September 16, 2019 • 47 mins
Today I'm talking with coach and writer Tiffany Han about incremental progress, making space, and saying yes to what you really want in life. As a participant in Tiffany's Raise Your Hand Say Yes Inner Circle, I'm so excited about this episode. I've gained so much from working with and getting to know Tiffany over the past year, and I'm thrilled to be able to share just a bit of her wisdom with you!
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- Tiffany Han
- Raise Your Hand Say Yes Inner Circle
- Tiffany on social: Instagram @thetiffanyhan | Pinterest: thetiffanyhan
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Intro (00:04):
You are listening to How to Be Creative, a podcast about
what it means to be creativeacross different disciplines,
industries, life circumstances,and career structures.
You'll learn tips for fittingcreativity into your daily life
and hear from a bunch ofdifferent people about how being
creative has helped them reachgoals, open doors, and live a
more rewarding or at least moreinteresting life.
(00:25):
I'm your host, Kat O'Leary andI'm excited to introduce you to
some of my favorite creatives,as well as to the tools that
help me get my most crucial workdone.
Kat (00:36):
Hi, and welcome to How to Be Creative.
So today I'm really excited tobring you this conversation with
Tiffany Han, host of the RaiseYour Hand Say Yes podcast.
Tiffany is a life coach whoteaches smart, driven women how
to become the most remarkableversions of themselves and learn
to just raise their hands andsay yes to all the things they
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want to do and say withoutcompromising their standards or
their sanity.
Tiffany, thank you so much forjoining me.
I thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
I'm so excited.
So, um, as we were chatting alittle bit before we started
recording, um, I was saying toTiffany that I think this
episode is going to be a littlebit different from some of the
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others that I've recorded so farin that, um, you know, for the
past, well this is the finalmonth actually of your year long
Raise Your Hand Say Yes InnerCircle Course, um, that I've
been a part of.
And so I feel like I've spentthe past now 11 plus months
really, really engaging withyour work.
Um, and so I'm really excited tointroduce you and what you were
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about to some new people, um,and then also kind of demystify
sort of what, what you do, um,what you do with your students,
et Cetera, and the people youcoach.
Um, so I guess what makes sense,um, to me it's probably, if you
don't mind just starting out bytalking a little bit about kind
of the background of your, um,you know, sort of your career as
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a coach and how you got here.
Tiffany (02:10):
Yeah.
So the, the short story is, um,I've, I studied psychology in
college and I always wanted todo something where I felt like I
was being of service, uh, to theworld.
So I worked in nonprofits for along time.
I considered going back toschool to study social work or
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public policy or, um, I thoughtabout getting a phd in
psychology.
I also, you know, kind of myturning point happened when I
had decided to get an MBA and,um, was in the process of
applying for business schoolsand realized that I didn't want
to do that either.
And I, when I discoveredcoaching, which I first learned
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about coaching, I think in 2009,I was really, really excited
about the idea of it as a careerbecause it felt to me like this
same sort of working with peopleone on one that I was craving in
terms of how I wanted to be ofservice.
But it also felt very actionoriented.
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Um, and it felt like somethingthat, that I was a good
energetic fit for.
So I got my coach training in2011.
I've been coaching ever since.
Um, and I have done all kinds ofdifferent types of coaching.
I've done life coaching, I'vedone business coaching, I've
done branding, coaching, andwhen I kind of look at the grand
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scope of all of the things thatI do, um, and try to figure out
what the threads have runthrough all the different things
I've called myself and all thedifferent ways that I've helped
people, it really comes down tohelping creative women who are
super capable and really smartand really driven, help them
design their lives so that theyfeel as good on the inside is
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that they look on the outside.
Um, and I really do believe thatwe can do that without having to
compromise our standards, as yousaid, or our sanity.
And it really for me is abouthelping you have both, helping
you have the life that looks theway you want it to look, but
also feels really great so thatwhen you wake up in the morning,
you're excited to get to haveanother day.
Kat (04:24):
Yeah, I love that so much and that really resonates with
me.
And it's something that I'd sayprobably over the past year and
maybe this is a byproduct ofworking with you.
Um, it's definitely somethingthat I've been sort of inching
toward in my own life.
Um, and I, I do kind of feellike I'm at the point where, um,
I, I feel, you know, you wantyour life.
Sometimes.
I, I, this is kind of a joke,but sometimes I'll think of it
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as I want my life to be as goodas it looks on Instagram.
Right?
Very easy.
And if you know any, any peoplewho are really more in kind of
the influencer space, um, youknow, that's just a ton of work.
It's, um, kind of grueling work,honestly.
Um, and I don't ever want mylife to feel that way.
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Um, I want, not that I expectthings to be effortless, but I
want there to be some sense ofease in everything that I do.
And so that's, uh, somethingthat I've said as a priority for
myself.
And I love that you're helpingother women do that as well.
Yeah.
And I love that you
Tiffany (05:24):
said that you're inching towards it.
And I think that's a reallyimportant thing to underline is
that we often think that we needone thing and that's going to
completely revolutionize ourlife.
Or if we only change this onething about ourselves or this
one thing about our day or thisone habit, and what I found over
and over and over again and whymy inner circle is a year long
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program, is that, you know, partof what I'm after is helping
women redesign their lives, butin a way that feels really
authentic to who they are.
And that feels really inalignment with the things that
they want to do.
And I recognize that this worktakes time to simmer and it
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takes time to try things out andfigure out what you want to do
and where you want to go andexperiment and then get busy and
then come back to it and all ofthat.
And so I actually think thatinching towards it, while for
those of us who are super drivenand over achievers feels like
we're failing is actually themost sustainable way to create
any kind of change.
Kat (06:28):
Absolutely agree.
And I feel like I've been havinga lot of conversations recently
about seasonality and the ideathat, um, you know, when you,
when you're thinking about whatprogress looks like, it's
important not to think about,well what did I do in the span
of this week or, or in the spanof this day or this month.
But to think about it along alittle bit of a longer timeline.
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And I think for that reason itmakes total sense to do, raise
your hand, say us as a innercircle as it full year course.
Um, and for me there havedefinitely been months where I,
there've been months where I aman absolute adherent to the
program.
I do everything, I check all theboxes, I fill out all the
worksheets, sheets in ourworkbooks.
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Um, and then there are othermonths where I maybe do 50% of
the assignments.
And I think as kind of ahomework dewar type person, that
was a challenge for me in thebeginning because I definitely
came in with a sense of I'mgoing to do all of the things
always for this full year andthat's just not feasible.
That's not how reality works.
That's not how life works.
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So, um, I, I'm getting betternow I think at embracing this
idea of incremental change andprogress not perfection is a
term that I heard a lot ofpeople throw around that has
really resonated with me latelyas well.
Yeah.
Tiffany (07:48):
You know, this isn't about, I think that that's
really, really easy for us tofeel resentment towards the
lives that we've worked so hardto create because they get in
the way of the things that wewant to do next.
And I'm all about how can weintegrate this into your life so
that they can compliment eachother rather than it being an
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either or.
And so that's why, you know, Iwould encourage you to get a 50%
or even just ignore the work fora month, that that's what you
need to, as long as you'rewilling and able to come back to
it when it's time and when youhave a little bit more space.
Kat (08:25):
Yeah.
But I think that can be achallenge too, right?
Cause sometimes you get in thismindset of it's all or nothing.
And then if you, um, you know,you maybe skip out for a month
or something and then trying toget back into it, there can
almost be this mental block of,oh well I broke the chain and
therefore, um, you know, there'sno point in restarting and
that's been a big thing thatI've kind of tried to overcome I
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think in the last, probably evenjust the last quarter or so.
Tiffany (08:50):
Yeah.
I think that, I mean, I thinkall or nothing, it sounds really
cool.
Um, and is that, you know, it'slike really intense and, and I
know for me like I'm oftenreally excited by messages like
that and it's easy for me tolike get into it and be like,
yeah, it's all or nothing.
Don't break the chain.
And I think what I realized formyself is sometimes I need to
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break the chain.
Sometimes I need to like put thechain down it.
And especially as somebody whois really a doer, um, it's so
easy for me to, you know, killmyself to not break the chain
and then look around and belike, wait a minute, I don't
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even like this chain.
It's not even serving me.
I recently had someone I'mworking with, um, a friend of
mine who's a coach on kind oftrying to reshape some of my
habits and essentially teachmyself how to really relax
because I'm not very good atthat.
Um, and one of the things I saidto her was, I don't understand
because I'm so good and Imeditate every day and I do all
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the things and I take longwalks.
And, and she was like, well,when you meditate, does it, do
you feel relief from it?
Does it give you a release?
And I was like, oh no, I wasjust doing it to check the box
because I thought it meditationhabit was like air quotes, the
way to relaxation and freedomand peace.
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And so it was a really bigpermission point for me to be
like, it's a not about doing thethings for the sake of doing the
things.
It's about what are they goingto give you?
And then I started to look at,okay, what are some other ways
that I can give myself thefreedom, the ease, the
connection, the peace, the flow,all of that without it
necessarily being in themeditation.
Kat (10:40):
Right?
Or like any other thing whereyou're just, it's another thing
to add to your, to do list andthen you can,
Tiffany (10:47):
it,
Kat (10:48):
it's like, oh, well now that I've done that, I must be
relaxed.
Tiffany (10:52):
Right?
And then you think there'ssomething wrong with you because
you're not right.
And I, I'm kind of an antirelaxer.
So,
Kat (11:00):
um, and actually one of the things that meditation I, I had
kind of set as a daily goal andhave more or less done away with
it.
Um, and in part for the reasonsyou discuss, kind of like, oh, I
was doing it as a check the boxthing and, and there are times
when it really helps me in, isvaluable to me and now I try to
only do it when, when I'm doingit for that reason or for that
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goal or not just because, oh,well it's Wednesday I meditated
Monday and Tuesday, now I haveto check off my Wednesday box.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so, um, you are also apodcast host and your podcast
recently had a pretty bigbirthday.
Tiffany (11:42):
Yeah, my, I guess her five.
Kat (11:45):
That's amazing.
And you're also a mom to twingirls, right?
So your podcast is younger thanyour, your children.
Right?
My podcast
Tiffany (11:54):
is about six months younger than my girls.
Yeah.
Wow, that's amazing.
So you started it as a new mom.
That's really incredible.
So I wanted to talk a little bitabout what you've learned in the
five years that you've beendoing.
Raise your hand, say yes.
Um, and also, you know, kind ofhow your podcasts and your work
have changed over the past fiveyears and what's, what's driven
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that.
Yeah, so it's so funny because Ididn't even realize that my
podcast was turning five untilpeople started congratulating me
on linkedin.
Is it like notified people aboutmy podcast anniversary and I got
a, I would get on these likecongratulations messages and I
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was like, what?
What have I done?
And I went and clicked throughand I was like, oh, would you
look at that?
My podcast is, is five.
And, and I think that thatpoints to one of the biggest
pieces of learning is that forme, the joy in the podcasting
has really been in getting towork on it every week and
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getting to shift it and grow andall of that.
And like the milestone of, of,you know, five years, honestly,
Kat, I thought it was a mistakewhen I first saw it.
I was like, no, it's like a yearand a half.
And then I did the math andremember that like my daughter's
just started kindergarten sothat like, yes, my podcast is
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the same age that they are.
And I was like, wow, what a coolthing.
And you know, I like to say likehad I set out to start the
podcast and thought, what am Igoing to be talking about five
years from now, I would haveimmediately gotten burnt out and
overwhelmed and it never wouldhave happened.
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Um, and so that's been one ofthe biggest learnings.
And, and I, I, I think foranything that we do right, find
the thing that you're superexcited about doing today and
maybe next week and let kind ofthe future of it go.
Because if you're able to stayexcited about it week after
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week, you're going to hold ontothat connection.
Um, rather than trying, I thinkthat we're really good at like
putting a lot of pressure onthings and overthinking
everything and I don't, I justdon't think that's serving us or
our ideas.
And it also doesn't give a lotof room for things to evolve.
So you asked about how thingshave changed and you know, I've
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really, the podcast is calledraise your hand, say yes.
So it's, it's always had kind ofthis overarching theme of raise
your hand and say yes to thethings you want and then trust
that you'll figure them out.
But I think when I first startedI was really, um, it was really
all about say yes to things andfigure them out and make them
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happen no matter what.
And throughout the course of thelast five years is I've changed
things in my business as mychildren have grown up, I quit
drinking.
Um, and that has become a bigpart of what I talk about and
conversations I have on thepodcast.
Um, it, it's shifted a littlebit into like, raise your hand,
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say yes, asterisk, but reallysay no a whole lot and make sure
that you're saying yes to thethings you want.
And a lot of times those thingsaren't gonna look really good on
paper, but they're what you needmore.
So I think I've gotten a lotmore gentle, um, in my approach
and, and a lot of that has hadto do directly with, I've gotten
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a lot more gentle with how Itreat myself.
That's great.
Yeah.
Kat (15:39):
Um, yeah.
And so another question I hadwas thinking back to, um, when
you started your, I was thinkingabout it in terms of when you
started your business, but itcould also be the podcast
specifically.
So I guess my question is reallyabout both.
Um, you know, how do you feellike your vision for the things
that you've started has ended updiffering from the reality of it
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today?
Tiffany (16:03):
Oh Gosh.
Um, I think, I think I thought Iwould get to the place where I
had things more figured out.
Hmm.
Right.
And then they would be like amore buttoned up.
Um, and that, you know, peopleare so funny cause they'll come
to my house and I work from myhouse.
I have an office in my house andthey'll come over and be like,
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where's your podcasting studio?
Um, and I'll just like point tomy desk.
And I'm like, it's just my desk.
Um, and I think that, that wehave this vision that when
people get to a certain place intheir work or in their business
or in the things that they do,that mastery looks a certain
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way.
Um, and I, I just don't knowthat it does.
I feel, I still feel, I feellike I have more figured out,
but I still feel like for themost part, I'm figuring things
out as I go.
Kat (16:57):
Yeah, that makes total sense.
Yeah.
And I think, I don't know,sometimes when you, when you
start out with an idealizedversion of what something will
look like down the road, um,what you're envisioning is a
somewhat sanitized version ofwhat anything in real life,
which is obviously messy andcomplicated, could actually look
like, yeah.
It's like, you think you'regonna get, I get
Tiffany (17:17):
like the Sit-com version of the thing, right?
Or like the lifetime movieversion of the thing, which is
the, like I picture, right.
And I could see it, I'm lookingaround my office right now and
like I could see what that kindof idealized Instagram
influencer version of the workthat I'm doing right now is, and
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my office is cleaner and they'refresh flowers and my children
are dressed in matching outfitsand they're playing quietly on
the floor, which is absolutelynot what's happening right now.
Um, you know, and I'm probablydifferent clothes that are a lot
more expensive, things likethat.
But I also, I think that part ofthat is, is we've been taught
that that is what we should beaspiring to and it's not
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necessarily the case.
Kat (18:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's, it's also not reallyaspirational if it's not
something that people canactually achieve.
Tiffany (18:12):
Right.
Because like you said, you know,you know people who live that
Instagram influencer life andit's grueling.
Yeah.
So I know for myself, and I'mnot like the tiniest of people,
um, but I know for myself that Ican either have a really tidy
space or I can get my work done.
Kat (18:33):
Right, right.
And which is more important.
It's obviously getting the workdone.
Tiffany (18:37):
Exactly.
And other people might have,might be like, no, if my space
is and tidy, then I can't doanything and good for them.
Right.
I considered an asset that I canjust ignore mess and focus on
the, the what's most important.
Kat (18:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
And honestly, even when you're,even if you're someone who, no
needs to need some kind of, um,you know, clean space or
whatever it is, in order tofocus, you can kind of just
point your line of vision in adifferent direction and probably
find it without too much timespent procrastinating by
cleaning your place.
Exactly.
(19:13):
Please.
That's my strategy.
Just face a wall.
Everything's fine.
Um, so another thing I wanted totalk about, so you've had, I
feel like there were these corethings that, that you do in your
work, right?
So the inner circle is one ofthem.
Um, and your podcast is anotherone.
And then I've noticed that youalso seem to dabble in a lot of
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other kind of creative miniprojects.
I'm not sure how you, what youwould call them.
Um, so for example, you know,the money, sex freedom series,
um, the claim your thing Ilittle program that you're doing
next week, things like that.
And I'm kind of wondering how doyou decide what to add in and
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how do you think aboutincorporating new things like
that into the work that you'realready doing?
And how does that kind of, um,how does it feed into, you know,
how you, how you think aboutYour Business and your podcast?
Tiffany (20:13):
Yeah, that's it.
Such a good question.
So I'll tell you how I used todo it and then how I do it now
because they're very different.
And I think that again, as I'veleaned more towards kindness and
gentleness to myself, um, thishas changed a lot in the last
few years because I've spent alot of time in burnout, like
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operating just within burnout.
And I think I've learned a lot.
So the way that I used to do itis I would, I have an idea, I
would say yes to it.
I would then do whatever it tookto follow that idea through.
So often for me that meantstaying up until midnight, not
sleeping.
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I'm working weekends when mydaughters were little, I would
often like work all day long,Monday through Friday and my
husband worked weekends and thenI would be solo parenting the
girls, this was back when theydid two naps a day.
So I'd be solo with the girls onthe weekend and like during
their two naps, both days Iwould be at my desk working,
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trying to make it all happen.
Um, which is a great way to getstuff done but also a terrible
way to get stuff done because Iwasn't necessarily operating
from a place of flow.
I was really spreading myselftoo thin and I was not taking
very good care of myself.
Um, the way that I do things nowis that I really try to, for any
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idea I have, I first of all getthe idea and then I just wait on
it.
Um, did you have a question onthat?
Kat (21:54):
No, that's, I, I'm just, I, I'm in agreement.
That's kind of how I startedthinking about things as well
cause it's very easy to justrush into, um, something that
sounds great without actuallythinking through, well what are
the steps that that requires anddoes that part also sound great?
Tiffany (22:10):
Yeah.
And I would actually suspectthat you and I probably have
very similar tendencies justbased on what I've seen you
accomplish this year.
And I bet that probably based oneverything that you did, there's
probably a very long list ofthings that you didn't do or
didn't have time to do orweren't able to get to.
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Um, and so I sit on the idea, Iwait and then I try to really,
really recognize like what doesit, how is it going to help?
Right?
How's it going to help mybusiness?
How's it going to help somebodyout there who wants to move
something forward?
Um, and then I also try toextend my timeline as much as
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possible.
So often what that looks like isall have an idea for a new class
or a new mini teaching or anypodcast series.
And my instinct is to be like,great, I'm going to do this
tomorrow and then I'll pause andbe like, or I'll do it in three
months or I'll do it nextspring.
Which in the moment feels liketorture.
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But I've also learned that it'salways for the best and the
things that are meant to happenright away.
Like you'll get the sign or anopportunity will show up or
something will happen where theycan happen right away.
Yeah, that makes total sense tome.
And another, another sort ofrelated thing for me that comes
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up sometimes is
Kat (23:41):
sometimes I'll, I'll have an idea and I'll think, okay, I
can do this months from now, butthen I'll start to worry.
But if I wait six months, issomeone else gonna take my idea?
So I don't know if you face anyof that as well.
Tiffany (23:53):
Yeah.
I mean they might write likethey totally my aid and, and I
think that they're, you have tohave, like, you have to make
that decision not from a placeof fear.
Right.
Often we make that decision froma place of fear.
Like, Oh, well I'm not readyyet, which is just
procrastination.
And so then we don't do it andthen somebody else does it and
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we're like, ugh.
And then we just never end updoing it.
Um, I think that making thatdecision from a place of love
and really from a place of graceto yourself has a very different
energy.
Um, but also I, I have had thathappen multiple times where I've
wanted to do something I haven'tbeen able to, and then I sort of
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see some other version of itgetting produced.
But I, I think like when I seethat happen, my first instinct
is, oh, I'm so mad that ithappened.
And then I come around to cool.
I hope that does really well forthat person because what that
will do is show me that thisidea has merit and then I can
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make my own version of the thing
Kat (25:00):
right.
And sort of use them as, um, youknow, almost your own kind of
pilot program and see what,what's working for them, what's
not working for them, and thentweak your own accordingly.
And then I think also, and wetouched on this actually, we had
our final, um, our final liveteaching for inner circle today.
And we were talking a little bitabout the idea that, you know,
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what's important is it's notreally about what you do with
much as the fact that you arethe one doing it.
Tiffany (25:29):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And if you have designed yourlife and your work and your days
so that whatever it is thatyou're touching really lights
you up, then whatever you'reworking on today is going to be
just as exciting as whatevercould come up for you six months
from now.
Kat (25:46):
Yeah.
That's so true.
Yep.
And a lot of the time if you're,if it feels like you're passing
up an opportunity now becauseyou don't have the bandwidth,
sometimes that just means thatyou're going to need that
bandwidth in two or three monthsfor something that's a lot more
powerful and a lot more, um, youknow, kind of in line with what
you should be doing or, or whatpath you're on.
Tiffany (26:04):
Yeah, totally.
And that's something that hascome up for me a lot in my 100
rejection letters program and myown rejection letters quest, um,
is I've gotten, I've been turneddown for things and later on
I've been able to use the sameidea or some variation of the
idea to pitch somewhere else andit's, I've ended up multiple
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times getting a yes and havingit be a better opportunity in
some way or another than theoriginal thing that I was trying
to get.
So it's one of those things thatjust like having the faith and
keeping your eye on where youare right now and what's going
to kind of most let you uptoday.
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And I think that if you're ableto do that, um, that's where,
that's where these lives that wereally want start to get born.
Kat (26:58):
Yeah.
Wow.
That's really amazing.
Yeah.
Um, I, and I do think for me, Ithink faith is such a big part
of it.
And when I'm operating from aplace of faith or love, um, I'm
just a lot more open toreceiving things versus trying
to control everything so tightlybecause I'm afraid of what will
happen if something doesn't goexactly as I think I want it to.
Tiffany (27:18):
Yeah.
That's not, I mean, I've beenthere too and it's not a, um,
not a fun place to be.
Kat (27:26):
Not at all.
Um, yeah.
So I did want to talk a littlebit in, in more depth about
inner circles.
So we talked a lot about, um,you know, why it's a year long
course.
Um, and having gone through mostof it myself at this point, I
can absolutely say that I, Ivalue the cadence at which we've
been kind of moving throughthings.
(27:48):
Um, but one thing I think isreally interesting about it is
that among the people taking thecourse alongside me, there's
just such a breadth of differentinterests and disciplines and we
have visual artists or writersand, um, you know, podcasters
and just a lot of differenttypes of people.
(28:09):
And I'm really intrigued by thefact that you were able to
create this course that works sowell for a broad range of
people.
And it's just kind of equallyrelevant regardless of what each
individual is seeking to do.
And I guess I'm using the innercircle as a jumping off point
for this, but I think it's truefor your podcasts as well.
(28:30):
Like I would recommend episodesof your podcast to people that I
might not necessarily think ofas creatives and I think they
would still get a lot of valueout of it.
Tiffany (28:39):
Yeah, I think that I, you know, I, I view things and
this is where I like side alittle because I recognize that
the things that I instinctivelyknow I need to do for my
business tend to flow counter tolike traditional wisdom around
(29:00):
this.
So, you know, a lot of times anddefinitely in coaches in
coaching, um, but also just ingeneral industries, like the key
is that you niche really hard.
You get really specific aboutwhat problems you solve.
You get really specific aboutthe outcomes that you're
providing.
And then you build your entirebusiness platform on that.
(29:22):
Um, and that has beenrecommended to me countless
times before as like the answerto my success and cat.
Every time I've tried to dothat, I've ended up feeling just
really, really dissatisfiedbecause I'm like, yeah, but I
know that there are these peopleover here and these people over
(29:44):
here and these people over hereand I can help them too.
And at the same time, um, theidea of talking to people who
are creative that has also, Idon't want to say gotten me in
trouble, but it's also, um, I'vebumped up against people who
want to work with me.
They want to take a class andthen they come to me and they
(30:06):
say, I really, really drawn toyour work but I'm not creative.
Can I still do this?
And my whole thing is like, weare all creative.
Every single human on thisplanet is creative because
creativity is just problemsolving.
And so your times when I pulledback a little bit from the
creative label, but at the sametime I'm like, no, this is, this
(30:27):
is actually what, what mattersmost.
And, and I think for me what Itry to look at is what do all of
these people have in common?
Um, and how can I get reallyclear on that so that I can use
that in terms of, of messagingand how I'm talking to my
audience and the, the threadsthat run through everybody, even
(30:49):
though they look reallydifferent from the outside, is
that they're driven, they'rereally smart, they're really
capable, they're reallyambitious.
They can take any single ideaand run with it.
And part of what I'm trying todo is help teach everybody how
to make sure that the ideasthey're running with are the
ones that are most in alignmentwith who they are.
And rather than teaching it fromlike a formula[inaudible] my, my
(31:14):
number one goal is to help eachand every one of you kind of
find yourself, get into a deepercommunion with yourself so that
you can start to learn that fromthe inside out rather than being
told it and then trying to makeyourself fit into some other
box.
Yeah, that makes so much sense.
And honestly, when I thinkabout, you know, the idea of
(31:35):
kind of having to, um, identifyone particular niche and sort of
winnow your business down tothat, um, those aren't the types
of entrepreneurs, leaders,business owners that whose works
, whose work tends to resonatewith me.
I'm very much drawn to peoplewho are multi-passionate, who
have a lot of different thingsthat they care about and who are
(31:58):
able to kind of piece all of thedifferent parts of themselves
together in a way that somehowmakes sense holistically.
Even if, if you were looking atthem as purely a business, let's
say, and thinking about these asdifferent verticals, it might
not make sense.
Right.
And I, you know, the commondenominator for me and all of
(32:18):
this is, is myself.
And so I feel like if, as longas all of the work is coming
through me, I mean I'm trusting,right?
This is a faith piece.
So like, as long as all of thework is coming through me, um,
that it will still be on brandand I can change and evolve and
grow as I need to.
(32:39):
And, and it feels to me likefreedom.
Um, but at the same time,sometimes I just think, oh, I
wish I could just help peoplewith this very specific thing,
but I also know that I would bebored immediately.
And so, um, you know, I've, atthis point, I've dug into how
things are.
Yeah, that makes sense.
(33:00):
Yeah.
Kat (33:00):
Getting back to what you said earlier about the idea of
creativity as problem solving, Ilove that so much because I do
think there is a pretty sizablecontingent of people who truly
believe that they're notcreative.
And so I think the word creativeor the word creativity can be a
little bit off putting and maybeeven scary.
(33:21):
Um, and so as I've been gettingthis podcast off the ground,
I've been thinking a lot about,well how do I make that more
palatable to a broader audience?
And so I always think about itas resourcefulness.
And that's a word that I've usedwith a few of my friends where
I've been kind of explaining tothem what I've been up to.
Um, and I think that's a lessscary term, kind of similar to
problem solving because youthink of it more as a business
(33:43):
capability versus, um, an innateskill that you either have or
don't have.
Um, and I don't, and which issomething I don't believe about
creativity.
I think it's a practice and Ithink it's something that
everyone has and everyone canhone.
Tiffany (33:58):
Yeah.
And I think that we've beentaught that creativity equals
being a visual artist, writingable to like put paint on a
canvas and have it look acertain way.
And, and you know, my wholeraise your hand says philosophy
is that the key to success isthat you raise your hand and say
yes and you trust that you'llfigure it out.
(34:19):
And for me really that, thattrust that you figure it out,
p's points to resourcefulness,points to creativity.
Um, and that's, it's, I think assimple as that.
And I think probably most of usare most creative when we like
open the refrigerator and figureout how to make ourselves a meal
based on what is in there.
(34:40):
Right.
But, but we think that we haveto be like, you know, paint
collage artists, belly dancers,opera singers in order to be
creative.
And like, for most of us,creativity looks a lot more
mundane and boring, but we'restill solving problems.
Kat (34:55):
Wow.
I love that.
Yeah, that's really great.
And it, um, I, so I joined a CSAthis year and so part of the
reason why I did that wasbecause I thought it would kind
of force me to get more creativewith food.
And I've definitely found thatto be the case.
Um, and then, um,
Tiffany (35:11):
Sarah Vaughan bargain
Kat (35:12):
does this thing sometimes.
So she's the, she writes the Yesand yes.
Blog.
She's also a coach.
Um, and she does a lot of thingsabout, um, the intersection of
money and happiness.
I know Tiffany, you know, all ofthis, but just for anyone in the
audience who might not befamiliar with Sarah, um, she's,
she does this thing sometimesand I can't remember what she
calls it, but basically goes onlike a
Tiffany (35:33):
okay
Kat (35:34):
grocery shopping diet and just eats from whatever's in
Tiffany (35:38):
the house for some set period of time.
And I started doing that onoccasion and that's been a
really fun kind of creativeexercise as well.
That's just a simple thing thatyou can do.
Um, you know,[inaudible] you'rebasically forced to do it with
what's at hand.
Doesn't that always, so shecalls it her no grocery
challenge and I do this and itis like, don't you feel like a
(36:00):
superhero after you do it?
Oh, absolutely.
I'm like, Oh, I just learned howto make some curry that I never
would.
It never would've occurred to meto make if I hadn't googled this
assortment of ingredients that Ijust happen to have in my house.
Yep.
Yeah.
Credible.
And I think this is also areally, really good example of
how creativity thrives withinstructure and within parameters.
(36:25):
And I radically, most of us kindof walk through the world
thinking, oh, well, if only Ididn't have any of these
parameters in my life, I wouldbe, you know, bounced fully
creative and I would just runthrough the fields of flowers
all the time and you know, haveall of these ideas when in fact
(36:46):
I, I see people thinking that'sthe answer a lot and then they
get to that place and they areparalyzed because there are too
many choices, too many differentoptions, too many places to go
and for you, right.
I love that.
Like you do the no grocerychallenge and you get the CSA
with the goal of being morecreative in the kitchen.
But if you were to just sort oflike have the goal of being more
(37:08):
creative in the kitchen withzero parameters, you probably
never get started.
Absolutely true.
I would probably just order adelivery every night, which I
guess that's a form ofcreativity or to least
resourceful.
This is problem solving.
Definitely problem solving.
Um, so another question I hadand um, you know, there may not
(37:32):
be a clear answer to this is doyou have a daily routine?
And if so, what does that looklike?
Or what could a day in the lifeof Tiffany Han look like?
Yeah.
So it looks, I mean every day isdifferent and I know that that's
such an annoying answer to thiskind of thing.
But it though I'm like, um,let's talk about all the days.
Who Cares?
So, um, my kids just startedkindergarten last week.
(37:57):
Um, and my husband also starteda new job.
So before last week my husbandwas home with the girls and they
were in preschool on Tuesday andThursday, which meant that my
life had a not very reliablerhythm, um, because there were
often a lot of people around.
(38:18):
I was very distractible.
Um, you know, there are a lot ofdifferent things.
So as of last week, I am at aplace where five days a week the
house is empty, starting at 7:15AM.
Um, then I have like, theyusually get home between two 30
and three.
(38:39):
So it's been really, reallyinteresting where I've been able
to like ask myself some of thequestions that I asked y'all in
the inner circle of like, whatdo I want my day to feel like?
What do I need?
What kinds of routines do I wantto introduce?
And for the month of September,I'm just kind of playing around
with things, trying to figureout like what, what is giving me
(39:02):
relief, what feels good, whatfeels like an obligation?
And so what I'm trying to do,I'm trying to experiment with
not doing any appointments orcalls until 11:00 AM to try to
keep my like 8:00 AM to 11:00 AMopen for doing some kind of
exercise and journaling, somereading, some writing.
(39:28):
Um, I'm working on a book, um,just a place to have like a
little bit of a creative fireand I was able to, to do that
for the first time this morningand I felt really, really good.
So I'm gonna lean into that alittle bit more and give it a
couple of weeks and like reallysee what kind of structure I can
(39:50):
pull in.
Kat (39:51):
I love that.
Yeah, that's great.
And Yeah, and I think in periodsof transition it can be very
easy to try to tightly controlthings and, and set all of these
, um, you know, specificparameters around what things
need to look like.
But I almost feel like if youcan kind of bend into that
(40:11):
transition with ease, you'llprobably end up with a better
result and something that feelsa little bit more, um, you know,
authentic and more in flow foryou.
Tiffany (40:22):
Yeah.
And I've realized, I recognizedyesterday that like, you know, I
started my podcast when my girlswere six months old and we moved
from California to Colorado ayear ago.
Um, and I've really not feltsettled probably since my
daughters were born.
(40:43):
Like I left my, I left my, my, Iwas working part time at my old
nonprofit.
I left that job in 2013 and thentwo months later I got pregnant
with twins, which I had a veryhealthy pregnancy but also was
exhausting and I was sick for areally long time and I had very
little energy.
(41:03):
Um, and so I recognize that likeI haven't[inaudible] really had
like a full time all of my timeto myself kind of workflow ever.
And so really fun opportunityfor me to like recreate it
(41:24):
however I want.
But again, that feels also like,oh, I don't know, this feels
hard.
So I'm trying to be reallygentle with myself, also get
really, really curious and he'smoment of like, do I want to
start working right away?
Yesterday I went and worked outright away.
I've just started working outwith a trainer.
So I went and had a session withher yesterday morning and then
(41:46):
today I was home all morning.
And it's like, what's better forme?
Is it better to get out of thehouse right away or is it better
to sort of ease into my day andhave a little bit of
spaciousness?
Kat (41:57):
Yeah, I love that.
Um, so I guess my next questionsort of feeds from this one.
So it sounds like right nowthere's a lot of, there's a lot
of stuff in transition.
You're kind of figuring out whatthings look like, but when you
think about, you know, a littlebit farther in the future other
than inner circle starting upagain on October 1st.
(42:21):
Um, so what else is in thepipeline for Tiffany Han right
now?
That's it too excited about,
Tiffany (42:26):
I'm excited that I don't really know.
Um, so the inner circle startsback up in October application.
So it's an application onlyprogram applications are opening
in a couple of weeks.
So getting ready for that andthen processing that and getting
all the kids out is kind oftaking up my September.
(42:49):
Um, and then after that, Kat,honestly I have no idea what's
coming next.
I've got some ideas fordifferent classes.
Um, I'm working on my book.
I, that's, that's really all Iknow.
And for the first time ever inmy business, I'm fine with that
(43:11):
being the answer, which feelsreally revolutionary.
Kat (43:15):
Yeah, I think that's amazing.
And I think that's,
Tiffany (43:18):
yeah,
Kat (43:18):
it's also a testament to kind of what you were talking
about earlier about starting outwith these very specific ideas
or, you know, I think we've bothkind of gone through a similar
evolution on this, um, andstarting out with this specific
idea of what something shouldlook like and then kind of
getting more and morecomfortable, um, as you grow
with kind of letting things goand kind of seeing what happens
(43:40):
more.
Um, so I really love that and Ido feel like I've made a lot of
progress on that front, um, overthe past few months.
Um, and definitely working withyou.
It's been a big part of that,um, for which I'm really
grateful.
Um, so I don't know if there'sanything else that we haven't
touched on.
Um, I will drop all of thisstuff that we've talked about
(44:01):
into the show notes.
Um, but in the meantime, um,where should people look for
you?
I'm on the web.
I'm on social media.
Where's the best spot to findTiffany?
Tiffany (44:11):
Yeah, so, um, Instagram is my social media platform of
choice.
Um, and my, um, over there, theTiffany Han and you can find me
wherever you're listening tothis podcast.
Um, you can also find, raiseyour hand, say yes.
So you can just search, raiseyour hand, say yes and I'm on
all the, all the podcastplayers.
(44:32):
Um, and then you can find outmore about me and my website,
Tiffany han.com.
And also if you're listening tothis and you're interested in
more information about the innercircle, um, you know, reach out
to me, feel free to send me a DMon Instagram, the information,
uh, we'll be live by the timethis goes live so you can just
go to raise your hand, sayyes.com, um, and get all the
(44:53):
details there and apply and allof that.
So, um, you know, it's been acat.
You're such like a testament towhat can happen when you show up
and, and do the work.
And it's been so fun getting towatch you in this program makes
so much happen and try so manydifferent things and learn so
much and um, it's just such ajoy.
(45:14):
So thank you.
Kat (45:15):
No, thank you.
It's been wonderful.
And I actually meant to touch ona little bit of what I'd been
working on, um, what I've beenworking on during the course,
but there's just a lot that I, Ifeel like I've accomplished so
much over the past 11 months.
And by the, by the time weofficially close at the end of
this month, I feel like it'll beeven more.
But I've gotten, I'll be donewith two, two drafts of novels.
(45:37):
Um, I've obviously launched thispodcast.
I did another little podcastmini series, um, with hallmark
Valentine's movies back inFebruary.
Um, and I just, I don't know,I've gotten so much out of
working with you, getting toknow the other women in the
course.
Um, and it's just, it's beenreally inspiring.
Not to sound like this is acommercial for inner circle, but
it kind of, it, yeah, no, it'sbeen wonderful.
(46:00):
So, I mean I, anyone who followsme on social media is familiar
with the fact that I am a bigadvocate of your process and
that I've gotten a lot out ofit.
So, um, I will includeinformation about that obviously
in the show notes and um, asTiffany says, everything will be
open once this episode goes liveand you can reach out to her as
(46:20):
well.
Tiffany (46:22):
Yeah.
And if you're hearing this, um,and you're interested, there are
a limited number of spots so ifyou're wondering about it like
don't delay because we do expectit to sell out.
Um, and so I'd hate for you tomiss your chance because it does
only come around once a year.
Yeah, definitely.
Tiffany, thank you
Kat (46:41):
so much.
I can't even tell you how much Iappreciate your taking the time
to chat with me today.
It's been so wonderful toconnect
Tiffany (46:48):
Kat.
Thank you.
This is the best.
Kat (46:51):
Yes.
Agreed.
Okay, thanks so much and I willtalk to you soon.
Yay.
Thanks cat.
Bye.
Bye.
Outro (47:00):
So that's this week's episode of how to be creative.
As always, you can find shownotes including a complete
episode transcript and links toeverything
discussed@howtobecreative.org.
You are listening to How to Be Creative, a podcast about
what it means to be creativeacross different disciplines,
industries, life circumstances,and career structures.
You'll learn tips for fittingcreativity into your daily life
and hear from a bunch ofdifferent people about how being
creative has helped them reachgoals, open doors, and live a
more rewarding or at least moreinteresting life.
(00:25):
I'm your host, Kat O'Leary andI'm excited to introduce you to
some of my favorite creatives,as well as to the tools that
help me get my most crucial workdone.
Kat (00:36):
Hi, and welcome to How to Be Creative.
So today I'm really excited tobring you this conversation with
Tiffany Han, host of the RaiseYour Hand Say Yes podcast.
Tiffany is a life coach whoteaches smart, driven women how
to become the most remarkableversions of themselves and learn
to just raise their hands andsay yes to all the things they
(00:58):
want to do and say withoutcompromising their standards or
their sanity.
Tiffany, thank you so much forjoining me.
I thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
I'm so excited.
So, um, as we were chatting alittle bit before we started
recording, um, I was saying toTiffany that I think this
episode is going to be a littlebit different from some of the
(01:20):
others that I've recorded so farin that, um, you know, for the
past, well this is the finalmonth actually of your year long
Raise Your Hand Say Yes InnerCircle Course, um, that I've
been a part of.
And so I feel like I've spentthe past now 11 plus months
really, really engaging withyour work.
Um, and so I'm really excited tointroduce you and what you were
(01:43):
about to some new people, um,and then also kind of demystify
sort of what, what you do, um,what you do with your students,
et Cetera, and the people youcoach.
Um, so I guess what makes sense,um, to me it's probably, if you
don't mind just starting out bytalking a little bit about kind
of the background of your, um,you know, sort of your career as
(02:06):
a coach and how you got here.
Tiffany (02:10):
Yeah.
So the, the short story is, um,I've, I studied psychology in
college and I always wanted todo something where I felt like I
was being of service, uh, to theworld.
So I worked in nonprofits for along time.
I considered going back toschool to study social work or
(02:33):
public policy or, um, I thoughtabout getting a phd in
psychology.
I also, you know, kind of myturning point happened when I
had decided to get an MBA and,um, was in the process of
applying for business schoolsand realized that I didn't want
to do that either.
And I, when I discoveredcoaching, which I first learned
(02:55):
about coaching, I think in 2009,I was really, really excited
about the idea of it as a careerbecause it felt to me like this
same sort of working with peopleone on one that I was craving in
terms of how I wanted to be ofservice.
But it also felt very actionoriented.
(03:16):
Um, and it felt like somethingthat, that I was a good
energetic fit for.
So I got my coach training in2011.
I've been coaching ever since.
Um, and I have done all kinds ofdifferent types of coaching.
I've done life coaching, I'vedone business coaching, I've
done branding, coaching, andwhen I kind of look at the grand
(03:38):
scope of all of the things thatI do, um, and try to figure out
what the threads have runthrough all the different things
I've called myself and all thedifferent ways that I've helped
people, it really comes down tohelping creative women who are
super capable and really smartand really driven, help them
design their lives so that theyfeel as good on the inside is
(04:01):
that they look on the outside.
Um, and I really do believe thatwe can do that without having to
compromise our standards, as yousaid, or our sanity.
And it really for me is abouthelping you have both, helping
you have the life that looks theway you want it to look, but
also feels really great so thatwhen you wake up in the morning,
you're excited to get to haveanother day.
Kat (04:24):
Yeah, I love that so much and that really resonates with
me.
And it's something that I'd sayprobably over the past year and
maybe this is a byproduct ofworking with you.
Um, it's definitely somethingthat I've been sort of inching
toward in my own life.
Um, and I, I do kind of feellike I'm at the point where, um,
I, I feel, you know, you wantyour life.
Sometimes.
I, I, this is kind of a joke,but sometimes I'll think of it
(04:46):
as I want my life to be as goodas it looks on Instagram.
Right?
Very easy.
And if you know any, any peoplewho are really more in kind of
the influencer space, um, youknow, that's just a ton of work.
It's, um, kind of grueling work,honestly.
Um, and I don't ever want mylife to feel that way.
(05:10):
Um, I want, not that I expectthings to be effortless, but I
want there to be some sense ofease in everything that I do.
And so that's, uh, somethingthat I've said as a priority for
myself.
And I love that you're helpingother women do that as well.
Yeah.
And I love that you
Tiffany (05:24):
said that you're inching towards it.
And I think that's a reallyimportant thing to underline is
that we often think that we needone thing and that's going to
completely revolutionize ourlife.
Or if we only change this onething about ourselves or this
one thing about our day or thisone habit, and what I found over
and over and over again and whymy inner circle is a year long
(05:47):
program, is that, you know, partof what I'm after is helping
women redesign their lives, butin a way that feels really
authentic to who they are.
And that feels really inalignment with the things that
they want to do.
And I recognize that this worktakes time to simmer and it
(06:08):
takes time to try things out andfigure out what you want to do
and where you want to go andexperiment and then get busy and
then come back to it and all ofthat.
And so I actually think thatinching towards it, while for
those of us who are super drivenand over achievers feels like
we're failing is actually themost sustainable way to create
any kind of change.
Kat (06:28):
Absolutely agree.
And I feel like I've been havinga lot of conversations recently
about seasonality and the ideathat, um, you know, when you,
when you're thinking about whatprogress looks like, it's
important not to think about,well what did I do in the span
of this week or, or in the spanof this day or this month.
But to think about it along alittle bit of a longer timeline.
(06:51):
And I think for that reason itmakes total sense to do, raise
your hand, say us as a innercircle as it full year course.
Um, and for me there havedefinitely been months where I,
there've been months where I aman absolute adherent to the
program.
I do everything, I check all theboxes, I fill out all the
worksheets, sheets in ourworkbooks.
(07:11):
Um, and then there are othermonths where I maybe do 50% of
the assignments.
And I think as kind of ahomework dewar type person, that
was a challenge for me in thebeginning because I definitely
came in with a sense of I'mgoing to do all of the things
always for this full year andthat's just not feasible.
That's not how reality works.
That's not how life works.
(07:32):
So, um, I, I'm getting betternow I think at embracing this
idea of incremental change andprogress not perfection is a
term that I heard a lot ofpeople throw around that has
really resonated with me latelyas well.
Yeah.
Tiffany (07:48):
You know, this isn't about, I think that that's
really, really easy for us tofeel resentment towards the
lives that we've worked so hardto create because they get in
the way of the things that wewant to do next.
And I'm all about how can weintegrate this into your life so
that they can compliment eachother rather than it being an
(08:10):
either or.
And so that's why, you know, Iwould encourage you to get a 50%
or even just ignore the work fora month, that that's what you
need to, as long as you'rewilling and able to come back to
it when it's time and when youhave a little bit more space.
Kat (08:25):
Yeah.
But I think that can be achallenge too, right?
Cause sometimes you get in thismindset of it's all or nothing.
And then if you, um, you know,you maybe skip out for a month
or something and then trying toget back into it, there can
almost be this mental block of,oh well I broke the chain and
therefore, um, you know, there'sno point in restarting and
that's been a big thing thatI've kind of tried to overcome I
(08:47):
think in the last, probably evenjust the last quarter or so.
Tiffany (08:50):
Yeah.
I think that, I mean, I thinkall or nothing, it sounds really
cool.
Um, and is that, you know, it'slike really intense and, and I
know for me like I'm oftenreally excited by messages like
that and it's easy for me tolike get into it and be like,
yeah, it's all or nothing.
Don't break the chain.
And I think what I realized formyself is sometimes I need to
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break the chain.
Sometimes I need to like put thechain down it.
And especially as somebody whois really a doer, um, it's so
easy for me to, you know, killmyself to not break the chain
and then look around and belike, wait a minute, I don't
(09:34):
even like this chain.
It's not even serving me.
I recently had someone I'mworking with, um, a friend of
mine who's a coach on kind oftrying to reshape some of my
habits and essentially teachmyself how to really relax
because I'm not very good atthat.
Um, and one of the things I saidto her was, I don't understand
because I'm so good and Imeditate every day and I do all
(09:56):
the things and I take longwalks.
And, and she was like, well,when you meditate, does it, do
you feel relief from it?
Does it give you a release?
And I was like, oh no, I wasjust doing it to check the box
because I thought it meditationhabit was like air quotes, the
way to relaxation and freedomand peace.
(10:19):
And so it was a really bigpermission point for me to be
like, it's a not about doing thethings for the sake of doing the
things.
It's about what are they goingto give you?
And then I started to look at,okay, what are some other ways
that I can give myself thefreedom, the ease, the
connection, the peace, the flow,all of that without it
necessarily being in themeditation.
Kat (10:40):
Right?
Or like any other thing whereyou're just, it's another thing
to add to your, to do list andthen you can,
Tiffany (10:47):
it,
Kat (10:48):
it's like, oh, well now that I've done that, I must be
relaxed.
Tiffany (10:52):
Right?
And then you think there'ssomething wrong with you because
you're not right.
And I, I'm kind of an antirelaxer.
So,
Kat (11:00):
um, and actually one of the things that meditation I, I had
kind of set as a daily goal andhave more or less done away with
it.
Um, and in part for the reasonsyou discuss, kind of like, oh, I
was doing it as a check the boxthing and, and there are times
when it really helps me in, isvaluable to me and now I try to
only do it when, when I'm doingit for that reason or for that
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goal or not just because, oh,well it's Wednesday I meditated
Monday and Tuesday, now I haveto check off my Wednesday box.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so, um, you are also apodcast host and your podcast
recently had a pretty bigbirthday.
Tiffany (11:42):
Yeah, my, I guess her five.
Kat (11:45):
That's amazing.
And you're also a mom to twingirls, right?
So your podcast is younger thanyour, your children.
Right?
My podcast
Tiffany (11:54):
is about six months younger than my girls.
Yeah.
Wow, that's amazing.
So you started it as a new mom.
That's really incredible.
So I wanted to talk a little bitabout what you've learned in the
five years that you've beendoing.
Raise your hand, say yes.
Um, and also, you know, kind ofhow your podcasts and your work
have changed over the past fiveyears and what's, what's driven
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that.
Yeah, so it's so funny because Ididn't even realize that my
podcast was turning five untilpeople started congratulating me
on linkedin.
Is it like notified people aboutmy podcast anniversary and I got
a, I would get on these likecongratulations messages and I
(12:40):
was like, what?
What have I done?
And I went and clicked throughand I was like, oh, would you
look at that?
My podcast is, is five.
And, and I think that thatpoints to one of the biggest
pieces of learning is that forme, the joy in the podcasting
has really been in getting towork on it every week and
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getting to shift it and grow andall of that.
And like the milestone of, of,you know, five years, honestly,
Kat, I thought it was a mistakewhen I first saw it.
I was like, no, it's like a yearand a half.
And then I did the math andremember that like my daughter's
just started kindergarten sothat like, yes, my podcast is
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the same age that they are.
And I was like, wow, what a coolthing.
And you know, I like to say likehad I set out to start the
podcast and thought, what am Igoing to be talking about five
years from now, I would haveimmediately gotten burnt out and
overwhelmed and it never wouldhave happened.
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Um, and so that's been one ofthe biggest learnings.
And, and I, I, I think foranything that we do right, find
the thing that you're superexcited about doing today and
maybe next week and let kind ofthe future of it go.
Because if you're able to stayexcited about it week after
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week, you're going to hold ontothat connection.
Um, rather than trying, I thinkthat we're really good at like
putting a lot of pressure onthings and overthinking
everything and I don't, I justdon't think that's serving us or
our ideas.
And it also doesn't give a lotof room for things to evolve.
So you asked about how thingshave changed and you know, I've
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really, the podcast is calledraise your hand, say yes.
So it's, it's always had kind ofthis overarching theme of raise
your hand and say yes to thethings you want and then trust
that you'll figure them out.
But I think when I first startedI was really, um, it was really
all about say yes to things andfigure them out and make them
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happen no matter what.
And throughout the course of thelast five years is I've changed
things in my business as mychildren have grown up, I quit
drinking.
Um, and that has become a bigpart of what I talk about and
conversations I have on thepodcast.
Um, it, it's shifted a littlebit into like, raise your hand,
(15:11):
say yes, asterisk, but reallysay no a whole lot and make sure
that you're saying yes to thethings you want.
And a lot of times those thingsaren't gonna look really good on
paper, but they're what you needmore.
So I think I've gotten a lotmore gentle, um, in my approach
and, and a lot of that has hadto do directly with, I've gotten
(15:32):
a lot more gentle with how Itreat myself.
That's great.
Yeah.
Kat (15:39):
Um, yeah.
And so another question I hadwas thinking back to, um, when
you started your, I was thinkingabout it in terms of when you
started your business, but itcould also be the podcast
specifically.
So I guess my question is reallyabout both.
Um, you know, how do you feellike your vision for the things
that you've started has ended updiffering from the reality of it
(16:02):
today?
Tiffany (16:03):
Oh Gosh.
Um, I think, I think I thought Iwould get to the place where I
had things more figured out.
Hmm.
Right.
And then they would be like amore buttoned up.
Um, and that, you know, peopleare so funny cause they'll come
to my house and I work from myhouse.
I have an office in my house andthey'll come over and be like,
(16:24):
where's your podcasting studio?
Um, and I'll just like point tomy desk.
And I'm like, it's just my desk.
Um, and I think that, that wehave this vision that when
people get to a certain place intheir work or in their business
or in the things that they do,that mastery looks a certain
(16:44):
way.
Um, and I, I just don't knowthat it does.
I feel, I still feel, I feellike I have more figured out,
but I still feel like for themost part, I'm figuring things
out as I go.
Kat (16:57):
Yeah, that makes total sense.
Yeah.
And I think, I don't know,sometimes when you, when you
start out with an idealizedversion of what something will
look like down the road, um,what you're envisioning is a
somewhat sanitized version ofwhat anything in real life,
which is obviously messy andcomplicated, could actually look
like, yeah.
It's like, you think you'regonna get, I get
Tiffany (17:17):
like the Sit-com version of the thing, right?
Or like the lifetime movieversion of the thing, which is
the, like I picture, right.
And I could see it, I'm lookingaround my office right now and
like I could see what that kindof idealized Instagram
influencer version of the workthat I'm doing right now is, and
(17:38):
my office is cleaner and they'refresh flowers and my children
are dressed in matching outfitsand they're playing quietly on
the floor, which is absolutelynot what's happening right now.
Um, you know, and I'm probablydifferent clothes that are a lot
more expensive, things likethat.
But I also, I think that part ofthat is, is we've been taught
that that is what we should beaspiring to and it's not
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necessarily the case.
Kat (18:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's, it's also not reallyaspirational if it's not
something that people canactually achieve.
Tiffany (18:12):
Right.
Because like you said, you know,you know people who live that
Instagram influencer life andit's grueling.
Yeah.
So I know for myself, and I'mnot like the tiniest of people,
um, but I know for myself that Ican either have a really tidy
space or I can get my work done.
Kat (18:33):
Right, right.
And which is more important.
It's obviously getting the workdone.
Tiffany (18:37):
Exactly.
And other people might have,might be like, no, if my space
is and tidy, then I can't doanything and good for them.
Right.
I considered an asset that I canjust ignore mess and focus on
the, the what's most important.
Kat (18:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
And honestly, even when you're,even if you're someone who, no
needs to need some kind of, um,you know, clean space or
whatever it is, in order tofocus, you can kind of just
point your line of vision in adifferent direction and probably
find it without too much timespent procrastinating by
cleaning your place.
Exactly.
(19:13):
Please.
That's my strategy.
Just face a wall.
Everything's fine.
Um, so another thing I wanted totalk about, so you've had, I
feel like there were these corethings that, that you do in your
work, right?
So the inner circle is one ofthem.
Um, and your podcast is anotherone.
And then I've noticed that youalso seem to dabble in a lot of
(19:37):
other kind of creative miniprojects.
I'm not sure how you, what youwould call them.
Um, so for example, you know,the money, sex freedom series,
um, the claim your thing Ilittle program that you're doing
next week, things like that.
And I'm kind of wondering how doyou decide what to add in and
(19:59):
how do you think aboutincorporating new things like
that into the work that you'realready doing?
And how does that kind of, um,how does it feed into, you know,
how you, how you think aboutYour Business and your podcast?
Tiffany (20:13):
Yeah, that's it.
Such a good question.
So I'll tell you how I used todo it and then how I do it now
because they're very different.
And I think that again, as I'veleaned more towards kindness and
gentleness to myself, um, thishas changed a lot in the last
few years because I've spent alot of time in burnout, like
(20:36):
operating just within burnout.
And I think I've learned a lot.
So the way that I used to do itis I would, I have an idea, I
would say yes to it.
I would then do whatever it tookto follow that idea through.
So often for me that meantstaying up until midnight, not
sleeping.
(20:56):
I'm working weekends when mydaughters were little, I would
often like work all day long,Monday through Friday and my
husband worked weekends and thenI would be solo parenting the
girls, this was back when theydid two naps a day.
So I'd be solo with the girls onthe weekend and like during
their two naps, both days Iwould be at my desk working,
(21:19):
trying to make it all happen.
Um, which is a great way to getstuff done but also a terrible
way to get stuff done because Iwasn't necessarily operating
from a place of flow.
I was really spreading myselftoo thin and I was not taking
very good care of myself.
Um, the way that I do things nowis that I really try to, for any
(21:44):
idea I have, I first of all getthe idea and then I just wait on
it.
Um, did you have a question onthat?
Kat (21:54):
No, that's, I, I'm just, I, I'm in agreement.
That's kind of how I startedthinking about things as well
cause it's very easy to justrush into, um, something that
sounds great without actuallythinking through, well what are
the steps that that requires anddoes that part also sound great?
Tiffany (22:10):
Yeah.
And I would actually suspectthat you and I probably have
very similar tendencies justbased on what I've seen you
accomplish this year.
And I bet that probably based oneverything that you did, there's
probably a very long list ofthings that you didn't do or
didn't have time to do orweren't able to get to.
(22:31):
Um, and so I sit on the idea, Iwait and then I try to really,
really recognize like what doesit, how is it going to help?
Right?
How's it going to help mybusiness?
How's it going to help somebodyout there who wants to move
something forward?
Um, and then I also try toextend my timeline as much as
(22:56):
possible.
So often what that looks like isall have an idea for a new class
or a new mini teaching or anypodcast series.
And my instinct is to be like,great, I'm going to do this
tomorrow and then I'll pause andbe like, or I'll do it in three
months or I'll do it nextspring.
Which in the moment feels liketorture.
(23:19):
But I've also learned that it'salways for the best and the
things that are meant to happenright away.
Like you'll get the sign or anopportunity will show up or
something will happen where theycan happen right away.
Yeah, that makes total sense tome.
And another, another sort ofrelated thing for me that comes
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up sometimes is
Kat (23:41):
sometimes I'll, I'll have an idea and I'll think, okay, I
can do this months from now, butthen I'll start to worry.
But if I wait six months, issomeone else gonna take my idea?
So I don't know if you face anyof that as well.
Tiffany (23:53):
Yeah.
I mean they might write likethey totally my aid and, and I
think that they're, you have tohave, like, you have to make
that decision not from a placeof fear.
Right.
Often we make that decision froma place of fear.
Like, Oh, well I'm not readyyet, which is just
procrastination.
And so then we don't do it andthen somebody else does it and
(24:16):
we're like, ugh.
And then we just never end updoing it.
Um, I think that making thatdecision from a place of love
and really from a place of graceto yourself has a very different
energy.
Um, but also I, I have had thathappen multiple times where I've
wanted to do something I haven'tbeen able to, and then I sort of
(24:37):
see some other version of itgetting produced.
But I, I think like when I seethat happen, my first instinct
is, oh, I'm so mad that ithappened.
And then I come around to cool.
I hope that does really well forthat person because what that
will do is show me that thisidea has merit and then I can
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make my own version of the thing
Kat (25:00):
right.
And sort of use them as, um, youknow, almost your own kind of
pilot program and see what,what's working for them, what's
not working for them, and thentweak your own accordingly.
And then I think also, and wetouched on this actually, we had
our final, um, our final liveteaching for inner circle today.
And we were talking a little bitabout the idea that, you know,
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what's important is it's notreally about what you do with
much as the fact that you arethe one doing it.
Tiffany (25:29):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And if you have designed yourlife and your work and your days
so that whatever it is thatyou're touching really lights
you up, then whatever you'reworking on today is going to be
just as exciting as whatevercould come up for you six months
from now.
Kat (25:46):
Yeah.
That's so true.
Yep.
And a lot of the time if you're,if it feels like you're passing
up an opportunity now becauseyou don't have the bandwidth,
sometimes that just means thatyou're going to need that
bandwidth in two or three monthsfor something that's a lot more
powerful and a lot more, um, youknow, kind of in line with what
you should be doing or, or whatpath you're on.
Tiffany (26:04):
Yeah, totally.
And that's something that hascome up for me a lot in my 100
rejection letters program and myown rejection letters quest, um,
is I've gotten, I've been turneddown for things and later on
I've been able to use the sameidea or some variation of the
idea to pitch somewhere else andit's, I've ended up multiple
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times getting a yes and havingit be a better opportunity in
some way or another than theoriginal thing that I was trying
to get.
So it's one of those things thatjust like having the faith and
keeping your eye on where youare right now and what's going
to kind of most let you uptoday.
(26:48):
And I think that if you're ableto do that, um, that's where,
that's where these lives that wereally want start to get born.
Kat (26:58):
Yeah.
Wow.
That's really amazing.
Yeah.
Um, I, and I do think for me, Ithink faith is such a big part
of it.
And when I'm operating from aplace of faith or love, um, I'm
just a lot more open toreceiving things versus trying
to control everything so tightlybecause I'm afraid of what will
happen if something doesn't goexactly as I think I want it to.
Tiffany (27:18):
Yeah.
That's not, I mean, I've beenthere too and it's not a, um,
not a fun place to be.
Kat (27:26):
Not at all.
Um, yeah.
So I did want to talk a littlebit in, in more depth about
inner circles.
So we talked a lot about, um,you know, why it's a year long
course.
Um, and having gone through mostof it myself at this point, I
can absolutely say that I, Ivalue the cadence at which we've
been kind of moving throughthings.
(27:48):
Um, but one thing I think isreally interesting about it is
that among the people taking thecourse alongside me, there's
just such a breadth of differentinterests and disciplines and we
have visual artists or writersand, um, you know, podcasters
and just a lot of differenttypes of people.
(28:09):
And I'm really intrigued by thefact that you were able to
create this course that works sowell for a broad range of
people.
And it's just kind of equallyrelevant regardless of what each
individual is seeking to do.
And I guess I'm using the innercircle as a jumping off point
for this, but I think it's truefor your podcasts as well.
(28:30):
Like I would recommend episodesof your podcast to people that I
might not necessarily think ofas creatives and I think they
would still get a lot of valueout of it.
Tiffany (28:39):
Yeah, I think that I, you know, I, I view things and
this is where I like side alittle because I recognize that
the things that I instinctivelyknow I need to do for my
business tend to flow counter tolike traditional wisdom around
(29:00):
this.
So, you know, a lot of times anddefinitely in coaches in
coaching, um, but also just ingeneral industries, like the key
is that you niche really hard.
You get really specific aboutwhat problems you solve.
You get really specific aboutthe outcomes that you're
providing.
And then you build your entirebusiness platform on that.
(29:22):
Um, and that has beenrecommended to me countless
times before as like the answerto my success and cat.
Every time I've tried to dothat, I've ended up feeling just
really, really dissatisfiedbecause I'm like, yeah, but I
know that there are these peopleover here and these people over
(29:44):
here and these people over hereand I can help them too.
And at the same time, um, theidea of talking to people who
are creative that has also, Idon't want to say gotten me in
trouble, but it's also, um, I'vebumped up against people who
want to work with me.
They want to take a class andthen they come to me and they
(30:06):
say, I really, really drawn toyour work but I'm not creative.
Can I still do this?
And my whole thing is like, weare all creative.
Every single human on thisplanet is creative because
creativity is just problemsolving.
And so your times when I pulledback a little bit from the
creative label, but at the sametime I'm like, no, this is, this
(30:27):
is actually what, what mattersmost.
And, and I think for me what Itry to look at is what do all of
these people have in common?
Um, and how can I get reallyclear on that so that I can use
that in terms of, of messagingand how I'm talking to my
audience and the, the threadsthat run through everybody, even
(30:49):
though they look reallydifferent from the outside, is
that they're driven, they'rereally smart, they're really
capable, they're reallyambitious.
They can take any single ideaand run with it.
And part of what I'm trying todo is help teach everybody how
to make sure that the ideasthey're running with are the
ones that are most in alignmentwith who they are.
And rather than teaching it fromlike a formula[inaudible] my, my
(31:14):
number one goal is to help eachand every one of you kind of
find yourself, get into a deepercommunion with yourself so that
you can start to learn that fromthe inside out rather than being
told it and then trying to makeyourself fit into some other
box.
Yeah, that makes so much sense.
And honestly, when I thinkabout, you know, the idea of
(31:35):
kind of having to, um, identifyone particular niche and sort of
winnow your business down tothat, um, those aren't the types
of entrepreneurs, leaders,business owners that whose works
, whose work tends to resonatewith me.
I'm very much drawn to peoplewho are multi-passionate, who
have a lot of different thingsthat they care about and who are
(31:58):
able to kind of piece all of thedifferent parts of themselves
together in a way that somehowmakes sense holistically.
Even if, if you were looking atthem as purely a business, let's
say, and thinking about these asdifferent verticals, it might
not make sense.
Right.
And I, you know, the commondenominator for me and all of
(32:18):
this is, is myself.
And so I feel like if, as longas all of the work is coming
through me, I mean I'm trusting,right?
This is a faith piece.
So like, as long as all of thework is coming through me, um,
that it will still be on brandand I can change and evolve and
grow as I need to.
(32:39):
And, and it feels to me likefreedom.
Um, but at the same time,sometimes I just think, oh, I
wish I could just help peoplewith this very specific thing,
but I also know that I would bebored immediately.
And so, um, you know, I've, atthis point, I've dug into how
things are.
Yeah, that makes sense.
(33:00):
Yeah.
Kat (33:00):
Getting back to what you said earlier about the idea of
creativity as problem solving, Ilove that so much because I do
think there is a pretty sizablecontingent of people who truly
believe that they're notcreative.
And so I think the word creativeor the word creativity can be a
little bit off putting and maybeeven scary.
(33:21):
Um, and so as I've been gettingthis podcast off the ground,
I've been thinking a lot about,well how do I make that more
palatable to a broader audience?
And so I always think about itas resourcefulness.
And that's a word that I've usedwith a few of my friends where
I've been kind of explaining tothem what I've been up to.
Um, and I think that's a lessscary term, kind of similar to
problem solving because youthink of it more as a business
(33:43):
capability versus, um, an innateskill that you either have or
don't have.
Um, and I don't, and which issomething I don't believe about
creativity.
I think it's a practice and Ithink it's something that
everyone has and everyone canhone.
Tiffany (33:58):
Yeah.
And I think that we've beentaught that creativity equals
being a visual artist, writingable to like put paint on a
canvas and have it look acertain way.
And, and you know, my wholeraise your hand says philosophy
is that the key to success isthat you raise your hand and say
yes and you trust that you'llfigure it out.
(34:19):
And for me really that, thattrust that you figure it out,
p's points to resourcefulness,points to creativity.
Um, and that's, it's, I think assimple as that.
And I think probably most of usare most creative when we like
open the refrigerator and figureout how to make ourselves a meal
based on what is in there.
(34:40):
Right.
But, but we think that we haveto be like, you know, paint
collage artists, belly dancers,opera singers in order to be
creative.
And like, for most of us,creativity looks a lot more
mundane and boring, but we'restill solving problems.
Kat (34:55):
Wow.
I love that.
Yeah, that's really great.
And it, um, I, so I joined a CSAthis year and so part of the
reason why I did that wasbecause I thought it would kind
of force me to get more creativewith food.
And I've definitely found thatto be the case.
Um, and then, um,
Tiffany (35:11):
Sarah Vaughan bargain
Kat (35:12):
does this thing sometimes.
So she's the, she writes the Yesand yes.
Blog.
She's also a coach.
Um, and she does a lot of thingsabout, um, the intersection of
money and happiness.
I know Tiffany, you know, all ofthis, but just for anyone in the
audience who might not befamiliar with Sarah, um, she's,
she does this thing sometimesand I can't remember what she
calls it, but basically goes onlike a
Tiffany (35:33):
okay
Kat (35:34):
grocery shopping diet and just eats from whatever's in
Tiffany (35:38):
the house for some set period of time.
And I started doing that onoccasion and that's been a
really fun kind of creativeexercise as well.
That's just a simple thing thatyou can do.
Um, you know,[inaudible] you'rebasically forced to do it with
what's at hand.
Doesn't that always, so shecalls it her no grocery
challenge and I do this and itis like, don't you feel like a
(36:00):
superhero after you do it?
Oh, absolutely.
I'm like, Oh, I just learned howto make some curry that I never
would.
It never would've occurred to meto make if I hadn't googled this
assortment of ingredients that Ijust happen to have in my house.
Yep.
Yeah.
Credible.
And I think this is also areally, really good example of
how creativity thrives withinstructure and within parameters.
(36:25):
And I radically, most of us kindof walk through the world
thinking, oh, well, if only Ididn't have any of these
parameters in my life, I wouldbe, you know, bounced fully
creative and I would just runthrough the fields of flowers
all the time and you know, haveall of these ideas when in fact
(36:46):
I, I see people thinking that'sthe answer a lot and then they
get to that place and they areparalyzed because there are too
many choices, too many differentoptions, too many places to go
and for you, right.
I love that.
Like you do the no grocerychallenge and you get the CSA
with the goal of being morecreative in the kitchen.
But if you were to just sort oflike have the goal of being more
(37:08):
creative in the kitchen withzero parameters, you probably
never get started.
Absolutely true.
I would probably just order adelivery every night, which I
guess that's a form ofcreativity or to least
resourceful.
This is problem solving.
Definitely problem solving.
Um, so another question I hadand um, you know, there may not
(37:32):
be a clear answer to this is doyou have a daily routine?
And if so, what does that looklike?
Or what could a day in the lifeof Tiffany Han look like?
Yeah.
So it looks, I mean every day isdifferent and I know that that's
such an annoying answer to thiskind of thing.
But it though I'm like, um,let's talk about all the days.
Who Cares?
So, um, my kids just startedkindergarten last week.
(37:57):
Um, and my husband also starteda new job.
So before last week my husbandwas home with the girls and they
were in preschool on Tuesday andThursday, which meant that my
life had a not very reliablerhythm, um, because there were
often a lot of people around.
(38:18):
I was very distractible.
Um, you know, there are a lot ofdifferent things.
So as of last week, I am at aplace where five days a week the
house is empty, starting at 7:15AM.
Um, then I have like, theyusually get home between two 30
and three.
(38:39):
So it's been really, reallyinteresting where I've been able
to like ask myself some of thequestions that I asked y'all in
the inner circle of like, whatdo I want my day to feel like?
What do I need?
What kinds of routines do I wantto introduce?
And for the month of September,I'm just kind of playing around
with things, trying to figureout like what, what is giving me
(39:02):
relief, what feels good, whatfeels like an obligation?
And so what I'm trying to do,I'm trying to experiment with
not doing any appointments orcalls until 11:00 AM to try to
keep my like 8:00 AM to 11:00 AMopen for doing some kind of
exercise and journaling, somereading, some writing.
(39:28):
Um, I'm working on a book, um,just a place to have like a
little bit of a creative fireand I was able to, to do that
for the first time this morningand I felt really, really good.
So I'm gonna lean into that alittle bit more and give it a
couple of weeks and like reallysee what kind of structure I can
(39:50):
pull in.
Kat (39:51):
I love that.
Yeah, that's great.
And Yeah, and I think in periodsof transition it can be very
easy to try to tightly controlthings and, and set all of these
, um, you know, specificparameters around what things
need to look like.
But I almost feel like if youcan kind of bend into that
(40:11):
transition with ease, you'llprobably end up with a better
result and something that feelsa little bit more, um, you know,
authentic and more in flow foryou.
Tiffany (40:22):
Yeah.
And I've realized, I recognizedyesterday that like, you know, I
started my podcast when my girlswere six months old and we moved
from California to Colorado ayear ago.
Um, and I've really not feltsettled probably since my
daughters were born.
(40:43):
Like I left my, I left my, my, Iwas working part time at my old
nonprofit.
I left that job in 2013 and thentwo months later I got pregnant
with twins, which I had a veryhealthy pregnancy but also was
exhausting and I was sick for areally long time and I had very
little energy.
(41:03):
Um, and so I recognize that likeI haven't[inaudible] really had
like a full time all of my timeto myself kind of workflow ever.
And so really fun opportunityfor me to like recreate it
(41:24):
however I want.
But again, that feels also like,oh, I don't know, this feels
hard.
So I'm trying to be reallygentle with myself, also get
really, really curious and he'smoment of like, do I want to
start working right away?
Yesterday I went and worked outright away.
I've just started working outwith a trainer.
So I went and had a session withher yesterday morning and then
(41:46):
today I was home all morning.
And it's like, what's better forme?
Is it better to get out of thehouse right away or is it better
to sort of ease into my day andhave a little bit of
spaciousness?
Kat (41:57):
Yeah, I love that.
Um, so I guess my next questionsort of feeds from this one.
So it sounds like right nowthere's a lot of, there's a lot
of stuff in transition.
You're kind of figuring out whatthings look like, but when you
think about, you know, a littlebit farther in the future other
than inner circle starting upagain on October 1st.
(42:21):
Um, so what else is in thepipeline for Tiffany Han right
now?
That's it too excited about,
Tiffany (42:26):
I'm excited that I don't really know.
Um, so the inner circle startsback up in October application.
So it's an application onlyprogram applications are opening
in a couple of weeks.
So getting ready for that andthen processing that and getting
all the kids out is kind oftaking up my September.
(42:49):
Um, and then after that, Kat,honestly I have no idea what's
coming next.
I've got some ideas fordifferent classes.
Um, I'm working on my book.
I, that's, that's really all Iknow.
And for the first time ever inmy business, I'm fine with that
(43:11):
being the answer, which feelsreally revolutionary.
Kat (43:15):
Yeah, I think that's amazing.
And I think that's,
Tiffany (43:18):
yeah,
Kat (43:18):
it's also a testament to kind of what you were talking
about earlier about starting outwith these very specific ideas
or, you know, I think we've bothkind of gone through a similar
evolution on this, um, andstarting out with this specific
idea of what something shouldlook like and then kind of
getting more and morecomfortable, um, as you grow
with kind of letting things goand kind of seeing what happens
(43:40):
more.
Um, so I really love that and Ido feel like I've made a lot of
progress on that front, um, overthe past few months.
Um, and definitely working withyou.
It's been a big part of that,um, for which I'm really
grateful.
Um, so I don't know if there'sanything else that we haven't
touched on.
Um, I will drop all of thisstuff that we've talked about
(44:01):
into the show notes.
Um, but in the meantime, um,where should people look for
you?
I'm on the web.
I'm on social media.
Where's the best spot to findTiffany?
Tiffany (44:11):
Yeah, so, um, Instagram is my social media platform of
choice.
Um, and my, um, over there, theTiffany Han and you can find me
wherever you're listening tothis podcast.
Um, you can also find, raiseyour hand, say yes.
So you can just search, raiseyour hand, say yes and I'm on
all the, all the podcastplayers.
(44:32):
Um, and then you can find outmore about me and my website,
Tiffany han.com.
And also if you're listening tothis and you're interested in
more information about the innercircle, um, you know, reach out
to me, feel free to send me a DMon Instagram, the information,
uh, we'll be live by the timethis goes live so you can just
go to raise your hand, sayyes.com, um, and get all the
(44:53):
details there and apply and allof that.
So, um, you know, it's been acat.
You're such like a testament towhat can happen when you show up
and, and do the work.
And it's been so fun getting towatch you in this program makes
so much happen and try so manydifferent things and learn so
much and um, it's just such ajoy.
(45:14):
So thank you.
Kat (45:15):
No, thank you.
It's been wonderful.
And I actually meant to touch ona little bit of what I'd been
working on, um, what I've beenworking on during the course,
but there's just a lot that I, Ifeel like I've accomplished so
much over the past 11 months.
And by the, by the time weofficially close at the end of
this month, I feel like it'll beeven more.
But I've gotten, I'll be donewith two, two drafts of novels.
(45:37):
Um, I've obviously launched thispodcast.
I did another little podcastmini series, um, with hallmark
Valentine's movies back inFebruary.
Um, and I just, I don't know,I've gotten so much out of
working with you, getting toknow the other women in the
course.
Um, and it's just, it's beenreally inspiring.
Not to sound like this is acommercial for inner circle, but
it kind of, it, yeah, no, it'sbeen wonderful.
(46:00):
So, I mean I, anyone who followsme on social media is familiar
with the fact that I am a bigadvocate of your process and
that I've gotten a lot out ofit.
So, um, I will includeinformation about that obviously
in the show notes and um, asTiffany says, everything will be
open once this episode goes liveand you can reach out to her as
(46:20):
well.
Tiffany (46:22):
Yeah.
And if you're hearing this, um,and you're interested, there are
a limited number of spots so ifyou're wondering about it like
don't delay because we do expectit to sell out.
Um, and so I'd hate for you tomiss your chance because it does
only come around once a year.
Yeah, definitely.
Tiffany, thank you
Kat (46:41):
so much.
I can't even tell you how much Iappreciate your taking the time
to chat with me today.
It's been so wonderful toconnect
Tiffany (46:48):
Kat.
Thank you.
This is the best.
Kat (46:51):
Yes.
Agreed.
Okay, thanks so much and I willtalk to you soon.
Yay.
Thanks cat.
Bye.
Bye.
Outro (47:00):
So that's this week's episode of how to be creative.
As always, you can find shownotes including a complete
episode transcript and links toeverything
discussed@howtobecreative.org.
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