Tape 41 - "The Good, The Bad and the Mixtape" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How many? Now, the making of a good
compilation tape is a very subtle art.
Many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to expresshow you feel.
This is a delicate thing. You got to kick it off with a
killer grab attention. Then you got to take it up

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enough. Then you got to.
Cool it off a notch and there are a lot of rules.
Save the weather for the podcast.
I was, so I was just saying and then Don said save it for the
podcast because there were a weather podcast before Music by
the Weather, he said. I'm draped in layers.
This. Is the heaviest hoodie I own.

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I woke up this morning and not only was it 38° outside, but I
had my AC on because it when I went to bed it was warm and so I
woke up freezing my ass off. Had to turn my heat on.
And yes I have I have a heavy hoodie on.
It's cold here. You're you're wiping your nose.
I've been wiping my nose all day.
This was prompted by you being draped in fabrics.

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I don't know what the weather even is anymore.
You know how you've done a greatjob, keep it up to date with
like fun stuff. You know, like whether it be
transitional songs or playing songs in the background.
I think we need like an intro segment to our weather stuff.
Like a little, like a little Jingle, a little weather Jingle.
It's the weather. I also did this with my Apple

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Watch and I think it's the best thing I've ever done.
Watch this. Oh fucked it up already.
I can just press a button on my watch and it does that.
Dude, it's so good. That's fantastic.
Oh. We kicked off the podcast with
the weather again. I don't know if my mics do a

(01:54):
good job picking it up. I hope.
It is. I can hear it.
So I think it's fantastic, yeah.We'll count that as good.
All I got. Is a all we got is a little.
Oh yeah, bad job. There we go, dude.
I've got, I've got stuff to talkabout.
Did you have anything to talk about?
Because I got stuff. You go with your stuff and I'll
just pepper some shit in because, I mean, obviously we

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have to talk about also. Bad call.
Never. Should I was too clicky?
Way too clicky, Sir. I'll.
Pepper some shit in, because obviously we also have to talk
about the concert that I went tolast night.
Well, that's on my topic list. So we share a topic list.
So let's do it, you know, let's start there.
So since our last recording, we both been to concerts that are
noteworthy. I, I guess my question for you

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is, has your Oh my God, I fuckedit up already.
I said Shern, Shern. Yeah, Shern.
Is your shirt turned around yet after last night?
No, there were times during the concert while I talked to, I was
talking with the person I went to where I was like my shirts
never been more backwards in this moment and like, here's
what's so crazy. So everyone saw Beth Gibbons.

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The singer report has had on oursolo tour.
Which I'm jealous that. It's old Goths.
You know what I change. We can't, we can't address them
as old Goths anymore. We need to address them as
mature Goths. So it's an audience of mature
Goths, OK, very at a very Nick Kavish audience.
And there are several mature Goths in the audience.

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And then also like people that were weighing in the movie
Hackers, right? That's that's the whole
Portishead crowd. Yeah, that's fair.
That's a whole crowd. I laugh.
It's fair and I love it. And there were. 123456788 Band
members including her as the vocalist and it was so

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immersive. It was beautiful.
Like I'm not going to like, I don't want to discredit like the
fact that I am not the biggest Portishead fan or not.
It was gorgeous. Like insanely talented
musicians. Like amazing visuals, like very
artsy light show that went alongwith it.
Her voice is angelic. I mean, it was an incredible

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experience of weird notes going together.
If you're hoping for a Beatles song, you're not getting in the
Beth Gibbons audience, but. I I would expect weird, but I
wasn't sure because Portishead and her solo could be different
things, right? So I didn't want to assume.
And I have listened to her music, which isn't super far
away. But I also like when you said
you were seeing her live, I was like, I don't know what that's

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going to be like. And it's not like I saw, Porter
said live, because I didn't. We sat next to AP1 Super like he
was fucking. He was Prince Portishead for
sure. And he was like very Privy to
all the shows and very Privy to all the insurance and outs.

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And he told us that Beth Gibbonsactually has debilitating stage
fright. So like, the fact that she's on
tour by herself is pretty profound.
That's that's like that's been along term thing though, like
back in the Portishead days thatthat's like a known thing in
that realm. She she has big time stage
anxiety, yeah. Yeah, and I mean, she kind of
wore it on her sleeve, which made it even that much more

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haunting where it's like, oh, I'm watching this woman struggle
through this as well. But absolutely gorgeous,
beautiful show. Never would have bought tickets,
never would have gone, but had an amazing time.
Such a cool theatre. Sought at the Auditorium Theatre
in Chicago. If you've never been, it's
gorgeous. That's where I saw High Fidelity
that Rob hosted. Oh, same theatre.
It's beautiful. I've never been there, but so I

(05:35):
saw Refused final Tour. I saw them in Brooklyn.
The venue was incredible. Went with friends which was
great and they were just amazing.
It was so incredible. My my, I wish they played
longer. But was it as brutal as I hoped
it would be? Brutal.

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Well, you can imagine the age group.
So like there were some circle pits and stuff, but it was, it
really wasn't that violent. It wasn't like it would have
been in like 95 or 98, you know.But they were still great live,
incredible. Like their drummer just blows my
mind. And Dennis is still fantastic.
It was a mixture of like their political, so they got into

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that, but they were also self deprecating.
They're like, we're old. He had like a purple dress shirt
on and you kept making fun of him.
He's like, he's like, I got a purple silk shirt on and I'm
singing hardcore. Like, you know, I don't know.
It was like it was a cool mix oflike they played what you wanted
to hear. They played it heavy.
It was right. But they also realized how old
they are and that this is, you know.

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I love that. Let's not forget the fact that
we're all old fucking guys. Old so that was awesome and it
was cool to see it with friends and my buddy and I'm going to
try to get him on the podcast. But my friend I went to college
with designed their the box set that they just released with all
the remix albums and stuff. Yeah, he did the whole does.
It's gorgeous, dude. It is.

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It is beautiful. Well, let's have Mr. Archie on
the podcast. Sam Kaufman, yeah, I'm going to
try to get him on. He does a lot of design for a
lot of big bands, but I was of all the stuff that he's done,
he's had way bigger bands and refused.
This is the one I was most stoked on.
Like I was messaging him like crazy.
Like, can I get an autographed copy?
Can I be like, what? He's like, dude, I didn't even,

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he's like, I didn't even get an autographed copy, but but yeah,
so, so that was rad. What a great show.
That's a great old man show. It's it was so good.
Did you listen or look at Dagan's sequencing for the drums
episode? No.
Tell me about it. I thought it was fantastic.
I was. I was impressed.
Yeah, I think he did. You could tell it was

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thoughtful. You know, I, I'm there might
have been one thing I would haveswitched a little bit, but I
can't even critique it because it's a hard one, man.
It was, it was so all over the place.
I thought he did a really solid job.
There's a. Great job, Dagan.
Yeah, there's a stretch of like Deftone Shiner pumpkins that are
all kind of heavy right in a row, but I didn't even mind
that. That's cool.

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He opened and closed with the opening and closing songs in my
opinion. If you do that, you're already
off to a good start. I thought his first three were
great for actually. I don't know man, I think he
nailed it. Great job digging like.
So there's a lot to talk about in terms of you and you're
behind the scenes dabblery. What are you talking about?
A couple new sticker logos. Yeah, I have that on the list.

(08:24):
We had new merch, so we got new stickers coming out.
There's new merch on the websitethat we haven't even posted on
social media yet. We should do that.
But I mean, I fucking just did the thing, dude.
The fucking black metal. Black metal.
Damn it. Is that good?
You said I could have a shirt from there so that I can have
one. Can I have one of those?
Yeah. Yeah, I'll get you.
You see, you make some size. I'll give you one.

(08:46):
Yeah, I will make it so you can have it.
So we have new merch on the website everybody I know Season
4. Picture of me.
Oh, where did I get that photo of you?
I. Don't know it's fucking good
though. We were at a work event.
We were at a work event last year.
What you were in the actual photograph?
You were holding ice cream. Which is makes sense, yeah.
Yeah, and that's where I pulled that photo.

(09:08):
Yeah, but I, I know Season 4 already kicked off, so the
timing's a little weird, but we've recorded these in weird
sequence timing thing. So this almost feels like the
kick off. But we yeah, there's new merch,
there's new stickers, there's a new Season 4 logo.
Great the new hoodie's great thedoes it have a fun name Prisoner
of mixtapes? Prisoner of mixtapes, get it?

(09:30):
I mean, you know, yeah, I get. It you could have done better,
What? What?
Would that? What do you want?
What do you want to say? I'll change it.
Prisoner of. Prisoner of sequencing and then
the the death death tape 1 is ridiculous.
That's so good. And and also props to anybody
that would potentially maybe wear a shirt with our faces on

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it. I could see Carlina wearing that
one. I think she would.
She's not on social media so sheprobably hasn't seen it, but
I'll send it to her. Thanks for nothing.
Carl, I know, right? All right.
So I wanted to try something. Oh, OK.
Yeah, here's what I got. Yeah.
We are a we're a music podcast who's and I wanted to have this

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for the last episode and I didn't.
Go. Ahead, was that on my transition
or is that on the fact that? Both kind of just you getting
set up. We're we're a music podcast that
talks way too much about the weather and our personal lives.
Honestly all. Right, that's fair.
I'm OK with a little personal life.
I'm yeah, too much. I'm not saying none, I'm just

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saying maybe too much. OK, I have music news here.
I'm going to I'm going to speed rattle off music news and I want
your instant take on it. OK but in the speed news thing,
we need an intro song that goes like like maybe the refused
intro but digital. Oh, like the new noise intro but
make it sound like a typewriter MIDI thing?

(10:54):
Yeah. Like.
Breaking news. Yeah, OK, got it.
Turnstile announced a new album coming out June 6th.
Care. You notice?
Don't care, you know it's gonna sound like.
Like turnstile, it's. Gonna sound like turnstile It's.
Gonna sound like you. Enjoy Turnstile.

(11:15):
You're gonna get another right in the old right in the
catcher's Mitt. You're getting another Turnstile
album. There's no chance that it will
be any different than the last Turnstile albums.
Totally fair. And I'm super excited about
that. OK, so.
Yeah, if you want turnstile, you're getting turnstile.
The White Lotus music producer quit the show because they were
giving him too many instructionsfor his music.

(11:37):
Do you care? Do you watch that show?
I have not, no. I'm balls deep in the pit right
now. You know what I'm I'm making a
conscious effort to not say balls deep anymore and to say
neck deep because balls is so gross.
I'm neck deep in the pit right now, no music.
All right, fair enough. The Skoggard guy, what's his
name? Something Skoggard.

(11:58):
Skarsgard. No the the.
Director guy? Nope or no?
He's in the new season, he's gota bad hairline, he's reinventing
the receding hairline. Goggins, Walter Goggins.
Yeah, it's close. Yeah, he has his house up on
Architect Digest. Yeah, his Hudson Valley house.
For sale for $3,000,000. It is a work of art.

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It is a gorgeous, beautiful. House It's also there's an
asshole back to the pit. There's an asshole character in
the pit named Doug Driscoll. Oh, that's right.
You you mentioned that to me. Maybe off air.
Hey, Doug, I hope you're listening.
You you watch the pit. Let me know if.
The asshole shoot fits. Go ahead.
What's next? Elton John and Brandi Carlile

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have that album come that what'sit called, collab album coming
out. Then they performed in us.
And how you feel about that? Intrigued.
Intrigued to the reviews are saying it's the best Elton album
in like over a decade. What?
Was the last good Elton album hedid that shit with JC or he did
that song where Justin Timberlake was a young hymn in
the music video. That was a long time ago.

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That was a long time ago. Relevant to the last episode.
Yeah. Klim Burke, Blondie's drummer,
passed away yesterday. Shit.
Is that my fault or not? Yeah, we've already identified
that we have. We can predict the fates of
things. We also made Dave grow a cheat
on his wife. Dave, I'm sorry, Clem, I'm

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sorry. Clem's family.
I'm sorry, but at. Least you're at.
Least you're on the pod. I got a message for you as well.
Hold on. OK.
Let me get over to the Instagrammessages.
I think it's in here. I'm saving the best or worst for
last year, so you. Tell Roderick he's confusing
Benny Goodman with Glenn Miller.Oh my.

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Oh my God, did I? Yeah.
Thanks, Sean for calling out Roderick.
I totally did. You did.
They're so similar. Though not in Sean Connor's
eyes, Sean Connor said. Not on.
Not on my fucking watch. Not on my watch.
Well, they're different people, so not wrong.
And also, I didn't, I didn't look it up beforehand, so fair

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enough. Totally fair.
I wonder what happened to Benny Goodman in his life.
I have no idea. And I'm not going to look it up
right now. Yeah.
John. John Feldman of Goldfinger and
Travis Barker are producing the new Sublime album.
Yeah. How do you feel about that?
It's as good as it's going to get.
There's a. Lot of hate for John Feldman

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producing this online when I looked into this.
Why? Yeah, they're like, oh, he's
going to over produce it. It's going to sound all auto
tuned and polished and that's not what Sublime is and yadda
yadda. And it's like, Sublime hasn't
put out an album since, what, like 95 as this band?
You know what else do I got here?
I hope. I'll give you one more.

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I've got a I've got a handful ofmore, but I'll give you one
more. I'm.
Killing it right now. I'll give you one more because I
found this interesting the the new the new Tron movie Tron
Aries. Have you seen the preview for
it? No dude, that's cool.
Fucking cabin in the woods for the last two weeks in Vancouver.
So the new also. Shout out to Jess for being the
best friend and seeing me for three hours when I was in

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Vancouver for two weeks. Cool Jess, thanks.
Hope Flora's loving her new sweater.
She's been traveling too, right?She was home the whole.
Time she was gone for. Two days of two weeks.
You're going to have to comment on this, Jess.
You're going to have to either defend yourself or something, I
don't know. So the Neutron trailer dropped.

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It looks pretty cool. The score is by 9 Inch Nails,
not Trent Reznor, but specifically 9 Inch Nails.
That's all I read. What do you think that means?
And does that excite you? Yeah, that definitely excites
me. And well, I guess it makes sense
because a lot of Trent Reznor's shit lately has been so

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commercial production. Like, I mean, he did the score
for Seoul, the Disney movie, youknow, he did the he did the
score for This Social Network. So that one was that one leaned
a little more 9 Inch nails. He was a little more
electronica. But like, I'm hoping it's
fucking Trent Reznor at his finest.

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At his finest, Yeah, At his finest.
I just hope it means that this in my mind, that just means that
when you went to do the score, he was like, you know, what
would actually score this movie better than just me doing it is
these should be 9 Inch Nails style songs.
So let's just do it as nine. You know what I mean?
Like industrial kind of. Yeah, totally.
But it's, it's interesting because I, you know, in my mind
he is 9 Inch Nails and he is Trent Reznor.

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So creating a distinction between the two for a movie
score intrigues me for sure. That's a cool.
That's a cool move. That's cool.
Flex. Good job, Trent.
All right, that's all I got. I'll save the last couple in for
maybe the next episode in case there's not enough music news,
because that's a lot. How'd you feel about that new

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segment, Don? Music news.
That's great with Don and Rod. Yeah, that's good.
I looking forward I'm looking more forward to the intro.
Fair enough that I'm gonna have to create and edit.
Yes, of course. Right, correct.
All right, you wanna get the guest in and do this thing?
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I got a lot to say about
the episode. OK.

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Kick off the guest introduced introduction with Roderick
reprimanding me for clicky pens,so we're off to a good start on
this episode. You're clicking.
You were clicking your pin like crazy, and it's already driving
me nuts. And we hadn't even started
recording. You're right.
So all right, our guest this episode is Lee Diskin.
Lee is the founder and is your title creative director.

(18:54):
Yes, of Extra Medium Co. So you're a production company.
You do commercials, you do some music work too.
Why don't you tell the audience exactly what you do?
Well, let's see. After being completely destroyed
in the corporate world, I decided to go out on my own and
start my own business, which wasa great idea.

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I haven't looked back since, butit has been the hardest thing
I've ever done. It's challenging but very
rewarding. I started extra medium company,
Extra medium being my shirt size.
Oh, perfect. And started about seven years
ago. And yeah, we do lots of
documentary work, started in themusic world, music content.
So we still do a lot of live music concerts, documentaries

(19:38):
based around music and musiciansand podcasts about them too.
And we do a lot of commercials and branded content too.
Always busy. But yeah, in LA the the
industry's kind of taken a tank.So considering becoming a
Barber. That's my next move.
Or real estate. I mean, what if you were a

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Barber? What if you were a real estate
agent that cut hair at your openhouses?
That's. A great call.
I mean it could be cool. I'm open to anything really.
I love what I love about barbering is I love a tool, you
know, a good tool, well made tool.
I love conversation and I love like scents.
I got a thing for like colognes,perfumes, you know, like if an

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aftershave is really good smelling, you know, like there's
just something nice about that. So helping people smell good,
talking all day sounds like a dream job.
I got 2 questions. Go to scents, give me give me
top three I'll. Give you my most hated scent
right now is lavender. Anything lavender just and then

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anything from Myers clean day. Like fuck that shit.
That's the worst known stuff I've ever smelled.
Regardless of the scent, there'sjust something chemically about
it. Favorite, you know, like you
know, like Shelby. My wife got me this really great
Cologne. Ode wood is my my brother wears

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that ad nauseam, but it's a goodsmell for sure.
I'm just a little tired of it. But my wife got me a really
great Cologne called Anishio is the brand, and I don't remember
the scent, but it's really good.It's like a fresh, powdery,
masculine, smoky, all the good things.
Smoky and fresh. Yeah, good notes in there.
Yeah, totally. So yeah, I love that.

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And I love a, you know, I love leather, like, you know, the
leather conditioner in the car or something.
That's always a nice, nice scent.
That is nice, Don. I bet you like that scent too.
Stings the knots. What's your go to scent?
Right now I'm leading heavy intothe new Lalabo eucalyptus.
That is pure fire, right? To newer he told me about that.

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Yeah, yeah, I, I think that woodwould smells about hamster
cagey. So I I I get your disdain with
that one for sure. I was, I was wood would to be
honest, but. It's OK.
I got to everybody, but it's toomany, too many dudes.
It's too many dudes. So I got to do 1 now, but it was
every dude. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, somebody just like the Cental from the Labo.

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Too many people found out about it.
It was everywhere. I ended up giving it to my
teenager's son and he loves it. Smells good on him.
I think that's a nice A market where you don't smell it too
much is in high school, so good for him.
How you smelled in high school was really big in my school.
Was that you guys too or no? No, I'm so much older than you.
It was fucking Drakar Noir and cool water.

(22:29):
Cool water. Yeah.
And I grew up in Vegas. There was Caesar's Palace, had a
Cologne called Caesar's Man. And I remember getting that for
Christmas one year. And I, I, I drained that bottle,
man. Yeah, in Chicago it was the
Michael Jordan Cologne at the back.
I had that. I had 20.
In Indiana too dude. I had the Michael Jordan Cologne

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CK one was huge and it was all the CK.
It was like CK1, CKB, anything Calvin Klein.
We we were suburban Midwest kids.
That's all we knew. I was at a party and my buddy
comes running up to me and he's like hey dude and he reaches
into his sock and he pulls out alittle bottle of CK1, sprays it

(23:10):
on as a. Flex.
Puts it back in his sock. And I was like, dude, what's
that? He's like, I found it in the
bathroom. Oh yeah.
And I was like whoa, cool, you know, like and.
And then 2 seconds later you just hear this guy.
Where the fucks my CK1 who stolemy fucking CK1?
And he just looked at me like, but he just sprayed it dude.

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It was like it was in the air. And yeah, never found out who it
was, but that was that's my CK1 story.
That's the closest I've gotten to that scent.
Dude paid some money for that CKone man, he wanted to use every
drop of it. It was a little bottle though.
Come on. Probably a gift set.
What was your other question, Don?
Documentary work we. So my only relationship to to

(23:54):
connect it to you was that at one point in time or another,
you did work on the TV show Moesha No Did that or did that
not ever happen? I'm trying to think it might
have but I don't think. So.
Damn it, Shelby. Your wife.
Would would tell people that, yeah.
Shelby. Just ruined all my moesha.
Dreams. Are you guys being serious for

(24:14):
real? Yeah, at some point in time
there was a conversation that Shelby and I had and it had
something to do with Moisha and I think she said that you worked
for him or like worked on the show Moisha.
So she just blew it by. I mean.
Giving it always so. Phonetically similar Maury
Kovitz show, maybe. I guess, you know, you know
those, those old memes where it's like what, you know what my

(24:36):
mom thinks I do what my spouse thinks I do, what I really do.
I think this totally falls into that.
I think if you were to ask her what I do, you wouldn't know.
Still, we've been married to almost 18 years.
That's how you ended up being a producer.
No, I did not work on Moisha I mean.
It was my connection to Brandy. Do you have a favorite like
music related project that you worked on?

(24:58):
I know that's a hard question because you've worked on a lot
of stuff. I know you you had the Guitar
Center stuff and you've done a lot of live concert things, but
is there anything that stands out as like, man, that was like
top tier amazing experience? Yeah, totally.
I mean, there's a lot, but I think being a part of the start
of Guitar Center sessions and seeing it through over 100
episodes was like pretty monumental and one of my

(25:21):
favorite things I've done in my life still, I think work wise.
And I mean over 100 episodes. And then after Guitar Center
sessions, it became another showwhere we did another 80
episodes. So pretty much every artist you
can think of. And, you know, there's always
ones that you're excited for. So like Alkaline Trio, remember
when they came on? Gosh, everybody.

(25:42):
But I remember one that really surprised me was corn.
We're like, oh, we got to fucking do corn.
Like, all right, you know, And they came on, they had such a
story, like how they came up, you know, so much adversity they
had to up against them. And then when they performed
these songs, it was just like, how does they came up with that
sound, you know? And then it's just such a heavy

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emotive sound. And when they performed those
songs rubbed up against to the stories they told.
It was just like, that was one of my favorite episodes.
You know, Billy Idol is another one that is memorable where he
came out and was performing really poorly, like just mailing
it in or kind of like, what's going on?
Everybody made me go talk to themanager and be like, hey, what's

(26:26):
going on with Billy? He seems a little low energy,
you know, And I'm just this young dude, like, hey, buddy,
you know. And yeah, the managers just
like, yeah, that's just how he is right now.
Sorry. I'm like, we can't really do
this right now because this is ATV show.
We got to have the energy, you know, this and that.
Come to find out, he didn't havethe right shoes he wanted, and
that's why he was in such a bummer mood.

(26:48):
Yeah. So we went and got, we went and
got him his shoes like within 15minutes, slapped those babies
on. And he gave such a sick
performance. Like you could see it on
YouTube. He just nailed it.
I mean, he's been doing this forso long.
He's so pro and just, like, delivered.
And it was pretty epic. And yeah, but then when it came
time. After footage like.

(27:09):
No, no, no after. The shoes.
Oh, OK, definitely. That's where he put the shoes
on. Between tracks three and four,
he put the shoes. On No, no, we got the shoes on
and then started over. Yeah, there's no way we could go
with those songs. But yeah, I mean, I think that
that that show is probably the highlight of my musical content
career for sure. And, you know, done a lot of

(27:29):
stuff with Taylor Swift over theyears.
It's been really great. Like super talented.
And the people she's surrounded with are great musicians and
stuff, too. Yeah.
So you know Justin Vernon and. Just dropping the biggest names
in music, you know? Well, it's all from, I mean,
it's crazy. It's all from that show.
You know, you'll work with like a smaller artist who's, you
know, they got a new single out the labels like, hey, you know,

(27:51):
these guys are coming up. They're great and, you know, we
give him a shot and then, you know, somebody like Weezer comes
on and says, hey, we saw that episode with this band and we
want to do that show. Kind of a cool thing about our
show was that it was our partnerwas DIRECTV, which was the
satellite service that all the tour buses got.
So that's pretty much the only thing they could watch.
So you got all these artists watching all these other artists

(28:14):
do this show. That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I. Think it was the band.
Cake told us that. They're like, hey, you know,
like on the tour bus, this is all we watch and we're like, oh
shit, like didn't even think about that.
Incredible. I'm I'm envious of the people
I'm imagining that you've met over the years.
John, I won't be able to remember him.
It's hard. Well, did you let me?

(28:34):
Now I need to know this because now I'm worried that Shelby just
made shit up to fuck with us. Which actually tracks,
completely tracks. But were you, I remember that
year that the Foo Fighters did like a Super Bowl adjacent thing
that was like unofficial to the Super Bowl.
You were actually involved in that.
Yeah, produced super Saturday night with Run the Jewels and

(28:55):
Foo Fight. OK, I remember telling me that
because she knew I was a big FooFighters fan and a Run the
Jewels fan. And so that was a bit of a, you
know, Lee's producing this and that kind of blew my mind.
Yeah, that was the first time I was interested in what you did,
to be honest, because I I didn'tknow before.
And she said that and I was like, wait, what the fuck does
he do? What does he do?
Yeah, it was wild. We didn't, I didn't do this

(29:16):
myself, but the the team we hired physically, they built a
arena for that show, like from aparking lot.
I remember they built A2 level giant concert arena for it.
It was pretty amazing. I remember watching either was a
YouTube video or might have beenon like a social media platform.
It was like a time lapse of thembuilding that thing just in the

(29:39):
middle of a Yeah. It was like a giant.
It was like a field in the giantconcrete parking lot.
Yeah. And all of a sudden there's a
music venue there. That's insane.
Yeah. I I remember I produced those
two. Those were like the promo pieces
we did for it, like with the moving time lapses.
Yeah, yeah, that was cool. It was.
Crazy. All right, Lee, so what's the
theme? What's the theme of this
episode? What are we talking about today?

(30:00):
I got. I got big opinions on this one,
but let's hear that's really. Well, the theme what we landed
on is songs you love from bands you hate, and I think it's a
really interesting theme. You know, when you first
approached me about being on this podcast, I just saw mix
tape and you know, I had a lot of stories that were kind of
like recent and current swirlingaround unintentional meanings

(30:24):
of, of playlists and mixtapes. And I was kind of like, oh, this
would be great to get into. But I think that might be for
another episode because or maybeeven two or three-part series
because I think there's a lot of.
Yeah, that seemed like a bigger,that seemed bigger than one
episode. I was trying to figure out how
we would do that in just one. I couldn't get my head around

(30:44):
it. So this was this was choice B.
So choice B is songs you love from bands or slash artists you
hate. So here's my big opinions.
Here's my big opinions on this. In order to say you hate an
artist or a band, you can't likea single song, right?
If you like a song, any, any onesong, then you just really think

(31:05):
they suck. But you can't say hate.
Like I fucking hate ACDC. I hate that fucking band.
There's not a single redeeming song.
Like if it was like you could listen to Nothing for the whole
day or listen to one ACDC song, I'm picking Nothing 10 times out
of 10. Yeah, you're gonna raw dog, so.
Yeah, I'm gonna raw like, you know, I'm gonna yeah, for sure.

(31:26):
So I I'm gonna say I I understand where you're coming
from, songs you love from band you hate, but like a CDCI don't
want to listen to a single fucking song.
So for you, Don, you're you're saying songs you love from bands
you don't. This is song maybe not hate, you
don't. Like the band, I don't.
I don't want to listen to this band, but this is the song and
it's like, all right, I'll listen to that one.

(31:47):
All right, that one's fine. I'll go with that one a little
bit. Because we have, we all have
those, like some people call them guilty pleasures or
whatever, but it's like, it's that like, God, I love this
song, but I can't listen to anything else that this band
does. Totally, but like to say you
hate a band. Ryan Runge's going to say I hate
Aerosmith because there's not a single fucking Aerosmith song he
likes. Plus he hates Steven Tyler and

(32:08):
Joe Perry as well. Well that's that.
That might be fair, but not liking Dream On is just a wild
choice to me. What a fuck.
I don't know, people would arguethat I can't, that I have to
like a few ACDC songs, but they're fucking terrible.
The whole. That's my that's my thing with
this theme is that it's so personal, which is good.
Those make the best mix safe. You're absolutely right, because
there's debate, but I there's anartist I have on here that

(32:30):
people love and I really don't. And they're on my mixer.
So I think that's what's going to be interesting about this.
It's like it's very personal, which is what makes great
mixtapes. It's it's it's very personal.
It's very, it's very much your opinion.
So that's why I was stoked aboutthis and we've had that
conversation done. So yeah.
So maybe it's not hate, but it'slike you, you dislike this band,

(32:51):
you do not like this band, but there's the song.
That I do get it songs still love my band.
You hate really rolls off the tongue, so it.
Does roll off the. Tongue, yeah, it's more of a
title, but yeah, if I had to like, break it down a little
bit, it's more, hey, that that song's not bad from that band
that I would never listen to, but that doesn't make a good
title. Yeah, good call.
All right, well, I'm going to blaze through these mixtape

(33:14):
guidelines, Don, so we can get started here because I'm
actually excited to start talking music for.
The 41st time, Lee. You play the sound, you want to
play the sound, Don that you're feeling right now, and then I'll
start. We're high tech here, Lee.
All right, The mixtape's got to have an A killer opening track

(33:35):
that grabs the listeners attention.
Each song should flow smoothly into the next.
The mixtape should have a good balance of different genres,
tempos and moods because varietykeeps things interesting.
The mixtape should tell a story or convey a specific emotion.
It should take the listener on journey.
It can't be too obvious but can't be too obscure either,
unless that's the theme. You can't double up on songs by

(33:57):
the same artist and the closing track should leave a lasting
impression and make the listenercrave more.
And then lastly, before we get going here, we let the guests
choose if they want to go first,second or third in the order.
I'll go first. Yeah, it's a good choice.
So I. Spent the last 55 seconds
watching a little video of Sabrina Carpenter performing
nonsense live on Jimmy Kimmel from 2023.

(34:19):
That's what I did. Yeah, I know you hate the rules,
but at what point are we going to just stop reading them, huh?
I don't. Know, yeah.
All right, so it's going to be Lee, then me, then Don.
So I ordered these this way but not going first but I'll just
stick with my order. The first band and song would be
Spoon. Anything you want.

(35:03):
Wow, I love that you're going spoon first because I've picked
spoon on this mixtape before, like spoon, so going to write
for the jugular with me there. You're not alone.
That's kind of why I chose it because, you know, I've been,
I've been involved in music for a long time.
I love having eclectic case. I've always considered myself,
you know, one who finds good music.

(35:24):
And usually inevitably when you get together with somebody else
who loves music, it's like, hey,Spoon, you know, it's like, I
don't like Spoon. I fucking don't like Spoon.
It's fair. Yeah, and there's there's some
other bands, I won't say them, but they fall into the same
category, which you may choose so we can come up back to them
later. But Spoon for me is like,

(35:46):
there's just something about thehis voice, the tone, the key
that's every single song is in. And it's just like, it's almost
like he's trying too hard to be indie cool.
And it just I just never relatedto it until I was having a
conversation with a very good friend.
This is probably about a year ago.
And she's like, I don't trust anybody who doesn't like Spoon.

(36:08):
And I was like, well, I've got something to tell you.
I don't like Spoon. That's a big.
Statement. That's a big statement.
Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I don't
like Spoon, but I was on the airplane.
So what I thought I'd do was go through Spoon and see, maybe
there's a song I like and anything you want came on.
And I was like, this is a good fucking song.
Like everything about it is great.

(36:30):
Lyrics, the the beat, everythingis so good.
And I forgot about that song because, you know, there's the
more popular songs that are on the radio on every single
compilation. Or if you stream Spotify, does
that come up? And this one doesn't get too
much play. And yeah, so that's that's my
first song that I like from an artist that I don't necessarily

(36:51):
like. It's not just you though.
And it's weird because Spoon, they felt really big for a while
in that like mid 2000s era. Like I I said on the episode I
picked them on. But like the OC era was like the
Rooneys and Spoons and like these indie bands that were like
Planets and Phantom Planets. And there was like a moment of

(37:12):
that where they got really big. But I do know a lot of people
who are not big Spoon fans. Like it's not just you.
And I'll be honest, I'm not, I wouldn't call myself a Spoon
fan. I don't know a lot of their
stuff. They had two records that I
listened to in college, So give me Fiction and Gaga.
Gaga Gaga are the 2 records I listen to in in college.
They hit me at the right time and I do like those two records.
I don't really know anything else from Spoon to be honest

(37:35):
with you. And even those records, you're
not wrongly. They they get a little 1
dimensional at times, like everything's in the same key.
He has a very similar singing style in most songs.
So I get it. I get it.
You know, I, I, it's a wild statement saying you don't trust
anybody who doesn't like a certain band, though I might, I
might steal that and just start throwing bands out at people

(37:56):
Like, you know, I don't trust anybody that doesn't listen to
The Beatles. Yeah, I don't trust anybody who
doesn't like Smash Mouth so. Oh man, that's fair.
We go. Have I told my fucking Smash
Mouth New Year's Eve story? Please do.
Have we ever talked about this? Have I ever brought this up on
the podcast? I don't think so.
Dude, so I, I impromptu went to a casino on New Year's Eve in

(38:17):
Northwest Indiana. Like just, it didn't have
anything to do, no parties to goto.
And it's like, let's go lose some fucking money.
So we go to the casino in Northwest Indiana.
It's a Hard Rock. And as we're pulling in, it's
like live tonight, Smash Mouth. And I'm like, holy shit, what
are the chances that I like stumbled into a Smash Mouth
concert? And so it's like 11:30 and I'm

(38:38):
like, dude, 30 minutes for SmashMouth.
This is going to be fucking awesome.
So like 1135, like 1155, walk over the stage and like, you
know they're going to bring themout. 12:00 Past this, no Smash
Mouth. 12:15 No Smash Mouth. 12:30 No Smash Mouth.
I'm like, what the fuck, man? These guys are not big enough to
delay the the New Year's Eve whatever.
Finally, like the band comes outand like they like start playing

(39:01):
the intro to Walking on the Sun and then some fucking guy walks
out in glasses and you immediately see like 150 cell
phones come out of people's pockets at the same time to find
out who the fuck this guy was. And it turns out, like in
October, they had kicked the singer out for like, his racist
tirade in a winery that somehow.I remember that happening, yeah.

(39:23):
And they had replaced him with anew singer and just neglected to
tell anybody. So I'm like, this isn't fucking
Smash Mouth. What is this bullshit?
And so, yeah, it was a differentguy singing for Smash Mouth.
And that was it was a kick off of my new year.
Damn. That's insane.
No joke. This is written.
This is the first thing written on my pad.

(39:44):
My first pick is Smash Mouth walking on the sun.

(40:12):
That's 100% real and I I will prove it just in case.
See that top song there? I trust you.
Smash Mouth. You know, I don't know man.
It's there's an age thing here too.
Like, this came out when I was in 8th grade and I was like, I
was into some ska. I was into some of this stuff.
They had that weird, like, I'm 41, so this came out 97.

(40:36):
So I was in eighth. Yeah.
I was in 8th grade when this came out.
And like, they had that. It was like that late 90s retro.
Like everybody was wearing, likecertain bands were all wearing
bowling shirts and making everything sound fuzzy and
retro. And I was way into it.
And I was a bowling shirt kid, 100% bowling shirt kid.

(40:58):
And I bought this record and I liked it OK.
You know, Like, I mean, I even went back and listened to this
record for this episode. Like, is it really just walking
on the Sun that I liked? And every other song that I was
like, this is OK, but it just sounds like some, it sounds like
somebody's pastiche version of aska song or of a retro, you

(41:20):
know, late 90s, you know what I mean?
Like it all sounded like somebody.
In a Bowling Shirt is going to be way into this album 1. 100%
and so, but I do like walking onthe sun like this song is good
like that organ sound is cool. Like the lyrics are decent.
Like I when this song comes on, I'm not changing the song, I'm
listening to the song. Karaoke.
And then everybody, everybody knows what happened after this.

(41:41):
Like, it was the Shrek thing, itwas the Mystery Men thing.
It was All Star. It was in college.
We thought it was funny to put 20 bucks on the jukebox and just
play All Star back-to-back to back and leave the bar, you
know, that kind of stuff. So doesn't help that later in
their career, their singer, to your point, Don said a lot of
really stupid shit. Yeah.

(42:04):
Wasted at a winery and just wanted some crazy tirade.
Whoops. That wasn't great.
Whoops. I mean, who hasn't done that
though? But I don't know if you were
kicked out of your band, I mean.If you're smash mom, baby.
To be fair, I didn't do it on a stage at a winery, I was just
some random dude at a winery going on a tirade.

(42:24):
But no, I don't know if you wereserious about liking Smash Mouth
Lee so. No, we might.
Totally sarcastic. Okay, I figured, but I just
wanted to double check. Is that a steal for anybody
else? Like I bet somebody got?
Smash No no. Steal No.
Okay, fair enough. Considered, but definitely like
as the the second-half of this theme is, you'd have to like it.

(42:45):
So I didn't like it. I didn't.
That's fair. That's totally fair.
I, I do like this song. I think All Star is one of the
most, you know, nails on a chalkboard, things that I could
that you can hear now. If that song comes on somewhere,
it just makes me physically uncomfortable.
I'm sure part of that is just this sheer amount of times all
of us have heard that song in a movie or a commercial or

(43:07):
something, but it's also just such a cheesy fucking lame the.
Radio hit, you know? Yeah.
God, I mean, walking on the Sun's kind of like, for me, it's
like Shawshank Redemption, you know, like I won't put it on,
but if it's on AMC, which it always is, I'm watching it.
Yeah. Even though there's a commercial

(43:28):
every 5 minutes, you'll watch it.
I feel you on that one. I bought this.
I bought that album. So the their second album with
All Star, I bought it when it came out.
That was a freshman in high school with real money.
It was still that era where you bought the album and I remember
listening to it and giving it tomy sister.
In fact, I'm pretty sure we did a trade.
I gave her, I gave her Smash Mouth and she gave me Spice

(43:51):
Girls Spice World. And I was like.
You. You for.
Trade this I I won, I won this trade so.
Is it my turn? Yep.
All right. I I don't even know where to go
first here, but I'm going to go with Jordan Catalano himself,
the lead singer otherwise known as Jared Leto. 30 Seconds To
Mars the kill. Yeah.

(44:40):
It's a great fucking song by a terrible fucking band, God damn
it. And like, not only that, but
just like the worst, like just such a boner of a guy.
First of all, he's 53 years old.How do you look that good at 53?
Like Jared Leto just selling hissoul to the devil.
And like, I love like all the lore that surrounds him like
that. He just like was living like

(45:02):
with no technology in the woods and like when he came back to
civilization had no idea that the pandemic happened and shit
like that. Like, I had never heard that
lore. I love that there's really
around him, of course. There's a ton of Jared Leto
lore, but like, talk about a fanbase that rides hard for a band.
Like it's true. Holy shit man 30 Seconds To Mars
fans. They ride hard for that band and

(45:23):
that song. The I.
Literally wrote. Song.
Hard for 30 Seconds To Mars, which I'll explain later.
Oh yeah. Yeah, No, I can't.
To be continued. Did this come out?
Because I know this song and you're right, it is pretty good.
It's a great song. When did this come out?
2005. OK, Yeah.
So I was listening to Spoon. My bad.
Yeah. Yeah, but like I you first.

(45:45):
I don't know, I like I'm probably giving my age away a
bit, but like my first introduction to fucking Jared
Leto was Jordan Cantilano from my so-called Life, One of the
greatest one season shows. That and Freaks and Geeks, like
the ultimate coming of age show.And he was like, you know, the
bet, the fucking dyslexic bad kid in school falling in love

(46:05):
with like this sheltered girl who never really got out and
about. And like he fucking sang on the
show, which was so cheesy, but man, just a heartthrob from day
one and just killing it. And now, you know, 30 Seconds To
Mars, I think. I don't know that they're still
putting out music, but I think they are.
This song, like I do remember this song, it is a good song.
This song feels very like heavy late emo, like Jimmy World mixed

(46:31):
with maybe a little bit of arenarock in there kind of a thing.
But then later they got didn't they get a little more into like
the Hoobastank, Breaking Benjamin Papa Roach vibes?
Not really. Man, they were always kind of
like they were always epic. The the kill, the yeah, they
were always really epic in like a ton of fucking crowd
participation. Like they have entire albums

(46:51):
that have like full crowd chance.
I'm a sucker for that though, tobe honest.
Like a song could be bad but have great like, crowd
participation. Shit, I'm a little bit of a
sucker for that. Yeah, this is right up your
alley. Then delve deep into 30 Seconds
To Mars. You're going to love the shit
out of it. This is a big blind spot for me.
I know this song, but as soon asI played it, I was like, Oh

(47:13):
yeah, it was huge. Yeah.
But I I honestly don't really know 30 Seconds To Mars at all
other than knowing that Jared Leto.
Just a honk. Is, isn't it?
Yeah. Wait, do we have to wait for
your 30 Seconds To Mars stuff? Lee, are you going to you going
to drop it now? Oh, is it?
Coming up later and you? Said riding hard for 30 Seconds
To Mars and my first exposure toJared Leto first was Requiem for

(47:37):
a dream that was like, you know,by the fall Tim, you know was in
that. But, you know, that for me was
kind of the first movie. I was like, oh, shit, like
movies can be different, you know, and I really love that
movie. But yeah, so I, when we moved
back to California, I got heavily into like the nighttime
cycling scene, which was called Midnight Riders.

(47:59):
And we had this forum that we'd all post up on rides and just
mostly just making fun of peopleand planning rides for the
evening where we just, I don't know if you guys have these
where you live, but you know, groups of 2300 cyclists would
get together and just like ride through the streets at night.
Yeah, shout out in Richmond. In Richmond, shout out Broad

(48:19):
Street Bullies. Yeah, Broad St.
Bullies. But yeah, so we were midnight
riders. And when somebody posted on
there like, hey, this band shooting a music video and they
need people to ride bikes. Like, come with your bike, dress
crazy, be here at, you know, it was 11 or midnight or something.
And it turned out to be for 30 Seconds To Mars, like kings and

(48:41):
kings and Queens, I think is thename of the song.
So if you pull that up on YouTube, you'll see, you know,
hundreds of people in costumes and their crazy custom bikes.
They made tall bikes and stuff riding around.
And of course, there's like a little love story intertwined in
there, which I was not part of. But, you know, I'm definitely
cruising around in the background with my friends in

(49:01):
that video and. So when you said you turned into
a huge fan now as a result of being in the video?
I did not, No, I'm sorry. No, he just rode hard because he
was physically riding in the bike.
Well, slow to catch up. My bad.
So explain the jokes to you. My bad.
It's all good. I I'll forgive you.
Yeah, that's crazy. 8 million monthly listeners on Spotify.

(49:24):
Jesus Christ. 30 Seconds To Marsso they, you know, their fans
go, hey, look who made an appearance.
Hey, see if they can hear you guess the talks.
A little bit. No, they said you.
Barely. You told them I worked on the
show called Moisha. They they both said you did.

(49:45):
What did I work on that you saidthen?
No, I'm dead serious. I think she was.
I think she was fucking with Don.
You might have had a couple Bud Lights.
Was it at a? Was it at an event?
A company event. Safe to assume for sure.
Maybe think about it, come back to us, maybe.
Yeah. Yeah.
She doesn't know what that is. I.
Really hope that happened Don, and that she was just.

(50:07):
Fucking with you. How would I?
It's so random. How would I make that up?
I don't know, maybe it was a dream.
I shall be. Could have been a fever dream
for sure. What's your second pick, Lee?
Where you. Oh man, so I've got, I've got
more than three guys like this is really hard to narrow down,
but. It's great.
You see, I know the horrible mentions.
Yeah. Yeah, so, but it's always the
frustrating part. What triggered this one?

(50:29):
I'm going to bump this up from the list.
It was down below, but you you talked about pumping money into
the the jukebox and stuff like that.
And, you know, playing it and, you know, it kind of started off
as a joke like that. And then just like I can tell by
meme culture and others that it's just, it's very, I'm not
alone in this one and it's higher by Creed.

(51:25):
Yeah, not surprised. I was on the list.
Yeah. I was like, I feel like there
might be a creed. Yeah.
I have to, I have to. It's like I said, it's kind of
that low hanging fruit. But like, I mean, these dudes
Christian band come out and release that song and the
popularity it got like, you know, they they broke down
barriers or they I'd say they snuck through barriers to get

(51:48):
that song popular and just, you know, you play that song,
somebody's having a good time. You're not wrong.
They recently had like that big insurgence with the six feet
from the edge song I think. Oh yeah, it's called 6 Feet from
the Edge, but that one's re blowing up.
Behold me now I'm 6 feet from the edge and I'm thinking.
Yeah. Is that one last breath?

(52:08):
Is that? What's that one last?
Breath. That's it.
You're right. Yeah.
Yeah, they, dude, they're, they're blowing up again because
there's this like Y2K insurgentshappening right now with Gen.
Z and they don't really separatesome of the like clicky
distinctions that happened that were actually going on at that
time. It's all one big thing to them.
So like, you know, when I was, Iwas a freshman in high school
and this came out and like, if you listen, like I was listening

(52:30):
to punk rock. And so I I was like those dudes
listening to Credo, I was like, that's bullshit.
Like, that's not, you know what I mean?
There's like this click stuff happening.
But like Ginz doesn't distinguish those different
groups. It was all just that era, which
makes sense. And there's like, Creed and
Nickelback are having a moment. Yeah, right now I.
Mean shit, Nickelback had that fucking documentary.
Yeah, true story. Like I was, you know, I've got a

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15 year old son and he's always just got his air pods in and one
day I was like, what are you listening to, man?
He's like Creed. I was like, what?
He's like Creed. I was like, you're fucking,
you're listening to Creed like and he's like, and he goes, I
shit you not, this is his response.
Yeah, Creed's fire. It reads fire.
Like, after my soul died a little bit, I came back to the

(53:14):
table and was like, son, are you, like, serious?
Are you kind of jokey? And he's, like, kind of jokey.
But it's a good song. And yeah, so he's totally
succumbed to that revival, just completely without any influence
from me, which is kind of crazy.Is there like a neither Roderick
or I have kids? Like when that happens and the

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sun does proclaim that creed is fires, they're like a sit down
conversational like, hey, let's reevaluate some of what's
happening right now and let's let me give you some halfway
decent shit to listen to. Or is it just like, let's just
embrace what's going on right now and just accept it?
Well, for me, I think it's a little different because he had
already established great tastesmusically, because normally what

(53:57):
he'd listen to Alkaline Trio is his favorite band and he dabbles
with Blink 182. Green Day Strung out is another
one of his most listened to. So I know he's got he knows what
what's good. He even said to me the other day
he's like, oh, you know that song Dustland fairy tale by the
Killers? That's a great song.
And I was like, yeah, that is a fucking good song, man.

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So I I trust his taste almost exclusively, you know, like he
knows what he's doing. And so for that to come out of
him and I was kind of mostly hopefully more ironic than true,
but we did buy the album, like for real, spent money on it and
gifted it to somebody for their birthday.
IA lot of people like I know andI or people I follow on social

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media who are younger are like legitimately into this.
So it's like it's not just him. It's how it's like had a like a
revival with 0 connection to what it was at the time and not
to put down what it was at the time, like because it was huge.
I mean, this, this, these albumssold like insane amounts of
copies and stuff like these guyswere huge.
I just, you know, I don't know, even at the time there was a

(55:05):
sense to me at least that it waslike this pretty cheesy, but it
is what it is. I I don't think their album
covers aged well. I always bring up album covers
on this show and like. What you mean the?
Well, so dude, well the what's so higher?
It was on human clay and that's got that like really bad DD
graphic of the dude coming up out of like the Crossroads did

(55:29):
not age super high and then theyone upped it.
Yeah. Then they one upped it with like
the really bad Photoshop job of them on like the tree that's
getting chiseled for some reason.
Why is this guy chiseling a treelike they?
Are they are fucking bad album covers?
It's not good. It's not.
And then there was my own prisonas well.

(55:50):
It was. That's the best 1 though.
At least it's just a photograph that.
One looks like it'd be a really good alt rock album, but not the
case. If you told me that was the
first Alice In Chains album cover, I'd be like, yeah, that.
Makes total sense, yeah. Dude, I'm loving the I'm looking
at the albums right now. I didn't weathered is the one
you're talking about where they're chiseled out of the

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tree. Who's doing the chiseling is my
root is my question though. Who is that?
Is that their manager, the Lord?The.
Lord. No, it's got he has tattoos.
Oh no, the Lord doesn't have tattoos.
Well, there's also a dude in thebackground chopping down another
tree. Who is that tree too, do we

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think? Don't know.
Maybe that's their old band. Lee That's just unlocked in
memory for me, though. I was in geometry class my
freshman year of high school andI remember this dude Cliff was
listening to his Discman before class started and he was like,
dude, you got to check out this band, You got to listen to the
song. And he gave me the headphones
and it was Creed. And it was not even, it wasn't

(56:55):
even higher. It was, it must have been one
because I, I'm pretty sure it was my own prison was the record
he was listening to, which was the earlier 1.
So, I mean, Cliff, if you're listening, good, good on being
on Creed from the beginning, dude.
But. Cliff's been down from day one.
I that was, I remember the firsttime I ever heard this band
because it was in class. It was right before geometry

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class on somebody's Discman. Thanks, Cliff.
I think I remember being like, how do I tell this dude this
isn't good when he just gave me his headphones?
But it's a good pick, though, Lee.
I get it. Yeah, thank you.
I get it. Cliff's going.
To Monster Energy sticker on hiscar right now.
Cliff, shout out Cliff. Fodderick over to you, buddy.
So this is where I struggled with this list because a lot of

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these bands, I'm like bands thatpeople don't like are, if
they're big enough to be on these lists, though, they're big
bands, which means they're polarizing.
You love them or you or you hatethem, so to speak, right?
Right. And this one's pretty relevant
for recent times, but I've just never liked this artist.
I just haven't. I'm just not a Drake fan at all.
So it's Drake, but I I do like Hotline bling you.

(58:01):
Used to call me on my cell phoneplay night when you need my
love. Call me on my cell phone play
night when you need my love and I know when.

(58:23):
I fucking love that song. It's a great, it's so good.
It doesn't take itself too seriously.
Or maybe it does. Maybe he does take it seriously.
I don't take it seriously. It's just got a great fucking
beat. And some great artists covered
it too, which maybe made it better in my eyes.
Like there's a good Billy Eilishcover of it and stuff.
So I, I don't know. It was just, I remember when
this came out, I begrudgingly had to admit like, yeah, I like

(58:46):
this song because I'm just not aDrake fan and I'm sure there's
people listening right now who are and I, that's fine.
I get it. Like, I guess I get it.
He's huge, like massive. But I'm not a Drake fan, but I'm
a Hotline Bling fan so I. Had him on my list also.
It's not the Drake song I would have picked.
Did you? Yeah, I had that song on my list

(59:08):
as well. Oh, straight up.
Same song. Yeah.
Wow. All right, That makes me feel a
lot better, Lee. And and obviously like, I was
never a Drake fan, but that songwas good.
And, but mainly I loved the video for it and the the kind of
the nod to James Terrell, an artist I love.
He's like a light artist. He does like some sick stuff

(59:29):
with light and sound. So that was kind of like my main
thing. I was like, you know, and and
it's such a popular meme from that video where it's just like
Mac and cheese for dinner. And he's like, no.
And then it's like burgers and he's like, yeah.
So it's like, yeah, for that purpose.
I felt like that would be a great, you know, that one kind
of snuck out of the like, I don't know.

(59:50):
I just there's to me, most Drakemusic doesn't have anything
catchy about it. I don't I don't particularly
like any of the production of the music or anything like that.
Nothing to stand out is so I never really gave it a listen.
But that song, definitely, if itcame on AMC, I wouldn't change
it. I'm.
Surprised with this shitty Drakeis that both of you guys would

(01:00:13):
go Hotline Bling over one dance.Yeah, one dance is OK, but.
I'm not a huge man. One Dance is a fucking 3.5
billion streams. It's one of the top 10 most
stream songs of all time. It's on the it's on the same
album though, and that whole album had that kind of like
reggaeton beat thing. Like that's one of the reasons I
don't like Drake. He feel like he co-ops a lot of

(01:00:33):
shit and tries to act like he was ahead of the game on him.
I mean I don't know. I don't want this episode become
a shit talking thing too much but like that's what's bothered
me about Drake. But for some reason on Hot like
Hotline Bling I was OK with it and on one it just felt like OK
you're just taking reggaeton stuff which is already a thing
and you're just making it your own.
Like I don't know why it didn't bother me on Hotline Bling but.

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Because it wasn't in I also. Like, I've kind of like, he's a
terrible dancer too, but it works in this video because it's
corny. He's got the like, you know, the
little phone thing. And I'm like, again, like if you
told me that it's all tongue in cheek, I believe it.
I don't think it is. I think he's taking himself

(01:01:19):
seriously. But in my mind it works because
it's a little corny. And that's.
So I'm OK with corny sometimes, right?
And I think it works here. And I'm not saying the whole
video's corny. Like the video's beautiful.
His dancing's a little corny andlike, you know, the whole, like,
women working at the call centerthing at the beginning is very
fucking Drake him. Like, I could do without that

(01:01:39):
part of it. But yeah, the light box stuff,
the like solo dancing stuff, it's cool.
It's memorable. And I remember liking it at the
time and I still like this song.It's stuck in all of your heads
right now. Choice A good choice.
Yeah, for sure. Over to me.
All right. Yep, your second pick done all.
Right fucking I fucking can't stand you 2 can't get.

(01:02:00):
Into one. They still pissed they put an
album on my phone. Sunday, buddy, Sunday's a great
fucking song. Yeah, U2 is just a kind of a

(01:02:34):
shitty band, but Sunday Bloody Sunday is fucking awesome, so
that's why I can't say I hate them.
Do you remember Zach from Riffage?
Don Riffage episode? Huge U2 fan.
Really massive U2 fan. Yeah.
I hope you're listening, Zach, because him and I, him and I
lived together a while in college and we would get into it
about U2 because I also dislike U2 very much and.

(01:02:56):
What's crazy is like they've kind of defied gradual decline.
Like somehow like their music has gotten progressively
shittier. Like they came out of the gate
pretty hot. Never a fan, but like, Joshua
Tree has a crop of bangers on it.
None that I want to listen to. And then they've slowly but
surely declined forever. And like, when is the bottom

(01:03:18):
gonna fall out? Where like people are gonna stop
and they'll be like, oh shit, wait, you 2 does suck.
Oh wait, this is terrible. I don't know when that's gonna.
Yeah, when they did the sphere in Vegas, I was like, are you
serious? Like was it empty?
I saw. Dude, they're massive.
Dude, I don't, I don't understand.
I don't get it. 20 million monthly plays just on Spotify,
and we know they're an Apple Music band, so who knows that

(01:03:40):
they've got an Apple, yeah. Oh shit.
It might be a boomer thing. We might just be like right
under that cusp. It's like what our parents
listen to, you know? Like if you put U2 on, my mom
would probably lose her mind, you know, like.
Oh, great song, great song. I will say I'm a little softer
on them than You Don and that like there's a handful of songs
by them I like, but I don't likethem as a band.
Like there's probably, I don't know, I'm looking at their top

(01:04:02):
ten right now. I do like with or without you.
Beautiful Day is OK. Really.
I don't know. There's maybe 5 songs.
No disagreeable day. Yeah, that's fair.
I could see that. I kind of like it.
You know what, Rod, it sounds like you like.
A bad sitcom. Yeah, it sounds like you just
like the Shrek soundtrack. I don't I don't even like that
movie. I don't understand why that

(01:04:22):
movie's so big. Like I watched it like last year
and I'm like, man, this does notstand the test of time at all.
This is kind of boring. I actually didn't know that was
on the strikes on track. I'm only assuming, I don't know
for sure, but I think I think itwould just.
Kind of sound like it would be on there.
It does sound like that. That's fair.
Yeah. But again, like I said, like

(01:04:44):
Joshua Tree is 1987, is that right?
And this is not Joshua Tree. This is not an album called War,
which is before this, but JoshuaTree is 1987.
And it was like, if your second or third release is your peak,
but you're going to put out likeanother 30 albums, when is
everybody else going to catch on?
How has nobody else figured thisout yet?

(01:05:05):
I don't know, man, but you're not wrong.
But I mean, Joshua Tree did withor without you and it had I
still haven't found what I'm looking for, which that's fine.
Very, very 80s, you know, massive 80s hits.
But you're right though, that was their second album.
Second, third, early it was. 80s.
I put on a new album in 2024. Come on man, maybe Hang It Out

(01:05:26):
Did. They really put it on the 24.
Yes. They sure did.
But at least they're not like Aerosmith, like still, or are
they? That's true.
You know, like, at least they seem to be kind of like, just
embracing where they're at now in life and, you know, just
doing what they love. Yeah, can't hate them for that.
I also don't know anybody that sucks more than Bono.
Like I want, I like Bono and fucking Jared Leno need to just

(01:05:49):
go like talk each other to death.
I feel like they would both do that perfectly.
You think they don't know each other?
They know each other. I guarantee you, Jared Leto and
you and Bono know each other. They need more minutes on their
cell phones for as long as they probably talk to each other
about nothing. All right, that's my, that's my
next pick. All right, Lee pick #3.

(01:06:10):
Well, I mean, since Segways are kind of the theme here on this
episode, my list is changing so much from where we started
though, which is crazy. I'm kind of just riding this
wave here, but I'm going to haveto just go with the Angels and
Airwaves. You know The Edge inspired a
generation of guitar players andAngels and Airwaves post Blink

(01:06:33):
Wedding 2 pretty much just ripped off that sound for every
fucking song but the adventure. And here we go, life's way to
begin adding cycle and will be shown like every soon

(01:07:04):
train reach for the sky. Is one of those epic like gives
you the chills builds up. It's just like we would put that
on we're about to go skating or something like that.
And it's just it's just an awesome song from an otherwise
default band or just default move.
So yeah, I'm going to say Angelsand.
Airwaves. Yeah, there was a weird time.

(01:07:25):
They 100% ripped off edge guitarthing.
It's just the edges guitar, the like echo thing and like all the
choruses. Yeah, that's that's wild.
And I have a insider story I don't know if I should share,
but one time we were working with.
Beansley, we only got 70 people that listen, you're fine.
OK, cool. So we were working with the the
band, the drummer, actually AdamWillard, who's an amazing

(01:07:49):
drummer who rocket from the crypt was his previous band.
So we were there at Macbeth headquarters where they made
their shoes, shrunk all the pants to fit just right.
And there was, we were shooting a little bit of drum stuff
before they were about to rehearse.
And Tom was there sitting on a couch watching YouTube live

(01:08:09):
performances, like glued to the TV, just watching it.
And right then I was like, ah, major inspiration here.
That makes sense, but. Yeah, You know, there's just Tom
gets a bad rap because of the singing style, you know, that
one week after listening to Blink 182, one month after
listening to Blink 182, you know, but Blink 182 is one of my

(01:08:31):
favorite bands. Definitely, like, sculpted my
musical tastes in high school into college.
But yeah, just Angels and Airwaves didn't quite do it for
me. But that song I feel like was
just like they put it all into that song.
I feel like there's nothing left.
So in the divide, did you lean plus 44 over angels and air
airwaves or did you care either way or?

(01:08:53):
Neither. I wasn't into plus 44 either to
be honest. OK, yeah, maybe my heart was
broken. I don't know.
Makes sense was. Boxcar Racer, the only good,
good side thing that came out ofthose bands.
Oh, good question. Boxcar Racer was good.
I can't say like. Yeah.
They had that was one song wherethey had a dude from Rancid on

(01:09:15):
there 1 by 1, two by two. That was a really great song.
Because there was, I guess if we're going post Blink bands and
side projects, there was Boxcar,Racer Angels and Airways, plus
44 transplants. Transplants, yeah.
So it's. Was transplants really
transplants? Was just Travis though, wasn't.
It, yeah, yeah. And Travis has done a lot of

(01:09:36):
things. So I guess if you're including
everything Travis has done, that's probably a lot of stuff.
Cat Like Thief was the boxcar racer song that I just remember.
Man, I haven't thought about Boxcar Racer in a long time.
I kind of want to go back and listen to this, honestly.
Yeah. I'm like clicking through
Spotify. Totally.
Like man. Plus 44 was pretty good shit.
Boxcar Racer was pretty good shit.
The transplants were pretty good, man.
I'm going to listen to all of this.

(01:09:57):
I'm just now remembering too, wehad, we did a, a drum
competition back in the day called Drum Off and Angels and
airwaves headlined it one year. We kind of built the whole show
theme around space and like the the universe's drum competition.
And I remember using I was putting together like the intro

(01:10:17):
video, which was basically like these rockets blasting off.
And then so in in the theater, we were just showing these
rockets like preparing to launchoff.
And then it actually launched. It was like I used Ziggaros or
something to like build it up, you know, And then we get into
this spaceship and there's this woman explaining the
competition. And then I remember when I was
creating the video, I was using U2.

(01:10:40):
What's the the one with the guitar riff that that's like
every song. Fuck.
But I was. Not gonna know.
I was using AU2 song. I remember the guy being like,
no, no, no, it can't be U2. And so I used Panzos and Arrow
Waves the adventure and it fucking he's like, that's it
perfect. Makes sense.

(01:11:02):
You're like, it's basically the same thing.
He's going to use this like my next pick.
I'm actually going to pull an audible here because the song I
had next. I feel like your Creed pick kind
of took the same a similar place.
Sorry. Was it Dave Matthews Band?
No, it's all good. No, no, no.
But this band I'm going to pick now fits that same Dave Matthews

(01:11:23):
Band. But maybe, maybe not.
I don't know. Meet Virginia by train.
Here she is again on phone just like me.
Ain't still be alone. We just like to sit at home and
live on. President, meet Virginia.

(01:11:55):
Well, she. Wants to live her life and she
thinks about. Her life.
Oh fuck. All right, not a good band.
Not a good song. It's a good song.
When was the last time you heardListen to Me Virginia?
Never. 2006. It's a good, it's a good song.
Listen to it again. These answers better.
I don't believe you. It's a good song.
It's like he kind of gets made fun of a lot for his lyrics.
Like he's really good at writinglyrics that sound like they mean

(01:12:17):
something, and then when you think about him, you're like,
what the fuck? That's nothing.
I think this song is an exception and. 22 million
monthly listeners. Holy shit, who is still
listening to Train? Dude, they're huge though, and
this is. I mean, this isn't even close to
their biggest song. I just can't stand their big
their big their. 1st 2 songs have a billion fucking streams.
You gotta be fucking kidding me.Who is listening to Train?

(01:12:37):
This is like the disturbed of everything.
They're that Hey soul sister song is such a terrible song.
God damn, it's just. So bad.
But I do like Meet Virginia and that's what this theme is,
right? It's like these bands suck but.
Why do you like? That song Meet Virginia comes
on. It'd be it doesn't feel because
it feels like it should have been.

(01:12:58):
Like I honestly, it sounds like it could be a counting crow song
to me. And if if they performed it,
people would like it. But because train performed it,
I think people dismiss it. And that's kind of Fair because
you dig your own grave in music sometimes, like when you put out
the Hazeol. System they wear leather pants
one time and nobody's going to like your music.
I guess so, yeah. But like or drops, it's like

(01:13:19):
drops of Jupiter and Hazeol system really put them in like a
certain box, which is totally fair.
And but this song always felt more like, yeah, like that, kind
of like. Different bad song.
I'm not. I think you know this about me,
Don. I'm not really into that stuff
in general. Like I'm not even that big of a
Counting Crows song, but I respect them more than a lot of

(01:13:40):
that other genre. And I feel like this song is one
of the better songs from that kind of like radio friendly
mainstream pop rock with this like quasi middle America.
I don't know what you call that shit, but it's this like, did I
just describe it? OK.
Yeah, I feel like we're we're kind of swimming in this pool of
similar songs. Whereas you hear this song and

(01:14:03):
you're like, hey, not bad. And then you buy the album and
you're like, not another song onhere.
Yeah. And you know, like, yeah, for
me, it's like Jim Blossoms are in that same kind of category.
And Counting Crows even like I, I really did like the Counting
Crows. I forgot what song, but it, you
know, like Mr. Jones was on the radio and you're like, there's

(01:14:25):
something about hearing that song, like at that time in my
life, like, I don't know, it's just like gave you hope for
something. Similar artists aren't here for
them are all over the place. It's wild.
Everything from The Fray and Coldplay in One Republic, which
you kind of like, OK, I see that.
But then it says like pink and plain white Tees and fun and

(01:14:47):
Bastille and I'm like, I don't Mark Ronson.
I don't understand half of this stuff.
They they don't sound anything like this.
X Ambassadors are listed as a similar artist.
It's every artist that's on the Modern Hits radio station.
It's every artist that's on the mix, right?
Like. To be honest though, guys, we're
we're diving deep into some stuff that we can't even begin

(01:15:08):
to comprehend though, as to likehow your artist is paired with,
you know, somebody, an artist with similar, you know, 200
million views a day or whatever.It's all somebody's jobs to do
this. Like ex Ambassadors.
They're great band blind keyboardist, by the way.

(01:15:30):
And but the fact that you know how you can put yourself next
to, oh, we're like a train, you know, And so the algorithms pick
you up, you're in the playlist, all that stuff like that's,
that's science and money that people get paid to figure out
how to do like 24 hours a day. Is that why Imagine Dragons have
10 songs that are over a billionplays on Spotify?

(01:15:51):
No, that's because of my kid. Explain that.
That's because of my 9 year old son can't.
Figure that one out yet? Puts that puts.
I can't figure that one out either, but that one blows my
mind. Yeah, that's it's all the
algorithms. Man, yeah, trained.
I wouldn't have to talk about itmuch.
I knew I knew you guys were going to hate the train pick,
but I'm I'm being it's honest. I like meat Virginia, so people

(01:16:14):
can roast me in the comments. That's fine all.
Right. All 70 of them, yeah.
All 70 of them all. 70 of the listeners.
Hey Don undershoots the listeners, but not not by much.
Not by much, one of trains similar artists.
Also another artists where theirtop 10 songs have over a billion
plays. Top 10 songs have over a billion

(01:16:35):
plays. Coldplay sucks, but The
Scientist is fucking great. God said it was easy.

(01:17:10):
No one ever said it would be so hard.
I'm going back to the stop. Yeah.
This might be our first disagreement.
I like Coldplay, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Yeah. That's fine.
I mean it's OK, The Scientist isan emote like that video and
song are both fucking great. It's an emotion evoking song,
but I'm good on the rest of it. I'm good on the rest of

(01:17:33):
Coldplay. Hard pass on any other Coldplay
track, especially the other ninethat have over a billion fucking
streams. They got they got bad for sure.
They maybe they're my U2, exceptthat I didn't I stopped
following them. But I those first two records,
Parachutes and A Rush of Blood to the Head.
I like both those albums as albums personally, But you're

(01:17:56):
not alone in this Dawn like they're a very hated.
They're a disliked band. Chris Martin can go blow a
fucking balloon, man. That dude is just just go blow
everything on. Everything about Coldplay is
just not my shtick man. But.
He's he's he's kind of the definition of cringe man.
He's like the dude who wears like a he.
He stitches the word love onto his jacket and thinks he's doing

(01:18:19):
something to like make the worlda better place.
And like, you know, I'm I'm all for a positive outlook and
maybe, and for all I know he's abig philanthropist or something.
I don't know, Like I'm not, I don't know what he does
personally, but he also just strikes me as like a little bit
of like a big equal sign on yourhand to say something about
equality. But it's like, yeah, but you're
a middle-aged white dude from England, man.
Going on racist tirades and wineries?

(01:18:41):
Probably, yeah. Probably.
Probably safe to assume. No, I think there's AI think
Coldplay fall into that same category as, you know, Imagine
Dragons, Macklemore, you know, like they come out with a
message of positivity. They have a strong brand story
and fans eat that shit up. You know, like, I know for a

(01:19:04):
fact Imagine Dragons fans are super fans, Coldplay fans, super
fans, pretty much any band you like that's actively playing and
touring, they have their group of super fans and, you know,
they cater to them very much. And, you know, I think after 20
plus years of Coldplay doing that, I think it's just become
the shtick now, you know, and it's just like that's when, you

(01:19:25):
know, the quality flags come outand, you know, it's just like,
oh, we're going to have this moment now.
And people look forward to that.And, and I think that kind of
further like speaks to their music to like their future songs
they write and stuff. So they kind of start maybe
started out this way back in theday with like yellow and then it
kind of just became this thing, you know?

(01:19:48):
But the Willie Nelson version ofthat song is dope.
Don listen to Sparks and tell me.
I'm good. I'm fucking good.
I'm good, Rod. I'll listen to anything other
than sparks. You're not going to sell me on
Coldplay right now. That's fair.
That's fair. Totally fair.
Yeah, totally fair. All right, moving on.
Appreciate the try for sure. A+ effort on that one.

(01:20:09):
Our pass on Sparks. Thanks.
I'm. Going to send you a fantastic
cover of Sparks. Point 3 billion streams.
All right, Lee, last pick, we'realready there.
Oh boy. I mean.
I know. I think Don and I just nailed
pop radio hits. Yeah, middle America with those

(01:20:29):
last two. So yeah.
For sure I. Mean that changes anything.
All right, I'm going to go deep cut here then.
Beethoven piano Sonata. I fucking I love this.

(01:21:34):
Yeah, I mean, how can that song come from the same deaf ears as
absolute trash Simpson Symphony #5 like fuck that song dude,
fuck Beethoven, but Piano Sonata#5 man is just a piece of work.
It's beautiful. It could put you to sleep, it

(01:21:55):
could wake you up. I remember listening to that
song when my older son had colicwhen he was a baby and just
rocking him, listening to that in my headphones.
Just a gorgeous song from a otherwise unkempt border hoarder
asshole. I love that you're even getting
into the personality of somebodythat lived in the 19th century.

(01:22:17):
And I mean, he's deaf, so he won't be able to hear this, and
he's dead. So it's like, we're good.
Yeah. I'm glad, he specified.
Both he went. Deaf 1st and then. 100%, yeah.
And I love that you have such strong feelings on Beethoven.
This is the happen what may be the happiest I've ever been on
this podcast. I mean I.

(01:22:37):
Fantastic. I consider myself very eclectic
in my musical taste, so I thought I'd dip into something a
little more obscure. Totally fair listener, still on
Spotify. How many?
For Beethoven. For Beethoven, Beethoven's
rocking 8 million monthly listeners.
Nothing. Nothing has come out recently
though, just so you guys know. No, no recent releases from
Beethoven. Who owns that shit?

(01:22:58):
That's a great question. Are you a more of a Mozart guy
or are you not a Mozart guy either?
No, Mozart rules. Yeah, everything.
Everything because. It feels like that's that's
you're either team. It's like Rolling Stones bait or
Beatles. Before, before the 20th century,
it was like you're it's Mozart of Beethoven, maybe Brahms.
Yeah. Well, Beethoven basically, like

(01:23:19):
he's one of the original biters.You know, he's, he bit Mozart
for a long time when he could hear and then he stopped being
able to hear and then just kept trying to make music.
And he's like, hey, guys, it's good.
I'm deaf and I disagree. Which is, which is probably not
that hot of a take because making music as a deaf person is
probably it's probably difficult.

(01:23:41):
You know what? Kind of reminds me of those is
the story we're talking about, my friends.
We're talking about how, like guitar, guitars and music is
kind of like going away. They're like, yeah, you know,
fucking don't hear any song, anyguitar and songs anymore.
And I was, we were at dinner andI was sitting there.
I was like, guys, you sound likeold fucking dudes.
Could you imagine? Like, you know, there's not much
harpsichord in music these days.I wonder what's going on?

(01:24:06):
Upwards. Yeah, nobody has string quartets
anymore. What's going on?
I need the cello. Well, hey Lee, this is the first
classical piece we've had on as yet. 40 episodes in. 41 episodes
in. Groundbreaking.
Yeah, groundbreaking. Well done.
Shit, Where do I go? All right, so I have a deep,
deep, deep, deeply rooted disdain and dislike for jam

(01:24:31):
bands. All of them.
Pretty much. All I mean, I guess, I guess
there might be some classification questions here.
What is and isn't they can get into, But generally people who
either self identify or their fans identify them as jam band.
I'm I'm out, I'm out. If, if, if, if there's a high
likelihood that I go see you live and the person next to me

(01:24:51):
doesn't have shoes on, I'm out. It's fair, it's fair.
I do, however I always have kindof liked.
As cringy as it is, I kind of like send me on my way by rusted
root I. Would like to reach out.

(01:25:24):
My. And I'm putting it in here, and
you guys know that song, right? I went to College in Colorado.
Man, I know that song. So I got to say one, it sounds

(01:25:48):
like it sounds like a Bobby McFerrin song or something, or
something that would have came out in like the mid to late 80s
as a bit of a novelty song. And it didn't.
It came out in the early 90s. And the music video, don't go
watch it. It's just a bunch of white
people and drug rugs and prayer beads dancing around mountains
with like it like cut shots of Native Americans.

(01:26:09):
Sounds problematic. It's highly problematic and you
know 1992 I think so maybe then it was OK, but I don't know.
But it's not now. And however it's a catchy
fucking song, man. It's got that like vocal
percussive thing. Very Bob, you know what I mean?
You're. Like flute right now I'm loving
that. It's it's you know what it feels

(01:26:30):
like this was this feels like, and maybe it was in one, but
this feels like it had to have been in some early 90s Disney
movies. Sure, like soundtrack, I
guarantee and. Look it up.
Probably Shrek soundtrack. For some reason, when I hear
this song, I picture the Jamaican bobsled team walking
up. Like group of kids.

(01:26:53):
Like, is this the intro song to Cool Runnings?
I don't think it is, but it could be.
It totally could be. But yeah, I I don't like this
band. I don't like OAR does.
Anybody know any other? Any of that.
Rusted root songs No. Does the catalog run deeper?
Do they have more than one album?
They. Oh yeah, there's believe me, I
looked into it and this was their only big hit.

(01:27:15):
This was like their only commercial hit.
OK, this album went platinum andI think it was on the back of
this song. Platinum, yeah.
This album went platinum shit. It was a different time back
then. On the back of this song but
yeah so here here's a great example so this song has half a
billion plays on Spotify their next biggest song only has 66
million so massive distinction but they still have 3,000,000

(01:27:37):
monthly listeners on here and I guarantee you that if they
played a festival they played whatever people are showing up
to watch rusted root and. Who's people you say it so
broadly? Jam band people, man.
Yeah. You kidding me?
Are you? Are you kidding me for real?
Like, I'll be honest, I have friends that fit in this
category and they're probably listening to this.
And then you know who you are and you know how I feel about

(01:27:58):
some of the music that you listen to.
So I grew up, I grew up in the city, so California and then Las
Vegas and I went to when I went to college, I went to Colorado
for the first time ever and thatwas like my first exposure to
the jam band culture, the hikers, the climbers, you know,

(01:28:20):
the the tree only snowboarders that toke more than they shred.
You know that kind of and lots. Of lots of visible toes.
Oh yeah, yeah, and OAR or yeah, they were huge And and this
song, it was just like, I just remember catching rides with
people and like this was just intheir car on the way to go
snowboarding. Like it was just like, Yep, I

(01:28:41):
know we're going to be listeningto this or.
Oh, cracks me up. Yeah.
Dude, fish or something like that.
Yeah, It's, it's, it's, it's allthat.
It's all that stuff. It's.
It sure is something. All right, there you go.
Rested root. Send me on my way.
Sorry to expose everybody to rested root, but this sounds
fun. No, that's all good.
All right. All right, my last pick, last

(01:29:02):
pick, last pick of the last pick.
I I couldn't possibly give any less shits when she came in like
a Wrecking Ball. But when Miley Cyrus said she
wanted to see you again, that isa fucking jam.
I can't wait to see you. Early Miley Cyrus.

(01:29:39):
Early Miley Cyrus, Yeah, don't give a shit about anything she's
done since. Didn't.
Give Hannah Montana era almost sure.
Yeah, didn't even make a top 10.Not even party in the USA.
Nah, pass. For my money, it doesn't get
much better than when Miley Cyrus sings Party in the USA.
I'm a Party USA fan too. I'm a fan.

(01:30:00):
Jessie J song first originally. I'm pretty sure it was Jessie J
Yeah, I I performed choreographyto party in the USA on a stage
in Estes, Colorado. I'm pretty sure in front of you,
Don. I remember.
Yeah, we're getting into karaoketerritory.
Well, we are a little bit. See You Again is just a fucking
jam. It's almost like if you changed

(01:30:22):
Miley Cyrus and like put a little more distortion on those
guitars. That's a fucking pop punk song
all day long. But that was this era in pop.
So this is like the the not Jessica Simpson.
What was her sister Ashley Simpson Miley.
So this is that era of like likeKelly Clarkson too.
It's like a quasi punky guitars.They're mixed down low enough

(01:30:42):
that it still sounds pop and thedrums are mixed up a bunch.
But yeah, there's this like era of like pop music where it's a
little like punky. Avril Lavigne.
Yeah, Avril Lavigne Pink. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, 2007, see you again. Opening track to meet Miley
Cyrus. I'm here for it, dude.
I like this song. I just, I don't, I don't really

(01:31:03):
have hate for Miley. Anybody that Dolly Parton loves.
Well, that's the thing. It's like, I just don't give a
shit about any other Miley Cyrussongs.
Don't care about any of them. Part of the USA is fantastic,
but. This is a great fucking song.
I didn't know, I don't know the song, but I'm digging and
listening to it right now. Oh.
Dude it's so good. This should be like I would love
to hear a pop punk band cover this song like really well.

(01:31:24):
Me first in the Gimme gimmes. Wait, what year did you see this
coming up? Maybe I want to hear me first
cover this. That would be fantastic.
It'd be so good. I'm gonna, I'm gonna reveal
something here for a minute. I didn't know that they were a
cover band. Oh.
Shit, yeah. Like just for a minute or like
for a while? For a brief moment, like

(01:31:45):
probably because they were on like, you know, the fat Volume 1
or whatever, like that. And I was like, man, this song
fucking is dope. And then I was like, oh, OK.
I get it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. All right, honorable, mentions
Lee. What were the songs that didn't
make the cut for one reason or another?
Oh, bring up. Man, OK, so I've got Kanye, all

(01:32:09):
of the lights because it does a dope song and that's kind of
like, it's like, damn, dude, whydid you have to go get fucking
crazy? And now I can't like the music.
Kind of like some, you know, actors who did some shit.
You know, it's like you had to go and wreck it.
I think about it all the time, like how is there nobody in the
is there nobody in the camp? Is there nobody in the camp?
Kanye? That's like, hey, man, come on.

(01:32:30):
Like Rod, I love you like a brother, man.
And if you started like walking around and like KKK garb, I'd be
like yo bro, you can't do that man.
I don't care how much of A genius you think you are, that's
just not OK. Or does he just alienate those
people that will I? Think he probably just, that's
what I was going to say. I think he just cuts those
people out. I have to imagine those people
have existed in his sphere. I would hope so.

(01:32:53):
Yeah. Yeah, Fuck.
It's a damn shame, all right? I cut you off Liam's.
Oh, that's all right. I don't know if we're doing like
a list type scenario, but I'll just kind of list them.
We don't have to get into them all.
But I mean, disturbed they did acover of Sound of Silence that
is fucking so good. Like it's.
So good. It's so fucking haunting.
Couldn't listen to. Yeah, couldn't listen to a

(01:33:13):
Disturbed song for the life of me, but that song, they, they
they did it. I don't know if they did it for
a video games trailer or if theyjust used it, but it's just
like, epic. See what else I got here under
the bridge, Red Hot Chili Peppers.
It's the first song I taught myself how to play on guitar.
Yeah. Oh really?

(01:33:33):
Yeah. But they they were strong
contender for this list for sure.
Yeah, and then my last one, the Darude Sandstorm.
Oh hell yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I don't know any other Darude songs.
Yeah, they suck. They're horrible.
Sandstorm though, like, yeah, sothat's, that's my, my backup

(01:33:54):
list. Man I had like 5 I'm just going
to fire them out. These the 1st 2 are really
similar but I I was going to pick fuel Shimmer but that felt
a little Creedish. But it's a great song.
Not not a good band. I also had Switchfoot meant to
live because I do like that song, but I also don't like that
band. Great early 90s one hit wonders

(01:34:15):
playlist right now too dude. So much of my so much of this
initially was like early 90s post grunge bands that was like
you all, but you all had at least one song that was like
kind of fire. I had Heat of the Moment by
Asia, Asia. That's actually not good.
Asia's not good, but Heat of themoment's a jam.

(01:34:35):
Fall Down by Toad the Wet Sprocket.
That's kind of that train vibe. Sail by AWOL Nation.
That's the only good toad, the wet sprocket.
In my opinion that's not their biggest song, but that's the
only one I like at all. I had Sail by AWOL Nation only
because I feels like a great crowd participation song and
then I I got this was so close to making the list and and then

(01:34:56):
you said your parents listen to this too, Lee, but I'm I do not
like Pink Floyd, but Wish you were here is a fucking fantastic
song. It's a fairly solid album too,
although the rest of it's just OK to me.
But the song is fantastic. So not a Pink Floyd fan but I
don't know they didn't make the final list all.

(01:35:16):
Right as I let the credits scroll for 30 Seconds To Mars
King in Queens. Unfortunately, Lee didn't make
the credits under riders, which is disappointing to see.
I'm sure. Like there was some anonymity
things. We were trying to keep your your
persona secret. So I get that.
It's funny that we talked about them earlier because unsteady by
ex ambassadors only. Good one.

(01:35:37):
Not in any rush to listen any more of it, but that is a
beautiful vocal performance in that song for sure.
And then I only had one more andI I struggled to even put this
one on an honorable mention because I fucking hate ACDC so
much. The health spells would be the
only redeeming ACDC song, but even still, I don't even want to
listen to the right call. Is the right call if you're

(01:35:57):
going to have to do. Something to listen to an ACDC
song, it's gonna be Hells Bells,but other than that I don't want
to listen to it at all. So those are I only have two.
I mean, I'll give another one. I had chain smokers on here too.
Yeah, what's on? Don't let me down.
Well, I love that song. It's great.
I'm not really a fan of anythingelse they did necessarily.
Yeah. You know who popped in my head
yesterday, though, Don? And I thought about putting them

(01:36:19):
on. And then I listened to it and
I'm like, actually, I like I like way too many of their songs
and I'm embarrassed about it, but it fuck it, I'll bring it
up. Do you guys remember Messed?
Fuck yeah, dude. What's the dillio?
Yeah. What's the Dillio and Cadillac?
And I was like, man, they sucked.
And I went back and listened. I'm like, you know what?
I kind of love them and I and they are corny, but God damn do

(01:36:43):
I like it. They were.
Supposed to be like, were they from Chicago?
No, I think they were Socal. And they were, but they were
John Feldman. No way, dude.
No. From fucking Blood Island.
Man, South side of Chicago. I knew they were from fucking
around here. Well, you know what's wild is
Show Off was from Chicago and they sound the exact same.
Those two bands sound the exact same.

(01:37:04):
That is so you brought show off on a show off up on a previous
episode and what I didn't remember and like I was like,
no, I don't fucking remember show off, but I totally do
remember show off now that like we talked about it a little bit
and I remember that asshole fromshow off.
Did I talk about this? Nope.
OK, so whoever the asshole singer was for that band, like

(01:37:26):
in his first like advance check spent all the money on like a
lifetime supply of Kit Kat or something stupid like that.
And that was like his like he proclaimed it.
He was like, no way, man. I spent all my money on Kit Kats
and it's like what an asshole. Chris Envy, but yeah.
Yeah, for sure. He was that guy.

(01:37:46):
Something along those lines. He spent all that money on Kit
Kats or some shit. I have a lot of show off stories
for some reason. That's not what this podcast,
this episode is for. That's going to have to be safe
for a later date. Nobody fucking knows who we're
talking about right now. They were not big.
They had one song. They had one like music video
that was on 120 Minutes or whatever the late night MTV show
was in the early 2000s and they were produced by John Feldman.

(01:38:10):
But then Mess came along and sounded just like them and got
way bigger and then all that other shit.
But. If it makes you feel better,
Showoff's new EP came out in 2024.
I know it's OK to be honest withyou, it's.
Not. Bad.
I listen to it, it's OK. Kit Kat money really paid off.
All right, Don, you want to rollthrough this list?
Fire out the list. OK, Spoon anything you want.

(01:38:32):
Smash Mouth Walking on the Sun 30 Seconds To Mars, The Kill
Breed Hire Drake Hotline Bling You 2 Sunday, Bloody Sunday
Angels and Airwaves, The Adventure Train Meet Virginia
Coldplay, The Scientist, Beethoven the Anderson Out of
Rusted Roots, and Me On My Way and Miley Cyrus.
See You again. There it is, There it is.
That's the that's the mix tape. So I'll send the I'll send you

(01:38:54):
this. List later.
Lee and and whenever you can just get me whatever order you
think they should be in. Yeah, really, really curious
what? What's going to follow?
Beethoven's Sonata #5. Where that falls on the mix
tape, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, flow of the mix tape is super important, yeah.
Absolutely. All right.

(01:39:24):
Thanks for doing this man. That was super fun.
This was. I don't want it to end.
This was yeah, this was a weird one.
Like, I don't know about you guys, but like there was some
like constantly listening to bands that I knew I didn't like
in preparation for this episode was a bit of a like, maybe it
wasn't for you, Lee, because youwere as soon as as soon as we
chose this theme, you were like,I already got 5 in my head right

(01:39:45):
now. And I was like, damn, you're.
Well prepared. Yeah, you were ready for it.
I had to do. I had to like, dig in.
I'm like, who do I really not like?
And then I have to go see if they have any songs I actually
do like. So I listen to way too much
music I fucking dislike. Yeah, I was trying.
To go for like story based, you know, like what, you know, Dave
Matthews Band, which we didn't talk about, you know, I, I wrote

(01:40:08):
them off. I did not like him until I met
this guy that loved him and he played me this one song and I
was like, that's it. Like I get it.
Not for me, but I get it, you know?
But yeah, I tried to find that the storyline, which I think is
kind of, we all got a little nostalgic too and kind of, you
know, being like, oh, wow, maybeI did like that, you know?

(01:40:30):
Yeah like I had to like I had toreally be like man, I bought 2
Smash Mouth albums and what the fuck did I do?
I mean I was 13. Is that an excuse?
You know, I also, I also owned aGodsmack album and I owned a
fucking, you know, we do. It's not all home runs, Don.

(01:40:52):
It's not all home runs. You know what I bought the LSDJ
album. You did buy the LSDJ?
Yeah, I did. Physical, that sounds, you know,
the songs, the jam. Yeah, not much else to listen to
from them though. Well, thank you, Lee.
This was a great time. I appreciate it.
It was a good theme. Yeah, I had a lot of fun.
Thanks for having me. Yeah, of.
Course. Appreciate it and good luck in

(01:41:13):
your future work. I don't know if you got anything
in the pipeline right now, but. Nothing looking for jobs.
Anybody got anything for me? Anybody got any hit up lead?
He does good work. I was real.
Actually. That that what's it called the
phony Negroni ad that you guys did is.
That what it oh. Yeah, duh.

(01:41:33):
That's such a fucking good ad, dude.
I love it, That guy, the guy in there.
The guy with like the suit and like the fake and like the dark
tan that guy. Yeah, yeah.
That's not fake. It's real.
He's the ex pro tennis player from the 70s.
Anon is his name. And he wasn't supposed to be the
lead. It was actually the director

(01:41:55):
found him walking on the street when he was taking his daughter
to a birthday party. And he's like, hey, do you want
to be in a commercial? And yeah, it's awesome.
And so when he showed me the footage, because he was, he
wanted me to help out with the organizing and stuff.
And as soon as I saw that, I waslike, dude, like we got to I'm
in on this. This is going to be great that.

(01:42:15):
Guy is fantastic. Yeah, that guy was fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, he made, he made that commercial for sure.
For sure. Yeah, that was that was a good
one. Thanks.
Right on, man. Well, it was good doing this.
Tell Shelby she's a liar and sheshould, if she's going to, if
she's going to tell us, if she'sgoing to tell us bibs, she
should at least remember them ifshe's going to prank people.
And, you know, let your son knowthat it's OK to listen to Creed

(01:42:38):
if he's going to Creed. All good, He's well on his way.
Awesome. I'll, I'll check and see what
he's listening to now and get back to you.
Please. 2 for real. Awesome.
All right. Thanks, man.
Thanks. Bye.
Goodbye.

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