108 – Interview, July 1992

In this episode, we dig into the iconic-yet-controversial July 1992 issue of Interview magazine featuring a 17-year-old Drew Barrymore on the cover in the buff along with other pictures of poolside playfulness captured by photographer Bruce Weber. The images are accompanied by an insightful Q&A that gets into her career path post-Poison Ivy and the brief-but-impactful relationship between Drew and then-boyfriend Jamie Walters.

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Drew? This is a Drew Barrymore podcast
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I'm Anne and I'm Ashley. Hello, hello, hello.
Happy July. Happy July.
What? What happened to the year?
I think, I think I say that every time.

(01:33):
I know like I had to. I was doing our notes and I was
like Q3 what we have to start like a brand new sheet cuz we
our notes got so big and what was it 2023 that we were like
never again. We need to separate this out
quarterly, yeah. Cuz it was just yeah, on Google
Docs, yeah. It just gets real bogged down.
Little behind the scenes info for you guys.

(01:55):
Yes, we like talking about our tech.
Talk tech tech talk with this. Is tech talk with with Anna and
Ashley? All right, we don't have a lot
to talk about besides our episode topic because we're
summer. That means Drew's in
hibernation. But that little Barrymore, she

(02:17):
came out of her hibernating cavejust last night, as of
recording. So we have one little thing to
share. Yeah.
All right. So yeah, let's talk about what's
new with Drew. The very little thing that is.
Here we go with the news, everybody.
All right. So Drew attended a screening of
Mariska Haggarty's documentary My Mom Jane, that's about her

(02:42):
mother, Jane Mansfield. And I'm definitely very
interested to see this. It's going to be on HBO.
And they had a little screening at the Warner Brothers studio in
Burbank. So our girl is on the West
Coast. Or at least was.
No, I think she's going to be because, well, we'll follow up
with that in a second, but. I was just going to say my first
reaction to the outfit that she has on that, I didn't like it,

(03:05):
but it's kind of growing on me. I don't know.
So she's got like the dress partof it.
Maybe it's a long skirt is like Plaid like, but it's like Gray
and white. So right away that's like a lot
of pattern. And then she's got a polka dot.
I can't tell if it's a shirt or like a scarf thing.
Yeah. It's hard to tell.
I think it's a shirt. And then white shoes, which also

(03:27):
just feels like a strange. Yeah, they're definitely.
Even the style of the shoes is not normal for her.
Yeah. And then this, like the jacket's
pretty cool. I can't, I can't.
It's just like a Gray, like nicely cut jacket.
But my initial reaction was like, hmm, like it's a little,
it's a little like drab maybe for her even with the patterns,
Like it feels drab somehow. Interesting.

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I don't know if I go drab. I feel like the way you're
describing it, I'm like, oh, that sounds cute.
But like I just don't feel like it's fitting her correctly in
like a flattering way. So I'm a little bummed about
that. But it is like, OK, it's not a
suit. I'm excited and she's out in
public. I'm excited, so I'll take it.
That's that's a good point. Those are all good points and it

(04:10):
is fun to it is kind of interesting, like seeing like
pictures of her at events because we see so many of her on
the show. Like it is kind of like weird.
It's become. Novel.
That's so weird. And we talked so much about like
previous events, like how much we talked about like big events
like the Batman Forever premiere.

(04:31):
Oh my gosh. But yeah, there are some really
sweet. She looks happy.
She looks looks beautiful. It is nice to see her just
getting out there. It is.
And so as I kind of alluded to, I think she's in LA and will be
in LA because there's good reason to believe that Hollywood
Squares is about to start filming their Season 2.

(04:54):
We reported a couple episodes ago that they were aiming for
end of June, early July to film.So it tracks.
And then I happened to see something on Instagram that a
lighting designer posted and it said when the boss hands you
this note during taping. And it was a note from Drew that
said, Dave, you saved the day. Thank you.

(05:15):
It's really cute. And this lighting designer is
followed by the production company Jesse Collins
Entertainment, who do Hollywood Squares.
So I'm thinking they're in like pre show stuff right now.
Did he tag Drew as how you saw it?
OK, that was like the because the handwriting is like so
clearly her. So I was almost wondering if

(05:37):
like you saw it somehow. In the wild.
Yeah. And you're like, that's true.
Yeah, so fun. I hope maybe next week they'll
start like we'll start seeing maybe like pictures or videos
from the people who are guesting.
I don't know. We'll see.
Oh yeah, maybe because we knew, like, why did we know so many,
like so far ahead? What?

(05:58):
Did they promote it? Or was it like pictures of them
at the studio? No, it was like people who were
on the show, Sharon posting. Yeah.
So we'll be watching. We'll keep you guys up to date
with who's coming out for the Season 2.
I'm excited. OK.
We're like, we've been looking forward to more Hollywood
Square. So it's exciting, but it's like
rolling. That's really fun.

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OK, So we didn't have a lot at the top guys.
We're going to, like, jump rightinto something that we love to
do, which is to go over a magazine.
A biggie. Because, you know, we love our
physical media. I love paper.
Yeah, yes. And this magazine, The Interview
Magazine from July of 1982. Is a biggie.

(06:42):
Literally, literally a biggie? What's the size on this
archivist? What size?
I mean, I guess it's like 11 by 14.
That's probably right. It's something about there.
I know it was bigger, like Interview magazine was like 11
by 17 or something before that anyway.
So we love, we love big media. It's hard to store.

(07:04):
That's one bummer. Thing that is true.
But this one is a big deal for other reasons too.
So not just big in size. Big in size, big in controversy,
big in search results on our website.
We'll get to that. So let's just kind of set the
scene so this magazine comes outexactly.
Do the math, Ann. How many years ago?

(07:28):
I hate, I hate doing quick math 20. 23 Is it?
No 33, 33 years ago, right? Yes, 33 years ago.
OK, so Drew was 17 years old, which is part of the controversy
here. Poison Ivy had just come out.

(07:50):
She was getting a ton of media attention and she is very in
love with her new boyfriend, Jamie Walters, and he appears
with her in some of the photos and he's there for the
interview. And soon after this magazine was
done, they got engaged. So that's where we're at.
That's what's going on with our girl.

(08:10):
And she's kind of having one of her many career resurgences at
this time. Yeah.
So it's she's like in the publiceye.
And this is like, you know, no departure from that, that's for
sure. Yeah.
OK. So we have a clip here from
Arsenio Hall when this magazine like basically was on the

(08:31):
stands, I'm guessing because they're like talking about it
like it's fresh. News.
This appearance is about pretty much like I think technically
she was talking about 2000 Malibu Rd. but this whole thing,
this is all they talk about. Actually, when I was approached
to do the cover, Bruce Weber wanted to shoot me for the cover
of Interview magazine. And I spoke to the editor whose

(08:54):
name's Ingrid, who's a wonderfullady, who said we want to do a
very free, loving piece about friendship, love, you know, the
environment and so on and so forth.
And I was kind of questioning how it would turn out, if it
would really turn out as free and beautiful as she had
described it to me. OK, so I love that sort of like
immediate, you know, descriptionof like what they were going

(09:17):
for. Yeah, I will say like, yeah, the
friend element. I think when I first saw this, I
thought they must have been likereally friends.
I know you mentioned it later, but I think for a long time,
maybe because I like, maybe I don't know if I had already seen
the like Sky magazine pictures that I was.
Like thinking. I think I conflated those two,
yes. Yes.

(09:37):
So anyway, that's why we did thesame thing, because they're so
comfortable together that like, it really comes through as like
friends. Yeah, it's really sweet.
I agree it's got less like free fun, friendship feeling like
that's definitely what's going on.
I just want to say my personal story about getting this
magazine because I think I just didn't want to shell out the

(09:57):
money for a long time. I don't know.
But back in like 2002, I worked at Barnes and Noble and I met
this guy and he asked me on a date.
And I'm obviously must have justtalked about Drew because that's
what I did, actually. Whoa.
I just had like a secondary memory.
I'm pretty sure I watched her onDavid Letterman when she was

(10:20):
promoting Confessions of a Dangerous Mind at this guy's
house. Like on our one.
Oh. That's funny.
But anyway, he gave, he had thismagazine because he just thought
it was cool. For whatever reason, he'd saved
it and he gave it to me. So that's how I got my copy.
Kind of a little different. That is so funny.
I don't remember where I got mine.
I know it was something I like, sought after for so long.

(10:40):
Yeah, I feel like it. I don't think it could have been
like when we got our collectionsfrom Rob.
I feel like it wouldn't have been that late.
Probably, probably not, but I don't remember, like unwrapping
it from a magazine package, you know, like, I don't know.
I feel like, I feel like it should be like memorable.
I don't remember. Yeah.
But I know it's like, it was like one of those like really

(11:01):
cool items because of it's like the controversy that we'll get
into, but also it's like beautiful and.
Yeah. There's still there are copies
up on eBay right now if anyone wants them.
I didn't really notice the pricebut I don't think they're that
bad. I would guess that they're like
probably 20 or so bucks. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like
that's what magazines like. That's like the price that most

(11:24):
old magazines like, start at newones.
People try to sell them for like$20.
Get out of here. Come on.
So this is a great place to stay.
So I just did today fresh new scans of this because the ones
we had on our website, we're kind of cropped because it's
very difficult to scan somethingthis large.
But I do have access to a large format printer at my office.

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So I brought this in this morning and I was like, I'm just
going to get this done. So we have beautiful new scans
of these on the Drew sam.com on our 1992 magazines page.
But if you really want to go through this entire feature page
by page and see the entire article, you got to go join our
patreonpatreon.com slash yes. So for the last like 6 or maybe

(12:15):
even more 7 magazine episodes that we've done of the podcast,
we've been scanning the entire full feature from the magazine
for our Patreon members to peruse.
And so go check that out. It's a pretty fun thing to get
to do it. I'm like, these scans came out
really nice. I'm really excited about you
guys checking them out. Yeah.
And also it's like what this magazine's big.

(12:36):
So like when we scanned it in the past, we had smaller
scanners. And that was totally cropped off
and now it's the full thing and all its glory.
Love it. Yeah.
And that, you know, like we're always kind of talking about how
like we did our photos from our website like once and then like
kind of never went back and we're like, yeah, shit.
Well, now we're. So it gives us the chance to

(12:57):
like rescan, but what are we going to say?
Very similarly to Playboy. When we decided to cover that on
the podcast, I was like, we've got to improve these scans
because like Playboy and Interview, this happens to be
the thing that brings a lot of people to our website, what
they're searching for. What do these?

(13:17):
Magazines have in common. Why would people be searching
for that? Every search term is like Drew
Barrymore nudity, Drew Barrymoreboobs, Drew Barrymore 1992
boobs. I was just like, Oh my God.
But it's also like funny that like boobs bring some to us.
Yeah, we bring the boobs. You know what, we've got a lot
of that Drew, you know, had that, that era that.

(13:40):
She that's right. And it kind of was starting
right here actually. That's true, and like, it is
wild. She's very young, but it's Drew
always feels older than she actually is.
So, like, when do we want to getinto that?
Do we want to talk about that now?
Her age? Yeah.
What are your feelings about that these days?
Like just looking back, like thinking about Drew kind of

(14:03):
being. Being 17 and a little bit, I
mean, I think this was very muchher choice.
She very much took ownership of doing this.
But she is 17. Like I don't know if she loves
it now. Well, it'd be interesting to ask
her. I feel like I I feel like I

(14:23):
almost. It almost doesn't faze me
because it's her. Yeah, I know.
Which is weird. And I mean, it's like, it's,
it's her history. It's her growing up too fast.
It's everything like part of me is like, oh, she's like in her
20s here. Like it's like she almost feels
like she is. I know.
And it's hard for me to like take myself out of that.
So it's I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't, I don't, I feel like bythe facts, like a 17 year old
girl, you know, nude on the cover of like a pub, like a
magazine that would have been onstands.
Although did we talk about the fact that?
It Yeah, we'll get there. Over it.
Yeah. Anyway, so like that, like the
facts. It does.
But then it's like, it's Drew Barrymore.
She just done Poison Ivy, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah.

(15:06):
I don't know. There's just so much that feels
like. Not surprising.
No definitely not surprising like controversy was following
her always no matter what I and we do have this weird exception
this like past that we give it because it's her it's like well
17 in Drew Barrymore years is like 30 for a normal person you.

(15:26):
Know right, but I do that a lot.It's weird and it's like, I
mean, in this Arsenio Hall appearance, which we will link
to and you guys can check it out.
I don't feel like he's being quote UN quote creepy, but he's
like talking to a 17 year old girl about her cute little butt
and stuff. And that is weird.
I don't know, it's very I have alot of conflicting feelings

(15:49):
about a lot of things that happened in Drews teen years.
Right. And at the end of the day, it's
up for her to say. I don't think she would say she
felt exploited in any way. I think she's more just like, I
didn't know my daughters would be able to go onto the
drewsname.com and look at these.But.
That their daughters would search through wearing their
boobs and get to get to the drewsiem dot.

(16:10):
Com yeah, exactly. So it's a complicated thing.
You know, I'd love for you guys to reach out to us.
You guys can leave comments on Spotify.
Now that's a cool new feature onthe episode.
So or, you know, on our Instagram.
Tell us what you think about this.
Like how does it land for you these days that she did this at
such a young age? You have to hear it.
I'd be curious too, like even both people who are like new to

(16:33):
the news of it and then also people.
Who were there? Yeah, If there is there anybody
who like I don't know would let us know like their reaction to
it may be closer to the time, I don't know.
Well, the 90s were very different time.
Absolutely, Absolutely. They were all right.
So the article was written by Graham Fuller and Ingrid Sushi

(16:54):
Sushi. I don't know how to pronounce
that. And she was the one that I think
she is, that she was the editor,right?
Yeah, cuz I think they said in that.
Clip that she was called. By Ingrid.
So I didn't. That's cool.
And randomly, I don't know what the heck I was searching or
doing, but remember that 2003 very sexy Victoria's Secret book
launch thing that Drew went to with Fab, where she's wearing

(17:16):
the belt that I have? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's pictures of her posing with Ingrid, which is kind of
cool, so I'll throw one of thoseinto the episode page because
it's so random. Yeah, that's.
Really cool. Okay, so we already mentioned, I
think Drew mentioned that the photographs were done by Bruce
Weber. Drew was already a big fan of
his work before this moment, shesaid.

(17:38):
He creates this absolutely incredible environment that is
just so warm and loving and relaxed, which I love to hear
because yeah, that's that's the only way you could get what they
got, I guess, right? For sure.
And it does give you a little more like, OK, like, you know,
she's there doing this on her own terms and sounds like she
had a great time. Like she talks about it like it
was the blast so. That's and it was comfortable.

(17:58):
Yeah, I did find a cute little story that Bruce Weber wrote
about this shoot, and it's called Sweet Memories of Drew
Barrymore. And I just pulled a couple
quotes. The first one is Drew was a real
wild child in those days, but socharming and loving.
I had that wonderful feeling like I couldn't take enough
pictures of her. What a great compliment.

(18:20):
Yeah, I love that. But then I'm like, but then
there's an entire full page that's just his dog without
Drew. And there's like pictures where
she's not in them. I'm like.
He feels the same way about everything else.
He just he can't take enough pictures in general, but also of
her. OK, there we go.
And he also said, I have an enduring fondness for Drew.

(18:42):
I catch her TV show sometimes inthe morning and have a laugh
thinking, Oh my God, she's stillat it.
Drew has the spirit of a kid, even after a lifetime in the
public eye. I admire her for that.
I can't imagine anyone young at heart in Hollywood not wanting
to be like. Her really sweet.
It is really sweet, and that's true.
I love that. Oh my God, she's still at it.

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It just be like a picture of herlike as a kid and now and just
put that quote over it. Oh my God, she's still at it.
Bruce Weber. OK, so the styling for this
shoot was done by Joe McKenna and he has worked with her
another time or two. So he did the styling in 1995
both for ID magazine and both Mew Mew campaigns.

(19:27):
So I guess he's cool being like an Ellen Van Unworth guy.
Yeah. So fun that they like work
together at this time and then three years later, very
different looks. You know those those yeah, ID
and Mew Mew kind of go together,but they're very different from
this one. But from this yeah, wait,
styling naked? I know, I thought that too.
She's wearing like a robe at onepoint.

(19:48):
That's true. She does have, she does have
some clothes on in part of it, but it's like, wait a minute,
wait a minute, I guess. OK, well anyway, so she's not
completely naked because she hadher hair done and her makeup
done. There you go.
So her hair was done by Eric Gabriel and makeup was by Denise
Markey. And now let's just talk a little

(20:08):
bit about the photos because they are beautiful.
You guys need to see them for yourselves if you haven't.
If you have, refresh ourselves. Like Ashley said, we have new
scans that you can love on our website.
Yep. So these photos were taken at
Bruce Weber's house in Bellport,Long Island.
That's kind of fun. I feel like we don't always know
the location of a shoot like this, so love knowing that.

(20:29):
I think he shot at his house a lot.
I get that feeling. That's cool.
Yeah. And so, I mean, the cover is
like the big source of the controversy, right?
She is quote UN quote naked. It's not a revealing image
though. Would you agree?
Not I completely agree. It's like, I think that's why
the shockingness of like, yes, she's young and basically her

(20:52):
whole body is exposed, except it's not.
Great. It's like it's like she's
covering her like breasts that would be like a nipple that
would show her like hips are toward Jamie.
So you can't see like anything in the front.
You can see the side of her thigh, but like not her whole.
Like you can see her butt, but not really.
She could almost be wearing a bathing suit here and it

(21:14):
wouldn't make much of a difference.
Right. Yeah.
But it's so it's so like classy and beautiful and like, I mean,
is it reminding me? I feel like it's reminding me of
the other, like the photos that maybe Annie Leibowitz took of
her in the in the grass, almost like a nude.

(21:34):
Dress. Yeah, I see that.
It's kind of giving me that like, you know, a similar sort
of vibe. I'd never.
Thought about it. Instead of a monkey, this one
has a dog. And it has Jamie Walters.
Which is which? No, just kidding.
Yeah, it's interesting that he doesn't get a credit on the
cover. It just says Splendor in the

(21:54):
Grass starring Drew Barrymore inBruce Webber photos.
I guess he's also like, that's true.
He's in the interview, though, which is kind of like a
interesting thing. But it's about her.
Yeah. I was going to say like, we
can't, we can't not mention the tattoos.
Of course we love a tattoo peek.Right.
So at this point, I mean, she has the ankle one, and then on

(22:17):
her back she has one that's likefreshly tattooed with James
Jamie's name says James. And then she had the one with
her mom's name, right? So like, that was it.
And well, she had her moon, which you can't see, and she had
her flowers in the front, which you can't see.
But yeah, you can see the mom cherubs, the jade cherubs and
the cross. Very lovely on this photo and

(22:39):
the cover it's really nice. It's really nice.
So we have a little clip of Drewtalking about first seeing the
cover. So let's jump into this really
quick. No, when I first saw it, I, I, I
jumped back and. Oh my God.
I'm Naked on the cover of Interview magazine.
Well, this should be interesting.

(23:00):
I like how she's like a little shy about it, but she's.
Not Yeah, she's all right with it, Drew said.
It was the first time in 23 years.
Is that like since the beginningof the magazine?
I don't know. Anyway, first time in 23 years
that interview had put somethingover the cover in stores.
So basically, like, to, like, censor it.

(23:26):
Yeah, to censor it. And so she's like, she didn't
like the censorship aspect of that.
And she knew it's controversial to pose nude on the cover of a
magazine, but, you know, so thatwas strange.
But also like, yeah, she kind ofhad this reaction.
Like, I guess it's for the kids.But like, yeah, but OK, I like
that you made a note of, like, really wishing we could see

(23:47):
examples. And I feel like I have a very
clear image in my head. So I don't know if I've seen it
like on eBay at some point, but I'm kind of picturing like a
plastic bag that has like yellowlike a bar going across like
those parts of her bar. I don't know if that's real or
if I made it up. If anyone knows, please shout us

(24:09):
out. I mean, yeah, I was just like
trying to visualize cuz yeah, usually it is some kind of bag
with like a censoring bar, but it'd be cool to have that.
It would. I would love that, yeah.
She said that her publicist was really upset when he found out
that she was naked on the cover.But then once he saw it, he said

(24:30):
that she was right and it was beautiful.
So that's that's a good sign, you know, like, I don't know.
Yeah, because it is, like I said, it sounds almost worse
than it is. Like when you see it, it's like,
oh, well, that's really pretty. Like it's OK.
Yeah. And is it because it's her?
Is it because, you know, like there's so many?
All the factors. It's just the tattoos.

(24:50):
No. Yeah.
So Jamie Walters, her boyfriend,said that he was jealous because
he didn't want other men to see her body, but he was.
So she's so beautiful that he was very proud.
And that made Drew feel comfortable with the cover.
I definitely like cringed a little at that part of the
artist. Like she's so beautiful that he.
Was well, yeah. And she's like, he gets very

(25:11):
jealous and I love it and I'm like, yeah, like I don't love
that. But you know, their relationship
lasted for what, like 6 months? Yeah, it was, it was like a
short but like condensed, like she was so into him, so into
him. And it's like this is like right
in the middle of that very. Short, right, Very short.
Bit. So inside the magazine we get

(25:34):
right off the bat, giant two page full color image of Drew
and Jamie on a picnic table. And I love that they have like
these weird words all over. Like it's like Jamie Drew, but
then it's fearlessness and trustand breakfast.
The other things like destiny, courage, I was like, wait, are

(25:54):
these those ever after postcards?
I feel like fearlessness, trust,destiny and courage, like one of
those has to be on those cards. If you know, you know I'm making
a real out of this with the images because that is so true
so. Funny, I can't wait to like
later. Like look at what I like.

(26:16):
I'm now visualizing them overlaid over.
This somehow even like the font looks correct.
OK, that's hilarious. That's so funny.
So in his little story, Bruce said she Drew fell in love with
one of our dogs. He names the dog Rain in this.
But the dog is destiny everywhere else.
So I think he just misremembered.

(26:38):
So he says, I took a crazy picture of her with Jamie
Walters, and the dog flopped outon the picnic table with all the
food and everything all around them.
And yeah, like I said, Bruce's dogs are in a lot of the photos.
There's one page that's just a giant full page of just a dog
like that. Like, can we have given this
space to more Drew photos? But.

(26:58):
There are a lot of. Them.
Yeah, they're a magazine. So I can't remember which ones
are full, like full page. So you're going to remind me?
They're all page. Yeah, the way I have them here
should be really accurate for you.
OK, so we've got 2 black and white full pages where she is
actually closed. And this is a very flattering
like black dress she's wearing, like the, the way that this like

(27:21):
tank top comes down and like, I don't know, there's something
really flattering about that. In these pictures are very
different from the rest of them,where they're like outside in
nature. Yeah, I love these.
Of course she's wearing those like cross necklaces that she
wore all the time in like 2 layered crosses.
Yeah. And she looks great.

(27:41):
She does look great. I don't know if we mentioned
yet, but she's got dark hair at this time.
Yeah, we did. So that's the that's the other
thing that's really unique aboutthese.
So she's got like her short, like really, really dark brown
hair. It basically looks black in
these black and white pictures. Yeah.
And that's always like dreamy for us to see like that other
side of Drew that we don't get to see that much.
Until she attached her a doppelganger headband and

(28:03):
extensions because that was at this time that's.
Right, that's right. But that's, I mean, the black
and white that outfit like thesepictures are, those two are
especially stunning. They're really magazine.
I mean, the other ones are too. So here's another quote from
Bruce's story. He said our Bellport house had

(28:26):
this really tiny hallway. We were all crammed in there
together with the equipment and cigarette smoke.
Not the easiest conditions to doa light meter reading, but I
like how it feels like we're at an entrance to a downtown
nightclub. Even though it's a little house
in the country town, it really does feel like I'm like, so.
Cool. I know I would never have known
like this, this, this hallway. And it's just like, yeah, I got

(28:47):
the smoke. And some people standing around,
and Jamie is hiding behind Drew,behind his arms, which I think I
only noticed like, a year ago because I think I saw, like, a
lightened copy of it. And I was like, oh, that's his
tattoo. And I couldn't believe I'd never
noticed before. How funny.
Yeah, I definitely never noticedhim there before.
Like, I don't even think I've noticed.
Like the people and there are clearly like, well on her side

(29:10):
and then somebody. Else on the other side, all eyes
on that beautiful girl in the middle.
Yeah, not surprising. All right, so now let's get into
like the outdoor pool nudes. Pool nudes.
Yeah. So we have this first, like full
page picture of Drew and one of the models.
Their names are on the scans. I didn't type them up.

(29:30):
I looked them all up. One of them actually had, like,
a horrible sexual assault story.So that's, like, upsetting.
I won't even get into that. But yeah.
So they were all models at the time.
I think there's three or four ofthem.
And so there's photos of Drew inthe pool kind of holding and
hugging this girl topless. And then a bunch of other

(29:51):
pictures on the next page of allthe girls just, like, splashing
in the pool, lots of smoking, lots of smoking.
And all of these pictures, Drew's like, wearing a white
tank top, and then she's not wearing anything.
So Drew said that she wasn't offended by people seeing these
and thinking that she was like, bye or lesbian.
She said that conversation was already going on because of the

(30:12):
Poison Ivy kiss. So silly.
And she said that the pictures are just trying to be, like,
friendship, light and free. No one's trying to be sexy in
any of these, which, like, is true.
Like there's no like, oh baby. They just like kind of are
naturally, but it's there's not like a like they come with.
Other Yeah, it's just for a bunch of girls in the pools

(30:34):
playing. Yeah.
And then, like we said, the models weren't actually her
friends. But Drew said that once they all
jumped in the pool, they had like a great time and it really
like broke the ice, so to speak.So sweet that I've always really
loved the picture of her on the like set of four on the upper
right that's like in color whereshe's like laughing and.

(30:56):
Smiling. Yeah, it's very true.
It's. Just such a, it's just like such
a like kind of perfect capture of like pure, like you can just
tell she's like really kind of cracking up.
Yeah, that's really sweet. Definitely.
Yeah, it's, it's a darling one. And then I forgot.
We have a another full page inside that's of the same kind
of setup as the cover. How could I forget?
This I know. Every time I see that one I go

(31:19):
Is that an outtake? It's not, I don't know, it looks
very special. Yeah, so like, how did I forget
it? Maybe we're like somehow so used
to the cover. Yeah, maybe.
Probably, you know, been in our face that we're like, wait,
what? Yeah.
But it's also, like, beautiful. And again, like the nudity is
like not it's in your face, but it's not.
So I don't I don't know how to explain it unless you.

(31:40):
See, it's like because she's like in profile, I think has a
lot to do with it. It's not like full frontal going
on here. Right, this is the Barrymore
profile magic happening right here.
Barrymore profile. The Barrymore protein.
We also get a really beautiful this is the only thing that

(32:00):
wasn't full page. It's like in the middle of the
article, but a really beautiful close up of her James tattoo
with the cherub holding it. This is the one that she claims
after they broke up the letters bled together and became
illegible. And they showed this tattoo on
the Drew Barrymore Show like a year or two ago, and it looked

(32:21):
like they had edited it the nameout.
I have to pull the screen crack cap that I took because I
remember being like, I don't know if that's what it really
looks like or if they like fudged it a little bit.
Like edited it out, like made itlike look like the bar is clear,
no? But like, I'll have to send it
to you. I showed it to you at the time

(32:42):
and now I can't remember of course, but I know exactly where
to find it. OK.
But that's so interesting. And yeah, I was just thinking
about like, before you were saying it, how she's like, yeah,
it just like blurred together, like.
Well, she said the tattoo artist, when he did it, he said
like you'll see and she or trustme.
And she's like, what do you mean?
He's like, just trust me, you'llsee something like that.

(33:04):
That's right, he's probably likethis.
Guy's not going to work out, girl, you're 17.
All right, in this next, in thisnext picture, you mentioned the
robe earlier. Here's the robe.
They're kind of leaning against the picnic table at Drew and
Jamie. And Drew is she has 2 cigarettes
with her mouth. And this If you listen to our
Batman Forever episode, you would know that Two Faced also

(33:25):
had two cigarettes in this mouth.
So maybe Dre was just like channeling Future 2000.
It's like a premonition. Eventually she's going to be on
one side of someone putting thatlight sided cigarette in his
mouth. But she looks so cool.
I know. It's such a bummer that like
cigarettes are like synonymous with.
Cool. I mean, especially with her,

(33:47):
like she knew how to work a cigarette and make it look
really good. And I hate smoking.
I hate it's right. Hey, that's how I feel about
smoking. But gosh darn if she didn't make
it look so good in the 90s. And like, I mean, she had him in
photo shoots. She had him on the red carpet.

(34:09):
This girl smoked a lot. Yes, she did.
And this is no exception. No, no exception at.
All she did tell Arsenio that she had the 2 cigarettes in her
mouth because she was lighting one for Jamie.
So romantic. Very romantic and also like
looking great doing it. I know.
Gosh darn it, Drew. And we do have a few outtakes

(34:31):
from this, which is nice. I mean, they printed a ton,
which is lovely, right? But outtakes are always, always
a treat. We love an outtake.
Yes, so they printed an outtake in a 1994 issue of Interview of
Drew with the dog. It's beautiful.
It's like sepia toned but kind of like pinkish tone.
Yeah. Really beautiful.

(34:51):
So pretty like, I don't rememberwhat that little article is even
about, but this is a full page if I recall and it's great.
It's really great. And then you've got a couple
other outtakes in here that we don't even know where they came
from. Yeah, I don't know.
There's one on the picnic table of them smooching with the dog
on Drew's back, and then there'sanother one in the grass where

(35:13):
her little boobies are showing. So it's it's almost like the
cover, but her hand is a little bit out of the way.
But it's like that alone. I mean, this is that whole thing
of like, why is the nipple so controversial?
But like that alone makes it like E Like it's just so funny.
I know how immediate it feels like.
Society. Inappropriate.

(35:34):
Yeah, Society is just like ingrained to that.
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All right. So as magazines do, this one's
got an article and we've got a little Q&A that we'll get into
in a minute. And it's, it's got both Graham
and Ingrid asking questions throughout.
And then there's like another, not somebody else at one point.

(37:01):
And then like Drew and Jamie areboth answering.
So we'll be doing our best to like.
I know. Keep that clear.
Maybe we'll just do a question and then Drew, Jamie, we'll
figure. It out?
Yeah, We'll figure it out, all right.
But it's got an intro that we'regoing to go ahead and read.
Sometimes these are fun, you know, the little the ways they
summarize her. Yeah.
It says Drew Barrymore is a national treasure.

(37:22):
Her precocious performances as Girdian ET the Extra of
Terrestrial and as other Wiley or winsome Muppets catapulted
her into child stardom. And the cost of cost to her and
the cost to her was deer. As if being born into America's
most famous thespian family wasn't burdened enough for any
aspiring actress, but Barrymore emerged from rehabilitation from

(37:45):
alcohol and drug abuse three years ago with her considerable
natural resources intact and eventually the desire to
continue her career. Nice.
And it's also like 3 years ago like I.
Know oh we'll talk about that it's crazy the intro does go on
to describe how she decided to basically have her comeback roll

(38:05):
be that of a bad girl in Poison Ivy and how well she succeeded
in that film and it says that when you meet her you'd never
sense that she was so controversial which like I
totally get this and I love thisquote they said having weathered
the equivalent of a bidlife crisis, she's an unguarded,
affectionate and spontaneous person whose thoughts swarm like

(38:28):
bees from a hive so. Good, I love it.
So true, so good. And it goes on to say that she's
very candid and open. And then the quote is she is
what she is. And the most impressive thing
that she is, is trusting and unafraid.
Gorgeous. Glorious and beautifully
written. But like, yeah, that whole thing

(38:49):
of, like, thoughts that swarm like bees from a hive.
She has such an active and beautiful mind.
Yeah. I love that.
It's like, I don't know. That's a great analogy.
It is beautiful. Beautiful.
All right, so let's get into this question and answer part.
So it kind of begins with Drew and Jamie, and they're kissing
and Drew apologizes for the public display of affection, the

(39:13):
PDA, and says they can't help themselves because they always
want to be close and are always talking about each other when
they're apart. And because of that, it kind of
drives their friends crazy. So they were like kind of
obsessed with each other. I mean, we've, we've all been
there at the beginning of a relationship later.
I mean, we can assume these photos must have been taken.
I think her hair is brown by like April, so somewhere between

(39:36):
April and April. May probably if this is on
stands by June and I think they'd only just started dating
in that time. Like this is very fresh.
Not very fresh, Very fresh. So she's asked like, what did
they do on their first date? And Jamie pops in and says that

(39:57):
they were both really nervous. He picked her up and they were
supposed to go see the 1946 Beauty and the Beast film.
And then Drew interjects that itwas, it's her favorite film and
it was showing for just one night in LA, but they couldn't
find the theater. And so Jamie says instead they
got food, walked on the beach and stayed up all night talking.
Which just sounds like a great first date.

(40:18):
That's lovely, That's lovely. Also like how funny to live in a
time where you couldn't just Google it look up.
Yeah, look up. Where the theater?
That's very true. I mean, I guess they could have,
like, asked somebody, but, hey, they made the best of it.
Yeah. So then she's asked if they met
because Jamie's also an actor. And Jamie said yes.

(40:39):
They have a mutual agent Who's JJ Harris that set them up and
Drew explains that the time thatthey met, they like or they've
both been in a relationship for a while.
And then when they broke up, JJ Harris introduced them and Jamie
kind of says that like he didn't.
We wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be a rebound

(41:01):
thing. And Drew says that JJ was very
smart. And then Drew says she had been
working with her for 10 years, which we're kind of like, not
sure that that timeline seems like it could be possible.
Yeah, I don't know about that. I'd have to go.
But Drew does that a lot. Yeah, we we know that.
And she says that JJ like knows her better than everyone.

(41:21):
We do know they had a really good like relationship.
Yeah, RIP. By the way, do you remember she
passed away? I.
Forgot yeah, I meant to go rewatch.
I think it's true celebrity profile, which I feel like we
reference on here all the time, celebrity profile.
But J JS in that and I should have gone and watched it to see

(41:41):
because I think she does kind ofcomment on introducing Drew and
Jamie, but I just don't think that she was withdrew from the
time she did ET like that just doesn't feel right to me.
I could be wrong. I feel like I should know this,
but I just don't think that's right.
I'm going to look into it further.
I'll come back to you guys on that.
So Ingrid says that 10 years is a long time for an actress, a

(42:04):
young actress. But Drew has sort of been around
forever. And this time I pulled the exact
quote from Drew. So she laughs and she says, see,
I started in commercials when I was 11 months, but I knew my mom
wasn't sure that was right. Then when I was old enough to
talk, I said to her, acting is my dream.
I don't want you to think that you're doing wrong by me by

(42:25):
getting me an agent. I can't expect you to be sure
about this coming from a 2 year old.
But please, this is all I want. And I was lucky to have a mother
who supported me. And I just, we have to put this
clip in here because I love it so much.
I just said to my mom, I want tobe an actor, and she said no,
no, honey, that's fine, That's OK.

(42:47):
You know, it's really hard for you could just go on back into
bed and take a nappy. And then I said no.
I want. To I want to be an actress.
And she said, all right, so she took me to an agent about when I
was 11 months old. Go on and take a nappy.
Take a nappy and she kind of like Pat.

(43:08):
'S very this and. She's like Pat.
I love that we've like had so many different versions of that
same story. Even little girl lost, I think
she said she's like 3 or 4, but obviously like something like
that happened at some point while she was very young because
we've heard it a lot. Yeah, we have.
So like that anecdote is like, yeah, we've heard the variance
of it, but she basically was like insisted on acting.

(43:31):
And then the interview actually says that's called really
knowing what you want to do. That's.
Cute. And then she's asked, is her
agent a mentor to her? And Drew responds that that
she's, like, very independent and wants to make her own
decisions. But it's really important to
have JJ's approval on things. And her input has a really big

(43:52):
impact on Drew's career. So clearly, like, that's
important. Yeah.
She also said that Drew and Jamie, like, hang out with JJ as
friends. I don't know how much older JJ
was than them, but it's kind of funny.
Yeah. And JJ is currently pregnant, so
they said they like to put theirfaces to her stomach.
That's. Really cute.

(44:15):
So then they're asked if they live together, Drew and Jamie.
Jerry says yes, in West Hollywood, we don't have any
information. There's this weird time period
in the, like, early 90s where we, like, have no idea where she
was, like, living. And then we kind of know after
that, yeah, they're trying to fix their place up.
They're replacing the floors, but they also wanted to find a

(44:35):
bigger place. And Jamie says they want a yard.
And Jerry says they want grass for their dog to run around in.
And also like the this place. I'm like, what dog is this?
I like I'm thinking it was Jamie's and like he brought it
to the relationship. Yeah, yeah, cuz I don't I don't
know of any dog that she had. Yeah, not I feel like.
Do we know of any dog she had before she got like.

(44:57):
Foxy and Templeton no. No, yeah.
So that was interesting when shewas younger and even then it was
like that was kind of sporadic and that's kind of interesting
to think about cuz we know she'slike such an animal lover and
such a like dog like she also. I used to call Luke Wilson's dog
hers. He had a dog named Ked and she
would like talk about it like itwas hers.

(45:17):
That was probably why I was like, I bet this was Jamie's
dog. That's true and I I mean he
probably influenced Drew maybe getting the dogs right Yeah,
probably. I mean because the timeline like
yeah, anyway, kind of cool, interesting.
All right, so then in the interview asks about their
respective Aaron Spelling TV shows.

(45:39):
Drew had 2000 Malibu Road and Jamie Walters had The Heights,
and Drew said they were both really nervous to do TV.
It's kind of interesting to think about this now.
Like so Jamie Walters said it used to be if you did TV you
couldn't do films, but that's changing with Luke Perry, Jason
Priestley, etcetera. And then Drew said that TV
actors get first dibs on roles now, which I don't.

(46:01):
I wonder if that was actually true.
Yeah, that's interesting. I feel like even then it was
still kind of like, pretty superlike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's interesting to think of that now because like, actors
just do whatever. Now it's not a thing at all.
And like shows are like not considered any less of caliber
than movies. Anymore the era of prestige

(46:23):
television, Right? Yeah.
Yeah. That's really funny.
But yeah. So Jamie points out that studios
didn't want to take risks on unknown actors, and they like TV
actors because the public already knows them, which makes
sense. I get that, yeah.
Yeah. So here's a quote from Drew, she
said. I was closed off to the idea of
TV until director and executive producer Joel Schumacher call

(46:46):
back to our last episode, BatmanForever.
He was the director of that film.
So he started telling me about 2000 Malibu Road and I read the
first two episodes. Our writer is Terry Louise
Fisher, who writes women so well.
I play a struggling actress who comes to the Midwest with my
sister. Through the course of the
series, I become one of the mostfamous stars in the world, and

(47:08):
my sister becomes the biggest Asian in Hollywood.
Usually when you watch TV, you see everybody going farther and
farther downhill. But in this series, they get
better. So I don't think they even got
anywhere to the point in that show where that happened.
They must have given her like a rough outline of what was going
to happen. Yeah, the most I remember about
her, her sister. Oh God.

(47:33):
Doesn't seem like she would become a successful.
No. Agent Anyway, that's
interesting, but I like that that she is looking at it from
this perspective, going into it like she's looking at it because
she likes how the women are written.
That's cool, that's cool. And then she's asked, like, what
makes a well written women's role?
And Drew said that a lot of scripts have women, quote, just

(47:54):
screaming and squealing for the boys are very afraid.
And then she said, but women canbe very daring in reality.
Makes sense that she did. Charlie's Angels, Yeah.
Oh my God. Perspective is like it comes.
It's like the boys and be daring.
Yep, Yep. And then Jamie points out that
most scripts are written by men.And Drew said that like, women's

(48:18):
dialogue is is written as written by men is usually
pathetic, saying things that like, women would never say in
real life. And she said that she likes
transitions. And so, like, she likes the way
that her character in the show starts off scared.
It becomes strong. I wonder if we saw that in like
the episodes that we saw becauseI I don't remember any
trajectory. I don't think so.

(48:39):
I think there's only three. I mean, she like gets like an
audition. Like, I think that's as far as
her career as an actress in the show really gets so.
We're gonna have to dust off ourour 2000 Malibu Rd.
Tapes. I think they're on YouTube.
I think they might be, yeah. But like I said, like maybe

(49:00):
there's three episodes that evereven made a tear and then it got
cancelled, so we never got to see her become this big star.
So she the interviewers point out that part of what makes Drew
so interesting to them is how real she is willing to be, both
personally and while acting, Surgery says Quote.
A lot of the respect I have for my character in 2000 Melbourne

(49:22):
Rd. is that she doesn't take shit and she speaks her mind,
which is very much like me back then.
I want to have real relationships and I like to see
them portrayed in my show. My boyfriend does something
that's not even really wrong, but I tell him what I'm not
prepared to accept. So she's really like going for
this strong woman vibe, but I don't think it comes across in

(49:44):
the episodes that aired, sadly. Yeah, I don't think it does
either. And maybe we just need to look
at it through that lens. Yeah, I don't know.
So she's kind of like told that her openness can probably be
used against her by the media. And it was asked if she's was
advised against talking about her addiction struggles.

(50:07):
And then she goes into this story like we will.
We've we've talked about this before, but it's kind of, I
don't know. It's it's always interesting to
talk about this. Yeah.
So Drew first admits that she slipped a few times post
recovery, but that she will havebeen sober for three years on
July 3rd. And she's using the word sober
here, which is interesting. Now she's so like.

(50:29):
I didn't even not. Sober, you know.
I'm not sober. I don't work her program.
Well, back then she was. And the story that we know is
that the National Enquirer reporter snuck into the facility
where she was in rehab and brokethe story.
And Drew said when it broke, I was told these are your options.
You can completely deny it, or you can admit it and go on with
your life and never talk about it again, or you are in a

(50:51):
position of power to speak your mind and help other people.
I said, I think you all know what choice I'm going to take.
And they all looked down and were like, I had a feeling she
would say that. And I love this because it's
kind of like, like, is Drew going to be honest?
Like, of course she is. I love that.
That's kind of how she. Sees yeah, I love that.
Like her people are all like, can we bury this?
And she's like, Nope, that's notgoing to tell.

(51:12):
Everybody. Yeah.
So she that she learned in recovery how important honesty
was, but she hadn't planned to be honest to the entire world.
That was kind of forced on her. But she like realized she wants
to help others, which is why shewrote Little Girl Lost.
So hey, if you haven't read Little Girl Lost and you want to
hear us going through it, another reason to go to our

(51:33):
Patreon guys. Patreon.com/andrew yeah, we're
like a little behind on finishing up, but we have the
last three chapters and I believe the next one we're going
to cover is when the National Enquirer story breaks.
So this is like perfect timing. So we'll have to get into that
really soon. So she's asked what gave her the

(51:55):
idea to write the book. And she says, you know, she
wanted to be honest, work on herrecovery, and she was not
concerned with how it would affect her Hollywood career.
But then she was getting a lot of buzz when the story started
breaking and publishing companies were reaching out to
her. She ended up going with Simon
and Schuster because, quote, they were more interested in
what I had to say than what theywanted me to say, which I love

(52:17):
that. Like what did these other people
want her to say about her? They also let her choose her Co
writer, who of course is Todd Gold.
She said she was nervous when itcame out, but it did really
well. And then she said, quote, I
don't give a damn that I'm a best selling author.
Who cares? The point was that I reached a
tons of people. And then once her passion for

(52:39):
acting came back, when she kind of worked it through all that
other stuff, then it was hard toconvince people that she could
be trusted. And we all know those stories,
of course, are being blacklisted.
Quote, UN quote. And the way she kind of feels
like even now that things could always go away comes.
From yeah, I didn't even think about that layer of it.
I also just wanted to ask like Todd Gold had written the People

(53:02):
article before they did the bookright?
So is that how she met Todd I? Think so.
That's my that's my feeling about it.
Yeah. OK.
So she's asked if it's still thecase that she can't be trusted.
And Drew said not at all. But in the beginning, people at
auditions had this attitude of you should be so grateful.
I already was. She said.

(53:22):
They knocked me down over and over again, and I would go home
crying. She said that getting Poison Ivy
helped things kind of snowball and LED it to her getting gun
crazy. But before that, she was having
a lot of problems. But it is interesting that
you're like, yeah, it's probablynot.
It's probably not, not at all. Well, what I thought of
immediately was Bad Girls being her first studio film, you know,

(53:44):
since like 1988 or whatever. And, you know, we kind of know
this little story that we've heard that she might have had a
run in with the law due to some marijuana and Jeremy Maloney
like helped her get out of it. And there was this kind of, if
you could read between the lines, it was sort of like, she
is just getting her footing in Hollywood again.

(54:07):
She is just getting to the placewhere people trust her and she's
allowed to, like, be with these other big women stars.
And that could have really been a huge problem if that had come
out. Like, see, we knew she was a
druggie or whatever, whatever. It would have been.
It was like she was still havingto sort of walk on egg shells.
Yes, absolutely. For a long time, yeah.

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OK, so then it's pointed out that seeing her act so fiercely
and so generously in Poison Ivy was very impressive.
Nice words. Yeah.
And Drew's quote is Ivy was the kind of girl who, in reality,
you would never want to become. But maybe when you were younger,
you even knew a girl like Ivy who just made you say, why can't
I be that free? Why can't I just do the things

(54:53):
she does? Even though what she does is
wrong, at least she has the gutsto go and do it.
I loved Ivy so much for that andwanted to play her regardless of
whether it was a good career move.
Live about that fantasy. Yeah, and once again, she's like
picking it because she likes thecharacters confidence or
whatever. It is That's the right she.
Feels in the character, yeah. So she's kind of asked, like,

(55:17):
was there any risk in getting typecast as a bad girl?
Well. Which is like.
Yeah, you know that happened course.
So Drew said that once footage started coming out from Poison
Ivy, she was getting a lot of like offers for what she called
Lolita. Ask Nymphet Rolls and but she
likes so she doesn't see herselfas a sex symbol.
And this is the part in here where she's like, I don't look

(55:39):
in the mirror and be like, you, girl, you got it going on.
She said that so much back then.Yeah, yeah.
But we also know that she, like has said many times that despite
the like evidence of like sexiness, you know, she's just
like that's it's just a. Character.
I'm just a dork, right? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and then they said that people get excited when taboos

(56:02):
are broken in movies, Andrew said.
Although personally I'm very into stability commitments and
domesticity now, I appreciate films that step over the
industry's boundaries. Also, I think that people
sometimes mistake what the real message of the film is, and
that's why the industry is so limited.
But fuck that. I found it very interesting when
I read that line. I'm very into stability

(56:24):
commitments and domesticity now because I feel like that has
come up like in waves throughouther life.
And then it like totally goes the opposite way.
And she goes into her like hedonistic, just a long crazy
2009 clothes. And then it's more like, I just
want to be like stable at home and like clean my living room,
right? Like that's where she's at now

(56:46):
for sure. But it's funny that it like came
in these little peaks and valleys throughout her life
because. I feel like like when she was
with Luke, like there was this kind of like feeling that she
was going to like settle down, that stability for sure.
So like. I mean, with Will of course also
got very much that way. That's that's funny.
Totally. That's it is interesting to

(57:07):
think about those waves. Yeah.
So then she's asked if she has close female friendships like
the one in the film Poison Ivy. And Drew says she appreciates
being asked that because usuallywith Poison Ivy, she's just
asked about the supposed lesbianism between the
characters. Of course, she's like making out
with Sylvie was just one of Ivy's tricks, which is like
pretty true how it reads in the film.

(57:29):
And then she just like kind of says like at the beginning of
the movie. These two characters do have a
really strong and loving friendship.
Andrew said. Quote I love to cuddle and
giggle in bed with my friend Melissa.
She's always supportive and gives great advice, but she's
very distant affection wise. And sometimes I get frustrated
with her because I want to put my arm around her and hug her

(57:50):
and do all that girly stuff. I had to laugh because I It must
have been in our 1994 Year in Review episode not that long ago
where we talked about this. Melissa, this is Mel.
Mel Bochco. Drew's probably longest time
ever friendship and they're on this trip together on a cruise
in the Mediterranean. And Mel just wants to stay in in

(58:11):
her room in bed well, and not goon any excursion.
So I just love that. It's like she'll let me like
cuddle in bed with her and that's about it.
She's also like falling asleep in one of the interviews in 1994
where she's like accompanying Drew to I think it's the US
magazine and. I think they're like a
restaurant and she's like layingdown or something, or she's like

(58:33):
just puts her head down on the table.
Yeah, Mel. I love Mel.
I know. I wish we knew more about Mel,
like I would love to. I don't know.
We just know that she's been a constant in Drew's life.
Yeah, since they were like 7. It's amazing.
Right. And now we're talking about like
33 years ago and they're still, they're still friends.
So then she's asked if it'd beenhard to make friends due to

(58:54):
being a quote UN quote baby star, which is really funny.
And Drew said that it definitelywas hard to make friends.
But she says she's very lucky tohave an incredible small group
of friends who would do anythingfor her.
This is like including Mel and Justine and I'm sure other
people that there. There have got to be other
people we haven't heard of. You know, come and gone.

(59:14):
Right. Yeah, because I think this is
like probably right before Kim Greitzer entered the scene.
Well, I think she was her assistant on on Amy Fisher's
story, so maybe she is like coming around at this time.
That would make sense. Cool.
Yeah, that is cool. OK.
So then she's asked what it was like growing up alone with her
mom. So just the two of them, right?

(59:35):
And Drew said, quote, I had a different childhood from anyone
I knew. I listened to Jim Morrison
rather than Sesame Street and I read Charles Bukowski.
I thought that was normal until I was 10 years old talking about
Bukowski to a 35 year old who reacted.
How the hell do you know that Itwas just me and my mom?
She didn't have many friends andneither did I.

(59:58):
We lost the ability to communicate for a couple of
years and once we gained it back, she became my best friend.
We live 2 blocks away from each other now and this is
definitely, we've talked about this before.
Like this is kind of the last time they have a good
relationship. It's right here.
You know, they did double ganger.

(01:00:18):
Drew stabbed her in the opening scene and then it sort of seems
like their relationship after that is.
Done for the rest of all. Well, I guess they had that
brief time when she was with TomGreen where they reconnected.
For a little bit, but even then like I don't, I think it was
like a not last. I mean, I guess.
Yeah, it certainly wasn't like. Best friends, I had forgotten
that they like lived close by toeach other.

(01:00:40):
I'd forgotten this, this fact atthis time.
But we're always curious about that timeline of that
relationship. Yeah, both of her relationships
with. Her parents like.
How often they actually did havea in an actual relationship.
I know it's kind of funny. Like sometimes I'm like, should
we do a whole episode on her momor her dad?
And I'm like, it's probably too much.
And we've talked about them in like, almost every episode we've

(01:01:03):
ever done, right? Right.
It would be. I mean, it'd be fascinating to
think about it in that way, but I feel like we still have a lot
of like puzzle pieces to put together in a way to like, know,
I don't know the. We got to wait for Drew to come
on the show and tell us all thatstuff.
And for her to like for her mom to die so she can talk about it.
You know how she wants her mom to die?

(01:01:23):
Headlines everywhere. Oh my God.
Yeah. Google it, guys.
Google it. Yeah, we're not lying.
So at this point the interview just like jumps to the next day
and we're in the car on the way to the photo shoot.

(01:01:44):
And it's always interesting thatlike, the articles usually don't
have much connection to the likephoto shoot.
Yeah, we actually just talked about that.
Yes, when we. Were talking about Bert Stern.
Yes, that's right. But they do like talk about the
photo shoot in that right? I wish.
They did that more. Honestly, it's kind of fun.
Me too, me too. But I guess sometimes it's like
not and maybe not as much anymore.

(01:02:06):
So much of like a that the art of the photo shoot is so tied
with like. Yeah, definitely not in a way.
You know, like it was like an art.
Yeah. And I feel not that that's gone,
like it still exists, but I feellike we see so many reused
photos. Yeah, that's a whole nother
conversation. Yeah.
All right, so let's get back into it.
So then she's asked, Drew's asked if she's been to a lot of

(01:02:30):
schools, and Drew's response is yes.
And she says about 23. No, girl, she said.
But she never tried hard becauseshe couldn't express herself to
the teachers. She said she would love to go
back and learn more about film. Makes sense her.
But she went to the College of Life, right?
And then she said she wants to direct a movie inspired by the

(01:02:50):
Red Balloon, which is so interesting.
Yeah, there's a lot there. Like, I feel like that's the
first time I ever can remember her saying she wanted to go back
to school because usually the story was like, I don't have to
be here. I'm emancipated by I'm never
coming back again. And I think it has.
We've talked about this a lot, always been a source of

(01:03:12):
embarrassment. Let's say that she didn't finish
school in the traditional sense.She was going to get her.
What's it called? I'm like GPA.
Nope. PhD.
Nope. GED.
Her GED. You remember on the second
season of the Drew Barrymore Show, when they came back, she

(01:03:33):
did this whole thing where she and RuPaul were going to and
maybe like a couple audience members that they brought in or
something. We're going to go back and get
their GED's. And it was like going to be a
whole journey. And then it just went away,
fizzled out. Yeah.
Interesting. I know I would definitely, I
would remember being so excited that for her like that she was

(01:03:56):
going to do it. And then, you know, much like
many of her projects, she probably went, what the hell am
I trying to do juggle all this? But hey, instead she got an
honorary degree from Calarts forher bit for her 50th birthday.
True and. We got to be there.
Yeah, we did. But like her learning about
film, like she did that on her own when we think of things like

(01:04:18):
the essentials where she's in there with like all of this film
knowledge. And anyway, so she did it.
She just. Didn't like, even like.
Yeah. And even what she brought to the
table with, like, compiling all of these clips to show what she
wanted Charlie's Angels to look like or whip it.
Of course. It's a great example.
And we'll we'll kind of feed into that here because she's

(01:04:41):
asked if she has a longing to beon the other side of the camera.
And it's neat because this is only a couple years before
Flower Film started. Like, we're pretty close to
that, which is neat. So her quote is, I'm enamored
with the other side of the filmmaking process.
I'm always trying to bond with my directors, but I don't know
how I'm going to respond actually to telling people what

(01:05:01):
to do because I'm not very good at that.
I have an assistant and I let her do her own thing.
I can't even tell her what to do.
And it made me laugh because I definitely remember her, like
sort of being asked about that with Never Been Kissed, you
know? And I do remember her saying,
like, she wishes she could be the kind of boss that would
throw coffee cups. I don't know why that quote is
in my head, but like, that's just not her, you know?

(01:05:25):
Of course. Yeah, I'm kind of that.
I'm kind of that kind of boss too, where I just expect people
to just like, step up to their own plate, you know, And like
not have to be hard on them. Not have to delegate, yeah.
Yes, I don't. I mean, I'm managing 3 people
over the summer right now and it's.
I know I have just my one officeassistant and definitely
sometimes I'm like, I have to belike, OK, you got to do it like

(01:05:49):
this. Another sense.
I'm like, I don't want to say that.
Right, right, right. So we feel you, Drew.
We're like, we want to just be nice and jovial.
So then she's asked if what Cannes was like and Drew talks
about so Cannes Film Festival. And Drew's immediate feeling is

(01:06:11):
like they hated it. Jamie goes on to like, mention
that they were kicked out of Chanel and then Drew explains
that she has this, like, favorite pair of shoes by Karl
Lagerfeld. She said they're little open
toed, crisscross with a thick heel.
They're very Marilyn Monroe. Call back 22 episodes ago.
Yep. And then she like explains, they

(01:06:32):
went into Chanel to find those shoes and then they were asked
to, to leave because they were assumed that they were like
going to be shoplifting. And she said at the Chanel store
in LA, they're so nice. But can, she said.
God forbid you go in there and apair of Levi's?
And then Jamie says. Or you have tattoos.
Yep, Yep. And you pulled up a picture of

(01:06:53):
what I'm sure the shoes are. Yeah, these were heels she wore
all the time in 1992 and 1993. So.
Well, I guess we could throw oneof these in the gallery so you
guys can check them out and you'll be like, Oh yeah, those
shoes and. That's what she was going down
there trying to get and got turned away, she said in 2000
Malibu Rd. Her character I got started

(01:07:14):
wearing thrift store baseball Tees and evolves into wearing
Chanel and. Again, I'm like, don't think we
ever got that far. I don't think so either.
I would have loved to see it though, Damn.
Right. And then Jamie said that the
best part of Cannes was their layover in Paris at the airport
where they played Game Boy with Linda Evangelista.

(01:07:35):
And that's so fun. Yeah, we heard about this
recently, right? I guess we'd heard it in here,
but like, it came back. Up.
Yeah. So Drew says it was really early
in the morning and we were sitting in the VIP lounge.
Jamie said that I was staring ather to a horrible degree, and I
felt really bad because it was across between, oh, there's Linda
Evangelista and being so tired that I couldn't move my eyes in

(01:07:58):
another direction. She looked up at me and held out
her Game Boy and went, you want to play?
That was the high of our trip toCannes, going head to head with
Linda Evangelista. And that's where the article
ends. And as you said, Linda was on
the Drew Barrymore show, I thinkjust last year, and they
discussed this. And I was like hoping that they
would. And it's so sweet because

(01:08:18):
Linda's sort of like. I don't know if you.
Ever remember this? Yeah, like I remember this was
an interview. And I feel like they both admit
to being like a little starstruck of each other.
And then they like, you know, had this like, Oh my God, she's
got a Gameboy too. Like I.
Know and then the show like gifted her a gameboy during the
appearance which was. So cute it.

(01:08:39):
Was like in a box. It was like she opened it up and
it was in there. That's really, that is really
cute. But yes, it kind of like
abruptly ends here on a fun note.
I think this is a fun article. Obviously an iconic shoot, a
very like kind of lightning in abottle moment because of the
hair, because of the boyfriend, because.

(01:09:00):
Of wow, you're so right now. Those things were both here and
then not real quick, right? Right.
But like big impactful well-being.
Like contained. Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's so wild
to think about. It's a good one, though.
If you guys, again, if you're not familiar with this one, if
you're not one of those pervs who's Googling Drew Barrymore

(01:09:22):
nudes, then go check these out. And then they're tasteful.
They're not. I mean, I wouldn't even say
Playboy's not tasteful, but these are less revealing than
that for sure. I wonder what Mila would say if
you like showed them to her. Oh, she would.
She would hate it. She's such a prude.
Well, I was going to say, when Ibrought this to my office to

(01:09:44):
scan it, I had a moment of like.Oh, I'm holding anyone to the
nude. Person if anyone's here and I
have to be like, oh, just scanning a teenage Drew
Barrymore naked on the front of this magazine.
Like that gave me pause, you know, which is interesting, but
like I see it all the time and Idon't have a reaction to it, but
I was kind of thinking about like, what would an out spider

(01:10:06):
think? Luckily no one was there and I
was able to just get it done real quick without having to
explain. Yeah, and we don't we don't have
to explain to you guys. You get us, you know, our
intentions. Just like, you know, I like, I
mean, I just thought about this,but how Drew kind of explained
that like she got us like she got our vibe and aren't like
maybe she didn't say this, but like that our intention is good,

(01:10:27):
like I think. She, yeah, maybe she said it, or
maybe it was just very clearly what she was going for.
Yeah. Right.
But I think that, you know, we're coming to this from like
we're going to kind of giggle about the fact that she's naked.
Sure. We're going to, like, discuss
the fact that she's as young andhow it can be justified in our
minds and how it's weirdly OK asbig fans.
I don't know, it's fun to like go into the stuff that's.

(01:10:49):
Like, yeah, and I also think as historians, this is a big, this
is a biggie. Like we had to hit this
eventually. And I'm glad we talked about it.
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That's weird. That's weird because I, I

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