July 22, 2025 • 24 mins
A Goat Farmer
Ever wonder what it’s really like to run a goat farm? In this episode, Victoria Balentine—owner of Shady Farms in upstate New York— shares her career insights in goat farming and tips for making money in agrotourism.' She gives us a behind-the-barn look at her job and her career switch, from city acupuncturist to hands-in-the-dirt farmer, and the sweet (and sometimes stinky) reality of small-scale farming.
She spills career insights on making money through agrotourism—think goat yoga and farm tours—and talks about what it really takes to keep a modern farm thriving.
If you're flirting with a career change, dreaming of a simpler life, or just curious about farming-life beyond Instagram, this episode is for you. Packed with practical tips, honest moments, and a lot of goat energy—this one's a treat.
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victoria (00:03):
I was a yoga teacher forever and then I fell in love
with goats and I had goats.
And a friend of mine said, haveyou ever heard of goat yoga?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she was like you shouldcheck the videos out.
So I go online, I look at thevideos and I was like, oh, it's
my destiny, I love teaching yogaand I love goats.
And so that was just like, oh,my God, it's meant to be.
mirav (00:29):
Hi, welcome back to how Much Can I Make.
I'm your host, mirav Ozeri, andyes, that was the sound of
goats you just heard, becausetoday's episode takes us to a
goat farm in upstate New York.
We're back with VictoriaBallantyne.
If you caught last week'sepisode, you'll remember
Victoria shared her journey as asuccessful acupuncturist in
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Manhattan.
This week we're talking abouther next chapter, her leap into
farming.
After selling her practice of20 years, victoria moved to
Woodstock, new York, and startedShady Farms.
That was five years ago.
She literally built a whole newcareer from the ground up.
So let's find out what it'sreally like running a small farm
(01:11):
, and can you really make moneydoing it?
All, right, victoria.
So now you have a farm.
Now I have a farm, a small farmthat I think is growing.
I actually know your farm.
victoria (01:24):
Yeah, farm, a small farm that I think is growing.
I actually know your farm.
Yeah, uh, we started out withuh.
We were going to start withthree goats and I came home with
five goats and my husband froma couple of farms nearby and my
husband was like wait, I thoughtwe were getting three goats.
And I said, well, we got five.
It's goat math, you can googleit, it's's a thing.
Anyway, we started with fiveand now we have 34.
mirav (01:46):
Oh my god.
victoria (01:48):
Yeah.
mirav (01:48):
But wait a minute, let's back up.
Sure, what made you get goats?
What made you?
Did you dream always of havinga farm?
No, not at all.
victoria (01:56):
I always thought I was going to retire in a sailboat,
truly and for the longest time Iwas watching oceans die in
front of me.
So coral reefs that I've knownand loved since my early
twenties, and the Bahamas andthe places that I love to go
Like, there was this one reefthat used to be the size of a
city block, like an Avenue, likea full Avenue Avenue, just
massive, beautiful reef.
(02:16):
And I visited it 20 years laterand it was the size of a card
table.
mirav (02:22):
I know it was awful.
victoria (02:23):
Truly no, no, no, really.
I just very few times I caneven tell this story without
crying.
And what was on that tinylittle smidgen that was left
alive?
There were so many fish like.
It was so abundant and fecund,it was amazing.
But it was just this sort ofthree by three thing left and
everything else was justbleached and gone.
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And I always and theenvironment is so much in the
forefront of my thinking all thetime and I kept saying what can
I literally do?
What can I literally do?
And my husband and I got ahouse in West Shokan and our
neighbors on either side werehomesteaders and they were doing
something called regenerativeagriculture and they were trying
to be not just carbon neutralbut carbon negative.
(03:06):
Right, so you sequester morecarbon than you consume.
And it's like a light went off.
I was like, oh, I can literallydo that.
I can eat seasonally and growmy own food and be hyper local
and barter and do all thesethings.
And so I, I that's, yeah,that's how it happened.
mirav (03:24):
And you brought the idea to your husband.
What did he say?
victoria (03:26):
Well, he's never been particularly interested in
sailing anyway.
It's always something on my own, so he wasn't exactly
heartbroken about that part.
But no, he really loves theethos of it.
He really loves the idea aswell.
You know to to be carbonnegative is a pretty amazing
thing and you know we all feelenvironmental catastrophe
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happening around us, Like we'reall aware of it, and to feel
like I can do one tiny littlething on this tiny little
postage stamp of land that Ihave feels really meaningful,
especially with all the thingsthat are going around.
Like, at the end of the day, Ifeel like I'm being kind to the
planet and I think that that's anice way to live.
mirav (04:05):
So you started with five goats, grew to 43.
Tell me about the early days ofthe farm.
victoria (04:10):
We got thrown forward because of the pandemic.
So our timeline for this placewas not to start really
full-time farming until mystepson graduated high school.
But the pandemic kind of threweverything into fast forward.
I mean, you know, I stoppeddoing acupuncture in, I was
working for the person that Ihad sold the business to and the
next thing I knew I was livingup here full time with my
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stepdaughter and my husband andso we just said, Look, we're
here, we're not going back intoManhattan, let's just start it.
So we started.
It was.
You know, it was a prettystressful, weird time to start a
farm.
mirav (04:41):
And what was your dream at the time?
To have to be justself-sustained.
victoria (04:46):
To try to grow as much of our own food as possible,
same with protein, right.
So as much, source as much ofour own protein from the
property as possible.
That's where goats come intoplay, because you were talking
about homesteading.
As long you know, if you're nota vegan, you immediately start
saying, okay, so where's thedairy going to come from?
So what are you going to have?
Are you going to have sheep?
Are you going to have a cow?
Are you going to have goats?
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And a cow is way too much milkfor one family.
So then you have to deal withdoing cow shares and you know
who's going to milk it, whotakes care of it.
They're large animals.
So I started working at allthese other farms Once I had the
idea of wanting to farm.
I worked at a chicken farm, ameat bird farm, I worked at an
egg laying farm, I worked at agoat dairy farm, I worked at a
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hog operation pig farm and Itried to learn everything that I
could before I started.
And goats just really, reallylanded.
I just fell madly in love withthem.
They're amazing.
They're just best things ever.
mirav (05:40):
So tell me what you have on your farm today.
victoria (05:42):
We have 34 chickens, 34 goats, three livestock
guardian dogs, a bigmarket-sized garden.
We have an orchard with apple,peach, pear, pawpaw, hazelnut,
elderberry I'm sure I'mforgetting a bunch of stuff and
we're going to do we're actuallydoing meat birds finally at the
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end of the summer.
So we're going to get 25 littlebaby chicks in the mail, which
is how you get chickens, whichis hilarious.
They come in the mail, it'sadorable.
And then we'll raise them forabout 10 weeks and we'll process
them and we'll have 25 meatbirds for the freezer for the
winter.
mirav (06:14):
But this is what I want to know.
You know chicken world.
It's the fastest paid purchasein America.
Yeah, everyone's gone crazy forchicken.
What does it take to growchicken from beginning to end,
if you can tell me?
victoria (06:25):
You get them in a little box that's peeping.
You take them out of the box andyou do what I call the beak dip
, which you dip their nose intheir water source so that they
know where it is.
You check their little butt forsomething called pasty butt,
because they get kind ofdehydrated in the mail so you
want to make sure that theydon't have anything on their
little back feathers and if theydo, you dip their little butt
in warm water and then you putthem in what's called a brooder,
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which is essentially a heatlamp hanging from a ceiling in a
kiddie pool.
And first you start out withtowels so it doesn't hurt their
legs on pine shavings, but theneventually they graduate to pine
shavings.
You feed them chick starter andthen chick grit, and then they
grow and there's all sorts ofthings about keeping the
temperature correct in regard tothe heat lamp and they can get
cold.
So then they huddle under theheat lamp.
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So then you lift, you know allthat kind of stuff, and then
after about six weeks, if it'stemperate out, you can start
letting them outdoors and thatway they can be free range and
run around.
You have to have protection forthat?
mirav (07:19):
That's what I wanted to ask you about because my friend
who lives also in the countryhad a net and had a chicken coop
and a mountain lion came andate it.
victoria (07:29):
There's something called electric poultry netting,
which they definitely didn'thave.
They probably had all sorts offencing.
But the thing about an electricpoultry netting is it's
electrified and you can make itvery, very, very hot and you can
make it very, very, very hot.
So any predator, whether it's abobcat or a bear or a dog or a
coyote or a fisher, they come upand they touch that with their
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nose and they jump 10 feet inthe air and run away.
So that's what we use and we'vehad no losses here.
We've had no predators actuallytake and get away with the
chicken.
mirav (08:01):
Okay, so now you get a lot of eggs and you get a lot of
milk from the goats.
Yeah, what do you do with allof that?
victoria (08:07):
Well, we sell.
So once these new chickens getin full, full laying, they're
going to give us probably twodozen eggs a day.
So we sell to friends andfamily.
We are a farm.
We're recognized by New YorkState as a farm, which is a
whole other process.
We need to make sure this placeisn't a money pit, so we try to
make back what we spend on thefarm.
(08:27):
The eggs are incredibly unique.
I mean the birds are truly freerange.
They have a massive hill to runaround in their house.
We call it the chicken summerpalace.
I mean it's absolutelybeautiful.
So we sell the eggs.
We sometimes we don't reallysell the vegetables so much as
we trade.
So, like we do trades, we did atrade with a local artist where
we give her eggs and cheese andvegetables all summer and at
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the end of the summer she givesus a piece.
mirav (08:53):
Wow.
victoria (08:53):
Yeah, it's really cool .
I mean things that we couldnever afford to buy.
It's amazing.
It was like, ah.
So I mean, and she loves it,she loves the idea of barter and
she loves the idea of you know,getting all this fresh, free
range, wonderful, organic food,and we love having her art in
our house.
It's fantastic.
mirav (09:09):
It's an investment too.
Yes absolutely what surprisedyou the most about having a farm
?
victoria (09:20):
Wow, I don't even know where to start.
So many things I mean, you knowit's, so you know it first.
It's so much less so now, butat first it was so stressful and
maybe it's my temperament, butI just take so seriously keeping
everybody safe.
For instance, if the poultrynetting went down, I would be in
a complete panic just thinkingthat at any second, you know, a
pack of coyotes was going to goover there and get my chickens,
and of course that wasn't trueat all.
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I now know that they learn thepoultry netting, so if they'll
stay away from it for a goodlong while, like, they're not
going to come test it again andagain and again.
So if the fence goes down, Idon't have to freak out.
You know what I mean.
Like I'll get to it when I getto it.
And like you know the animalhusbandry oh, the births, yeah,
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so much more of so.
Like, just you know whenanimals get sick and you're the
one who has to give them theinjection and you know, a lot of
the times you're your own vetand you know, as you've seen,
the births are so intense.
Oh, and you have to be there forlots of reasons.
And so you know, there's a fewweek period in the spring where
I just don't sleep because Iknow that there's a goat due and
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I have to be there when shegives birth.
And then this year was the moststressful year for goat births.
Why that?
We've ever had Almost everygoat had a major problem that I
had to go in and intervene.
Yeah, it was really intense, itwas really a lot.
So I was elbow deep and in agoat frequently the best that
was.
I had to get knee surgerybecause I slipped and fell on
the ice and I scheduled thesurgery between births and my
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surgeon was kind enough to helpme do that.
He was so flexible and blesshis heart.
So I know, you know I'm I'mhaving the surgery on Monday and
the last goat in the firstgroup is due on Saturday.
So I'm like, okay, it'll befine.
So of course, saturday comesand goes and she doesn't give
birth.
And then Sunday comes and goesand she doesn't give birth and I
have to leave for the surgeryat 10 AM.
At like eight in the morning myhusband and I are looking at
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each other like what are wegoing to do Like she, just my
goat's just looking at me like,yeah, I'm good.
And finally I said, well, she'soverdue, I think I need to go
in and just feel and see what'sgoing on.
And my husband said, listen,don't go in just because you're
under time pressure.
And I said, well, I am undertime pressure, but I also think
that there's a problem and Ishould go in.
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And I went in and, sure enough,there was a breach presentation
and so I had to turn it and getit.
And then, you know, everythinghappens.
And I got all the babieslatched on and their umbilical
cords cut and everything's goodand everybody's dried off and
healthy and everything's fine.
I ran back to the house at nine52 and washed my arms and then
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went down to get surgery.
The whole way down I was like Ican't even believe that just
happened.
I can't.
I had eight minutes.
I had eight minutes Like it wasjust amazing.
Wow, so that's you know.
So just so many surprises.
Every day, every day, there'ssomething new that surprises you
.
You were like I didn't knowthat was on the menu.
You know, I didn't know thatwas going to happen.
mirav (12:15):
I know that you do something very unique, which is
goat yoga, and it's incrediblysuccessful.
Tell me about this a little bit.
victoria (12:21):
Well, the fun part of the story, and less pragmatic,
is I was a yoga teacher foreverand then I fell in love with
goats and I had goats or wasgetting goats.
And a friend of mine said, haveyou ever heard of goat yoga?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she was like you shouldcheck the videos out.
So I go online, I look at thevideos and I was like it's my
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destiny, cause I love teachingyoga and I love goats.
And so that was just like, ohmy God, it's meant to be so
that's Woodstock goat yoga.
But the more pragmatic thing isone of the things that I really
wanted to talk about and thatpeople talk about a lot is how
do you help small farms make aliving?
mirav (12:57):
Yes, it's so important.
victoria (12:59):
So I mean, if you think about it, you know you can
buy a whole cooked chicken atCostco or wherever for like
eight bucks.
mirav (13:07):
Yeah, exactly, I mean it's just it's insane.
victoria (13:09):
So how on earth is a farmer supposed to make a profit
when they're actually sellingtheir chicken for, say, $4 a
bird?
And that's also a life, that'sa creature for $4.
Like it just.
You know it's such anyway.
And so we end up with thesemassive operations, right when
you're raising 10,000 chickensbecause at the end of the day,
you're only going to make adollar a chicken.
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So the only way to make aliving is to have these huge
operations.
mirav (13:32):
I know, but I know a lot of people that are aware of the
fact of how they grow thismassive operation of chickens,
and they don't want to eat it.
victoria (13:38):
No, no, exactly.
The humans suffer, the chickenssuffer.
It's terrible for everybody,the environment suffers, right,
it's way too much poop in this,you know, in the same place, and
all that kind of stuff.
So how do you help a small farmturn a profit?
So there's a lot of answers tothat.
One is pastured poultry andfinding a market, and we can
talk about it if you want.
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But the other is ag tourism, soagricultural tourism.
So people are so interested infarming and they're so
interested in where their foodcomes from and they're so
interested in animals that youknow you can create something on
your property where people willcome and pay a certain amount
of money to have an interactionwith your chickens or with your
goats or with your garden andall that kind of stuff.
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And each mat for goat yoga is$45.
So if you think about theprofit margin of $45 per mat and
I have, you know, 20 people inthe class versus ten dollars for
a dozen eggs- right or you know, two dollars for a tomato.
So ag tourism is a really greatway of sharing what you know, of
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getting people excited abouttheir food and about what's
organic and all that kind ofstuff, but also helping the farm
have a small income.
And so our ag tourism is goatyoga and it's so much fun
there's people just absolutelylove it.
It's really sweet.
mirav (14:55):
I know you always booked when when you do that, that's
fantastic.
victoria (15:03):
And do you also do tours of the farm?
We do.
We do After the goat yoga.
We have a cheese tasting andfarm tour.
Uh, so people can come andlearn about organic,
regenerative gardening.
They can tour the farm, theycan meet the giant dogs, they
can meet the mom goats, they cansee the dairy.
It's whatever they want to do.
I'm easy.
You know, sometimes we spend alot of time with the chickens it
just depends on what they'reinterested in and then we finish
it up in the garden with aglass of New York State rosé,
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which is actually a really greatvineyard.
They're called Fjord.
They're wonderful and theirrosé is fantastic.
And then the different cheesesthat I make, so we'll have like
chev and feta and brie and allthat kind of stuff, and so, yeah
, it's really, really fun.
mirav (15:39):
And do you think it brings them closer to the
environment?
victoria (15:42):
Absolutely.
People everybody, most peoplereally want to know what they
can literally do about climatechange, and one of the things
you can literally do is tosource your food as locally as
possible farmer's market and eatseasonally, which you will do
by default if you're going tothe farmer's market.
And so they're very excited tolearn all about this stuff, and
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frequently they get inspired andthey're like, oh, maybe I could
do that.
You know what I mean, why?
mirav (16:09):
don't you sell your stuff in the farmer's market, all the
garden stuff?
victoria (16:14):
Um, because we're still primarily a homestead and
we're mostly just doing this forourselves and family and
friends, and that's a lot oftime to spend off the farm.
For me right To go and spendsix hours in a parking lot to
sell some broccoli, right?
I mean that goes back to forour business model, that goes
back to ag tourism, right?
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So the goat yoga or the farmtour is going to be a much
better use of my time thanselling broccoli.
Cornell Extension actuallyasked me to be a part of a panel
discussion that a lot of smallfarmers attended where we talked
about so how do you monetizeyour farm in a way that isn't
just selling broccoli and that'sthe ag tourism.
So we do it through Woodstock,goat Yoga and Farm Tours, and
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other farms are figuring outwhat they can do.
You can get eggs but you get topull them out from under the
chicken and it just costs extra.
Or you can go pet their llamasor you can go goat walking.
I know a woman who's about anhour west of here.
It just takes people out in herfields with their goats and
they just walk around.
People love it, but that's anamazing extra income.
I think she charges $40.
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She gets 10, 20 people Saturdayand Sunday and that's an
incredible extra income for herfarm.
Are you considering doing it?
It's super fun.
But no, I, I mean we're.
I mean the goat yoga and thefarm tours are plenty for us.
I mean that's great, I don'tneed to, I don't want to add
anything else, we're good.
So we have a scheduled time forgoat yoga and then we have a
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scheduled time for the farm tour, which happens to be after goat
yoga, and we usually sell outweeks, if not months, in advance
, and that is the only AGtourism that we do.
And I think it's an importantpoint because the downside of
that is the only ag tourism thatwe do.
And I think it's an importantpoint because the downside of
that is we have people thatdrive up to our farm all the
time, who want to look aroundand pet the goats and do all
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that kind of stuff, and weabsolutely can't have that.
You cannot have people thatdon't understand animals walking
around your farm unsupervisedbecause they don't know what
they're doing.
So they can leave, leave gatesopen that are supposed to be
closed.
They can feed animals the wrongthing they can.
You know, we have three largelivestock guardian dogs.
You know, if nothing else, youcan get knocked over by a
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livestock guardian dog becauseyou're in somewhere you
shouldn't be, and then you'vehurt yourself, I mean.
So we have to be very carefulto only have ag tourism and only
have people here when they arevery closely supervised by us
and that they're on a veryspecific schedule.
mirav (18:35):
Did you have to get permits for that from New York
state?
victoria (18:38):
No, the nice thing about being recognized as a farm
in New York state is they giveyou leeway to find income
streams.
So, generally speaking, withsome exceptions, you can have ag
tourism, farm tours, goat yoga,even a small farm stand, and
you're not going to beinterfered with by the town or
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permits or all that kind ofstuff to a certain extent.
You do get some wiggle room asa farm Because, generally
speaking, new York State isincredibly supportive to farms.
mirav (19:07):
How do you deal with all the natural disaster and pests
and critters in your garden andstorms?
victoria (19:14):
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant about.
I didn't know that was going tobe on the menu for today.
Like it happens all the time,like what surprises you about
the farm?
Every day surprises me.
So I remember one time therewas this substantial rainstorm
but you know, we get substantialrainstorms fairly frequently
and this one was pretty bad.
But there was something I waslike and I go out and one of our
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streams had essentially sort ofjumped the bank, whoa, and was
coming towards the barn andbecause of the way that the
leaves had fallen and kind ofgotten stuffed into the bottom
of the welded wire fence, it wascreating this weird channel
where all of this water wassuddenly shooting towards the
barn and we're on a bit of alike a precipice over there and
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it started collapsing in frontof me and I was like, oh my God,
I come running back to thehouse and I'm like Jerry, I
think we've got a problem.
And because I said it in thatway, jerry was like oh my God.
So we go tearing back out thereand now we're in this
torrential downpour, movingphysically, trying to put rocks
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in boulders to try to block thestream, while digging out all
those leaves that were causingthis, like channel, so stuff
like that.
You're just, you know, in inevery, every year there a new
pest.
Last year it was like theplague of chipmunks, this year,
literally a groundhog got intothe garden last night.
I'm still trying to figure outhow he took out every single one
of my lettuces and every singleone of my kales.
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They're all just gone, you know,and it's like you know, a few
years in, I don't let it upsetme anymore, I'm just like, oh
all right, well, I got to dealwith that.
So what is your day-to-day?
mirav (20:52):
like in the farm.
victoria (20:53):
Well, this morning I get up at 6 and I meditate, and
then I go out to the barn andstart milking at 7.
mirav (20:59):
How many?
victoria (20:59):
goats do you have to milk each day?
Right now it's 7.
mirav (21:02):
Okay.
victoria (21:03):
And when I went out to the barn, the first thing I did
was I put a bunch of milk onthe stove to start a yogurt,
because it'll warm it up to 185degrees while I'm milking all
the goats.
The timing is kind of perfect.
So then I go in, I feedeverybody and then I start
milking the goats, and thattakes about six minutes per goat
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.
And then I came in with thatmilk and I took the beginning of
the yogurt and I cooled it downand I added culture and then
that's out there cooking rightnow.
That'll be done later today.
And then I started anothercheese by adding culture and
rennet and stuff, and that'll besomething else.
I have to do with it in 24hours and it'll be done in about
six weeks.
It's called a valence.
It's actually an ash rolledcheese.
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It's so beautiful.
And then I changed everybody'swater and I gave them hay and
then I put all my little goatswe call them the bottle gang.
I put all the bottle gang outon the hill so they can free
range.
I took care of the chickens, Igot the eggs, then I worked in
the garden and then I came in tospeak to you.
mirav (22:01):
Wow, yeah, well and what do you do in the winter?
victoria (22:03):
you don't have so much work in the winter right, I get
to relax, so but the goats arestill in the barn so in the
morning I still have to go feedand make sure that everybody's
okay, and usually in the middleof the day I just check on them
and then I tuck them into bed atnight.
But yeah, this is full throttlehere essentially from May well,
march to October, and then it'stotal downtime November,
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december, january, february.
mirav (22:25):
And do you have any kind of help during the busy season?
victoria (22:29):
I didn't used to, but my husband has gotten kind of a
promotion at work for lack ofbetter words, and so he's going
to be really needing to focus onthat.
So I have actually been workingwith a wonderful young woman
who's been helping me out a lot.
She's fantastic.
She learned to milk.
She's doing great.
She's absolutely wonderful andso yeah.
mirav (22:52):
So I do have kind of part-time help now, which I did
the first time I really had that.
Okay, if your farm had a song,what song would that be?
victoria (22:57):
oh, something good, hmm oh, I know I milk the goats
every morning to yoga music andthere's one song I think it's
called uh, it's mc yogi.
I think it's called peace Out,and there's something about it
that I'm always trying to be inthe moment when I'm milking them
, because it's just so beautifuland pastoral, and I find my
mind wandering of like who am Igoing to breed this fall?
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And blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, what am I going to do?
And then I always try to justkeep coming back to that moment
of the beauty of just milkingthis animal and our relationship
and animal and our relationship, and that song always just
reminds me.
mirav (23:37):
Oh right, right, right, Just be in the present moment,
Just enjoy this while you haveit, while it lasts.
You never know when it's goingto change.
Do you have plans of growingyour farm or living it?
We are too big.
victoria (23:43):
We.
Originally we really thoughtthat we would do meat birds.
We thought we'd have a lambingoperation.
We really thought we might evendo you know three or four pigs.
But I've come to realize thatwe're primarily a goat farm.
I get great joy out of makingcheese, so I don't want to try
to do all those other things, soI'd rather buy lamb from a
local farm and buy you know porkfrom a local farm and stick to
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the goats, the chickens.
This year we're getting meatbirds, which I'm very excited
about, but we're really hittingcritical masses to like what we
can do.
mirav (24:14):
So All right, so just before we go, if people wanna
come and tour your farm, wheredo they find you?
victoria (24:20):
We are Woodstock Goat Yoga, so we're locatable on
Instagram, tiktok,woodstockgoatyogacom and
woodstockgoatyoga at gmailcom.
So we're easy you just GoogleWoodstock Goat Yoga and you'll
see everything you need to see.
mirav (24:34):
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Sure, that's fantastic.
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You.
I was a yoga teacher forever and then I fell in love
with goats and I had goats.
And a friend of mine said, haveyou ever heard of goat yoga?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she was like you shouldcheck the videos out.
So I go online, I look at thevideos and I was like, oh, it's
my destiny, I love teaching yogaand I love goats.
And so that was just like, oh,my God, it's meant to be.
mirav (00:29):
Hi, welcome back to how Much Can I Make.
I'm your host, mirav Ozeri, andyes, that was the sound of
goats you just heard, becausetoday's episode takes us to a
goat farm in upstate New York.
We're back with VictoriaBallantyne.
If you caught last week'sepisode, you'll remember
Victoria shared her journey as asuccessful acupuncturist in
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Manhattan.
This week we're talking abouther next chapter, her leap into
farming.
After selling her practice of20 years, victoria moved to
Woodstock, new York, and startedShady Farms.
That was five years ago.
She literally built a whole newcareer from the ground up.
So let's find out what it'sreally like running a small farm
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, and can you really make moneydoing it?
All, right, victoria.
So now you have a farm.
Now I have a farm, a small farmthat I think is growing.
I actually know your farm.
victoria (01:24):
Yeah, farm, a small farm that I think is growing.
I actually know your farm.
Yeah, uh, we started out withuh.
We were going to start withthree goats and I came home with
five goats and my husband froma couple of farms nearby and my
husband was like wait, I thoughtwe were getting three goats.
And I said, well, we got five.
It's goat math, you can googleit, it's's a thing.
Anyway, we started with fiveand now we have 34.
mirav (01:46):
Oh my god.
victoria (01:48):
Yeah.
mirav (01:48):
But wait a minute, let's back up.
Sure, what made you get goats?
What made you?
Did you dream always of havinga farm?
No, not at all.
victoria (01:56):
I always thought I was going to retire in a sailboat,
truly and for the longest time Iwas watching oceans die in
front of me.
So coral reefs that I've knownand loved since my early
twenties, and the Bahamas andthe places that I love to go
Like, there was this one reefthat used to be the size of a
city block, like an Avenue, likea full Avenue Avenue, just
massive, beautiful reef.
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And I visited it 20 years laterand it was the size of a card
table.
mirav (02:22):
I know it was awful.
victoria (02:23):
Truly no, no, no, really.
I just very few times I caneven tell this story without
crying.
And what was on that tinylittle smidgen that was left
alive?
There were so many fish like.
It was so abundant and fecund,it was amazing.
But it was just this sort ofthree by three thing left and
everything else was justbleached and gone.
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And I always and theenvironment is so much in the
forefront of my thinking all thetime and I kept saying what can
I literally do?
What can I literally do?
And my husband and I got ahouse in West Shokan and our
neighbors on either side werehomesteaders and they were doing
something called regenerativeagriculture and they were trying
to be not just carbon neutralbut carbon negative.
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Right, so you sequester morecarbon than you consume.
And it's like a light went off.
I was like, oh, I can literallydo that.
I can eat seasonally and growmy own food and be hyper local
and barter and do all thesethings.
And so I, I that's, yeah,that's how it happened.
mirav (03:24):
And you brought the idea to your husband.
What did he say?
victoria (03:26):
Well, he's never been particularly interested in
sailing anyway.
It's always something on my own, so he wasn't exactly
heartbroken about that part.
But no, he really loves theethos of it.
He really loves the idea aswell.
You know to to be carbonnegative is a pretty amazing
thing and you know we all feelenvironmental catastrophe
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happening around us, Like we'reall aware of it, and to feel
like I can do one tiny littlething on this tiny little
postage stamp of land that Ihave feels really meaningful,
especially with all the thingsthat are going around.
Like, at the end of the day, Ifeel like I'm being kind to the
planet and I think that that's anice way to live.
mirav (04:05):
So you started with five goats, grew to 43.
Tell me about the early days ofthe farm.
victoria (04:10):
We got thrown forward because of the pandemic.
So our timeline for this placewas not to start really
full-time farming until mystepson graduated high school.
But the pandemic kind of threweverything into fast forward.
I mean, you know, I stoppeddoing acupuncture in, I was
working for the person that Ihad sold the business to and the
next thing I knew I was livingup here full time with my
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stepdaughter and my husband andso we just said, Look, we're
here, we're not going back intoManhattan, let's just start it.
So we started.
It was.
You know, it was a prettystressful, weird time to start a
farm.
mirav (04:41):
And what was your dream at the time?
To have to be justself-sustained.
victoria (04:46):
To try to grow as much of our own food as possible,
same with protein, right.
So as much, source as much ofour own protein from the
property as possible.
That's where goats come intoplay, because you were talking
about homesteading.
As long you know, if you're nota vegan, you immediately start
saying, okay, so where's thedairy going to come from?
So what are you going to have?
Are you going to have sheep?
Are you going to have a cow?
Are you going to have goats?
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And a cow is way too much milkfor one family.
So then you have to deal withdoing cow shares and you know
who's going to milk it, whotakes care of it.
They're large animals.
So I started working at allthese other farms Once I had the
idea of wanting to farm.
I worked at a chicken farm, ameat bird farm, I worked at an
egg laying farm, I worked at agoat dairy farm, I worked at a
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hog operation pig farm and Itried to learn everything that I
could before I started.
And goats just really, reallylanded.
I just fell madly in love withthem.
They're amazing.
They're just best things ever.
mirav (05:40):
So tell me what you have on your farm today.
victoria (05:42):
We have 34 chickens, 34 goats, three livestock
guardian dogs, a bigmarket-sized garden.
We have an orchard with apple,peach, pear, pawpaw, hazelnut,
elderberry I'm sure I'mforgetting a bunch of stuff and
we're going to do we're actuallydoing meat birds finally at the
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end of the summer.
So we're going to get 25 littlebaby chicks in the mail, which
is how you get chickens, whichis hilarious.
They come in the mail, it'sadorable.
And then we'll raise them forabout 10 weeks and we'll process
them and we'll have 25 meatbirds for the freezer for the
winter.
mirav (06:14):
But this is what I want to know.
You know chicken world.
It's the fastest paid purchasein America.
Yeah, everyone's gone crazy forchicken.
What does it take to growchicken from beginning to end,
if you can tell me?
victoria (06:25):
You get them in a little box that's peeping.
You take them out of the box andyou do what I call the beak dip
, which you dip their nose intheir water source so that they
know where it is.
You check their little butt forsomething called pasty butt,
because they get kind ofdehydrated in the mail so you
want to make sure that theydon't have anything on their
little back feathers and if theydo, you dip their little butt
in warm water and then you putthem in what's called a brooder,
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which is essentially a heatlamp hanging from a ceiling in a
kiddie pool.
And first you start out withtowels so it doesn't hurt their
legs on pine shavings, but theneventually they graduate to pine
shavings.
You feed them chick starter andthen chick grit, and then they
grow and there's all sorts ofthings about keeping the
temperature correct in regard tothe heat lamp and they can get
cold.
So then they huddle under theheat lamp.
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So then you lift, you know allthat kind of stuff, and then
after about six weeks, if it'stemperate out, you can start
letting them outdoors and thatway they can be free range and
run around.
You have to have protection forthat?
mirav (07:19):
That's what I wanted to ask you about because my friend
who lives also in the countryhad a net and had a chicken coop
and a mountain lion came andate it.
victoria (07:29):
There's something called electric poultry netting,
which they definitely didn'thave.
They probably had all sorts offencing.
But the thing about an electricpoultry netting is it's
electrified and you can make itvery, very, very hot and you can
make it very, very, very hot.
So any predator, whether it's abobcat or a bear or a dog or a
coyote or a fisher, they come upand they touch that with their
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nose and they jump 10 feet inthe air and run away.
So that's what we use and we'vehad no losses here.
We've had no predators actuallytake and get away with the
chicken.
mirav (08:01):
Okay, so now you get a lot of eggs and you get a lot of
milk from the goats.
Yeah, what do you do with allof that?
victoria (08:07):
Well, we sell.
So once these new chickens getin full, full laying, they're
going to give us probably twodozen eggs a day.
So we sell to friends andfamily.
We are a farm.
We're recognized by New YorkState as a farm, which is a
whole other process.
We need to make sure this placeisn't a money pit, so we try to
make back what we spend on thefarm.
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The eggs are incredibly unique.
I mean the birds are truly freerange.
They have a massive hill to runaround in their house.
We call it the chicken summerpalace.
I mean it's absolutelybeautiful.
So we sell the eggs.
We sometimes we don't reallysell the vegetables so much as
we trade.
So, like we do trades, we did atrade with a local artist where
we give her eggs and cheese andvegetables all summer and at
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the end of the summer she givesus a piece.
mirav (08:53):
Wow.
victoria (08:53):
Yeah, it's really cool .
I mean things that we couldnever afford to buy.
It's amazing.
It was like, ah.
So I mean, and she loves it,she loves the idea of barter and
she loves the idea of you know,getting all this fresh, free
range, wonderful, organic food,and we love having her art in
our house.
It's fantastic.
mirav (09:09):
It's an investment too.
Yes absolutely what surprisedyou the most about having a farm
?
victoria (09:20):
Wow, I don't even know where to start.
So many things I mean, you knowit's, so you know it first.
It's so much less so now, butat first it was so stressful and
maybe it's my temperament, butI just take so seriously keeping
everybody safe.
For instance, if the poultrynetting went down, I would be in
a complete panic just thinkingthat at any second, you know, a
pack of coyotes was going to goover there and get my chickens,
and of course that wasn't trueat all.
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I now know that they learn thepoultry netting, so if they'll
stay away from it for a goodlong while, like, they're not
going to come test it again andagain and again.
So if the fence goes down, Idon't have to freak out.
You know what I mean.
Like I'll get to it when I getto it.
And like you know the animalhusbandry oh, the births, yeah,
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so much more of so.
Like, just you know whenanimals get sick and you're the
one who has to give them theinjection and you know, a lot of
the times you're your own vetand you know, as you've seen,
the births are so intense.
Oh, and you have to be there forlots of reasons.
And so you know, there's a fewweek period in the spring where
I just don't sleep because Iknow that there's a goat due and
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I have to be there when shegives birth.
And then this year was the moststressful year for goat births.
Why that?
We've ever had Almost everygoat had a major problem that I
had to go in and intervene.
Yeah, it was really intense, itwas really a lot.
So I was elbow deep and in agoat frequently the best that
was.
I had to get knee surgerybecause I slipped and fell on
the ice and I scheduled thesurgery between births and my
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surgeon was kind enough to helpme do that.
He was so flexible and blesshis heart.
So I know, you know I'm I'mhaving the surgery on Monday and
the last goat in the firstgroup is due on Saturday.
So I'm like, okay, it'll befine.
So of course, saturday comesand goes and she doesn't give
birth.
And then Sunday comes and goesand she doesn't give birth and I
have to leave for the surgeryat 10 AM.
At like eight in the morning myhusband and I are looking at
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each other like what are wegoing to do Like she, just my
goat's just looking at me like,yeah, I'm good.
And finally I said, well, she'soverdue, I think I need to go
in and just feel and see what'sgoing on.
And my husband said, listen,don't go in just because you're
under time pressure.
And I said, well, I am undertime pressure, but I also think
that there's a problem and Ishould go in.
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And I went in and, sure enough,there was a breach presentation
and so I had to turn it and getit.
And then, you know, everythinghappens.
And I got all the babieslatched on and their umbilical
cords cut and everything's goodand everybody's dried off and
healthy and everything's fine.
I ran back to the house at nine52 and washed my arms and then
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went down to get surgery.
The whole way down I was like Ican't even believe that just
happened.
I can't.
I had eight minutes.
I had eight minutes Like it wasjust amazing.
Wow, so that's you know.
So just so many surprises.
Every day, every day, there'ssomething new that surprises you
.
You were like I didn't knowthat was on the menu.
You know, I didn't know thatwas going to happen.
mirav (12:15):
I know that you do something very unique, which is
goat yoga, and it's incrediblysuccessful.
Tell me about this a little bit.
victoria (12:21):
Well, the fun part of the story, and less pragmatic,
is I was a yoga teacher foreverand then I fell in love with
goats and I had goats or wasgetting goats.
And a friend of mine said, haveyou ever heard of goat yoga?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she was like you shouldcheck the videos out.
So I go online, I look at thevideos and I was like it's my
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destiny, cause I love teachingyoga and I love goats.
And so that was just like, ohmy God, it's meant to be so
that's Woodstock goat yoga.
But the more pragmatic thing isone of the things that I really
wanted to talk about and thatpeople talk about a lot is how
do you help small farms make aliving?
mirav (12:57):
Yes, it's so important.
victoria (12:59):
So I mean, if you think about it, you know you can
buy a whole cooked chicken atCostco or wherever for like
eight bucks.
mirav (13:07):
Yeah, exactly, I mean it's just it's insane.
victoria (13:09):
So how on earth is a farmer supposed to make a profit
when they're actually sellingtheir chicken for, say, $4 a
bird?
And that's also a life, that'sa creature for $4.
Like it just.
You know it's such anyway.
And so we end up with thesemassive operations, right when
you're raising 10,000 chickensbecause at the end of the day,
you're only going to make adollar a chicken.
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So the only way to make aliving is to have these huge
operations.
mirav (13:32):
I know, but I know a lot of people that are aware of the
fact of how they grow thismassive operation of chickens,
and they don't want to eat it.
victoria (13:38):
No, no, exactly.
The humans suffer, the chickenssuffer.
It's terrible for everybody,the environment suffers, right,
it's way too much poop in this,you know, in the same place, and
all that kind of stuff.
So how do you help a small farmturn a profit?
So there's a lot of answers tothat.
One is pastured poultry andfinding a market, and we can
talk about it if you want.
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But the other is ag tourism, soagricultural tourism.
So people are so interested infarming and they're so
interested in where their foodcomes from and they're so
interested in animals that youknow you can create something on
your property where people willcome and pay a certain amount
of money to have an interactionwith your chickens or with your
goats or with your garden andall that kind of stuff.
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And each mat for goat yoga is$45.
So if you think about theprofit margin of $45 per mat and
I have, you know, 20 people inthe class versus ten dollars for
a dozen eggs- right or you know, two dollars for a tomato.
So ag tourism is a really greatway of sharing what you know, of
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getting people excited abouttheir food and about what's
organic and all that kind ofstuff, but also helping the farm
have a small income.
And so our ag tourism is goatyoga and it's so much fun
there's people just absolutelylove it.
It's really sweet.
mirav (14:55):
I know you always booked when when you do that, that's
fantastic.
victoria (15:03):
And do you also do tours of the farm?
We do.
We do After the goat yoga.
We have a cheese tasting andfarm tour.
Uh, so people can come andlearn about organic,
regenerative gardening.
They can tour the farm, theycan meet the giant dogs, they
can meet the mom goats, they cansee the dairy.
It's whatever they want to do.
I'm easy.
You know, sometimes we spend alot of time with the chickens it
just depends on what they'reinterested in and then we finish
it up in the garden with aglass of New York State rosé,
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which is actually a really greatvineyard.
They're called Fjord.
They're wonderful and theirrosé is fantastic.
And then the different cheesesthat I make, so we'll have like
chev and feta and brie and allthat kind of stuff, and so, yeah
, it's really, really fun.
mirav (15:39):
And do you think it brings them closer to the
environment?
victoria (15:42):
Absolutely.
People everybody, most peoplereally want to know what they
can literally do about climatechange, and one of the things
you can literally do is tosource your food as locally as
possible farmer's market and eatseasonally, which you will do
by default if you're going tothe farmer's market.
And so they're very excited tolearn all about this stuff, and
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frequently they get inspired andthey're like, oh, maybe I could
do that.
You know what I mean, why?
mirav (16:09):
don't you sell your stuff in the farmer's market, all the
garden stuff?
victoria (16:14):
Um, because we're still primarily a homestead and
we're mostly just doing this forourselves and family and
friends, and that's a lot oftime to spend off the farm.
For me right To go and spendsix hours in a parking lot to
sell some broccoli, right?
I mean that goes back to forour business model, that goes
back to ag tourism, right?
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So the goat yoga or the farmtour is going to be a much
better use of my time thanselling broccoli.
Cornell Extension actuallyasked me to be a part of a panel
discussion that a lot of smallfarmers attended where we talked
about so how do you monetizeyour farm in a way that isn't
just selling broccoli and that'sthe ag tourism.
So we do it through Woodstock,goat Yoga and Farm Tours, and
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other farms are figuring outwhat they can do.
You can get eggs but you get topull them out from under the
chicken and it just costs extra.
Or you can go pet their llamasor you can go goat walking.
I know a woman who's about anhour west of here.
It just takes people out in herfields with their goats and
they just walk around.
People love it, but that's anamazing extra income.
I think she charges $40.
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She gets 10, 20 people Saturdayand Sunday and that's an
incredible extra income for herfarm.
Are you considering doing it?
It's super fun.
But no, I, I mean we're.
I mean the goat yoga and thefarm tours are plenty for us.
I mean that's great, I don'tneed to, I don't want to add
anything else, we're good.
So we have a scheduled time forgoat yoga and then we have a
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scheduled time for the farm tour, which happens to be after goat
yoga, and we usually sell outweeks, if not months, in advance
, and that is the only AGtourism that we do.
And I think it's an importantpoint because the downside of
that is the only ag tourism thatwe do.
And I think it's an importantpoint because the downside of
that is we have people thatdrive up to our farm all the
time, who want to look aroundand pet the goats and do all
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that kind of stuff, and weabsolutely can't have that.
You cannot have people thatdon't understand animals walking
around your farm unsupervisedbecause they don't know what
they're doing.
So they can leave, leave gatesopen that are supposed to be
closed.
They can feed animals the wrongthing they can.
You know, we have three largelivestock guardian dogs.
You know, if nothing else, youcan get knocked over by a
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livestock guardian dog becauseyou're in somewhere you
shouldn't be, and then you'vehurt yourself, I mean.
So we have to be very carefulto only have ag tourism and only
have people here when they arevery closely supervised by us
and that they're on a veryspecific schedule.
mirav (18:35):
Did you have to get permits for that from New York
state?
victoria (18:38):
No, the nice thing about being recognized as a farm
in New York state is they giveyou leeway to find income
streams.
So, generally speaking, withsome exceptions, you can have ag
tourism, farm tours, goat yoga,even a small farm stand, and
you're not going to beinterfered with by the town or
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permits or all that kind ofstuff to a certain extent.
You do get some wiggle room asa farm Because, generally
speaking, new York State isincredibly supportive to farms.
mirav (19:07):
How do you deal with all the natural disaster and pests
and critters in your garden andstorms?
victoria (19:14):
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant about.
I didn't know that was going tobe on the menu for today.
Like it happens all the time,like what surprises you about
the farm?
Every day surprises me.
So I remember one time therewas this substantial rainstorm
but you know, we get substantialrainstorms fairly frequently
and this one was pretty bad.
But there was something I waslike and I go out and one of our
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streams had essentially sort ofjumped the bank, whoa, and was
coming towards the barn andbecause of the way that the
leaves had fallen and kind ofgotten stuffed into the bottom
of the welded wire fence, it wascreating this weird channel
where all of this water wassuddenly shooting towards the
barn and we're on a bit of alike a precipice over there and
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it started collapsing in frontof me and I was like, oh my God,
I come running back to thehouse and I'm like Jerry, I
think we've got a problem.
And because I said it in thatway, jerry was like oh my God.
So we go tearing back out thereand now we're in this
torrential downpour, movingphysically, trying to put rocks
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in boulders to try to block thestream, while digging out all
those leaves that were causingthis, like channel, so stuff
like that.
You're just, you know, in inevery, every year there a new
pest.
Last year it was like theplague of chipmunks, this year,
literally a groundhog got intothe garden last night.
I'm still trying to figure outhow he took out every single one
of my lettuces and every singleone of my kales.
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They're all just gone, you know,and it's like you know, a few
years in, I don't let it upsetme anymore, I'm just like, oh
all right, well, I got to dealwith that.
So what is your day-to-day?
mirav (20:52):
like in the farm.
victoria (20:53):
Well, this morning I get up at 6 and I meditate, and
then I go out to the barn andstart milking at 7.
mirav (20:59):
How many?
victoria (20:59):
goats do you have to milk each day?
Right now it's 7.
mirav (21:02):
Okay.
victoria (21:03):
And when I went out to the barn, the first thing I did
was I put a bunch of milk onthe stove to start a yogurt,
because it'll warm it up to 185degrees while I'm milking all
the goats.
The timing is kind of perfect.
So then I go in, I feedeverybody and then I start
milking the goats, and thattakes about six minutes per goat
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.
And then I came in with thatmilk and I took the beginning of
the yogurt and I cooled it downand I added culture and then
that's out there cooking rightnow.
That'll be done later today.
And then I started anothercheese by adding culture and
rennet and stuff, and that'll besomething else.
I have to do with it in 24hours and it'll be done in about
six weeks.
It's called a valence.
It's actually an ash rolledcheese.
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It's so beautiful.
And then I changed everybody'swater and I gave them hay and
then I put all my little goatswe call them the bottle gang.
I put all the bottle gang outon the hill so they can free
range.
I took care of the chickens, Igot the eggs, then I worked in
the garden and then I came in tospeak to you.
mirav (22:01):
Wow, yeah, well and what do you do in the winter?
victoria (22:03):
you don't have so much work in the winter right, I get
to relax, so but the goats arestill in the barn so in the
morning I still have to go feedand make sure that everybody's
okay, and usually in the middleof the day I just check on them
and then I tuck them into bed atnight.
But yeah, this is full throttlehere essentially from May well,
march to October, and then it'stotal downtime November,
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december, january, february.
mirav (22:25):
And do you have any kind of help during the busy season?
victoria (22:29):
I didn't used to, but my husband has gotten kind of a
promotion at work for lack ofbetter words, and so he's going
to be really needing to focus onthat.
So I have actually been workingwith a wonderful young woman
who's been helping me out a lot.
She's fantastic.
She learned to milk.
She's doing great.
She's absolutely wonderful andso yeah.
mirav (22:52):
So I do have kind of part-time help now, which I did
the first time I really had that.
Okay, if your farm had a song,what song would that be?
victoria (22:57):
oh, something good, hmm oh, I know I milk the goats
every morning to yoga music andthere's one song I think it's
called uh, it's mc yogi.
I think it's called peace Out,and there's something about it
that I'm always trying to be inthe moment when I'm milking them
, because it's just so beautifuland pastoral, and I find my
mind wandering of like who am Igoing to breed this fall?
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And blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, what am I going to do?
And then I always try to justkeep coming back to that moment
of the beauty of just milkingthis animal and our relationship
and animal and our relationship, and that song always just
reminds me.
mirav (23:37):
Oh right, right, right, Just be in the present moment,
Just enjoy this while you haveit, while it lasts.
You never know when it's goingto change.
Do you have plans of growingyour farm or living it?
We are too big.
victoria (23:43):
We.
Originally we really thoughtthat we would do meat birds.
We thought we'd have a lambingoperation.
We really thought we might evendo you know three or four pigs.
But I've come to realize thatwe're primarily a goat farm.
I get great joy out of makingcheese, so I don't want to try
to do all those other things, soI'd rather buy lamb from a
local farm and buy you know porkfrom a local farm and stick to
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the goats, the chickens.
This year we're getting meatbirds, which I'm very excited
about, but we're really hittingcritical masses to like what we
can do.
mirav (24:14):
So All right, so just before we go, if people wanna
come and tour your farm, wheredo they find you?
victoria (24:20):
We are Woodstock Goat Yoga, so we're locatable on
Instagram, tiktok,woodstockgoatyogacom and
woodstockgoatyoga at gmailcom.
So we're easy you just GoogleWoodstock Goat Yoga and you'll
see everything you need to see.
mirav (24:34):
All right, thanks a million.
Sure, that's fantastic.
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