November 4, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode of How I AI, I sit down with Lucio Boccardi, he is eleven years old and a digital creator, innovator, and builder who’s already earning five figures a month online by experimenting fearlessly with AI.
Lucio’s story is a reminder that learning through trial, curiosity, and persistence still matters. From building a math video game using an AI app builder to generating royalty income from custom GPTs, he’s showing what’s possible when creativity meets consistency.
We talk about the rules he’s set for himself when using AI in school so he’s still learning the material, how he built his first Shopify store (and waited two months for that first sale), and how he turned 3D printing into another income stream. His first YouTube video reached 12,000 views.
Lucio proves that success with AI isn’t instant.. it’s built through iteration, experimentation, and staying curious enough to find your unique flow.
Topics We Cover:
• Building a YouTube channel that earns $10K+ months through AI-assisted workflows
• How to use AI to create games and interactive learning tools
• Earning royalties from custom GPTs
• Finding your “AI learning balance” in school and life
• The mindset of experimenting until something sticks
Tools Mentioned:
Content Creation & Video Production
InVideo AI, ShortX.ai, Adobe Creative Suite
Generative Media & Visuals
OpenAI Sora, Google Veo 3 AI
3D Design & Prototyping
3D Genius, Bambu Lab X1 Carbon
AI Agents & Custom GPTs
ChatGPT
E-commerce & Automation
Shopify
Projects Referenced:
• Lucio’s math video game built with an AI app builder
• YouTube channel generating $10K+ per month
• 3D printing business producing consistent revenue
Connect with Lucio:
YouTube: The AI Historian
Instagram: The_money_maker2031
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Lucio (00:00):
If you're starting it in AI, don't expect for things to
(00:04):
come in like this.
It'll take some time.
Mm.
Just have patience.
Brooke (00:09):
Welcome to How I AI the podcast featuring real people,
real stories, and real AI inaction.
I'm Brooke Gramer, your host andguide on this journey into the
real world impact of artificialintelligence.
For over 15 years, I've workedin creative marketing events and
business strategy, wearing allthe hats.
(00:30):
I know the struggle of trying toscale and manage all things
without burning out, but here'sthe game changer, AI.
This isn't just a podcast.
How I AI is a community, a spacewhere curious minds like you
come together, share ideas, andI'll also bring you exclusive
discounts, and insiderresources, because AI isn't just
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a trend, it's a shift, and thesooner we embrace it, the more
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Follow the link in thedescription below to get
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started.
My guest today, Lucio is 11years old and he's already
building his online empire atjust as age.
He's earning$10,000 a month onYouTube.
He developed a math video gamewith an app builder just for
fun, and he also gets paid tocreate custom gpt that generate
(01:57):
him royalties.
But what I love most aboutLucio's story isn't how much
money he's making with ai.
It's how he approaches learningfrom dropshipping to 3D printing
to his Shopify store.
He really is experimenting withit all.
He's even honest about the rulesthat he gives himself when using
AI for homework so that he'salways still learning.
(02:20):
His story is a reminder that AIisn't a light switch.
It takes curiosity, creativity,and a willingness to find your
own unique flow with trial anderror.
So stay tuned to learn how Luciouses AI to build, learn, and
lead by example for a whole newgeneration of creators.
Alright, let's dive in.
(02:42):
Hello everyone.
I'm your host, Brooke Gramer.
Today I have my youngest guest.
To date, Lucio Boccardi He is insixth grade.
He is 11 years old.
He's an entrepreneur, he's afounder, and he's a genius
self-proclaimed.
I'm so happy to have you here.
(03:03):
Thank you so much.
Lucio (03:04):
Thank you.
Thank you for me having me.
Brooke (03:06):
Let's share about your journey and how you got to where
you are today
Lucio (03:09):
so when I was a lot younger, I wanted to play video
games.
Mm-hmm.
My mom told me, if you wannaplay video games, you have to
call you on video games.
So that's what I did.
I learned how to code and I codemy, my, my first video game.
It was fun.
And then I started doing thatand then fast forward three,
(03:30):
four years later.
I'm nine years old.
I see.
I see these AI videos, they'relike historic videos and I'm
like, wow, I, that's reallycool.
I really want to make that.
Mm-hmm.
And then I search on YouTube,how to make the AI videos.
Yeah.
And it shows me how to do it.
Within the first two months, Iget a couple thousand views and
(03:51):
then four months later.
I make my first$2,000.
Wow.
And then fast forward, like sixmonths later, I'm making$10K
month now.
Wow.
And now I'm, I'm thinking aboutdoing something else with ai.
I just haven't figured out what.
Brooke (04:10):
That's incredible.
And so did you always love mathand science?
At what point did you realizeyou were like, oh, I'm really
into this, more computer stuff?
Lucio (04:20):
I realized when I was about like in fourth grade.
Like I was always excited to goon computers and like to go on
my computer back when I got fromschool.
I'm like, I'm so excited.
I'm like.
I'm really excited about this.
Mm-hmm.
That's when I said, if I'mreally excited, I should get
more into it.
That's when I started doing morethings, and that's how the
success followed me with it.
Brooke (04:41):
Cool.
So what do you do every day whenyou're playing with technology?
What are you using right now?
Lucio (04:47):
Well, it's not like I, I just like focusing my, my entire
life on technology and ai.
Brooke (04:55):
Yes.
Lucio (04:56):
I, during the weekends, that's really the time that I
work on ai, but like, two hoursevery day for the weekend for,
so two days.
Two hours.
So four hours every weekend.
But on the weekdays I dohomework, schoolwork, nothing
late.
Of course, I get, I have goodgrades and then I socialize with
my friends all the time.
Yeah, I've a pretty normal life.
Brooke (05:18):
And so when you're spending time playing on the
weekends, what do you do?
Do you use specific apps?
Are you building your ownsoftware?
Well,
Lucio (05:29):
to create, um, the videos over the years, I've done many
ways.
First by using something calledInvideo AI.
Okay?
And then after that.
It stopped getting views.
So then I started hiring peopleto make the reels for me.
It was successful at first.
Then I realized that I'm wastingmy money paying people to do it.
(05:52):
I can just do it myself.
So I started doing myself, andthen I did not make it good.
Because like I had to use likeAdobe and stuff.
I wasn't good at it.
Then I found an AI called ShortXOh.
And it can create those in likefive minutes and be better than
that i, I paid for way better.
(06:14):
Really short X.
It's called Short X, and I thinkaround six months ago they came
out with like a new type video.
It's like a would you'd rather.
Brooke (06:25):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (06:25):
And started focusing on that.
Those, like a couple thousandsof views
Brooke (06:31):
I use Descript to edit my videos.
Have you ever played with anyvideo software?
Lucio (06:36):
I've tried DeScript, but I, I tried it like before, like
all the new features came out.
Yeah.
Because now, uh, I think it's,yeah descript, you can like edit
with ai they can make it like,yes.
Yeah.
Brooke (06:49):
So how do you come up with the ideas of the projects
you wanna do?
Lucio (06:53):
Like the like type of videos.
Mm-hmm.
So really it's either I see aniche online, like it says like,
five um, facts about ancientEgypt.
Brooke (07:05):
Hmm.
I, I
Lucio (07:05):
would, I would copy like the title, but I wouldn't copy
the facts.
I would get a completelydifferent facts.
Yeah.
Because I'm not the type ofperson to copy.
Yes.
And then I would get more viewsthan that person.
And if I can't, um, come up withone or I've done all the ones,
I'd ask ChatGPT and it wouldgive me good ones and I would
get good views on that.
Brooke (07:25):
Wow.
So how long does it take you tomake a video?
Lucio (07:30):
Like the whole process or just making a video or like
publishing it?
Brooke (07:34):
The whole process.
Lucio (07:35):
Whole process.
Let's see.
To make it five minutes.
Okay.
Then to upload it, to doeverything, two minutes, seven
minutes each video.
Wow.
And then I'd say in the firsthour it'll get like 500 views.
Mm-hmm.
And then I'd say the next day,like 10,000 views.
(07:56):
And this
Brooke (07:56):
is all on
Lucio (07:57):
YouTube.
All on YouTube.
Okay.
And I've tried on Instagram, butlike, ugh I'm not used to
Instagram, TikTok.
Honestly, I like YouTube better,but I know that one time, um,
one day you YouTube is not gonnabe popular.
It's gonna probably gonna beInstagram or a new thing that's
gonna come out soon, or TikTokor another social media.
(08:19):
And I'm gonna have to move tothat'cause I am not like, I stay
behind, like on the race.
Brooke (08:25):
I just got into YouTube.
I just launched my channel ahandful of weeks ago, so it's
brand new to me and I could seeso many benefits of it.
Do you feel like you've grown anonline community on there?
I can say pretty much I have,yeah.
That's cool.
So do you like to do full videosor do you do YouTube shorts?
Lucio (08:44):
I've tried a couple, um, full videos, but like.
No one wants to watch a fullvideo.
Yeah.
I think that shorts are it andthe shorts.
I always get a lot of views onthose.
Brooke (08:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (08:56):
So, during COVID, my school shut down and I had to be
homeschooled, by my mom forthree years before I went into
real school again.
Wow.
So her home schooling me, pluslike her telling me, I have to
make the video games.
That all shaped me to be who Iam today making$10K month.
(09:18):
And I also have a 3D printingbusiness.
Oh.
Called 3D Genius.
Okay.
And yes, AI created a name forme.
Brooke (09:25):
AI came up with your name.
Yeah.
I ask AI a lot as well as anentrepreneur.
And, um, when I was kickstarting my business, it helped
me come up with my, websitedomain names and I just, uh,
launched an online community aswell and it helped me name
everything and I use it a lotfor copywriting and ideas in
that way too.
Lucio (09:45):
Yeah.
One, uh, good thing.
Wait, like few prompts did yousay like, pretend you are a, you
Brooke (09:53):
know, I wanna say I prompt it every time in the
right way, but I don't, Iactually like to use AI in a
very conversational back andforth mode.
Same with me.
I do though think that becauseI've using, been using ChatGPT
for so long and I make sure thememory's all updated and it
(10:13):
knows my background and mygoals.
But if I am doing somethingreally important, I will be
like, okay.
Uh, like for example, if I'mdoing a media pitch I will be
like, act like this.
Mm-hmm.
And I'll give it a roll becauseI want it to really give me
advice, maybe on an angle or anindustry I'm not super familiar
with yet.
Um, but how do you prompt?
Lucio (10:35):
If it's like something very important, like, like I
need to, like do something.
Okay.
I use ChatGPT for schoolwork,but not to do it for me.
Mm-hmm.
I used it to help me.
So I say like, let's say, um.
Like a book, a report.
I need some facts.
I'll say oh, pretend you arelike, I forgot the name.
(10:56):
But like, it's someone who knowsa lot of facts and say uh, what
are some facts about this?
I would like tell it, pretendyou are a, actually, I wouldn't
say pretend.
I'm saying you are a lawyer,what should I do in this
situation?
Like I would say something likethat.
Wow.
Course I don't need a lawyer,
Brooke (11:16):
but it's an example.
Yeah.
Let's go back to your schoolingthat you mentioned.
Mm-hmm.
So it sounds like you haveexperienced homeschooling,
homeschooling, and alsotraditional schooling.
Yes.
What do you like better?
Lucio (11:31):
Traditional school.
Okay.
Those three years of not sosocializing.
It kind of affected me becauselike I don't know, I like
traditional school, but I'm verygrateful that my mom because
without homeschooling me, Idon't know what would've
happened.
Yeah, I know is I wouldn't behere today as like this kind of
person.
Brooke (11:52):
Do you feel like there's a lot of kids in your grade who
are using ai?
Uh, definitely, but for thewrong reasons.
Oh, really?
To cheat.
Lucio (12:04):
Yes, but some kids, but there's some other kids who I've
taught how to use AI to helpthem.
Mm-hmm.
And their, their grades havegone from B'S to a's.
Brooke (12:16):
Oh, that's great.
How do you use AI for homework?
What subject?
Let's say science.
Science.
How would you use AI to help youwith science Homework.
Lucio (12:29):
Okay, let's, um, let's say I need a definition of a
chemical.
I would send a picture of it.
Mm-hmm.
I would say, give me thedefinitions of these words and
say, oxygen, carbon, it was, andI would say it.
'cause if it was on paper, Iwould do it.
'cause I actually have to writeit down.
Brooke (12:48):
Yeah.
Lucio (12:50):
Because even if I don't have the definition, I would
have to go inside a dictionaryor switch it on my computer.
So ChatGPT puts it on computerand a dictionary all in one.
So that's how I do it.
But if it's online mm-hmm.
I wouldn't do it.
'cause that is cheating.
Mm.
You just have to copy and pasteit.
Brooke (13:07):
So take me back to that moment where you decided to be
an entrepreneur and start yourown business.
Lucio (13:12):
Uh,
Brooke (13:13):
where did you learn about business.
And when did you decide I wannabe my own boss?
Lucio (13:19):
Well, it's not really.
I wanna be my own boss but sinceI was little we watched Shark
Tank.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So when like, I saw thesepeople, they were saying like,
like equity and everything.
I'm like, what is that?
I searched it up.
It means like how much percentof the business.
Mm-hmm.
(13:39):
I was like, Hmm, that's reallycool.
And then I started my 3Dprinting business when I was in
third grade.
Mm-hmm.
And at my old school, we hadsomething called
entrepreneurship class.
Wow.
So we would learn how to be likea businessman, but.
That didn't really like, what weused to do is we used to have
(14:00):
like marketplaces, so we used tolike sell people, like things
like a market.
Cool.
But I learned I wanted to be abusiness way before that.
And it was just I liked, makingthings with like 3D printing I
liked.
Mm-hmm.
Not having, I guess I saw likein the movies, oh, you're fired
or a bunch of things like that.
(14:21):
And I'm like, I don't want thatto happen to me.
It's not gonna happen.
So, so I decided I wanna be anentrepreneur and it paid off.
Brooke (14:31):
Absolutely.
When did you start to get into3D printing?
Lucio (14:35):
Now that honestly is a good story.
In third grade, um, there, therewas this kid.
Who like really inspired me.
He used to be into like, like alot 3D printing.
And I'm like, that's reallycool.
I asked him about it, and thenhe's like, oh yeah, it's this,
and that.
He's like, oh, it creates thelayers.
(14:55):
And after that I was asking mymom about it, my sister, my dad.
And then after that I'm like,okay, I wanna get a 3D printer.
I got my 3D printer.
It was not good.
A good 3D printer.
It wasn't a good one.
We sent it back, but then afterthat I was like, how about we
(15:16):
get 3D printer and I make thingswith people in my class, and
after that I sell it to them.
Wow.
So then we, I got a new 3Dprinter and it was actually
really, it wasn't that good, butit was like good for a starter
3D printer.
So then actually with that 3Dprinter I made around and that,
(15:38):
I had that app printer for likethird grade and fourth grade got
a new one.
But in third grade I, I'd say Imade like$500.
Brooke (15:46):
Wow.
How much would you sell a 3Dprinting item?
Four typically.
It depends what, what if it waslike a little paper cat?
Paper cat?
Lucio (15:59):
Honestly the good things that the kids in my class
Brooke (16:01):
mm-hmm.
Lucio (16:03):
Did not know prices.
So I would charge that for$10.
Brooke (16:06):
Wow.
Even though
Lucio (16:07):
that, that like to cost it mm-hmm.
Would probably cost like.
3 cents.
Wow.
Yes.
Three, three printing.
Well, a new community does notknow what the price is.
Mm-hmm.
Like what it should be.
Then they're gonna buy it.
Mm-hmm.
I'm not saying I'm scamming, I'mjust using it to my advantage.
(16:28):
That's incredible.
And.
I made four.
I made 500, uh, for that grade.
And in fourth grade I got a newone called the Bamboo Lab X one
Carbon.
Mm-hmm.
It was like the, the new 3Dprinter came like a year before.
Mm-hmm.
It was like the best 3D printerever.
I actually still have it, andit, it's like a really good 3D
printer.
Cool.
(16:48):
And that year, I think I madeclose to a thousand dollars.
I think I made like 900 andsomething dollars.
Brooke (16:54):
Wow.
Lucio (16:55):
And that's when I'm like, I actually make this like a
public business.
Brooke (17:01):
So you're making$10,000 a month?
Through YouTube?
Yeah, through YouTube.
What is it?
Through ads or,
Lucio (17:07):
Honestly, it, it's a mix of both.
It's a mix of ads with contentcreation.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah.
And all of the money goes into asaving account that my
Brooke (17:17):
mom manages.
Do brands ever reach out to youwanting you to do things for
them?
Lucio (17:23):
Well sometimes yeah, but then I'm like, no, not really.
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My next question for you, sinceyou've been such an early
adopter of ai, take me to whenyou first started learning,
you're teaching yourself onYouTube, did you have any
challenges of adapting and usingAI in the beginning?
(18:17):
Yes.
Lucio (18:18):
So when I first started, um, ai mm-hmm.
Was when ChatGPT first came out.
Yes.
In 2022.
I'm gonna be honest, it wasterrible.
Compared to G, to GPT 5.0,
Brooke (18:30):
yes.
Lucio (18:31):
It's, it was absolutely trash, I'm be honest.
But I learned how to use otherai, like InVideo AI
Brooke (18:39):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (18:40):
I used it, my first video, I think I posted it my,
my first video ever.
Mm-hmm.
I posted it.
I wanna give you the exact dateso I posted it two years ago
October.
Brooke (18:56):
I'll have to subscribe to your YouTube.
Lucio (18:57):
It was on October 8th.
My first video, a day after Iposted it, it got 12,000 views.
What?
And I was like, I thought that Iwas gonna get like, two views at
most.
Because I was new to YouTube, Iwas new to everything.
Brooke (19:14):
Yeah.
Lucio (19:15):
And I used to be in love with Vines World, so I had a
channel called Lucho World.
And I used to like do videogames and stuff that I made.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah.
But honestly it wasn't really mypassion.
AI was my passion.
So I made those and I'm like,this could really be a success.
(19:35):
Mm-hmm.
So now after that, I startedmaking videos like that.
And those kept getting thousandsof views.
Brooke (19:41):
Yeah, so you and I, before we jumped on this
interview, you mentioned thatyou got into drop shipping too.
Yes.
So tell me about thatexperience.
So
Lucio (19:55):
it was like a year ago.
Okay.
I saw like this guy selling acourse for drop shipping Uhhuh.
I'm like, I wonder what dropshipping is.
Like how I was wondering, oh,what is ai?
I didn't know what AI was atthat time.
Brooke (20:12):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm like,
Lucio (20:13):
what is drop shipping?
And then I, did the course, itwas free.
I'm like, okay, it's not anymoney.
I'll do it a week.
I did it and I first started onShopify.
Yes.
And.
Honestly, it took me a while toget, um, money from there.
Wow.
I'd say it took me like twomonths.
(20:35):
That's when I got my first sale.
I was selling like, okay, let meexplain what drop shipping is
first.
Yeah, please do.
Because if I, if I don't say whyit is, it is become complicated.
Mm-hmm.
Drop shipping is when there's asupplier.
And there is, um, the customer.
Mm-hmm.
Normally it would be supplierwould give to a store, which a
(21:00):
store would sell to thecustomer, but technically in
drop shipping, I would be thestore.
So I'm like the middle middlemanand I, I, I just make the
website and I have theconnections to drop shipping and
the customer.
So once a customer.
Uh, would buy for me.
So I used to sell like theselike fidget, boomerang, spinner
(21:24):
things?
Yeah.
Well, once a customer would buyit, I would purchase it from the
supplier and the supplier wouldsend it directly to the to
customer.
Yes.
That's where drop shipping is.
Okay.
So in my, so for the first twomonths, I made nothing until I
got my first sale.
I think it was like$15.
Brooke (21:45):
And I'm
Lucio (21:46):
like, okay, it took a while, but I'll keep doing it.
If I don't get any more in thenext three months, I'm gonna
stop it.
Brooke (21:53):
Yeah.
Lucio (21:53):
For like the next, like, like two or three months, I got
one sale, two sales, threesales, four sale I got, and it
was three in those three months.
20 sales.
Wow.
And I'm like, okay, now this,I'm not gonna stop it.
I'm not gonna stop it.
After that it kept, it got bitlow.
It was like up and down, up anddown.
Mm-hmm.
I got, I had a lot of sales.
(22:15):
I had lower, I didn't have a lotof sales.
Like how the stock market goes,it crashes, it goes up like it's
life.
Life goes up and down.
Brooke (22:25):
And so you transitioned out of that?
Well, I didn't finish my storyyet.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Please finish your story.
Lucio (22:32):
Um, and I made around close to like a thousand dollars
from that.
I take, actually I think it wasbit more than a thousand.
I think I got like 1,100 andsomething.
Yeah.
I don't exactly remember.
Yeah.
But then.
I kept going.
And then after that Pete wassaying, drop shipping is dead.
And I'm like, Hmm, I know it'snot.
(22:53):
But then when Trump made thetariffs, I used to buy from
suppliers in China.
Brooke (22:59):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (23:00):
And it was like a couple cents for, um, like one thing.
Mm-hmm.
Now it was like$3 for one thing,and I couldn't afford that I had
a lot of sales.
It was like, like 50 sales,$3,like$150 and I didn't have a lot
of I couldn't do that.
So you had to refund everybody?
I didn't refund, I didn't refundanybody.
I, because see I should havedone completely.
(23:21):
I like, I'm not doing this.
I cannot do this.
I, this is not, it's not good.
And that's when.
I posted drop Shipping's Dead.
How many views did that videoget?
Couple thousand and that's whenI focused more on my AI channel.
Brooke (23:40):
Cool.
So bring us to today.
I hear you're really into AIagents.
Is that true?
I am, yeah.
Lucio (23:48):
Well, I made, an AI agent for my mom.
It was for bookkeeping andnormally um, bookkeeping without
like anything like on a book.
How long would it take?
A week or two, depending on howfast you are.
Okay.
A regular person, I think itwould take a week or two.
(24:08):
I made a GPT for a custom GGPTfor her.
Okay.
To do all of her bookkeeping,and within 20, 25 minutes it was
sent.
It was sent, it was all done.
It was all finished.
Wow.
It was all perfect.
Brooke (24:22):
And how long did it take you to make that custom GPT?
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
And so what kind of things areyou building now with agents?
What do you build?
Lucio (24:32):
Well, I'm making like, I have like, um, N AI that I make
scripts mm-hmm.
For my videos.
Okay.
I made one, one for my sister'cause she's an ambassador in a
program called Earth Co.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I built a custom GGPT for herthat actually is helpful for me
too.
That like creates scripts orvideos and ideas or videos.
(24:54):
Mm-hmm.
And after she used it, she waslike, oh wow, it's so good.
Thank you so much, Lucio.
And I'm like, you're welcome.
And I used that for my videostoo.
So do you have clients that youmake agents for now?
Yeah.
So like, like I have peoplecoming to me saying, can you
make an agent for me?
That's literally me.
(25:14):
So I say, okay, give, me allyour details, your name, your
birthday, everything about you.
I'll put it into a custom GPT.
I charge them close to like$50,but I told them that each time
someone uses it, I get like aroyalty.
Wow.
And they agreed to it.
(25:34):
So I make more money from thatand people ask me to do that.
I.
Because$50 just like one GPT,it's overpriced.
Definitely.
Or maybe not.
We know.
We don't know.
Brooke (25:46):
Yeah.
We're all just learning this aswe go.
Lucio (25:48):
Yeah.
And when Sora came out mm-hmm.
I'm like, okay, this is cool.
But then when.
V03 came out.
I'm like, oh, this is, this isway, way cooler.
It's way more realistic.
Yes.
Because V03 still divided thelaws of gravity.
Mm-hmm.
But so like the regular Sora didit way more.
Yeah.
(26:10):
So then when, so two came outwhen you said we're all
learning.
Brooke (26:14):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (26:15):
When switch two came out like a week ago.
It was so much better.
And I'm planning to use that tolike promote things that I do
and it's really cool.
What other apps are you usingright now?
Let's see, I use ShortX.
Um hmm.
Base 4 44.
(26:36):
What's that?
Uh, Base44 is an app that cancreate any apps or websites for
you?
Hmm.
So I created, um, so during thesummer, like this summer I was
bored.
So I created something calledMath Quest and I would do math
and it would gimme like points.
(26:56):
It was like a fun game like avideo game I made for myself.
It's better than coding bymyself.
Yeah.
It's like vibe coding.
And then after that.
I needed to create 3D modelsfrom an image.
Mm-hmm.
So what I did is I said, make mean app that can make 3D models
to 3D print from an image.
Brooke (27:17):
Hmm.
Lucio (27:17):
So it did that and it went well.
I used that.
I didn't publish it yet, but I'mthinking about creating an app.
I dunno why, but I'm thinkingabout creating an app that can
be helpful for.
I like all ais.
Mm-hmm.
I was thinking of like a mix oflike a bunch of like ais into
one thing.
Really?
Like ChatGPT Gemini, grok, andlike a bunch of other ones.
Brooke (27:41):
It sounds like the vortex that the collective
created.
Have you used the Vortex yet?
Lucio (27:46):
I have not.
Brooke (27:47):
Oh, you should talk to Jonathan about that.
I'll, because that's what himand Eric have been working on.
You log in and it has likeGoogle, Gemini Grok.
Lucio (27:57):
Mm-hmm.
Brooke (27:57):
Chacha, Petit, Claude, all of them in it.
Lucio (28:01):
Yeah,
Brooke (28:02):
so take me through the process of how you create agents
or custom gpt and then you sellit to people.
How do you sell people access?
To be able to use your apps andcharge them.
Lucio (28:14):
I would test it out, and if it was good, then what I
would do is I would take a link,I would send it to the person,
and if they liked it mm-hmm.
Then they would say, okay, yeah.
How much is it?
I would say$50.
It depends on what it is.
If it's for like businesspurposes, we'd be more, if it's
a personal use, I would, I wouldsay, okay, fine.
(28:36):
I'll give it to a bit less, butnot too much.
Brooke (28:38):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (28:40):
But, so then, um, if, if you try and scam me instead,
'cause I, I would give them alink.
I'm the owner of it so I canremove to their access
immediately
Brooke (28:51):
from it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lucio (28:51):
So I, I don't know, I don't let people know that, but
that is a thing.
Brooke (28:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (28:56):
So I wouldn't let people scam me.
I only scam.
Okay.
No, I'm kidding.
You're on
Brooke (29:02):
top of it.
Yes.
Lucio (29:04):
So, yeah.
And that, that's how I wouldsell.
Brooke (29:09):
What other advice do you have for people who are just
getting into AI and, and wannamake money off of it?
What advice do you have?
Lucio (29:17):
Hmm.
Let see.
If you're starting it in ai,don't expect for things to come
in like this.
It'll take some time.
Mm.
Just have patience.
Have
Brooke (29:28):
patience.
That is very smart to sharebecause I think a lot of people
think AI is gonna be this likelight switch where you just turn
it on and you know how to useeverything.
Lucio (29:37):
Well
Brooke (29:37):
But it's a slow process of learn, relearning everything.
Lucio (29:41):
Well with me.
Mm-hmm.
It was slow because like chatGBT was slow.
Right.
But now, like GPT5 people arelike getting into ai, like, I'd
say like today.
Brooke (29:51):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (29:51):
Honestly, I'd say it would take about a good day or
two for them to learn about ai.
Brooke (29:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (29:57):
It depends on what they do.
If they, if they do what I didfor at first, it'll probably
take a day or two if they do.
Like courses for like a couplehours I'd say, or do something
else.
Mm-hmm.
I'd say a day.
But max amount, two days.
But still two days is a while.
Brooke (30:18):
Yeah.
You can do a lot in two days.
Lucio (30:20):
And one quote that I came up.
Was, and you know how people sayall the time, oh, AI is the
future.
Oh, robots are the fu.
Okay, maybe robots are thefuture, but AI is the future.
No, AI is the present.
Brooke (30:37):
Mm, AI is the present, not just the future.
AI is the present.
I like that quote.
Thank you.
Any more questions?
Um, yes.
I'd love to know what are youbuilding right now?
What are projects are you doing?
Lucio (30:48):
Um, so I, I've decided to take a break from my AI
channels.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because they haven't shown a lotof success in the last couple
months.
Brooke (30:58):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (30:59):
So, well, I think is that now AI is evolving and I have to
evolve with it.
So I'm just still deciding whatI should do.
I've gotten some suggestionsfrom the people at the
collective.
Mm-hmm.
I might do that.
And I'm thinking about creatingsome apps that I can help
everyday life and sell it on theapp store and have like some
(31:20):
subscriptions.
I'm thinking of it.
Brooke (31:22):
Okay.
If you were to wave a magic wandand be able to create an app
overnight, what would you do?
Lucio (31:28):
I think that's, a wand.
It's called Base 44.
The, the one that I can createapps like in second.
Brooke (31:35):
Base 44 is the one where you create apps?
Yes.
Lucio (31:37):
So base 44 is the wand.
If I was to like wave a magicwand, I would create, Hmm.
An app that could track like afitness app?
Also like an app that couldlike.
Help kids.
Mm.
Learn how to be like me.
(31:58):
Mm-hmm.
Like help, like it can help kidslike a, a course, but like an
app, like, you know, like aDuolingo.
Brooke (32:06):
Yeah.
The fun game to learn languages.
Lucio (32:09):
It could be like, oh, Duolingo coding.
Oh, fun.
It could be like, like an app.
I can, I can teach you how tocode.
Like I know there's likescratch, but it doesn't like
teach you how to code.
Code.
Brooke (32:21):
So I
Lucio (32:21):
think I Duolingo, I, I something like do like a mix of
Duolingo and coding.
Mm-hmm.
I think that I can make an applike that.
Brooke (32:28):
Do you feel like a lot of kids are learning how to code
and are into ai like you are?
Lucio (32:35):
Not a lot of kids, not a lot because I know some kids are
like, oh, I just wanna relax.
It's my childhood.
I respect that.
I respect that.
That's not me.
I mean, yeah, I wanna live by mychildhood.
I do, but'I don't wanna be justlazy all the day and just do
nothing on the weekends.
I'm not the kind of person Iwanna be out there.
(32:57):
Yeah.
Like this.
Most kids would be like, no, Idon't wanna go to this AI
conference.
I'm like, I wanna go to this AIconference.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna be in thesethings.
It's not I don't, don't getforced to be, uh, these things
or forced to do these things.
I do it by myself.
Brooke (33:11):
Yeah.
Are you in any other communitiesother than the collective or
organizations where you get totalk about ai?
Lucio (33:18):
No, but.
At my school, the principalwants like me to help like the
school be like a lot better.
Mm.
Because he heard about what Iwas doing with my mom with the
bookkeeping.
Brooke (33:32):
How do you think schools can get better with ai?
What, how would you help them?
Lucio (33:37):
Let's see.
So with their curriculum uh, soI know, um, this ai, I forgot
what it's called, but there'sthis AI that, like you take a
quiz and it focuses on what youcan do and you can't do.
Yeah.
And it's like a quiz, like onall of the subjects.
Brooke (33:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (33:57):
And it, it personalizes on.
What you need to work on.
Yeah, so that's kind of like acurriculum, AI curriculum.
Okay.
But what can help, like theschool.
AI budgeting system.
'cause that with privateschools, they have budgets.
Brooke (34:12):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (34:13):
Public schools definitely have budgets.
Yeah.
So like a budgeting system.
I don't, don't think that likeAI is gonna take over like
teaching jobs.
'cause like teachers need tolike, be able to like, connect
with the students.
So to help, like schools ingeneral, curriculum based.
Mm-hmm.
Like a personalized system thatcan help students get better on
(34:35):
what they are.
And new, like teaching formats,new teaching formats,
Brooke (34:40):
So it sounds like you are a very driven entrepreneur
at a young age.
Are you into finance tech?
Do you do cryptocurrency andblockchain?
Lucio (34:51):
I've been told that I should do that.
Brooke (34:55):
Yeah.
Lucio (34:55):
And that's what I think that I, I should do for my next
project.
Yeah.
I should do cryptocurrency andum, blockchain.
Brooke (35:04):
Something to look into.
I just interviewed the chairmanjust before you, as you know,
and you got to meet him.
Um, you'll have to listen to hisepisode and talk to him some
more.
I'm sure he would love to mentoryou,
Lucio (35:16):
yes, definitely.
I would love, love him to
Brooke (35:18):
mentor me.
Wonderful.
Well, if you have one keytakeaway, something that you
wanna share to anybody listeningto this podcast, what would you
want to say?
Lucio (35:30):
If you ever feel like giving up always think about
what you have done.
And let's say you, you have donenothing.
Think about what you can do.
Don't think about giving up or,oh, I can't do this.
Think about, oh, I didn't dothis, but I can do it.
I tried, but I can try more.
(35:52):
Never give up, never back down,never give up.
Brooke (35:56):
Beautiful.
Such kind last words and veryencouraging.
So, if listeners, on the podcastwant to reach out to you, how
can they connect with you?
You
Lucio (36:08):
can reach out to me on my email, um, Bacardi Lucho 20
fourteen@gmail.com.
I don't focus on Instagram, butit's the moneymaker 23 1.
It's like the moneymaker.
20 31.
Brooke (36:23):
I'll make sure to link it in the show notes in the
description.
I'll also tag out your YouTubeeven though you're not really
spending time on it but peoplecan see and check out your
channel and see all theincredible things that you
built.
It's called the AI historian.
The AI historian is yourchannel.
Lucio (36:40):
Yes.
Brooke (36:41):
Thank you so much, Lucio.
You're my official youngestguest to date and such an
inspiration for kids out there.
And truly, you know, I love thatyou always come to our events
and you say, AI is easy, AI iseasy.
I think it's so inspiring andum, empowering.
So.
You probably encouraged a lot ofpeople to get into learning
(37:04):
today, so thank you so much forthat.
Thank you.
Wow I hope today's episodeopened your mind to what's
possible with AI.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
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It'll take some time.
Mm.
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My guest today, Lucio is 11years old and he's already
building his online empire atjust as age.
He's earning$10,000 a month onYouTube.
He developed a math video gamewith an app builder just for
fun, and he also gets paid tocreate custom gpt that generate
(01:57):
him royalties.
But what I love most aboutLucio's story isn't how much
money he's making with ai.
It's how he approaches learningfrom dropshipping to 3D printing
to his Shopify store.
He really is experimenting withit all.
He's even honest about the rulesthat he gives himself when using
AI for homework so that he'salways still learning.
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His story is a reminder that AIisn't a light switch.
It takes curiosity, creativity,and a willingness to find your
own unique flow with trial anderror.
So stay tuned to learn how Luciouses AI to build, learn, and
lead by example for a whole newgeneration of creators.
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Hello everyone.
I'm your host, Brooke Gramer.
Today I have my youngest guest.
To date, Lucio Boccardi He is insixth grade.
He is 11 years old.
He's an entrepreneur, he's afounder, and he's a genius
self-proclaimed.
I'm so happy to have you here.
(03:03):
Thank you so much.
Lucio (03:04):
Thank you.
Thank you for me having me.
Brooke (03:06):
Let's share about your journey and how you got to where
you are today
Lucio (03:09):
so when I was a lot younger, I wanted to play video
games.
Mm-hmm.
My mom told me, if you wannaplay video games, you have to
call you on video games.
So that's what I did.
I learned how to code and I codemy, my, my first video game.
It was fun.
And then I started doing thatand then fast forward three,
(03:30):
four years later.
I'm nine years old.
I see.
I see these AI videos, they'relike historic videos and I'm
like, wow, I, that's reallycool.
I really want to make that.
Mm-hmm.
And then I search on YouTube,how to make the AI videos.
Yeah.
And it shows me how to do it.
Within the first two months, Iget a couple thousand views and
(03:51):
then four months later.
I make my first$2,000.
Wow.
And then fast forward, like sixmonths later, I'm making$10K
month now.
Wow.
And now I'm, I'm thinking aboutdoing something else with ai.
I just haven't figured out what.
Brooke (04:10):
That's incredible.
And so did you always love mathand science?
At what point did you realizeyou were like, oh, I'm really
into this, more computer stuff?
Lucio (04:20):
I realized when I was about like in fourth grade.
Like I was always excited to goon computers and like to go on
my computer back when I got fromschool.
I'm like, I'm so excited.
I'm like.
I'm really excited about this.
Mm-hmm.
That's when I said, if I'mreally excited, I should get
more into it.
That's when I started doing morethings, and that's how the
success followed me with it.
Brooke (04:41):
Cool.
So what do you do every day whenyou're playing with technology?
What are you using right now?
Lucio (04:47):
Well, it's not like I, I just like focusing my, my entire
life on technology and ai.
Brooke (04:55):
Yes.
Lucio (04:56):
I, during the weekends, that's really the time that I
work on ai, but like, two hoursevery day for the weekend for,
so two days.
Two hours.
So four hours every weekend.
But on the weekdays I dohomework, schoolwork, nothing
late.
Of course, I get, I have goodgrades and then I socialize with
my friends all the time.
Yeah, I've a pretty normal life.
Brooke (05:18):
And so when you're spending time playing on the
weekends, what do you do?
Do you use specific apps?
Are you building your ownsoftware?
Well,
Lucio (05:29):
to create, um, the videos over the years, I've done many
ways.
First by using something calledInvideo AI.
Okay?
And then after that.
It stopped getting views.
So then I started hiring peopleto make the reels for me.
It was successful at first.
Then I realized that I'm wastingmy money paying people to do it.
(05:52):
I can just do it myself.
So I started doing myself, andthen I did not make it good.
Because like I had to use likeAdobe and stuff.
I wasn't good at it.
Then I found an AI called ShortXOh.
And it can create those in likefive minutes and be better than
that i, I paid for way better.
(06:14):
Really short X.
It's called Short X, and I thinkaround six months ago they came
out with like a new type video.
It's like a would you'd rather.
Brooke (06:25):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (06:25):
And started focusing on that.
Those, like a couple thousandsof views
Brooke (06:31):
I use Descript to edit my videos.
Have you ever played with anyvideo software?
Lucio (06:36):
I've tried DeScript, but I, I tried it like before, like
all the new features came out.
Yeah.
Because now, uh, I think it's,yeah descript, you can like edit
with ai they can make it like,yes.
Yeah.
Brooke (06:49):
So how do you come up with the ideas of the projects
you wanna do?
Lucio (06:53):
Like the like type of videos.
Mm-hmm.
So really it's either I see aniche online, like it says like,
five um, facts about ancientEgypt.
Brooke (07:05):
Hmm.
I, I
Lucio (07:05):
would, I would copy like the title, but I wouldn't copy
the facts.
I would get a completelydifferent facts.
Yeah.
Because I'm not the type ofperson to copy.
Yes.
And then I would get more viewsthan that person.
And if I can't, um, come up withone or I've done all the ones,
I'd ask ChatGPT and it wouldgive me good ones and I would
get good views on that.
Brooke (07:25):
Wow.
So how long does it take you tomake a video?
Lucio (07:30):
Like the whole process or just making a video or like
publishing it?
Brooke (07:34):
The whole process.
Lucio (07:35):
Whole process.
Let's see.
To make it five minutes.
Okay.
Then to upload it, to doeverything, two minutes, seven
minutes each video.
Wow.
And then I'd say in the firsthour it'll get like 500 views.
Mm-hmm.
And then I'd say the next day,like 10,000 views.
(07:56):
And this
Brooke (07:56):
is all on
Lucio (07:57):
YouTube.
All on YouTube.
Okay.
And I've tried on Instagram, butlike, ugh I'm not used to
Instagram, TikTok.
Honestly, I like YouTube better,but I know that one time, um,
one day you YouTube is not gonnabe popular.
It's gonna probably gonna beInstagram or a new thing that's
gonna come out soon, or TikTokor another social media.
(08:19):
And I'm gonna have to move tothat'cause I am not like, I stay
behind, like on the race.
Brooke (08:25):
I just got into YouTube.
I just launched my channel ahandful of weeks ago, so it's
brand new to me and I could seeso many benefits of it.
Do you feel like you've grown anonline community on there?
I can say pretty much I have,yeah.
That's cool.
So do you like to do full videosor do you do YouTube shorts?
Lucio (08:44):
I've tried a couple, um, full videos, but like.
No one wants to watch a fullvideo.
Yeah.
I think that shorts are it andthe shorts.
I always get a lot of views onthose.
Brooke (08:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (08:56):
So, during COVID, my school shut down and I had to be
homeschooled, by my mom forthree years before I went into
real school again.
Wow.
So her home schooling me, pluslike her telling me, I have to
make the video games.
That all shaped me to be who Iam today making$10K month.
(09:18):
And I also have a 3D printingbusiness.
Oh.
Called 3D Genius.
Okay.
And yes, AI created a name forme.
Brooke (09:25):
AI came up with your name.
Yeah.
I ask AI a lot as well as anentrepreneur.
And, um, when I was kickstarting my business, it helped
me come up with my, websitedomain names and I just, uh,
launched an online community aswell and it helped me name
everything and I use it a lotfor copywriting and ideas in
that way too.
Lucio (09:45):
Yeah.
One, uh, good thing.
Wait, like few prompts did yousay like, pretend you are a, you
Brooke (09:53):
know, I wanna say I prompt it every time in the
right way, but I don't, Iactually like to use AI in a
very conversational back andforth mode.
Same with me.
I do though think that becauseI've using, been using ChatGPT
for so long and I make sure thememory's all updated and it
(10:13):
knows my background and mygoals.
But if I am doing somethingreally important, I will be
like, okay.
Uh, like for example, if I'mdoing a media pitch I will be
like, act like this.
Mm-hmm.
And I'll give it a roll becauseI want it to really give me
advice, maybe on an angle or anindustry I'm not super familiar
with yet.
Um, but how do you prompt?
Lucio (10:35):
If it's like something very important, like, like I
need to, like do something.
Okay.
I use ChatGPT for schoolwork,but not to do it for me.
Mm-hmm.
I used it to help me.
So I say like, let's say, um.
Like a book, a report.
I need some facts.
I'll say oh, pretend you arelike, I forgot the name.
(10:56):
But like, it's someone who knowsa lot of facts and say uh, what
are some facts about this?
I would like tell it, pretendyou are a, actually, I wouldn't
say pretend.
I'm saying you are a lawyer,what should I do in this
situation?
Like I would say something likethat.
Wow.
Course I don't need a lawyer,
Brooke (11:16):
but it's an example.
Yeah.
Let's go back to your schoolingthat you mentioned.
Mm-hmm.
So it sounds like you haveexperienced homeschooling,
homeschooling, and alsotraditional schooling.
Yes.
What do you like better?
Lucio (11:31):
Traditional school.
Okay.
Those three years of not sosocializing.
It kind of affected me becauselike I don't know, I like
traditional school, but I'm verygrateful that my mom because
without homeschooling me, Idon't know what would've
happened.
Yeah, I know is I wouldn't behere today as like this kind of
person.
Brooke (11:52):
Do you feel like there's a lot of kids in your grade who
are using ai?
Uh, definitely, but for thewrong reasons.
Oh, really?
To cheat.
Lucio (12:04):
Yes, but some kids, but there's some other kids who I've
taught how to use AI to helpthem.
Mm-hmm.
And their, their grades havegone from B'S to a's.
Brooke (12:16):
Oh, that's great.
How do you use AI for homework?
What subject?
Let's say science.
Science.
How would you use AI to help youwith science Homework.
Lucio (12:29):
Okay, let's, um, let's say I need a definition of a
chemical.
I would send a picture of it.
Mm-hmm.
I would say, give me thedefinitions of these words and
say, oxygen, carbon, it was, andI would say it.
'cause if it was on paper, Iwould do it.
'cause I actually have to writeit down.
Brooke (12:48):
Yeah.
Lucio (12:50):
Because even if I don't have the definition, I would
have to go inside a dictionaryor switch it on my computer.
So ChatGPT puts it on computerand a dictionary all in one.
So that's how I do it.
But if it's online mm-hmm.
I wouldn't do it.
'cause that is cheating.
Mm.
You just have to copy and pasteit.
Brooke (13:07):
So take me back to that moment where you decided to be
an entrepreneur and start yourown business.
Lucio (13:12):
Uh,
Brooke (13:13):
where did you learn about business.
And when did you decide I wannabe my own boss?
Lucio (13:19):
Well, it's not really.
I wanna be my own boss but sinceI was little we watched Shark
Tank.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So when like, I saw thesepeople, they were saying like,
like equity and everything.
I'm like, what is that?
I searched it up.
It means like how much percentof the business.
Mm-hmm.
(13:39):
I was like, Hmm, that's reallycool.
And then I started my 3Dprinting business when I was in
third grade.
Mm-hmm.
And at my old school, we hadsomething called
entrepreneurship class.
Wow.
So we would learn how to be likea businessman, but.
That didn't really like, what weused to do is we used to have
(14:00):
like marketplaces, so we used tolike sell people, like things
like a market.
Cool.
But I learned I wanted to be abusiness way before that.
And it was just I liked, makingthings with like 3D printing I
liked.
Mm-hmm.
Not having, I guess I saw likein the movies, oh, you're fired
or a bunch of things like that.
(14:21):
And I'm like, I don't want thatto happen to me.
It's not gonna happen.
So, so I decided I wanna be anentrepreneur and it paid off.
Brooke (14:31):
Absolutely.
When did you start to get into3D printing?
Lucio (14:35):
Now that honestly is a good story.
In third grade, um, there, therewas this kid.
Who like really inspired me.
He used to be into like, like alot 3D printing.
And I'm like, that's reallycool.
I asked him about it, and thenhe's like, oh yeah, it's this,
and that.
He's like, oh, it creates thelayers.
(14:55):
And after that I was asking mymom about it, my sister, my dad.
And then after that I'm like,okay, I wanna get a 3D printer.
I got my 3D printer.
It was not good.
A good 3D printer.
It wasn't a good one.
We sent it back, but then afterthat I was like, how about we
(15:16):
get 3D printer and I make thingswith people in my class, and
after that I sell it to them.
Wow.
So then we, I got a new 3Dprinter and it was actually
really, it wasn't that good, butit was like good for a starter
3D printer.
So then actually with that 3Dprinter I made around and that,
(15:38):
I had that app printer for likethird grade and fourth grade got
a new one.
But in third grade I, I'd say Imade like$500.
Brooke (15:46):
Wow.
How much would you sell a 3Dprinting item?
Four typically.
It depends what, what if it waslike a little paper cat?
Paper cat?
Lucio (15:59):
Honestly the good things that the kids in my class
Brooke (16:01):
mm-hmm.
Lucio (16:03):
Did not know prices.
So I would charge that for$10.
Brooke (16:06):
Wow.
Even though
Lucio (16:07):
that, that like to cost it mm-hmm.
Would probably cost like.
3 cents.
Wow.
Yes.
Three, three printing.
Well, a new community does notknow what the price is.
Mm-hmm.
Like what it should be.
Then they're gonna buy it.
Mm-hmm.
I'm not saying I'm scamming, I'mjust using it to my advantage.
(16:28):
That's incredible.
And.
I made four.
I made 500, uh, for that grade.
And in fourth grade I got a newone called the Bamboo Lab X one
Carbon.
Mm-hmm.
It was like the, the new 3Dprinter came like a year before.
Mm-hmm.
It was like the best 3D printerever.
I actually still have it, andit, it's like a really good 3D
printer.
Cool.
(16:48):
And that year, I think I madeclose to a thousand dollars.
I think I made like 900 andsomething dollars.
Brooke (16:54):
Wow.
Lucio (16:55):
And that's when I'm like, I actually make this like a
public business.
Brooke (17:01):
So you're making$10,000 a month?
Through YouTube?
Yeah, through YouTube.
What is it?
Through ads or,
Lucio (17:07):
Honestly, it, it's a mix of both.
It's a mix of ads with contentcreation.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah.
And all of the money goes into asaving account that my
Brooke (17:17):
mom manages.
Do brands ever reach out to youwanting you to do things for
them?
Lucio (17:23):
Well sometimes yeah, but then I'm like, no, not really.
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My next question for you, sinceyou've been such an early
adopter of ai, take me to whenyou first started learning,
you're teaching yourself onYouTube, did you have any
challenges of adapting and usingAI in the beginning?
(18:17):
Yes.
Lucio (18:18):
So when I first started, um, ai mm-hmm.
Was when ChatGPT first came out.
Yes.
In 2022.
I'm gonna be honest, it wasterrible.
Compared to G, to GPT 5.0,
Brooke (18:30):
yes.
Lucio (18:31):
It's, it was absolutely trash, I'm be honest.
But I learned how to use otherai, like InVideo AI
Brooke (18:39):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (18:40):
I used it, my first video, I think I posted it my,
my first video ever.
Mm-hmm.
I posted it.
I wanna give you the exact dateso I posted it two years ago
October.
Brooke (18:56):
I'll have to subscribe to your YouTube.
Lucio (18:57):
It was on October 8th.
My first video, a day after Iposted it, it got 12,000 views.
What?
And I was like, I thought that Iwas gonna get like, two views at
most.
Because I was new to YouTube, Iwas new to everything.
Brooke (19:14):
Yeah.
Lucio (19:15):
And I used to be in love with Vines World, so I had a
channel called Lucho World.
And I used to like do videogames and stuff that I made.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah.
But honestly it wasn't really mypassion.
AI was my passion.
So I made those and I'm like,this could really be a success.
(19:35):
Mm-hmm.
So now after that, I startedmaking videos like that.
And those kept getting thousandsof views.
Brooke (19:41):
Yeah, so you and I, before we jumped on this
interview, you mentioned thatyou got into drop shipping too.
Yes.
So tell me about thatexperience.
So
Lucio (19:55):
it was like a year ago.
Okay.
I saw like this guy selling acourse for drop shipping Uhhuh.
I'm like, I wonder what dropshipping is.
Like how I was wondering, oh,what is ai?
I didn't know what AI was atthat time.
Brooke (20:12):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm like,
Lucio (20:13):
what is drop shipping?
And then I, did the course, itwas free.
I'm like, okay, it's not anymoney.
I'll do it a week.
I did it and I first started onShopify.
Yes.
And.
Honestly, it took me a while toget, um, money from there.
Wow.
I'd say it took me like twomonths.
(20:35):
That's when I got my first sale.
I was selling like, okay, let meexplain what drop shipping is
first.
Yeah, please do.
Because if I, if I don't say whyit is, it is become complicated.
Mm-hmm.
Drop shipping is when there's asupplier.
And there is, um, the customer.
Mm-hmm.
Normally it would be supplierwould give to a store, which a
(21:00):
store would sell to thecustomer, but technically in
drop shipping, I would be thestore.
So I'm like the middle middlemanand I, I, I just make the
website and I have theconnections to drop shipping and
the customer.
So once a customer.
Uh, would buy for me.
So I used to sell like theselike fidget, boomerang, spinner
(21:24):
things?
Yeah.
Well, once a customer would buyit, I would purchase it from the
supplier and the supplier wouldsend it directly to the to
customer.
Yes.
That's where drop shipping is.
Okay.
So in my, so for the first twomonths, I made nothing until I
got my first sale.
I think it was like$15.
Brooke (21:45):
And I'm
Lucio (21:46):
like, okay, it took a while, but I'll keep doing it.
If I don't get any more in thenext three months, I'm gonna
stop it.
Brooke (21:53):
Yeah.
Lucio (21:53):
For like the next, like, like two or three months, I got
one sale, two sales, threesales, four sale I got, and it
was three in those three months.
20 sales.
Wow.
And I'm like, okay, now this,I'm not gonna stop it.
I'm not gonna stop it.
After that it kept, it got bitlow.
It was like up and down, up anddown.
Mm-hmm.
I got, I had a lot of sales.
(22:15):
I had lower, I didn't have a lotof sales.
Like how the stock market goes,it crashes, it goes up like it's
life.
Life goes up and down.
Brooke (22:25):
And so you transitioned out of that?
Well, I didn't finish my storyyet.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Please finish your story.
Lucio (22:32):
Um, and I made around close to like a thousand dollars
from that.
I take, actually I think it wasbit more than a thousand.
I think I got like 1,100 andsomething.
Yeah.
I don't exactly remember.
Yeah.
But then.
I kept going.
And then after that Pete wassaying, drop shipping is dead.
And I'm like, Hmm, I know it'snot.
(22:53):
But then when Trump made thetariffs, I used to buy from
suppliers in China.
Brooke (22:59):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (23:00):
And it was like a couple cents for, um, like one thing.
Mm-hmm.
Now it was like$3 for one thing,and I couldn't afford that I had
a lot of sales.
It was like, like 50 sales,$3,like$150 and I didn't have a lot
of I couldn't do that.
So you had to refund everybody?
I didn't refund, I didn't refundanybody.
I, because see I should havedone completely.
(23:21):
I like, I'm not doing this.
I cannot do this.
I, this is not, it's not good.
And that's when.
I posted drop Shipping's Dead.
How many views did that videoget?
Couple thousand and that's whenI focused more on my AI channel.
Brooke (23:40):
Cool.
So bring us to today.
I hear you're really into AIagents.
Is that true?
I am, yeah.
Lucio (23:48):
Well, I made, an AI agent for my mom.
It was for bookkeeping andnormally um, bookkeeping without
like anything like on a book.
How long would it take?
A week or two, depending on howfast you are.
Okay.
A regular person, I think itwould take a week or two.
(24:08):
I made a GPT for a custom GGPTfor her.
Okay.
To do all of her bookkeeping,and within 20, 25 minutes it was
sent.
It was sent, it was all done.
It was all finished.
Wow.
It was all perfect.
Brooke (24:22):
And how long did it take you to make that custom GPT?
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
And so what kind of things areyou building now with agents?
What do you build?
Lucio (24:32):
Well, I'm making like, I have like, um, N AI that I make
scripts mm-hmm.
For my videos.
Okay.
I made one, one for my sister'cause she's an ambassador in a
program called Earth Co.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I built a custom GGPT for herthat actually is helpful for me
too.
That like creates scripts orvideos and ideas or videos.
(24:54):
Mm-hmm.
And after she used it, she waslike, oh wow, it's so good.
Thank you so much, Lucio.
And I'm like, you're welcome.
And I used that for my videostoo.
So do you have clients that youmake agents for now?
Yeah.
So like, like I have peoplecoming to me saying, can you
make an agent for me?
That's literally me.
(25:14):
So I say, okay, give, me allyour details, your name, your
birthday, everything about you.
I'll put it into a custom GPT.
I charge them close to like$50,but I told them that each time
someone uses it, I get like aroyalty.
Wow.
And they agreed to it.
(25:34):
So I make more money from thatand people ask me to do that.
I.
Because$50 just like one GPT,it's overpriced.
Definitely.
Or maybe not.
We know.
We don't know.
Brooke (25:46):
Yeah.
We're all just learning this aswe go.
Lucio (25:48):
Yeah.
And when Sora came out mm-hmm.
I'm like, okay, this is cool.
But then when.
V03 came out.
I'm like, oh, this is, this isway, way cooler.
It's way more realistic.
Yes.
Because V03 still divided thelaws of gravity.
Mm-hmm.
But so like the regular Sora didit way more.
Yeah.
(26:10):
So then when, so two came outwhen you said we're all
learning.
Brooke (26:14):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (26:15):
When switch two came out like a week ago.
It was so much better.
And I'm planning to use that tolike promote things that I do
and it's really cool.
What other apps are you usingright now?
Let's see, I use ShortX.
Um hmm.
Base 4 44.
(26:36):
What's that?
Uh, Base44 is an app that cancreate any apps or websites for
you?
Hmm.
So I created, um, so during thesummer, like this summer I was
bored.
So I created something calledMath Quest and I would do math
and it would gimme like points.
(26:56):
It was like a fun game like avideo game I made for myself.
It's better than coding bymyself.
Yeah.
It's like vibe coding.
And then after that.
I needed to create 3D modelsfrom an image.
Mm-hmm.
So what I did is I said, make mean app that can make 3D models
to 3D print from an image.
Brooke (27:17):
Hmm.
Lucio (27:17):
So it did that and it went well.
I used that.
I didn't publish it yet, but I'mthinking about creating an app.
I dunno why, but I'm thinkingabout creating an app that can
be helpful for.
I like all ais.
Mm-hmm.
I was thinking of like a mix oflike a bunch of like ais into
one thing.
Really?
Like ChatGPT Gemini, grok, andlike a bunch of other ones.
Brooke (27:41):
It sounds like the vortex that the collective
created.
Have you used the Vortex yet?
Lucio (27:46):
I have not.
Brooke (27:47):
Oh, you should talk to Jonathan about that.
I'll, because that's what himand Eric have been working on.
You log in and it has likeGoogle, Gemini Grok.
Lucio (27:57):
Mm-hmm.
Brooke (27:57):
Chacha, Petit, Claude, all of them in it.
Lucio (28:01):
Yeah,
Brooke (28:02):
so take me through the process of how you create agents
or custom gpt and then you sellit to people.
How do you sell people access?
To be able to use your apps andcharge them.
Lucio (28:14):
I would test it out, and if it was good, then what I
would do is I would take a link,I would send it to the person,
and if they liked it mm-hmm.
Then they would say, okay, yeah.
How much is it?
I would say$50.
It depends on what it is.
If it's for like businesspurposes, we'd be more, if it's
a personal use, I would, I wouldsay, okay, fine.
(28:36):
I'll give it to a bit less, butnot too much.
Brooke (28:38):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (28:40):
But, so then, um, if, if you try and scam me instead,
'cause I, I would give them alink.
I'm the owner of it so I canremove to their access
immediately
Brooke (28:51):
from it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lucio (28:51):
So I, I don't know, I don't let people know that, but
that is a thing.
Brooke (28:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (28:56):
So I wouldn't let people scam me.
I only scam.
Okay.
No, I'm kidding.
You're on
Brooke (29:02):
top of it.
Yes.
Lucio (29:04):
So, yeah.
And that, that's how I wouldsell.
Brooke (29:09):
What other advice do you have for people who are just
getting into AI and, and wannamake money off of it?
What advice do you have?
Lucio (29:17):
Hmm.
Let see.
If you're starting it in ai,don't expect for things to come
in like this.
It'll take some time.
Mm.
Just have patience.
Have
Brooke (29:28):
patience.
That is very smart to sharebecause I think a lot of people
think AI is gonna be this likelight switch where you just turn
it on and you know how to useeverything.
Lucio (29:37):
Well
Brooke (29:37):
But it's a slow process of learn, relearning everything.
Lucio (29:41):
Well with me.
Mm-hmm.
It was slow because like chatGBT was slow.
Right.
But now, like GPT5 people arelike getting into ai, like, I'd
say like today.
Brooke (29:51):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (29:51):
Honestly, I'd say it would take about a good day or
two for them to learn about ai.
Brooke (29:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (29:57):
It depends on what they do.
If they, if they do what I didfor at first, it'll probably
take a day or two if they do.
Like courses for like a couplehours I'd say, or do something
else.
Mm-hmm.
I'd say a day.
But max amount, two days.
But still two days is a while.
Brooke (30:18):
Yeah.
You can do a lot in two days.
Lucio (30:20):
And one quote that I came up.
Was, and you know how people sayall the time, oh, AI is the
future.
Oh, robots are the fu.
Okay, maybe robots are thefuture, but AI is the future.
No, AI is the present.
Brooke (30:37):
Mm, AI is the present, not just the future.
AI is the present.
I like that quote.
Thank you.
Any more questions?
Um, yes.
I'd love to know what are youbuilding right now?
What are projects are you doing?
Lucio (30:48):
Um, so I, I've decided to take a break from my AI
channels.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because they haven't shown a lotof success in the last couple
months.
Brooke (30:58):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (30:59):
So, well, I think is that now AI is evolving and I have to
evolve with it.
So I'm just still deciding whatI should do.
I've gotten some suggestionsfrom the people at the
collective.
Mm-hmm.
I might do that.
And I'm thinking about creatingsome apps that I can help
everyday life and sell it on theapp store and have like some
(31:20):
subscriptions.
I'm thinking of it.
Brooke (31:22):
Okay.
If you were to wave a magic wandand be able to create an app
overnight, what would you do?
Lucio (31:28):
I think that's, a wand.
It's called Base 44.
The, the one that I can createapps like in second.
Brooke (31:35):
Base 44 is the one where you create apps?
Yes.
Lucio (31:37):
So base 44 is the wand.
If I was to like wave a magicwand, I would create, Hmm.
An app that could track like afitness app?
Also like an app that couldlike.
Help kids.
Mm.
Learn how to be like me.
(31:58):
Mm-hmm.
Like help, like it can help kidslike a, a course, but like an
app, like, you know, like aDuolingo.
Brooke (32:06):
Yeah.
The fun game to learn languages.
Lucio (32:09):
It could be like, oh, Duolingo coding.
Oh, fun.
It could be like, like an app.
I can, I can teach you how tocode.
Like I know there's likescratch, but it doesn't like
teach you how to code.
Code.
Brooke (32:21):
So I
Lucio (32:21):
think I Duolingo, I, I something like do like a mix of
Duolingo and coding.
Mm-hmm.
I think that I can make an applike that.
Brooke (32:28):
Do you feel like a lot of kids are learning how to code
and are into ai like you are?
Lucio (32:35):
Not a lot of kids, not a lot because I know some kids are
like, oh, I just wanna relax.
It's my childhood.
I respect that.
I respect that.
That's not me.
I mean, yeah, I wanna live by mychildhood.
I do, but'I don't wanna be justlazy all the day and just do
nothing on the weekends.
I'm not the kind of person Iwanna be out there.
(32:57):
Yeah.
Like this.
Most kids would be like, no, Idon't wanna go to this AI
conference.
I'm like, I wanna go to this AIconference.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna be in thesethings.
It's not I don't, don't getforced to be, uh, these things
or forced to do these things.
I do it by myself.
Brooke (33:11):
Yeah.
Are you in any other communitiesother than the collective or
organizations where you get totalk about ai?
Lucio (33:18):
No, but.
At my school, the principalwants like me to help like the
school be like a lot better.
Mm.
Because he heard about what Iwas doing with my mom with the
bookkeeping.
Brooke (33:32):
How do you think schools can get better with ai?
What, how would you help them?
Lucio (33:37):
Let's see.
So with their curriculum uh, soI know, um, this ai, I forgot
what it's called, but there'sthis AI that, like you take a
quiz and it focuses on what youcan do and you can't do.
Yeah.
And it's like a quiz, like onall of the subjects.
Brooke (33:56):
Yeah.
Lucio (33:57):
And it, it personalizes on.
What you need to work on.
Yeah, so that's kind of like acurriculum, AI curriculum.
Okay.
But what can help, like theschool.
AI budgeting system.
'cause that with privateschools, they have budgets.
Brooke (34:12):
Mm-hmm.
Lucio (34:13):
Public schools definitely have budgets.
Yeah.
So like a budgeting system.
I don't, don't think that likeAI is gonna take over like
teaching jobs.
'cause like teachers need tolike, be able to like, connect
with the students.
So to help, like schools ingeneral, curriculum based.
Mm-hmm.
Like a personalized system thatcan help students get better on
(34:35):
what they are.
And new, like teaching formats,new teaching formats,
Brooke (34:40):
So it sounds like you are a very driven entrepreneur
at a young age.
Are you into finance tech?
Do you do cryptocurrency andblockchain?
Lucio (34:51):
I've been told that I should do that.
Brooke (34:55):
Yeah.
Lucio (34:55):
And that's what I think that I, I should do for my next
project.
Yeah.
I should do cryptocurrency andum, blockchain.
Brooke (35:04):
Something to look into.
I just interviewed the chairmanjust before you, as you know,
and you got to meet him.
Um, you'll have to listen to hisepisode and talk to him some
more.
I'm sure he would love to mentoryou,
Lucio (35:16):
yes, definitely.
I would love, love him to
Brooke (35:18):
mentor me.
Wonderful.
Well, if you have one keytakeaway, something that you
wanna share to anybody listeningto this podcast, what would you
want to say?
Lucio (35:30):
If you ever feel like giving up always think about
what you have done.
And let's say you, you have donenothing.
Think about what you can do.
Don't think about giving up or,oh, I can't do this.
Think about, oh, I didn't dothis, but I can do it.
I tried, but I can try more.
(35:52):
Never give up, never back down,never give up.
Brooke (35:56):
Beautiful.
Such kind last words and veryencouraging.
So, if listeners, on the podcastwant to reach out to you, how
can they connect with you?
You
Lucio (36:08):
can reach out to me on my email, um, Bacardi Lucho 20
fourteen@gmail.com.
I don't focus on Instagram, butit's the moneymaker 23 1.
It's like the moneymaker.
20 31.
Brooke (36:23):
I'll make sure to link it in the show notes in the
description.
I'll also tag out your YouTubeeven though you're not really
spending time on it but peoplecan see and check out your
channel and see all theincredible things that you
built.
It's called the AI historian.
The AI historian is yourchannel.
Lucio (36:40):
Yes.
Brooke (36:41):
Thank you so much, Lucio.
You're my official youngestguest to date and such an
inspiration for kids out there.
And truly, you know, I love thatyou always come to our events
and you say, AI is easy, AI iseasy.
I think it's so inspiring andum, empowering.
So.
You probably encouraged a lot ofpeople to get into learning
(37:04):
today, so thank you so much forthat.
Thank you.
Wow I hope today's episodeopened your mind to what's
possible with AI.
Do you have a cool use case onhow you're using AI and wanna
share it?
DM me.
I'd love to hear more andfeature you on my next podcast.
Until next time, here's toworking smarter, not harder.
(37:24):
See you on the next episode ofHow I AI.
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It's where I learned, connectedand truly enhanced my
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