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June 27, 2025 51 mins

Do we really control fire?


While you're patting yourself on the back for lighting that barbecue, fire has been pulling the strings for 2 million years, reshaping our anatomy, rewiring our brains, and dictating our social structures.


It transformed us from ape-like creatures that had a neat standing trick into the cunning apex predator of the world. Along the way, it upended both ecosystems and gender roles but most importantly, made us human.


The lesser-known of fire is that an individual human is completely dependent on it to survive. Furthermore, Society itself is built on fire and would collapse totally without it


Today, as we face the dawn of AI, we're seeing the same pattern. Fire marked a huge leverage of energy that freed us up to think. AI promises to do our thinking for us, which frees us up for who knows what.


aren't tools we use; they're partners that reshape us from the inside out.


Three takeaways:

  • Transformative technologies change what we are, not just what we do
  • Dependency often disguises itself as control and mastery
  • The biggest innovations create irreversible psychological and social shifts


Ready to understand how fire forged the human mind?



ABOUT

How to Change the World is an independent podcast on a mission.


Written, edited, recorded, and produced entirely by Sam Webster Harris.

(He also makes the music...)


Help from:

  • Francisca Correia does the designs (available to hire)
  • Jeremy Enns is our incredible podcast mentor (available to hire)



References

Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human - Richard Wrangham

A great overview of fire and human anthropology (apes etc...). I can highly recommend listening/watching some of interviews Richard Wrangham on other podcasts (Lex Friedman, Modern Wisdom, Jordan Peterson)


The Pyrocene: How We Created An Age Of Fire - Stephen Pyne

Some good ideas on the different eras of human fire use: Cooking food -> Cooking land -> Cooking the planet.


Fire: The Spark That Ignited Human Evolution - Frances Burton

The insights on the importance of light helped.



Chapters

00:00 Intro: The Role of Fire in Civilization

04:32 First Fire - 500 million years ago

07:56 Humans and fire - ~2 million years ago

10:08 The Discovery of Fire

12:21 Stadium of Grandmothers

13:24 Fire's Influence on Human Biology

15:55 Fire and Human Digestion

18:15 Light and Campfires

20:25 Mealtimes

21:32 Human Birth Woes

23:23 Why Only Humans Mastered Fire

25:55 Fire, Social Structures & Gender Roles

31:15 Adapting to the Information Age

33:17 Fire's Role in Human Expansion - 70,000 years ago

35:09 Terraforming with Fire

38:27 The Industrial Revolution and Fossil Fuel

42:00 The Race for Renewable Energy

43:11 Today - Reflecting on our lessons

44:28 AI: The Next Transformative Force

48:04 Reflections on Fire and the Future

49:06 Premium and Book resources


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