ADHD Food Struggles: 4 Reasons We Eat Like Chaos Gremlins

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Caitlin Kindred (00:00):
actually have food in my teeth.
I feel like I have food in myteeth, oh I don't think so this
is an audio show like hi,everyone, we're so glad that
you're here.
Welcome to how to be a grown-up.
This is the show for moms whotake their adhd meds and then

(00:20):
forget to eat until four butthen completely destroy the
entire pantry, and then have toeat until four but then
completely destroy the entirepantry and then have food in
their teeth, like I do right now.
That voice you hear is ArielleAmanti.
She's the author of Roots andInk and she's a warm chocolate
chip cookie with a side ofbrilliant ideas.

Ariella Monti (00:40):
I love chocolate chip cookies.

There really is something in my teeth, I can
feel it.
Anyway, today we are talkingabout ADHD and food because, as
much as I love chocolate chipcookies, there really is
something in my teeth.
I can feel it.
Anyway, today we are talkingabout ADHD and food because, as
much as I love food, and youlove food and we all love food,
sometimes it's just too hard todo anything but grab a handful
of goldfish and a slice ofwatermelon and call it good,
that's my meal.

You're eating fruit with the watermelon,
tahini and lots of tahini.
Watermelon break is key.
Yeah, that's a complete mealbreak there.
I completely agree, it's veryhydrating.

Variety of flavors Umami.
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do this all right.

so our sources for today are a plethora of
places nice, um, includingattitude magazine, which we've
used self at magazine had areally good article on adhd and
the Instagram for the ADHDdietitian, cleveland Clinic and

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some other more science-y mindedand focused websites.
So just as a contact warningbefore we get into it, I want to
let our listeners know that wecan't really talk about ADHD and
food struggles without touchingon eating disorders.
It's not going to be the bulkof our conversation, but it is

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going to come up.
If you suspect that you have aneating disorder or you want
help with disordered eating,please contact a board-cert
certified health professional.
Neither one of us are thosepeople are that.
No.

And a therapist would be good to like both.
Both in your pocket would begreat to have.
That's not us.

Yeah.
So if this is not an episode,if, if you, if conversations
about eating disorders is a, ordisordered eating is a trigger
for you, your mental healthcomes first, so we will not be
upset if you just turneverything off and go take care

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of yourself.
With that said, dopamine andfood Dopamine is is a wonderful
thing and I wish we had more ofit, literally.

Ultimately, here's what I learned the other
day.
I'll find the video and send itto you.
It's by a mom who has neurospicy children and she was
saying that she was veryconcerned about medicating her
child.
She was learning about whatmedications would be best for
their ADHD journey.
And the doctor is like I thinkpeople need to stop thinking of

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medicine for ADHD the way thatas like a control, as a
hampering.
It's really not what it isMedication ADHD.
What's lacking is dopamine,which wakes your brain up.
Right.
It's not that your brain isoveractive or whatever.
It's that your brain isdopamine which wakes your brain
up, right.
It's not that your brain isoveractive or whatever.
It's that your brain is sleepyso you can't focus on what you
need.
So it's really reallyinteresting to think of

(04:13):
medication as a.
That's why caffeine helps,because it wakes your brain up.
There's all these things, butdopamine.
I hadn't thought of that wayand I realized that I just
completely interrupted you asyou were starting our topic for
today, but I thought it wasfascinating to think of it as
dopamine is a neurotransmitterthat wakes your brain up, like.

(04:35):
How fascinating is that?

Oh, anyway, yeah, and medication would be like
store-bought dopamine.
If you don't make it yourself,store-bought is fine.
You don't make it yourselfstore-bought is fine.

Better living through pharmacology anyway.

So people with ad , people with adhd they lack
appropriate levels or, if youthink of it as like a supply of
dopamine, and this is, like wesaid, a neurotransmitter that
regulates basic aspects of ourexistence, so executive function
, working memory, emotionalregulation, impulse control, and

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so when we lack the appropriatelevels of dopamine, we also
lack the ability to existfunctionally Finish our
sentences.
Finish our sentences Exactly sowe're constantly chasing

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dopamine, and food is a way wecan temporarily increase
dopamine.
We can kind of, if you think ofit as a well, like a well, like
a water well where you getwater, if you think of it as a
well sorry, I'm good, I'm donewith this metaphor because it is

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not working anyway, rewind andgo, okay.
Anyway.
So food is a way we cantemporarily increase our
dopamine.

And generally when we need more dopamine, we
crave carb-rich foods or foodsthat have some kind of strong
sensory experience like crunchy,salty or sour.
I have heard of sugar alsobeing because, like, especially
processed foods have like highlevels of sugar.
So I've heard of people withadhd craving having higher sugar
cravings than other people too,so that would make sense.

Yeah exactly so like that, the carb rich.
So when they, when they talkabout carb rich, they're kind of
talking about like they'retalking about it in a very like
general, like sugar sort of form.

Yes, okay, got it.

Not just like breads and stuff like, yes,
breads, but also, yeah, likeanything that is like high in
sugar, so I guess, like icecream would be a good one one.
It's got carbs in it becauseit's got sugar in it.
Yeah, um.
So, caitlin, yeah, what aresome of your dopamine boosting

(07:13):
foods?

uh, nerds, gummy clusters, anything sour, I
, I love sour skittles.
Give me all the red number five.
I love hot tamales, she says,as she ingests carcinogens.
I really anything sour.
But I also I really I love likeanything with like a salty,

(07:41):
like key lime, or spicy, like anintent, like tahini is like one
of those things.
That kind of flavor is justreally, really good to me.
So if there's like tortillachips with that sort of lime and
salt flavor, I will.
I'll go for those too.

Yeah, yeah, I'm the opposite in that.
I sweet to salty.
Yeah, sour is sour, is veryspecific, like it's.
It's the thing I I eat when I'mon road trips most often.

(08:17):
So if I'm in the car, I will,and I'm going to be in the car
for a while, regardless if I'mdriving or if I'm a passenger.
I always want, like sour patchwatermelons or something like
that.
Yes, those are my favorite.
Those are my favorite.
Otherwise, mine tend to be likeWelch's fruit snacks are a big

(08:40):
one for me.
Cookies especially soft bakedones, any kind of bread,
pre-diagnosis, pre-adhddiagnosis and appropriate
medication.
I had phases in college where Iwas just plowing through boxes
of multigrain Cheerios, likeyeah, I would just eat bowls and

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I don't drink milk.
So it was just like bowls ofdry cereal and slices of Wonder
Bread, like straight from thebag.

Yeah, cereal with no milk, like just straight
cereal, I know.

I can do that as like a snack.

I can do that, but I couldn't just like eat it
in a bowl.
But I have no.
You know, what else I reallylove is crispics, or like corn
checks.
But that was something that Iwould often gravitate towards
because it was easy.
Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, definitely, definitely, yeah, so
there are some common foodstruggles amongst people with
ADHD.
What would you say are yourbiggest food-related ADHD
struggles?

Definitely like well, I mean I will hyperfixate
and forget to eat, which is aproblem, and then I'll end up
hangry and I feel my brain startto hurt and my blood sugar
crash.
So that's one big one.
Any kind of preparing of food,so like if I buy grapes from the
store I have to wash them, andlike pull them off the vine

(10:16):
immediately after I get themhome, otherwise they will sit in
that bag because I don't wantto get them out and prepare them
.
It's not even hard, I just it'stoo in my mind.
It's too much work to do thatand then, like.
certainly, just eatinghealthfully is a big issue for
me.

(10:36):
I'd rather go for the sugar orwhat's easy, the prepared
protein bar or something likethat that I don't have to put
together Just because, again,it's the preparation of
something is a really big hurdlefor me yeah, absolutely.

And those are the same things that I struggle
with, like putting off eatinguntil I'm starving because I'm
hyper focused on a thing and I'malways like, oh, just like
another five minutes, and then45 minutes goes by, and then,
once I do finally get to eat, Iam so overwhelmed by the thought

(11:11):
of having to prepare myselfsomething that I just binge eat
fruit snacks, yeah, or I throwyou know frozen mozzarella
sticks in the air fryer and eatthose, like because that is like
all I can muster up, manageyeah, that's all I have.

(11:34):
It's all I can muster to do yeah, yeah, um, and like all these
episodes and adhd that we'vebeen doing there, we've been
focusing on like certainhallmarks of ADHD and the same
impairments that we have withlike creativity show up in our

(11:54):
challenges with food.
So hyper focus is a big one,focused on what we're doing,
that we don't notice our, ourbody's hunger cues, um, and this
is where medication can.
All this is one of thedownsides of medication would be
the appetite suppressant partof it.

(12:15):
So now we're not hungry becauseof our medication if we're on it
, but then we also.
Maybe once we do start finallyfeeling hungry, we don't notice
it until like we're ready to setthe house on fire because we're
starving or cry like one or theother.

That's my usual go-to is the crying Like.

I don't understand why I'm not okay and
like put a snack in front of meand I'm like, I'm so much better
now okay and like put a snackin front of me and I'm like I'm
so much better now, exactly,exactly, oh, dear, okay, um, and
then just the the trouble from,of transitioning from what
we're doing to eating something,so like just the ability to go

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from one task to another thattransition time and you know
this hyper focus and theseissues with hyper focus can lead
to just completely skippingmeals or binge eating, or both
skipping a meal and then bingeeating and then nutrient

(13:22):
deficiencies that are related tothat.
So if you are skipping a mealand then binging, you know,
chips just to get something intoyour body and then like
forgetting to eat again, caitlin, because now you're not hungry,
and you get stuck like doing athing, because now you're not

(13:48):
hungry and you get stuck likedoing a thing.

And now, like you know where are your vitamins
, and like you can only subsiston chips for so long you don't
have them.

This can kind of look different for everybody,
but it's the constant seeking ofstimulation that food gives us.
So that's where we were kind oftalking about, like the sensory
experience of food.
So the crunchy, the salty, thesour, all of that sensory
experience can give us a littleboost of dopamine, but it's the

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not slowing down to kind ofassess how our mind and our body
is feeling.
So think about it like you'vehad a big dinner and you're
already super full, but somebodyputs down a plate of the like
most perfect chocolate chipcookies like you've ever seen
like the otis spunkmeyers thatare all warm oh see, I don't

(14:51):
think those are the best onewell, but there was whatever,
whatever those ones were in highschool, where they would like
heat them up for you and thenyou could.

Maybe this is just ours.
Those are what I'm talkingabout.
Those weren't otis spunkmeyer?
Those are were something else.

So my school district that I went to, they
think they used to like maketheir cookies like from scratch
and like bulk, but like maketheir cookies from scratch and
they were literally the greatestcookies I've ever had in my
life.

I think about those regularly, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Paying attention to your bodytelling you hey, if you put
another cookie inside of me Iwill vomit, so you just keep
it's the eating, kind of withoutthought you know Well, and

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you're fixated on the flavor.

Like the flavor is what's giving you the happy
feeling.
Or like the texture, whateverit is, that's what's giving you
the happy feeling.
Or like the texture, whateverit is, that's what's giving you
the happy.
And so that's what you'reseeking out.
But you're not.

But it's so strong that you're also unable
to process your stomach, tellingyou, please, lordy, no more
like yeah, exactly, exactly,okay, all right um, and so that
can lead to binge eating and itcan also lead to feeling out of
control around food, like if youknow that you do that it can

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really start to wear on your ownmental health and your anxiety.
So now you might start feelinglike anxious around food because
you feel impulsive around it.

That also makes me think of like the shame like
everyone else stops at onecookie but I need to have four,
and like how embarrassing isthat.

Like that's where .
That's another one that I Okay,all right, exactly, executive
dysfunction.
So this is the hallmark.
This is the big one.
Yeah, this is the big one.
Yeah, this is the big one.
So trouble organizing tasks,regulating our emotions, setting
and sticking to schedules.
We also we struggle withmulti-step task, like tasks like

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food prep or even following arecipe like how many?

recipes have we you know just, or like, started
without having all theingredients.
I do that a lot.

Yeah, that was that's probably my biggest issue
around it or like yeah anyway,yep yep you know how many times
I've like made I've startedmaking macaroni and cheese like
boxed macaroni and cheese, gotlike the water boiling the pasta
in and I find that I don't havelike butter, yeah, or I don't

(17:58):
have milk, and like, all right,I guess, I guess we're gonna
just wing it here, you know, andthen then the food doesn't have
that same like now.
It's disappointing, and itdoesn't have that same like
dopamine.

That's what I was gonna say.
Like now and I I have beenthere and the food doesn't taste
as good.
The other thing is I'm verythankful that we live very close
to a grocery store, like acrossthe street basically across a
busy street, but still acrossthe street because I will start
to get really down on myselfwhen I forget an ingredient and
my sweet husband will be like doyou need me to run across the

(18:37):
street?

Do you need me to go get?

this right now.
No, you don't have to Likecrying and he's like okay, I'll
be right back and 10 minuteslater I have what I need Like
bless him, yep.

Yes, yep, it happens all the time.
The big one that I would do,and can continue to do, is
forgetting to take meat out ofthe freezer.

All the time, all the time, every time, or
forgetting to turn on the crockpot.
That's the other one.

Or starting the crock pot too late.
Yes, not taking prep time intoit.
You're like I've got time butyou forgot to like add the the
hour of prep time, of likecutting stuff and all of that.

like yeah, yeah that all the yep, that is time
management all of that yeah yeah, right, right.

So this leads to science experiments in the
fridge of all the produce thatyou bought just to die in your
refrigerator.
So much, so many, so many.
It's a little bit better nowthat we have chickens, so like
we can throw them stuff beforeit, you know.

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So, like we can throw them stuffbefore it, you know.
Overwhelm while groceryshopping and getting lots and

(20:29):
lots of takeout which you knowis a symptom of your adhd
impacting your food makingdecisions, um, and then the
emotional dysregulation with itthat can perpetuate kind of
other cycles.
So like skipping, skippingmeals because it's all too much,
but then just binge eatingafter that or think about how
when you're, when you're hangry,like it's made the hanger that

(20:53):
I've.

when I compare, like my husband's hanger to my
hanger or my son's hanger,they're very, very different.
He's not an ADHD person and myson and I are.
And that emotionaldysregulation I feel like it
takes even longer to come downfrom one, because we already
feel it more intensely anyway,but then you add to it that we

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haven't eaten or we haven'twanted to eat, and then the
medication wears off and nowwe're starving and there's so
much more that goes into thatother thing.
That's really interesting.
You know, what else I justthought about too, like that's
related to kind of all of this,is.
I was thinking about the hyperfixation piece.
Have you I'm sure you've donethis have you ever hyper fixated

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on a particular food, like,like on a type of?
And then you eat it and you eatit, and you eat it and it's the
only thing you want, and youeat it every day for like months
and then, all of a sudden,you're like sick of it, like yes
, that that to me, like whenyour fallback food, like when
the food you've been relying on,stops being what you want,

(21:59):
there's, there is a piece ofthat that is coming in.
That's not related to like anyone of these things you've
talked about so far, but I feellike they're all kind of it does
sort of fit into each one ofthose categories somehow, yeah,
anyway, definitely Like.

Yeah, that's how it was for a lot of foods for me
and the it, the, thefrustration and the anxiety that
you can feel when that back,that backup food and that safe
food is no longer a safe foodand then you need something to

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replace it, and it's just likethis psych, it's just this like
period of time where you're justsitting there wondering what
you're going to eat, right,because the thing that you had
for lunch every single day formonths, like is no longer
appealing.

Right, and I would think that that is a kind
of disordered type of eating,honestly, like just this heavy
reliance on this one type offood.
It's like the one thing you cancontrol in your life is this
you know, your little cup ofgrapes or your little cup of
almonds or whatever it is thatyou have every single day and
you just can't function withoutit.

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And then when all of a suddenyou can't stand the sight or the
smell or the texture orsomething ruins it and then,
yeah, it just doesn't feelhealthy to fixate on a food like
that necessarily.

Yeah, yeah, and it's definitely tied.
I agree that it's likely tiedto probably the hyper fixation
part of it, but anxiety Possibly, even yeah, and the anxiety
that comes with with ADHD aswell.

Anyway, that it seems like a dysfunction, it
seems like a disordered eatingto me.
It just made me think of it,but please continue, continue.

Skipping meals Speaking of disordered eating
people with ADHD, so let mebacktrack a little bit doesn't

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cause eating disorders.
There are overlapping symptomsthat suggest that ADHD
contributes to eating disorders.
Oh, interesting, yeah.
So research shows that peoplewith ADHD are nearly four times
as likely as those without thecondition to develop an eating
disorder.
So one does not cause the other, but they are correlated.

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There is a strong correlationand the overlap is there that
would make the likelihood of onewith the other stronger.

That's fascinating and I would wonder,
like I wonder, what the researchwould indicate about people who
are diagnosed with ADHD versusthe ones who aren't, and what
the?
Difference looks like, becauseto me, a lot of of eating
disorders they're not specificto women, they're not unique to

(25:24):
women.
We know men suffer from eatingdisorders as well.
However, you do hear about themmore commonly, with women who
are under diagnosed with adhd.
So that I didn't.
That would be fascinating tofind out for me yeah, I did not.

I didn't come across anything like that when I
was researching, but I wasn'tspecifically looking for it, so
it's entirely possible that it'sthere.
I think there is a lot moreemerging science between, like,
adhd and the like, theconnection to like literally

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everything.
Um, yeah, and I think thisconnection between eating
disordered or disordered eatingand adhd because there is such a
strong correlation.
If we can get people in officewho like to pay for science,
maybe we'll see more science.

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That would be great.
But anyway, um, specificallylike, specific examples of what
I I did find is that, say, forpeople with anorexia, emotional
dysregulation can fuel thenegative emotions and self-talk
that leading to believing thatpeople won't love you unless

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you're perfect and look perfect.
So it's the emotionaldysregulation part of ADHD that
can exacerbate or fuel thenegative emotions that all the
people who have anorexia arealready experiencing.
Interesting, and then kind ofyeah, kind of on the flip side

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of that, impulsivity is stronglyconnected to binge eating
disorder yeah, I mean that's.

That's all you have to say about that one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, additionally, adhdcan contribute to struggles with
managing chronic illnesses liketype 2 diabetes and heart
disease, which we know we do.
Have research that shows usthat people with ADHD are more
likely to have these two typesof chronic illnesses, like.

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I have type 2 diabetes and I'mpretty sure that you know
skipping lunch and binge eatingmozzarella sticks and fruit
snacks is not helping my bloodsugar.

So I mean fair Also, though, like it's just
that's a it's a lot to manageall at once, right, and that
just makes the executivedysfunction worse because you're
just it's so much to manage allat the same time.
In addition to your regularexecutive dysfunction, now you
also have to think about whatyou eat in a specific kind of
way, Like it's just a lot Right.

Yeah, and I think I started noticing.
I started noticing more of achange in the way practitioners
deal with ADHD and chronicillness kind of in the last
couple of years, because thereare a lot of, you know, general
practitioners that just are notwell versed enough in ADHD and

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they'll be like diet andexercise and it's like okay,
cool, but I have all of theseissues kind of standing in my
way from making diet andexercise accessible to the way
that our medical professionalswish it would be.
So if you are experiencingchronic illnesses or an eating

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disorder that is exacerbated byADHD, my recommendation is to
reach out to clinicians who arewell-versed in ADHD and its
effects on diet, who arewell-versed in ADHD and its
effects on diet, and, veryimportant, to look for
specialists who are boardcertified and have advanced
degrees in whatever theyspecialize in.

(29:29):
Because when it comes to ADHDand it comes to nutrition, there
are a lot of people out therewho don't have any of that
specialized education and it canjust be really, really bad.
In the US, I'm pretty sure it'sbroadly across the US that a

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registered dietitian is aboard-certified medical
specialist.
Sometimes states have differentkind of terminology for
different titles, but I'm prettysure that in the US, a
registered dietitian is aboard-certified specialist
throughout the country.
A nutritionist, on the otherhand, is kind of an.

(30:17):
It has a lot of.
It's a very ambiguous title.
So a nutritionist might be aboard certified specialist in
something, or they might just bean MLM hun who took a weekend
training in Tampa or somethingand now can call themselves a

(30:40):
nutritionist.

I was going to put a word of caution out there.
I'm sure you would agree thatthe social media nutritionist is
not, or even dietitian, untilyou have a way to verify their
certification.
Getting ideas from them is onething, but please take those
ideas to someone who isreputable and is licensed and

(31:02):
certified, and do not take allof your advice from Instagram or
TikTok or anything like that.
There was some trend that Iheard the lemon water trend.
Have you heard of this?
It's going around on TikTok.
It's like people putting lemonin their water.
Now, there's nothing wrong withlemon water, but like having it
be the only thing you'redrinking all the time Lemon is

(31:24):
highly acidic.
It is eroding people's teeth ata rapid rate, and then you have
this push to eliminate fluoridefrom drinking water.
But also people are usingfluoride free toothpaste, which
is not good for you becausefluoride strengthens your teeth.
So now you have this epidemicof people literally eroding

(31:47):
their teeth away with lemonwater because they're like I've
never felt so good.
It's because you're drinkingwater.
It's because you're drinkingwater.
It's not because you'redrinking lemon water.
It's because you are puttingwater into your body.
Drinking lemon water it'sbecause you are putting water
into your body.
So just don't take your ADHDfood advice only from the
internet.
Look at reputable websites likeAttitude Mag, psychology Today.

(32:12):
These are great sources to getinformation about this, and then
when you need additional helpwhich you very well may please
seek out someone who iscertified and reputable.
At the very least, talk to yourprimary care physician first
and get sources from them.
They can at least guide you inthe right direction or give you

(32:34):
a referral or something likethat.
Okay.

Yeah, absolutely.

Let's take a break.
Next week, we're going to talkabout all the ways to kind of
manage this, tips and tricks toget yourself back on track if
food is something that youstruggle with as an ADHD person.
For now, though, we'll take aquick break.
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Stinking lemon water.
What is wrong with people?
Don't do that to yourself.

Because those people are probably selling
special lemon water or specialwater bottles for the lemon
water and they're just trying tomake, you know, more money,
Like you're drinking water withlike electrolytes or something
in it, just have like a half acup of Gatorade and call it good
, don't do that to yourself.

Anyway, okay, we are back.
We are back now and let's talkabout what we are currently
hyper fixated on.

Give me, I am currently hyper fixated on the
book that I am reading.
It's ritual income by bl brownum, who is a friend of mine.
She's a fellow author in thenorth carolina area, uh, and I
have been staying up way toolate reading it, so I am tired,

(34:39):
like I'm not enough sleep.

What is the book?

about.
It is a urban fantasy romance,okay, witchy urban fantasy
romance for people who enjoy, Iwould say, paranormal romance
with witches and cryptids andvampires and overarching

(35:05):
bureaucratic overseen by likewhat does it remind me of it?
It sort of reminds me ofsupernatural, okay, but if there
was some kind of likebureaucratic government that
sort of controlled all of thecreepy crawlies and vampires and

(35:26):
witches and stuff that kind ofjust existed in like in the
united states that, like sam anddean winchester, would like go
and kill, um, it's givingVolturi from Twilight a little
bit, but the bureaucratic pieceis what you just reminded me of,
like the.

You know what I'm talking about.

You know the Volturi did you read Twilight.

I did.

I read the first one and I hated it oh, incorrect
, incorrect.

Um, I loved it, do you?
But also the way you just likelisted off all these mythical
creatures.
There's that episode of parksand rec where they read twilight
and it becomes like a wholething and donna's like, oh, I'm
into everything with beasties,zombies, vampires.
She talks about how she had aminute with robert pattinson
he'd forget all about.
She talks about how she had aminute with Robert Pattinson and

(36:21):
he'd forget all about Kristen,whatever that was the vibe you
just gave.
If you don't know what I'mtalking about.
Go look up the episode.
It's in like season three, Ithink, but it's the one with
Will.
Oh God, what is his name?
His name's not Will.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, it'sthe guy who plays Kelly the

(36:45):
Parks and Rec guy who's intoTwilight.

I can't remember he was on SNL, oh my God.

He played the last man on.
Earth.
Oh my God, this is going todrive me nuts.
I'm going to look this up rightnow because I can't handle it.
Last man on Earth, the last manon earth, who was it?
Will Forte.
It was Will.
I was right it was Will Forte.
He plays the guy who is theyeah, yeah Anyway.

Oh, now I remember, okay, I remember this
episode now.
Yeah, yeah, okay, it's allcoming back, beasties, zombies,
it's all coming back, beasties,zombies, it's all coming back.

And then, yeah, you have Tom like obsessed with
it.
Yeah, it's just really funny.
Anyway, yeah, that's what youwere giving.

It's yeah, it's a very, it's a very good, it's a
very good book, All right.

And it's a series.
So I'm thankful that, so youget to have more.

Yeah, you.
This is.
The downsides of being anauthor is that most of your
friends are authors and you readtheir books and they suck you
in with their good books.

I don't think that's a bad thing to be sucked
in by a book, because my currenthyper fixation is catching up
on laundry, so I'd rather beinto what you do.

It's bad when you don't have time and money, and
then you end up staying up onlaundry, so I'd rather be into
what you're doing.

It's bad when you don't have time and money.
Oh yes, and then you end upstaying up all day and you want
to buy the books.

I get it.

I got you.

I see what you're saying, Right right, right, but
I should also be catching up onlaundry, because it has been
sitting in the corner of mybedroom for a very long time now
I.

I feel like I can't stop doing it.
Not that I have it's, it's notthat I need to do it.
It's, you know, it's not likeoh, there's laundry and I need
to get it done.
It's not like that.
It's like what can I pick upoff the floor, what?
What blanket needs to be washed?
And I just start, I'm justpicking it up and throwing it in
it.
It's like I, you know, I don'tknow what it is, but I've just

(38:38):
been like I need to, I need todo it.
I need I need to do it becauseit's satisfying a dopamine hit
or something.
To fold it all or put it alllike have it done.
I don't know what it is, butit's something and it's just.

It's really it's really getting to me.
I feel like I need that.
Can you like pass a little bitof that to me?

I need there's so much that I would give away
if I could.
If you needed a little extra, Ihave.
There's a lot of extra thingson my body that I'd be willing
to give away for fixation.
Number of times I told myfriends who are part of the IBTZ
if they need a little,something extra, I will happily

(39:19):
donate to them.
If you know.
You know, yep, okay, did youget anything done?
The book.

I finally finished my novella Yay.
And sent it to my beta readers.

Oh yeah, and I saw the first chapter of the one
you sent out in, of what yousent out in your email
newsletter too.

Yeah, yeah, that was awesome yeah, yeah, I'm so
excited I have been trying toget this, this thing, revised,
and it has been on the backburner for one reason or another
.
Some of it was like traveling,some of it was just it being
summer and the kid not being incamp.
Yeah, um, but I finally, Ifinally got it done and sent it

(40:05):
to my beta readers, and so nowit's their problem.

Um, it'll be yours, I can ignore it yeah,
it'll be my problem in a month.

And then I sent, then I sent it to my editor and
it's her problem.
Yep, yeah, so I'm glad Ifinally got that done.
Yay, that's exciting.
It was stressing me out, yeah,so.

Well, again my task is catching up on laundry.
That's all I've gotten done.
I'm just kidding, I'm justknocking it out Like just
finishing it up.
Get putting things away Likebolt.
You know, I we the way that wedo laundry in our houses.
We have a basket on top of thedryer for each one of us and all
the clothes get put into thatbasket at least, and the

(40:51):
grownups have to go take theirbaskets and put them away at
their own.
If you want to, if you want tolive out of your basket, that's
fine, because as long as it'snot taking up space in the dryer
, I don't care.
Like do what you.
You know what I mean, do whatyou want with it, but I'm those
the basket for some people inthis house, not me.
One other person is poweringlike the t-shirts are like

(41:15):
leaning because I've just beenknocking it out.
Man, just getting as much of itdone as I can.
So that's me getting thingsdone.
Only that thing that there yougo.

But you know what I, when I do finally get like
my laundry put away and stuff,like it is so much easier and so
much less stressful to get likedressed in the morning, when,
like you don't have to digthrough a laundry basket looking
for underwear, like you canjust go to the spot where your
underwear belongs and just graba pair.

Yeah, uh, yeah, oh well, and my laundry room.
You've, you've been to my houseso you know like I have three
very large windows in the main,the front hallway of my house,
and I have to walk past them toget to the laundry room, and the
number of times that I have runpast those windows not

(42:09):
completely covered up is aninfinity.
So I just having my clothes, mylaundry, put away is so
satisfying it does all the good.
That's a dopamine hit for sure,definitely.
Yeah, yeah, all right, I agree.
Well, I'm jealous.
Here you can have, here, takesome of my laundry energy.

(42:30):
Yeah, yeah, there you go, allright.
Well, let's, let's wrap this.
And again, like I said, ifyou're not subscribed to us on
your favorite podcast app, youshould do that now, because next
week we're talking about allthe ways to manage those food
and ADHD issues that go hand inhand.
So, some tips and tricks tohelp you not be hangry and to

(42:52):
manage those impulsivity andother executive dysfunction
issues.
So, as Jenny would would say,make good choices, have only one
handful of gummy nerd clusters,not two or three or seven.
And uh, caitlin and love, youmean it.

(43:12):
Bye, bye.

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