Tape 45 - "Sing Me Anything" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How too many? Licks.
Now, the making of a good compilation tape is a very
subtle art. Many do's and don'ts.
First of all, you're using someone else's poetry to express
how you feel. This is a delicate.
Thing you got to kick it off with a killer grab attention,

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then you got to take it up enough, then you got to cool.
It off a notch. There are a lot of rules.
What I was going to ask was if you got your hoodie in your
shirt in the mail. I did give my hoodie my shirt,
should I put my hoodie on? If you want, if you want to.
I almost wore mine today but it smells like a campfire and I

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didn't want to smell like a campfire.
It doesn't smell like a campfire.
You'll be able to hear me while I go put it on.
I'll put it on you fill the timewith music news or talk about
the weather or something. Phil Yep, we're going to talk
about the weather. Crazy shit.

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Been raining cats and dogs here.The river here in Richmond is
about to overflow. They've had to put up the flood
walls I think. And then my mom sent me the.
Day after tomorrow. I don't know.
My mom in Indy sent me, well, she sent me photos of rainbows
because she's that's what she's going to do.
But the rainbows were there because they've been storming so
bad. It was so crazy.

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And I'm guessing that's how it was there in Chicago.
Dude did you not see the dust storm shit from yesterday?
Google Chicago dust storm. Hey, I'm back.
Chicago dust storm. Google Chicago dust storm.
Hey, Google it. I'm.
I'm I'm doing it do me a. Favoring Google Chicago dust
storm. What the hell?
This is wild, it looks like. Yesterday.

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Looks like LA smog. I was driving home.
It was a freak dust storm in Chicago.
Driving home from work, I think it was two nights ago, we had
hurricane force winds. What the hell?
So, like, it was as windy as a hurricane in Chicago.
Yeah, I think we live in day after tomorrow.
If I see wolves, I'm fucking bunkering down.

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That's why. Did you see that movie?
Yeah, for tomorrow, Yeah, it's been, it's been a while.
It's been a while. It was not good.
That's not when you run out to watch a second time.
But yeah, so the hoodie, hoodie and shirt, you like them?
They're good. It's good quality, right?
That's. Surprisingly good quality and
like, can't feel the graphic. It's it's not Ryan Fancher
content, I'll tell you that much.

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Yeah, it's it's saves US money though.
Sorry, Ryan, that's true. Maybe when we're for.
More options. When we're big enough, Ryan, I'm
I would love to go back to you for more stuff.
Ryan, I wore my green an orange T-shirt yesterday, actually.
Cozy. T-shirt.
Recent work event for you the Was it the Prisoner of Mixtapes
T-shirt that make a guest star appearance on the stage or was

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it. Yeah, it did.
So Evan Thomas wore it on stage at our company event.
I wore my hoodie during a surprise karaoke.
I did. That's why it smells like smoke.
I did karaoke. What were you saying?
Were you saying in Dixieland? No, I had a request, Yeah, Cole
Pinion requested I do Jack and Diane.
I said you pick a song. And he was like, it's Jack and

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Diane. So he I'm hoping that means he's
a listener. Because you're the asshole that
picked it twice for the mixed. I hope so.
I hope it's because he's a listener.
Yeah. Yeah.
So so that's good. That was good.
What else is new? That's that's the weather.
So that's what's up with the weather.
Yeah, we got quick and fast and furious.
It's fucked in Chicago. I went for a run this morning.
I've been very productive this morning.
Went for a run this morning and it's like it looks like post

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tornado bullshit. Like there's trees down
everywhere. There's 4.
Tornadoes in in the Midwest too.Yeah, like Bloomington had a
tornado, so. Yeah.
Just a reminder to the listeners, I did set it up on
our web store now where you can just pay with a credit card and
not just PayPal. So if anybody was waiting to buy
merch because some of you told me you were, These hoodies are

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so nice. I know we're getting into the
nice weather, but you still needa cozy hoodie for when it's
colder. Nice long sleeve tea with me.
Or nice long sleeve tea. That's right.
Yeah, it's a great hit. I've been wearing that hoodie a
lot, dude. I I will say it's a little
oversized. So just keep that in mind when
people are buying, buying it. But let's get into let's get in
some music news. I wish I could also have things

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queued up. I could also have sounds and
tones. You can because I personally can
outside of my watch though. Yeah, I can teach you how to do
it. OK, if we could do that, that
would be great because I I decided that today is going to
be all about friendlies. I'm going to be extra friendly
on today's mixtape. Extra friendly.
That's not what the listeners come for.
They don't come for this friendly dog.

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But the guests, the guests will prompt some extra friendly,
which is kind of counterintuitive for who the
guest is, but we'll get there. But also, I read a really funny
comment that somebody left on anepisode.
I don't remember who it was, butthey commented that was like
they would lean to Team Rachel, that I was too mean to you.
Then I said that Joshua Trees got a lot of good songs on it

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that I don't want to listen to, and then they said that they
can't deny that I'm right on some stuff.
Yeah, yeah, that's I know exactly who that was.
And that was funny. It's pretty funny, yeah.
So I'm going strictly friendliestoday.
You look pretty pink, Rod. Thank you, I appreciate it.
It's my Angel, my Angel dust hoodie.
Shout out Angel Dust. Angel Dust hardcore.
All right, I got a bunch of music news.
Is all of it happy? Because if not, I'm going to.

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I'm going to come from above theline and put a positive spin on
all of. Them nothing nothing sad, but
it's not all like happy news sleep token is hit has hit both
number one in the US and in the UK it's not currently number one
in the US, but it hit it how insane is it that a metal band I
don't get it I don't get it either but you know what though
but I'm. Get it?
Hey, what's the positive spin though?

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So happy for them, so happy for them.
Congratulations, I am happy for like rock music though.
Like I don't get sleep token. Either.
Yeah, that's great. Maybe we're just not supposed to
get it. Maybe it's not for old men.
You know, We've already got our metal bands.
Stoked to see a rock band at #1 in multiple.
That's that's I wonder when the last time that happened was in
the US. I do.
Love the lore like what a cool like what a cool character.

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Bands with stories and stuff like that, yeah.
Cloaks. Props.
I really want to know what time,the last time Nickelback was the
last band to be #1 in the US, 2001.
That's how long it's been. You know what?
It's a rock band. Good for them.
Good for them. All right, Second piece.

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John John Freeze, the drummer Foo Fighters is no longer the
drummer Foo Fighters. He has been asked to leave the
band with no reason why. He posted it on his social
media. He was.
Asked to leave. He's like, no hard feelings.
I've had a great time. But they've said they decided to
go in a different direction withtheir drummer.
What do you think that means? Well, when I think about John

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Freese, he is everyone's drummer.
Everyone's drummer. And good.
Great drummer. Great drummer, everyone's good
drummer, and I think, and I would think that he would just
fall right into place in Foo Fighters.
I think he doesn't fit Foo Fighters style as a Foo Fighters
fan, but that's not against John, because John's a great
drummer. I think Foo Fighters have a very

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they, they want another Dave Grohl type and they kind of
found it in Taylor, and then Taylor's gone and I think
they're looking for someone else.
And John is just that incrediblysolid drummer that can play for
anybody and has played for anybody.
And. That's what his post said.
He was like, look, I've always bounced around bands, so this is
not a big deal for me. I just was really stoked that I

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found had like a place, I thought, with the Foo Fighters,
and I guess they don't want me anymore.
So it was like, wild, yeah. Sounds salty.
That sounds salty until. It's just a bag of potato chips.
I'm curious what more comes out from that story.
Slick Rick has announced his first album in 26 years.
OK. Just like Turnstile, he's
releasing a visual LP at TribecaFilm Festival.

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So both Turnstile and Slick Rickare going to have movies at
Tribeca that are just their visual version of their albums.
Not Slick Rick Fan don't want tobring back the eye patch.
It's fine. It's Yeah.
You know what? Good for him.
Good for him. This positive.
Don's creeping me out. I don't like.
I'm going to move on, all right.A new Snoop Dogg album.

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You know what it sounds like? The Snoop Dogg album.
Did you see this? 9 Inch Nails are launching.
Not Trent Reznor, but 9 Inch Nails are launching a music
festival. No different thing.
Music festival to quote feature the world's best composers.
Oh God. And it's not all like classical
music because I saw Questlove was on the lineup, so I'm not

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sure how they're defining composers, but they said it's
there's gonna be no headliners, there's no hierarchy to the bill
billing, just like 3 days of music is how they announced it.
So we'll see how that goes. But it seems like everything
Trent touches kind of works for him, so yeah.
I can't imagine him doing anything not awesome.
And then lastly, I'm sorry, thisone is it's it's not sad, but it

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is negative. Let's see if.
I can spin it. Let's see if I.
Can spin it. Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili
Peppers and Live Nation have partnered on a new iced canned
iced coffee company called Jolene.
And I just want to say fuck you,Anthony Kiedis.
I hate this so much. I hate that you're partnering
with Live Nation. I don't like the Red Hot Chili

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Peppers. I don't understand why you have
an iced coffee at all. And I don't understand why you
would name it after a Dolly Parton song that's a treasure to
this country. And now we'll see if you can put
a positive spin on that, Don. You know, I've really been
interested in bands that don't have the the beginning of their
name lately. And you're so you're so good.
Good on Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not the yeah, yeah, yes, I found that out from the new
episode of 60 Songs. And Eagles is one of the harder
ones to say. Eagle.
Because in the context of a sentence, you need the word, you
need the article in there, you need to say the well, that's
music news done. No positives.
Just. If you can't say anything nice,
you just don't say anything at all.
That's what mom. That's a good way to spin it.

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That's a good way to spin it. It's it sure is.
You're going back over the pond.I am, I'm going to Amsterdam.
I leave in 2 days so. What are you doing there?
Fucking soccer. Just.
Little holiday? Nope.
Not going to see any soccer. No season's season's going to be
over before we get over there. Well, I'm going to go watch
soccer. I'm going to go watch the final
Premier League game of the season at like a pub somewhere

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because my team will be lifting the trophy.
So I want to watch that, but I'mnot going to go to any soccer
games now. Wait a minute, how do you know
your teams will be lifting the trophy?
Do they already? We, we already, we already know
we won. We they just have to.
There's two games. Like a point series.
Yeah, it's a points thing and. They already have the most
points. Yep, they can't.
Nobody can catch them, so they do this awesome thing.
I think it's awesome in the Premier League.

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So if a team already knows they won, like if they hit the points
and nobody can catch up with them, but there's more games
left, they do what's called a guard of honor.
And when the teams take the field, the winning, the team
that's already won the league walks through a tunnel of the
other team's players who have toclap for them.
And then you're about to play them.
How? How just like knife in the gut

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is that? That's terrible.
It's brutal dude. I was talking about soccer the
other day. I don't give a shit.
I'm happy that they're enjoying the sport they're playing.
Yeah. What is MLS the equivalency of?
Because you ultimately play MLS to make your way to Premier
League, more or less. Or to higher league.
So it's the, it's the top leaguein the US, but in the world

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it's. A joke.
It depends. It depends.
It's probably top. It's probably still top ten
quality league in the world because most leagues lose all
their best players to the betterto the other leagues like the
Italian German. Play MLS to try and make it to
Premier League. Like when you're a little washed
up in MLS and Premier League, you kind of come back to MLS.

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Sure. That's one of the ways it
happens for sure. It's FIFA has it listed as a top
five league, but I think they include like the market and the
like money and the viewership and stuff like that.
So MLS has good viewership actually.
I mean, we're a huge country though, so yeah, versus like
Germany or Italy or whatever, but yeah.
Sure. But it's not a soccer podcast,

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although I'm down learning. Do one of those with someone.
I'm learning things. You're going to do a soccer
podcast? Don't you fucking dare cheat.
That I'm down to, well, I hate that would be the reverse.
Somebody else is going to have to do the homework on that one
and I'll, I'll just show up and take the credit on that one.
Are you saying that I don't put in my work on this one with my
you said? With my.
You said weekly Instagram post. You said that.

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I'm saying that I don't contribute with my one weekly
Instagram post. Listeners, I always send Don
these photos of like our stickers out in the wild or like
me wearing a hoodie or somethinglike that.
In my mind I'm like 1. Especially good.
I'm like, I'm always like, one of these days, maybe Donald
actually post one of these on the Instagram and advertise that
we sell things, but no. Instead, I posted on my personal

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Instagram what I was what I think was one of the funniest
videos that I've ever made of all time yesterday.
The Lions, yeah. Yep, I was pretty proud of that.
I was walking to the city and saw that house where like
clearly the lions have seen better days but they ah man, do
I have the audio readily available.

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Those poor, those poor Lion, they, they were very tortured.
I. Also heard that that means that
you have paid off your house. Is that if you put those lions
in front of your house? Like back in what?
Like the 40s, thirties? I don't know.
I just work here. I wish that we had really, I

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wish you'd really artistic listeners that could draw a
picture of what they think thoselions look like based on that
line. If anybody wants to e-mail us,
Roderick at How to make a mixtape.com or Don at how to
make a mixtape.com a drawing of what you think the Lions looked
like that made those sounds because Don nailed it.
That is exactly. Can.
That be the next those lions. Can that be the next sticker?

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Is one of those lions. You're going to have to go to
the, somebody's going to have todraw it or you're going to have
to go back to that house and take a better photo for me.
But I could I could still shot that photo.
All right, how to make a mixtapeepisode 44?
Let's get this thing kicked off.Holy shit.
I'm trying to be more professional.
We never say the name of the podcast, but episode 44 dude,
we're approaching 50. I can't believe we've got 44

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episodes. What are we going to do for 50?
I don't know, I'll have to thinkof something.
How long do you think it is before a lot of people start to
listen well? We're about to, oh shit, we
should talk about this. We're about to be doxxed a
little bit because Spotify alerted me that they're going to
start showing play counts on podcast episodes.
So everybody that thinks that we're like this massive podcast

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they're about to see. Nobody thinks that.
Nobody thinks that. I think people think we're
bigger than we are, but not not massive, not massive.
That was over exaggeration. But do you remember when we
talked about the fact that we'vegot 70 good consistent
listeners? That's true.
Yeah, it's true. On Spotify it's it's more than
so. I can give, I don't.

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Want to give all the numbers away.
We're over 200 followers now across all platforms.
So that's, that's active followers who get notified and
we have a new episode and whatnot.
Our most played episode has now probably, if I'm doing the math
in my head, probably like 350 to375 plays on it across all

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platforms. That's that's the range we're
talking here, people, and that's, that's.
It's not enough to retire. Not even close.
We're still a good Let's see. Let me do the math here.
We're still a good 19th. I think 19,000, 650 plays away
from being able to monetize thatepisode right around.

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The corner that's right around the corner.
But hey, thank you. Hey listeners, thank you for
listening. I don't love any of them any
less. I love them more.
Yeah, our, our, we have great committed listeners and I love
all of you. 70 of them. LL70 Yeah, you commit and and

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the let's say the other 50 wishywashy.
Yep. Partly committed individuals.
But you know what if it means that at some point in time, no,
never mind. I'm still trying to come from
above the line. I enjoy what I'm doing.
Hey, we're. International great time.
International listenership has gone up.

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Canada's is a higher is now at 31/2% listenership and Norway is
at 2%. How are we doing on planets?
Planets is still just one unfortunately.
Fuck. Yeah, So all right, let's do
this thing. Let's get that guest in and go.
Let's do it. Hello, I am an AI voice

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piss. Mix tape.
The song selection gets harder, especially when the themes are

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more artists that like like thistheme specifically is like, well
I listen to a lot of the same artists all the time so like the
reason I like these artists is because they're fucking awesome.
So that's what makes it work. Shit.
How do I not have overlap of artists that have been on a
million other mixtapes? Yeah, I think I only have like
21 selections for this. It'll be.

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No, that's it. Yeah, you should be fine.
Yeah, you can narrow it down to four in the next.
I don't know, Roderick. Hour in 20 minutes.
Yeah, our special guest today. You missed it in the intro,
Steve, but I said that I'm coming strictly from above the
line with positivity for today'sepisode.
And the reason being is. And I called bullshit.

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On that he I called bullshit other direction.
I number one, I anticipated you going the other direction #1 And
then number 2 was I was out for a run this morning, and as I was
thinking about the theme and thinking about you being on, I
was like, you know what? It's safe to say that Steve is
probably one of the biggest influences in shaping the music
that I listen to now. Like we just started listening

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to music together at the at the right time where a lot of what
you were bringing to the table was like, Yep, I'm into that.
And that has kind of stuck for forever.
So you wear wear that hat with whatever kind of level of proud
you feel like you should. That's pretty awesome, yeah.
So like, I was thinking about this, this artist didn't make

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the cut. But like, I remember listening
to the Afghan Whigs together andbeing like, this is fucking
cool. Like, this is cooler than I am
and I shouldn't be listening to this.
But if it's OK. Yeah, that's true.
And probably still the case to this day.
We listen to a lot of weird, weird shit.
When we a lot of weird shit. Yeah, yeah.
But with that, Steve, welcome tothe pod.

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Awesome, glad to be here. Welcome to How to Make a Mixtape
episode #44 Yep. How many songs do we have to
Roderick? I got it, I got it.
You got to pull 5. Hundred 527 songs.
Crazy are. We going to do something cool
from when we break 1000. We should.
Steve, what is today's theme? Voices that can sing you
anything or your favorite voices.

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Yeah, favorite vocalists, voicesthat can sing you anything.
I think this is a good one, but a challenging 1 because
obviously 525 songs. You want to pick artists that
you've picked before because youlisten to the shit you like,
because you like them. Yep.
Yeah, we went. I was actually talking to some
people at work. I don't think they're

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necessarily my favorite artists,but they're voices.
I could probably listen to it anytime.
Yeah. I have.
I have that the same as well. I found I found it challenging
in two ways. One, narrowing it down, but
that's every episode. Narrowing it down is always the
challenge. On all these episodes, you end
up with 20 songs and how do I pick 4?
But the other part of this is it's not the it's not even the

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Best Song by that artist or my favorite song.
It's I was, I found myself trying to find the song that
like best showed why I love thisperson's vocals, if that makes
sense. So it's like the one that showed
off why I love this, this voice.So I, I was getting deep into
some of these artists being like, man, that's I love this
song, but this song's really probably better for illustrating

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the, the quality of their, of their voice or whatever it is.
So I've spent too much time on this to be honest.
Too much time I have. Multiple artists where I don't
know if I pick shit from their solo career or from their band
or from their second project or from this where I have like a
couple artists where it's like, well I've picked their solo
shits and I can pick their band.Yeah, I have one of those two

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and that's. A loophole.
I have one. I already picked my absolute all
time favorite. Like I have a favorite singer
and I've already picked one of their songs.
I'm checking Diane. It's obviously John Milkin.
No, it's not John Milkin. OK.
But so now I'm like, do I not pick it cuz you'll bust my chops
I. Can't wait to hear what it.
Is song. Yeah.
We'll see if I pick it or not. I might not pick it.

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So the reason this theme came uprecently my boss sent me a cover
song and said I know you hate this original band but can you
hate this too? And I I can't because he knows
how much I enjoy that singer. So is it you, 21 of you guys
don't pick that band? Is it you 2?
Because I hate that fucking band.

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No, no, you. Don't hate it.
I hate Bono too. Oh no I don't hate you 2.
I really dislike you 2. But Sunday Bloody Sunday is a
great fucking song. Agreed.
Steve first, second or third? 3rd.
I'll go in third. Let me read these.
Falls on Steve, yeah. Let me that I'm not worried if

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you guys pick something I can just cross it off and go with
something else. Wait, is the two time speed
thing ready yet? No, sorry, I keep forgetting the
fuck. Rod.
Sorry you. Know what I know?
You're probably busy. You know what I could do?
I am busy. You're a busy guy with a lot on
your plate and I appreciate all the and I appreciate all the
work you put in. Did you see I'm I'm making like

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apparel for Lance gums and stuffthese days?
Did you see? Me post that.
Oh wait, yeah, I did see that. That Graham Graham dude.
I'm busy, man. The chill.
Do you think Lance Gums listens?I have no idea I.
Don't think he does. I'll tell you what, I'm going to
read these now. It's going to be normal time for
you, but I will speed it up on the episode.
How about that? Yeah, OK.
Will you have a chipmunk voice? Will you have?

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Absolutely. I'll have a chipmunk voice.
Absolutely. I hope you have a screaming frog
voice. All right, you got to open with
a killer track. Each song should flow smoothly
into the next. The mix tape should have a good
balance of genres, tempos, and moods.
The mix tape should tell a storyor convey a specific emotion.
It can't be too obvious. It can't be too obscure either.
You can't double up on songs by the same artist, and a closing
track should leave a lasting impression.
Those are the guidelines. And I go first this episode, I'm

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going to kick it off with a singer who's been on the pod
three Times Now. But not not the artist.
The artist is not but the. Singer has I love where you're
going and. I'm going first because I think
there's a chance that Don, you picked this.
Steve, I don't know your musicaltaste enough to know I'm going
with the District. Sleeps alone tonight by Postal

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Service. I just love Ben Gibbard's voice.

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I love the way he sings behind the beat so much to convey that
like sadness in all of his songs.
He doesn't have the best voice, he's not like a belter of a
singer, but he he just cuts right down to my fucking soul,
dude every time that he. Can belt a little bit.
I, I just, I just love it. We've had Death Cab on here
multiple times. We've never had Postal Service.

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So I'm starts to get them on thepod.
Good job. And I think this song it's,
it's, it doesn't highlight his vocals as much as others, but it
highlights that like very melancholy thing he does when he
sings a lot. So that's why I went with this
song. Good song too.
Yeah. What year did this album come
out? It's off that big one, right?

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Sorry. I'm writing.
Yeah, I know. Is it their only album?
Yeah. Do they only have one album?
They might have like a live thing, but.
Steve, this, yeah, 2003, this might have been something that
you brought to the offering whenwe were Let's starting Listen
music together. Yeah, we definitely listen to
this a lot. Yeah, a lot of sad sappy bastard
bullshit at the time. Sad bastard music, yeah.
I don't think anybody had a context for how influential this

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album would be too. Like if you think about it, that
whole like mixing electronic with indie with emo or whatever
you want to call it is, there's not a lot of it.
But it became a thing, you know,that genre building, genre
mashing stuff. And like, at the time it was
kind of like he did what with who?
And then it was incredible. Have you heard the cover of
Against All Odds? I think it was originally on

(26:08):
like either. I think it was originally on the
Wicker Park soundtrack, which we've talked about that movie in
the past. Great fucking song.
They haven't shut down doing a new album like I think I've
heard Ben say, like he would be down to do it.
It's just about like finding thetime to do it and having the
songs or whatever. But you mean it's?
Only been 20. Two years, yeah.

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Yeah, You know, no big deal. I mean, they've been doing those
tours again though. Just got the time in 20.
Two years, man. Busy guys.
It's like Roderick. Very busy guy.
They've been doing those tours with Death Cab though, which is
cool. Like the Death Cab Postal
Service Co headlining thing. Yeah, Yep.
So that's the first pick, kicking it off.
Postal Service. Ben Gibbard, great vocalist.

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Yeah, great call. All right, my call, my choice.
Yeah. What are you guys?
What are you guys? Thoughts on bands that have
vocalists that leave bands and then they keep trying to go with
a new vocalist. Very Steel Dragon style.
It can be done really well and it can be done really poorly.
Do you have an example of it being done well?

(27:11):
Further Seems Forever. I'm not super into them, but
they stayed popular even though they've had three or four
different singers. So also not a band that I would
ever pick for this, but Zeo's first two albums were.
I don't even know who it was, but the guy who joined later is
a much better singer. So, OK, so.
There's not a lot of examples that popped to mind, no.

(27:33):
I mean, Van Hagar right now is agreat song, but you know, David
Lee Roth was fucking awesome. ACDC sucks 100% of the time.
I don't give a shit who's saying.
Yeah, they didn't change. It didn't change their sound if
you're an ACDC. Fan, I hope they still love what
they're doing. I hope they're still having a
great time. The band I'm picking is the
Detroit Cobras, and the song I'mpicking is He Did It.

(27:55):
Let me tell you now, I don't understand.
I don't understand. And they had a female vocalist

(28:15):
who was on the first quite a fewalbums.
She was Rachel Nagy. That was on the first few albums
she passed. And they're still like, putting
out new music with a male vocalist now, but still under
the Detroit Cobras. And it doesn't sound like them.
Like they've started to release a couple of songs, Like, no,

(28:37):
they put out like an EP with four songs.
That isn't her. And she passed away.
But like, I don't know, like, doyou like if the band is still
the band? I guess you're still the Detroit
Cobras. Yeah, I don't think I've heard
anything with the new singer. Are they?
Is it even the new guy on Spotify?
Is it weird? I don't even think I want to

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hear that band with somebody else singing and.
Like it's crazy because it sounds like them, like the music
sounds like the Detroit Cobras, but I don't know.
It's not the same band. It's.
But that that's such a swing. I actually don't like that.
Like why would they change? Change the band name and just be
do what you do under because that's her.
Her voice is so centric to theirsound.

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Her voice is so fucking good. And also switching from female
to male is a a a weird decision to keep the same band name.
It's a big swing. It's a big swing in your sound
and your and your vibe and your,your everything.
Your performance probably. Especially if you're doing that
like clean singing. There was a hardcore band that

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did it where the guy left a female replaced him, but the
scream was so close that you couldn't tell the difference.
But something like Detroit Cobras is such a drastic change.
What about? Are you talking about Linkin
Park, Steve? Is that what you're talking
about? No, there's a.
Are you talking about the new dude?
Have you heard it's Speaking of Speaking of common?
Linkin Park, though, they did that, didn't they?

(30:02):
I guess yeah, they. Did they have a female vocalist
and they're still trying really hard?
Really. Yeah.
Oh, you know what we missed in weather news, Rod?
Did you see the footage of the fucking Bance concert at Soldier
Field during that storm? No, Bance is in town right now
playing Soldier Field. Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Today's the last day. Why?
Why are you saying it that way? It's a it's a I'll fire out the

(30:26):
story of why I'm calling her Bance as quick as I can in a
second. But there was tornado warnings
in the middle of her like in themiddle of the concert.
So you just see people scrambling and it's at Soldier
Field, outdoor stadium, outdoor everything trying to like
scramble to a place of safety. But then and she went and
continued to play and crushed it.
OK, so Zach Braff and Donald Faison did a podcast called Fake

(30:49):
Doctors, Real Friends, a rewatchof Scrubs.
And Zach Braff tells a story about his dad watching Beyoncé
and his dad goes that Beyoncé, she's a real, she's a real
treasure. And so ever since the Zach Braff
impression of his dad calling Beyoncé Beyoncé, it's the
funniest shit I've ever heard. So I can't get out of my head to

(31:11):
call her Beyoncé. That's fantastic.
All right, but back to the Detroit Cobras.
He did it is the song she crushes.
She's fantastic. Such a cool retro style vocal.
And I mean, it was like the 80s.It was crazier that this band
didn't get, I'm sorry, 90s. It's crazier that this band
didn't get bigger at the time when they were starting to grain
traction 98 and then 2003, they had like a big hiatus between

(31:35):
albums and maybe that was the issue.
But this band should have been enormous and just didn't like
The Strokes, The White Stripes, like that whole clique.
This band should have pioneered that genre but didn't.
And it it doesn't make any sensethat it they didn't.
Just popped in my head but no doubt used to have him a dude
singer. Before, wasn't it her brother?

(31:57):
No, he was in the band. But no, it was a different guy
who passed away also. And then Gwen took over on
vocals, but I guess they weren'tthat worked when that happened.
Yeah. So, yeah.
All right, I guess. That's my first choice to drink
overs. They're fucking awesome.
Good choice. This might have been an
honorable mention on a past pod.Yeah, you talked about her and
her passing away and getting replaced before, but.

(32:18):
Roderick. Nope.
Or Nope, Nope, Steve. So this one Donnie will take you
back on a little a little memorylane music drive.
There used to be a really amazing record store by you.
And I used to drive super farcs where I lived at the time.
Threshold to threshold. Yeah.
And I went in and I don't know if you remember Phil, Phil was
like the best dude to work at a record store ever.

(32:40):
So the shorter guy, big beard, worked there forever.
And I would always go buy some obscure hardcore shit when I
went. And I remember Phil saying like,
you should really buy this record.
And at that time, like, right, Spotify and those things weren't
around. So you just start the dude.
Physical medium, yeah, that was it.
And so I bought the record, and I thought I was having a fever
dream trying to remember this. And I messaged Phil and said,

(33:03):
did this artist actually play atThreshold?
And he said no, Yeah, that happened.
You're not crazy. You were here for it.
So I'm going to go with William Elliott Whitmore.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, but the first
time I put on that first album came out in 2003 called Dashes
to Dust. Blown away by this guy's voice
and then when going back to the store a couple days later to see

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him play. Not what I expect that dude to
look like at all for a voice that sounds like that.
So the song I'm going to pick isn't on that first record, but
Hell or High Water by William Elliott Whitmore.
Will it might just be what saveson my eyes.
And I hope I will see you soon and I'll be home.

(33:50):
Come here. Oh, hi Walter.
And I know I will see you soon. He's just, you know, I think
when I was building this list, Irealized that guys that sound
like they chew cigarettes and were bottle fed on whiskey is
kind of my my go to singer-songwriter voice.
So that's that's my first pick. Have you ever seen him, Don?

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I haven't seen him, no, because it's pretty good on monthly
listeners. He's crushing.
Yeah #2 City of Chicago. Is he still putting out new
music, Steve? He is.
He's actually from Iowa though. That's why Chicago's such AI
think. Probably a high listener count
for him. I think the newest record, the
one in 2004 is just a remaster. 2024 that's.

(34:38):
Cool. Well shit.
I'm excited to dip in my toe into this pool.
He's part of this. Like I've seen him and I've I
listened to this as part of thatlike greater Murder by Death
universe. Like those types of bands would
collect each other around the country and like tour with each
other a lot. So like the newer 1 is Amigo the
Devil. But like J Roddy Walston and

(35:00):
William Elliott Whitmore. I think William Elliott Whitmore
and Murder by Death did a split at one point.
They. Definitely toured together at
some point too. Yeah, so they're doing because
Don and I are going to go see MBD on this, their farewell
tour, and Laura Jane Grace is opening those shows.
But on certain shows across the country, the like, there's a
bunch of other bands opening andit seems like a history of their

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touring. So will William Elliott Whitmore
is doing like five of those dates with him as well.
Not around here, but it's been ayear since I've seen him.
Great choice. It's not just the smokiness
either. Like, it's a powerful, he's a
powerful singer. Like he can belt, belt it.
And like, it's the goose bumpy thing.
Like it's the hair standing up on the back of your neck.

(35:41):
Amazing songwriter like some of the lyrics have some Kleenex
ready. If you listen to Porch Light
because it is a, it's a tearjerker.
That one will get it out of you,huh?
Yeah. Good one.
I love that. Great call.
I'm excited to listen to this. It's crazy.
You bring up Amigo the Devil. He's playing Milwaukee Metal
Fest. I don't know how that's going to
last. That's odd.
And like, I don't know that theyreleased the what the fuck is it

(36:03):
called when you say what time you're playing?
Oh, the schedule. Schedule.
Yeah, released the schedule yet,but like I can't as I'm looking
at the lineup for Milwaukee Metal Fest.
I have no idea where he would land that would make sense.
And like even the headliners of Milwaukee Metal Fest this year
aren't that awesome. It's it's Guare, which, you
know, it's not really Guare anymore.
It's down. Guare down.

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And somebody else, I can't remember who else.
But it got weird, so Jamie from Heybrick took over like that
whole thing and it's weird. One time at a time, Rodrick.
It's over. To you, Don, did I send you the
GWAR mobile photo the other weekwhen I was at the golf cart?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway.
If you send me a picture of it, I'll put on the Instagram.

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That's the kind of yeah, bullshit.
That's the kind of shit you see around Richmond.
You just see GWAR shit random. Oh, you went to that porch show?
Yeah. Porchella.
Yeah. How was it?
It's cool. Yeah.
Everything good. It was fun.
Yeah. There's, I don't remember their
names, but yeah, there's, there was this one band that was a
bunch of like, dudes of our generation just playing like
punk, like loud punk rock on a porch.

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And it was actually dope. They were really good.
That's right. Hell yeah.
A bunch of like, you know? They're not doing that for
anybody. Themselves.
No, they're yeah, they're they're doing it.
They were. They were good, though.
That's cool. All right, so this band not a
lot of plays on Spotify might seem kind of obscure, but to to.
Jason. Well, kind of.
But here's the difference. This isn't a one hit wonder

(37:29):
episode. So there's a difference there
because they weren't obscure at the time.
They were pretty big, but they didn't hit the Spotify
generation, so they're not goingto have a lot of plays.
And so that's where I do agree with Jason on that stuff.
The difference is. I think this is wrong.
This is the wrong. The difference is, well, how is
it wrong? Wrong for what?
She's one of my favorite vocalists, so I'm going to.
No, it's wrong that the Spotify generation is a thing.

(37:52):
It's not wrong, it's totally true.
Like we've talked about this, some of the biggest fans in the
world don't have a lot of plays on on streaming like the, you
know what I mean? Like The Beatles and The Rolling
Stones are not beating these other bands because people who
listen to those regularly are listening to their old CDs and
records and stuff still. All right, let's give this a
shot. Let's see where we're going.
Anyway, actually a Richmond band.

(38:13):
I didn't know this when I started listening to them
though. I got really into this band in
college. The band's called Denali and the
song is called Lose Me. This sounds familiar.

(38:44):
Denali is the dude from Engine Down who was like a pretty big
emo band during that that craze.This band was started by his
sister and he was in the band for a bit too.
Her name's Maura Davis. It's like Portishead meets emo
like it's and I absolutely love it.
And she went on to be in some other bands that also didn't get

(39:06):
very big. This band Ambulette which put
out one album that's good and this band gloss with the dude
from Heavens which is like Matt Skiba side project.
Oh yeah, I remember. Heavens, she was.
She was. In a band.
That was in. Heavens, yeah.
And the guitar player for guitarplayer for Sparta, who I think
was an engine down actually, actually it might be her

(39:27):
brother. I don't know.
There's a we, there's a they were like in that scene.
So there's like a huge web of like influence and stuff.
So that's what I'm saying Like they they were on Jade Tree,
they had their thing going, but.The album Her voice from The
Instinct looks really familiar. That album cover looks familiar.
That was I think that was their bigger record.
Lose Lose Me is not on the Instinct.
I think the Instinct's their better record, but Lose Me

(39:51):
illustrates her vocals the best I think, especially when you get
to the chorus. Just hauntingly beautiful voice.
A little cleaner I think than like the Porta said sound.
I wouldn't call this being trip hop.
Don't make Donnie feel like his clothes are on backwards.
It's it's gonna make Donnie feelfeel that way for sure.
Speaking of with Beth Gibbons, just put on a tiny desk.

(40:14):
I saw that and she's like staring.
You can see her anxiety the whole time like.
She's just like the whole time, terrified.
It's it's kind of uncomfortable to watch because she's just so
uncomfortable. Yeah, but like, listen to Lose
Me around like 120 mark, like when that chorus kicks in and
it's just like it gives me chills when I listen to the song
still. Like I just listened to a clip

(40:34):
and I have goosebumps right now.Like this.
That's what her voice does to me.
And I've she's been toward the top, if not, you know, at the
top of my list of favorite vocalists for 20 years now.
So they had to be on here even though Don they only have 3000
monthly listeners. Yeah, if you want, I'll e-mail
all 51 of them in Chicago and see if you guys want to hang out

(40:56):
together. I appreciate she she's she lives
in Chicago, I think by the way, or she did when Denali was was a
band. I think the rest of the band was
from Richmond, but she was in. I actually met their guitar
player at the slow dive show here a few months ago.
Like a buddy of mine knew him and he was like, hey, he was in
this band called Denali. And I was like, hold on a
second. I absolutely love Denali.

(41:18):
Another another band that Zach Canali introduced me to in
college. So shout out, shout out Zach.
But, but if, if people like Porta said and and that kind of
thing, I think they'll like this.
But if they also like low or anyof that, like really slow 2000s
emo stuff that borderline is borderline, like slow core indie

(41:39):
stuff, I think you would all like this band a lot.
Check out the Really. All right, cool.
I think I'm more familiar with the work from the The Gloss
album That Harmonium. Yeah, great album, even smaller

(42:04):
than Denali, like even less likeplays and stuff.
But that gloss, they put 2 records out I think really good.
Also Engine Down, like under they kind of were a emo band
that was kind of big and they kind of, they haven't really
ridden the wave of like emo resurgence.
Like nobody talks about Engine Down anymore, but I remember
knowing about Engine Down in high school.

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Glos has 151 monthly listeners. Oh, good.
Yeah, Let me move that to the top of the playlist.
All right, so I can remember thespecific moment that I heard
this artist for the first time. And I remember I heard them
seeing a tube television play a music video of this song.

(42:58):
Steve, what was the name of the record store that was next to
the Metro? Clubhouse.
OK, walking in the clubhouse, not cool enough to be in there.
And Outlaw Heart by Tiger Army was playing on the television.

(43:30):
Where Nick 13 is just walking around in like salvage denim in
a white T-shirt, looking cooler than anybody I'd ever seen.
And that was when I first started listening to Tiger Army
was off of that. Like, I heard I saw that video
playing in the clubhouse. And then I bought that album.
And then I was like, OK, I like Tiger Army now and then you know

(43:52):
what you're getting with every Tiger Army album?
They're fucking awesome every time, you know?
And then you got Nick 13 solo shit, which I've had that on a
mixtape in the past. So I can have, I can do 2 and
not have the same artist twice. But because of like I'm just
blown away at the dude that can crush good psycho Billy vocals

(44:13):
but then can also do what he does in his solo project.
So fucking romantic what a hunk.Like just fucking beautiful

(44:35):
vocalist. So bro do you listen to much?
Do you listen to any Psycho Billy, or do you listen to any?
I don't I don't really actively listen to it now we've I think
we've talked about this before. I think it actually might have
gotten cut out of an episode though, but I did that makes.
Sense I don't blame you. I did like there was a time like
especially Tiger Army actually, like I I'm a huge living in fan

(44:56):
and I wouldn't consider them psycho Billy, but it's like
adjacent to that and I'm a massive living in fan who they
actually just put out a new single.
But I would say probably Tiger army's would is probably my the
band in that genre that I've listened to the most for sure.
I went through a phase where I very much enjoyed Tiger Army
around like ghost Tiger's rise, like O2O3, power of moonlight,

(45:18):
like their second their I don't.Is this off their first one?
I actually, oddly enough, don't think I've ever heard this
record. Off the first album.
I don't, I don't think I've everheard this, you know?
It's the best one in my opinion.I mean, they're all fucking
great, but this is like, we're going to fucking show you
exactly who we are right out thegate.
Yeah. And in 1999, they were fucking

(45:38):
doing it, you know, And I think they were originally on Epitaph
and then they started Hellcat. Is that what happened or did
they start Hellcat? Or they were the first ban on
Hellcat maybe. Or yeah, OK, I'm not sure we're
on. Epitaph originally and then
moved to Hellcat. Hellcat's a subsidy, are they?
Aren't they affiliated with Epitaph?
Probably. I don't know.
I don't want to get into label talk but I think I discovered

(46:00):
Tiger Army through AFI because they used to tour together.
Makes sense and. I think Nick 13 and Davey Havoc
were were buds or something. There was a rumor they were like
a couple but I don't know if that was ever true.
What a beautiful fucking couple.Talk about a couple of gorgeous
dudes. But yeah, like, I mean, just a
great fucking vocalist. 100% of that.

(46:22):
They don't. I don't think they tour anymore,
but I would love to go see TigerArmy.
Like what a great band to see live.
Five, I was gonna say Hellcat was a division of Epitaph
started by Tim Armstrong, which that does make sense.
OK, that does. Make sense?
Yeah, but like I think the TigerArmy is one of those bands where
Nick 13 is Tiger Army and then they just rotate whoever they
need to in the background. So you know what you're going to

(46:43):
get every time because he's writing the songs, he's the
singer of the band. Like it's kind of the anti
Detroit Cobras where you're getting you're getting Nick 13
regardless of who's who's along with them, right.
But man, like, I'm fuck, I'm going to make it if they go on
tour, I'm going to make it a point to try and go see Tiger.
I mean, I wish they would tour. I feel like 2 and three were
played so much when we worked together.

(47:03):
Oh, we played 2A. Lot and you like air basing it
on the counter, maybe a. Lot of times.
Would you consider Reverend Horton Heat Psycho Billy or just
like rockabilly? Rock.
I know he has a song called Psycho Billy Freak out, but that
doesn't mean he's Psycho Billy. Rockabilly with some adjacency,
maybe because I. Do like I do like Reverend

(47:24):
Horton Heat quite a. Bit he's on yeah, I literally
he's playing Chicago in October.But I Steve, I can't believe I
didn't see what that Fitzgerald show at the Reverend Horton Heat
show at Fitzgerald or Hawk levelCow town at Fitzgerald's.
That one I can't believe I didn't go to, but I believe that
you weren't that one when you said you went.
I was like. I can't believe you weren't
either of those, and I also can't believe that did you go to

(47:44):
Nick 13 when he was? I'm sorry, did you go to Nick
Cave when he was just in town? Absolutely.
Which day? Monday.
I was there. I didn't see you.
I was in it for your big ball head.
Yeah, yeah. OK, cool.
Not sad. Nick Cave is so amazing to see
live 0. Man, he's quite the quite the
performer. Those backup those like how he
gets those singers to be a part of like him with all of his

(48:07):
vulgarity is always the craziestthing to do.
Feels really good, but yeah, that's my second pick.
Tiger Nick, 13, crushing it. Steve, over to you all.
Right, another artist that's going to make Donnie feel like
his clothes are on backwards. My favorite?
Good. So probably the lowest listens.
Sorry Donnie, she's only at 19.7000 monthly listeners.

(48:30):
That's. Fine, she.
Released an EP in 2019. It was only three songs, but
those 3 songs, I don't know if you guys know what Roadburn is.
It's like the craziest big metalfest outside of Amsterdam.
And based on those 3 songs, theyasked her to do a headlining set
and she's like, I don't have a record.
And they said, well you got to play an hour.
So she wrote a record, played Roadburn, toured with Sisters of

(48:51):
Mercy, toured with Cult of Luna.Her name's a A Williams from
London. Weirdly, she just played Chicago
beginning of the year and there were like 30 of us there, which
is weird because the last U.S. tour for Sleep Token, she was
the opener. So I thought she would have
blown up. She didn't at all.
During COVID she released a really amazing, amazing album

(49:12):
called Songs From Isolation where she just does covers,
crazy covers. They're so good.
The song is Evaporate. Off of I think it's as the moon

(49:42):
rests, but she just has this like hauntingly beautiful voice
and it's it's weird because it'sdefinitely not metal, but it's
also not not metal. It's such a weird such a weird
genre, but she has this really beautiful voice.
She was classically trained as acellist and a a piano player and
then wound up picking up guitar and writing absolutely just

(50:04):
beautiful music. The reason I picked evaporate.
There's like a, I don't want to say a breakdown because it's not
like a traditional, but the the music stops and it gets really
quiet around the three minute mark in that song.
And she does this dude it's justtragically sad line where she
just repeats harm myself is all I do myself.

(50:28):
Is all I do. And it's, and it gets really
heavy again after that, but it's, it's just a beautiful
song. But if you think Portishead
makes you feel uncomfortable, you'll probably feel like this
is right up. She's she's given really young
Marianne Faithful vibes. Yeah.

(50:50):
I totally see that. Creepy Marianne faithful like
before she started fucking around with Metallica, but like
like, you know, like she's givenpre Marianne faithful vibes of
like haunting female vocalists, not screaming metal female
vocalists. And it's cool to to see this
other side because like there's that sub metal genre of like
beautiful female operatic vocalists, but like hardcore

(51:13):
metal bands like Within Temptation is who's pumped up in
the mind who are fucking terrible, but they're having a
good time doing it. You know, they're enjoying
themselves and people do like them.
But like it's cool to see like aspookier.
Like you're absolutely right. It's definitely very T-shirt
backwardsy, but it's cool to seea like a more haunting female

(51:34):
vocalist versus like kind of exploiting the beautiful opera
female vocalist. I know how you feel about the
Deftones. Her cover of Be Quiet and Drive
is absolutely amazing. That covers record is crazy.
There's The Cure, Pixies, even Gordon Lightfoot she covers on
there. What's the name of the covers
album? Songs from Isolation and then

(51:56):
she covers that band that I'll talk about later that I'm not
going to talk shit about until Isee if it's on one of you guys
lists and then. Well, I hope I don't steal a
thin ball, though I maybe not but there's AI mean there's a
pumpkins cover on here which makes me happy there's.
Damn yeah. Wait, did this cover creep gain
some traction? So during COVID, all of these

(52:18):
kind of like that's where she really like started to pick up
steam is because she was releasing them to YouTube.
So she was. That's where the Pixies 1 is the
one that blew up the biggest. This okay this be quiet and
drive cover sounds like it should be on Twin Peaks for
sure. That's what it feels like.
It's cool. I'm not running to listen to it,
but it's cool. It's too sunny and warm out to

(52:40):
listen to this. Over to you, Roderick, for your
third. Pick All right, So I've saved
some of my different ones. So I've got out of the way maybe
some more traditional vocals, but I'm with Steve and that I am
drawn to singers who sing like they just swallowed a glass of
dirt and rocks for some reason. And sometimes they get that
because they're pushing so hard and that's a great sound too.

(53:02):
But then some people's voices, they just that's what they are.
They are just crackle and maybe nobody to the extent of Jason
Shevchuk and the band I'm going with is None More Black and the
song is under my feet. Say his name again.

(53:43):
Well, his the singers name is Jason Shevchuk.
He was in, he was in Kid Dynamite.
That was his first big band. So it's from that like East
Coast hardcore thing, the like lifetime lineage.
He was in that band when he was like 19 years old.
And if you listen to Kid Dynamite, you're like this dude
sounds like he's been smoking for 30 years, but he hasn't
because he was like a kid. Then he started None more black

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a while after Kid Dynamite brokeup.
And if you guys Don, if you haven't heard None more black, I
don't know how because it's right up your alley, dude.
It's this like mixture of punk for sure, hardcore, just
straight up rock, maybe even a little tinge of that like
country rockabilly thing in there like later albums.
But his vocal is, he could, he'smelodic.
You can still hear the notes that he's singing, but barely

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because there is so much gravel in his voice.
And I absolutely love it. Like I live for that dude under
my feet. The one I'm going with Like it's
off their second record. Their first records the best in
my opinion. The file under black, which also
the band name and the first album title are both Spinal Tap.
References. Yeah.
The name of the band No. No, no, the the band name and

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the album title, all the song titles are Seinfeld references.
But he's actually really great lyricist too.
Like the lyrics on on these records are great.
The song structure is great. He he takes some of that East
Coast hardcore structure where sometimes he'll go like verse,
chorus, verse, chorus and then you'll have a minute of almost
like a different song at the endand then the song ends, which is
a very East Coast hardcore thing.

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But Kid Dynamite is great too. I just love the suits vocals and
none more black men get get intothem.
Like I thought they were going to kind of blow up.

(55:33):
They were like a fat wreck band.I thought they were going to get
big and then they just didn't. Maybe people don't like that
voice as much as I do. I feel like that.
Musically, musically, they soundreally menzingers Y.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Lifetime with less happy, clean vocals.
Yeah, it's, it's good shit. It's good shit.

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I don't know how this one escaped me, but I'm excited to
listen to this. This sounds awesome.
Very, very awesome and everybodyshould check them out.
And I don't know how obscure that one is, but he's been one
of my favorite vocalists for a long time. 14,000 Monthly
listeners 300 Biggest city Chicago.
Obviously we do a good job of music.
But also if you're on the East Coast, like you know of Jason or

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his bands, because Kid Dynamite was very influential band, they
might not have ever gotten crazybig.
They're one of those like biggerafter they broke up kind of
bands, you know, and bands like Saves the Day or like like in
the lifetime in Kid Dynamite andstuff like that.
But. Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, good, good stuff. Should we keep the gravely
train? Rolling.
Yeah. Hell yeah.
Let's keep the gravely train rolling.

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I've had Chuck Reagan on going outside, but I've never had Hot
Water Music on, and Hot Water Music is fuck again.
Another like, I guess I'm reallycheating with bands and
vocalists, bands and solo artists.
Am I fucking cheating? If you pick one of Chuck's songs
or No, no, they're good, I was gonna cheat.
OK, it's. Covered Hot Water Music, but Hot

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Water Music's never done his solo stuff live.
Yeah, for sure. So I'm gonna do a, I'm gonna do
a Hot Water Music song and it's a newer one.
I'm gonna do Drag my body. Because it's I think it's a

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best, it's really good Chuck Reagan vocals.
Like it's got like pretty subdued verses and then a really
good sing along chorus, which Chuck Reagan kills a sing along
chorus. And I could have done trusted
chords just because that's like,you know, right in the that's
right in the old catcher's Mitt for hot water.
But basically, they've done a good job of evolving what?

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I have hot water Chuck Reagan like split on my notes.
You just nailed both songs I hadwritten down.
Oh nice. OK, cool.
I feel good about that. But yeah, Drag My Body I think
is the is the best mature Chuck Regan vocal.
That's a good way to put it. I feel good about that.
I feel like I'm actually, I sound like I know what I'm
talking about. Yeah.
Drag My Body, Hot Water Music, they're a band that like as they

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got older and evolved, like didn't lose sight of who they
were and still continue to put out really good shit.
And I think that they're one of the few that like, again, you
know what you're getting with every Hot Water Music album.
But. And then there's that fucking
bass riff in this song. Rodrick, have you listened to
this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't. Think there's any Hot Water
Music I haven't listened to? Riff thing.
OK, yeah, that fucking bass, that bass riff is so good.
But yeah, I mean, what? What a cool dude.
Is there a cooler dude than Chuck Reagan?
Chuck Reagan when he were you atthe 350 fest lumberjack thing.
That was the year before I went.Dude, he was so awesome to hang

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out with. He was so I mean.
Is he that cool of a dude? He really is.
He's like the coolest dude, likewhen he's not on tour, he's
taking people on like fishing charters.
He does, yeah, fishing. It's so weird, but yeah, if he
follows Instagram, he's like sponsored by waiters company.
So yeah. And fucking Yeti coolers like

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he's just fucking. He's just the coolest dude,
like, and it's fucking an awesome musician.
Like way to be the coolest guy. There's a podcast, it's terrible
podcast name but called Chris Demakes podcast and episode 199
is is Chuck Reagan discussing drag my body.
It's apparently the entire hour and an hour and a 5 minute

(59:41):
episode. Dang there was a rumor give.
Me the podcast name again. Chris demakes like DEMAKES.
Hey, Chris. That's, or at least that's the
YouTube channel, maybe that's a shortened version of the actual
podcast name. I'm not going to click on it
'cause it's going to start playing and I don't want to
listen to it. But we talked about when Hot
Water Music was. They got brought up on the live

(01:00:04):
episode and I talked about this.But they did.
Hot Water has been on another episode.
They've been on a couple. Haven't they?
No, they've. Been on one.
I think we've talked about them on other episodes though.
That makes sense. But they, I brought this up on
that one, but it's relevant to this and I still to this day
cannot find info on this. So maybe it's an untrue rumor,
but there was a really big rumorwhen when I was probably like

(01:00:27):
2004 maybe. I'm trying to think of the album
the new what next? That's one of their records,
right? Yeah.
Yeah. So when that record came out,
there was a huge rumor that he had, like, fucked his voice
before they recorded that recordand had to go to, like, voice
therapy and a vocal coach and stuff to learn how to sing
again. And that's why that record
sounds a little bit different than the old records vocally.

(01:00:50):
I love his vocals on that record.
He's. He's singing a little more and
doing a little less of the, like, shouty punk thing.
I mean, I love his vocals on every record, but I cannot find
anything about that, so it's probably just a rumor that's not
true. Chuck, if you're listening,
which I'm sure you are totally, you can.
Totally, just I'm a, you know, river fishing listener.

(01:01:13):
If you can dispel or confirm that rumor, I'm just curious.
It's, it's not, it's not, it's neither here nor there.
Quite frankly, I'm just, I'm just curious because it was so
prevalent and I'm like, how did I ever hear about that in the
1st place? So.
The other thing I think with HotWater, those first records, like
him and Chris doing vocals back and forth, like we're basically
the same person too. Like Chris later became a much

(01:01:33):
different singer. But those are early records
where they were like balancing out choruses together.
Like I struggled for a long timeto figure out who the hell was
actually singing. You know who else has a voice
like this that I've always appreciated and people don't
talk about because their bands weren't as the dude that this?
I don't know his name, but he was the singer for One Man Army
and then he was also one of the singers for Dead to Me.
He was though, Dead to Me singerwith a more gravelly voice.

(01:01:55):
I fucking love his voice too. Very Chuck Ragani to me, Jason,
Chef Chucky, just getting into all the punk bands, all the
fucking like Epitaph, Fat Rat, Fat Wreck bands.
But it's true. All right, Steve.

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Down to 2. Third choice.
Is it 3? Oh yeah.
Oh shit. I'm going to cross off all of
the Gravely guys because that's that's clearly taking care of
the gravels. Also going to take off the Punk
1. So I'm going to go for some
weird left field shit that Donnie's probably going to be
shocked that I listen to. And I wish I had more

(01:02:36):
information about this person, but I think that's their whole
thing is that they don't releaseinformation about who they are.
Way more monthly listens than most stuff on this list.
For me, it's 2.2 million listeners.
I'm going to go with Pale J. I'm going to do the song In Your
Corner. None.

(01:03:09):
I don't know if you guys are familiar with this guy.
Super weird falsetto, but like it's just so happy, especially
in like the springtime that likeI feel like I can put this on at
any point and just get through my day.
If you don't know, some weird Canadian guy was definitely in
other bands because he talked about how he hated touring and
he doesn't want to do it anymore, which is weird because

(01:03:30):
he just started playing shows for the first time.
Always wears a red ski mask, always.
No pictures of him without the ski mask at all, even in
interviews. Weird kind of R&B soul, super
kind of high falsetto voice, butit's just such good mood music
that I can listen to it almost anytime.

(01:03:50):
Here's the here's the bio on Spotify.
The mask is red, the songs are blue.
You don't know Pale J, but Pale J loves you.
That's it. That's the whole bio.
That's really good. I do know Pale J Steve and I
don't know how. I think the algorithm just
kicked him out once. I was probably listening to some
like Soul or Duran Jones or something like that, and he came
up and obviously it's very striking when you see the photo

(01:04:14):
because he's just got that red ski mask on.
So I've listened to a little bitfor sure.
I'm excited to listen to more now because this is fantastic.
But nobody knows who pal J is. Nobody knows who pal J is.
Yeah. So if you you kind of put the
interviews and notes together, he was definitely in a fairly
popular band that toured becausehe talks about how much he
didn't like touring, He didn't like Load Insurance and Stadium.

(01:04:35):
So I'm assuming it's a fairly big band.
The writer, he was a roadie, andhe said he would never do shows
as Pale J And recently he was offered maybe the craziest first
show I've ever heard of. His first show as Pale J is the
Sydney Opera House. Whoa.
That's cool. So then he said, you know,
listen, I'm going to tour, but Idon't enjoy like I don't mind

(01:04:57):
playing music, but it's everything else.
Like the crowds freak me out, meeting people freaks me out,
the merch booth freaks me out. So he said he's going to do more
shows. I think he's doing 3 in
Australia, but we'll see if he comes to the States.
But he's definitely, we know he's Canadian, we know he's been
a music producer and that's about it.
He's kept everything under wraps.
Isn't he feeling very bucket heady?

(01:05:19):
Yeah, it is. Isn't that a little bucket,
Eddie? Isn't that why Orville Peck
wears the mat? Like he didn't want people to
know who he was too. Like he wanted a level of
anonymity. He didn't.
He wanted to have a because I think he had been in stuff
before too. And he, he was like, I want to
just make my music and not have to worry about that being who I
am, my personal life too and stuff.

(01:05:40):
So I, I think I get it. I think there's probably a level
of anxiety or a level of like, Iwant to be a person and a
musician and keep those things separate that maybe people
didn't think they could do back in the day because nobody until
somebody thought of putting a mask on for the first time,
they're performing. But man, we're kind of living in
the golden age of of artists whocover their faces.

(01:06:02):
You got your sleep tokens, you got your ghosts, you got your
marvel pecs, you got your pale Jays, you got your sounds of
animals fighting. I probably more, probably a lot
more. That's.
A lot of artists. You named so many and.
I'm probably missing. I'm probably missing some too,
like I. Mean Donnie's one of mask
intruder. That's intruder.
The. Locust.

(01:06:23):
Do we need to make a mixtape of artists that don't?
Sounds like we might. Sounds like we might have to.
Reveal their, don't reveal theiridentity, you guys.
Have to wear masks for that, Dave I'll.
Wear masks for sure 100% mask. Now this is a really good pick,
Steve and I'm I'm glad to get some.
This is starting to lean a little like beautiful punk,
punk, indie emo heavy, which I'mactually stoked on because
underappreciated for its musicianship those genres.

(01:06:46):
But this is This is awesome. I'm definitely going to listen
to more Pale J for sure. It was great.
It's Rodrick. Oh shit, it is over to me and.
It's your 4th one. It's.
My 4th 1 SO oh shit. Well, I haven't picked my all
time favorite singer and. I.
I picked her on another pod and so now I'm wondering if I bring
somebody else in to the to the to the list it's.

(01:07:12):
It's a female and it's Rod's alltime favorite singer.
It's a woman and and you know what?
I'm not going to pick her. I'll I'll talk about her, but I
I want to bring somebody new into a mixtape.
So I'm actually going to go witha strud Gilberto.
And the song is Corcovado. Quiet nights of quiet stars,

(01:07:34):
quiet chords from my guitar floating on the silence that
surrounds us. Quiet thoughts and quiet dreams.
You guys have heard her before because you've heard the most
popular version of the girl fromIpanema, which she's the singer

(01:07:55):
on that, but this is one of her other songs.
The song is beautiful. She is part of the Gilberto.
I'm saying that wrong Gilberto family who were a bunch of
pretty famous musicians. I actually don't know all the
relationships between all of them.
Zhao was a guitar player and whodid a bunch of stuff with Stan

(01:08:15):
Getz, like a really famous sambarecord and like bossa Nova
record like the he he's the one that it's the girl from Ipanema
is his favorite or his big song.But.
What song are you going with? It's it's, I'm going to probably
pronounce it wrong, but it's Corcovado, Cork of Corcovado.
Yeah, OK. I think that that translates to

(01:08:37):
quiet nights of quiet. Stars.
There's no way that was single word translates to that, but
yes, it does say in parentheses.Quiet nights of quiet stars.
OK, yeah, I just assumed that I would, you know?
Beautiful song, like incredible voice.
She's got this like and I'm suresome of it's the way these songs
are recorded. I understand that.
But like you can hear every sound.

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It's not just the voice that's coming out.
You can hear the way her like mouth is shaped and like her
lips. You can even hear you can hear
every little breath and you can hear like not to be gross.
We can even hear like the kind of spit in her mouth that she's
like making different mouth. Like you can hear every little
detail in this recording and it makes it so intimate sounding.
And then she just has this beautifully soft, like

(01:09:21):
restrained pretty voice. And I put this record on a lot.
The stain gets gel Gilberto record and she sings like 4 or 3
or 4 songs on this album. She has a really famous like
bossa Nova album. You listen to Lisa Ono Roderick.
I've listened. You've brought her up before.
Yeah. And.
Again, bossa Nova vibes, but like an Asian artist and she's

(01:09:43):
got cover albums and stuff like that, but she also has her own
music. Totally like the next generation
of the artist that you picked whose name I don't want to
pronounce wrong. Yeah, a strud, I believe is her
first. Yeah, Gilberto, she was.
She was Yao's wife, by the way. That's.
The family. I was going to ask if she was

(01:10:05):
Jia's wife. I assume that was the case.
Yeah, there's another, there's another Gilberto that's famous
too, and she's either like a sibling or maybe their daughter,
I'm not sure. But like, there's like a whole
family of, you know, Brazilian. Yeah.
Musicians that are. Beautiful.
It's got a beautiful her vocal, like beginning to that song is

(01:10:27):
beautiful. Gets me every time.
Gets me every time. Inspired.
By law free and that that new generation of people trying to
do that. And I do listen to quite a bit
of like Brazilian jazz and like Cuban jazz and these like
Central and South American jazz genres.
I very much enjoy listening to them.
That's what I put on on like a really beautiful day or like

(01:10:48):
especially a beautiful night, windows open in my apartment
kind of a thing. And I don't think I've ever
picked any of this stuff on the pod before, so I wanted to get
it in here. I will say just to bring it full
circle though, Julie London is my favorite singer bar none,
period. I picked.
Of all time. Of all time I picked she has.
I picked Crimea River for the X the X mix tape and so I just

(01:11:12):
don't want to put her on again so soon.
But she is the epitome of cool. Like she's got that like 50s
jazz club voice like out the boxSmokey crony just absolutely
love her voice. It's incredible.
But I bring a different artist in so.

(01:11:33):
Great job. Good job, Roderick.
That's my last. That's my last pick.
Very well, very well thought outfor from you thank.
You I appreciate. Like I feel like you really
covered a lot of genres. You know what's weird and creepy
about this New Dawn? Yeah, Steve is that I don't know
if I can trust. Him today's episode, I don't
know. I trusted he's doing it for this
it. Feels like a great episode,

(01:11:53):
feels like a really heartfelt compliment and now in my mind
I'm like, he's just fucking saying this because he's being
positive guy today. I'm being positive guy today.
We're in positive guy it. Feels disingenuous.
I'm just going to fuck, say. I'm delivering it in a genuine
way. All right.
Last call for me. I've had her as a featuring

(01:12:15):
artist, but I haven't had her asan artist.
But fucking Alicia Keys can do whatever she wants, man.
I will listen to her sing whatever she wants to sing as
strong as she wants to sing it. And if I ain't got you?

(01:12:47):
That is just such a beautiful vocal performance and there
ain't a whole lot that I don't think Alicia Keys could sing
however she wanted to. I like I said I had her with
Usher but she stole the show with the Usher song and she is
just like is this the video thathad Method Man in it?
No idea. No, maybe it was fallen.

(01:13:09):
I don't remember. But yeah, they're in my opinion,
there ain't a whole lot that sheCan't Sing just perfectly.
And like I love that she's kind of like evolved a little bit as
an artist and kind of like does her own thing now.
Like she's not as as mainstream as she once was, but still just
as talented as ever. And I think she belongs on like
a best vocalist mixtape for sure.

(01:13:31):
I'm glad we got like a diva style voice on here because it'd
be kind of wild to have a best vocals.
I mean, I it's favorite, it's favorite.
So it's very personal, but like if it's nice to have a big diva
style voice on here. Yeah, for sure.
I mean in like she's not it is the video with Method Man
fucking I was right. She's she's not AI, don't think

(01:13:52):
she's a diva like does she? Well, I just, I just, I just
mean that in, in the in the way she's like, she has that, that
Whitney Houston, Céline Dion, like she is a that's, I'm not
saying diva in like the sense oflike.
Diva is the persona you're. Not the persona, not the baggage
and the persona, but the the like.
Opera House filling, powerful voice.

(01:14:13):
Yeah, and fuck, man, does she have a fucking powerful voice.
Man, she can sing. So she was she like, I wanted a
female vocalist on mine of somebody that I really enjoy
listening to. And Alicia Keys was it for sure.
She's so fucking good. And Detroit Cobras doesn't
count. It does, but.
Totally different, it's all. Totally different.
Vastly different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:14:36):
Good call out Rod. I'm you know what?
Hey, I appreciate. Hey, Rod, Good burn.
It wasn't a burning, it was a compliment like.
Great job burning me. You were like, I wanted that.
I said I wanted a female vocalist and I already had
picked one. And then you burned me by saying
that because I didn't remember that I had picked one.
Hey Rod, great job burning me bud.
You're welcome. I love you.
You're. A fucking jerk, yeah, but also

(01:14:57):
met the man in the video. He's fucking awesome.
It's a good song choice too. It highlights her, her voice,
really well. Yeah.
That's what a genuine complimentsounds like, Don.
OK, I'll make note of that. Let me write that I might post
it here. OK, got it.
Steve, the final choice to wrap up the mix tape all.

(01:15:18):
Right. I said if it wasn't picked I
would do it so I can say where the theme came from.
It's kind of low hanging fruit. I'm kind of shocked that you
guys, it's female artist. You want to take stabs at who
this is? Oh, there's so many.
It could be, could be Whitney Houston.
Celine Céline Dion, My heart will go.
Céline Dion No. That's a great fucking song
though. You look like a Christina

(01:15:38):
Aguilera guy, Steve. No.
Dirty Long world Christina Aguilera dirty with two Rs.
It's Phoebe Bridges. Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, kind of low hanging fruit,but the whole this whole topic
came up and this is where you'regoing to get comments about how
I'm an idiot and I'm an asshole.I recently got sent her cover of

(01:16:02):
fake plastic trees and. If I.
Could take. Who you wanted, if I could be
who you wanted all the time. Because I'm in the minority, I

(01:16:27):
cannot stand Radiohead. I think Thom Yorke sounds like a
Muppet, and I hate his voice. So somebody sent me this and
said, yeah, but can you hate this?
And I can't like that. That song is just her cover of
That is beautiful. Danny, this is what I was
messaging you about. So I didn't pick that song
because it's not technically uploaded or on any streaming

(01:16:49):
services by her, I think. And just like randomly created a
Spotify page and put it up there.
Just so people could have it. Yeah, yeah.
OK. So I went with smoke signals.
Thank. You.

(01:17:22):
Mostly because 1. The lyrical content is great.
I mean, Phoebe Bridgers mentionsMotörhead and The Smiths and
David Bowie and the particular call out for Lemmy.
So that was it. Yeah.
And that's why, you know, a Williams covering Creep, too.
I'd listen to that too, because both of their voices are so
good. It kind of transcends my strong

(01:17:42):
dislike for Radiohead and Thom Yorke, but yeah.
So the song Smoke Signals By by Phoebe Bridgers.
She is she in my opinion is a steady grinder like she has
never really exploded. I mean she's massive don't get
me wrong 11,000,000 monthly listeners on Spotify but like
she has been grinding for a longtime.

(01:18:03):
I feel like she's been trying tolike get that big break for
longer than most Am I crazy am Iwrong?
I. Don't think.
They're, I mean, I think they're, she's huge.
I mean, especially now that you add in boy genius.

(01:18:31):
I mean, collectively those two groups, I mean, I feel like they
play huge shows. Yeah, I just feel like she's
been going at it for a long time.
I feel like, you know, you've heard of Phoebe Bridger's name
in the ethos forever. Her.
First album was 2017 so it's notthat long but but over that
time, like she came out of the gates strong with Stranger in

(01:18:53):
the Alps. Like that put her on the map and
you're right, she hasn't gone away since.
Like she's been been there and and in the the zeitgeist ever
since then as like this kind of new.
Generation. The whole Saturday Night Live
thing really got her more notoriety than it should have
because there were so many people pissed off that she was

(01:19:14):
smashing a guitar and it didn't fit her music style and it she
shouldn't have been doing. It's the most ridiculous shit of
her that she got. Yeah, people are so.
Hard time for that, yeah. People need to chill the fuck
out. Crazy what SNL does to fucking
artists like that because Lana Del Rey was on SNL before her
album came out and it like Scarlet lettered that first

(01:19:36):
album for a long time and like she had to grind quite a bit to
get notoriety back for her doingher shit.
And then at the same time, you got an Ashley Simpson who was
awesome on SNL. She was great.
Yeah, you have 110%. Don's right if if if you're if
you've never seen the Ashley Simpson SNL performance, you
should go watch one of the most classic SNL performances of all

(01:19:58):
time. Dip your toe in that pool.
Yeah, great call. So give it a use.
Give that, give that a whirl. Give that a whirl.
Give that a whirl. Take a shot dip your toe in that
pool. Take a shot.
So you're saying Phoebe bridger's smoke signal is your
song but her. But even though you hate
Radiohead, rightfully so, her cover of fake plastic trees.
Is. Perfect.

(01:20:20):
Is it OK? Yeah, it's funny.
Right after that he said well, OK, but how about this?
And he sent me. She doesn't Metallica cover and
I can't remember what it is but even that's like.
Yeah, it's pretty awesome. We talked to, we talked about
that Metallica cover shit on a recent episode where there's
like that Metallica where a million people cover the Black

(01:20:40):
Album. I'm pretty sure that's it's not
the one that's. From yeah, we're like, there's
different artists doing the samesong a bunch of times on that
covers album, which I keep meaning to go back and listen
to, but I haven't not enough time getting around to it.
She covers. Nothing else matters.
That's awesome, but it's not what you expect at all.

(01:21:01):
Like it's not going to sound like what you expect.
Fuck me, good job, Phoebe Bridgers.
Great choice, good list, honorable mentions.
All. Right.
So I already kind of did one with Julie London.
I talked about her being my favorite.
So there's an I would have gone with.
I'm glad there is you. I think that highlights her
voice really well. If anybody wants to go listen

(01:21:21):
and they like that kind of 50s jazz thing, Prince, I want to be
your lover. I mean, Prince is fantastic.
Did you guys do like the Google list of like top 100 singers of
all time? Just I.
Didn't need to on this one. I do that some episodes I didn't
need to on this one. I had kind of my preferences, so
I just. I have my preferences, but I
just do it to like, see how right or wrong that list is?

(01:21:43):
See how right or wrong Rolling Stone is.
You guys throw out the guess of who number one is.
You guys know, Oh no Rolling Stones top 200 singers of all
time who number 1 is. I keep going back to her.
She's number. 2, great job. OK, She's number two.
Number one's Aretha Franklin. OK, I think that makes sense.
Yeah. And then I had actually a Robin
hang with me. She's so good.

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I think when you when you get tothat like dance pop thing, I
think she might have the my favorite voice and all like pop
music like it's she stands out from the pack to me with the way
her her vocals are. And then lastly, last but not
least, I and I almost went with this just for genre purposes,
but glastro Daryl Palumbo, the way he can go between that super

(01:22:29):
unique singing style already, like he already sounds like
nobody else. And then when he gets when he
screams and he does that thing, he sounds like nobody else and
he can cycle between them so much.
And then he's got the head automatic of shit where he's
doing like pop music. So it.
Feels like almost a different person.
Totally like incredible singer, absolutely incredible singer and
so tip your bartender, I think is one of those songs that just

(01:22:51):
like shows off what he can do. So what about you, Don?
I had more of a new artist. He used to listen to Alan Stone
at all. Blue eyed soul singer?
Nope, he like his first time came out in 2012 and I started
listening to it quite a bit whenthis first album came out.
The song Satisfaction is the oneI was going to pick.
He is an amazing blue eyed soul singer and when you see when you

(01:23:14):
hear him and then you see him, it's a little Teddy Bridgersy.
I think they've done a budget, not Teddy Bridgers.
What am I talking about? Teddy swims.
Yeah, I'm looking at Phoebe Bridger's names on my computer.
Teddy Swims. He's a little Teddy Swimsy but
with less tattoos. So he didn't get the recognition
that Teddy Swims did, but they've done a bunch of shit
together. Just great blue eyed soul
musicians and Satisfaction is a fantastic song.

(01:23:35):
It's off his first album. He has a cover of Is This Love
by Bob Marley that he does live.I'm going to send you the
YouTube link when this is over because it is one of the best
covers I've ever seen an artist perform.
I had Stevie, Stevie Wonder on the list just because like you
got to have Stevie Wonder on a best singers list, you know?
And it was signed, sealed, delivered.

(01:23:56):
And then I can't do it because Ihave had both Danzig and the
Misfits on here, but the 199th best singer, according to
Rolling Stone, is Glenn Danzig. I don't disagree.
And I want to do Sistina's, but I want to do Sistina's live from
the Thrall Demon Spit album where like you hear the crowd

(01:24:18):
whistles in the back and it is my favorite and the funniest
fucking vocal performance of anydancing thing you'd ever listen
to. If you get a chance, go listen
to Sistina's Live. I sing that as loud as I can in
my car and I laugh every fuckingtime.
It is so good. But I've had Danzig and I've had

(01:24:40):
the Misfits on. I had mother on karaoke and I
had fucking, I don't know, the misfits on something else.
So, oh, misfits were on siblings.
So no more Danzig for me. But those were all I had.
Steve, you want to give us all 21 of your honorable mentions?
I won't go that far, but one that probably wouldn't be on
most lists. There's a guy named Blair
Sheehan who sings for He's been in three different bands,

(01:25:01):
Knapsack, Jealous Sound and Racket Club.
I love Knapsack. Dude I love.
Jealous sound. I always said if I was going to
be in a band that sounded like that, I wish I had that dude's
voice. His voice is so good.
Especially that like when he goes from, I don't know if he
sings as much as he like talks with a very pretty melody to it.

(01:25:21):
But then when he like he's definitely not a screamer, but
when he like gets super emotional, that transition is
great. So knapsack.
Which which dude is he in the jealous sound?
So he is. Who that is a that is he is the
interesting thing about. Seeing it, he's that dude.
Oh, OK, yeah, I know exactly what you dude you're talking

(01:25:42):
about, man. Hey Rod, will you go on
Instagram and look up the jealous sound?
Holy shit this is the band photo.
This is like a bad backyard BBQ photo.
He is absolutely the dude that when I think he's that guy, you
know who he is. Yeah, Hope for Us is a fucking
great song. God damn.
I remember listening to Jealous on Steve quite a bit.

(01:26:03):
Did love love his? Voice, I think it really like
it's just so good. All right, I'll precursor this.
He sucks as a human being. He's sucked forever.
Morrissey, The Smiths, I love that man's voice as much as he
does. He's I just love it.
I had a big conversation about separating the art from the

(01:26:23):
artist the other day. And like Morrissey.
It's hard because I still want to listen to R Kelly.
Thank God you said R Kelly and not the other person recently
because that dude's lost his damn mind.
Some of the videos I'm seeing from that shit, unreal.
The people who are listening, well, it's not unreal because
he's putting it out there, but the people who are listening to
him now. Yeah.

(01:26:44):
Recently, about a year ago, I was introduced to somebody named
Olivia Dean. She's got a beautiful voice.
If you guys aren't familiar withher, you're absolutely not
getting tickets to the Chicago show that sold out at $32 a
ticket and now we're resold for an ridiculous amount of money.
But she's got a beautiful voice.Where's she playing?
Concorde that. Oh cool, that messy album.

(01:27:07):
It's so good dude, I listen to that a lot last.
Year and then she has like a weird like a live album from
kind of even before she blew up that's more like a jazz standard
record she's playing with just like an upright bass player and
a drummer and it's great and then.
She feels sorry. She feels like the the lineage
of Amy Winehouse to me. Like it's not the exact same

(01:27:28):
like soul thing, but it's that like a lot of call back to R&B,
old R&B and old soul and stuff. But with this like real hip hop,
like authentic, like current edge thing.
She's awesome. Dude.
That's a really good call. Then I had just the real quick
ones. I mean Jeremy Enoch from Sunny
Day Real Estate and if I was going country other than William

(01:27:50):
Elliott Whitmore or Coulter wallet would have been Noah or
Tyler Childers. He's got a very unique it's.
A good call. It's raspy, but it's not like
low raspy. Man.
The song Shake the Frost is fantastic.
There's a if you're going to dive into Tyler, there's a live
album. What the hell is that thing

(01:28:10):
called? From the barn, maybe.
And those, yeah, live on the RedBarn, Radio One and two.
Those those versions of the songs are the ones you should
check out. You know, we'll have to do
sometime, Don is we'll have to do the reverse of this, which is
like songs that we really like or bands that we really like
whose singer we don't we aren't fans of.

(01:28:32):
That'd be a good safe too. I've already got a couple.
Not for me. Today, because I'm just coming
from a, but I'm just coming froma positive perspective.
I didn't say let's record it today, but also Speaking of
Speaking of recording, we've, we've said like 4 times on this
pod that it was episode 44. It's not it's episode 45.
I got it wrong like I. Do you include all the other
wacky ones like the International Podcast Day or?

(01:28:56):
Not that one. The anniversary episode was a it
was a bonus one too, so those don't count.
So we've actually done 47, but 45 actual mixtapes. 45 mixtapes.
Got it. What's the 50th mixtape theme
going to be? Don't know.
OK. Let's figure it out at the end
of the season, right? No, it's in the middle of his.

(01:29:17):
Middle of season 5. Be the biggest, I don't know.
Have to count. I don't know.
I can't do that right now. Count them out.
All right? You want me to run down this
list? Yep.
Postal Service. The district sleeps alone
tonight. The Detroit Cobras.
He did it. William Elliott Whitmore.
Hell or high water. Denali.
Lose me. Tiger Army outlaw heart.
A Williams evaporate none more black under my feet.

(01:29:38):
Hot Water Music. Drag my body.
PLJ in your corner. Astrude.
Astrude. Gilberto.
OK. Concord Vado.
Yeah. To try as good as I'm going to
do. We're going to say yes, yes in
the Alicia. Keys in the I got you and Phoebe
Bridger smoke signals. This is going to be a fun one.
Fun one to see. Can't.
Wait for you to shit talk that that sequence.

(01:30:01):
Good luck putting these in the correct order.
That's going to be a hard one. Good luck.
Oh Christ, I'm looking at this list and I don't know.
I don't know where. No idea.
Good luck. Yep, can't wait.

(01:30:21):
Hey, thanks for making me listento good music in the early 2000s
and into the 2000 and 10s. You're welcome.
Thanks for screaming neurosis with me.
Hell yeah. It was, I think that song made.
It was an honorable mentor. It did make an honorable, I
feel. Like it was an honorable
mention. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was definitely a lot of.
Neurosis screaming in that do weplay the most inappropriate

(01:30:43):
shit? Totally.
Yeah, I guess thank you for influencing his musical taste
too, because this podcast might not exist if he wasn't the
music. So thank you Steve, for that.
Also, I don't know if you've been paying attention, Don, but
every Friday they're adding morestuff to the Steve Albini for
sale stuff. And I looked on Friday and
there's there's a bunch of Neurosis records on there that

(01:31:05):
you could have bought from the Steve Albini's personal
collection. Did you hear about this, Steve?
No, I didn't. No, because that episode hasn't
come out yet. Oh.
That episode's not yet. They're selling off Steve
Albini's estate, and what's it called?
Steve Albini's garage sale. It's Steve albiniscloset.com and
every Friday they're putting a new lot of items up for sale at,
I want to say noon Eastern or 10Eastern, something like that, it

(01:31:26):
says on the website. And it's like his record
collection, his T-shirt collection.
Posters, artwork so far that they've just been doing CDs and
records. I think they're doing those
first to build up that's. Crazy.
And it's not that much money. Well, some of some of them are
expensive and some. Are yeah for sure I went to grab
a CD for like 30 bucks. So I went to buy there's a 7

(01:31:47):
inch he did for this awesome oldlike Midwest alternative rock
band that never got big and theyhad a it was like a 7 inch and
it was a record he did like he recorded it.
So we had a copy of it in his collection.
It was only like 45 bucks. I was like, I'm going to buy it.
I clicked on it and by the between clicking on it on the
thing and pulling up the listingto add it to my cart, it had
already sold out. Somebody bought it.

(01:32:09):
So like it's that shit's going fast.
But some of those like the bigger, more known records from
his collection or are getting into the upper.
Yeah, there's a couple that like, I mean, you can tell that
the people that are putting thisshit up know what they're doing.
You know, like they're the shit that is the rarest is the most
expensive, the shit that's like a little bit less difficult to
find, is a little bit easier to get your hands on, but like it's

(01:32:30):
just selling out really quick. Yeah, I tried to buy that
scrawl, that scrawl 7 inch that mother wants to know.
That's the this dope like all woman like all rock band from
Cleveland, but that he recorded maybe even that it's a 7 inch
for 45 bucks like that doesn't 45 bucks isn't bad, but for a 7
inch like yeah. Yeah, it's pretty.

(01:32:51):
Steep like even some of the zenes are like all the zenes are
sold out and those were going for like some of them were
expensive, some of them were like 25 bucks.
But Jesus what a cool fucking thing to like scroll through.
Whoa, there is $1000 bursome record.
There's also a three. $100 a lotof money to pay for.
Some Neurosis. The Eye of every Storm.

(01:33:11):
Double LP. That one's 300 bucks.
Yeah, 100. Sold.
Sold out. Sold out.
They're all sold out. You're gonna be on there Friday
at 12. But either way, man, Steve,
thanks for hanging out with us. Thank you guys.
It was awesome. Thanks Steve, you please.
It was weird and I don't know ifI like it.
What's what's we're? Being super positive is weird.
Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, it's got to.

(01:33:31):
It's got to stop. You got to stop at that, from
from here on out. But.
OK, that's fine. Nice to meet you, Steve.
Great to meet you. Thank you guys.
Bye bye.

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