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Caitlin Kindred (00:01):
Okay, my fellow
business-running chaos goblins
gather round, because today'sepisode is for anyone with ADHD
who's ever looked at a 9 to 5and said hard pass.
We're talking ADHD andentrepreneurship.
Now, full disclosure.
We recorded this as one megaepisode but, truth be told, it
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ran so long that even our ADHDbrains got distracted while we
were listening to it, so we'resplitting it into two.
So this week we're focusing onthe superpowers, the weird and
wonderful ways that ADHD brainsthrive when they're running
their own show.
Next week we'll get into thechallenges, because there are
some slash many, but today we'recelebrating why your chaotic,
(00:47):
beautiful brain might actuallybe your secret business weapon.
Let's get to it.
Hi, friends, we're so gladyou're here.
Welcome to how to Be a Grownup.
This is the how-to show withadvice.
We learn the hard way.
There's really no other way toexplain this.
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I'm Caitlin.
I like how I said a before that, like I didn't know who I am
With me today.
Co-hosting for Jenny is AriellaMonti, who is the amazing
author of Roots and Ink, and sheis the love child of a TED talk
and a disco ball.
Ariella Monti (01:26):
I have no idea
what that means, but I love it I
think it works.
Caitlin Kindred (01:30):
Uh, I don't
know.
Yeah, I don't know what itmeans either although any with
any leslie nope style compliment.
Ariella Monti (01:37):
It never makes
sense right now like they're
always accurate, but yeah, butdon't make sense, which is
hilarious.
Caitlin Kindred (01:47):
Yeah, it's like
you know you yak with the mind
of a puma.
I don't know, it's just weirdstuff and I love it.
Anyway, today we are talkingabout ADHD and entrepreneurs and
why we are so kick-butt atbeing entrepreneurs and how to
find systems that work for you,because it's really difficult to
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be an entrepreneur andaccountable to only yourself as
someone with ADHD.
Ariella Monti (02:15):
Yes, so tough.
It's so, so tough when youdon't have your own boss to tell
you what to do.
Right and you don't have harddeadlines with deliverables like
yeah, yeah, it's rough, yeah,okay, right so I have in the
script here some kind of wittyintro that I can't think of
right now and that has notchanged, so we're just gonna go
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right into it and I like it sayso I'm going to say that this
information has come from acouple of different uh sources,
most of them being um attitudemagazine, which it's like a dd
it's yeah, it's, yeah, so it's areally great source.
(03:01):
Yeah, it's a great resource forpeople with ADHD, as well as
just being ADHD myself, and Isaid to somebody yesterday that
I think I've been a freelanceror working for myself in one way
or another more than I have inmy adult life Like I'm not
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counting like pre, like college,high school and everything but
in my post-college life I thinkI have worked for myself longer
than I have worked for someoneelse as like an employee.
I didn't know that.
Okay, yeah, I just kind ofthought about it yesterday I was
like, oh wow, look at that yeah.
Caitlin Kindred (03:45):
That's kind of
awesome.
Good for you.
Sure, I mean, yeah, all right,cool, maybe not.
Whatever Doesn't have to begood, no problem.
Ariella Monti (03:56):
No, I mean,
that's a topic for another show,
like the pros and cons of beingyour own small business, of
being your own small business.
So, for the sake of thisconversation, we're going to
lump entrepreneurship with justbusiness ownership, freelancing
or any situation in whichsomeone is working for
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themselves, because, whetherit's true or not, the term
entrepreneurship tends to implysomebody who runs a startup Like
when you think of anentrepreneur, like I usually
think of some douchey tech browho is like Not all.
Caitlin Kindred (04:32):
I work for
startups.
Ariella Monti (04:33):
Not all of them
are like that, but I do know
what you're talking about.
Caitlin Kindred (04:35):
No, it's not
Right.
Ariella Monti (04:36):
There is like the
word implies a stereotype that
you know which is true or not.
Caitlin Kindred (04:40):
So we're gonna
talk about all of that together?
Ariella Monti (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, not.
So we're going to talk about.
Caitlin Kindred (04:45):
All of that
together, yeah.
Ariella Monti (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Small businesses that are ownedby people with ADHD.
Yes, right, okay gotcha,regardless of their potential
tech douchebaggery and alsoregardless of their size,
because you could have, it couldbe a larger business, small
business you could be for me.
(05:08):
I do not have employees.
I can barely pay myself asalary, so I have no employees.
Caitlin Kindred (05:19):
I'm looking for
sponsors for this show actively
, so I'm hoping to.
If you want to help, do that.
We're all ears, because rightnow I'm an entrepreneur who
loses money on this every week,so I feel you.
Ariella Monti (05:34):
I feel you Okay.
So there's been a few studieson ADHD and entrepreneurs and
actually one from SyracuseUniversity found that leadership
who have ADHD outperformedtheir peers.
And this tends to be becausepeople with ADHD have a specific
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collection of traits that arestrengths when you own or are
leading a business.
When you own or are leading abusiness.
Now I'm going to say I am not amedical professional.
In any case, I have a master'sdegree in publishing.
So I'm coming at this withlooking for the information,
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passing it off to y'all and takewhat you need, you know, leave
what you don't.
And some of these strengths thatwe're going to talk about,
there's going to be some thatyou're going to be like really,
but that's also a weakness.
We're going to get to theweakness part, but let's first
talk about the strengths.
So the first one is risk-taking, which I know.
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When we think about risk-takingwe think about the kids who run
out into traffic.
But when it comes to being abusiness owner or business
leader, this impulsivity canhelp us make business decisions
that someone else might find toorisky because they're, like,
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too pragmatic and they kind ofthink about it a little bit too
much.
and when we make these riskierdecisions with some
intentionality behind them, thenthat risk could pay off yeah
because we get a certain amountof dopamine from just like doing
something a little bit crazyfor sure but again, this is
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something that that could workagainst us if it's not
intentional problem solving.
We love a puzzle, a physicalpuzzle, like you know, with
pieces and stuff.
Caitlin Kindred (07:42):
Yeah, we know
we've had these conversations
about puzzles before likelegitimate puzzling, Right yeah?
Ariella Monti (07:48):
But we, as ADHD
people, we are drawn to fixing
things, not just fixing likephysical things, but like we see
a problem, we want to fix it.
If we see a gap, we want tofill it.
You know we see a problematicman and we're like I can fix him
, but it's my romance authorcoming out.
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But ADHD people are good aboutthinking kind of outside the box
, are good about thinking kindof outside the box and the
actual process of working out aproblem is really exciting for
us and we get excited aboutfiguring out ways to solve a
problem.
Caitlin Kindred (08:31):
There's also a
little bit of this jack of all
trades, master of none sort ofvibe with ADHD people, where
they tend to be able to not onlythink about the solution but
actually actively solve theproblem, because they go hyper
fixate on how to solve it andthen learn enough to do it.
So like this is why I brokecode on a website the other day,
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because I was like, oh, I knowhow to fix this, I know what to
do here.
I'm the only one who knows howto go into the design manager
and fix it all, and then I brokeit.
But I still maintain that I havedone other things in that
design manager before and madeit possible.
So I mean there is a little bitof that actual skill that goes
into it too, because we do learnenough about how to solve the
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problem in addition to beingable to think about what needs
to happen next.
Ariella Monti (09:19):
Exactly, and that
is a good segue to the passion
part of it, which is the hyperfocus part of it.
So when we find something thattriggers that excitement, we're
going to go full force into it.
So if we see a problem and wewant to fix it, but we don't
have the skills to fix it or theknowledge to fix it, like we're
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, going to dive into it.
Caitlin Kindred (09:45):
Oh yeah, cue
the hyper fixation right now.
Ariella Monti (09:48):
Right right,
right, exactly.
And when we do things thatwe're interested in, it's going
to.
It's one of those things likenot that.
I believe this.
You know, if you do what youlove like, you'll never work a
day in your life which is likeit's garbage.
But on some level for an ADHDperson it's true.
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You know we are not going to gointo business doing something
that we don't enjoy, you know.
Caitlin Kindred (10:23):
Yes, that's
true.
Ariella Monti (10:24):
We're not going
to open up a business that we
are not passionate about Now.
Granted, that passion is noteverything that you need for
owning a business, but it issomething that I think is a
strength for us.
That hyper focus, that drive todo the things that we're
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interested in, I think sustainus when things get a little bit
rough.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, sort of going back toit's related to the problem
solving and the passion, but wehave a drive to make a
difference.
So if we see how things can beimproved, we want to like get in
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there and improve it.
So it brings us a lot ofexcitement to make a difference
in one way or another.
You know, maybe it's a business.
You know, maybe it's a business, maybe it's a nonprofit, but
that we get a lot of excitementand we get a lot of dopamine out
of helping and making making adifference.
Caitlin Kindred (11:30):
There is a
little bit of um I don't even
want to say a little bit there.
One of the hallmarkcharacteristics of ADHD that I'm
learning about is this sense offairness and justice that needs
to.
That is very real for us.
Like when things aren't fairexternally, we take that very
personally, and I think thatthat kind of goes back to this
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urge to help people.
So, absolutely, you know, I seea lot of that in myself too.
I like well, this isn't fair,what can I do to fix it?
How can I help?
And I think that that's where alot of these ideas come from is
people with this sense ofjustice that we have being
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inspired by?
Whatever we feel around us isnot okay.
Ariella Monti (12:16):
Yeah, absolutely,
totally, totally.
I absolutely agree with that.
Another strength is enjoyingvariety.
So being a business owner meansthat you're doing all the
things and that variety can helpkeep some ADHDers from getting
bored Though I'm going to pushback on that a little bit,
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because we also need to dothings that are boring as a
business owner, and those boringthings can be incredibly
draining and leave us withlittle for the things that we do
enjoy.
So I think, when it comes toenjoying variety and the idea of
multitasking and having yourhand in several pots, I think
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when it comes to enjoyingvariety and the idea of like
multitasking and having yourhand in several pots, I think
that's going to be specific tolike an individual person,
because I know, when it comes tobook publishing, I don't want
to do sales and distribution,and if I had the money to
outsource that.
Caitlin Kindred (13:20):
I absolutely
would.
Right, that's what I was goingto say.
Yeah, that's what I was goingto say is like this is when you
see entrepreneurs start hiringpeople to do the things they
don't want to do.
Absolutely yeah.
Ariella Monti (13:31):
And also we find
a certain level of comfort in
chaos.
You know we do thrive with aroutine, but we also do seem to
come alive in a crisis or evenjust when things are kind of
going wrong, sort of all at thesame time.
And you know your first yearsof owning a business can be
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flexible is really valuable whenyou're trying to get your
business sort of off the ground.
Caitlin Kindred (14:06):
Yeah, you just
reminded me of what we talked
about last week, which was thewhole great in a crisis
overwhelmed by the details ofthe everyday right, yeah, which
is why we need someone to comein and do the distribution and
sales and billing and crap likethat that we don't want to do
but can handle the startup lifethat is chaotic.
Ariella Monti (14:29):
Right, yeah, yeah
, definitely.
So those are our strengths andit would be very easy to just
like focus on those things, butI think it's important that we
validate the challenges that wehave, because ADHD is considered
a disability for a reason, andespecially in the workplace,
there's a lot about our ADHDthat can be disabling and that
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doesn't go away when we own ourown business.
We can manage them moreappropriately when we have our
own business, but they don'tdisappear.
So we have to acknowledge theweaknesses and make
accommodations for them.
Caitlin Kindred (15:12):
So there you
have it ADHD entrepreneurs, the
hyper-focus-fueled,idea-generating wait.
How is this a strength,risk-taking magic of running a
business your way?
But and you knew there was abut right?
Next week we're pulling backthe curtain on the other side of
entrepreneurship with ADHDThink time, blindness meets
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deadlines, rejection,sensitivity versus making sales
calls.
And why just hire?
Help is so much easier saidthan done when your brain
overthinks everything.
There's a lot of information.
That's going to be a ride, sohit, follow to make sure you
don't miss it.
And if you've ever you knowcried into a spreadsheet, trust
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me you will feel seen with thisepisode.
This has been how to Be aGrown-Up.
Go forth and exploit your ADHDstrengths.
This week We'll handle thechaos together next time.
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