Tape 47 - "Best of 2009" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How too? Many Now the making of a good
compilation tape is a very subtle art.
Many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to expresshow you feel.
This is a delicate thing. You got to kick it off with a
killer grab attention. Then you got to take it up

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enough. Then you got to cool it off a
notch. There are a lot of rules.
Is there anything worse than being summer sick?
I was going to ask what you wereshaking up there.
It looks like a some kind of Wellness shot immunity shot.
I'm not summer sick yet, but I feel like I'm dancing around the

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pond. You.
Know what I learned the other day from the Internet?
Which means it's probably not true.
So any any doctors listening, you can correct me, but have you
have you heard of like the man flu?
Like that thing of when when dudes get into the flu.
It's sounds like Pop Rocks dude,dude.
It's emergency, but it's just. Straight up pop and crystals.

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Too. For like emergency for children.
You can't tell me this works. This is fucking.
Can't wait. There's.
No way, no this thing was sayingthat like tell me more.
About man flu. Well, I guess that's a term I've
never heard before. But for like, if, if a man and a
woman get the same flu, the dudeis always like extra whiny about
it. But this guy was like, well,

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there's some science behind it because estrogen actually helps,
like, push viruses away. It like boosts your immune
system and testosterone like suppresses your immune system.
So dudes tend to like actually have the flu longer when they
have it and stuff that could be completely fake.
This is not me saying this, but I was like, I haven't had the
flu in like 25 years. So yeah, I get like sinus

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infection sometimes, but I haven't had the flu.
And a long time. Oh dude, I got so much to share.
OK, so I didn't recently find out, but I thought that when you
got the flu you threw up. Like that's just right.
Absolutely. What happens?
It's like when you can have the flu and not throw up.
OK, sure. I'm trying to think of when I
Yeah, that makes sense. The flu is just like a really
bad body aches, all of that stuff.

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So like, and I haven't thrown upin, I don't know, 30 years
because I, you know, self-inflicted from booze or
otherwise. Like I don't obviously I don't
drink, but like I haven't thrownup in 30 years.
So I don't even know what it's like to throw up.
But I've definitely had the flu.Well.
Yeah, I mean, you get those bodyshivers and those body aches and
like a really quick fever and stuff.

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That's how I remember it. But you know.
OK, and here's the second thing that I found out.
Yeah. Did you know that to make ends
meet has nothing to do with meat?
I never really thought about it.I would have.
I would have assumed meat though, right?
Like you're making enough to to buy food you're.
You're getting the end caught. Like the leftover meat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know that?

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It has nothing to do with that. You're just making ends meet.
You're just making the last two things come together.
Wow. OK, so I guess I'm.
Not a fucking idiot. Right.
No, I've never read it. So.
So it's spelled M EE T then it'sspelled differently.
I do. Guess.
So I've never, I guess I've never read that or thought
about. It yeah, I didn't either.
And then when I had a conversation with somebody about

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like, yeah, making ends meet means you're just scraping by,
you know, you, you're, you can afford the last cut.
OK, since we're talking about this, yeah, you look that up.
But since we're talking about this, I was getting my oil
changed the other day and I was in the waiting room and the
Today show was on and they were talking about something.
And they put up like the caption, nip it in the bud and
the big butt. And, well, they made a joke.

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They were like, oh, that's a cute pun.
And I wanted to be like, that's not a pun.
That's just the saying. It's nip it in the bud.
It's not nip it in the butt. It's bud.
Yeah. Harvest the flower before it,
like nip in the bud, you got to stop it before it, whatever.
Hey, you and me are on the same page on that one, so thank you
for having my back on that. We may not know shit about ends
meet. No, we know that shit.

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About nipping flowers in the bud, it is make ends meet M EE
T. OK, well, what do you know?
I I learned you. I learned something.
I had to. Fucking idea.
And it like the more I thought about it, the bigger it got and
I was like, all right, I got to pump the brakes on.
This is. Too big all.
Right, real quick here. The.

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Fact that you're just sitting around in a hoodie today.
It bothered you as soon as we got on.
Immediately the camera turned onand I'm like, take it off.
That's what it is for the theme.Take care of what's going on
right now. It's.
Not for the theme. It's it's that time of year
where it's so hot outside that my AC is running crazy and it's

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it's cool in my apartment. It's like hoodie in the
apartment. Take it off before I go out.
Is that not a thing that you do?No, man.
Everything is sticky. Like I have the air running.
The air is running pretty nonstop and sleeping with a fan
and they're still clam on. Everything.
Everything is clammy. It gets chilly in my apartment
and then I walk outside and it hits me like a wall.

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Just a wall of hot steam walkingout to a sauna.
Not yet right after this recording I'm going to go out,
so I will be changing or taking this hoodie off all right, What
else going on? I wanted to say something.
You got more stuff. Do I have more stuff?
No, I don't have more fucking stuff.
We just recorded. I was going to say that we when
we record a week together, like where we record week after week.

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I've only got 6 stories a week, right between 4:00 and 6:00
stories. So if we record a week ago, I
don't know which ones of my fourand six stories I've told you.
And you haven't listened to the episode back because I've and I
have not. Listened to the episode to say
no, I have not told you these stories or yes I have told you
these stories so I'm a real predicament right now tell.
Me. Tell me and I'll tell you if

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I've heard the food. I don't want a double audience
story makes. Me nervous.
All right, fair enough. I wanted to take a minute
because we haven't done this in a while and we also just got a
bunch of I want to, I want to recognize some people.
But first I want to say Norway'sbeen coming up on the, on the
audience. Norway.
Norway's been popping up, man. So whoever's listening to us in

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Norway, thank you. What's what's thank you in
Norwegian? Alexa, how do you say thank you
in Norwegian? Talk.
Thank you in. Norwegian, could you hear?
Her Would she say talk? Yeah, more or less.
Talk to our fans from from Norway.
If you, if you don't follow us, but listen, you should please

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follow us and follow us on YouTube because I post like
clips on there. And then, you know, we still
have a five star rating. So people should if you haven't
rated our podcast, please do give it five stars and keep that
still have a five star rating. It's like 35 on Spotify.
More on Apple Music and stuff. And it's five stars on Apple
Music too, I believe. So please rate the podcast.

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And I can't wait for that first one star.
And tell a friend, you know, those are the three things.
If you don't follow us, follow us.
Go follow us on YouTube. If you already do follow us,
second thing is rate US five stars.
And third thing is you got to tell a friend.
Those are the rules. So that's the barrier of entry
for listening. What do you think our first one
Star review is going to say? These guys were pushy about me
rating them five stars, so I should rate them one star.

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That's. Fair.
The other thing I wanted to say is as a reminder, we do have a
bunch of merch for sale at How to Make a mixtape.com And I, I,
I assume this is because of you and people you know and, and you
being just a great friendly, outgoing guy.
But we hadn't sold anything. And since Evan, so over a month
and a half and all of a sudden Iwoke up yesterday to five

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orders. So thanks Andrew and Jason and
Megan and and you got the other two names.
Fuck. Well, yeah, I have them, but I
wasn't prepared. Did you say Vic?
Nope, Victoria, thank you. Did you say you said Megan?
Did you say, Jeffrey? No.
OK. And Jeffrey is the other one
that's all 5. Awesome.
Jeffrey, Victoria, Andrew, Jason, Megan, thank you very

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much. I don't know what was in the air
that everybody decided on the same day to order that.
Was really sweet. How to make a mixtape merch?
But we appreciate it. You fantastic.
And then since we're talking about merch, this is like a old
school callback, but it kind of relates.
It all comes full circle. Do you remember what we said we
would do with some of the money from selling merch?

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I think we've said a few things,but.
Buy more merch. One of the things we said to do
would buy was going to be buy some of the weird merch from the
band filter and do a giveaway. Oh, did.
You buy something. I haven't yet, but they just
popped up because short Bus is turning 30 and they just read,
they just have a whole short bus30th anniversary collection.
And it popped up in my e-mail from like a vinyl store that I

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follow. It came up.
And so I went and looked and yeah, they've got a bunch of new
short bus 30th anniversary stuff.
But they still have, dude, they still have the candles.
They've still got hand poured filter candles.
We should buy one, huh? We should buy some.
We should buy a candle and do a giveaway.
I want to know what filters do you?
Fucking album out. Called the.

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Algorithm. I think they do.
OK. What other weird merch do they?
I thought they had more weird merch.
Yeah, there's a skateboard. Looks like they've gotten rid of
some of the mirrored weird merch.
I don't know, there's a skateboard that's pretty weird.
That's for the new algorithm album from Volatile Skateboards.
First forty boards will come with an animated Richard poster.

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I don't know man. Pass.
Interesting. When we get into the theme
today, yeah, I'm excited to talkabout.
Do they really have a goat man T-shirt?
What the fuck? Filter's getting weirder by the
minute. You, you got routines?
Yeah, you're like a routine of. Course I thrive on full blown.
Panic. Routines.
I wasn't going to make it back home today with my Diet Coke,

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but I got it. Oh, OK.
Everything's OK. Good.
Because you're too scared to tell your stories that you
probably already told. Yep.
Oh, music news, Yeah. You're going to go see that new
Bruce Springsteen biopic starring Jeremy Allen White.

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Do you think he was the right choice to play Bruce
Springsteen? I don't know, man.
Who are we talking about here? Jeremy Allen Wright.
What's he doing white? The guy?
The guy from the bear. Oh.
Yeah, for yeah, he'll, he'll be good as Bruce Springsteen.
I think so. Yeah, I think he'll be great.
He was in Movie 43. You ever seen that movie in
Movie 43? I don't think so.

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OK, let me see if I can read yousome of the cast of Movie 43.
Yeah. I've seen this, I've seen this.
I've seen this movie poster, though.
OK, Is this one of those short film movies or it's like a bunch
of little? Yeah, and it has a 5% on Rotten
Tomatoes. I like, it's one of those things
where he's like, just nobody knows what happened.
Kate Winslet, Naomi Watts, Hugh Jackman, Chris Pratt, Dennis

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Quaid, Holly Halle Berry. I mean, just the most ridiculous
cast. Johnny Knoxville, Richard Gere.
And it has a 5% of Rotten Tomatoes.
It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I started to watch it. I remember now I started to
watch it and it was bad and I stopped watching it.
There's one that's like love stories that's like that, that's
like an anthology of all these short stories.

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And it was really good. I don't remember what it was
called though. That one was cute, but this was
bad. Yeah, couldn't imagine.
Directed directors include JamesGunn, Elizabeth Banks, Bob
Odenkirk and more like. 5% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Could you imagine flopping that hard?
Rough. So it sounds like you don't care
about Bruce Springsteen, so I'llskip the other Bruce Springsteen
news. No, go ahead, throw it out

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there. Well, he this is a big deal to
people. I'm I'm not a big Nebraska fan.
The album Nebraska, which is like, I believe that's his
acoustic album. So he has confirmed that there
is an electric version of that album that does exist but has
never been put out. And that I shit you not, Don,
every music website I went to toget music news this time, that
was like their headline story, like Bruce Springsteen coming

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out and saying that somewhere there's an electric version of
that album. It was apparently huge news in
the Springsteen universe. So oh, maybe, maybe it is to our
fans, you know, maybe our listeners.
Oh, yeah. I like, I like, you know, Born
to Run's a great record. And like, there's a couple of
Springsteen records I like, but I was late getting on that

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train. Fuck you dude for being able to
have a good head of hair and a beard.
You know, we, I, I lost the genetic lottery in some ways,
really bad acne when I was younger and stuff.
You get a beard, you can't have fucking both, and you got.
Both Dude, you I can't do the beard you have like I, I have a
bit of a beard, but I have these, you know, I have these

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passion spots under there like, yeah, so.
Let's make a bet. Let's create some kind of
competition to where you have togrow your beard out.
Man, I tried to do that before and I don't have the patience
for it. But if there's tell you what we
can figure something out. But if the if we get X amount of
whatever, I will grow my beard to a certain length.

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We can we can figure that out. You too bet and how quickly you
lost that one. Are you bad at gambling?
I'm. Going to I learned my lesson on
that one and I'm going to actually advocate for myself
this time and for the pod. So think about we can figure we
can do that on the next recording.
We can tell the audience what they need to do to get me to
grow my beard X length. I got I'm sorry.

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Thing and then we can start. Oh, I have more music news, but.
Shit. Go.
Yeah, go. Sorry, I just interrupted it.
Do your thing. You big K pop guy, you.
Know what? No, but I do enjoy K.
Pop K BTS Massive K Pop band. Apparently, they've been without
all seven members for a while because Korea has mandatory.
South Korea has mandatory military service.

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So the big news is all seven members have now completed their
mandatory military service and BTS is back together, baby.
All seven of them back in the saddle.
So big news in the K pop world. Let's see.
We also have. Did you know I just found this
out. Did you know that marshmallow
like the. Yeah, the helmetronic artist.
His name's Chris Something. He has a new band that's like a

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pop punk band and they just put out their first single.
All right, what's the name of that?
Name of the band is under Brook.Oh, not a bad name.
Are we going to do a real time critique here?
Yeah, play it so that everybody could hear it.
Yeah, good. To know those ready words

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instead, we're all for. Show looks like they got 2
songs. Heads up, is the original the
other one's? The other one's?
I don't know what that is. A cover, I think.
I love you, I'm sorry. There's a live cover and then
heads up is the song. Yeah.
I wonder which one is Marshmallow, the guy in the
middle? That's a great question.

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It's pop punk, all right. Yeah.
It sounds like 2010 pop punk, right?
I love you. I'm sorry which has 35,000
streams on Spotify. It says it's a live cover, but a
live cover of what is this? I have no idea, dude.

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I'm not. I'm not some kind of
marshmallow. Man.
I love you. I'm sorry.
It's a Gracie Abrams song. OK, so.
And they're covering that one and then Heads Up is their song.
And Heads Up is their song, and it sounds like all time low pop
punk, yeah. This is a perfect segue into
today's theme this, but I have to tell you a quick story that I

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don't think I told on the last episode.
Did I tell you that I lost my Airpods and I'm I'm on a new.
No, you didn't. It's my own fault.
I can't I can't take any kind ofI can't blame anybody.
Lost my Airpods, left them sitting on a table in Mall of
America. But I have find my aunt so I
literally know what house they're in in Minnesota.
Like I don't know who took them but I can literally see the

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address of the house and find myof where my air pods are.
And if you live in 4124 Lady Slipper Rd. in Lake Elmo, MN at
55042 could you give me back my fucking air pods?
Because that would be pretty cool.

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And what else is cool is that I can play the sound because the
find my is still on. So every day once or twice a
day. I lost them June 10th, so for 11
days the sound has been going off.
Oh. You've been ringing that thing,
you've been dinging that thing. Oh, for sure.
And like I did all the stuff that said like if lost notifying
the thing and that has my phone number.

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Hey, give me a call. I left these in Mall of America.
You have my Earpods. He's got them.
They've got them. I shouldn't assume genders.
They have my Earpods. They're in this person's house
on Lady Slipper Lane in Minnesota and I want to show up
at the door so bad, so bad. Do I want to show up at that
door? You should just pop in there,
take them back. Let me ask you, so you, you got

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new air pods then you didn't go wired?
A lot of people are going back to Wired.
Now pass. No way.
Earbuds. I don't, I don't mind an air
pod. I got wonky ears, my ear holes
are weird, so it's tough for me to get an air pod that fits.
It's time for me to get a wireless headphone that fits the
way I want it to, and I'll even change my earpod tips to the

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little phone guys. Yeah, and it's the best thing
I've found so far. Well, I hope.
I hope she's listening or he's listening. 124 Lady Slipper Rd.,
Lake Elmo, MN 55042 That's wheremy Earpods are at right now as
of 16 minutes ago. And what's crazy is like I've
Google image searched the house,you know, obviously like why

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not? I'm going to post it on the
fucking Instagram. I'm not sure it would.
So I've googled the house and it's a fucking mansion.
The last thing you need is my fucking Airpods.
They don't. They don't need your Airpods.
They don't. Need my airpods that's.
Probably why they're not hearingthe pinging going off.
They're probably in bedroom number.
Seven in a different they're probably in different quarters
of the house. Yes, exactly.

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Let's record a podcast. Yeah.
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How to? Make.
Mix. All right, our guest this week
is back-to-back weeks of justicethe homies of mine, which is
exciting. Dorian Cook is on the pod this
week. Dorian, I know you threw just
like Pete. I know you threw soccer and
Liverpool fandom and then that friend group.
But we also we've also shared a lot of old band stories and warp

(19:25):
tour stories and things. You were you were AI mean, still
are a guitar player, but you were in some pretty decent sized
bands, right? You were in broadside.

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You were in never kept and I think there's more as
well. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that was that those are yeah, those are the 2 for sure.

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And it was a really cool time tobe able to experience those
things and, and we're grateful for the time that was there.
But yeah, it, it, it was a really cool.
I know where I remember talking about like how hot that that
situation was and how, how crazyjust being able to like step on
a, you know, a platform where everybody like, you've been

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dreaming about that since you were a kid.
You see stuff and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, cool, I
get to be a part of it instead of, you know, watch them from
the stands. And yeah, that's right.
And because you, I remember you said that you had a similar
experience as well. Yeah, I mean, we weren't nearly
as big as you, but like just plain Warped Tour and just the
the hecticness of it and the heat of it and like the weird
family backyard BBQ vibe, you know, behind quote UN quote

(20:50):
behind stage or whatever. Yeah, dude, like crazy times.
I didn't know because it's not like I sit around Googling my
friends, but I didn't know neverkept was on epitaph.
Is that right? Is that did I read that?
Yeah, that's right, dude. That's insane.
And then Broadside was on victory.
Yeah, which is that was, that's a, that's a whole journey in and
of itself just being signed to victory, but.

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That just made Don real happy. Yeah.
For. Sure was.
Was Tony just the coolest as ever?
From from victory, he's insane. He like he he's, he is very.
How do I phrase this? He's very eccentric.
You don't have to be diplomatic,by the way.
Yeah. He's very Tony's not listening.

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Oh. He's not.
Yeah. He's not listening.
No, Tony's not listening. He's very, he's very eccentric.
He's very like he. He seems like the type of of
human being that Red 5, you knowhow to get on top books like he
he read, you know, rich dad, poor dad and and then two

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others. And then he was like, I know how
to run a business and just like try to rule with an iron fist
type of mentality. I guess it kind of worked.
But like he he was just very weird.
Walk into a room and be like, how's everybody doing?
And like shake everyone's hands.Super biggers, like we good, we
good, We're going to be big, we're going to be huge.
Here's a piece of gum for you and just walk away.
We're like, what the fuck was that?
Who is that? Who is that is that cartoon
character? That's crazy, this.

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Fucking guy, Yeah. He's very interesting The.
Lore of Tony and Victory Recordslooms hard.
In Chicago That's right you are from Chicago.
I forgot about Yeah, he's an interesting I the amount of
stories that I've heard like third party like like through
someone else that. Everyone has heard.
Is so crazy, like just like he like I heard that like his house

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is just a giant open warehouse compound type of shit.
And I was just like what? OK.
And, you know, it just kind of adds to like, the war of who
that human being is. And yeah, he's I.
Mean. He's fucking crushed it.
I mean, if you talk about the bands that he broke, he fucking
crushed. Yeah, he did.
I think it's interesting becausehe it did work.

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Technically it did work and and but there are some stipulations
in some of those contracts that aren't super inducive to artists
like. You don't say that's.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what he's known
for, right? That's those bad contracts.
Yeah. I I don't like I I'm.
Good friends with. I don't want to, you know, don't

(23:21):
give too many details away, but like I'm friends with one of the
bands that was like a pretty decent size on there.
They sold 500,000 copies of the record.
And you do the math on that in like 2005 or 2006 and in like
it's that's a lot. They were getting radio play and
all this stuff and, and, you know, because so Tony's raking
in millions of dollars and they were like, hey, so like, we're

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still broke. What's the deal?
What's happening? And then he brought them on like
his yacht and then gave them each a check for $5000.
And like, they're like, fuck you.
They got sick like you know. Dude, that's, that's what I was
hoping for. Those kind of stories, those
kind of victory stories. Yeah, it's like that.

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That's a big one. I've known a few bands from from
that label. You know what's insane though,
is they they've called, they cultivated so many entire emo
wave in the early 2000s. They they were.
Like the? The mainstay in that like you
had Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, you know, all the way
up until like Hawthorne Heights and like.

(24:25):
So yeah. Like had.
So many staples under that roof and it's crazy to think that.
You know. They came from an environment
like that. He was really smart.
They were. Diverse too.
They had a bunch of like metal core and hard.
They had straight up hardcore bands and stuff like I'd like
the Chicago hardcore scene and punk scene and stuff.
And like they he. Was really smart.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was really smart.
He did the street team thing really well.
Don, were you ever a victory record St. team?
I was not. But I had plenty of friends at
work because it was free. You literally just submitted a
thing and they started sending you free shit posters.
Boxes of samplers. Back in the day.
Just for boxes of victory shit just showing up and like, you
know, T-shirts and like he gave it all out, you know, like,

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yeah, you didn't have to do anything to do it.
I mean, I think my. My high school band like we were
also all on the street team for like victory fueled by ramen
Asian man drive through. It was like anybody who had an
open policy, it's just free shit.
And to your point on we, it's not like we were keeping like we
would keep some stuff for herself, but like you give all
that shit out. What do I need?

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What do I need 50 samplers for? I'm going to go give them to
everybody in my school, like, right.
Yeah, that was a really. Smart shit they did back then.
St. teams are gone. That's just gone now.
Yeah, that's non existent. And you know how they were able
to like send a bunch of free stuff out is they built their
entire warehouse into this random building in downtown
Chicago, but they incorporate anentire half of that property to

(25:54):
screen printing. So all of the merch that that
was on the store, like they had all of their stuff in house.
They didn't third party are all of their their merchandise.
So they would just like, oh, St.team take like 50 free things
because we can make it in 5 minutes for like $0.25 a
freaking thing because they stock so much stuff.
I would I would wear. The Victory Crew neck right now.
Unapologetically Great logo too.Bulldog.

(26:17):
Yeah, Bulldog. Look a great.
Fucking great look. Yeah, Yeah.
I would. I would wear it on ironically
now too, just because it's far enough in the past where I can.
I'm like, all right, at least I got out of the contract.
Yeah. There you go.
The answer? Is going to be yes to this, I'm
sure Have you ever just googled yourself Dorian?
Yeah sure. So what 1 fun thing as you I'm
sure know is you're not the onlymusician that comes up under

(26:39):
Dorian Cook. There's a there's a famous oboe
player and her name is Dorian Cook spelled the spelled the
same. Everybody can go listen to her
on Spotify as well. But the Wikipedia under Dorian
Cook. Have you ever looked at that?
No, no, I think so. So it's.
It's one, it's one line and I'm just going to read you guys the
line Dorian Cook spelled the same as yours Wikipedia, which

(27:01):
means we need to get you a Wikipedia page says Dorian Cook,
born Christmas Day 1916, passed away the 18th of September 2005,
was a poet, MI6 operative and head of Yugoslavian section of
the BBC. I don't.
Think that's right? What a life that.
Is what a life that person so much cooler?

(27:21):
Than my life. Holy cow, they were a poet.
And an MI 6 operative. How do you even be both?
Of them. That's crazy.
Well, Raul? Dahl was who wrote Charlie and
Chocolate Factory and and all that stuff.
He was AMI 5 operative, didn't he?
Was a spy. Yeah, I have heard.
That, that's crazy, man. That's nuts.
All right, well, I just found that funny.
I'm like, I mean, it's it, it's most it's pretty much all old

(27:43):
photos of you that I also enjoyed when I googled your
name. Just young Dorian because I've
only known you for a couple years now.
So I know current Dorian. So seeing that's something that
I don't have to worry about. You can't find the 2002 era
photos of me on the Internet. Those are gone.
Thankfully yours. You're like 2015 photos of you

(28:03):
are still heavy on the Internet but you look great.
I'm still. Trying to good looking guy.
Yeah, yeah, you look great. I thanks you.
I appreciate it. I do I.
Don't. Think Don, if you could hook me
up. With any old photos around, that
would be fantastic. I will link after this.
Yeah. Oh, Don, actually.
Might have them. I didn't have bangs.
Dude, you had bangs. I had a faux hawk.

(28:24):
I had a faux no, I had AI did the faux hawk thing.
Faux hawk. OK, for sure.
Faux hawk, simple plan style faux like, yeah, yeah, like Good
Charlotte era faux hawk. Like that was my like 2002, 2000
3 primetime for sure. That's good.
Sure, Dorian. You want to tell the listeners
what the theme of today's mix tape is?
Yeah. All right.
So the theme of today is the best songs from the year of

(28:48):
2009. Now we're.
We're bringing it back to the best of best of the year.
I want this year so bad. He's wanted another best of year
so bad. The first one was fun.
And it was a good mixtape and it's just a good recurring
theme. You know, there's a lot of years
out there to choose from. I don't know if you guys knew
this, but there's a lot of years.
What during he first came to. Me with 1963 and I was like,

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Nah, Dorie knows I. Went to him with 1963.
That's what the random number dude, there's some great music.
Great music for sure is good. I'm gonna put up a poll, Don.
I'm gonna put up a poll on this episode and see if people people
want us to do an old year too. And not just.
How about this? How about?
You put up the poll. If they would pick 1963 or 2009,
well, that's irrelevant. Now, because we've done 2009,

(29:33):
it's fine, but I'm saying. If they had their preference.
If 2009 wins then you have to grow out your beard.
Yes. Well, no, because then.
They're just going to vote for it for the beard.
See that you can't I'm I'm learning my lesson, Don.
I think that we not how this take that approach.
Not how this? Works.
That is politics. Right there.
That's good. How do you?
How do you how hard was this Dorian and so it?

(29:54):
Was slight. It was difficult in a in a
certain sense, like it's honestly, there's a great, a lot
of great singles that came out this year.
And I think more so of the fact that it, it was an interesting
year in America. Everyone's kind of like reeling
from the collapse of like the housing crisis.
And I feel like that reflects sostrongly in a lot of the song

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choices because it was a lot like, if you look at like the
hot Billboard singles or whatever, it's like Ke$ha's
crush in it. Everyone's talking about we're
dying young and all this stuff and like let's live for tonight
and a lot of dance music. And it's kind of like a hey,
let's just not think about the fact that we're all like losing
our 401 KS and stuff like that. On the other side of that, it
was a slightly difficult becausein 2009 I was a freshman in high

(30:40):
school, so I my periphery for like good music was very
limited. You had your lane and you.
Were staying there, that's right.
Exactly. That's the way.
High. School works.
For sure, yeah. There's a.
There's an. Actual there's well, there's two
things here. There's an actual thing called
recession pop, which is that popmusic flips whatever the

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economic status of an area is. So recession pop.
So like during the recession 2008, all the pop music started
being major key dance stuff. It's like everything's sad,
everyone's depressed, and it just naturally starts to turn
into, so let's make music happy,let's make music fun.
And then in like really great economic times, it reverses and
everything's in a minor key and everybody's like in their

(31:20):
feelings and stuff because they don't have to worry about the
outside world. So they start worrying about
their own emotions and stuff. It's like a real thing.
There's like a whole like vice thing on it, which is pretty
interesting, but. Where you think like, Rod can
just pull shit out of the air and be like, this is a real
thing, Recession Pop's a real thing.
It's like, yeah, he made that up.
Well, I didn't make that up, youcan Google it, but I do know

(31:42):
about 10% of the facts behind itand I'm sure I'm sure I 10%,
roughly 10. Percent of the Yeah, yeah,
you're. No, it's, it's very true.
And because it's like, you know,there's a distraction element to
it and there's also, you know, you, I like it when humans get
pressed, you know, in really dire times, like you're kind of
forced to just like get let the steam out, you know, let let

(32:02):
your hair down and just like enjoy something for a minute.
It's very, it's almost like apocalyptic in the, in the
certain sense that, yeah. And now we're back in that.
Thing I just had this conversation yesterday with some
2 days ago with someone, but like you're going to see when
we're already seeing it, but you're going to see political
punk on the comeback again rightnow because in the US like Bush
era stuff, not to that level, that's not to that level hard

(32:26):
during the first. One which is gnarly.
It didn't, but I'm starting. To see it happen this time, I
think people are OK, cool. You know, I'm starting to hear
more political stuff happening. But I mean, it was dude.
Bush. You remember that, Don?
The Bush, you probably remember that too.
George W era, like all the fat record compilations, all the
like. Not my president stuff like so
much. Let me play the let.

(32:46):
Me play the Let me play the Mixtape guidelines.
All right, you got to open with the killer track.
Each song should flow smoothly into the next.
The mixtape should have a good balance of genres, tempos, and
moods. The mixtape should tell a story
or convey a specific emotion. It can't be too obvious, but
can't be too obscure either. You can't double up on songs by
the same artist, and the closingtrack should leave a lasting
impression. You can make throw a.
Reverb on it and make it sound more like a WWE intro, but yeah,

(33:11):
go do. That OWO.
Like an announcer. I like that.
Maybe re recording like. This.
Like that maybe I kind of like. That it's y'all show all right,
all right, Dory, and you want togo first, second or third in the
rotation. I have no I guess.
Last, because I, I, I or you know what?
Maybe maybe first, because I'm I'm going to ask no if you if

(33:32):
you want my. Opinion This is an episode to go
first because I think there's a good chance for some steals,
right? Because you can't have the same
artist. So like, there's a good chance
you're going to want to pick something and somebody else will
pick it first. I would suggest going first.
So all right, OK. So it's it's you.
It's going to be you, me and Don, in that order.
And and all right, and this is so I also so I don't get in it
like super intimidated by else probably like really cool

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choices. That's really sick.
But, and, and trust me, and, and, and again, I want to prep
for, for listeners, I'd like to add the caveat that I was in 9th
grade in high school for this first pick specifically because
I'm afraid of a yellow or a red card.
I don't want to get thrown out so early.
Hell yeah, Yeah. So my first pick is going to be

(34:18):
Fireflies by Owl City. No, it's.

(34:44):
The right call. OK, it's a good thing.
Yeah. But it goes.
It's absolutely the right call. It goes with the theme.
That I have going, but I when you listen to that that that
that song came out and it exploded everywhere.
And it was an interesting time because like electronica and it
will I guess synth heavy leaningbands were popular, but you
didn't really have one that was super influenced by pop punk and

(35:08):
like blink. He loves Blink 182 and you know,
children's rhymes here and therebecause I re listened into the
record last night and it's holdsup.
It's so good. And I think it was like that was
an interesting first time. You get to hear that influence
put into a very synth driven musical act because he's had
great records before that. But that song is very indicative
of what we were talking about before.

(35:30):
Like you're like it's everything's a dream and let's
just you know, everything's great and nice and let's just
distract ourselves for a minute kind of thing.
So there was a massive. Wave of this Owl City.
Did it? Independently, there were no
members of Owl City that were inbands that evolved into the
synth heavy power pop. Of Owl City.

(35:52):
But there were bands where it was like they were a pretty pop
punky band, maybe even a little bit heavier pop punk.
And then shit broke and everybody added a synth player
and everybody added major chordsto their music and it became
this big wave in 2009 of happy pop, power pop, synth pop, Yeah,
I agree. You can almost categorize like 4

(36:13):
years strong early, four years strong stuff into that stuff.
Yeah, but for sure, absolutely, I've always.
I think it's even come up on this podcast before where I've
shit on Owl City a little bit, but I'm going to say something
nice. The only reason I shit it's not
to be mean, it's just because it's especially fireflies is OK.
I'll say the mean thing and thenhe'll say the nice thing.
The mean thing is this always just sounded like Postal Service
cosplay to me. It's like it even sounded like

(36:36):
he was trying to write Ben Gibbard lyrics.
On the other hand though, he crushed it with it because the
lyrics are actually fantastic and this is a catchy as hell
song. And this probably bigger than
any Postal Service song too. Oh dude, this.
Song has stayed. Relevant.
For so fun yes, like it like people are still listening to
this shit, but you guys are. Right.

(36:56):
Like he does sing it a little more like in that pop you can
tell you listen to pop punk and stuff.
So it's got that edge to it a little bit that the the where
Postal Service has the indie rock element, this has a little
bit of like the underground rockscene element to it.
Yeah. And I would argue that on that,
like as far as like those power poppy vibes go, like, and I
would argue that they're probably better songs than that

(37:20):
on the record. But I think it's, it's such a
staple. And like you hear that intro and
you're like it, It's very iconicfor the time, even though it's
very, I don't know, they're whimsical.
It's it's such a whimsical thing, but it's it's it's cool
in its own right. I think 10 million.
Monthly listeners still. 10 million monthly listeners still.

(37:44):
Still put on music. Right.
They put on a new album in 2023.I mean, you definitely hit your
peak with that one. So I almost.
There's this other song that I almost picked that I think fits
in the genre too. And then I didn't because I it
came out in 2000. The version that's famous came
out in 2009, but it originally came out in 2008, so I didn't
pick it, but Sleepyhead by Passion Pit is like that's the

(38:05):
kind of pick it because I. Fucking picked it for the
airplane mix tape. Well, that's I.
Would have referenced it, so there we go.
Fucking. Remember.
Damn it, Rod. Hey, it came out in 2008.
So it doesn't matter, but that'sthe same.
It's this, this kind of like, I feel like this is that same
genre. It's like this like indie India
as an independent, not India's like indie rock India is like
independent dude in his bedroom making like really fun

(38:28):
electronic pop with like the tinge of like I grew up
listening to punk rock and stuff.
So I think that's both of those guys.
It's good for the solid first pick.
I don't know you. You need to not be embarrassed
by your picks that I'm we're going to.
This is 2009, man. Yeah, but it is what it is.
That's really your age. Your age doesn't matter.
We did 1987. I was 4 so well, it's like I

(38:50):
could. Go back and listen to a ton of
songs from that time and be like, Hey, what what was good
here? I want to like re listen to new
stuff, but I was so enthralled with music at that point in my
life that I was like, it makes more sense to just pick some
things that I really was passionate about at that time
just because like I again, my periphery at at whatever 14 was

(39:12):
wide but thin, if that makes sense.
Yeah. Good call.
Good first. Pick.
I'm my first pick. I'm going day and night.
Kid Cudi Day. And night, night, the loneliest
owner seems to freeze. Mine these.
All the lonesome things will never change.

(39:34):
The lonely loner seems to freeze.
Slow MO. Damn this album.
Blew up and I was in my I think I was in my third year of
working at the mall at this point, maybe fourth year.
And so this was heavy rotation heavy rotation and it was the

(39:58):
greater and I'm going to say I'mgoing to bring it up now so we
don't have to talk about it anymore.
But this was like that greater yay verse, like Kanye verse that
he had started at the time, likehe started to bring another
artist and stuff and like we don't have to talk about him
anymore. But like I'm.
Glad Kid Cudi happened because this record's great.
And that that dude, separate from that other person, just
seems like a legitimately awesome dude.

(40:19):
Like everything I've ever read about Kid Cudi or heard about
Kid Kid Cudi or interviews with Kid Cudi, that dude just seems
like so genuinely nice and creative.
And what was the show he? Went on.
He wanted to be on an HBO show because it was like a pretty big
musical peak and then a quick valley, right?
He didn't do much after this. He's still putting out albums.
And stuff, but like nothing cameclose to getting this big, if

(40:41):
that's what you mean. Like he's still putting out
music now Like he did he did Manon the Moon like 2 and Man on
the Moon 3 and I think there were other records there too.
But I mean nothing was nothing was this by any means.
So I think he does act. He was in a show about.
Denim HBO, yeah, interesting. There was like some big show.
It was it was kind of what was the fucking?

(41:03):
It was kind of Entourage adjacent where like he rolled
with a group of people and had something to do with it.
Denim, I want to say it was called How to Make It in
America, could be making that interesting.
Yeah, I mean he he put an album last year in Sano full length,
9th, his ninth full length. So yeah.
And he has a, he has a pretty like aggressively dedicated fan

(41:24):
base that I've learned among like Gen.
Z too, which is cool. So his newer stuff must be
relevant to them as well. To me, it's it's this record.
This record was fantastic. It was everywhere, you know,
and, and I had a few singles on it like it.
It wasn't just day and night, itwas pursuit.
Of happiness. Wow, pursuit.

(41:45):
Of happiness. Was great too.
I was I was right by. The way it is called, How to
Make it in America, he was in the show, and it is about denim.
That's about like the New York Fashion scene.
I can't believe I stored that somewhere in there.
Yeah. Day and night's the jam that
like, electronic like. Do do do.
Do do. Do do do do do do do do do See,
I want to dance. Yeah, we got it.

(42:05):
It's such. A yeah, we got.
It's iconic. I love this.
Album This album was great and also.
His voice is so unique, like when he does use it to sing,
it's got He has so much character in a lot of his
vocals. I think that when he does
utilize those moments, so I do singing, it's very it's has so
much character. It has it's, it's like round and

(42:26):
and thick and you can hear a lotof the for sure.
I think he's one of those rappers that actually raps with
melody too. Like, you know, there's, there's
actual like there's melodies behind the the rapping portion
of his songs too, which some, some rappers do, some don't.
But he he does, he leans into that a lot.
So there we go day and night. Great call.
OK, I will spice it up a bit. In my opinion probably.

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Now I'm not going to say one of the but a really fucking cool
super group. Really cool super group is Them
Crooked Vultures. Yep.
And then the song I picked is New Fang.

(43:21):
And it came. In the wake of what?
Why the fuck am I blinking on the band right now?
It came in the wake of the. Stone Age.
Yeah, for sure. And it, it was just cool.
But I mean, it just kind of, it was like a drop in the pan, you
know, like it was here and then gone.
And it would have been really cool if there was more of it,
but I think it was exactly what it needed to be.

(43:43):
Had it been around for longer than the One Album?
It had potential to go South if they kept doing it.
So that's why I think that they did the right thing with doing
the one album. And then it was like, Yep, this
was a fun project. We're going to put out the one
album. That's exactly what we needed to
do at the time, and then we're done.
I think that was the appropriatecall.
I agree. I think any more than one album
would have just wouldn't fit what this was.

(44:05):
I was, Yeah. I mean, you know me, I'm a big
Dave Grohl guy, and I was big Queens of Stone Age guy, and I
was also a big Led Zeppelin guy.So this is yeah.
That was all. About this and like the.
Band sounds like all of them yeah well like it's like you can
absolutely hear every bit of every artist that's in this band
and the influences that they brought into that and I think
that's pretty cool for a a a super group to do that and have

(44:29):
it sound the way it does I completely.
Agree. And I, I do remember hearing
that at the time too, people saying that or maybe some of the
like the critic or reviews of itwere like this just sounds like
you took those 3 bands that these guys were.
Yeah, and and blended them together and it works.
So I never liked the album art for this but it's felt a little
on on the nose to me but. That's just a.

(44:51):
That's just. An opinion you can.
Leave it. Leave that opinion.
Great album. Great album, great song.
I picked new Fang. It's the it's the it's the kind
of the single off the album. I guess if if you had to say
that this album had a single, it's but it's it's what?
You said it's that example. Like it sounds like Dave, we're
on the drums. As soon as those drums kick in,
you're like, that's Dave, we're on the drums.
And as soon as the guitar kicks in, you're like, oh, that's Josh

(45:11):
homie on guitar. 100% Josh Homieon guitar.
And even the baseline. Sounds like 100%.
John Paul Jones. John Paul Jones, Yeah, for.
Sure. So that was why I picked this

(45:31):
one and again, 2009 with a cool time to do it as well.
Like everybody's in a good spot.I feel like all them dudes are
doing OK, you know, riding the High.
It's a good album, a good track that could have come out.
Whenever it doesn't sound 2009 which is good for them to good
on them or does it? Or does it sound 2009 to you?
It sounds pretty 2000. 9 to me does it to you OK.

(45:53):
Yeah, it totally. Does like I feel like that
sounds it sounds like the end ofit sounds like going into 2010
and then the next thing when everything got what was like the
big theme of all the music of 2010, everything became like
club jams in 2010 Yeah, everything was a club jam
Pitbull like T pain fucking voidable in 2010 so like when

(46:17):
everything became like very clubjams.
Yeah. I think that this was very 2009.
Hey so. Far not so you know, toot our
own horn here, but we've got some electronic, we've got some
hip hop and we've got some just down the middle of rock'n'roll
going on. I mean so far my pick because.
Of that because of that, OK. Yes, don't get me.
Wrong. I have.
I have plenty of electronic 2009music, but I picked them at

(46:38):
Vultures first to avoid that. All right, Dorian Pick. #2 OK.
So pick #2 I have I have wait list by all time low.
Man, it's not my weekend. But.
It's going to be my year and I'mso sick of watching while I'm in

(47:02):
as fast as I go nowhere and thisis my reaction, everything I
feel. Again, I don't want to yell out
and it's it's pop. It was a popular song, but it
was like weightless by all time Low was interesting in 2009
because at least for for me personally, I was struggling to

(47:24):
find bands that sounded like Blink 182 just to like blink 182
stopped. And then everybody was like
digging around like, OK, where is the Charlotte Shore?
Simple plan. Sure.
And then you start digging deeper and you find like older
bit, you know, older bands like all on Jawbreaker that a little
bit on the harsher side and thenyou go to the newer side too.

(47:45):
And I'm afraid, at least for me,frantically trying to fill the
void that blink breaking up leftand all time low came out with
dear Maria two years before, I think, and I didn't know about
them. And the first time that I heard
about them was weightless and weightless falls right into that
2009. Like we're all hanging out and

(48:05):
partying and it's in. Isn't this fun?
And like it's, it's so like encapsulating in a way where
it's like having really pop punkchorus followed with like, you
know, some like heavy chugging guitars.
Obviously there's more heavy stuff out there, but I feel like
that was such a cool song for that time because it was.

(48:28):
It's kind of like a tiny little bridge in between the pop club
jams that were starting to emerge in 2009 and like being a
really high, like kicking their foot in the door a little bit
for like that one tier underneath the radio scene at
the time. Yeah, I thought that was a a
cool song. That was that was one of my

(48:50):
favorites back in the Dizzy. This is one of those songs.
That I feel like is produced perfectly for its time.
Like they have done such. A good job of making every
single girl want to listen to that dude's voice and also every
dude being stuck on a chuggy guitar.
Like you have perfectly melded the production of All Time Low
in that song where it's like every girl wants to see that

(49:13):
dude with his cute swoopy rod banks and every guy is hoping
that that dude will do spin kicks while he plays his Chucky
guitars. Speaking of his.
His sexy swoopy bangs. I was that movie life head
automatica show I went to recently in Baltimore.
He was there, Alex was there. Just.
For the watching the show. It still has some semblance of
swoopy banks. Same haircut.

(49:34):
Yeah, so they actually came out with a single recently, I think
in that like, Sucker punch, Sucker punch.
Yeah, Swoopy bangs are hanging on real strong.
Yeah, First off. Dorian no yellow card.
This is a 2 that best this is a 2009 episode and that's came out
in 2009. So what?
What would you get a yellow cardfor?
Hey man, secondarily. You don't have.
To defend your musical taste, man, this band is huge.
They're still getting over 8 million monthly listeners, dude.

(49:57):
It's not like you're picking some like crazy obscure, you
know? You're not you're not Jason.
You're not being Jason over here.
Well, my next well. No spoiler, my next pick is
TikTok by Ketchup. So no, I'm joking.
I'm joking. Well.
I mean actually. Actually, it would be as it
could be. Actually, I said that as a joke,
but now? That I think about it, it's not
a bad one. Sorry.

(50:19):
The first. The 1st 15 seconds of that song
don't bode well for right now, but.
Somebody does want to pick it. I'm so glad I didn't write that.
Down, holy cow. No, it's a great pick dude.
And like this was Don and I are of of similar age where like I
don't know about you Don, but like I was still listening to
punk rock and stuff in 2009, butI was kind of out of my finding

(50:41):
new pop punk band face. Like I would still listen to NFG
and Blink, but I wasn't looking for new pop punk.
But this was my sister's era, somy sister was into all time low,
my sister's into Bayside stuff like like, so I this was around
me. I remember my sister listening
to this stuff and you know, I'm sure at the time I was like,
this just sounds like angry punk.
Roderick was probably like, thisis just a RIP off of the stuff I

(51:01):
listen to. But the stuff I listen to is
just a RIP off of the pop punk that came before it.
So it's all just lineage and it's not RIP off.
It's they're doing their own thing and Don's right.
It's like a great mix of like, hey, this is heavy enough to be
cool for me, but like Poppy enough and he's cute enough for
my girlfriend to listen to it too.
So I could see like, you know, 18 to 24 year old people loving

(51:23):
this stuff in 2009. I just never really got into all
time low, so I don't know much about them.
I know, dear Maria, because you can't avoid that.
You really can't get away. From it, but I, it's, you know,
I think that they're, they're inspiring for our like, not that
our generations are that, you know, far apart or anything, but
like for my group of friends andlike, it was so inspiring

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because they're just playing popstuff like like take off your
pants and jacket type of stuff from blink and they're making a
little more poppy shore, but it's fun.
It's like going to the beach. And it's the story of like these
four guys that met in high school and just became a
sensation and you can see them growing.
This was like the first time they start becoming like really,

(52:06):
really big. And like we were inspired by
that because we started playing in bands at like 14.
So we like, it was interesting to see them doing it like right,
we're like, that's right over there.
That's they grew up in Baltimoreand they met in high school
because one dude was wearing a face to face shirt.
And that's it. And then it just the story, I
think also ties into why I like that band so much.

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Nice. Solid pick.
No no. My turn.
My turn. There was this thing happening
in 2009, 2008, 2009 which was like post punk meets indie rock
meets elements of folk, folk rock and there's like all these
bands popping up. I just picked the song from that
kind of genre that I I like the most, but I could have gone with

(52:47):
like 5 different bands. The song I'm choosing is Local
Natives Wide Eyes. And I.

(53:17):
Absolutely love this song, but it was that like this was the
year of grizzly bear and local natives were out there doing
their thing and like rat a tat and.
Animal Collective. Stuff like that.
Broken Bells? Who's?
Yeah, well, so this. Started so this turned into I
think the full on folk indie thing.
But at this time it was like elements of like it was elements

(53:39):
of post punk. So like the kind of like faster
guitar stuff. Then they slowed it down and
brought in some other shit folk elements and stuff like that.
And then you got bands like this.
So like, I, I feel like there's so much of this stuff like
around this time, like, you know, even even that would fall
into this. Well, grizzly bear.
Big time. So grizzly bear real estate,

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Broken Bells to a bit. They're a little more electronic
Rah, rah riot. Like I, I almost went with two
weeks by grizzly bear because that song was bigger for sure.
I mean that's a massive song. You know, 1/3 of a billion plays
on Spotify for an indie band is,is wild.
So but you know, I don't want togive away.
I don't want to keep naming bands because somebody else
could have have something. But like, this was a thing and

(54:23):
this was a thing I was into at the time, I, I was listening to
a lot of this. Like I was fresh out of college.
So I was, I feel like my for good, for better or for worse.
Like I was trying to listen to more diverse music and I was
getting into different kinds of underground stuff.
And this was this was on a big come up.
So I think it was like a reaction to like the ultra indie

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stuff like Death Cab and the Shins that had gotten huge
before this. So but this is just a jam to
like people haven't listened to Local Natives.
They're really good, but especially wide Eyes like oh
great song, not gonna lie. Spotify says 2010.
Well, this album came. Out in 2009.
I'm just saying Spotify. Says 2010 Local.

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Natives debut album Gorilla Manor 2009 Do you have a day?
Do I have a day? Yeah, well.
Actually, I do. November 2nd, 2009.
Buzzer Reader. Right in before the close boom.
It's. Interesting that you say this
one Rod, because like, do you have more to say before I go for

(55:27):
anything you want to say? No, I had a really hard time
finding artists that came out in2009.
Like this is a new artist or a new band or somebody new that I
was exposed to. And then the further I dug into
it, every band that I was like, oh, fucking this band released
an album in 2009. The album kind of sucked.
Like it Nobody released my favorite album in 2009.

(55:52):
Like nobody put like nobody put out their best work in 2009.
In my opinion there there was a lot.
Of that, I actually would agree.I would agree with that.
But the two, the two that in this genre that came up, that
came out in 2009 were Local Natives.
So this is on their first record, which is my favorite,
but it's not their biggest. And Real Estate came out in
2009, which that's not their best record.

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Their second record was way, waybetter than their first.
First record's fine, but you're not wrong.
Like, you know, Grizzly Bears biggest album came out in 2009,
but they put out their first record in like 2003 or 2004 or
something. Like, yeah, like nobody was
jumping on the scene this year. Not, not nobody, but not a lot
of bands were like, jumping on the scene this year.
Right. So.

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So you're not you're not wrong. Yeah.
Here's what this is. Kind of what's going to walk me
through to my next choice. OK, OK, One of the biggest
sophomore slumps and like kind of downhill.
You had say anything that put out is a real boy in 2005, and
that album was probably that's aMount Rushmore album for its

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genre for sure. Nobody can fuck with his A Real
boy. It isn't.
It's a brilliant, beautifully written, incredible album.
And then in defense of a genre came out in 2007 and it was like
whoop. That is good.
Not even close. And then the self-titled came
out in 2009 and it's like this. I don't even want to listen to
this anymore at all, but in 2009two tongues came out.

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And two tongues. Was Max Bemis and Chris Conley
and the song is Crawl. From the two tongues.

(57:47):
Album. Because I'm going to say it
wasn't really new music, all right, but it wasn't really a
new band, but it kind of was. But it was like fastball right
up the middle, exactly what you would want if you were a say
Anything fan. If you were a Saves the Day fan,
this is going to hit you right in the middle of what you would
like. And it does a great job of
blending those two bands. But because Say Anything fell
off so hard, this was like, OK, at least this is close.

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Were you? Were you A?
Big say anything fan, were you like?
Were you really into what is it Is a real boy?
Is a real boy? Yeah, I think like, I'll still
put that album on now, like not too terribly infrequently, you
know? And it's it's fucking perfect
from first track to last track like that is a an amazing album.
But everything since then has only been OK.

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So I. I don't know why I feel like I'm
being the -1 today, but I don't want to be.
I, I'm not the type of listener who usually is turned off by
somebody's voice. Like everybody has a few singers
that they just for whatever reason, do not like.
And I and I do too for the most part, though that's not a thing
for like, I'll listen to all kinds of bands with, with
straight up bad singers and still enjoy it.
But I had this conversation withEvan Thomas like a couple days

(58:53):
ago that I really hate Mineral because I can't not hate to Sue
Strong. I don't like the emo band
Mineral because I don't like thesinger.
It's not just his voice, it's the way he sings, it's his
cadence and all that stuff. That was always my thing with
Say Anything to like that dude, which I wanted to like 2 Tongues
so badly because you know how I feel about Saves the Day man so

(59:14):
I. Was like.
I wanted this so bad and I just could not get into it.
But I mean, I'll tell you what, Don, I haven't listened to this
since probably 2009. Honestly.
I'm going to listen to it right now and see if I changed my mind
like I said. Like I was so I rode so hard for
Israel Boy. That was such an incredible
album. So when this came out, like I
couldn't believe it that like this was the project that they
were doing. But then again, everything after

(59:37):
Israel Boy was only OK. It's such a cool.
Thing though, like I remember when this came out I was excited
about it and as an idea it's like, OK, you get the the front
men for two like incredibly massive like emo bands and they
do a project together like what a dope.
It's not you wouldn't even call it a super group because it's
not a group. It's just the two of them
basically writing a record. What an awesome idea.

(59:57):
Like I was stoked about this. So far I'm down with the song
Crawl because I'm listening. This is better than I remember
it. Like the groove to this sounds
like the same era of Saves the day to me.
Is this is this sound the alarm era saves the day?
Because this sounds like sounds the.
This sounds like sound the alarm.
OK, maybe I'm softening on the Alarm 2006.

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I'm softening. On my Max Bemis dislike, that's
this song. This song's a a jam.
Way to convert. Way to convert me.
Well done. Yeah.
It was a it was a hard. Song Dorian, do you have any?
Relationship with like say anything or saves a day or two
tongues well I I just. Remember, like discovering say
anything, you know, back in the day and you know that that first

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record that they did, I rememberdiscovering that and giving it a
playthrough and it's just Rod. It's interesting.
Like I I had a similar feeling about the vocals where I was
like, it's me, you know, I like that band and they're really,
really good. But there was like a, maybe like
a thinness to some of the tones on that.

(01:01:00):
And I that like, see, now I'm being, I'm the -1 you passed it
off to me, but like it. I always thought that that that
was an interesting like characteristic.
I didn't really like dive too far into them, but I did like
used to give them listens here and there and they would come up
on playlists a lot and they werereally good.
But I I never gave that the fulldive as I went to look up.

(01:01:23):
Years for some of the Saves the Day stuff.
So on The Alarm is 2006 and thenUnder the Boards is 2007.
So it would have been around then.
But as I looked this up I also saw the newest release on the
Saves the Day album track is Lullaby covers of Senses Fail
and Saves the Day songs. And it's legitimately like

(01:01:44):
Lullabies of Senses Fail and Saves the Day songs.
And Hollyhocks Forget me, that is a lullaby on here which is
fantastic dude. Got to send this to everybody we
know with kids. Yeah, no shit.
That's funny, Dorian and I saw. A saves a Day cover band dude in
at Christmas time. Do you remember that?
Yeah. Yeah, that was so, yeah, They're
really good, man. They were really good.

(01:02:05):
It was. It was who else there was.
A Saves a Day cover band, and that's right, the Get Up kids
that you were really stoked on that I remember and Bad
Religion. Yeah, yeah, it was a great idea.
So real quick shout out. So there's a.
Every and there anybody in this in this area should go to this.
So there's a thing here in Richmond called Punks for
presents. And what they do is twice a year
they organize a bunch of cover sets with with local bands.

(01:02:27):
So it's it's like punk, emo, hardcore cover sets.
So like there's like a descendants 1 and saves, you
know, whatever they do differentshows and all the money they
raise from those shows goes to buy toys and stuff for
children's hospitals because apparently those hospitals don't
actually provide that kind of stuff for the kids.
So it's dope. But they do two of them.

(01:02:47):
They do one around Christmas time every year.
They'll do like 5 or 6 full shows.
So there's probably 15 to 20 different bands do a different
cover sets and then they do one in July.
So they do the Christmas in July, which actually just saw
this morning the first set of that got announced story.
And there's like, it's like dissonance and rancid and stuff
like that, I think. But if you're in the Richmond
area and you don't know about that, you should go to the punk

(01:03:08):
punks for presents shows. They're dope.
But Dorian and I are wanting to get an AFI one together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in.
It's in the works. Oh, Dorian would sing.
Dorian, I would sing. You would sing, wouldn't?
You. I don't know if I can.
I mean, I get I could. I don't know if I could do like,
yeah, the really old Havoc stuff.

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I don't know. We would need a singer could.
Call all right for my. 3rd pick I'm trying to decide between
2:00 for the next pick. So I guess to go into like I was
thinking maybe slightly stay with the indie ish vibe that we
have going on a little bit. I was going to go Beach Baby by

(01:03:52):
Bonniver. Once a time, put a time and
you're near on the beach and your crust clean.

(01:04:17):
He he, that's. That was the first record, or I
guess it's EP, but that Bonnevarput out in 2009.
And like that was, I remember I didn't know anything about this
record whatsoever. And then I found out I'm like
most people my age about Bonnevar through the freaking

(01:04:39):
Twilight movies. Because you.
You hear that, Rosalind? Song and that guitar really is
the star of that song. So like I've started to like
dive into a lot of their stuff and this was such a cool single
from that record. It's it's, it's super short.
It's super sweet. It's really poetic and I I love
how airy and spacious that band can really make things.

(01:05:04):
And you can hear like strings and different orchestral
arrangements and, and it's really gorgeously done and yeah,
that was the first time I ever heard anything like that of like
it's yeah, that side of the indie world because there is
like, like, you know, Portugal.,The Man doing a little bit more
of like an upbeat thing in Indy.But this is I feel like at the
time, I'm sure there are other groups that were doing this at

(01:05:27):
this time that I'm unaware of, but it was such a cool standout
from everything else that was going on almost like a that
group in a in a general sense. I feel like it's such like an
exhale for a lot of, you know, tension as times in the in the
states versus, you know, going to versus catching.
Like it was such a cool other direction to deal with that.

(01:05:49):
Not, not, you know, in in subconsciously, I would say, but
it's a yeah, that that was that's my third.
I think I don't listen to a ton.Of Bonavar.
Have you guys seen him live? No, I'm.
Trying to translate does it? Does it?
Land Live because I like listening to his recordings and
the amount that I've listened to, which isn't a ton it's like

(01:06:12):
you kind of need to be at home you kind of need to be settled
in like I don't even know that Ilisten to this in the car you
know like you need to be settledin to kind of listen to this and
I'm wondering if it translates live I've.
Heard it does as like a communalexperience.
I know, I know multiple people who've gone to see him live and
said I think it's probably both like if you can, if you can kind
of focus in on your relationshipwith that music and just like

(01:06:33):
see, like if I feel like if you could isolate yourself in that
moment, it's probably super emotional experience.
But I I've heard other people say there's like a it's the
collective like catharsis of emotions vibe.
There's no way anybody goes to abona ver show and doesn't bawl
their fucking eyes out right? Yeah, I.
Do I think you're right though? I wonder if it does translate
because there's there's so many elements to it.

(01:06:54):
Like you mean he's probably got backtracks out the Ying Yang
unless he does like an entire live like traveling group of
like a quartet or something. I think he's done different.
Stuff over the time he has a good point.
I think he's done solo, I think he's done banned, so yeah, it'd
be interesting. I'd be.
Interested because, like I said,I mean like this is like this is
cold weather music, like this isdown, you know, like this is

(01:07:15):
like settle in. So I'm wondering what the well
the cover of this? EP is a is a car buried in snow
so nice. Nice that matches I got.
I was. Lucky, I was lucky enough to
know to be pretty early on Bonneville and not not like, oh,
I know it before it was cool. Like he might have been around
for a while before we put this record out.
I don't know. So I wasn't that early, but when

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this record came out, I was living in Bloomington IN, which
is where this label, his label'sbased.
And I don't know how that this label in Bloomington got these
big ass bands, but it's a label called Secretly Canadian, who
then had a subsidiary label called Jag Jaguar, which is what
every Bonnevere record, including new ones been on is
this little indie label from Bloomington IN and wow.

(01:07:59):
And I don't know how, but so, but like you would see the dude,
the secretly Canadian dude or like that crew and everybody
that worked there, like I knew people that worked in their
warehouse and shit and you'd be at the bars with them and stuff.
So like you, you would kind of have your finger on the pulse of
whatever bands they signed. Like they said, like when it was
big news when Dinosaur Junior signed to Jack Jaguar 2.
So Bonivar and Dinosaur Junior are on the same label for a

(01:08:20):
while. Stuff like that.
I don't know, like it's it's that was a cool little like
indie music community. I don't know what Bloomington's
like now, but I haven't lived there in a long time.
But yeah, I remember when this came out, it did.
You're right. I listened to quite a bit of
folk indie folk at the time likeBand Of Horses or Fleet Foxes or
whatever, but they don't touch Bonaver for like how personal it

(01:08:42):
feels like. It.
Almost feels like the dude is sitting in the room with you.
Like performing this to you? Yeah, that's.
A great. Yeah, that's a good way to put
it. You know if it translated like.
Does this translate? Does this land live?
I don't know. It's good, it's a valid.
Question and I don't, yeah, I'm not sure, Roderick.
Yep, 3rd pick. Don't know if.

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I could get any further away from Bonaver with my third pick,
but in 2009 Jay-Z put out Blueprint 3.
He's certainly there. And you're.
Probably going to not be happy with my song choice, Don,
because I think you'd probably go with a different one.
But I'm actually going to go with Run This Town featuring
Rihanna. This is not.

(01:09:24):
Familiar. I'll explain later, but for now
let me get back to this paper. I'm a couple bands down and I'm
trying to get back. That is literally on my list.
Is it? It's a direct steal.

(01:09:45):
So you didn't? Choose Empire State of Mind.
It's because you've already picked Alicia Keys.
It's because recently, Alicia Keys.
Yeah, that's why. Well, two reasons.
I agree. I think around this.
Town's better. Two, you just picked Alicia Keys
recently. And three, even though she
didn't put anything out in 2009,Rihanna was at like peak peak in
2009. She put out Disturbia in 2000.

(01:10:06):
8. 100% so. Rihanna put out Disturbia in
2008. So she was like peak.
And then she's on this song withJay-Z.
And it's just like, this song goes hard, man.
And you're right, Don. It's it's Rihanna.

(01:10:27):
Yeah. She was the.
Star of the song More than Jay-ZThis is a Rihanna song featuring
Jay-Z More than it's a Jay-Z song featuring Rihanna.
Man, I. But it's the one that had to.
Be on there. Did you listen to the newest
episode of 60 Songs The Ether episode to hear what the like,
where he goes through the whole like rap, battle beef?
Yes, yeah, that. It was.
Crazy because like I didn't really, I never really picked
the side in the Jay Nas thing. I didn't know there was.

(01:10:49):
A Jay Nas thing. Like, I guess I wasn't that
embroiled in that kind of like news.
I wasn't either. Yeah, I didn't.
That was not a word, but it was what?
A cool take on like the whole New York hip hop like iconic
artist, like not the undergroundshit like the the stadium.
New York hip hop guys. Yeah, this is the perfect pick.
This one, like I said, it's directly a direct steal, so it

(01:11:10):
was on my list for sure. Great call.
Yeah. And it it's there.
Was a lot of this like 2000? I mean, I'm, I'm just throwing
years out. This is where we pretend to know
things. But like my memory is like, you
know, 2007 through like 2009 into 2010 was the like almost
maybe peak of this, like stadiumpop hip hop stuff.
Don't get me wrong, Kendricks and stadiums now, Tyler's and

(01:11:32):
stadiums now. But there's a sound that was
like Lil Wayne and like cash money millionaires vibes.
And then you have the Jay-Z sideof things and there's all these
like groups and individuals thatwere doing like stadium sounding
hip hop. And then eventually that turned
into the club banger hip hop thing in like 2010, 2011 where
everything had a club beat and everything was that.
But like there's those few yearswhere very much was like, you

(01:11:56):
know, Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, Drake, and they're making music that
sounds like it's meant to be performed in a stadium.
So there's a lot of collaborations with people like
Beyoncé and Rihanna and there's mixture of a lot of rapping and
and singing. But it's not R&B.
It's not like 90s throwback collabs.
I don't know. It's this.
It's it's own thing. There should be a name for it.

(01:12:17):
But what do you think were the? First, because there was always
the female pop star hip hop guy collaborative track.
And I would love to know the history of that, right?
Because like you can look at like Ja Rule and Ashanti, you
know, and shit like that. Or you can look at like shit,
even going back, like didn't DMXhave a big track with somebody

(01:12:40):
like another female pop star? But like I mean throw for sure.
That's. What I'm saying like they're
like, I would love to know the lineage of what prompted that.
And like it's still going like, I mean, even like Kendrick and
Souza, you know, like it's stillgoing where there's like the
female R&B pop star and the rough, grumbly hip hop guy.

(01:13:01):
And I I wonder what launched that and how it's still
relevant. I I it might.
Be a huge stretch, but I wonder if it even like derives from,
you know, artists like Ray Charles and like those Blues in
style, those blue style like arrangements where like, you
know, you got the the grumbly guy that's like, you know,

(01:13:24):
thinking about leaving and stuff.
And then like the the female, like I'll say protagonist that's
like screaming at him to stay orsomething like that and not to
go. And like he had so many songs
like that where there was a backand forth and it was like a main
lead singer to like have a conversation with one another.
And but you're, I, you're right though, it's a very interesting

(01:13:44):
dynamic that's been around for forever.
I feel like Rod's trying to findthe source of it all right now.
It's a great. Question Don because like Google
AI had a absolutely terrible answer like so it's bad.
So now I'm in like a like literally old school message
board and these people are saying 88 the first one they can
with a with a woman R&B singer. Slick Rick had a song in 88

(01:14:07):
called If I'm Not Your Lover. It looks like I'm not vetting
this yet, I'm just reading this.So that might have been the
first. Like there were other
collaborations of different artists obviously before that,
but like specifically like a like a legit rapper with like a
woman R&B star singing on it. Looks like the 8889 era is when
it started. But man, it ramped up big time

(01:14:27):
in the 90s for sure. It hasn't stopped since.
I do think it changed. I think the 90s was more about
R&B singers and then in the 2000s, two thousand 10s, it was
more pop singers, which is, you know, just different.
Like Rihanna. Like I wouldn't call Rihanna R&B
singer. She's a pop artist.
But like she steals this the show in the song for sure.
It's a great. Call.

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It's a great song. 1. Band that did release my
favorite album of their catalog in 2009 was Newfound Glory.
My favorite Newfound Glory albumis interesting not.
Without a fight. Which is not a popular opinion,
not like not very many people's favorite Newfound Glory album,
but Not Without a Fight was my favorite Newfound Glory album.

(01:15:10):
And Right Where We Left Off, I think is the opening track.

(01:15:37):
It's fucking. Fantastic.
Like it's a little bit, it's less poppy, it's less goofy.
Like maybe the Newfound Glory took themselves a little bit
more seriously on this one. So it doesn't feel quite so
kitschy. You know which they were a very
goofy band, you know, topless bass player.
He's overweight and he's got wacky hair.
You know, where it's like they they might have started to take
themselves a little more seriously on this one.

(01:15:58):
And I think it it's it sounds like they did like musically, if
you listen to music of this one,it's it's a little more
technical than what you typically had gotten from
Newfound Glory. And it's just fucking awesome.
I would put this out and on and go cut the lawn right now,
except it's 95° outside if I remember correctly.
And you're right, I don't think most people would have this as
their favorite, but whatever. But if I remember correctly,

(01:16:20):
this was them going starting to lean a little bit more hardcore
roots because they had done, they had just done international
superheroes of hardcore. And then they even like, you
know, they always had elements of that, especially like sticks
and stones and catalysts and that stuff.
They had elements of it. But like, I think this was
really they were like, you know what, we're going to lean out of

(01:16:40):
the pop punk musically and we'regoing to get more hardcore
musically. I think this was kind of the
beginning of that like international superheroes of
hardcore. And then they put this out and I
do I do know this song. And like right off the bat,
you're right. This album kicks off of the
bang. This is solid, solid NFG song.
But even like it. Sounds more technical.
It sounds not that Chad was evernot a technical guitar player.

(01:17:00):
He was always pretty good. But he's a good guitar player
for sure. And but this album I think
showcases more of their musical abilities than albums in the
past. You know, there's still the
chugs, but like there's also cool riffs and stuff as well.
I think that's where they became.
So influential that like like that whole like Run for Cover
Records or like that whole genreof bands that it's like a
mixture of like super melodic poppy melodies with chuggy

(01:17:26):
heavier guitars that might be produced more poppy, but they're
heavy guitars. NFG fucking it's easy core, man.
They invented easy core and that's what it is.
And like bands like All Time Lowand Story so far, and these kind
of bands like it's NFG and Blink, I know, but it's NFG is
the one that like really put that sound out there.
Absolutely. I, I, I remember being on the

(01:17:47):
road in, in Ohio and we went into a random goodwill or a
thrift store or something and I found a shirt that's all black
and it just says NFG Canton easycore.
And it's like you, it's got to be from like 98.
And I, I, I, I love newfound glory, but like I grew up on
catalyst. I grew up with sticks and stones
are the best. And I remember giving this album

(01:18:10):
a listen to and and you're right, it it it was like they're
I wanted to say first, but they were like, let's start getting
like grittier and taking the dynamics a little bit more
seriously. You know, I think that this is a
fur. I think it's a premier record on
epitaph, I think. And I saw I looked it up just

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now and I did Mark Hop is produced this record, which is
really interesting. But yeah, this is the first time
I heard them like try to get a like lean into the grit a little
bit more because you hear that grit and other records with the
chugs and and stuff like that. It's it's intrinsically woven
within them. But I think they embraced it a

(01:18:51):
lot with this one. This is also where they.
Got dropped from their from major label.
So like they drive through had that affiliation with Geffen and
then Geffen basically took Newfound glory and they put out
I think 4, three or four recordson Geffen.
So Coming Home was their last major label record, and then
International Superheroes of Hardcore was on Bridge 9, which
is a hardcore label. And then, yeah, so this was on

(01:19:13):
Epitaph. This was their first Epitaph.
But I don't know, that all makessense to me.
So like, the major label thing didn't work out.
We're getting into heavier stuff.
We're leaning out of the pop punk stuff.
I don't know, this record's great.
And by the way, Dorian, that shirt you're talking about is
really Famous shirt. So it's the Coral Springs Easy
Core shirt. That is the first that.
They made that term up as a jokebecause it's like, how do we

(01:19:34):
describe ourselves? It's like easy listening meets
hardcore. And it was a joke.
And then people actually startedusing that term to describe that
kind of like mixture of pop punkand hardcore with breakdowns and
melodies, dude. So that's AI.
Wish I had that shirt. That'd be fantastic.
I would wear that shirt and also.
Self title came out 2025 years they've been doing this shit.
Still the original lineup, stillthe same 4 dudes which is

(01:19:55):
fucking self title. Wasn't even their first record.
No, no, they had. Albums before that, but that was
like the one that broke them, you know that Like, yeah, 1990,
nothing. Gold can stay came out in 99
like same same line. Up like good for them like I saw
him a couple of times where theyhad the fucking singer of yellow
card playing guitar like on tourwith that yeah yeah yeah, which
is. Kind of fun to watch.
But yeah, I mean, just grinding for so long.

(01:20:17):
Good for those dudes. You know I also have an.
Unpopular so I there's a band too I didn't put on my playlist
for for cancellation reasons butthey brand new.
Brand new. My favorite brand new record is
Daisy and it came out in 2009 and that's a hugely unpopular
like, no, I've never heard anybody else say Daisy was there
for favorite record. I kind of avoid that.

(01:20:38):
One, yeah. They're touring.
Again, now they're touring, I mean.
They're still selling out those shows.
Yeah, they just kicked off theirtour.
I love Daisy though. That is my favorite brand new
record it. Yeah.
Hey, just so you know, R Kelly Untitled came out in 2009 where
he yodels and we got to avoid that one as well.

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All right, Dorian. Last pick, all right.
You know, it's interesting, likethis last pick, I'm kind of just
have the, you know, Wikipedia pulled up for this record, and
if for some reason on the band'sdiscography it doesn't show up,
but you can still search it and it pops up.
That's interesting. My third, my 4th and final

(01:21:18):
symmetry by title fight. So title.

(01:21:46):
Fight is like a are you guys, doyou guys know about title fight?
You listen to title fight. OK, yeah.
So I didn't know if like this record or song was like 2 on the
on the obscure side. But but Symmetry is the first
track off of their very first record, The Last thing You
forget. I think it encapsulates like a

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younger generation coming up. So like I was thinking about
like the arrange, like the wide array of like bands around this
time, like you had all time low that was like killing it and
singing about going to the beachand stuff.
Whereas like these younger guys coming up just feel like, you
know, have a little bit more like angst in their shoes when
it when it comes to like the poppunk genre overall.

(01:22:29):
There's so much like old school old soul grit in this band.
And in this song specifically, because you can hear what like
title fight will eventually kindof become a little bit in this
song because the rest of the record is very like pop punky.
But you can kind of see the writing on the wall where like
this is they're going to be likea hardcore band disguised as a

(01:22:51):
pop punk band and sing really gritty shit that sounds like it
was, you know, straight out of like 89 or something like that.
Like I, I, I really love this song and like this band is like
really sick. And but yeah, that's my that's
my 4th and final. I went.
I went from super pop to to to not so much across the the scale

(01:23:12):
bands like this were the. Downside of me being that like
insulated jerk 26 year old in 2009 who only wanted to listen
to stuff that he already knew. Because if I knew about bands
like Title Fight, I would have been stoked on new music because
this sounded like, you know, to me.
This is reminiscent of like old East Coast hardcore stuff, Saves
a day, lifetime, stuff like thatlittle emo involved.

(01:23:34):
I would have been stoked on this.
I didn't know what's happening until later.
Like I, I didn't, you know, I was probably shed when I got
into the title fight, so maybe even floral green item and went
back to shed. I'm not sure, but it definitely
wasn't this. And even when I discovered them,
it wasn't when those records came out.
It was later, you know what I mean?
So, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
It's cool to know this stuff. Was still happening like I I was

(01:23:56):
kind of into old wonder years. Was that around this time?
It was and I. Thought about looking that up
because they put out get stoked on it, I want to say.
And neither 209 or or 10 and that the one with the kool-aid
man on it. Oh, that yeah, that was.
My era of wonder years, yeah. Yeah, that same here.
That's when they were super scent heavy in the mix and it

(01:24:16):
was really cool. And yeah, they had like a song
racing trains on that record, that stuff, that stuff.
'S not even on Spotify. Spotify, yeah.
I had to YouTube it and then I was like, that might be a little
too down the rabbit hole to add to this because I thought about
it. That's kind of a bummer.
Why don't? Why are they not proud of that
record? I love that record.
I don't know that's. What I think that's what it is,
and I'm not sure why, because it's, it's, you know, it's, it's

(01:24:40):
cool. There are some good songs on
that record. Maybe it's a label thing?
Maybe the label? It was on the.
I have it on my. List.
As a song, but I'll I'll just throw it out there as an
honorable mention, but what is the difference between wonder
years and title fight? Who seemed like they would be
staples in this genre? And then you you mentioned
earlier Dorian 4 years strong and set your goals.

(01:25:03):
Why does it feel like there's such a divide, even though
they're pretty genre together? And why does it feel like
there's such a separation between those two styles of this
music? Am I crazy to make that up or
does that is that that is the first?
Time I've ever heard wonder years compared to title fight,
but when you like bring it back down to like the the fulcrum of
how like the genre is starting to merge and split apart, I can

(01:25:26):
definitely see that because likeeverything did sound very
similar. It's very it's very punky.
It's raspy vocals. It's you know some Cynthia and
they're very fast. Yeah, that's man that's
interesting. I I that but you're right there
is like. I would never be like they sound
similar, but I would never put wonder years entitled fight
together. I would say set your goals in

(01:25:47):
four years strong as I'd say closer but but you're right
though, it's it's not it's like when I when I was growing up
like 4 years strong. It's like oh, that's easy quote.
You know I wouldn't, but then you listen to set your like, no,
that's not no, that's not easy core, but if you listen to it, I
would be kind of like kind of is.
Though I would actually say it'scloser than Wonder years is like

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I I can only speak for myself onthis one, Don, but for me it's
to me, it feels location based. Like so the East Coast hardcore
thing, so Jersey and New York and shit was more like the
really fast punky hardcore. And then there maybe be a
breakdown. So like lifetime moving into
movie life early saves the day title fight in the wonder years
are both from Pennsylvania. They're both like East Coast

(01:26:28):
hardcore bands so that that their lineage is like fast
double time punk. And then when you slow that down
and then I think they mix it with emos and then you got the
emo thing happening. Set your goals are aren't they
from Florida? So that's like that.
That's like that NFG style easy core and they just mixed it.
They just got it heavier and putin gang vocals and Four Year
Strong feels like they're just an easy core band who leaned

(01:26:50):
into the heavier, heavier aspects than the popular
aspects. I don't understand why all.
Of these bands are not just theyfall into one bucket, but it
feels like there's a divide and maybe it's just my personal
approach, but it feels like there's a pretty big divide
between the set your goals of the world and the title fights
of the world, even though it's the same fucking genre.
But it just feels like there's adivide.

(01:27:11):
Yeah, I, I, I. Totally agree.
It's it's interesting that yeah,I would separate.
Yeah, we're talking. We're talking heavy sub genre
shit here though, right? Like we're getting into like
this is all the same basic genre.
We're just talking like actuallyset your goals as from Kelvin.
East San Francisco, Oh, are theyOK?
So I don't know, man, I think Set Your Goals in four Strong

(01:27:32):
just sound a lot heavier to me. They lean into like the more
hardcore, the heavier hardcore stuff versus like the punkier
hardcore stuff. Maybe.
I don't know, dude. We're splitting hairs here,
dude. Mutiny, though.
I have. 2 copies of that on vinyl just because I fucking
love that record. The way every song throws into

(01:27:52):
the into. Each the other song like that,
that is just a great album. I It's so good.
It's so good. It's one of my favorite front to
back listens of all time. Yeah, holy shit.
All right, so my last. Pick is the other.
The other big kind of indie thing that was happening in 2009
for me was indie dance stuff, and the song I'm going with also

(01:28:13):
bleeds into rock a bit, but I was really into this record.
But the song I'm going to do is Heavy Cross by Gossip.
It's a. Funny way to make ends me when
the lights are out on AB St. It feels all right but never
complete without you. The other.

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My other thought would have beenBulletproof by LaRue, which is a
jam, but I don't know. There's all this indie dance
stuff happening. I loved it.
Like it wasn't house music, it wasn't full on electronic.
It was usually bands for the most part or like pop singers,
but they were doing this kind oflike underground dance music
that I also heard at the mall a lot, to be honest.

(01:29:07):
But it was it was it was what you're talking about during.
And it's for the most part, it'slike even the minor chord
serious lyric stuff was still danceable.
So it was like post recession ever.
We need to make things dancey. And you know, I, I just I, I
what was the name of this album?Music for Men.
Yeah, Music for men. Gossip was just kind of awesome

(01:29:29):
for me. I I, I love a band that comes
out of the middle of nowhere andsounds like they're prob I
think, I assume this band is from like the UK or something,
but they're from Arkansas. Beth Ditto was a badass singer,
but yeah, Heavy Cross was there.I think this is their biggest
song. I it is.
OK. Yeah, that's really good.
But the record before this one was really solid too.
But great band broke up, I don'tknow, seven or eight years ago,

(01:29:52):
I think. But Standing in the Way of
Control, that was another big song from them.
I remember that song, but yeah, dude, like, I don't know.
Don, did you listen to Do you remember this like the whole
like, indie dance thing going down?
Yeah, for sure. So much so that you.
Fucking stole my last pic and just throw in shit out and say
it might be a La Rue but bulletproof but then it just
moved past that one. I'm so sorry dude.
It's OK, don't worry, I've got. Honorable mentions with two

(01:30:14):
direct steals even though you'rejust mentioning bullshit.
Well, it. Hey, it happens on the podcast.
It flows like, yeah, sure. Let me just.
Cross the same similar. Genre.
Did you really have Bulletproof?That's your next third song
written. On my list, it was my last one
to round it out so dude I'm so sorry.
I'll pick another. Shitty dance, Shitty dance
group. I do feel bad, but you know what

(01:30:37):
I did learn researching this wasRick Rubin produced this record.
That's cool. Which is wild, yeah.
Holy cow, they. They did they headline
Glastonbury in 2007. I don't know.
I. Wasn't there, but that's such a
specific. Thing did they do that?
Such a specific thing? Sorry, it's.
I'm looking at sorry, I'm looking at their Wikipedia.
Well Glastonbury is such an insanely massive festival to

(01:31:01):
headline something like that is.Fuck that is it says they
played. The final set it doesn't say
they headlined. So it might have been.
Like a closing set or something.Let's.
Just say a headline. Yeah, I'm done.
Now, yeah, you. Make a good point, but I mean
even for like AUS fan to come out of the middle like in the
Midwest and and even play that festival is pretty insane to be

(01:31:24):
honest. Tell you what, I I will.
Do though Don like normally we obviously don't play clips for
honorable mentions, but because it was going to be your next
pick and I mentioned them in in mine too, I'm going to play a
clip of Bullet because that songis a fucking jam.
So good. That song is a gem.

(01:31:57):
Of Rue is so good, yeah. Like La Rue and Robin are kind
of fall into the same bucket forme, and Robin hasn't released a
bad song. No, maybe ever.
Yeah, Yeah. We've talked a lot about Robin
on this podcast, actually. But like, I'm glad she's ever
made it on. I don't know that she's.
That's a great Yeah. I picked her, didn't I?
I don't know. Or did I just have her as?

(01:32:19):
An audible mission, 550 songs atthis point.
Never picked her. You're right.
But yeah, I don't know, like this and gossip specifically
kind of bridged that thing for me.
Which is the LaRue Robin more more poppy in like underground
dance stuff. Yeah.
And. But merged it with, like, the
Thermals or The Faint or these like, kind of dancy, punky

(01:32:42):
bands. And Gossip kind of sits.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Gossip kind of sits right
there in the middle of that for me, yeah.
That's fair. So 2. 1000 very 2009 the song a
great a great song. Well, I fucked LaRue up for you,
Don. So what's your new last pick?
I'm sorry, Ultimate, Ultimate. Guilty Pleasure band.
No reason why this would be evenanywhere near my list of bands

(01:33:06):
that I listen to, but I fucking love Tokyo Hotel.
You guys have any? Experience with Tokyo Hotel
2009. The album that came out was
called Humanoid and the song is going to be Automatic, which was
like one of their biggest tracksfor a while.

(01:33:44):
This band is. Absolutely massive everywhere
but the US. They are an enormous band across
the across the globe except for the United States.
And it doesn't make sense to me because right now I feel like
they would fall into that kind of Y2K insurgents right now.
Like with kind of how they sound, it's not really like it's

(01:34:05):
not too paparochi, but it is a little like dance Rocky, like a
lot of instruments and shit likethat.
But Humanoid is a great like dance rock album and Automatic
is the song. Great music video if you ever
get a chance. Lot of robots, lot of bad
computer animation. That singer, I don't know how
he's not like the most popular singer amongst Y2K fans right

(01:34:29):
now because he is just living that life.
But yeah, this song is just a big ball of cheese and I can't
get enough of it. This album is fantastic.
This. Does this fit?
In like the Cobra Starship pet automatical world for you or
it's like a little bit punky, but pop or no, I'm only I've
never heard them. I'm only listening to the song.
Although I do know of them because I work at Hot Topic.
Dude, we sold a lot of Tokyo hotels take themselves so.

(01:34:50):
Seriously, we're like Cobra Starship head automatic.
That whole genre is like, it wasalways so fun, whereas this is
not as fun. This is pretty fucking serious.
Like dudes are out here doing it.
This is. Actually giving me OK, this is
giving more 30 Seconds To Mars, kind of.
Yeah, for maybe not. As heavy, maybe not.
Like, yeah, poppier. Yeah, poppier. 30 Seconds To

(01:35:12):
Mars for sure. Hell of a voice on that guy too.
Quite a hunk. I don't know why this just.
Popped in my head but or that conversation earlier about
looking for bands whose first album Who Like came out in 2009.
I was going to pick this but it was already on.
I think Jessica picked this on another episode, but Japan
Droids. First record was in 2009.

(01:35:32):
That's a great fucking record post Nothing.
Great record. So that was 2009, but we've
already had them on here. Maybe even off that record.
I think so, yeah. Yeah.
So yeah. For Canada, you know what it
was? It was the black and white out
Mart for this Tokyo Hotel thing.It just popped in my head.
I was like, oh fuck Japan droids.
Yeah, that was one in 2009. Dorian No.

(01:35:53):
No homework to go and listen anymore.
This. You're good with whatever you've
heard right now in your headphones.
You're fine, dude. Yeah.
But yeah, this is really. Sick.
Like I'm listening, I'm listening to a couple of songs,
but like I, I've heard of Tokyo Hotel and I've heard, I've heard
like in the, you know, in the zeitgeist as like, oh, you got

(01:36:14):
to check that out. But it's so cool.
I it's a really interesting sound.
Listen to that more and see likeit's.
Just so strange and like I said,absolutely massive everywhere
except for the United States. Just never broke the never broke
the barriers for whatever 2.3. Million monthly listeners.
That's so insane, but yeah. That's my last pick.

(01:36:36):
Great pick. This is I like this.
You guys are giving me a lot to listen to by the way.
Holy cow. Well, you got to.
You got to. Organize these in the right
order. So yeah.
And then expect us to tear it apart If your order is wrong as
well, hey, that's fine. With me, man, which, by the way,
we. We we didn't talk about that,
Don. We we didn't skipped right over
that. But but we got we got Pete's
sequencing. What was controversial about the

(01:36:58):
controversial random fucking? Tracks on, he did throw an
extra. Track in there, there's two
songs. There's 2.
Madonna songs on there that Petefirst time first.
Time out here, I guess. What did you?
Think about. Him ending with that silent
song, was that the right place to put it?
For sure he put it. I agree it should have gone in

(01:37:18):
the middle and they absolutely. Should have gone in the middle.
Yeah. Pete, shut the bed.
Sorry, Pete speaking. Of Pete though Dorian here did a
song with Pete recently just forshits and gigs right?
Like you guys just hanging out having fun.
It is so fucking good. It's on Spotify.

(01:38:02):
Thanks man. It's on my phone.
Yeah, will you? Send it.
Send. It across rock I I, I will.
Text it to you, Don. OK, cool.
Yeah, we'll listen to that. We forgot honorable mentions.
We forgot honorable mentions. And the list so.
Those things, yeah, so. My my full list fell a little
short, but like I can throw out some honorable.
Mentions. I'm sure you had a couple so.

(01:38:25):
One honorable mention is the fewthat remain by.
Set your goals dude. That's one third steal. 2nd
Honorable. Mention is Feel Good Drag by
Amber Lynn. Yeah, it was the.
The like that that was on the radio at the time.

(01:38:48):
And then last honorable mention I have is Living Saints by Polar
Bear Club. Yeah, I'm going to just.
RIP through a bunch here. So I did have TikTok by Ke$ha on
here as a possibility. I had love Lockdown by He who
shall not be named. I wouldn't have.

(01:39:09):
Picked it, I was saving it like it's a great song, good record.
I just not going to talk about him.
I didn't know you're worst of his records.
Worst of it. Not the worst, the worst.
Not the worst. Did you listen to the most
recent? Any of the recent ones?
No, because. He didn't really, did you?
Listen to. The most recent?
No, he didn't. Release an album.
After My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, that was the last album

(01:39:30):
he put out. Anything beyond that?
He died at the end of that album.
Fair enough. No, you're.
Into Me by Green Day. I don't like, I don't like 21st
Century Breakdown, but I do likethis song.
What song? I know your enemy.
Know your enemy. I know your enemy.
OK, got it. My girls by animal.
Collective great song Gasoline by brand new two weeks by
Grizzly bear Jesus Christ you. Lost lastly.

(01:39:53):
And I almost, almost, almost almost picked this one.
But do you, have you, either of you ever seen the documentary A
Band Called Death? No, I don't.
Think so? So the band.
Death. Not the metal band Death, but
the Detroit protopunk band Death.
Amazing story. Go watch the documentary if you
haven't. It's a band from the 70s that
were these brothers, these blackurban guys from Detroit who put

(01:40:14):
this record out that is like a Stooges but more punk before
punk. Like Sex Pistols didn't exist
yet. Not like they They recorded this
record and it never came out. It got lost and one of their
children found the tapes in the attic of their house and then
they put the record out and theyhad a documentary about it and

(01:40:35):
it came out in 2009. And it's just great.
Old school like protopunk album.So freaking out is the song I
picked, but keep on. Knocking's a great song, but
man. But a band called Death, I think
that's the name of the documentary.
Worth a watch for sure. Just really fucking interesting.
That's fascinating. Yeah.
It's. Really.
It's really. It's really cool.
So those are my honorable mentions.

(01:40:56):
This has nothing to do with. Death.
But this is just how my brain works.
OK, so death the metal band super recognizable metal band
logo. Yep, with the.
With the scythe on it. Yeah, it's fucking.
Awesome. Also Mayhem super recognizable
metal logo. Did you see the chick get
dragged off the Southwest airplane in the Mayhem T-shirt?

(01:41:16):
No. Oh dude, it's.
Fantastic. And come to find out, like so it
blew up like all over social media recently.
This chick gets dragged off an airplane because she's being an
absolute asshole. But I guess she's like a famous
fashion designer and she's flying at Southwest and doesn't
want to sit next to a like a plus sized woman.
And so she like shits all over and is like a total not like
literally shits but like he's like really mean to her and like

(01:41:37):
ends up like spitting on her andstuff like that and is dragged
off of this. And the whole time she's wearing
a mayhem T-shirt. And I like I don't want to
gatekeep music, but I would lovefor this girl to name 3 mayhem
songs as well as never be allowed to fly again because
she's a shit of a person. But that just made me think of
that. That's funny.
Well, that's not funny that thathappened, but yeah.

(01:41:58):
If you get a chance, it's very funny to watch this woman get
dragged off the plane because she totally deserves it.
All right, so LaRue got stolen. Set your goals got stolen.
That leaves my last honorable mention as Cobra Starship good
girls go bad. And the thing I was going to
just talk about was how midtown was awesome and then how this
was a this was a big wave of these bands doing this right,

(01:42:20):
because like didn't didn't Travie from Gym Class Heroes
eventually go do like a sin thing?
Who was was it Cobra Starship that did the?
Who did the snakes on a plane? Song was it Cobra?
Starship. I can't remember.
Whoever did the Snakes on a Plane song was Cobra Starship.
Cobra Starship. Yeah.
But there was like a big wave ofbands that did like, was it a

(01:42:43):
good band? And now I'm going to do Cynthia
dance shit. And so.
Right. Yeah, it was like.
It was like right at the end of Myspace here, like Breathe
Carolina was doing stuff like that.
And I remember, yeah, you're right.
It was like a a bunch of like a huge wave of it.
That Automatica. Which we already talked about,
but yeah 3. I think three O 3 was messing
around. Three O 3 was 2000. 9 too.

(01:43:03):
I'm glad they didn't come up. Why are they problematic?
I'm just, I just. Don't want to talk about three O
3. Yeah.
I think they have, I don't know,right?
There's more. Help.
Let me fly to the list. Yep.
Fireflies Owl. City Kid Cudi day and night Them
Crooked Vultures New Fang all time low weightless local

(01:43:24):
natives wide eyes 2 tongues crawl Bonnie Var beach baby
Jay-Z run this town which was the right choice.
Rod great job New Found Glory right where we left off Title
fight symmetry gossip heavy cross Tokyo hotel automatic.
Can't wait to see what order these falling.

(01:43:48):
How to? Make.
Mix tape. Hey, Dorian.
Yes, Sir. Thanks man.
Did you have a good time, dude? Yeah.
It was really fun to be honest with you.
Like I, you like the episodes that I've listened to you guys,
like you guys have listened to so much stuff.
And like, I'll be honest, like the last like couple of years, I

(01:44:10):
haven't been like actively looking for stuff or like
actively listening to music. It's been a lot of, a lot of
podcasts for me. And so when, when you were like,
Hey, let's do you know Saturday,I was like, oh, I gotta like
listen to music again. And, but, but like, it was
awesome. Like I spent the last like 2

(01:44:31):
days just like listening to music, like religiously for the
first time in years. And I was like, Oh yeah, it's,
it's just this is stuff, this stuff, this stuff is good.
I've you you like you, you got me to like listen to a lot of
like new stuff and stuff I've listened to in years and stuff
and that was a really cool thingand now I'm going to continue to
do that. So I appreciate it.
Glad we could help. Thanks for having me.

(01:44:51):
I appreciate it. I think you.
Should I think you should make more music with Pete?
Hit me up if you need a bass player.
I think we should get that oboist on.
It can be double. Double Dorian cooks.
On there, Yeah. Oh great.
Band name too. Double Dorian.
Cooks. There you go.
Band name, that is. Yeah, rolls.
Right off the tongue, yeah. Yeah.
I agree that man, that'd be fun.Congratulations.

(01:45:12):
To you and Holly, I don't know if I've told you in person
because you've been traveling and I've been traveling.
Congrats on your engagement, buddy.
Thank. Thank you, man.
I. Appreciate it, Holly.
I hope you're listening. Congrats, it's fun I.
Yeah, I don't know. It's.
It was obvious the whole time, so.
I was like I was. I was like, well, it's going to
happen eventually. Might as well be in freaking

(01:45:34):
France. So yeah, thank you, man.
I appreciate that. Yeah, dude.
All right, Roderick is dying to go put.
Some color into that bleach wand.
Here it is. So yeah, you see my hair, Dory?
Yeah, I was going to. Say something, but I didn't want
to fuck up the yeah, that looks sick.
He's dying to go. Put color in it.
I might put color in. It what?
Color. What color you guys think I
should go? It's summertime.
So go something warm. Oranges and Reds probably.

(01:45:55):
That'll make my. Skin look pink if I go orange or
red. Go on anyway.
Purple. Purple, I was leaning.
Purple. I mean Dorian.
Like really? Maybe.
Like a lilac, like a light, likea light, like a lavender.
Like a light one. Yeah, yeah.
Yep. Good call.
Thanks dudes. Good.
Thanks Dorian. Thanks so much for having me.

(01:46:16):
Yeah, Bye guys.

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