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July 15, 2025 37 mins

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Ever stare at a blank page, willing your ADHD brain to just create already, only to end up deep-diving into crow memes instead? This episode’s for you. 

Caitlin and guest co-host Ariella Monti (author, fellow late-diagnosed ADHDer, and mom of an ADHD son) share hilarious, real-world strategies to unstick your creativity—without guilt-tripping yourself into oblivion.

Who Should Listen

  • Moms who’ve ever hyperfixated on literally anything instead of their passion project.
  • ADHDers who thrive in chaos but crash when creativity feels like a chore.
  • Anyone who needs permission to take a damn break without self-shaming.

What You Get In This Episode

  1. Workspace Hacks: Why a window + Bluetooth speaker might save your sanity (and how to ADHD-proof your creative zone).
  2. The Art of Strategic Procrastination: Why “hammock time” is scientifically valid (and how to explain it to your judgy inner critic).
  3. Flexible Structure FTW: Ariella’s “pottery journal” method for breaking big projects into dopamine-sized bites.
  4. Body Doubling Magic: How to harness the power of creative peer pressure (even if your “office” is a Discord server).
  5. Permission to Rest: Why creativity blocks aren’t failures—and how to work with your brain’s chaotic cycles.

Bios

  • Caitlin (CK): Unmedicated ADHD mom, former teacher, and professional overthinker who’s obsessed with yogurt pretzels.
  • Ariella Monti: Author of Roots and Ink, pottery enthusiast, and queen of “flexible structure” (who also bribes you with 20% off her books using promo code CKANDGK).

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Caitlin Kindred (00:00):
Yay, you're here.
I don't sing like Jenny does,well, sometimes.

Ariella Monti (00:06):
I do.
You have a really good singingvoice though.

Caitlin Kindred (00:09):
Thank you, thank you, I appreciate that.
I just don't.
It's not my thing to start theshow with a happy song.
She is that person.
I'm more of the tackle at howloudly she does it kind of
person, because I don't know howto react to it.
Either way, we're all gladyou're here.
It doesn't matter, we'll get tothe show.

(00:30):
I promise 30 seconds in.
So, uh, welcome to how to be agrown-up.
This is a how-to show for womenwho've turned weight what was I
saying?
Into a personality trait.
So yeah, we literally do thatin every the she and I really
like do this in every episodewhere one of us will be like
wait, hold on.
I had the thought, I lost thethought what were you saying?

(00:54):
disappears just disappears oryou stare off into space.
That's very much like sometimesI just start talking and I
don't know where the sentence isgonna go.
It just takes me to some placeit's an adventure, it's a
journey.
Every conversation with aperson with ADHD is an adventure
.
You just have no idea whatthey're going to talk about.
So the person thankfullycackling at the things that I

(01:16):
say, is Arielle Amante.
She is a purpley, bluish hair,dictionary of definition and
awesome, and she has two booksthat you are.
Well, she has several books.
One of them is in progress, theother one is out, roots and ink
, and it's amazing.
You have to go read it.
The covers are both gorgeous.
She also has novellas.
You can go to her website,arielamontecom, and get your

(01:40):
books from her with promo codeck and gk for 20 off.
So yes, uh, I had a joke forthose.
I'm gonna say it anyway,because if you like your books,
like you like your bread, niceand toasty, you gotta read
ariel's how many corny jokes canI make up?

Ariella Monti (02:03):
no, I know I I need to go back to all of the
show notes and write these downso that I can use them in my
social media marketing Do it.

Caitlin Kindred (02:14):
They're all here in the show notes.
I write them all down andthey're all original.
There is no chat GPT coming upwith these, by the way.

Ariella Monti (02:23):
I do the book ones?

Caitlin Kindred (02:26):
chat, gpt coming up with these.
By the way, I do the book ones.
Sometimes I get help for theLeslie Knope compliments.
But no, these are all me,because I got to think of them
on the fly yeah.
Anyway love it.
Tangents, what was I saying?
Circle back, here we go.
Last episode, this is a mess.
We discussed ADHDhd and ourcreativity superpowers.
This week, you, ariela, aregoing to give us all advice on

(02:48):
what to do when those creativejuices stop flowing and we are
annoyed or frustrated by ourcreativity or lack thereof yes,
yes.

Ariella Monti (03:00):
So, just like last week, we've got all of the
sources in the show notes thatare coming from a smattering of
different places Attitude,magazine, scientific American,
understoodorg and our own brokenbrains.

Caitlin Kindred (03:18):
I don't know why the word smattering is so
funny to me.

Ariella Monti (03:23):
And our brains aren't broken.
I shouldn't say that, but no,it's Sometimes it does.

Caitlin Kindred (03:27):
Sometimes they feel broken.
Yeah, mine's unmedicated, again, I, I don't know what it is.
There are some words that justlike trigger a happy thought in
my brain, and one of them isbooger, because that word is
just hysterical.
Another one is butthole,because One of them is booger,
because that word is justhysterical.
Another one is butthole, becausewhy is that word a thing?

(03:49):
And for some reason smatteringdid that to me and I don't know
why, because it's not one of theones I know triggers me.
But there we go, anyway.
So let's talk about this whathappens when creativity gets
difficult?

Ariella Monti (04:03):
So when creativity feels hard, I'll calm
down.

Caitlin Kindred (04:08):
I swear I'm good, I'm here.
Okay, I think I need to leavethis in, all right.
All right, go for it here we go.

Ariella Monti (04:21):
So in life with adhd, there is a time where we
trail off and for every stopthere is a goat right.

Caitlin Kindred (04:38):
It's from that's from that's from the
sword in the stone.
Where's that from?

Ariella Monti (04:42):
oh no, I don't think I saw that one.

Caitlin Kindred (04:45):
Oh, I saw it, I was really really young.
Yeah, oh yeah, it's one of theolder ones, but you got to watch
it.
It's good it's.
We watched it fairly recently.
I like that one.
Okay, yeah.

Ariella Monti (04:55):
Okay, okay.
So when creativity feels hardbecause life with ADHD is one
that for every strength there isan impairment, that can make
accessing those strengths morechallenging.
We struggle with organization,time management and task
completion.
And just because we're used toworking in a chaotic workspace,

(05:19):
like, doesn't mean ourcreativity can't be negatively
impacted by the creative work.
The chaotic workspace, justbecause we're used to staying up
until 2 am because we got soinvolved in a project, doesn't
mean it can't negatively impactus when our kids have to be at
school at 830.
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.

(05:40):
So it's really important for usto be able to access our
creativity as ADHD people.
I mean for everybody, but it'sespecially important for people
with, you know, with ADHD.
And if you think of creativitylike a type of energy that is
inside you, it doesn't disappearif you don't use it.

(06:03):
It just just grows, but not in away that doesn't serve you, um,
but in a not in a way that thathelps you, that it just right,
exactly, it grows exactly, and Ipersonally feel this a lot when
I really want to sit down andwrite, feel this a lot when I

(06:29):
really want to sit down andwrite but I can't because I have
to adult in some way or I haveto do like the business stuff of
being a self-published author,like the marketing stuff I hate
doing, or formatting stuff thatI hate doing, like eventually
I'll start to feel like anxiousand depressed because I have not
done anything creative, like Ihave not worked the creative

(06:51):
muscles.
So today we're going to talkabout some strategies to to work
those creative muscles.
I like it.
These are.
These are just suggestions.
Your mileage may vary and someof these suggestions came from

(07:32):
resources that were specificallygeared.
The creative things that bringyou joy, yeah, um, and you know,
as we learned last week aboutdivergent thinking, I am sure
that your listeners will be ableto take these recommendations
and find a way to apply them inthe random places in your life.

Caitlin Kindred (07:45):
Yay.

Ariella Monti (07:48):
So we'll start with a flexible and stimulating
workplace.
Build your workspace.

Caitlin Kindred (08:00):
Sometimes my brain reverts back to 12 year
old me, which is why I taughtmiddle school.
I'm good stimulate my life like, like I'm right, you literally
write this stuff sorry, I mean Iswear I'm fine, you guys, I can
do this, okay, tell us aboutwhat your workspace needs to be.

Ariella Monti (08:25):
So build your workspace around what you need
to access your creativity.
So if that's a window or I meanobviously you can't add a
window to a place where there isno window but you can like I
moved my desk in front of thewindow instead of like three
feet away from it, because I ammore creative when I can look

(08:48):
out the window and see birds.
Oh, there's a crow like justflying right by my window right
now.

Caitlin Kindred (08:54):
Have you seen that thing?
Sorry, this is a meme and it'stangential, but it's funny.
The person wrote like hey,you're not, you don't know how
big a crow actually is.
Like, imagine a crow in yourhand wrong, it's like four times
bigger than the picture of whatyou have in your hand.
Crows are huge.

(09:15):
Sorry, anyway, that has nothingto do with anything, but it may
be so anyway.
What else needs to be presentin your workspace?
You have.

Ariella Monti (09:23):
you need to have birds, uh, and outdoors so, and
plants, right it's maybe right,so you like, maybe you need to,
you need to move, so you have astanding desk or a walking pad.

Caitlin Kindred (09:35):
maybe it's music, so you have like a
bluetooth speaker, but maybeit's silence, so you have noise
canceling headphones or evensoundproofing or something like
make the workspace what you needin order to work, access the

(09:57):
creativity that, yeah you needand this may also be like this
is this is interesting because,as someone who in some ways, yes
, I am a creative, but in otherways, like I, have to separate
that piece of creativity likefor funsies from creativity for
worksies, right right, like whenI'm working, I either need

(10:21):
music without words or silence.
But if I am like just doingsomething for fun, I don't mind
having background noise likemusic with words or a podcast or
whatever, but it just dependson what my attention is needed
on.
If I have to listen tosomething, then I can't have
other words playing around me,but it's I.
I think that I don't wantpeople to get confused between

(10:44):
or assume that what they needfor work is the same thing as
what they need for creativityfor fun absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, definitely,because I, I like having a
window nearby, regardless ofwhat kind of creative work I'm
doing.

Ariella Monti (11:00):
Sure, like my works, my craft space downstairs
is the table is in front of awindow.
Yeah, but I also, like you said, need you know different things
.
I'm the same way If I'm writing, I cannot listen to anything
with words in it, but if I'msewing, then sure, like that's

(11:24):
fine um yeah, but both placeshave a bluetooth speaker so that
I can listen to music.

Caitlin Kindred (11:35):
Yeah, there you go so you know like you set
yourself up for success in thatway Exactly.

Ariella Monti (11:42):
Exactly, definitely.
Yeah, this is a big one.
Take breaks If you're feelingstuck with something like stop
forcing creativity to come.
Like just go take a walk, drinksome water, you know, play with
your dog, pet your cat,whatever.

(12:10):
My husband works from home now,but pre-COVID he used to work
in Research Triangle Park, whichis a you know large town-like
area in north carolina where alllike the tech firms live and um
, there are places, like onthese campuses, where they've
got hammocks and like forsoftware developers, hammock

(12:31):
time is like a sociallyacceptable thing.
Like if you can't figuresomething out with your code,
you just go lay down in ahammock and like that's okay so
think about how many ideas youget when you're not working

(12:52):
right.

Caitlin Kindred (12:52):
Like, think about, it is real that like
you'll be in the shower andyou're like, oh, I have this
great idea for X, y, z.
There's people have likewaterproof shower tablets, like
to write on because that,because that happens, or like
this is why voice memos exist.
If you're out on a walk and youget a great idea, record it
like that, that's what it's for.

(13:14):
So that's why you need thebreak.

Ariella Monti (13:16):
So just I agree with that.
I love that.
Don't force it Like I used todo that with projects that I was
working on, like I would justsit there and stare at the
screen until, like, trying tolike force the words to come,
and now I don't.
If I don't, I either move on tolike the next thing or I just

(13:38):
step away from the projectscompletely for a little bit, and
I found that that has reallyhelped minimize the creative
exhaustion, the creative blocksand like the burnout that I will
feel.

Caitlin Kindred (13:56):
Yeah, it's so frustrating when you want to
have an idea and you don't haveit, so then you just sit there.
I mean, it's kind of like whenyou're trying to fall asleep, so
you think about how you need tosleep and then you never fall
asleep.
So like just if you, you have tostop forcing that to happen.
And it's really hard in themoment a lot of the time to tell
yourself, ok, I need to take abreak because you you're like I

(14:19):
have to do this or I want to getthis done or you know whatever,
but it's so important.
I think that's a really goodcall, definitely.

Ariella Monti (14:28):
And you can also do something creative but
different.
So, like on one of our previousepisodes, we talked about like
having a creative hobby thatisn't a side hustle and it's
something that you just do forfun.
It's the same kind of idea.
So, like, if you work in thevisual arts, then do something
creative in a different medium.
So you're still kind of workingthose creative muscles, but

(14:53):
it's like with a differentexercise.
Like instead of doing heavylifting, you're doing Pilates.
You know, like you're stillworking out, but you're just
working out in a different wayBrain Pilates.
That's super, super helpful,yeah.
So the next one would be toembrace your creative cycles.

(15:16):
So it's normal for adhdcreatives to have periods of
like intense focus, that hyperfocus, interspersed with moments
of like distraction or like itlooks like distraction.
So it's kind of like we weretalking about where, like you're
you know the, the focus on thething, and then you need to like
go lay down in a hammock andstuff, like don't fight it, you

(15:42):
know be it, be, embrace as muchas you can the like intense
focus on a thing, and then,during those times where you're
not like just be, just be okaywith it, like be accepting of it
Again.

(16:02):
Don't try to force thecreativity.
It will come back, but not whenyou're trying to force it to
come back.

Caitlin Kindred (16:10):
Yeah, I actually saw this fairly
recently where it was like Ithink they called it like
chaotic discipline or somethinglike that, where this guy was
talking about how he had ADHDand he was like you may have
like three days a week where youare quote unquote lazy, right,
like you cannot do anything.
You want to get up off the couchand fold that laundry but you

(16:32):
just physically cannot do it,and then you beat yourself up
because you're guilty and blah,blah, blah, shame cycle, adhd
life.
But on those four days a week,the remaining four of those
three, you know three out ofthem you'll get, you'll get a
bunch of stuff done, and on thefourth day you're a maniac and
you get everything done.

(16:52):
So you may get more done in afull seven day period than a
neurotypical who works steadilyfive days a week and then takes
those two days to do otherthings.
So you know, it's just becausethat's how our brains work.
Those cycles come and go for usthat like lean into it when you
have it and then it's reallyhard to not feel guilty when

(17:16):
you're not in it.
But the more you accept it, themore likely you are to actually
not feel burned out andfrustrated by your own self, and
then your cycle will probablycome back pretty soon.

Ariella Monti (17:28):
So something to think about yeah absolutely.
Absolutely.
This is a pretty common one.
It's the breaking down of largeprojects.
We sort of talked about thislast week, but take a large
product, take a large projectand break it down into smaller

(17:49):
tasks.
So, like, one of our strengthsis being able to see the big
picture.
But also being able to see thebig picture can feel really
overwhelming, and that's whenyou take this big project and
make it a bunch of littleprojects that you know give you
a little dopamine cookie whenyou're done and you accomplished

(18:09):
it.
Yay, yes, new to it, and Idon't have the skills to just
like, see a thing and make it.
So I will write out all of thesteps that I have to take to

(18:30):
make this thing and I just focuson each step rather than like
wonder how I'm going to turnthis hunk of clay into something
resembling the flower pot thatI printed off of Pinterest as
inspiration.

Caitlin Kindred (18:45):
You know Very good ADHD-ing.
Yeah, that is not my style atall.

Ariella Monti (18:53):
No, I know it was something that I had to learn
with lots of failure first.
So it also helps that my friendand pottery teacher gave me a
pottery journal, so I will putlike the project that I'm
working on and then it's gotspace, you know, for notes and

(19:15):
stuff like that.
So I will put, like I'llbasically make like a little
checklist and everything, andthat has been okay helpful, like
now I'm not like forgettingrandom stuff that I would have
yeah I can't tell you how manytimes I was like, oh, I want to
put texture on this, and thenlike I've made the thing and

(19:36):
everything's smooth because Iforgot to add texture to it.

Caitlin Kindred (19:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Stuff like that I get whatyou're saying.

Ariella Monti (19:46):
Yeah, similarly brainstorm or brain dump before
you get started with a project,adhders tend to just dive into
things and this can lead to astuck point or not knowing kind
of where to go next.

(20:08):
If you're doing a little bit ofpre-planning, it can give you a
foundation so you don't get toofar off track, because you know
we do like to follow a path tonowhere.
And it provides a destinationand it's I like to call it
flexible structure, so you canyou, by the seat of your pants,
like totally just sitting downin, like in front of your

(20:44):
computer, and just like thecharacters will tell you where
to go.
And yeah, this is how I used to,yeah, this is how I used to
write, like I used to just likesit down and then just word
vomit, but then I would get to apoint where I had I would get
burned out, I would have no ideawhere the story was going.

(21:07):
I, I would just, I would justlike leave it, like it would be
half done and that was the endof it and I'd go move on to the
next thing.
And now I do a lot moreoutlining before I start
drafting and I have thatflexible structure so I can

(21:29):
still adjust the outline as Iwrite, but I am no longer
getting as burned out when I'mdrafting because I know where
I'm supposed to go and I knowthat I have the freedom to
adjust that plan.
And that has really helped notjust access the creativity,

(21:52):
because now, like I know whereI've got to, I know what's
coming next, but also keep itgoing yeah, that makes sense.

Caitlin Kindred (22:00):
I mean, mean, I'm I'm thinking about again
doing that thing where I make abunch of connections to things
and I swear they do make sensein my head.
But one of the things I tellyou when you're learning to
teach is think about what theoutcome is supposed to be.
Right, like what, what are youtrying to get the kids to learn?
Okay, great, that's your finaldestination, that's what they

(22:21):
need to know.
So now, how you get there iswithin.
You know.
That's where the creative piececomes.
As long as you make it to thatdestination.
It's all good.
So there's that.
One of the things that I'm kindof guilty of and I do this when
I'm it's a very common practicewhen I'm cooking or baking is I
will think I have supplies andI don't have all that I need.

(22:43):
So I've started planning first,where I've you know.
I take out all of the, becausethat the other thing is like I'd
be like, oh, I do have butter,but it'd be frozen, and I'd be
like man, I didn't know.
You know what I mean.
So if I take it all out aheadof time, one, I can't get lazy
and then forget to do it becauseI'll be mad at myself for
taking it all out.
But two, that's my outlineright Now.

(23:06):
I know like, oh, I do need oil,or I do need butter, or I do
need another egg or whatever itis, and I don't have to stop
mid-recipe and go get it.
But it's kind of similar inthat sense where.
So you don't miss somethingRight?

Ariella Monti (23:25):
Yeah, definitely.
And another way to and I thinkone of the ways that I find the
most the hell's the wordeffective in kind of keeping the
either creativity going or kindof getting out of being stuck,
is body doubling.
So doing creative stuff with afriend who also does the same

(23:46):
kind of creative stuff.
During the school year, when myson was in school, I pretty
regularly met up with a fewauthor friends at either a
library or a coffee shop and itwas nice to just kind of be
around other creative people.

(24:28):
Um, I doesn't have to be, youknow, in person.
My critique partners and I arein a discord server and we use a
bot in like discord to dowriting sprints.
In fact, while I was, you know,writing all of these notes and
stuff, one of my critiquepartners and I were running a
sprint, so she was doing likeadmin tasks while I was doing
this and it was like you know,she's over in chicago and we're
working together to kind of keepeach other going um, you know,
there's like this idea that artand create, creating art and
creativity is like a solitarything and it really isn't Like

(24:54):
when you're doing the thing.
It might be solitary but it's somuch better when it's
collaborative and you have, likeother creative people around
you that you can brainstorm withand you can you can bounce
ideas off of.
Like when I was a reporter, Ican't tell you how many times I

(25:17):
would get stuck on a story and Iwould get up and I would like
look for one of my you knowreporter friends and I would
like go over to their desk and Ijust start talking and then
then it would come.
Whatever I was stuck on was nolonger stuck.
Come to you, right, and I'd belike thanks and then walk away

(25:41):
like before.
They could even get like a wordout, because I figured out the
process like just by talking itright, yeah, yeah, right just
talking it out.
Yeah, exactly so.
So yeah, body doubling is myfavorite way to kind of get
unstuck when I'm in a creativeslump.

Caitlin Kindred (26:01):
I love it.
That's smart, uh, that's also.
I mean, those are pretty greattips for being an adhd person,
having to get something done ingeneral, but there is, there is
something to exercising thatcreativity muscle for lack of a
better way to put that uh, whenit comes to, I don't know, it's

(26:23):
almost I'm just trying to thinkof how to, how to say this right
way.
But it's like anything else,you practice what you want to
get better at.
Adhd years are creative, butsometimes I liked that you said
access the creativity as opposedto like be creative, cause it
makes it sound.
I think if someone's like I'mnot creative, that isn't

(26:44):
necessarily true.
It's all about how you accessit.
Yeah, and that was a reallyroundabout way of me making that
point.
Again, talk to process person,but I think that I'm a mess, you
guys.
I'm just thinking like it's thebeing blocked.

(27:05):
That is the frustrating piece,right, it's not like just forget
it, I got it.
It's important to be able toaccess your creativity because
everyone has it.
It's just a matter of how youfigure out where it's at and
what you need in order to get toit.

(27:26):
That is the most important part, right?
So, absolutely, I think that's.
I think that's what I wastrying to say.

Ariella Monti (27:32):
Yeah, and it's, it's okay to rest also and like
it's very hard to be it and it'salso let's acknowledge that
it's really hard to be creativewhile the world is on fire.
You know, know, like yeah,there's.
You know I'm spending a lot ofthe time that I want that I,
that I would like to be creative.
I am spending sending emails tomy Congress people and like

(28:00):
yelling at them.
So the world is on fire andthat makes it really hard, just
come up with new creative waysto be insulting.
You know I am coming up with newcreative ways like to do my
emails Like.
The last one was 10 ways Iwould rather spend taxpayer

(28:22):
money than a parade.
It's like clickbaity.
I like it.
Exactly, right, right, yeah,we'll see if we'll see if my son
money than there you go aparade.
It's like clickbaity.
So I like it.

Caitlin Kindred (28:28):
Exactly right, right, yeah, we'll see if we'll
see if my son just like pullyour inspiration from buzzfield,
buzzfield buzzfeed likearticles just take it take one
of their headlines, just one ofthem, and then just like rip it
off and change the numbers andthe thing that they put, like
you know pretty much, yeah, Ibet, I bet you can't, I bet you
can't get all these quiz answersright.

(28:50):
And then it's like, just likehow all their, all the crappy
tax dollars are being paid orwhatever.
You know what I mean exactly,yeah, exactly I bet you didn't
know this is what your taxdollars were going to.
Oh wait, you did know thatbecause you're the one making
that decision.
You know something like that.
Yes, okay, let's, uh, let'stake a break, we will be right

(29:12):
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Okay, we're back here and mybrain is ADHD-ing.

(30:02):
Right now.
I can feel all the thingsjumping around and making
nonsense in my head, so if Istart to sound like it, sorry.

Ariella Monti (30:10):
It's been entertaining to watch.

Caitlin Kindred (30:13):
Okay, great, I'm glad you can see it
happening.
It's really fun.
Yes, yes, definitely Do youhave a hyper fixation right now.

Ariella Monti (30:21):
I am totally hyper fixated on all the flowers
that are popping up in my yardand I have been cutting them and
putting them in my house, likejust like little cut flowers and
stuff.
Yeah, and now that I have I'vebeen planting so many I'm

(30:43):
starting to see like thevolunteers like popping up in
weird spots and that is justbringing me like so much delight
, like to find, you know, likehoneysuckle like on the other
side of the yard, or black eyedSusans like in the corner of my
deck, and that's been, that'sbeen super, that's been super

(31:05):
fun I like how this alwayshappens to me, but whoever I'm
talking to when we talk abouteither their thing they're
obsessed with or their hyperfixation, theirs are always like
somewhat meaningful andbeautiful, and mine is yogurt
pretzels.
So I mean, I'm also hyper.

(31:26):
I'm also hyper fixated on, youknow, frozen mozzarella sticks
that I basically eat everysingle day.
So does that make you feelbetter like?

Caitlin Kindred (31:34):
it kind of yeah , actually, thank you.
Yeah, I was snacking on yogurtpretzels right before we were
recording this, so they're sodelicious I am probably gonna go
make some mozzarella stickslater, yeah, yeah when I was a
kid, my mom I remember when itwas just the two of us my mom
and I would go to the grocerystore and she would put me in.

(31:56):
You know, nowadays you can likebring cheerios to entertain
your kid, right like you.
People would do things likethat, but my mom would.
We'd stop at the bulk bin, we'dget some yogurt pretzels and I
would get a couple like out ofthe bulk bag and then she would
probably go back and top it off.
But I just remember eating likeyogurt pretzels in the shopping
cart with my mom while we wereshopping Like one of the best

(32:17):
things I've ever done.

Ariella Monti (32:18):
It's very nostalgic.
My mom used to do that too.
She used to do that not withyogurt pretzels, but with grapes
, which like as when I grewgrowing up and now doing our own
, you know, but like doing ourown grocery shopping.
You're like, oh man, like youpay for that stuff per pound,
like but not if you eat a bunchof it before you go right.

(32:39):
And then she also and this, just, just this just tells you like
how italian like my, me and myfamily are.
So we would get, like she wouldbuy like the the loaves of
italian bread, and then shewould like tear off like the end
of it, like that, a chunk of it, and that is like what I would
eat, like just like gnawing on apiece of italian bread.

Caitlin Kindred (33:02):
I want to say I've done that with sourdough.
Yeah, I want to say I've donethat with sourdough.
Yeah, I want to say we've donethat too, but they were already
labeled, so it wasn't like youwere paying.
I'm pretty sure, because when Iwas a kid in San Francisco, you
could buy food and bread in abag, and then you'd just tear
off the hunk and they would justrip.
Yeah, I love bread so much.

(33:23):
Okay, did you get anything done, or no?
No, it's okay to say no, no.

Ariella Monti (33:33):
Sometimes you can't.

Caitlin Kindred (33:34):
It's all right.
It's okay, go take a break.
You need one.
You did your notes for this.

Ariella Monti (33:39):
I think that counts.
I did, oh, but you know what Idid?
I put up my so I like todecorate seasonally in my so
like I'll decorate for theseasons and then like I'll
accent with whatever holiday itis, and I took out my spring and
summer stuff like months ago,yeah, but I never put, I never

(34:05):
put it up, like I neverdecorated my mantle for for
summer and I just did that theother day, like I went and put
up all the little things and youknow it's got my flowers up
there now and now I gotta find aspot for the bin with all the
stuff I didn't put up, but yeah,yeah I finally did that and

(34:27):
like now, now, now it brings me.
You know, I've got the fairylights and all that stuff on it.

Caitlin Kindred (34:33):
And it brings me lots of joy yeah.
Yeah, that's how I feel aboutfall decorations.
Like it just makes me so happyto see the fall decorations come
out.

Ariella Monti (34:42):
Yeah, oh, yeah, I love it.

Caitlin Kindred (34:45):
I actually I think I've shared this with our
listeners, but I don't care ifpeople know like I have
Hashimoto's disease and it's alow thyroid issue and I've been
monitored.
I also have other not that'snot the right word Autoimmune
that's the word.
I also have a couple of otherautoimmune things that are

(35:06):
benign and I'm healthy and fineand everything like that, but
I'm being monitored all the time.
So I have an appointment withmy endocrinologist next week and
I had an appointment with myhematologist last week and I was
like what if the hematologistshares the results of my lab
work with the endocrinologist,so that I don't get charged for

(35:29):
doing two sets of lab work thatare happening within a week?
And I actually I asked about itwhile I was at the
hematologist's office and theywere like oh yeah, we'll do that
, just like send us a note.
Well, the whole point of measking at the hematologist's
office was so that they would doit for me and I don't have to
come back later and remember towrite the note I remembered.

(35:50):
And they did it.
They sent it over.
So I'm very proud of myselfbecause I actually remembered.
Like who even am I?
Because I remembered amazingYep.

Ariella Monti (36:00):
Amazing.

Caitlin Kindred (36:01):
Awesome, I know I love it.
I'm really proud.
Everybody clap, do it.
Are you clapping?
Yay, you're doing it.
That helps, that's all I careit.
I'm really proud.
Everybody clap, do it.
Are you clapping?
Yay, you're doing it.
That helps, that's all I careabout.
Okay, that means it's time forus to go.
So, as Jenny would say, makegood choices, make the things
and make sure you take a breakwhen you're not feeling the

(36:21):
juices flowing.
Go touch some grass For real.
Okay, love, you mean it.
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