107 – Batman Forever (1995): Drew Barrymore’s Sugary Sweet Supervillain Role - How Do You Drew | A Drew Barrymore Podcast

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Thank you. But it's just perfect.

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You guys will figure out why that's perfect.
If you haven't like, checked outthe title or seen what we're
talking about, that's perfect. I love to think that there's
anybody that like, jumps in and has no idea what the episode
about. Somewhere, someone must.
Sure, they're like, oh, next episode.
Yeah, autoplay, don't look up, Yeah.
Also, like maybe we also have like alter egos this episode.

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So what else might you call? Yourself I love it all right so
before we get into our special episode couple things to follow
up on last episode about MarilynMonroe.
Of course it makes sense. I found a couple more things I
wish it included because last episode in this episode kind of

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dovetail in a really lovely way.Totally.
Yeah, so we were talking all about Drew and Marilyn Monroe
and any parallels and tributes that Drew has done to her over
the years. And I found this film review
magazine that it was a special Batman Forever issue from 95.
And I'd love this quote, she said.

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I've loved Marilyn since I was alittle girl.
She's the sexiest, most fluorescent woman I've ever seen
in my life. But yet she had that sparkle in
her eye and that great vulnerability.
Women and men both loved her. That's a great quote.
Arrested woman. I'm like that could also be
true. Yeah, and then I just like the

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talking about the vulnerability,like the things that, you know,
that make her charming. That's that's so fun.
All right, so then, yeah. Then you pulled something from
Mirabella magazine, and it was talking about Bert Stern, right?
So I'll go ahead and read this. So Bert Stern, renowned for his
piercing shots of Marilyn Monroeand other screen icons, captured

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Drew for us, culminating his long fascination with her
personality and career. I wanted to photograph her at
least five or six years ago, he says.
People would ask, who do you want to shoot?
And I'd say Drew Barrymore. According to Stern, the
fascination was reciprocal. At the end of the shoot, she
told him. I wouldn't feel right leaving if
I didn't tell this. Ever since I was a little girl,

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I've wanted to work with you. And I jump in there and say,
like, we sort of theorized that,you know, maybe she was thinking
about he shot Marilyn. This is so cool.
But we and I forgot that this article would talk about that
because normally articles don't really reference the photo shoot
that goes with them. Yeah, that's so cool.

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So it goes on a little bit longer, so it says.
To capture Barrymore, Stern put the light unusually close to
her, emphasizing the radiance ofa starlet to capture the image.
The tasteful bouquet held over her new torso seemed only
natural. Although he doesn't see a
parallel in the ups and downs ofhis and Barrymore's careers,
Stern does connect with her acting style.
She's an American dream child, he said.

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Like Marilyn, in a certain way, the product of a dream machine.
That's so cool. Yeah, I love it.
It kind of gave me chills at theend just cuz it's like.
Yeah, I don't know. I wish we'd include a last
episode, but we didn't, so thereit is now.
There it is. And hopefully, you know, all
those people that came from Maryland are here again, like.
Yeah, everyone came back. Everyone is back.

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All right, so now let's jump into our mailbox.
You've got mail. This is just so sweet.
I had to pull it and I asked permission if it was OK to read
one of our wonderful sweet sweetsweet listeners, Luanna from
Brazil. She sent us such a nice message
after the last episode and I thought it would be so cool to
include this. Yeah, let's do it, she said.

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Hi, girls. I just wanted to say how much I
loved this week's episode. The comparison between Drew
Barrymore and Marilyn Monroe wassimply amazing.
I had never thought of it before, but now I can't Unsee
it. Thank you so much for always
bringing such wonderful and exciting news about Drew.
I can't even put into words how grateful I am for all the love
and dedication you put into the podcast.

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Come on, she said. Every time I listen, I feel this
crazy urge to thank you and giveyou both a big warm hug.
Kind of like a Drew style hug. You know that spontaneous hug
that makes you laugh and cry at the same time?
It's almost making me cry. I.
Know. And then she said, Sending all
my love from Brazil. And I hope you always feel

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embraced by your listeners, justlike I feel embraced by you
every week. With love and a big smile,
Luana. Thank you.
So sweet, so sweet. Thank you, Thank you, thank you.
Yes. She's definitely one of those
cheerleaders that I'm like, every time I'm like, oh, we
don't have a lot of listeners orI get like a little down on
analytics and then like a message from her comes through

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and I'm like, no, it's all worthit.
Yeah. And like, you know, this is not
somebody who, like, I knew of being in our droovy community
before. So like, true.
So she's come into my knowledge as a listener, which is really
fun and. Yeah.
I agree that is extra. Special really doing this for
you wanna like you know it's forus and it's for you All right so

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I know there's not much here before we get into weekly topic
but let's talk about what's new with Drew do.
You want to hit the headlines. Headline.
OK, yeah, headline. What singular headline?
This is so strange and confusing, but maybe flower
eyewear is still a thing. So there's a promo photo

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photographer Romano Rosales who also did the AARP photo shoot
from earlier this year. She posted this new promo photo
for Flower Eyewear that she tookof Drew.
It's so cute. No, it's so cute.
This pictures already being usedon the French site Atoll.

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I don't know if that's how you say it.
It's pretty much the only place you can get the new flower
eyewear styles. Why?
Why? Yeah.
What is? Going on?
Yeah. Why?
Well, Walmart has always had, we've always had problems with
Walmart. But like, yeah.
Walmart at Walmart, you know, but.
You know, yeah, that's weird, but.
Yeah, I don't know what this means.

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Like, I guess they're still doing it sort of for this French
site. I mean, I don't.
Know I told you, I feel like I see more like I see a bunch of
styles like in the store at Walmart, but like not online.
So I'm not really sure like whatthat's about.
Like why the marketing is so just like directly to the
stores, like who knows? Confusing.

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Yes, very confusing. But we will continue to report
on it as we know more. Yes, and very, very cute poll.
I actually really like her in these big like almost like
Octagon glasses. I know they're really cool.
They are cool and I almost wouldn't expect a lot of people
don't like pull those off. Of course Drew does, though.
Yeah, she's the one that can pull off a lot of things.

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Oh, look to the Batmobile all. Right guys, probably saw one of
you clicked on this episode, butwe are talking about a film from
1995, one of our favorite Drew era's Batman Forever.

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OK, I'm already going to go off script because you're just
saying 95. I was like #1 I just saw
something earlier today that called this the most 1995 movie
of all 1995 movies. Accurate, right?
And #2 then I was thinking aboutthe fact that we got three major
Drew films released within four months of each other in 95 Crazy

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Boys on the Side, Mad Love, Batman Forever, Boom boom boom.
Yeah, what a time. That is why within four months
you said. Four months, that's.
Never. What a time for real.
I mean, I think we talked about maybe we talked about this
before because like 1998 also three films were released.
So there's this like maybe parallel between like what was
happening in her careers at thattime.

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Those times, you know, like whoa, like she ramping.
It was just, like, doing a lot of work back-to-back.
Yeah. So here we are to talk about
this fun, very 1995 film. But like, you know, watching it,
I was like, have I ever even, like, fully watched this film?
Like I was like laughing so muchlike.
It's there were definitely partsthat I remembered and parts and

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I'm like, what is this? Before we get into everything, I
do want to give some shout outs.So obviously we have, you know,
a massive amount of our personalarchives that we do research
from when we do these kind of episodes.
But I did get a little extra help thanks to the account on
Instagram. Cut Schumacher and we're going

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to talk about them more towards the end of the episode.
But they helped me out with someproduction materials that really
helped me nail down dates and deleted scenes and what was
filmed and what wasn't. So we're going to have like
really cool information that maybe most people don't know
about, especially Drew's part inthis movie.
That is so cool. Oh my God, you know me.

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I I gobble that shit up. So I was losing my mind.
And then I also used the website1995 batman.com for some
research. And those are both just
excellent resources if you're a fan of the film.
And in fact, if you like found this episode because you're
already a fan of the film, you probably already know both of
those resources. But just in case, thanks.

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Yes, that's, that's awesome. And yeah, I love, I love when
production materials are available in any way.
Because if if we don't have those, yeah, like we can't pin
down. Like there really is no other
way to pin down. I mean, it wasn't until doing
this research that I knew she was still filming the movie in

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the beginning of 95. Like that was brand new
information to me so. Cool.
So cool. Let's let's let's get into it.
So I'll just kind of hit some ofthe big kind of credits here at
the top. So we have.
Director Joel Schumacher. We'll talk a little bit about
Drew's like existing relationship with Joel
Schumacher in a bit. The writer credits, there are a

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few of them. So we have Bob Kane, which is
the creator of Batman, Lee Batchelor and Janet Scott
Batchelor wrote the original script.
And then there were major rewrites done by Akiva Goldsman.
OK, Are you ready for the IMDb summary?
Yeah, it's just like way too crowded but OK.
Batman must battle former District Attorney Harvey Dent,

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who is now 2 faced too many words and Edward Nygma, the
Riddler, with help from an amorous psychologist and a young
circus Acrobat who becomes a sidekick.
Robin Cluster. Just a little bit of a cluster,
by the way, like just reading that like summary.

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I read it before I watched it and I was like, circus Acrobat.
Like, I was like, I don't remember.
And like, truly, I don't remember that element at all.
Anyway, it's funny. We'll, we'll talk more about it.
But like, does what? Like, it's like, like, truly
creates that character. Like, it's.
It's great. Yeah.
OK. So Drew said about the film.

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It's the sexiest, most unique and different of all the Batman
movies, filled with genius ideasfrom screenwriter Akiva
Goldsman. Cool.
She definitely was like talking up.
She also said, I won't say it's better than the other Batman
films cuz that could be misconstrued as snotty, but I
think it's very different from the others.
It has a genius screenplay that takes you into this realm of

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total imagination, and I love the fact that Joel played that
up. He really went for the comic
strip idea and the surrealism ofthat, which I agree.
I see. Yeah, OK.
And I also like. I really like the Is it 1989
Batman with Michael Keys. I've never seen it as far as I
know. I mean, I like, that's like
probably the first one I saw andthen I like, you know, I love

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the old TV. Show.
But yeah, I wanted to talk aboutthat at some point.
Let's just say here, like I remember you went through a
phase of being really into the 60s show.
Yeah. And I just, I had watched like a
bunch of the episodes as a kid. And then I think it was like,
yeah, this would have been like,like early on of us like hanging
out a lot. I like really into it like the
early 2000s and I like I like definitely have at least seen

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every episode at least once because I was like watching
reruns enough. It's so fun.
If you guys haven't watched there any of the original 1960s
Batman, Oh my God. It is really fun.
I remember. That's the only time I've seen
it is with you. And I remember really enjoying.
Yeah. So did you find that there were
aspects of that that you recognized in this version?

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Yeah. In some ways for sure, like some
of there's like campiness that like comes through that really
like actually there were definitely a few points.
I wish I had made notes of it, but I was like, that's like kind
of a callback. Oh, I can think of one right
now. There was like a holy something
Batman, but then it ended up being like, he didn't actually.
Mean. No, I would really mean and
there's holes in this metal, yeah.

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Yeah, but I loved it. I was like, Oh my God, they have
some of those in here. But then I was like, it was
playing off the fact and I don'tknow, but yeah, definitely.
I definitely felt that like called to call back to that.
Yeah, for sure. That's cool.
Let's just play this quick little clip of Drew talking to
David Letterman about just gushing a little bit more about

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the movie. I think this Batman, I mean,
it's just different. It has a lot of humor in it.
It's gonna be a little funnier, a little lighter.
Funny, a little bit lighter, butit's, I mean, what Joel
Schumacher did with this film isjust in Joel.
Schumacher is the director. Yeah.
And look at the cast. I mean, you can't go wrong,
yeah. All right, so now let's get into
the development of the film, themaking of.

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There is lots of drama and development and casting stuff
that we're not even going to touch here.
Can't. Even begin to get into.
But in the episode page, we'll have a link to a holiday
reporter article that really gets into those details.
And we are going to focus, as usual, on Drew Barrymore's
participation in this film. So that's where like all of this

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stuff is focused around. So if you are here, that's what
you're going to get. I mean, it's kind of cool
because like it's kind of tunnelly vision, yes.
I don't think there's probably any other resource out there
that's going to talk this much about Drew's particular part
because it's so small. I was actually going to time her
screen time. I never got around to it it.

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Can't be more than two minutes or something.
You think two? I was going to say 5.
Now, somebody out there let us know, like, the first scene is
kind of long, but she's not on screen for a lot of it.
True. Yeah, somebody else knows.
I'm sure of it. There's a lot of people out
there who really, really, reallygo deep for this movie.
Yeah, totally. So.

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We're here to go deep on this particular part, and that's
true. All right, so let's get into the
cast and crew. OK, so the director is Joel
Schumacher as we stated before and him and Drew have a really
special they had a long term relationship.
RIP. He's no longer with us, but.
That's right, I forgot. Yeah, and losing Val Kilmer this
year and it being an anniversaryboth kind of inspired me to want

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to do this episode this year. Not that I have a big Val Kilmer
thing, but I was like, oh, it feels timely.
Let's. Go Yeah.
So we just love this clip of Joel Schumacher talking about
the first time he met Drew. This is from her E Celebrity
pretty profile and we've always loved quoting this, so we're
just going to put it in here foryou guys.
Enjoy. Joel recalls the first time he

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met Drew. I was sitting in a restaurant in
Beverly Hills and with my friends and there was a tug at
my sleeve and this, you know, exquisite 8 or 9 year old child
was standing there and it was Drew Barrymore.
And and she said, hi, I love your movie.
I've seen it 50 times and I knowevery word.
And I was so undone by this beautiful child.

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So we've stayed kind of friendlyand.
And so I was able to call her upand ask her to be in the show.
I do love let's. Get a little Drew impression.
Hi, I love your movie. I think she was talking about
Saint Emil's fire, by the way. I've like somehow found that out
that is. So awesome.

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Yes, we've said, hey, I love your movie.
Like endless times over the lastmany years that we've known each
other. Drew once said.
I've known Joel since I was seven years old, and he's
someone that I truly admire in every way.
Talk about intellect and humor. He was there for me always.
He's always been a strong, supportive friend to me.

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Another one of those people who's, like, looking out for
her. And we have to point out that he
had previously directed Drew in the 1992 show, 2000 Malibu Road.
And I think in this clip, he wastalking about getting her for
the TV show, which is really. Yeah, Yeah.
And that show is very cheesy if you guys don't know it.
Oh, boy. Saxophone.

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Wait, we got to cover that episode by episode?
Oh my God. Maybe for the Patreon?
Yeah, there you go. So he personally asked Drew to
play her part in Batman Forever.Drew said that he called her and
said, I've created this character and it's really you
and I want you to be in it. And of course, she came running.

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And then this is a way with words.
I'm impressed by him. Listen to this.
He said no one in the world was better suited to play sugar.
She's this great, delicious strawberry sundae.
Incredible. Very luscious and funny.
I can. I can almost hear him saying it.
I. Know that is so cool.

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OK, so then he also said about Drew.
He said Drew is this incredible combination.
She is the most vulnerable, the most open, the most delicious
and the most sensitive child. And at the same time, for all
the complex reasons in her life that she's managed to live with
and conquer, she's one of the strongest, smartest, most
actualized human beings that I've ever met.
Come on. So cool, let's talk about kind

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comments corner. So sweet.
And then one more quote from Drew about Joel, she said.
He's just been the kindest, mostwonderful friend, and he's also
the best person to work for as adirector.
He's incredible to work with because he's a professional and
actor's director and visually heputs everything completely out

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100%. I think he has something unique
from any other director I've ever worked with.
I love this thing about visuallyputting out something because
number one, this movie is so awesomely visual.
And we'll talk about that. But our friends at Blockbuster
Wives recently covered this backin March.
And I was just listening to their episode and one of the

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hosts, Shay, pointed out that heactually has, he comes from a
background of costume design andlike art direction, which I
didn't know. So I'm sure that played a huge
part in the way this movie looks.
Yeah, and it's like practical because of the timeline.
It's like, it's like, yeah, it'spractical effects.
It is so fun. I mean, we'll get into a little

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bit more into that, but like, watch it if you want to have
like it's like the perfect popcorn movie.
You know, like eye candy. Yeah, exactly.
OK, so let's just talk a little bit about Val Kilmer.
So Val Kilmer is in the film Bruce Wayne and Batman after
Michael. Same person.
Oops, spoiler alert. Oh my God, if you're Nicole

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Kidman in this movie, you have no idea anyway.
So Val Kilmer took that role after Michael Keaton dropped
out. So I mean, Michael Keaton was an
amazing Batman, but I really think Val Kilmer it does an
amazing job too. We were just talking about that
Val Kilmer has passed. And then I just want to say
something about Val Kilmer. So like, I, you know, I, I think

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of him as a good actor, but I hadn't really watched him in
much and I recently watched Tombstone.
Have you ever seen it? OK, no, I haven't.
Which is just like what, 2 yearsbefore this?
I don't actually know what year it came out.
I think so. Some are very early 90s, yeah.
Actually, I'm just going to look.
You know me and knowing weird fucking years, movies came out

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in the 90s. Never seen 1993.
Don't know much. Yeah, I just why?
Why do I know this stuff? It's so pointless.
It's like the timeline for your brain to have absorbed that, you
know? Anyway, but I watched Tombstone
and it was after he'd passed andI was like, damn, like everyone
talks about how good this movie and how good an actor he is, and
it's just like he has all this range and in that anyway, he's

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amazing in that. But that's cool.
Yeah, so when Val Kilmer passed in April 2025 this year, Drew
said. I was friends with Joel
Schumacher, the director, who I thought of this morning, because
it was he and Val Kilmer that pulled me into Batman Forever.
And Val Kilmer was so nice to me.
He was so nurturing and kind andsafe, which was a very important

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thing for me. I'm imagining her like getting
that news and then she's thinking of Val and she's
thinking of Joel and sad. Yeah, that is really sad.
So of course after filming, rumors came out in the media
that Drew and Val were having anaffair and like they're totally
unfounded. She has always strongly denied

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it. In fact we just did that movie
line 2003 article where the guy's like oh I saw you were
linked to him and she's like Nope, just a friend.
She even approached his ex-wife once in an elevator to let her
know that it was untrue. It was just crazy.
And at the time, her assistant slash Co founder of Flower

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Films, Kim Greitzer said. I was withdrew every day on the
Batman set. And I can say without a doubt
that there's absolutely no truthto that.
She's more in love with Eric than she's ever been with any
man in her life. And Eric was her boyfriend at
the time. Eric Erlinson of the band Hole,
if you don't know. We're going to squash that.
We're squashing it. But then, oddly enough, there's

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this photo shoot that was done for a Details magazine that was
released in June 1995, and it's a photo shoot of just Val Kilmer
and Drew, and it's really cool. I know he's on the.
Cover. Oh, OK.
Yeah, I think I knew that, but. There's just this one tiny
picture where she's included. Why?
Don't know, don't know. And we've before, I think
relatively recently, or maybe itwas a while ago, I don't know,

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we hadn't seen anything. But this one image where Val
Kilmer is like appears upside down and it looks like Drew's
like propping him up. If I'm sure we'll put it in the
episode gallery because. It's really cool.
Yeah, we'll have to. You're right.
I missed that one when I did. I already made the gallery, but
I'll have to put this one in there.
I forgot it. I mean, it's just such a cool
picture. Like I think I I've never not
thought it was cool. Like there's I haven't gotten

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bored of it. I just want to say those were
taken by Albert Watson, who did also Drew's shoots for details
in 93. I was just going to say that
name sounds familiar. So maybe he's just like, I know
Drew, I'll have her come do this.
So I don't know. It's Rantab.
She didn't do like promo for this movie officially.
She didn't do like the press junkets.
She went on some talk shows because she was promoting a lot

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at this time. But it was always like, oh,
well, you're in the new Batman movie.
It wasn't like she was there forthat purpose.
So it's very interesting. Maybe Albert Watson can tell us.
Maybe so, but yeah, we've since seen one outtake.
Yeah, our friend Kent has AI think it's a slide of this

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really cool picture of them standing in front of the wall.
Yeah, it's really cool. And I think, I hope I'm not
wrong with it. Definitely.
Albert talked about where this was taken and I want to say it
was the Chelsea Hotel, but I'll double check.
Oh, that's cool. That's really cool.
All right, going back to the cast.
Yeah, let's go back to the cast.So Tommy Lee Jones plays two

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face, and so Drew has quite a few scenes with him.
Well, actually, she really only has one, if you think about it.
And Drew and Debbie Mazar, who we'll talk about in a second,
they were talking on The Drew Barrymore Show in 2024 about
what a grump he was, and this isjust too funny.
We have to include Drew talking about this.
Yes. OK, here we go.

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Tommy Lee Jones is always so grumpy and and.
And. Intense.
He was a grump. And and intense.
He was so intense and we were like his his malls.
Yeah, Tommy wasn't happening yet.
Like. And not at.
All I'm like his worst nightmare.
I'm like. Oh my God, Tommy Lee Jones on
that? Yeah.

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And he, yeah, he just, he gave me a lot of side eye.
I couldn't imagine that picture.It like 100% I could picture it.
Plus Drew's like hanging it up, like literally dancing like when
she's talking. About that had her feather boa.
Yes. Watching his parts with the

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subtitles on, which, you know, I'm not a big subtitles person,
but I was like, it was necessaryfor the environment I was
watching this in. It was so funny because he does
all these really goofy sounds and a lot of his scenes.
So the subtitles are just like ha ha ha ha or like.
And I because I'd like looked atthe notes before I started it.

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I like paid particular attentionand I was cracking up.
Like the sounds alone are funny,but you're right that the
captions do add to it. So if you're if you're listening
and you're going to watch it, which right, I think it's
currently streaming on H. BOHBO Max Max, whatever they're
calling themselves. Today, I think they're back to
calling themselves HBO Max, which I think so too.

(28:09):
Good, because I always just called you HBO.
Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
So you got to. You got to do subtitles on.
I agree. All right, so let's just get in
a little about Jim Carrey as theRiddler.
He's definitely like the star ofthe film, right?
Like steals the show. Yeah, and I think it's like the
perfect role for him. And it's like peak Jim Carrey.

(28:32):
I was like thinking in my mind. And then I like read again.
So the year before was Ace Ventura, Dumb and Dumber and The
Mask. So it's like Jim Carrey is like
the guy. Like he was the highest paid
actor in Hollywood for a little while.
Wow. I know it's but I mean he's.
Like total, it's like peak, it'speak Jim Carrey for like that

(28:52):
timeline like. I I love.
Eternal Sunshine of the SpotlessMind, but that's like the other.
Very different other Jim. Carrey.
That was like, not the 1990s JimCarrey.
Yeah, not the really outrageous rubber faced at the cane work.
Props to him for that cane work.I saw something where he talked
about how he just did it over and over and over and would like

(29:13):
destroy them constantly and it'slike when he needs another cane,
but it really pays off. It's very impressive.
Yeah, there's, there's lots of like, of course, physical, you
know of. Course.
Physicality. Yeah, I also saw something, I
think it was maybe Joel Schumacher talking about how it
might feel like he was improvising a lot, but it what

(29:35):
mostly was like on the page. And they there was so much like
continuity that they had to get right.
That he really did have to do the same thing like over and
over again and get it the same. And he just is that talented to
make it feel like he was coming up with it on the spot, which is
really pretty interesting. It is interesting.
Interesting. And it's, yeah, like this, I'm
not, like, a huge fan of this type of acting, like, generous,

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but it's perfect for this. And it's perfect for things like
the mask, you know, like, it's perfect for some of the roles
that he played. Like, it makes sense.
So Drew has admitted to having acrush on him.
And she didn't really get to engage with him too much because
she was, like, in character on set the whole time.
So she's like, you know, she didn't really get to see him as

(30:21):
the human. Jim Carrey, He was still
probably like Venus Girl. Yummy.
Absolutely. Yeah.
She also has said that like, being there for his performance
was like watching art unfold before your eyes.
So super cute. Yeah, that is really cute,
right? So I love this picture you

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dropped in here, by the way. That's like a new find on the
Internet. It just came out like in the
last year. Really cool picture of the
cinematographer, Drew and Debbieand Jim and then Joel in the
middle. We'll share that in the gallery.
I think I already put it in there.
That's really cool. All right, so who else?
Cuz there's a bunch of big namesin this.
Oh my gosh. So we'll briefly talk about

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Nicole Kidman as Chase Meridian.She is bananas in this movie.
Firstly though, I was like, I don't think Drew has ever spoken
about working with her, which iskind of surprising, right?
They must have just really not engaged with each other or
something. But no, do they even share any

(31:25):
scenes? But they do they have that scene
at the party. They don't like talk to each
other in it, but they would havebeen on set together.
So I just thought that was like notable for some reason.
And like I could easily not not super easily, but like somewhat
easily forget because there yeah, there hasn't been totally
recalling it or discussing it inlike whatever later years.
All right, so let's get into thevery fun.

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I think this is fun. Chris O'Donnell as Robin.
It's hilarious. Like it's hilarious.
So Drew and Chris O'Donnell had just filmed Mad Love together.
It was literally released like afew weeks before this film and
they don't share any screen timetogether in it.
But I think there are like a couple little things worth

(32:10):
talking about regarding his his performance it does make.
Me like a little sad that they're never together in the
movie but yeah I because he is like mad love to me like that's
what I know him forever and he'ssuch like dork and mad love yeah
I had a really hard time like. Having him be this cool
character. So I I did too, but I also was

(32:35):
like, he's pulling it off. Yeah, like it's more because I
just associate him with mad love.
Me too. I mean, I, I don't even think
I've really watched him in anything else.
Like, I know he's had been like a bunch of like on TV for a long
time, like, yeah, and like police shows and whatever, but I
will always think of him as the character in Mad Love for sure.

(32:57):
So watch, I was like, he's beinga little too cool, like.
OK, we both we both felt the same way.
Yeah, yeah, it was a little too like, wait, why can he do that?
Like, you mean why can he flip his laundry around like I'm some
kind of weird martial artist? Oh my God, that scene.
It also was like, those things are not getting dry.

(33:19):
They were like hung up all funkyafter that.
But yeah, he literally is doing karate with his laundry.
Just another, you know, to show his acrobatic skill, I guess.
So, yeah, I'll just say one morething because I don't think
we're going to talk about, like,his character development all
but like, yeah, yeah. So he's like, literally an
Acrobat. He and his family are like the

(33:41):
Graysons. Is that what their names?
Are trophies artists? Yeah, so they're like, literally
there's this amazing like thing where they're showing them like
do their performance and then what?
Because like is it too faced that like comes and like take
tries to take over the circa basically does completely take
over the circus tent and then his his entire family dies.
Yeah, like tragically dies. But the funny part is that when

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they pan to his face seeing all his dead family, he makes the
exact same face that he makes inMad Love when Drew pulls a gun
on him. Spoiler.
Please tell me you pulled a screenshot I.
Didn't when we've always laughedabout that together.
So all right, I'll I'll pull a screenshot.
I mean, I don't know. What face would you make you get

(34:27):
a gun pulled on you? I don't know.
It's appropriate, but we, you know, we always laughed about
it. So when it came up in this
movie, I was like pause text and.
Yeah, that was, that was good, yeah.
All right, let's talk about our girl.
Yes, so Drew is Sugar in this film.
She is the light side of two faces, Little girls, and Debbie

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Mazar is Spice the dark side. Very literal splitting of the
two. Yep.
Originally their characters werenamed Leather and Lace, but that
was deemed to be a little too racy by the studio, so their
names had to be changed to the PG13 version.
And their names are never said in the film, which is kind of

(35:08):
funny and sort of sad. But the script, yeah, the script
versions like that came out as they were filming.
You see it change. So it changed during production,
but funnily enough, some magazine like must have printed
that gone to print before it changed.
And it actually does caption them as Leather and Lace, which
is fun. Oh, that is kind of fun.

(35:29):
I was actually wondering. So like, these characters didn't
exist before this. Like, was written.
OK Yeah. So it's like anything that came
out about it was like post the film.
That's that's so. Interesting.
I know. OK, so this is like about kind
of the development of the character.
So Drew said Joel knows how muchI love Marilyn Monroe and I said

(35:49):
let's do a tribute to her sugarslike this glitter dipped
Marilyn. And it is a tribute.
You can only do things like thatwith an icon like Marilyn.
You should never try to copy herbecause she can't be copied.
If you listen to the last episode, this was in that too,
but it's completely 100% relevant in both.
I know which I love. So while I was watching, I kind
of noticed that her look and hervibe and very much so the set

(36:14):
design of the sugar side of Two Faces hideout was super giving
me Jean Harlow in dinner at 8:00.
And I even started pulling pictures and I was like like,
there's no way this wasn't a reference.
Like it's so similar to the set design with the feathers and the
lamps and the right. Yeah, a white, white, white,

(36:36):
white, white. I mean, we have to just say also
like that Drew's family's in dinner date, right?
John Barrymore's in dinner date.John and Lionel.
That's right. Anyway, so continue because it's
really good. Definitely mentioned that.
So I found a quote where Joel Schumacher kind of like backs up
my hunch because he said he wanted sugar to be quote, Drew
Barrymore meets Marilyn Monroe meets Jane Harlow meets those

(37:00):
naughty Vargas pinup girls. I was like, yes, I saw that in
influence and there it is. So that was fun.
It's yeah, it's very like, it's like a the same like, I don't
know what I was going to say. Drapey White.
Yeah. But like, yeah, like visual,
textual, like they're like, yeah, it's like multiple layers
of like similarities for sure. She even wears like feather.

(37:24):
And glitter in that movie, like it's, it's there for sure.
I love Jean Harlow. I think that's the movie I want
to watch for the Patreon Barrymore movie.
So we'll get to enjoy that together.
We'll talk about it then. And this last little thing is
that I saw Joel said Debbie got the part when she sent pictures
of herself dressed as Betty Page.
So that's sort of like Drew's like the the blonde bombshell

(37:45):
and then Debbie's like the, you know, the more dark, naughty
whip toting ladies. So they're so fun together in
this movie. Yeah, it's, it's really fun.
I wish they had. I wish we could see more of them
like. We should have.
We'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah, it is their.
Their dichotomy is really fun, so the roles were expanded from

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what was originally only to be like a two to three day cameo.
Early versions of the script only feature Sugar and Spice at
two Faces layer, which is the first scene.
The party scene in the final showdown at Riddler's layer
didn't include them in earlier versions.
That's interesting and like, cool.
We're so lucky that they went. Wait a minute.

(38:30):
Yeah, girls are cool. Put them in there.
Yeah, So Drew rather than like think like, I guess thinking of
it as a cameo, she called the small part as a like Co Co star,
which I that works really well. Yeah, it's really cute, Yeah.
And Drew said about Sugar. I think that Sugar is just a
very pure, angelic, evil, delicious creature.

(38:53):
She represents the good side of two faced, but the good side of
two faced is still evil. And she also has said that
Debbie gave her so much confidence when they were
filming. And she said we get along really
well. We're easygoing, we laugh a lot.
And it's not fake. We really do genuinely like each
other, which is nice. That's cool, that's really cool.

(39:13):
Drew loves her female relationships, right?
Totally that like build up on each other like give each other
confidence like that's the exactly type of relationship she
wants with her Co stars. Co Co Stars.
Co, Co stars. Yeah.
When we met, it was like, whoa, we're going to do this great,
and we're going to have fun and look as cool as we can for
Joel's movie. Yeah, Hell yeah.

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So sweet. Yeah, so sweet.
A few years later, Debbie was offered the part as Holly on The
Wedding Singer, which we found out when she was on the show.
On Drew Show, not on our show. And she regretted turning it
down. That movie ended up, you know,
letting snare was a huge, huge sass, so.
That's so interesting to just imagine how she would have

(39:56):
played that part. Right, It does it.
I can't picture it because Christine Taylor is so good, you
know, like, but it's still fun to imagine.
We always like thinking about cast like differences.
And then Drew and Debbie Mazar reunited on this first season of
Hollywood Squares, which was also really fun to see.
I. Know that picture of them
together I was like oh if Debbiejust had turned her head towards

(40:19):
Drew and when the perfect littlecall back to their totally but
it's still awesome. So just a quick couple little
credits. The key makeup artist was V Neil
and Drew has called her a Hollywood legend, which she is
so Drew has like sort of simplermakeup than some of the other
cast members. She's got a lot of glitter, a
lot of jewels, like me today. But she said even that took one

(40:43):
to two hours in the makeup chairevery day.
Wow. Yeah.
But yeah, there's a lot of like,more intense makeup like if
you're watching. This totally Tommy Lee Jones.
No wonder he was so grumpy. That had to have taken like
hours and hours and hours, like nuts.
All right, so the key hair stylist was Yolanda to sing.
I don't know if I'm saying that correctly.

(41:05):
There's an exhibit of wigs that she's worked with at the Academy
Museum. I think I could picture that
exhibit. It's really cool.
I'm trying to actually picture which wig I was really.
I think there's I know. Did she do Misses Doubtfire?
Yeah, and then Batman and Robin,the Poison Ivy, like red wig is
there. That's right, Beetlejuice.
Yeah. Beetlejuice.

(41:26):
Yeah, so it was. I remember seeing distinctly
seeing Beetlejuice and Misses Doubtfire.
Anyway, so very cool. So Drew's hair in this film is
like a really curly platinum blonde wig, you point out.
It's not that much different than the woo woo bouncy of her
hair earlier in the year that isfeatured really prominently in
Boys on the Side. I know I wonder, like, was that

(41:47):
inspired in any way? Maybe not, but it's kind of fun
that, you know, it's a couple months.
Apart, Yep, totally. And it's, yeah, it's like a
very, very like platinum, like perfect, perfect blonde color.
I know it's gorgeous. So it's unclear to me if V and
Yolanda themselves worked specifically on Drew.
And there's some notes that we'll get to a little bit later

(42:10):
about like why I think maybe they didn't, but they were the
key. So they're like the head of the
department. But costume designer Ingrid
Ferran, she did do Drew's costumes.
And you came up with this reallycool quote from a book you have,
which I was so excited to include this.
So Ingrid said I wanted to make sugar and spice sexy without it

(42:30):
being tacky or trashy or exposing body parts.
I just wanted the lines of the costumes to leave everything up
to the imagination. Joel wanted Drew Barrymore sugar
to be just the color of cream. All the soft and delicate things
in life. Such a good quote.
You have it. Yeah, It's like, it's like,
perfect to like, yeah, because she's basically wearing

(42:51):
lingerie. Yeah, I mean like corsets and
stockings. But but there it isn't that
revealing. That's true, yeah, Drew said.
I had never worn clothes like that before or since.
We were very corseted. And she was even asked on the
red carpet, like, oh, everyone'scomplaining about their

(43:13):
costumes. Like, what did what did you
think? And I thought this was fun, what
she said. No, my costumes are incredible.
They're beautiful. They weren't, you know, with
decadence does not always come comfort, but you know what, You
got to just live with it for it so.
I like with decadence does not always come comfort.
That's like such a 95 drew thingto say.

(43:34):
It is. I feel like that's like very
like. I love the dictionary.
Yeah. I don't know.
I don't know. So in our previous Met episode,
we mentioned that her clothing in the party scene is, is like
pretty much almost definitely inspired by Marilyn's dress from
the Life magazine shoot from 1952.

(43:56):
When you put the photo side by side, it's like, it's
undeniable. Yeah, it's pretty much
undeniable. Like there are multiple elements
like rushed, like arms on the sleeves that like are off the
shoulder, like a silvery sparklybrooch that it's in a different
spot in a different. Shape.
I love that her brooch in BatmanForever is a butterfly.
Like that was intentional, right?

(44:17):
I mean it. Has to be.
It has to be. Yeah.
The same way that, like, Drew's bedroom in Mad Love is covered
in butterflies. Yeah.
Yeah, that's, I mean, she'd justgotten done filming that and
probably she had just gotten hertattoo earlier this year too.
So she was in a big, big butterfly phase.
Yeah, that is cool to like thinkall of those things.

(44:37):
I mean, we always associate themwith her, but it's like it's
cool that it's also. Really.
At this time? Yeah, for sure.
So principal filming began in September 1994.
I thought, this is always fun tome.
They had a code name for the movie.
They do that sometimes to throw people off their track.
And it's called Blinko. Like what does that mean?

(44:58):
Starts with AB. Other than that, like, yeah.
So Drew filmed in Los Angeles for sure, in November 1994.
That's when the party film was seen.
I was 10. Oh, wow, that's crazy.
And then she also filmed again in January 1995.
So like I said, that was new to me that she was still filming.

(45:18):
Yeah. And filming went on until March
95, three months before this movie came out.
That is so fast. That's nuts.
I mean, it had to be like just like little reshoots, but still
like. Yeah, I mean, the editing for
this could not have gone quickly, but it I guess it did.
I don't know. This is wild because this is a
huge movie. Yeah, but it was probably like

(45:40):
so huge that like there was no, they were going to like, no way
they were going to push like a date back, you know, they just
throw some more people on it, put some more money into it.
Yeah, that's so fun. Now that we've kind of talked

(46:04):
about the development this film coming to be, let's talk about
the movie itself a little bit. Yeah, this is sort of different
because we're not going to go through the whole movie, you
know, like we're here for for a girl.
But overall, like it's super cheesy, like you just have to
accept that, right? But like in a great 95 way.

(46:26):
I I should mention. So this is the summer before I
went into high school and this is when I first got MTV.
So I was like the peak demographic for this movie.
Like I fully knew about it. I will talk about the music
videos later on, but they were like inundating in my life.
And so this and just to be like 13 years old in this, it's like

(46:51):
such a pivotal time in your life, right.
So I was taken back like just from the music or the visuals.
It was like, oh, I'm back to that time in my life.
So I have like a soft spot for it for being from 95.
Yeah, but all that aside, like, I think the scale of this movie
is really cool and you just don't see it that much anymore

(47:12):
to have, like, humongous practical sets on studios.
And I love all the neon lights in this movie.
I'm a big neon light girl. Hundreds of extras, You know,
they're not like computer generated.
Yes, the. Costumes and wigs for everyone,
not just Drew, are so elaborate and so fun.
Like, I mean, Debbie Mazar's looks are rad.

(47:33):
Yeah, they are. And they're like very, like,
beautifully orchestrated. Like, all detailed.
Yeah. Yes, like skull, like metal
skulls on these, like leather corsets.
Oh my God. And like Jim, Carrey's outfits
are all incredible. So cool.
Like his hair at the end like this great.
Like his hair evolutionist moviemakes zero sense but it's so fun

(47:56):
to see just. One other thing about the
costumes about like Jim Carrey'slike as the Riddler, I was like
noticing like I was just like looking at the question Marks
and that they were like swayed on.
I don't know, it just looked really cool for something that
is like not a cool outfit, you know?
No detail. I know.
Like even in that part where he's wearing like the mask and
like one of the eyes becomes thequestion mark.

(48:17):
Did you notice that like the dotis on his face, but the mask
makes the question mark. It's so cool.
It's so cool. So all the visuals again, like
it really takes me back to this time.
Like it actually, I'm jumping the gun here, but it got
nominated for best cinematography.
Like there's beautiful shots in this movie.
That's. Cool.

(48:37):
But for me, there's definitely alot of stuff that made no sense
in the story. Like, so a moment where like
Robin wants to join up and Batman just out of nowhere is
like I'm quitting being Batman. I was like, what?
Like that came out of nowhere. It's like, no, you can't.
I want to be your sidekick, so you have to.

(48:57):
Like there's definitely a couplethings.
I was like, OK, we're just goingto like.
They're just throwing in a, they're throwing in a little
conflict, like I was not paying attention to the plot.
Yeah, and like the whole stuff with Nicole Kidman's character,
she was really throwing me everyscene.
I was like, what is happening with you, lady?

(49:18):
Like, she's in love with Batman after talking him for three
seconds, and she's like throwingherself at him.
And then she's like hanging out with Bruce.
Even though her heart belongs toBatman.
She never knows they're the samelike she's supposed to.
It'd be brilliant. I'm like girl.
She doesn't know they're the same until she kisses Batman and
then Bruce comes over and then she kisses no, she kisses Bruce

(49:41):
and then she then there's an emergency.
At that point, I don't think sheknew it.
I think she went, oh, I actuallydon't want Batman.
I want Bruce. Batman was the old me.
And now I I'm grown up and I'm ready for Bruce instead.
Not I know you're both. I feel like he goes to tell her
when she gets kidnapped. He's gonna tell her she's over

(50:03):
at his house and he's like, there's something up to tell
you. And she's like, I don't wanna
hear you. I just wanna jump on top of you
and make out with you. And then she gets kidnapped.
And I think that's how she findsout.
Am I thinking of something rightafter that?
Is it that the exact same momentthat like they come in to
capture anyway. Yeah.
Anyway, she was wild to me. I was having.

(50:23):
I mean, I, I was like all of my disbelief was, you know, yeah,
I. Mean even the thing of like she
sees that he identifies the Rorschach as a bat but she just
like doesn't think about it. But then when the Riddler and
Two Faced see he's thinking about Bats, they're like, now we
know he's Batman for sure. Which like, yeah, I think if you

(50:44):
put the pieces together, you'd be like, yeah, that makes a lot
of sense. That's him.
But I also think it's actually really funny that what he's
thinking about, it's just a bat flying.
I love it. Literally.
I love it so much so I I just have to say, like I saw, I felt
like the campiness of this was akin to Charlie's Angels and

(51:05):
like it was, you know, the colorfulness little like
cheesiness, the fun. Like, yeah, I felt it.
A few. Times, I have the exact same
thought many times. And also like how Charlie's
Angels is always like, oh, don'tpay attention to the story, Just
have a lot of fun watching it. I was like, Yep, see it.
Like, Yep, yeah, it's kind of fun.
And it's like neat that we both came away with that comparison.

(51:27):
But it makes sense. They have like, they're like
kind of in the not, not in the same genre, but are like
Charlie's Angels films are not supposed to be taken super
seriously. They're supposed there can't be
outrageous action. You're meant to come out of it,
like, feel good, Right. Yeah.
OK. I, I love that you pulled the
screenshot of this. So Drew's credit at the

(51:49):
beginning of the movie is by itself on the screen, which is
so neat because like, the next time they show credits, it's
like Debbie Mazar's, along with like two other names.
Yeah, I think it's really like notable.
I'm sure that I've seen not for this movie, but for other movie
I've seen the contract. I was just going.
To go into these, it's very likemindfully decided whose name

(52:13):
goes where and how. So I'm sure for her to have like
earned the spot at this time in her career, she was not like,
yes, she had three movies come out, boom, boom, boom.
But she was still not, you know,she didn't have the pull.
She was an A list at this point,let's call it.
So I think this was a get. Yeah, I mean, I think it's also
like like she if, if Joel like was like pulling her into the

(52:38):
film, it might have been like, oh, like we see that you are a
big star. We want to use your power for
the film, you know, like, yeah, I don't know.
It's it's fun to think of that. So originally in the original
script, there was an earlier scene with Too Faced that
introduces sugar and spice at his layer, but it was deleted
from the final shooting script. So I don't think this was ever

(53:01):
filmed. And it it makes sense because
it's very similar to what we do get in the movie.
So it's almost like they merged the original introduction with
the second one into this one. It's much cleaner.
So it's just them kind of doing the same like so I'm the light
side and I'm the bad side talking to face.
It's very similar. It is very.
Similar. I love the description in this

(53:21):
script though of quote UN quote Lace.
So it says Lace, A submissive blonde in Victoria Secret's
Lacey Best, nestles his good side and pets a white kitten.
I love that little like doggy purse at the party.
Like fluffy white doggy burst. So she does, she does.

(53:41):
So that's that's kind of fun. OK.
And then here we are at the first appearance of Drew in the
film, 52 minutes in. That's.
Crazy that it's that far in. Maybe it would have been that's
to be a little earlier, but no, I guess not.
I guess originally it was going to be, but we need to have the
Riddler has established himself as the Riddler cause the whole

(54:03):
beginning of the movie. He's going through his journey
to get there. That's what am I gonna true
myself? What am I gonna wear?
And it's all fun and it's reallyfun, surprisingly fun.
So here we are at Two faces Hideout, which is such a cool
set. And I love that you acquired
this photograph of the set like lit Up I.

(54:25):
Know I was just like hoping to find pictures of the sets and
this one was on IMDb for like a welder who worked on the movie
he had uploaded it. It's so neat.
That's it's so neat because it'slike the whole background is
split like dark and light. So it's it's pretty cool to see
that. I did see somewhere that that's
actually pulled from the comics,that two faces place was always

(54:48):
split down the middle like that.So I like that little homage.
Yeah, there's so many times throughout the film where he's
like smoking 2 cigarettes. He has like 2 drinks.
It's like, it's like kind of like, it's really funny.
I kind of laughed every time. I'm like, I'm so glad they're
doing this. And like, they don't stop.
OK, so we'll talk. About Drew so two faces like
monologuing to himself, I guess,to the girls.

(55:11):
I love how he's always like us. He's talking about himself as
two people throughout the whole movie.
But I love Drew's there to give him a cigarette on one side.
And I love how she like swishes her robe around in this scene
like she's wearing just like we said, lingerie this like see
through feathery robe and she's like really making the most of

(55:33):
it. She has all these like sparkly
jewels all over her. There's the glitter dipped that
she called herself. She looks like an Angel.
She looks so beautiful in this. She looks really beautiful and
she's you can tell she's having fun.
Yeah. Like the yeah, the the like
swishing of the shoulder. Very like Stampy.
You know, she's like living out her fantasy hair.

(55:55):
Yep, Yep. And this is so cool.
So the wig is styled differentlythan it is in the promo shoot,
which I feel like I'm like most familiar with the promo shoot.
So it's really neat. Yeah, and she's wearing the
outfit she wears in the promo pictures, but she's got this
cute little like, sparkly bow that's pulling her hair back,

(56:15):
which it's. It's adorable.
Yep, it is really adorable. And then there are only a couple
lions here. Yeah, she definitely makes the
most out of them. Like I just love her delivery,
her whole vibe in this. She does so great with this
little bit that she has to do. Yep, I'm going to go ahead and
play just this bit because we got to just like soak it in.

(56:38):
It's it's really, really fun. Don't worry, baby.
He'll. Kill him soon.
Besides, I made your favorite tonight, sparkling champagne and

(56:59):
yummy poached salmon with littleitty bitty quail eggs and a
creamy, dreamy lemon souffle. I can hear the Tommy Lee Jones
sounds. I think there's something
really, I think it's just the like cracking of a voice that

(57:19):
I'm like that's 1994 or 5 Drew like I could.
You didn't hear that. I don't.
Almost have this like I don't want to say this, but almost
like put on accent sometimes around this era.
It also reminds me of when she'sat the 98 Oscars presenting and
she's like as the road demands. Like, it's very much the same
sort of voice. Like almost Shakespearean a

(57:42):
little bit like she's just, she's just calling upon her
ancestors in a miles way. So then the Riddler pops in and
yeah, who are you? How'd you find us?
It doesn't really make any sense, but whatever.
Just go with it. And there's a lot of too faced
in the Riddler, back and forth, up in each other's faces.

(58:02):
And I was like, oh, just watching that scene, I could
definitely see that. Like they didn't get along or
drove like Tommy Lee Jones did not like Jim Carrey and like, I
thought he was a buffoon. That's like a much quoted thing.
And yeah. Like he said.
That Jim Carrey has said that like he met him right before
filming and the quote was from Tommy Lee Jones.

(58:23):
I cannot sanction your buffoonery and I felt it
watching this. I was like, oh, they're almost
trying to like out do each otherand.
It's out buffoon each other fun.Also like it's just funny to
imagine like the reason he was grumpy in the makeup chair
because he's like. I got to work with this clown.

(58:45):
But also like you literally haveto act like clown totally just
because someone else is like a clown in a different way and
they're more like. I did see something else where
Jim Carrey was like, you know, you got to bring this almost
childlike wildness to this part.And he was like, I don't know
how Tommy's going to do with that.
Like because he was so grumpy and serious maybe, but I think

(59:08):
he brought it. I think he brought it too.
I think he just probably was just on for only the camera or
something, you know? So in this scene I love, they
like keep kind of flashing back to sugar and spice a couple
times. They're loving this.
Yeah, they're a loving it. And there's a conversation that
ends up happening where the Riddler and Two Face are talking

(59:29):
about killing Batman. And then they, like, look over
to Sugar and Spice and like, Drew just has the cutest little
smirk. There's a couple times in this
movie where she's like reacting to violence and she's like
loving it. I might be good, but I'm still
evil. Yeah.
And then like this scene kind ofI guess culminates in both Sugar

(59:51):
and Spice being attached to the like 3 DTV mind control device.
And they show, you know, Drew like being mind controlled and
it's so like weirdly cute it. Is just watching like a little
cartoon of like a Cupid, right? And then Spice is watching like
like a Tom and Jerry with like flames that looks like it's in
hell or something. I don't think I like really

(01:00:13):
looked at what they were watching, like I was too busy
looking at their faces. I just realized, as I said, that
isn't Tom and Jerry Warner Brothers.
I bet that's like why they have the right probably do it.
That's funny, I could be wrong. Make a lot of sense, Warner
Brothers. Yeah, it's, it's on the Warner
Brothers website. So you are correct.
And that's pretty much it with their first scene, but there

(01:00:37):
were some early script drafts that had one more small little
scene that does end up making its way into the comic
adaptation, which is cool. So you can see like some visuals
that were imagined for it. But it takes place after the
Riddler and two faced go in thiscrime spree to get money, and
now they're his, the box, I guess is his device.
It's now like got funding. So anyway, they're all sitting

(01:01:00):
around, all four of them on a couch and they're like getting
high, like taking hits off the device.
And my thought was they probablycut that out of the script.
Like we're not going to do this because there is like a drug use
innuendo and they were going formore PG13 as we said.
Yep. But like, you can still make

(01:01:21):
that connection that like just acouple of them are junkies.
That's true. They're they're junkies for
something. All right, so should we go to
Drew's next scene? Yes, party time.
OK, so this was filmed the monthI was 10 years old, November
1994, at the Pantages Theatre inLA That's, that's cool to know.

(01:01:42):
Yeah. The only like behind the scenes
kind of set photos of Drew on this movie are from the scene.
And then I was thinking, that makes sense because this is
actually on location and all theother scenes are in studio.
That makes sense. So the paparazzi was out there
getting her. I, I mean, these pictures of her
in that costume, but covered up with like a little jacket and

(01:02:03):
she's got, of course, I'm gonna assume iced tea in a cup.
Like, Yep, it looks like it. I love these pictures.
I think I have a couple of these, like printed like 4 by
sixes. Yeah, they're.
So cool. There's just something about the
juxtaposition of her all dolled up like this.
In, like, real life, yeah. So, Oh my God, she's so

(01:02:24):
beautiful in this scene. I know we said that in the last
scene. She's just glitter glowing,
gorgeous, all the GS in this part.
And I was thinking like, I bet she was excited.
She's like, so she comes to the party as Edward Nigma.
You know, again, Batman doesn't put it together that the Riddler
and Edward Nigma are the same guy.

(01:02:47):
Just go with it. So she's like his date, you
know, undercover working for this little party so that she
can be there to cause trouble ifand to help him out.
Yep, she just does. Like we said before, she just
does great with these like subtle reactions to what's going
on in the scene. Like, she's just like making all

(01:03:08):
these cute little faces and she loves all the shenanigans that
are going down and she's just living it up.
Oh Eddie, he is too cute. How come you don't look so good
in that suit? Shut up, you're here to work.
How's my mold? Fine, Mr. Wayne.

(01:03:28):
Mr. Wayne, What about he's loving Batman's too?
Or Prince Wayne, I guess a lot of there's a lot of double
identities in this film. Yes, there are.
And I'm sorry if I didn't reply to you saying like she was so
excited to be on like Jim Carrey's arm because I couldn't.
Like I was thinking about that her crush when I was watching,

(01:03:50):
like how how extra fun that would make it when you're like
standing like next to a clown, like, you know, like, I don't
know, a clown man. And then, you know, she gets to
meet Bruce Wayne and she's flirting with him because that's
her character and that's what she does.
I think it's really fun how she reacts to Bruce Wayne.

(01:04:12):
I'm Bruce Wayne, Miss. You can call me anything you
want. This is that's just a call back
to the beginning of our. Episode, that's what I was
referencing, guys, if you didn'tknow.
I love that part. And then she's kind of, again,
like we said, she's sort of likethere to be sort of sneaky and

(01:04:33):
work things. So Riddler takes Chase off, off
to dance, which again. And I'm like, why is she so
willing to go with this guy? It's super weird.
She's crazy. But then that allows Sugar to
like, you know, come over and let's get Bruce Wayne to go into
the box room. That's on the side of this
party. And, and, and that I got to play

(01:04:55):
this clip too because I think it's so fun.
So like he's like lured over somehow.
He's looking at the machine. This, it's so silly, this whole
thing because he's like, oh, like, how do you turn it off?
Then she like very like seductively like takes it out
and like puts it into her clothing.
Naughty naughty looking for something.

(01:05:17):
I was just just wondering how you turn it off.
I'm looking for. Something and I think that's her
last line in the movie. I don't think she has any
dialogue. After this, I think you're
right. That's crazy.
But yeah, that scene. And then she like, he walks in
there and then she powers it back on.
Like, would do we believe that like Bruce Wayne, Batman would

(01:05:39):
like be that foolish? I mean like.
I said he didn't put it togetherthat the Riddler was Edward
Nygma after he like like accosted him at work and clearly
lost his mind in front of him. Anyway, so sadly 2 faced and
spice come in and we don't see Drew anymore in this scene.
I was like oh Spice is here now by Drew.

(01:06:01):
But there was a small scene thatwas filmed here, and it's of
Sugar and Spice basically, like escaping after all kind of all
hell breaks loose. So there's like, fighting
happening. And Sugar and Spice rushed to
the elevator, not in time. And Sugar says we got to vacate

(01:06:22):
and fast. Where are the stairs and Spice?
30 stories. In these heels pretending I'm
flipping open a portable phone. I know a guy with a helicopter.
OK so I didn't realize like these pictures are of that being
filled. And so for a while, I would see
these pictures and I'm like, is this a cut scene?

(01:06:44):
Or is Debbie just like on her personal phone and they're
standing on the set? But then I was like, this is 94.
Like how many people had a foam this size?
Like, it probably was made-up for the movie that she had a
little phone like this, because it's very tiny.
That is so funny, I love that kind of stuff.
And this comes up again in the other scene that's cut in a

(01:07:06):
minute we'll talk about, but this is very like the exact same
beats are hit. So sugar and spice like escaping
because spice apparently has this whole side life or she
knows guys that can do things. Sugar.
Sugar I guess doesn't have the same connections.
Sugar just wants to like, lounge, you know, like, I'm just
like picturing like the Grand Hotel photos of like, Harlow in

(01:07:29):
her bed. And like, that's what Sugar does
eating. Delicious things in bed, yeah.
Lemon Souffle. Creamy, dreamy.
I'm just going to replace all the clips of Drew talking with
you. All right, so let's let's get to

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the final showdown at Riddler's lair.
And this is Drew's last scene. Yeah, this is basically like the
like the end, right? Pretty much the end of the
movie, yeah. This part was filmed in mid
January of 1995, which you just found out because of that that
information you got from. Pat Schumacher, that's so cool.
I mean, this was filmed on a stage at Warner Brothers Stage

(01:08:11):
16. It's.
Not neat to know that. I love it.
I even like went and looked at pictures of it and I was like,
that's so cool. That's it is, that's really
cool. I love like how if you go to
like a studio, sometimes it'll say like what has been filmed
inside them. And then like inside the
studios, it's just a big open room.
Yeah, it's like a warehouse stuff in there.
Exactly. So it's, there's no like usually

(01:08:32):
no remnants of things that have been filmed there.
It's neat. That 1995 Batman, they have a
YouTube and it had there was onevideo that I really liked but
unfortunately I was hoping for like weird little random onset
drew footage. Didn't have any but right they
have this whole video of like B roll from the movie behind the
scenes and there was one of thembuilding like the Riddler's

(01:08:53):
layer that's like a Dome shape. So it's neat to like see that
and then see the stage and like put it all together.
It's really cool that's. Really cool the sets are so.
Elaborate. Like the actual bat cave was so
big they couldn't do it on a stage.
They had to use the Howard Hughes Spruce Goose.
That's like in Is it Long beached?

(01:09:16):
I think it was in Long Beach. I think it's now in like
Portland OR or something. OK, why do I?
Yeah, that's where they put the bat cave.
Like they had to build it insidesomething like that.
My God. It's crazy.
That makes sense. Yeah.
Because for something like that to be practical, I like, don't
even think about that when something's like, actually
large. I know.
And it's. Yeah, it the movie is like, it

(01:09:37):
really like you're dropped rightinto these, like fully realized
spaces. It's really cool.
All right, so let's talk about Drew.
OK, so this is her final scene. So I saw something somewhere
that described this as like, game show assistant, which I
think is fun because Riddler's got chase and Robin, like locked
up, and Batman has to decide whoto save.

(01:10:00):
And both Sugar and Spice are like, ta da like kind of Vanna
Whiting. Yeah.
And she doesn't even get to talk, but she makes some cute
little faces, like a little ta ta ta no face.
And like, she's like shimmying and enjoying all this chaos
that's going on. Yeah, the little like tisk tisk

(01:10:23):
finger wave is really cute. Yeah.
And then she quickly is gone. Like yeah, freaking.
Batman, he explodes the boxes like Epicenter, I think, and so
everything's like going crazy and blowing up and sugar and
spice are like run off, and that's all we see.

(01:10:44):
But I do love the, like, screams, like, that's really fun
too. But yeah, let's talk about like
some deleted stuff. Yes, so there was a little scene
here of sugar and spice escapingand I think it was definitely
filmed. It's even like on the shooting
schedule that I was able to see and it was so cool.
I think it's probably cut because it is very much calling

(01:11:05):
back the other scene that was cut.
So sugar and spice stand together backed by a smoke
filled world of sparks and flames and sugar says, which I
can't see this working in this dialogue.
Girl, can you swim? She probably wouldn't have said
it like that girl. What?
Yeah, and spices and ruin this hair?

(01:11:26):
Hell no. Back on her cell phone.
I know a guy with a yacht. And then they make for the
access stairs. And I also read that the
novelization includes this, likeso that they get out, they get
out of Gotham forever. It's like sort of what it says.
So cute. I know, that's cute.
Is the novelization basically like the comic novelization?

(01:11:46):
Is that what you're referring to?
Or like a? No, like an actual yeah, written
one. Yeah, exactly.
Which we love. We've talked about this before.
You can get a lot of informationabout what's cut out of movies
if you read the novelization because they like, worked off
the script. Like Never Been Kissed.
We pulled some stuff before. I remember like quite a bit.
I didn't even, like, think aboutthat.
You had done that. Yeah, like I forgot.

(01:12:08):
And that. That's so.
And Charlie's Angels has some, too.
Whenever we get up the nerve to do that movie, I'll be pulling
out the novelization. That is so funny and weird, like
to think of like, at what point those things are written and
they're based on some early version of the script.
Like weird. All right, so let's get into the
release and the legacy that continues for this film.

(01:12:31):
Yes. OK, so the promo shoot for like,
posters and other publicity was done by the famous photographer
or Ritz. So cool this photographer, or
Brits if you don't know, took Drews famous profile photo.
Yeah, the profile picture calling back to her famous

(01:12:53):
family profile. Profile.
Profile here goes. Erbritz also did a photo shoot
with Drew and the Angels for Vogue in 2000, so it's neat.
Like this is such a weird thing for Erbritz to have done.
I. Was reading he actually did at
least some of the images for thefirst film, maybe the second

(01:13:15):
one. And he did all the Batman and
Robbins too. So I guess he was just.
Like continuation. OK, that's cool.
It's neat. So one of the photos of Sugar
was used for the cover of Interview magazine that was
released in May of 1995. So cute and so random.
So. Random.
It doesn't fit with the feature inside at all because the

(01:13:35):
feature is all Drews personal photos.
But I guess they're like, this is what she's promoting at the
time. Let's throw her on the cover in
one of these. It's beautiful.
Pretty. Yeah.
Like that purple backdrop is so fun with her like light.
I don't know it's it's gorgeous.If you haven't seen it again
episode page, check out the drusium.
You got it. You got to see it and the
pictures inside are amazing. And we've done an episode on

(01:13:58):
this. Have we not have an?
Episode on it yeah so much we could say but I do want to point
out so I went to I was like I just want to check the credits
inside for this cover image. So the hair is credited to Kim
Santa Antonio and weirdly enough, she was the key hair
stylist on blended for the Georgia filmed scenes, like not

(01:14:20):
in Africa, but for the Georgia 1.
So it's like that's weird. But she does like in more recent
years has done a lot of Nicole Kidman's wigs.
So I thought that was fun. And then makeup is credited to
Cheryl and she was Jim Carrey's makeup artist on like tons of
movies like before and after this.
So I'm like, I wonder if they did Drew like Sugar specifically

(01:14:44):
in for the movie, like if they were the people assigned to her
or if they just did it for the promo shoot.
Hard to say but I feel like we should have put their names in
there because they definitely did something with Sugar.
Yeah, All right. Should we jump into the world
premiere? Dude we could probably do an
entire episode on this premiere.This has got to be one of the
most like star-studded red carpet events for like not an

(01:15:07):
award show for like a movie premiere ever.
It's bananas how many we can't get into it.
Like there's so many people thatwent.
That's funny because I only think of Drew because her luck
is so iconic at this. So though it took place in
Westwood, where my school, UCLA is on June 9th of 1995.
So we're, you know, already in that 30 years ago realm.

(01:15:33):
Drew attended the premiere with her boyfriend the time Eric
Erlinson, and then both of her Flower Films partners, Nancy
Davonne and Kim Greitzer and Jane Pratt.
Because I think it must have been because she was filming
that segment for Extra, which isso.
Cool. So cool.
It's so neat. There is some really cool

(01:15:53):
footage of Drew from that day getting ready at her house,
which I think it's her house on Martel, right?
Driving through the McDonald's drive through and getting like
Batman collectible glasses that they had at the time, like
ordering a. Happy Meal without.
Me, yeah. And then and then they go to

(01:16:14):
film Tom Snyder, like all beforeheading to the premiere.
So there's like, you know, all this stuff in that in that
one-on-one. That's so cool.
And I love that she's just like doing her own makeup in her
bathroom. Like, even though this was a
huge event, like, you know, she's not like being styled by
anyone. In fact, we have words for Drew
her talking about a second. Yes, we do.

(01:16:36):
So there was a red carpet special for this.
This is how big this was that aired on East and one of my
friends from San Diego was visiting me at the time and she
was really into Batman, specifically the animated
series. But she was like following this
all really closely. So she wanted to watch the red
carpet show. So I remember watching it like I
don't remember noticing Drew. Sadly, at this time, I wasn't

(01:16:58):
quite there yet, but I was very aware of this happening and I
like tried to find more footage of it while I was doing the
research. And I was just seeing like so
many people like Cameron Diaz isthere like, how cool do her and
Drew ever cross paths? Who knows?
Like, right, Adam Sandler's at the after party.
And so Sara Gilbert, like peoplethat Drew really knew and like,

(01:17:21):
well, she didn't know Adam yet, but like or would know.
And there's like so many pictures like Chris O'Donnell
just posted a cool one of a bunch of them at the premiere
without Drew. Like, there's no pictures of
Drew with anybody except the photographer Matthew Ralston,
like, inside the party. But yeah, there's so many.
I mean, Tom Cruise is married toNicole Kidman at the time.

(01:17:43):
He's there. Like George Clooney is there,
like, so huge, Huge. Like if you guys are interested.
Like every big star at the time.Go to Getty Images and like,
look at who was there. It's beyond belief.
But let's just like, I mean, we can just have Drew tell us about
her outfit, but we both absolutely love her.
Just super simple. Like you said, she did her own

(01:18:05):
makeup and she admittedly dressed herself.
Yeah, I mean real quick, if you,if you're not familiar, just
imagine this for a second because you'll probably remember
it. She's wearing 2 slips, 1's pink
and one's blue and she's wearingthem on top of each other and
she's got a little Daisy in her Pixie roots growing out hair and
a little like a heart on a string on her neck and big cork

(01:18:30):
peeled sandals and she's flashing her tattoos for sure at
this as well. Yes, yes she is.
And it's it's. Just perfect.
I know. It's so 95, Drew.
It's so cool. So can you like, lead us into
like why we got this reply from Drew herself?

(01:18:51):
Yeah, I I mean who knows why? We must have just caught her on
a day she doesn't really seem tobe using Instagram at all
anymore, like personally using it.
But this was at a moment where she was and I posted like a
selection of like 4 photos from this just like, oh we love this
look, something like that. And she responded and yeah, why
don't you read it? OK, so.

(01:19:13):
So Drew at Drewzium, that's us, she said.
I bought those slips at Frederick's of Hollywood and put
one on top of the other and threw on a pair of platforms
from my closet and went to the premiere.
I wasn't at the place where anyone dressed me, so I dressed
myself for about $50. And I love the carefree style to
this day. So cool.

(01:19:33):
So cool at the time in 95, there's video of her telling
Courtney Love that she got theseslips from Playmates, which is
like, for lack of a better word,like a strippers store in
Hollywood. So I could definitely see her
making the, you know, mistake ofone or the other.
It doesn't really matter which one she got them from, but.
Same type of store, like they both sell like probably mostly

(01:19:55):
lingerie exactly, but adorable. Like it's so it's so good.
And I love that she calls it carefree.
That's exactly what it is. Like it's exactly 1995.
So good. We will definitely have a few
pictures from this in our gallery.
My before I forget, my inspiration for my lower back

(01:20:16):
tattoo came specifically from a magazine clipping from Spin
magazine that showed her pullingdown the back of her slip to
show her back tattoo. And it was like, I have it here
and we go. It's called the Drew Tattoo and
that I was obsessed with it fromthat moment on.
That's so cool because yeah, theplacing is exact.

(01:20:38):
I was also kind of thinking likethe shape of your butterfly.
I didn't think. About that like intentionally at
the time or anything but it is fun to like the wings kind of go
the same way they. Do it's so I was like looking at
it. I'm like at first, like I saw
like your little no inspo for mytat and I was like, I know she
means the placement, but I'm like really see almost seeing

(01:20:58):
your butterfly on Drew's back here.
It's so fun. OK, so let's just like touch a
little bit on how much marketingthere is there was for this now,
I mean things are marketed still, but like in a different
way. So at the time there was like
tons of merch released for the movie like action figures,
trading cards, Pogs, which if you don't know who that what
those are like, you got to look it up.
Hopefully you listeners like a lot of you listeners know, but

(01:21:20):
1990s? OGS.
Very specific books and all kinds of stuff.
I mean, like we said, McDonald'swas doing tie insurance.
I think I saw like Six Flags hada whole thing going on like this
was everywhere. Which is interesting because I
read a lot of things that said like they didn't expect it to be
that big of a hit, OK, they really like tried to make it 1

(01:21:43):
and they were successful. Marketing it that way.
Oh my God, everywhere. And for some reason, when I
first became a druby, I just hadit in my head that there must be
a sugar like a sugar and spice action figures.
Like I just decided that for no reason.
And I remember like searching a lot on eBay for one, like
expecting one would show up. I don't know where I got that

(01:22:06):
idea. So cool.
I know. I wish there was.
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they're aware
of like all the all the costars without the Coco videos.
Yeah. Co stars you get up.
The people whose names flash around in the front of the
screen very, very dramatically at the beginning of the credits.
Yep, they got action figures. Yes, they got that.

(01:22:26):
That was part of the like contract.
Yeah, there you go. Flashy name and action figure.
OK, so then the soundtrack you mentioned at the top of the
episode was like hugely popular.So on this we have Kiss from a
Rose by Seal, which is like still I think really widely
known. And love.
Yeah, and loved, Yes, a Billboard.

(01:22:48):
It was billboard #4 single of the year and one Grammys the
following year. And then we also have U2 song
Hold Me, Kiss Me, Sorry, Too Many Words, Hold Me, Thrill Me,
Kiss Me, Kill Me and which was ahuge hit too.
So like I said, I was watching MTV non-stop at this time.
These videos were on MTV and VH1all the time.

(01:23:12):
All the time. So, so much so that kiss from a
rose, My friend Clarice and I had like parts of the the video
that Seal would do, like with his hands that we would do it.
Like we memorized it. I'm doing it right now.
I still remember it and the U21,my sisters and I had like jokes
about some of the clips from that video.

(01:23:33):
Like they were inundated. I even remember like being on a
little trip with my friends frommiddle school also back down in
San Diego and somebody having the soundtrack and like playing
it like this was soundtracks just were a big deal back then.
Yep. If you don't know, like if you
didn't come around in this time,they were like a thing.

(01:23:56):
And this one was a big thing. Yeah, soundtracks.
I feel like we're still kind of a big thing, like maybe through
like the late 90s at least. Like I feel like I was.
I was like I had so many soundtracks.
Totally like and I left them. Me too, me too.
I feel like I can't even think of like what any of my favorites
are. Maybe that's another episode
where we don't talk about DRUCEFand we just talk about

(01:24:16):
soundtracks we like just because.
Mad love, that's a good one. It is a good one.
All right, so the movie was released in the US on June 16th
of 1995 S Happy 30 year anniversary to Batman Forever.
Anniversary. I love that we timed this so
well. This is coming out on the 17th,
but still close enough. This movie was a huge box office

(01:24:41):
hit. It's interesting that it was
unexpected, I know. So at the time, it held the
record for having the highest opening weekend gross of all
time. Wild.
So it was the top grossing of movie of 1995 domestically.
And it made so more than $184,000,000 domestically and

(01:25:01):
$336 million worldwide, which those numbers like almost don't
mean anything to me. But that's still like, I know
it's a lot, a lot of money, yeah, especially when you like.
Look at the other movies from that year.
It's just bananas and how cool for Drew to be in a number one
movie of the year. Like you guys don't understand
where her career was at this point.
This was huge. Yep, Yep, it was big.

(01:25:24):
Really. Gave her some like cred, you
know? Yeah, I mean, it had to like it.
Like, if nothing else, it was like, you know, boosting her
already. Like, I don't know exactly.
Yeah, Rising Star. Exactly.
So I think you mentioned earlierabout the nomination.
So go. Ahead So it did get some Academy
Award nominations, which is funny when you think of it as

(01:25:45):
like Such a Goofy Movie. But like, these are technical
awards. And I'm pretty sure because I I
know I'd look this up at one point, I think it's the only
Drew movie to have any Oscar nominations besides ET.
Oh wow, kind of wild. So it was nominated for
cinematography, sound and sound editing, which all makes sense,

(01:26:07):
but it did not win any of them. But still cool.
It's cool. I mean, things being nominated,
it's alone, like a recognition. Yeah.
OK, so let's get into, like, recent years.
There's a couple little, like, updates about the film.
Despite it being 30 years old, there's still like fans out
there who love it. Love it.
Do you want me to talk about this?
Yeah, let's talk about the Schumacher cut sort of movement.

(01:26:29):
So go for it. OK, so we're not going to go too
deep into it, but there is this huge online movement of fans who
are trying to basically pressureWarner Brothers into putting out
an official release of this, youknow, director's cut.
So it's what was edited out of the final version.
And it was originally a lot darker than what we ended up
getting. And the original length was

(01:26:50):
closer to two hours and 40 minutes, which is crazy.
You guys can go deep on this if you're interested.
Like I said, check out Cut Schumacher on Instagram.
They're kind of the ringleaders.They're also on Twitter.
That's where they're always trying to, like, gain traction
and get Warner Brothers to listen.
Supposedly, Kevin Smith has a copy of it.
OK, I don't know, but he's a huge.

(01:27:11):
He's like one of the biggest Batman fans.
That's true. He's really into superheroes.
Yeah. And he hosted a screening of it
a few years ago. I'd listened to a podcast of
somebody who got to watch it, and I did not gather that there
was any extra Drew footage. But knowing that there were two
scenes that were filmed with her, I'm like, maybe they are in

(01:27:33):
there. I would love to know one day.
And maybe. Yeah, one day we'll get access
to the stuff that was on the cutting room floor.
Maybe in 2023, on the 4th seasonof the animated show, Harley
Quinn, Sugar and Spice appeared as a background like cameo.
No lines, right? I don't think so.

(01:27:53):
It's so cute. Like it's so cute to see like
the Drew and Debbie inspired animations.
Really cute episode page. I'm sure we'll have a image of
that. Definitely.
And then that same year for Halloween, the Jenner sisters,
Kylie and Kendall, they dressed as Sugar and Spice and drew on

(01:28:16):
her show. So she didn't even think it was
real when she first saw it. And then she realized, no, that
really is them dressed up as us.How cool.
You know, it's just fun that it's still recognizable because
it it is small. Like a lot of people are like
she's in that movie. And then.
But I think the imagery is almost more memorable than than
it being true, which is funny. Right, right.
And it was really fun to see an homage to something, you know,

(01:28:39):
like, yeah, I'm sure it made Drew feel good.
You know, like, I like how she thought it wasn't real.
Like what? Because Drew doesn't realize how
like famous she is. She really doesn't.
We've been told this by people who know her personally.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
So that wraps up our coverage ofthis really fun, campy film that

(01:29:01):
I'm glad you revisited it. Unfortunately, people passing or
one of the reasons that we are covering it.
But yeah, celebrating 30 years, that's really fun.
So cool. And it's like really neat that
Drew is part of the Batman films.
Like it's such a unique thing inher filmography.
It's her only foray into superhero movies, which, you

(01:29:24):
know, it's just like a neat little thing that she's done
once, and I love that she did it.
Me too. And it is kind of interesting to
think like since then or like how many superhero movies that
there have been and like that she hasn't appeared.
It's not her vibe, you know. But yeah, we got.
But we got a taste of it it withthis and the surrealism.

(01:29:45):
It's delicious. The deliciousness, the like
playfulness. So much fun.
So love it. Yeah.
Thanks. You guys for coming around and
listening if you only found us because you are one of those
Batman Forever fans and you enjoyed what we did.
You can write and review and subscribe of course, and you can
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It's like, yeah, that's the only.
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(01:30:50):
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(01:31:10):
somebody's hearing all this excitement and dorkiness over
here. All right, you guys, thank you
for listening. And we'll see you all next
Tuesday. Sounds good.
Thanks, guys. Bye, bye.
Bye. Bye.

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This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and
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our sponsor, Positive Medium. Special thanks to Matt Costa for
our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima for our adorable logo, and
last but not least, Drew Barrymore and all the Drewbies
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