August 28, 2024 • 36 mins
Have you ever wondered how a simple email could change your life forever? Or how a professional connection could evolve into a deep, romantic bond? In this episode of "How I Met My BFF," Leisa and Tamara sit down with the extraordinary Elinor Moshe and Daniel Darman, who share their unique journey from best friends to romantic partners.
The heart of the episode dives into Elinor and Daniel’s story. From their first email exchange during a stressful period in 2021 to their seamless first meeting post-lockdown, their connection blossomed into something truly special. Hear about their transformative past life regression session that broke down emotional walls and led to a deeper romantic connection.
Discover their joint venture, "Truth of You," and how they are helping others reclaim their realities through consciousness work and spiritual guidance. This episode is a testament to the unexpected ways friendships can evolve and the importance of emotional support.
Join us for this inspiring tale of love, friendship, and personal growth. You never know when you might meet your next best friend!
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exploration into the layers of identity and being to arrive at truth.
For only at truth can liberation from illusions be achieved, allowing a richer expression of you.
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Leisa (00:01):
Hey, besties. My name's Lisa.
Tamara (00:03):
And my name's Tamara, and we're BFFs.
Leisa (00:06):
Tamara and I met when we were about 12 years old growing
up in good old Fairbanks,Alaska.
Tamara (00:11):
And we've been best friends forever since.
Leisa (00:13):
That's right. And that's why we've decided to have some
fun, friendly conversations withthe bestest of best friends.
Tamara (00:18):
We'll talk about how we became best friends, our
experiences together, and haveother best friends on the show
to share how they met.
Leisa (00:26):
Who knows? You never know when you'll meet your next BFF.
Tamara (00:30):
Now let's get into it, how I met my BFF.
Leisa (00:34):
Welcome to another episode of how I met my BFF.
Hey, Tamara.
Tamara (00:39):
Hey, Lisa. How's it going?
Leisa (00:41):
It's good. I think you're gonna see my boyfriend this
week. Right?
Tamara (00:45):
I am.
Eleanor (00:46):
You're gonna
Leisa (00:47):
see Eddie? Ed Ed Mhmm. From Pearl Jam?
Tamara (00:49):
Oh my gosh.
Leisa (00:50):
So jealous. You can make sure and pass him a note for me.
Could you?
Tamara (00:54):
I'll do my best. Yes. I have many notes to pass to him,
I'm sure. So What? Well, I'll domy best, but No.
He says, yes. Pearl Jam
Leisa (01:03):
is Just one.
Tamara (01:04):
Pearl Jam well, yeah. Pearl Jam is in Missoula this
week, so very exciting and doinga bunch of political stuff as
well
Daniel (01:14):
Oh.
Tamara (01:15):
That they do, with our, senators. So lots of stuff going
on, but yeah. So I will let youknow how that goes. I'm sure
we'll talk about it next week.How's your
Leisa (01:25):
day going? Wait to hear about it. Well, I'm I'll talk to
you on Friday, so I'll get I'llget the insider scoop. In my
world well, we I I did drop alittle Easter egg last time that
I had some news in our familyand that is that Mark is opening
(01:46):
up his own indoor golf studio.And we still don't have the
website live, but it will besoon.
And it's in Lake Forest,California. Very exciting. And
it's been a big project. I justlooked up the date yesterday or,
actually, no. I looked up thedate today of when he found out
that he was gonna start his ownstudio, and it was July 12th.
(02:09):
And it's literally, like, barelya month has gone by, and we
already have the commercialspace. He's got it pretty much
built out. It is it's beengangbusters over here.
Tamara (02:20):
That's amazing.
Leisa (02:21):
But, yeah. We're gonna, we're going to be able to employ
I don't mean employ becausethey're not gonna be employees,
but we're gonna be able toprovide a space for 5 other golf
instructors to have their ownbusiness in the studio. So it's
pretty exciting, like, that getto help people make money. I
love that.
Tamara (02:41):
Absolutely. Yay. Well, that's cool. Congratulations.
Leisa (02:45):
Thing. Yeah. Biggest excitement in our world. Today,
we have a fun fun guest lineupfor you because we have Eleanor
and Daniel. Eleanor and Daniel,welcome to the show.
Eleanor (03:02):
Thank you so much for having us here. Good morning.
Leisa (03:04):
Yes. Yes. We're excited to hear your best friend's
story. It's gonna be a juicyone, besties, because this is
kind of your perfect scenario,honestly. I mean, I haven't
heard the story yet, but I wouldimagine that this is something
that's a gift that keeps ongiving.
So, Eleanor, do you wanna giveus a quick a quick version of
how you and Daniel met for thevery first time?
Eleanor (03:27):
Of course. It was an email during the worst period of
our lives or a very challengingperiod where there was a lot
happening personally,professionally, and publicly,
both in the world. It was in2021. We were working in I was
working in the worst site that Ihave been. It was toxic.
(03:50):
It was stressful. And I wastasked with dealing with a crane
for structural steel in aconstruction site. And Daniel
was on the other end of meaningto help me with that with that
crane permit. So it started offwith an email. And then as, you
know, we related so quickly asto what was happening in the
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world at the time and theconversation.
We just texted, but then it wasmeant to be, and we found
ourselves just speaking the samelanguage in a time when no one
in our world at the time wasable to understand what was
really happening for uspersonally, professionally, and
publicly.
Leisa (04:33):
Okay. So wait a second. You needed a crane permit. Like,
you needed to find a crane. Youfound a crane, but you needed to
get permission to use the crane.
Is that that's
Daniel (04:42):
kinda weird. On that side.
Eleanor (04:44):
He can get a tip.
Leisa (04:46):
What what a strange problem to have. Okay, Daniel.
Tell us from your perspective.Yep.
Daniel (04:51):
So I worked for an airport and we have Oh, okay.
Laws. And this crane justdecided to pop up into the
protected airspace. And so whenwe reached out to them and said,
well, you need to lower thatuntil we can go through the
official legal channels, Thecrane operator put Eleanor in
charge of managing that from theconstruction end, and I was on
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the aviation end.
Leisa (05:14):
Oh, that's so interesting. A problem one
wouldn't expect to be in.
Daniel (05:20):
Not at all. Mhmm. And I was already not particularly
happy in that job after a while.And and so with it, it was great
to just meet someone who as westarted just speaking about
other things as well, we're onthe phone just hearing what was
going on in their life, like, inher life and what's going out in
(05:40):
the world and stuff. To findpeace with someone else was just
and it was enormous at the timebecause, you know, 2020, 2021
was a very tough time for a lotof us, and Mhmm.
There are a lot of, you know,people that we did like, I lost,
you know, connections with otherpeople and stuff. And for
Eleanor to to hold through, notonly just hold through, but to
get to where we are now was itjust speaks volumes.
Leisa (06:04):
Wow. So so you were emailing. And then how did it go
from an email to texting totalking? Because that's pretty
serious situation, like, problemwork problem. How did it go into
the personal?
Eleanor, do you wanna share?
Eleanor (06:22):
Of course. Because so much was happening in the world
and we were trying to make senseof it. It was through the
conversations, and we juststarted sharing, I guess,
resources or information as towhat was happening. And there
was a period there between 2020to 2021. We weren't really
talking.
And then in Melbourne had theworld's longest lockdown, things
were really escalating here in2021. And on the back of that,
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as there were so manyuncertainties and policies
coming out and all sorts ofchanges. Daniel was the the
refuge, the one that I soughtguidance with. And I called him.
It might have been the day orjust a couple of hours after I
had a massive paradigm shift asto what was playing out in the
world externally.
And he was just without secondthought, I'm like, I'm just
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going to call Daniel, and thatwas a 2 hour conversation. And
he gave so much peace andconsolence as to what was
happening. And I was justastounded that someone knew the
depth of what was playing outand what was happening and could
relate it to work and could giveme just guidance and assurity.
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And then the conversations kepton going from there. We would
message each other.
We hadn't met in person at thisstage, but he would stay up till
4 AM in the morning, and wewould be messaging each other
about things that were happeningin the world. And when, you
know, we lost employment and welost friends, and this person
was saying this person, I wouldvery comfortably go to him. That
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is not something that I have theability to do, which is to seek
help or seek refuge in anotherperson. I've only known how to
shoulder things by myself andpresent the strong front. And
with Daniel, it was just so easyfrom the outset to even try and
express externally what washappening at the time and the
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generosity of of wisdom.
It wasn't just information. Itwasn't just facts. It was wisdom
that I've never heard of beforethat was just being presented
and so generously. And I'm like,who is this person, and what's
happening?
Leisa (08:31):
So did you not know what he looked like? Neither of you
knew what each other lookedlike, or did you because of
social media or no?
Eleanor (08:37):
No. That that's that's for you to answer.
Daniel (08:40):
I knew what she looked like. She's got a website and
and everything. She's big onsocial media. I was, I was I was
available, like, when we verylike, at the very start. But
before we actually startedhaving real conversations, she I
don't think
Eleanor (08:54):
You didn't have social media?
Daniel (08:55):
But our email didn't also have our picture.
Leisa (08:57):
No. I
Daniel (08:57):
didn't know what it looked like.
Leisa (09:00):
So when you had, like, these conversations at 4 in the
morning, you still didn't knowthat?
Daniel (09:04):
You still didn't know? Did. You didn't.
Eleanor (09:07):
No. He Daniel had no social media, and I didn't know
why at the time.
Daniel (09:11):
So, like, okay. This is you
Eleanor (09:12):
know, this guy just has no social media presence
whatsoever. He had one profilepicture on Telegram, and he had
a hat and sunglasses. So it wasit was a wild guess from my end.
Leisa (09:24):
So you're like, okay. He's at least in the age range
or he's at least not Yeah.
Eleanor (09:29):
You can get that part out just because of the, you
know, like, the work situationand, like, he could have been 4
like, he could have been 50,could have been 40. I had no
idea, but it was throughconversation that, like, maybe a
reference was when I was 30 afew years ago, and then you're
like, okay. He's 30 somethingnow. But we didn't share any
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personal details at firsteither. It could have been
anyone.
Leisa (09:56):
Oh, that's so fun. So then things became best
friendly.
Eleanor (10:06):
It was around probably 8 16 to 18 months that a lot of
our connection was still forgedon the external world and what
was happening because we hadexperienced, like, the loss of
employment and friends. Andthings were very turbulent and
destabilized for us in theexternal realm. So a lot of the
conversation was still aboutthat. We shared very little of
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ourselves personally, which hadnothing to do with one another,
but that's how disassociated andemotionally shut down we were as
individuals and the fear ofletting someone in to see our
darkness, to see the parts ofourselves that we did not like
and did not wanna give light to.And for me, it was late 2022
(10:50):
that I started sharing more ofmy internal reality.
And then that was quite similarto how Daniel's live life
template. Like, same same, butdifferent. But the themes were
so strong and were so similar,and we both found ourselves in
our early thirties in a verysimilar situation, and that's
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what started giving each otherthe license and permission to
start sharing. Because otherthan ourselves, we don't have a
model or template for healthyconscious relating. And starting
to share something, I wouldshare something which I would be
embarrassed about and the shoewould never drop.
The boomerang would never comeback. It would never be
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weaponized against me. And thenthat would start giving license
to start sharing a little bitmore and a little bit more.
Leisa (11:40):
Beautiful.
Tamara (11:41):
So I wanna hear about the first time you all met in
person. And I guess, Daniel, doyou wanna start us out with
that?
Daniel (11:49):
Yeah. So, eventually, the lockdown ceased, and we
decided just to catch up and gofor a walk, because a lot of
places were still closed. Thereweren't many places we could sit
down or be without, you know,wearing a mask or or anything
like that. It's so we just wentto the park and just went for a
(12:10):
walk together, and it was it wasjust wonderful. It was just an
extension of everything we haddone before.
Even how we sort of approached,how we related to each other, as
Alonore mentioned, it was it wasa lot more, like, externally
focused and stuff to begin with.Neither of us were were looking
for anything. We just wantedcomfort. We just wanted
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validation. We just wanted somesort of peace within ourselves
and assurance that we weren'tgoing insane through through
this period and just to catchup.
It it just it was magic in thesense that it just all felt
right. It just there was no I'veyou know, I don't meet a lot of
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people, actually, but, you know,there there's something that's
off about them or there'ssomething that you're just like,
why would they say that? Orthere's just none of it. It was
just it just all flowed. That'sall I could really summarize it.
It was just wonderful.
Leisa (13:10):
So well, Eleanor, how about you when when you guys met
in person in person?
Eleanor (13:17):
That ability to have all defenses down. I've only
ever known how to present as I'ma strong independent woman. It's
like, no. I'm not under thesurface. But with Daniel, I
could lay down all defenses, andI did not have to try to be
anything.
Now, of course, at the time, Ididn't have the language to
frame this, but that's what itwas. There was no power
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dynamics. There was nothing toprove. There was no need to try
and play a character or pretendthat I know something that I
have no knowledge about becausehe didn't place the worth on the
external things as well. Andthat was also such a reprieve
from needing to pretend to besomething that I wasn't at the
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time.
But, again, I didn't know thatat the time. So there was a
lightness of being with Daniel,and it was unlike any friendship
even that I've had at the timebecause the invitation was
there. The safety was there, andthat's not a currency that you
think you need in relationshipsto have safety, but you do.
Leisa (14:26):
Definitely. Definitely. So then after meeting so by
then, you're already kinda bestfriends. Yes? Yes?
And then
Daniel (14:35):
very good friends by the way.
Leisa (14:36):
Good friends.
Daniel (14:36):
We were best. You still had we still had to build it up.
Leisa (14:39):
Okay. And then how long until you went past best
friendship to another level ofromantic partners?
Daniel (14:49):
So that didn't actually occur until a past life
regression that we had onholiday together this year.
Leisa (14:56):
Oh my gosh.
Eleanor (14:57):
This is
Leisa (14:57):
a new relationship, romantic relationship.
Daniel (15:01):
So we were just friend and it was just building
stronger and the energies werejust building, building,
building, And there was just somuch comfort, but there were
still walls up against, like,romance and love, in that sense.
And I remember, you know,Eleanor had a a lady on a
podcast and, you know, shedecided, well, she does past
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life regressions. Let's go on aholiday. And I'm like, you know
what? I've been out for a while.
Let's do it. And we decided togo and, basically, when I had my
regression, all of my walls camedown. And I'm like, oh, now I
see what was the what wasbuilding the entire time, and I
wasn't even aware of it becauseI'd already resigned that I
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didn't want a relationship inthis life. It wasn't about
Eleanor. It was I didn't wantrelationships.
It's just easy to be single,don't have to deal with it. And
when I had the regression, I sawso far past those belief systems
that I couldn't not do anythinganymore. Something had to be
said.
Leisa (16:05):
I have a question. So so a just to give some context. So
my dad's life work was past liferegression. So I grew up with
with all kinds of opportunitiesto explore that. So what was the
so this is kind of a specificquestion.
What was the particular purposeof that experience? Like, did
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they say go back into a pastlife or did they say go look
into the future? Or, like, whatwas the direction of that of
that experience?
Eleanor (16:37):
Do you remember? Was quickly mentioned. Yeah. You'll
share that. But the reason wewent up there is that we have
been on the the healing journeyor the path to self reclamation
over the last year.
And I felt that I was at animpasse And, like, I need
answers. You know, the problemsthat we're facing, it's not that
he didn't want a relationship.I've never had a relationship.
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And this is coming into yourthirties. It's like, why isn't
this the case?
But then as Daniel did, I waslike, because I had excavated so
much, I dredged up so much of myown shadow. I'm like, there is
no way someone's going to comeinto my life and even accept all
of this or look at this. So eventhe reason that I started the
healing was also the reason thatI'm like, this ain't happening.
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This ain't happening for years.I have to clean myself up
completely.
So the the context as to why wedid a regression was like, we
need answers and I you know? Andjust needing to get out. So
yeah. Go on.
Leisa (17:35):
So is it more along the lines of, like, I wanna fix or
heal whatever's going on in thislife from the past? Was that
generally the the okay.
Daniel (17:43):
Got it.
Leisa (17:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel (17:44):
We had challenges and needing answers. I know the
thing is that sometimes if youhave bigger problems in life
that keep playing out or thingsthat aren't moving when they
should you know, Eleanormentioned, you know, thirties
and no relationship. It's likethat's there's something deeper
going on there. Yeah. Andusually the conscious mind just
cannot figure it out.
(18:05):
The conscious mind typically isthe one who set up the walls to
begin with. Absolutely. Andsometimes there is past life
stuff that come into it as well.So I'd actually had a previous
one last year, which I thinksparked the interest as well to
look into it again. I very muchstruggled for it because I
couldn't get my conscious mindout of the way, but I was able
to practice this time around andand be really prepared.
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So I was able to go much deeper,and that's when I'm just like, I
see what's happening here, and Isee what was happening over
years that I could not see and Icould not really tap into the
feeling enough. Becauseotherwise, I've things might
have been different. But as theregressionist said, it was
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divine timing, and we think it'snothing less than that.
Leisa (18:50):
Absolutely. Yeah. You were, like, brought in right at
that intersection together. Wow.So what do you I get usually,
what we'll ask best friends iswhat do you love about each
other?
Like, what are three things thatyou love or appreciate about the
other person? So, Eleanor, doyou wanna share 3 things that
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you appreciate and love aboutDaniel?
Eleanor (19:15):
The things that came to mind was his divinity. The
experience of someone who is toobig to be this small is just it
it's life essence. And that maysound, you know, fluffy, but you
roll everything up. It's theability to experience the divine
without and then so within. Anddo you have someone that is so
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safe that really wants you to beall of who you are?
You know, there's there's somuch freedom in our
relationship, like, so much loveand so much freedom. That's the
foundation of it all. And thatis the thing which I personally
crave the most in relationshipsis freedom. And then, of course,
the the love is a grandexpression of that. So it is the
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divinity.
It is the freedom and just howdivine and powerful he is as an
individual, and that wassomething that I was how he
spoke and what he knew and andhow he knew. I'm like, it never
made sense to me as to howsomeone who knows as much as he
does about their cold and theiresoteric and consciousness
exploration is where he is, andhe saw the same within me. So it
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is those qualities. It is trulythe divinity within.
Leisa (20:26):
Wow. And, Daniel, what do you love and appreciate about
Eleanor?
Daniel (20:32):
First of all, it was just her presence. There is to
start off, there is nothing sheneeds to do to influence me.
Just being there is having anenormous effect, and I don't
know how that's happening fullyyet. All I know is it's there.
The presence definitely is justan enormous one.
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She's a very pretty face
Leisa (20:57):
too. I can't deny it.
Daniel (20:58):
Like, something to look at just that that's the icing on
the cake as well. And Oh, that'sbeautiful. And it's just the
fact that, as she says, she sheneeds and craves freedom, and I
also need my own version of thatas well. We're into astrology as
well, and we both have Uranus,which is freedom of expression
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in the 7th house ofrelationships. And so we both
align there just to be able togo right.
We need to have our own space.We need to be able to do our own
things and that respect for eachother. I think respect really is
the theme there to allowourselves to still be free to be
who we are without suffocatingor smothering the other as well.
That's a big part of what I wasagainst with relationships as
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well. Not only the the the toxicside of it and stuff, but,
really, it's just when theybecome too, too enmeshed or too,
too close, in a sense that theindividuality is lost.
Mhmm. So as long as therelationship is built on that,
you can go as deep as you likeas long as you still have some
sense of individuality.
Leisa (22:06):
Yeah. Well, Tamara is our expert astrologist.
Tamara (22:11):
Well, I, yes, I have thoughts on it and ideas and
some knowledge. But, yeah, Iwanted kinda back to the past
life thing. Just I had aquestion. When you did the
regression, so it was a pastlife you both had together,
Would you can you go like, whenwas there a time? Is it back in
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history?
What time in history? What wereyou you know, how do you were
you guys was it together a pastlife?
Daniel (22:40):
So no. It was done on separate days, and I'll give you
a very quick overview.Essentially, when we went to
Queensland, we went to a market,and there was a a tarot reader.
And we decided to get it, see ifwe'd had any past lives
together. And he did a reading,and he had one where we were
lovers.
And, essentially, we diedtragically and not of old age.
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Together. Together.
Eleanor (23:04):
At the same time.
Tamara (23:06):
Yeah.
Daniel (23:07):
So that left us thinking. And that night, I
actually took up a tarot deck aswell, and we we did a reading,
and we we got some answers aswell. The the outcome, we did a
Celtic cross, and the outcome ofthat was the 3 of swords
reversed. The fear of losingeach other.
Eleanor (23:23):
That was for this lifetime.
Daniel (23:24):
That's in this lifetime because we were not sure, like,
well, what does it mean, and andwhere do we stand now? And so I
had the the regression first thethe day after we arrived and the
day after the market and thattarot reading that we did. And
it was that night that Irealized I have to say
something. I can't I can't lieto her. You know?
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I have to say something. And wewere just talking, and then it
just sort of went in thatdirection very quickly, and it
all came out so quickly. Withinhours, I'd already mentioned the
l word, and I couldn't help it.I was sitting there shocked to
the what I was saying becausethe higher self was still
present after the regression. Itlingers for a few days.
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And so I said I said it, and I'mjust like, what did I just say?
And then Eleanor in the sessionthen just
Leisa (24:17):
Eleanor, yeah, was your how were you feeling when he was
sharing that? Were you on thesame page at that point?
Eleanor (24:25):
Absolutely. But a big part of my work like, my healing
journey has been coming back tothe body. And you start paying
attention as to how come I wannabe close to this person when
we're in a crystal shop, andthis person just offers so much
peace within. And, yeah, we weresitting there, and I don't
remember the conversation or thelead up other than him asking,
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so do you think we should trysomething between us? And then
there was a micropause, and thatwas all systems getting into
alignment, and it was theeasiest yes that I have ever
said in my life and which didn'tmake sense because we're so
conditioned that things need tobe hard and you have to fight
for them.
And it's going to be a struggle,and it's all sorts of things.
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But when you start somethingbased on truth and harmony and
and love, then it is meant to beeasy. It can be easy rather than
it's it's meant to. And we dopast life hypnosis on each
other. Do you wanna share whatthe heart said?
So we asked the yeah?
Daniel (25:32):
You said.
Eleanor (25:33):
Okay. So in we asked the higher self questions when
we put ourselves under hypnosis.So as a curiosity question, we
asked if our hearts knew if wewere the people for each other
when we first met and Danielcouldn't even get the question
out and the response from thehigher selves was, of course.
And our hearts had to work veryhard to get us to that point of
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being able to to come togetherin in our union. So it was this
single handedly easiest and bestdecision that I ever made.
Leisa (26:06):
Wow. What a beautiful story. Oh my gosh. I love you
guys so much, and I just metyou.
Eleanor (26:13):
Thank you. It's wonderful to share and relive
this. And, you know, we camefrom again, we we didn't come
from a background whererelationships were easy. We
don't know what it was like.Even friendships for me were
difficult.
And that whole arena was justone massive struggle town, and
we got the gift of each otherbecause we honored the path and
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the work, and we also held out.You know, we didn't accept half
baked models, and we see a lotof people just settling or
compromising and just that's theheart's held out because the
heart's new.
Daniel (26:50):
Can I just add on that as well? It was with the
regression that Eleanor did onme, a few weeks back when the
higher self mentioned that youare a gift to each other and the
overwhelm. I don't feel intenseemotions that I can't control
myself, but in that moment,there was a groundswell and then
a flood, and I could not holdmyself stable in that moment.
(27:12):
And to have that reaffirmed in alater regression, I remember
saying, we love, like, we lovehearing that every single time.
And then the higher self said,we're happy to tell you every
single time.
Leisa (27:24):
Wow. Wow. That's so beautiful. And now if I'm
correct, you're helping otherpeople with their own love. Is
that true?
Am I correct in that?
Eleanor (27:36):
Love is a part of it, but we did start our business,
Truth of You. And this ismassive because I had an attempt
at business and it failed for somany different reasons, and it
had to. And a big lesson for meis I can't do this alone, and I
don't also want to do thisalone. And for me, I wanted an
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everything person. I didn't likethe idea of compartmentalizing.
Like, you know, he would go outand do a 9 to 5, and I would
just do this, and we would leavelead separate lives. Like, he
can be individual, but lives canbe completely combined, and
that's what I wanted. I wantedthe everything, everything
person, and that meant business.And not many people have that
(28:18):
appetite or that interest oreven a a joint mission. Like,
you as you both in your ownrespective spaces, like, there's
so many things that need toalign in business alone for it
to work, let alone make thatyour whole life.
So we recently launched ourbusiness, truth of you, and we
position ourselves as heavy dutyconsciousness workers and and
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guides because like us, theproblem seemed so simple on the
outset. But we needed to gohigher and higher and both
deeper and deeper in ourperspectives in order to extract
ourselves, reclaim ourselves,understand ourselves, and to be
able to then offer that forother people whether those
problems are in family orwhatever arena that falls into.
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But what we also found throughexposure to different
practitioners is that it wasn'tintegrated enough. It wasn't
holistic enough. There wasalways a piece missing.
So given that, you know, we'vehad mystical experiences and and
gone back in time and throughtime and so many different
experiences to seek tounderstand how is it that we
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haven't been the center of ourreality, and how do we get back
in as the center of our ownreality and taking more of that
spiritual paradigm and thatspiritual lens. You can speak to
them.
Daniel (29:40):
And can I just add on that as well that what we're
really trying to build thebusiness to become is one that
is more integral in its approachwith spiritual things? It's not
one model or another, onelanguage or one style. It's
trying to bring all of themtogether to help the individual
realize that they exist and theylive and they can change their
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reality beyond any model, beyondany language. They're just
tools. You know, no one shames acarpenter for using a drill over
a screwdriver.
No. It's a it's the same thing.The right tool for the right job
is a is a phrase that I'vestarted using because I realized
that, you know, simple and andeasier challenges require easier
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solutions, but the really toughones, especially like on our own
journey because we had so manywalls up and and so many
barriers. As I said, I reallystruggle with my first past life
simply because I could notrelax. And it's the the
environment was great.
I don't see why I couldn't, butthat was a problem with me that
I've come to learn as to why andand, you know, how we can teach
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others really or figure out whythey're not to begin with to
then begin to know how to helpthem.
Leisa (30:53):
What what's the is the website the the truth of you or
truth of you? Tell me thewebsite.
Eleanor (30:59):
Truthofyou.com.au.
Leisa (31:02):
Okay. Truthofyou.com.au because you're in Australia if
nobody knows this. Yes. Yes.
Tamara (31:13):
Yeah. You I I'm so happy we got to interview you tonight
even though I think for youguys, you're a day ahead of us.
But it's a super, blue fullmoon, a sturgeon moon, and, an
Aquarius. So it seems veryfitting that we interviewed you,
had you on tonight. So thank youso much.
(31:35):
That's lovely. And wow. I it'sfunny. I that's been coming up a
lot for me lately as far aswanting, you know, to have a
partner. I'm trying to take overa winery and run that as a
business.
And I just you know, in mythoughts for a number of years,
I'm like, oh, any everyone wantsto run a winery and do this.
(31:56):
Like, I want a partner too tohelp me with that. Maybe not
necessarily romantically. Iwould love that as well, but
beggars can't be choosers, Iguess, and or whatever. And,
but, it would so I totally canrelate to just, like, wanting a
partner and the passionate thingthat you want to do in life.
So that's great that you've beenable to find that.
Leisa (32:18):
Yeah. We're just gonna ask if Daniel had a maybe an
older brother for Tamara. Hewants to run a winery in
Montana.
Tamara (32:24):
He wants to live in America. Yeah. I don't know.
Eleanor (32:29):
We never thought that we'd be those people. Like, we
went to an event on, onSaturday, and we were the people
that we were like, I want whatyou have or, like, what you guys
have, and they were feeding offour energy and just I never
thought we would be that personor us. You know, people asking
us for relationship advice. It'slike, I never would have thought
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reality. Like, even just havingthis conversation in this
context.
You know? I also lost my voicebecause of many not physically,
but energetically. I lost theability to speak and just being
able to sit here and have thisconversation of this nature with
you both with Daniel. It's it isI it is beyond this was beyond
my wildest dreams.
Leisa (33:11):
Oh, wow. That's so cool.
Eleanor (33:14):
And he's the only brother in the family. So
Leisa (33:17):
Wow. Well, that's okay.
Eleanor (33:19):
He's got 2 sisters. I was trying to
Leisa (33:21):
say. Energetically, there's another person who's,
you know, has these qualities,who's ready for Tamara just to
Yes. In a different in adifferent body.
Daniel (33:30):
The universe knows. The heart knows. You just have to
know how to connect connect withthem.
Tamara (33:36):
The university needs to pick up its momentum here. So,
anyways but, yeah, I agree. I Iknow it. I'm still trusting of
it, but, man. Oh, man.
So it's okay. But so our kind ofusually, we wrap up, our podcast
by asking you both most of thetime our guests are in different
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places. But since you aretogether, what are you 2 gonna
do for fun when you when wefinish this podcast? What are
you gonna go do?
Eleanor (34:05):
We have another podcast after this, but Daniel is a
phenomenal cook. I am soblessed. Carb wise, all all the
I he's a phenomenal cook. It isan expression of our love. Well,
his love for me.
I eat. I do the eating.
Daniel (34:23):
And I do the cooking. Yes.
Leisa (34:24):
Nice.
Eleanor (34:25):
But it's it's something that is so nourishing, and we
also forget that, you know, howyou know, food isn't meant to
be. Just throw it down and andbe unconscious about the eating,
and it's a way for us to alsojust connect. And and and it's
another form of expression, andwe take so I take so much joy in
that for sure. So Daniel will becooking, and I will be eating.
Leisa (34:48):
That is so beautiful. Well, thank you, Eleanor and
Daniel, for being on our show,sharing your story. I am sure
that it will inspire lots ofbesties out there listening. And
as we always say, you never knowwhen you are going to meet your
next best friend. It might bebecause something's in the what
was it?
The air zone or the
Daniel (35:10):
The air space.
Leisa (35:11):
The air space, illegally. That could be your ticket to
everlasting love. You neverknow. Yeah. Bye, everybody.
Eleanor (35:20):
Thank you so much.
Leisa (35:21):
Have a good rest.
Tamara (35:22):
Thank you.
Leisa (35:25):
Hey, bestie. Thanks for listening. If you like this
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Tamara (35:36):
That's right. And also, leave us a review. Those reviews
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Leisa (35:42):
Yes. And if you have a fun story about how you met your
BFF, send us an email at info athow I met my bff.com. We would
love to hear about it.
Tamara (35:51):
Definitely. And, hey, maybe we'll have you on our next
episode.
Leisa (35:55):
That would be awesome. Until next time.
Tamara (35:58):
Love you, BFFs.
Hey, besties. My name's Lisa.
Tamara (00:03):
And my name's Tamara, and we're BFFs.
Leisa (00:06):
Tamara and I met when we were about 12 years old growing
up in good old Fairbanks,Alaska.
Tamara (00:11):
And we've been best friends forever since.
Leisa (00:13):
That's right. And that's why we've decided to have some
fun, friendly conversations withthe bestest of best friends.
Tamara (00:18):
We'll talk about how we became best friends, our
experiences together, and haveother best friends on the show
to share how they met.
Leisa (00:26):
Who knows? You never know when you'll meet your next BFF.
Tamara (00:30):
Now let's get into it, how I met my BFF.
Leisa (00:34):
Welcome to another episode of how I met my BFF.
Hey, Tamara.
Tamara (00:39):
Hey, Lisa. How's it going?
Leisa (00:41):
It's good. I think you're gonna see my boyfriend this
week. Right?
Tamara (00:45):
I am.
Eleanor (00:46):
You're gonna
Leisa (00:47):
see Eddie? Ed Ed Mhmm. From Pearl Jam?
Tamara (00:49):
Oh my gosh.
Leisa (00:50):
So jealous. You can make sure and pass him a note for me.
Could you?
Tamara (00:54):
I'll do my best. Yes. I have many notes to pass to him,
I'm sure. So What? Well, I'll domy best, but No.
He says, yes. Pearl Jam
Leisa (01:03):
is Just one.
Tamara (01:04):
Pearl Jam well, yeah. Pearl Jam is in Missoula this
week, so very exciting and doinga bunch of political stuff as
well
Daniel (01:14):
Oh.
Tamara (01:15):
That they do, with our, senators. So lots of stuff going
on, but yeah. So I will let youknow how that goes. I'm sure
we'll talk about it next week.How's your
Leisa (01:25):
day going? Wait to hear about it. Well, I'm I'll talk to
you on Friday, so I'll get I'llget the insider scoop. In my
world well, we I I did drop alittle Easter egg last time that
I had some news in our familyand that is that Mark is opening
(01:46):
up his own indoor golf studio.And we still don't have the
website live, but it will besoon.
And it's in Lake Forest,California. Very exciting. And
it's been a big project. I justlooked up the date yesterday or,
actually, no. I looked up thedate today of when he found out
that he was gonna start his ownstudio, and it was July 12th.
(02:09):
And it's literally, like, barelya month has gone by, and we
already have the commercialspace. He's got it pretty much
built out. It is it's beengangbusters over here.
Tamara (02:20):
That's amazing.
Leisa (02:21):
But, yeah. We're gonna, we're going to be able to employ
I don't mean employ becausethey're not gonna be employees,
but we're gonna be able toprovide a space for 5 other golf
instructors to have their ownbusiness in the studio. So it's
pretty exciting, like, that getto help people make money. I
love that.
Tamara (02:41):
Absolutely. Yay. Well, that's cool. Congratulations.
Leisa (02:45):
Thing. Yeah. Biggest excitement in our world. Today,
we have a fun fun guest lineupfor you because we have Eleanor
and Daniel. Eleanor and Daniel,welcome to the show.
Eleanor (03:02):
Thank you so much for having us here. Good morning.
Leisa (03:04):
Yes. Yes. We're excited to hear your best friend's
story. It's gonna be a juicyone, besties, because this is
kind of your perfect scenario,honestly. I mean, I haven't
heard the story yet, but I wouldimagine that this is something
that's a gift that keeps ongiving.
So, Eleanor, do you wanna giveus a quick a quick version of
how you and Daniel met for thevery first time?
Eleanor (03:27):
Of course. It was an email during the worst period of
our lives or a very challengingperiod where there was a lot
happening personally,professionally, and publicly,
both in the world. It was in2021. We were working in I was
working in the worst site that Ihave been. It was toxic.
(03:50):
It was stressful. And I wastasked with dealing with a crane
for structural steel in aconstruction site. And Daniel
was on the other end of meaningto help me with that with that
crane permit. So it started offwith an email. And then as, you
know, we related so quickly asto what was happening in the
(04:12):
world at the time and theconversation.
We just texted, but then it wasmeant to be, and we found
ourselves just speaking the samelanguage in a time when no one
in our world at the time wasable to understand what was
really happening for uspersonally, professionally, and
publicly.
Leisa (04:33):
Okay. So wait a second. You needed a crane permit. Like,
you needed to find a crane. Youfound a crane, but you needed to
get permission to use the crane.
Is that that's
Daniel (04:42):
kinda weird. On that side.
Eleanor (04:44):
He can get a tip.
Leisa (04:46):
What what a strange problem to have. Okay, Daniel.
Tell us from your perspective.Yep.
Daniel (04:51):
So I worked for an airport and we have Oh, okay.
Laws. And this crane justdecided to pop up into the
protected airspace. And so whenwe reached out to them and said,
well, you need to lower thatuntil we can go through the
official legal channels, Thecrane operator put Eleanor in
charge of managing that from theconstruction end, and I was on
(05:12):
the aviation end.
Leisa (05:14):
Oh, that's so interesting. A problem one
wouldn't expect to be in.
Daniel (05:20):
Not at all. Mhmm. And I was already not particularly
happy in that job after a while.And and so with it, it was great
to just meet someone who as westarted just speaking about
other things as well, we're onthe phone just hearing what was
going on in their life, like, inher life and what's going out in
(05:40):
the world and stuff. To findpeace with someone else was just
and it was enormous at the timebecause, you know, 2020, 2021
was a very tough time for a lotof us, and Mhmm.
There are a lot of, you know,people that we did like, I lost,
you know, connections with otherpeople and stuff. And for
Eleanor to to hold through, notonly just hold through, but to
get to where we are now was itjust speaks volumes.
Leisa (06:04):
Wow. So so you were emailing. And then how did it go
from an email to texting totalking? Because that's pretty
serious situation, like, problemwork problem. How did it go into
the personal?
Eleanor, do you wanna share?
Eleanor (06:22):
Of course. Because so much was happening in the world
and we were trying to make senseof it. It was through the
conversations, and we juststarted sharing, I guess,
resources or information as towhat was happening. And there
was a period there between 2020to 2021. We weren't really
talking.
And then in Melbourne had theworld's longest lockdown, things
were really escalating here in2021. And on the back of that,
(06:47):
as there were so manyuncertainties and policies
coming out and all sorts ofchanges. Daniel was the the
refuge, the one that I soughtguidance with. And I called him.
It might have been the day orjust a couple of hours after I
had a massive paradigm shift asto what was playing out in the
world externally.
And he was just without secondthought, I'm like, I'm just
(07:10):
going to call Daniel, and thatwas a 2 hour conversation. And
he gave so much peace andconsolence as to what was
happening. And I was justastounded that someone knew the
depth of what was playing outand what was happening and could
relate it to work and could giveme just guidance and assurity.
(07:33):
And then the conversations kepton going from there. We would
message each other.
We hadn't met in person at thisstage, but he would stay up till
4 AM in the morning, and wewould be messaging each other
about things that were happeningin the world. And when, you
know, we lost employment and welost friends, and this person
was saying this person, I wouldvery comfortably go to him. That
(07:55):
is not something that I have theability to do, which is to seek
help or seek refuge in anotherperson. I've only known how to
shoulder things by myself andpresent the strong front. And
with Daniel, it was just so easyfrom the outset to even try and
express externally what washappening at the time and the
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generosity of of wisdom.
It wasn't just information. Itwasn't just facts. It was wisdom
that I've never heard of beforethat was just being presented
and so generously. And I'm like,who is this person, and what's
happening?
Leisa (08:31):
So did you not know what he looked like? Neither of you
knew what each other lookedlike, or did you because of
social media or no?
Eleanor (08:37):
No. That that's that's for you to answer.
Daniel (08:40):
I knew what she looked like. She's got a website and
and everything. She's big onsocial media. I was, I was I was
available, like, when we verylike, at the very start. But
before we actually startedhaving real conversations, she I
don't think
Eleanor (08:54):
You didn't have social media?
Daniel (08:55):
But our email didn't also have our picture.
Leisa (08:57):
No. I
Daniel (08:57):
didn't know what it looked like.
Leisa (09:00):
So when you had, like, these conversations at 4 in the
morning, you still didn't knowthat?
Daniel (09:04):
You still didn't know? Did. You didn't.
Eleanor (09:07):
No. He Daniel had no social media, and I didn't know
why at the time.
Daniel (09:11):
So, like, okay. This is you
Eleanor (09:12):
know, this guy just has no social media presence
whatsoever. He had one profilepicture on Telegram, and he had
a hat and sunglasses. So it wasit was a wild guess from my end.
Leisa (09:24):
So you're like, okay. He's at least in the age range
or he's at least not Yeah.
Eleanor (09:29):
You can get that part out just because of the, you
know, like, the work situationand, like, he could have been 4
like, he could have been 50,could have been 40. I had no
idea, but it was throughconversation that, like, maybe a
reference was when I was 30 afew years ago, and then you're
like, okay. He's 30 somethingnow. But we didn't share any
(09:51):
personal details at firsteither. It could have been
anyone.
Leisa (09:56):
Oh, that's so fun. So then things became best
friendly.
Eleanor (10:06):
It was around probably 8 16 to 18 months that a lot of
our connection was still forgedon the external world and what
was happening because we hadexperienced, like, the loss of
employment and friends. Andthings were very turbulent and
destabilized for us in theexternal realm. So a lot of the
conversation was still aboutthat. We shared very little of
(10:28):
ourselves personally, which hadnothing to do with one another,
but that's how disassociated andemotionally shut down we were as
individuals and the fear ofletting someone in to see our
darkness, to see the parts ofourselves that we did not like
and did not wanna give light to.And for me, it was late 2022
(10:50):
that I started sharing more ofmy internal reality.
And then that was quite similarto how Daniel's live life
template. Like, same same, butdifferent. But the themes were
so strong and were so similar,and we both found ourselves in
our early thirties in a verysimilar situation, and that's
(11:10):
what started giving each otherthe license and permission to
start sharing. Because otherthan ourselves, we don't have a
model or template for healthyconscious relating. And starting
to share something, I wouldshare something which I would be
embarrassed about and the shoewould never drop.
The boomerang would never comeback. It would never be
(11:31):
weaponized against me. And thenthat would start giving license
to start sharing a little bitmore and a little bit more.
Leisa (11:40):
Beautiful.
Tamara (11:41):
So I wanna hear about the first time you all met in
person. And I guess, Daniel, doyou wanna start us out with
that?
Daniel (11:49):
Yeah. So, eventually, the lockdown ceased, and we
decided just to catch up and gofor a walk, because a lot of
places were still closed. Thereweren't many places we could sit
down or be without, you know,wearing a mask or or anything
like that. It's so we just wentto the park and just went for a
(12:10):
walk together, and it was it wasjust wonderful. It was just an
extension of everything we haddone before.
Even how we sort of approached,how we related to each other, as
Alonore mentioned, it was it wasa lot more, like, externally
focused and stuff to begin with.Neither of us were were looking
for anything. We just wantedcomfort. We just wanted
(12:33):
validation. We just wanted somesort of peace within ourselves
and assurance that we weren'tgoing insane through through
this period and just to catchup.
It it just it was magic in thesense that it just all felt
right. It just there was no I'veyou know, I don't meet a lot of
(12:55):
people, actually, but, you know,there there's something that's
off about them or there'ssomething that you're just like,
why would they say that? Orthere's just none of it. It was
just it just all flowed. That'sall I could really summarize it.
It was just wonderful.
Leisa (13:10):
So well, Eleanor, how about you when when you guys met
in person in person?
Eleanor (13:17):
That ability to have all defenses down. I've only
ever known how to present as I'ma strong independent woman. It's
like, no. I'm not under thesurface. But with Daniel, I
could lay down all defenses, andI did not have to try to be
anything.
Now, of course, at the time, Ididn't have the language to
frame this, but that's what itwas. There was no power
(13:40):
dynamics. There was nothing toprove. There was no need to try
and play a character or pretendthat I know something that I
have no knowledge about becausehe didn't place the worth on the
external things as well. Andthat was also such a reprieve
from needing to pretend to besomething that I wasn't at the
(14:03):
time.
But, again, I didn't know thatat the time. So there was a
lightness of being with Daniel,and it was unlike any friendship
even that I've had at the timebecause the invitation was
there. The safety was there, andthat's not a currency that you
think you need in relationshipsto have safety, but you do.
Leisa (14:26):
Definitely. Definitely. So then after meeting so by
then, you're already kinda bestfriends. Yes? Yes?
And then
Daniel (14:35):
very good friends by the way.
Leisa (14:36):
Good friends.
Daniel (14:36):
We were best. You still had we still had to build it up.
Leisa (14:39):
Okay. And then how long until you went past best
friendship to another level ofromantic partners?
Daniel (14:49):
So that didn't actually occur until a past life
regression that we had onholiday together this year.
Leisa (14:56):
Oh my gosh.
Eleanor (14:57):
This is
Leisa (14:57):
a new relationship, romantic relationship.
Daniel (15:01):
So we were just friend and it was just building
stronger and the energies werejust building, building,
building, And there was just somuch comfort, but there were
still walls up against, like,romance and love, in that sense.
And I remember, you know,Eleanor had a a lady on a
podcast and, you know, shedecided, well, she does past
(15:23):
life regressions. Let's go on aholiday. And I'm like, you know
what? I've been out for a while.
Let's do it. And we decided togo and, basically, when I had my
regression, all of my walls camedown. And I'm like, oh, now I
see what was the what wasbuilding the entire time, and I
wasn't even aware of it becauseI'd already resigned that I
(15:44):
didn't want a relationship inthis life. It wasn't about
Eleanor. It was I didn't wantrelationships.
It's just easy to be single,don't have to deal with it. And
when I had the regression, I sawso far past those belief systems
that I couldn't not do anythinganymore. Something had to be
said.
Leisa (16:05):
I have a question. So so a just to give some context. So
my dad's life work was past liferegression. So I grew up with
with all kinds of opportunitiesto explore that. So what was the
so this is kind of a specificquestion.
What was the particular purposeof that experience? Like, did
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they say go back into a pastlife or did they say go look
into the future? Or, like, whatwas the direction of that of
that experience?
Eleanor (16:37):
Do you remember? Was quickly mentioned. Yeah. You'll
share that. But the reason wewent up there is that we have
been on the the healing journeyor the path to self reclamation
over the last year.
And I felt that I was at animpasse And, like, I need
answers. You know, the problemsthat we're facing, it's not that
he didn't want a relationship.I've never had a relationship.
(16:58):
And this is coming into yourthirties. It's like, why isn't
this the case?
But then as Daniel did, I waslike, because I had excavated so
much, I dredged up so much of myown shadow. I'm like, there is
no way someone's going to comeinto my life and even accept all
of this or look at this. So eventhe reason that I started the
healing was also the reason thatI'm like, this ain't happening.
(17:19):
This ain't happening for years.I have to clean myself up
completely.
So the the context as to why wedid a regression was like, we
need answers and I you know? Andjust needing to get out. So
yeah. Go on.
Leisa (17:35):
So is it more along the lines of, like, I wanna fix or
heal whatever's going on in thislife from the past? Was that
generally the the okay.
Daniel (17:43):
Got it.
Leisa (17:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel (17:44):
We had challenges and needing answers. I know the
thing is that sometimes if youhave bigger problems in life
that keep playing out or thingsthat aren't moving when they
should you know, Eleanormentioned, you know, thirties
and no relationship. It's likethat's there's something deeper
going on there. Yeah. Andusually the conscious mind just
cannot figure it out.
(18:05):
The conscious mind typically isthe one who set up the walls to
begin with. Absolutely. Andsometimes there is past life
stuff that come into it as well.So I'd actually had a previous
one last year, which I thinksparked the interest as well to
look into it again. I very muchstruggled for it because I
couldn't get my conscious mindout of the way, but I was able
to practice this time around andand be really prepared.
(18:26):
So I was able to go much deeper,and that's when I'm just like, I
see what's happening here, and Isee what was happening over
years that I could not see and Icould not really tap into the
feeling enough. Becauseotherwise, I've things might
have been different. But as theregressionist said, it was
(18:46):
divine timing, and we think it'snothing less than that.
Leisa (18:50):
Absolutely. Yeah. You were, like, brought in right at
that intersection together. Wow.So what do you I get usually,
what we'll ask best friends iswhat do you love about each
other?
Like, what are three things thatyou love or appreciate about the
other person? So, Eleanor, doyou wanna share 3 things that
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you appreciate and love aboutDaniel?
Eleanor (19:15):
The things that came to mind was his divinity. The
experience of someone who is toobig to be this small is just it
it's life essence. And that maysound, you know, fluffy, but you
roll everything up. It's theability to experience the divine
without and then so within. Anddo you have someone that is so
(19:36):
safe that really wants you to beall of who you are?
You know, there's there's somuch freedom in our
relationship, like, so much loveand so much freedom. That's the
foundation of it all. And thatis the thing which I personally
crave the most in relationshipsis freedom. And then, of course,
the the love is a grandexpression of that. So it is the
(19:59):
divinity.
It is the freedom and just howdivine and powerful he is as an
individual, and that wassomething that I was how he
spoke and what he knew and andhow he knew. I'm like, it never
made sense to me as to howsomeone who knows as much as he
does about their cold and theiresoteric and consciousness
exploration is where he is, andhe saw the same within me. So it
(20:22):
is those qualities. It is trulythe divinity within.
Leisa (20:26):
Wow. And, Daniel, what do you love and appreciate about
Eleanor?
Daniel (20:32):
First of all, it was just her presence. There is to
start off, there is nothing sheneeds to do to influence me.
Just being there is having anenormous effect, and I don't
know how that's happening fullyyet. All I know is it's there.
The presence definitely is justan enormous one.
(20:55):
She's a very pretty face
Leisa (20:57):
too. I can't deny it.
Daniel (20:58):
Like, something to look at just that that's the icing on
the cake as well. And Oh, that'sbeautiful. And it's just the
fact that, as she says, she sheneeds and craves freedom, and I
also need my own version of thatas well. We're into astrology as
well, and we both have Uranus,which is freedom of expression
(21:21):
in the 7th house ofrelationships. And so we both
align there just to be able togo right.
We need to have our own space.We need to be able to do our own
things and that respect for eachother. I think respect really is
the theme there to allowourselves to still be free to be
who we are without suffocatingor smothering the other as well.
That's a big part of what I wasagainst with relationships as
(21:44):
well. Not only the the the toxicside of it and stuff, but,
really, it's just when theybecome too, too enmeshed or too,
too close, in a sense that theindividuality is lost.
Mhmm. So as long as therelationship is built on that,
you can go as deep as you likeas long as you still have some
sense of individuality.
Leisa (22:06):
Yeah. Well, Tamara is our expert astrologist.
Tamara (22:11):
Well, I, yes, I have thoughts on it and ideas and
some knowledge. But, yeah, Iwanted kinda back to the past
life thing. Just I had aquestion. When you did the
regression, so it was a pastlife you both had together,
Would you can you go like, whenwas there a time? Is it back in
(22:32):
history?
What time in history? What wereyou you know, how do you were
you guys was it together a pastlife?
Daniel (22:40):
So no. It was done on separate days, and I'll give you
a very quick overview.Essentially, when we went to
Queensland, we went to a market,and there was a a tarot reader.
And we decided to get it, see ifwe'd had any past lives
together. And he did a reading,and he had one where we were
lovers.
And, essentially, we diedtragically and not of old age.
(23:03):
Together. Together.
Eleanor (23:04):
At the same time.
Tamara (23:06):
Yeah.
Daniel (23:07):
So that left us thinking. And that night, I
actually took up a tarot deck aswell, and we we did a reading,
and we we got some answers aswell. The the outcome, we did a
Celtic cross, and the outcome ofthat was the 3 of swords
reversed. The fear of losingeach other.
Eleanor (23:23):
That was for this lifetime.
Daniel (23:24):
That's in this lifetime because we were not sure, like,
well, what does it mean, and andwhere do we stand now? And so I
had the the regression first thethe day after we arrived and the
day after the market and thattarot reading that we did. And
it was that night that Irealized I have to say
something. I can't I can't lieto her. You know?
(23:46):
I have to say something. And wewere just talking, and then it
just sort of went in thatdirection very quickly, and it
all came out so quickly. Withinhours, I'd already mentioned the
l word, and I couldn't help it.I was sitting there shocked to
the what I was saying becausethe higher self was still
present after the regression. Itlingers for a few days.
(24:09):
And so I said I said it, and I'mjust like, what did I just say?
And then Eleanor in the sessionthen just
Leisa (24:17):
Eleanor, yeah, was your how were you feeling when he was
sharing that? Were you on thesame page at that point?
Eleanor (24:25):
Absolutely. But a big part of my work like, my healing
journey has been coming back tothe body. And you start paying
attention as to how come I wannabe close to this person when
we're in a crystal shop, andthis person just offers so much
peace within. And, yeah, we weresitting there, and I don't
remember the conversation or thelead up other than him asking,
(24:47):
so do you think we should trysomething between us? And then
there was a micropause, and thatwas all systems getting into
alignment, and it was theeasiest yes that I have ever
said in my life and which didn'tmake sense because we're so
conditioned that things need tobe hard and you have to fight
for them.
And it's going to be a struggle,and it's all sorts of things.
(25:11):
But when you start somethingbased on truth and harmony and
and love, then it is meant to beeasy. It can be easy rather than
it's it's meant to. And we dopast life hypnosis on each
other. Do you wanna share whatthe heart said?
So we asked the yeah?
Daniel (25:32):
You said.
Eleanor (25:33):
Okay. So in we asked the higher self questions when
we put ourselves under hypnosis.So as a curiosity question, we
asked if our hearts knew if wewere the people for each other
when we first met and Danielcouldn't even get the question
out and the response from thehigher selves was, of course.
And our hearts had to work veryhard to get us to that point of
(25:55):
being able to to come togetherin in our union. So it was this
single handedly easiest and bestdecision that I ever made.
Leisa (26:06):
Wow. What a beautiful story. Oh my gosh. I love you
guys so much, and I just metyou.
Eleanor (26:13):
Thank you. It's wonderful to share and relive
this. And, you know, we camefrom again, we we didn't come
from a background whererelationships were easy. We
don't know what it was like.Even friendships for me were
difficult.
And that whole arena was justone massive struggle town, and
we got the gift of each otherbecause we honored the path and
(26:37):
the work, and we also held out.You know, we didn't accept half
baked models, and we see a lotof people just settling or
compromising and just that's theheart's held out because the
heart's new.
Daniel (26:50):
Can I just add on that as well? It was with the
regression that Eleanor did onme, a few weeks back when the
higher self mentioned that youare a gift to each other and the
overwhelm. I don't feel intenseemotions that I can't control
myself, but in that moment,there was a groundswell and then
a flood, and I could not holdmyself stable in that moment.
(27:12):
And to have that reaffirmed in alater regression, I remember
saying, we love, like, we lovehearing that every single time.
And then the higher self said,we're happy to tell you every
single time.
Leisa (27:24):
Wow. Wow. That's so beautiful. And now if I'm
correct, you're helping otherpeople with their own love. Is
that true?
Am I correct in that?
Eleanor (27:36):
Love is a part of it, but we did start our business,
Truth of You. And this ismassive because I had an attempt
at business and it failed for somany different reasons, and it
had to. And a big lesson for meis I can't do this alone, and I
don't also want to do thisalone. And for me, I wanted an
(27:57):
everything person. I didn't likethe idea of compartmentalizing.
Like, you know, he would go outand do a 9 to 5, and I would
just do this, and we would leavelead separate lives. Like, he
can be individual, but lives canbe completely combined, and
that's what I wanted. I wantedthe everything, everything
person, and that meant business.And not many people have that
(28:18):
appetite or that interest oreven a a joint mission. Like,
you as you both in your ownrespective spaces, like, there's
so many things that need toalign in business alone for it
to work, let alone make thatyour whole life.
So we recently launched ourbusiness, truth of you, and we
position ourselves as heavy dutyconsciousness workers and and
(28:42):
guides because like us, theproblem seemed so simple on the
outset. But we needed to gohigher and higher and both
deeper and deeper in ourperspectives in order to extract
ourselves, reclaim ourselves,understand ourselves, and to be
able to then offer that forother people whether those
problems are in family orwhatever arena that falls into.
(29:05):
But what we also found throughexposure to different
practitioners is that it wasn'tintegrated enough. It wasn't
holistic enough. There wasalways a piece missing.
So given that, you know, we'vehad mystical experiences and and
gone back in time and throughtime and so many different
experiences to seek tounderstand how is it that we
(29:28):
haven't been the center of ourreality, and how do we get back
in as the center of our ownreality and taking more of that
spiritual paradigm and thatspiritual lens. You can speak to
them.
Daniel (29:40):
And can I just add on that as well that what we're
really trying to build thebusiness to become is one that
is more integral in its approachwith spiritual things? It's not
one model or another, onelanguage or one style. It's
trying to bring all of themtogether to help the individual
realize that they exist and theylive and they can change their
(30:01):
reality beyond any model, beyondany language. They're just
tools. You know, no one shames acarpenter for using a drill over
a screwdriver.
No. It's a it's the same thing.The right tool for the right job
is a is a phrase that I'vestarted using because I realized
that, you know, simple and andeasier challenges require easier
(30:23):
solutions, but the really toughones, especially like on our own
journey because we had so manywalls up and and so many
barriers. As I said, I reallystruggle with my first past life
simply because I could notrelax. And it's the the
environment was great.
I don't see why I couldn't, butthat was a problem with me that
I've come to learn as to why andand, you know, how we can teach
(30:46):
others really or figure out whythey're not to begin with to
then begin to know how to helpthem.
Leisa (30:53):
What what's the is the website the the truth of you or
truth of you? Tell me thewebsite.
Eleanor (30:59):
Truthofyou.com.au.
Leisa (31:02):
Okay. Truthofyou.com.au because you're in Australia if
nobody knows this. Yes. Yes.
Tamara (31:13):
Yeah. You I I'm so happy we got to interview you tonight
even though I think for youguys, you're a day ahead of us.
But it's a super, blue fullmoon, a sturgeon moon, and, an
Aquarius. So it seems veryfitting that we interviewed you,
had you on tonight. So thank youso much.
(31:35):
That's lovely. And wow. I it'sfunny. I that's been coming up a
lot for me lately as far aswanting, you know, to have a
partner. I'm trying to take overa winery and run that as a
business.
And I just you know, in mythoughts for a number of years,
I'm like, oh, any everyone wantsto run a winery and do this.
(31:56):
Like, I want a partner too tohelp me with that. Maybe not
necessarily romantically. Iwould love that as well, but
beggars can't be choosers, Iguess, and or whatever. And,
but, it would so I totally canrelate to just, like, wanting a
partner and the passionate thingthat you want to do in life.
So that's great that you've beenable to find that.
Leisa (32:18):
Yeah. We're just gonna ask if Daniel had a maybe an
older brother for Tamara. Hewants to run a winery in
Montana.
Tamara (32:24):
He wants to live in America. Yeah. I don't know.
Eleanor (32:29):
We never thought that we'd be those people. Like, we
went to an event on, onSaturday, and we were the people
that we were like, I want whatyou have or, like, what you guys
have, and they were feeding offour energy and just I never
thought we would be that personor us. You know, people asking
us for relationship advice. It'slike, I never would have thought
(32:51):
reality. Like, even just havingthis conversation in this
context.
You know? I also lost my voicebecause of many not physically,
but energetically. I lost theability to speak and just being
able to sit here and have thisconversation of this nature with
you both with Daniel. It's it isI it is beyond this was beyond
my wildest dreams.
Leisa (33:11):
Oh, wow. That's so cool.
Eleanor (33:14):
And he's the only brother in the family. So
Leisa (33:17):
Wow. Well, that's okay.
Eleanor (33:19):
He's got 2 sisters. I was trying to
Leisa (33:21):
say. Energetically, there's another person who's,
you know, has these qualities,who's ready for Tamara just to
Yes. In a different in adifferent body.
Daniel (33:30):
The universe knows. The heart knows. You just have to
know how to connect connect withthem.
Tamara (33:36):
The university needs to pick up its momentum here. So,
anyways but, yeah, I agree. I Iknow it. I'm still trusting of
it, but, man. Oh, man.
So it's okay. But so our kind ofusually, we wrap up, our podcast
by asking you both most of thetime our guests are in different
(33:56):
places. But since you aretogether, what are you 2 gonna
do for fun when you when wefinish this podcast? What are
you gonna go do?
Eleanor (34:05):
We have another podcast after this, but Daniel is a
phenomenal cook. I am soblessed. Carb wise, all all the
I he's a phenomenal cook. It isan expression of our love. Well,
his love for me.
I eat. I do the eating.
Daniel (34:23):
And I do the cooking. Yes.
Leisa (34:24):
Nice.
Eleanor (34:25):
But it's it's something that is so nourishing, and we
also forget that, you know, howyou know, food isn't meant to
be. Just throw it down and andbe unconscious about the eating,
and it's a way for us to alsojust connect. And and and it's
another form of expression, andwe take so I take so much joy in
that for sure. So Daniel will becooking, and I will be eating.
Leisa (34:48):
That is so beautiful. Well, thank you, Eleanor and
Daniel, for being on our show,sharing your story. I am sure
that it will inspire lots ofbesties out there listening. And
as we always say, you never knowwhen you are going to meet your
next best friend. It might bebecause something's in the what
was it?
The air zone or the
Daniel (35:10):
The air space.
Leisa (35:11):
The air space, illegally. That could be your ticket to
everlasting love. You neverknow. Yeah. Bye, everybody.
Eleanor (35:20):
Thank you so much.
Leisa (35:21):
Have a good rest.
Tamara (35:22):
Thank you.
Leisa (35:25):
Hey, bestie. Thanks for listening. If you like this
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Tamara (35:36):
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Leisa (35:42):
Yes. And if you have a fun story about how you met your
BFF, send us an email at info athow I met my bff.com. We would
love to hear about it.
Tamara (35:51):
Definitely. And, hey, maybe we'll have you on our next
episode.
Leisa (35:55):
That would be awesome. Until next time.
Tamara (35:58):
Love you, BFFs.
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