Tape 37 - "Cassettes From Your Dad's Car" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How too many? Now the making of a good
compilation tape. Is a very subtle.
Art many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to. Express how you feel.
This is a delicate thing. You got to kick it off with a
killer grab attention, then you got to take it up enough, then

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you got to. Cool it off a notch and.
There are a lot of rules. We are back.
How to make a mixtape? We're back, bitches.
Here we go. Hey, you're back from across the
pond. Back.
You were not there a long time. Like 4 full days, kind of like 4
1/2 days ish. Yeah, and I had heavy opinions

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on your football experience. Did you?
Yeah. We were chatting about it, so
that pub that you were at is at the stadium.
It's right outside the stadium, yeah.
It's like a local pub is right there, yeah.
And so that TV really doesn't serve a purpose at all.
No, it's just throwing like old highlights, like best of the
team, whatever. There is a band playing in the

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thing. But there is no there's no
situation where if I don't have tickets to the game, I can go
watch the game right across the street in this pub.
No, it's actually they're blacked out locally.
Like the US does that too with some sports where like you can't
watch the game being played locally on TV.
That's kind. Of that's kind of shitty.
It is. I mean, the US does that too and
like I think. I'm saying it's shitty across.
The board, I think it's shitty in this world.

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I think it used to make sense because they wanted to make sure
they sold out games. But you don't have to worry
about selling out any of these games anymore.
They all sell out. Like.
All sports, basically all those major sports sell out now and
then You're just punishing people who couldn't get tickets.
But but yes, yeah, just for the listeners, I I posted a video of
the pub before the Liverpool game.
Everybody's singing and there's a TV on in the background and

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Donnie was like, so nobody's even watching the game.
But then I had to say. For the game and like the game
was going to be played soon and then did you guys sing like
truly madly deeply as you walkedacross the street to the game
like all together I. Mean.
Sorry, no, not necessarily. As we walked over, there's lots

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of singing during the game and stuff A.
Lot of songs. Yeah, like some of them are real
songs, some some of them are aremade-up songs for players and
things. Yeah, I'll work it.
But it was too cold to see it. I mean, had my coat on and
everything, but I really so we that the game was in Liverpool,
but we stayed in Manchester mostof the time this time because
we've we've done Liverpool. We wanted to see what Manchester

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was about and I tagged the shit out of that.
At least portions of that city there.
How to make a mixtape stickers everywhere.
Yeah, fingers crossed we see a boost in European listens.
We'll see. Shout out to Darcy, Ollie and
Neil. I met some guys that like a
menswear store, like a boutique there and we were talking and I
know they listened to the pod prior so no they.

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Were already listeners. No, no, no, no, no, no.
That would have been incredible.No, no, no.
Like we're talking then. Blew my friggin mind.
They instantly went and listenedbecause I went back in there my
last day to spend some more money because I have a clothing
addiction. And they were like, Oh yeah, we
listened. Like as soon as you walked out,
we like put it on. I'm going snowboarding tomorrow,
I'm going snowboarding. Tomorrow.
Yeah. Is that Nick Green's doing

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something with you guys? Yeah, I saw that.
That's that's awesome. About Devil's envious.
Watching a lot more snowboard videos and stuff this year, like
I'm kind of. New shit or old shit?
Jonesing to ride, well, not evenvideos, just like people who
ride, like people posting stuff on Instagram reels and stuff of
them riding and just me wishing I was riding part of us 'cause
it's still like it's we've been getting a lot of snow here and

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stuff and so just being around the curl of work.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh shit, yeah, It snowed all night.
Snowed all day yesterday, all night.
Like whenever there's snow on the ground.
I just wish I was riding. Yeah.
It's true. You looking forward to it, Have
you? When was the last time you
rowed? Have you rowed recently?
20 January 2024. OK.
So it's been a year over a year.And a little over a year got a

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new board excited about that. That's all I need, a new board.
We'll chat, we'll chat after that, we'll chat after the pod.
Are you going to hook me up witha new board?
We'll chat after the pod. What else?
What else was going on with you?It's the we live in fucking Hoth
in Chicago right now. Like I'm just waiting to see a
Taunton run down the road and I'm going to cut that bitch open
and climb inside. I woke up this morning, it was

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two. We just were climbing out of the
cold spell here. But this is like the worst
fucking time of winter, man. You don't have any holidays to
look forward to. Everything cool is over with.
You are just itching to get outside.
Like February 20th fucking sucks.

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Just waiting for spring sucks and it's not coming and.
It's not coming. It's cold.
I want to wash my truck. I want to go outside and play.
And we are a shadow man like he.He warned us, you know I.
Don't believe in fucking groundhogs predicting the
future. Well, he was right.
I mean I. Don't believe in that shit.

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But you've been listening to anything.
Yes, yes, I have been listening to something new.
No, I've only been watching old,but I have been listening to
new. Let me get up here really quick,
quickly and I can tell you what was the new thing.
I listened to Spirit World. Not I'm not familiar.
Dude it is like the best Tex mexbro metal you'll ever hear in

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your life. Tex mex bro Metal?
Yeah, I'm not sure I've heard any Tex mex bro metal in my
life. You're about to it.
It feels kind of like Pantera. OK, I feel you.
Yeah, it's got that. It does have that western that
is the cowboy. It's Cowboy Medal.
Cowboy metal, yeah, but they wear.
There you added some mex in herethough.
Yeah, they wear like very fancy suits.

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OK, yeah, I'm into it like. A lot of embellishment.
Those like those like the fancy cowboy.
Yeah, fancy Cowboys. So yeah, you got to dip your toe
in Spirit World. They got a new album coming out
in March, and then what I'm watching is just old shit in the
midst of bunker down winter time.

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ER you haven't watched ER in thelast 10 years. 15 seasons, 20
episodes a season. Be hooked on that one for a
while. And then I dip my toe back in
the American Shameless. Yeah, I'm ripping through that.
It's background sound. It's fine.
I have trouble with character development in that one, but
it's good. What about you?
Speaking Well, Speaking of watching, we've talked about

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crying on planes before, but I watched, I made the.
Mistake of watching. We live in time.
It's Andrew Garfield and Pew, what's her name?
Florence Pew. And I had a friend say it was
really good and it was worth watching.
It was romantic and I was like, it was on the plane.
I was like, OK, I'll watch them through romantic.

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This is cool. He didn't say It would
absolutely crush me. I had to stop like five times
because I was going to start like, bawling.
Like it was bad. It was hard.
It was a hard watch. It is romantic, but it's also
incredibly sad. It's kind of like from what
you're describing, it feels likeLa La land.
It it don't watch it on a plane like, but once I started it, I'm

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like, well, I'm on this emotional kind of trip now I'm
going to stay on it, but there's.
Somebody let me wait. Hold on.
There's a lot of important pieces that we've left out.
Were you the aisle? Middle window.
I was the IT was one of those big, big international planes.
So it was 9 wide. So I'm a aisle but in the
middle. Oh, that sucks.

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OK. So you're a middle?
Aisle St. was a family with fivechildren who were.
People on both sides. Who were, let's just say they
were being children the entire flight.
Like I'm it, it's, it is what itis.
You're flying with five small children on a six hour, 7 hour
flight. The woman next to me was like
asleep the whole time. So that was good.
And yeah, I had to. I was like crying into my

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Salisbury steak. My airplane Salisbury.
You got a. Full meal.
I've never gotten a meal on a plane.
You will when you fly to Tokyo. It's just like concluded the
price. Yeah.
And then watching and listening.But did you watch the SNL 50
concert? Dude I've seen so many clips and
I want to watch it so bad but I want to like sit down and like
dedicate the time to it. I have not it's long.

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It's long and, and I mean, streaming is nice because you
can skip. There's a couple I just really
didn't care about, so I skipped them.
It's not a quality judgement, which is not my thing.
There were some surprises, so I'm not going to talk about the
surprises if you haven't watchedit.
So the only clip I watched was the Andy Samberg Lady Gaga.
One I watched that, that was probably the second biggest

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highlight of the whole night wasthat one that I don't think they
did enough of the they did. They only did like maybe 3 or 4,
like comedy, music things and that one was fantastic.
What was your number one highlight without giving the
details away? I have to.
What do you mean I have to give the details away?
Just say who's involved. It's all over the Internet so
I'm not spoiling anything. It's Nirvana.
Oh, no, it didn't. Oh, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, yeah, I did see that. Nirvana.
They called it Post Nirvana because Post Malone did.
That's. Right.
Who, by the way, he crushed it. Like, whatever you think about
Post Malone, he crushed. I saw the couple of that.
And it was Nirvana playing againon national television.
It was it was wild streaming television.
There's a couple surprises that I didn't expect and they and
they crushed too. There's a non surprise in that

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Cher looks incredible and sings incredible still like.
Deep, deep pit in my heart for Cher.
I love Cher. So there's a lot of older
musicians on there and they sounded older, and that's not a
knock. That's what happens, you get
older. I was impressed that they could
sing at all some of them. And like Bonnie Raitt sounds a
lot older but she still sounds incredible.
But Cher just straight up still sounds like Cher from the 80s.

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It is insane. I wanna go sing.
I found someone at karaoke with you.
We should. I'm down.
The last one there's other highlights, but I really enjoyed
Robin and David Byrne. So David Byrd of Talking Heads
came out and did a Robin song with Robin and then they they
did a Talking Head song together.
Oh, it's cool, Robin. It's just a a badass.

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You weren't gonna say a badass, You were gonna say a babe,
weren't you? She's a babe too.
She's a badass. Babe, she's a badass babe.
Her and Cher both badass babes. Badass babes.
Anyway, there's a lot to it. You should absolutely watch it.
I. I'm excited to.
Go whether you like SNL or not. Like it's it's, it's very little
comedy. It's mostly just musicians that
were like important through the history of SNL performing.
I feel ya. The Fugees performed too.

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Oh no shit, they were on tour last year?
Well. Let's get into this episode.
This is like the OG. This is the OG.
This is this is officially what started it all.
This is what started it all, so I think we need to get the
guests in so we can talk about that.
Right. Yeah, let's do that.
Let's do that right? Started it all.
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piss great. How to?
Make. Mix tape.
This is the one that started it all.
This is the one that it got everything going.
It is. This was a text chain
originally. This wasn't us an episode.

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Shane, did you make the playlistof these songs that we
originally sent to? I don't.
I don't know that I did, but it was always sort of bubbling
there, like as a ongoing theme. Just as a reminder, because
we've talked about this before, but if people didn't hear we,
the three of us were heavily, well, still are.
I guess there's a new one, but we're heavily into Rob

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Harvilla's 60 songs that explained the 90's.
The last time our guest here, Shane, was on, in fact, we did
songs that we thought Rob missedon that podcast.
And Rob now past, oh, we should say past guest on the show
Parvilla. He now has 60 songs that
explained the 90s column, the 2000s.
But we were highly into that show.
And Shane, you sent the text, right?

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We were texting a lot about the show and at some point it came
up. Like I texted Shane originally
and said, Shane, if you're not listening to this podcast, 60
Songs that Explain the 90s, you need to stop whatever you're
doing and start listening to this right now.
And within two days, Shane had listened to like the 8 episodes
that were out and was like, yeah, we're good.
We're good for the foreseeable future.

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And so then the text exchange between Shane and I started.
And then quickly thereafter, I was like, Roderick, this is the
podcast for all of us. And so then we started the
three-way chat. And then in a van, I decided it
would be really fun to create a podcast about making mixtapes.
Yes, and the first topic, the topic that was used as an

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example was is today's. Is today's theme.
Which Shane? We always let the guest announce
it. So what's today's theme?
Today's theme. Is songs from tapes that were in
your dad's car or truck. Really specific.
But I'm really, I'm really committed to the specificity of
of this. I am too, although I can't, I

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can't remember. I was a little too young before
CD switched. There's some of these I remember
being taped specifically, and there are some that had to have
been, absolutely had to have been because the amount we
listened to them. Yeah, I tried to be the same,
Shane. I tried to be like, yes, this
was a tape in my dad. Like I, I, I did the did my list
and and prepping for this and itwas like there are things that

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remind me of my dad probably more that they were records that
were played at home and they were records that we had on LP
or we had on CD and it was I have distinct memories of the
home stereo. This is like these were car like
an only car. Cassettes, it's it's funny to go
back like I follow some car Instagrams, you know, or

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whatever and you see like those restorations of like antique
cars and they show the cassette deck of like the buttons, the
knobs for the volume. And it's like I can feel that
click. I can feel that Fast forward
click and I want that back. Yeah, somebody was talking
recently, I don't, I don't remember what it, what it was a

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podcast or what the format was, but they were talking about that
idea of the tactile experience of moving knobs and and pushing
buttons and actually choosing a car based on having that and not
having a touch screen. And like I want that experience
of things that click and things that click into place and go on
and off and and that sort. Of at times and you have to, or

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you know, the spot to hit your dashboard to get the thing to
kick on honestly, right. There's all those like, because
you're dealing with like real mechanisms and not a computer.
So yeah, I mean, we probably allgrew up our first cars all had
cassette decks in them, right? Like my, like, I, I mean, we had
to plug the tape converter with the cord in it that just ate the

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cord eventually because it dropsit down and yeah, in the Cass.
I don't know the whole thing. That plugged into the aux cord
of the discman that the passenger had to hold hold
hands. Had to hold or you got Velcro
and Velcroed it to your console like me.
But nobody's ever in my car. I didn't have friends.

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So Shane did your dad, Shane andDonnie I guess, did your dad's,
were they big album guys? Like did they have a lot of
cassettes and albums and then CDs and stuff?
And is that how you consumed music when you were a kid?
Was through your parents album collections?
Yeah, sort of thinking through this process for this episode, I
was really exploring sort of my own musical journey and where

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that came from and where those what those influences are.
And my dad was my dad was a huge1 like you, you take in music
from older siblings or friends or sort of you look up people
you look up to in your peer community.
But it was my mom had a specifickind of music.
My dad had a specific kind of music.

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And he was he was for sure the the tape head and he was just a
fan of of songs and well writtencraft of music.
What about you, Danny? So dad, So my dad, he wasn't a
cheap guy, he was a cheap guy. My dad was a cheap guy.
And so the best move to get the most music was to buy the
greatest hits. So dad had a lot of artists

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greatest hits. And I think that three of my
four songs are from my memory ofthe greatest hits cassettes of
the bands where I remember the song order of the greatest hits,
I don't remember the song order of the actual album.

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You know what, I didn't think about it, but two of mine, maybe
even 3 of mine, are also greatest hits.
I think what it was for me was my dad had a pretty big record
collection from when he was in college and vinyl out of vinyl.
Yeah, like, like, and he kind ofdidn't like, it was like a
special treat when I could convince him to let me listen to
records in the house. Like it was just, it became a

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thing that was no longer convenient, but he kept them.
And I think just like probably alot of people our parents age
when it came to, yeah, you can call it cheap, but it's also
practical. It's like, I already have albums
one through 5 from this band andnow I'm not going to buy the
cassette tapes for them again. I'm going to buy the greatest
hits for my car. And then CDs came.

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So then it was the same. And it got to the point where my
dad, even though he had a lot of, I remember going through his
tape storage thing after he no longer kept tapes in the car.
They were then in his like office or whatever.
My dad had a really nice stereo,but we never listened to any of
the physical media. My dad was a radio guy.
My dad had his stations and would put on the radio and it
was the same music that he owned.

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I think my dad liked the varietyof it.
I think my dad liked the shufflekind of thing that you get on
the radio. So it was kind of a, it was Rd.
trips where we would listen to cassettes or CDs where he would
let me control and pick what I wanted to listen to from his
collection. Or when we were very young, I
think he listened to stuff. But my dad was just a big radio
guy, so except with Christmas music, he owned about a

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gajillion Christmas tapes and then a gajillion Christmas CDs.
Yeah. But yeah, are we going to see
that reflected? Today I didn't know spoiler
earlier today. No, I can confidently say we had
two Christmas episodes. I'm, I'm, I'm good, I'm good
until next year. I did send Donnie.
I don't know if he remembers I sent him a either a video or a
photo of my dad's Christmas CD collection.

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It was only like. It.
Was only like half of them too. And it was just like layers on
the shelf, like two or three layers of deep wide of just
Christmas CD's. My post holiday burnout is gone
and I'm starting to like want the Christmas spirit again.
It took a while this year. I was still post holiday burned
out through like the beginning of February.

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We're now it's like I started tothink about Christmas and I'm
like, I want Christmas. Back.
I'm not here yet. January 18th I was like, I'm
good. I need warmth.
I need some heat in my life first.
Yeah. You've got that Smith's Slash
Twin Peaks shirt on. I was just in Manchester.
Smith's Morrissey shit everywhere, dude.

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Yeah, I can confidently say thatthey are.
They love their Manchester basedbands there.
There was. I saw the pictures of the
Gallagher brothers everywhere and The Smiths, mostly
Morrissey, all over the place. Like you could buy sticker packs
of The Smiths at like every little side store.
I don't know where I'm going with that.

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I just you wore that. You wore that shirt on the
perfect day because I still haveManchester on the mind a little
bit. That's.
Awesome I was we I was talking with a friend last night that we
our family movie last night was sister act and.
I got a text. From a friend, I got a text from
a friend who was finishing revving up season 1 of Twin
Peaks. And this this came in sort of
simultaneously and I was like, this is a funny moment because

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these might be the only two pieces of media ever created
where like young rebellious teens in the 90s, for whatever
reason, are drawn in 50s Doo wopmusic.
There's like this scene where they're singing some girl group
song in the church. And these these like kids out on

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the street, these toughs out on the street are like, what's that
sound? Let's go into this church.
Let's become people of God through this 50s do.
Yeah. I thought this was unique to the
Twin Peaks universe, but this this happens in.
Yeah, although in Twin Peaks it's all very haunting.

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Totally. There's like a whole motorcycle
gang culture. To it, Yeah, read the rules.
All do a fast rules reading #1 Killer opening tract #2 Songs
flowing smoothly into each other#3 The balance of genres, tempos
and moods #4 We're telling the story of our dad's cars here in
our musical upbringing. 5 can't be too obvious but can't be up

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too too obscure, unless that's the theme.
You can't double up on songs by the same artist, and you gotta
close with something that leavesthem wanting more.
There you go. That's the fastest I've done it
yet, Don. Yeah, that was timing me on this
going forward. He was calling you forward with
his reactions to going. Oh, I could kind of hear.

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I couldn't see because I was reading.
But I appreciate that, Don. Yeah.
Shane, you want to go first? 2nd, I'm adding songs to my
honorable mentions right now. Actually, some of this might
make its way. Keep going I'll.
Go third. All right, so I'm first.
So it's me, Don. Oh, OK.
Let me get a fresh post it pad here.
Me, Don, Shane. I'm Don Shane.

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Cool Roderick, your first choice.
I'm kind of just going in. I guess order only matters if
I'm thinking about steals here, so let me think.
We're not stealing shit. Nobody's stealing shit.
Yeah, probably not. I probably don't have to worry
about Then I'll go in order of the stuff I think I heard the
most. OK, well least now do the least
and then build up to track 4, make it and then give us the

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fireworks. Do your.
Things first. Yeah.
OK. I'll do that.
Do your reactions. Well, this is for the listeners.
Do my? Do your reactions.
There you go. There we go.
OK, I I remember, I remember my dad listening to this but the
least. But what I do remember is I
remember holding this cassette the most.

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Like this is the physical objectcassette that I remember looking
at the most, and when I tell youwho it is, you'll know why
because it all has to do with the album cover and the
packaging. But the artist is going to be
Meatloaf and the song is going to be Paradise by the dashboard
light. Great song and great album

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artwork, so. My dad is a musical, a musicals
guy. He's a musical theater guy, so
listening to rock rock opera makes sense.
You know, he was a Queen fan as well.
I don't. Again, I don't remember him
getting crazy to Meatloaf but hewould sing along with it when it
was on and he owned both Bat outof Hell and.
Bat out of hell to. Back into hell and so you know,

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he had this cassette and obviously enjoyed it.
I remember I remember asking to listen to it because I thought
it was going to I my memory is Iasked to listen to it because it
was looked edgy and scary and did.
You want to be a little bit of abad boy, Rob.
I I think I did. Or, or at least I wanted a toy
with it in the comfort of my ownhome with my parents there.
But then you put this on and, and it's not that at all.

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It's it's bad boy cosplay, teenage angst cosplay.
It's just like between peaks thing like it's real safe but it
look but. He's wearing a leather jacket
and like photos and stuff, but it's it's basically Doo wop
meets Elvis style rock'n'roll meets meets opera and

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storytelling. And just we're going to go park
out here and, and I'm the biggest strife in life is if
it's OK to go to third base or not or are we going to go all
the well, we might go all the way tonight.
Like it's just, it's so just like building this thing up on a
pedestal. It's just teenage angst music,
but for musical theater people and all that.

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I mean, it's a compliment. I think you guys know that too.
Like it's fantastic. It's weird.
It it's kind of weird that this got as big as it did.
I always think that when I listen to Meatloaf, not because
the songs are bad, they're not, they're fantastic.
But the world in which these albums become like platinum
selling albums doesn't feel liketoday's world at all.
It feels like it only happens ina world where you don't not to

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be a Dick, but where you don't know what meatloaf looks like
and you don't know what if this is a real band or not.
Because they weren't a real band.
Some other guy wrote this stuff and found a guy to perform it
right. Jim Steinman.
So yeah. It's it's interesting to like I
became a huge fan of Jim Steinman, like in my deepest

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punk rock phase, like ironically, hey, I'm going to
listen to Bonnie Tyler, air supplier, Meatloaf and and all
of this stuff. But the songs are killer.
And there's something that's unapologetically over the top
about about the way that he constructs these mini rock

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operas. They just will last forever.
It's a great one. Yeah, I I don't remember the
first Milaf album as much as I do remember Back into Hell.
I don't remember bat out of hellas much as I remember back into
hell, but I mean that's probablylike my dad was listening to
much meatloaf and then I remember the single I would do

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anything for love, but I won't do that just being massive.
Yeah, I mean, that's the biggestsong, which is off the second
one, but the other big songs areall off that first one.
So Paradise by the Dashboard light, Bat out of Hell, 2 out of
three ain't bad. Those are all off of Bat Out of
Hell. So I think it had the bigger
impact in hits. But then he had A at least one
massive hit on the second one, which kept him obviously huge.

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So yeah, I don't know. Did they come out consecutively
or was there something in the middle?
I don't think there. Was in the middle.
Was it the middle? Yeah, the. 1980s yeah.
So there were multiple things. Dead Ringer, The 1980's The Last
Sound. Perfectly delivered, Shane.
Yeah, yeah. Well, cuz Back into Hell came
out in 93. Yeah, which is wild to think

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about that that came out in 93. Did you guys all have a dad's
friend that looked a little bit like meatloaf?
Yeah, kind of I think so it. Was like a dad's friend that
kind of gave off a little meatloaf vibes.
And he was probably, he was probably way into KISS.
Oh yeah, for sure. Another one of those bands that
doesn't sound like their look atall, like Destroyer, maybe one

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of the top, probably top five album covers of all time in my
opinion. But you think they're going to
be like a death metal band and they're it's not at all like
they're singing Beth, which Bethis a great and it's not on that
album. I know that, but I I went fully
soft. But they're I had a great
fucking song. But man, there's nothing to do
with what they look like. And then last thing is just

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props to meatloafs just in general as like not just a
singer, but like he leans into the theater of it.
All right, I mean, Rocky Horror Picture Show one, he's one of my
favorites in that, like I love his character in that.
Just again, it it needed the songs to be big, but it also
kind of needed Meatloaf's voice and the way he sings and his

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attitude about the whole thing and taking it seriously There,
there we go. Pick #1 All right.
I'm going to do Hometown Pride. This was one of those ones that
I remember specifically from thegreatest hits, and it's a band
called the Buckinghams. You guys familiar with the
Buckingham's? The Buckingham's were a
Midwestern thing, Shane, so I'm not surprised that they didn't
really stumble across your in your direction.

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They were from Chicago. They were probably the
equivalent of local H in the 60sand 70s where like they were
really big in Chicago and they made it out there a little bit.
And so the song is called kind of a drag.

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When your baby says goodbye. Kind of a dread When you feel
like you want to cry. It is kind of this weird

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transition out of The Beatles and into like a little bit more
gritty, less produced, last finished pop music.
And like they kind of go throughthis weird psychedelic music
phase. If you listen to some of their
songs, they have like these weird breakdowns at the end.
So like end of The Beatles, beginning of the Buckingham's

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made a lot of sense. And this was just a fucking
Longton household family staple.Like right now me and my sister
will sing the songs in order from the greatest hits
exclusively. Every word.
The cassette was in rotation heavily and they were just,
they're just a good pop, psychedelic rock band from late

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60s, early 70s and from Chicago.So I'm sure they played like all
of the local area festivals, youknow, the the carnival type
fests that came through Chicago.So I'm sure that's where my dad
started listening to him. But they're pretty badass.
Like, they're pretty frigging good for what they are.
Horn Section 2. So that's a different that's
another kind of layer on the sound.

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But yeah, it is. I I know this song.
Mercy, mercy, mercy. Oh yeah, I know that song.
I don't know. King of a drag.
Kind of a drag I. Wonder if my dad had this
because it this this album coverlooks really familiar.
And I mean, Indiana went to my dad went to school in Michigan.
He easily could have come acrossthis stuff.
Yeah, your dad definitely spent some time with the Buckingham.

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'S I think he did. I think he did.
I hope, I hope. That you nailed the sound
though, that that's exactly whatthey sound like.
Like coming out of The Beatles, but still a little bit of that
Beatles stuff. But then yeah, horns too.
Yeah, a little less finish than The Beatles.
Like they're like almost like a kind of a grungy coming out of
The Beatles type thing and a little bit leaning more into the
psychedelic stuff, but they're friggin rad.

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They're really good. They're playing in DeKalb.
Of course they are. On May 18th, this.
I was going to say before you said they're playing in DeKalb
on May 18th, I was like, this isthere's a little bit of a junk
candy and home alone like you ever heard of it where you know,
Big and Sheboygan, Sheboygan kind of ads.
Yeah, sort of a good hit for us.Yeah, I've.

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Never. I've never heard of this.
I'm excited to check it out, but.
Yeah, I like the local band. That's.
Fantastic. That's part of Chicago.
I mean they like kind of a driver's got 6,000,000 listens.
So it's. Small.
They're still averaging 65,000 monthly listeners, which is
pretty bananas. I like the local H comparison

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though, because again, I know they had that really big
nationwide hit, but being from Indiana, they would play in
India all the time and I was a big local H fan being like a
Midwest guy, so like I thought they were bigger than they were.
There's two people in that band,right?
Yeah. Local H Quick sidebar.
Local H, the singer of Local H and the singer of Smoking Popes
just put out a new song like a couple of days ago.

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Wow, that OK tackles a lot of like current state of politics
and it's it's called allegiance.Throw it on in the background.
It's pretty friggin gnarly, likecoming from those two dudes.

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I pledge allegiance to. Even though the singer of Local
H is like a well known jerk. Yeah.
But give it a whirl, right? It's my first pick.
Sheamus, over to you, OK. I'm going to start.
I'm going to start at start at the heart and work out.

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Please be a heart song. Please be a heart song.
Please be a heart song. No, I'm not choosing the Seattle
band I'm going to go with. That's The Way That the World
Goes Round by John Bryant. I was crying.
Ice cubes open out croak. When I sunken through the window
the ice all broke. I still love and laugh.
Thought it was a joke. It's the.

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Way that the world. Goes round, that's the way that
the world goes round. The up one day, the next you
down. It's a happening at your water.
You think you're going to drown.That's the way that the world
goes round. Off the live record from 1988.

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That's another thing is I workedthrough this I found myself
going to live records a lot and I didn't realize that before I
started going through songs. This is it was the live record
that we had on tape in the truckand it's the there's a the
cartoon cover of him with the guitar and all the cartoon
bodies sort of a Keith Herring looking thing.

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And I can make an argument that John Prine was the greatest
American songwriter and is just summarizes my dad's take on
music and craft of music, which is there's a there's a poetry to
it of intelligence dressed up aspre-K humor.

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There is a sweetness and a just a humanity and an empathy to the
songs. And this, this particular live
version of this song has one of the most charming stories ever.
I won't spoil it or wait till the the mixtape plays back, but
it's just an incredible live moment from an incredible
storyteller. My dad passed away in 1999, so

(35:56):
20, 26 years ago. And when, when John Prine died
in 2020, it was like I lost my dad again.
And I didn't, I didn't anticipate that.
But the, the night he died, I like, I was in this room
actually, I broke down in tears like, like I had lost my dad
again. And I didn't, I didn't think

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about that connection and, and what that meant and how often my
music was on until that night. But it's it's something that's
so personal and so, so connectedto me.
So that's the way that the worldgoes Round by by John Prine
Life. That's beautiful.
Yeah, that's really great. I didn't become familiar with
John Prine's music until much later in life, and I think a lot

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of people are that way, too. It's like if you, unless you
were in the know, you didn't know.
But he's one of those like your favorite songwriters?
Favorite songwriter? Yeah, the.
Tom Petty's and the Bob Dylan's and the Johnny Cash's of the
world. They were listening to John
Prine to learn how to write songs.
Totally, totally. And I think even today, I think
people like Jason Isbell, like this is who I listen to.

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I. Like Sturgill Simpson and Billy
Strings and these guys are like covering John Prine songs.
Yep. And, and I think, I think
there's something that is just like I said, it's universal
humanity and just there's something that's so simple and
but drills into something that you're that is really intimate.

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Well, that's lovely. That's really good.
I love live albums. I love live albums, so to hear
that like you had live albums pretty early on, Shane, that's
that's pretty rad. I was I didn't even think about
it as a live album thing, but but I apparently they were
everywhere for me. Like I I've never been a huge
live album guy because I'm a shuffle guy and I want I want to
put stuff in a mix that has sortof a similar Sonic quality.

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But there's some there's some really good ones and I kept
coming back to them here in in this project I'm.
I'm only I'm not not a live album guy.
I'm only a live album guy or a long song live song guy.
If I I feel like the liveness adds a new layer or something
different or makes me hear a song in a different way, which

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but a lot of them do. There's a lot of good ones that
do. There's entire albums that do
that. And then there's entire live
albums that I'm like, this is pointless.
This is just another way to sella record because I'm just
hearing the same songs over and over with some crowd noise on
it. But this sounds like you can
hear. You can almost feel like you're
in a coffee shop or a small clublistening to this.

(38:28):
It sounds personal. You can almost hear the clinks
of like dishes and things there which gives it like a crazy
intimacy level which is definitely adding something to
for me for sure. I love that.
Roderick, back over to you, buddy.
All right, very different direction here.
What? Was Papa?
What was Papa Deer listening to?Yeah, well, so I, I, I did
double check my work a little bit with my with my mom because

(38:51):
I didn't want my I should have just asked my dad, but I almost
didn't want him to know that I was going to be talking about
him on this episode. So we can just listen to it.
But I was like, mom, what would dad say is for most listen to
like bands or artists? Sorry, I just want to confirm.
And I will say I fucking I didn't nail it.
So that's good. You did nail it.
I did this one, This one felt like a stretch to me, but then I

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was confirmed by my mom, so it'sBilly Joel now.
I think the song that most represents my dad is not the one
I'm going to put on the mix tape, but that's more for the
mix tape rules and trying to make sure there's a mix here.
So, but I will call it out. My dad would love to drum along
to and sing along to. It's still rock'n'roll to me,
like just straight up the middlethrowback rock'n'roll stuff, but

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I'm picking. She's always a woman to me.
And she'll promise you more thanthe Garden of Eden, and she'll
carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleeding.
But you'll bring out the best and the worst you can be.
Blame it all on yourself. Because she's always a woman to

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me. I do know my dad loved the Billy
Joel, like ballad piano stuff a lot.
My dad was just a car singer. He sang along with everything
and he had a way better voice than me.
And so he's the one that made methink I could sing without
knowing that I can't because I can't hold a tune.

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But my dad could. And he would always harmonize
singing in the car. So I would always kind of have a
different vibe for these types of songs because I almost got
like harm like a duet, kind of not a duet, but like he'd be
harmonizing along with Billy on this kind of stuff.
My, you know, he had his preferences, but he definitely
wasn't 1 dimensional and he would, he enjoyed a nice piano

(40:38):
ballad a lot. And I think this represents that
well. I mean, I think at the core of
my dad just liked anything that felt like old rock'n'roll that
wasn't old rock'n'roll. It's like this is a call back to
old rock'n'roll, but then also just really appreciate
musicianship. I think you'll see that in my
other pics too. Is like he was a musician.
He played multiple instruments and I anything that like

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displayed like high level musicianship.
He was all about it. And so like Billy Joel's pretty
proficient, highly proficient piano player and singer.
So I don't know if my dad ever saw him live, which would have
been an interesting thing. I don't think he did.
Maybe he did. I never had to see Billy Joel
live though. I'd love to go to Madison Square
Garden. See Billy Joel is.
She still doing it. I was going to say that we we
talked about that on not that long ago that I watched that on

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a plane, which was a great watch.
Is he still doing his residency there?
I don't know. I don't know that he's doing the
residency thing but I think he is still playing live.
But I could be wrong. I I think I read that he ended
that residency though. Yeah, I thought that was, I
thought he did the like big finale, like I'm not doing shows
anymore. I know he did something about
100th. Show right, but I don't know if
he ended it after that. You know like he's Billy Joel is

(41:46):
such an interesting one because dudes first album came out in
1971 and is still doing a residency, not like some fucking
Bush league club in Vegas. He's selling out Madison's
Madison Square Garden 100 times in a row.
Like I is there somebody else that still has that staying
power? I there, I mean, there are we

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talked about Cher in the intro. We talked about like there's
these people that you, I think it's two things you can do that
if, if one, you have a catalogueof hits that's big enough to
keep drawing people in and letting and they can sing along
to it and they just want to hearyou do it.
And then two, you have to be a great fucking performer.
It used to be so great to watch live that it draws people in.
Even if you're way old and haven't had a hit maybe in

(42:30):
years, that doesn't matter because I've got this catalogue
and you're going to want to see me do this.
Yeah, and Billy Joel is an extreme example of that, like
where you're he has a Volume 3 to his greatest hits that has
plenty of hits on it. And and you have he has areas of
music that people are connected to, which brings up two things

(42:50):
for me. One is that incredible joke.
Is it step brothers where there's.
The. Yeah, that's an incredible joke.
But he has an, the other thing he has is an identity that's
connected to a place. And, and so I don't think Billy
Joel could sell out in arena in Los Angeles 100 minutes in a

(43:12):
row. But there is a, there is a place
where he can. And I, I think that's really
valuable and really not a distinct.
Yeah, there's a there's a New Yorkness at his core, right?
That makes sense that he could sell that out.
I mean, what what was his last was?
I'm trying to see what his last hit was.
So river. Probably the river in 1990. 3.

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Is is the last one I can. I mean, he put out an album in
2005 that probably didn't. He did.
He went and he was like, I'm going to do show tune stuff and
I'm going to write that's. Right.
Broadway stuff for a while and then I'm going to then there's.
Also that there's that Broadway musical that just used his
songs, which keeps him right, like he has.
There have been things that justkept him relevant over the

(43:57):
years, too. So that probably helps.
Don, to your point. Yeah.
New generations of people discovering his music in
different ways. Yeah.
Fall Out, Boy. Yeah, there you go.
Great. Call good one fantastic.
I just now that you mentioned itwith the Buckingham's for my
first pick rod, I'm realizing that I guess my dad liked the
little horn centric music and I didn't realize it.

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And do you think that this is where my Scott roots are
planted? Quite possible because my dad
listen. To so much music.
Before. Because my next choice is going
to be the song Spinning Wheel byBlood, Sweat and Tears.
Someone is waiting just for you.Spinning wheels, Spinning crew.

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Drop all your troubles by the Riverside.
Catch a painted pony on the spinning wheel ride.
Yeah, great. One, and as we are getting ready
for this, there were originally eight members in blood, sweat
and tears, OK? So you got to assume your front

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four and then a four piece horn session section.
Now there's currently 12 membersin blood, sweat and tears, OK?
At one point in time, they transitioned from 8 members to
nine members. What do you think?
And also the nine that are current, I'm sorry, the 12 that
are currently performing, no original members.
There is not a single original member of Blood, Sweat and

(45:31):
Tears. How many past members of the
bland Blood, Sweat and Tears have there been?
And this is, and it's going to go deeper than this.
Are you counting like Killer Beeaffiliates?
Like so this. Is just Wikipedia other artists

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that have played as members of Blood, Sweat and Tears, Roderick
says. 35 Shane, you want to throw something out there?
I'll go, I'll go under. I'll go 28. 156 There have been
156 different members of Blood Sweat.

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And tears. It gets deeper, one of which,
going back to the best bass lines, talking about Rob
Harvilla again, was Jaco Pistorius for a while.
Jaco Pistorius played bass for them for a while.
And the keyboard player currently and since the 70s who
left and came back is the fucking keyboard player.

(46:35):
A Wii? What?
Yes, the keyboard player of Blood, Sweat and Tears is now
the keyboard player of Ween and has helped write most of Ween's
music. Unreal.
He's he does spinning wheel as his day job and and at night he
plays. Spinal meningitis has got me
down. Or Bananas and Blow.

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And here's The thing is that I couldn't imagine sitting down
and listening to Blood, Sweat and Tears with my dad and then
be like, hey, man, you ever heard of the band Ween?
Let's start a Ween album, dad and making my dad sit down and
listen to a Ween album. But I can't believe as I got
into this, how long this has been going on with the band

(47:19):
blood, sweat and tears and they're fucking awesome.
You know, they're they're great.You know, they, I think they
would be kind of they'd fall in like that blue eyed soul type
genre, you know? That late 60s like white white
guy psychedelic roots doing Blues and soul mates.
Which I love for sure. So it's so fucking good.

(47:40):
But like, again, blood sweat andtears, greatest hits.
I can I can vividly picture the greatest hits album cover and no
sure as shit like this cassette was going to make its way in if
we were in Dad's Chevy. Record of this in my collection
from my dad, like the I can picture this is the wood, it's
the wood block cover, right? Yeah, it's fantastic, a great

(48:04):
song too. Just this is a killer, killer
song. Yeah, great track.
Fucking song. It takes a weird turn at the end
of the song, but like. Every.
I love that in a song, man. And the the more horns there
are, the more likely you are to have a separate movement and a
pop song, you know what I mean? Like, you're just gonna take a
turn or we're gonna intro a songwith a one minute long intro

(48:24):
that has nothing to do with the rest of the song.
That kind of a thing. So yeah, again, like I I just
like this is summertime Chicago music for for little fat Donnie
riding around in Dan Chevy Blazer for sure riding home from
football practice. And I love that this greatest
hits came out in 72. What were you gonna ask Ron?
Who was the original singer? Like was he in other stuff too?
He looks so familiar. Do I just know him from Blood,

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Sweat and Tears 'cause that doesn't seem they didn't have
that many like big hits. No, their big hits to members
ratio is the lowest in history. Yeah, not a lot of.
It's got to be. Hits to members?
Yeah, for sure. David.
David Clayton Thomas was his name.
Oh, also another singer for Blood, Sweat and Tears for a

(49:07):
while. You might know him from his
American Idol debut. Bo Bice was the singer for
Blood, Sweat and Tears for a while, obviously.
Wow, OK, yeah, I know that theirsecond biggest hit on here and
probably other songs, but You'veMade Me So Very Happy was
written and composed by Berry Gordy to bring it back to our
last episode. Little Motown.
Yeah, Yeah. That's great.

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But yeah, all right, let's went into your making their way.
Yeah. All right, Shane all.
Right, we're going to go choice #2 connected to the live album
experience, but not from the live album.
We're going to go with the opening track from Paul Simon's
Rhythm of the Saints record for the Obvious Child.

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We had a lot of fun, had a lot of money.
We had a. Little Sun Bob called Sunny.
Sunny gets married and goes away.
Sunny has baby. The drums on this record, the

(50:18):
the machine gun snare, like I was thinking about, I was just
listening to this track over andover and over again, like a
snare like nowhere else in recorded music.
It's like someone's like here inyour bedroom.
Like there's this, where do we get this snare drum from?
Like it's so tight. Almost sounds like Lars drums

(50:41):
on. Yes, Oh, on that blown out
record. Yeah, saying anger.
Yes, there it is. If I'm choosing my favorite
version, it's the version of theLive in Central Park record.
He opens that set, that double disc album, Live in Central Park
with the Obvious Child, and you get the extra drum solo, drum
fill part on the on the live record.

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But that was a home. That was a home album.
The Rhythm of the Saints was in the car.
We had the tape of Graceland in the car too.
Graceland went to me and it became associated with my yellow
sports Walkman more than my dad's car.
Rhythm of the Saints was firmly in the car and this is such a
such a killer opening track. This was Rhythm of the Saints

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wasn't the record that Gracelandwas like top to bottom, but it
it had a couple moments on it and this is this is one of them
is just such a great opener. This is the era of Paul Simon
that I feel like Vampire Weekendlistens to a lot.
Like like a lot, or at least whoever writes songs for Vampire
Weekend does this is also this song is kind of like a little

(51:45):
bit like the Tusk moment where it feels like it's probably not
recorded with this probably doesn't have the gimmick of
actually having a marching band in it, but it has that marching
band drumline. Singing it does.
It does. And Tusk is a funny comparison
too, because it was so that record was sort of shit on when
it came out because it wasn't rumors and it wasn't like we got

(52:07):
huge on this thing. We we brought this like South
African rhythmic music and made it and popularized it in
America, combined it with singer-songwriter stuff.
Can we do that again? And this record falls, falls a
little flat in that sense. Maybe I'm getting a little corny
here though, but this being the opening track on this album and

(52:29):
it being a cassette, you get thethe audible sound of opening up
a plastic case, squeaky, click, click, click, inserting a
plastic cassette into a plastic cassette player, click, click,
click button, push into that snare sound and drums.
That's a lot of percussive audiosensations happening all at once

(52:50):
in the car. Yeah, a fan of that.
I was thinking about this and itwas like, you know, I'm already
sequencing my tape based on whatI know.
And I was like, I can't imagine opening with anything other than
this unless one of you guys chooses welcome to the jungle.
But This is why isn't that cool?This is it.
Well, I definitely haven't provided any openers yet.
I might next, we'll see, but this would be a great opener.

(53:14):
Very confident. This would be a great opener
though. Check out the big.
Check out the. Big brand of Brad, Yeah.
All right, well, you can pull Leonor and sequence it as though
it's a side A and a side B of a cassette tape.
And so. #7 is actually number one of side B, but I'm going to
kind of your, your homeland, Donand this again, I'm going to
kind of in reverse order of my dad's favorites at this point

(53:36):
and dad's favorite. Is going to be #4 did you say
Chicago? Yeah, it's Chicago, and it's 25
or 6 to 4:00. Waiting for the breakup.

(54:07):
Day I could pick about any Chicago song.
Not a direct steel, but a steel for sure.
A steel. I mean, my dad just absolutely
obsessed with Chicago. I own far too many Chicago
Chicago albums. I own many of them in duplicate
because he somehow had duplicates because he also
bought the greatest hits and then the box sets of the albums

(54:28):
he already owned. He had a bunch of cassettes.
He I just visually remember thatfirst greatest hits, Chicago
greatest hits with the the painting of them painting or the
photo of them painting Chicago and falling off the whatever it
is. And again, my dad was a trumpet
player and a drummer, so anything with horns he loved.
But he just loves guitar music. And this has all of it.

(54:49):
This has the horn stuff, but it has Terry casts like has that
amazing guitar. Tone.
Riff and solo. And like that crazy like drum

(55:11):
part that like almost like the double kick thing in there
really quick song just feels so fucking cool.
It's big, just such a. Cool song.
I don't know what else to say about It's one of my all time
favorite, one of my all time favorite songs.
And a lot of that's because my dad listened so much Chicago.
I just love Chicago still holds a really big place in my heart.
I could have predict like eight other songs of Chicago that

(55:34):
would have been on there. My dad would listen to 80s
Chicago, but my dad was a 6070 Chicago guy.
Like yeah, if you look at Spotify, their biggest songs are
all their 80s ones because I they turn into pop stars in the
80s. Yeah, for sure, Peterson.
Got involved and those songs aregorgeous and everything, but
they're not. That's not what Chicago is.
To me. Chicago was a pop band.
Chicago was a like almost like apsychedelic rock, but almost

(55:54):
like the Buckingham's a little bit.
Not The Beatles side though. They were Jimi Hendrix meets
jazz like Jimi Hendrix meets bigband, you know what I mean?
I don't think people think of them my.
Song was gonna be Does anybody? It was gonna be.
Does anybody really know what time it is?
That was my that. Was the other one.
That was the other one I was debating between.
Yeah, that was my, that was my Chicago song.
Yeah, that's off Chicago one, right?

(56:14):
That's off of Chicago Transit Authority.
Yeah. So is this isn't it?
Yeah, this is these are like their first two breakout hits.
I don't know. I could keep talking about
Chicago and my desk, and I saw Chicago twice with him.
Well, whatever version they weretouring with at the time, you
know, like two or three originalmembers.
Good call. It's a great call.

(56:34):
It's like, you know, it's funny because is Chicago our dad's dad
rock, whereas like Creed and Nickelback is technically dad
rock now. I could see that that that hurts
me in the heart to hear that because I love them so much.
But if I'm being objective, it might be because like they only
got they only got into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after an
intense multi year campaign to their fans and the fan vote

(56:56):
finally got them in when the when only after the Hall of Fame
added that as an option where fans could pick A1 band a year
is like a fan vote vote thing. And they like they did not shy
away from campaigning for themselves to be in it, which is
pretty cringy. Fuck that dad rock behavior.
But I love, I don't care. I love their fucking music so.

(57:17):
Yeah, right. So that was a direct steal of
mine. I'm on my third choice, so that
means I'm pulling something fromthe honorable mentions.
And I love all three of my honorable mentions.
So this is tough to say. And I think I'm going to do Bob
Seger night. Moves working on a night move
trying to make some front page. Good one.

(57:58):
Yeah, like I had like I could picture.
Did you did your parents have a lot of friends that were not
relatives, but you call them your aunt and uncle?
Like my, my parents had a ton offriends that were like, my Uncle
George was not my was not my blood uncle, but he was like my
dad's high school friend. So he was my Uncle George,
Right. And that was just what you
always called Uncle George. And like, I can so vividly

(58:21):
remember like they lived in another Chicago suburb.
Like drive it like this song speaks so much to like driving
to Uncle George's house to like for dad to hang out with Uncle
George listening to Bob Seger. And it had to be night moves,
right? Like it couldn't have been any
other Bob Seger song. But yeah, it's got some other
bangers. But yeah, it's probably the.

(58:42):
Best. For sure, and I I again like I
just remember like this being the music, like I was getting a
glimpse into their like late teens, early 20s, spending time
with dad and Uncle George, listening to Bob Seger, which
was their jam, you know. So it was cool to like now
reflecting as an adult back on those moments to say this is

(59:04):
that moment for them. Feels good to have been a part
of that of like, you know, old dudes live and relive in the
glory days. Like, I guess kind of what is
that what this podcast is? Are we fucking?
Weird, that's. Absolutely.
What? This is shit did.
You not already know that like. No, man.
It's 90% that at like 10%, like musical analysis and cultural

(59:26):
commentary, but that's like 90%.Just let's let's sit around
remembering some stuff, yeah? We're only a couple years away
from senior coffees at the McDonald's at 5:30.
Aren't we sure? Remember the Hardees?
I'm having my coffee, right? Now the Hardees, yeah.
Don, I think my dad and your dadcould have been musical friends,
at least. I don't know enough about the
personalities, but they could have.

(59:48):
They could have. They could have been at the same
party. They easily clicked that they
liked the same music and startedtalking music all night.
You know, they could have been Shane and I, that party, me, you
and Chris standing on the side of a party, not hanging out with
anybody, just talking about whatis grunge and is this bang
grunge or is this bang grunge and how you define it?
Like that would have been my dadand your dad Don like some kind

(01:00:10):
of cocktail party in the 80s. Yeah.
Roger's dad is Uncle somebody and yeah.
What is your dad's name? Rob.
Tim. Uncle Tim.
Uncle Tim, Yeah, yeah, Uncle Tim, Uncle George and and my old
man would stand around and listen to Bob Seger for sure.
Absolutely. And blood, sweat and tears and
the Buckingham's. I mean all of them.

(01:00:31):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, 25 and 64 is like the
most, most Blood, Sweat and tears of Jason song.
I couldn't even think of. Yeah, blood, sweat and tears.
That isn't blood, sweat and tears.
I love that. Can you believe that he was an
honorable mention? It's only because you took
Chicago that I that I put Bob Seger on there.
We both grew up listening to ourdads listen to this kind of air.

(01:00:53):
There's so many bands we could pick like I could.
I could have done honorable mentions for days.
Yeah, my my list of honorable mentions is is long and
distinguished. You could take the you could
take Bob Seger's look from this air though, and stick him on a
Pantera or Metallica album coverfrom the 80s and not or

(01:01:13):
Motörhead and not bat an eye like that dude looked, which I
guess Detroit, you know, probably get to have a
motorcycle and just I'll. Tell you right now, you know,
Bob Seger and Uncle George, theygot a little they they, you
would see Uncle George at a Bob Seger concert for sure.
Yeah, I mean Bob Seger. Looks like he's in Motörhead not
singing night moves and I don't I whatever for whatever that's

(01:01:34):
worth. Like I mean night move is a
killer but. And let me tell you, Uncle
George would have been well served.
He would have part, he would have partaken in in the the
whole experience. Yeah, yeah, Uncle Tim wouldn't
have, but. No.
No, I don't think so. Oh, that's all right.
Uncle Tim still likes to party. It's.
Me. It's me.

(01:01:56):
I'm going to go. I'm going to go back into the
American songwriter storyteller bag for my dad, and I'm going
Randy Newman to sail away, sail away, sail

(01:02:22):
away, stay away. We will grow the mighty ocean in
the just and be. There's something.
There's a gift in writing so clever and sardonic that your

(01:02:46):
subject celebrates your work, not understanding that you're
making fun of them. Randy Newman's ability to do
this over and over again, like short people, from rednecks like
all the way to I love LA. Like I'm just making fun of Los
Angeles and they're going to play this song at Laker and

(01:03:07):
Dodger games and they're racing similar object.
This is some of my favorite writing ever.
It sounds brutal. The story a slaver selling W
Africans on getting on the boat because of how great it is in
America is so gnarly. But to sing it so sweet that you

(01:03:28):
could just hear it and go, yeah,there it's I can't wait to get
to the Charleston Bay. Like this is beautiful.
I'm going to South Carolina. I there's something there's
something so got multi level execution of great songs in the
like traditional American songbook.
Like this is like ragtime stuff.I'm into old piano ballads, but

(01:03:53):
I'm these are like brutal. If you listen to the lyrics.
Is there another artist you guyscan think of that like had a 2nd
career that or is perceived so differently because of their
second career than than someone like Brandy Newman, like his his
plays, like what's popular from his songbook is it's just Toy

(01:04:14):
Stories. It's just Toy Stories, yeah.
I mean, there's others. There are others, but they
didn't take as big of a turn. Like in the same vein, you have
the Phil Collins piece who just had a bunch of big Disney songs,
but he didn't really change anything.
He just wrote pop songs for musical The The only person that
comes in mind right away is Trent Reznor.
Elton John maybe? Maybe Elton John.

(01:04:37):
Yeah, Trent Reznor's a really good one.
Like I do. I do this Oscar winning score
Trent. Reznor's doing like scores and.
Things now. Right.
Like he's completely changed. I think the difference between
the two is I think Trent's biggest stuff is always going to
be his 9 inch, 9 inch nail stuffand Randy's best stuff is the
other part. Randy's biggest stuff is the
Pixar stuff for the Disney stuff.

(01:04:57):
I was, I was on the fence between Sail Away and Burn On,
which is the song about about the Cuyahoga River and Cleveland
Catching Fire and that chorus ofCleveland, City of Light, City
of Magic, that's just so perfect.
Randy Newman and the exact sort of thing that my dad would love.

(01:05:18):
Is it because of the opening of Major League and how good that
opening of Major League is? He did love Major League.
Too. Yeah, that's.
Good. Yeah.
He was a big baseball movie guy,man, maybe I should have, but
Sail Away is it's the first track on that record, too.
And I it's it's, yeah, it works on multiple levels.
I, I always felt like he was oneof those guys who in no way his

(01:05:43):
voice matches what he looks like.
And I mean, part of it is he hasjust such a unique voice.
Nobody sounds or sings like Randy Newman.
Like it's very unique, but then you look at especially like
actually any, like I'm looking at a more modern photo of him
now. I'm like, how's that voice come
out of that man? How does that?
How is that how he sounds? That's not a qualitative thing.

(01:06:03):
That's just, I've always been interested in when people
people's voice doesn't seem to match.
Yes, physicalness. You guys had a conversation on
an episode a few few episodes ago about people that you were
surprised when you saw them that.
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't remember.
I was like. I was listening to it and I was

(01:06:24):
jumping out of my shoes because the fucking dude from Blessed
Union of Souls is black and thatjust like doesn't make any
sense. Mom, she likes me for me, but
there's no way that it's a blackguy that.
Guy. Block Party.

(01:06:45):
When I saw Block Party on SNL and for this is my own thing, I
was like in the British accent Iwas like.
Yeah, Wait, what? Well, there's that like indie
rock thing. There's like block party TV on
the radio too, and hooting the blowfish.
It's like it's any kind It's like same with the other way
around. Like I've I've see these
reaction tik toks about like black people finding out that

(01:07:08):
certain people are white they just assumed were black.
Like because I've never seen them.
For some reason they just assumed Adele was black.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, American. Or whatever it's like, no, she's
like a cockney. She's.
Like a yeah, She's like a white cockney.
She's voice, right? Yeah.
Joe Cocker was that way for me. Yeah, yeah.
And the other one, the other bigone for me was Tom Waits.

(01:07:29):
Like when I first saw what Tom Waits looked like, that one
surprised me. Really, I feel like he matches,
but you probably just had a picture in your mind.
Yeah, it's the gravelly voice. It's the Blues of it.
I don't. Yeah, I don't know.
The gravelliest voice of all time, like speaking voice too
like watch an interview with himand him like maybe you just it's

(01:07:52):
it's it's all torn up in there, isn't it like I know that's not
how it works, but I just imaginehis whole like esophageal region
is just like like sandpaper in there and it just hurts all the
time he. Never got that Blake
Schwarzenbach pre DU throat surgery.

(01:08:12):
He didn't get the throat. Surgery.
He didn't get the therapy. He doesn't drink the aloe juice
or the hot honey and tea You. Never went through a jets to
Brazil phase. Either you your last pick,
here's your last one, Roderick, your Grand Slam.
This is the thing that Dad lovedthe.
Most I feel like both of you know the band I'm about to pick.
You guys know me enough to know,but so let me give you an
opportunity fucking back. No, it's my dad.

(01:08:35):
It's my dad's favorite band. Beck.
No, it's. Probably Beck.
I you guys, I. Turns out Tim.
Turns out Tim's a big Beck fan. What?
Turns out my dad absolutely loved midnight vultures.
No, no eagles. My dad was obsessed with eagles.
Like just night. I mean this is not true, but it

(01:08:55):
feels like 90% of my childhood was soundtracked by them.
I think I'm going to pick lion eyes because I can hear my dad
singing to it again in the car. Those, I mean, all the Eagle

(01:09:37):
stuff has a ton of harmonies to it, but it has that Southwestern
this this song represents their main sound, which is that
Southwestern quasi country rock thing.
I think they do more than that that people don't give them
credit for. Like they've got their, they've
got their, you know, Bee Gees sound sometimes they've got
their ballad stuff, but this is their bread and butter.

(01:09:59):
And I think this is off their first record and it's.
So Glenn Frey too, which I really appreciate.
And he wasn't the he was probably the worst singer the
bunch. He's still a good singer and he
can harmonize like a like a mother.
But like his lead vocal stuff like Take It Easy and Lying Eyes
and that stuff, like you hear some actual like humanness in
there. Like Don Henley's too good of a

(01:10:19):
singer. Like you're not really a person
almost. Don Glenn Frye has some more
personality in his voice and. Reno Henderson is so excited
about the About the Eagles conversation about is the are
the parts greater than the whole?
Like do everybody's individual careers collectively, are they

(01:10:41):
better than the Eagles? If you add them all up, I still
would have to say no, like Eagles are one of the biggest
bands of all. I mean still have the number one
selling record of all time. It's a greatest hits record.
But how can you I mean, Joe Walsh had a good solo career.
If you include other bands and solo career, then probably
because then you're getting intolike James Gang and you're
getting into Poco because they're, they're bass players in

(01:11:05):
Poco and like all that kind of shit.
But come on. No, I, I, I gotta say no on this
one. And I also love that it's just
eagles, not the eagles. It's eagles.
It's Eagles. Yeah, it's I like there's that
moment in the documentary where Glenn Fry and gone Henley talk
about that revenue split from the reunion and about how they

(01:11:26):
made so much more money than to be Schmidt and the other guys in
the group. And my, I think the way he's, I
think it's Glenn Fry who says like, we're only here because me
and Don kept us at the top of mind of people's, you know, as
people were thinking about musicover the last decade plus.
Like that's why there's the demand.

(01:11:46):
It's because of us which God, what a mess of human beings
those people are. Oh, they're terrible.
Like they're the most boomer dudes and all the negative ways
they're they're selfish, they'remoney hungry.
They're self-centered like all that shit.
I just they were just in a. Streaming debate, weren't they?
Weren't they just bitching a bunch of streaming?
Like dude. Constantly they're in they're in

(01:12:07):
everything. This is going to get copyright
struck on YouTube. Like when I post this episode on
there like they, they, they attack everything you should
sing. You know, this is all aside from
that shit like. In place of a clip of the song,
you should just record yourself singing it.
Yeah, do your own harmonies. You've talked about your singing
voice like there's a there's a human tip duet.

(01:12:30):
This. Get Tip.
To record his part and then you sing the harmonies and bring a
full fucking circle back. Well, Speaking of full circle
back to your point about greatest hits, though, like my
dad had all these records, but the the tapes in the car were
the were the greatest hits, volume 1 and volume to both
greatest hits were like heavy rotation and they were often my

(01:12:50):
choices on road trips. Like if my dad gave me the
option pick the music, I'm pretty much always going Eagles
growing up. Like that's how influential that
was to me. I mean, I will also say there's
this thing, I don't know if thisis a compliment or an insult,
but the Eagles storytelling, an innuendo is simple enough that
even a child understood it. And I didn't even understand

(01:13:10):
what sex and relationships really were.
But I still got what lion eyes was about.
I still got what Life in the Fast Lane was about.
And also that there was something else there that I
didn't quite understand, which later was, oh, it's the drug,
the drug thing that they're talking about in this song.
But I think that's why I connected with the Eagles as a
kid too, is like their songwriting is pretty
straightforward. It's well done and well crafted.

(01:13:32):
But I got everything they were saying for the most part.
You know, nobody gets Hotel California really.
But, but there you go, Eagles. Roderick's last pick all.
Right. All right, Don, you're up.
All right, this might be the most modern of all the songs.
Albums still came out in 1989, but I don't know that we've had
any albums earlier than 1989. Paul The Paul Simon album was

(01:13:54):
19. 9090. I don't know where this came
from. I don't know why this cassette
was in my dad's car, but my dad got down with Alana Miles and
for some reason dad loved black velvet.

(01:14:39):
And I, I don't know why. I don't know why this record of
all of like the 1989 female vocalist that my dad could have
gotten there, could have gotten his hands on Black Velvet for
some reason just rang true with with Big Don.
And it was what he was going for.
And I remember this album cover so vividly, like being in the
door, you know, the door storage.

(01:15:01):
And this one was in there for some reason.
Dad and I were listening to Black Velvet by Alana Miles.
Hey, it's a fantastic song. Like it's a great song.
I thought I I just had to look it up.
I thought you just had had your first repeat, but I think this
was an honorable mention it. Was.
Canada on the Canada episode. Oh, that makes sense, yeah.
I think, I think this might havebeen one of Jess's honorable

(01:15:22):
mentions, but dude, I don't know.
Like, why do you have to make anexcuse?
This is for your dad. This is a It's a great song.
I'm not making excuses. I just don't know where the hell
it came from. Like, I don't know, like, like
we collect music via social media.
We collect it like, did Dad hearblack velvet on the radio, like
on adult contemporary radio? And Dad was like, well, I'm

(01:15:44):
going to go out and buy that cassette.
And did my father walk into a record store and say, do you
have a lot of miles? And they were like, yeah, let me
walk you over to this cassette Bay with the big giant plastic
thing attached to the cassette so you don't steal it.
And then my dad walked, walked to the fucking cash register and
checked out with the Alana Milescassette.

(01:16:05):
That's how radio worked in 1990,though.
Like he, he didn't ask for a lotof miles.
He asked for black velvet and they were like, yeah, we've got
it. This is a top Top 40 record.
I like that Rod said out that that's what happened and sit
down held up the record store and stole the Alana Miles.
But yeah, I I don't know. I don't know why, I don't know

(01:16:26):
how, I don't know, you know, ButI do remember listening to Black
Velvet, if you please, for sure in Dad's, in Dad's truck.
And so, yeah, so a lot of miles is a recognizable one that that
stuck with me. Maybe he just thought she was
hot on the album cover and that's why he picked it up.
That makes sense, I get it. She is.
She looks great on the album cover.

(01:16:47):
Where does this fit timeline wise to like Bonnie Raitt's hits
and stuff? Because it's so similar to me
stylistically. It's her like 90s, same same
era, OK. Same era.
Yeah, She had that record, that one of those Grammys right then.
Yeah, it's that bass line, that dude, that shuffle bass line,
right with the like slide guitar, the slide like steel

(01:17:09):
guitar with like a crooning, notcrooning, but like a diva almost
vocal on there. That's that's that Bonnie Raitt,
like mathematics right there. That that was like her formula
for There's also. Something there's something like
there's an era of this music, like there's something really
sensual about that song, like it's about Elvis, but there's

(01:17:31):
something that's really like there's a like heart did How do
I Get you alone? Like damn, I wish it was a
lover. Like there's a bunch of those
songs in that era that just hit this note.
Yeah, it really is. I mean, it even starts to get
into like Sheryl Crow territory a bit for me.
Like but earlier, yeah, it's. It's crazy to think about what

(01:17:53):
shit overlapped, right? So this came out in 1989.
Two years later, I was listeningin the Summertime by DJ Jazzy
Jeff and The Fresh Prince. Like to think about, you know,
like that. I was in the record store 2
years later buying that cassette, and dad was buying a
lot of miles. Yeah, and Dad was robbing the
the record store for a lot of miles.

(01:18:14):
Yeah, he wasn't buying it. Yeah, I my dad was a big, like
we're moving to moving to CDs and like we had the car full of
tapes, but it was building the collection and all the CDs.
And my dad, my dad was a watercolor artist.
He sold his paintings at the peckless market.
And so he was like, he lived on cash.

(01:18:38):
And so it would be like, we're working, we're doing our thing
at the market and we're going togo over the tower and I just
have cash in hand now. And I'm going to go to the
listening booth and I'm going tofind a pile of CDs.
And we'd go home with five or six CDs.
And it was probably, you probably do end up within a lot
of miles in there from there. Sort of like I heard one song or
two songs. I dig this, but I think about

(01:19:00):
that era, he was a collector of music and would take
recommendations from other people and and listen to people
who would guest on a record or whatever and go, OK, I'll go
check out their their stuff the way that we did, reading liner
notes and and thank you lists onbands, you know, CDs and go, OK,
this is the next band I should check out.

(01:19:21):
And that was, he didn't, he didn't steal CDs the way your
dad did, but he was, it wasn't. Robin, Columbia House.
Was your dad a Linda Ronstadt fan?
Don? That could be it too, because I
feel like this is the progression from her 70s stuff
into the 80s a bit, not to bringthe Eagles back up again, yeah.

(01:19:42):
You get it right back to the Eagles from Jackson Browne,
Yeah. But.
No, but I could. But dad, Dad, definitely listen
to some Bonnie Raitt for sure. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. So that one of these albums too.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that was probably it. More than that.
All right, mystery song, I'm going to close it up.
Bonnie Raitt into Black Velvet into into Grand Larceny or
whatever. Robin the record store, yeah.

(01:20:05):
I'll keep it. I'll keep it in the same that as
Don's last one, and I'm going toopen with a John Prine song.
I'm going to close with a John Prine song.
I'm doing Nancy Griffith doing acover of The Speed of The Sound
of Loneliness. So.

(01:20:27):
What in the world's come over here, and what in heaven's name
here is done? You're.
Broken the speed of the sound ofloneliness.

(01:20:53):
Which is off of her album Other Voices, Other Rooms.
And I was going to say I was, I'm hoping for Last Kick because
I anticipated us getting 11 songs in without a female voice.
There's three white guys talkingabout the music our dads listen
to. I just anticipated this is where
we would be. So I'm stoked on Atlanta Miles.
There's multiple women voices. And we do.

(01:21:17):
Paradise Dashboard likes to do what?
There's a woman on there, but there's also Phil Rizzuto is on
there too, so it cancels out. Nancy Griffith is a Texas
singer-songwriter and I my dad just fell in love with her
voice. There's a sweetness to her
voice. And I, I think that there's
something, there's something extremely Texas here that I

(01:21:41):
connect to my dad. It's and I see some of this and
some of that. The other choices too,
especially Eagles, like there's a an adjacency to country music
that isn't directly country, butit's it's about storytelling and
whether that's towns Van Zandt or Jerry Jeff Walker or, you

(01:22:02):
know, the the closest my dad would ever get to country,
country straight up is probably Willie Nelson.
But but I think it's more the Texas side of it than the
countryside of it. And there's something about
these like Americana tales of the West and the open road and
the outlaw and like, and and I think that there's something
that she approaches as a as a purely Texan artist that's like

(01:22:27):
along the other side of the story and the on the other side
of this yin Yang and and I'm thesweetness and the coming home.
So the speed of the sound of loneliness.
John Prine. Cover.
Nancy Griffith. We saw that happen with the high
women. Do you listen to the high women
in the much 'cause that was justsuch a fucking cool.

(01:22:48):
Project. It's great.
We're like, we had the folk artists of The Highwaymen and
like all of the singer songwriters of The Highwaymen.
And then to see like the women'sside of that.
And I think we talked about it with my sister when she was on
about like about the high women and like them all bringing with
their stories. And it was so fucking.

(01:23:08):
Cool. Yeah, they all.
Did that independently too before.
I mean Brandi Carlile's huge teller and like those.
But yeah, the the multi voice voices, the collective side of
that is is is cool. Is this is this whole album
covers them. Is that the other voices?
Is is like I'm seeing other people's songs or OK, cool.
And it's funny because my other my other choice here, like one

(01:23:32):
of Bonnie Raitt's early records,she did a cover of Angel from
Montgomery, one of the great John Prine songs.
And he on his live record, she sings it and he does the backing
vocals on that, but he does the backing vocals on this too.
I. Was going to say there's a male
vocal on here. Who's?
That, but just her voice is incredible.

(01:23:54):
Love it. It's great.
I love. It I don't, I don't know, I
don't know Nancy Griffith, dude.So I don't have much to say
other than to say that just listening to this, she has a
gorgeous voice and she definitely sounds like in that
same vein of women storytellers.Yeah, yeah, she's got some great
loving to find the Dime like some great old singer-songwriter

(01:24:15):
stuff. And I again, I, it's not
country, but there's something in the in the spirit of Texas
that it's. It's it's it's.
Coming up. It's southwestern music and
maybe even specifically Texas. Like listening to like her top
top song on here. The first 5 seconds of it is
Texan. Yeah, you can just you can just
tell it's Texas or Arizona, right?

(01:24:37):
Like. Yep, Yep.
When and Linda Ronstadt's from Tucson, like there's this,
there's definitely a a through threat here.
That's the second time for some reason, even though I brought
her up earlier, for some reason you just bring up Linda again
made me think of a cartoon for the second time this episode.
So Randy Newman always makes me think of that Family Guy bit

(01:24:58):
with Randy Newman. That is actually really
hilarious. Do you know the one I'm talking
about? I.
Don't think so. It's just Randy Newman following
Peter around narrating, or the whole different family around
narrating everything they're doing.
And it's after the apocalypse for some reason.
And it's just like fat guy walking down the street, stop
and to look, give me that's. A That's a great Randy Newman

(01:25:21):
impression. Thank you, thank you.
And then there's the Linda Ronstadt cameo in the Mr. Plow
episode where she writes the miss the the John Barney's theme
song and then and then proposes a Spanish version of it because
she speaks Spanish, because she's from Tucson.
Sorry, sorry to to bring some low brow Ness to this very high

(01:25:43):
brow conversation that Shane just had.
Did you ever guys ever see that?My favorite band photo of all
time is the Stone Ponies, which was Linda Ronstadt's freak
before she went solo because shewas the star.
But there's this incredible their their record has this
great photo and actually sort ofthe B roll from that photo shoot

(01:26:06):
is like Linda Ronstadt and then the other two dudes that are in
the group, they're like, can youguys get behind her and actually
like in not just behind her, butlike way behind her and like in
the trees. So I'm.
Looking at him right now, dude. So it was it was one of the
shots is a cover of their album,but then these other outtake

(01:26:28):
shots where they're standing even further back are like, who
are these absolute? Creeps spying.
On this young woman. So like, we're gonna hide you
guys in the trees 'cause we knowwho the star is here.
So funny. It's incredible.
It's yeah, but it it comes off as as creepy.
As creepy 'cause they're also, yeah, they're not the most

(01:26:48):
pleasant looking dudes. Sorry, other guys from the
stone. Fantastic.
That's really good. Oh, little kitchen, some
crossfire here. We do, We do, Honorable mention.
I've only got 2 on here 'cause II figured we wouldn't have too
many steals, but I've got Elton John.
Actually probably should have been above Billy Joel and
Meatloaf on my list, but I just picked Elton John like 2

(01:27:11):
episodes ago, so I'm not gonna put Elton John on here.
Yeah, but like, it's same thing as Meatloaf.
Fantastic piano player, but a sense of the theatrical right up
my dad's alley there. I would have picked Honky Cat.
I don't know why that my dad loved that.
Like Dixieland sound like my dadwas a big like like Doobie
brothers fan, like the old Doobie brothers that had like a

(01:27:32):
Dixieland vibe to it, like anything like that.
So so that'd be one of them. And then this one's a weird one
and it's kind of represents a different side of my dad, which
is he loved A1, like he just loved hits too.
So we had these compilation tapes and compilation records
and I knew of a lot of like one hit wonders from those.
And one that I remember him loving and singing along with
him in the car was Signs by I think it's five man electrical

(01:27:56):
band. I didn't even look up if that's
the right band. I thought, well, I've always
just remembered who did that. One said that who sings signs.
No, it's Ace of base. Not that science.
Different. That's what did a cover of it.
Yeah, five man electrical band. Okay, yes.
That's what did do a cover of that.
What's his? What's that guys name?
Long haired freaky people need not.
Yeah, yeah. Louis CK.

(01:28:19):
Blue CK had a great joke back inthe day where he would say that
song says sign said long haired freaking people need not apply.
OK first of all, no it didn't. No sign has ever said that.
No sign said that. Got to have a membership card to
get inside there like. Yeah.

(01:28:45):
OK, where'd that both. Come from loved one, Rod sings
on the pod. So that that's the only two I
had. Don, what'd you?
Got. I had two as well.
One of mine got stolen. Chicago got stolen.
Sorry I had to move Bob Seger into it.
The Doobie Brothers Blackwater. Yep.
The Disneyland. The Disneyland.
We love Blackwater dude. Any song that has that goes into

(01:29:09):
a round at some point to you. Yeah.
And then the other one is Commodores Night Shift.
Oh wow. Commodores song that you're
getting into that 80s, early 80s.
Yeah, 80s comedores. Yeah, that's good.
So those were those were Dad's extra honourable mentions,

(01:29:31):
Seamus. OK, I got I wrote down a bunch.
OK, so the artist, if you said who are the artists that you
associate with your dad the most?
But Tom Waits would be one, but those were all listen to at
home. Springsteen would be one, but
again, it's it's listen to at home, You 2.
We had rattle at home in the car.

(01:29:52):
And so that was like a. Oh shit.
That was a weird one. I'm going to go OK my 2 MY2
honorable mentions though, Boscag's Lido shuffle, Boscag's
hits with the pink suit jacket on the cover like that is a like
memory for me is holding that cassette tape.

(01:30:14):
And that would have fit right inthere with the the Blood Sweat
and Tears in Chicago sort of bigband sound of it all.
And then my other one, as I got into music, there were a couple
of songs that my dad like reallydug in them.
And and I was on the fence aboutincluding this because it felt
sort of on the edge of the spirit of this conversation.
But my dad loved Santa Monica byEverclear and he loved disarm by

(01:30:40):
The Smashing Pumpkins. So one, I want to make sure that
one gets a shout out. I was talking with my daughter
this morning about doing this podcast and songs that grandpa
damn might. And she was like, Oh, the the
Bell song, because that's that'sdisarm.
Yeah, I would have still lived on a cassette for sure too.
Yeah, no, I had Siamese Dream. I got Siamese Dream and Bleach

(01:31:03):
on cassette. And so Bleach didn't hang in the
car often, but Siamese Dream did.
I mean, there's some of that record sense and and disarm.
It was mine, but it was something that he he dug.
I love that. That's so now you've got me
wondering if there was any like later or more modern stuff that

(01:31:23):
crossed. And I'm sure there was, but I
can't place it right now becauseagain, my dad became such a
radio guy that it was always just a classic rock station.
It's almost like whatever started to bleed into class to
classic rock as a radio definition.
Yeah, the earliest actually, youknow what it probably was.
It probably started to get into Guns and Roses.
Like I think my dad actually probably started to dig some

(01:31:44):
like better 80s metal stuff. I mean my dad wasn't a metal guy
by any means. Like, but I mean the closest my
dad got would have been like Deep Purple or Blue Öyster Cult
and stuff. But I think there was enough of
that there where I can imagine him still listening to that on
the classic rock radio and enjoying it.
But we wouldn't have had any cassettes or even C DS.
I think where my dad and I really crossed over.

(01:32:07):
I don't know, maybe Collective Soul?
Yeah, yeah, there's that post grunge sort of modern rock radio
format that like that We've talked about avenged like just
rock music being frozen in 1993,the like Stone Temple Pilots of
it all. And do you have any of those,
Don, where it's like, oh, this is this was my music, but Dad

(01:32:30):
came up into it. The only thing that I can start
to think about is like, Dad, listen to a little Sheryl Crow,
you know, So like would have been like, what was that first
show Crow album, the one that Tuesday?
Yeah, for sure. I can think about a little bit
of that. And then.
But as far as like modern music,like I don't know what the hell

(01:32:51):
my dad would be listening to, like didn't really transition
much into that. Like I like dad stayed in his
wheelhouse big time so. Yeah, and here we are talking
about and here we are talking about 1990s music as much as
possible. Yeah, it's true.
I got I got one more for it. Like he loved my dad loved
Santeria. Really.
Again, I I think there's that SW, there's sort of a Spanish

(01:33:15):
thing there's in it and there's the storytelling and the like.
He loved the line about the day I got something for his punk
ass. Like there's like there's this
rich sort of narrative happeningin in the song.
Yeah, it's. Fun.
OK, I got a question for you guys.
I was chatting with somebody last week about about doing this

(01:33:35):
project and I, I was just like, hey, what were the songs that
were in your dad's car? And he was like, Steely Dan
can't buy a thrill. His first Siri Dan record.
Like, of course, that makes total sense.
Billy Joel 52nd St. And then he goes Fat Boys, Weird
Al. And I was like, wait, wait, how
do you get from Steely Dan and Billy Joel to Fat Boys and Weird

(01:33:58):
Al? And he was like, well, those,
those two were in my mom's car. And I was like, oh, that's like
a different thing. That's like a distinct unique
idea. It was a totally different idea.
Which will you guys have me backfor?
Songs that you played in your dad's truck?
2 Colon songs that were in your mom's car.

(01:34:19):
Mom's car. Yeah, for sure.
We will, but I'm going to have to caveat it already by saying I
don't think my mom had any cassette tapes.
So this is going to be stuff that my I know my mom liked off
the radio. We're going to have to flex it
because I can already start thinking of them, right?
My mom had some CDs. We're going to have to stretch
it into CDs if that's the if. That's the case.
Albums. Tracks tracks from Mom.

(01:34:41):
I can. Think of three right now off the
yeah, boom. So kind of.
Living in that space. Yeah, tracks from moms cars and
is a it's a shoe in. Fat Boy is Weird Al and other
hits. I love that.
You want to read them off, Don? Yeah, for sure.
We have meatloaf Paradise by thedashboard light.

(01:35:02):
The Buckingham's kind of a Jag. John Prine.
That's the way that the world goes round.
Billy Joel. She's always a woman to me.
Blood, sweat and tears. Spinning wheel.
Paul Simon, the obvious child. Chicago, 25 or 6 to 4.
Bob Seger. Night moves.
Randy Newman. Sail away.
Eagles, Lion Eyes, a Lot of Miles, Black Velvet and Nancy
Griffith. The speed of the Sound of

(01:35:23):
Loneliness. This is a good This is a good
mix. Yeah, this is really good.
That's a good. That's a good ass mix tape
that's going to that's going to set a vibe for sure.
I love that. It's definitely a good a mix of
genres, tempos and moods, Less so genres, but there's a Little
Mix on there. But tempos and moods for sure.

(01:35:43):
To quote the rules, yeah. How to make?
It's always a pleasure, Shane. This.
Is nothing out with you buddy? Good to see you.
Guys, I'll sequence this. I'll send it back to you.
Thank you. I've been I was really looking

(01:36:04):
forward to this one. It was very, very nostalgic, as
I mean a lot of these are, but this one especially, like very
much can picture myself in the the Pontiac, the old, the old
red Pontiac. Ford Ford Aerostar.
Yeah, driving around I. Love that.
I love that this one is what started the conversation.

(01:36:27):
That feels awesome. Yeah.
And then now it's recorded. That feels.
Good. I feel like we wanted to do this
one earlier, but it felt like for some reason I got it was
like, well, we can't do that first idea yet.
Like we've got other ideas we have to get to.
It just felt like the right time.
Yeah. Do it.
So I didn't want to be too cornyand do it for, like, Father's
Day because I didn't want to wait that long.
That's not what, like, June or no May.

(01:36:50):
I don't know. June, when's Father's Day?
I don't even know. So.
All right. Well, good to see you again.
Shane, good to see you guys. Thank.
You for this. All right.
Appreciate it. Talk soon.
Bye.

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