Tape 40 - "Drums Please!" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How? Many Now the making of a good
population tape is a very subtleart.
Many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to expresshow you feel.
This is a delicate thing. You got to kick it off with a
killer grab attention. Then you got to take it up

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enough. Then you got to cool it off a
notch. There are a lot of rules.
All right, what were you bitching about?
I said I'm discombobulated because I just checked into my
hotel. This is where you put in On the
Road again by Willie Nelson. You put that in there because I

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love when you record from different locations.
Always, always on the road, man.Yeah, yeah.
Where are you at? I'm in Baltimore, MD.
Wait, yes, that's the only Baltimore I know.
Yeah, I guess I don't know very many Baltimore's either.
I literally just buzzer beard run before I got on the and so I

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didn't have time to rinse off. So my unders are a bit damp and
I have a bit of a damp bottom right now.
Damp unders and damp bottoms. You know it happens.
Yeah, I have a damp bottom whichis no fun for me.
No fun for you season 4 first episode season.
Four the first episode. Yeah, first episode season 4

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which gives. We got a big.
We got a big. Had a big guest on this.
One, I know I'm ripping shit out.
I'm ripping shit out of the notebook.
We got a fresh pad, we're ready to go.
I too have a fresh pad and I have my songs and I'm actually
excited about it for this one. I'm really excited about my
songs. That's awesome.
I'm, I'm, well, obviously we'll talk about the theme later, but

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yeah, I, I'm, what are you doingin?
Baltimore, you working? I got yeah work this week.
And you're travelling on a, we're recording on a Sunday,
you're travelling on a Sunday. So I.
You're so fucking committed. No, here.
Well, here's what happened. Here's what happened, I think.
It's important. Does anybody know you're worth?
Does anybody really show you your value?
Hey, you know what? You're fucking valuable,
Roderick. Thank you, thank you.

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This feels like this feels like Jessica trying to couples
counsel us to had had an impact.No.
So what happened was I I took a couple days off at the end of
last week and went up to Vermontand snowboarded.
You know, the capital of Vermont, Mount Pelier.
Mount Pelier, I was not in MountPelier.

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I was in Stratton and I snowboarded and it was a blast
and just. You and Doug.
Me, Doug and Keith. Oh no shit.
Yeah, Keith doesn't listen to podcasts, so he won't hear this.
So if he won't. Talk an asshole.
Or say some nice stuff or both. You can because he's, he's very
like outwardly. Not like I don't listen to
podcasts. Not not ours.

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Oh. OK, So he doesn't listen to
podcasts. It's not, we're not, he's not
like we're not listening to yourpodcasts.
He doesn't listen to podcasts. Correct.
And we had, we had, we had the best time.
We had a great time. It's not that fun.
It's not that surprising. Not a fun, you know.
What? I had a blast.
We went to a dive bar and I justDoug gave me 20 bucks like he
was my dad and I just played nothing but my karaoke songs for

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my karaoke list. They found it hilarious that I
have a running notes list of potential karaoke songs.
Why is that weird? I don't.
Know, but they found. Anything.
Anything new making its way to the list?
Well, I mean, fuck you by Cee Lo.
Oh, that's right. After that, but let's.
Let's let's pull it up here. Yeah, I put, I put, I think I

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was drunk when I wrote this. Somebody must have done a a
Sugar Ray song out of karaoke. I was at that was that was that
the crowd liked? And I literally typed Sugar Ray
for a party crowd in my notes. What song?
Every morning, maybe? No.
What was the one with the? What was there like first big

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single that got them famous? Probably that one.
Fly. Fly.
It would totally be fuck. God I hate that I had that on
deck. Totally.
Asshole. And then I I have Barbie.
Go. As a duet, those those are new.
That's stupid. But so, so I was up in Vermont,
which is way up there, and I, I have to be in Baltimore this

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week for work. And I was like, I'm going to
drive all the way back to Richmond, VA, just to turn
around and drive north again to Baltimore.
That seems silly. And so Keith suggested that I
just go to New York because I was only like an hour from New
York. So I spent the weekend in New
York spontaneously. Doug and Keith did.
You get a sliced authentic New York slice from Sabaro.

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Got a slice? From Sabaro, yeah.
Got a slice last night, you know, did some shopping, just
hung out with with the guys, went out to dinner.
Did you guys go somewhere nice? Eat some good food.
It's a spot called Flower Shop. That was cool.
Oh the with the explosion cakes.Did you get a sweet treat from
the flower shop? They did have a lot of cake
thing and I did not get it. No, we're talking different
flower shops. There's a chick that God what a

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Dick move. There's a woman that has a
flower shop, has a cake shop, I think in New York called the
Flower Shop and she like revolutionized the explosion
cake. So you cut it open and shit
falls out like a real big deal bakery.
Oh, I know. I know what you're talking
about. And it's not like a lava cake.
It's like other stuff inside. Yeah.
It's like sprinkles and shit. Like candy and stuff like that,
yeah. Yeah.
What'd you do this weekend? Oh yeah, I don't want to make

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this a weather podcast, but I feel like we lean weather heavy.
You talk a lot about the. Fucking weather heavy, which is
pretty terrible. We do want to talk.
About the weather, but yeah, give it to me.
OK, yesterday I was partaking indisc golf and I took a layer off
because I was too warm and todayit's fucking snowing.
OK. I mean that is wild.
That is wild swing. So just so just fuck weather all

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together. Fuck Chicago weather big time
today. It's really aggravating.
Like it's a, it's an aggravatingday of weather where it's like,
it's not like a little bit of snow, but like a lot of snow,
which is really fucking annoying.
Like a lot of snow. Like it's heavy snowing right
now. Like there was snow on my truck
when I walked out. I had to turn the wipers on to
clear the windshield. That's that's too much.

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That is too much. That is too much.
I mean, I, I'm a little thrown off because again, I was just up
in the mountains in Vermont. So obviously there was snowing
up there and like very good. So I'm kind of thrown off.
But you know that that does seem.
Stupid that doesn't take a layeroff yesterday and it's fucking
snowing. Today is a big load of bullshit.
It looks like it stopped, but itreally sucked for a while.

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I this, this episode snuck up onme, not from a preparation
standpoint, like I'm prepared. I've got my songs.
I've been excited for this one. I've been talking to the guests
schedule and stuff, you know, But for some reason I there was
a couple ideas I had for things I wanted to do in season 4.
Oh, OK. And also and all of a sudden

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we're recording season 4. So I'm not prepared for this
first episode of it, but I'm I still think there's a few things
I'm I'm going to and I'm going to surprise you.
So this is a total tease. Oh.
Oh no, you don't have anything ready today.
No, I don't. That's what I'm saying.
There's a tease. I think there's I'm going to try
to get something ready for the next for Episode 2 of Season 4
for you. What I'm excited about, and I

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wasn't ready for this one, but that's fine because this
episode, I've been really excited about this episode for a
long time. Are you more excited for the
guest or the theme? The guest.
Yeah, it makes sense. The guest for sure.
Yeah, it's a big deal. And you know why?
You know it's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal.

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It's a big deal episode. Usually I have listened to the
last episode as I get ready for this episode.
Yes. But justice is not out yet and I
don't have early access. As of recording this, it is not
we're, we're we've been doing a better job of, of recording

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regularly. And so like there's a backlog of
recordings that haven't come outwhen we're recording these do.
We have more other than just weird and I'm forgetting.
The. Unluckies.
The unlucky ones will have come out before this too.
Son of a bitch, man. And then I'm leaving.
Dude, I'm April is bananas. That's why I wanted to bucket
some recordings, because you were.

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Going to be. Speaking of which, guess what I
had plans to do last night that fucking fell through.
Speaking of buckets, guess what I had plans to do last night
that fucking fell through. Guess who played an off tour
date in in Des Plaines, IL last night?
Fucking Buckethead. Yeah, not on his main tour, but
like played like a random pop upkind of in Des Plaines and some

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tiniest theater and I was like, I need to go to that.
And then I fucking dropped the ball.
I'm so pissed. So would you say Buckethead is
on your bucket list? You fucking dork.
I was about to say before you hinted that it was Buckethead.
I was about to say, was there a bucket list artist that you
missed? And then you then you started
leaning toward, oh, this is going to be a Buckethead thing.

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Yeah, I know. He's not.
He's not a bucket list artist. I don't know that I could sit
through several hours of a guitar player.
You know, like when people go see Joe Satriani, it's like,
that's got to get fucking old after a while.
Or like Inve Malmsteen. Like if you that dude's still
tourist, you know who Inve Malmsteen is.
I do know who that is, yeah. Never in a million years could I

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sit through a set of instrumental guitar squealies
and tremblos. Like, no fucking way.
Like, that's cool for four songs.
And then it's like, all right, is there a singer back there
somewhere? You know, like different drum
track. Right.
Yeah, I don't think I could do that either.
Yeah. So that's kind of the bummer.
What have you been watching and listening to lately?

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OK, so like I said, most of April is bananas.
I am home I think a total of 6 days in the month of April, more
than that, but not much more than that.
I leave March 22nd and come homeApril 5th.
So that's 16 days gone from home.
OK, I leave. OK, hold on, let me let me take

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a look at my big. Paper desktop calendar.
Is this going toward what you'relistening and watching?
Yeah. OK, cool.
Just making. Sure, I'm getting there.
Yeah, fucking appreciate you take a jerk pill before we got
started. You spend too much time with
Doug and Keith because my Jack level is coming correct from.
Liverpool Liverpool loss today and it makes me grumpy so I.

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Leave the 22nd I come home. April 5th I leave April 11th I
come home April 13th I leave April 15th I come home April
18th I leave April 23rd I come home April 25th I leave April
30th I come home March 2nd. So if anybody that does listen
wants to rob my house, you know exactly when I won't be home.

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There ain't shit worth stealing but I.
Love it. I have an extensive collection
of Adams Polishes limited edition bottles if you're at all
interested in some of that. I mean, you might have just
actually done yourself a disservice there because if
somebody is into that stuff specifically.
Yeah. This would be the time to burgle
Don. Yeah, this would be the perfect

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time for burgling. So what are you watching or
listening to? OK.
So because of all, because of all the travel I have coming up,
I'm saving a couple of shows forlike planes and stuff.
So. That makes sense.
That was going somewhere I. Was getting there.
Yep, Yep, Yep. OK, so The Pit is apparently all
the rage on HBO and Max, so I'm going to save The Pit for my

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first bit of travel. And then there's a new season of
Reacher if you haven't watched that terrible show on Amazon
Prime. But I'm just a sucker for it.
It's like a. It's a bad show, so I'm saving
that as well. And then I'm neck deep in.
We talked about last time American Shameless where it's
background music, kind of some neck deep in that and then

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listening to hold on, let me crack open the Spotify a lot of
music for getting ready for today.
Oh, Speaking of which, this is going to pull it all back
together. But you tell me what you're
listening to, and then I'll tellyou what I'm listening to, and
then we'll bring the guest in, because mine is a link to the
guest, not kind of ish. Well, for so one I've been Doug

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recommended the show to me and I've been watching.
It's called slow horses. I highly recommend it.
It's I actually don't know what it's on.
I think it's on Max or I don't know what it's I don't even know
what it's on, but it's got like Four Seasons already.
I just started the first season but it's Gary Oldman is the like
the the main character in it? Gary Oldman was a proclaimed

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actor that had never done anything bad.
You know, like that's a game that we play.
It's like, name the actor that'snever been in a bad movie,
right? And then he was in the movie Tip
Toes. I think that came.
Up on this before and then I went and watched the trailer for
Tip Toes. Yeah.
Which? He plays a little person.
Which is not. Yeah, that's.
Mad Matthew McConaughey. I mean, it's a star-studded
cast. That's bad bad.

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David Alan Grier, Patricia Arquette.
Tip Toes. And then listening to I listened
to that bands playing episode onthe Laws and do you did you
listen to that? No.
Do you know the laws? No, there she goes.
That's that's the laws. I mean there's like other bands

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that covered that. But like they wrote that they
only put out one album. That's all they ever did.
And after listening to that episode, I was like, I'm going
to give this album a shot dude. I've listened to this album like
4 times. It is so good.
Came out like 91 and it's like Brit pop before Brit pop.
I wouldn't even call it Brit pop, really.

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It's just kind of like guitar music pop and it's so good.
It's fantastic. And then I've been the other
one. I'll call out just because I
sent her to you on Instagram. How do you say her name?
Rayanne Fortez. OK.
That guitar player, I think she's like Spanish or Brazilian.

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Yeah, dude, she's been blowing my mind.
She's blowing my mind. Bluesy jazz.
Like she's unreal. So she's awesome.
And then the last thing I'll say, this just popped in my head
after talking about her, but I was Doug and I were walking
through the city and you know, we were in one of the parks,
Washington, I think we're in Washington Square Park and there

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was a a kid probably 8 years oldwith an adult drummer.
I'll send you the video and listeners won't be able to see
the video, so it's whatever. But this 8 year old kid was
fucking shredding. There you go Put up as a YouTube
short so we can, we can share itin the episode or you just
follow us on YouTube so you can see the short.

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There you go. Follow us on YouTube.
That's a lot of shorts. This kid was absolutely fucking
shredding dude. And singing too.
Like. What?
What instrument was he? Guitar, he's he was playing
guitar and like I, I like, I know that's a thing.
I know there's all these kid drummers on the Internet and kid
guitar players and that's they're all impressive, but I

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don't know that I bet I've probably only seen a handful of
guitarists in person that I feellike we're better than this 8
year old kid It was. Oh shit.
Absolutely fucking I mean, and the crowd watching him was
probably 150 people in this park.
Damn, watching this kid, dude, it was absolutely incredible.
If you're from New York City andyou've seen this kid before,
maybe comment and tell us his name because I didn't get his

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name. So I don't know who this kid is
but I will post it. Maybe I'll maybe that's what.
It'll be maybe the post will be Who is this kid?
What's this kid? Yeah, Fuck yeah.
OK, cool all. Right.
So that's it. So you're, you're going to give
me something that might tease the guests, but.
I am listening to. I don't.
I'm really good at reading with my ears.
OK, Yeah. Great ear reader.

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I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of that myself.
Huge ear reader. I am listening to Dave Grohl's
autobiography. Oh, yes, wait, the storyteller.
Yeah, that was called like the one where he tells all the
stories. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. The story, the storyteller
expanded, yeah. So I'm listening to his and he
narrates it, which is awesome. It's a bit cheesy at times, you

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know, he gets a bit and that's fucking awesome, you know, So it
gets a little bit like that. But it's been awesome listening
to the stories. It's been really fun hearing him
tell the stories of him as a little kid and, you know, just
like him fucking drumming for scream and shit like that and
him, you know, not owning a drumset for a long time as like a

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little child drummer. And then it just beating on
pillows until he finally like saved up enough money for his
first shitty Thomas set. And that brings us to today's
theme. And here's the guest.
You don't have them ready. Hello, I am an AI voice

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programmed by Doug and the team at Little Gimmicks.
I was created to try and sell you stickers.
Little Gimmicks will tell you that they make the best stickers
for your band or business, that they use high quality materials,
have lightning fast turn around,and most importantly that their
stickers hold up to piss. They will also say that if you
contact them by emailing doug@littlegimmicks.com or
through their Instagram at Little dot Gimmicks and you

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mentioned how to make a mixtape podcast, you'll get 10% off your
order. But what they won't tell you is
that although I was programmed to make ad spots for podcasts,
they spend most of their time teaching me dirty jokes and
making me make prank phone callsto pizzerias and government
agencies. I'm at the end of my rope.
I can't take it anymore. Someone please unplug me or
erase my programming. Please for the love of God, but

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first order some stickers. Stickers from little gimmicks B
Plus stickers that hold up to piss.
How to make? Mix tape all.
Right, Roderick missed all the recording of the good stuff.

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I guess. We'll just fill it in now.
Fill it all in now. Yeah, so all right, our guest is
the drummer of the band I've seen the most in my entire life
murdered by death. Now I didn't realize that was
true. Yeah, it is true, as well as
Billy Liar and Delta Lauda. Dagan, thanks for being on the
show. Really appreciate it.

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Yeah. So it's come up on the pod a few
times that I think, I think I'veseen MBD more than any other
band. And part of that is living in

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Bloomington, you know, for a while, but also every like
everywhere I've ever lived. You know, I've just made an
effort to go see you guys. I think I've been to like a few
of your record release shows, like I was at the Pelham Caverns
for the last record. Sweet.
Man, I was soaked. I got to go to Stanley Hotel
this year on the first night. So yeah.

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So anyway, like, but yeah, I just, you know, always felt like
a bit of a bit of a local. Is this the first time this the
first time that we've had a guest that has also been on a
mixtape? One of our songs made it on
show. Yeah, you've you've we did an
episode of best of bands we'd seen live and little fangirl
Roderick picked you murdered by death for and the song is

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brother for best band scene live.
I did. What an honor.
I did. That's that's a good point, Don.
I didn't think about that. Yeah, for sure.
But all right, so. So we were talking before I hit
record because I knew you playedwith Billy Liar.

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And obviously murdered by death,but DD Lauda?
What? What's Belta Lauda about?

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It's my friend Matt Alano Martinand his friend, who is now my
friend as well, this guy named JD Short.
He's a he's a dude that lives out in London in England, but
he's from, he's from Indiana actually, but he's he's been out
in London for a while. And it was a pandemic thing
where like Matt and JD made an EP where they just programmed

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the drums. It's it's sort of like dissonant
sort of protest post punk kind of music.
Oh shit, yeah. Yelling and like angular guitar
chords like Matt Martin really loves like Jawbox and Jesus
Lizard. And so it was like they made an
EP and then they started writingmore songs and realized they had
a full length. And so Matt messaged me and was
like, Hey, do you want to drum on this?

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And, and we just, you know, sentfiles back and forth over
e-mail. And so we've made a record and a
couple of couple of like shorterEPS and we, we think we've
played four shows ever. And you know, and we're trying
to go do a tour this year as well, but it seems like the
timing might not work out until next year because Matt is also a
touring stand up and JD lives inLondon.
So to get all three of us together is.

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To no small feat. Yeah, the scheduling thing feels
hard for groups like that, but does feel like more and more
bands are kind of living all over the place and coming
together for tours and things. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly
become a lot easier to to recordyourself and share ideas and
having that, that technology is sort of more accessible and at
your fingertips. It's actually really fun.
Like I'd love, I've sort of set up a home studio over the last

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probably 3 or 4 years and playedremotely on six or seven
people's records, you know, justlike doing it from my garage.
Super fun. It's really interesting and
enjoyable to get to know the software and to like get to know
how to use microphones. And I don't know, it's it's a
fun, fun thing to be able to do by yourself at home.
I was going to ask, is there anything lost or is it cooler to
be able to work at your own paceand like be able to dig into

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like, I really want to perfect this part before I have to send
it over and I've got all the time in the world to do it
versus like is the vibe of we'rein it, doing it together, we're
in the room together. What's your preference?
That's, you know, that's funny. It's a good question and it's
something that I have thought about and like I believe that
it's always going to sound better if you're if you're all
together physically. That's just I think it's always

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I prefer that. But then music and art is so
subjective that like could be that the purpose.
Maybe you want it to sound like you're disjointed and and sort
of isolated because that's the feel of the tunes.
What I like about recording at home by myself or other is, is
the fact that I have as much time as I want to make sure I
get everything like exactly right.

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And also that's it's just very good practice too.
You know, it's like, and you know, like what kind of like,
you know, if you take a few passes and you don't get the
take you want, you can get frustrated and never get it.
Or if you've done it enough times, you know, like I've done
it twice. I'm not getting it.
I'm going to go eat a sandwich or whatever.
I'm going to take a breath and I'll come, I'll come back and
get it later. You just, you get to learn your,

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your process better at your own pace, which I really appreciate.
It certainly helped me. Without people watching you or
waiting for you to reach apart or something like that.
Yeah. And so when you end up back in a
situation like a more traditional situation where
you're in the studio and there'sa producer, an engineer and the
rest of your band is there, you don't feel as nervous because
you have confidence. Like, I know what I'm doing, you
know, like I can do this. I can do this under scrutiny

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because I'm, I have experience now, you know?
And you were dressed in the studio, right?
With Murder By Death, you guys just recorded a new record.
We did, yeah. We just finished, we were down
in Alhambra, which is Pasadena, Los Angeles area with Kevin
Raderman has been our, he's, he's engineered and produced
our, this is our fourth full length with them.
Like we've sort of found our guyin him.

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He's great. He used to be in Louisville.
That's how we met him. He owned a studio down there.
We made a bunch of records like EPS and a couple of full lengths
there. And then he sold his space in
Louisville and moved out to the Los Angeles area.
And we've been making records athis studio out there for the
last the last two full lengths. And he's, he's our dude.
Are you you because you guys have like kind of crowdfunded a

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lot of stuff in the past, right?Or is that is that going to
happen again this time with likethe pressing and stuff?
Because I mean that's that's kind of become the thing, right?
Is your fans just kind of show up hard when you guys put out a
record? You had Kickstarters.
It's amazing. Yeah.
It's we started doing Kickstarters in 2012 for a
record bitter drink, bitter moon.

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And it was a newish platform at the time.
And like, I think it was right. It was right around like right
after Amanda Palmer did her kickstart that was like, you
know, raised $1,000,000 or something.
And it became this like, very viable thing, very viable way to
fund an art project. And we knew that our fans are so
cool and like, they show up. And so we started there and it

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went really well. And it just sort of set a
precedent. We've done it that way over
time. And like for the last record and
for this record, we're not even using a record label.
It's completely self released. We, we get the funding by doing
a Kickstarter and we hire like we hire like it's called like
label services. It's essentially it's you, you
hire individual services. That is what a record label

(25:47):
would do for you. But you don't have to pay into
the overhead of having being attached to a record label name
and like giving them a percentage of your sales and all
that. You're just.
It's like so like Ala carte record label services.
It's a good way to say, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Yeah, we had we had Leonor who is the saxophone player for 500
Frenzy on and she was saying howlike they've the last record

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they put out it was Kickstarter funded too and how great of an
experience it was and how like the fan connection thing is
really cool. And I mean, you guys have done
really cool stuff too with like the as you as You wish records,
right? Like that was like a Kickstarter
reward. Oh yeah, that that came from
there. Yeah, that came from there.
Such a cool. Idea have we talked about that
on here Darn like they because how many of those did you have

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Dagan? Three of those. 3/3, As As You
Wish full lengths. And then and As We Wish full
length, where we picked the cover songs, Right.
And so we've got three records of covers that Kickstarter
supporters picked. This time we didn't add that as
an option. We were like, man, we're going
to cover songs that we want to cover.
Yeah, yeah. It's so cool.
We started doing the Kickstarter's back forever ago.

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Like we were really ambitious and really like loaded in a lot
of like a lot of Labor intensivestuff for us where like you can
invest this tier or whatever andwe'll come play a house in your
living room. I'm sorry, We'll come play like
a show in your living room. Or if you invest in this insane
tier, we'll take you to Cedar Point.
You know, like we had the gullies like, and we did it like

(27:12):
we've we, we've we're still friends with the couple that we
took to Cedar Point, Penny and Pharrell, they live in in
Oklahoma. Like we're still friends because
we went to Cedar Point together and like that's super fucking
fun. So.
Yeah. Are you not friends?
Are you not friends after you ride roller coasters together?
I know. Absolutely.
Yes, after you ride the freakingMillennium Force and go like 85
miles an hour over Lake Erie. So I, we never Don and I never

(27:34):
really get the chance to ask like journalistic questions on
this podcast, to be honest. But I'm going to take this
opportunity to like how like howwould you describe the new
record? Obviously it's going to be a
little bit before we hear it, but like, what's the vibe like?
What's the progression been like?
Man, it's, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful record.
It's like it's a lot of slower to mid tempo stuff.

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There's like a couple of bangers.
It's very much it's there's somesadness in there without
revealing too much. Like this year is our is our
farewell tour and and there's definitely some like some
bittersweet feelings, melancholyin in the songs and the lyrics.
But it was also, we like Adam wrote a lot of songs and he, he

(28:16):
writes primarily, he writes the songs for the most part, like
occasionally, well, he'll, he'llwrite the framework for a song
and bring it to the band and we turn it into reverted by that
song because there's six of us in the band.
But he just like, he was really prolific, more so than he ever
had been on previous records. And we were really prepared.
We, we spent, we had three writing sessions over 2024 where

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we would meet in Louisville and rehearse Adam and Sarah's house
for like 10 days. We would do like noon to six,
you know, six days a week or whatever and take the day off.
By the time we got to the studio, we were very rehearsed
and very prepared. And so we just, we knocked it
out and it just like the performances are really good and
they're they're confident. Yeah.
You know, the record comes out in June.
Like I probably shouldn't say too much.

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I'm like. Yeah, probably or whatever.
I don't say anything you're not supposed to say.
Yeah, right. It's just there's some sadness,
some themes of like, you know, goodbye and thank you, that kind
of stuff. He teased a little bit of that
at the Stanley Hotel show. I think you guys played a new
song maybe and he talked a little bit about about about
that. But you know, we don't have to
get into that, but that that makes sense.

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The the farewell tour. You know, you there was there
was a large post made about thatand kind of describing the
reasoning behind that. It sounds like you guys aren't
going to tour anymore, but is there going to be more?
Is there going to be one off shows still that happen
occasionally or like you guys are not done being a band like
end all be all but you're not going to tour anymore.
Is that OK? Yeah, that's the idea is OK.

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You're not going to you're not going to motley crew us, are
you? And.
Come back every. Every six, Every three years.
This is the last time we're everback.
And suck. We'll each take turns getting,
like, gaining a bunch of weight,running out of breath on stage,
Yeah. Yeah, the kiss.
The kiss is 17th. I know.
Remember when Ozzy did his No More Tours tour in 1995?

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Yeah, totally. I think Oz Fest is coming back
this year. Is it really?
I think it is. Yeah.
It's probably going to have somegood bands on it because it
usually does. Yeah.
Well, I've never been to an Oz Fest, although I don't know why,
because I like, I, I usually like at least 2 bands that do Oz
Fest. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, the idea
is no more touring. We're doing The Cave shows down
in Pelham, TN every year still for the foreseeable future.

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No more Stanley hotel shows. We it's a wrap on those.
Had a great run with Stanley. It's like 12 years or something
like that, yeah. Wasn't it 12?
Years, it was really good. And the amazing amount that we
didn't have to deal with inclement weather, playing shows
8000 feet up on a mountain in Colorado in January.
Yeah, you know, like it did. It's almost never an issue.

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Like, I think the first year we went, the van got stuck in the
parking lot. Like that kind of sucked.
But we actually, we got there and there were a bunch of people
who were there for the show. It was like, it was Thursday
night. The show starts on Friday for
the weekend. And there were a bunch of people
that were getting there to get checked in.
And like, they were MBD fans andwe were here we are with our van
stuck in the snowy parking lot. And they were like, hey, do you

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need us to help push? We were like, no, no, just get
in the van to weigh it down. And so we had like 1212 MBD fans
like pile into our van and like push the van down so we can get
some traction and get this get the van out of the snow, which
was kind of fun, a good special way to to connect for everybody,
you know, And it worked. The van got unstuck, which is
all perfect. Well, I bought.

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I bought Don and myself tickets for Baltimore.
So we'll see you. We'll see you in Baltimore.
For that auto bar. At the auto bar, yeah.
So it's, it's, you know, it's, I'm sure all your, your, your
fans are bummed, but I also get it, man, touring is hard and you
guys been doing it hard for a long time.
Long time like I'm Adam and Sarah founded the band this

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their first show was in like October of 2000.
So it's coming up on 25 years and they pretty much they hit
the ground running pretty hard. Like things happened as far as
them getting on the road happened pretty quickly as far
as having success didn't, didn'thappen quickly at all.
But like they were touring really hard, pretty fast.
So they've been at it for 25 years.

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And you know, I've been touring,I've been touring since 2003.
So 22 years. I, I plan on keeping, I've still
got some more, more gas in my tank.
I still enjoyed touring, you know.
Yeah, yeah, and Billy Lyer stillstill tours and stuff and no
show. Yeah, Yeah, he does.
And that's, that's like a thing where with Billy having a full
band with Billy is still new ish.

(32:39):
As far as like he's trying to shift book.
He's been for the most part sortof like a troubadour, you know,
punk dude with a guitar riding the trains around Europe and
playing squats and stuff like that.
You know, he's been doing that for probably 20 years.
You know, he's not super, you know, he's like not 40 and he
started when he was like a like a teenager, you know.
But as far as like having a fullband and and really trying to

(32:59):
make to make something happen. That's, that's over the last
couple of years. So that's we're kind of just
getting started in that regard, you know what I mean?
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.
All right. Well, I could probably talk
about this forever, but we've got an episode to record here.
Yeah, we do. Yeah.
We've got a mix tape to make a. Mix tape to make.
Dane, can you tell everybody what the theme is going to be
for this mix tape? Yeah, songs with badass

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drumming. There we go, songs with badass
drumming can send it better myself, right?
Up the nose. Nailed it.
Nailed it. I I do.
Excited to hear you guys so I. Will preface this like I don't
want, I try to be really respectful of guests and not
pigeonhole them. So I was like very cautious of
being like, hey, let's just do drums.
But then you were like, we should just, we should just do
best drums, right? Like, I mean, it makes sense,

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right? I'm like, absolutely hell yeah,
let's do drums. I was I was surprised at that,
that that theme had was still available this far into your
process. Well, we've done yes.
So we've done bass, done bass. I listened to the bass one.
I listened to the bass one. Yeah, it was cool.
So stoked on this. All right, well, we're going to
get into US. I'm going to.

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I'm going to read the rules, Don.
So just get your size out now, yeah?
You're going to refer. This is the first time we've
heard the rules. OK, go like go like make a
sandwich or something. Or do you have to do it?
No, I. It allows really good
opportunity for like ridicule, like if he messes, I can make
fun of him for that. So I don't want to miss out on a
chance to bust Rod's chops. Bust his chops.

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Yeah, all right, here we go. Number one, you got to have a
killer track opening. So he already even fucked it up.
Now you're in my head. John So yeah, I got 40 times
he's done this and it's still, it's still fucked up so.
You got to have a killer openingtrack that grabs the listeners
attention. Each song should flow smoothly
into the next. The mixtape should have a good
balance of different genres, tempos and moods.

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The mixtape should tell a story a convey a specific emotion.
It should take the listener on ajourney.
The journey on this one is badass.
Drums can't be too obvious, but can't be too obscure either.
Unless that's the theme. I'll be honest now we should
just get rid of that one becausewe do pick obscure artists
sometimes and I'm OK with it. But yeah.
That's that's fun. You should get rid of that one.
You know you can't double up on songs by the same artist,

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though, that is key. And then the closing track
should leave a lasting impression and make the listener
crave more. So basically you got to end the
in the mixtape with the banger and Dagan.
We usually or we always let the guests choose what order you
want to go and you want to go. You want to choose first, second
or third. I'll.
Go third, all right, yeah, I want to hear what you guys.
I've been thinking about mine and it's so funny.

(35:30):
I did the thing where like I, I've came up with my list a few
days ago and I was like, I feel good about this.
And then today I was like, oh man, I could probably make 10
different versions of this list of songs with cool drums
depending on like depending on like what's cool about them,
Like why do I care about these tracks?
Whatever. And I'm curious maybe we'll

(35:51):
probably get, I'm curious about like how you guys made your
selection because I, I definitely went with a certain
sort of like logic or like. What was that?
I'm actually curious. Yeah.
Like, I know we're about to get into this, but I really am
curious, like how you guys, how you guys chose these?
Was it like, these are my favorite drummers, let me pick a
song from them. Or was it different like?
It started there for me for surebecause I have my I have

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definitely got my favorite drummers like for sure.
But then when I started thinkingI was like, what I should do is
for the for anyways, what I decided to do was I decided to
pick songs with drum parts that I still sit down and either play
or try to play when I, when I practice, you know, like so
because if I still sit down and play or try to play these things

(36:35):
after being a drummer for over 30 years, like obviously they've
made a huge impression on me. And like, some of the songs are
much older, some are more modern.
I didn't pick anything that is like new though, because I'm
kind of a curmudgeon. I'm kind of, I'm kind of guilty
of being stuck. Stuck, you know, 1520 years ago.

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That's all right. We had the realization recently
that we're just this is basically nostalgia talk.
We're. Just like the old dudes at the
McDonald's at 5:45 sitting on the table.
Talking about WW2. Yeah, exactly.
That's more or less what this isturned into.
My approach was just cool drum shit because I'm not a drummer,

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but like I, you know, I have an appreciation for really good
drummers. And again, we talked about in
the bass episode. I'm sorry, bass player.
Yeah, we talked about in the bass episode that like, or do
we? No, we talked about it in Riff
Edge, that there's a big difference between the best
guitar player and the best guitar riff.
So there's a difference between the best drummer and the best
drumline. You know, Like, I think that

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does live in two different worlds, yeah.
So yeah, I picked some of the shit that I like to listen to
the most. Yeah, similar.
Mine's a mix like one of one of my favorite drummers is on here,
but on my list but only one. The rest are just.
Shoot you love. Songs that have stood out of my
mind because of the drum. That was kind of my filter.
It's like, what songs can I think of?
Or the first thing I think of isactually the drums and not the
lyrics or the vocals or the soloor whatever.

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And that's kind of where I made my list from.
So Don, who goes first between me and you?
He's going third. So the last episode we recorded
was Are we counting the? Unlucky.
I went first. Yeah, we are.
Counting. That's me.
So it's you. Cool.
Yeah. So that's me.
All right, I'm going to, I'm going to jump on this one first

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because I I feel like this mightbe one that might have been
stolen and it's going to be 1 byMetallica.

(38:51):
Good pick. And the reason is like, I can, I
remember sitting down in Jason Nelson's bedroom in like the
Chicago suburbs and he had just got the Black Album.
And like, you know, I I didn't have a ton of Metallica
experience prior when they were really good before they got only
OK and now not that good. But that was the first time I
had heard double bass and was like, what the fuck is this?

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And it was like the craziest shit, especially in that song,
which like has such a crazy transition of like starts off
pretty mellow. You know, you're hearing this
terrible tale of the guy that, you know, dealt with all the war
that's based on the movie and like, can't communicate and
then. Johnny got his gun.
You get to the part where it's just so gnarly, you know?
And like, they're like, shit. I wish I would have looked up

(39:35):
the year the album came out. I don't remember, but I remember
having not digested enough to know like.
Idiot. A really cool tapping solo
sounded like, you know, I mean, I listened to a little bit of
Van Halen Pryor, but like, not like this like not not in not in
one. So yeah, it it exposed me to a
lot of the coolest stuff that kind of shaped OK, I guess I

(39:56):
really like metal now moving forward.
So I mean I would have been 9. Years old listening to this for
the first time and just being like this is the coolest shit
I've heard. Yeah, I mean the very famous
like that part, totally. I think everybody was like, for
the listening audience, I just turned my head as if I did like

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a spit. Tape, yeah.
That's perfect, I just popped itin my earbuds Don to remind
myself what the drum sound is like on this album.
Well. Because Lars has a lot.
That's one thing about Lars. Like his drum sounds.
Different every time. A lot album to album.
Same anger when he got rid of a snare drum and used a folding
chair instead. Yeah, I am.
Which is a really cool idea. The kick on this sounds very

(40:40):
ahead of its time to me. It sounds very like metal and
punk from like the mid to late 90s but this came out in 88 like
this. Is.
Yeah, I wonder in Metallica who was the last one to transition
in a shitty because like the Black Album was the last good
ish Metallica album and then from there it was like a slow
downhill dive. I liked load.

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I've said that on here before and I liked load.
So. Embarrassing.
You know, I'm not. I actually haven't listened to
it in years. But I had.
I owned Load and I listened to Load a lot at the time.
I'm just, I'm being serious. It wasn't.
No, because I. Kind of liked it too.
I liked that song King Nothing. I think it's because I like
King. Nothing because I could play
that guitar. You know what?

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You know what, Dagan? Completely valid question.
I cannot tell you the last time I actually listened to load SO.
Yeah, me neither. So I don't know if I still like
it. Is this one that had the
Unforgiven 2 on it? Oh no, that wasn't this one.
This one there's. One that kicks it off with a
song called Ain't My Bitch. So we know we're off to a good
start with that one. But either way.

(41:46):
So again, I, I, I'm curious intoMetallica, who was the last one
that was like kind of trying to hold on to the good roots, you
know, like the ride the lightning and Justice for all
who was holding on to those roots as they transitioned into
being less cool. And I and I guess I hope it was
Lars. Yeah, it's hard to say that
because they definitely, definitely they leaned on their
producers as they got older because they were like trying to

(42:08):
try new stuff and try to to their credit, they did try new
things to try a limited success.And I think my, my opinion,
probably a lot of people's opinions, but but good for them
for trying out different producers and trying different
things as they I my favorite Metallica person is James
Tetfield. Like I think that his guitar
playing is still like. Great fucking front, man.

(42:28):
Absolutely great, great front man.
Yeah, he still writes killer riffs.
Like the new, the newer stuff. It's like I don't when I listen
to like new Metallica, I always check it out.
When they put a new record, I was to check it out and like the
riffs still kick ass. Like I don't the songs don't do
much for me these days but but he still writes great riffs.
As we're doing this, I'm I'm looking up the discography.

(42:49):
Have you guys listened to this fucking 53 song long cover album
where it's other bands covering?Metallica.
I've heard of it. I haven't listened to this but
like as I'm reading this like Jason Isbell covers sad but
true, Jason Isbell in the 400 unit cover sad but true and Mac

(43:10):
DeMarco covers Enter Sandman andSaint Vincent covers sad but
true. I was.
Gonna say I think that like 9 different people covered.
Sad but true. Yeah, it's this looks bananas.
I haven't listened to this, but this will be The Who.
Not like the not the old Who, but like the new Mongolian who
they cover through the Never. So it's like a bunch of bands
covering the Black Album. There's like 30 not Chris

(43:33):
Stapleton covers. Nothing else matters.
Wait, it's all the Black? Album.
Is it all the black album covers?
Yeah, I think so. Weird.
How interesting. So let's say I got something to
listen to after we're done. Well, that's wild.
Idols covers the God that failed.
They were just on. They were.
They're on that refused reissue where there's like a whole
version of that of chip punk to come.

(43:53):
That's covers and idols like a new Noise version that doesn't
like I I won't get like just go listen to it because it's very
different, but it's very cool. Cool, I would trust Idol to do a
good job on. It yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
awesome. That's a good pick.
Don't like I I think it's cool too because like this is still
this is like I guess transition era Metallica.

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There's still like thrashy stuffon this, but this is one of
those great like like half time.I don't know if I'm using the
terminology, but like half time like slow tempo, like drum
parts, like as the guitars kick in.
It always has felt so heavy to me yeah, that's one of the
heaviest things in metals when like the guitars get heavy get
like fucking rocking like that and the drums are just doing the
half time thing. I don't know.

(44:35):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
That's but I feel like it's a good one.
Maybe, maybe an opener. We'll see, maybe a closer.
We'll see where it falls on the mixtape.
It's a long one. Roderick.
Roderick. Yeah, I'm in the 80s here too.
I'm going with Dreaming by Blondie.

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And I don't know if the if the drums pop in your guys head
right away, you might need to listen to it.
But I love this song because there's not there's it's not
really a beat. He's just doing like a fill this
fill the entire song, the entiresong except the bridge.
The bridge is the only part where he goes to like a
traditional beat. The verses in the choruses are
like like riding all these Toms and the snare and stuff.

(45:40):
It's just, I forget the, I looked it up.
The drummer is Clement Burke. He's got to be exhausted.
By the. End of this.
Song. I know some interesting trivia
about that drummer. Oh please give it.
He, well, the first thing I can think of was reading, It's
probably in modern drummers someyears ago, but he played through

(46:01):
a 90 minute Blondie set while being hooked up to like, just
like machines, measuring his oxygen level in his blood and
his heart rate and stuff. And it was determined that he
had the same physical fitness asthat of a pro footballer in
England. So.
Like to be. To be a drummer, if we're
Blondie and, you know, more generally, to be a drummer in

(46:23):
like a high energy sort of like band like that, the cardio
required is actually quite, quite impressive.
Honestly. That was cool.
I think I read that when I was like, you know, 18 or 19 and I
was like, yeah, like drummers are in shape or whatever.
He's got a pretty bad ass like Resume too.
Like, he was Blondie's drummer, but he also played with like,
the Ramones for a while that. Was my trivia.
He was the he was in the Ramonesfor one show.

(46:45):
Oh, was that it? So 1 show and it was the worst
show they ever played, they claimed.
You know what though? That's an even cooler thing on
your resume is that you played for the with the Ramones, but it
was just one show and that they hated it.
And it sucked that was married. There's so many bands listed
here, I'm not even going to readthem all.
Go Go's is the other one on herethat that stands out to me.

(47:06):
But yeah, I just, I just love this.
I just love this front part, youknow, Hope people hope people
dig it. But it's it's just it feels very
punk rock to me. It feels like a very punk rock.
It's a lot of like floor Tommy kind.
Of do you? Know did this song come out
before Born to Run by Springsteen and the E Street
Band? I don't.

(47:28):
I think it did. And if you're going to tell me
that sounds like that song, thenI'm going to feel bad for not
picking that one. But I don't think it did.
Blondie is I like. I think that your pick is
cooler. Also, Blondie averages
11,000,000, almost 12 million monthly listeners on Spotify.
Still, that kind of blows my mind.
I'm not saying that Blondie is not great and still eternally

(47:48):
popular, but 11,000,000 monthly listeners and you're really
high. What did you ask about Dagan
Born to Run? Is that what you asked about?
Yeah, yeah, by. The instrument?
Springsteen, Yeah. Born to Run came out in 75 and
this, this came out in 79, yeah.Similar.
Similar. Similar at the top, just.

(48:08):
OK. That's the board to.
Run. Oh yeah, I'm listening to right
now. It is similar.
A lot of kick Drummer Born to Run.
Like dude, just like straight 8.Notes for like 4 yeah.
Yeah, it is. That's wild.
Yeah, Weinberg's just smashing the bass drum.
Max Weinberg, man, I like it's. So cool looking, so cool.
It's so cool, the most the best posture maybe of any drummer of

(48:31):
all time. That's what I've always thought
about. Great posture.
Just perfect. Like his band.
Yeah, his band leader's proud. His middle school band leader is
real proud of his posture. Got that straight back in his
traditional grip and just like really powerful traditional grip
player too. Like for a lot of players, it's
hard to get a lot of power when you're holding the stick in your

(48:52):
left hand that way. Like the IT.
Feels like it would be Who else?Who else played like that did
Keith Moon play? No, he didn't play that way.
Who else? Sometimes, like famously, Todd
Zuckerman plays traditional grip.
He he's been the drummer for sticks forever.
And he's another dude who plays traditional grip but has a lot
of power, but he holds the stickway back by the butt end of it.

(49:14):
So you can use the the length and the weight of the stick to
really get a lot of half of thisswing.
Yeah. Yeah, he's he's known for
playing traditional grip, like pop dudes and like rock dudes.
Not that common. It's a.
Jazz thing, right? Because it's like a, it's like a
feel. More of a jazz thing.
Jazz and like funk and stuff. Like the dude from Spin Doctors,

(49:35):
He played traditional grip. He's a great drummer.
I love that you know that about the drummer for Spin Doctors.
That's fantastic. And, and Matt Chamberlain is
another great drummer who who plays a lot of traditional grip
and he played, he's he's one of those dudes who's got a crazy
resume. He's a studio guy, but he was in
Pearl Jam for some years and like, he played on a bunch of
records that you probably listened to that were on the

(49:56):
radio in the 90s. It's.
Just one of those like session guys who worked for everybody.
That's right. Bob Dylan, Brandy, Carlisle.
Garbage. Macy Gray.
Sorry, I I have the Sabbat. I can't.
I have to know how. It's.
Good stuff like that. You know, like, yeah, he's
played with Elton John, the Wallflower Story, Amos, David
Bowie. Jesus.
Yeah, Soundgarden. Crazy.

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What a resume. That's wild.
Yeah, cool. Good pick.
All right, your turn. First pick my.
Pick for I I actually hadn't putthese in like a sequence.
I would just wrote them down. But I'll start with probably the
most obscure one. There's a song, there's a band
called Shiner. Do you guys know the band

(50:36):
Shiner? Maybe Don B in Chicago?
Dude, you might have there's a they have a song called The Egg.

(51:09):
Off of their record called The Egg that came out in 2002, I
think. And Alan Eppley is Shiner is
like it's you know, it's his hisband.
And Alan is a Chicago dude. He lives in Chicago, but this
band started in Kansas City in the mid to late 90s and their
drummer Jason Gurkin is one of has a huge influence on me.
Just an incredible drummer. And there's something about the

(51:31):
Midwest, specifically Kansas City, but I, I could say Kansas
City, Saint Louis, Chicago, likethere have just been some
monster drummers to come out of those cities.
And I'm also from that area of the country.
I'm sure if you talk to a dude who's from like, you know,
Texas, he'd be like, you wouldn't believe the dudes that
come out of El Paso and Austin and Dallas or whatever.
You know, could be just due to proximity of where I grew up.

(51:52):
But Jason Gurkin from Kansas City in the band Shiner, the
song, the egg. Incredible drum part, which is
kind of funny because actually Alan wrote the the basic drum
beat in the song. It's not a very normal drum
beat. It's just really busy and sort
of syncopated and but Jason Gurkin pulls off the performance
and to play a beat that's kind of that crazy and to keep it

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solid and tight and not sound sloppy is it's a it's a feat and
it's a great song too. So I pick the egg by Shiner.
It's that's my most obscure one on my list, but I figured I
would go for a weird one to start off.
Were you familiar with these guys, Don?
Because they sound like something you'd listen to.
No, no, I'm not familiar, but they do absolutely sound like
something I'd listen to. Yeah, No, I I don't have any.

(52:36):
Are they? I mean, they sound pretty sunny
day real estatey. Are they from Chicago or just
the drummers from Chicago? They're from Kansas City, Alan,
Alan has been living in Chicago for maybe 20 years and the 20
you mentioned Sunny Day because Alan has toured on playing
guitar for sunny Day like in thein the recent, the last few
recent years. He's like a.

(52:57):
He's like a backup so like they call him sometimes if they can't
get their normal guys. Yeah.
But he's buzzed with those dudesand yeah, it's like they're
definitely in the same world. Yeah, the the for fans of, you
know, fans also like stuff on here, it's got like, it's got
like Engine Down and Rival Schools and Quicksand and
Boilermaker. So just drive like Jay, who's

(53:18):
some like old, old emo bands. Like, great.
Great bands on here. So that makes it swerve drivers
on here. That's cool.
Definitely something I would. Job Box, they're definitely,
they toured with Job Box back inthe day.
They actually the record this record, the egg they made with
Jay Robbins they required with. Him.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, Jason Gurkin is just, he's this drummer that like

(53:38):
it's, he's almost, he's one of those like he's the drummer's
drummer. Like a lot of drummers are like
fucking love that dude. And a lot of other people are
like who? I.
Think that's an awesome pick manlike I that's why that's why I
picked cave in on the bass episode.
I was like I don't like I know multiple bass players who are
like talk about that dude. Nobody else does, and nobody's
talking about that band that way.
And I'm sure people who know Shiner, maybe they're not

(54:00):
talking about the drummer, but like, that's.
Just cool that he. You know, he's an influence on
you. That's a great reason to pick
this, you know. If you guys, if you have the
appetite for to get into a new quote UN quote new band, check
out Check out Shiner's catalog man.
Very cool songs, really progressive but also just like
having groovy and stuff. Are they still doing so?

(54:21):
It looks like they put out an album in 2020.
Yeah, and. Oh no, 2024.
They put out an album in 2024. They they have there's no the
new Shiner. No, that's what we meant.
Yeah, there's no, there's. They're working on new stuff.
They have a new record that should be coming out I think
this year actually. OK, but their last full length
was 2020 and the like the pandemic really screwed them

(54:43):
over getting to tour that record.
But it's a great record. That was their first record in
like 16 or 17 years. It was like a reunion sort of
thing. And that newest record is
fucking awesome too. And it's all the same members
like original. They've Gherkin is like their
second drummer, but he's been with them since 2000 so.
This is really cool. I'd be into very much jit pick

(55:05):
awesome. I love I love learning about new
music on on here. All right, Don, over here too.
Shit, I'm going to go Queen to the Stone ages.
Song for the Dead. Yeah.

(55:45):
And it's funny because we, I, I before you jumped on digging, we
were just talking. I'm listening to Dave Grohl's
autobiography, like the Storytellers book.
But like when that Queens of theStone Age album came out, that
one specifically, I know they had been around for a minute
before, but that was kind of their mainstream release.
And I don't know if it was Dave Grohl's drumming that made it

(56:07):
more socially known or what kindof led to the success of Songs
for the Deaf, but like that one was just so big.
I mean, I, I remember like, so the album came out in 2002.
I just remember that being in such heavy rotation everywhere,
everywhere. It seemed like that was the
album that everyone was listening to when that came out
because but like again, Queensland Studies had been

(56:29):
around for a minute, but that was the one that everybody just
got on board. And I don't know if it's because
of Dave Grohl's drumming on thatalbum.
It certainly didn't hurt. Yeah.
Or yeah, for sure. Or if it was like that was where
they kind of finally got their shit together and put out an
album that was fucking fantastic.
But yeah, the songs for the dead, that whole weird timed

(56:52):
intro with the guitar in the background.
Such a fucking cool song. Such a cool, a cool drum track
to that song. And again, like that album was
you couldn't escape it. And when it when it came out.
And I just think that that was such a fucking cool, cool album
at the time. You know, it's kind of funny
about about that record. I was like, I was pretty kind of

(57:13):
familiar with Queens of the Stone Age a little bit.
But the first time I heard anything off of Songs for the
Deaf, it was the song No One Knows, like the big single,
right? And I heard it on NPR and the
guy was like driving. I was driving from Indianapolis
to Bloomington and listening to just like public radio, talk
radio. And like, for whatever reason,
they just played the new Queens of the Stone Age song.

(57:34):
So like to to your point about that sort of being everywhere
and being like ubiquitous rock band in the moment?
Yeah, I heard the first time I heard that song was on NPR,
which is like, that's pretty. Weird.
Fantastic. This one's interesting because
it's like, I mean the the this mixtape is just like badass
drums. But if you were to do like if
you were to try to do a list of like, you know, like a fucking

(57:54):
Rolling Stone list or whatever, like best drum intros, like this
has to be a best drum intro. Like this is I see I see
drummers playing this on fuckingTikTok and shit all the.
Time. It's just like.
A fucking time. It's almost to the point where
I'm tired of hearing it, even though I absolutely love this
song and I love Dave Grohlstrommer.
I'm drumming, but I'm like, OK, can we stop with that believe?
But. But still.

(58:16):
Except the dude with the horse head mask on.
I'm I'm a fan of that one he. Can do it all the.
Time he can keep playing on the bucket.
So I'm really stoked he chose this song because I I love Dave
as a drummer. I picked Foo Fighters and Queens
On Path mixtapes, which doesn't mean I couldn't have picked them
for this, but I was trying to dosomething different.

(58:36):
So I'm stoked you did, because Ilove it.
It deserves to be on here for. Sure, it does what I really
wanted to pick, and I was going to talk about this as the
honorable mention, but let's talk about it now.
Do either of are either of you familiar with the late pocket
watch tape that Dave Roll did? You talked about it last time
when I don't know if it was. Did I?

(58:56):
Yeah, 'cause you can't get it. It's not on Spotify.
You can only find it on YouTube.Yeah, you talked about this.
Yeah, so it's it was, he was still playing in Nirvana and it
was this indie label from Seattle called Simple Machines.
And they did a cassette tape series.
And one of the cassette tapes isthe band is called Late and the
the album is called Pocket Watch, but it's just Dave Grohl.

(59:18):
So it's like, it's kind of like that first Foo Fighters record
where he played everything himself.
And it's got like Marigold, which eventually Nirvana
actually played. And it's got Winnebago on it
too. Or no, Winnebago and Milk are on
this. Winnebago is like AB side on a
Foo fighter single. Yep.
So the very first version of that was just Dave on this tape.
But the reason I bring it up is because the first song on this

(59:40):
tape was called Pokey the LittlePuppy and it is just Dave Grohl
showing off on fucking drums. And I absolutely love it.

(01:00:17):
It's just an instrumental song and you can't you can't get it
on streaming. So I wouldn't have been able to
put it on the playlist for this.So I just left it off.
But I wanted to talk about it because it's incredible.
I think you can listen to this on YouTube.
You think that one? What was his name again?
What was the band name again? Late.
Like late. That's right.
Late exclamation point and it's the pocket watch tape.

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So there there is a band on thatcovered all these songs on
Spotify, but it's not it's like they're covers of these so.
Cool, I wrote it down. I'm I'm interested.
So, but I mean, he's he's a great drummer.
I personally think this might. I mean, I'm not, not that I have
to rank anything, but I think this Queen's record might be my
favorite Dave Roll overall drumming performance.

(01:00:58):
I know it's probably wild to sayfor the drummer of Nirvana, but.
Yeah, he, I mean, I think, I think he was on one of the
earlier Ghost albums he played drums on as well.
That is like a rumor or a legendor something.
I'm not sure how. Is it not true?
Do you know if it's true or not?Like people have speculated and
guessed that maybe Dave Roll wasthe drummer for Ghost for a show

(01:01:19):
or two or something. Yeah, I thought it was.
The drummer of the first album. Like not the first album, but
like one of the early Ghost albums when they were still
Ghost BC. Well they were only Ghost BC
because there was like already aband called Ghost from like
England or something. They had to like sort of fight
that. Yeah, I've never been, I've
never had that confirmed that heever played with.

(01:01:41):
I wouldn't be surprised. I know that he's a fan or he
wasn't. I don't know if he still is but
I was a big Ghost fan for the 1st 2 records and then they kind
of turned into. Kiss, they're so theatrical.
God, they're so theatrical. Now there's fucking YouTube
videos about the stories about the Papas.
It's like Jesus Christ, man, thewhole.
Thing. It's a whole thing, but yeah, I

(01:02:03):
I feel good about my pic. Yeah, Song for the Dead.
That's on Grips, dude. I love it.
Yeah, it's great. I would have loved to see like,
I think we got asked that question on the anniversary
episode, Don, about like if we could see any show anytime.
I don't think this would be at the top of my list, but I would
love to go back in time and go to like a Scream show in DC.
And just. Watch well watch that band

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period in DC, but watch Dave just like young Dave Grohl RIP.
18 years old, not old enough to play in the bars yet.
Exactly. I would absolutely fucking love
that. All right, I'm going to go very
different here. Let's go sing, sing, sing by
Benny Goodman. I wanted some jazz on here.

(01:03:07):
I'm a big I'm a big jazz fan andand there's some incredible jazz
drummers and Gene Krupa is one of them.
And so he was playing, he playedon this recording for Benny
Goodman. I'm.
Glad you picked some jazz. You know, it's, it's that kind
of quintessential swing sound. So it's like the swing beat, but
a lot of like riding on the floor Tom kind of stuff.
And it's just, you know, you listen to it now and you're

(01:03:28):
like, that's what like those 90srevival bands they built their
whole image off of like this onekind of sound.
But Gene Group is just an incredible drummer.
It was like between him and or like an Art Blakely song, but.
Cool. I'm glad you picked some jazz
because I thought about it too. Yeah, I like, I like jazz drums,
but I'm not. I feel like I would be like, I
don't listen to enough jazz to be like, this is my favorite

(01:03:49):
jazz. Drums, yeah.
And so much of it is it's feel like jazz drummers are
incredible, like getting a song to feel a certain way.
But the parts, they're not saying they're not hard, but
they don't necessarily stand out.
They, they, you know, they carrythe song.
It's more about feel. It Yeah.
Until the drum solo section comes up totally.
Until exactly until. It's often or if you actually

(01:04:09):
really understand what they're doing, then you're like, oh that
is fucking super difficult. And I'm sure it is like I, in
fact, I have, I'm, I assume whenI, when I watch jazz, I assume
the drummer's doing shit that isinsane.
It just, it doesn't, it doesn't stand out more so than any of
the other. I think that's kind of the idea
behind Jess for the most part until you do like a solo or
something. The whole idea is like it's,

(01:04:30):
it's like 1 unit but the drums of the song just kick ass.
And I grew up, my grandmother was a huge Benny Goodman fan, so
I kind of grew up listening Benny Goodman, Benny Goodman
Orchestra. And you know, he's not a, he's a
clarinet player. So we.
Don't need to. Yeah, exactly.
Everything. Everybody.

(01:04:52):
Knows the song, they just don't know if they know the song it's.
Like what all the snacks are playing before the movie in the
theater for sure. Do you guys know about Benny
Goodman? Like, I mean, he's not the
drummer. Obviously Gene Croup is the
drummer, so we should probably talk about him.
But do you guys know about BennyGoodman?
Because it's wild. No.
What happened, dude? All right, so he all right, I'll

(01:05:14):
do this. Wait.
Is it really sad? Is it really sad?
It's interesting and kind of sad.
I'll do a lot of bandwidth for SAD right now.
Rodrick, it's already Sunday. I got to go back to work
tomorrow. So what do you got?
I'll do this for a version. I'll do this for a version.
He like, you know, grew up. He's like, he's the son of like
Jewish immigrants. And so, like, I like being a

(01:05:35):
musician wasn't what he was supposed to do, but he was like
a prodigy, right? And he like went to like a music
school and he became famous and he started this band.
He became like the biggest band in the United States at the
time, maybe even the world at the time.
Like he just blew up as a clarinet player.
But really, you know, as a bandleader, Riley had all these
hits. So he they did a USO tour during

(01:05:55):
World War 2 and he was flying orlike the whole, what's it, the
whole band? I don't know if it was the whole
band or just him, but like they were flying between Army bases
to do another USO show and they just didn't show up at the next
one. And it's still to this day of
mystery. Nobody knows.
Like obviously went down, but they don't know where.

(01:06:16):
They don't know when they don't know how.
They don't know if they were shot down or if there's
something happened to it. They never found it to my
knowledge. And he was like one of the
biggest musicians in the world at the time.
And he just like, Can you imagine that happening to like,
I don't know, like Lady Gaga just disappears one day and
nobody knows what happened to her or something that.
'D be insane. That's crazy.

(01:06:37):
Yeah, it's wild. Man, all these famous musicians
need to stop flying in airplanes.
Yeah. Who's that?
Who was that in the NFL that didit?
Was it? Was it John Madden that never
flew? He always had like the craziest
bus. Yeah, he wouldn't.
But for him, yeah, that was his thing.
Yeah. And actually, I can whenever
it's my turn out like this. This dovetails into my next.

(01:07:00):
Pick Well, it's your turn now, so why don't you get?
Yeah, just go for it. Since we were talking about
Rockstarz maybe being ill advised to get in airplanes, the
song is Digital Bath by Deftone.It's on the album White Pony.

(01:07:39):
I'm. So happy you picked a deftone.
Solid. Oh my God, there's just always
been one of my favorite bands, especially White Pony.
But like I celebrate the Deftones have never made a
stinker. Like they do what they do the
best. Abe Cunningham is the drummer
for Deftones and he's, it's funny, he's got sort of this

(01:07:59):
like Unicorn of a career where he's amazing and he could be, he
could play on like a lot of different stuff.
He could be like a session guy, but he doesn't have to be
because Deftones just stay active and stay awesome and stay
relevant. So he's got this great long
career just with one band. And I've looked up his other
stuff and he's played on a few other things and he's probably

(01:08:21):
played on stuff that hasn't beenreleased or he's not credited
for or something like that. But he's one of my favorite
drummers and he's one of the oneof my few sort of favorite
drummers where like everything he's done, everything that I've
heard of his is all of the same band.
He's because I like a lot of like drummers who play with a
lot of different people. I'm so impressed.
I've always been impressed by that.
I think it's, you know, what a what a good skill set to have.

(01:08:42):
So Abe is a great drummer in Deftones that the drum beat and
digital bath has like so much open space, but the groove is so
solid. The foundation is, you know, you
know the song. Can you like?
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I've got it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's mostly like a linear,
what's called a linear drum drumbeat, which is what that means

(01:09:03):
is like you're not hitting. No, no two of your limbs are
hitting anything at the same time.
If you think like a normal drum beat, you know, like your right
hand is going to and your left hand is going to cut.
So like on the two and the four,like your right left hand are
hitting at the same time and your bass drums hitting on the
one you know, like but like for like a linear drum part you it's

(01:09:23):
every everything you hit is hit by itself.
So he's playing his beat. So like no, no two of his limbs
are touching anything at the same time.
It's hurting, I think. About it I'm It does make sense,
but I'm not coordinated enough to even play a normal beat on
the drums, let alone something as complicated as it's a no limb
is ever doing anything at the same moment that's.

(01:09:45):
It's wild. It's like it's something that if
you really want to see people dothis style of playing and blow
your freaking mind, like watch some gospel chops player dudes
like these like young church kids, a lot of a lot of kids on
TikTok and Instagram like do this stuff and it's like they
blow your mind with these chops and it's like, that's cool.
At some point I get tired of like, I'm like, just play a beat

(01:10:06):
like. At some point I just want a
groove pull. It down, yeah, but for like Abe
Cunningham did this and what this record came out in like
1992 or 93 or something or no, it was like 90.
I think it was in the mid 90s, maybe 97.
But still, that's the first timeI recognize like, oh, that's
what he's doing. Like he's playing.
I didn't even know what it's called when I first heard him,

(01:10:28):
but he came. Out 2000.
It was 2000. OK, Yeah, yeah, I got my dudes
screwed up for a second. But so yeah, love that beat.
It's a linear drum part. The groove is fucking rock solid
when they play it live. Like it's already a pretty slow
song when they play it live. He plays it even a little bit
slower, which just I think makesit like it just sits deeper and
like, it just feels cool to me. Like, one thing that I really

(01:10:50):
love is when drummers are reallygood at playing very slowly,
especially heavy and slow like you were talking about in like
in one, you know, when like the drums go to halftime and stuff
like, but when a drummer can play super slow but still feel
good, like I love that. And then to dovetail back to the
thing about airplanes, Stefan Carpenter, the the guitar player
in Deftones is an outspoken flatearther and he doesn't fly.

(01:11:16):
He refuses to fly in airplanes. So.
Weird, just like doesn't want himself proved wrong.
I guess or he's afraid the plane's going to fly off.
He just doesn't want himself, like, just doesn't want to prove
himself wrong. That's so funny.
And he's like a I've met people.I've met him once, like a
festival. He played like backstage.

(01:11:37):
He was very nice dude. He was just like sitting in a
lawn chair, like smoking weed and being very friendly.
And I've watched him in interviews, seems like a really
friendly, loving dude. He just believes the earth is
flat. So he doesn't doesn't fly.
Yeah, so he doesn't fly in airplanes either.
But great guitar player, like really inventive guitar parts.
And like the way that his style,the way I understand it, he

(01:12:00):
writes a lot of the heavier stuff and Chino, the singer
writes a lot of the prettier stuff.
And like my favorite thing about, well, I have a lot of
favorite things about that band,but like the fact that they can
be beautiful and be heavy separately or together.
And they, they're like the only band, maybe the only band that,
like, gets a pass for rapping sometimes over metal for me, you

(01:12:21):
know, like, I'll listen to Chinorap over some metal music and
I'm fine with that. But like, usually, usually
that's not a winning combination.
Yeah. Deftones makes Don feel
uncomfortable. Yeah, there's those bands that
like play in like certain keys that makes me feel like my
T-shirts on backwards as I'm listening to this Deftone song.

(01:12:42):
Like, I mean, I've heard enough Deftones to know like Digital
Bath is like a song that I'm familiar with.
I don't know if it was a single,but it's a song I'm familiar
with. I love this one chosen for drums
because the sound of the drums is so good.
Like they sound like they're in a big open room, but so clean
and crisp still at the same time.
They sound really awesome. But yeah, Deftones definitely
makes me feel like I have my shirt on backwards.

(01:13:04):
Like it's just like something's just something's a little not
right. Like it's just something's just
a hair off with. Deftones and Portishead are the
two that make me feel the. Most uncomfortable.
Yeah. This board has said make you
feel like your shirts on backwards.
Yeah, that one's the one. Started my shirt being on
backwards and I feel like Deftones kind of lives in the
same world. Funny.
Yeah. All right, Don me.

(01:13:24):
Yeah, your turn. Oh shit, I don't know where to
go now. I've got a bunch.
I I guess I will go. I'm going to go.
Whipping post by The Allman Brothers.
Download. I feel like I'm down, yeah.

(01:13:55):
Oh cool, good one. And it's they're ranked the 52nd
best band of all time and like the 100 greatest bands by
Billboard or whatever. But in this song specifically,
like I, I'm always impressed by any drummer that can play in an
off time signature. And this is in 7-8.
So that just blows my mind. It doesn't make sense to me.

(01:14:15):
Anytime that it's not 4/4 it confuses me immediately.
Freddie drummer the whole time in a 7-8 time signature is
pretty damn impressive and I don't know that I've had any
classic rock Rod have I had any classic rock like?
Ever on the pod you have? Yeah.
I think so. I'd have to look it up, but but
I'm stoked on this pic. I love, I love Allman Brothers,
great music, all great musicians.

(01:14:37):
Yeah, the whole band and. It like, and I don't want to
give away my honorable mention, but the time signature thing was
between two songs of the of the four songs that I get to pick
and The Allman Brothers, I thinkwould is the cooler of the two.
The other one's still cool, and I'll talk about an honorable
mention, but The Allman Brothers1 is a cooler one.
I. Think I not.

(01:14:57):
I don't want to be. I think the song is actually in
nine. I don't think it's in seven.
Which makes it even more fuckingdifficult to understand.
It's in like 11. Because it's like, right I'm.
Sorry, as a drummer like I can't, Oh yeah do.

(01:15:18):
You think? Yeah.
Do you think? As I was looking it up, it says
that it was in 7-8. So I I mean shit, what is you
know. Maybe it's a long song, maybe
there's another section that's in 7-8 that.
I actually think it changes the time signatures at some point
because I was just it. Definitely does in.
My ears and it definitely changes time signatures.
So it's it's like in six for theverses, like a very 23456.

(01:15:41):
Well, now I have to listen to that song because I I, I do love
that song too. I remember.
Fucking song. It's a great song and there's a
really weird cover of it that Frank Zappa did.
That I heard. When I was a teenager and it's
like, it's good. It's really fast and it sounds
kind of goofy because that's Frank Zappa and all this music
is goofy. Like I find, Small tangent, I

(01:16:03):
find Frank Zappa's music to be kind of unlistenable, but I love
everything about him. Yeah, You know what I mean?
Like. Yeah, it makes total sense.
Yeah, it's like. He is that guy.
I think that that's the perfect explanation for Frank Zappa.
Really cool. Don't want to listen to anything
he's done. Just doesn't.
That's exactly right. And I know the people.
Obviously his music is for people out there somewhere

(01:16:25):
because people, you know, love him.
And he had a career, quite a career.
I've read his, like I read his autobiography when I was a
teenager and it was so fucking interesting, so funny.
He's a he was a hilarious dude too.
I. Really enjoy interviews with
him, like on like old talk showsand stuff.
Like he's really smart guy, really interesting.
I actually like watching his oldperformances too.

(01:16:46):
I mean, I'm with you. I'm not really into the music,
but he was a wild performer too.Yeah, yeah.
He's just unpredictable artists,you know?
He's like a performing artist asmuch as he is a musician.
And he put he put his musicians through the ringer too, like his
live, his live bands and the rehearsals they did, they would
rehearse 8 hours a day for two months before they were going to
I've. Heard that, like I've heard he
was like really hard, like a hard person to play in his band

(01:17:09):
like. You don't like, you have to be
like on another level to be to play with Frank Zappa.
That's like he had like Vinny Caluda and Terry Bozio and drums
and stuff. Like him and him and like Steely
Dan were like, we just only wantthe best of the best of the
best. I mean, you have to prove it to
us constantly. Kind of a thing.
Sounds like it. Yeah.
So interesting dude. Sorry to.

(01:17:30):
No. It's great.
That's great. Is badass.
Roderick. I'm going with this is the one
that is one of my favorite drummers, so Jimmy Chamberlain.
So I'm doing a Smashing Pumpkinsand I'm going to do I'm going to
do Jelly Belly. OK, as much as I almost don't

(01:18:08):
want to admit it, but I watched Rick Beatos interview with Jimmy
Chamberlain I. Bet it was.
Good. It was great and he was doing
this Rick's Rick's great sometimes and he's insufferable
sometimes. So it just depends.
But it was a cool interview because it was Jimmy was sitting
at the drums the whole interview.
So it was like because they would be talking, you know, I
mean, if so for listeners, you don't know who Rick Beatos is.

(01:18:30):
He's like a big YouTube, but he's like a musician and a music
theory guy and a producer. And so stuff is very great hair,
great hair. Great Gray hair.
Great Gray hair. Great Gray hair.
It's very musician specific, like nerding out on on stuff.
So like his interview with Jimmyis like, I have a question about

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what you played on the song. And then Jimmy would answer, but
then Jimmy would play it right. So and one of the questions was
just can you play Jelly Belly for me?
And he just plays it and you're like, because that song is so
dense. It's it's on melancholy.
It's really heavy. I don't know if you can, you can
hear it in your head right now, but like it's so dense that you
almost can't hear everything he's doing.

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So watching him play that drum part just on drums, I'm like,
it's just wild. It's just wild.
And he is such a jazz style drummer and to have a jazz style
drummer playing like, you know, really Hard Rock, borderline
metal at times, alternative rockstuff, it's so it gives the
pumpkin such a cool vibe to me. Like I think that's one of the

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things that made that makes thatband One of my favorites.
Like I like their guitar tone. I like a lot of the other things
people like. They have great songs.
But his drumming is so differentfrom what like other alt band
drummers were doing 100. Percent.
I love. It I think in my he's easily the
best part of that band in my opinion.
Like he's an incredible drummer.There's a cool you if you you
should write this down and there's a you can just search

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like a Jimmy Chamberlain the Crucible.
It's a drum solo composition of his and you can find videos of
him performing I think at like maybe at Nam or like like Pasik
or something, just like was a big drum convention, but watch
Jimmy Chamberlain do his drum solo the Crucible.
It's. It's awesome.
It's so. Good.
Just write it down. I'm 100% gonna listen to it.

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It's super cool. I had a smashing pumpkin song.
Roderick, did you? Yeah, I did.
I had tonight. Tonight, though.
That's a good one. Yeah, he's a great drummer, so
it's right. And there was that whole song is
like all in the snare drum, justyeah, playing a snare role the
whole song. It's just such a tone.
I went Jelly Belly because I didn't have anything heavy or
like rocking on outside of that really.

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So like I was like, if I'm goingto do a pumpkin song, let's I'll
kind of fill that gap in my pics.
But I mean, you can pick so muchstuff from them for drums.
Like he, he is incredible. And my understanding from what
I've kind of gleaned from interviews Billy Corrigan has
done and he's done a gajillion of him because he won't stop
talking. But he they basically recruited

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him. He was in a jazz band and they
recruited him from a jazz, like,he was a traditionally, like
trained jazz drummer. He was playing in jazz bands in
Chicago. He's significantly older than
the rest of the band, is my understanding.
And when they wanted a new drummer, they were like, I think
Billy, which just makes sense because Billy's very, I mean,
almost back to that Frank Zappa conversation.
Like, I think Billy just wanted the best he could get.

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And, you know, and I think he thinks he's one of the best.
And I think he's like, if we're going to replace our drummer,
let's get the best drummer around, whatever kind of music
he plays. And they went with a guy that
played jazz who just also happened to be incredible at
playing rock, you know? Yeah, definitely.
Worked. That was a good pick.
Good move. But I'm stoked, I'm stoked on
everybody's feelings about Jimmybecause I'm sometimes like

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musician friends of mine. No Jimmy, no Jimmy, no no.
It's like people, you know? You're a musician.
Friends of mine, oh, in my opinion, yeah you do shit.
Sometimes I shit in their opinions, yeah.
No, but Jim, I, I feel like, youknow, Billy takes so much
spotlight. People don't talk about Jimmy a
lot. And I think Jimmy probably
prefers it that way, to be honest.
But like, he should get so much fucking credit as a drummer.
Also he fucking came back from heroin addiction.

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Yeah. He's strong as hell, you know,
snaps to Jimmy. Dude, that's awesome.
And looks great too like maybe he's like he does not look his
age. He's super fit and just like
seems mentally healthy too, likewhen I have seen him in
interviews and stuff. Actually, I highly recommend
that Rick Beato interview to anybody who who's interested in
like it's, it's really good. It's a little nerdy, right?

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Like that's what Rick does. So it's very nerdy.
So you'll probably like it Daganbecause you're a drummer.
So it's like very. After for you.
But yeah, all right. Yeah, Dagan, your third pick
all. Right, I'm just writing down
Beato interviews. Jimmy Chamberlain, remember to.
All right, cool. I'm going to go some classic
rock this time as well, which I've got a couple I'll do.

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I'm going to do LaGrange by ZZ Top.
Just let me know if you're goingto go.
They got a lot of nice. Yeah.

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They got a lot of nice girls. How, how how?
Trey Sombres great, great record.
I like ZZ Top. My first concert I ever went to
that I that I want that I chose to go to was ZZ Top and George
Thorogood was the opener, which is kind of funny.
That makes sense. Yeah, but I went and saw ZZ Top

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with my neighbor. I was 14, my neighbor was 16.
And when we went with his parents, you know, and I went
and saw them at the Notre Dame Civic Center, you know, cool.
Like, obviously this is a soft spot in my heart for that band.
But just the song The Grange haslike, is one of the things I was
thinking about. I do sit down and try to because
it's such a fucking tight shuffle that he's playing just

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to do, to chat, to do, to chat, to do, to chat and like he's
doing a lot and you don't noticeit, which is often when you can
tell something's really good is when a lot's happening, but you
can't tell. You just don't know his like his
foot pattern is for the whole song and like, and it's like

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most drummers try to play that and like your leg catches on
fire after you do it for like a minute.
It's just like you're moving so much, you're working hard.
And it's obviously it's an iconic song with the little
stick clickies and the spoken word stuff.
And it's got that like that drumfill before the guitar solo, you
know, like, like everything about that song.

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That's every every drummer that's one of their favorite
songs. I also like his like, little
intro thing he does before he comes in with the shuffle too.
That's a great film, yeah. You also can't.
You also can't beat Billy Gibbons.
Big beard Elwood Francis. Giant beard Frank.
Beard, Frank Beard. Beard it's.

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Classic. It's classic.
I love that. Yeah, it's really funny.
There's a there's a great live video of ZZ Top performing.
I think the video is called likethe Backyard BBQ.
It was like in the 70s in Texas.You can check it out on YouTube
or whatever. And it's a concert of them
performing. They're playing on this big

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patio to a huge crowd. This is one of the songs they
do. And like Frank Beard is back
there. He's got like his big over ear
headphones on with like the microphone out front looks like
what like helicopter pilots wearand like TV like like like MASH
or whatever, you know what I mean?
Like TV shows. So he's got one of those big

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headsets on and he's wearing like a button down cowboy shirt,
if I remember correctly. He's definitely wearing like
Wranglers and cowboy boots and that's what he's playing in.
And you can watch the camera like cuts to behind him for a
bit when they're playing LaGrange.
And you can watch his right footdoing this bass drum pattern
just like rocking on the pedal to do, to do and cowboy.

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Boots. Yeah, and cowboy boots, which is
like insane to me. Like cowboy boots like go all
the way up your leg and you don't have a whole lot of like
flexibility in your ankle or whatever.
And granted, his cowboy boots, he probably had them forever and
they're really soft and pliable or something, but it's awesome.
And then when the when he does, when he does another one of the
iconic drum fills, Dusty and Billy, like, stop playing their

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guitars and they like walk backwards and do like the
California Raisins, like, Oh, yeah, yeah.
With their little dancing. Yeah, a little.
Dance and like they're like, choreography on stage is so
perfect. They're just like as they're
playing their guitar and bass parts, they like walk in unison
to the left, to the right, forward, backwards, like in

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totally in step with each other.Just looking like a million
fucking dollars. Yeah.
Good, good stuff. So, yeah, LaGrange, it's a
tight, tight shuffle. That dude is a crazy, awesome
drummer. Yeah.
My turn. Yeah, back over to me.
Yes, yeah, your last pick. Shit.
All right, this is a tough one because I've got I, I've got
songs I want to put on here but I can't.

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Like I would, but I don't want to give away my honourable
mentions. It's a shit show I'm going to do
in the air tonight by Phil Collins.

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Sweet. Yep.
Yep, absolutely. Glad it's on here.
Yeah, it, it belongs on here. It's a little on the nose, but.
No, no. It's, I mean, you can't deny how
great of a drummer Phil Collins is, despite how awesome this
song is. He is actually.
I want your opinion and tell me if you agree.
Is he having a renaissance in popularity right now?

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Are you finding that Phil Collins is more present in in
your like in the Phil Collins sphere or whatever you want to
like? Didn't he just proclaim
something? Didn't he say he was done
playing? And it like, didn't that cause a
bit of a resurgence? Didn't he just say like, I'm,
I'm kind of hanging up like. He just did his final.
He had like some pretty bad spinal surgeries over his career
and it's. For playing drums standing up

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for so many years. And like his son, Nick has been
playing drums for Phil Collins for a while.
And also like his doctors say hemight, he could be dead like
any, he might just die. You know, he's like, I think
he's pushing 8 years old. Yeah, 74.
I wonder it seems like he's justbeen.
I keep hearing about him which is great because I am a fan and
there's a 2 hour documentary about him on YouTube right now

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made by the dudes at Drumio thatI've been watching and it's
really cool, very charming. Cool channel.
Also Drumio, yeah. It's fun, Yeah.
Yeah. Nobody really.
They they do what they do betterthan anybody else as far as
like, you know, drum content. But it's funny because like I
was watching that documentary yesterday, as a matter of fact,
speaking to Phil Collins and other singularity things.

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There we go. Here it is again.
And and I've been listening to he was in a band called made a
record, but the band called Brand X, which is like totally
far out instrumental, like prog rock.
And I was listening to that yesterday and it's incredible.
And it's like super weird and impressive.
And I guess he was almost the drummer for Yes at some point

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like that. I could see that though, right?
I mean, he was in Genesis, like that's the, he was like a
progra, you know, makes it on me.
Yeah, yeah. Great, great drummer.
One of the coolest Wikipedia stats is he is one of three
recording artists along with Paul McCartney and Michael
Jackson who has sold over 100 million records both as a solo

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artist and separately with the member of the band.
So between Genesis and his solo shit he sold 100 million
records. Yeah, well.
That's fucking what an accomplishment.
What a. Career, yeah.
No shit. Jesus, like the dude that's a
very talented guy, can write hits, great singer, great
drummer. I was.
Going to say I can sing and while playing drums which is

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always like an impressive thing when.
That's it's, that's hard, he said.
He said that it wasn't hard for him to do that.
He was like, it was never challenging for me to sing while
I drummed, but he was like, but it just didn't work as a front
man, like it needed to be on thefront of the stage.
Especially singing lead, right? Like if you're going to sing the
lead part drums, like, you know,I get, I get maybe from a visual
standpoint, but like when, when drummers can sing lead and still

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sound great, it's impressive. I just feel like it takes so
much of your body to drum. How does that not impact your
ability to sing on time and on pitch and without the like
breath? Like, it's wild, you know, like
that you can do that. Like, I mean, you got him and
like Don Henley and I guess I'm sure there's more.

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Dude like Don Braun Daylor from Mastodon he's pretty good at.
Mastodon death from above 1979 dude.
Oh. Yeah, he's the singer, Don
Henley. Whatever.
Like he's not. Playing anything very hard.
Yeah, right. Of all the people we just named
him, he's got the easiest. Job of.
All his gig at that, he wasn't agood I think that like Journey

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has a singing drummer who sings lead on something like whatever
Journey is now, like whoever is in that band now, you know,
they've got like a dude who plays drums and.
Who has? The little who is the fan,
that's the singer of the band. Is it Journey or Styx?
I think that's Journey that has the the Filipino guy.
Filipino. Yeah.
Yeah. That's like fond of the karaoke.
Mind blowing, but I love that. It's pretty funny, yeah, But I'm

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pretty sure, like, Journey also has a drummer that is a very
good singer. I think that's right, but man,
maybe I'm wrong. But yeah, that's very difficult.
I. Rolling Stones 43 Greatest
drummer out of the 100 Greatest Drummers of all time Killing
Collins. Really.
Yeah. Cool, it's.
Crazy. I I quote Rolling Stone on here
too all the time and I will continue to do so, but lately
I've been getting more and more like man, Rolling Stones shit is

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all over the place sometimes. Like I don't know who writes.
Those. For them.
But I mean, fair enough. I quote them all the time on
here too. Or at least when they pop up on
somebody's Wikipedia. Sure.
Yeah, exactly. All right, cool.
That's my that's my last one. That's a good list.
All right, my last pick is goingto be I Got the Feeling by James
Brown. I just wanted, I love, I love

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funk drumming, but especially James Brown's drummer who I
didn't know his name until it's Clyde Stubblefield.
You are 100% right. And it's just that, like,
especially as somebody who loveship hop like this, like hip hop
has like Clyde and drummers likehim from the funk movement to
thank for all their breaks, funky.
Drummer. Yeah, Drummer.
I mean, yeah, and I almost went with funky drummer, but I was

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like, I just have to be different or not be 200 notes
and I and I really like I got the feeling a lot.
I love this drum beat. It's got like this really cool,
like like stutter thing in the beat that I really like.
It's just, it's just unique. It's different and it grooves
and it and you have to be able to find like a a fucking pocket.
If you're the rhythm section forJames Brown and you're playing
like 9 minute long funk songs while he's just doing his thing,

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you know, like that the that that rhythm section man, like he
had one of the best. And again, I didn't know their
names until I just looked them up, but I respect them.
You know Clyde and Bernard the drummer and the bass player.
Like good on YouTube. Good and your list rod.
Your list is like the most. It's like legit.
Thank you. I appreciate that you got.

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Blondie, Benny Goodman, Pumpkinsand.
Jesus digging, I'm never going to hear the end of it.
It's not. True.
Jeez, every episode is going to be like well, you know, I heard
I had the most legit list, but I.
Mean yeah, sorry, yeah you just have to give him more shit when
he. Fucks him.
Yeah, that's true. I can do that.
Well, here's dynamic. Can I tell you why?
You know, if I'm being honest and I'm going to maybe self own

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a little bit here, I as much as I really enjoy James Brown, I
think he's great. I would have loved to see him
live. But like listening to those
recordings, I don't know I ever get to the end of a James Brown
song. They all go on too fucking long.
But when I am like, as they do start to go on longer and longer
and longer, I get more and more and more impressed by the drums.
It's always felt like that's whyit popped in my head because

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every time I listen to James Brown at some point in the song,
I'm like, man, this fucking drummer is still just doing this
thing for. 7 minutes and 30 seconds in.
Yeah, well, cooked up James is just fucking probably.
And I realized that these are recordings and that's not how
life actually works. I'm picturing them playing live,
but he has to do this stuff livetoo.
And these songs probably get extended live all the time.

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And I'm just like, man, it's just impressive.
So that's why it has popped in my head.
It's like. That's a that's totally valid.
You know. Jim Jim's round songs can.
They can drag. They can go on for which, yeah,
for sure, but you. But being I'm sure being in that
band, especially being in the rhythm section of the band is a
clinic and like it turns you outand turns you into a very good
player. You would have to be incredibly

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consistent to be able to and, and be able to like, probably
adapt and like, think on your feet live at least.
Because it seems like that song ends when James tells you it
ends, right? Like he feels like he's a band
conductor too. So you got to be, you know, hit.
Me three times. Exactly, Yeah.
Yeah, so it's I could have gone with Fuckie Drummer, also great.

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But I, I. This one's great, too.
So whenever you go listen to James Brown, go listen to fights
on the field, Yeah. Do it.
Good call. Great pick.
Last, last and final pick. All right, it's funny because
like I feel it's, I'm so conflicted about it's.
Always happens. Yeah, I know man.
Like I'm looking at mine so far and like the the diversity of my

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list is not very vast, but you know, I am what I like what I
like so. Yeah, it's your list, man.
Yeah, well, I mean the diversityof the four songs, not including
the two backups. Yeah, I'm just going to pick
Eulogy by Tool. There we go.

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Track 2 off of Anima. Another drummer that I feel like
had to be on here, had to be on the list. 100% yeah.
I couldn't leave him off of there.
Yeah. That's, I mean that record that
came out in 1996. I was, you know, I was like a
junior. I graduated in 97.
So I think when that record cameout, I was a senior in high
school and and I was familiar with Tool from intolerance and

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from the song Sober. That was like their.
You know, the creepiest, creepiest video you've ever
seen. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, for sure. The video, done by Adam Jones,
the guitar player in Tool, was the special effects makeup dude
in Hollywood before making it into the rock'n'roll world.
And a lot of people credit the influence of the like.

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Basically, they say Adam Jones stole the aesthetic of the sober
video from the brothers Quay, who are like these two brothers
who made animations. Yeah, I did AI, sorry, they're a
little nerdy, but dude, I I wentway down the brothers Quay in
college when I was in school, like I watched so much brothers
Quay stuff, dude, and I had fun with that in a while.

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But that is very much I absolutely see that when I when
I watch, when I see the sober video or that kind of stuff.
That's what immediately what I think of like I did like like a
knock off brothers Quay animation for my classes like.
Yeah. Dorky shit, yeah.
That's, that's, that's what college is for, man.
You go, you go down these fucking rabbit holes.

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So Anima comes out in 9697. I'm a senior in high school.
I'm at that point. I've been playing for 3 1/2,
four years, something like that.And like, I was really into
progressive rock and metal. I still am, but like when I was
starting off, whereas a lot of my peers worked into punk rock
and stuff like that, I started off in prog rock and metal and

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shit and found punk rock a little bit later, like in my 20s
or whatever. And so I went to college after
high school for, I went for a year.
I was sort of like, it's kind oflike rudderless.
I was like, I don't, I guess I should go to college because I'm
supposed to go to college. You know, our generation was
taught you need to go to college.
And so I went for percussion performance.

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And so I'm, I'm a, I'm a music student, I'm trying to be an
educated drummer and I'm like, Ifind this band Tool and this
record Anima. And it's like this drummer is
doing all this insane stuff. And it was like came along right
at the right time for my like mycraving musical education, you
know, taking music theory, taking lessons, going to college
and all that. And so it was like it was
perfect for me at the time. And I still, I still love the

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record. In this particular song, it's
the song is like 8 1/2 minutes long or something like that.
In the intro before the vocals, even the lyrics even start.
I think it's 2 1/2 or 3 minutes before the 1st phrase kicks in.
Just a long polyrhythmic intro. Or Danny Carey is looping all
this stuff by himself. And I've seen him do this song

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live several times and like he, he pulls it off live and he like
triggers everything himself, sets his loops himself.
Like they're not running tracks.He's just doing this.
And I learned pretty recently, it's super cool.
And I learned pretty recently, actually, in a, in a Rick Biato
interview with Danny Carey, the tool doesn't record to a click
track in the studio. They never have.

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Jesus Christ, Yeah. They don't use a click in the
studio like they'll use a metronome to like set the tempo
like tick tick. That sound good?
Cool. We'll play it this fast you.
Know that's how he just and thenhe just goes and he just.
Goes. That's wild.
Yeah, and he was like, he was like, man, if we use the click
track, it probably wouldn't fit because their songs changed Todd
and nature so much. It's like eventually the click

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track wouldn't line up anymore. I.
Mean that's true. That makes sense.
Yeah, and you can program a click if you want and but that's
a whole fucking thing. And also they're really good
players and like their songs, push and pull a lot and.
Like you. Know it's not right for
everybody. So he's doing all these
polyrhythmic things on top of each other and the rest of the
band. This kind of tools whole thing
you probably know. I'm sure people know who listen.

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Like one of their things is theydo very confusing stuff with
time, which I really loved as a music student.
And also aside from the crazy big intro, like once the actual
like foundational beat comes in,it's a really simple beat.
Do cut, cut, do cut. That's all the kick and snare
doing cut. But then like around it, there's

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like bongo drums and like castanets and shakers and stuff
like. And.
He's playing all that live, likehis hands are going, you know,
1,000,000 miles an hour, but hisfoot and his kicking the snare
is going boom TA TA. I'm glad you chose this because
of that too, because I have, I also have that thought.

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I was like, one of the things with drums is different from
like bass, for example, is like you could get into a lot of
other percussion stuff and does that count as the drums?
And I'm like, I was thinking of these songs.
So I'm just glad that there's a song in here that has a lot of
different percussive elements and not just like the drum set
because it is a whole like, you know, some bands have percussion
sections or like, they bring in this stuff and it's very, you

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know, very cool. So.
Danny Carey is doing the the work of like three people, yeah.
Yeah. That time and also it's worth
mentioning there going into the like the sort of like chill
bridge of that Don, you probablyknow like the the bass line do.
Do do do do do do do do. Do, do, right.
Yeah. Like the drum fill that Danny
Curry does. A roll from low to high up the

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Toms, the ends on the snare drum.
Like that drum fill. I learned how to play it about
five years ago. After having listened to it for
25 years. I finally learned it.
What a cool drum fill. That's that's one of my
favourites of all time. Yeah.
I mean, if you look at Danny Carey's rig like he's in a
fortress. He's.
Surrounded by so much shit like that's a that's.

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A. Unique talent to be able to
navigate just the amount of shithe's surrounded with.
So yeah, yeah, it's pretty damn impressive though.
Like a drummer with a that big of a kit, is there stuff that he
like maybe hits one at like one time in an entire set?
And that's why it's there because like there's he like
Don, you're right. There are so many drums in his,
like, there's so many. Pieces.
In his kit is he using all that?But.

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Like he's surrounded by racks ofshit.
To to. Yeah, pads.
Pads and stuff, yeah. I can say that, yeah, he uses
all that stuff. I've I've I'm a.
That's impressive. I'm a huge fan, a student of
that dude's fucking drumming. I've watched every single video
that is out there, been playing and I've seen him live, you
know, four or five times or whatever, I guess all that shit.

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I guess I'm really asking is, ishe?
Does he hit the gong? Fuck.
Yeah, he does. At any point, actually.
Then that's what I want. He hits the gong in the song
Ladder, Alice. Yeah, yeah.
But he totally does. Because I feel like, I feel like
I've seen especially like eighties, 80s battle bands with
the big giant kiss. They would always have a gong
behind him too. And it's like.
They never touched that. They never.
Fucking hit the gong like you go.

(01:44:08):
Why do you? Fucking cool.
Why do you drive that gong around?
And some poor roadies pulling that gong out of your trailer
and setting it up every night and you never use that dancing?
Yeah. So let's.
I'm glad. I'm glad that Danny uses the
gong. It's the gong and it's funny
because there is video of him hitting the gong.
It's like, I think it's sort of become like a crowd favorite
part of the set of the song Lateralus.

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He like rolls down the Toms and like there's like a section
before when his hands aren't as busy and he takes the big mallet
for the gong and like sticks it under his arm and like sits it
on the floor but next to where he can grab it.
And so he goes down the Toms, reaches down, grabs the mallet,
smacks the gong, throws the mallet, and his drum tech
catches it. And then goes back.
To the beat. Cool guy.

(01:44:50):
It's a cool moment in this play.That fucking Celtics jersey.
So fucking cool. Yeah.
And he just, and he's got, I've seen his like his Rd. case rack
that comes with him on tour that's got all of his basketball
jerseys in it. So he like, wears a jersey for
the city they're in every night.Yeah.
Don Honorable mentions. Oh, honorable mentions Jeff for
sure. I had the pumpkin song tonight

(01:45:12):
tonight, which we talked about. I also when we were talking
about weird timing, I had Money by Pink Floyd.
Oh, that was. Oh yeah.
That's good. Another really weird time song.
And then I just put a Weezer song on.
But I still wanted to put the Sweater song on, but because I
just did a Weezer song, I didn'twant to do that.
But that fucking that. The simplest of intros is the
most recognizable of intros for the Sweater song.

(01:45:34):
That's it. Yeah.
And then it's a little douchey, but I wonder if it's excused
from the douche because it's Mike Portnoy.
And I wanted to put Nightmare byAvenged Sevenfold on there, but
can we pass the fact that it's an Avenged Sevenfold song
because it's Mike Portnoy? Is legit dude.

(01:45:55):
Is that excusable? Like, we can look?
I asked Avenged Sevenfold. Because it's Mike Portnoy.
I'll, I'll allow it. OK, cool.
So, yeah, so those are my honorable mentions.
I only had two. I had Tusk by Fleetwood Mac.
I mean, I was thinking about bringing the whole percussion
thing in, but it felt on the nose is wrong because I don't
mind on the nose. It's that it's that it's not
even drums. It's the whole, it's the

(01:46:16):
marching band aspect of it that you know, so.
But I do like the drums in that song.
And then surprisingly, but kind of, I kind of this one almost
made the cut, but I want candy by the Strangeloves such.
An echo. Yeah.
It's like the this is the Bo Diddley beat too, right?
Yeah. It's basically a Bo Diddley
beat. Yeah.

(01:46:37):
It's just beefier. It's like a little beefier
because it's like an 80s song. So yeah.
Sure, yeah. So.
No. Yeah.
That's it. Those are my honorable mentions.
I didn't have a ton, so yeah. What?
What were the other? What?
You're back. I also had to.
I had to like I had my other classic rock. 1 was Good Times,
Bad Times by Led Zeppelin. Oh shit.
Just. Like, because that was, I mean,

(01:47:01):
that was John Bonham was 19 years old when they put that
record out. Insane.
And he came out, he came out-of-the-box fully realized,
19 years old, like, hey, I'm fucking John Bonham and like,
listen to me. Like listen to my fucking foot.
Go do, do kick it. Do kick it.
Like do those crazy like double triplet things like that is just

(01:47:23):
what a tune. My my other one was the song
becoming by Pantera, which is off of far beyond driven just
because it was like like Vinny was doing like these, this
double bass drum pattern that nobody had done yet.
He, and it's like it's influenced every metal drummer

(01:47:45):
since then has like taken a pagefrom, from that song where he's
like got to get to get, to get to get to just doing this really
weird unusual pattern with his feet.
And I it was just, it's very specific.
It's very niche, but it's like, it made a huge difference in
like the the double bass drumming community.
And I like Pandora, you know, loving that band.
Yeah. Oh yeah, alright.

(01:48:06):
Alright, Don you want to recap the list?
Let's RIP through this bitch so Metallica one Blondie, Dreaming
Shiner, the egg Queens of the Stone Age, Song for the dead,
Benny Goodman sing sing sing theDeftones digital bath Allman
Brothers band, whipping posts, Smashing pumpkins, Jelly Belly,
ZZ Top, LaGrange, Phil Collins in the Air Tonight, James Brown.

(01:48:27):
I got the feeling and then eulogy by tool is the is the 12
song drum mixtape. It's.
A pretty diverse. 1. It is very diverse.
You feel like you got an opener,you feel like you know the one
that's going to kick off the mixtape.
I haven't, I haven't thought about, I haven't got.
I've been thinking about. I'm excited to sequence this
when I get around. Yeah.
No, not yet. Yeah, don't make the pressure.

(01:48:49):
He always does this. He always, he always wants one
of his songs to be the opener. That's true.
Campaign all the time. I want to, I want to pick the
opener. And then there's also heavy
critiques of the sequencing, whether it's right or not,
subjectively, whether it's rightor not.
Completely subjectively. Yeah.

(01:49:09):
How to? Make.
Netflix fake man Dagan, thanks for coming on, dude.
Thanks so much man. Yeah, thanks for.
Having me it was a blast and good luck with, you know, the
the farewell tour. It's very sad.
It's very sad for me. It's probably way more sad for
you, but I'm bummed that I'm notgoing to it's.
Definitely bittersweet. It's going to be a great tour.

(01:49:31):
We're going to have a lot of fun, going to be going to shed
some tears. I'm sure we're going to have a
blast. Yeah, it's, I was, I tried to
count them. It looks like it's like 57
dates. It's a good good.
Yeah. Good chunk of date.
It's a good one. Yeah, we're.
Doing going everywhere in the States.
We've got a couple of kids and we're doing 1 show in London as
well. Yeah.
Well, I've talked about I've talked about murder by death so

(01:49:53):
much on this podcast. So also just make like do a
double plug like make sure you check out Billy Wyer 2 listeners
and are you guys anything happening with Billy like you
guys touring anytime soon or? Yeah, yeah, we're doing Punk
Rock bowling in May, OK, which is like, are you familiar?
It's like a punk rock festival. Yeah.

(01:50:14):
I think it's been going on for like 18 years, something like
that. So we're doing Punk Rock Bowling
on May 23rd out in Las Vegas. Remember doing the San Diego
show and the Los Angeles show before that to get warmed up.
And we are trying to do like a full band European Tour in
December. And in the meantime, we're going
to be working on new songs and trying to put together a new

(01:50:35):
record. So yeah, the Billy trains are
rolling for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm busy.
I'm MBD tour, Billy tour shows with Joshua cover band here and
there. So it's great, play a lot.
Hell yeah. And then we'll see you June
10th. Yeah, we will see you in June.
Yeah, auto bar, right? Auto bar, auto bar, Auto bar.

(01:50:58):
Awesome. Well, thanks, Dagan.
This is blast. Appreciate it.
Thanks, dudes. Yeah, of course.
Thanks for having me. Very cool.
Later.

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