June 12, 2025 • 41 mins
In this episode of "How I AI," I sit down in Bali with Umer Hadeed - Innovation Architect, Serial Entrepreneur, and co-founder of The Collective AI. But rather than a tech-heavy breakdown, this conversation goes deeper. We explore the mindset shift required to adapt in the age of AI, how history mirrors today’s digital revolution, and what it means to raise families during this unprecedented time of change.
Whether you’re a founder, a freelancer, or a parent navigating what to teach the next generation, Umer offers a grounded, big-picture perspective. We unpack the emotional friction many feel, why tech stacks are constantly evolving, and how automation is redefining the value of human work. If you’ve been craving a thoughtful, human-centered take on this AI wave, this episode is for you.
What We Cover:
- How Umer entered the AI space after years in engineering, e-comm, blockchain, and creative tech
- The role of community and connection in accelerating AI adoption
- Why AI isn’t eliminating jobs - it’s displacing them, and what that means for your next move
- Raising kids in an AI-first world: mindset, responsibility, and opportunity
- How to future-proof yourself in a world of constant change
Tech + Tools Mentioned:
ChatGPT – for text generation and automation
Claude – for deeper, nuanced LLM queries
11 Labs – for advanced AI voice and audio generation
DeepSeek – for research and deep summarization
Make.com – for low-code automations across platforms
n8n – open-source workflow automation
Zapier – no-code tool for connecting apps and automating tasks
Connect with Umer:
Join Umer inside The Collective’s private Skool community. You’ll get biweekly live sessions, the 7-Day AI Mastery Challenge, Jonathan’s planning system, and access to tools, trainings, and templates.. all for $47/month. Cancel anytime.
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Brooke (00:02):
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Today's episode with Umer Hadeedbrought me to a deeper level of
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understanding the mindset shiftwe all need to take around
artificial intelligence.
He shared about his personalbackground and entry into the
space, and he also touched onwhat it means to be raising
families adapting ai, we didsome fun key takes about what we
wanna use AI for so enjoy thisepisode.
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It's enlightening and also funand engaging.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofHow I Ai.
Today I have a very specialguest.
His name is Umer Hadeed.
He's actually the co-founder ofthe Collective ai, which really
sparked my interest intoartificial intelligence,
introduced me to an amazingcommunity in this space.
(02:12):
And beyond that, he's a serialentrepreneur, he's an innovation
architect, and a creative growthconsultant.
Umer, welcome.
Thank you so much for being heretoday.
Umer (02:23):
Oh, thank you, Brooke, for having me.
Brooke (02:25):
We are here in Bali and we just wrapped a AI hacker
house and Mastermind.
But before we get all into that,I'd love for you to maybe expand
a bit on your background.
And what it is that you do.
I know you have your hand in alot of spaces.
Umer (02:43):
Yeah.
So as you know that we arerunning a community called the
Collective.
Yes.
And it's a community of people,entrepreneurs people who are
interested in emergingtechnology and exponential tech.
Like-minded business owners.
So it's a community of thosepeople.
Where we come together, we learntogether.
We find different solutions toall the challenges that the new
(03:05):
ecosystem presents So yeah, weare running that and we've been
running for the past two yearsnow.
And it has been going great.
Of course, AI being at theforefront of the emerging tech.
So we touch upon a lot of AIstuff.
But of course, like, it's gonnabe beyond ai.
It's gonna be Web3 blockchainand future.
And we do too.
but ai, being ai.
So everybody's talking about,and it's a fad and everybody's
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interested in ai, right?
And so we are running that.
And you were part of the hackerhouse.
So what we do is we, in ourcommunity, it's a paid community
and we offer different servicesand I think with all the
webinars and workshop that wehost and online courses that we
build the greatest, I thinkthing that gives me pleasure and
helps me grow.
(03:48):
Is the hacker houses and theMastermind that we host.
Brooke (03:51):
Mm-hmm.
Umer (03:51):
So all these people like, you who become part of
community.
They have a chance to be part offour events that take place
throughout the year, which istwo hacker houses and two
masterminds.
And we do it mostly in the USbut then we host hacker houses
in different parts of the worldand we get to meet different
people.
We get to touch upon differentpeople's lives.
And it has been a veryinteresting ride.
(04:11):
So far as we know that, youknow, how AI is growing,
unfolding, every passing daythere's a new update that you
have no idea what it's about.
So that's, that has been great.
That's what's happening rightnow.
In the past yeah.
Um, I'm an engineer but I neverpracticed engineering.
Oh, really?
Computer, Yeah.
Computer engineer.
Back in 2001, I got graduated.
(04:33):
I worked with a couple ofcompanies before I started my
own thing.
Back in 2007.
Back in 2007 freelancing was onthe rise in Pakistan when West
realized that, hey let'soutsource this stuff.
You can get the same kind ofquality.
or at pennies and dimes.
Let's do that.
And that was the opportunity forthe East to you can get Like,
you know, pound pounds on thefact that, hey, not only you'll
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be able to work with some peoplewho are trying to work in the
latest tech and build some coolstuff.
And also the dollar and localrupe disparity was huge.
And you put same amount of work,but you get 10 x five x two x
amount of monetary upside,right?
Yeah, so got into it, build anagency, and then we
exponentially grew.
(05:16):
We put in a lot of effort.
So I had a chance to work with alot of big companies, fortune
500, from Pepsi Cheetos Coke,Cisco, huawe and so on and so
forth.
Worked for some Hollywoodmovies.
We did animations.
Did a visual effects for bunchof other individuals who are in
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Guinness Book of World Records,bubble Legendary.
So I gotta work with them.
So we did AR VR back in 2012,11.
Brooke (05:42):
Wow.
Umer (05:42):
And and then me and Jonathan started our own we
started like, you know, we, weare done with services cards.
For me it's something that, Idon't really enjoy.
And it's very painstaking andand very thankless no matter how
good of a job you do.
Especially working with biggerclients, they never, the
appreciation Like, you know, Theway it should be.
The money isn't there the way itshould be.
Brooke (06:04):
Yeah.
Umer (06:05):
'Cause of the reason they're all minting and then you
only get the crumbs.
So it was becoming tiring andthankless and we said we're
gonna work on our own products.
Yeah.
So we start with e-com.
We started like, um, a fewcompanies.
We launched on Shopify.
Initially we were notsuccessful, but we learned a lot
and we quickly turned around.
(06:26):
And then we made a huge inroadin jewelry segment and we became
eight figure company, Wow.
For consecutive three years.
And eventually we exited thatcompany.
We started a blockchain and thenfrom there uh, and we were
working on different parallelprojects at the same time.
We did a blockchain company in2017.
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Then we, ventured into AIeventually, like in as we could
see that, the future is allabout AI and emerging tech.
So it's all gonna be Web3 andai.
So we ventured into it.
So here we are.
Brooke (06:55):
Yeah.
That's.
My first question I love to diginto when people are explaining
their background and all thefacets they've worked in, is
when did AI catch yourattention?
What year was that and what wasyour first sampling of the
waters of using it for yourbusiness?
Umer (07:12):
AI has been there, but not the way open AI when open AI
came out and reached to themasses.
For consumer market.
It's changed the game foreveryone.
Nobody saw it coming.
That's the reality of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But at enterprise level, AI waslike, it has been few decades
that like, people have beenworking on AI and machine
learning and yeah.
(07:33):
Well in some shape or formyou're always working if if you
are developing differentproducts, you're developing
different SaaS.
It has always been part of it.
But yeah, the way OpenAI brokeinto the scene nobody saw it
coming, or maybe very few peoplesaw it coming.
And it changed the world.
Of course I was part of it.
I'm not gonna lie and say I knewit.
No, And I still believe hardlyanybody knows you know what is a
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way we heading, what's coming upnext?
So it's all speculation.
And now we are at a juncturewhere, of course you can
guesstimate because a lot isunfolded.
But back in 2022.
We hardly knew and there wasspeculation that, hey, there's
gonna be AGI right away, they'regonna be si and things gonna
change.
And there was fear factor beinghumans.
(08:15):
We always feared things or judgethings.
But Yeah.
The important thing is that,just learn what it is, what it
offers.
Take bull by the horn, use it,do whatever you're doing in your
life.
Yeah.
Whatever, what kind of businessthat you're into.
Yeah.
You running a solo company, yourunning a team-based company?
It's a medium enterprise.
It's a large enterprise.
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your life.
Yeah.
Whatever, what as a head, as aleader, as a CEO, as an
entrepreneur, your job is tomake sure that you plug AI into
your company, and whatever youguys are doing.
Whether it's real estate, it'shealth sector, it's services,
agencies it's a restaurantbusiness.
You're a doctor, you're anengineer, you're an architect.
Brooke (08:54):
Yes.
Umer (08:55):
You're a teacher whatever, like an industry or segment or
sector or vertical you are in.
Your job is to get into it.
You dive deep into it and seehow you can apply it within your
industry.
Brooke (09:06):
Absolutely.
So it seems like you had AI inthe background for a while, and
it really was when ChatGPT OpenAI came out that it really
shifted the industry as a whole.
So here we are now, 2025, andyou did some really cool demos
during our mastermind recentlyhere in Bali.
But can you share the wholeencompassing technology stack
(09:29):
that you currently use for allof your businesses that you
manage now?
Umer (09:34):
Yeah.
It's a same tech stack like,normally, which is at the
forefront.
Because here's the thing, thereality is I cannot say, Hey,
use this.
Yeah.
And this is the best shit thatyou're gonna come across.
And the very next day somethingbetter comes up.
Yeah.
And the day after that samecompany becomes better than the
new company.
Brooke (09:53):
Yes.
Umer (09:53):
So let me give you an example.
11 labs.
Has been leading in terms of thevoice over and then the music
and all of that.
And then people have been usingin different types of industries
and it has been leading.
And all of a sudden there was anew company think a week back
which got launched and peoplewere raving about it.
That, you know how it killed 11labs.
(10:14):
11 labs is gone.
'cause what it was offering 11labs wasn't offering.
So it wasn't notch above 11labs.
And then day before yesterday Ithink two days back, 11 labs
launched a new version, which isway better than that company.
Brooke (10:25):
Okay.
So
Umer (10:26):
it's we are living in those times.
And the graph of theintelligence I shouldn't be
saying intelligence, but thegraph of what it is offering in
terms of how it can streamline,optimize.
And help you pick up pace is.
Is on the rise, right?
So it based off of intelligencehow good it is being able to
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perform a certain task.
Initially we saw copy wasn'tgreat when Open AI came out.
The animation and the picturesweren't great.
But slowly and gradually they'rebecoming better.
So that's the incline curve ortrajectory that we see.
Yeah.
And I think it's gonna hit aplateau because it's gonna be
lot of diminishing returns.
Because this technology isn'tinexpensive.
It's very expensive.
(11:10):
Yes.
It doesn't come cheap.
So you need a lot of power.
You need a lot of energy.
There's a lot of computation.
And it's not easy to come upwith all those GPUs that are
working in the backend.
You don't make them cheap.
So the smarter systems that youwanna build, the faster systems
that you wanna build.
It requires bigger and bettermachinery behind it, right?
(11:32):
Of course, data combination isone part of it.
The other is of course themachine that we are using.
So that's gonna require a lot ofmoney to outdo the previous one.
Yes.
Outdo the previous one.
Yeah.
And there's gonna be a timewhere the output that is
required or done by thosecompany is not necessarily
required, or the output isn't asimpactful.
So the money input.
(11:54):
Is not gaining the output thatit's supposed to have.
because like in as humans, weare still underusing the
capability of AI that is Yeah.
right now.
Brooke (12:02):
absolutely.
That
Umer (12:03):
exists right now, for us it's just asking Elon Musk to
cook for us, just like howthat's how we are using AI right
now.
Hey write me this email.
so the current AI is better thanthat.
So the application is not there.
'cause the ecosystem around it.
Doesn't require it.
So how far are we gonna investinto this pool of intelligence?
I think it's gonna be, model,speed as compared to model
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intelligence.
'cause then you and me are gonnafight about Hey, is your AI
faster than mine is, yourcomputation time is shorter than
mine, and so on and so forth.
There's a lot of, intricateother elements, but I'm just
trying to super simplify.
So it's very interesting times,but like I said a lot of tech
has been used.
The time is to automate yoursystems.
(12:48):
Let all the mundane your dailytasks, which are pretty basic,
give it to ai.
And and it's gonna get it donefor you better than humans.
'cause it's functioning faster.
It doesn't get tired, it doesn'tget slow.
It doesn't sleep.
It's working 24 7.
And it's more accurate.
And you can build all thosesystem.
(13:08):
Now we are at a stage where weare all automating all those,
processes and systems that we doon our daily basis.
Posting on social media, Yes.
sending out emails keepingdifferent apps and use and tools
that we use across our companiestogether.
everything is automated.
Now and then you can do it.
And the biggest thing is vibecoding is here.
(13:29):
And I'm learning vibe coding.
Of course there's a lot of stuffwhich still requires a lot of
coding.
And they're low code and lowcode models, but they're not as
advanced.
And, but the vibe coding.
has come to the surface.
Yes.
And that's a game changer.
And I was talking for I thinktwo, three weeks ago I was
talking to.
One of my colleagues andpartners Eric and he's a beast
(13:51):
and he was teaching me differentstuff on Enit and all the other
platforms we are going through.
I was like, I'm gonna get backinto programming as it's getting
easier.
Brooke (13:59):
Okay.
Yeah.
Now you're ready to go back.
Umer (14:00):
No, but thing is, so I realized so I was of the opinion
that, hey, vibe coding is thereand everything is gonna change.
It's so easy for me.
It is.
It, still isn't, it's still, youhave to have that background and
that still need to, When I spokewith him, when he taught me
stuff.
I knew that, it's not gonna beeasy.
There's still a learning curve.
Yeah.
But then again, you can stilllose so much.
So yes.
Let's utilize it.
And yeah, to answer yourquestion, I didn't answer your
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question, what technology stack,because there's so many.
But it depends on what you'redoing.
Yes.
It could be, Gazillion.
It
Brooke (14:28):
sounds like you're non-committed, which is a good
place to be if you are exploringand able to pick up learning.
New systems quickly.
So if some model or version isbetter, the next day you're open
to switching around
Umer (14:45):
a hundred hundred percent.
You, you cannot be, so thegeneral perception is that hey,
pick any AI model and it's gonnaperform every task for you
equally good.
That's not the case.
Every LLM and their models arelike, really good at certain
things and they're not reallygood at other things.
So you gotta identify which oneis working for you.
And this you have spent sometime with me, so you know that I
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give this example that justlike, there are 8 billion
people, not every, every livingbeing is your person.
So we find and pick our ownperson.
Yeah.
We align with, same goes for LLMin my opinion.
See your alignment with whatyou're trying to do.
Which one works better?
Yeah.
You gotta try it.
You just cannot go by, by thesimple somebody's else's
opinion.
But then again, you need to knowthat, hey Claude performs a deep
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search way better than otherplatforms, gemini 2.4 and then
maybe deep Seq R one.
So these are the platform, ifyou're doing deep research you
can use open AI for certaintasks.
If you want to work on buildingsome imagery and videos.
There are other platforms, soyou gotta pick and choose.
You gotta see, try it outyourself and see hey, this kind
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of things that I want to buildand these are the platforms or
LLMs or models that arefunctioning, yeah.
Better for me.
Yeah,
Brooke (15:58):
I always describe it as, for the most part, everybody has
an iPhone, but it's just forthis example, if you were to put
everybody's iPhone on a tableduring dinner.
And look at all the apps thatthey have.
They probably all havecompletely different ones.
There might be some keyidentifying ones that everybody
uses, but we're also differenton how we approach life
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personally, professionally.
So I like that notion of juststaying open and seeing what
works for you.
because it's like uniquelyindividualized.
So do you estimate how muchyou're spending monthly on tech?
Because that sounds like anexpensive approach.
for you.
'cause it's
Umer (16:37):
Yeah.
The thing is it's not expensive.
If it is helping me build whatI'm trying to build faster and
better, then it's definitely notexpensive.
We spend ridiculous amount ofmoney on certain things that we
do not need.
Brooke (16:51):
Yeah.
Umer (16:52):
And to answer your question I have no answer to
that.
'cause every day there's a newthing and we are subscribing to
it.
Yeah.
There's always an increment intohow much you're investing into
technology and being anentrepreneur.
I think your job right now isinvest into it.
whether it's your time.
Your energy or money the ROIs isabsolutely mind boggling.
(17:14):
Yes.
You gotta learn.
You gotta invest.
you gotta optimize it.
But by the end of the day theoutput is beyond at least my
understanding my expectation, Iwasn't expecting those kind of
ROIs.
Teams are getting smaller jobsare like, individual jobs.
Roles are changing.
(17:35):
Yes.
A lot of people are losing theirjobs.
But at the same time it's notlosing its displacement.
Displacement.
I, ne I was never of the opinionthat, we are gonna lose jobs.
If you go back two, three yearsago, I always knew that, it's
gonna be displacement.
This is displacement thathappens.
So you gotta find hey I'm indanger.
My job is in danger'cause AI isexponentially growing and
getting better at what I do.
(17:56):
So how am I supposed to look atit?
How, where is the angle wherethe AI is not performing at its
bad within my domain?
For example, people say computerengineers gonna be like, you
know, the unnecessary in future.
For the companies, not for everycompany, but most of the
companies.
And I believe that's not thecase.
(18:16):
Yes.
Certain type of computerengineers'cause there are levels
to it, there are entry level,they're medium level and they're
high level.
So if you are top of thepyramid, you're always needed.
You're not going anywhere.
So just like in business, thepyramid top side, you're always
needed.
You, you're not going anywhere.
So the longevity is there.
The lower level, they alwaysexist.
Because they're always needed'cause of the price war.
(18:39):
It's always who's the cheapestand hey, can you perform the
bare minimum?
Yeah.
Can you give the functionaloutput that is needed regardless
of the price?
'cause and if you're cheap andyou're functional, people are
gonna hire you and you're gonnabe needed to do the basics or
operate all those ais.
Yeah.
And keep them streamlined orsomething.
Yes.
But the mid tier, just like inbusiness.
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The middle part of the burger,that's the worst part, people
from the top handling andbuilding the latest and the best
shit.
Lower entry level, super cheap.
'cause the rest of the stuff istaken care of by the ai, the
middle part.
So you're not gonna be needed.
So the choice is yours, whatyou're gonna do how you're gonna
position yourself now.
And I think if you are thatperson, I think.
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The biggest thing that I haveseen is you learn ai, you adopt
ai, and then you teach otherpeople.
That's the easiest way youbecome AI integrator.
You become AI enhancer.
You go in there and plug AI andthen you teach other ironic
though.
'cause you are plugging in yourreplacement.
You
Brooke (19:41):
Yes.
I plug AI everywhere.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Umer (19:44):
So it's, it's just interesting how we used to see
things and how we see the worldnow.
It's absolutely different.
Yeah, it's absolutely different.
Brooke (19:52):
Yeah.
I think you bring up some keypoints and really getting into
the entrepreneurial mindset ofthinking of the long term on how
much more you're gonna be ableto generate revenue wise, and
how much time you're gonna save.
Because a lot of people areapproaching this of just the
expenses and there's somereluctance and hesitance to just
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take that time.
To upskill and take that timeout of their work week and make
any sacrifices, whether that befinancial or energy.
Yeah.
But, getting in thatentrepreneurial mindset of how
much this is gonna compound yourefforts and not feeling like you
need to be convinced in any way,because a lot of people have
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already done amazing things, andthe opportunity lies there.
Absolutely.
And you spoke a little bit aboutjust the restructuring of
organizations and workflows andthe impact that's gonna be on
the industry and how you'reseeing it play out in real time.
I also have been seeing, thosemiddle level managers are now
agent bosses.
They're now looking over theseais and.
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being the manager of ais in thatmiddle rounds.
space.
I'm curious to hear more aboutjust the restructuring of your
business and your life.
How did you start to integrateit into your workflow?
Did you completely shift yourstaff and your team on all of
the work that you're doing?
How did AI flip the script foryou?
Because a lot of people are inthat space for the first time
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where they're like, no, what doI do?
Am I laying off my staff?
What do I do now?
Or do I just train them all now?
Or people are wanting to knowwhat does the workforce look
like in a year?
And you had a head start, socould you maybe speak on that
retrospectively?
Umer (21:38):
Yeah.
To your question Hey, how do weplug it in and and it, did it
switch the script on us Yes, itdid.
Yeah.
And in many cases, yes.
And in other cases, no.
Because sometimes we ooverestimate stuff, sometimes we
underestimate stuff.
And that's the reality of it.
But the important thing is, sothis has been part of the
ecosystem always.
Yeah.
When Industrial Revolution came,people thought rather, even if
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we go back when printing pressescame about and Ottoman Empire
was ruling the world and all thetechnology hub and the science
scientific work was getting doneby under ottoman empires times.
And West was sleeping.
And they came up with printingpress.
One of the biggest thing was.
The downfall of them was theydidn't adapt the printing press.
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So West took over, they saidlet's start printing books.
And the other dudes were stuckin the old archaic system of
writing books.
So the information and theknowledge spread really fast.
Yeah.
So the time lapse is like hugeover there.
It's 150 years for them to fallcompletely.
But thing is back then it wasn'thuge enough.
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For now it's, the.
it's big time.
But then again, that was thereason why it happened and
adopting that kind of technologyback then snowballed into what
happened in, in early 20thcentury to Ottoman Empire.
World War I and then stuff.
So that's just an example.
Then again by the end of 19thcentury industrial revolution
happened in America.
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And things were changing.
There was a lot of humanresource required labor work was
used to do all of that.
And then as the, mechanics ofthe industry changed, and then
we came about different robots,mechanical robots or mechanical
systems which help automate,humans to perform, like, bigger
and better tasks, less humanswere acquired.
Brooke (23:27):
Yeah.
Umer (23:28):
And then we went into corporation when that happened
after Industrial Revolution,when corporations emerged and we
went from analog to digitals,things changed and computer came
into existence.
So.
How we use to perform officialtask through paperwork.
Yeah.
It went away.
Everything started becomingdigitalized or most of the stuff
started to become digitalized.
(23:49):
How we used to communicatechanged how we used to connect
change.
so coming to current times,
Brooke (23:56):
yes.
Umer (23:56):
same applies.
It's not something new.
Yeah.
It has been happening, so yougotta realize it.
And for me, the only differencethis time around is um the time
that is needed right now tochange the window is so short
that if you're overthinking, ifyou are procrastinating you're
not taking action, you won'thave time to catch up.
(24:18):
That's the only difference thatI see.
Yeah.
It's existential crisis for you,for your business.
If you don't adapt this change,people won't be able to relate.
big companies are alreadylooking for all those companies
even medium enterprises arelooking for all those people who
know ai.
And then, and if you see the jobposting by all those companies,
(24:40):
the first thing that they ask isHey, are you AI smart?
Are you AI literate?
Are you ai well-versed, ifyou're not, then they're not
even gonna consider you.
That's just the beginning ofthe, and for people who are not
gonna adapt.
For me we are going into thoselike, sci-fi movies in coming
years where they show there weretwo kinds of societies living,
one utopian societies whereYeah.
(25:01):
flying cars and thoseskyscrapers and everything high
tech com robots and then thereis, there are rogue people who
are living outside that boundarywall of utopian society who are
completely.
disconnected.
Yeah.
Who call them either Rogue orRebels or like, you know, oh, we
still doing the things thatlike, we used to, so we are
heading into those times, in myopinion, next five, six years
(25:25):
gonna be very evidential interms of hey, it's, the line has
been drawn and it's, it and thevoid.
It's gonna get bigger andbigger.
So for me it's it's imperative.
It's imperative.
For your existence, for yourcompany's existence, that you
have to cut the emotional partand be more analytical.
And be more pragmatic, prudent.
(25:47):
With every step that you takefor your future and for your
company's future and for yourfamily's future, Yeah.
that which part you're gonna beon.
So it's very clear, like I said,this utopian or the other
society.
So if you wanna stay here andyou wanna serve them, that's
absolutely fine by me.
I have nothing.
I have no qualms.
But if you want to be here andthen you wanna take advantage of
(26:07):
this, and then you wanna livehere you gotta cut the
sentimental emotional part.
Hey, I'm cutting my people,right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's this.
I know it's sad, but that's justhow it is.
If they were into this game,they would evolve themselves.
They would adapt AI and help youbuild your system and with your
businesses or your things.
(26:29):
And then they're gonna becomeindispensable.
Brooke (26:32):
Yeah.
Umer (26:32):
And you won't need to fire them, or you don't need to, you
won't need to get rid of them.
Yeah, so that's what I believe.
This is just part of the gameand it has been happening for
the past centuries now.
And it's interesting that we arepart of it.
Yes, We are witnessing itfirsthand.
Brooke (26:48):
I remember even early on in my career, even when I
learned computers, it was likefloppy discs and green screens
and I saw the progressionentering corporate and.
I used to fax things in thebeginnings, and then it was you
could use the printer to scanthings and, yeah.
Yeah.
So see the progression oftechnology and to your point,
(27:09):
really showing initiative tolearn these new tools and skills
and trades and adding value ifyou're working for someone else,
or I think it's never been amore empowering place to.
get in the driver's seat andstart building your own things.
Like what is it you wanna createfor yourself?
A hundred
Umer (27:26):
percent.
I think you have everythingavailable.
It's at your disposal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you want to become a personalbrand, if you wanna launch it,
if you do something and offersomething unique,
Brooke (27:36):
yes.
Umer (27:36):
You don't need a team anymore.
Yeah.
You may like, but not as huge atit was required few years back.
And right now after, so theprogression was like we
discussed industrial corporationduring Industrial Revolution,
the wealth was created.
Then during corporation level,corporates created the wealth.
And 2010s onward it has been.
(27:58):
Your personal brand, which hasbeen creating wealth, and as we
are going deeper into thecurrent technology it is
becoming more and more viable.
That soon we are gonna see.
It's just a speculation.
It's not something out of thinair.
Yes.
The signs are there that soon weare gonna see a company.
Run by a person and it's gonnabe a billion dollar company.
(28:19):
So we are living in those timeswhere you don't have any excuse.
Yeah.
The only excuse is yourself.
If you're not able to achieveanything that you think that you
are, that's your calling, that'syour purpose.
Things that you're passionateabout.
If you're not able to do it,it's only'cause of you and
nobody else.
It's not the money anymore.
It's not the people around you.
(28:40):
It's not the access of resourcesthat you require, nothing of
that so it is you it is me.
And I tell this to myself everyday that I couldn't do certain
tasks.
It has nothing to do with howbusy I was.
It's just that me.
Yeah.
I see yeah, of course.
The upside is huge.
Yeah.
So is the downside, but yeah yougotta think positive.
Brooke (29:02):
Yeah.
Umer (29:02):
You're not supposed to fear it.
You gotta start learning it, youstart adapting it.
And there's gonna be learningcurve initially, and it's gonna
be difficult as humans.
We hate being in uncomfortablepositions.
Without pain there is no growth.
We all know that.
So time to take action.
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One thing I wanna touch on,because I love interviewing
parents when it comes to thistime of AI impact and education
during our masterminds, you'vedone such a great job at demoing
(30:22):
automation tools.
I've seen you do make.com NAN,Zapier and most recently you did
such a cool presentation whereyou connected with your son and
he did a live stream and.
He talked about how he'screating faceless accounts on
YouTube.
There's a couple things I wannatouch on when it comes to AI in
children.
(30:44):
One is how you're approachingtheir education now that this is
on the rise and what you findvalue in teaching them.
And two is why do you thinkchildren have such an easier
transition to adapting ai?
And there seems to be lessresistance there compared to
adults?
Umer (31:04):
Yeah.
It's simple.
It has always been like that.
So we were really good withcomputers as compared to our
parents.
'cause we open eyes and in timeswhere computer already existed.
So we saw those things.
Growing up we started playingwith computers, with mouse and
keyboards.
Video games.
So our environment had thosegadgets.
And if you compare it with ourparents and generation before us
(31:25):
it was all alien to them, Right?
And then the beautiful thing iswe sometimes believe that, hey,
this has a lot to do with theparenting, stuff parenting
methods and techniques and allof that.
Yes, to a certain degree, ofcourse.
A kid who is not aware of whattechnologies exists And hasn't
experienced it firsthand, wouldnever understand what it is.
And is gonna be way behind ascompared to the kids, like, who
(31:48):
grew up and see all those thingsand and has been playing within
those things, of yes.
But at the same time i thinkcurrently the generation, which
is growing up in this ecosystemis gonna be far more i must say,
I don't wanna say intelligent,they're not gonna be
intelligent.
(32:09):
I think human intelligence isgonna go down, but they're far
more smarter in terms of gettingtheir goals.
Okay.
As compared to us.
And the main reason is that theyknow how to use.
Certain tools to get certainthings as humans grow up.
They develop ego, they developcertain habits.
(32:31):
And those habits they're stuckto you.
And it's so difficult to changeas you grow older.
So you try and avoid adopt newthings.
That's nothing but human nature.
I think so the next generationis gonna, always gonna find a
shortcut'cause that's what theyhave already tasted.
Brooke (32:48):
Okay.
Umer (32:48):
But of course, like I said, it has got an upside and
it has got a downside.
And as we see it right now,everyone is looking for
shortcuts.
They're gonna earn successpretty easily and they're gonna
lose it pretty easily, superfast.
So it's gonna be going up superfast.
And if you're not putting in thework, and if you're not used to
it it's going down super fasttoo.
(33:10):
Or somebody else is going wayfaster, way higher than you are.
So that's the race that I see.
But the important thing is forme as a parent, and then you
touched upon kids this issomething which is gonna be
their world.
That's their oyster.
Yeah.
It's for me it's, um The onlything that I can do is introduce
them to, and that's what I didwith my kid.
(33:32):
So there's a project that I dowith my kids every month.
I give them a topic, notnecessarily tech topic.
But any topic in life.
It could be politicalgeopolitical geographical and
emerging tech human sciences.
I just give them any topic andthey present to me and my wife.
And then I, read about them, wegive them score.
Wow.
And then on, base off thatpresentation they can read out
(33:55):
through a paper.
They can give a completepresentation.
It can be exem poor, they canseek anybody's help.
So there's no restriction, butthey have to present it in front
of us, all of us.
Wow.
So they do that.
And my kid, the one that you sawand then you present it in front
of everyone?
I never got a name like, deepinto about AI or any of the
technology.
I just, in around 2022 or maybeearly 2023, I just gave them a
(34:19):
project like, hey there's athing called ai.
You gotta go research and giveus.
Next week it's gonnapresentation on that.
Wow.
so from that point onward he gotobsessed with it.
And then he ventured into ithimself.
So all the tools that he's usingthat he's shared with everyone,
it was all his research.
Cool.
So he went online and he did allof that and he's playing with
(34:39):
it.
I've never forced him to doanything.
So as a parent it's veryimportant that we introduce them
and let them be supervise howthey approach things.
Yes, of course they're gonna bequestions.
Our job is to answer thosequestion.
And, and the biggest thing thatwe can do right now is with all
of that's the easy part.
the hard part is the mindset.
(35:01):
I think we all need to work onthe mindset of our kids right
now because I think that is moreimportant than anything else.
As parents, as elders assiblings if you're an older
sibling and you have youngerones, it's our job.
'Cause this technology is sopowerful in both meanings good
and bad.
(35:21):
And it's so easy to get lostwith the kind of power that you
feel while using this.
And without knowing if you'renot like, conscious enough and
aware, self aware enough, and.
Aware of the consequences.
It can take you really far onthe dark side.
Yeah.
So for me, nowadays they'realready, they have access to
(35:46):
internet, they have access toeverything.
But there are certain rulesthat, and protocols in in my
house that they cannot access itin their rooms.
Okay.
So they, they're not allowed touse mobile phones or laptops in
rooms.
It happens in the living area,in the lounge area.
That's my rule Because it has tobe supervised.
Yeah.
So that's what I believe, butthen the most time that I spend
(36:06):
with my kids is on now theirmindset.
That's the reality of it.
I show them how important it isthat life's not gonna be easy
with all the tools that they'regetting.
Yes.
They're still gonna need a lotof hard work, perseverance, and
the most important thing,discipline.
So I try and inculcate thosevalues.
I try and inculcate how they'regonna be, still gonna be
(36:28):
challenges.
I work on those then like in atechnology'cause as you
discussed earlier they're gonnaget better than I am in
technology and how to use thetechnology.
Brooke (36:37):
I love that.
I had the opportunity to touch alittle bit more about that and
parenting because I think it'ssuch an important topic right
now.
So thank you for sharing that.
My next segue is going to be alittle bit.
Fun I get to ask everybody Iinterview.
Because You are already creatinga lot and you've been in the
space for a while, but what isnot out there yet?
(36:59):
And if you could wave a magicwand and create something, maybe
you've seen the capabilities outthere more than most.
If you could create anythingright now, what would you put
out there using ai?
Umer (37:11):
Wow.
That is such a good question.
That is such a good question.
I think the most common answeris gonna be portals.
Brooke (37:19):
Portals.
Yeah.
Umer (37:20):
Portals.
I think time traveling.
Or moving from one point to theother by just stepping into a
vortex or a portal.
Think just like in Star Trek orall that.
So we used to watch as growingup, so that was really
fascinating.
I think that is something that
Brooke (37:32):
can happen.
Umer (37:33):
Yeah, can definitely happen Yeah.
the way science is.
Now they have been able to moveI think a quantum, atom and they
have been able to like, move itfrom one space to the other.
And the experiments are goingon.
But interesting fact is yes.
Time travel portal.
Yeah.
and that's the most common.
Brooke (37:52):
Yeah.
I think with this technology andthis empowerment, I see
advancements in the medicalfield and so if I had to wave a
magic wand, I like to answerdifferently for every guest.
I think just lately being inBali and surrounded by so much
pollution, I know that there arealready solutions out there to
turning plastic into oil andthings of that nature.
I think that now that we havethe.
(38:14):
Technology and the tools to useAI for good, and how do we solve
real world problems like trashand pollution and
infrastructure.
It's just so prevalent in mymind while here in Bali.
But I think we're at time and Ijust wanna thank you so much for
sharing more about yourbackground, how you came into
(38:35):
ai.
And the most important thingthat really hit me today was
just the mindset shift that weall need to take and with
ourselves and.
Our teams and with the futuregenerations.
So I just really appreciate yourtime today and I wanna just open
the floor for any closingremarks and how can listeners
get in contact with you?
What's the best way to reachyou?
Umer (38:56):
Yeah.
Through social media.
You can connect either LinkedIn,Instagram, as well Not on
snapchat or anything.
So my name is oer, UMER.
Hadeed, H-A-D-E-E-D so you cansearch Umer Hadeed Yes.
on any of these platforms.
You can send a dm, you can reachout to me and then if you have
any query, if I can be of anyhelp I would love to so that's
(39:19):
my calling too, so yeah, wouldlove to connect with you all.
Thank you for having me, Brooke.
Yes.
And my last leaving note wouldbe like, it's important.
To when, when we are making adecision is to be okay with the
worst case scenario.
And and if you're okay with theworst case scenario, then go for
it.
Yeah.
And right now the importantthing is, and I've seen this
(39:40):
example in front of me and thenI would share it with everyone.
It's time to take action.
We are living in times where ifyou know everything.
It doesn't matter.
Unless, or until you're takingactions.
Yes.
So for you, for me, foreverybody else who's listening
and around us it's importantthat you start applying what you
(40:00):
know.
Because if you're not gonnaapply, you're not gonna know
what, where it needs fixing howbetter You need it.
And how badly you need it.
And what are the changes thatyou need to make, to improve?
So that's as important.
Yeah, right now.
Brooke (40:14):
Very beautiful.
Last point indeed.
So thank you so much Umer.
I appreciate you.
Umer (40:19):
Thank you for having me, Brooke.
It was lovely chatting with you.
Brooke (40:23):
I hope today's episode opened your mind to what's
possible with ai.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
See you on the next episode ofHow I Ai.
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Hello everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofHow I Ai.
Today I have a very specialguest.
His name is Umer Hadeed.
He's actually the co-founder ofthe Collective ai, which really
sparked my interest intoartificial intelligence,
introduced me to an amazingcommunity in this space.
(02:12):
And beyond that, he's a serialentrepreneur, he's an innovation
architect, and a creative growthconsultant.
Umer, welcome.
Thank you so much for being heretoday.
Umer (02:23):
Oh, thank you, Brooke, for having me.
Brooke (02:25):
We are here in Bali and we just wrapped a AI hacker
house and Mastermind.
But before we get all into that,I'd love for you to maybe expand
a bit on your background.
And what it is that you do.
I know you have your hand in alot of spaces.
Umer (02:43):
Yeah.
So as you know that we arerunning a community called the
Collective.
Yes.
And it's a community of people,entrepreneurs people who are
interested in emergingtechnology and exponential tech.
Like-minded business owners.
So it's a community of thosepeople.
Where we come together, we learntogether.
We find different solutions toall the challenges that the new
(03:05):
ecosystem presents So yeah, weare running that and we've been
running for the past two yearsnow.
And it has been going great.
Of course, AI being at theforefront of the emerging tech.
So we touch upon a lot of AIstuff.
But of course, like, it's gonnabe beyond ai.
It's gonna be Web3 blockchainand future.
And we do too.
but ai, being ai.
So everybody's talking about,and it's a fad and everybody's
(03:27):
interested in ai, right?
And so we are running that.
And you were part of the hackerhouse.
So what we do is we, in ourcommunity, it's a paid community
and we offer different servicesand I think with all the
webinars and workshop that wehost and online courses that we
build the greatest, I thinkthing that gives me pleasure and
helps me grow.
(03:48):
Is the hacker houses and theMastermind that we host.
Brooke (03:51):
Mm-hmm.
Umer (03:51):
So all these people like, you who become part of
community.
They have a chance to be part offour events that take place
throughout the year, which istwo hacker houses and two
masterminds.
And we do it mostly in the USbut then we host hacker houses
in different parts of the worldand we get to meet different
people.
We get to touch upon differentpeople's lives.
And it has been a veryinteresting ride.
(04:11):
So far as we know that, youknow, how AI is growing,
unfolding, every passing daythere's a new update that you
have no idea what it's about.
So that's, that has been great.
That's what's happening rightnow.
In the past yeah.
Um, I'm an engineer but I neverpracticed engineering.
Oh, really?
Computer, Yeah.
Computer engineer.
Back in 2001, I got graduated.
(04:33):
I worked with a couple ofcompanies before I started my
own thing.
Back in 2007.
Back in 2007 freelancing was onthe rise in Pakistan when West
realized that, hey let'soutsource this stuff.
You can get the same kind ofquality.
or at pennies and dimes.
Let's do that.
And that was the opportunity forthe East to you can get Like,
you know, pound pounds on thefact that, hey, not only you'll
(04:55):
be able to work with some peoplewho are trying to work in the
latest tech and build some coolstuff.
And also the dollar and localrupe disparity was huge.
And you put same amount of work,but you get 10 x five x two x
amount of monetary upside,right?
Yeah, so got into it, build anagency, and then we
exponentially grew.
(05:16):
We put in a lot of effort.
So I had a chance to work with alot of big companies, fortune
500, from Pepsi Cheetos Coke,Cisco, huawe and so on and so
forth.
Worked for some Hollywoodmovies.
We did animations.
Did a visual effects for bunchof other individuals who are in
(05:36):
Guinness Book of World Records,bubble Legendary.
So I gotta work with them.
So we did AR VR back in 2012,11.
Brooke (05:42):
Wow.
Umer (05:42):
And and then me and Jonathan started our own we
started like, you know, we, weare done with services cards.
For me it's something that, Idon't really enjoy.
And it's very painstaking andand very thankless no matter how
good of a job you do.
Especially working with biggerclients, they never, the
appreciation Like, you know, Theway it should be.
The money isn't there the way itshould be.
Brooke (06:04):
Yeah.
Umer (06:05):
'Cause of the reason they're all minting and then you
only get the crumbs.
So it was becoming tiring andthankless and we said we're
gonna work on our own products.
Yeah.
So we start with e-com.
We started like, um, a fewcompanies.
We launched on Shopify.
Initially we were notsuccessful, but we learned a lot
and we quickly turned around.
(06:26):
And then we made a huge inroadin jewelry segment and we became
eight figure company, Wow.
For consecutive three years.
And eventually we exited thatcompany.
We started a blockchain and thenfrom there uh, and we were
working on different parallelprojects at the same time.
We did a blockchain company in2017.
(06:46):
Then we, ventured into AIeventually, like in as we could
see that, the future is allabout AI and emerging tech.
So it's all gonna be Web3 andai.
So we ventured into it.
So here we are.
Brooke (06:55):
Yeah.
That's.
My first question I love to diginto when people are explaining
their background and all thefacets they've worked in, is
when did AI catch yourattention?
What year was that and what wasyour first sampling of the
waters of using it for yourbusiness?
Umer (07:12):
AI has been there, but not the way open AI when open AI
came out and reached to themasses.
For consumer market.
It's changed the game foreveryone.
Nobody saw it coming.
That's the reality of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But at enterprise level, AI waslike, it has been few decades
that like, people have beenworking on AI and machine
learning and yeah.
(07:33):
Well in some shape or formyou're always working if if you
are developing differentproducts, you're developing
different SaaS.
It has always been part of it.
But yeah, the way OpenAI brokeinto the scene nobody saw it
coming, or maybe very few peoplesaw it coming.
And it changed the world.
Of course I was part of it.
I'm not gonna lie and say I knewit.
No, And I still believe hardlyanybody knows you know what is a
(07:55):
way we heading, what's coming upnext?
So it's all speculation.
And now we are at a juncturewhere, of course you can
guesstimate because a lot isunfolded.
But back in 2022.
We hardly knew and there wasspeculation that, hey, there's
gonna be AGI right away, they'regonna be si and things gonna
change.
And there was fear factor beinghumans.
(08:15):
We always feared things or judgethings.
But Yeah.
The important thing is that,just learn what it is, what it
offers.
Take bull by the horn, use it,do whatever you're doing in your
life.
Yeah.
Whatever, what kind of businessthat you're into.
Yeah.
You running a solo company, yourunning a team-based company?
It's a medium enterprise.
It's a large enterprise.
(08:35):
your life.
Yeah.
Whatever, what as a head, as aleader, as a CEO, as an
entrepreneur, your job is tomake sure that you plug AI into
your company, and whatever youguys are doing.
Whether it's real estate, it'shealth sector, it's services,
agencies it's a restaurantbusiness.
You're a doctor, you're anengineer, you're an architect.
Brooke (08:54):
Yes.
Umer (08:55):
You're a teacher whatever, like an industry or segment or
sector or vertical you are in.
Your job is to get into it.
You dive deep into it and seehow you can apply it within your
industry.
Brooke (09:06):
Absolutely.
So it seems like you had AI inthe background for a while, and
it really was when ChatGPT OpenAI came out that it really
shifted the industry as a whole.
So here we are now, 2025, andyou did some really cool demos
during our mastermind recentlyhere in Bali.
But can you share the wholeencompassing technology stack
(09:29):
that you currently use for allof your businesses that you
manage now?
Umer (09:34):
Yeah.
It's a same tech stack like,normally, which is at the
forefront.
Because here's the thing, thereality is I cannot say, Hey,
use this.
Yeah.
And this is the best shit thatyou're gonna come across.
And the very next day somethingbetter comes up.
Yeah.
And the day after that samecompany becomes better than the
new company.
Brooke (09:53):
Yes.
Umer (09:53):
So let me give you an example.
11 labs.
Has been leading in terms of thevoice over and then the music
and all of that.
And then people have been usingin different types of industries
and it has been leading.
And all of a sudden there was anew company think a week back
which got launched and peoplewere raving about it.
That, you know how it killed 11labs.
(10:14):
11 labs is gone.
'cause what it was offering 11labs wasn't offering.
So it wasn't notch above 11labs.
And then day before yesterday Ithink two days back, 11 labs
launched a new version, which isway better than that company.
Brooke (10:25):
Okay.
So
Umer (10:26):
it's we are living in those times.
And the graph of theintelligence I shouldn't be
saying intelligence, but thegraph of what it is offering in
terms of how it can streamline,optimize.
And help you pick up pace is.
Is on the rise, right?
So it based off of intelligencehow good it is being able to
(10:49):
perform a certain task.
Initially we saw copy wasn'tgreat when Open AI came out.
The animation and the picturesweren't great.
But slowly and gradually they'rebecoming better.
So that's the incline curve ortrajectory that we see.
Yeah.
And I think it's gonna hit aplateau because it's gonna be
lot of diminishing returns.
Because this technology isn'tinexpensive.
It's very expensive.
(11:10):
Yes.
It doesn't come cheap.
So you need a lot of power.
You need a lot of energy.
There's a lot of computation.
And it's not easy to come upwith all those GPUs that are
working in the backend.
You don't make them cheap.
So the smarter systems that youwanna build, the faster systems
that you wanna build.
It requires bigger and bettermachinery behind it, right?
(11:32):
Of course, data combination isone part of it.
The other is of course themachine that we are using.
So that's gonna require a lot ofmoney to outdo the previous one.
Yes.
Outdo the previous one.
Yeah.
And there's gonna be a timewhere the output that is
required or done by thosecompany is not necessarily
required, or the output isn't asimpactful.
So the money input.
(11:54):
Is not gaining the output thatit's supposed to have.
because like in as humans, weare still underusing the
capability of AI that is Yeah.
right now.
Brooke (12:02):
absolutely.
That
Umer (12:03):
exists right now, for us it's just asking Elon Musk to
cook for us, just like howthat's how we are using AI right
now.
Hey write me this email.
so the current AI is better thanthat.
So the application is not there.
'cause the ecosystem around it.
Doesn't require it.
So how far are we gonna investinto this pool of intelligence?
I think it's gonna be, model,speed as compared to model
(12:26):
intelligence.
'cause then you and me are gonnafight about Hey, is your AI
faster than mine is, yourcomputation time is shorter than
mine, and so on and so forth.
There's a lot of, intricateother elements, but I'm just
trying to super simplify.
So it's very interesting times,but like I said a lot of tech
has been used.
The time is to automate yoursystems.
(12:48):
Let all the mundane your dailytasks, which are pretty basic,
give it to ai.
And and it's gonna get it donefor you better than humans.
'cause it's functioning faster.
It doesn't get tired, it doesn'tget slow.
It doesn't sleep.
It's working 24 7.
And it's more accurate.
And you can build all thosesystem.
(13:08):
Now we are at a stage where weare all automating all those,
processes and systems that we doon our daily basis.
Posting on social media, Yes.
sending out emails keepingdifferent apps and use and tools
that we use across our companiestogether.
everything is automated.
Now and then you can do it.
And the biggest thing is vibecoding is here.
(13:29):
And I'm learning vibe coding.
Of course there's a lot of stuffwhich still requires a lot of
coding.
And they're low code and lowcode models, but they're not as
advanced.
And, but the vibe coding.
has come to the surface.
Yes.
And that's a game changer.
And I was talking for I thinktwo, three weeks ago I was
talking to.
One of my colleagues andpartners Eric and he's a beast
(13:51):
and he was teaching me differentstuff on Enit and all the other
platforms we are going through.
I was like, I'm gonna get backinto programming as it's getting
easier.
Brooke (13:59):
Okay.
Yeah.
Now you're ready to go back.
Umer (14:00):
No, but thing is, so I realized so I was of the opinion
that, hey, vibe coding is thereand everything is gonna change.
It's so easy for me.
It is.
It, still isn't, it's still, youhave to have that background and
that still need to, When I spokewith him, when he taught me
stuff.
I knew that, it's not gonna beeasy.
There's still a learning curve.
Yeah.
But then again, you can stilllose so much.
So yes.
Let's utilize it.
And yeah, to answer yourquestion, I didn't answer your
(14:22):
question, what technology stack,because there's so many.
But it depends on what you'redoing.
Yes.
It could be, Gazillion.
It
Brooke (14:28):
sounds like you're non-committed, which is a good
place to be if you are exploringand able to pick up learning.
New systems quickly.
So if some model or version isbetter, the next day you're open
to switching around
Umer (14:45):
a hundred hundred percent.
You, you cannot be, so thegeneral perception is that hey,
pick any AI model and it's gonnaperform every task for you
equally good.
That's not the case.
Every LLM and their models arelike, really good at certain
things and they're not reallygood at other things.
So you gotta identify which oneis working for you.
And this you have spent sometime with me, so you know that I
(15:07):
give this example that justlike, there are 8 billion
people, not every, every livingbeing is your person.
So we find and pick our ownperson.
Yeah.
We align with, same goes for LLMin my opinion.
See your alignment with whatyou're trying to do.
Which one works better?
Yeah.
You gotta try it.
You just cannot go by, by thesimple somebody's else's
opinion.
But then again, you need to knowthat, hey Claude performs a deep
(15:30):
search way better than otherplatforms, gemini 2.4 and then
maybe deep Seq R one.
So these are the platform, ifyou're doing deep research you
can use open AI for certaintasks.
If you want to work on buildingsome imagery and videos.
There are other platforms, soyou gotta pick and choose.
You gotta see, try it outyourself and see hey, this kind
(15:51):
of things that I want to buildand these are the platforms or
LLMs or models that arefunctioning, yeah.
Better for me.
Yeah,
Brooke (15:58):
I always describe it as, for the most part, everybody has
an iPhone, but it's just forthis example, if you were to put
everybody's iPhone on a tableduring dinner.
And look at all the apps thatthey have.
They probably all havecompletely different ones.
There might be some keyidentifying ones that everybody
uses, but we're also differenton how we approach life
(16:20):
personally, professionally.
So I like that notion of juststaying open and seeing what
works for you.
because it's like uniquelyindividualized.
So do you estimate how muchyou're spending monthly on tech?
Because that sounds like anexpensive approach.
for you.
'cause it's
Umer (16:37):
Yeah.
The thing is it's not expensive.
If it is helping me build whatI'm trying to build faster and
better, then it's definitely notexpensive.
We spend ridiculous amount ofmoney on certain things that we
do not need.
Brooke (16:51):
Yeah.
Umer (16:52):
And to answer your question I have no answer to
that.
'cause every day there's a newthing and we are subscribing to
it.
Yeah.
There's always an increment intohow much you're investing into
technology and being anentrepreneur.
I think your job right now isinvest into it.
whether it's your time.
Your energy or money the ROIs isabsolutely mind boggling.
(17:14):
Yes.
You gotta learn.
You gotta invest.
you gotta optimize it.
But by the end of the day theoutput is beyond at least my
understanding my expectation, Iwasn't expecting those kind of
ROIs.
Teams are getting smaller jobsare like, individual jobs.
Roles are changing.
(17:35):
Yes.
A lot of people are losing theirjobs.
But at the same time it's notlosing its displacement.
Displacement.
I, ne I was never of the opinionthat, we are gonna lose jobs.
If you go back two, three yearsago, I always knew that, it's
gonna be displacement.
This is displacement thathappens.
So you gotta find hey I'm indanger.
My job is in danger'cause AI isexponentially growing and
getting better at what I do.
(17:56):
So how am I supposed to look atit?
How, where is the angle wherethe AI is not performing at its
bad within my domain?
For example, people say computerengineers gonna be like, you
know, the unnecessary in future.
For the companies, not for everycompany, but most of the
companies.
And I believe that's not thecase.
(18:16):
Yes.
Certain type of computerengineers'cause there are levels
to it, there are entry level,they're medium level and they're
high level.
So if you are top of thepyramid, you're always needed.
You're not going anywhere.
So just like in business, thepyramid top side, you're always
needed.
You, you're not going anywhere.
So the longevity is there.
The lower level, they alwaysexist.
Because they're always needed'cause of the price war.
(18:39):
It's always who's the cheapestand hey, can you perform the
bare minimum?
Yeah.
Can you give the functionaloutput that is needed regardless
of the price?
'cause and if you're cheap andyou're functional, people are
gonna hire you and you're gonnabe needed to do the basics or
operate all those ais.
Yeah.
And keep them streamlined orsomething.
Yes.
But the mid tier, just like inbusiness.
(19:00):
The middle part of the burger,that's the worst part, people
from the top handling andbuilding the latest and the best
shit.
Lower entry level, super cheap.
'cause the rest of the stuff istaken care of by the ai, the
middle part.
So you're not gonna be needed.
So the choice is yours, whatyou're gonna do how you're gonna
position yourself now.
And I think if you are thatperson, I think.
(19:22):
The biggest thing that I haveseen is you learn ai, you adopt
ai, and then you teach otherpeople.
That's the easiest way youbecome AI integrator.
You become AI enhancer.
You go in there and plug AI andthen you teach other ironic
though.
'cause you are plugging in yourreplacement.
You
Brooke (19:41):
Yes.
I plug AI everywhere.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Umer (19:44):
So it's, it's just interesting how we used to see
things and how we see the worldnow.
It's absolutely different.
Yeah, it's absolutely different.
Brooke (19:52):
Yeah.
I think you bring up some keypoints and really getting into
the entrepreneurial mindset ofthinking of the long term on how
much more you're gonna be ableto generate revenue wise, and
how much time you're gonna save.
Because a lot of people areapproaching this of just the
expenses and there's somereluctance and hesitance to just
(20:16):
take that time.
To upskill and take that timeout of their work week and make
any sacrifices, whether that befinancial or energy.
Yeah.
But, getting in thatentrepreneurial mindset of how
much this is gonna compound yourefforts and not feeling like you
need to be convinced in any way,because a lot of people have
(20:37):
already done amazing things, andthe opportunity lies there.
Absolutely.
And you spoke a little bit aboutjust the restructuring of
organizations and workflows andthe impact that's gonna be on
the industry and how you'reseeing it play out in real time.
I also have been seeing, thosemiddle level managers are now
agent bosses.
They're now looking over theseais and.
(21:00):
being the manager of ais in thatmiddle rounds.
space.
I'm curious to hear more aboutjust the restructuring of your
business and your life.
How did you start to integrateit into your workflow?
Did you completely shift yourstaff and your team on all of
the work that you're doing?
How did AI flip the script foryou?
Because a lot of people are inthat space for the first time
(21:21):
where they're like, no, what doI do?
Am I laying off my staff?
What do I do now?
Or do I just train them all now?
Or people are wanting to knowwhat does the workforce look
like in a year?
And you had a head start, socould you maybe speak on that
retrospectively?
Umer (21:38):
Yeah.
To your question Hey, how do weplug it in and and it, did it
switch the script on us Yes, itdid.
Yeah.
And in many cases, yes.
And in other cases, no.
Because sometimes we ooverestimate stuff, sometimes we
underestimate stuff.
And that's the reality of it.
But the important thing is, sothis has been part of the
ecosystem always.
Yeah.
When Industrial Revolution came,people thought rather, even if
(22:01):
we go back when printing pressescame about and Ottoman Empire
was ruling the world and all thetechnology hub and the science
scientific work was getting doneby under ottoman empires times.
And West was sleeping.
And they came up with printingpress.
One of the biggest thing was.
The downfall of them was theydidn't adapt the printing press.
(22:24):
So West took over, they saidlet's start printing books.
And the other dudes were stuckin the old archaic system of
writing books.
So the information and theknowledge spread really fast.
Yeah.
So the time lapse is like hugeover there.
It's 150 years for them to fallcompletely.
But thing is back then it wasn'thuge enough.
(22:45):
For now it's, the.
it's big time.
But then again, that was thereason why it happened and
adopting that kind of technologyback then snowballed into what
happened in, in early 20thcentury to Ottoman Empire.
World War I and then stuff.
So that's just an example.
Then again by the end of 19thcentury industrial revolution
happened in America.
(23:05):
And things were changing.
There was a lot of humanresource required labor work was
used to do all of that.
And then as the, mechanics ofthe industry changed, and then
we came about different robots,mechanical robots or mechanical
systems which help automate,humans to perform, like, bigger
and better tasks, less humanswere acquired.
Brooke (23:27):
Yeah.
Umer (23:28):
And then we went into corporation when that happened
after Industrial Revolution,when corporations emerged and we
went from analog to digitals,things changed and computer came
into existence.
So.
How we use to perform officialtask through paperwork.
Yeah.
It went away.
Everything started becomingdigitalized or most of the stuff
started to become digitalized.
(23:49):
How we used to communicatechanged how we used to connect
change.
so coming to current times,
Brooke (23:56):
yes.
Umer (23:56):
same applies.
It's not something new.
Yeah.
It has been happening, so yougotta realize it.
And for me, the only differencethis time around is um the time
that is needed right now tochange the window is so short
that if you're overthinking, ifyou are procrastinating you're
not taking action, you won'thave time to catch up.
(24:18):
That's the only difference thatI see.
Yeah.
It's existential crisis for you,for your business.
If you don't adapt this change,people won't be able to relate.
big companies are alreadylooking for all those companies
even medium enterprises arelooking for all those people who
know ai.
And then, and if you see the jobposting by all those companies,
(24:40):
the first thing that they ask isHey, are you AI smart?
Are you AI literate?
Are you ai well-versed, ifyou're not, then they're not
even gonna consider you.
That's just the beginning ofthe, and for people who are not
gonna adapt.
For me we are going into thoselike, sci-fi movies in coming
years where they show there weretwo kinds of societies living,
one utopian societies whereYeah.
(25:01):
flying cars and thoseskyscrapers and everything high
tech com robots and then thereis, there are rogue people who
are living outside that boundarywall of utopian society who are
completely.
disconnected.
Yeah.
Who call them either Rogue orRebels or like, you know, oh, we
still doing the things thatlike, we used to, so we are
heading into those times, in myopinion, next five, six years
(25:25):
gonna be very evidential interms of hey, it's, the line has
been drawn and it's, it and thevoid.
It's gonna get bigger andbigger.
So for me it's it's imperative.
It's imperative.
For your existence, for yourcompany's existence, that you
have to cut the emotional partand be more analytical.
And be more pragmatic, prudent.
(25:47):
With every step that you takefor your future and for your
company's future and for yourfamily's future, Yeah.
that which part you're gonna beon.
So it's very clear, like I said,this utopian or the other
society.
So if you wanna stay here andyou wanna serve them, that's
absolutely fine by me.
I have nothing.
I have no qualms.
But if you want to be here andthen you wanna take advantage of
(26:07):
this, and then you wanna livehere you gotta cut the
sentimental emotional part.
Hey, I'm cutting my people,right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's this.
I know it's sad, but that's justhow it is.
If they were into this game,they would evolve themselves.
They would adapt AI and help youbuild your system and with your
businesses or your things.
(26:29):
And then they're gonna becomeindispensable.
Brooke (26:32):
Yeah.
Umer (26:32):
And you won't need to fire them, or you don't need to, you
won't need to get rid of them.
Yeah, so that's what I believe.
This is just part of the gameand it has been happening for
the past centuries now.
And it's interesting that we arepart of it.
Yes, We are witnessing itfirsthand.
Brooke (26:48):
I remember even early on in my career, even when I
learned computers, it was likefloppy discs and green screens
and I saw the progressionentering corporate and.
I used to fax things in thebeginnings, and then it was you
could use the printer to scanthings and, yeah.
Yeah.
So see the progression oftechnology and to your point,
(27:09):
really showing initiative tolearn these new tools and skills
and trades and adding value ifyou're working for someone else,
or I think it's never been amore empowering place to.
get in the driver's seat andstart building your own things.
Like what is it you wanna createfor yourself?
A hundred
Umer (27:26):
percent.
I think you have everythingavailable.
It's at your disposal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you want to become a personalbrand, if you wanna launch it,
if you do something and offersomething unique,
Brooke (27:36):
yes.
Umer (27:36):
You don't need a team anymore.
Yeah.
You may like, but not as huge atit was required few years back.
And right now after, so theprogression was like we
discussed industrial corporationduring Industrial Revolution,
the wealth was created.
Then during corporation level,corporates created the wealth.
And 2010s onward it has been.
(27:58):
Your personal brand, which hasbeen creating wealth, and as we
are going deeper into thecurrent technology it is
becoming more and more viable.
That soon we are gonna see.
It's just a speculation.
It's not something out of thinair.
Yes.
The signs are there that soon weare gonna see a company.
Run by a person and it's gonnabe a billion dollar company.
(28:19):
So we are living in those timeswhere you don't have any excuse.
Yeah.
The only excuse is yourself.
If you're not able to achieveanything that you think that you
are, that's your calling, that'syour purpose.
Things that you're passionateabout.
If you're not able to do it,it's only'cause of you and
nobody else.
It's not the money anymore.
It's not the people around you.
(28:40):
It's not the access of resourcesthat you require, nothing of
that so it is you it is me.
And I tell this to myself everyday that I couldn't do certain
tasks.
It has nothing to do with howbusy I was.
It's just that me.
Yeah.
I see yeah, of course.
The upside is huge.
Yeah.
So is the downside, but yeah yougotta think positive.
Brooke (29:02):
Yeah.
Umer (29:02):
You're not supposed to fear it.
You gotta start learning it, youstart adapting it.
And there's gonna be learningcurve initially, and it's gonna
be difficult as humans.
We hate being in uncomfortablepositions.
Without pain there is no growth.
We all know that.
So time to take action.
Brooke (29:18):
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One thing I wanna touch on,because I love interviewing
parents when it comes to thistime of AI impact and education
during our masterminds, you'vedone such a great job at demoing
(30:22):
automation tools.
I've seen you do make.com NAN,Zapier and most recently you did
such a cool presentation whereyou connected with your son and
he did a live stream and.
He talked about how he'screating faceless accounts on
YouTube.
There's a couple things I wannatouch on when it comes to AI in
children.
(30:44):
One is how you're approachingtheir education now that this is
on the rise and what you findvalue in teaching them.
And two is why do you thinkchildren have such an easier
transition to adapting ai?
And there seems to be lessresistance there compared to
adults?
Umer (31:04):
Yeah.
It's simple.
It has always been like that.
So we were really good withcomputers as compared to our
parents.
'cause we open eyes and in timeswhere computer already existed.
So we saw those things.
Growing up we started playingwith computers, with mouse and
keyboards.
Video games.
So our environment had thosegadgets.
And if you compare it with ourparents and generation before us
(31:25):
it was all alien to them, Right?
And then the beautiful thing iswe sometimes believe that, hey,
this has a lot to do with theparenting, stuff parenting
methods and techniques and allof that.
Yes, to a certain degree, ofcourse.
A kid who is not aware of whattechnologies exists And hasn't
experienced it firsthand, wouldnever understand what it is.
And is gonna be way behind ascompared to the kids, like, who
(31:48):
grew up and see all those thingsand and has been playing within
those things, of yes.
But at the same time i thinkcurrently the generation, which
is growing up in this ecosystemis gonna be far more i must say,
I don't wanna say intelligent,they're not gonna be
intelligent.
(32:09):
I think human intelligence isgonna go down, but they're far
more smarter in terms of gettingtheir goals.
Okay.
As compared to us.
And the main reason is that theyknow how to use.
Certain tools to get certainthings as humans grow up.
They develop ego, they developcertain habits.
(32:31):
And those habits they're stuckto you.
And it's so difficult to changeas you grow older.
So you try and avoid adopt newthings.
That's nothing but human nature.
I think so the next generationis gonna, always gonna find a
shortcut'cause that's what theyhave already tasted.
Brooke (32:48):
Okay.
Umer (32:48):
But of course, like I said, it has got an upside and
it has got a downside.
And as we see it right now,everyone is looking for
shortcuts.
They're gonna earn successpretty easily and they're gonna
lose it pretty easily, superfast.
So it's gonna be going up superfast.
And if you're not putting in thework, and if you're not used to
it it's going down super fasttoo.
(33:10):
Or somebody else is going wayfaster, way higher than you are.
So that's the race that I see.
But the important thing is forme as a parent, and then you
touched upon kids this issomething which is gonna be
their world.
That's their oyster.
Yeah.
It's for me it's, um The onlything that I can do is introduce
them to, and that's what I didwith my kid.
(33:32):
So there's a project that I dowith my kids every month.
I give them a topic, notnecessarily tech topic.
But any topic in life.
It could be politicalgeopolitical geographical and
emerging tech human sciences.
I just give them any topic andthey present to me and my wife.
And then I, read about them, wegive them score.
Wow.
And then on, base off thatpresentation they can read out
(33:55):
through a paper.
They can give a completepresentation.
It can be exem poor, they canseek anybody's help.
So there's no restriction, butthey have to present it in front
of us, all of us.
Wow.
So they do that.
And my kid, the one that you sawand then you present it in front
of everyone?
I never got a name like, deepinto about AI or any of the
technology.
I just, in around 2022 or maybeearly 2023, I just gave them a
(34:19):
project like, hey there's athing called ai.
You gotta go research and giveus.
Next week it's gonnapresentation on that.
Wow.
so from that point onward he gotobsessed with it.
And then he ventured into ithimself.
So all the tools that he's usingthat he's shared with everyone,
it was all his research.
Cool.
So he went online and he did allof that and he's playing with
(34:39):
it.
I've never forced him to doanything.
So as a parent it's veryimportant that we introduce them
and let them be supervise howthey approach things.
Yes, of course they're gonna bequestions.
Our job is to answer thosequestion.
And, and the biggest thing thatwe can do right now is with all
of that's the easy part.
the hard part is the mindset.
(35:01):
I think we all need to work onthe mindset of our kids right
now because I think that is moreimportant than anything else.
As parents, as elders assiblings if you're an older
sibling and you have youngerones, it's our job.
'Cause this technology is sopowerful in both meanings good
and bad.
(35:21):
And it's so easy to get lostwith the kind of power that you
feel while using this.
And without knowing if you'renot like, conscious enough and
aware, self aware enough, and.
Aware of the consequences.
It can take you really far onthe dark side.
Yeah.
So for me, nowadays they'realready, they have access to
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internet, they have access toeverything.
But there are certain rulesthat, and protocols in in my
house that they cannot access itin their rooms.
Okay.
So they, they're not allowed touse mobile phones or laptops in
rooms.
It happens in the living area,in the lounge area.
That's my rule Because it has tobe supervised.
Yeah.
So that's what I believe, butthen the most time that I spend
(36:06):
with my kids is on now theirmindset.
That's the reality of it.
I show them how important it isthat life's not gonna be easy
with all the tools that they'regetting.
Yes.
They're still gonna need a lotof hard work, perseverance, and
the most important thing,discipline.
So I try and inculcate thosevalues.
I try and inculcate how they'regonna be, still gonna be
(36:28):
challenges.
I work on those then like in atechnology'cause as you
discussed earlier they're gonnaget better than I am in
technology and how to use thetechnology.
Brooke (36:37):
I love that.
I had the opportunity to touch alittle bit more about that and
parenting because I think it'ssuch an important topic right
now.
So thank you for sharing that.
My next segue is going to be alittle bit.
Fun I get to ask everybody Iinterview.
Because You are already creatinga lot and you've been in the
space for a while, but what isnot out there yet?
(36:59):
And if you could wave a magicwand and create something, maybe
you've seen the capabilities outthere more than most.
If you could create anythingright now, what would you put
out there using ai?
Umer (37:11):
Wow.
That is such a good question.
That is such a good question.
I think the most common answeris gonna be portals.
Brooke (37:19):
Portals.
Yeah.
Umer (37:20):
Portals.
I think time traveling.
Or moving from one point to theother by just stepping into a
vortex or a portal.
Think just like in Star Trek orall that.
So we used to watch as growingup, so that was really
fascinating.
I think that is something that
Brooke (37:32):
can happen.
Umer (37:33):
Yeah, can definitely happen Yeah.
the way science is.
Now they have been able to moveI think a quantum, atom and they
have been able to like, move itfrom one space to the other.
And the experiments are goingon.
But interesting fact is yes.
Time travel portal.
Yeah.
and that's the most common.
Brooke (37:52):
Yeah.
I think with this technology andthis empowerment, I see
advancements in the medicalfield and so if I had to wave a
magic wand, I like to answerdifferently for every guest.
I think just lately being inBali and surrounded by so much
pollution, I know that there arealready solutions out there to
turning plastic into oil andthings of that nature.
I think that now that we havethe.
(38:14):
Technology and the tools to useAI for good, and how do we solve
real world problems like trashand pollution and
infrastructure.
It's just so prevalent in mymind while here in Bali.
But I think we're at time and Ijust wanna thank you so much for
sharing more about yourbackground, how you came into
(38:35):
ai.
And the most important thingthat really hit me today was
just the mindset shift that weall need to take and with
ourselves and.
Our teams and with the futuregenerations.
So I just really appreciate yourtime today and I wanna just open
the floor for any closingremarks and how can listeners
get in contact with you?
What's the best way to reachyou?
Umer (38:56):
Yeah.
Through social media.
You can connect either LinkedIn,Instagram, as well Not on
snapchat or anything.
So my name is oer, UMER.
Hadeed, H-A-D-E-E-D so you cansearch Umer Hadeed Yes.
on any of these platforms.
You can send a dm, you can reachout to me and then if you have
any query, if I can be of anyhelp I would love to so that's
(39:19):
my calling too, so yeah, wouldlove to connect with you all.
Thank you for having me, Brooke.
Yes.
And my last leaving note wouldbe like, it's important.
To when, when we are making adecision is to be okay with the
worst case scenario.
And and if you're okay with theworst case scenario, then go for
it.
Yeah.
And right now the importantthing is, and I've seen this
(39:40):
example in front of me and thenI would share it with everyone.
It's time to take action.
We are living in times where ifyou know everything.
It doesn't matter.
Unless, or until you're takingactions.
Yes.
So for you, for me, foreverybody else who's listening
and around us it's importantthat you start applying what you
(40:00):
know.
Because if you're not gonnaapply, you're not gonna know
what, where it needs fixing howbetter You need it.
And how badly you need it.
And what are the changes thatyou need to make, to improve?
So that's as important.
Yeah, right now.
Brooke (40:14):
Very beautiful.
Last point indeed.
So thank you so much Umer.
I appreciate you.
Umer (40:19):
Thank you for having me, Brooke.
It was lovely chatting with you.
Brooke (40:23):
I hope today's episode opened your mind to what's
possible with ai.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
See you on the next episode ofHow I Ai.
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