifty
runs, no matter how many overs you've got when they are a good
side, a quality side. And that's why it was such a
shock when Paddy got out. And if you don't mind, Paddy,
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I'll, I'll describe it and then I'll ask you to to, to say what
happened. You too was almost costing it
with one or two and over. And then there was a great shot
for a boundary. And then all of a sudden it
seemed it's either it's either stopped in the picture a little
bit or it came off your middle of the the middle of your bat
too well, you know, and you get caught like a short cover.
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Is that accurate? Yeah, I think I just stopped on
it a little bit. I could see orcas marching up
and down on the decking. But.
Yeah, really what I should have just gone through this shot gone
over. Yeah, yeah, like.
The similar shot they over. No, just again, for the, you
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know, for the for the listeners because they love listening to
you players when we've done whatwhat you've done, what changes
what changed that shot from the shot you did previously?
I know the answer, but I just you know, they would want to
know. I've come in so different.
The only plan I'd had when I wasbatting was not hit a ball in
the end and I didn't hit one ball in the air until just not
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quite. The problem with Joe, when he
came back on there, he was stillgoing to swing away a little
bit, right? And that one just went enough
that he just waited a little bitlong long to change.
I think, you know, I think what we what we could say as ex
players and players is that he you don't know why there's no
real reason we can't work out what changes between a shot and
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and another shot might be a little bit of the bowlers
ability, something changing the pitch.
And but that happens. And that's why, you know, the
game of cricket is as good as itis.
It can change the the drop of the hat.
So 131 we're still in the 22. OK, what's going through your
mind? To be honest, I thought Joe and
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Paddy were going to knock him off so.
Yeah. Our relatively calm, but then
obviously Paddy's got out and yeah, it's like you've been
saying, obviously I'm walking out at #11 which you haven't
done that often. And I'm thinking one error by
myself or join it's game over, or one Jaffa, it's game over.
So yeah, yeah, just one of them do.
You want to strike during them situations or or would you be
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happy for Joe, the other job to take it?
OK, I'm talking to you. Do you do you want the ball in
there or are you happy to get down the other end?
At the start, I'm happy to get down the other end.
Obviously Joe's been in, got himself in looking $1,000,000.
So if he wants to take the strike early, daughters, that's
fine. But I'm one of those batters
where if I hit my first boundary, I'm usually all right.
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But yeah, in those early stages,I'd probably say for Joe to take
the strike because he's been in a lot longer than me.
Yeah and I think just going backto what you were saying due to
you were chatting to Blaze aboutgetting to you know hundred 110
there, you know their peckers are down, they can't get the
cell motivated. They carried on, they really did
and it was only probably 2 oversbefore Paddy were out when they
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started getting a bit fed up andthey were quiet and not and not
being as vocal and in the umpires he is.
And Paddy and Joe, you're right OK, they did want it by that
stage. Once Paddy's out, they back at
it, they need 22 runs and it's, you know, it's anyone's mistake
then and they've got I think didthey have, did their pro have
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two overs left there? OK when you came in?
Yes, I think so. Yeah, he did.
He did. I remember now because, and
again, douche, just to describe it, Orki was even like Jeff
Boycott against him. They were absolutely fantastic.
He just wasn't going to take a risk.
I don't think he would have got him out because as Joe Martin
said, the pitch was so good, buthis wife take a risk.
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There's umpteen overs left. He just managed the situation
and I think that really not the stuffing out of him.
OK, You know they were thinking.You know, you're a great batter,
you've you're aggressive that you'll take him on and you
didn't, you know it was it was all credit to you.
Joe Martin, what were you, what were your thoughts when hockey's
doing what he's doing? And you're you will obviously a
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bad ball, you'll put it away. A good ball, you'll just work it
around. Did you ever feel that one
mistake, one Jaffa? Do we need to push on?
Do we need to accelerate here and take on, you know, whether
it's Josh Gale or, or the other lad, the Barker that came on?
Did you ever feel we needed to be more aggressive?
No, again, because we had so much time to bat.
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I think one of the one of the kind of differences or the
swings that you have as being packed, batting together.
And then I mean hope is that when you when you go in needing
90, the the kind of risk and reward is a little bit greater,
I guess in that, yeah, play yourshots a bit more knowing that if
you get out and. And by that I mean I don't mean
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reckless shots and hit, hit boundaries and, and try and
attack a bit more to try and getyou close.
Knowing that if you get out thatthere are things that have
happened earlier in the game that mean that not on not really
your fault, as I said, but it means that you can play with a
little bit more freedom. But then as you start getting
closer, the risk becomes greaterbecause of kind of.
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Weight and the expectation. Yeah, absolutely.
So certainly how I felt when I was batting that I probably
played with a lot less freedom as we got towards 3020 and a
case of still there was a lot ofovers left, there was still 10,
yeah. That's a good thing about
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batting we all if he's in for 10balls, he's going to be on 10th
as soon as there's a ball in these areas.
Well, they nearly out scored us.That's what he does really well.
So that that helps you? Yeah.
All the pressure took your faces.
But he batted the pro superbly. Just said you said.
Just it was, it was. And he's not reckless, Paddy,
you're right there. And as I've alluded to the other
3 or 4 big games that he's contributed massively to, he's
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not reckless with it. You know, the shots that were
played. And I also have missed this
point that I wrote down, Paddy, the, the, the sweep shots that
you were playing, which you know, weren't, you know, you
weren't playing traditional sweet shots, but you went two,
if not three shots towards square leg and backwards square,
which were outstanding shots. And that took a lot of pressure
after that. Paddy, I meant to mention that
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earlier, but you're right, Orki comes in, but sensibly.
And, and between the three of you, you know, you've, you've
got, you've hit 13 fours, which is a massive amount of, of that
total and makes up for those, you know, for the maidens or, or
the dot balls. If I just, I don't want to
single any of our players out as, you know, as, as playing
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poor shots or anything. And what, what's the feelings of
the players because the, the crowd do change, You know,
certainly ones in front of the clubhouse that when we're losing
the wicket, what's the team's attitude there?
Do you pick up on that, that arecracking?
We're throwing this away. Is that something you pick up on
or do you just, are you focused in on your own jobs, any of you?
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Well for one, it's a team game isn't it?
So if you go out and see freight, your jobs then really
matter. Yeah, but does it affect you?
Does it affect you if you're getting, do you get any of, do
you get any of the noise that, you know, we're playing
recklessly and we're not, we're not, we're not going to win this
because we're too reckless. Do you get that vibe as players?
We don't hear anything, do we? I mean, the way Ben and Ben and
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Southie have instilled like justthe way the way we bat now is we
just take every bowler on basically, yeah.
If we get out playing a shot which we think is right to that
ball, so be it. In comes the next one.
Yeah, which that, you know, it'sa quality that other teams will
fear and it's good that you don't get the external noise and
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you get the panicking around it.So when you've actually, you
know, I think we needed 8 and then six and then two and it
just seemed we. Needed 18.
And then, yeah, no, I mean, I'm talking about when I was
comfortable that you're going towin.
Sorry. I just thought the way you were
batting, the way Hawkey look so comfortable and they had given
up then, dude, you know, going back to your point, when we were
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about one 38140, they had been given up even though though we
were nine down and it just seemed a bit of a stroll.
It was just going to happen whenit happened.
Hockey, you know, and Joe Martincoming off the pitch.
It's a league game. We're not even in June, but it's
a real significant win. You know, it's a fantastic
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performance from from you, you 3and the team, you know, how
great is that walking off and then you're coming back on the
pitch and having a beer sat together.
What? How good is that?
OK. Oh, it's amazing.
I mean, I think in the last couple of years I think would
have probably been under and 10.I like that.
Yeah. But we're just we've got that
much confidence at the moment asa team.
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I mean, the camaraderie and things like that in the changing
rooms is second to none at the minute and we're just all having
a laugh and enjoying our crickettogether and there's nothing
better than playing me. You set a mess at the weekend
and we're just all back to each other up with none of us care.
If we don't do well on that given day.
Someone else is taking 5-6 wickets, are scoring 5080
hundred, then it's happy days. As long as the team's winning
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them, yeah, we're there for eachother.
It's brilliant and it's so good to see.
And again, like you know, I've alluded to early, it's probably
nearly 200 people around the bottom of the steps cheering you
off when you go back on And you know, another pint sat around
together. They're they're memories that
you'll treasure for a long, longtime.
And we'll wrap this up shortly. But I was going to go around
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everyone that's on just to give you, you know, for you to give
me your thoughts on on that performance and the season and
going forward. Joe Martin, a great performance
from you. Again, you you saw undersell
yourself and I know we're mates and we chat and walk Ryan but
you're 4 victims there. You're stomping really well.
You're getting close to these different landmarks and you're
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battered so well there. You don't need to comment.
All I'm saying is well done, Joe.
But I could just have that as well.
The the over the I think probably took us will likely
winners the game. Yeah, of course.
Jake's over that. He was going to hockey and he
hit the ball over mid off and harder than I've ever seen
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anybody, anybody. When I saw him walking down and
admitting at that point I wasn'tbacking up that far.
But when he hit, I thought Jesus.
And then he absolutely laced it to a field who not missed
anything all that and it sort oftook his hand with it and then
to couple off his off his legs for four to get his 12 and and
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need 6. So was brilliant and and able to
to do that. That's it.
It's a really good point that John, sorry for interrupting
you, but it's good to talk to hockey about that because I
think Houston had bowled very well.
Obviously that's a great knock. Did he lose the plot a little
bit there? He just seemed to, the pace just
didn't seem as normal. He just seemed to be firing in a
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little bit. And what were your thoughts on
that? OK, with that over when you got
12 off him? I mean, it wasn't premeditated
as such, but I did. I was saying to myself, if he's
tossing one up here, I'm I'm looking over that mid off extra
cover region and obviously the first one that came down were a
little bit tossed up. So I thought, yeah.
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But I ended up timing it a little bit too well and thought
the guy at mid off had stopped and caught everything all game.
And I thought if he's catching that then again sort of thing.
But luckily his hands and off down to boundary and then the
next couple of deliveries he fired him down Lakeside and I
managed to get a bat on it and obviously there were no short
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fine legs so they raced off down, down to the park.
Yeah, yeah. And you, you out, you out fought
him nothing. Or I I thought him and fought
him as a sentence. She never thought it's.
AI know I know, but I managed toget it out and he those two that
he fight down the lakeside of thought.
I was just looking then thinkingthat there was some wides
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involved, but it wasn't. You were just going to tickle on
it and he were flying down, you know, so I think you you're
proper out out thought in there in in getting those extra runs.
Paddy, your thoughts? Just summing up the game well.
I mean, it's probably one we should have never own.
You don't win many. Well, I think it just highlights
the fact that as soon as one or two of the top 6 get the
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batting, yeah, You know, if we're winning games where I
think anyone but no one's gone on to get that big score yet,
and that's really good display, it'll come because they put in
the hard work. Yeah, with all the games
together. Yeah, yeah, and it and it
doesn't kind of keep top of leapPaddy, so don't get too greedy.
So you're doing a good job already, you know, you do,
you're doing really well betweenyou all.
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But I understand exactly what you're saying and it's working
at it. You know, I think the weather's
changing a touch towards the endof this week and you know, who
knows how that will affect us because we are positive, you
know, the positive cricketers. Just to throw any a pad in for
people who are listening, Paddy Martin only needs 47 league runs
to get into that, 3000 runs and 300 wickets, which is a
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fantastic achievement. In fact you only need 4 wickets
to get into 400 wickets. So Paddy keep that going along.
That's fantastic and I'll come back to you as players.
Gary, what's your thoughts? I mean we and you played in some
great games. We went to season, I think,
where we had a lot of close games towards the end, but ours
were more to keep us in the above the bottom three.
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I know you're over this weekend,but watching afar, it must be a
pleasure for you to see what's with the way they're going.
Yeah, I didn't I didn't jump in through throughout all that chat
with with the three guys there because it were just it was
great to just hear that hear that unfolding as as they saw it
etcetera. But just a few observations
really on that on that game and I'll go.
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And so watch the second in is because they, like I said, the
streamer's dying for most of thefirst, but it's the lads playing
it down. I get it because in that side,
as soon as you start, you know, yeah, I'm the big guy.
I'm and all that sort of thing. You're going to get, everyone's
going to take you down, quite rightly.
But they are the three there, 3 lads, they're undressed.
It's a rarity, you know. So playing it down don't wash
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with me, you know, that sort of thing.
I know you're not boasting aboutit, but it's got to be
acknowledged that I, I got that effort was from you three guys.
So really bring, bring those 10 points home and, and I'm sure
everybody's like we're queuing up to slap you on the back or
whatever. But but boys feel good with it
because there's some shit days in cricket and those, those
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moments do last with you. So well done.
And we, we touched on it. I can't remember which game it
was early on its season. We, and we were talking about
Frankie not being there and stuff like that.
And we said looking down that order, they don't seem to be a
weakness in in that order. And you can mix up and Ben's got
so many options depending on state of the game, who's won the
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toss, what the scores are, etcetera, who we're playing,
what he can do with that battingline up.
So that's that's a real plus. And after the little and I think
personally watching the second innings, how we battered
notwithstanding there was a monumental collapse.
I reckon subconsciously a lot ofpeople in that side learn from
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the little bit game. And I'm not saying they've said,
oh, we can't go and play shots now and things like that.
But there just seem to be a few a couple as many of the reckless
shots, if we say, if we dare sayreckless, but they just seem to
be there is I don't know. I reckon subconsciously it was a
good lesson learned for we couldhave done that against little
bro probably. And I don't mean we can just
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knock those games off on the real because I've said it's a
rarity, but I reckon there was some some lesson learned there,
which is which is brilliant to see.
You know, it's not just or we'vebeen told to go out and be
ourselves and play, though, you know, some of the consequences.
I think there was there was somegood points, some good points.
The first things was, like I said, it's realistic.
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So I've only looked at the statsand we touched on like Orcie's
role and stuff like that. And I know you've sort of worked
around leave with with works to play certain games.
Jazz did it a lot and that's real commitment.
So, you know, I don't, I don't know whether Ben's sort of
factoring that into how much he uses you if you, if you're going
to be playing, you know, missingour game and things like that.
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And he wants to try other combinations.
But in a tight league that we'vecertainly we're all
acknowledged. There's a lot of good sides now
top to bottom, all our wickets in that first innings, none of
them were bowled. So we took his catchers.
There were two run outs, although one was probably like
super easy LB etcetera. So again, you know, we've we've
done the right things there in the fielding.
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Fielding may well be you know, we've already got 14 bonus
points. Have we bowled every got 10 ball
ball in bonus points? So you know that stuff like that
could be the difference at the end of the day as well.
We're all focusing on the great effort at the end of the
innings. But what if we'd have been
chasing 1617180 If if, you know,if we'd have dropped a couple of
those catch So brilliant that yeah, those are my observations
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on game, Jess. Yeah, fantastic.
We said against a little bit, even though we came off at the
wrong end of it, you know, it'd be good to watch that cricket
regularly with that, that type of stuff.
As long as we're on, we win morethan we lose, of course.
Yeah, no, great points there Gary.
And it is, you're right, you know, that is, you know, watch a
little bit of Lancashire, but lower ice is more, far more
entertaining. You know, the way the cricket is
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played, the quality that's there.
You're 100% right. You know, the these lads are
really pushing, pushing the boatout.
It's fantastic to see. And so get down and watch, just
come on, keep coming down. It's it's so good.
Paddy. Final point before we go.
I think it actually was a perfect example of what Bennett
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down trying to trying to implement in that because you're
not going at 7-8 and all that doesn't mean you're not me and
Joe Black player in what we needed to do.
We had a clear game. Exactly.
And that's what they're trying to get you to do, to go out
there with a man that's full of different theories, different
batting, Yeah, just going out there knowing exactly what to
do. And I just don't want that
confusing out there trying to whack it every day.
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That's that's what you think youcan do and you're great.
Percent, yeah. Positively, I'm going to go and
score trying to, yeah, yeah. And that's I think that was a
good example. Yeah, I agree.
And you know that taking that forward, you know he's got to be
the right thing. And you, you, you lads are
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understanding your own games andyou've got that licence to do
it. Joe Martin last point before I
come to hockey and and finalise this great podcast.
No. Great win, good team
performance. Good lad.
I think we ball well. Good to get home.
Good lad. OK, last words were you.
No, I echo what John P have said.
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We're a confident team and yeah,the camaraderie is good and we
just take every game as it comes.
I mean, it's a big weekend this weekend and it don't get much
bigger than that. So yeah, preparations begin now
tomorrow. So yeah, moving on.
Brilliant. And I don't want, I'm not
belittling the game at Penrith. I don't want to talk about that
now. We can do that at the next
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podcast. I just really wanted to focus
this on, you know, that great win from you lads and and the
second team win. So congratulations to the three
of you. It really is an honour and a
pleasure to have you on here andpeople will listen to this and
and understand how great it is to win a name which they love
what you did and and moving forward.
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It was a fantastic game. If people read Paul Hargreaves's
synopsis of the game, it's a great read on on our website.
Have a good read of of that and and enjoy it.
Let's hope there's plenty more to plenty more to come.
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we initially thought we'd do oneevery fortnight or even a month,
but the way the cricket season'sgoing, it's we could almost do
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one every three days. The different things that are
coming out and what's happening,it's so good to say.
I do, genuinely, and I want to speak to some of our guests
about this. The weather does help and the
pitch conditions does help with the way the games have gone and,
you know, games of our lifetime or whatever else you want to
call it. It's amazing how we're not even
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in June and we've had some fantastic games.
So we decided to record again. Thanks, Dutch, for the support.
And yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
You're a proper doer. So thanks very much, Dutch.
I think it's the right thing to do.
You agree? Don't nod your head.
It's an audio podcast. This dude I.
Didn't know you were coming to me specifically.
Sorry, Jess. Yeah, of course I agree.
I think I think we should. I think we should do one every
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week, win, lose or draw. Right.
It does get difficult when it's,you know, when it's a boggy
pitch and game's been crap and we've fallen asleep.
But it does help. But no, I agree, let's try and
do it because of other stuff going on.
You know the where the seconds are going.
I just want to talk about the seconds now if I can.
I'm not sure who sat in Adams front room there.
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But anyway, second team. How fantastic is that?
I'm doing some research this morning.
You know, it's obviously they were top of the league Last
week. We did the podcast at Declan on
came across so well. And this week they beat on the
Sunday beat Wolston at Wolston. What a great knock from Will
Norcross. 128 of 118 balls in our total of 255.
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Hi Joe Martin, have you spoke toanyone about that same team win?
Can you give us an update as to what went on I?
Spoke to Deck Stanley this morning.
I sent him a message to congratulate them on the win
because it was a really good win, especially when two of the
players and moved up into the first team.
Yeah, so obviously we'll know. Cross battered extremely well
and and Deck took a fight for himself.
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So really good, really good teamperformance and I'm Wilson.
Wilson are a good side. So it was a it was a good win.
Good work from the second team, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'm already only doing the scoreboard scorecard
reading, but you know, 200 and 5545 overs is a fair old score.
But they've they've had a go then you know, they're opening
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batters got 81. But again, great work by Declan
who Yeah, it was a great off spinner when he was a young kid
and carried on and you know 16515 sixteen looked like it
going to be great. Hospital went off the boiler a
little bit and batting came on but A5 for so so second team are
still there at the top of the league.
Whilst that is a fantastic achievement, you know we can't
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get away from talking about whathappened on on Saturday.
So for the listeners, the Waltonat home game was played on
Saturday because our first team were in the LCF away at Penrith
on the Sunday. So things get moved around a
little bit. I think it works and and you
know what a what a great build up to the game.
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The pitch was looking great. It was going a lot of sun
coloured everywhere. I was hoping it wasn't going to
break up and and have no banks there at all.
Did you watch any of it Gaz? Welcome and thanks for joining
us. Did you watch much Gaz on the
stream? When Adam got his act together
after first innings, Yeah, Dark seriously probably caught best
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part at game. Second innings.
Yeah. Thriller.
Wonderful. Yeah, Yeah, it was.
And as I said, they were, you know, the pitchers looking so
great. And we'll come on to our guests
in a minute. What it's like to play on those
pitches. It's almost regular now.
You know, good cricketers, competitive cricketers want to
play on that. So it's a fair, you know, it's a
fair track. You know, you, whatever you put
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in, whether you're batting a bowl and you'll get the benefit
from it. So without further ado, let me
introduced our well, you know Joe Martin's on here, but I
think I'd like him to be a guesttonight.
Not a host, but with you Joe in the the Joe Martin room is your
brother Paddy. Hiya, Paddy.
Hi. Joe, you're all right.
Really good. Thank you.
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Yeah, I feel a little bit, oh, you 2 sat in there after what
you did on Saturday, but we'll go into that in more detail.
And what's your view on the way the pictures are going, you
know, with there's been no rain.So they are, they are probably a
little bit bearer than with light, but they produce good,
good cricket games. You know, what's your view over
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the last three or four weeks, the way it's gone with the
pictures. I think it's a lot better
because it doesn't when there's a lot of rain around and stuff
like that can be a bit little bit of a level iconic really.
You get probably shouldn't happen.
You get game shortened. So it makes it a little bit more
tricky to set yourselves up for it.
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So when it's a makes a bit more of a fairer contest.
I think when it's when it's likeit is at the minute.
Yeah, I think you've been a bit modest that Paddy, and as you
know, I genuinely mean this, that he the better cricketers
and the ones who can push themselves.
You know, I'll come on to some of the Wolves and players when I
say that it's not just about us,it does bring out the best of
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you. I think mediocre cricketers can
play on those those difficult wickets if you want all the wet
wickets. But no, I agree.
What the square doesn't seem to break up as much Paddy as he
going back years. We did have dry spells, believe
it or not, but it used to turn to sand a little bit and and
just didn't bounce at all. Has that changed because of the
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work that's got into them in in your view I?
Think so because even up to lastyear, sort of dry wickets in the
second-half of the innings of turn, really dusty.
It's a really difficult chase. I mean, it's still difficult
chasing down here because of howlow it gets, but definitely
holding together I think a little bit more.
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They're not turning into those dust bowls that you get later in
the summer when it's in July. And it's really difficult to
chase anything under anything over 150, really.
So yeah, it's yeah, I think there's a big difference, so.
Yeah. And again, that, you know, let's
look at, you know, the, the spectators, probably since
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COVID, you know, 2020, the, the spectators, the community
spirits, that's that, you know, again on week on Saturday,
there's probably 500 people watching, all boozing, all
spending money. And he does generate back into
the, you know, back into the club and and money can be spent
on the the ground and make thesepictures as good as the possibly
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couldn't be even the outfield aswell.
Paddy's, you know, I mean, it's bizarre to watch almost someone
plays a big shot and it balls bouncing through the outfield
and so quick. But there's bits of sand coming
up. You know, we never saw that.
It used to be bits of mud or, you know, the odd daffodil or
the the odd mouse coming out of the water.
How's that fielding on there now?
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Is it rock hard on the outfield?Yeah, it's horrific, to be
honest. Yes, but yeah, I saw Roger
cutting the outfield the other day and it was just a trail of
dust behind him. I don't really know if it's even
cutting it, it's that dry. But it's it's difficult because
as soon as someone gets in and they're away, it's really
difficult, especially this ground, because they're the
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little pockets you get around. It's difficult stopping.
Somebody's going well on this this outfield now.
Yeah. And I suppose, you know, Gary,
we go back to our days early, you know, in the.
It's in the in your Dick in the you know, in the in the 90s and
and you know it was the opposite.
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You would be running and you disappear down a pothole or you
know, what were they call where the the the whole there used to
be a big old appear something sink and with off break our
ankle. You remember those days, Gary,
And then obviously the the reservoir that used to appear at
the bottom. Oh yeah, fond memories of that
jazz. Fond memories.
Whereas now it's all about how dry it is.
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So but the reason is it is uneven.
You're right Paddy. So it is difficult, but you
know, let's get on to the the game.
So we'll come on to the the lastguess who's on And a lad who has
played for us for a lot of years, junior coming through as
young as I can remember, a greatcricketer playing really well
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12131415 and has developed into a top amateur.
Went away proing for a little bit, which is all credit to the
lad and comes back now and he's phenomenal what he puts into the
into the team. OK Joe welcome to the house
cast. How are you doing?
I'm. Very well, Jeremy yourself.
Yeah, all good. Thank you.
Yeah, all good. Excited watching that cricket
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now. I don't want to miss any of it.
No, I don't want to be late. I've I was.
I didn't get there for the starton on Saturday, but what's it
like to play in that side now? You know, you're, you're
probably one of the more experienced players.
You play a vital role, you know,at certain times.
What's it like playing in there now?
Yeah, it's, it's unreal. To be fair, the talent in that
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side's absolutely phenomenal. I mean, I was speaking to Manage
a couple of weeks ago and I was saying it reminds me of that
2014 team with the likes of MattWalker and Ferg.
You've got Tom Walker, a year old, and Charlie Gansler, Henry
Cotton. There's just talent everywhere
you look. Yeah.
And do you, do you nurture that?Do you give advice?
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Do you talk through different parts of your experience in your
game or do you just carry on as?I actually don't know.
I don't say much, to be fair, which is quite surprising.
I just sit back and let it all happen, to be honest.
You've got some, you've got somebig characters in that changing
rooms. I like to obviously bend and
down and Johnny Whitehead and then you've got managed giving
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his advice. So yeah, just stay quiet and get
on with it. Which is, which is fantastic.
How old are you now, Walker? May 35 night.
Alright, so you know, if we go back to the days, you know, you
will accept this. And I mean, this is a
compliment. You've always been gapped as a
brush. You play the game really hard.
You've always got and you know, some attitude to the game which
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is really good and you're funny with it.
You know you're a real character.
You'll come out with daf things.So you're genuinely just leave
it to the others and enjoy it and then just perform like you
did on Saturday. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Stride when I can and obviously
my roles changed a lot now in that team.
Obviously Tom Walker and Charliecoming through.
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I just yeah, yeah. When I'm needed on by Ben, I'll
try and perform to my best. So let's before we go into the
game because it interests me this, you know, myself and I
think Dutch was there as well. Like if you mentioned about the
great side in 2014 that won the league, that must be difficult
to adapt to. You know, you were the main
strike bowler. You know, you'd some really good
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pace about you. You were hostile and you would
get yourself fit and ready to bowl it so you could literally
go a couple of games and not, you know, if we get battered or
we win easily. You're not really used.
You're not, you're not, you know, you know, you're not going
to be in the top 8 as a batter. How do you sack yourself up
mentally for that type of, you know, ready for the game when
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you can just happen in three weeks or.
It's a good question. To be fair, the way the way I
approached the game hasn't really changed just because my
roles changed. I mean, I know Ben can throw me
the ball at any point during thegame and I know that I'll be
ready to perform to my best of my ability.
And then obviously when it comesto the batting, I've never
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really practised. Should we say I just go in and
try and play the situation to the best liability?
And you do, you know, we can go into the, that is probably
Saturday, probably the fifth game I've watched, which is an
outstanding performance from youpersonally to get the lads
across the line, you know, and I, you know, cracking.
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We can't get the stats up and think about it now, but there's
not many others who've done it once, never mind five times in
really big games. Where's the cup finals, you
know, top league games like thisweekend.
And, and, and it's a credit to you that you you are relatively
cool about it now when you can just deal with a moment, which
is quite scary for the opposition.
Joe Martin what? And I know he's on the call.
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He's OK being accurate there Is he being truthful that he's just
laid back and let's all the other characters get on with it.
Yeah, I think so. I think that's very fair
assessment of how that team operates at the minute and it
just makes sure everybody can dowhat they want to be ready to
play at the weekend. So yeah, it's very easy going.
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Yeah, it's always been easy going.
It's always been a really good fun, but I think it's a real
skill and the three of you, you know, the three of you on this
call, which is an absolute pleasure for us to talk to you
and the you know, the spectatorswill will want to listen for how
the game went. But you know, you 9/10/11
potentially. And historically, we can only go
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on stats history. You know, people could go 10
games at 9:10 and 11:00 and either not bat or you're chasing
150 and you know it's dog shit that you know you're not you've
wasted another weekend because you're not bowled or you've not
battered and it and it's so difficult, but you 3 have kept
yourself in the zone ready for these song of occasion.
So I want to talk through the game and just jump into the
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three of you as we go through asquickly as I can Dooch you've
you know, you've watched so muchquicker.
You were, you know, an outstanding skipper for us and
one, you know, a lot of trophies.
How do you see this season goingas the way that you know, we've
had at least two, if not three really outstanding games,
including the the one that we got beaten.
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It seems unreal to me. What's your thoughts on it?
I. Think it's a bad product of how
good the league is really. I think I think the league's
excellent. I think the teams are.
I've got a lot more strength in depth than maybe in previous
years or maybe teams in the bottom division and we're
obviously a really good case in point there for strength yet and
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Saturday sort of proves that. But all the teams or the teams
at the top, you know, Burnley were in a similar position to us
a few weeks ago. I can't remember who they were
playing against, but they needed14 for the last pair and their
last Pell, Barrett and Fergus, both of them are very, very good
players. So I think I think the league's
got got stronger, there's more strength in depth in each of the
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top sides and that's sort of bringing about, you know, these
games that that look like they're going one way and end up
and end up going in another direction.
I just think that's a bad product of how good the league
is now. It is.
It's a great point. We've mentioned, I don't know,
on the last few podcasts, as youknow, the players that are in
there, you're not carrying anyone.
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They're not. You know, I know, I know the the
second division might be a little bit different, but in,
you know, in that top division in the Premier League, there is,
you know, everyone's will. You know, you look at Rami were
struggling a little bit this year who just got promoted, but
they have a good side, you know,fielding at top of that order.
There's some good players in there.
So now it's it's a great point and that's why I suppose it it's
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so entertaining to watch. Let's go through the the actual
game. So they win the toss and
obviously back and I say obviously, you know, great track
and it was still relatively warm.
I think there's no cloud about it wasn't as warm as it's been.
But it's a big task taxing to, you know, to, to play in those
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conditions and to, to manage it all.
Paddy, you, you open the bowl inhere.
Was there a solid reason behind that?
Cause Charlie Gansl has done it previously.
Was it a change because of the pitch?
I don't think so. I think it's more just on the
day sort of thing. So they've got a left-hander at
1:00, left-hander at 3:00. Yeah.
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Who in theory I should be betterbowling at.
So yeah, I think that comes intoit.
And also if it's I think I can bowl a little bit tighter than
Charlie with it being spin. So it means, you know, a bit of
a bit of an attack from that end.
And I suppose that's, you know, Cracker, we're never going to
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give any of your tactics or secrets away.
But you know, Wolston are a quite aggressive side, a little
bit like ourself and to hold theball back a little bit.
And if it is going to dust earlyon the spinners, you know,
you've got a bit of a chance. And I'm sure Ben would have
swapped it quite early. And but it's quite good to see
Tom Walker pushing yourself off site screen and bowling out so
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some serious pace. What's it like?
OK with with Tom Walker you usedto be like you'd, you'd run in
from sight screen and try and knock people's head off.
Is it a pleasure to watch him? Do you chat to him as he's
bowling? No, I'll leave Tom to it.
To be fair, he's one on his own.But yeah, it's great to see
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he's, Yeah, he's just a, he's a good lad.
He's a character. But yeah, it's really good to
see him running in from side screens and you've got a bit of
a bit of swagger about him, a bit of an attitude, but he he
completely backs it up. So good on him and.
You're right that he you know, because he does sometimes he
gets a little bit, you know, maybe bowling a short ball too,
too, too often when you know when it should be, you know,
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bowling to Joe Martin. He's got so many caught behinds
off Joe, not just on Saturday, but that's the attitude of a
really quick bowl and certainly those first 456 overs.
It works a treat. So you've got Josh Gale out
early on Paddy, he's a good player.
It's good to see, good to see the back of him and and and the
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other opener. You've caught him behind the
stumps, John Nick, Nick Barker and and before you know, the
games really started in the red hot day and a great pitch that
you know they're 2 for seven. You thought then Joe Martin, you
know, were you still thinking? Now we need to stick in this and
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we're not going to roll them. I think, I mean I said all last
week Rammy Moles done are a verygood team.
They got all the way down #11 they're a very aggressive team.
So they, I don't think they wereever going to sit in regardless
of their loss. So you've just got to kind of
keep going and they've got some really destructive players.
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And you know, Jake, who got, whogot 60 odds of a very, very
good, that's one period of time.So they were never, they were
never out of it. And as was, as was shown and,
and I think a lot of the teams in the league are like that, as,
as, as Dutch mentioned that it'sa really good standard.
There are lots of good teams in in there and even if you get
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them 3-4 down, 5 down, that can come in and get them to a score
that they can bowl. At SO.
Yeah, I don't think we let off or or even.
No, but it is a spectators, you know, when they end at all.
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Let me just go back because the pros coming in and you're right,
Jacobson's a great player, you know, but they are 25 for 4/31
for five. I'm, you know, I'm thinking this
and if they get 120, good on them.
And the way that you know, certainly where Johnny and Ben
go out and and are so positive alittle bit of a Middleton game,
but that you're 100% right. That's why you're still playing
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and I'm sat watching that you'vegot you cannot switch off their
pro. You caught him behind Joe off
Tom Walker. Great catch.
It was, yeah. It wasn't too bad standard.
No, it looked. It even looked it.
I mean, you can back, can't it? Kira Handage where my last
Sectra. Yeah, he's he's a good player
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looking at what he's done before, but he's gone for five.
Olsted's gone for one. And then Josh's brother Joe GAIL
has gone for two. And I want to mention talk about
him in a minute. And then, you know, they've
they've pulled it together a little bit and and then, you
know, they're not going for it. But it's, you know, they're
still being relatively positive but they want to see if they can
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bat as many overs. Am I right in thinking Paddy
they had a few first team is missing as well?
Question, Jess. I think they had a couple.
Yeah, Shaq. Shaq weren't playing where he
and Cam Anson. Elliot didn't play.
So it was good to say that you know, the, the, the younger lads
that came in that just stuck around with Houston, you know,
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the I. Mean that lad as well.
Jess on on Sunday against the second team.
Yeah, yeah, That were Brownwood,weren't it?
Yeah, yes, as Miles Bramwood, you know, stuck around for a
long time. It was a good knock that.
I mean, I'm just trying to to work out, you know what they put
on there. You know, they put on an 80 odd
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on a barcode, they put on 80 oddand then they put on 40 odd with
Bramwood. And then, you know, he got to
the the stage where I thought Houston was just going to hang
around and let the 910 Jack, butaround him and then maybe go
mental in the last two or three overs.
Once he's, you know, 60 or 17, try and get 280.
Did he go a bit early, do you think?
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OK, Houston. I won't say so, no.
I mean he batted well, but I don't think he'd given a chance
at he up until then. He'd bat really.
So it was obviously backing himself.
It's a few lost. He blows off Tom from the park
end so he's obviously his confidence was I was striking it
well so yeah, why not carry on? Yeah, and we don't know what
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faith he's got in those lower order batsman.
I just, you know, but I I was really confident that 150 was
nowhere near enough for not as much as the Middleton game, but
I was happy that we were going to, you know, going to knock
those off quite easily. You know, Paddy, you 2 for 34 or
13 on those tracks is outstanding.
You know, Tom Walker's got a 5 for their bowling. 14 overs at
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that pace is, you know, is difficult dance, you know, come
in with, you know, around 3 and over.
So personally a great performance.
They probably got more than anticipated after the first
hour. But then we open the batting,
you know, just Joe Martin. Just talk us through Joe Gale
and the way he bowls and the wayhis attitude is to the game.
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You know, we all know the great cricketers, him and his brother,
his dad Kenny I used to play against.
They were at backup. They don't give up, do they?
No, no, definitely not really skillful, skillful bowlers
swings, swings the ball away andhe especially when he's coming
from the car park end and ball really well.
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First up, I think he really tests, he can really test
batters techniques and he he balls quite a quite sharp.
He's not he's not slow and he hits the pitch hard.
Yeah, real test was a very good ball.
Yeah, and he was putting everything in, weren't, you
know, like I said, it was warm. He was, you know, potentially
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thinking we need to ball you outin 30 overs.
We need to really get through you and and bore you out.
So he was, you know, he really was bending his back and a great
performance. And then their pro Paddy coming
on from the the park end, you know, he looked tight.
I'm not I'm not suggesting he had anyone in massive amount of
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trouble, but he was very tight. And then, you know, he gets
Henry out and we're 30 for two. What was the feeling in the
dressing room then, Paddy? Well, we off what was what was
that wicket of Henry's eight over something like that.
Yeah, yeah, lots to go. So I mean 120 or 42 orbits with
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eight wickets left and be fairlyroutine really.
Yeah, that was my thoughts just.So then Ben gets bowled by by
Joe Gale. You know, it looks a cracker out
down at deep backward point and it looks a great ball.
Ben's come down the track and he's bowled him.
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You know, at that stage, you know, we need some.
Is that someone's washing machine?
Certainly it might just. And I'm in the van.
Be a chemical toilet, We've got one.
We've got a Lenovo bottle. Hey, just mute yourself Joe
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Martin and OK, press your screenand then press the microphone
button. Not right hand corner.
That's it. It's gone off now.
Oh, no, it's right. It's yours.
OK, so leave yourself on you andthen we can we'll just bring you
back in. So then there's a crazy run out
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from from down. Obviously I don't want you to
give secrets When I leave it to either Joe or Paddy, the same
some frustration from Dan seemedas if, you know, he thought it
was a run. Was it a run?
I don't know. But then he's he's slipped
because the surface is so, so hard.
What happened when he got in dressing room?
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I don't want to. I don't want to flag anything.
But I wasn't watching at the time.
I was talking to Louis Moss, so I didn't see him yet, and I was
on the other. Side over to you then, Paddy.
I don't. I don't know if it were wrong or
not. Possibly might have got there,
might not got in, but I was always taught if the process
run, you'd run. Did he slip?
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Oh, big style. Yeah, Lewis said.
He slept because I wasn't watching.
Yeah, he's off way down. He probably I think he would
have probably been run out with a good throw and the stomper
takes it, but he slept and so he's miles off.
But he's clearly absolutely fuming because he looked like he
was set and on that sort of pitch, potentially 607018 that
out and and just just walk it for us.
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But then we'll go through, you know, Henry's got actually the
LBW, which I think fair to Henrywalked before the umpire put his
finger up and Tom and Charlie and really toxic get out quite
cheap and Charlie Cotton gets out caught and bowled And you
three are left in the dressing room.
The three of you. Any discussions going on between
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the three of you and I'll leave it to you 3 to decide who tells
us. Well, I didn't have any
discussions with anybody. No, I was just, I was just kind
of start watching. Did you know what number you
were batting, Paddy? Yeah.
I seem to recall walking in and just looking at Hawking saying,
what's going on here, Joe? Because yeah, it all happened
very quickly really, didn't it? It was.
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Well, there were thirty others left.
Weren't there when? Yeah, by the time we came, I.
Went to him after 17 over so there was loads of time left.
Yeah, just unravelled back quickly to.
Yeah, I was. I was still pretty confident
though. Like, I don't know.
I don't know what it is about us, but yeah, I mean, we're
about all the way to 11, don't we?
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So. Yeah.
Like you said, it's 30 odd. Others left.
There was a good batting track. The Hawker you do, you know
you're batting 11 when Charlie'sout at six.
Well, no, before that. Before that, when as Tom and and
and Gansler out, are you aware you're #11 Because I know that
swaps around a little bit, whether it's Joe Martin or if
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Tox is down there. Did you know you're batting at
11? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, OK, I probably held about 3 or 4 times this year, so
I'm happy being at 11. It doesn't bother me at all, no.
No, no, it's just the mindset really that I'm trying to get
out. And so we've got, you know, with
63 for seven, Charlie's in with,well, no, probably 60 for for
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six with Charlie and toxic. Toxic gets out and then Charlie
gets gets out and Patty, you, you've gone in there, as you've
said, Joe Martin, there is so many overs left and you're all
still, you know, correct players, you you know, you are
quality and what you do. But all spectators were talking
it through and and your sister walked past about 14 times Joe
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and Paddy saying now we're goingto go here, Jesse, we're going
to do it. We're going to do it.
And it's difficult because you've only got you've got one
mistake or one real absolute jaffer or something bizarre
happens. You know, you get run out
backing up. Is that in your mind?
So Paddy and Joe, you've got together at 63, so we're 63 for
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eight. What you're talking about you 2
when you're out there. I think one of the first things
I said to Joyce Joe, this shouldbe fairly straightforward.
We need 2 and half and over, yeah.
Our kind of tempo. This.
There's 30 overs left. The only issue is, is only mean
you. Yeah.
Yeah. There's only two wickets left,
so if we just bat fairly sensibly then it should be
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fairly straightforward. What do you mean there's only
more room? Well, the issue was OK, I didn't
know if you got your bag out of the car yet or not.
It takes up too much room in that changing room.
And I was walking out the back hockey were going for his bag
out of the car you're. Going to get his pants in his
back and. Just before that Jazz.
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Do you win, Charlie? It doesn't matter the situation,
I always think we're going to win.
If Charles is it the crease, I just have a real great player.
I just have a real confidence and he was batting really what
he started the season brilliantly.
I get that joke and you're all great players, you can do all
that, but it is literally one mistake.
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It's something bizarre that you know, that could happen.
But certainly, I mean, I'll tellyou my view when you 2 are
batting. You looked so calm and cool and
you weren't bothered. If you you know, if you're not
back, you know, 10 dot balls or there were three maidens in the
state, you know, in in in a fouror five over spell.
You know, you look cool and calmabout it.
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But then Paddy say again, Joe, good.
Time on our side, that's the thing.
A lot of overs, a lot of overs to bat.
How many do we need? 90 I think when?
We Yeah, you did 90. So you're undervaluing what
you've done, Joe. You're undervaluing it.
It's difficult. It wasn't.
A bad wicket, Jess. I mean, that's the other thing.
The ball wasn't turning a lot. It wasn't like, you know,
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sometimes you go in when you're 64, eight and balls turning past
your head and you've got to try.No, we just lost 7 wickets for
33. Yeah, I know that.
But that happened so, but so thepitch was fine, but their pro
had also bowled quite a lot of overs as well.
It was always threatening, but it bowled a lot of overs.
We didn't really discuss any tactics at all.
We're just looking at the score and trying to work in 10s.
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So can we get it down to 80 and then obviously as you go down
and then can we get a point, tryand get a batting point and then
yeah. What what you're saying Joe, is
you know, I accept it all and you did look cool and the fans
would think you were cool, but it was exceptional the way you
cope with it, the way that. And so I want to move on now.
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Dude. Have you anything else before I
move on to to their bowlers about the situation.
I I don't feel it's right that Joe Martens underselling what
him and Paddy did even for just like two or three overs.
What's your thoughts, Duke? Yeah, I completely agree with
you Jess. I wasn't actually at the game on
Saturday, I was following it on play cricket with me and Blaze
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were out and I pretty much give gave up on it when we were 63
for eight. I have to be honest, I didn't
really give as much chance from there just because we just lost
7 wickets for 30. But then we kept periodically
checking the score and I said toBlaise, what, what do you think?
At what point do the walls and players get a bit twitchy here?
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Because when when we're 63 for eight, there were they would
have been absolutely Cocker hoop.
They would not have been one thought in their brain that they
would not win that game from 63 for eight, no chance.
So where how many do we have to get before the doubts start
creeping in to the walls and lads?
And I said, I said, I thought ifwe get 210 and Paddy and Joe
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still in then that that would bea bit of a, a flip in the
dynamic of the game. Yeah, I was just trying to
picture what I would be like in that field and in that in that
situation. So the fact that we got past
that and then and then and then we still have hockey to come
after that obviously, you know, was, was was crucial.
Yeah, I think, dude, if I can, you know, I don't whether the
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three players will. Well, we'll add to this.
Wolsden were absolutely fantastic.
They stuck at it like I've not seen you.
You're right. Once, you know, saying, say gets
a hundred 110 and these two are still like, 'cause I mean, it
makes it worse. You're probably better off with
a a Hawkey and a mat up gobbing off to you saying how how sharp
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you. Are.
And then it keeps them going. It keeps them going.
But you've John Paddy, who just didn't look in any trouble,
weren't bothered about passing it back because with lots of
always. But I cannot praise enough how
Joe GAIL came back for two or three different spells is really
blowing. He's, you know, he's bowled a
lot in in the conditions that he's bowling, but came back and
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came back. They're pro, you know, was was
bowling really well. I know what you're saying, Joe
Martin, that he's not turning it.
But we weren't getting a lot of runs.
And I accept what you're saying now.
We weren't going to get you out well.
He could have got me out at any point.
Most footballers can. But no, it's just that I thought
it, it wasn't like the, it wasn't like the pitch was
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massively in their favour. So you could, you could bat on
it and keep batting if you just about, you know, the decisions
that you make and often dictate and some of the decisions that
they made as well. You know, I mean, I think, I
think they were going to put a gully in at one point.
It's a bit of this is a bit of an obscure point, but they're
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going to put a gully in at one point and they started against
it and put him back on the on the field.
They bowled a slightly wider onethat I hit straight to straight
to gulley that bounced to where he was fielding.
So it's it was decisions that, you know, couldn't change a
game, I guess in any point. So I think that's, I think
that's the point I was trying tomake in that you could.
OK, Yeah. Massively in their favour.
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Yeah. And if he's fine lines, pitch
wasn't. Yeah, but it's fine lines.
Those are real fine, fine pointsthat can change a game just
because of a good feeling or, you know, good.
I thought they managed the bowling changes really well.
We saved the pro for three oversand then we were all thinking
he's going to come on and ball one and then come back off or is
he going to bowl through. But they were clearly understood
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that you 2 could bat, and I knowthey would know that before the
game. But you weren't looking in any
trouble. And, you know, and Joshua came
on to ball and I saw Houston bowled quite well in his early
spell, I think. You know, I thought he was, you
know, bowling the right length, the right pace.
Like I said, it's not turning a lot, but he was bowling in the
right areas and when I can't, I was really confident in you all,
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but I wasn't convinced we were going to win it.
I just thought it's one mistake here.
You just need it and then when we turn down, it's extra
pressure. I know OK can handle that
pressure, but it's, it's difficult to get 30-40 fifty
runs, no matter how many overs you've got when they are a good
side, a quality side. And that's why it was such a
shock when Paddy got out. And if you don't mind, Paddy,
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I'll, I'll describe it and then I'll ask you to to, to say what
happened. You too was almost costing it
with one or two and over. And then there was a great shot
for a boundary. And then all of a sudden it
seemed it's either it's either stopped in the picture a little
bit or it came off your middle of the the middle of your bat
too well, you know, and you get caught like a short cover.
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Is that accurate? Yeah, I think I just stopped on
it a little bit. I could see orcas marching up
and down on the decking. But.
Yeah, really what I should have just gone through this shot gone
over. Yeah, yeah, like.
The similar shot they over. No, just again, for the, you
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know, for the for the listeners because they love listening to
you players when we've done whatwhat you've done, what changes
what changed that shot from the shot you did previously?
I know the answer, but I just you know, they would want to
know. I've come in so different.
The only plan I'd had when I wasbatting was not hit a ball in
the end and I didn't hit one ball in the air until just not
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quite. The problem with Joe, when he
came back on there, he was stillgoing to swing away a little
bit, right? And that one just went enough
that he just waited a little bitlong long to change.
I think, you know, I think what we what we could say as ex
players and players is that he you don't know why there's no
real reason we can't work out what changes between a shot and
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and another shot might be a little bit of the bowlers
ability, something changing the pitch.
And but that happens. And that's why, you know, the
game of cricket is as good as itis.
It can change the the drop of the hat.
So 131 we're still in the 22. OK, what's going through your
mind? To be honest, I thought Joe and
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Paddy were going to knock him off so.
Yeah. Our relatively calm, but then
obviously Paddy's got out and yeah, it's like you've been
saying, obviously I'm walking out at #11 which you haven't
done that often. And I'm thinking one error by
myself or join it's game over, or one Jaffa, it's game over.
So yeah, yeah, just one of them do.
You want to strike during them situations or or would you be
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happy for Joe, the other job to take it?
OK, I'm talking to you. Do you do you want the ball in
there or are you happy to get down the other end?
At the start, I'm happy to get down the other end.
Obviously Joe's been in, got himself in looking $1,000,000.
So if he wants to take the strike early, daughters, that's
fine. But I'm one of those batters
where if I hit my first boundary, I'm usually all right.
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But yeah, in those early stages,I'd probably say for Joe to take
the strike because he's been in a lot longer than me.
Yeah and I think just going backto what you were saying due to
you were chatting to Blaze aboutgetting to you know hundred 110
there, you know their peckers are down, they can't get the
cell motivated. They carried on, they really did
and it was only probably 2 oversbefore Paddy were out when they
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started getting a bit fed up andthey were quiet and not and not
being as vocal and in the umpires he is.
And Paddy and Joe, you're right OK, they did want it by that
stage. Once Paddy's out, they back at
it, they need 22 runs and it's, you know, it's anyone's mistake
then and they've got I think didthey have, did their pro have
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two overs left there? OK when you came in?
Yes, I think so. Yeah, he did.
He did. I remember now because, and
again, douche, just to describe it, Orki was even like Jeff
Boycott against him. They were absolutely fantastic.
He just wasn't going to take a risk.
I don't think he would have got him out because as Joe Martin
said, the pitch was so good, buthis wife take a risk.
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There's umpteen overs left. He just managed the situation
and I think that really not the stuffing out of him.
OK, You know they were thinking.You know, you're a great batter,
you've you're aggressive that you'll take him on and you
didn't, you know it was it was all credit to you.
Joe Martin, what were you, what were your thoughts when hockey's
doing what he's doing? And you're you will obviously a
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bad ball, you'll put it away. A good ball, you'll just work it
around. Did you ever feel that one
mistake, one Jaffa? Do we need to push on?
Do we need to accelerate here and take on, you know, whether
it's Josh Gale or, or the other lad, the Barker that came on?
Did you ever feel we needed to be more aggressive?
No, again, because we had so much time to bat.
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I think one of the one of the kind of differences or the
swings that you have as being packed, batting together.
And then I mean hope is that when you when you go in needing
90, the the kind of risk and reward is a little bit greater,
I guess in that, yeah, play yourshots a bit more knowing that if
you get out and. And by that I mean I don't mean
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reckless shots and hit, hit boundaries and, and try and
attack a bit more to try and getyou close.
Knowing that if you get out thatthere are things that have
happened earlier in the game that mean that not on not really
your fault, as I said, but it means that you can play with a
little bit more freedom. But then as you start getting
closer, the risk becomes greaterbecause of kind of.
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Weight and the expectation. Yeah, absolutely.
So certainly how I felt when I was batting that I probably
played with a lot less freedom as we got towards 3020 and a
case of still there was a lot ofovers left, there was still 10,
yeah. That's a good thing about
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batting we all if he's in for 10balls, he's going to be on 10th
as soon as there's a ball in these areas.
Well, they nearly out scored us.That's what he does really well.
So that that helps you? Yeah.
All the pressure took your faces.
But he batted the pro superbly. Just said you said.
Just it was, it was. And he's not reckless, Paddy,
you're right there. And as I've alluded to the other
3 or 4 big games that he's contributed massively to, he's
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not reckless with it. You know, the shots that were
played. And I also have missed this
point that I wrote down, Paddy, the, the, the sweep shots that
you were playing, which you know, weren't, you know, you
weren't playing traditional sweet shots, but you went two,
if not three shots towards square leg and backwards square,
which were outstanding shots. And that took a lot of pressure
after that. Paddy, I meant to mention that
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earlier, but you're right, Orki comes in, but sensibly.
And, and between the three of you, you know, you've, you've
got, you've hit 13 fours, which is a massive amount of, of that
total and makes up for those, you know, for the maidens or, or
the dot balls. If I just, I don't want to
single any of our players out as, you know, as, as playing
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poor shots or anything. And what, what's the feelings of
the players because the, the crowd do change, You know,
certainly ones in front of the clubhouse that when we're losing
the wicket, what's the team's attitude there?
Do you pick up on that, that arecracking?
We're throwing this away. Is that something you pick up on
or do you just, are you focused in on your own jobs, any of you?
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Well for one, it's a team game isn't it?
So if you go out and see freight, your jobs then really
matter. Yeah, but does it affect you?
Does it affect you if you're getting, do you get any of, do
you get any of the noise that, you know, we're playing
recklessly and we're not, we're not, we're not going to win this
because we're too reckless. Do you get that vibe as players?
We don't hear anything, do we? I mean, the way Ben and Ben and
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Southie have instilled like justthe way the way we bat now is we
just take every bowler on basically, yeah.
If we get out playing a shot which we think is right to that
ball, so be it. In comes the next one.
Yeah, which that, you know, it'sa quality that other teams will
fear and it's good that you don't get the external noise and
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you get the panicking around it.So when you've actually, you
know, I think we needed 8 and then six and then two and it
just seemed we. Needed 18.
And then, yeah, no, I mean, I'm talking about when I was
comfortable that you're going towin.
Sorry. I just thought the way you were
batting, the way Hawkey look so comfortable and they had given
up then, dude, you know, going back to your point, when we were
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about one 38140, they had been given up even though though we
were nine down and it just seemed a bit of a stroll.
It was just going to happen whenit happened.
Hockey, you know, and Joe Martincoming off the pitch.
It's a league game. We're not even in June, but it's
a real significant win. You know, it's a fantastic
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performance from from you, you 3and the team, you know, how
great is that walking off and then you're coming back on the
pitch and having a beer sat together.
What? How good is that?
OK. Oh, it's amazing.
I mean, I think in the last couple of years I think would
have probably been under and 10.I like that.
Yeah. But we're just we've got that
much confidence at the moment asa team.
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I mean, the camaraderie and things like that in the changing
rooms is second to none at the minute and we're just all having
a laugh and enjoying our crickettogether and there's nothing
better than playing me. You set a mess at the weekend
and we're just all back to each other up with none of us care.
If we don't do well on that given day.
Someone else is taking 5-6 wickets, are scoring 5080
hundred, then it's happy days. As long as the team's winning
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them, yeah, we're there for eachother.
It's brilliant and it's so good to see.
And again, like you know, I've alluded to early, it's probably
nearly 200 people around the bottom of the steps cheering you
off when you go back on And you know, another pint sat around
together. They're they're memories that
you'll treasure for a long, longtime.
And we'll wrap this up shortly. But I was going to go around
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everyone that's on just to give you, you know, for you to give
me your thoughts on on that performance and the season and
going forward. Joe Martin, a great performance
from you. Again, you you saw undersell
yourself and I know we're mates and we chat and walk Ryan but
you're 4 victims there. You're stomping really well.
You're getting close to these different landmarks and you're
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battered so well there. You don't need to comment.
All I'm saying is well done, Joe.
But I could just have that as well.
The the over the I think probably took us will likely
winners the game. Yeah, of course.
Jake's over that. He was going to hockey and he
hit the ball over mid off and harder than I've ever seen
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anybody, anybody. When I saw him walking down and
admitting at that point I wasn'tbacking up that far.
But when he hit, I thought Jesus.
And then he absolutely laced it to a field who not missed
anything all that and it sort oftook his hand with it and then
to couple off his off his legs for four to get his 12 and and
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need 6. So was brilliant and and able to
to do that. That's it.
It's a really good point that John, sorry for interrupting
you, but it's good to talk to hockey about that because I
think Houston had bowled very well.
Obviously that's a great knock. Did he lose the plot a little
bit there? He just seemed to, the pace just
didn't seem as normal. He just seemed to be firing in a
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little bit. And what were your thoughts on
that? OK, with that over when you got
12 off him? I mean, it wasn't premeditated
as such, but I did. I was saying to myself, if he's
tossing one up here, I'm I'm looking over that mid off extra
cover region and obviously the first one that came down were a
little bit tossed up. So I thought, yeah.
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But I ended up timing it a little bit too well and thought
the guy at mid off had stopped and caught everything all game.
And I thought if he's catching that then again sort of thing.
But luckily his hands and off down to boundary and then the
next couple of deliveries he fired him down Lakeside and I
managed to get a bat on it and obviously there were no short
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fine legs so they raced off down, down to the park.
Yeah, yeah. And you, you out, you out fought
him nothing. Or I I thought him and fought
him as a sentence. She never thought it's.
AI know I know, but I managed toget it out and he those two that
he fight down the lakeside of thought.
I was just looking then thinkingthat there was some wides
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involved, but it wasn't. You were just going to tickle on
it and he were flying down, you know, so I think you you're
proper out out thought in there in in getting those extra runs.
Paddy, your thoughts? Just summing up the game well.
I mean, it's probably one we should have never own.
You don't win many. Well, I think it just highlights
the fact that as soon as one or two of the top 6 get the
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batting, yeah, You know, if we're winning games where I
think anyone but no one's gone on to get that big score yet,
and that's really good display, it'll come because they put in
the hard work. Yeah, with all the games
together. Yeah, yeah, and it and it
doesn't kind of keep top of leapPaddy, so don't get too greedy.
So you're doing a good job already, you know, you do,
you're doing really well betweenyou all.
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But I understand exactly what you're saying and it's working
at it. You know, I think the weather's
changing a touch towards the endof this week and you know, who
knows how that will affect us because we are positive, you
know, the positive cricketers. Just to throw any a pad in for
people who are listening, Paddy Martin only needs 47 league runs
to get into that, 3000 runs and 300 wickets, which is a
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fantastic achievement. In fact you only need 4 wickets
to get into 400 wickets. So Paddy keep that going along.
That's fantastic and I'll come back to you as players.
Gary, what's your thoughts? I mean we and you played in some
great games. We went to season, I think,
where we had a lot of close games towards the end, but ours
were more to keep us in the above the bottom three.
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I know you're over this weekend,but watching afar, it must be a
pleasure for you to see what's with the way they're going.
Yeah, I didn't I didn't jump in through throughout all that chat
with with the three guys there because it were just it was
great to just hear that hear that unfolding as as they saw it
etcetera. But just a few observations
really on that on that game and I'll go.
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And so watch the second in is because they, like I said, the
streamer's dying for most of thefirst, but it's the lads playing
it down. I get it because in that side,
as soon as you start, you know, yeah, I'm the big guy.
I'm and all that sort of thing. You're going to get, everyone's
going to take you down, quite rightly.
But they are the three there, 3 lads, they're undressed.
It's a rarity, you know. So playing it down don't wash
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with me, you know, that sort of thing.
I know you're not boasting aboutit, but it's got to be
acknowledged that I, I got that effort was from you three guys.
So really bring, bring those 10 points home and, and I'm sure
everybody's like we're queuing up to slap you on the back or
whatever. But but boys feel good with it
because there's some shit days in cricket and those, those
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moments do last with you. So well done.
And we, we touched on it. I can't remember which game it
was early on its season. We, and we were talking about
Frankie not being there and stuff like that.
And we said looking down that order, they don't seem to be a
weakness in in that order. And you can mix up and Ben's got
so many options depending on state of the game, who's won the
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toss, what the scores are, etcetera, who we're playing,
what he can do with that battingline up.
So that's that's a real plus. And after the little and I think
personally watching the second innings, how we battered
notwithstanding there was a monumental collapse.
I reckon subconsciously a lot ofpeople in that side learn from
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the little bit game. And I'm not saying they've said,
oh, we can't go and play shots now and things like that.
But there just seem to be a few a couple as many of the reckless
shots, if we say, if we dare sayreckless, but they just seem to
be there is I don't know. I reckon subconsciously it was a
good lesson learned for we couldhave done that against little
bro probably. And I don't mean we can just
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knock those games off on the real because I've said it's a
rarity, but I reckon there was some some lesson learned there,
which is which is brilliant to see.
You know, it's not just or we'vebeen told to go out and be
ourselves and play, though, you know, some of the consequences.
I think there was there was somegood points, some good points.
The first things was, like I said, it's realistic.
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So I've only looked at the statsand we touched on like Orcie's
role and stuff like that. And I know you've sort of worked
around leave with with works to play certain games.
Jazz did it a lot and that's real commitment.
So, you know, I don't, I don't know whether Ben's sort of
factoring that into how much he uses you if you, if you're going
to be playing, you know, missingour game and things like that.
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And he wants to try other combinations.
But in a tight league that we'vecertainly we're all
acknowledged. There's a lot of good sides now
top to bottom, all our wickets in that first innings, none of
them were bowled. So we took his catchers.
There were two run outs, although one was probably like
super easy LB etcetera. So again, you know, we've we've
done the right things there in the fielding.
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Fielding may well be you know, we've already got 14 bonus
points. Have we bowled every got 10 ball
ball in bonus points? So you know that stuff like that
could be the difference at the end of the day as well.
We're all focusing on the great effort at the end of the
innings. But what if we'd have been
chasing 1617180 If if, you know,if we'd have dropped a couple of
those catch So brilliant that yeah, those are my observations
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on game, Jess. Yeah, fantastic.
We said against a little bit, even though we came off at the
wrong end of it, you know, it'd be good to watch that cricket
regularly with that, that type of stuff.
As long as we're on, we win morethan we lose, of course.
Yeah, no, great points there Gary.
And it is, you're right, you know, that is, you know, watch a
little bit of Lancashire, but lower ice is more, far more
entertaining. You know, the way the cricket is
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played, the quality that's there.
You're 100% right. You know, the these lads are
really pushing, pushing the boatout.
It's fantastic to see. And so get down and watch, just
come on, keep coming down. It's it's so good.
Paddy. Final point before we go.
I think it actually was a perfect example of what Bennett
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down trying to trying to implement in that because you're
not going at 7-8 and all that doesn't mean you're not me and
Joe Black player in what we needed to do.
We had a clear game. Exactly.
And that's what they're trying to get you to do, to go out
there with a man that's full of different theories, different
batting, Yeah, just going out there knowing exactly what to
do. And I just don't want that
confusing out there trying to whack it every day.
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That's that's what you think youcan do and you're great.
Percent, yeah. Positively, I'm going to go and
score trying to, yeah, yeah. And that's I think that was a
good example. Yeah, I agree.
And you know that taking that forward, you know he's got to be
the right thing. And you, you, you lads are
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understanding your own games andyou've got that licence to do
it. Joe Martin last point before I
come to hockey and and finalise this great podcast.
No. Great win, good team
performance. Good lad.
I think we ball well. Good to get home.
Good lad. OK, last words were you.
No, I echo what John P have said.
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We're a confident team and yeah,the camaraderie is good and we
just take every game as it comes.
I mean, it's a big weekend this weekend and it don't get much
bigger than that. So yeah, preparations begin now
tomorrow. So yeah, moving on.
Brilliant. And I don't want, I'm not
belittling the game at Penrith. I don't want to talk about that
now. We can do that at the next
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podcast. I just really wanted to focus
this on, you know, that great win from you lads and and the
second team win. So congratulations to the three
of you. It really is an honour and a
pleasure to have you on here andpeople will listen to this and
and understand how great it is to win a name which they love
what you did and and moving forward.
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It was a fantastic game. If people read Paul Hargreaves's
synopsis of the game, it's a great read on on our website.
Have a good read of of that and and enjoy it.
Let's hope there's plenty more to plenty more to come.
So thanks everyone for listening.
Please look at the sponsors, support them where you can and
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and keep coming down and watching us for more games like
that. Thanks very much everyone.
Good night. Gordon Gordon, send more house
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to save the house. Come on, the House.
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