Tape 46 - "So Controversial!" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How? Many Now the making of a good
compilation tape is a very subtle art.
Many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to expresshow you feel.
This is a delicate. Thing you got to kick it off
with a killer grab attention, then you got to take it up

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enough. I don't want to fill you up, so
then you got to cool it off a notch.
There are a lot of rules. I'm FOTW.
You're FOTW. What's FOTW?
You don't have it. I wouldn't expect you to.
That was kind of a bold assumption that you would have.

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FOTW. That's a crazy one.
I'm fresh out the woods. OK.
Literally, I don't know. I was camping four hours ago.
I put a bonfire. I put a bonfire out this
morning. Do you still smell like a
bonfire? Fucking Chicago traffic for

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fucking ever. Dude.
If anyone in the Chicagoland area has any intention of
traveling anywhere this summer, don't do it.
Is this why you were like, we should get on early, we have a
lot to catch up on. Get on.
I need to jump on. I gotta devote.
It is about traffic. Oppressive fucking traffic I've

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ever experienced in my entire life.
It's nonstop. There's no avoiding it doesn't
matter what time of the day, doesn't matter what day of the
week, doesn't matter where you're going, when you're going,
how you're getting there. You are sitting in construction
Chicago traffic right now and I'm going to pull my fucking
beard out. Yeah, that I do remember when
there was construction. I mean, that's everywhere.

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But I do remember when I was in Chicago, the construction really
messed things up. It's.
So bad lately. It's oppressively bad.
It's the kind of bad where like you're kind of dozing just
'cause you're spending so much time sitting there where it's
like, oh shit, no wait, I'm driving a car.
Hang on a second, I'm driving. It's fucking terrible.

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Well, I hope it didn't ruin your.
No camping was an absolute riot.Was up by Wisconsin Dells.
Oh yeah, Devils Lake did the Hiker on Devils Lake which is a
blast. Nice little 6 1/2.
Miller went into The Dells. Have you spent any time in
Wisconsin Dells? I've been to The Dells.
Yep it's a bit been to The Dells.
Did one of the like. I don't remember if it was a

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duck boat or if it was just a boat tour, but did like a Dells
boat tour. Yeah, I didn't go as far as to
boat tour to a duck boat tour, but like saw a roadside
attraction pulled in. It was $5 today only, and
something tells me that today only means any day is.
Today today only sign that looked permanent.

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Yeah, every day is today. Today is every day.
If they OK, so they didn't have the licensing for the
Transformers, but the Transformers were outside.
And I'm not talking like half assed Transformers, I'm talking
like legit well built giant Transformers.

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Like look like movie props that level.
Oh, high quality Transformers. Hold on, I'm trying to pull up a
photo to show you of me. I'm loving this already.
I mean, you're in the Wisconsin Dell.
Awesome with bumblebee look. At that.
Whoa, holy gosh, it's for. Scale just to give you an idea.
OK, so. So for for the listeners,
Donnie, Donnie's pretty tall guy.
You go up mid shin on that, Yeah.

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OK. So all of the budget for this
roadside attraction was spent onthese, OK.
OK. Because once you're inside, it's
plywood and extension cords. Oh.
Man. And what was inside the?
Story that you walk into is thatit's top secret, Rod, so I
shouldn't even be sharing this with the listeners.

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I shouldn't even be sharing thiswith anybody because it's top
secret. All the feds plug their ears
right now. Yeah, and here is a guy that
says how top secret it is. That's not a, that's not a man,
that's a like a mannequin. OK.
Well, I'll tell you that it's top secret.
I like this jacket. I just realized this.
Jacket's a jacket says it's dirty and it says top secret.

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That's a little dirty. The story is this Alien robots
have crashed into the White House and have turned the White
House upside down. OK.
That's it. That's awesome.
In Wisconsin. In Wisconsin.
Wisconsin Dells Yeah, yeah, that's the whole story.

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OK, there's not. There's not really much more to
share. Hey, if it was any more than $5,
I would have been pretty upset about the money that I spent.
Yeah. Did you feel like it was worth
the five, though? Even just for that, for the
Transformers, it feels worth thefive.
For sure. Was it worth 5?
For sure. Was it worth a penny more than
five? Absolutely not.

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But it was it like you remember?What did you ever do theatre in
school? I I did a no, but I did a little
like lighting design in high school for theatre, so I was
involved in a couple productions.
I'll tell you this much, the lighting design that you did in
high school and theatre was better than this.

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I'll, I'll, I'll guarantee it. Yeah, so.
But that's what those tourist towns are like.
It's like Gatlinburg and like, like, what is it?
So many neon. T-shirts.
It was really. Funny.
Because. Tennessee.
There were, there were T-shirts that were like Wisconsin Dells,

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but then they had a sea turtle. Not like a what?
Not like a not like an indigenous turtle to Wisconsin,
but like a sea turtle. Turtle.
Yeah, those were some of my favorites.
It was it was a it was a trip. And you guys got, you guys saw
Billy Strings, right? Oh dude.

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You meant what I'm gonna do is IA little birdie.
A little birdie told me. So I think you should tell the
story. Fan Girling out OK, so I'm
working and just shooting the shit, you know, just doing what
we do, just shooting the shit rod.
It's effortless to be friendly. Yeah, absolutely.
Nothing to be nice. Absolutely shooting.
The shit dude walks into the shop that I'm working at and I'm
like, hey, what's up man? How you doing today?

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Good. Good.
How you doing? Good.
Where you from? I'm from Nashville.
Oh no shit. That's cool.
What brings you up to Chicago? I'm my band's playing a concert.
I'm like, oh, cool, good for you, man.
Let's go, You know, go take a look around, you know, do your
thing. Go back up to him.
You know, you mentioned you werein a band.
Where's your band playing at? We're playing at the Allstate
Arena. Oh.
That's that kind of band. That's not the Beat Kitchen in

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Chicago. No, that kind of band.
Couple 100 people venue. Oh no shit man.
What? What band you're in?
Billy Strings get the fuck out, out of here.
And like, I felt kind of bad because I didn't.
It was the mandolin player, right?
His name's Jared. I didn't recognize him.
Like, you know, not saying that I shouldn't.
I should recognize band members of a band that I really like.

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Well, you're really into him. I am really into him but I'm
disappointed in myself that I didn't recognize him as who he
was. Recognize him?
Oh no shit dude that's awesome. Huge fan so cool.
Help him out around the store. We keep shooting the shit a
little bit and he's before he left, he's like, are you coming
to the show tonight? And I'm like, no, I
unfortunately got a wedding tonight and I'm like, you know,
I and but they're playing two days and he's like, well, what

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about tomorrow? And I'm like, I don't have
anything going on tomorrow. He's like, you know, I'll put
your name on the list for a couple of tickets if you'd like
to come out. So the tickets were fucking
awesome, like general admission floor and then around the sides
of like, you know, an arena show, there's like first row.
So I was like first row A A at the Allstate and it was
fantastic. And the crowd for Billy Strings

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never disappoints because it is a bunch of fucking creatures,
man. It is a crowd of creatures.
Wear shoes, man. Wear shoes in an arena.
Hey man, you know you know my opinion on on watching bands
with no shoe with nothing on your feet.
Shoes. Wear shoes, man.
Just wear shoes. People just wear shoes.
That's not too much to ask. We've evolved.

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We've evolved past the barefoot thing.
You ever been to an East Coast wedding?
No. No, it's my first East Coast
wedding. It was a beautiful, beautiful
wedding. Gorgeous, beautiful venue.
Do you know that you don't eat dinner until like 945 at an East
Coast wedding? Every East Coast wedding or just
this wedding? Apparently that's the theme.
Like you show up, you had the wedding cocktail hour, it turns

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into about a cocktail hour. 20 You go into the room, toast,
dance, bride and groom speech, dance.
Food before dancing, huh? I'm sorry, dancing before food?
Who are they called? The groom and the bride.
Bride dance with dad. Groom dance with mom.
More dance and then salad. Salads come out at 9:30.

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Don't invite me, Don't invite meto your East Coast wedding if
you're not serving. Me dinner.
Till 9:45 I was fucking like there was like chocolates on the
table and I was legitimately going to other tables and
stealing their chocolates. I stole other tables,
chocolates. That's that's too late to eat.
That's just too late to eat. It's too late to eat.
That's too late. I'm with, I'm with you on this.

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That's too late to eat. The most beautiful wedding I've
ever been to. Gorgeous venue.
Gorgeous. Everything was perfect with the
exception of eating at 9:30 at 9:45 at night.
Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, that's wild.
Where? Where On the East Coast?
Roughly like you don't have to. The wedding was in Chicago, but
it was described. To you.
But it was I got you a wedding. So you didn't travel out here

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for a wedding. You were in Chicago.
Got you it was. That makes sense.
You saw Billy Strings the next day in Chicago.
Yeah, totally. Interesting.
All right, that's that's everything I got fresh out the
woods, saw Billy Strings East Coast wedding.
I've probably got more shit that'll come.
Up you go. You were across the pond again,
were you? Yeah, I went to shit, dude, it's
been that long since we recorded.
Yeah, I went to Amsterdam. Went to Amsterdam.

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It was great. All kinds of stuff happened, but
music wise we went. To Amsterdam and then say all
kinds of stuff happened. Well, one of the coolest things.
Can't go in line. One of the coolest things that
happened was we, Doug and I kindof last like the day of this.
There's like a festival going onlike an all day.

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They called it a post punk festival.
It was pretty much just kind of like a rock punk festival.
But we were just like it's happening tonight, let's just
get tickets. And that was an ordeal because
they wouldn't take our American credit cards.
But we went to the box office and bought tickets like old
school and we went and we saw Soft Play, who I've had, who
I've picked on the podcast before and they were absolutely

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incredible. And man, just like everything
else the Dutch know had to do itman.
That the venue was so dope. You walk in, there's lockers for
all your stuff. Like like really nice lockers
for you to put your shit in so you don't have to carry it all
around with you. 3 different stages in one building.
And it was like not even that big of a building.
It was just like, so there's three stages happening, like at

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the same time. Yeah, they cost a little.
It was cheap though, and the beers were.
Pounds in. Euros.
Euros. Yeah, got it.
And even the beers were like, I think it was the cheapest drinks
we had the entire trip were at avenue that's like the opposite
of that's a. Crazy shit I've ever heard.
Right. It was like a five to seven
dollar beer at a versus like 20 bucks in the US.

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Like a bottle of water and a bottle of Diet Pepsi at the
Billy Streams concert. It was $15.
Dude, it's insane. Yeah.
So, yeah. So that was, you know, that was
a highlight. Amsterdam was great.
I did. And I went to I went and saw the
Turnstile album release show in Brooklyn.
How was it? Last week it was awesome.
One of the best shows I've ever seen.

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It was incredible. Damn, it was fantastic.
They absolutely crushed it. You're outside, but you're
under. It's, it's called the K Bridge,
but it's like, I think it's likea Hwy. 2 highways over you.
So you're standing under this bridge outside massive stage.
There's I, I looked it up, the capacity said 10,000.
It felt like there were much more than 10,000 people there.
It was. It's a venue.

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Yeah, it's like a yeah. They have concerts there.
It's like an outdoor kind of that's.
Really cool. Space yeah.
So that was dope. And then saw the next day went
to when saw saw Mannequin Pussy and saw Tyler, The Creator and
JPEG Mafia and some other bands.That was that was cool too.
And a lot of music. I've been seeing a lot of music
since we talked it. Is summertime it's a great time

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for. Heavy concert goer.
In addition, I've been travelingall over so in.
Addition to No More Music, but Idid go to the World Circus
Museum today, did you? Today.
Did you know that the fucking yeah today, hours ago, dude, I'm
fresh out the woods. I don't know how to tell you
this. I'm fresh out the woods.
Did you know that the circus, one of the circuses in the

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world, started in Baraboo, WI? The Ringling brothers are from
Baraboo, WI. Wild.
I had heard that because I've listened to, like, podcasts
about them before, but yeah, that's wild.
That's why didn't they? You know what didn't before?
It was a traveling circus too. Didn't they buy like a big
building in Chicago and have like an indoor circus thing I

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think? Dude, so that was part of it.
It was fine. It was cool, Don't get me wrong
like crazy history. I can I can get down with that,
but like I'm not down with the elephant shit, man.
I don't mean like elephant poop.I mean like, so it's the the
buildings are from the original Ringling Brothers Circus.
It's built on the grounds of where they did the circus.

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And so like, this is the old elephant building and there's
like fucking shackles on the wall still.
Like this is. Dark dude.
Yeah, I don't. Need that.
I don't need that. I don't.
Like that. I don't like that at all.
I don't like. That at all?
I didn't like it. Great merch though from the
World Circus Museum. Great.
What merch? Was it was it great?
But did you buy some merch? Yeah, no, I didn't buy any

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merch, but I did buy one of those.
I did buy a slide whistle that Imeant to bring to the podcast
and I forgot it so that when youdid dumb shit I could go, but I
forgot it in the truck. I've programmed your prices
right horn into the media playerhere so you can always you can
play it if you want. It is so loud.

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Guess it's just me during this day.
It is. Yeah.
Well, you know what it's time for.
Music news Shit, yeah. Have you gotten any feedback on
the segments? People like the news, man,
People like the news, and I did AI did a poll and people still

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like the weather thing. People like the weather.
Shit, I, I don't think the weather has to be every episode,
but I, I just like having the intro when we do slip into
talking about the weather, whichby the way, it's pissing rain
here right now, which sucks. I don't like recording when it's
raining 'cause I was, I'm worried just gonna pick up on my
mic but. Oh, can't hear it, but I think
that would be a great ambience. It's it's very loud in my
apartment, but when it rains, it's which is great just for

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sleeping, but I'm not sleeping. I'm positive.
You know what I'm saying? All right, let's see here.
I've got Orville Peck has been cast in the new Street Fighter
movie that they're making. Who's he playing?
With with Jason Momoa, it didn'tsay who he was playing, but we
can speculate. I would guess.
I also saw somebody that was rumoured to be cast for the bad

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guy, like the Russian. You know what I mean?
I don't remember their names, but you know what I'm talking
about. I.
Almost just said his name was Borat but I know it's not.
He's that other guy I. Don't recognize any of these
actors names that are that are in this except Orville Peck.
So but I found that interesting.I'm not.
He's apparently doing some acting now.
I'm assuming it's not a singing role in, like, I it's probably
not a musical, but I guess you never know.

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I think he's on Broadway right now too.
Orva Peck. I think he's like, in a Broadway
show right now. Yeah.
Hell of a hunk. I don't blame him.
Do whatever you want. I think he's wearing his mask in
it, though. And I bet his character Street
Fighter's gonna have a mask on, too.
I watch. He'll have a mask on a Street
Fighter. He'll be a mask.
Guy and Street Fighter. I don't know if there is, I
don't know if there is one, but I could be wrong about that.
But let's see. They just added best album cover

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as a award for the for the next Grammys.
And. That is my shit.
I went to school for that album layout network.
Yeah. I mean, I was like, kind of glad
that I didn't because print media is kind of dead.
But now it's the thing. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think it's awesome. Apparently they've always had
best packaging as it's cool, butnow they're switching it.

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So now they're having a packaging things and then
there's just a best cover category too, which speaks to me
because that's I love to talk about the album art.
Throw one out. Best album cover?
Like of all time dude. I mean I it's cliche but that
leads up on 4 has a great album cover.
Dude with the dude with the bushel sticks on him.

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What do you love about it? How weird it is, I guess such a
weird cover. I kind of like that, Like weird
photo or like old they. I think it's a photo of a
picture on a wall where they recorded it, where they recorded
that record, if I'm not mistaken.
So there's a story behind it. They took a photo.
It was a picture on the wall where they recorded, and they

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took a photo of the photo. That's probably not the best.
You'd have to give me a second. What about you?
Pops in your head. Mayhem Dawn of the Black Hearts.
Mayhem. I mean black metal cover dude.
You can't say that you know whatthat album cover is.
Well, not great in that way. Great is in their wild, great is
in their black metal. You know what I'm saying?
But do you know what that album cover is?

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Do you know the story about the mail?
I I, I do, and I'm, I'm I Mayhemas a band kind of fits our theme
for the day it. Fits the theme for the day.
They didn't make the cut, but man, don't talk about that album
cover. No.
Did you watch the documentary about that?
I I've been meaning to watch it 2000 times.
Yeah, Brian Wilson and Sly Stoneboth passed away since we last

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recorded 2 legends. I know it's a bummer.
I mean, they're old, you know, Brian Wilson are really old, but
Sly Stone and Brian Wilson, I think the same week they passed
away. So that's that's a bummer.
I, I, you know, it was slow music news.
There was a lot of dumb stuff that I didn't care to talk
about, but this? 1.
Well, it's only because it kind of fits our theme today, but

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there's a lot of controversy over Sabrina Carpenter's new
album Cover Your Your Girl. I know girl in the album cover
she wants. Yeah, people make too big of a
deal out of stuff, like people take things too literally, I
think. But definitely, definitely
there's some people talking shitabout it.
Yeah. Not too happy about it.
Yeah, that's all I really got. Slow, slow music news.

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That's. Still good.
There's still plenty of shit I don't have.
Do I have any music news? I honestly would be more likely
to go see a new Street Fighter film knowing that Orville Peck
was in it. I don't know why.
That just seems cool to me. Like, Jason Momoa is in it
great. He's in.
Of course he is, like, cool. He's a, he's a hunk.
He's an action guy, action moviegreat.
But yeah, hunky, mysterious country singer.

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All right, you want to do this? You want to get guests in?
Start talking some musics, some tunes.
Do we have more? I feel like we haven't talked in
so long as a. Long intro man, you know people.
Are going to they're going to want to listen to talk about
music. All right, let's do.
It I think so. All right.
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All right, so we've got our guests this week.
It feels like it's been so long,Don, since we were.

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It's been a really freaking longtime.
This has been a hell of a summerbreak.
So my homie Pete Rango is on thepod today.
Welcome, Pete. Yo-yo, what's up?
So I'm going to, I'm just going to read this straight off your
website and then I'm going to have you actually explain it.
All right, so you describe yourself as a multidisciplinary
creative focused on bringing ideas to life through the

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intersection of art, music and technology.
Yeah, now I know some of what that means, but can you explain
to our listeners what that means?
If that was your LinkedIn profile, Pete, you're hired.
You know what I'm saying? That's exactly.
What? You're hired, Pete.
If that's your LinkedIn, you're hired.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's funny because

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I've been just playing with different ways of kind of
summarizing what I do because I do so many different things,
right? But a lot of what that has been
has been artist development. And through that artist
development, you know, it's a lot of world building and, and
helping people bring ideas to life, right?
So in the process, I've become alittle bit more interested in
tech in general. I think my life has just kind of

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surrounded by tech. I just never wanted to admit it,
but I do try to have like a balanced relationship with it.
But yeah, man, I think it's a lot of that.
It's just like helping artists be independent, finding the tool
that they need to be more independent and, yeah,
leveraging tech in a healthy, balanced way, Yeah.
Well you seem to have your hand in like a 15,000,000 projects
dude. Like every time I turn around

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you're like, you got your hands in something.
Yeah. I'm a busy guy.
Well, I think, I think some projects move slower than
others, so that's why I get a little bored and I start doing
other things, you know? Yeah, fair enough.
Well, you're also, I mean as a part of that you, you're
straight up also a music producer, right?
Like you produce artists. You as this is a music podcast,

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I feel like we should talk aboutthat a little bit.
Any artists like you're really stoked on that you've worked
with recently you think our our listeners should check out?
Yeah. You know, maybe I'll start a
little bit, kind of like in the back of where I started and then
a couple of the artists that I've worked on lately.
So some artists that you should definitely check out Cherelle.

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Cheryl was one of the artists that I've worked with for a long
time. She's probably got the most sync
placements that I've ever workedwith.
She's on HBO's Insecure, she's been on the Netflix special
Sprint, she's been on a couple of Tyler Perry things.
So she's she's really dope. She's performed on Rolling Loud,
if you guys are familiar with that Hip Hop festival.
And then earlier on in my career, I had a pretty dope

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placement on this project with Jesse Boykins, the 3rd that had.
Yeah, that had Hudson Mohawk in it and AB Joe, which AB Joe's
from selection. Hudson Mohawk is just, you know,
pretty dope producer. And Jesse Boykins is this kind
of like alternative R&B artist that was really dope.
So yeah. I'm a big I've always been a big

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HUD MO and tonight fan. Like the the stuff he did with
Lunas, Like when HUD MO and Lunas get together, like that's
I have that, I have some of thatsafer very future episode done
that we'll probably do at some point.
But yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome, Pete.
Yeah, yeah, tonight's super dope.
And and you know what's kind of around that time, I ended up

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landing a placement with Jesse with Anderson Pack, but that
song never came out. So it's like one of those things
that like, if you want, I can send it to you and I can share
it, but I, I don't, you know, it's not out on the public just
for those are kind of like. Our personal just for our
personal listening pleasure. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I can definitely share that. And then in the more recent
times, I've started working withthis artist Tangina Stone and.

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I hate that we live for money. Some people are killed for money
and our bloody bones this. Money.
She used to work, she did some writing for Nelly Furtado back
in the day. She currently works with
Trinidad James's, like artist development Agency.

(24:51):
I think it's called 547 or 567. I'm kind of blanking on it.
But yeah, she's been working with with one of their artists.
I think her name is BB Rex. She's been kind of blown up
lately. But yeah, man, just I work with
a ton of artists, so it's just kind of hard to pick those are
she's she's one that I'm really excited about.
We just started cooking up some stuff.

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You know, here we go. I'm wearing his shirt right now.
Christopher Atkins used to be known as and yeah, I did post
production for his whole last project and we're cooking up a
new one. So really excited for that one.
God, Pete, you're like the busiest guy I know, but.
You're no shit, Pete. Jesus makes me feel like I'm not
doing shit. I feel like I'm busy and then
Pete's always like, oh, I'm doing this.
Oh, I'm doing this. He's posting stuff on his

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Instagram about all the shit he's doing.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, man, like you got.
Do you ever sleep? Ever.
You know, right before this I was literally coding like a
discord bot. I'm like that's why keep it.
Up, Pete. Go.
What's the theme of the mixtape today, Pete?
You want to tell the listeners. Yeah, so I kind of wanted to hit
on controversial songs. It was, I think.

(26:11):
It's going to be good. Yeah.
It was weird because as I was going through it, I was like,
controversial artist, controversial song,
controversial music video, like music video associated with the
song. Like, I've got a couple of
those, but like Roderick and I were talking before we started.
It's like, all right, I got politics, I got sexuality, and
then I got like a bunch of violence.

(26:31):
And I don't know how I feel about it, But we'll see.
We'll see how it goes. We'll see which direction we end
up going in here, which is exciting.
Yeah. And, and you know, when I was
doing research, some of the songs are like almost like too
political for the ones that are looking up.
So I have one that makes a statement, but it's not like
overly political. And then the other ones are a
little bit like I, I decided to go older because some of the

(26:53):
more recent ones I'm like, I don't know if I want to touch on
like some of those things. So I'm going to kind of see and
wait to see what you guys pickedand then I'll pull some things.
Yeah, So I think we're all kind of in the same boat.
I am kind of curious of how you guys interpreted that, because
that same stuff came up, Don. I was like, I was like, yo, I
mean, this was a controversial music video.
Did that make it a controversialsong?

(27:14):
Maybe I. Had some, but I had put it on
because it was, I mean, I remember the controversy
surrounding it. Well, Pete, are you going to go
first, second or third in the rotation?
We always give the guests the option I.
Kind of want to go third. I only want to do that because I
mean, I could, I don't want to go first because I think it's
going to give away the directions that I was taking so.

(27:39):
All right, well, let me let me play the the guidelines for the
mixtape here. I've got them prerecorded now so
you don't have to watch me say them.
Don't click on the price is right bell on accident.
Make sure you're. Not going to click on the price
is right Bell on accident. Give it a shot, do it anyway.
All right, let's see how this goes.
All right, you got to open with the killer track.
Each song should flow smoothly into the next.

(27:59):
The mixtape should have a good balance of genres, tempos and
moods. The mix tape should tell a story
or convey a specific emotion. It can't be too obvious, but
can't be too obscure either. You can't double up on songs by
the same artist, and the closingtrack should leave a lasting
impression. That's it.
How is that? Not bad, I missed the chipmunk
though. I like the.
Speed I I speed ran it. That was my speed run.

(28:19):
I like the chipmunk. I like just doing it live to be
honest with you. That feels weird listening to
myself say like listening to myself prerecorded.
Oh, man. All right.
Well, so Pete's going third. Shit, I didn't look at this
Dawn. Let me look.
That's great question. 1st and the last one.
Go back in my notes, this is going.
To be a funny idea, funny mix tape it's.

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Going to be weird. I went first last time Don.
So that means you're. First, Yeah, OK, First I'm going
to get, I, I get, I wouldn't call it an easy one, but I guess
I'm going to call it an easy one.
And it's going to be Madonna. Justify My love.
Waiting for you to justify my love.

(29:06):
Yearning, burning for you to justify my love.
Okay all. Right.
And like, I remember that song and music video and the music
video again got more lower than the song because that music
video is overtly sexual. I think there's actual sex in

(29:30):
the video maybe? That was part of that, that she,
there was a series of videos shedid.
There's a nickname for them thatI can't remember but they were
all like very like erotica based.
Yeah, totally. She went on a whole tour that
was like surrounding that whole.Thing called the erotica tour,
right? That she had a book and stuff,
yeah. Totally.
Is that around like a prayer time?
No, it's way after, which was crazy because like a prayer is

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also gnarly controversial because she kissed black Jesus
in the music video and then there's burning crosses in the
music video and shit like that. So like, she, Madonna was
probably one of the, I don't want to say early because you
know, there's a bunch of early controversial music, but like,
she was putting it all out therepretty early on in the 90s and
maybe into the early 2000s unapologetically and still

(30:14):
crushing, which is pretty rad. We haven't had any Madonna on
this pod up to this point, whichis gnarly.
Which is wild, yeah. Which is wild.
Well, this is a steal, so I didn't have justify my love.
I had like a prayer. Like a player.
Yeah, for sure. So.
So that's a steal. I can't do that.
But I mean, she had she had a lot of she pushed the
boundaries. It's weird now because you
listen now and you're like, whatis controversial about it?

(30:35):
Like she's singing about sexuality.
Like just turn, just listen to any pop music, right?
But at the time. Yeah, what's at the time you had
this, and now it's like you can watch Tik Tok's of all of
Sabrina Carpenter's Juno positions and it's like, holy
shit, man. And Madonna was getting raked
over the coals for it. And it's like, it's crazy to see
the evolution of powerful female, female pop singers,

(30:59):
which is awesome. So I think I've talked about
shit like this in the past and that like where we said Madonna
crawled and walked so that Sabrina Carpenter could run.
So like all like, female pop artists could be, like,
authentically themselves, Yeah. And like, it was crazy because
like, this shit existed. And then do you remember?
It's not one of my songs And hopefully it's not a steal.

(31:19):
Do you remember like the controversy surrounding the Hit
Me Baby One More Time video where she was like, maybe?
Because she's just as a schoolgirl.
And she was like maybe 18. And it was like, oh, damn.
Like this was it was a huge deal.
Like huge deal that that happened.
And it was like, yeah, man, thatwas that was big time
controversy back then. With some prudes.
I know. Yeah, there's a lot of prudes
out there. I was stoked that when I started

(31:42):
doing some research, I was stoked to see that we had no
Madonna on. And I was like, oh shit, yeah.
And I'm pretty stoked that I gotit.
I feel good about. It a lot of her controversy
though that I still think would be controversial now is she?
She went after religion a lot and not after it's in like it
wasn't political. It wasn't like rage or somebody
going after like the Pope. It was like, I'm going to use

(32:04):
religious imagery and religious language a lot to talk about sex
and sexuality and that pissed people off.
And I think that would stop this.
A lot of people off. There's artists doing that right
now. So I mean, she, it's not like
she what she did then. It was only edgy in the 80s.
Like some of that stuff would still be pretty edgy now if it
was coming out. I think especially those music
videos. I mean music videos, it's not
like they went away or anything.Like they're just not MTV

(32:26):
anymore. But like music videos are still
pretty ubiquitous. You see them all the time.
And I think if you've got, you know, gay Jesus in a music video
or, you know, burning, like, dude, it's the KKK was in there
or like people dressed as that. That's fucking wild.
There was that other it was Lil Nas X that did that music video.

(32:50):
Montero. Yeah, recently.
That was pretty. Crazy with the devil, like
dressed up as the devil or or whatever had the devil in it and
stuff. Yeah, yeah, that.
Well, that gets into. See, now you're making my brain
go because I don't think this song wasn't controversial, but
Sam Smith had that really controversial like live
performance of that of that songwhere it was the same thing.

(33:11):
It was like, it was like what was?
The name of that song? It was like, say, it was like a
bunch of satanic imagery and stuff and people got super up in
arms about it. Wasn't it The Body Shop song,
Mama Don't know That hot that The Body Shop was unholy doing
something unholy? Yeah.
I'm no Sam Smith, my man. I Can't Sing that singer Rod
Pete wants to sing it. He can sing it.

(33:32):
I'm not singing it. Yeah.
That's your first pick. That's your first.
That's a great that's a great kick off.
Like I said, I had McDonald, Madonna.
So you kind of stole that one from me.
I. Don't feel bad about it.
All right, so that's me then. All right, well I'm going to go.
I feel like this might be on your guys list too.
So this might be a steal becauseI feel like this is one of the
most controversial songs ever, but I'm going Fuck the Police by

(33:56):
N.W.A. Fuck the police coming straight
from the underground. A young *** got it back 'cause
I'm brown and not the other colors so police think they have
the authority to kill a minority.
Fuck that shit 'cause I ain't the one for a punk motherfucker
with a badge and a gun to be beaten.
It's on this jail. We can go toe to toe in the

(34:17):
middle. Of a cell.
Nice, that was on my list for sure.
It just even to this day, peoplehate that song.
Like, it's like, you know, again, it's not about making
this political or anything. It's just like, I mean, be with
BLM and stuff like this never died.
Like, it's sad that this continues to be relevant.
Actually, that makes me really sad and depressed, Yeah.
That's a bigger problem. Straight up coming out and

(34:38):
saying fuck the police. And like, we come from a place
where like the police kill our friends and fuck that.
And then you get Congress after you, and the FBI is writing you
letters and writing your label letters, and you're getting
banned on the radio, you know? When did it come out?
When was this album? 19891989 is when the album
dropped so yeah I don't know when the single Yeah recorded 88

(35:01):
came out January 1989 so. Crazy.
Dre was the judge on there, doctor.
Dre was the judge. Yep.
Yeah. So like the I always loved so
the verdicts when they find the the cop guilty or whatever.
The way they phrase it is like they call him a chicken shit
mother fucker like the court. This is so funny to me.

(35:22):
Eazy E was like the king of disses that sounded so innocent.
Like he like knucklehead, Like he liked to call people
knucklehead. Stuff just cracked me up.
That's really. Good.
But yeah, I mean, you know, the song has just always been
relevant. It's just stage relevant and
like obviously had a big resurgent moment during the

(35:43):
beginnings of the BLM movement and everything a few years ago.
So I don't know man, it feels relevant for right now too.
Yo, there's just so much going on in general with with that
song and right now, right it's highlighted just through all the
footage that we're seeing comingout from the protests and the
ice kind of arrest and everything right And and it's

(36:04):
really crazy. There's this one video that I
saw where it's like this girl and this guy, they're just kind
of filming cops walking by. And then at some point the one
of the guys is like, you should be doing your fucking job.
Like, you know, some shit like that.
And the guy just turns around and is like, arrest him.
And they just all go to arrest him.
He's like, yo, what are you arresting this guy for, right?

(36:24):
It's just kind of getting out ofhand.
Yeah. And like, I mean, they saw it
coming. When, when was this
historically? Like contextually, was this
before or after Rodney King? It was around the LA riots.
It was. That's what it was.
And then Rodney King came after that, right?
No, the Rodney King. The result of the Rodney King
beating, OK, yeah, yeah. So similar things like cops over

(36:48):
exerting power against people like during during moments of
like stress and protest and stuff.
Yeah, 'cause this the LA riots were as a result of the Rodney
King verdict. No, that can't be.
Well, he said that the this cameout before the Rodney King
beating. So the riding King beating was
91. The LA riots were at were a

(37:11):
result. You're right.
So this is before the LA riots. So this is even more prescient
than that. They were like singing, talking
about this before that it even happened.
I mean, I'm assuming they're just referencing the police in
their communities, right? Like in Compton and stuff.
But that's very timely of them to put this out two years before
all that shit happens in LA. That's wild.
But yeah, so political. There's there's my political

(37:33):
one. It shouldn't be political
though. Like, I mean, it's like people
in power over exerting power. Like I'm, I'm, I'm always, I'm
always going to be here for a protest song against that shit,
you know? Sure.
Well. It's kind of like what Don said
earlier, just like you have a limited amount of things that a
controversial song can kind of be, right?
Like, yeah. So yeah, this song's been
covered a bunch too, which I don't know that I've ever heard

(37:54):
any of these covers, but like, Bone Thugs N Harmony did a
version of this which I didn't know.
Dang. I want to hear that.
Yeah, I have heard rage did this, of course, and I've heard
that, but there was a few other people listed on here and I was
like, I don't know that I've heard these covers before.
I. Was.
Man, I want to hear Rage's version of that.
They put it was on that Renegades of Funk album that was
all covers. Oh, yeah, OK, I'm.

(38:14):
Pretty sure, or maybe they just did it live.
I don't remember, but yeah. So there was my first pick.
N.W.A. All right, Pete, what do you
got? 6 So I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
light approach for this next thing.
Sweet. We need that.
All right, so this was unexpected, but as I did
research on it, I was like, oh, that's so interesting.
But the monster mash. Then suddenly, to my surprise,

(38:41):
he did the mash. He did the monster man.
It was a graveyard smash. It caught on in a flash.
He did the mash. He did the monster mash from my
laboratory in the cast released.No shit.

(39:01):
So like as I was digging into this, apparently when it dropped
the UK radio deemed it like too more of it and it was actually
banned for like 11 years. And as soon as it was done being
banned, it like shot up to like top ten.
You know which which is the theme that happens with a lot of
these controversial songs, right?

(39:22):
Like they try to ban them and because of that.
It makes him more popular. Yeah.
Dude, First off. Bobby Morris Pickett and the
Crypt Kickers. The crypt kickers, which he
references in the song, he says he says something about the
crypt kickers and they were theywere the ones playing the party
in the song. Dude, I, I may have heard
Monster mash. I may have heard monster Mash

(39:44):
more times in my life than many other songs.
Actually, now that I think aboutit, it was.
Such an unexpected pick. That's really good.
It's they found. When did this come out out?
Like how? How is this morbid?
It's obviously like a novelty song, you know, it's like in.
The 60s or something? The Sixties 1962 was what the IT
was what Spotify says. That's wild that they consider

(40:06):
this morbid. That's so funny now because it's
based. It's practically just a
children's song now. Yeah, it's a children.
'S Halloween song now dude. What else did Bobby more Bobby
Boris Pickett do? Yeah.
What else was Bobby Boris Pickett on?
The sinister stomp, The Transylvania twist.
Scully Gully. I wonder, can you look them up
separately? Bobby Boris and other crypt

(40:29):
kickers? Something different.
Yeah, I don't know. They are.
Actually, they are. They're separate guys.
This is like when we looked up Huey, Dewey, and Louie all
separately. Yeah, and found out there were
two different Huey's. Yeah, there are definitely two
different Hueys. It's so funny because it's on
every Halloween party playlist. So is this a British?
Is this, is this a British artist then Pete?

(40:49):
Yeah, it looks like it. I mean it seems like it
originated in the UK. He was in the army.
Oh, it looks so. Robert George Pickett is
actually an American singer-songwriter though I
wonder? Like they tried like launching
it in the UK first. I also love that his of his top
five cities. You already got it, Rod.
Top five cities huge in Australia Melbourne, Melbourne,

(41:12):
Bisbee but. Also, you got you got Chicago.
In Chicago. Chicago, on.
The list. Can we talk about this on the
list? Can we talk about a Spotify
profile pic? Yep.
Go ahead. Which Pete you are you looking
at? A Pete?
Do you want to describe it to the listeners?
What his Spotify profile pic? Profile pic.
I haven't even looked at it. Don, can you describe it?

(41:33):
Yeah, we'd love to. So he is in a cemetery.
He hold on, what's he what's he look like First off?
Doctor Kelso from Scrubs. He does look like Doctor Kelso
from Scrubs. Just a normal like older like
Doctor Kelso. From Scrubs.
Yeah. Wearing a blood stained doctor's
coat and has a fake spider on his shoulder.
Yep. Leaning on a gravestone.

(41:55):
Yep, leaning on a gravestone, smiling happy.
Happy as a clam? But it looks like it was taken
with somebody's like home camerain like 1974.
Yep. That's fantastic, yeah.
He. Looks like Doctor Bob Kelso
from. He's supposed to be doing Boris
Karlov impression from Monster Mash, so I think that's.
Yeah, I can hear. I can hear that.

(42:16):
And then in the voice, yeah, that makes sense.
He's killing it. He is killing it, Yeah.
Hey, you know what, Pete? Thanks for bringing some levity
to the pod. Yeah, where do I appreciate the
master? Mash.
That's all I had to because like, again, as I was doing all
my research, everything was, yeah, political or sexual or
like whatever. So I was like, all right.
Or. Violence.
Yeah, there's the three, there'sthe three, there's the three

(42:38):
buckets where we've spent some time in let's.
Go. I've got a I've got a different
one too that we'll see how we bucket it.
But yeah. It's me, right, Don?
OK, so I have violence, but alsonot violence because the song
Paranoid by Black Sabbath is a crazy controversial song

(43:19):
because it was somehow it was accused of suggested suicide.
And if you ever get an opportunity to watch the scene
of the Ozzy Osbourne behind the music, where like the the lawyer
that's trying to prosecute BlackSabbath that says that this song

(43:42):
that paranoid is about trying tokill yourself.
He's trying to convince the jurythat at some point in time in
the song, there's like, some fumbling around and, like, you
hear some vocals in the background.
It sounds like bullshit and you can't really understand.
He seems to think that it's OzzyOsbourne telling the listener to

(44:04):
get the gun, get the gun, shoot,shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot.
And it is so fucking funny hearing this lawyer trying to
convince the jury. And then Ozzy hears this in
like, you know, typical Ozzy fashion.
Behind the music is like just blathering on about how how
ridiculous this accusation is. I think it came out that like,

(44:26):
none of it was true. You know, none of it was about
had anything to do with suicide.But it's one like I grew up
watching a lot of behind the music.
This is hands down one of my favorite behind the scene, like
behind the music moments was this clip of this lawyer trying
to talk about how paranoid is about killing yourself and it
clearly is not at all. It's crazy because there's

(44:47):
another, I'm pretty sure there'sanother Ozzy Osbourne song
that's they accuse him on encouraging suicide and it was a
suicide solution. Yeah, yeah.
There's been a couple of times where like they get accused of
that. But see that that's not I don't
even think this this like if we were to bucket these
controversial songs, to me, thisisn't violence Don because like
it was, I guess the controversy might have been around that, but

(45:08):
it's just it's this is his own bucket, which is misinterpreted
metal music being blamed for problems.
Like that's the whole thing. Like people blaming rock and
metal for people making bad decisions in their life and then
being like, well, it's going to be awesome to the song.
Of times that has happened is mind blowing.
I think this might be my favorite Black Sabbath song.
Dude, I love this. Yeah, yeah.

(45:29):
It's just a great song. It's about I was interpreted as
another war song, like it's likea war pig sequel.
Like even talks about war pigs in the song.
Like that's how I always thoughtthis what I always thought this
song was. I don't know that at all.
Like Ozzy would have to tell me.But yeah, that's interesting.
I I I saw all the behind the music too, but I don't remember
that one at all for some reason.Oh dude, was it a Black Sabbath

(45:52):
behind the music or was it Ozzy Osbourne behind the music?
I think it was an Ozzy one. OK, Yeah, I think it was an
Ozzy. Interesting this is the first
time we've had Black Sabbath on here too.
No, we had it on refuge. No, that's right.
But still had a good pick. Yeah, yeah, absolutely good
pick. All right, direction do I want
to go? Political violence or

(46:12):
sexualization? No, I'm going to go kind of fun
too. Actually, I think this is a
funny one. But like it always it kept
coming up as like one of the alltime most controversial songs.
And I I I don't think our 21st century brains can understand
why, but apparently it was but Louie.
Louie by the Kingsman. Oh no.

(46:47):
Yeah. Was apparently incredibly
controversial and like. What about it?
One, it's a really, I didn't realize how influential this
song was until I started doing this research and it's it's up
there. It's like apparently one of the
most influential songs of all time.
They see like invented or popularized this whole idea of
garage rock, which eventually led to more people starting
bands at at home and punk rock and all this stuff because it

(47:11):
sounds like they fucking recorded it in their garage and
it's all dirty and kind of awesome.
Like 1 take. Yeah.
And but because of that, you can't understand what the hell
they're singing. And so they're all these rumors
started that it was about like explicit sexual acts or like
there was rumors about. There's all these rumors about
what the lyrics were. There was an FBI investigation

(47:31):
into it. I think there might have even
been a congressional investigation into it.
It's not even the original version of the song, but it's
the Kingsman version that had the controversy because it got
popular one, and two, it had allthat should happen.
And so then it was banned on radio.
Pete, to your point, that just made it more popular.
People are like, like teenagers are like, I got to get my hands
on this Louie Louie record, which is basically like a surf

(47:52):
garage record. And it's about like they like
the lyrics are known because it was a cover, like it wasn't an
original. So it's about a sailor coming
back into port and not wanting to go back out and be a sailor
anymore because he doesn't want to miss his his girlfriend
anymore. Basically it's a super innocent
song. Like if you.
Look at the lyrics. If you look at the lyrics, no,

(48:12):
you're good. If you look at the lyrics on
Spotify, it does show that he says fuck in parentheses in the
song and I'm wondering how big of a deal that was when this
song came out that he said fuck.It was a slip, right?
Like you might know, Pete, because sounds like you looked
up this too, but it wasn't just a slip.
It was like an accident. And because it was a one take
thing and they just kept it because they're like, you can't

(48:34):
actually hear that in the song. Yeah, it was so in the
background. And you have to really like
listen to see, to hear the fuck you know.
But it sounds very genuine and it doesn't sound like it was
part of the song. No, I think somebody messed up
and yelled fuck and you can barely, barely, barely hear it.
But that wasn't even the controversy.
I think that was later controversy because I, I think

(48:55):
that came out later that I was like, Oh, if you listen, there's
a fuck in it. The controversy was like just,
it was just one of these everybody had.
The rumor? It's just a rumor and everybody
was all, you know, worried aboutsex and music back then and
stuff. And so it it was, it was kind of
wild. But I'd heard that about the
song before, but never really read into why it was
controversial. It's so funny to me though that

(49:17):
it was controversial and it's wild that it's so influential
because it's just a goofy song, like.
I have a goofy song for us. You're going that you're going
to. We're going to go 3 goofies.
Yeah. I love that this controversy is
going goofy because I've got some dark fucking songs on my
list and I don't want to say them.
So what do you what do you got for us, Pete?

(49:39):
What's our next Goofy? So, you know, it was kind of in
between doing like a modern kindof sexual controversial song or
like an older sexual controversial song.
So I picked one that wasn't so crazy, but I thought it was also
really funny. But it's Chuck Berry's my Ding a
lady. When Mama took me to Sunday

(50:00):
school and tried to teach me theGolden Rule, every time the
choir would sing, I'd sit. There and play.
With my dingaling, my dingaling,my dingaling, I want to play
with my dingaling. Oh.
Great song. Yep, Yep.

(50:25):
And I brought this up. It was just funny because it's
one of those double entendre type songs, right?
So it's it's about it's a song about a boy and his chair is
kind of like toy bell. But everybody obviously catches
on that it's not really about his toy bell.
And there was like reports of teachers saying that kids were
out in the playground singing myDing a Ling with their pants on
zip and stuff like that. So it was just like a funny time

(50:47):
and it's just like. Funny what?
What a. Funny thing to try to imagine,
right? Like being in the 70s and like
kids are just in the playground.Just like my dangling.
That's fantastic. There's such a history of that,
that like this, that's that's a great pick from like a music
history standpoint because this was such a, it's a whole thing
from like the 20s probably to like the 70s of these songs that

(51:09):
are intentional double entendres.
But it's the only way you could talk or sing about sex on the
radio, which is like a real human experience.
But you couldn't have that shit because there's like jazz songs
that are like that. Like there's that song like
about making Whoopi. And it's supposed to be like
making, you know, it's like it, it's about sex.
But that's not what Whoopi meansin the context of the song,
apparently. And it's like what the?

(51:30):
Or past the Dutchie. Yeah, past the Dutchie.
That's a good one. I love this past the Dutchie was
double controversy because all of those kids were like 9.
Oh, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were
kids. But but it's, you know, it's
definitely about smoking weed, but it's apparently a cooking
pot is what they say, Chuck. Berry's never been on the pot,
either. Chuck.
Oh damn, no. Joke.

(51:51):
I love that we're getting a bunch of new artists.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah. Good stuff.
It's a weird song for Chuck Berry, too, though, Can I just
say? Like it's very not rock'n'roll.
It's not his song though either.Oh no shit, who's in a cover up?
Yeah, he it was Dave Bartholomew.
The Bartholomew I I can't say that word.
Yeah. It was the original.
Yeah, he did the original 1 and again, you know, got was.

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Confidential shout out to #1 what?
Sorry I just, I knew this song but just listening to it again,
like I can't help but laugh likeit sounds like a song.
A four year old little boy wouldbe singing like Oh my God, Dave.
Bartholomew is also Ain't That aShame which I had no idea about

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that. That's a great fucking song.
Well, that's like on every late 80s early 90s movie soundtrack.
I think that's on the Andre soundtrack dude.
Jesus fucking Christ, I hope it's on the Andre.
Soundtrack. I'm pretty sure it.
Is we talked about the Andre soundtrack?
I don't know, Yakety, Yak, don'ttalk back.
That was the big, that was the big one in it.

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That's also in. Have you ever seen the smash 90s
movie Andre about a pet seal Pete?
No. Because let's come up on this
podcast quite a few times and now it's just a running joke.
But what a fucking movie. But it's a bunch of.
Oh I've seen yo you just unlock the crazy memory.

(53:19):
It's the little girl from like Matilda is the little girl in
it. Yeah, I looked at the cover and
I was like, wow, I've actually seen this.
This is crazy. The soundtrack doesn't come up
on Spotify. I know, I just said I googled.
It he just Googled it, Yeah. I'm neck deep in the IMDb right
now. Yakety Yak is on that.
Also in the great outdoors. Ain't that a shame it's not in

(53:41):
it. Green Onions is in it.
Oh, Booker T. Yeah.
Oh Christ. All right, well, this I did not
expect this to be such a light. I mean, they're still, we're
only halfway through, but. Jesus blood is stoked right now.
I don't want to volunteer any ofthe rest of my songs, but I

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will. I'll give you my last, not that
heavy one, and then we'll go from there.
And it's it's not the one that sparked the original.
But if you want to talk controversy, there's nothing
more controversial than the parental advisory sticker.
All the Tipper Gore stuff, man, you.
Remember the first artist that got the parental advisory
sticker? Oh, I should know this.
The first artist that got, I thought you were going to ask of

(54:23):
artists that like the first artist that Tipper Gore called
out, which I think is Madonna actually.
First artist that got the parental advisory.
To no. I just remember Frank Zappa
testifying and the dude from quite from.
No, I keep thinking but I can't.Twisted Sister.
That makes sense. Was they the first one to get
it? No, that's the dude that
testified. That was the dude that testified

(54:43):
as dude from Twisted Sister. Twisted Sister First artist that
got the parental advisory. Was it hip hop?
Yep. Was public in.
N.W.A. No, it was neither of those, but
you'd think it would be both of them.
Album came out in 1990. It was 2 Live Crew and I'm going
to will you when the word comes,will you press The Price is

(55:08):
Right song? The song I'm going to pick is
Pop That. You ain't hurt fucking with me.
You're going to get served. See none of my bitches.
They never complain. So come on, baby.

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Just because I don't want to saythe word.
Are you censoring yourself rightnow?
I am for sure it's. I don't enjoy saying that word,
but. Yeah, I don't enjoy. 2 live, 2
live crew. And then I mean like they went
on to do so much. Band in the USA was the name of
the album because after the album came out and they got the
parental advisory sticker, they re I think they like kind of re
released the album and it was band in the USA.

(56:01):
They also have a song called Band in the USA because you
weren't allowed to buy the the album anywhere.
Like it was a huge deal when that one first got the parental
advisory sticker. Yeah, I remember that band in
the USA album. Is that the one?
They're like standing in front of an American flag?
I think I'm not, Am I right? OK.
Yeah, it says like they're all wearing censorship T-shirts and

(56:23):
shit like that, but from there it was on fucking everything
from their parental advisory just swept the nation, and it
will like it was on everything. To Pete's point about banning
something off the radio, making it, making people want it more,
I wanted albums that had parental advisory stickers on
them as a kid. Of course you did.
You know, I mean, well, it's like it's, it's the forbidden
fruit. It's like, so cool.

(56:44):
T-shirt. T-shirt, Yeah.
I tried to get my parents to buyme the Limp Bizkit album and
they bought me the censored 1 and I was.
Clean version. Well, you could only like I
remember I we I did a CD exchange with some friends in
high school for Christmas every year and I got the chronic 2

(57:05):
from Doctor Dre for him. But I couldn't buy parental
advisory on my own and I didn't want to ask my mom to buy it for
me. I wasn't old enough to buy
parental advisory, so I had to get him the clean version.
He still to the state does not let me live that down that I
bought him the clean version. It is a good friend because it
was a bad choice. I should have just went with
something else. Yeah, I mean, same like my
there's stuff my mom would let me buy.
I I've told the story in the podbefore, but like I wanted

(57:28):
regulate from Warren GI wanted that album so bad and my mom and
mommy get it. And the first time I got to
listen to it was like my cousin had it.
So like we like hid under his bed that like I snuck into his
room during like a family vacation and we'll put
headphones on and listen to fucking Warren.
G2 live crew. 2 Live Crew. All right, good shout.
That I mean that we couldn't have that see, that was my the

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least of my. I don't want to say I mean not,
they're all controversial, but that was my last.
This one's kind of fucked up. The rest of mine are kind of
fucked up from here on out. I don't.
I had a couple other possible fucked up ones but I just don't
think I'm going to go with them I think.
No, I got one political and thenI got three more controversies.

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I'll be honest, I have one that's just too dark and I'm not
going to do it. It's just too dark.
I'm not going to bring the mood down on this.
Are you going to mention it in your honorable mentions?
I'll. I'll mention in my honorable
mentions. I'll mention in the honorable
mentions, but I'm going to go with Girl you know it's true,
Milli Vanilli, girl, you know it's true.

(58:49):
Yes, you know it's true. Yeah, when you told me this
thing. Yeah.
Great call. I mean.
Huge. Controversy huge and it just it
just was like it was like, you know, people have been sweeping
dust under the rug forever and somebody finally pulled back the
rug and it just it wasn't just Milli Vanilli.
There was all these other artists that like who else they
were the lip syncing one. Well, so they were not lip

(59:11):
syncing necessarily, but then all this other stuff came out
about like these artists who actually sang the real songs and
but weren't the ones that got credit for singing them and
shit. Like all this house music.
And like a lot of that, like early electronic stuff was these
like really incredible, like soul singers.
But because they didn't have theimage or the look, they didn't
get to go on tour. They weren't the performers.
So that came out, but that's notquite the same for that.

(59:32):
CNC Music Factory was one of them.
They. Got a bunch of trouble.
Yeah, Yep. So it's the similar thing, but
this was double because not onlydid they not sing the song, and
not only did the people who actually sang it not get, you
know? To.
Perform the shit live. Well, they actually, I think got
paid for it because they were part of kind of the scheme, I
think to make this happen. But I don't know.

(59:54):
I can't really tell on here. So it was, it was these guys, it
was a conglomerate of people. I don't know.
The guys who originally did thissong were in a group from
Baltimore called Newmark's. And they, there's a Newmark's
version of this song too. So they wrote this for their
band, but I think their version didn't come out until after the

(01:00:16):
Milli Vanilli won. But I think they got publishing
right still. But yeah, Milli Vanilli with the
lip syncing thing and like how the way that happened to like do
you guys, do you remember that, Don or have you guys seen one?
Because it was Grammys, yeah. Right.
It was. And yeah, it was like, it was
like the Ashley Simpson thing atSNL, except way worse because
they were performing like an award show and the tape fucked

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up. And so and then it came out it
was like, oh, they lip sync live.
And then it came out like, Oh no, all they do is lip sync.
They Can't Sing at all. And then they went on this,
like, media tour where they're, like, trying to prove they can
sing and they're bad. They're just, like, really bad.
Yeah. For sure.
Did they do so? I know that their Grammy got

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revoked, but did their Grammy get revoked on the event that
they performed that that they got?
I don't, I don't think so. I think it happened later, yeah.
I think everybody had to, like, digest it, yeah.
Yeah, I don't think that one. Did one go as Millie and one
went as Vanilli? I don't think so.
That wasn't the thing, was it? I don't think so.
I think they were just called Millie Vanilli.

(01:01:18):
Okay, one is alive and one is dead.
I knew at least one had passed away because I remember seeing
there was like a he. Died in 1998.
Thing, yeah. He's been well.
Because these so these dudes, itwas, it was a typical industry
thing. These dudes were dancers out at
a club. They were like famous.
They were like really well known, like nightclub dancers.
And they had this awesome look. And it was literally like,

(01:01:40):
that's what pop does sometimes. This dude was like, you guys, I
could sell records if people thought you were singing these
songs, like just put them together.
I think the guy who did that wasnamed Cool Rod The.
The guy that put them on? Oh no, that was one of the real
sing. The real singers were Kevin
Lyles and Kool Rod. Kevin Lyles was one of them.

(01:02:02):
That's crazy. Do you have Kevin Lyles Floor
Pete? Huh.
Do you have a producer like Megan the Stallion and stuff?
Well, Kevin, if it's the same Kevin Lyles I'm thinking about,
he's CEO of 300 Entertainment. And Kevin Lyles is a big guy.
I mean, he's been. On Yeah, she was part of Def
Jam. Yep, that's same guy, dude, he's
from Baltimore, same dude. He was one of the He was one of

(01:02:22):
the actual singers on. Wow, yeah, he's been in the game
a long. Time just on girl, you know it's
true and apparently not the other.
Not the other Milli Vanilli stuff though, so.
Different guy. He was part of it.
He started his career as part ofthe Baltimore based DJ crew
called Newmark's and wrote, he Co wrote Girl, you know it's
true. Yep.
Which they recorded. Is he the voice on this version

(01:02:44):
though? It's really hard to tell because
there's two versions of this outthere, so I don't know.
But anyway, yeah, Milli Vanilli.Sad for them, maybe a little
dark for their lives, but not somuch dark controversy.
I love that you have now deep dove enough to know this much
about Milli Vanilli. You got any other fun Milli
Vanilli facts? Some of this I already knew,
like I knew the dancer thing already.

(01:03:05):
Like I think I've watched it behind the music on them or like
a documentary about them before.I know that they put out another
album after the controversy where they actually do sing.
How did that one go over? Not go.
Did not go well. Did not sell many records.
Didn't go. It didn't go.
I also know they kept touring for years as Milli Vanilli and
would still play like or you know, it's true and stuff and
we're still pretty big in the UKlike or not the UK in Europe,

(01:03:27):
like apparently they didn't careas much over there.
They were fucking had got in trouble for lip syncing so.
They didn't care if they got in trouble, and they didn't care if
they were good, apparently. All right.
But yeah, that song was number one in a bunch of European
countries and #2 in the US, it'strue.
So it was massive hit, massive hit.

(01:03:48):
And it's huge. Where are we sitting at?
Monthly listeners, 3,000,000 monthly listeners.
Hey, Jason, take note, take note, Doug. 3,000,000 monthly
listeners. This ain't even them.
They had other, they had some other hits too, right?
Like. Blame it on the rain.
Blame it on the rain. Yeah.
Great song. It's a great song.
It's a good song. It's a good song.

(01:04:11):
Yeah, bummer for Milli Vanilli though.
I'm going to miss you, yeah. Do I remember I'm going to miss
you. Give me, give me a little more.
Sing that one to me. Rob, do I know?
Baby, Don't forget my number. Yeah, yes, you do.
That's their fourth most most listened to on Spotify.
Blame it on the rain. Well, no more, no more, no more.
Milli Vanilli talk. What you got Pete all?
Right, so. Shit, I didn't make the top five

(01:04:34):
on million. Like, sorry Pete to interrupt,
but. You're good.
I'm trying to. I'm having a hard time picking,
but I have a couple options. The thing, here's what I'll do.
I'm going to give you the 1 now and then if it's cool once we're
done, I think I'd love to mention the other one.
Oh yeah, we'll have. We'll do some honorable
mentions. Yep, for sure.

(01:04:55):
Cool, cool, cool. So this is going to be a combo
and mostly because it's in like the same theme.
So I'm basically going to give one song and I'm going to give
an album that kind of goes with the theme if that's OK.
Yep. And this is, this is
controversial and like, oh, I don't know, not your typical
controversial way, but if you guys heard John Cage's 4 minutes

(01:05:18):
and 33 seconds song. All right, so.
Well, I don't think I've listened to all of the song, if

(01:05:39):
that's what you're asking, Pete.Yeah, yeah.
So, Don, are you familiar with it?
I'm not, no. So this piece was controversial
because basically it was 4 minutes and 33 seconds of
silence, right? So when this was first
performed, yeah, basically people sat there for almost 5
minutes and, and silence and like John Cage's whole thing was

(01:06:00):
like, yeah, you're going to, youknow, the piece is what you're
hearing in this room like this, the chair squeaking and like the
guy kind of touching the piano and like people just freaking
out about, you know, no, no music playing.
So anyway, so that's the song. However, I brought this up
because recently there was an album that that dropped.

(01:06:21):
It was like over 1000 musicians that are part of this thing.
And it's called is this what we want?
Right. This is kind of like a protest
against AI music and AI everything, right?
But it's again a whole album of just silence and the way that
the songs here. Can I share my screen super
quick so you guys can see this? Yeah, if you want.
I just want you to see the tracklist.

(01:06:41):
So they all have names still. Oh, got it.
So the track lists, all right, So the the track lists is one
through 12. And here's the song titles.
They're all each song titles oneword.
And is the British government must not legalize music theft to
benefit AI companies? 12 songs.
Yeah, this was all silence too, Pete.
Yeah, all silence. Yeah, OK.

(01:07:02):
So that's really interesting fortwo reasons.
One, the John Cage one, I've actually heard people talk about
that too. Like so when he released it,
there was like a performance piece aspect of it too, which
you talked about. But then there's also this like
side of it where people talk about putting it.
It's actually appropriate for this podcast.
I've heard people talk about putting this on mixtapes and
stuff so that it forces you to listen to your surround.

(01:07:25):
So I'm listening to music and headphones, I'm listening, I'm
listening, I'm listening. And then there's 4 minutes and
33 seconds of just silence that forces me to like be in my
surroundings and hear the cars out in the road or hear the rain
coming down or hear whatever. And then the music starts again.
And it's like a break from like isolating yourself in your head
to music, which I found like a really interesting take on that
too. So that's what it's going to be
on this mixtape. It's going to be that.

(01:07:46):
So that's really interesting. I wondered if we were going to
get into this Pete, because I know you're involved in this
some. So what's, what is your take on
the AI music thing? Timberland just signed an AI
artist. Dang, really?
Yeah, yeah. And, and it's, and it's crazy
because like, it's one thing forTimberland to be signed and
we're all pissed and all that stuff, but like, I actually have

(01:08:08):
a friend that was kind of, I don't want to say victim, but
definitely a part of this thing that happened.
I don't know if you guys saw, but Timberland was doing these
listening sessions where you'd like pay and you'd comment on
your music or whatever, right. So my name, my name, my, my
friend Zara Scully got on there and he like freaked out.
And what's funny is that Timbo knew Zara as a producer, but

(01:08:31):
she's actually a really great songwriter and, and singer,
right? So when this whole thing
happened, you know, Timbaland's like freaking out on, on the
stream. He's like, yo, who is this?
And they're like, yo, that Zara scrolling.
He's like, no, no, no, no, Zara's a producer.
This can't be Zara. And like, yo, that's Zara.
And like, he's geeking out immediately.
It's like, Yo, you got to call me right now.
You know, they do a bunch of Facetimes.
He's talking all all this smack about like, hey, you know, you

(01:08:54):
got to take off in April. I'm going to put you on the on
on the radar just really hyping her up right.
And eventually, you know, no, onthe radar started ghosting her.
You know, he she had sent him a bunch of songs and at some
point, I have a video of this, but he put up a, a video of a
song, a remix that he did. And you can hear her vocals, but

(01:09:16):
it's not her singing it. So we think that her voice was
used with AI or something to like, produce these lyrics.
And she has a video of her goingback-to-back with it, like plays
the video, sings the song herself.
And she's like, yo, he definitely stole my my voice.
And she confronted him and all that stuff.
She's like, no, we didn't do that.

(01:09:37):
But yeah, it was just really ballsy.
And like, The thing is, like here, you're doing something
which seems like you're supporting the community.
You're giving a platform for these people to come and like,
share their music. And all of a sudden you're not
going to sign any of them and you're just going to go and like
start this AI artist, right? And a lot of that has to do with
control, right? Like this artist is not going to
talk back to you. They're not going to care what

(01:09:57):
direction you go or give them. Like it's all about control.
And I relate in one way where I've created artists like that,
right? Like I've created not AI
artists, but I've created personas and like, you know, my
own artists, right? But it's not necessarily because
I want control. It's just like, I just want to
make my own music, right? Like, that's, that's all
without, that's how I was perceiving it.
But for somebody like Timberland, who has that much,

(01:10:20):
that many resources, that much power and everything is like,
you should be signing artists, you should be developing talent.
And yeah, man, it was just kind of sad to see that announcement
before he even signed anybody from these like, listening
sessions. Who's the artist again, Pete?
Zara Scully, So ZARAH and then Scully.
Scully, how you copy paste? Us try to get us wasted.

(01:10:51):
Just a replacement. You make some money.
Sometimes you're so good for greatness.
Man, I love her voice. She's, she's a, she's a newer
artist, but man, she's, she's written for a lot of people.
Is she the 1? So I saw a clip of a like a
streamer, one of these streamingthings he did where like he was

(01:11:12):
being actively like on the stream, called out for this shit
like being like like and I saw it get posted somewhere.
Was that her or was that somebody else?
That, that's probably definitelyone of them because she was,
she's been very vocal about it recently and people have been
seeing and like, she's pretty, you know, a lot of people in LA
know, know her. So.
Yeah. That's a bummer.
I really like Timberland. I hope he's not a Jack bag.

(01:11:35):
Well, I'm glad the AI thing cameup because that's like going to
be the new controversy with music for sure.
Is this AI stuff? I mean, it's it already is and
it's super controversial and visual art too and stuff.
But I also am kind of stoked home this John Cage pick, Pete.
Like, that's a cool way to bringthat shit off into it.
That's really cool. Yo, and and I had so many other

(01:11:55):
things that I wanted to say, butI was like, you know what?
I think like this has to be a statement because the other ones
are a little sexual and like allthis other shit.
So I was like, this is a this isa different type of controversy,
right? And it's, it's definitely very
important for right now and it'srelevant, right?
Like with, with all this AI stuff that's going on.
So I thought it was like a nice segue to like end with for my my
segment. Follow that, Don, what do you
got? Like I said, the rest of my

(01:12:17):
choice is going to suck so they don't suck, but I don't want too
much bad, so I'm going to go with This is America by Childish
Gambino. This is America.
Don't get you slipping now. Look on living now.
At least be tripping now. Yeah, this is America.

(01:12:37):
Runs in my area. I got this trap.
Hey, I got to carry them. Yeah, Yeah.
I'm going to go into this. Yeah, yeah, this is.
Gorilla and that one we've had childish kind of been on the
podcast in the past, but it was for Redbone.
But like that's one of those things where you can you can

(01:12:58):
watch the YouTube explained video of the music video to hear
like and not only that, but the song is fucking awesome and like
super controversial, but the music video brought that song to
life. I think more than just the song
itself did. And they're like Childish
Gambinos. I mean, Donald Glover's really,
really good at what he does. So like to hear like his

(01:13:20):
involvement in the explanation of some of the choices that he
made, the pants that he's wearing and the faces that he's
making and the way the cars are aligned, the places that he's
standing, the way that things are aligned in the video, you
know, the dancing on the cars, the dance moves he does like
it's all so intentional. And I think that if you're going

(01:13:41):
to stand up as much for something that you believe in as
he does and that I think he executed it beyond perfectly to
bring I I guess maybe it's less controversial and more thought
broking, but there's still controversy surrounding it
because it's, it's pretty heavy,but it's fucking fantastic and

(01:14:02):
so smart and it's such a good song and it's like, it's, it's
Donald Glover rapping, you know,which I don't get me wrong.
Like I love like I can't remember the name of the album.
What's the name of the album where he where he does more
singing and stuff like that? The red bones on.
What's the name of that album? Or awaken my love.
Awaken my love like I love awaken my love.
I love that album. I love the more R&B singing

(01:14:23):
Childish Gambino as much as I love like camp Childish Gambino.
Like what? A versatile artist, but I like
when he raps for sure. And I think that This Is America
is a great example of that. You're dead on this came across.
I thought about this one too. It's a really good pick and he
is just so smart and the video, the amount of effort and work

(01:14:44):
that went into both the song andthe video and and the meaning
behind it is impressive. Have you heard him talk about
retiring? Like how he's retiring Childish
Gambino? It's not going to be a thing
anymore. Have you heard him talk about
that at all? It's really interesting kind of
kind of to your point, Pete, andwhat you do a little bit with
artists. He's like, look, Childish
Gambino is not Donald Glover. Like Childish Gambino was a part
of me. It's a, it's a aspect of part of

(01:15:06):
my personality that I turned into my like a persona to put
music out. And he's like, and I don't have
anything else to say from that voice anymore.
He's like, that's that's diminished as a part of who I
am. And I don't that's done now.
Like Childish Gambino is a thingthat is no longer a part of me.
And that's why he's finished making music.
And so it made it sound like he'll probably make music again,
but it'll either be under another persona or under just

(01:15:28):
Donald Glover. I'm not sure.
But. I fucking love that.
I think that's so fucking cool. Like the Weekend does that shit
too. I'm not a huge Weekend fan, but
like the same deal. Like the weekend is a character,
right? Like that's the whole thing
behind that is like he's a character and like it's a big
elongated story, right? And like, say what you want, I
don't, I don't follow him much, but I fucking like he's sweeping

(01:15:50):
the world by storm. Fucking sleep token is taking
over and that dude's a fucking crazy character of whoever he
is. So like I love the idea of I
have created a persona for the artist that I am performing as
like a character. I think that's a really cool
take on on an approach towards towards whatever it is that

(01:16:12):
you're doing. I love that.
I think, well, like for me also,you know, it's funny because
like earlier on I was in a metalband and when my band got
signed, I quit. And it was mostly because I just
didn't, I just didn't want like my income to be dependent on my
creative output at that time, right?
And I never really wanted to be front facing artists or anything
like that. So that's why I kind of
retreated into being a music producer and being more in the

(01:16:34):
back scene, right? And it's interesting for me
because eventually I was like, well, I still want to put out
music. I think that's my own.
So how do I go about this, right?
So a lot of what I did, even before I had my profile, Pete
Rango, I started releasing projects under different names.
And it's because of that reason.Like I have a project with a

(01:16:56):
friend. It's all like lofi remixes that
we did of of just random hip hopacts and that one was called
Lame over Race. But it's just like all lo fi
remixes that we did. And then I have another project
called Lil Lil, right? And that's a whole other
personality that we generated for a specific era, right?
Just. Came to town, wasn't fucking

(01:17:18):
around. And I think that for me, it
feels a lot healthier for me because I can just like create
these characters and push them out or whatever, right?

(01:17:41):
It gives me that space. And I think it's sometimes when,
you know, you have an artist like Travis Scotter, The Weeknd,
they have that one hit song and everybody now expects that
sound, right? And that vibe and everything.
And like, look at what had happened with Travis Scott,
right? He put out like 3 albums of like
the same thing, you know? And like, I can appreciate

(01:18:02):
Travis for sure, but that's whathe thinks the fans want.
They want the same thing over and over.
And it wasn't for me being a Travis Scott fan at the time.
I became a fan more of the stuffthat he did with Calvin Harris,
which is a little bit different.You know, he was a he was a
feature in one of his albums. And it just, I was like, yeah, I
wish Travis would just explore more of his sound like this.

(01:18:23):
Right. So yeah, I don't know.
That's my rant on. Like, I wish artists would do
that more. I wish they would just take up
random personas to put out whatever they want to put out.
Yeah, it's really cool too. Like because you know, down to
your point, like the sleep tokenguy or like some of that stuff,
like the ghost does it too, but that's different.
That's like, that's different. It's not better or worse, it's
just different. That's like a entirely separate

(01:18:44):
persona that kind of persists versus like the Childish
Gambino, some of the stuff you're talking about Pete, which
is like, maybe aspects of me as a person will put this out and
then I'll do this other aspect of myself, which would be this
other thing that I do and I'll have a different name and versus
like taking on an entire personais like a but I mean, I guess
those are bands. So you're dealing with multiple
people too. So that probably makes it a bit
different. But like, I don't know, this is

(01:19:06):
the second week in a row we've talked about some of that stuff
too, Don like last time was justabout the anonymity because
that's part of it too. For some of those bands.
I think they just like the mask wearing.
And not even just bands like Pale J and Orville Pack and
stuff. Just like I want my music to be
my music, but I don't want it tointerfere with my personal life.
Is another side of this too. But that's not the Childish can

(01:19:27):
be nothing, right? Because it's like everybody
knows that's Donald Glover. Everybody knows the weekend is
that dude. It's just.
Yeah. And there's something about the
the hiding behind a mask or doing something like Gorillaz or
just something that's I feel like people are able to project
themselves more into that type of personality.
Or, you know, you're not judgingwhether this person is black or

(01:19:47):
white or whatever. You're just kind of focused on
like, oh, this is a character. I can't tell what they are like.
Let me, let me see what they're about, you know, So it's a
little bit less judgement in there.
No, I just realized that was my last pick.
Fuck. That was my last pick.
I didn't, I didn't put, I didn'tnot put enough time into it, but
I would have put more time into it.
But yeah, that was it. Shit.
All right. Good pick though I'm.

(01:20:09):
Glad. I'm glad that I didn't have to
do the two that I didn't want. To do I got honourable mention
stuff all right my last pick is this person came up on the pod
or this person got mentioned on the episode earlier, but I am
going to go with little Nas X but I'm going to go Old Town Rd.
I'm. Going to take my holes to.

(01:20:31):
The Old Town Rd. I'm going to ride until I can't
no more. I got the horses in the back or
stock is attached. That is Maddie black got the
bushes black match riding on horse.
I've been in the valley. You ain't been up off that
porch. Now can't nobody tell me nothing

(01:20:55):
because of that whole genre. You know, on a cancellation
thing that happened, right? Like I mean it's why like build
like it hit the IT made the country charts and Billboard
actively took it off the countrycharts and basically said no,
like you aren't country. He created that genre like there
There would be no Cowboy Carter if it wasn't for Lil Nas X.

(01:21:15):
He. I I no.
Suzie did that like Lil Nas X did that for sure.
Yeah. And, and like he and some people
were toying with it, like you were hearing a little bit of,
like some of the southern rappers would have a little bit
of twang and stuff. But he was the first to be like,
no, it's a country song. He basically made a country song
as a with like a trap beat basically, right.
And so like, but it's a country song And that's, and I think

(01:21:37):
that's why that controversy stood out, because if it was
like a hip hop song with like a tinge of country, I don't think
you would blame country radio for not wanting to play it or
whatever. Because they're, they have their
their clientele, so to speak, right?
They have their fan base. But it's like, but no, this is a
country song just because as a beat, I mean, it is a country
song. Like, however you want to define

(01:21:57):
the damn thing, it's like, is itbecause he's black?
Is it because it's a little bit of hip hop?
Is it both? Is it because he's?
Is it because he's gay like. Because he's gay and like does
not fit the the. Mold.
Worm. Totally.
Yeah. Like he wears pink suits.
Like it's. Yeah, it's gnarly.
So I don't know if that's a. Question Rod, is it just Lil Nas

(01:22:18):
X or is it going to be it is going to be the featuring?
It's the featuring Billy Ray one, because that's because to
me that's even bigger, like because that's even more like he
even got a famous country artistto like make this song.
I feel like that's the better version of the song First off.
And then two, how can you deny that being a country song?

(01:22:38):
And I, I, I don't think that song is controversial anymore,
but I don't think that specific controversy has gone away
because it's still this like divisive thing of like, well,
what is country music? What is any genre, right?
Like how, how who decides who's the like, you know, who's the
tastemaker that says this does or doesn't get to be a certain
thing? Apparently it's a billboard that

(01:22:58):
makes that decision. That's bold, you know, for the,
for the charts at least. So.
Have you guys heard of Family Don't Matter by Young Thug?
I was getting protected by my savages.
Yeah, the school. Buses as a Zen causing me to
sleep at night and playing it. Yeah.
I got some jobs all day, roll out the char all day.

(01:23:20):
I've been on Mars all day with the stars all day.
Probably because I've heard. I don't know that there's much
young folk I haven't heard. But I'm really bad at song
titles so. Well, that this is just to bring
up the fact that like, yeah, like Lil Nas definitely, you
know, embrace the hey, I'm making a country song and I
don't care what you you say. And, you know, there's been a

(01:23:41):
lot of crossover between countryand trap music, actually, and
hip hop for a while, right? It's just that it wasn't really
like recognized or we weren't, you know, it wasn't until Lil
Nas X put out old time role or sorry, old timer that we were
like, oh, this is a country rap song, right?
And and, and he's like, no, thisis just country.
And prior to that there was a lot of tracks that already maybe

(01:24:04):
on the hip hop side, you can't really classify because, yeah,
it doesn't have certain things that country has, right?
But there's already a lot of crossover.
I mean, if you think back, even like Nelly, right?
Like Nelly had that song with like, was it Tim McGraw or
somebody? I forgot who it was, but that
was like a little hip hop kind of country crossover, right?
So, but it was it was really cool to see people like Lil Nas,

(01:24:24):
like Shabuzzi, I mean, even Beyoncé, right?
Like after this whole, I mean, Lil Nas Eggs brought country
into the hip hop in that way to the pop kind of sphere, right?
Where like now Beyoncé did a whole country album, right?
So it's definitely important. To me it's wild it took so long
to be honest because country is inherently like a a folk music.

(01:24:45):
It is a originally a black musicand it's typically a southern,
you know, I get it's not just southern, but like it, it has
that association and there's so much hip hop in those same
worlds too. And I mean, shit like you go
around to a lot of these southern cities and there's like
urban Cowboys and shit. I mean shit, I don't know if
you've seen it here, Pete, but like I, I'll see dudes down in
Jackson Ward riding horses down the road sometimes.

(01:25:06):
Like it's not like crazy common,but like, you know, like it's I
it's I'm surprised it took this long, but I do feel like part of
it is that pressure of like whatkind of music people are, you
know, I'm making air quotes herefor the listeners, but supposed
to make right? Like urban black kids are
supposed to make hip hop music, like rural white people are
supposed to make country music. It's like these like you're

(01:25:29):
supposed to do this based on where you're from.
And it's like artists like this that just come out and say like,
fuck that. Like I like this.
I like both of these things and I'm going to mash them together
like, and it just sucks to not for him.
I mean, I don't think he cares now.
Like so much success and he's moved on and made other amazing
songs and records and stuff, butlike that's got to feel kind of
like shit to be not recognized by a community that you're

(01:25:50):
obviously actively trying to putmusic out into.
So I just think, yeah, I think Ijust wanted to bring it up
because one, it was controversial and two, I just
it's I'm stoked that he's obviously had the influence he's
had because I feel like he got shot on basically a lot when
that came out by a lot of like the mass public.
So and now now to your point, Don, now, now you got Cowboy

(01:26:14):
Carter tour probably grossing, you know, a billion dollars or
whatever, so. Still the 406th biggest artist
in the world according to Spotify.
Still crushing it. Good for you Lomez X.
So far, top five tracks on Spotify Over a billion listens
to Jesus Christ. Last pick, Pete.

(01:26:35):
Last pick, Pete. So, so I do 4 songs then hold
on, let me see. Last choice.
OK, All right, I'm going to go, especially because I basically
met Rod through soccer in some aspects.
I'm going to bring this one up. So there's no, there's no direct

(01:26:56):
connection to this song, but I'mgoing to break up two things,
which is one song that I used tolisten to as a kid called
Bhutto, right? Which is female.
It was male prostitute. It's by this band called
Molotov, right?

(01:27:28):
And they're they're a band from Mexico.
And it was one of those songs that as a kid, I mean, I was
probably like 11 or something when I heard this song first.
And it was one of those songs that I first heard was so much
cussing, right? For me as a kid.
I was like, yo, this song is crazy.
I was singing it all the time. And it was controversial not
only because of the, the, the, the curse words, but at the time

(01:27:50):
it was all about like authoritarian governments and
like, you know, freedom of speech and like all these
things. So they blew up in Mexico
obviously because of that. But as I was doing research over
this, the reason I ended up in this song was because I was
looking up controversial soccer chants, right?
And is this. Is this where the Mexican fan

(01:28:11):
goal kick thing came from? Was the song the?
Puto the puto. So I was trying to find a
connection and I couldn't like it doesn't, but, but I
personally think it is because like there was nothing at the I
mean, it seems like there's likecorrelation of the time and all
that stuff, but there wasn't anything at the time that I
don't know. Like Bhutto is not a word that

(01:28:32):
you keep typically we're using you just like bhuta, right?
So yeah, it was, it was an interesting one for me.
And yeah, like it's recently they've been kind of accused of
it being like a homophobic song,but it's not really homophobic.
It's not really like supposed tobe like a homo homophobic slur
when you're saying male prostitute.
Like really, you know, they werementioning these people that are

(01:28:54):
in government. Those are like the, the pieces
of shit, you know. And then eventually the, the
Mexico actually got fined or something because of the song
being chanted over and over. So they got some sort of fine
from from FIFA. They've been threatened a bunch
by FIFA for for that. That's interesting to hear the
context around it because like what you what I would always
hear in and it sounds like the song had a different meaning too

(01:29:17):
than the soccer part of this thing.
Obviously, like you're getting into like they're probably, I
mean, so are you saying they were like referencing like
essentially calling like probably corrupt politicians?
Like, yeah, not doing anything about it.
For Yeah, exactly. OK, that makes a lot of sense.
So yeah, so the context you would hear in the in the world
of like the Mexican national soccer team and stuff was that
it was a gay slur and that they were.

(01:29:39):
So it was a homophobic thing, right.
So like you're by calling the other team this homophobic slur
that is against the sport being for all people and being
inclusive. And so FIFA was threatening,
threatening, threatening ice. I've watched.
I mean, I don't know if you watch those games, but there was
a couple games like US, Mexico that got suspended for like, you
know, 10-15 minutes because the fans kept doing it.
And eventually the ref was like,hey, everybody off the field,

(01:30:01):
like we've warned you, your fansbefore.
And like, that's wild. So are you saying it's not
really a slur though in Mexico or is it?
Both No, it is, it is it definitely is, but like in the
way that it's, I mean, there's there's a lot of slurs, like
even when I said as a kid, when I said Marika, right, like that
means gay, you know, I mean, you're gay, right?
Like, but or really, I'm sorry, I don't like that word, but

(01:30:24):
that's what it means, right. But when, when, when as a kid,
as I would say that I never saidBhutto like that wasn't like a
but it wasn't like one of those typical words that we would use.
And obviously it might be different in Mexico, right?
But yeah, I don't know. For the song, it didn't mean
that, OK. Is this the is the first

(01:30:44):
Spanish? No it's not.
It's definitely not the first Spanish song.
I've had a Portuguese song on. We've had French song.
This might be the first Spanish language song we had on the pod,
actually, Pete. Let's.
Go it might, it might be. It might be all right.
Wow. Hey, we got through the
controversial song. God, it's.
Not I thought it was going to bea lot darker than it is so.

(01:31:07):
But don't worry, I'll fuck that up with honorable mentions here
now. OK, sweet.
So it's let's do our honorable mentions, Don, let's kick it off
with. Kim by Eminem.
Yeah, I was wondering if him wasgoing to come up on here.
That I remember listening to that song when that album when
The Marshall Mathers LP came outand being like uncomfortable to

(01:31:28):
listen to that song. Like that song is so fucking
uncomfortable to listen to. So that one was 1.
Of the I mean, Speaking of personas, personas too, like
Slim Shady to persona, not Eminem.
That's like his dark, that's like his dark villain persona.
Sorry. Like it's just it's really
interesting. Now that we've talked about
this, now I'm thinking of all these persona personas people
ask. This is going to be a big

(01:31:49):
throwback, but I guess familiar with the crystals from the 60s.
Oh yeah, dude, this came dude, the the hit me.
What's the song called? Me and it felt he hit me and it
felt like a kiss. Oh.
Dude that's just a dark title man.
It's a dark title. But again, it's a dark title.
The crystals were just on the pod 2 episodes ago.
Yeah. I know not this song.

(01:32:11):
Yeah, Doug picked a crystal song, that's why.
This one. No, not that one.
My last one was going to be Get the Gun by Marilyn Manson
because that was the song that rumor has it.
I mean again, still got off the hook, but that was the Columbine
song. So yeah, those were my 3 really
dark ones that I'm stoked and end up on the mixtape all.

(01:32:32):
Right, I had I only have two honourable mentions because
there's a steal in there. But I had Strange Fruit from
Billie Holiday, which I really just didn't want to talk about
on the pod. And so I'm not going to talk
about. I think most people probably
know what that song's about. If they don't, you can look it
up for yourself. And it's really fucking
depressing. But that's we have a depressing

(01:32:54):
society. So and then Rape Me by Nirvana.
Yeah. Not just for the title, but it's
a song about rape. And so obviously it was super
controversial. And then there was the whole,
like, they changed the title forradio to and the lyrics to Rafe.
Rafe me. Do you remember that?
Like, when it was on the radio? Yeah.
Which I don't even know. Is that even a word?

(01:33:14):
What does Rafe even mean? What did you have, Pete?
What did you have to leave? On I really only had a couple
pretty fucked up. I mean, one of them was the Leah
aging nothing but a number. Yeah, I've talked.

(01:33:35):
About kills on this one a few times.
Yeah, so we don't have to go into it.
That was one. And then there was one that I
never had heard of this song andI was pretty surprised when I
found out about it. But It's Woman is the N Word of
the World by John Lennon and Yoko Ono and I had never heard

(01:33:56):
of this song. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't. I don't know if I've heard of
that either. Oh yeah, and, and I was so
surprised by it. But basically, it was a
statement first coined by Yoko Ono in 1968, describing how
women are the most socially and economically oppressed group
globally, akin to how social or sorry, racial minorities are

(01:34:19):
marginalized. And I was just, and I didn't
know this was a real song. Yeah, I'm going to avoid that 1,
I think. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I was like, wow, that's crazy.
So that's why I was like, I'm going to just, this is very
controversial, but I was like, let me just not.
Yeah, we'll skirt her on that. One and yeah.
OK, that's uncomfortable to listen to.
Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't.

(01:34:40):
I couldn't bro. I had to like.
Yeah, I just couldn't. Just listened to about 5 seconds
of it. I'm good.
I'm good. All right, Don.
Because I got people in moronible mentions.
Yeah, I mean, the other one thatI had in here is just kind of
silly. It's it's this song by Oingo
Boingo Little Girls. And I was like, yo, this is such
a weird song. And it's a weird ass band.

(01:35:01):
That's a weird ass dude. Danny Elfman is a weird ass.
Dude, yeah, he's a weird ass dude.
All right, you want to fire through this list.
Yeah. OK we have Madonna justify my
love, N.W.A fuck the police THA not TH or DATHATHA Bobby Boris

(01:35:22):
Pickett. Featuring the crypt kickers, the
monster mash Who saw that one coming?
Paranoid by back slap, Paranoid by Black Sabbath, Louie Louie by
the Kingsman. My Ding a Ling by Chuck Berry.
Love that pop that Roddy ready. Yeah, say it again.
OK, we'll get to that one. Yeah, OK, My Dingling by Chuck
Berry. Pop that by two Live Crew girl.

(01:35:47):
You know, you know, I said that word earlier in the podcast.
Yeah, but there's a band name. There's a band name.
It's. Less bad when it's a band name.
Fair enough, and I also don't actually spell this word out in
the song title. The the word is censored in the
song title. No shit.
Well, at least it is on Spotify all.
Right. Well, I think that's, you know,

(01:36:08):
girl, you know it's True by Milli Vanilli, 433 by John Cage,
This is America by Childish Gambino, Old Town Rd. featuring
Billy Ray Cyrus by Lil Nas X andPuto by Molotov.
Is that correct? That's all of them.
Yes, Singer. Yes, there's. 12 of them.
That'll be a fun one. And we skirted, we skirted some
good controversy. Yeah, Yeah.

(01:36:30):
Well, that just means that that leaves it open for a controversy
round two in the future someday.I don't want to be.
You're like, I'm out. Pick somebody else on that one.
We don't have to, Don. We don't have.
Hard enough. I don't want to.
I don't want to listen to Kim byEminem anymore.
That's a. Wop.
Or. A WOP.
Yeah, listen to that one. I couldn't just, there's not an

(01:36:52):
honorable mention, but like I did go down a rabbit hole of
like all the controversial, likeHard Rock and metal songs that
people have blamed for things inthe past.
Like you talked about the Marilyn Manson, like I didn't go
down a rabbit hole and that it was just too overwhelming.
And I was like, I I don't want to pick any of these.
I can't pick one of these. First off, it's stupid on all of
them. Like the controversy was so dumb
around all of these. It's just some mad parent making

(01:37:12):
some shit up or not wanting to blame themselves for having a
bad kid. Like it was just so annoying.
But yeah, there's a lot of that out there, so.
Yeah. Yeah, I completely avoided the
metal, punk, hardcore, everything because I was like,
damn, this is dark. Yeah, Yep.
So. Don't worry, we did cover before

(01:37:33):
you jumped on Pete. We did cover the Mayhem album
cover, so we're good. We got that out of the way.
Amazing. Christ, yeah, People, people,
people want to look up somethingreally dark.
That's what they that's. Controversial.
That's that's beyond controversial.
Hey, Pete, it was a good it was a really good theme, though.
This wasn't, you know, it's wildas this wasn't.
We have a massive list of possible themes.

(01:37:56):
Like we'll never fucking get through that list, probably
because we keep adding to it too.
This wasn't even on that. So like this is like you and I'd
even thought of this one. So solid mixtape theme, way more
interesting, diverse mixtape than I expected it to be.
I was thinking it was going to be a little more like early on,
I thought it was going to be a little more like political.
And. Just kind of a little more 11

(01:38:18):
tone and it's not at all. So, yeah, good job, yeah.
When when we started talking about controversial songs and I
started looking them up, like, yeah, as soon as we pick the
theme, I started, I started looking stuff up and that, you
know, my mind. But like, yeah, this is going to
be really hard. But then when I started finding
the other one, I'm like, let me dig into like silly
controversial songs, you know, things that are just like, why

(01:38:40):
is this controversial? You know?
So it just got like it felt better to go this route than go
to all the heavy routes. Yeah, Well, thanks man.
Thanks for being on. It's been, you know, been trying
to get you on for a few weeks now.
So thanks for doing this. Yeah.
It's a great time. People can go to your Pete

(01:39:06):
rango.com if they want to engageyour services or just check out
your work. Anything else you want to pull?
Just your name. Solid website.
Peteperango.com. Solid website too.
Anything else you want people tocheck out like you want to point
people toward? Yeah.
I mean, definitely check out that set.
I mean that set fc.com. It's at FC.

(01:39:27):
Yeah, that it's a probably we'vebeen working on with with Rod
and and Kevin and and Will. It's it's all about football and
telling stories through the lensof football, whether it's art,
music, fashion, and we've done some pretty cool stuff.
We're in the middle of I'm in the middle of doing this
documentary that everybody's been helping me with called
Destino. Part of that is is my story

(01:39:49):
going back home to Columbia and reconnecting with my roots.
And in that process, I got to connect with a lot of cool
people that are in in soccer world.
And yeah, so like that was that's definitely something I
want to shout out. And then what's another?
Yo, go check out my project Lil Lil.
That's one of those projects that I released what like a year

(01:40:10):
or two ago. And I'm still promoting it and
did it all myself. Had a couple of friends write
with me. Shout out Oyebaan, shout out
Alice on that. But yeah, man, think just
there's a dark times right now. So make sure you're you're
speaking your truth. Make sure you're you're putting
shit out and don't get discouraged by everything that's
going on, you know? Oh yeah.

(01:40:31):
Amen, brother. I'm super excited to see the
final Destino piece, man. I like watching all the all the
clips and all the pieces. I'm super stoked on that.
So yeah, and I haven't really talked about it on this pod
before, but listeners, if you dogo to Dead Set FC, you might see
my face on there as well, so. Oh, something new to make funny
for. All right, awesome.

(01:40:51):
Anything. Any final thoughts, Don?
No, I'm I'm glad that this wasn't as uncomfortable as I
thought it would be. Yeah, Don, Don, Don's a hard
ass. And at the same time, he he he
shies away from these types of things.
The the dark. He likes to have fun on the pod.
I don't. And I don't blame you.
Don't blame you. But no, this is a great time.

(01:41:12):
Thanks, Pete. Appreciate it.
I. Appreciate you guys.
That was awesome. And I'll see if I can think of
another topic that we can do next time.
Oh. Yeah, yeah.
Can't wait. Sounds good.
All right, let it guys. Bye.

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