May 27, 2025 • 49 mins
Today’s guest is Glenn Harrold, a meditation guide whose relax and sleep well recordings have personally helped me get much needed rest at times when I’m tired but wired.
Glenn is an international best selling self-help author and one of the world’s most successful hypnotherapists. His guided meditations and mindfulness audio titles have been streamed over forty million times.
And, his CD title, Complete Relaxation, is the only gold disc ever awarded by Nielsen for a self-help title.
Glenn’s story is pretty incredible, from rough teenage years to success in the music business, hitting rock bottom and eventually founding Diviniti Publishing to help bring mindfulness and self-help recordings and products to a global audience.
It was the deep personal challenges he faced that led him to dedicate his life to helping others break through mental barriers, find inner peace, and create lasting change.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to how I Built my Small Business.
I'm Anne McGinty, and today'sguest is Glenn Herold, a
meditation guide whose relax andsleep well recordings have
personally helped me get muchneeded rest at times when I'm
tired but wired.
Get much needed rest at timeswhen I'm tired but wired.
(00:28):
Glenn is an internationalbest-selling self-help author
and one of the world's mostsuccessful hypnotherapists.
His guided meditations andmindfulness audio titles have
been streamed over 40 milliontimes and his CD title Complete
Relaxation is the only gold discever awarded by Nielsen for a
self-help title.
Glenn's story is prettyincredible from rough teenage
(00:51):
years to success in the musicbusiness, hitting rock bottom
and eventually founding DivinityPublishing to help bring
mindfulness and self-helprecordings and products to a
global audience.
It was the deep personalchallenges he faced that led him
to dedicate his life to helpingothers break through mental
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barriers, find inner peace andcreate lasting change.
You can find links to connectwith Glenn in the episode's
description.
Glenn, I am really excited tohave you here today.
I listen to your recordingsoften, so I'm very humbled to
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speak with you.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh, you're welcome.
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So tell us a little bit about you, Like where are
you from?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I'm originally from London.
I was born in London and I grewup in sort of kind of South
London, a place called nearBromley, which was when I was
growing up there, when I wasyoung, it was the epicenter of
the sort of punk rock movementin the seventies.
It spawned all that and I was aproduct of a very dysfunctional
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household.
I was young and angry, and so Iwas kind of in the right place
at the right time because thatmusic resonated with me, you
know this angry,anti-establishment music, and so
I kind of grew up in thatenvironment, a very
dysfunctional, messed upenvironment.
You know, I was kicked out ofschool when I was 15, got no
qualifications, but music wasthe thing that sort of lit me up
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and it was that that, you know,I learned to play an instrument
, learned to play the bassguitar and joined a band and
that kind of took me off in amore positive direction, which
ultimately ended me up on thispath where I became a
hypnotherapist and, you know, ameditation teacher.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So this all started when you were 15?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So this all started when you were 15?
Yeah well, it did, really,because I was, you know, the
classic delinquent kid.
I grew up in a very sort ofviolent household where I was,
you know, out on the streets allthe time.
I slept on the streets from theage of 12 onwards and, you know
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, when you've got no solid homelife, especially with young men,
they tend to look for anotherfamily and that inevitably ends
up on the streets in a gang ofother delinquent kids.
And so I was very much, yeah, aproduct of my environment.
And you know, as I said, Ilearned to play the bass guitar,
joined a band and we had alittle bit of success in the
early eighties, you know.
We won a national popcompetition in the UK and we're
on television and we had allthis excitement for a little
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while.
But it didn't last because, youknow, I wasn't grounded in
myself and the band.
We didn't have a really strongconnection.
It all imploded but it took meon a path where I carried on in
music and later on I was on thecabaret circuit in South London
doing clubs and bars and weshared the bill with a stage
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hypnotist and I watched this guymanipulating the audience and
doing, you know, getting peopleup and doing outrageous things,
and it just fascinated me.
And I had this epiphany.
But I wanted to learn hypnosisbecause I saw the power of it
there and then.
But I wanted to learn it notfor the entertainment side of
things.
I wanted to learn hypnosisbecause I saw the power of it
there and then.
But I wanted to learn it notfor the entertainment side of
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things, I wanted to learn it forthe healing potential of it,
because I knew within me, youknow, for me to make any kind of
progress in life, I had toclear a lot of the trauma and
failure programming from mychildhood.
I had that awareness even then.
So that was kind of mysalvation because when I studied
hypnotherapy I suddenly hadthis tool where I could start to
do that, I could start to healfrom the inside out.
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And you know that's 30 yearsago and I've been doing that
ever since.
You know, peeling those layersaway and getting lighter and
further away from thatdelinquent little tearaway.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Was there like a specific moment when you
realized that you needed to turnyour life around?
Like was it?
Was it the music experiencereaching an element of fame and
then watching that crumble, orliving on the streets, or what
part of it made you think I needto do something?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
what part of it made you think I need to do something
.
It was kind of a mixture of allof those things because, you
know, I struggled a lot throughmy adolescence and into my early
adult life and I kind of got toa point where I felt so heavy.
You know, life was such astruggle and I had a very low
self-esteem back then and, youknow, I saw comfort in you know,
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all the wrong things drugs,drinks and you know fast
relationships and it masked thepain temporarily.
But I knew there was somethingmore that I needed to work on.
I had that realization.
I just didn't have theconsciousness back then to
really know how to get thererealization.
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I just didn't have theconsciousness back then to
really know how to get there.
But I always had that desire to,you know, try and be a force
for good in the world.
I wanted to do that and I thinkthat little thing in me that
wanted to do good was alwaysthere.
And when I found hypnotherapyand healing, that really came to
the fore and I was so excitedwhen I found it that I just went
at it like a hundred miles anhour and I would, you know,
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trade therapy sessions withother therapists and I do use
self-hypnosis and the law ofattraction literally every
single day and have affirmationseverywhere, and I was so hungry
for transformation that I justcompletely immersed myself in it
and, little by little, my lifestarted to change.
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I started to, you know, slowlyand surely become, you know,
more abundant in many ways and,you know, hang out with more
positive people and just raisemy consciousness to a point
where I could see life in adifferent way.
And now I'm in a good place.
I'm really grateful for thepast I had, because it's taught
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me so much, you know.
So, yeah, it's been aninteresting journey.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I imagine that there are millions of people
around the world who reallyresonate with your upbringing
and the difficulties that you'vefaced.
So maybe that's part of yourmagic is that people know that
you really understand what thatmust've been like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I do.
Whenever I saw a clientone-to-one when I was, you know,
a full-time hypnotherapist, Icould always empathize at that
real life empathy, because ifthey had an addiction or they
were struggling or they were,you know, feeling like life was
so heavy or I had lowself-esteem, I knew what that
was like and I think I couldalways relate.
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You know, I'd always be able torelate and they I think clients
would feel that.
You know that I had the realunderstanding of what they were
going through and and I used tolove helping as well, because
I'd been in that place and I gotmyself out of it and I was on a
good path.
I loved helping other people.
I had that passion for saying,look, if you do these things and
you do this work, your lifewill change.
(07:59):
And and I've still got that andI've kind of always infused my
recordings with that as well- sothis law of attraction, I know
what it is, but for anybodythat's listening in, can you
explain it a little bit?
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So it's where you focus onsomething that you want to
manifest into your life.
It could be a new relationship,it could be your soulmate.
You want to attract yoursoulmate into your life.
Or you want to attract theperfect career you know, a
career that's really suitablefor you or you want to make a
ton of money, or you want tolive in a certain place.
Create that energy insideyourself and and you project
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that out into the universe withan absolute certainty that
you're going to manifest that,manifest this in the real world
and you meditate on it on adaily basis.
You will eventually you'llmanifest it in this world that
we live in, because it's allenergy and frequency.
You're aligning yourself withan abundant frequency on an
internal level and you kind ofvibrate that out.
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You know it's an energy thatyou project and a frequency you
project and the universe isimpartial.
It will naturally match you upwith that.
You know situations andopportunities.
You know with the frequencythat you're resonating at.
And when I got on the path and Istarted to change my way of
thinking 30 odd years ago and Irealized that you could.
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You could create the life youwanted.
If you put the inner work in,you did the inner work and you
also did the clearing work aswell, cleared the failure
programming, because that'soften with the law of attraction
what happens.
You know, people will takethree steps forward and then two
steps back, and that'ssometimes because they're still
carrying belief systems fromtheir childhood that they're not
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good enough, or money andabundance only goes to other
people, or you have to workreally hard to get it.
It's all of those.
So you can be doing that workbut you can still be sabotaging
it, and I was doing that earlyon, in the early days, I
realized I had to do a lot ofclearing on that.
So for me that was a big key tothe making the law of
attraction work.
It was the clearing work thatenabled it to really happen.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
But you made a very conscious decision at some point
to at least try this, if notfully believe it at the
beginning.
So when was this?
Was this like when you saw thathypnotist on stage?
What was the moment where youthought, hey, I'm going to, I'm
going to do this and I'm goingto try.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And then was it like every day yeah, Well, I had an
amazing epiphany when I was inmy late twenties and at that
time I was playing in the barsand clubs and at nighttime I was
driving a minicab around theWest end of London.
And that was really colorfulbecause I met, I literally met
everyone, from you know, thepeople working on the streets to
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you know A-listers and evenroyalty I came across.
I once met, met Prince was itPrince Edward, the youngest one?
In a theater.
I had to pick up something in atheater and he was quite young
then and he was working in thetheater and me and him were
together and we were doing thislittle job and then I had to
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take it somewhere else and I waschatting away to him and just
before that I picked up a coupleof girls who'd been working on
the streets and they wanted toscore some drugs and I took them
around and I thought, my God,I've really covered the full
spectrum here and that was anamazing thing about that job you
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'd literally meet everyone fromall walks of life and it was a
really good precursor tobecoming a hypnotherapist,
because when I became ahypnotherapist I was so used to
talking to lots of differentpeople.
But yeah, just to tell you thestory.
So I was driving home one nightat four in the morning and I was
completely switched off, justdriving home, tired, and all of
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a sudden I had this, thisepiphany, and it was like this
amazing awakening and I suddenlyfelt, you know, my heart opened
and I had tears streaming downmy face and no thought had come
into my head before.
It was just this feeling, itwas like a download, and I felt
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just so humbled and so upliftedin this moment.
It was like a spiritualawakening and I've I've read
about people who've had similarexperiences and and I'm so
grateful that happened to mebecause I didn't try to make it
happen and it just hit me thisone time, and you know it was at
a time when I was a pretty lowin my life.
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I was really struggling backthen and from there I had this
massive thirst for knowledge.
So the next day I went to thelocal library and I got as many
books as I could on spiritualityand tried to understand what I
experienced and and I justwanted to learn.
And then, soon after I did thehypnotherapy course and doors
just opened up for me and it was.
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It was just such an amazingexperience and I still don't
know what happened.
It's never nothing like thathas happened since, nothing
happened before, but it wasdefinitely a turning point in my
life that just took me off in amuch more positive and
conscious direction.
That is fascinating.
(13:37):
What do you think that it wasLike?
Do you have any ideas?
Conscious or you know?
When I first told them I wasbecoming a hypnotherapist, they
thought I'd lost the plot and,you know, was back on drugs
again and it just was thisamazing awakening and and I I've
been awake ever since on thatpath where I've kind of been a
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seeker and, you know, wanted tolearn as much as I could about
spirituality and consciousnessand kind of the unknown, and I'm
just so grateful that happened.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
When you were talking .
It reminded me of when my daddied four years ago, and I had a
similar sort of awakening but Iwouldn't say it was necessarily
spiritual, because I doconsider myself somewhat
spiritual.
It felt more like a heartunlocking, like I could connect
with people in a way that was abit deeper than it used to be,
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and I just felt things more withmy heart.
I also don't know how to put itinto words, but so I was
wondering, like is there someonein your life who has passed
away who maybe was opening adoor for you?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It could well be that .
You know, I'm I'm sure thatwe've got guides and helpers.
You know, on the other sidethat are there supporting us.
You know, when we're struggling, when we have difficult times,
and you know you experiencingthat profound grief, it does
really take you into your heart,doesn't it?
You feel the pain of it andeverything you know like at no
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other time, and it does, itopens your heart and you
interact with the worlddifferently because you've had
that experience.
Yeah, and you know I was kind offortunate when I had my big
awakening that I didn't need togo through something like that.
It was, you know, it was justsomething that hit me, but it
definitely really opened myheart.
That was the big thing and Ivery much came out of my head
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into my heart and I started tobe more compassionate, more
loving, you know, towards myselfand towards other people.
And that's the real power in usall, especially men in this
world.
You can get so caught up inyour left brain and be very sort
of analytical and you know,because we're sort of programmed
to be like that the world issort of set up to.
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You know, keep us on that path,on the sort of left brain path.
But when you open up your rightbrain, your creative mind, and
you open your heart up, it's,you know, so liberating.
You have more empathy, you havemore understanding, more
creativity comes out of you and,yeah, really been grateful that
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I've been able to do thatbecause, like I said, I came
from a family of a very sort ofstrong male lineage that were
very, you know, stiff upper lip,get on with stuff.
You get hurt, you get up, youmight.
You know, like I said, I wascrying when I had that epiphany,
but I never cried as a kid.
You know, stiff upper lip, geton with stuff.
You get hurt, you get up, youwipe.
You know, like I said, I wascrying when I had that epiphany,
but I never cried as a kid, youknow, and she was taught you
get on with things and that kindof thing.
So it softened me and it openedme up and whenever I saw guys
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in therapy that were stuck, itwas often because they were
disconnected from that part ofthemselves and it was sometimes
hard, you know, to work withthem, to be able to get them
there, because they just neverbeen there.
They'd grown up, you know,being tough and being brave and
that kind of thing and notconnecting with that part of
themselves thinking that's aweakness.
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You know when really it's theultimate strength.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, we're trained and programmed to not express
and show our emotions so freelythat way, especially men.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And it sounds like you really hit rock bottom,
which I've seen other friends ofmine hit rock bottom and, to be
honest, it's almost like whatwas needed.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They needed to do that in order to turn themselves
around.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, that's it, because when you hit rock bottom
you've got nowhere else to go,so you can only go up.
When I got on that path, I hadso much motivation.
I would literally, you know,use self-hypnosis for an hour
every single day and I'd beprojecting out my goals and
visualizing, you know thisabundant, positive, happy life.
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And to the point where, youknow, at that age I'd always
been flat broke.
I'd always driven old cars thatwere breaking down.
I'd always struggled to paybills, and you know cause I was
hustling my way through life.
I struggled to hold down anormal job.
So, you know, playing in barsand driving a cab were just
about it for me.
So you know, one of bars anddriving a cab were just about it
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for me.
So you know, one of the firstthings I did, I wanted to
visualize abundance.
So I used to imagine that Ilived in a big mansion in the UK
, I had a villa in Florida and Idrove an Aston Martin car and I
was living.
You know, as a young man Iwanted to live a bit and I was
living in a tower block in SouthLondon when I was visualizing
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these things.
So my reality was like, reallybleak and austere.
But I was immersed, you know, Ibelieve that I was driving the
Aston Martin car to the pointwhere I'd feel the steering
wheel, I'd hear the roar of theengine and I'd imagine the car
roaring off and all that kind ofthing.
And it was about 10 years laterthat my life had changed so
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much that I went to buy one forcash.
And I remember going up to aplace called Birmingham in the
Midlands and buying this car andit was exactly like I'd
imagined in my visualizations.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
An Aston Martin.
You got an Aston Martin.
Aston Martin, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It was a convertible and I got the Florida villa and
the villa and the house and itwas just amazing, you know, it
was only like 10 years later andI remember thinking this is
incredible, I was visualizingall this when I was in that
tower block and it's come intothe world, it's manifested
itself and it was just, yeah, itwas a moment driving that car
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back.
It was just a real moment andit was kind of, you know, I was
fortunate because when I wasdoing that visualization and I
was in that tower block andliving, you know, with no money
or anything like that I was Istill had the belief that what I
was doing was real.
I believed that I couldmanifest it, you know, and I
totally bought into that conceptand it really was the belief in
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what I was doing, what I wasmanifesting, that took me a long
, long way along that path,because I started then to you
know I'm sure I was kind ofvibrating at a different
frequency because I'd meet theright people at the right time
and these opportunities wouldcome along, and I was, so you
know, hungry for that.
That even now, to this day, if,like my wife says to me, she
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says, you know, you, you never,you always take opportunities,
even now, you know, and I said,well, I'm just hardwired to do
that, if something comes on theradar, I just want to make the
most of it.
And it is that, you know, foranyone who wants to transform
their life in whatever way it is, it's the energy that you
create inside that really makesthings externally come into your
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life.
And you have to have thatbelief and that vision and that
desire.
And it's the same.
If you wanted to, you know, goto the gym and every, you know,
four times a week and build areally super fit, healthy body,
you'd have to go there fourtimes a week and do the work and
with the mind and manifesting,it's a similar process.
If you build that energy up andyou are disciplined with it,
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you'll transform your life.
It's, you know, really thatsimple.
And I think the other key point,which I mentioned earlier, is
the clearing work.
You have to do the clearingwork because I had a mountain of
failure programming from mychildhood, you know, to the
point where in one therapysession, you know, I was
struggling, I was making movesforward, but then I was
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sabotaging things and thingswere blowing up in front of me.
I think, why does this keephappening?
And it was in a therapy sessionthat I'd shared with another
therapist and I went back intomy childhood and this memory
that was out of my consciousawareness came up.
And it was when I was fiveyears of age and I saw my
parents having this blazing rowabout money and my dad literally
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ripped up money, threw it at mymom and they were screaming at
each money.
And my dad literally ripped upmoney, threw it at my mom and
they were screaming at eachother.
And I was this littlefive-year-old learning in that
moment that money causes theseterrible rows.
So the amazing thing about itwas in the therapy session I
could revisit it from an adultperspective and clear that
trauma and release myself fromit completely.
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And that's what I did.
And you know that was oneexample of something I've done
hundreds of times to get lighterand freer from all that trauma
that I went through as a kid.
And it's so liberating, it's sotransformative, you know cause
I've got I've got two brotherswho you know went in different
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directions and bless them.
They never knew how to do thework in that way and and they're
still kind of caught up inthose struggles and you can, you
know you can give advice andguide, but ultimately it's got
to come from within you.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, the belief.
Like you were saying, I wasimagining that quite a few
people listening in may beskeptical and thinking, oh sure,
well, that worked for him, butit's not going to work for me.
What would you say to somebodywho is thinking that way?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's something that will work for absolutely anyone.
If you do the work, you knowyou manifest.
You've got to have that beliefand you've got to have your
goals.
So, going back to your question, whatever you want to create in
this world, have a really clearvision of that.
So write down your top fivegoals that you want to manifest,
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you want to achieve, and thatwas one of the first things I
did and I had a list of thesegoals and it was the car, it was
the house, it was, and it was arelationship as well.
It wasn't all money, and Iwrote them down and I was
crystal clear about them.
And I have smart cards on mycomputer.
I'd have a smart card on mybedside in the bathroom and I'd
literally every day be doingmantras, and I was also at a
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delivery job back then, so whenI was driving I'd turn the radio
off and I'd be doing mantrasthat I'm always in the right
place at the right time.
Abundance comes freely andnaturally to me.
All of my needs are constantlymet.
So I was immersed in thiscompletely in my daily life and
using self-hypnosis for an houra day, and I even used to go to
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auction houses and sit there andwatch these houses being sold
cheaply, even though I couldn'thave.
I didn't have any money in mypocket, but I used to be in an
environment where money wasflowing around because I'd read
about it in one of the self-helpbooks I was reading and you've
got to see it like that andembrace it and enjoy the journey
.
It's a real fun journey whenyou go on this path, on any kind
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of transformative path.
It's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
An element of dedication, true belief, the
actual affirmations, but alsoyou took the opportunities when
they presented themselves.
So going and looking at housesthat you couldn't yet afford is
real proactive action as well.
Yeah, Okay, so you.
You got the Aston Martin actionas well.
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Yeah, Okay, so you.
You got the Aston Martin, butin order to get there, you what?
You became a hypnotherapist,and so you were seeing clients.
When did the recordings comeinto play?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
So once I became a full-time hypnotherapist, I
loved seeing clients one-to-oneand after a year or two you get
better as time goes on.
You come out of college andyou've learned and you've
studied and you've worked withother clients in the.
In the classroom there's nosubstitute for practical work
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and so once I got out there, youknow I'd worked from about
three or four different clinicsand I'd drive there each day,
you know each day.
And I got to a point where Iwas seeing like 25 30 clients a
a week and it was kind of I wasmaxed out at that point.
That was the limit because itcould be quite draining, because
people come along to see youand they might've seen everyone
else for a phobia or to loseweight or stop smoking, and
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you're their last result andthey're pinning everything on
the session.
So I'd always put 110% intoevery session and I loved it.
I really enjoyed it.
But it did get tiring and itwas around that point that a
client said to me one day couldyou record the session?
And because I had my musicalbackground, I'd always kept a
little recording set up in a inthe second bedroom, and so I
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went home that night and Irecorded something onto a
cassette tape and it was from amic with a little bit of reverb
on it into there and I put someof my own music on it.
And then I had this cassetteand I gave it to a few clients
and they said these are reallygood and I thought, oh, that's
interesting.
So then I was working above achemist shop and I spoke to the
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guy that owned the chain ofchemists.
He had like 60 chemists and hewas really difficult to get hold
of this guy.
But I must've rung him about 50times and eventually I got
through to him and I said Dennis, I said I've got these cassette
recordings.
I work in one of your clinics.
Could I possibly put them inyour clinics and just see how
they sell, sorry, in yourchemists?
And he said well, try them inthree and if they work with, put
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them in all 60.
So I put them in the threechemists and they started to
sell.
And it was literally I used todrive around to all these
chemists and refill them withcassettes that I was printing
off at home and I was gettingfeedback that you know people
are getting to sleep at nightbecause of your recordings and
they're, you know, feelingbetter, losing weight and
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stopping smoking and I thought,wow, if I can sell these locally
then I could sell themeverywhere.
And it was like this epiphany,another epiphany.
And so I went to the bank and Iborrowed a thousand pounds from
the bank to get some nicedisplay stands made, you know,
then I would take them into thestores and they looked much more
professional.
And then I got duplicatinghouses to duplicate the
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cassettes and within about fouror five years I had five or six
people working for me.
And I always remember my PA,who's still my PA now.
She came to me and she said,what's this?
40 pounds coming out the bankevery month?
I said, oh, that's the loan Itook out four years ago from
Barclays.
So I was still paying it backand the whole thing had taken
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off.
And I just got really lucky atthe right time.
You know I had this mantra thatI'm always in the right place
at the right time and I just gotso lucky.
I got into the big chain storesin the UK at the right time.
I got on Audible really early,I got on Insight Timer really
early and I've had 11 millionstreams on there to date and it
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was just, yeah, right place atthe right time.
And even I got a book deal inabout 2006.
I'd written one book it was aself-published book but because
my recordings had started tosell really well and in the UK
at that time they used to havethe audio book chart and I was
popping up in the audio bookchart at sort of you know in the
top 10, and it was JK Rowlingwas always number one and there
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was you know all household names.
I came to the attention of thebig publishers because they're
thinking who's thisself-published guy in the middle
there?
And so the BBC got in touchwith me first and they offered
me a deal and in the end I cut adeal with them where I made
eight brand new recordings.
They wanted to buy my wholecatalog, but I just cut a deal
where I just did eight brand newrecordings for them.
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That worked really well.
And then they said to me look,your sales, your audio sales,
are so good you could get a bookdeal.
So I thought, oh, that'd be agood idea, I'll try that.
And so I literally got thewhite pages and I rang up a big
literary agency in the UK and Isaid, oh, I just got cut off
from your new buying department.
(29:17):
Could you put me back through?
So they put me through to thenew buying department and I left
a message on there you knowit's about a minute long just
telling them about my audiosales and what I was doing.
And the guy that became my agent, he was walking past that
answer phone message whensomeone was playing it and he
thought that sounds interestingand so I went up to London met
him and he was a really cool guyjust on the level quite new,
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new at a university and he washungry and he said look,
normally I go to the bigpublishers on my own.
He said but come with mebecause we've got a good rapport
.
So we went around and everymeeting I'd visualize, you know,
filling up the room withpositive energy and, you know,
really feeling confident,speaking really fluently and
easily, and and I just reallyenjoyed the whole process of
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sitting in these meetings with,you know, the biggest publishers
in Europe.
They were.
And at the end of it, after acouple of days, I said to my
agent.
I said how do you think we'llget on?
You know, what do you think?
He said well, if we get a twobook deal for about 10 grand.
He said I'll be happy with that.
I said, yeah, I'd be delighted.
(30:27):
And it was over the next weekthese offers were coming in from
Warner Brothers and Orion for250,000 for three books.
And it was dreams, because theywent into a bidding war.
And I'm thinking this isunbelievable.
It's everything that I'dprojected out there, everything
I'd used the law of attractionfor in that moment.
It was there and I ended upsigning with Orion for three
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books and then another two andthen McGraw Hill in the States.
And, yeah, it was.
It was really amazing.
It was quite an incrediblejourney and, yeah, just right
place at the right time.
And so, yeah, from being thatlittle delinquent kid who got
kicked out of school, I ended upwriting eight.
So, yeah, from being thatlittle delinquent kid who got
kicked out of school, I ended upwriting eight books.
You know being a long, long wayfrom where I'd come from.
You know the books.
It was an amazing journey.
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But I had the choice betweensigning for Orion and Warner
Brothers.
And I said to my agent you knowwhich one, they're both
offering exactly the same deal.
And he said well, the lady atWarner Brothers is going to be
on maternity leave, so you'renot going to have the continuity
there.
So I chose Orion and while Iwas there, my editor was on
maternity leave three times, soI had a different editor on each
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book and I didn't have thecontinuity.
And so, you know, even though Ihad this amazing platform, a
huge advance, it didn't pan outlike it should, it should have
done.
You know, I'm proud of thebooks I wrote, but it could have
been, you know, much, muchbigger.
But really my, my meditationsand my hypnotherapy recordings
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are the thing that have alwaysreally connected with people and
that's really been my vocation.
You know, the thing that I'mhere to do and I always remember
was a there's another littlestory on that because when I had
that epiphany and I woke up, Iwent to.
There was a little healinggroup in a place called
Tunbridge Wells, near to where Ilived, and it was this really
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quaint little group with about10 elderly people they're all
like 20, 30 years older than meat least and I used to go there
because they practice hands onhealing and I was so drawn to it
, I loved it, you know, eventhough, like you know, 15 years
ago, I've been running aroundwith a gang of tearaways.
I was now in this quaint littlehealing group, the guy that
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used to run it.
He would say to me at the endhe'd always close it with a
meditation and he always pointto me and say, glenn, I want you
to do the meditation.
I was still really not confidentand I didn't like any attention
and I used to not like.
I said, why does he keeppicking me to do the meditation?
But he was a psychic and heused to say my guides are
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telling me you've got to useyour voice in this way, you've
got to do these meditations.
And when I look back and thinkyou know 40 million streams
later that I was being guided.
You know, through him I wasbeing pointed onto my vocational
path.
You know, when you get on thatpath, the universe conspires to
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work with you and nothing willstop you.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, is it luck or is it what you're meant to do
?
Yeah, I think we all have apath we're meant to do.
It's just.
It's just about finding it ormaybe being open to it.
Do you keep in touch withanyone from your early childhood
days?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's a good question, because I've had some
guys that I used to knock aroundwith in the gang when I was
young who've got in touch withme.
And there was one guy a coupleof years ago who got in touch
with me.
And there was one guy a coupleof years ago he'd spent 25 years
in prison and we lived inLondon in a squat when I was
like 17.
I think he became addicted todrugs and he started robbing
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banks to feed his addiction andhe got in touch with me after
all this time and in prison he'dactually become an artist.
When you're in prison, I don'tknow what it's like, but I guess
you're forced into, you know,looking at what's inside you and
what you know, what comes out.
And you often hear stories likethat where these guys find a
talent that they didn't know wasthere and for him it was
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painting and I'd moved out toPortugal by then.
He'd come out and he was havingshowcases in London at these
galleries because he'd been inprison for so long.
They'd looked at it and heturned his life around.
So I thought, you know, we hadthat creative connection and
he'd just gone off on acompletely wrong path.
And but yeah, it's alwaysinteresting when people catch up
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with you when you've turnedyour life around and they see
you doing something completelyunexpected.
So I've had quite a lot of that, especially when my books were
out in the UK I did a lot ofpublicity.
I did TV and big radio showsback then, so people were
contacting me from my past.
It always made me realize howfar I'd got away from that life,
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my old life.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, I imagine it's a bit bittersweet in some ways,
because I can only imagine thatyou feel very proud of how far
you've come, but you probablyalso wish it and want it for the
people that you were surroundedby and for everybody in this
world really.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You know I can always say look, if you struggle and
listen to this or try thisrecording.
You know it's a nice thing todo and I've done that a lot.
Yeah, but the thing that I'mkind of most proud about is that
my oldest son is 37 and he's ahypnotherapist and he's he's an
amazing boy.
I'm so proud of him.
You know everyone loves him.
You know he's got that verylovability and he loves helping
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other people and I'm so proud ofhim.
And you know what myself andyou know my ex-wife managed to,
you know, raise him even thoughwe didn't, you know, go the
distance.
And now I've got two youngerkids who are 10 and 8.
So I'm most proud of the factthat I could give them what I
never had.
I love and I love seeing themthrive and blossom and and not
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not go through all the traumas Idid.
I tell them my last night theywere asking me stories.
I tell them my, my stories frommy childhood and, you know, age
appropriate, and they love thembecause they're so colorful and
and it almost feels to me likeit was a past life, because
where I am now they'll never gothrough anything like that, but
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they can hear my crazy oldcolorful stories and see a
little bit of a different lifethrough them.
But yeah, I'm really proud ofmy kids.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Those are such beautiful lessons and I I think
I learned just as much from thestories of my parents and the
hardships that they faced as Idid from just growing up and
yeah, I mean probably more thanthe education system taught me.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, because when I look at my parents, they were
not good.
Good parents because theydidn't know how to be.
They'd been through a mountainof trauma themselves.
You know they were born duringthe second world war and, you
know, went through a lot ofhardship and austerity
themselves.
So when they became parentsthey were, you know, very stuck
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in their own traumas and didn'tknow how to break that cycle.
And so I think you know beingable to, you know having that
epiphany becoming ahypnotherapist, being able to
break the cycle, was a real giftthat I had.
That they didn't, and I thinkit's also the age we live in.
Now we're much more aware andwe have a greater understanding
of how we're wired up and how wework.
(37:39):
So that's a blessing in itself.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, but you have compassion for why your parents
were the type of parents thatthey were.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Because you know what they were surrounded by?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and I think you know.
Another point to that is thatas I was growing up, you know
what they were surrounded byhome when I was 12, I was beaten
.
I was.
That was always how I justifiedmy failure.
But as soon as I started toawaken and I broke out of that
victim mentality and I tookresponsibility for my life and
my role in things you know, Iwasn't I wasn't I'm not a
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perfect human being.
I took responsibility formyself and my failings and the
things I'd messed up on, andthat, again, was so liberating.
Even now, you know, I never goback to that old victim
mentality.
It's so hold you in a prison soyou know if anyone's listening
(38:42):
in there.
You've got a sense of that oryou're caught up in any of that.
You know that's something thatyou can work on and free
yourself from, because it onlyholds you back ultimately If
you're blaming other things orsituations for your lack of
success or whatever it is thatjust keeps you stuck.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, and to remember that we all have free will.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So you may have really terrible circumstances or
very good ones, but ultimatelyyour free will is what you
choose to do with it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, absolutely, because some people have
comfortable childhoods wherethey are nurtured and but they
still go off the rails.
Their free will takes them inthe wrong direction.
So it can work in all kinds ofways.
Yeah, yeah, it's discipline anddoing something every day that
takes you further along thatroad.
That's the key For anyonestarting out.
I would work on that, that partof yourself, that discipline,
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because that is the thing,that's the key ingredient.
Even on bad days or when youhave setbacks, the discipline is
the thing that gets you overthat and gets you back on track.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So now, are you currently working now or are you
retired?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
No, I still work.
I do love what I do.
I love reaching more and morepeople with the recordings.
I work here in Portugal and mybusiness is in the UK.
It's been there for like 25years and I've got people that
help me in the business stillwork for me in the business.
I suppose I'll retire at somepoint but you know, if you love
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what you do, you don't want toretire.
I'm not retiring from.
You know, working in a bank orit doesn't feel like work.
The joy of creating new thingsis something I love and I'll
continue to do that for as longas I can.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And income wise.
Where is your income beinggenerated from?
Is it from the recordings andpeople downloading, or the books
or your YouTube page, or youhave so many different places
where people can reach you.
Can you give us some insightsinto how that actually works as
a business?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, well, I um my recordings uh are so far and
wide now.
I've got them on so manydifferent platforms, I mean even
on Spotify.
I think I had 60,000 newlisteners last month just on
Spotify.
So they and these,000 newlisteners last month, wow, just
on Spotify.
And a lot of these are titlesthat I made 10 or 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
They're evergreen.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But they're kind of evergreen.
They've got energy to them.
That you know.
And sometimes I listen to arecording that's 20 years old
and the music might be a bitcheesy now and I could improve
on that, but it's like I think,well, if it's not broke, don't
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fix it.
You're still getting goodreviews.
So I tend to focus on the newerrecordings.
I've got a membership group thatI started a few years ago and
we've got an app now that themembers all in.
I run webinars every couple ofweeks and the members run their
own webinars as well and I dolive recordings on that.
So I do live meditations.
So when I'm on the webinarwe'll talk, I'll chat with the
members and whatever the themeof the webinar is, whatever
comes up, I'll do a livemeditation based on that, and a
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lot of the time the members saythey like the those live
recordings, with all theirimperfections, better than the
studio ones, because there's acertain energy about them.
So I I enjoy doing that.
That's.
That's really good fun and it'sfunny.
The members now they've gotsuch a close group all of them
they're coming out to Portugallater this year from all over
the world, which is I'd neverplanned that.
It was something they gottogether and decided to do.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Are you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And are you ready for this?
Yeah, at first I thought, do Iwant this?
But then it was with such goodintent and such a loving vibe
that I thought, yeah, it's goingto be, it's going to be nice,
it's going to be really lovely.
There's one lady, bless her,she's 81 and her husband passed
away about 10 years.
She'd been with him for 50 oddyears and she was so heartbroken
but she found one of myrecordings.
And she was so heartbroken, butshe found my one of my
recordings and she said itchanged her life after that
point.
(42:35):
And then she joined my membersgroup and she's been on every
single webinar, about 120 ofthem at three o'clock in the
morning, because she's inMelbourne, bless her heart, and
she's flying.
She went to see a doctor andshe said the doctor said I can
do it, I'm going to fly over inOctober and and meet you.
And I thought, wow, that isjust amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, I wonder if the next step, or if there is one
that you want, would be doinglive meditations on a stage with
thousands and thousands ofpeople and recording it and
putting that out there into theworld.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, I mean, maybe I I've done a few on Insight
Timer.
I have little spells on InsightTimer.
Where I've done, you know, thenumbers have been 500 plus,
especially during COVID.
It was really, you know, yousee, it's like 500 or 1,000, I
think we had one week and I dolive meditations there and
that's been good.
When I lived in England, I did alive meditation in a theater
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with a band called Anima.
So we'd made a range ofrecordings based on the
solfeggio tones, which are theseancient tones that Gregorian
monks use to chant to invokecertain feelings, and we did a
live version of that and it wasreally an amazing event.
It really worked well, but itwas.
(43:55):
It was a funny thing.
We we created this sort ofmagic this one night and you
know, some lovely feedback, butwe just could, never, couldn't
go to the next step.
For some reason, the guy who wasmaking the music he was a.
He was one of the most giftedmusicians I've ever come across
and he created these amazingfrequencies.
But he found it really hard tointeract with the normal world
(44:15):
and to be around normal peopleand he went on to live up in
Scotland in such a remote placethat you could only get there by
getting a boat across a bigriver and he's just completely
cut himself off.
But, yeah, one of those justhighly, highly sensitive, gifted
people that you know you'llnever hear about but is an
(44:37):
amazing talent.
So, yeah, well, that was myfirst and last live meditation
and I'm kind of now, you know,talking about retiring, I can do
what I want.
So do I want to organize anevent and you know that kind of
thing.
There's too many other thingsinvolved in it.
If it was just getting up onstage and someone was taking
care of it, maybe, but I likethe creative side of it, but not
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all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I know, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, but never say never.
But I have written another book.
I've got my eighth book thatI've just finished and I'm going
to be hopefully releasing thatthis year, and I've not got a
publisher at the moment.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
What is it called?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
At the moment.
I've got a couple of differenttitles, but the one I've got at
the moment is called Raise yourVibration and it is very much
about you know my journey andthe law of attraction and you
know how you do the innerclearing work to create a space
where you can.
You know your manifestationsare really powerful and there's
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nothing blocking them.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So you chose to self-publish this one.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I'm not sure I'm open to having a publisher.
When I got the book deal I hadto write each book within three
months.
I had to sit down and the thingis, the publisher at that time
their vision of what they wantedfrom me.
There was a guy called PaulMcKenna in the UK that had sold
a million books he's still thebiggest nonfiction seller in the
UK and so they kind of wantedme to be not another version of
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him.
And I used to say to him I wantto be myself, I want to do my
own thing, I don't want tofollow him.
So anything I put in the booksthat was not congruent with
their idea of what I should be,they'd edit it out.
So that was a frustration.
So now I've written the bookthat I want to write and you
know, with all the warts andeverything and imperfections,
and then I'm going to find areally good copy editor and then
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put it out to a few contactsI've still got from those days
and you know, see and alsoproject out there where I want
the book to go.
You know, use the law ofattraction to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
It sounds nice to be able to put work out there.
That's truly you and your voice.
If you haven't yet done it, ifthe other books have been edited
down.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, because it was an amazing deal on the surface
but that was restrictive Icouldn't do much about.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Well, so you've pretty much made every goal that
you've set your mind and hearttowards.
Is there, beyond this book?
Is there anything else left tobe done?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
So my biggest goal is now.
You know I live in a greatplace on the Algarve.
I've got a beautiful familythat I'm so grateful for.
My oldest son lives up the roadand my biggest goal now is that
I mean, I'm 62 and I want tostay as fit and healthy as I can
for as long as I can to watchthose kids grow up and be there
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and not just be there but beyoung in mind, body and spirit
to do things with them.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Today's key takeaways .
Rock bottom can be a turningpoint.
Sometimes, hitting your lowestmoment is what cracks you open
to change.
When it feels like you're atthe bottom, there's only one
direction left to go, and that'sup.
Focus on what you can control.
Healing begins with radicalresponsibility.
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This isn't about blame.
It's about owning your part,your thoughts, choices and
patterns, so you can reclaimyour power in life.
Your inner world creates yourouter world, so the thoughts you
think, the energy you hold andthe beliefs you carry shape the
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reality you live.
Childhood beliefs like I'm notgood enough or money is only for
other people will quietlysabotage your growth unless you
choose to release them.
Watch out for the victimmentality.
Blaming other people,circumstances or situations may
be keeping you stuck.
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Own your own story and rewriteit if you need to.
Being soft takes strength,especially for men raised to be
stoic.
Opening your heart isn'tweakness.
It takes courage.
Believe in what you're building.
Hold the vision and let desireguide you.
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Whatever you want to create,define it clearly.
Write down your top five goalsand place them on post-it notes
where you wake up, work or makeyour coffee.
Put these daily reminders inplaces where you'll constantly
see them to help generatemomentum, silence, the noise,
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and speak to yourself in wayslike I'm always in the right
place at the right time.
Abundance comes freely andnaturally to me.
All of my needs are constantlymet.
This will put you in the rightframe of mind, and mindset
matters, but it's just thebeginning.
Free will means you have totake the steps, so any action
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action, even a small one, opensthe door.
That's it for today.
I release episodes once a week,so come back and check it out.
Have a great day.
Welcome to how I Built my Small Business.
I'm Anne McGinty, and today'sguest is Glenn Herold, a
meditation guide whose relax andsleep well recordings have
personally helped me get muchneeded rest at times when I'm
tired but wired.
Get much needed rest at timeswhen I'm tired but wired.
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Glenn is an internationalbest-selling self-help author
and one of the world's mostsuccessful hypnotherapists.
His guided meditations andmindfulness audio titles have
been streamed over 40 milliontimes and his CD title Complete
Relaxation is the only gold discever awarded by Nielsen for a
self-help title.
Glenn's story is prettyincredible from rough teenage
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years to success in the musicbusiness, hitting rock bottom
and eventually founding DivinityPublishing to help bring
mindfulness and self-helprecordings and products to a
global audience.
It was the deep personalchallenges he faced that led him
to dedicate his life to helpingothers break through mental
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barriers, find inner peace andcreate lasting change.
You can find links to connectwith Glenn in the episode's
description.
Glenn, I am really excited tohave you here today.
I listen to your recordingsoften, so I'm very humbled to
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speak with you.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh, you're welcome.
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So tell us a little bit about you, Like where are
you from?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I'm originally from London.
I was born in London and I grewup in sort of kind of South
London, a place called nearBromley, which was when I was
growing up there, when I wasyoung, it was the epicenter of
the sort of punk rock movementin the seventies.
It spawned all that and I was aproduct of a very dysfunctional
(02:00):
household.
I was young and angry, and so Iwas kind of in the right place
at the right time because thatmusic resonated with me, you
know this angry,anti-establishment music, and so
I kind of grew up in thatenvironment, a very
dysfunctional, messed upenvironment.
You know, I was kicked out ofschool when I was 15, got no
qualifications, but music wasthe thing that sort of lit me up
(02:23):
and it was that that, you know,I learned to play an instrument
, learned to play the bassguitar and joined a band and
that kind of took me off in amore positive direction, which
ultimately ended me up on thispath where I became a
hypnotherapist and, you know, ameditation teacher.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So this all started when you were 15?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So this all started when you were 15?
Yeah well, it did, really,because I was, you know, the
classic delinquent kid.
I grew up in a very sort ofviolent household where I was,
you know, out on the streets allthe time.
I slept on the streets from theage of 12 onwards and, you know
(03:06):
, when you've got no solid homelife, especially with young men,
they tend to look for anotherfamily and that inevitably ends
up on the streets in a gang ofother delinquent kids.
And so I was very much, yeah, aproduct of my environment.
And you know, as I said, Ilearned to play the bass guitar,
joined a band and we had alittle bit of success in the
early eighties, you know.
We won a national popcompetition in the UK and we're
on television and we had allthis excitement for a little
(03:29):
while.
But it didn't last because, youknow, I wasn't grounded in
myself and the band.
We didn't have a really strongconnection.
It all imploded but it took meon a path where I carried on in
music and later on I was on thecabaret circuit in South London
doing clubs and bars and weshared the bill with a stage
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hypnotist and I watched this guymanipulating the audience and
doing, you know, getting peopleup and doing outrageous things,
and it just fascinated me.
And I had this epiphany.
But I wanted to learn hypnosisbecause I saw the power of it
there and then.
But I wanted to learn it notfor the entertainment side of
things.
I wanted to learn hypnosisbecause I saw the power of it
there and then.
But I wanted to learn it notfor the entertainment side of
(04:11):
things, I wanted to learn it forthe healing potential of it,
because I knew within me, youknow, for me to make any kind of
progress in life, I had toclear a lot of the trauma and
failure programming from mychildhood.
I had that awareness even then.
So that was kind of mysalvation because when I studied
hypnotherapy I suddenly hadthis tool where I could start to
do that, I could start to healfrom the inside out.
(04:33):
And you know that's 30 yearsago and I've been doing that
ever since.
You know, peeling those layersaway and getting lighter and
further away from thatdelinquent little tearaway.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Was there like a specific moment when you
realized that you needed to turnyour life around?
Like was it?
Was it the music experiencereaching an element of fame and
then watching that crumble, orliving on the streets, or what
part of it made you think I needto do something?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
what part of it made you think I need to do something
.
It was kind of a mixture of allof those things because, you
know, I struggled a lot throughmy adolescence and into my early
adult life and I kind of got toa point where I felt so heavy.
You know, life was such astruggle and I had a very low
self-esteem back then and, youknow, I saw comfort in you know,
(05:26):
all the wrong things drugs,drinks and you know fast
relationships and it masked thepain temporarily.
But I knew there was somethingmore that I needed to work on.
I had that realization.
I just didn't have theconsciousness back then to
really know how to get thererealization.
(05:46):
I just didn't have theconsciousness back then to
really know how to get there.
But I always had that desire to,you know, try and be a force
for good in the world.
I wanted to do that and I thinkthat little thing in me that
wanted to do good was alwaysthere.
And when I found hypnotherapyand healing, that really came to
the fore and I was so excitedwhen I found it that I just went
at it like a hundred miles anhour and I would, you know,
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trade therapy sessions withother therapists and I do use
self-hypnosis and the law ofattraction literally every
single day and have affirmationseverywhere, and I was so hungry
for transformation that I justcompletely immersed myself in it
and, little by little, my lifestarted to change.
(06:30):
I started to, you know, slowlyand surely become, you know,
more abundant in many ways and,you know, hang out with more
positive people and just raisemy consciousness to a point
where I could see life in adifferent way.
And now I'm in a good place.
I'm really grateful for thepast I had, because it's taught
(06:51):
me so much, you know.
So, yeah, it's been aninteresting journey.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I imagine that there are millions of people
around the world who reallyresonate with your upbringing
and the difficulties that you'vefaced.
So maybe that's part of yourmagic is that people know that
you really understand what thatmust've been like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I do.
Whenever I saw a clientone-to-one when I was, you know,
a full-time hypnotherapist, Icould always empathize at that
real life empathy, because ifthey had an addiction or they
were struggling or they were,you know, feeling like life was
so heavy or I had lowself-esteem, I knew what that
was like and I think I couldalways relate.
(07:39):
You know, I'd always be able torelate and they I think clients
would feel that.
You know that I had the realunderstanding of what they were
going through and and I used tolove helping as well, because
I'd been in that place and I gotmyself out of it and I was on a
good path.
I loved helping other people.
I had that passion for saying,look, if you do these things and
you do this work, your lifewill change.
(07:59):
And and I've still got that andI've kind of always infused my
recordings with that as well- sothis law of attraction, I know
what it is, but for anybodythat's listening in, can you
explain it a little bit?
(08:20):
So it's where you focus onsomething that you want to
manifest into your life.
It could be a new relationship,it could be your soulmate.
You want to attract yoursoulmate into your life.
Or you want to attract theperfect career you know, a
career that's really suitablefor you or you want to make a
ton of money, or you want tolive in a certain place.
Create that energy insideyourself and and you project
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that out into the universe withan absolute certainty that
you're going to manifest that,manifest this in the real world
and you meditate on it on adaily basis.
You will eventually you'llmanifest it in this world that
we live in, because it's allenergy and frequency.
You're aligning yourself withan abundant frequency on an
internal level and you kind ofvibrate that out.
(09:11):
You know it's an energy thatyou project and a frequency you
project and the universe isimpartial.
It will naturally match you upwith that.
You know situations andopportunities.
You know with the frequencythat you're resonating at.
And when I got on the path and Istarted to change my way of
thinking 30 odd years ago and Irealized that you could.
(09:31):
You could create the life youwanted.
If you put the inner work in,you did the inner work and you
also did the clearing work aswell, cleared the failure
programming, because that'soften with the law of attraction
what happens.
You know, people will takethree steps forward and then two
steps back, and that'ssometimes because they're still
carrying belief systems fromtheir childhood that they're not
(09:53):
good enough, or money andabundance only goes to other
people, or you have to workreally hard to get it.
It's all of those.
So you can be doing that workbut you can still be sabotaging
it, and I was doing that earlyon, in the early days, I
realized I had to do a lot ofclearing on that.
So for me that was a big key tothe making the law of
attraction work.
It was the clearing work thatenabled it to really happen.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
But you made a very conscious decision at some point
to at least try this, if notfully believe it at the
beginning.
So when was this?
Was this like when you saw thathypnotist on stage?
What was the moment where youthought, hey, I'm going to, I'm
going to do this and I'm goingto try.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And then was it like every day yeah, Well, I had an
amazing epiphany when I was inmy late twenties and at that
time I was playing in the barsand clubs and at nighttime I was
driving a minicab around theWest end of London.
And that was really colorfulbecause I met, I literally met
everyone, from you know, thepeople working on the streets to
(10:58):
you know A-listers and evenroyalty I came across.
I once met, met Prince was itPrince Edward, the youngest one?
In a theater.
I had to pick up something in atheater and he was quite young
then and he was working in thetheater and me and him were
together and we were doing thislittle job and then I had to
(11:18):
take it somewhere else and I waschatting away to him and just
before that I picked up a coupleof girls who'd been working on
the streets and they wanted toscore some drugs and I took them
around and I thought, my God,I've really covered the full
spectrum here and that was anamazing thing about that job you
(11:38):
'd literally meet everyone fromall walks of life and it was a
really good precursor tobecoming a hypnotherapist,
because when I became ahypnotherapist I was so used to
talking to lots of differentpeople.
But yeah, just to tell you thestory.
So I was driving home one nightat four in the morning and I was
completely switched off, justdriving home, tired, and all of
(11:59):
a sudden I had this, thisepiphany, and it was like this
amazing awakening and I suddenlyfelt, you know, my heart opened
and I had tears streaming downmy face and no thought had come
into my head before.
It was just this feeling, itwas like a download, and I felt
(12:20):
just so humbled and so upliftedin this moment.
It was like a spiritualawakening and I've I've read
about people who've had similarexperiences and and I'm so
grateful that happened to mebecause I didn't try to make it
happen and it just hit me thisone time, and you know it was at
a time when I was a pretty lowin my life.
(12:40):
I was really struggling backthen and from there I had this
massive thirst for knowledge.
So the next day I went to thelocal library and I got as many
books as I could on spiritualityand tried to understand what I
experienced and and I justwanted to learn.
And then, soon after I did thehypnotherapy course and doors
just opened up for me and it was.
(13:01):
It was just such an amazingexperience and I still don't
know what happened.
It's never nothing like thathas happened since, nothing
happened before, but it wasdefinitely a turning point in my
life that just took me off in amuch more positive and
conscious direction.
That is fascinating.
(13:37):
What do you think that it wasLike?
Do you have any ideas?
Conscious or you know?
When I first told them I wasbecoming a hypnotherapist, they
thought I'd lost the plot and,you know, was back on drugs
again and it just was thisamazing awakening and and I I've
been awake ever since on thatpath where I've kind of been a
(13:58):
seeker and, you know, wanted tolearn as much as I could about
spirituality and consciousnessand kind of the unknown, and I'm
just so grateful that happened.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
When you were talking .
It reminded me of when my daddied four years ago, and I had a
similar sort of awakening but Iwouldn't say it was necessarily
spiritual, because I doconsider myself somewhat
spiritual.
It felt more like a heartunlocking, like I could connect
with people in a way that was abit deeper than it used to be,
(14:32):
and I just felt things more withmy heart.
I also don't know how to put itinto words, but so I was
wondering, like is there someonein your life who has passed
away who maybe was opening adoor for you?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It could well be that .
You know, I'm I'm sure thatwe've got guides and helpers.
You know, on the other sidethat are there supporting us.
You know, when we're struggling, when we have difficult times,
and you know you experiencingthat profound grief, it does
really take you into your heart,doesn't it?
You feel the pain of it andeverything you know like at no
(15:05):
other time, and it does, itopens your heart and you
interact with the worlddifferently because you've had
that experience.
Yeah, and you know I was kind offortunate when I had my big
awakening that I didn't need togo through something like that.
It was, you know, it was justsomething that hit me, but it
definitely really opened myheart.
That was the big thing and Ivery much came out of my head
(15:29):
into my heart and I started tobe more compassionate, more
loving, you know, towards myselfand towards other people.
And that's the real power in usall, especially men in this
world.
You can get so caught up inyour left brain and be very sort
of analytical and you know,because we're sort of programmed
to be like that the world issort of set up to.
(15:50):
You know, keep us on that path,on the sort of left brain path.
But when you open up your rightbrain, your creative mind, and
you open your heart up, it's,you know, so liberating.
You have more empathy, you havemore understanding, more
creativity comes out of you and,yeah, really been grateful that
(16:11):
I've been able to do thatbecause, like I said, I came
from a family of a very sort ofstrong male lineage that were
very, you know, stiff upper lip,get on with stuff.
You get hurt, you get up, youmight.
You know, like I said, I wascrying when I had that epiphany,
but I never cried as a kid.
You know, stiff upper lip, geton with stuff.
You get hurt, you get up, youwipe.
You know, like I said, I wascrying when I had that epiphany,
but I never cried as a kid, youknow, and she was taught you
get on with things and that kindof thing.
So it softened me and it openedme up and whenever I saw guys
(16:35):
in therapy that were stuck, itwas often because they were
disconnected from that part ofthemselves and it was sometimes
hard, you know, to work withthem, to be able to get them
there, because they just neverbeen there.
They'd grown up, you know,being tough and being brave and
that kind of thing and notconnecting with that part of
themselves thinking that's aweakness.
(16:55):
You know when really it's theultimate strength.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, we're trained and programmed to not express
and show our emotions so freelythat way, especially men.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And it sounds like you really hit rock bottom,
which I've seen other friends ofmine hit rock bottom and, to be
honest, it's almost like whatwas needed.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
They needed to do that in order to turn themselves
around.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, that's it, because when you hit rock bottom
you've got nowhere else to go,so you can only go up.
When I got on that path, I hadso much motivation.
I would literally, you know,use self-hypnosis for an hour
every single day and I'd beprojecting out my goals and
visualizing, you know thisabundant, positive, happy life.
(17:45):
And to the point where, youknow, at that age I'd always
been flat broke.
I'd always driven old cars thatwere breaking down.
I'd always struggled to paybills, and you know cause I was
hustling my way through life.
I struggled to hold down anormal job.
So, you know, playing in barsand driving a cab were just
about it for me.
So you know, one of bars anddriving a cab were just about it
(18:05):
for me.
So you know, one of the firstthings I did, I wanted to
visualize abundance.
So I used to imagine that Ilived in a big mansion in the UK
, I had a villa in Florida and Idrove an Aston Martin car and I
was living.
You know, as a young man Iwanted to live a bit and I was
living in a tower block in SouthLondon when I was visualizing
(18:26):
these things.
So my reality was like, reallybleak and austere.
But I was immersed, you know, Ibelieve that I was driving the
Aston Martin car to the pointwhere I'd feel the steering
wheel, I'd hear the roar of theengine and I'd imagine the car
roaring off and all that kind ofthing.
And it was about 10 years laterthat my life had changed so
(18:47):
much that I went to buy one forcash.
And I remember going up to aplace called Birmingham in the
Midlands and buying this car andit was exactly like I'd
imagined in my visualizations.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
An Aston Martin.
You got an Aston Martin.
Aston Martin, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It was a convertible and I got the Florida villa and
the villa and the house and itwas just amazing, you know, it
was only like 10 years later andI remember thinking this is
incredible, I was visualizingall this when I was in that
tower block and it's come intothe world, it's manifested
itself and it was just, yeah, itwas a moment driving that car
(19:29):
back.
It was just a real moment andit was kind of, you know, I was
fortunate because when I wasdoing that visualization and I
was in that tower block andliving, you know, with no money
or anything like that I was Istill had the belief that what I
was doing was real.
I believed that I couldmanifest it, you know, and I
totally bought into that conceptand it really was the belief in
(19:50):
what I was doing, what I wasmanifesting, that took me a long
, long way along that path,because I started then to you
know I'm sure I was kind ofvibrating at a different
frequency because I'd meet theright people at the right time
and these opportunities wouldcome along, and I was, so you
know, hungry for that.
That even now, to this day, if,like my wife says to me, she
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says, you know, you, you never,you always take opportunities,
even now, you know, and I said,well, I'm just hardwired to do
that, if something comes on theradar, I just want to make the
most of it.
And it is that, you know, foranyone who wants to transform
their life in whatever way it is, it's the energy that you
create inside that really makesthings externally come into your
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life.
And you have to have thatbelief and that vision and that
desire.
And it's the same.
If you wanted to, you know, goto the gym and every, you know,
four times a week and build areally super fit, healthy body,
you'd have to go there fourtimes a week and do the work and
with the mind and manifesting,it's a similar process.
If you build that energy up andyou are disciplined with it,
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you'll transform your life.
It's, you know, really thatsimple.
And I think the other key point,which I mentioned earlier, is
the clearing work.
You have to do the clearingwork because I had a mountain of
failure programming from mychildhood, you know, to the
point where in one therapysession, you know, I was
struggling, I was making movesforward, but then I was
(21:21):
sabotaging things and thingswere blowing up in front of me.
I think, why does this keephappening?
And it was in a therapy sessionthat I'd shared with another
therapist and I went back intomy childhood and this memory
that was out of my consciousawareness came up.
And it was when I was fiveyears of age and I saw my
parents having this blazing rowabout money and my dad literally
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ripped up money, threw it at mymom and they were screaming at
each money.
And my dad literally ripped upmoney, threw it at my mom and
they were screaming at eachother.
And I was this littlefive-year-old learning in that
moment that money causes theseterrible rows.
So the amazing thing about itwas in the therapy session I
could revisit it from an adultperspective and clear that
trauma and release myself fromit completely.
(22:03):
And that's what I did.
And you know that was oneexample of something I've done
hundreds of times to get lighterand freer from all that trauma
that I went through as a kid.
And it's so liberating, it's sotransformative, you know cause
I've got I've got two brotherswho you know went in different
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directions and bless them.
They never knew how to do thework in that way and and they're
still kind of caught up inthose struggles and you can, you
know you can give advice andguide, but ultimately it's got
to come from within you.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, the belief.
Like you were saying, I wasimagining that quite a few
people listening in may beskeptical and thinking, oh sure,
well, that worked for him, butit's not going to work for me.
What would you say to somebodywho is thinking that way?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's something that will work for absolutely anyone.
If you do the work, you knowyou manifest.
You've got to have that beliefand you've got to have your
goals.
So, going back to your question, whatever you want to create in
this world, have a really clearvision of that.
So write down your top fivegoals that you want to manifest,
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you want to achieve, and thatwas one of the first things I
did and I had a list of thesegoals and it was the car, it was
the house, it was, and it was arelationship as well.
It wasn't all money, and Iwrote them down and I was
crystal clear about them.
And I have smart cards on mycomputer.
I'd have a smart card on mybedside in the bathroom and I'd
literally every day be doingmantras, and I was also at a
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delivery job back then, so whenI was driving I'd turn the radio
off and I'd be doing mantrasthat I'm always in the right
place at the right time.
Abundance comes freely andnaturally to me.
All of my needs are constantlymet.
So I was immersed in thiscompletely in my daily life and
using self-hypnosis for an houra day, and I even used to go to
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auction houses and sit there andwatch these houses being sold
cheaply, even though I couldn'thave.
I didn't have any money in mypocket, but I used to be in an
environment where money wasflowing around because I'd read
about it in one of the self-helpbooks I was reading and you've
got to see it like that andembrace it and enjoy the journey
.
It's a real fun journey whenyou go on this path, on any kind
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of transformative path.
It's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
An element of dedication, true belief, the
actual affirmations, but alsoyou took the opportunities when
they presented themselves.
So going and looking at housesthat you couldn't yet afford is
real proactive action as well.
Yeah, Okay, so you.
You got the Aston Martin actionas well.
(24:47):
Yeah, Okay, so you.
You got the Aston Martin, butin order to get there, you what?
You became a hypnotherapist,and so you were seeing clients.
When did the recordings comeinto play?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
So once I became a full-time hypnotherapist, I
loved seeing clients one-to-oneand after a year or two you get
better as time goes on.
You come out of college andyou've learned and you've
studied and you've worked withother clients in the.
In the classroom there's nosubstitute for practical work
(25:15):
and so once I got out there, youknow I'd worked from about
three or four different clinicsand I'd drive there each day,
you know each day.
And I got to a point where Iwas seeing like 25 30 clients a
a week and it was kind of I wasmaxed out at that point.
That was the limit because itcould be quite draining, because
people come along to see youand they might've seen everyone
else for a phobia or to loseweight or stop smoking, and
(25:37):
you're their last result andthey're pinning everything on
the session.
So I'd always put 110% intoevery session and I loved it.
I really enjoyed it.
But it did get tiring and itwas around that point that a
client said to me one day couldyou record the session?
And because I had my musicalbackground, I'd always kept a
little recording set up in a inthe second bedroom, and so I
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went home that night and Irecorded something onto a
cassette tape and it was from amic with a little bit of reverb
on it into there and I put someof my own music on it.
And then I had this cassetteand I gave it to a few clients
and they said these are reallygood and I thought, oh, that's
interesting.
So then I was working above achemist shop and I spoke to the
(26:22):
guy that owned the chain ofchemists.
He had like 60 chemists and hewas really difficult to get hold
of this guy.
But I must've rung him about 50times and eventually I got
through to him and I said Dennis, I said I've got these cassette
recordings.
I work in one of your clinics.
Could I possibly put them inyour clinics and just see how
they sell, sorry, in yourchemists?
And he said well, try them inthree and if they work with, put
(26:43):
them in all 60.
So I put them in the threechemists and they started to
sell.
And it was literally I used todrive around to all these
chemists and refill them withcassettes that I was printing
off at home and I was gettingfeedback that you know people
are getting to sleep at nightbecause of your recordings and
they're, you know, feelingbetter, losing weight and
(27:04):
stopping smoking and I thought,wow, if I can sell these locally
then I could sell themeverywhere.
And it was like this epiphany,another epiphany.
And so I went to the bank and Iborrowed a thousand pounds from
the bank to get some nicedisplay stands made, you know,
then I would take them into thestores and they looked much more
professional.
And then I got duplicatinghouses to duplicate the
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cassettes and within about fouror five years I had five or six
people working for me.
And I always remember my PA,who's still my PA now.
She came to me and she said,what's this?
40 pounds coming out the bankevery month?
I said, oh, that's the loan Itook out four years ago from
Barclays.
So I was still paying it backand the whole thing had taken
(27:51):
off.
And I just got really lucky atthe right time.
You know I had this mantra thatI'm always in the right place
at the right time and I just gotso lucky.
I got into the big chain storesin the UK at the right time.
I got on Audible really early,I got on Insight Timer really
early and I've had 11 millionstreams on there to date and it
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was just, yeah, right place atthe right time.
And even I got a book deal inabout 2006.
I'd written one book it was aself-published book but because
my recordings had started tosell really well and in the UK
at that time they used to havethe audio book chart and I was
popping up in the audio bookchart at sort of you know in the
top 10, and it was JK Rowlingwas always number one and there
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was you know all household names.
I came to the attention of thebig publishers because they're
thinking who's thisself-published guy in the middle
there?
And so the BBC got in touchwith me first and they offered
me a deal and in the end I cut adeal with them where I made
eight brand new recordings.
They wanted to buy my wholecatalog, but I just cut a deal
where I just did eight brand newrecordings for them.
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That worked really well.
And then they said to me look,your sales, your audio sales,
are so good you could get a bookdeal.
So I thought, oh, that'd be agood idea, I'll try that.
And so I literally got thewhite pages and I rang up a big
literary agency in the UK and Isaid, oh, I just got cut off
from your new buying department.
(29:17):
Could you put me back through?
So they put me through to thenew buying department and I left
a message on there you knowit's about a minute long just
telling them about my audiosales and what I was doing.
And the guy that became my agent, he was walking past that
answer phone message whensomeone was playing it and he
thought that sounds interestingand so I went up to London met
him and he was a really cool guyjust on the level quite new,
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new at a university and he washungry and he said look,
normally I go to the bigpublishers on my own.
He said but come with mebecause we've got a good rapport
.
So we went around and everymeeting I'd visualize, you know,
filling up the room withpositive energy and, you know,
really feeling confident,speaking really fluently and
easily, and and I just reallyenjoyed the whole process of
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sitting in these meetings with,you know, the biggest publishers
in Europe.
They were.
And at the end of it, after acouple of days, I said to my
agent.
I said how do you think we'llget on?
You know, what do you think?
He said well, if we get a twobook deal for about 10 grand.
He said I'll be happy with that.
I said, yeah, I'd be delighted.
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And it was over the next weekthese offers were coming in from
Warner Brothers and Orion for250,000 for three books.
And it was dreams, because theywent into a bidding war.
And I'm thinking this isunbelievable.
It's everything that I'dprojected out there, everything
I'd used the law of attractionfor in that moment.
It was there and I ended upsigning with Orion for three
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books and then another two andthen McGraw Hill in the States.
And, yeah, it was.
It was really amazing.
It was quite an incrediblejourney and, yeah, just right
place at the right time.
And so, yeah, from being thatlittle delinquent kid who got
kicked out of school, I ended upwriting eight.
So, yeah, from being thatlittle delinquent kid who got
kicked out of school, I ended upwriting eight books.
You know being a long, long wayfrom where I'd come from.
You know the books.
It was an amazing journey.
(31:13):
But I had the choice betweensigning for Orion and Warner
Brothers.
And I said to my agent you knowwhich one, they're both
offering exactly the same deal.
And he said well, the lady atWarner Brothers is going to be
on maternity leave, so you'renot going to have the continuity
there.
So I chose Orion and while Iwas there, my editor was on
maternity leave three times, soI had a different editor on each
(31:35):
book and I didn't have thecontinuity.
And so, you know, even though Ihad this amazing platform, a
huge advance, it didn't pan outlike it should, it should have
done.
You know, I'm proud of thebooks I wrote, but it could have
been, you know, much, muchbigger.
But really my, my meditationsand my hypnotherapy recordings
(31:55):
are the thing that have alwaysreally connected with people and
that's really been my vocation.
You know, the thing that I'mhere to do and I always remember
was a there's another littlestory on that because when I had
that epiphany and I woke up, Iwent to.
There was a little healinggroup in a place called
Tunbridge Wells, near to where Ilived, and it was this really
(32:15):
quaint little group with about10 elderly people they're all
like 20, 30 years older than meat least and I used to go there
because they practice hands onhealing and I was so drawn to it
, I loved it, you know, eventhough, like you know, 15 years
ago, I've been running aroundwith a gang of tearaways.
I was now in this quaint littlehealing group, the guy that
(32:39):
used to run it.
He would say to me at the endhe'd always close it with a
meditation and he always pointto me and say, glenn, I want you
to do the meditation.
I was still really not confidentand I didn't like any attention
and I used to not like.
I said, why does he keeppicking me to do the meditation?
But he was a psychic and heused to say my guides are
(32:59):
telling me you've got to useyour voice in this way, you've
got to do these meditations.
And when I look back and thinkyou know 40 million streams
later that I was being guided.
You know, through him I wasbeing pointed onto my vocational
path.
You know, when you get on thatpath, the universe conspires to
(33:20):
work with you and nothing willstop you.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, is it luck or is it what you're meant to do
?
Yeah, I think we all have apath we're meant to do.
It's just.
It's just about finding it ormaybe being open to it.
Do you keep in touch withanyone from your early childhood
days?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's a good question, because I've had some
guys that I used to knock aroundwith in the gang when I was
young who've got in touch withme.
And there was one guy a coupleof years ago who got in touch
with me.
And there was one guy a coupleof years ago he'd spent 25 years
in prison and we lived inLondon in a squat when I was
like 17.
I think he became addicted todrugs and he started robbing
(34:02):
banks to feed his addiction andhe got in touch with me after
all this time and in prison he'dactually become an artist.
When you're in prison, I don'tknow what it's like, but I guess
you're forced into, you know,looking at what's inside you and
what you know, what comes out.
And you often hear stories likethat where these guys find a
talent that they didn't know wasthere and for him it was
(34:24):
painting and I'd moved out toPortugal by then.
He'd come out and he was havingshowcases in London at these
galleries because he'd been inprison for so long.
They'd looked at it and heturned his life around.
So I thought, you know, we hadthat creative connection and
he'd just gone off on acompletely wrong path.
And but yeah, it's alwaysinteresting when people catch up
(34:44):
with you when you've turnedyour life around and they see
you doing something completelyunexpected.
So I've had quite a lot of that, especially when my books were
out in the UK I did a lot ofpublicity.
I did TV and big radio showsback then, so people were
contacting me from my past.
It always made me realize howfar I'd got away from that life,
(35:06):
my old life.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, I imagine it's a bit bittersweet in some ways,
because I can only imagine thatyou feel very proud of how far
you've come, but you probablyalso wish it and want it for the
people that you were surroundedby and for everybody in this
world really.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You know I can always say look, if you struggle and
listen to this or try thisrecording.
You know it's a nice thing todo and I've done that a lot.
Yeah, but the thing that I'mkind of most proud about is that
my oldest son is 37 and he's ahypnotherapist and he's he's an
amazing boy.
I'm so proud of him.
You know everyone loves him.
You know he's got that verylovability and he loves helping
(35:48):
other people and I'm so proud ofhim.
And you know what myself andyou know my ex-wife managed to,
you know, raise him even thoughwe didn't, you know, go the
distance.
And now I've got two youngerkids who are 10 and 8.
So I'm most proud of the factthat I could give them what I
never had.
I love and I love seeing themthrive and blossom and and not
(36:13):
not go through all the traumas Idid.
I tell them my last night theywere asking me stories.
I tell them my, my stories frommy childhood and, you know, age
appropriate, and they love thembecause they're so colorful and
and it almost feels to me likeit was a past life, because
where I am now they'll never gothrough anything like that, but
(36:33):
they can hear my crazy oldcolorful stories and see a
little bit of a different lifethrough them.
But yeah, I'm really proud ofmy kids.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Those are such beautiful lessons and I I think
I learned just as much from thestories of my parents and the
hardships that they faced as Idid from just growing up and
yeah, I mean probably more thanthe education system taught me.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, because when I look at my parents, they were
not good.
Good parents because theydidn't know how to be.
They'd been through a mountainof trauma themselves.
You know they were born duringthe second world war and, you
know, went through a lot ofhardship and austerity
themselves.
So when they became parentsthey were, you know, very stuck
(37:19):
in their own traumas and didn'tknow how to break that cycle.
And so I think you know beingable to, you know having that
epiphany becoming ahypnotherapist, being able to
break the cycle, was a real giftthat I had.
That they didn't, and I thinkit's also the age we live in.
Now we're much more aware andwe have a greater understanding
of how we're wired up and how wework.
(37:39):
So that's a blessing in itself.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, but you have compassion for why your parents
were the type of parents thatthey were.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Because you know what they were surrounded by?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and I think you know.
Another point to that is thatas I was growing up, you know
what they were surrounded byhome when I was 12, I was beaten
.
I was.
That was always how I justifiedmy failure.
But as soon as I started toawaken and I broke out of that
victim mentality and I tookresponsibility for my life and
my role in things you know, Iwasn't I wasn't I'm not a
(38:22):
perfect human being.
I took responsibility formyself and my failings and the
things I'd messed up on, andthat, again, was so liberating.
Even now, you know, I never goback to that old victim
mentality.
It's so hold you in a prison soyou know if anyone's listening
(38:42):
in there.
You've got a sense of that oryou're caught up in any of that.
You know that's something thatyou can work on and free
yourself from, because it onlyholds you back ultimately If
you're blaming other things orsituations for your lack of
success or whatever it is thatjust keeps you stuck.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, and to remember that we all have free will.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So you may have really terrible circumstances or
very good ones, but ultimatelyyour free will is what you
choose to do with it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, absolutely, because some people have
comfortable childhoods wherethey are nurtured and but they
still go off the rails.
Their free will takes them inthe wrong direction.
So it can work in all kinds ofways.
Yeah, yeah, it's discipline anddoing something every day that
takes you further along thatroad.
That's the key For anyonestarting out.
I would work on that, that partof yourself, that discipline,
(39:32):
because that is the thing,that's the key ingredient.
Even on bad days or when youhave setbacks, the discipline is
the thing that gets you overthat and gets you back on track.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So now, are you currently working now or are you
retired?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
No, I still work.
I do love what I do.
I love reaching more and morepeople with the recordings.
I work here in Portugal and mybusiness is in the UK.
It's been there for like 25years and I've got people that
help me in the business stillwork for me in the business.
I suppose I'll retire at somepoint but you know, if you love
(40:05):
what you do, you don't want toretire.
I'm not retiring from.
You know, working in a bank orit doesn't feel like work.
The joy of creating new thingsis something I love and I'll
continue to do that for as longas I can.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And income wise.
Where is your income beinggenerated from?
Is it from the recordings andpeople downloading, or the books
or your YouTube page, or youhave so many different places
where people can reach you.
Can you give us some insightsinto how that actually works as
a business?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, well, I um my recordings uh are so far and
wide now.
I've got them on so manydifferent platforms, I mean even
on Spotify.
I think I had 60,000 newlisteners last month just on
Spotify.
So they and these,000 newlisteners last month, wow, just
on Spotify.
And a lot of these are titlesthat I made 10 or 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
They're evergreen.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But they're kind of evergreen.
They've got energy to them.
That you know.
And sometimes I listen to arecording that's 20 years old
and the music might be a bitcheesy now and I could improve
on that, but it's like I think,well, if it's not broke, don't
(41:19):
fix it.
You're still getting goodreviews.
So I tend to focus on the newerrecordings.
I've got a membership group thatI started a few years ago and
we've got an app now that themembers all in.
I run webinars every couple ofweeks and the members run their
own webinars as well and I dolive recordings on that.
So I do live meditations.
So when I'm on the webinarwe'll talk, I'll chat with the
members and whatever the themeof the webinar is, whatever
comes up, I'll do a livemeditation based on that, and a
(41:42):
lot of the time the members saythey like the those live
recordings, with all theirimperfections, better than the
studio ones, because there's acertain energy about them.
So I I enjoy doing that.
That's.
That's really good fun and it'sfunny.
The members now they've gotsuch a close group all of them
they're coming out to Portugallater this year from all over
the world, which is I'd neverplanned that.
It was something they gottogether and decided to do.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Are you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And are you ready for this?
Yeah, at first I thought, do Iwant this?
But then it was with such goodintent and such a loving vibe
that I thought, yeah, it's goingto be, it's going to be nice,
it's going to be really lovely.
There's one lady, bless her,she's 81 and her husband passed
away about 10 years.
She'd been with him for 50 oddyears and she was so heartbroken
but she found one of myrecordings.
And she was so heartbroken, butshe found my one of my
recordings and she said itchanged her life after that
point.
(42:35):
And then she joined my membersgroup and she's been on every
single webinar, about 120 ofthem at three o'clock in the
morning, because she's inMelbourne, bless her heart, and
she's flying.
She went to see a doctor andshe said the doctor said I can
do it, I'm going to fly over inOctober and and meet you.
And I thought, wow, that isjust amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, I wonder if the next step, or if there is one
that you want, would be doinglive meditations on a stage with
thousands and thousands ofpeople and recording it and
putting that out there into theworld.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, I mean, maybe I I've done a few on Insight
Timer.
I have little spells on InsightTimer.
Where I've done, you know, thenumbers have been 500 plus,
especially during COVID.
It was really, you know, yousee, it's like 500 or 1,000, I
think we had one week and I dolive meditations there and
that's been good.
When I lived in England, I did alive meditation in a theater
(43:33):
with a band called Anima.
So we'd made a range ofrecordings based on the
solfeggio tones, which are theseancient tones that Gregorian
monks use to chant to invokecertain feelings, and we did a
live version of that and it wasreally an amazing event.
It really worked well, but itwas.
(43:55):
It was a funny thing.
We we created this sort ofmagic this one night and you
know, some lovely feedback, butwe just could, never, couldn't
go to the next step.
For some reason, the guy who wasmaking the music he was a.
He was one of the most giftedmusicians I've ever come across
and he created these amazingfrequencies.
But he found it really hard tointeract with the normal world
(44:15):
and to be around normal peopleand he went on to live up in
Scotland in such a remote placethat you could only get there by
getting a boat across a bigriver and he's just completely
cut himself off.
But, yeah, one of those justhighly, highly sensitive, gifted
people that you know you'llnever hear about but is an
(44:37):
amazing talent.
So, yeah, well, that was myfirst and last live meditation
and I'm kind of now, you know,talking about retiring, I can do
what I want.
So do I want to organize anevent and you know that kind of
thing.
There's too many other thingsinvolved in it.
If it was just getting up onstage and someone was taking
care of it, maybe, but I likethe creative side of it, but not
(44:57):
all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I know, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, but never say never.
But I have written another book.
I've got my eighth book thatI've just finished and I'm going
to be hopefully releasing thatthis year, and I've not got a
publisher at the moment.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
What is it called?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
At the moment.
I've got a couple of differenttitles, but the one I've got at
the moment is called Raise yourVibration and it is very much
about you know my journey andthe law of attraction and you
know how you do the innerclearing work to create a space
where you can.
You know your manifestationsare really powerful and there's
(45:31):
nothing blocking them.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So you chose to self-publish this one.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I'm not sure I'm open to having a publisher.
When I got the book deal I hadto write each book within three
months.
I had to sit down and the thingis, the publisher at that time
their vision of what they wantedfrom me.
There was a guy called PaulMcKenna in the UK that had sold
a million books he's still thebiggest nonfiction seller in the
UK and so they kind of wantedme to be not another version of
(45:57):
him.
And I used to say to him I wantto be myself, I want to do my
own thing, I don't want tofollow him.
So anything I put in the booksthat was not congruent with
their idea of what I should be,they'd edit it out.
So that was a frustration.
So now I've written the bookthat I want to write and you
know, with all the warts andeverything and imperfections,
and then I'm going to find areally good copy editor and then
(46:19):
put it out to a few contactsI've still got from those days
and you know, see and alsoproject out there where I want
the book to go.
You know, use the law ofattraction to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
It sounds nice to be able to put work out there.
That's truly you and your voice.
If you haven't yet done it, ifthe other books have been edited
down.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, because it was an amazing deal on the surface
but that was restrictive Icouldn't do much about.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Well, so you've pretty much made every goal that
you've set your mind and hearttowards.
Is there, beyond this book?
Is there anything else left tobe done?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
So my biggest goal is now.
You know I live in a greatplace on the Algarve.
I've got a beautiful familythat I'm so grateful for.
My oldest son lives up the roadand my biggest goal now is that
I mean, I'm 62 and I want tostay as fit and healthy as I can
for as long as I can to watchthose kids grow up and be there
(47:15):
and not just be there but beyoung in mind, body and spirit
to do things with them.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Today's key takeaways .
Rock bottom can be a turningpoint.
Sometimes, hitting your lowestmoment is what cracks you open
to change.
When it feels like you're atthe bottom, there's only one
direction left to go, and that'sup.
Focus on what you can control.
Healing begins with radicalresponsibility.
(47:47):
This isn't about blame.
It's about owning your part,your thoughts, choices and
patterns, so you can reclaimyour power in life.
Your inner world creates yourouter world, so the thoughts you
think, the energy you hold andthe beliefs you carry shape the
(48:07):
reality you live.
Childhood beliefs like I'm notgood enough or money is only for
other people will quietlysabotage your growth unless you
choose to release them.
Watch out for the victimmentality.
Blaming other people,circumstances or situations may
be keeping you stuck.
(48:28):
Own your own story and rewriteit if you need to.
Being soft takes strength,especially for men raised to be
stoic.
Opening your heart isn'tweakness.
It takes courage.
Believe in what you're building.
Hold the vision and let desireguide you.
(48:49):
Whatever you want to create,define it clearly.
Write down your top five goalsand place them on post-it notes
where you wake up, work or makeyour coffee.
Put these daily reminders inplaces where you'll constantly
see them to help generatemomentum, silence, the noise,
(49:09):
and speak to yourself in wayslike I'm always in the right
place at the right time.
Abundance comes freely andnaturally to me.
All of my needs are constantlymet.
This will put you in the rightframe of mind, and mindset
matters, but it's just thebeginning.
Free will means you have totake the steps, so any action
(49:32):
action, even a small one, opensthe door.
That's it for today.
I release episodes once a week,so come back and check it out.
Have a great day.
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