July 9, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on “How I AI” I’m joined by Natalia Tkacheva, AKA Meta Muse, an AI artist, FemTech founder, and the creative force behind one of the most visionary avatar platforms being built today.
Based between Bali and Dubai, Natalia is helping shape the next era of identity, content, and automation with AI-powered digital avatars and agents that create, post, and even sell on your behalf 24/7.
From her Soviet manufacturing roots to vibe coding her business with her voice, this episode dives deep into what it really means to build the future through consciousness, creativity, and scalable automation.
If you’ve ever dreamed of scaling your personal brand without being on camera, launching a product without a full team, or turning your digital essence into a media presence.. this one will expand your entire perspective.
🎧 Tune in now to explore a future where your avatar can build, post, sell, and even teach without you lifting a finger.
🔥 Topics We Cover:
- How Natalia’s creating a one-stop platform to build and launch an AI avatar-led brand
- What it means to vibe code and build tech using your voice and intention
- Why she believes cloning consciousness is the next frontier of digital legacy
- How her avatar agency helps creators automate content, marketing, and monetization
- The philosophy behind “delay your impermanence” and live infinitely through tech
- Her bold predictions for multi-metaverses and the future of FemTech + AI
🧰 Tools Mentioned in This Episode:
AI Creation & Content Tools:
Midjourney, ChatGPT, Telegram bots, Pinterest (for vision boarding), Gabit Ring (biometric tracking)
Automation & Avatars:
Custom AI agents, voice-based vibe coding systems, Natalia’s proprietary avatar platform
📲 Connect with Natalia (Meta Muse):
Instagram: nataly_tkacheva
Stay tuned—her full international AI avatar platform is launching soon.
Other Concepts Mentioned:
DigitalDNA Labs (legacy & grief AI)
Natalia’s Telegram Neuro photo AI Avatar Bot
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Brooke (00:03):
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Hi everyone.
Today I share this space withMeta Muse.
(01:29):
She's the largest land owner inthe Metaverse.
She's a pioneer in the Fem TechAI space, and not only a tech
founder and artist, but someonewho's literally building the
future.
She's building a new kind ofagency and platform that
combines digital avatars, AIagents, and content creation
tools.
(01:49):
All designed to helpentrepreneurs scale their
presence online, automate theirbusiness, and express their
creativity through technology.
We talk about building mediaavatars that speak for you,
creating AI agents that run fullmarketing departments, and what
it means to vibe code with yourvoice to manifest an AI built
business.
(02:11):
Natalia brings a unique blend ofspiritual awareness and
technical ambition, and she'sdeeply passionate about women
reclaiming their freedom throughautomation.
This episode wraps up my seriesof interviews with the
incredible speakers from TheCollective's, AI Hacker House
and Mastermind in Bali thissummer.
(02:31):
So if you haven't listened toany of the previous episodes
where I interviewed each of thespeakers, don't miss out on
them.
Today's episode is compact, sogive yourself a moment to drop
in.
Alright, let's dive in.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofHow I AI I'm your host, Brooke
Gramer.
Today I have a very specialguest.
(02:53):
I'm here in Bali, Indonesia, andI had the opportunity to
interview Natalia Meta Muse.
She's a developer and ametaverse architect.
Natalia, thank you so much forbeing here and welcome.
Natalia (03:05):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Hi everyone.
I'm really happy to be here.
In amazing Bali to speak abouttechnologies.
Brooke (03:12):
I'd love to just open the floor.
We'd love to hear more aboutyou.
You have such a vast backgroundand experience.
Can you share more aboutyourself?
Natalia (03:21):
Sure, sure.
I can.
That's why I'm here.
So I've been in technologieslike since 2010, I think.
Mm-hmm.
So more than 13 years I startedmy own company when I was like
really young.
'Cause yeah, I wanted to savethis world from routine.
(03:42):
'cause I'm also very creative.
And you know, before thetechnologies it was a lot of,
paper routine in the businesses.
And so when I just understoodthat we can do a lot of things
with the help of these tools, Iimmediately started to develop
solutions like onlineaggregators, online services for
(04:02):
businesses, like uniting clientswith production, let's say.
Then I bought my own SovietUnion manufacturer.
Wow.
Titanium manufacturer.
Yeah.
And uh, totally renew it.
It was.
50 years old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Practically bankruptmanufacturer.
And so with the help ofcommunity, with the help of
(04:25):
technologies we really made itlike number one on the market in
half a year.
Brooke (04:30):
That's incredible.
Yeah.
Because
Natalia (04:31):
we developed online web service that connected custom
doctors to our manufacturer,they could arrange different and
order different things straightdirectly through online
services, delivery, logistics,marketing.
So I really love this stuffbecause it gave me opportunity
more than six years to just totravel the world to have passive
(04:54):
income.
And it worked like algorithm.
24/7 without me.
So this is my greatest talent,to use technology.
To save your time for life.
Yes.
To be more creative, to makesongs, to travel all over the
world.
So business should be yourfoundation and support you in
(05:16):
your life journey.
Yes.
Not be the slave of yourbusiness.
So this is my main let's saymessage to this world.
Delegate all the routinesmm-hmm.
To technology and just createand be free.
Brooke (05:31):
You had such a young entrepreneurial experience and
got to really hone that aspectof your life early on and reach
that level of self actualizationand attaining the next step up.
Such a beautiful message toshare because I think AI brings
us this amazing benefit to beable to lean more into our
(05:51):
passions and purpose andcreative spirit.
Natalia (05:54):
That's why I really recognized this technology and I
saw it very early.
Maybe three, four years ago.
Because I am in already.
Yeah.
I'm inside the developer spaceand when we saw this magic.
We were like, oh my God.
This world will change forever.
(06:15):
We were in touch with Midjourneywhen it just appeared, okay.
It was creating like one pieceof art, eight minutes.
I think we were waiting with sixfingers.
Do you remember this?
I remember the six fingers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And after like half a year itstarted to deliver amazing
things.
So we started to use AI in ourbusiness and Web3 business, in
(06:40):
blockchain immediately.
And one of the company that Iwas like, muse and a partner,
the founder, just with the helpof MidJourney and ChatGPT with
the help of two tools launch theproduct.
Now it's two and a half milliondollars.
Wow.
And he produced, 500,000 piecesof art by himself with the help
(07:03):
of AI.
That's cool.
And before it was likepractically, impossible.
It was like millions of dollarsof investments.
So then he calculated in twoyears that he saved, uh.
10,000 hrs employers time.
Wow.
Yeah.
With the help of two tools.
Yeah.
So we discovered it reallyearly.
(07:24):
Started to implement it likeimmediately.
And now we have a lot ofpractical results and in
different companies that weimplemented on the early stage.
This became the leaders of themarket.
The leaders.
Wow.
So this is the time.
Brooke (07:39):
So midjourney and ChatGPT were your gateway into
using AI, can you share a littlebit more about the systems and
operations that got you into thespace and more about what you
use now to create all theamazing things that you're
producing.
Natalia (07:55):
Okay.
For me as a woman, as an artistbecause, yeah.
I love art.
I love to create digital art.
I also had my NFT collections.
So my first like bitcoin, thetotal amount of money of
Bitcoin.
I earned by launching my NFTcollection.
Art is a Woman.
(08:15):
Wow.
So I sold like, it's 22,000dollars.
It was just a piece of digitalart.
And so for me it was like.
Yeah.
I can create art, monetize art.
And uh, uh, do some amazingvisuals because I am woman, yes.
And for me, I always try toproduce something and develop
(08:35):
something in technologies thatmakes this world more beautiful.
Mm.
I love that.
I love muses my name isMetamuse.
I have the community of Muses.
I love all this goddess style.
And now we are creating our ownplatform where you can create
your avatar.
And to manifest your big dreamswhen you can project your
(08:56):
future, when you can see your,yourself in different realities.
So usually we do visual boards.
But take photos from Pinterest,and now you can create your own
avatar, save it in memory.
Like a platform, like body scanof you.
Yes.
And then you can create anyvideos or photos, any realities
(09:19):
with your own avatar, like amain hero.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like a kind of Marvelwe're creating now, or Disney?
Yes.
Where you can be the mainactors, the main hero in social
media through your digitalavatars, yeah.
Brooke (09:34):
Yeah.
We did such a cool workshoptogether at the Mastermind.
Yeah.
Where you brought us throughthis whole process.
We used Telegram.
We used Chat GPT, and we wereable to make our own digital
avatars.
And it was really cool to seethat come into place.
It just took a bit of back andforth prompting and fine tuning
and you guided us all And it wasreally fun to see everybody's AI
(09:57):
avatar.
Can you share more aboutcreating that on Telegram and
also expand on the influencerspace and the avatar space?
Because I think you also workwith an agency for avatars as
well, is that correct?
Natalia (10:14):
Actually we are now agency.
If you ask me what tools isbetter to use.
Mm-hmm.
We are building our platform, soyou need just to have one tool,
our platform.
That's great.
And behind this platform, wehave more than 30 AI tools and
solutions That's great.
So for what we are doing to makelife more easy, mm-hmm.
(10:36):
Because even when we started toeducate people or women how to
create a brand avatar, visualsand so on.
We understood that it's likemore than 20 platforms.
And every platform has its ownsubscription.
Yes.
So you need to pay like$500 amonth.
So that's why we like united allsolutions that you need to
(11:00):
produce content in our one tool,the subscription is like$10 a
month and you can use everythingthat you need.
We are creating our ownsolutions and now we are
becoming an agency too.
Mm-hmm.
For creation, done for you,virtual influencers that can run
(11:21):
your blog, that can producecontent 24/7.
Wow.
Uh, That can run your socialmedia, virtual influencers that
can uh, sell your product.
Virtual influencers for brands.
Wow.
So, This is my new passion.
I don't think it's new, likemaybe half a year in AI.
It's a lot.
(11:42):
It's like, 10 years before, inthis sphere.
So this is our focus right nowbecause you can learn how to do
all of this, but it'll take youa lot of time.
Yeah.
And now any person or brand cancome to us and say, okay, I want
to be famous.
I want to have not just mydigital avatar, I want to make
(12:04):
it like a media person.
Mm-hmm.
I want to promote my brandthrough my avatar.
I don't want to be in camera.
Yeah.
With my face, I want to live mylife.
Yes.
And so we like clone people.
Yeah.
Then we install a consciousnessin inside the brains.
We have this solution to Wow.
(12:25):
And make avatar with a consciousmind.
Brooke (12:29):
Wow.
I love having the opportunity tointerview creators.
Because typically I ask, what'syour tech stack?
What are you using?
But then when I speak to peoplethat are really building, it's
more so, oh, I'm building my owntools, my own platforms.
Mm-hmm.
And that's really the next levelphase.
I know a lot of people are inthat space right now where
they're just building andthere's gonna be really amazing
(12:51):
things coming out in the nextcouple years.
I'm excited to see what comes ofyour solutions in your products,
and will definitely subscribe.
It's very affordable,$10 amonth, and I love that you have
all of the answers in one spacebecause it can get quite
expensive when you're having tosubscribe to so many different
things to have one end result inproduct.
Natalia (13:13):
Yeah.
Because about AI, it's a tool tosave your time mm-hmm.
for life.
And it's hundreds, thousands oftools coming every day.
Yes.
And so you will lose your timeof life by trying to analyze
everything.
So you don't need to think much.
Yeah.
You just have one tool thatanswers all your questions.
Brooke (13:32):
That's perfect.
You spoke a lot about yourpassion for supporting women in
this space, and we're superaligned in that way.
It's never been a moreempowering time as a woman to
really take control of ourdreams and our creativity and
what it is that we feel ourmission and purpose is in this
lifetime.
Can you share more about FemTechand everything you're doing in
(13:54):
this space?
Natalia (13:54):
Yeah.
FemTech is my favorite worldnow.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's technologies for female andwe are actually building it with
a female team mostly.
Mm-hmm.
On the front face.
But of course we have likeamazing developers.
Of course you need to educateyourself by how to build all
these agents and platforms.
(14:16):
Now we are building ourplatform, not through
developers, but we have a shiftnow, big shift in humanity.
Yes.
What we're doing, because noweach member of our team create
their own AI agent, AIdepartment, and now we are
scaling with the help of AIagents, so we educate and update
(14:38):
and upgrade the brain of eachand every member.
Me to in this process.
And this is like a crazy shiftin the history of humanity.
Yes.
It's crazy.
So even now, our platform isbuilding with the voice and with
the help of AI agent, they'rebuilding platform with the code.
(14:59):
With no human.
Brooke (15:00):
So they're vibe coding, via voice?
Natalia (15:02):
Yes.
Vibe coding via voice.
I think 99% of the world, don'tunderstand what's going on, so
vibe coding, it's like, you cansit, Look on the sunset, vibe
with your AI agent and say,okay, build me a platform.
Build me let's say unicorncompany.
(15:24):
That will bring me in two yearsthese results.
Mm-hmm.
Organize all the platform, allthe marketing campaign,
everything create for me.
And this is my bank account andopen the company for me.
And that's it.
And your AI agents will do allthis work for you you need just
(15:45):
to tell them what results youreally want to achieve.
And what impact you really wantto create this world.
So actually you need to buildsomething and to create some
product that humanity needs fromyou right now.
Mm-hmm.
So this is a solution when onecreator can run, one founder,
let's say, yes, can run like amulti-billion dollars company.
(16:08):
With help of one laptop.
So we're going to this stage.
Just with one laptop with ourarmy of AI agents.
My mind shifted so much.
I understood like, okay, it's soeasy.
Everybody who can do this willdo this if it's already real?
But then I understood thereality of human brain and human
(16:30):
narrow system.
That to go to this new level.
You need completely to reeducateyour mindset and you need to
learn how to use this tool.
It's very stressful every daythat I'm learning, I see all
these codes, you need to connecta lot of tools.
We're doing this with ourmentor, with IT, very high level
(16:51):
developers.
So even for me, I'm really openfor all new technologies.
I can educate myself really veryfast.
But it's really hard to educateyour brain.
You need to have true passion togo through this, to became like
programmer of the reality.
Actually it's a tool where youcan learn how you can manifest
(17:15):
your reality.
Yes.
Even like in Bible at thebeginning it was word, it was
prompt, mm-hmm.
And what you will say you willcreate in this world, and this
is a fucking big responsibility.
Brooke (17:27):
Wow.
Yeah.
I think you touched on suchimportant points about we're
having to completely rewire theway that we think and the way
that we create and learning howto speak to AI, how to very
clearly and effectively be ableto communicate your goals.
Natalia (17:45):
That's true.
Even let's say like yesterday.
Mm-hmm.
I already did my voice agent.
So like, please install mesomething on my computer.
Please build me something.
And it started to code somethingand I see the results.
Okay.
And I was like, okay.
And my mentor, he teach me howto communicate with the AI
(18:06):
agents.
This is a sign, this would beone of the biggest, direction in
education.
How to prompt your agent.
Yeah.
How to communicate with youragent.
Brooke (18:17):
Yeah.
Natalia (18:17):
Because I told him to do something he didn't
understand and he started to docompletely another thing.
Ah.
So you need to think twice.
Yes.
'cause it starts immediately todo what you asked.
It's like universe, just thinkwhat you ask.
Brooke (18:35):
Oh, yes,
Natalia (18:35):
yes, yes.
And this, I think how we can bemore, wise, be more specific.
Specific by actually.
Be more exact in what you reallywant.
Mm.
Because it happens like inseconds.
And.
If something, let's say, let'sproject that you can say some
(18:56):
bullshit to your agent and youhave a billion dollar company
already and your departmentstart to crash Yeah.
So everything can collapse likein two minutes too.
So this is a stage where we needto really protect our thoughts.
And that's why I think I'manalyzing the space.
(19:16):
Mm-hmm.
Who are already in, who are likeusing this vibe coding, cutting
edge technologies in AI.
What I see, that this companythis understanding and
implementing of thesetechnologies can come only to
special type of mindset, let'ssay.
Mm-hmm.
Very open mindset.
(19:37):
Mm-hmm.
Very spiritual mindset.
Mm-hmm.
Our developers, they're veryspiritual.
They do yoga, they aremeditating.
Yeah.
They have straight directchannel to the space.
That's beautiful.
So they are very spiritual.
They're mm-hmm veryopen-hearted.
They're unprogrammed.
They're like a people of NewWorld, who did a lot of work
(20:00):
with themselves mm-hmm.
To become this endlessconsciousness because this
information can go inside theirhead.
If you have block mind, if youhave system mind.
Mm-hmm.
We'll never understand this.
So this is like a straightdirect connection,
consciousness, spirituality.
Mm-hmm.
Body, bio hackers, and the newtechnologies.
Brooke (20:23):
It makes sense that you have to have already done a lot
of the work arounddeconditioning from systems and
processes that you grew up withon this input creates this
output.
Yeah, because it's completelyrewriting that's true.
The game.
That's true.
Yeah.
I would love to unpack a bitmore because I love hearing
(20:44):
about how people work withagents, and it sounds like you
already have a lot in yourbusiness.
Could you maybe give oneexample, because it seems like
you create them all in house andhave an amazing team of
developers.
Could you give an example ofwhat is one agent that has saved
you a bunch of time and one thatyou use frequently and explain
(21:05):
that process.
Okay.
Natalia (21:07):
I started to educate myself how to use agent.
Mm-hmm.
The first time when I receivedmy first agent to build my
department of producer, and wejust installed a lot of tools.
I have this ring that scan mymeasurements.
It was a lot of stress for me.
It's a Gabit ring.
I'm like, I'm building myagents.
(21:30):
Oh my God, it's so stressful.
Because before to be honest, asa visionary, as a woman, I try
to build everything with thehelp of my developers.
Mm-hmm.
I didn't use my hands to buildthis, but now I can use my
voice.
It's another level.
So with my voice, what is thedifference if I say this task to
(21:53):
my developer., And he will saythis task to his agent.
We try not to use people.
No money can be more valuablethan freedom and your time of
love, yeah.
In time of when you can reallyenjoy this world.
Mm-hmm.
I'm reeducating myself not touse humans and just to tell this
(22:14):
task to my agent.
Okay?
And so for me, it's like, oh myGod, I need to trust technology.
I need to control technology,and I need avatar, to connect
with technology.
So this is my steps.
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yesterday.
Yeah.
Could you share like what anexample would be?
Okay.
Natalia (23:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when I understood that we canhave all the agents, let's say
to post in social media mm-hmm.
To write your email, mm-hmm.
Agent assistant, we have agentsactually inside our team, even
in chat.
We have agent that control thetimelines and control our
schedule, do reminders, so wesay please remind us to do this,
(23:48):
this, and this.
Brooke (23:49):
They all have different names.
Yeah,
Natalia (23:51):
yeah.
Sure.
It's your employer, right?
It's your employer.
It's yeah.
You have a name of it.
I see now how amazing they workagents that moderate big
communities.
It's really like, big bigsolution for everybody who have
strong and big communities.
Yes.
(24:11):
'cause usually in the chat, youneed to respond to reply to
different questions, aboutorganizing, about all of this.
But when you have your agent inchat, it can control and guide
people.
That's awesome.
With your knowledge I have agentmarketing and the agent of
unpackaging your product or yourmission in this world.
(24:31):
Because before I used to do alot of mentoring sessions with
the people just to understandthe big purpose in life.
Let's say, person can come to meand say, I have a lot of life
experience.
Mm-hmm.
I have this education, thiseducation, and millions of
talents.
(24:51):
That now he doesn't know what todo with this, and people come to
me to ask for a roadmap, whatthey can do with the help of all
this knowledge, inner resourcesand external resources to go to
AI to build something with AI,and before it took me like three
days to unpackage all of this.
(25:11):
Wow.
Now I build my AI agent that doeverything without me, that's
incredible.
And uh, deliver the betterresults and better roadmap, like
1000 time better than I can dopersonally because it's not only
my knowledge, it's knowledge ofall my mentors.
(25:32):
I educate my agent with thebooks that I read already.
I educate with some articles,with some knowledge, with some
scientific proof mm-hmm.
With some marketing solutionsthat I give to this person to
understand their inner mission.
Mm-hmm.
And to produce this mission withthe help of technologists in the
(25:53):
forums of product, what is thebest product for you to create
in this world.
And you have numerology,astrology, yes.
And all the stuff.
I think more than 100 peoplealready passed through my agent,
so you need to delegate this.
Uh, Also like the first thingthat I saved my time was
(26:15):
creating my avatar mentor thatcould speak like real me mm-hmm.
in real time and interact withpeople in the Zooms, or on my
websites, when people started toask me Natalie, please explain
us how to use AI, how to usethis, how to use this I have
questions because I'm also ablogger and influencer when I
(26:37):
discover some new technology, Ishare about this experience in
my social media.
Mm-hmm.
And then I receive a ton ofquestions, how the people can
use it.
Of course.
And I understood like, okay.
Now I need to steal my personaltime of life.
Mm-hmm.
By explaining to the people howthey can use it.
(26:58):
It's again, against of mymission, be free and create, so
I tried to find and implementimmediately the solution that
can clone me.
'Cause I have limited capacityof my time in this world.
I try to do clones, to doavatars.
Mm-hmm.
To do everything so people, cancommunicate, my agent with your
(27:19):
agent.
While we are sleeping, ouravatars can make podcasts, let's
say it's already real.
So again, what we are doing, weare building one solution, that
will help people to come to openour platform and say, okay, I
want to create my avatar andlaunch a business and my product
(27:43):
I want to produce content 24/7.
This is my knowledge base and Iwant to go to Instagram,
YouTube, and TikTok with myavatar and with my product.
Can you please make me a systemthat can produce content, make
me media, and sell my product24/7.
Thank you.
Bye, this is a payment link.
(28:04):
Wow.
Yeah.
So we are building thisplatform.
Brooke (28:07):
That's incredible.
And one thing I wanna dig into,because it sounds like you've
made a ton of agents, a lot ofclones.
Yeah.
Yeah, you've done a lot ofamazing work for other people
and you've figured out how tohave that live on and replicate
it.
Is this what you mean by addingyour consciousness to AI?
(28:30):
I wanna unpack that becausethat's very sci-fi Is that what
you mean by consciousness?
Natalia (28:36):
It's exactly what I mean.
It's about this scientificprognosis.
Mm-hmm.
About infinity life in yourdigital Yes.
Body.
This is what I mean.
Yeah.
And what we were discussing withmy friend she's biohacker.
What it is bio hacking?
It's about longevity.
It's about people now they wantto live as much long as they
(28:57):
can.
Mm-hmm.
And this is about also an innerguiding of soul to extend life
and experience in healthy body.
It's about also, inner wish tolive forever because our soul is
unlimited, just our body islimited.
So I think what we are doing nowas a humanity.
(29:17):
We are trying to delay our,impermanence.
Yes.
Yes.
To live longer.
And at the same time, with thehelp of technologies, we try to
create a new model that can saveour consciousness for our next
generations.
(29:38):
And to live infinity in ourdigital body.
So this is what we are doing,mm-hmm.
when we are copying we have likea special system that can copy
your consciousness as much asit's possible.
Yeah.
We have a Questionary 300questions about your psycho
(30:01):
system about your experienceslike mm-hmm.
Small, small, small, smalldetails, just to create your
avatar.
Just to pack your consciousness,inside the avatar.
But we are not doing is justwith your one consciousness.
'cause we have a form where youcan upload books, upload
knowledge base, or differentpeople connect with this cloud.
(30:25):
And we can choose what knowledgeto add, what information to add
in your consciousness.
Brooke (30:32):
Yes.
I recently went to a conferencein Miami called Emerge, and it
was a lot of technologycompanies and I might get the
name wrong.
I think it was called somethinglike DNA Labs.
Mm-hmm.
I could be confusing it, butthey also had this whole legacy
package.
Yeah.
Where you could someone who'sgrieving, someone who passed,
have this whole digital uploadof them and be able to still
(30:56):
speak to them.
And it's so fascinating whensci-fi movies start to really
come
Natalia (31:01):
Yeah.
To,
Brooke (31:02):
to fruition.
I,
Natalia (31:03):
I think like in, even in two years, it would be like,
okay.
Brooke (31:07):
Yeah.
Natalia (31:07):
Yeah.
Brooke (31:08):
So fascinating.
So one of my favorite questionsto ask, and this might even be
hard for you because you alreadyhave been producing and creating
amazing things and have a lot ofstuff coming out this year and
next, but what's next for you?
Or if you could wave a magicwand and create something that's
not there yet, and this mightactually be easy for you because
(31:29):
you create in the metaverseevery day.
Mm-hmm.
And I believe are like mm-hmm.
The biggest owner of land inthat space.
What could you create with AIthat isn't there yet?
Like what are you okay dreamingup right now?
Natalia (31:42):
Actually, like, I'm not a dreamer.
I really am see the future.
Mm-hmm.
And this is like one of my mainproblem too, because I see the
future and when I speak topeople, like what is coming?
They don't believe, they thinkI'm crazy, but it's always
there.
As you told that, yeah I have alot of land in Metaverse.
We have like cities in Metaversetoo.
(32:05):
And the biggest challenge waswhen we started to create cities
in Metaverse mm-hmm.
Was like, oh my god.
I have a lot of job to do in myreal world.
Yeah.
Then I have a land in Metaversesand my avatars and everything
that I need to build in virtualworld.
When you wear AR glasses mm-hmm.
(32:28):
You can be any place, podcaststudio, and the Space Temple, in
the flying temple.
You can meet in the Metaverseyou will be in Miami.
Mm-hmm.
I will be like in Dubai.
And we can wear our glasses athome, on our kitchen and
communicate with each other oreven make a podcast It's
amazing.
Yeah.
Brooke (32:46):
Yeah.
Natalia (32:46):
So I don't need to waste so much time to fly to
speak to you.
This is a solution.
But to build in Metaverse, it'slike it was building in real
world, you need to find adevelopers you need to spend a
lot of time there.
And it was kinda very hard,because at that moment, four
(33:09):
years ago there was not so muchtraffic inside, we were just
building in the desert, and atthe same time we had our real
life.
And then you have some kind ofmeeting and gathering in
Metaverse.
You need to go to choose youravatar and spend your physical
time in Metaverse too.
So what is happening right now,we can do our AI agents, we can
(33:36):
educate clone our knowledge,then our agents can already
operate like us, do some tasks.
So let's say three, five years,right?
What is happening?
Metaverse is still there butit's still not with AI.
It's still, if you need to go toMetaverse, you need to be
(33:58):
personally, you as avatar,connect with your avatar and go
inside Okay.
The metaverse with your realphysical body.
And spend your real physicaltime.
So what is happening right now?
Yeah.
We are educating ourconsciousness.
Mm-hmm.
Our clone information ai brain,copy.
(34:21):
So we are educating ourconsciousness, then this
consciousness can go, let's say,through my platform mm-hmm.
Through our platform to socialmedia and live without you.
And add without you, and sellwithout you, and consult without
you in the form and the shape ofyour digital avatar.
Wow.
In social media.
Yeah.
It can go, it'll work.
(34:42):
It's already there.
Yes.
But the next level is metaverse.
Brooke (34:48):
Metaverse.
It's
Natalia (34:49):
waiting when I don't need to go with my physical
body.
Yes.
I could send my consciousnessmm-hmm.
Inside my avatar, and I can sendmy consciousness not in one
metaverse in multi, multi, multimultiverses.
So our avatars, ourconsciousness, can in one
(35:10):
metaverse, do podcast and streamit to the world.
Wow.
In another metaverse, businessmetaverse, they can create
partnerships and create theirown unicorns.
In another metaverse, they cando some Academy for Women and
share the knowledge our avatarsand also create education
(35:32):
system, so we are going to thelevel of multi, not metaverse.
Multi metaverses with AIconsciousness where millions
copies of you can live and playyour own game with your own
role.
Brooke (35:47):
Yes.
Natalia (35:48):
It's kind of close what we are having right now in this
game life and this is alreadyexisting and operating because
we can, with the help of ouravatars mm-hmm.
Live different lives.
Brooke (36:00):
That's a lot to unpack.
It seems like a lot of differentoptions to be creating ripple
effects and impacts and to scaleourselves and our skills and our
mission and our purpose.
So I'll have to think more onthat.
And thank you for sharing a lotmore about the Metaverse.
It's my first opportunity toreally speak more to someone
(36:22):
about it.
I do want to.
Open the floor for closingremarks and anything that you
wanna leave listeners with.
Keeping in mind my audience forthe most part, are people new to
the AI space.
Maybe hearing a lot of thingsthat you're sharing here for the
first time.
Any words of encouragement orfinal remarks that you want to
(36:44):
share?
Natalia (36:46):
Don't afraid of the of the technologies.
Mm-hmm.
Especially I'm saying this towomen because for some women it
is very scary.
Mm-hmm.
Because there are a lot of likeversions of the future.
And some versions are reallyunbeautiful.
Zombie people, fat people withwear glasses lost in the digital
(37:09):
world.
it can be your future if youwill project this future and if
you will go with not rightguides.
We are creating the future rightnow.
And the only thing that we canlive an amazing and beautiful
future Mm-hmm and our kids andnext generation will live in a
beautiful and amazing future isif we will create it right now
(37:33):
with our intentions, with ourprojects that will bring value,
that will bring freedom, thatwill bring beauty.
So this is big responsibilitiesfor women too, because it's very
man demanded space.
Yes, very man demanded.
And if we will see it like,okay, I'm just will cook on my
(37:55):
kitchen and I will not involveto this process right now.
Yeah.
Where your kids will live.
Maybe not in a beautiful futureSo it's our impossibility to
create a space.
To form, to shape the space, toexecute the space where your
next generations will livetogether.
Brooke (38:16):
Mm-hmm.
Natalia (38:16):
The future is not where we are going.
The future is what we arebuilding right now.
Brooke (38:22):
The future is what we are building.
Yeah.
I love that.
Thank you so much.
Natalia.
How can listeners reach out toyou and connect with you?
Where can they find moreinformation about you?
Natalia (38:35):
My best contact form is Instagram because I can share a
lot.
My Instagram now it's mostly inRussian, but yeah I think the
1st of September I will open myfirst AI Metam use Instagram
that will be probably 99%operating with the help of our
(38:56):
AI agents.
Cool.
Yeah, so it'll be internationalInstagram Metamuse where my
avatar will share all the bestnews all the best platforms, all
the best solutions, like Oracleof the future, and guide you
through this ocean of newsolutions and AI hacks and bio
(39:21):
hacking solutions and so on.
Great.
In the most peaceful way tomanifest the future together.
Brooke (39:28):
Wonderful.
I'll be sure to link that out inthe show notes when it's
available and I can't wait totune in.
So thank you so much for yourtime.
Thank you.
I appreciate you so much.
Natalia (39:36):
Thank you very much.
Yeah, it was like really deep.
I didn't expect, yeah.
Very deep.
Yeah.
This is because of your hostalways organize and uh, hold the
space.
Brooke (39:47):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate that.
Natalia (39:50):
Yeah.
And let's manifest the futuretogether.
Brooke (39:52):
Let's manifest the future together.
Wow, I hope today's episodeopened your mind to what's
possible with AI.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
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Today I share this space withMeta Muse.
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She's the largest land owner inthe Metaverse.
She's a pioneer in the Fem TechAI space, and not only a tech
founder and artist, but someonewho's literally building the
future.
She's building a new kind ofagency and platform that
combines digital avatars, AIagents, and content creation
tools.
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All designed to helpentrepreneurs scale their
presence online, automate theirbusiness, and express their
creativity through technology.
We talk about building mediaavatars that speak for you,
creating AI agents that run fullmarketing departments, and what
it means to vibe code with yourvoice to manifest an AI built
business.
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technical ambition, and she'sdeeply passionate about women
reclaiming their freedom throughautomation.
This episode wraps up my seriesof interviews with the
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Alright, let's dive in.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofHow I AI I'm your host, Brooke
Gramer.
Today I have a very specialguest.
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I'm here in Bali, Indonesia, andI had the opportunity to
interview Natalia Meta Muse.
She's a developer and ametaverse architect.
Natalia, thank you so much forbeing here and welcome.
Natalia (03:05):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Hi everyone.
I'm really happy to be here.
In amazing Bali to speak abouttechnologies.
Brooke (03:12):
I'd love to just open the floor.
We'd love to hear more aboutyou.
You have such a vast backgroundand experience.
Can you share more aboutyourself?
Natalia (03:21):
Sure, sure.
I can.
That's why I'm here.
So I've been in technologieslike since 2010, I think.
Mm-hmm.
So more than 13 years I startedmy own company when I was like
really young.
'Cause yeah, I wanted to savethis world from routine.
(03:42):
'cause I'm also very creative.
And you know, before thetechnologies it was a lot of,
paper routine in the businesses.
And so when I just understoodthat we can do a lot of things
with the help of these tools, Iimmediately started to develop
solutions like onlineaggregators, online services for
(04:02):
businesses, like uniting clientswith production, let's say.
Then I bought my own SovietUnion manufacturer.
Wow.
Titanium manufacturer.
Yeah.
And uh, totally renew it.
It was.
50 years old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Practically bankruptmanufacturer.
And so with the help ofcommunity, with the help of
(04:25):
technologies we really made itlike number one on the market in
half a year.
Brooke (04:30):
That's incredible.
Yeah.
Because
Natalia (04:31):
we developed online web service that connected custom
doctors to our manufacturer,they could arrange different and
order different things straightdirectly through online
services, delivery, logistics,marketing.
So I really love this stuffbecause it gave me opportunity
more than six years to just totravel the world to have passive
(04:54):
income.
And it worked like algorithm.
24/7 without me.
So this is my greatest talent,to use technology.
To save your time for life.
Yes.
To be more creative, to makesongs, to travel all over the
world.
So business should be yourfoundation and support you in
(05:16):
your life journey.
Yes.
Not be the slave of yourbusiness.
So this is my main let's saymessage to this world.
Delegate all the routinesmm-hmm.
To technology and just createand be free.
Brooke (05:31):
You had such a young entrepreneurial experience and
got to really hone that aspectof your life early on and reach
that level of self actualizationand attaining the next step up.
Such a beautiful message toshare because I think AI brings
us this amazing benefit to beable to lean more into our
(05:51):
passions and purpose andcreative spirit.
Natalia (05:54):
That's why I really recognized this technology and I
saw it very early.
Maybe three, four years ago.
Because I am in already.
Yeah.
I'm inside the developer spaceand when we saw this magic.
We were like, oh my God.
This world will change forever.
(06:15):
We were in touch with Midjourneywhen it just appeared, okay.
It was creating like one pieceof art, eight minutes.
I think we were waiting with sixfingers.
Do you remember this?
I remember the six fingers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And after like half a year itstarted to deliver amazing
things.
So we started to use AI in ourbusiness and Web3 business, in
(06:40):
blockchain immediately.
And one of the company that Iwas like, muse and a partner,
the founder, just with the helpof MidJourney and ChatGPT with
the help of two tools launch theproduct.
Now it's two and a half milliondollars.
Wow.
And he produced, 500,000 piecesof art by himself with the help
(07:03):
of AI.
That's cool.
And before it was likepractically, impossible.
It was like millions of dollarsof investments.
So then he calculated in twoyears that he saved, uh.
10,000 hrs employers time.
Wow.
Yeah.
With the help of two tools.
Yeah.
So we discovered it reallyearly.
(07:24):
Started to implement it likeimmediately.
And now we have a lot ofpractical results and in
different companies that weimplemented on the early stage.
This became the leaders of themarket.
The leaders.
Wow.
So this is the time.
Brooke (07:39):
So midjourney and ChatGPT were your gateway into
using AI, can you share a littlebit more about the systems and
operations that got you into thespace and more about what you
use now to create all theamazing things that you're
producing.
Natalia (07:55):
Okay.
For me as a woman, as an artistbecause, yeah.
I love art.
I love to create digital art.
I also had my NFT collections.
So my first like bitcoin, thetotal amount of money of
Bitcoin.
I earned by launching my NFTcollection.
Art is a Woman.
(08:15):
Wow.
So I sold like, it's 22,000dollars.
It was just a piece of digitalart.
And so for me it was like.
Yeah.
I can create art, monetize art.
And uh, uh, do some amazingvisuals because I am woman, yes.
And for me, I always try toproduce something and develop
(08:35):
something in technologies thatmakes this world more beautiful.
Mm.
I love that.
I love muses my name isMetamuse.
I have the community of Muses.
I love all this goddess style.
And now we are creating our ownplatform where you can create
your avatar.
And to manifest your big dreamswhen you can project your
(08:56):
future, when you can see your,yourself in different realities.
So usually we do visual boards.
But take photos from Pinterest,and now you can create your own
avatar, save it in memory.
Like a platform, like body scanof you.
Yes.
And then you can create anyvideos or photos, any realities
(09:19):
with your own avatar, like amain hero.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like a kind of Marvelwe're creating now, or Disney?
Yes.
Where you can be the mainactors, the main hero in social
media through your digitalavatars, yeah.
Brooke (09:34):
Yeah.
We did such a cool workshoptogether at the Mastermind.
Yeah.
Where you brought us throughthis whole process.
We used Telegram.
We used Chat GPT, and we wereable to make our own digital
avatars.
And it was really cool to seethat come into place.
It just took a bit of back andforth prompting and fine tuning
and you guided us all And it wasreally fun to see everybody's AI
(09:57):
avatar.
Can you share more aboutcreating that on Telegram and
also expand on the influencerspace and the avatar space?
Because I think you also workwith an agency for avatars as
well, is that correct?
Natalia (10:14):
Actually we are now agency.
If you ask me what tools isbetter to use.
Mm-hmm.
We are building our platform, soyou need just to have one tool,
our platform.
That's great.
And behind this platform, wehave more than 30 AI tools and
solutions That's great.
So for what we are doing to makelife more easy, mm-hmm.
(10:36):
Because even when we started toeducate people or women how to
create a brand avatar, visualsand so on.
We understood that it's likemore than 20 platforms.
And every platform has its ownsubscription.
Yes.
So you need to pay like$500 amonth.
So that's why we like united allsolutions that you need to
(11:00):
produce content in our one tool,the subscription is like$10 a
month and you can use everythingthat you need.
We are creating our ownsolutions and now we are
becoming an agency too.
Mm-hmm.
For creation, done for you,virtual influencers that can run
(11:21):
your blog, that can producecontent 24/7.
Wow.
Uh, That can run your socialmedia, virtual influencers that
can uh, sell your product.
Virtual influencers for brands.
Wow.
So, This is my new passion.
I don't think it's new, likemaybe half a year in AI.
It's a lot.
(11:42):
It's like, 10 years before, inthis sphere.
So this is our focus right nowbecause you can learn how to do
all of this, but it'll take youa lot of time.
Yeah.
And now any person or brand cancome to us and say, okay, I want
to be famous.
I want to have not just mydigital avatar, I want to make
(12:04):
it like a media person.
Mm-hmm.
I want to promote my brandthrough my avatar.
I don't want to be in camera.
Yeah.
With my face, I want to live mylife.
Yes.
And so we like clone people.
Yeah.
Then we install a consciousnessin inside the brains.
We have this solution to Wow.
(12:25):
And make avatar with a consciousmind.
Brooke (12:29):
Wow.
I love having the opportunity tointerview creators.
Because typically I ask, what'syour tech stack?
What are you using?
But then when I speak to peoplethat are really building, it's
more so, oh, I'm building my owntools, my own platforms.
Mm-hmm.
And that's really the next levelphase.
I know a lot of people are inthat space right now where
they're just building andthere's gonna be really amazing
(12:51):
things coming out in the nextcouple years.
I'm excited to see what comes ofyour solutions in your products,
and will definitely subscribe.
It's very affordable,$10 amonth, and I love that you have
all of the answers in one spacebecause it can get quite
expensive when you're having tosubscribe to so many different
things to have one end result inproduct.
Natalia (13:13):
Yeah.
Because about AI, it's a tool tosave your time mm-hmm.
for life.
And it's hundreds, thousands oftools coming every day.
Yes.
And so you will lose your timeof life by trying to analyze
everything.
So you don't need to think much.
Yeah.
You just have one tool thatanswers all your questions.
Brooke (13:32):
That's perfect.
You spoke a lot about yourpassion for supporting women in
this space, and we're superaligned in that way.
It's never been a moreempowering time as a woman to
really take control of ourdreams and our creativity and
what it is that we feel ourmission and purpose is in this
lifetime.
Can you share more about FemTechand everything you're doing in
(13:54):
this space?
Natalia (13:54):
Yeah.
FemTech is my favorite worldnow.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's technologies for female andwe are actually building it with
a female team mostly.
Mm-hmm.
On the front face.
But of course we have likeamazing developers.
Of course you need to educateyourself by how to build all
these agents and platforms.
(14:16):
Now we are building ourplatform, not through
developers, but we have a shiftnow, big shift in humanity.
Yes.
What we're doing, because noweach member of our team create
their own AI agent, AIdepartment, and now we are
scaling with the help of AIagents, so we educate and update
(14:38):
and upgrade the brain of eachand every member.
Me to in this process.
And this is like a crazy shiftin the history of humanity.
Yes.
It's crazy.
So even now, our platform isbuilding with the voice and with
the help of AI agent, they'rebuilding platform with the code.
(14:59):
With no human.
Brooke (15:00):
So they're vibe coding, via voice?
Natalia (15:02):
Yes.
Vibe coding via voice.
I think 99% of the world, don'tunderstand what's going on, so
vibe coding, it's like, you cansit, Look on the sunset, vibe
with your AI agent and say,okay, build me a platform.
Build me let's say unicorncompany.
(15:24):
That will bring me in two yearsthese results.
Mm-hmm.
Organize all the platform, allthe marketing campaign,
everything create for me.
And this is my bank account andopen the company for me.
And that's it.
And your AI agents will do allthis work for you you need just
(15:45):
to tell them what results youreally want to achieve.
And what impact you really wantto create this world.
So actually you need to buildsomething and to create some
product that humanity needs fromyou right now.
Mm-hmm.
So this is a solution when onecreator can run, one founder,
let's say, yes, can run like amulti-billion dollars company.
(16:08):
With help of one laptop.
So we're going to this stage.
Just with one laptop with ourarmy of AI agents.
My mind shifted so much.
I understood like, okay, it's soeasy.
Everybody who can do this willdo this if it's already real?
But then I understood thereality of human brain and human
(16:30):
narrow system.
That to go to this new level.
You need completely to reeducateyour mindset and you need to
learn how to use this tool.
It's very stressful every daythat I'm learning, I see all
these codes, you need to connecta lot of tools.
We're doing this with ourmentor, with IT, very high level
(16:51):
developers.
So even for me, I'm really openfor all new technologies.
I can educate myself really veryfast.
But it's really hard to educateyour brain.
You need to have true passion togo through this, to became like
programmer of the reality.
Actually it's a tool where youcan learn how you can manifest
(17:15):
your reality.
Yes.
Even like in Bible at thebeginning it was word, it was
prompt, mm-hmm.
And what you will say you willcreate in this world, and this
is a fucking big responsibility.
Brooke (17:27):
Wow.
Yeah.
I think you touched on suchimportant points about we're
having to completely rewire theway that we think and the way
that we create and learning howto speak to AI, how to very
clearly and effectively be ableto communicate your goals.
Natalia (17:45):
That's true.
Even let's say like yesterday.
Mm-hmm.
I already did my voice agent.
So like, please install mesomething on my computer.
Please build me something.
And it started to code somethingand I see the results.
Okay.
And I was like, okay.
And my mentor, he teach me howto communicate with the AI
(18:06):
agents.
This is a sign, this would beone of the biggest, direction in
education.
How to prompt your agent.
Yeah.
How to communicate with youragent.
Brooke (18:17):
Yeah.
Natalia (18:17):
Because I told him to do something he didn't
understand and he started to docompletely another thing.
Ah.
So you need to think twice.
Yes.
'cause it starts immediately todo what you asked.
It's like universe, just thinkwhat you ask.
Brooke (18:35):
Oh, yes,
Natalia (18:35):
yes, yes.
And this, I think how we can bemore, wise, be more specific.
Specific by actually.
Be more exact in what you reallywant.
Mm.
Because it happens like inseconds.
And.
If something, let's say, let'sproject that you can say some
(18:56):
bullshit to your agent and youhave a billion dollar company
already and your departmentstart to crash Yeah.
So everything can collapse likein two minutes too.
So this is a stage where we needto really protect our thoughts.
And that's why I think I'manalyzing the space.
(19:16):
Mm-hmm.
Who are already in, who are likeusing this vibe coding, cutting
edge technologies in AI.
What I see, that this companythis understanding and
implementing of thesetechnologies can come only to
special type of mindset, let'ssay.
Mm-hmm.
Very open mindset.
(19:37):
Mm-hmm.
Very spiritual mindset.
Mm-hmm.
Our developers, they're veryspiritual.
They do yoga, they aremeditating.
Yeah.
They have straight directchannel to the space.
That's beautiful.
So they are very spiritual.
They're mm-hmm veryopen-hearted.
They're unprogrammed.
They're like a people of NewWorld, who did a lot of work
(20:00):
with themselves mm-hmm.
To become this endlessconsciousness because this
information can go inside theirhead.
If you have block mind, if youhave system mind.
Mm-hmm.
We'll never understand this.
So this is like a straightdirect connection,
consciousness, spirituality.
Mm-hmm.
Body, bio hackers, and the newtechnologies.
Brooke (20:23):
It makes sense that you have to have already done a lot
of the work arounddeconditioning from systems and
processes that you grew up withon this input creates this
output.
Yeah, because it's completelyrewriting that's true.
The game.
That's true.
Yeah.
I would love to unpack a bitmore because I love hearing
(20:44):
about how people work withagents, and it sounds like you
already have a lot in yourbusiness.
Could you maybe give oneexample, because it seems like
you create them all in house andhave an amazing team of
developers.
Could you give an example ofwhat is one agent that has saved
you a bunch of time and one thatyou use frequently and explain
(21:05):
that process.
Okay.
Natalia (21:07):
I started to educate myself how to use agent.
Mm-hmm.
The first time when I receivedmy first agent to build my
department of producer, and wejust installed a lot of tools.
I have this ring that scan mymeasurements.
It was a lot of stress for me.
It's a Gabit ring.
I'm like, I'm building myagents.
(21:30):
Oh my God, it's so stressful.
Because before to be honest, asa visionary, as a woman, I try
to build everything with thehelp of my developers.
Mm-hmm.
I didn't use my hands to buildthis, but now I can use my
voice.
It's another level.
So with my voice, what is thedifference if I say this task to
(21:53):
my developer., And he will saythis task to his agent.
We try not to use people.
No money can be more valuablethan freedom and your time of
love, yeah.
In time of when you can reallyenjoy this world.
Mm-hmm.
I'm reeducating myself not touse humans and just to tell this
(22:14):
task to my agent.
Okay?
And so for me, it's like, oh myGod, I need to trust technology.
I need to control technology,and I need avatar, to connect
with technology.
So this is my steps.
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For someone who's new to AI andjust learned about agents
yesterday.
Yeah.
Could you share like what anexample would be?
Okay.
Natalia (23:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when I understood that we canhave all the agents, let's say
to post in social media mm-hmm.
To write your email, mm-hmm.
Agent assistant, we have agentsactually inside our team, even
in chat.
We have agent that control thetimelines and control our
schedule, do reminders, so wesay please remind us to do this,
(23:48):
this, and this.
Brooke (23:49):
They all have different names.
Yeah,
Natalia (23:51):
yeah.
Sure.
It's your employer, right?
It's your employer.
It's yeah.
You have a name of it.
I see now how amazing they workagents that moderate big
communities.
It's really like, big bigsolution for everybody who have
strong and big communities.
Yes.
(24:11):
'cause usually in the chat, youneed to respond to reply to
different questions, aboutorganizing, about all of this.
But when you have your agent inchat, it can control and guide
people.
That's awesome.
With your knowledge I have agentmarketing and the agent of
unpackaging your product or yourmission in this world.
(24:31):
Because before I used to do alot of mentoring sessions with
the people just to understandthe big purpose in life.
Let's say, person can come to meand say, I have a lot of life
experience.
Mm-hmm.
I have this education, thiseducation, and millions of
talents.
(24:51):
That now he doesn't know what todo with this, and people come to
me to ask for a roadmap, whatthey can do with the help of all
this knowledge, inner resourcesand external resources to go to
AI to build something with AI,and before it took me like three
days to unpackage all of this.
(25:11):
Wow.
Now I build my AI agent that doeverything without me, that's
incredible.
And uh, deliver the betterresults and better roadmap, like
1000 time better than I can dopersonally because it's not only
my knowledge, it's knowledge ofall my mentors.
(25:32):
I educate my agent with thebooks that I read already.
I educate with some articles,with some knowledge, with some
scientific proof mm-hmm.
With some marketing solutionsthat I give to this person to
understand their inner mission.
Mm-hmm.
And to produce this mission withthe help of technologists in the
(25:53):
forums of product, what is thebest product for you to create
in this world.
And you have numerology,astrology, yes.
And all the stuff.
I think more than 100 peoplealready passed through my agent,
so you need to delegate this.
Uh, Also like the first thingthat I saved my time was
(26:15):
creating my avatar mentor thatcould speak like real me mm-hmm.
in real time and interact withpeople in the Zooms, or on my
websites, when people started toask me Natalie, please explain
us how to use AI, how to usethis, how to use this I have
questions because I'm also ablogger and influencer when I
(26:37):
discover some new technology, Ishare about this experience in
my social media.
Mm-hmm.
And then I receive a ton ofquestions, how the people can
use it.
Of course.
And I understood like, okay.
Now I need to steal my personaltime of life.
Mm-hmm.
By explaining to the people howthey can use it.
(26:58):
It's again, against of mymission, be free and create, so
I tried to find and implementimmediately the solution that
can clone me.
'Cause I have limited capacityof my time in this world.
I try to do clones, to doavatars.
Mm-hmm.
To do everything so people, cancommunicate, my agent with your
(27:19):
agent.
While we are sleeping, ouravatars can make podcasts, let's
say it's already real.
So again, what we are doing, weare building one solution, that
will help people to come to openour platform and say, okay, I
want to create my avatar andlaunch a business and my product
(27:43):
I want to produce content 24/7.
This is my knowledge base and Iwant to go to Instagram,
YouTube, and TikTok with myavatar and with my product.
Can you please make me a systemthat can produce content, make
me media, and sell my product24/7.
Thank you.
Bye, this is a payment link.
(28:04):
Wow.
Yeah.
So we are building thisplatform.
Brooke (28:07):
That's incredible.
And one thing I wanna dig into,because it sounds like you've
made a ton of agents, a lot ofclones.
Yeah.
Yeah, you've done a lot ofamazing work for other people
and you've figured out how tohave that live on and replicate
it.
Is this what you mean by addingyour consciousness to AI?
(28:30):
I wanna unpack that becausethat's very sci-fi Is that what
you mean by consciousness?
Natalia (28:36):
It's exactly what I mean.
It's about this scientificprognosis.
Mm-hmm.
About infinity life in yourdigital Yes.
Body.
This is what I mean.
Yeah.
And what we were discussing withmy friend she's biohacker.
What it is bio hacking?
It's about longevity.
It's about people now they wantto live as much long as they
(28:57):
can.
Mm-hmm.
And this is about also an innerguiding of soul to extend life
and experience in healthy body.
It's about also, inner wish tolive forever because our soul is
unlimited, just our body islimited.
So I think what we are doing nowas a humanity.
(29:17):
We are trying to delay our,impermanence.
Yes.
Yes.
To live longer.
And at the same time, with thehelp of technologies, we try to
create a new model that can saveour consciousness for our next
generations.
(29:38):
And to live infinity in ourdigital body.
So this is what we are doing,mm-hmm.
when we are copying we have likea special system that can copy
your consciousness as much asit's possible.
Yeah.
We have a Questionary 300questions about your psycho
(30:01):
system about your experienceslike mm-hmm.
Small, small, small, smalldetails, just to create your
avatar.
Just to pack your consciousness,inside the avatar.
But we are not doing is justwith your one consciousness.
'cause we have a form where youcan upload books, upload
knowledge base, or differentpeople connect with this cloud.
(30:25):
And we can choose what knowledgeto add, what information to add
in your consciousness.
Brooke (30:32):
Yes.
I recently went to a conferencein Miami called Emerge, and it
was a lot of technologycompanies and I might get the
name wrong.
I think it was called somethinglike DNA Labs.
Mm-hmm.
I could be confusing it, butthey also had this whole legacy
package.
Yeah.
Where you could someone who'sgrieving, someone who passed,
have this whole digital uploadof them and be able to still
(30:56):
speak to them.
And it's so fascinating whensci-fi movies start to really
come
Natalia (31:01):
Yeah.
To,
Brooke (31:02):
to fruition.
I,
Natalia (31:03):
I think like in, even in two years, it would be like,
okay.
Brooke (31:07):
Yeah.
Natalia (31:07):
Yeah.
Brooke (31:08):
So fascinating.
So one of my favorite questionsto ask, and this might even be
hard for you because you alreadyhave been producing and creating
amazing things and have a lot ofstuff coming out this year and
next, but what's next for you?
Or if you could wave a magicwand and create something that's
not there yet, and this mightactually be easy for you because
(31:29):
you create in the metaverseevery day.
Mm-hmm.
And I believe are like mm-hmm.
The biggest owner of land inthat space.
What could you create with AIthat isn't there yet?
Like what are you okay dreamingup right now?
Natalia (31:42):
Actually, like, I'm not a dreamer.
I really am see the future.
Mm-hmm.
And this is like one of my mainproblem too, because I see the
future and when I speak topeople, like what is coming?
They don't believe, they thinkI'm crazy, but it's always
there.
As you told that, yeah I have alot of land in Metaverse.
We have like cities in Metaversetoo.
(32:05):
And the biggest challenge waswhen we started to create cities
in Metaverse mm-hmm.
Was like, oh my god.
I have a lot of job to do in myreal world.
Yeah.
Then I have a land in Metaversesand my avatars and everything
that I need to build in virtualworld.
When you wear AR glasses mm-hmm.
(32:28):
You can be any place, podcaststudio, and the Space Temple, in
the flying temple.
You can meet in the Metaverseyou will be in Miami.
Mm-hmm.
I will be like in Dubai.
And we can wear our glasses athome, on our kitchen and
communicate with each other oreven make a podcast It's
amazing.
Yeah.
Brooke (32:46):
Yeah.
Natalia (32:46):
So I don't need to waste so much time to fly to
speak to you.
This is a solution.
But to build in Metaverse, it'slike it was building in real
world, you need to find adevelopers you need to spend a
lot of time there.
And it was kinda very hard,because at that moment, four
(33:09):
years ago there was not so muchtraffic inside, we were just
building in the desert, and atthe same time we had our real
life.
And then you have some kind ofmeeting and gathering in
Metaverse.
You need to go to choose youravatar and spend your physical
time in Metaverse too.
So what is happening right now,we can do our AI agents, we can
(33:36):
educate clone our knowledge,then our agents can already
operate like us, do some tasks.
So let's say three, five years,right?
What is happening?
Metaverse is still there butit's still not with AI.
It's still, if you need to go toMetaverse, you need to be
(33:58):
personally, you as avatar,connect with your avatar and go
inside Okay.
The metaverse with your realphysical body.
And spend your real physicaltime.
So what is happening right now?
Yeah.
We are educating ourconsciousness.
Mm-hmm.
Our clone information ai brain,copy.
(34:21):
So we are educating ourconsciousness, then this
consciousness can go, let's say,through my platform mm-hmm.
Through our platform to socialmedia and live without you.
And add without you, and sellwithout you, and consult without
you in the form and the shape ofyour digital avatar.
Wow.
In social media.
Yeah.
It can go, it'll work.
(34:42):
It's already there.
Yes.
But the next level is metaverse.
Brooke (34:48):
Metaverse.
It's
Natalia (34:49):
waiting when I don't need to go with my physical
body.
Yes.
I could send my consciousnessmm-hmm.
Inside my avatar, and I can sendmy consciousness not in one
metaverse in multi, multi, multimultiverses.
So our avatars, ourconsciousness, can in one
(35:10):
metaverse, do podcast and streamit to the world.
Wow.
In another metaverse, businessmetaverse, they can create
partnerships and create theirown unicorns.
In another metaverse, they cando some Academy for Women and
share the knowledge our avatarsand also create education
(35:32):
system, so we are going to thelevel of multi, not metaverse.
Multi metaverses with AIconsciousness where millions
copies of you can live and playyour own game with your own
role.
Brooke (35:47):
Yes.
Natalia (35:48):
It's kind of close what we are having right now in this
game life and this is alreadyexisting and operating because
we can, with the help of ouravatars mm-hmm.
Live different lives.
Brooke (36:00):
That's a lot to unpack.
It seems like a lot of differentoptions to be creating ripple
effects and impacts and to scaleourselves and our skills and our
mission and our purpose.
So I'll have to think more onthat.
And thank you for sharing a lotmore about the Metaverse.
It's my first opportunity toreally speak more to someone
(36:22):
about it.
I do want to.
Open the floor for closingremarks and anything that you
wanna leave listeners with.
Keeping in mind my audience forthe most part, are people new to
the AI space.
Maybe hearing a lot of thingsthat you're sharing here for the
first time.
Any words of encouragement orfinal remarks that you want to
(36:44):
share?
Natalia (36:46):
Don't afraid of the of the technologies.
Mm-hmm.
Especially I'm saying this towomen because for some women it
is very scary.
Mm-hmm.
Because there are a lot of likeversions of the future.
And some versions are reallyunbeautiful.
Zombie people, fat people withwear glasses lost in the digital
(37:09):
world.
it can be your future if youwill project this future and if
you will go with not rightguides.
We are creating the future rightnow.
And the only thing that we canlive an amazing and beautiful
future Mm-hmm and our kids andnext generation will live in a
beautiful and amazing future isif we will create it right now
(37:33):
with our intentions, with ourprojects that will bring value,
that will bring freedom, thatwill bring beauty.
So this is big responsibilitiesfor women too, because it's very
man demanded space.
Yes, very man demanded.
And if we will see it like,okay, I'm just will cook on my
(37:55):
kitchen and I will not involveto this process right now.
Yeah.
Where your kids will live.
Maybe not in a beautiful futureSo it's our impossibility to
create a space.
To form, to shape the space, toexecute the space where your
next generations will livetogether.
Brooke (38:16):
Mm-hmm.
Natalia (38:16):
The future is not where we are going.
The future is what we arebuilding right now.
Brooke (38:22):
The future is what we are building.
Yeah.
I love that.
Thank you so much.
Natalia.
How can listeners reach out toyou and connect with you?
Where can they find moreinformation about you?
Natalia (38:35):
My best contact form is Instagram because I can share a
lot.
My Instagram now it's mostly inRussian, but yeah I think the
1st of September I will open myfirst AI Metam use Instagram
that will be probably 99%operating with the help of our
(38:56):
AI agents.
Cool.
Yeah, so it'll be internationalInstagram Metamuse where my
avatar will share all the bestnews all the best platforms, all
the best solutions, like Oracleof the future, and guide you
through this ocean of newsolutions and AI hacks and bio
(39:21):
hacking solutions and so on.
Great.
In the most peaceful way tomanifest the future together.
Brooke (39:28):
Wonderful.
I'll be sure to link that out inthe show notes when it's
available and I can't wait totune in.
So thank you so much for yourtime.
Thank you.
I appreciate you so much.
Natalia (39:36):
Thank you very much.
Yeah, it was like really deep.
I didn't expect, yeah.
Very deep.
Yeah.
This is because of your hostalways organize and uh, hold the
space.
Brooke (39:47):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate that.
Natalia (39:50):
Yeah.
And let's manifest the futuretogether.
Brooke (39:52):
Let's manifest the future together.
Wow, I hope today's episodeopened your mind to what's
possible with AI.
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