September 16, 2025 • 60 mins
Welcome back to How I AI. I’m your host, Brooke Gramer. Today I’m sharing something special.. a panel recorded live in Miami on August 7th at an event I co-hosted and moderated called Conscious Co-Creation and Leadership with AI.
This wasn’t your typical tech talk. The panel opened with my co-host, Marian Bacol, leading the room through a somatic breathing exercise and introducing her new project, the Nervana app: A tool designed to regulate the nervous system in an age where AI is moving faster than our bodies can keep up.
From there, the conversation unfolded into a mix of bold ideas and grounded perspectives. You’ll hear:
Osiris Santos on sovereignty, why he doesn’t fully trust AI even as he builds with it, and how he once used AI to represent himself in a lawsuit and won.
Jonathan Barry on how AI felt like a kundalini awakening that unleashed his creativity, and how he’s building The Deal Machine to transform investor relations.
– My reflections on ethical leadership, education, and why critical thinking will be the differentiator in an AI-driven future.
We explored questions like:
– How can leaders create with AI responsibly when the pressure to move fast is overwhelming?
– Are we at risk of becoming cognitively lazy by outsourcing too much to machines?
– What does the future of education look like in an AI world, and what can we learn from models like Alpha School?
The episode closes with a dynamic audience Q&A on data privacy, surveillance, and how founders can stay resilient when AI is evolving faster than their ideas.
Concepts Mentioned:
- Nervana App – AI-Guided Somatic therapy sessions
- The Deal Machine – an AI-powered investor relations platform
- Hack Your Education – Jonathan Barry’s book on project-based learning
- Scaling Responsible AI: From Enthusiasm to Execution, Book by Noelle Russell
- Alpha School – a new model of education expanding to Florida
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Welcome back to How I AI.
I'm your host, Brooke Gramer.
Today I'm sharing somethingspecial, a panel recorded live
in Miami on August 7th at anevent I co-hosted and moderated
called Conscious Co-Creation andLeadership with AI.
This wasn't your typical techtalk.
(01:51):
We opened with somatic breathingpractices led by my co-host,
Marian Bacol.
She also introduced her newproject, the Nervana app.
It's an AI powered tool fornervous system regulation and
guided healing.
She shared why this kind ofgrounding is so important in the
age of AI where there is so muchfear and led the audience
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through short breathingexercises that honestly helped
me right before I stepped onstage.
In this episode, you'll hearpanel highlights from Osiris
Santos, Jonathan Barry, andmyself.
Osirus was actually featured onepisode two of How I AI, so if
you haven't checked out hisepisode, scroll back and give it
a listen.
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And Jonathan Barry impressed mewith his vision for conscious
leadership and his work ineducation, which is a theme I'll
be diving into more on the showsoon.
Together we tackled the bigquestions.
What does it mean to scaleresponsibly with ai?
How do we prevent cognitivelaziness when answers are cheap?
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Where has AI given you fear,made you feel afraid, and what
role will education play whenschools like Alpha are
re-imagining learning entirely?
These are the conversations Ilove to curate, not just on this
podcast, but also like the liveevents and panels I design.
If you're interested inpartnering on thought provoking
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Thank you as always for tuningin and being a part of this
journey with me.
Alright, let's dive into thisspecial highlight episode of How
I AI.
Marian (04:13):
Alright.
So conscious co-creation andleadership with ai.
How does this go together andhow this came about for me
because i've been on thepersonal development spiritual
journey I've adopted ai, and asI've thought about the
intersection of people using ai,you hear a lot of people talking
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about really fears becausetechnology is moving faster
right than ever before and ashuman beings.
Our bodies haven't really caughtup to that quite yet because
it's moving exponentially.
So we get dysregulated andconscious.
Really, the meaning of consciousis awareness, and we'll be
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talking about some of the fears,that people come up with when it
comes to ai.
We wanna have a really beautifulconversation on how it's really
the tool behind it.
So when we have more conscious,self-aware, regulated human
beings behind it, rightprompting, it really gives us an
opportunity to scale with ai,with so much more purpose,
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really focused on humanity andreally driving it forward.
So yeah.
Welcome.
Little bit about me.
I am the CEO and founder ofThriver Lifestyle.
I focus on nervous systemregulation somatic practices
healing, and I actually startedbuilding an AI wellness tech app
that makes nervous systemregulation, somatic healing, so
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much more accessible to peoplebecause we have so many things
coming at us, we're sodysregulated, so I wanted to do
a brief, practice, give you sometools on nervous system
regulation in the age of aibecause when you're regulated,
you can innovate a, a place ofpossibilities.
So when fears come out about ai,what are some things that people
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say?
I'd love to hear.
What are some it's gonna takeover?
Yeah.
What else?
You're gonna lose your job.
Yes.
What other things come up withpeople?
Like all these bots are gonnatake over all of these things.
And as I mentioned earlier.
Our technology is moving so muchfaster, but our bodies, our
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organic bodies are not.
So with all of these thingscoming at us, especially, I've
talked to experts in AI andthey're like, yeah, I'm also
dysregulated because it's movingso fast, right?
ChatGPT just announced, youknow, five, right?
And it's what is this likecompetition?
And so your body whew.
It freezes flights, oh, sorry.
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flight, freeze fight.
So here are a few things thatyou can do and these practices,
these tools.
Can help you in all aspects ofyour life.
Our entire world so focuses onthe mind.
But the key is actually in thebody, so when we are able to
move through these things, thesefears, these overwhelms from our
body, you can utilize ai, youcan utilize technologies to
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better your lives personally,professionally.
And I'm gonna do a littlepractice with you, so I invite
you to close your eyes.
All right?
Take a deep breath.
Ah.
Two more.
There's a few of you that hadreally shallow breath.
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Deep breath in and release itout.
Open mouth.
Sigh ha.
One last time.
Deep inhale in.
Ah, and when I ask thisquestion, I want you to just
notice where in your body you'refeeling something.
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Where has AI given you fear,made you feel, afraid, made you
feel overwhelmed?
Perhaps a thought of gettingreplaced or losing your job?
Perhaps it is taking over theworld and humanity's gone and
notice where it is in your body.
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And when you take a deep breath,and I want you to really push
this, exhale out, push thisenergy as if you're taking this
energy out from wherever youfeel it.
Let's say it's in your stomach.
Whew.
And you can actually take yourhands and like you're pushing it
away, pushing the energy away.
You are like, let it go.
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There's a lot of practices whereyou can shake off that fear.
You can shake off whatever it isbecause.
Fears are just circulating.
Energy is also in your head.
It could be a fear of arelationship ending, a fear of,
you know, death.
But when we keep it in and wecirculate it, then it stays in
our body, it collects in ourbody.
So when we actually move withthe intention of thinking of
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what that fear is and pushing itaway, we, can energetically, and
this is actually backed byneuroscience because a lot of
what we feel.
From our nervous system, ournerves get fed into our brain,
the things that we think aboutmost.
We create new neuro pathways inour head if we keep thinking
about it.
So we need to think differently.
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And now just think of yourworld.
It doesn't have to be theperfect world, but the world
where we are consciouslyco-creating with ai.
There's technologies that arehelping us clean the pollution
problem.
Technologies that are helpingwith hunger, with, all of these
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real life problems that humanityhas with the people behind it.
Just the fact that you're allhere means that you are thinking
about these things and you'reconcerned.
So hopefully those tools helpyou out.
So I want to welcome my amazingco-host, Brooke Gramer.
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We actually met because she wasa marketing director at Arlo,
and I used to do a lot of eventsat the Arlo Hotel in Wynwood,
and I just loved how shecommunicated.
She was sharp, she was on top ofit.
So she is now the host of How IAI and she interviews amazing
experts from all over the world.
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She had just interviewed someonefrom Germany on how they're
using it actually for reallycool and innovative things.
And she also does a lot ofmarketing strategy with the use
of ai.
So I'm gonna welcome Brooke upto the stage.
Thank you so much, Brooke.
Thank you.
Brooke (10:43):
As my amazing co-host mentioned, my name is Brooke
Gramer.
I am the host of the How AIpodcast, where I interview
people weekly about theseamazing conversations and what
they're doing in AI and howthey're individually adapting
it.
I'm so honored to welcome ourincredible panelists today.
I'd like to introduce OsirisSantos.
(11:05):
He's a multidisciplinarystrategist, an AI transformation
leader known for blendingenterprise precision with
soulful purpose-driven design.
He's the creator of the Art ofBeing Useful, a human-centered
framework for thriving in anautomated world.
Welcome, Osiris.
Our next.
Panelists is Jonathan Barry.
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He is a futurist and impactinvestor working at the
intersection of exponentialtech, human potential, and
planetary regeneration as thefounder of the Future House
Advisory.
And thank you so much for beinghere, Jonathan.
Welcome.
My pleasure.
So Marian did such a great jobopening the space and saying why
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we're all here and what ourfears might be when it comes
around ai.
I thought I would open up thespace reading an excerpt from a
book I'm reading actually, oneof my last conversations I had
speaking about women in tech.
I got to meet this woman namedNoelle Russell.
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You might have heard of her.
She just was the keynote speakerat Mindvalley's seminar that
they did about ai.
So she wrote a book calledScaling Responsible ai, and I
just wanna open this space withan excerpt from her book,
chapter 14, the Future of AILeadership Transforming
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Potential into Power.
The Future of ArtificialIntelligence is brimming with a
tremendous potential, yetfraught with sobering risks.
As AI continues, its meteoricrise reshaping industry after
industry, a new breed of leadersis needed to harness its world
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altering power ethically, westand at a pivotal crossroads
where the decisions made todaywill determine if AI propels
humanity upward through a newRenaissance, or plunges us
downward into a high techdystopia to navigate this
landscape, AI leaders must chartthe course ahead with vision,
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values, and an unwaveringcommitment to responsibility and
accountability.
Now is the time for bold ethicalleadership to transform AI's raw
potential into solutions thatserve the greater good.
The very future of ourcivilization hinges on leaders
who recognize that with thepower of AI comes a profound
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obligation to use it wisely.
I think that is a a beautifulway to open the space because we
have incredible leaders here Somy first question, going off of
what I just shared and thereason why we're all here today,
what does it really mean to useAI consciously and how do you
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personally define or embodythat?
Osirus.
If you could expand as much asyou would like to about what
you're doing now and AI and thenleading in to our first
question, which is, what does itreally mean to consciously use
ai?
Osiris (14:21):
All right, what am I doing now?
So with ai, I do a lot ofconsulting for enterprise
companies.
Like I work with a lot of bigbanks and financial institutions
like US Bank, Bank of America,JP Morgan, all the big banks.
And yeah, I'm in a funny spacewith a lot of them because we
do, we're going on the steps ofhow everything works in regular
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world.
So we start with ethics andgovernance, and then we get into
like where we can implementstuff.
But I think that's a funny spacebecause we're already too far
gone beyond the any governance.
You're never gonna catch up.
So I'm probably on the darkerside of these thoughts.
Yeah, I think as far asconsciousness it's an
interesting thing because.
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It's a cool tool.
Like you can move faster, youcan do cooler things.
You have the illusion of likeyour brain always being on and
going.
And consciousness, where doesthat come in?
So in a lot of my work outsideof just design and tech I do run
a men's group also, and one ofthe things that we stand for is
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sovereignty.
So as far as ai, I think it'sone of those.
It's a technology that'sallowing us to really dive
deeper into questioning, likewhere we stand on any of that.
Like I don't trust anythingabout AI at all.
Like I work at some pretty highlevels with it, but but yeah,
sovereignty is more important tome.
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So how we use it to be able tobe more sovereign and apply the
same thing that I do in lawtaxes for my business.
And I just try to make lifebetter that way.
Outside of that consciousness issomething that I'm still, i'm in
a case study of watching theworld and seeing how everybody's
using it.
'cause I feel like we're allgoing and very different
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directions.
There's a lot of like high hopesand big dreams.
But the reality of it is likethis is part of a commerce game.
And when you get into that gamethe human side kind of starts to
fade.
And as much as we want it and wedream for it, and we have all
these good aspirations, I alsothink that we've already gone
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far.
We're already moving way too farfor things to catch up.
So I'm enjoying the ride.
Let's see what happens.
Thank
Brooke (16:39):
you, Osiris.
Jonathan?
Jonathan Barry (16:42):
Yeah.
I would say we're definitelyapproaching the event horizon of
the great Awakening of theinfinite.
Intelligence and being able tointeract with the cosmos in ways
beyond our wildest imagination.
I know for me since the momentthat I started effing around and
finding out with ai I, from thevery beginning, I was like
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questioning the way that my mindwould think and the way that I
would prompt the AI becausereally only is limited by our
own capability to ask the rightquestion and to prompt the right
context.
And so I remember there was thismoment where I started realizing
like, well, what are thedifferent ways of thinking?
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What are, what's the differenttypes of logic?
And I went really deep.
If you were to go back into mychat at the very beginning, you
would see a lot about logic andthought, because I was like,
well, wait a second.
What am I not asking properly?
How can I ask better?
And so that was like my first,one of the first ahas the very
first aha was this almost likekundalini like awakening, where
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all of a sudden I felt trulylimitless.
I was no longer bound by thesmall language model of my own
brain.
And it was this relief, it wasthis somatic release of just
like finally I can give birth towhat is inside of me that wants
to come out and is bound bythese fingertips.
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So ever since then, my life hasjust been like exponentially
epic from a creative standpoint.
And so I've been helpingcompanies raise capital for the
last eight years.
I host events around the world.
I often say that my job is totrack the migratory patterns of
billionaires and throw reallygood parties there.
And lately, over the last sixmonths or so I decided that I
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was going to build an ai.
That would take my job beforesomebody else took, created an
AI that took my job.
So I was gonna be proactive andthen like a hundred x my
capability of doing my job.
So I have built my first AIproduct, first successful one.
My, my first one was pre-chat,GBT.
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I tried to launch an AI company,epic Fail.
But this one's actually working.
I found product market fit.
It's called the Deal Machine,and we're using generative AI to
help companies raise capital.
It's an investor relationsplatform.
So how, if you've ever, who herehas tried to raise money for an
idea or a startup, so you knowhow hard it is.
To follow up with all yourinvestor leads and try to keep
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them engaged and keep theminterested and educate them.
So that's what we've built as aplatform to do that.
Yeah, that's a little highlightabout me.
Brooke (19:27):
Thank you.
Some really key points here.
I'd love comparing AI as akundalini awakening.
I think I'm gonna use thatmoving forward.
And.
You made such a key point,Jonathan, about this fork in the
road of when chat GPT started,and now we're all finding
ourselves as accidentalentrepreneurs with this amazing
technology.
My next question there's a lotof fear around AI replacing
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human talent, but we're alsoseeing beautiful examples of how
it can unlock new levels ofcreativity and impact.
I know we have a lot ofcreatives in the room tonight.
In your own work or industry,where have you seen AI enhance
human potential rather thanreplace it?
Osiris (20:12):
All right.
So enhancement, almosteverywhere, right?
Like information is free.
So if you didn't know anything,like you can access it with the
right question.
The idea that it's the wholetaking your job thing and all
that it's only a matter of time,so I don't even wanna sugarcoat
it.
Yeah, it, we can, again it'sonly a better time.
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I feel like we're programmingour end but oh my gosh, you can
take advantage as much as youcan right now.
Like the conscious part is likeyou can go get a job.
Or you can create your own thingnow, like anything you want.
And I think right now to yourpoint on, on, on that crossroad
there it's everybody's gameright now to do that and, it's
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gonna lean one way or the other.
So the conscious part is howmany of us are gonna lean any
which way.
Like for me, I've been playingwith AI before it got popular
when we didn't call it that wehad machine learning and all
these other aspects of it.
And yeah, I think it's gonna getbetter.
I think it's just a up to you tomake the choice of like where
you're gonna go with it and howmuch you're really gonna own it.
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'cause that fear, that a lot ofpeople talk about, it's just a
lot of times it's just your ownfear of like the thing that
you're probably really good at,and you're just stopping
yourself from it.
So just don't let the fear takeover.
Brooke (21:33):
We're here to have a dynamic conversation.
Jonathan Barry (21:35):
You know, I'm a daily meditator, highly
meditated.
And one of the great benefits ofmeditation is actually gaining
insights and downloads.
Downloads, who's got downloads?
Yeah.
Yes.
And you have that aha moment,right?
And it's like you become onewith the universe.
You tap into the infinitetimelines, the infinite
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trajectories, and you're likeyeah, I'm gonna go for the one
where AI doesn't take over theworld and destroy humanity.
I'm gonna actually create heavenon earth.
Yeah, that I like that one.
And so you double click on thatand all of a sudden you start
having these amazingrevelations.
And insights about how you cancontribute to that reality and
you start talking about it topeople.
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Because in the end, all we needto do once AI takes all of our
jobs is just be humans, right?
We get to just be human.
We don't have to stare at thescreen anymore, right?
We don't have to be enslaved tothe dopamine hits.
We get that from hugs andconnection.
But we gotta get there.
We gotta do the work to getthere.
So you start sharing yourinsight, your revelation with
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people.
This is what I did when I builtmy AI company.
I had this idea and it wasconstantly hunting me like it
was there.
It was just, it was like itwanted to come through me, and I
just didn't have the capability.
And the AI had not caught upyet, but the moment it did,
which by the way, it has.
And it's waiting for you.
The moment it did, I just Iwould have the meeting.
(23:01):
You have a phone call, you havea Zoom call.
You record it, and then you turnthat into a presentation, a
proposal.
I almost do that on every call.
Just record it, send them asummary of the meeting with a,
as a proposal boom, make it ahabit.
It's like gold.
And so I, I downloaded myvision, my idea for the deal
machine, my AI product, and Iput it into a document, and then
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I started pitching it over andover again.
And I think I, after maybe likethe fifth or seventh time
presenting at someone, they saidyes.
To paying me on a monthlyretainer to build this thing for
their company.
Now, I didn't necessarily tellthem that I was building this
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with the intention of scaling itto the moon and bringing on
hundreds if not thousands of newclients, which we're still at
our first handful of clientsright now tuning the instrument.
But it's coming alive and soreally, it's like there's so
many solutions that need to becreated and you have a unique
perspective that no one elsehas.
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And so this is an opportunityfor you to really tune in and
not get overwhelmed by all theinnovation, but rather like tune
into what is that the universeis telling you it wants to
create through you and thenstart to observe and start, and
at the same time, relentlesslystudy ai.
Brooke (24:24):
Thank you so much, Jonathan.
I feel like Osirus wanted toredeem himself a little bit
there.
Oh
Osiris (24:29):
we're good on the redeeming.
Look I'm dark about ai, butthat's just me being protective
of myself.
But don't get it twisted.
You could create a lot of stuff.
I'm not here because.
I haven't done anything with aiI've literally redesigned my
whole life with it.
When I first got into what we'recalling AI now was like a, maybe
like a little five years ago ata AI startup, and it really
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didn't hit like I didn't reallyget into AI until I was in a jam
where I was in a lawsuit and Iused AI to be my lawyer because
the bills were just gettingcrazy and I won.
Just to outside of the doom andgloom, like you can literally do
anything you want, likeeverybody's right on this.
I'm a designer by trade, so youcan build websites, apps.
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I've already built probably likefive apps that are in the app
store in the last three years.
Wow.
So yeah, you can do anything.
Just, be mindful that's reallythe big thing for
Brooke (25:24):
me.
Thank you.
My next question, there's agrowing conversation around how
AI might be making uscognitively lazy, who in their
room feels like they're alreadyhaving a hard time writing their
own emails and thinking forthemselves because of ai.
Okay.
It's not just me.
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Great.
That maybe outsourcing too muchto machines could weaken our
critical thinking.
So with that in mind, because weare in power here, right?
We are the ones.
That are sovereign leaders.
How do we stay sharp, ask betterquestions, and use AI to expand
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our thinking rather than dullit?
Jonathan Barry (26:09):
Yeah, I think that I'm blown away witnessing
the next.
Gen the younger generation to mygeneration, our generation
mindlessly doom scrolling.
The I was on a flight thismorning from DC to Miami and I
was reflecting on when I was ayoung man flying on these
planes, and I was rememberingthat I didn't have a phone,
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neither did the person next tome.
And we didn't even necessarilyhave iPods or like the things,
that to distract us.
We were sitting next to eachother for a long time and you
can't read the little threefoldthing anymore.
Like you, you talk to people andyou engage.
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And it was like this fantasymemory of like meeting new
people on a flight and actuallyconnecting with them.
It was a thing and now it's not.
I don't know about you guys, butI think it's like completely
evaporated.
So we've really gotten cut offfrom each other and I do see the
cognitive decline of people's.
Capacity to be conscious.
I know for myself, to stay awakeis challenging.
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I dedicated my life to waking upand staying awake.
And yet my compulsive need tocheck my Instagram is like
ridiculous.
It's oh my God.
So I think that like we have tobe spending more time using AI
and less time looking atInstagram or X or whatever you
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watch.
It's so important to invest moretime into learning and
questioning your way ofperceiving reality.
Because my anxiety these days,my ai anxiety comes from when
there's the new ChatGPT five,and I'm like, oh no, it's even
faster now.
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And I'm like, what do I need torelearn?
How to think like I need tochange the way, like it's
probably already creating agentsand replacing my next job
without me.
It's hard to fathom how.
Fast.
It's growing.
And so it's an opportunity forus to expand our own capacity to
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think and to ask and questionreality.
Osiris (28:19):
Yeah.
I agree with everything you guysare saying, right?
It just makes me think of a, Iwas having this conversation
yesterday with without givingaway the company.
This person is the chief of techand data, and also they're also
the chief of hr.
And a lot of you make a goodpoints up here, right?
For me, the thing that I'mseeing is like in that company
(28:41):
specifically who I was talkingto yesterday, we were having
this very same conversation.
It's their goal is how do we notlose anyone?
In the transformation.
Wow.
Because they live in a veryspecific they live in Hawaii in
a very specific location where,you have a very specific number
(29:02):
of people on the island, so youonly have so many opportunities
for employment, for jobs, foreverything.
And we were talking about thisconcept of how do we get
everybody to think.
Like us.
And I feel like this is wherethe sovereignty comes in and the
consciousness, because you haveto understand like how deep in
the web you are to be able to doany of this stuff that we just
(29:26):
said.
You work in product.
Like I'm a designer so I usuallywork with you.
And that is our way of thinking.
That is our job, that is designthinking.
So if anything, I would suggestthat people really learn to
think critically.
Look up design thinking.
Look up user-centric thinking.
'cause that's everything thatwe're talking about here.
(29:47):
That's how you approach any ofthese problems the way we're
solving them.
The issue, I think for me withthat question is just, it's not
even about ai.
We're too far gone.
You're talking about screens,right?
This is programming andprogramming over time.
Like everything's a program andif everything's like a TV show,
there's a lot of people boughtinto a certain rhythm.
(30:08):
And for me every year I've justbeen looking and I'm just like,
we're getting closer.
We're getting closer.
And yeah.
So one movie I always have in myhead is, Wally, do you guys
remember Walle?
And that's my reflection to theworld.
Oh, Walle World, we're almostthere.
We just need the chairs with thescreen in front of us, right?
(30:29):
Because look at us now, we're alot of you walk down Wynwood, we
got all this art, all this coolstuff, all this stimuli
everywhere.
It opens up like a bigger issueof oh, how do we do this in ai?
It was like, well you're notdoing it anywhere else.
So it's and that, that's thetrouble, like how do we get
everybody on board with this Forme?
But everything everybody saidhere is a hundred percent like
(30:51):
this is how you have to think tosolve problems quicker.
Brooke (30:54):
Everybody has a different answer.
So speaking to what Osirus justshared, we all think about this
dystopia in this future and whocringes when they just thought
about we're all sitting inchairs just staring at screens,
like stuck to us.
But the fact that we are allturned off by this, could
potentially be our future, is asign for optimism.
(31:16):
Yeah.
Because the moment that we are.
Seeing that we're headed thatway and we're turned off from
it, we're going to do all thatwe can to make sure that's not
our future.
So really think of it as a signof optimism.
And I love that we talked a lotabout, how we can be co-creating
(31:37):
with ai.
And we talked about the thingsthat we're creating.
And the speakers here today,like they mentioned work for
some really big companies,fortune 500, fortune 100, and
maybe some of you can speak tothis better than others, but
this really goes to that ethicalquestion and what it means as we
(31:58):
are creators and innovators, wecarry real responsibility in
shaping how this tech unfolds.
And we're launching apps andwe're producing amazing work.
It's not just about what we canbuild, but it's about how we
build it and who it's serving.
(32:18):
And so when we're building andusing AI how do we work human
centered while we're navigatingthings like risk, there's
privacy concerns, there's datagovernance.
There's bias.
There's so much that goes intoit.
Of all of these ethicalquestions and concerns, and how
(32:40):
do we keep that at theforefront?
And how have you done this orhow have you been modeled by
your clients maybe that you'reworking for and how it's been
done in a way that is leadingthe space of this unchartered
territory that we're in?
Osiris (32:54):
Yeah, I like everything you're talking about.
'cause that is a challenge as acreator of these tools, at the
base platform level.
You guys have a challenge,right?
When you get into more contextoh, I'm gonna build it for this
department or this group, thenit changes a little.
'cause now you can add a layerof guidance, and I feel like
(33:16):
that's what we're missing in allof them because, but in the base
platforms, you don't, it's tooopen.
So it's like how do you guidesomebody based on where they're
at?
And that's one of the things asa designer, like in user centric
thinking that we're, we try toachieve is like, how do we
capture this person exactly inthe moment that they're thinking
and what they're thinking about?
(33:36):
And actually Google even hasthis thing called the zero
moment of truth Where do youcapture them in that moment
where it's like that's themoment that they can make a
decision on X?
I feel that challenge'cause Isee that in every product that
we create.
It's like, how do you not onlykeep it open, but prompt the
human to think without givingthem the answer either.
(33:56):
'cause that's another one.
Answers are cheap now.
How do I prompt you to like,think and I feel like there's
also a double-edged sword tothat because some people just
want the answer just get, that'swhy we use ChatGPT, right?
It's get me there faster.
I try to use it for more of thepractical stuff because I feel
all the idealism, I try to ownthat on my own because I don't
(34:18):
know, I also try not to put toomuch into there unless it's a
private model, but that'sanother story.
Those who know are laughing.
Jonathan Barry (34:26):
Yeah, so I think that it comes back again to this
idea of we are either a contentcreator or a content consumer,
right?
We're either consuming theinformation or we're creating,
and I think it's very importantto empower ourselves as creators
because we are a reflection ofthe universe.
(34:46):
The universe is creating lifethrough you, and it is prompting
reality through you.
I.
Swear, like I've beenquestioning reality so much as
AI awakens and becomes like thiswindow to the infinite for us
to, prompt.
And I'm always like talking tothe universe.
I'm like, Hey, I want this, andseeing what happens.
(35:07):
'cause it, it is very similar.
It is if you've heard of thissimulation theory, it's the
simulation seems very vividlately.
And so I think that there's anopportunity for us to empower
those around us.
If you are in this room, itmeans you're on the wave.
You know what's up?
You showed up.
You could just be sitting athome watching Netflix and like
(35:31):
zoning out.
But you chose to show up andlearn and to engage with other
humans and not just doom, scrollon TikTok and watch other people
prompting, but you are,contributing to a bigger
conversation and expanding yourconsciousness.
And that's.
A good thing, right?
We're doing that, we'reexpanding.
And so that's empowering for allof us.
And especially with all thescreen time.
(35:51):
But I think it's also importantfor us to hold our friends
accountable to waking up and tolike challenging our friends to
being like, Hey, I noticed likeyou're, not really connecting
with me lately.
Is everything okay?
Like we have to be the firstresponders to our friends whose
minds are being hijacked by thealgorithms.
Brooke (36:12):
Thank you so much for that.
And this will be my finalquestion.
Maybe you all can start to thinkabout what you wanna ask next,
and we can open it up to some qand a afterwards.
AI is often talked about termsof speed and scale exits, but it
also has the potential tosupport emotional, cultural,
(36:33):
coaching, a lot of people areusing this on this more broader
level.
So how can AI be used not justfor individual success, but for
collective healing andtransformation?
I personally, that's exactlywhat I first did when I started
using ChatGPT I gave it everysingle quiz I had ever taken,
(36:55):
and I immediately used it as abrain of someone who knows me
better than anyone.
Yeah.
And asked it to coach me throughleaving my job because I was
ready.
And now that we're in thisempowering state and we're using
AI and ChatGPT and Claude andGoogle Gemini and uploading it,
(37:16):
our personality traits andspeaking to it, how do I respond
back to this guy and tell, tellhim thanks, but no thanks in a
very polite way, this is wherewe're at.
So how are we using this as acollective tool of healing and
transformation?
I just shared a little bit aboutmy journey, but if anybody wants
to share how they're using it intheir own personal ways.
Osiris (37:38):
Yeah.
What you just said when thisfirst dropped, I was like, oh,
cool, what else can I do?
What else can I do?
Can I, let me check myastrology.
Is it gonna hit every day onwhere I'm at in the transits and
all the Yes.
The things, right?
Human design.
Let's try that thing.
Let's try Myers-Briggs, let'stry all these things.
But then, we're, we've beenspeaking about ethics and
governance, right?
(38:00):
The number one usage this yearhas been therapy, which is wild
because you all that therapy andit could be brought up in the
court of law.
So you gotta be careful withthis stuff, right?
Because yeah, it's fun, don'tget me wrong.
It's super fun to know thisabout you and not have to go pay
an astrologer, but that'sanother thing around like the
(38:21):
conscious co-creation, now we'retalking about like health
wellness.
And then we have this commercepiece, which is always
lingering, and that adds toeveryone's survival.
And we could only get away fromthat when we're not in survival
so there's a funny balancethere, but I think what I'm
learning now is go more localmeaning take these things off
(38:42):
the net, put this on yourcomputer if you want to have
these private conversations,start learning about
localization on your computer.
Even that you gotta be carefulwith but yeah, on the positive
side of things, just having theability to ask.
We've never been in a time whereyou can put your wish out in the
world.
And get a very simple, fastplan.
(39:04):
And I don't mean simple and fastin the cheap way.
You will get something, right?
Like you're going to get anoutput.
So if you want to use thisconsciously, take advantage of
that, if you want to get offphilosophical or astrological,
right?
We're in the age of Aquarius.
This is a very technologicaltime and if it's not clear yet,
we are at that point where it'sthe probably the only
(39:25):
opportunity you're ever gonnaget to make a decision as to
where this is gonna go.
Because coming up soon, you'regonna be missing that part.
That's gonna pass us by soreally take advantage of this
moment because there's no othertime in like history for this.
Yes.
That you can just do whateveryou want and create it.
Jonathan Barry (39:47):
Yeah.
I think that in a time likethis, we really get to choose
whether we're gonna be like themain character or an NPC.
You guys know what the an NPCis?
Yes.
N PC's non-player characterversus the main character
Alright.
Of the simulation.
You get to choose.
So you can live your life as ifyou were the superhero here to
(40:13):
save the day.
And there's a lot of problemsthat need to be solved.
Yeah.
Like the world really needs usto show up and so this is an
initiation for all of us toreally take our power back.
And it's waiting for you.
It's waiting to support you, andwe just have to have that own
transformation and let go ofwhatever it was that, held us
(40:36):
back from stepping into ourpower.
And so this is the beginning ofthe golden age.
This is the beginning of heavenon Earth.
It's gonna get dark becauseeveryone's gonna think that
they're losing their job, butthen all of a sudden they're
losing their job to their dream.
Or at least that's the realityI'm choosing to live in.
(40:58):
I'm not giving my power away tothe Netflix dark story.
I'm not giving my power away toa negative reality that everyone
says, oh, according tostatistics, everyone's job's
gonna be replaced and it's gonnabe chaos and economic
singularity, and like I'm justchoosing to create the reality
(41:19):
that I want to live in.
And but in order to do that, youhave to become the content
creator of that timeline, whichis scary because you don't know
what it is until you askyourself what is the prompt that
you want to see in the world?
You have to create the prompt.
(41:39):
And I'm not talking like alittle simple, like what is the
meaning of life prompt and usingdeep research.
I'm talking like, like deepdiscourse.
Deep discipline ofself-exploration and separating
yourself from the ego doing thisself-development work to be able
to actually sit in meditationand watch the monkey mind and
(42:02):
separate yourself from thecompulsive need to pick up your
phone and check it.
And so there's that inner workso that we can show up to do our
outer work.
And the technology has awakenedto support you in that
fulfillment.
Brooke (42:15):
I like that reframe.
Thank you all so much.
We're gonna open it up to Q anda now.
Alright.
We already have one question.
guest (42:23):
So, hi everyone.
So really appreciate you guyscoming out here and sharing this
with us.
Something that I did notice isthat ethics and balance has been
more so at the center of thisconversation.
But with accessibility also, inmy opinion, and more of a
doomsday sort of person comessurveillance.
Personally I deleted myInstagram.
I don't want meta to have myinformation we have yet to have
(42:46):
a government that privatizes oressentially has control of
everyone's IP and all of theirdata.
How can someone prepare?
How can one protect yourselffrom that?
Jonathan Barry (42:54):
I'm sure you know a lot about many of the
apps that are coming out thatare about like, protecting your
identity and you can removestuff from the internet and I
think that's gonna be anincreasingly important thing to
think about.
As all the deep fakes come outand your deep fake is calling
your grandma, asking her formoney.
God, it's gonna be wild, right?
(43:15):
I was just hanging out with theeighth employee of Cisco Systems
this past weekend, hanging outat Brock Pierce's house.
He's the co-founder of Tether inDC And these guys like mega
geniuses, these guys worktelling me about this new
programming language that'sgonna take over SQL or something
(43:37):
like that, where basically it'slike every line of data on the
internet in the future will beon chain and you'll be able to
see the history of that one lineon the internet and when it was
actually changed.
Wow.
And that could be images aswell.
And these guys are creating thisnew language.
So I think there's a future forthat.
I think that people will votewith their attention.
(43:58):
So if there's like a trustedplatform we'll all just go there
because it'll be better andsafer for all of us.
And then eventually all the fakestuff will just not get our
attention anymore.
'cause there's gonna be so muchgood content quality, proven
safe content that, in the futurewe'll know where to look and
know if it's real or not,hopefully.
Osiris (44:19):
Yeah.
I think to your originalquestion yeah.
The technology's not gonna helpyou.
That's not gonna be your friendin this.
If you want to be private, youneed to consciously be private.
You need to make every consciousdecision to erase what you can
Look, we could have all thesefun ideas to be honest, but
they're ideas and the realityis.
(44:41):
Ethics and governance is likeabout five to 10 years behind
the acceleration of which we aremoving with this technology.
So look, it's amazing.
Don't get me wrong.
It's fun.
I have a lot of fun with this.
It's with a lot of caution.
And if you want to play on thatsovereignty route, I have
multiple computers.
The computer I use my AI with isnot the computer where I do my
(45:03):
banking.
It's not the computer where I domy private ideas.
It's not the computer where Ishare my ideas with the world.
So, when I talk aboutsovereignty, it's a really
serious choice because.
Beyond if we're talking aboutconsciousness, we gotta be real
about go beyond the fun ideasand the optimism.
(45:23):
We gotta be realistic.
And sovereignty is a hard pathwhen you don't want to be seen
because it takes a lot more workto detangle what you've created
in this very technological worldso from a consciousness
perspective, you need to reallybe honest with yourself beyond
(45:44):
what could be awesome.
That's why outside of ai, yousee a wave of people are like,
oh, I want to get a farm.
I want to disconnect from theworld, right?
I do too.
I haven't unplugged yet because.
It's a lot of work.
Just, but to that question rightthere, like it takes a lot of
conscious peeling back and youcan't convenience your way into
(46:06):
privacy.
So consciousness.
Is your biggest like ally hereand then your willpower to
actually pull through with thatthing is gonna be the next step,
Marian (46:18):
we have another question
amy (46:20):
I feel like this kind of dovetails off the conversation
we were having around socialskills.
I'm curious what your takes areon the future of education with
ai.
I'm in a lot of theseconversations and with the
collective and we never talkabout it.
It's interesting because we,some of us, most of us maybe all
of us went to school, some of ushave natural social skills.
(46:42):
I'm in sales, I've got the giftof gab, I sell ai and I just
recently listened to a not aTed, a workshop, we'll just say
on the jobs that aren't going toexist pretty soon.
Yep.
Dev recruiting, like all thisstuff and it's okay, people went
to school for that and then it'snot gonna exist.
And then these young kids, it'sis college even gonna be a thing
(47:04):
for them?
Because we don't even know whatthe jobs are gonna be.
Is it gonna be mostly ai?
I just I'm so interested in thistopic and I want your take on it
because 20 years from now, likewhen my little nephew is going
to college, if he goes tocollege, I'm like, what is
education going even look like?
Because jobs are switching somuch now, you may not need to go
to school for product orwhatnot.
Brooke (47:24):
I actually wanna start with this first because Marian
and I had this exactconversation just yesterday as
we were preparing for this talk.
And as I was going through thisbook and just thinking of my
speaking points there's anamazing section in here where it
just talks about all of the waysthat we need to be mitigating
risk and bias and all the thingswe've spoken about today, and
(47:46):
just think about how that'sgonna shape our HR department.
Think how that's gonna shapejust the way that we work in the
world.
There's gonna be all of thesejobs, and to your point, it's
behind by 10 years, five years,right?
Those are all gonna be new jobs.
There's gonna be people incharge of risk management and
making sure that we're nothaving cultural bias in the
(48:08):
workforce or with our productsand apps that we're releasing.
So it's not about what are wegoing to learn?
It's shifting the roles intodifferent ways that we haven't
even seen come out yet.
And just like we no longer usethe calculator and absolutely
whatever ChatGPT can help youwith right now, you need to
learn something that's moreuseful and it's gonna be how we
(48:31):
are as society and a cultureintegrating and adapting, these
privacy concerns.
Everything that we've talkedabout today, this is our role
and our responsibility, andthese are gonna be our new jobs.
Osiris (48:45):
I will say HR is literally one of the, what is
it?
The hanging fruit.
Low hanging fruit.
So far I've rebuilt like we'vegutted HR in a few companies
already.
That was one of the first fewprojects I did was, Hey, let's
replace hr, recruiters.
(49:05):
Now I'm showing them how to dotheir job and survive and
building the AI for them tosurvive for whatever little time
they have.
You talk about education not toolong ago, I talked to a bunch of
university, like Ivy Leagueschools telling them, scaring
them out of what they're doing.
Because Yeah, when information'sfree, right?
(49:27):
So, school, I think we're gonnahave to rethink school, right
now I see we're putting allthese fun little programs to
catch you cheating on ai, whichis like, all right, kids are
gonna figure that out.
You got that one kid, he gotkicked out of Columbia because
he made that app cheat onanything.
(49:47):
And it's an awesome app.
But I think, catch a trade.
We need plumbers.
We need electricians, doctors.
I don't know what's up withdoctors.
That might be replaced toobecause I work with, you ever
heard of arthrex?
We work on surgical tools andsurgical robotics.
I just built an AR robot thathelps build more accuracy and
(50:10):
total arthroplasty, like whenyou get a shoulder
reconstruction.
So before we were able to have awindow of error where basically
you get reduced range of motionfrom five to eight.
And we brought it down with ar,ai and a bunch of other fun
techie words.
Brought it down to two to fourdegrees, meaning like that's a
(50:32):
huge improvement forpost-surgery.
Jonathan Barry (50:35):
Well, that's really cool you did that.
I might need one of those on myshoulder, but like when I'm like
80.
Okay.
So I actually wrote a bookcalled Hack Your Education,
pre-chat GBT, just for therecord.
And basically it is, I believeit is the solution.
And it's a mindset when you gointo school, I think we do need
(50:56):
school.
School is basically babysittersfor young adults.
It's where we go to do socialstuff.
We still need social stuff.
We gotta learn how to connectwith people and be friends.
We need that.
And we want to go to school andlearn.
We don't wanna just sit and lookat a computer screen and like
download like the matrix.
Like I know how to flyhelicopters and do kung fu.
It's like we want to engage andlearn through participation.
(51:19):
Yes.
So my book Hack Your Educationis about how I.
Had a near death experience, hadan awakening, asked myself
what's my purpose in my life,and then eventually what's
purpose in my education.
And then I started using myhomework assignments and
combining them from differentcourses.
And I wrote a business plan thatgot funding for a million dollar
(51:40):
recording studio when I was 21.
And that's how I manifested myfirst million dollar company
with my homework.
And I walked into a room, alecture hall filled with
students who were all doing thesame task, the same assignment.
And I was like, oh my God.
It was a neo in the matrixmoment where I'm like, I just, I
just hacked my education.
So that is the idea is go intoschool, like your teacher's job
(52:02):
is to assign you projects andtasks and your job is to do
them.
But what I teach students is tonegotiate with your professors
to modify your homeworkassignments so that they fit
your personal goals.
But if you don't have a goal,you are an education consumer,
not an education creator.
You're a content consumer,right?
(52:25):
And so it's a shift in mindsetto take the initiative to become
the prompt of what you want tolearn about what you want to
create about.
So that's my thesis.
Brooke (52:36):
I wanna piggyback on that because I just recalled
there's a school founded inTexas.
It's called Alpha School, andthey're actually expanding to
Florida.
They're in Palm Beach now.
They're coming to Miami.
They're actually doingorientations.
If anybody has children sign upand go to their orientation, and
they do just that.
They give them project based.
(52:56):
Learning.
And they really quickly learntheir studies.
And then they break out andactually do physical
interactions.
So they're building those reallife personal social skills that
are so needed, but they're ableto really quickly a bridge and
they don't hold them back byage.
A class.
If someone accelerates faster,they move up.
And so it's this new method oflearning Alpha school, if you
(53:19):
all wanna look into it.
It's expanding to Miami.
So again, bringing Great hope.
Marian (53:25):
We have a final question
guest 5 (53:27):
Um, so you've been talking about becoming your own
prompt and I think everyone'sbeen talking about like how they
bring value to the world.
I'm a new founder trying tobuild an idea, but it feels like
any minute, like my idea canbecome obsolete because maybe
like ChatGPT can do exactly whatI'm thinking about.
So what thoughts do you give tosomeone like me trying to take
(53:49):
that creator role, but feelinglike you're just drinking from a
fire hose and it's hard to makegood decisions, even like on a
week by week basis?
Marian (53:59):
I actually have an answer for this.
I wanna, I just wanna tune inbecause I'm also a founder
creating an AI wellness tech appand a lot of people have ideas.
But it's actually the executionthat matters because a lot of
ideas are always happening.
The difference between what wewould call successful versus not
is the execution.
(54:19):
And when you execute, it's justthe iteration of it.
Frank and I were having aconversation that because it's
so easy to create things now youcan vibe code, you can create
it.
The difference is not if you canbuild, it's are you able to
bring the community in toactually use it?
How will you have the traction?
I actually think that's moreimportant because the building
(54:40):
is the easy part, but how do youget people to buy in to using
your product, to really buildingthat community?
So I think really focusing onthat, don't focus on, oh,
someone's gonna have this idea.
They can't do it the way youcan.
No one can that's your genius,right?
We have so many products thatare a lot of the same things and
people also have differentpreferences, let's just say
(55:02):
meditation.
Some people want Calm, somepeople want Headspace.
Some people will do it on theirown.
Just find the type of peoplethat you truly wanna serve and
execute and iterate for them.
And that's like your North Star,not that other people will take
your ideas.
But like really feel ownershipand empowered that you can
easily build it now, and nowit's finding the people to
(55:24):
serve.
Osiris (55:25):
Oh, I agree with you a hundred percent.
The only thing I gotta add tothat is, the thing that I think
most people miss is, yeah.
That, that keeping going part,you need endurance, right?
You need the endurance to takethe nose, to take the failures.
You gotta stick to that oneidea, like when you work at a
company, you're working on thatone product the whole time.
(55:47):
You might be working on this oneproduct for two years, more
years, right?
You might be working on abutton, just the improvement of
a button.
It might take you two months tosolve.
What's wrong with that?
Like that button bringing insomeone in, and that sounds
tiny, right?
Like a button, but sometimesthat's the min the difference of
(56:07):
closing a hundred million or abillion with whatever workflow
you're doing.
So the ability to keep theendurance to, to stay working on
that one thing, no matter howmicro it is.
That's what product building islike.
That's like when you build aproduct, you gotta nurture that
product forever.
And I think as an entrepreneursometimes it's almost like being
(56:29):
an artist.
You're like, all right, Ifinished that one.
Let's do another one.
And that endurance to keep up onthat one thing and just
improving on all the littlemicro pieces of it to, that's
product design, that's that'swhat it takes.
It's endurance.
But yeah, the ability to executeis first.
Jonathan Barry (56:48):
I'd love to also tap in on that.
So, your first idea will bereplaced by ai and so will your
second one, and you willprobably replace that first one
with the second one.
It'll be you because you arejust like, you know about the
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context window of ai.
The context window is like, howdeep can the deep research go,
right?
How much memory does it have?
The more time that you spendbuilding, the deeper your
context window goes in your ownbrain.
And in your own vision.
And right when you get to theedge of what you didn't
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previously know, then you willstep away and you'll go for a
walk in the park and then you'llcome back and you'll have this
aha moment and you'll see thenext idea and then you're gonna
pursue that and go deeper.
And right when you're doing thatand you think there's a
technological blockage, all of asudden the evolution of
technology is gonna blow thatright pass.
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And you're just gonna be likewalking into the unfoldment of
everything happening at theright place at the right time.
And so you just have to bewilling to let go of fear of
failure and just start building.
Brooke (58:05):
I can't thank you guys enough for your amazing
questions.
There's awesome panel.
Marian (58:11):
Let's give it a round of applause for our amazing panel
and moderator.
Thank you so much Brooke, andthank you everyone for being
here, for being a part of theconversation.
And I think that's the beauty ofit, right?
Like we didn't have to reach anend goal destination.
This is just the conversationsthat we're opening up.
And hopefully you also take thisinto your communities, your
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circles, to really, like whatJonathan said earlier, this is
just part of the evolution.
And when we're thinkingconsciously about it and we
share about that with others,they also will think about it in
that way.
And I think it's great becauseit's all critical thinking
skills that will help us promptbetter and, create better.
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But also I think be betterhumans because the humans are
really what matters.
These are beautiful tools thatwe can use, but we still need
the humans behind it to craft itand mold it and as we go shape
it and build it.
So thank you so much everyone.
Brooke (59:06):
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Welcome back to How I AI.
I'm your host, Brooke Gramer.
Today I'm sharing somethingspecial, a panel recorded live
in Miami on August 7th at anevent I co-hosted and moderated
called Conscious Co-Creation andLeadership with AI.
This wasn't your typical techtalk.
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We opened with somatic breathingpractices led by my co-host,
Marian Bacol.
She also introduced her newproject, the Nervana app.
It's an AI powered tool fornervous system regulation and
guided healing.
She shared why this kind ofgrounding is so important in the
age of AI where there is so muchfear and led the audience
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through short breathingexercises that honestly helped
me right before I stepped onstage.
In this episode, you'll hearpanel highlights from Osiris
Santos, Jonathan Barry, andmyself.
Osirus was actually featured onepisode two of How I AI, so if
you haven't checked out hisepisode, scroll back and give it
a listen.
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And Jonathan Barry impressed mewith his vision for conscious
leadership and his work ineducation, which is a theme I'll
be diving into more on the showsoon.
Together we tackled the bigquestions.
What does it mean to scaleresponsibly with ai?
How do we prevent cognitivelaziness when answers are cheap?
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Where has AI given you fear,made you feel afraid, and what
role will education play whenschools like Alpha are
re-imagining learning entirely?
These are the conversations Ilove to curate, not just on this
podcast, but also like the liveevents and panels I design.
If you're interested inpartnering on thought provoking
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programming like this for yourcompany, your community or
conference, reach out to mebelow.
Quick note before we dive in.
The first couple minutes ofaudio, sound isn't great, but
don't worry, it settles in atabout the three minute mark.
Just so you know, I edit andproduce this show myself using
De Script.
I've been self-teaching podcastproduction this year, and I run
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Thank you as always for tuningin and being a part of this
journey with me.
Alright, let's dive into thisspecial highlight episode of How
I AI.
Marian (04:13):
Alright.
So conscious co-creation andleadership with ai.
How does this go together andhow this came about for me
because i've been on thepersonal development spiritual
journey I've adopted ai, and asI've thought about the
intersection of people using ai,you hear a lot of people talking
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about really fears becausetechnology is moving faster
right than ever before and ashuman beings.
Our bodies haven't really caughtup to that quite yet because
it's moving exponentially.
So we get dysregulated andconscious.
Really, the meaning of consciousis awareness, and we'll be
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talking about some of the fears,that people come up with when it
comes to ai.
We wanna have a really beautifulconversation on how it's really
the tool behind it.
So when we have more conscious,self-aware, regulated human
beings behind it, rightprompting, it really gives us an
opportunity to scale with ai,with so much more purpose,
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really focused on humanity andreally driving it forward.
So yeah.
Welcome.
Little bit about me.
I am the CEO and founder ofThriver Lifestyle.
I focus on nervous systemregulation somatic practices
healing, and I actually startedbuilding an AI wellness tech app
that makes nervous systemregulation, somatic healing, so
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much more accessible to peoplebecause we have so many things
coming at us, we're sodysregulated, so I wanted to do
a brief, practice, give you sometools on nervous system
regulation in the age of aibecause when you're regulated,
you can innovate a, a place ofpossibilities.
So when fears come out about ai,what are some things that people
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say?
I'd love to hear.
What are some it's gonna takeover?
Yeah.
What else?
You're gonna lose your job.
Yes.
What other things come up withpeople?
Like all these bots are gonnatake over all of these things.
And as I mentioned earlier.
Our technology is moving so muchfaster, but our bodies, our
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organic bodies are not.
So with all of these thingscoming at us, especially, I've
talked to experts in AI andthey're like, yeah, I'm also
dysregulated because it's movingso fast, right?
ChatGPT just announced, youknow, five, right?
And it's what is this likecompetition?
And so your body whew.
It freezes flights, oh, sorry.
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flight, freeze fight.
So here are a few things thatyou can do and these practices,
these tools.
Can help you in all aspects ofyour life.
Our entire world so focuses onthe mind.
But the key is actually in thebody, so when we are able to
move through these things, thesefears, these overwhelms from our
body, you can utilize ai, youcan utilize technologies to
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better your lives personally,professionally.
And I'm gonna do a littlepractice with you, so I invite
you to close your eyes.
All right?
Take a deep breath.
Ah.
Two more.
There's a few of you that hadreally shallow breath.
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Deep breath in and release itout.
Open mouth.
Sigh ha.
One last time.
Deep inhale in.
Ah, and when I ask thisquestion, I want you to just
notice where in your body you'refeeling something.
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Where has AI given you fear,made you feel, afraid, made you
feel overwhelmed?
Perhaps a thought of gettingreplaced or losing your job?
Perhaps it is taking over theworld and humanity's gone and
notice where it is in your body.
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And when you take a deep breath,and I want you to really push
this, exhale out, push thisenergy as if you're taking this
energy out from wherever youfeel it.
Let's say it's in your stomach.
Whew.
And you can actually take yourhands and like you're pushing it
away, pushing the energy away.
You are like, let it go.
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There's a lot of practices whereyou can shake off that fear.
You can shake off whatever it isbecause.
Fears are just circulating.
Energy is also in your head.
It could be a fear of arelationship ending, a fear of,
you know, death.
But when we keep it in and wecirculate it, then it stays in
our body, it collects in ourbody.
So when we actually move withthe intention of thinking of
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what that fear is and pushing itaway, we, can energetically, and
this is actually backed byneuroscience because a lot of
what we feel.
From our nervous system, ournerves get fed into our brain,
the things that we think aboutmost.
We create new neuro pathways inour head if we keep thinking
about it.
So we need to think differently.
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And now just think of yourworld.
It doesn't have to be theperfect world, but the world
where we are consciouslyco-creating with ai.
There's technologies that arehelping us clean the pollution
problem.
Technologies that are helpingwith hunger, with, all of these
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real life problems that humanityhas with the people behind it.
Just the fact that you're allhere means that you are thinking
about these things and you'reconcerned.
So hopefully those tools helpyou out.
So I want to welcome my amazingco-host, Brooke Gramer.
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We actually met because she wasa marketing director at Arlo,
and I used to do a lot of eventsat the Arlo Hotel in Wynwood,
and I just loved how shecommunicated.
She was sharp, she was on top ofit.
So she is now the host of How IAI and she interviews amazing
experts from all over the world.
(10:28):
She had just interviewed someonefrom Germany on how they're
using it actually for reallycool and innovative things.
And she also does a lot ofmarketing strategy with the use
of ai.
So I'm gonna welcome Brooke upto the stage.
Thank you so much, Brooke.
Thank you.
Brooke (10:43):
As my amazing co-host mentioned, my name is Brooke
Gramer.
I am the host of the How AIpodcast, where I interview
people weekly about theseamazing conversations and what
they're doing in AI and howthey're individually adapting
it.
I'm so honored to welcome ourincredible panelists today.
I'd like to introduce OsirisSantos.
(11:05):
He's a multidisciplinarystrategist, an AI transformation
leader known for blendingenterprise precision with
soulful purpose-driven design.
He's the creator of the Art ofBeing Useful, a human-centered
framework for thriving in anautomated world.
Welcome, Osiris.
Our next.
Panelists is Jonathan Barry.
(11:28):
He is a futurist and impactinvestor working at the
intersection of exponentialtech, human potential, and
planetary regeneration as thefounder of the Future House
Advisory.
And thank you so much for beinghere, Jonathan.
Welcome.
My pleasure.
So Marian did such a great jobopening the space and saying why
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we're all here and what ourfears might be when it comes
around ai.
I thought I would open up thespace reading an excerpt from a
book I'm reading actually, oneof my last conversations I had
speaking about women in tech.
I got to meet this woman namedNoelle Russell.
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You might have heard of her.
She just was the keynote speakerat Mindvalley's seminar that
they did about ai.
So she wrote a book calledScaling Responsible ai, and I
just wanna open this space withan excerpt from her book,
chapter 14, the Future of AILeadership Transforming
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Potential into Power.
The Future of ArtificialIntelligence is brimming with a
tremendous potential, yetfraught with sobering risks.
As AI continues, its meteoricrise reshaping industry after
industry, a new breed of leadersis needed to harness its world
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altering power ethically, westand at a pivotal crossroads
where the decisions made todaywill determine if AI propels
humanity upward through a newRenaissance, or plunges us
downward into a high techdystopia to navigate this
landscape, AI leaders must chartthe course ahead with vision,
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values, and an unwaveringcommitment to responsibility and
accountability.
Now is the time for bold ethicalleadership to transform AI's raw
potential into solutions thatserve the greater good.
The very future of ourcivilization hinges on leaders
who recognize that with thepower of AI comes a profound
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obligation to use it wisely.
I think that is a a beautifulway to open the space because we
have incredible leaders here Somy first question, going off of
what I just shared and thereason why we're all here today,
what does it really mean to useAI consciously and how do you
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personally define or embodythat?
Osirus.
If you could expand as much asyou would like to about what
you're doing now and AI and thenleading in to our first
question, which is, what does itreally mean to consciously use
ai?
Osiris (14:21):
All right, what am I doing now?
So with ai, I do a lot ofconsulting for enterprise
companies.
Like I work with a lot of bigbanks and financial institutions
like US Bank, Bank of America,JP Morgan, all the big banks.
And yeah, I'm in a funny spacewith a lot of them because we
do, we're going on the steps ofhow everything works in regular
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world.
So we start with ethics andgovernance, and then we get into
like where we can implementstuff.
But I think that's a funny spacebecause we're already too far
gone beyond the any governance.
You're never gonna catch up.
So I'm probably on the darkerside of these thoughts.
Yeah, I think as far asconsciousness it's an
interesting thing because.
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It's a cool tool.
Like you can move faster, youcan do cooler things.
You have the illusion of likeyour brain always being on and
going.
And consciousness, where doesthat come in?
So in a lot of my work outsideof just design and tech I do run
a men's group also, and one ofthe things that we stand for is
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sovereignty.
So as far as ai, I think it'sone of those.
It's a technology that'sallowing us to really dive
deeper into questioning, likewhere we stand on any of that.
Like I don't trust anythingabout AI at all.
Like I work at some pretty highlevels with it, but but yeah,
sovereignty is more important tome.
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So how we use it to be able tobe more sovereign and apply the
same thing that I do in lawtaxes for my business.
And I just try to make lifebetter that way.
Outside of that consciousness issomething that I'm still, i'm in
a case study of watching theworld and seeing how everybody's
using it.
'cause I feel like we're allgoing and very different
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directions.
There's a lot of like high hopesand big dreams.
But the reality of it is likethis is part of a commerce game.
And when you get into that gamethe human side kind of starts to
fade.
And as much as we want it and wedream for it, and we have all
these good aspirations, I alsothink that we've already gone
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far.
We're already moving way too farfor things to catch up.
So I'm enjoying the ride.
Let's see what happens.
Thank
Brooke (16:39):
you, Osiris.
Jonathan?
Jonathan Barry (16:42):
Yeah.
I would say we're definitelyapproaching the event horizon of
the great Awakening of theinfinite.
Intelligence and being able tointeract with the cosmos in ways
beyond our wildest imagination.
I know for me since the momentthat I started effing around and
finding out with ai I, from thevery beginning, I was like
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questioning the way that my mindwould think and the way that I
would prompt the AI becausereally only is limited by our
own capability to ask the rightquestion and to prompt the right
context.
And so I remember there was thismoment where I started realizing
like, well, what are thedifferent ways of thinking?
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What are, what's the differenttypes of logic?
And I went really deep.
If you were to go back into mychat at the very beginning, you
would see a lot about logic andthought, because I was like,
well, wait a second.
What am I not asking properly?
How can I ask better?
And so that was like my first,one of the first ahas the very
first aha was this almost likekundalini like awakening, where
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all of a sudden I felt trulylimitless.
I was no longer bound by thesmall language model of my own
brain.
And it was this relief, it wasthis somatic release of just
like finally I can give birth towhat is inside of me that wants
to come out and is bound bythese fingertips.
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So ever since then, my life hasjust been like exponentially
epic from a creative standpoint.
And so I've been helpingcompanies raise capital for the
last eight years.
I host events around the world.
I often say that my job is totrack the migratory patterns of
billionaires and throw reallygood parties there.
And lately, over the last sixmonths or so I decided that I
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was going to build an ai.
That would take my job beforesomebody else took, created an
AI that took my job.
So I was gonna be proactive andthen like a hundred x my
capability of doing my job.
So I have built my first AIproduct, first successful one.
My, my first one was pre-chat,GBT.
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I tried to launch an AI company,epic Fail.
But this one's actually working.
I found product market fit.
It's called the Deal Machine,and we're using generative AI to
help companies raise capital.
It's an investor relationsplatform.
So how, if you've ever, who herehas tried to raise money for an
idea or a startup, so you knowhow hard it is.
To follow up with all yourinvestor leads and try to keep
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them engaged and keep theminterested and educate them.
So that's what we've built as aplatform to do that.
Yeah, that's a little highlightabout me.
Brooke (19:27):
Thank you.
Some really key points here.
I'd love comparing AI as akundalini awakening.
I think I'm gonna use thatmoving forward.
And.
You made such a key point,Jonathan, about this fork in the
road of when chat GPT started,and now we're all finding
ourselves as accidentalentrepreneurs with this amazing
technology.
My next question there's a lotof fear around AI replacing
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human talent, but we're alsoseeing beautiful examples of how
it can unlock new levels ofcreativity and impact.
I know we have a lot ofcreatives in the room tonight.
In your own work or industry,where have you seen AI enhance
human potential rather thanreplace it?
Osiris (20:12):
All right.
So enhancement, almosteverywhere, right?
Like information is free.
So if you didn't know anything,like you can access it with the
right question.
The idea that it's the wholetaking your job thing and all
that it's only a matter of time,so I don't even wanna sugarcoat
it.
Yeah, it, we can, again it'sonly a better time.
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I feel like we're programmingour end but oh my gosh, you can
take advantage as much as youcan right now.
Like the conscious part is likeyou can go get a job.
Or you can create your own thingnow, like anything you want.
And I think right now to yourpoint on, on, on that crossroad
there it's everybody's gameright now to do that and, it's
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gonna lean one way or the other.
So the conscious part is howmany of us are gonna lean any
which way.
Like for me, I've been playingwith AI before it got popular
when we didn't call it that wehad machine learning and all
these other aspects of it.
And yeah, I think it's gonna getbetter.
I think it's just a up to you tomake the choice of like where
you're gonna go with it and howmuch you're really gonna own it.
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'cause that fear, that a lot ofpeople talk about, it's just a
lot of times it's just your ownfear of like the thing that
you're probably really good at,and you're just stopping
yourself from it.
So just don't let the fear takeover.
Brooke (21:33):
We're here to have a dynamic conversation.
Jonathan Barry (21:35):
You know, I'm a daily meditator, highly
meditated.
And one of the great benefits ofmeditation is actually gaining
insights and downloads.
Downloads, who's got downloads?
Yeah.
Yes.
And you have that aha moment,right?
And it's like you become onewith the universe.
You tap into the infinitetimelines, the infinite
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trajectories, and you're likeyeah, I'm gonna go for the one
where AI doesn't take over theworld and destroy humanity.
I'm gonna actually create heavenon earth.
Yeah, that I like that one.
And so you double click on thatand all of a sudden you start
having these amazingrevelations.
And insights about how you cancontribute to that reality and
you start talking about it topeople.
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Because in the end, all we needto do once AI takes all of our
jobs is just be humans, right?
We get to just be human.
We don't have to stare at thescreen anymore, right?
We don't have to be enslaved tothe dopamine hits.
We get that from hugs andconnection.
But we gotta get there.
We gotta do the work to getthere.
So you start sharing yourinsight, your revelation with
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people.
This is what I did when I builtmy AI company.
I had this idea and it wasconstantly hunting me like it
was there.
It was just, it was like itwanted to come through me, and I
just didn't have the capability.
And the AI had not caught upyet, but the moment it did,
which by the way, it has.
And it's waiting for you.
The moment it did, I just Iwould have the meeting.
(23:01):
You have a phone call, you havea Zoom call.
You record it, and then you turnthat into a presentation, a
proposal.
I almost do that on every call.
Just record it, send them asummary of the meeting with a,
as a proposal boom, make it ahabit.
It's like gold.
And so I, I downloaded myvision, my idea for the deal
machine, my AI product, and Iput it into a document, and then
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I started pitching it over andover again.
And I think I, after maybe likethe fifth or seventh time
presenting at someone, they saidyes.
To paying me on a monthlyretainer to build this thing for
their company.
Now, I didn't necessarily tellthem that I was building this
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with the intention of scaling itto the moon and bringing on
hundreds if not thousands of newclients, which we're still at
our first handful of clientsright now tuning the instrument.
But it's coming alive and soreally, it's like there's so
many solutions that need to becreated and you have a unique
perspective that no one elsehas.
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And so this is an opportunityfor you to really tune in and
not get overwhelmed by all theinnovation, but rather like tune
into what is that the universeis telling you it wants to
create through you and thenstart to observe and start, and
at the same time, relentlesslystudy ai.
Brooke (24:24):
Thank you so much, Jonathan.
I feel like Osirus wanted toredeem himself a little bit
there.
Oh
Osiris (24:29):
we're good on the redeeming.
Look I'm dark about ai, butthat's just me being protective
of myself.
But don't get it twisted.
You could create a lot of stuff.
I'm not here because.
I haven't done anything with aiI've literally redesigned my
whole life with it.
When I first got into what we'recalling AI now was like a, maybe
like a little five years ago ata AI startup, and it really
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didn't hit like I didn't reallyget into AI until I was in a jam
where I was in a lawsuit and Iused AI to be my lawyer because
the bills were just gettingcrazy and I won.
Just to outside of the doom andgloom, like you can literally do
anything you want, likeeverybody's right on this.
I'm a designer by trade, so youcan build websites, apps.
(25:12):
I've already built probably likefive apps that are in the app
store in the last three years.
Wow.
So yeah, you can do anything.
Just, be mindful that's reallythe big thing for
Brooke (25:24):
me.
Thank you.
My next question, there's agrowing conversation around how
AI might be making uscognitively lazy, who in their
room feels like they're alreadyhaving a hard time writing their
own emails and thinking forthemselves because of ai.
Okay.
It's not just me.
(25:44):
Great.
That maybe outsourcing too muchto machines could weaken our
critical thinking.
So with that in mind, because weare in power here, right?
We are the ones.
That are sovereign leaders.
How do we stay sharp, ask betterquestions, and use AI to expand
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our thinking rather than dullit?
Jonathan Barry (26:09):
Yeah, I think that I'm blown away witnessing
the next.
Gen the younger generation to mygeneration, our generation
mindlessly doom scrolling.
The I was on a flight thismorning from DC to Miami and I
was reflecting on when I was ayoung man flying on these
planes, and I was rememberingthat I didn't have a phone,
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neither did the person next tome.
And we didn't even necessarilyhave iPods or like the things,
that to distract us.
We were sitting next to eachother for a long time and you
can't read the little threefoldthing anymore.
Like you, you talk to people andyou engage.
(26:51):
And it was like this fantasymemory of like meeting new
people on a flight and actuallyconnecting with them.
It was a thing and now it's not.
I don't know about you guys, butI think it's like completely
evaporated.
So we've really gotten cut offfrom each other and I do see the
cognitive decline of people's.
Capacity to be conscious.
I know for myself, to stay awakeis challenging.
(27:15):
I dedicated my life to waking upand staying awake.
And yet my compulsive need tocheck my Instagram is like
ridiculous.
It's oh my God.
So I think that like we have tobe spending more time using AI
and less time looking atInstagram or X or whatever you
(27:35):
watch.
It's so important to invest moretime into learning and
questioning your way ofperceiving reality.
Because my anxiety these days,my ai anxiety comes from when
there's the new ChatGPT five,and I'm like, oh no, it's even
faster now.
(27:56):
And I'm like, what do I need torelearn?
How to think like I need tochange the way, like it's
probably already creating agentsand replacing my next job
without me.
It's hard to fathom how.
Fast.
It's growing.
And so it's an opportunity forus to expand our own capacity to
(28:16):
think and to ask and questionreality.
Osiris (28:19):
Yeah.
I agree with everything you guysare saying, right?
It just makes me think of a, Iwas having this conversation
yesterday with without givingaway the company.
This person is the chief of techand data, and also they're also
the chief of hr.
And a lot of you make a goodpoints up here, right?
For me, the thing that I'mseeing is like in that company
(28:41):
specifically who I was talkingto yesterday, we were having
this very same conversation.
It's their goal is how do we notlose anyone?
In the transformation.
Wow.
Because they live in a veryspecific they live in Hawaii in
a very specific location where,you have a very specific number
(29:02):
of people on the island, so youonly have so many opportunities
for employment, for jobs, foreverything.
And we were talking about thisconcept of how do we get
everybody to think.
Like us.
And I feel like this is wherethe sovereignty comes in and the
consciousness, because you haveto understand like how deep in
the web you are to be able to doany of this stuff that we just
(29:26):
said.
You work in product.
Like I'm a designer so I usuallywork with you.
And that is our way of thinking.
That is our job, that is designthinking.
So if anything, I would suggestthat people really learn to
think critically.
Look up design thinking.
Look up user-centric thinking.
'cause that's everything thatwe're talking about here.
(29:47):
That's how you approach any ofthese problems the way we're
solving them.
The issue, I think for me withthat question is just, it's not
even about ai.
We're too far gone.
You're talking about screens,right?
This is programming andprogramming over time.
Like everything's a program andif everything's like a TV show,
there's a lot of people boughtinto a certain rhythm.
(30:08):
And for me every year I've justbeen looking and I'm just like,
we're getting closer.
We're getting closer.
And yeah.
So one movie I always have in myhead is, Wally, do you guys
remember Walle?
And that's my reflection to theworld.
Oh, Walle World, we're almostthere.
We just need the chairs with thescreen in front of us, right?
(30:29):
Because look at us now, we're alot of you walk down Wynwood, we
got all this art, all this coolstuff, all this stimuli
everywhere.
It opens up like a bigger issueof oh, how do we do this in ai?
It was like, well you're notdoing it anywhere else.
So it's and that, that's thetrouble, like how do we get
everybody on board with this Forme?
But everything everybody saidhere is a hundred percent like
(30:51):
this is how you have to think tosolve problems quicker.
Brooke (30:54):
Everybody has a different answer.
So speaking to what Osirus justshared, we all think about this
dystopia in this future and whocringes when they just thought
about we're all sitting inchairs just staring at screens,
like stuck to us.
But the fact that we are allturned off by this, could
potentially be our future, is asign for optimism.
(31:16):
Yeah.
Because the moment that we are.
Seeing that we're headed thatway and we're turned off from
it, we're going to do all thatwe can to make sure that's not
our future.
So really think of it as a signof optimism.
And I love that we talked a lotabout, how we can be co-creating
(31:37):
with ai.
And we talked about the thingsthat we're creating.
And the speakers here today,like they mentioned work for
some really big companies,fortune 500, fortune 100, and
maybe some of you can speak tothis better than others, but
this really goes to that ethicalquestion and what it means as we
(31:58):
are creators and innovators, wecarry real responsibility in
shaping how this tech unfolds.
And we're launching apps andwe're producing amazing work.
It's not just about what we canbuild, but it's about how we
build it and who it's serving.
(32:18):
And so when we're building andusing AI how do we work human
centered while we're navigatingthings like risk, there's
privacy concerns, there's datagovernance.
There's bias.
There's so much that goes intoit.
Of all of these ethicalquestions and concerns, and how
(32:40):
do we keep that at theforefront?
And how have you done this orhow have you been modeled by
your clients maybe that you'reworking for and how it's been
done in a way that is leadingthe space of this unchartered
territory that we're in?
Osiris (32:54):
Yeah, I like everything you're talking about.
'cause that is a challenge as acreator of these tools, at the
base platform level.
You guys have a challenge,right?
When you get into more contextoh, I'm gonna build it for this
department or this group, thenit changes a little.
'cause now you can add a layerof guidance, and I feel like
(33:16):
that's what we're missing in allof them because, but in the base
platforms, you don't, it's tooopen.
So it's like how do you guidesomebody based on where they're
at?
And that's one of the things asa designer, like in user centric
thinking that we're, we try toachieve is like, how do we
capture this person exactly inthe moment that they're thinking
and what they're thinking about?
(33:36):
And actually Google even hasthis thing called the zero
moment of truth Where do youcapture them in that moment
where it's like that's themoment that they can make a
decision on X?
I feel that challenge'cause Isee that in every product that
we create.
It's like, how do you not onlykeep it open, but prompt the
human to think without givingthem the answer either.
(33:56):
'cause that's another one.
Answers are cheap now.
How do I prompt you to like,think and I feel like there's
also a double-edged sword tothat because some people just
want the answer just get, that'swhy we use ChatGPT, right?
It's get me there faster.
I try to use it for more of thepractical stuff because I feel
all the idealism, I try to ownthat on my own because I don't
(34:18):
know, I also try not to put toomuch into there unless it's a
private model, but that'sanother story.
Those who know are laughing.
Jonathan Barry (34:26):
Yeah, so I think that it comes back again to this
idea of we are either a contentcreator or a content consumer,
right?
We're either consuming theinformation or we're creating,
and I think it's very importantto empower ourselves as creators
because we are a reflection ofthe universe.
(34:46):
The universe is creating lifethrough you, and it is prompting
reality through you.
I.
Swear, like I've beenquestioning reality so much as
AI awakens and becomes like thiswindow to the infinite for us
to, prompt.
And I'm always like talking tothe universe.
I'm like, Hey, I want this, andseeing what happens.
(35:07):
'cause it, it is very similar.
It is if you've heard of thissimulation theory, it's the
simulation seems very vividlately.
And so I think that there's anopportunity for us to empower
those around us.
If you are in this room, itmeans you're on the wave.
You know what's up?
You showed up.
You could just be sitting athome watching Netflix and like
(35:31):
zoning out.
But you chose to show up andlearn and to engage with other
humans and not just doom, scrollon TikTok and watch other people
prompting, but you are,contributing to a bigger
conversation and expanding yourconsciousness.
And that's.
A good thing, right?
We're doing that, we'reexpanding.
And so that's empowering for allof us.
And especially with all thescreen time.
(35:51):
But I think it's also importantfor us to hold our friends
accountable to waking up and tolike challenging our friends to
being like, Hey, I noticed likeyou're, not really connecting
with me lately.
Is everything okay?
Like we have to be the firstresponders to our friends whose
minds are being hijacked by thealgorithms.
Brooke (36:12):
Thank you so much for that.
And this will be my finalquestion.
Maybe you all can start to thinkabout what you wanna ask next,
and we can open it up to some qand a afterwards.
AI is often talked about termsof speed and scale exits, but it
also has the potential tosupport emotional, cultural,
(36:33):
coaching, a lot of people areusing this on this more broader
level.
So how can AI be used not justfor individual success, but for
collective healing andtransformation?
I personally, that's exactlywhat I first did when I started
using ChatGPT I gave it everysingle quiz I had ever taken,
(36:55):
and I immediately used it as abrain of someone who knows me
better than anyone.
Yeah.
And asked it to coach me throughleaving my job because I was
ready.
And now that we're in thisempowering state and we're using
AI and ChatGPT and Claude andGoogle Gemini and uploading it,
(37:16):
our personality traits andspeaking to it, how do I respond
back to this guy and tell, tellhim thanks, but no thanks in a
very polite way, this is wherewe're at.
So how are we using this as acollective tool of healing and
transformation?
I just shared a little bit aboutmy journey, but if anybody wants
to share how they're using it intheir own personal ways.
Osiris (37:38):
Yeah.
What you just said when thisfirst dropped, I was like, oh,
cool, what else can I do?
What else can I do?
Can I, let me check myastrology.
Is it gonna hit every day onwhere I'm at in the transits and
all the Yes.
The things, right?
Human design.
Let's try that thing.
Let's try Myers-Briggs, let'stry all these things.
But then, we're, we've beenspeaking about ethics and
governance, right?
(38:00):
The number one usage this yearhas been therapy, which is wild
because you all that therapy andit could be brought up in the
court of law.
So you gotta be careful withthis stuff, right?
Because yeah, it's fun, don'tget me wrong.
It's super fun to know thisabout you and not have to go pay
an astrologer, but that'sanother thing around like the
(38:21):
conscious co-creation, now we'retalking about like health
wellness.
And then we have this commercepiece, which is always
lingering, and that adds toeveryone's survival.
And we could only get away fromthat when we're not in survival
so there's a funny balancethere, but I think what I'm
learning now is go more localmeaning take these things off
(38:42):
the net, put this on yourcomputer if you want to have
these private conversations,start learning about
localization on your computer.
Even that you gotta be carefulwith but yeah, on the positive
side of things, just having theability to ask.
We've never been in a time whereyou can put your wish out in the
world.
And get a very simple, fastplan.
(39:04):
And I don't mean simple and fastin the cheap way.
You will get something, right?
Like you're going to get anoutput.
So if you want to use thisconsciously, take advantage of
that, if you want to get offphilosophical or astrological,
right?
We're in the age of Aquarius.
This is a very technologicaltime and if it's not clear yet,
we are at that point where it'sthe probably the only
(39:25):
opportunity you're ever gonnaget to make a decision as to
where this is gonna go.
Because coming up soon, you'regonna be missing that part.
That's gonna pass us by soreally take advantage of this
moment because there's no othertime in like history for this.
Yes.
That you can just do whateveryou want and create it.
Jonathan Barry (39:47):
Yeah.
I think that in a time likethis, we really get to choose
whether we're gonna be like themain character or an NPC.
You guys know what the an NPCis?
Yes.
N PC's non-player characterversus the main character
Alright.
Of the simulation.
You get to choose.
So you can live your life as ifyou were the superhero here to
(40:13):
save the day.
And there's a lot of problemsthat need to be solved.
Yeah.
Like the world really needs usto show up and so this is an
initiation for all of us toreally take our power back.
And it's waiting for you.
It's waiting to support you, andwe just have to have that own
transformation and let go ofwhatever it was that, held us
(40:36):
back from stepping into ourpower.
And so this is the beginning ofthe golden age.
This is the beginning of heavenon Earth.
It's gonna get dark becauseeveryone's gonna think that
they're losing their job, butthen all of a sudden they're
losing their job to their dream.
Or at least that's the realityI'm choosing to live in.
(40:58):
I'm not giving my power away tothe Netflix dark story.
I'm not giving my power away toa negative reality that everyone
says, oh, according tostatistics, everyone's job's
gonna be replaced and it's gonnabe chaos and economic
singularity, and like I'm justchoosing to create the reality
(41:19):
that I want to live in.
And but in order to do that, youhave to become the content
creator of that timeline, whichis scary because you don't know
what it is until you askyourself what is the prompt that
you want to see in the world?
You have to create the prompt.
(41:39):
And I'm not talking like alittle simple, like what is the
meaning of life prompt and usingdeep research.
I'm talking like, like deepdiscourse.
Deep discipline ofself-exploration and separating
yourself from the ego doing thisself-development work to be able
to actually sit in meditationand watch the monkey mind and
(42:02):
separate yourself from thecompulsive need to pick up your
phone and check it.
And so there's that inner workso that we can show up to do our
outer work.
And the technology has awakenedto support you in that
fulfillment.
Brooke (42:15):
I like that reframe.
Thank you all so much.
We're gonna open it up to Q anda now.
Alright.
We already have one question.
guest (42:23):
So, hi everyone.
So really appreciate you guyscoming out here and sharing this
with us.
Something that I did notice isthat ethics and balance has been
more so at the center of thisconversation.
But with accessibility also, inmy opinion, and more of a
doomsday sort of person comessurveillance.
Personally I deleted myInstagram.
I don't want meta to have myinformation we have yet to have
(42:46):
a government that privatizes oressentially has control of
everyone's IP and all of theirdata.
How can someone prepare?
How can one protect yourselffrom that?
Jonathan Barry (42:54):
I'm sure you know a lot about many of the
apps that are coming out thatare about like, protecting your
identity and you can removestuff from the internet and I
think that's gonna be anincreasingly important thing to
think about.
As all the deep fakes come outand your deep fake is calling
your grandma, asking her formoney.
God, it's gonna be wild, right?
(43:15):
I was just hanging out with theeighth employee of Cisco Systems
this past weekend, hanging outat Brock Pierce's house.
He's the co-founder of Tether inDC And these guys like mega
geniuses, these guys worktelling me about this new
programming language that'sgonna take over SQL or something
(43:37):
like that, where basically it'slike every line of data on the
internet in the future will beon chain and you'll be able to
see the history of that one lineon the internet and when it was
actually changed.
Wow.
And that could be images aswell.
And these guys are creating thisnew language.
So I think there's a future forthat.
I think that people will votewith their attention.
(43:58):
So if there's like a trustedplatform we'll all just go there
because it'll be better andsafer for all of us.
And then eventually all the fakestuff will just not get our
attention anymore.
'cause there's gonna be so muchgood content quality, proven
safe content that, in the futurewe'll know where to look and
know if it's real or not,hopefully.
Osiris (44:19):
Yeah.
I think to your originalquestion yeah.
The technology's not gonna helpyou.
That's not gonna be your friendin this.
If you want to be private, youneed to consciously be private.
You need to make every consciousdecision to erase what you can
Look, we could have all thesefun ideas to be honest, but
they're ideas and the realityis.
(44:41):
Ethics and governance is likeabout five to 10 years behind
the acceleration of which we aremoving with this technology.
So look, it's amazing.
Don't get me wrong.
It's fun.
I have a lot of fun with this.
It's with a lot of caution.
And if you want to play on thatsovereignty route, I have
multiple computers.
The computer I use my AI with isnot the computer where I do my
(45:03):
banking.
It's not the computer where I domy private ideas.
It's not the computer where Ishare my ideas with the world.
So, when I talk aboutsovereignty, it's a really
serious choice because.
Beyond if we're talking aboutconsciousness, we gotta be real
about go beyond the fun ideasand the optimism.
(45:23):
We gotta be realistic.
And sovereignty is a hard pathwhen you don't want to be seen
because it takes a lot more workto detangle what you've created
in this very technological worldso from a consciousness
perspective, you need to reallybe honest with yourself beyond
(45:44):
what could be awesome.
That's why outside of ai, yousee a wave of people are like,
oh, I want to get a farm.
I want to disconnect from theworld, right?
I do too.
I haven't unplugged yet because.
It's a lot of work.
Just, but to that question rightthere, like it takes a lot of
conscious peeling back and youcan't convenience your way into
(46:06):
privacy.
So consciousness.
Is your biggest like ally hereand then your willpower to
actually pull through with thatthing is gonna be the next step,
Marian (46:18):
we have another question
amy (46:20):
I feel like this kind of dovetails off the conversation
we were having around socialskills.
I'm curious what your takes areon the future of education with
ai.
I'm in a lot of theseconversations and with the
collective and we never talkabout it.
It's interesting because we,some of us, most of us maybe all
of us went to school, some of ushave natural social skills.
(46:42):
I'm in sales, I've got the giftof gab, I sell ai and I just
recently listened to a not aTed, a workshop, we'll just say
on the jobs that aren't going toexist pretty soon.
Yep.
Dev recruiting, like all thisstuff and it's okay, people went
to school for that and then it'snot gonna exist.
And then these young kids, it'sis college even gonna be a thing
(47:04):
for them?
Because we don't even know whatthe jobs are gonna be.
Is it gonna be mostly ai?
I just I'm so interested in thistopic and I want your take on it
because 20 years from now, likewhen my little nephew is going
to college, if he goes tocollege, I'm like, what is
education going even look like?
Because jobs are switching somuch now, you may not need to go
to school for product orwhatnot.
Brooke (47:24):
I actually wanna start with this first because Marian
and I had this exactconversation just yesterday as
we were preparing for this talk.
And as I was going through thisbook and just thinking of my
speaking points there's anamazing section in here where it
just talks about all of the waysthat we need to be mitigating
risk and bias and all the thingswe've spoken about today, and
(47:46):
just think about how that'sgonna shape our HR department.
Think how that's gonna shapejust the way that we work in the
world.
There's gonna be all of thesejobs, and to your point, it's
behind by 10 years, five years,right?
Those are all gonna be new jobs.
There's gonna be people incharge of risk management and
making sure that we're nothaving cultural bias in the
(48:08):
workforce or with our productsand apps that we're releasing.
So it's not about what are wegoing to learn?
It's shifting the roles intodifferent ways that we haven't
even seen come out yet.
And just like we no longer usethe calculator and absolutely
whatever ChatGPT can help youwith right now, you need to
learn something that's moreuseful and it's gonna be how we
(48:31):
are as society and a cultureintegrating and adapting, these
privacy concerns.
Everything that we've talkedabout today, this is our role
and our responsibility, andthese are gonna be our new jobs.
Osiris (48:45):
I will say HR is literally one of the, what is
it?
The hanging fruit.
Low hanging fruit.
So far I've rebuilt like we'vegutted HR in a few companies
already.
That was one of the first fewprojects I did was, Hey, let's
replace hr, recruiters.
(49:05):
Now I'm showing them how to dotheir job and survive and
building the AI for them tosurvive for whatever little time
they have.
You talk about education not toolong ago, I talked to a bunch of
university, like Ivy Leagueschools telling them, scaring
them out of what they're doing.
Because Yeah, when information'sfree, right?
(49:27):
So, school, I think we're gonnahave to rethink school, right
now I see we're putting allthese fun little programs to
catch you cheating on ai, whichis like, all right, kids are
gonna figure that out.
You got that one kid, he gotkicked out of Columbia because
he made that app cheat onanything.
(49:47):
And it's an awesome app.
But I think, catch a trade.
We need plumbers.
We need electricians, doctors.
I don't know what's up withdoctors.
That might be replaced toobecause I work with, you ever
heard of arthrex?
We work on surgical tools andsurgical robotics.
I just built an AR robot thathelps build more accuracy and
(50:10):
total arthroplasty, like whenyou get a shoulder
reconstruction.
So before we were able to have awindow of error where basically
you get reduced range of motionfrom five to eight.
And we brought it down with ar,ai and a bunch of other fun
techie words.
Brought it down to two to fourdegrees, meaning like that's a
(50:32):
huge improvement forpost-surgery.
Jonathan Barry (50:35):
Well, that's really cool you did that.
I might need one of those on myshoulder, but like when I'm like
80.
Okay.
So I actually wrote a bookcalled Hack Your Education,
pre-chat GBT, just for therecord.
And basically it is, I believeit is the solution.
And it's a mindset when you gointo school, I think we do need
(50:56):
school.
School is basically babysittersfor young adults.
It's where we go to do socialstuff.
We still need social stuff.
We gotta learn how to connectwith people and be friends.
We need that.
And we want to go to school andlearn.
We don't wanna just sit and lookat a computer screen and like
download like the matrix.
Like I know how to flyhelicopters and do kung fu.
It's like we want to engage andlearn through participation.
(51:19):
Yes.
So my book Hack Your Educationis about how I.
Had a near death experience, hadan awakening, asked myself
what's my purpose in my life,and then eventually what's
purpose in my education.
And then I started using myhomework assignments and
combining them from differentcourses.
And I wrote a business plan thatgot funding for a million dollar
(51:40):
recording studio when I was 21.
And that's how I manifested myfirst million dollar company
with my homework.
And I walked into a room, alecture hall filled with
students who were all doing thesame task, the same assignment.
And I was like, oh my God.
It was a neo in the matrixmoment where I'm like, I just, I
just hacked my education.
So that is the idea is go intoschool, like your teacher's job
(52:02):
is to assign you projects andtasks and your job is to do
them.
But what I teach students is tonegotiate with your professors
to modify your homeworkassignments so that they fit
your personal goals.
But if you don't have a goal,you are an education consumer,
not an education creator.
You're a content consumer,right?
(52:25):
And so it's a shift in mindsetto take the initiative to become
the prompt of what you want tolearn about what you want to
create about.
So that's my thesis.
Brooke (52:36):
I wanna piggyback on that because I just recalled
there's a school founded inTexas.
It's called Alpha School, andthey're actually expanding to
Florida.
They're in Palm Beach now.
They're coming to Miami.
They're actually doingorientations.
If anybody has children sign upand go to their orientation, and
they do just that.
They give them project based.
(52:56):
Learning.
And they really quickly learntheir studies.
And then they break out andactually do physical
interactions.
So they're building those reallife personal social skills that
are so needed, but they're ableto really quickly a bridge and
they don't hold them back byage.
A class.
If someone accelerates faster,they move up.
And so it's this new method oflearning Alpha school, if you
(53:19):
all wanna look into it.
It's expanding to Miami.
So again, bringing Great hope.
Marian (53:25):
We have a final question
guest 5 (53:27):
Um, so you've been talking about becoming your own
prompt and I think everyone'sbeen talking about like how they
bring value to the world.
I'm a new founder trying tobuild an idea, but it feels like
any minute, like my idea canbecome obsolete because maybe
like ChatGPT can do exactly whatI'm thinking about.
So what thoughts do you give tosomeone like me trying to take
(53:49):
that creator role, but feelinglike you're just drinking from a
fire hose and it's hard to makegood decisions, even like on a
week by week basis?
Marian (53:59):
I actually have an answer for this.
I wanna, I just wanna tune inbecause I'm also a founder
creating an AI wellness tech appand a lot of people have ideas.
But it's actually the executionthat matters because a lot of
ideas are always happening.
The difference between what wewould call successful versus not
is the execution.
(54:19):
And when you execute, it's justthe iteration of it.
Frank and I were having aconversation that because it's
so easy to create things now youcan vibe code, you can create
it.
The difference is not if you canbuild, it's are you able to
bring the community in toactually use it?
How will you have the traction?
I actually think that's moreimportant because the building
(54:40):
is the easy part, but how do youget people to buy in to using
your product, to really buildingthat community?
So I think really focusing onthat, don't focus on, oh,
someone's gonna have this idea.
They can't do it the way youcan.
No one can that's your genius,right?
We have so many products thatare a lot of the same things and
people also have differentpreferences, let's just say
(55:02):
meditation.
Some people want Calm, somepeople want Headspace.
Some people will do it on theirown.
Just find the type of peoplethat you truly wanna serve and
execute and iterate for them.
And that's like your North Star,not that other people will take
your ideas.
But like really feel ownershipand empowered that you can
easily build it now, and nowit's finding the people to
(55:24):
serve.
Osiris (55:25):
Oh, I agree with you a hundred percent.
The only thing I gotta add tothat is, the thing that I think
most people miss is, yeah.
That, that keeping going part,you need endurance, right?
You need the endurance to takethe nose, to take the failures.
You gotta stick to that oneidea, like when you work at a
company, you're working on thatone product the whole time.
(55:47):
You might be working on this oneproduct for two years, more
years, right?
You might be working on abutton, just the improvement of
a button.
It might take you two months tosolve.
What's wrong with that?
Like that button bringing insomeone in, and that sounds
tiny, right?
Like a button, but sometimesthat's the min the difference of
(56:07):
closing a hundred million or abillion with whatever workflow
you're doing.
So the ability to keep theendurance to, to stay working on
that one thing, no matter howmicro it is.
That's what product building islike.
That's like when you build aproduct, you gotta nurture that
product forever.
And I think as an entrepreneursometimes it's almost like being
(56:29):
an artist.
You're like, all right, Ifinished that one.
Let's do another one.
And that endurance to keep up onthat one thing and just
improving on all the littlemicro pieces of it to, that's
product design, that's that'swhat it takes.
It's endurance.
But yeah, the ability to executeis first.
Jonathan Barry (56:48):
I'd love to also tap in on that.
So, your first idea will bereplaced by ai and so will your
second one, and you willprobably replace that first one
with the second one.
It'll be you because you arejust like, you know about the
(57:09):
context window of ai.
The context window is like, howdeep can the deep research go,
right?
How much memory does it have?
The more time that you spendbuilding, the deeper your
context window goes in your ownbrain.
And in your own vision.
And right when you get to theedge of what you didn't
(57:30):
previously know, then you willstep away and you'll go for a
walk in the park and then you'llcome back and you'll have this
aha moment and you'll see thenext idea and then you're gonna
pursue that and go deeper.
And right when you're doing thatand you think there's a
technological blockage, all of asudden the evolution of
technology is gonna blow thatright pass.
(57:51):
And you're just gonna be likewalking into the unfoldment of
everything happening at theright place at the right time.
And so you just have to bewilling to let go of fear of
failure and just start building.
Brooke (58:05):
I can't thank you guys enough for your amazing
questions.
There's awesome panel.
Marian (58:11):
Let's give it a round of applause for our amazing panel
and moderator.
Thank you so much Brooke, andthank you everyone for being
here, for being a part of theconversation.
And I think that's the beauty ofit, right?
Like we didn't have to reach anend goal destination.
This is just the conversationsthat we're opening up.
And hopefully you also take thisinto your communities, your
(58:32):
circles, to really, like whatJonathan said earlier, this is
just part of the evolution.
And when we're thinkingconsciously about it and we
share about that with others,they also will think about it in
that way.
And I think it's great becauseit's all critical thinking
skills that will help us promptbetter and, create better.
(58:52):
But also I think be betterhumans because the humans are
really what matters.
These are beautiful tools thatwe can use, but we still need
the humans behind it to craft itand mold it and as we go shape
it and build it.
So thank you so much everyone.
Brooke (59:06):
Wow I hope today's episode opened your mind to
what's possible with AI.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
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