Tape 50 - "Recorded off the Radio part 2" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How too many? Now the making of a good
compilation tape. Is a very supple art many do's
and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to. Express how you feel.
This is a delicate. Thing.
You got to kick it off with a killer grab attention, then you

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got to take it up enough you don't want to know your SO, then
you got to cool it off a notch. And there are a lot of rules.
Hey, long time no see buddy. I know dude, just it's, it's
well, first before we get into that happy 50th episode.
Oh shit. Episode 50, Episode 50 We made

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it. We made it this far.
How many songs? These are stats we should have
had ready. Well, after, like after this
episode, it'd be 600 exactly. So we're gonna hit 600.
Up to today, 589 songs. How many minutes of content have
we put out? How are there 589 songs?
That doesn't make sense. That should be 588.

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Right, it is 588 'cause there's the tie up at the top on the
Google doc that says, you know, yeah, 588 and.
Only two repeats and one of themwas from me.
No, that's not true. Oh shit, I got to bring this up
now. I got to bring this up now.
Fuck. All right and then we'll get
into Baltimore. But I I held my tongue last
episode and I've regretted it ever since.

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I. Don't know why.
As much as You Busted My balls. And Christian, who is a guest
for picking a song that had already been on the pod.
And then Garrett picks Brick by Ben Folds, which I had already
picked on an episode. Now he picked a live version.
So I guess if you want to get technical, it's not a direct
repeat, but come on, that's a repeat.
Hold on. A second Hold on.

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That's a repeat. Garrett Guest picked a song that
had also previously been picked.Christian Guest picked this song
that had also previously been picked.
Yep. I'm not trying to.
I know where you're going and I'm not trying to say it's not
worse that I did it. I think that we, I don't expect
our guests to know every song that we've ever picked.

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I don't of the five. 189. But I don't have a problem with
it happening. It's gonna happen.
The more songs we pick, the harder it's gonna be.
It's more that you didn't bring up at all.
You're you didn't even bring it up when you're so fast to bring
it up usually. Roderick, you yourself have
picked the same exact version ofthe same song.

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I know, I know. I'm never going to get.
It's going to be like a yoke I wear around my neck for the.
Rest of that, that cute little purple dye is seeping into them
brains. Little little scarlet letter of.
You pick at the same time John Miller Camp.
You know when it all comes down to it, you're a guy that really
loves sucking on chili dogs. I just, you know, at the end of

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the day, that's what. It comes down to.
I just love a a sloppy chili dog.
Just. Love sucking on a chili dog.
But yeah, we just saw each other.
Baltimore and then we'll talk Baltimore and then we'll talk my
12 mile bike ride this morning and I think my bike seat is
still inside me. Let's talk to that.
First then because I want to know.

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Man, so I'm a little tired of running.
OK. So I need to switch things up.
So I've started Rd. biking a bitmore and I don't have like a
fancy road bike it just I just have a road bike that does the
job. But I guess like you build up a
conditioning to the seats and I'm not there yet.

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Were you ever fix? Were you a fixie guy?
I wasn't a fixie guy, but you look.
You currently look like a fixie guy.
I probably do look like a fixie right now.
I used to. I rode BMX for a while and like
those like more aggressive BMX bikes had kind of similar seats
honestly. They were like basically tiny
little plastic seats and that shit.

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You do get used to it. You're not wrong, but.
I'm not used to it yet. It hurts, Yeah.
So you're a little bit tush hurts, huh?
My tush is yeah, I'm sore. I'm I, I, it was, it was only 12
miles. I was talking to some dude the
other day and he's like, I'm gonna do a century this weekend
and it's like, what's the sentry?
It's like, oh, 100. Miles, it's like, damn.
You #1 dork #2 too much bike, it's too much time.

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It's it's a ton of writing, but there's zoos that do like cross
country stuff don't. You know, my brother in law's
son rides regularly from Indy toChicago and back.
That's how he gets up to Chicagoand back down to Indies.
He just rides his bike. There's a really famous bike
trail here called the Capital Bike Trail, and at least the
part of it that goes through Richmond is so nice.

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I've ridden that part. It's just gorgeous and it's
really nicely paved and everything.
But it's 52 miles, so people do it like start at one end and
ride it and ride all the way back.
And that's so that'd be like 104.
Too many. Miles.
Too many miles. Too many mouths.
All right, so we we've teased itlike for a million years on the
pod, but we went and saw murder by death in Baltimore.

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We met up. We.
Did and Lord. J Grace, Lord J Grace.
And that was fun. How was your first ever train
experience? Not first ever train, first ever
Amtrak. First ever Amtrak.
How was that? I've taken the metro of.
Course you took the metro? Yeah.
Yeah, makes sense. Very intimidating.
Just because it's new. I mean, because it's new.
I mean, like, it's like a fucking taking a flight.

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Like you got to know your gate. You got to know like at the
metro, you board at 7:45 and then you're in Chicago in 45
minutes. You know, that's just the way it
rolls here. But like you got to know your
gate. You got to know your
destinations, you got to know your your, and there's a lot
going on. But I did see like, you know how
there's the Pizza Hut Taco Bell combo or like KFC Taco Bell.

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I saw my first ever Auntie Anne Cinnabon.
Oh, I didn't know that was the thing.
It was next door, shared a wall.It was outstanding in Union
Station. I took a picture of it.
Union Station is pretty cool, isn't it?
So fucking cool. It's gorgeous in there.
It's just, yeah, it's really. Gorgeous, never saw it,
absolutely incredible. Yeah, very cool.

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I loved our time, I wish we got more hangout time.
Yeah, well, hangout time was fun, but we didn't get a lot of
it. It was funny to me that even the
day of you were still confused about which state you were in.
And I I'll be honest, no idea what states I was in.
I know I was in Maryland. What's Yes, the show's in
Maryland, Yes. And then I was in Washington,

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DC. Yes.
And where do I live, Virginia? This is the first time you've
got that right. But I appreciate that's growth
you're learning. And you had driven 2 hours from
where you lived to Baltimore. Yeah, yeah.
Well, because that took me 3 1/2hours to get back.
But that was not, that was traffic.
That was a wreck. So.
That's terrible. Yeah, yeah, but fun hangs

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beforehand. I would have loved to have had a
meal of food with you and just hung out and shot the shit.
But great fucking show. It was, it was a great show.
Shout out to murder by Death andshout out to past guest Dagan.
He, oh, he messaged me after theshow.
Did he? Yeah, he just thank us for
going, you know, did you say talk to you guys but like.

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But my stupid friend Donnie had to catch a train.
Well, I. Didn't blame it on you.
I was just like, yeah, like. Oh, it was my fault.
I just said bummed we didn't getthe chat, but you know, wouldn't
have missed it. And you guys were great.
So it was, it was, it was a good, it was a good time.
It was a good show. It's a cool venue.
So got to hang out with guests. Doug, we were there too.
Very sticky. And it was very sticky.

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It was sweaty. Venue.
Yeah. It's the kind of show where you
can feel the sweat driven down your back.
Yeah, it was Hey, I wanted to say I think this might become a
thing because we we've been selling a lot of merch.
And so I just want to thank everybody who's been buying
merch like a. Thank you, Jingle.
No, but you know what? I will because the last time we

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had a bunch of merch, so we shouted those.
Go ahead. The the last time we shouted
those people out and I was like,why don't we just start doing
that? I mean shout people out.
So since the last time we've hadorders from Connor Benson.
Thanks, Connor. I know Connor and Danny Garcia.
I believe Danny was up in the one up in Squamish, BC.

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You got Sia was in New York. Oh, was it OK?
Greg Walker was was Squamish. But what was crazy?
About, you know what, wherever you guys live, Greg Walker and
Danny Garcia. Thank you guys.
Danny Garcia was that he orderedthe most stuff ever.
Oh, is that the the Jenny Garciais?
Our biggest order of all time. Dude, Danny props Danny.
Danny's the man. Thank you and woman.

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No, no gender. Fair enough.
Whoever you are, Danny, thank you and thanks everybody who's
purchased stuff. We've got some cool stuff on
there right now. I think I'm cooking up some new
merch ideas for season 5. Fucking news to me.
Cooking up some new ideas. We'll, we'll see.
We'll see. Well, you know, I'll run them by
you first. Well.
Don't, but just don't bother. I've got my I've got my we've

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had a bunch of orders for this one.
Stakes as high tea. Thank you, but but thanks
everybody and I, you know what Iwill create a little merch
Jingle for for doing this in thefuture.
But Speaking of jingles. I had shit, I had music news.
Oh, I know what it was. Yeah, I got I got my music news
ready. You first, then you got music

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news. I love it.
You heard JoJo Siwa's cover of Betty Davis Size.
No, I did not. I did not know that was a thing.
Have you seen the clips of JoJo Siwa's cover of Betty Davis
Size? No, I have not.
The original singer, which I'm an idiot for not knowing who
said who, originally sang Betty Davis Eyes had like the most

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professional approach to the fact that JoJo Siwa covered that
song. I mean, you do you still have to
get permission to do a cover? I don't know.
That you have to get permission.You probably have to get
permission to release it officially and like profit off
of it, but. It was released and whoever
originally sang Betty Davis Eyeslike was very professional about
like, you don't necessarily haveto.

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You have to perform a song. You don't just sing a song and
it's fucking uncomfortable. Dude, now I'm going to have to
go watch that and like I'm writing it down right now.
Go go watch it. And then if if in the post
production you want to put the clip that is that has gone viral
of the JoJo Siwa's part, it's more it's more can you?

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Describe it to me. Can you describe it?
No, no, no, no. I want you to just.
It has. To be seen, it has to be seen to
be believed it's. Definitely worth it, it'll make
you giggle for sure. All right, well, that's that's
the news I did not have. You know the you know.
Have you ever seen Monsters Inc?Yeah, of course.
Have you OK so have you ever seen the viral thing that says

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what are two clips that gave thesame that give the same energy?
Do you know when Mike Wisnowski's getting yelled at by
the woman like the the receptionist lady with?
The glasses green. Yeah, with the cat eye glasses,
yeah. There's a couple of clips that
say one or two clips that give the same energy and it's JoJo CW
singing Betty Davis eyes and then.
Yelling. Yeah, for sure.

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So that's enough description of what you can expect.
I appreciate it. Well, my music news isn't that
fun, but nothing would be. I'll start with the biggest one.
Did you see that Hopeless Records has acquired Fat Wreck?
No, but I did read that the the last of the no FX recordings are

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coming out. They are and I think those are
going to be the last new releases on Fat Wreck.
So he basically Mike and his, what's his wife's name who run
Fat Records, they are retiring and they're retiring the label
and so they are selling everything to Hopeless Records.
So Hopeless gets the entire catalog and the release rights

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for all that stuff. The rules are that they cannot
release anything new under the Fat Record label.
They can only re release stuff and Fat Mike retains the rights
to the actual name itself. But Hopeless is basically
acquiring Fat Rex's entire catalog.
And I didn't see a cost on it. I didn't see a price, but I'm
really curious how much they're paying for that.

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Yeah, so that's an interesting one.
Did you see My Chemical Romance just went on tour?
Yeah, they did. And like, they're running from
their shows. They sound fucking great.
They sound amazing. It sounds incredible and they
played the whole album. They played the whole I'm not I
I I was never a big my Kim fan and even when I was, it was the
record before Black Parade. But.
Three cheers for sweet romance. Three cheers for.

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Black Parade would probably be acool record to see live because
it's such a it's such a queen ass.
What is that? What?
They're doing, are they playing?They're doing black.
Parade The tours called Long live Black Parade, and they're,
well, the first show was straight through.
I don't know if that's how the whole tour is going to be, but
that would be cool. It feels.
It's so theatrical. That'd be something to see live,
you know, totally new, new Bieber record first and four

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years. People freaking out online about
it already. July 25th or something like
that, people. Are already freaking out online
about that, you know? Deftones announced.
Deftones announced a new album, dropped a single.
Singles out as well. Yeah, cool album cover that was
kind of crush it with their album art.
So I don't know if this matters to you, but do you the new clips

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record is out and how do you know all the like lead up to
this stuff or do you know anything about it?
No. So Clips is Pusha T and Malice,
this is his brother. About this, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this is the first record in 16 years Pharrell produced it,
which he would, did old stuff for them.
It just came out. But they did this whole build up

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where they had all these collabs.
It was really cool because it's all independent too.
It wasn't like TikTok stuff or whatever.
They did like A cause like the street artist KAWS did the
artwork. They did some like merchant
stuff. They did a collab with Adidas
leading up to this. They did a collab with Carhartt
leading up to this, the cause stuff obviously, and they've all

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independent. They even like apparently one of
the songs has a Kendrick part init that Def Jam wanted them to
edit and I don't really understand why because I listen
to it and I'm not sure what he says that pissed them off, but
they were like, no, we're not editing as part.
And they bought themselves out of they paid 7 figures so Jeff
Jam to buy themselves out of their contract so they could
release the album unedited. Wow.

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Which is wild. So that's really cool.
Anyway, a lot of cool news around that record.
It's really good dude. I listened to it on my 3 1/2
hour drive yesterday. So but I know it's it's a pretty
big deal in like the old head hip hop community and hopefully
some new people listen to it tooget into that kind of stuff.
That's really cool. I'm excited.
To listen to that. Yeah, so that's my music news.

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That's boom, really well done. Thank you.
That's quick. It went.
It went quick. Quick and clean.
All right, well, it's 50 episode.
We got to get the guest in and just get run out on this
mixtape, right? 50 year anniversary. 50 year
anniversary. 50 episode anniversary.
Yeah, 50 episode anniversary. OK, let's get this thing done.

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That's usually a. That's usually.
A wedding DJ hit. A day to remember the like,
metal core band? Is that a?
Yeah. Totally.
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I mean, you got the cotton candything, which is shocking.
It's shocking. Well, it's been good to be on
the pod. Thanks for having me a good.
Guys like you've been a marketing guy your whole life
and you get name Shane Deegan. Welcome back for Episode 50.
Thanks for having all. The high regards.
It felt appropriate to have you on episode 50, you know?

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Have you guys already talked about 50 in your intro?
Do you guys you guys did the weather or you did the like?
We just. Mentioned it.
We just mentioned it was episode50.
We didn't make a big deal about it, but if you want to.
I want to make, I want to make abig deal about it.
And I want to ask you guys a couple questions about your your
50. Have you done?
That's sweet. Superlatives or anything like

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your? What's your favorite favorite
non Rob Harvilla based moment? Favorite on the moment?
Favorite moment? Question Go.
Go Dawn first. I like, I know.
I have mine. We talked about it in the intro
when Rod didn't realize that he had picked John Cougar

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Mellencamp twice. Jack and Diane.
Jack and Diane when he didn't realize it that he had picked it
twice, and he ultimately runs the Excel spreadsheet of all of
the songs. It's true.
And like I can, I can feel exactly how he felt in that
moment when it was like he had honorable mentions, he had other
songs to pick, and he picked thesame song twice on.

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The same pod. Hey Shane, how many songs were
in your iTunes music before you transitioned into a streaming
thing? 26,000. 26,000 How many songs do
you think there are? That seems like most of them.

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That seems like all of the songs.
That's all of the songs I. Appreciate what you're trying to
do, Don. 500 in second original song.
It was just a slip. It was it was a theme.
All right. So my favorite moment, non Rob,
non Rob Harvilla was actually from the same episode that I
fucked up and picked the song twice, which to be clear, it's
because of the theme. I was just being honest to the

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theme and I should have done my research and I didn't.
But that episode was the only live episode we tried to do.
It sounds like shit. Nobody listens to it because
they can't get more than 5 seconds into it.
It's terrible. But if they want to listen to
it, you get to hear Don. Beating me up for that And then
you also get to hear Don call his mother and his mother tell
him what ugly baby he was. That's true.

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Live on the phone, which was thefunniest shit ever.
Christian was crying like straight up tears falling from
his face. She asked.
Why do I make her say this? What an ugly baby I.
Was poor Joni, and she was trying to be sweet about it.
But Donnie, you know, Don, he was prying, he was poking.

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He was like, well, why? Like why don't you have any baby
photos of me? I love that this what?
Did you? What have you always told the
family? These gems get buried in the
episode that nobody listens to. This is great.
OK, I have one more for you guys.
Has there been something I was thinking about?
Like new things you were turned onto?

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I was. I listened last night to the the
road trip episode. She killed it by the way.
Bree was. Great.
I was, I was just like, if you're going to be on a high
fidelity inspired navel gazy music podcast, 13th Floor
Elevators. Yeah.
Bob Dylan hot chocolate and Jonathan Richmond.

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I was like, Oh my God, this you just you nailed it.
And I was thinking like, is there stuff you've been turned
on to or new artists? But I think more interestingly
is there's been stuff that you've sort of tying to today's,
they've gone back to like stuff that you had forgotten about
that you you used to listen to and doing research you've come
back to. Oh, for sure.

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I mean, I can kind of answer even both like the implied
question too. Like I remember the Dagan
episode, the drums episode when he brought up Shiner and I'd
never heard of Shiner and I wentlisten to him.
I was like this. I don't have, I never heard of
this band and that's happened a few times.
I'd have to go back and look. In fact, the last episode we
recorded it hasn't come out yet.So you wouldn't have have heard
this one yet, Shane, but Garrett, our guest picks some

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like kind of emo. We post hardcore band from
Chicago that I'd never heard of and I'm spacing on their name
right now. Do you remember what they were
called, Don I? Don't I?
Don't know. Oh, the Felix culpa.
Never heard of them. Listen to their entire catalog
since that episode. Like, fantastic.
Yeah, a lot of it is. And it's actually going to be

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kind of apropos for today's episode.
But like, it's forced me to put myself in like tween mindset
again. Like your teenage stuff sticks
around. That's like the first stuff I
think you go nostalgia with. It's like teenage years into
like college years or 20s. That stuff resonates hard.
And then all my adulthood shit is the shit I listen to
regularly. But this podcast is making me

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think back on like childhood anddig deep.
But also like those kind of transition years, which are like
your tween years where it's like, what the fuck was I
listening? All over the place?
You're all over the place, or atleast I was.
And so tons of stuff has come upAgain, there's some stuff on my
list today. So maybe I won't even give an
artist because it's going to come up today.

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But remembering how much electronic music I listen to,
that's come up on the cloud a lot.
What about you? Yeah, I would say for me, like,
it's brought back more memories of times of doing things.
Yeah. Like when we had Steve on for
what was Steve's topic? Oh, voices.
Like our favorite voices, our favorite vocalist.

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I spent a lot of time with Steveand at work where he was totally
the musical shaman. Like what he brought in was what
we listened to. And like, he's a dude that's
really, really into music. So he was bringing in shit
before it was starting to like he was.
Kind of on the. Forefront of what was starting

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to get cool, like I remember when he brought in the copy of
Fall out boys in the evening outwith your girlfriend that he had
gotten for Pete at like a, a Knights of Columbus Arlington
Heights show where they opened for Rise against in like the
suburbs of like a rented out VFWhall.

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And it was like, this is fuckinggreat.
This band's really good like, and then Fall Out Boy happened,
you know, or like I remember himfirst introducing me to the
Afghan Whigs and being like, Oh my God, what the fuck is this?
And like still listening to the Afghan Whigs to this day as a
result of that. And then hearing bands like the
New Amsterdam's covering the Afghan Whigs and being like, Oh

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my God, I didn't even know that the New Amsterdam's knew who the
Afghan Whigs were. So it was more so it just tells
so many journeys more so than like the introducing me to
songs. It it it invokes more so the
feelings of time that it does the music that I'm
reintroducing. But like, I've listened to so

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much new shit as a result of thepod all the time.
The the unlocking thing is real too.
Like music is good at that, but when you're forced to listen to
something that you you've heard but wouldn't normally listen to,
like somebody brings up a song, I pop it on to listen to it and
just all of a sudden it's like achest.
It just gets unlocked in my brain.
And like, holy shit, I remember this.

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Or I remember watching this music video and my couch and my
like, all these weird memories get unlocked, which is dope.
And then I will say one other thing because, you know, you've
got me reminiscing about the last 50 episodes here, Shane.
So thank you for that. One of my favorite things on
this pod. And I haven't talked about this
before, like new music, dope. Remembering old music, awesome.
But one of the coolest things ishearing people talk about songs

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that I already know or maybe already love, but getting a
completely different perspectiveor experience and what that song
means to them or why they like that song.
And sometimes making me rethink my relationship to a song or an
artist. And that's really cool.
And that's most guests we have. That happens almost every
episode. Like I know a lot of the songs
people are picking. We listen to a ton of music, but

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like hearing somebody else's perspective, like, you know,
this is recency bias because this just came out.
But like hearing Bree talk abouther mom's musical tastes and
then making me think about my parents musical tastes and how
that influenced me, you know, that kind of stuff.
So it's been awesome and I can'twait to do another 50 episodes
of it so. Yeah, it's it's awesome.
I Don I'm glad you talked about the like, the experiences like

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it takes you back because music is music and we all love music
for what it is and just having something that's comfortable
with you. But it's about taking you back
to some time in your life and connecting you to those
experiences and the the sort of sensory, sensory memories of
those experiences. I'm, I started talking about DJ

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ING tonight. Whenever I talked to a couple
about their event and, and doinga wedding for people, I always
ask when they graduated high school because I want to know
when they were 13. I want to know like what, where
were you when you were 131415? Because that's going to be that
music that you come back to later in life.
You'll have your adult music, you'll have your teenage
experience that'll be sort of unique to you.

(27:16):
But when you first started getting into music, we're all in
that same space where this is like my identity now and and
these things are unique to me, which is what makes today's
topic so interesting. Hey, great transition.
Hey, great. Job.
I'm a I'm a podcast guy, so let's get into it, right?
This is songs that we each recorded off the radio.

(27:41):
Part 2. This is where you guys started.
This was episode 1. You sent me like a file, right?
It was like on a Google Drive orsomething.
You had recorded this. You were like, listen to this.
How does it sound? What do you guys?
What do you think? Yep.
And I was blown away by you guys.
The sort of connection that the two of you have and the way you
play off of each other. And I was like, this is this
works. This is going to be awesome.

(28:02):
I've not gone back and listened to that yet.
I bet it feels super different now if you went back to it.
Oh bad, I bet. But at the time, you know when
you're you know when your friends play their their band
for you and you're like, oh, OK,I'll listen to your band.
And then a couple times in your life you have that experience.

(28:24):
Where for me it was working at Borders Books and Music in
Tucson. And my friend Adam came in and
said, you got to hear my new band.
We recorded. We went out to my 91 Honda
Accord and sat in the parking lot and he put in the demo CD
for the Bled and I was like, this is the best band I've ever

(28:45):
heard. Like I was ready to just be
like, OK, I'm nodding along my my friends band.
Cool, I'll support you guys knowthis is my new favorite band and
I had a similar experience listening to you guys podcast
like, Oh, I know these guys. This will be funny and and I'll
give it a give it a whirl. But I was like, this is this is

(29:05):
going to be a really fun thing to follow over time.
So obviously this brings it fullcircle.
So one one of the pitches for this episode, we had a few
ideas, but one was to do a Part 2 of our very first episode.
Why was this one that you felt like you wanted to to do Shane?
I missed out on that one and I had that experience of like

(29:26):
listening to myself and, and I don't know if this is only true
because I know you guys, but youlisten to, when I listen to your
podcast, there are conversationswhere I'm like, I want to insert
myself. I want to reply to that.
I have something I think is relevant or, or better or funny
or whatever to interject here. And, and so I always wanted to

(29:49):
come back to this topic. But then, like we said in the a
couple minutes ago, it's about experiences and it's about
personal connections. And this one I, there's like AI
think an ongoing bit with me where all of my topics are going
to be like time capped. So I've done this is my third

(30:09):
episode. I'm never going to be able to
talk about music for the last 25years because my 3 episodes so
far have been songs from the 90s, songs you dad played in
your car when you were a kid andsongs you recorded off the
radio, which means it ends in like 1998.
There's no, there's no music past that, but that's again,

(30:31):
that's, that's where you're building your own individuation,
your own identity. And, and so those are those are
meaningful parts of your life. I mean, we're all of a similar
age here, too, so that's part ofit.
That's actually one of the challenges of this pod in an
episode like, this is time stamped, so that's
understandable. But like, there's other episodes
where I have to push myself sometimes to have more recent

(30:51):
songs to like, you know, push the boundaries a little bit.
But yeah. I will say that to add to
Shane's piece really quick, my favorite when you talk about
like the how you want to insert yourself into the conversations
or whatever. My favorite conversations to
have are people talking shit about the songs we missed,
whether it's texts, whether it'scomments, whether it's phone

(31:14):
calls, whatever, anytime. Somebody's like how the fuck did
you not put this on? It's my favorite conversation
and I think that's where the strength in this format lies is
because everyone has their contribution to what song they
were recorded off the radio. Everyone has their contribution,
their favorite Christmas song. Everyone has like these things.

(31:35):
And that's what makes this format able to live for forever
because topics are unlimited, right?
We can we can cover whatever we want for forever.
So please, if you are a listenerand you think we did wrong,
always tell. Us always.
Tell. Us always comment and tell us

(31:56):
where we fucked up. It's my favorite conversation.
It's a it should be a conversation.
This whole pod should be a conversation.
Like what you guys do for an hour or whatever should be the
starter of that conversation. And then there's like, it just
lives on. To get big enough where and we
do get comments and thank you for our regular listeners you
comment, but I would love it to be we get enough of those

(32:16):
comments where the we start every episode with reading where
people are telling us we fucked up on the previous one.
Like that would be a blast to me.
Like so and so from such and such said that this song doesn't
even fit the theme. Defend yourself, right?
Like that would be a blast. That's bullshit.
Shane never recorded that onto atape.

(32:36):
Yeah, yeah. Liar, liar.
He made that up. Speaking of which, real quick,
sorry, now we're sidetracking again, but I was going to say
this in the intro and I forgot We are 14 followers away from
hitting 200 followers and to be dope to hit 200 before season 5.
So hell yeah, we got two more episodes for people to tell us,
tell their friends about us. That's my goal.

(32:58):
I I don't want a one star reviewbut still riding five stars.
Still riding five stars. Still riding five stars.
All right. Do you do you know the rules,
Shane? I know the rules since we did
that one. Bring them on.
Oh, were you asked the guest to do the?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
The rules are you got to start with a banger.

(33:21):
Killer killer opening track, No repeats.
You know, song or artist can't be too obscure.
You got to. Yeah, you got to end with
something that keeps the listener wanting more, and
that's it. That's all that matters.

(33:42):
That is pretty much all that matters, but I'll fill it out.
So each song should flow smoothly, different balance of
genres, tempos, moods and the mix tape should tell a story.
But that's why we have themes. So first, second or third?
Shane 3rd, 3rd. It's a Don.
You're first on this one. OK, So what year were the most

(34:03):
physical compact discs sold? Oh shit, in the history?
Of the world, what year were themost physical compact discs
sold? 1997 It's my guess, Seamus I'm.
Gonna say I'm gonna say 2000. Years 1999.
The most physical compact discs were sold in 1999.

(34:24):
How many compact discs were soldin 1999?
Two, I have. No, I don't.
I don't even have context for what it's like. 800 million.
Yeah, it's going to just go up to straight billion, so.
943,000,000 compact discs were. Sold.
In 1999. Hey, I feel good about our
bracketing of the of the number.That's good.

(34:45):
Is this just in the US or is this like a worldwide number?
It is, according to the Recording Industry Association
of America. So it's just US.
Just USI. Was going.
To say there has to have been more than a billion sold in the
world, like for sure in a year, OK.
But it says globally CDs were also their strongest around the
time globally they were sold in 1999 as well.

(35:07):
But in the US there was 943,000,000 CDs.
So, So what I did I, you know, you probably had six CDs in 97,
you probably had 10 C DS in 98 and then 99 is when you start to
a massive CD collection. Does that sound fair?
Like 99 was when you got probably started getting a lot,

(35:27):
but prior to that was mostly cassettes, right?
And even when you wanted multiple artists on a cassette,
prior to that you were still recording songs from the C DS on
to the cassette. So what I did was I took us on a
journey through time leading up to me getting a lot of C DS.
OK. OK.
So we're starting in 1994. And if I remember one of them I

(35:51):
like, I probably had three CDs in 1994 and one of the first CDs
that I had in, but I probably didn't fill one of the three
slots with Ace of Base. But the sign would have
definitely have been recorded off the radio onto a cassette.
And that would be in my 1994 contribution would be the sign

(36:13):
by Ace of Base. It's enough in my eyes for the
time. Open up my eyes for the time.
Life is too Merlin with a Thunder falling eyes for the
time. Open up my eyes for the time.

(36:36):
Fantastic. Yeah, absolutely.
I have this. I have an ongoing playlist of
songs that I know I want to bring up on the pod at some
point. It just the theme has to hit and
this is on there, so I can't, I now can never pick this.
No, I took it, but that's fine because it's a great song.
We could talk about it anyway. What makes this a song that you
would have recorded off the? Radio or 94 would probably still

(36:57):
been leaning a little bit more heavy pop versus more alt rock,
right? My sister was probably starting
to get into alt rock in 94, whereas I was probably still pop
radio. You know, I wasn't cool enough
to listen to that I, you know, was probably still mostly
mainstream music. I wasn't getting into edgier
shit. Like, I shouldn't say edgier.

(37:18):
I wasn't getting into like cooler shit yet.
So this would have been on B96, the Killer Bee in Chicago, Eddie
and Jobo, the fucking morning Dudes, and this would have been
a huge song in 94 that would have been everywhere in pop
radio. So this would have been one of

(37:40):
those ones that was catchy enough I could still damn near
draw you that album cover from memory.
The four quadrants of the album.Cover a rose, is that right?
It's almost like a weird. We have like, bright grass green
and pink, yeah. But did I want to spend 1899 at
Sam Goody on all of Ace of Basesalbum?

(38:03):
No, but I sure as hell love The Sign and all that she wants.
So this was to play on the radio.
This was like, so obviously I was, I was listening to a lot of
like alternative radio and everyonce in a while I put on like
the hip hop station too, when itwhen we actually had one.
But my mom would go between likethe adult contemporary station
and there was a station in Indy called WZPL, which was like the

(38:27):
biggest one because it was pop radio.
They played everything if it waspopular, and this would have
been on that station. And I would have been stoked in
in the car with my mom if this would come on because she
probably wouldn't have changed the station, even though she
probably didn't like this. But it wasn't like it wasn't
distressing enough to her to change the station, which means
I actually would get to hear something cool and different.

(38:47):
Like, I don't have a memory of that directly, but this is
probably that type of song whereI would have heard that it would
have played through. Yeah.
It's a Max Martin song, right? I would assume early, early Max
Martin. The assumption would be yes,
but. I trust.
Yeah, Yeah. He knew what he was doing.
What else do you guys know aboutAce of Base?
Two dudes, 2 girls. It's also BASEI spelled it BASS

(39:13):
like Oh, you did like a like bass like well, what what is
what is ace of what are they BA?Are they saying they're bass?
It's like like. Yeah, you, you get it.
Also also, can we take, can we take a second?
Did we talk about Chit on the last episode?

(39:34):
Did I talk? Did I bring up Chit?
Did I bring up do it, lady? Because I can't, I can't stop
saying it. It's like an autistic tick at
this point. It's like a Tourette's tick.
No, we didn't bring it up. This is not produced by Max
Martin. Oh.
He. Did one of their songs, What was
that? What was their second record?
Had a hit on it. Second record, Yeah, they had a,

(39:56):
they had a follow up. They had a few hits, I think
they don't turn around, but thatwas the second round thing.
What was it? Oh, different record.
OK, OK. Also, is there any I'm going to
change my profile pic on LinkedIn to the profile pic of
all four of the members of Ace of Base on Spotify?
If you are. In any capacity, any listener,

(40:17):
anywhere to go look at the photoof the band on Spotify right
now. It is outstanding.
Hang on, move back in a second. I'm going to screenshot this
and. All that she wants was the
other. I already said this.
Were you just even listening to me?
Oh yeah, it's all off it. Oh, it's a beautiful life.
That's what I was thinking of. Oh yeah, I forgot about.
That, yeah. I might make this the background

(40:42):
on my computer. Yeah.
That's it. Ace of base sign the biggest
single. Absolutely fantastic.
We've talked about it on the podbefore before I get my pick, but
back in the day before the Internet, I think Shane, we even

(41:02):
talked to you about it, this call back to a past episode with
you, but before you could verifythings and rumors would run
rampant and you would think things about bands for decades
before you learned it. I thought things about this band
that I cannot find information on online and I will not repeat
them because they were horrible things, but I thought they were
true. And I'm looking at Wikipedia now
and I find nothing about it on Wikipedia.
So that's good news. That's very good news for me

(41:26):
listening to Ace of Base becauseI always thought something
really horrible about one of their members and I'm not seeing
it so. Jeez, would it make it weird?
It's. Not weird, it's making it.
Weird 13 million monthly listeners.
Oh shit, no, it is true. Never mind.
You found it. OK, anyway, let people look that

(41:51):
up for themselves. My first pick, so this is I kind
of referenced it in my little radio spiel earlier, but I was,
you know, I first recorded on the radio.
I picked Coolio and Warren GI was dipping my toe into hip hop.
You know, growing up in the suburbs of in Indiana as a white
kid, like you're only exposed tohip hop through MTV and the
radio. But we did have a hip hop

(42:12):
station. And I know for a fact, I don't
know for a fact if I taped this or not.
I don't remember exactly what I taped, but I know for a fact
that I got obsessed with this song when it came out in 93.
I remember kids on the playground singing it and doing
the dance, like the movement to it.
So this absolutely would have been something I recorded off
the radio. I probably have it on a mixtape
somewhere, but it's going to be hip Hop Hooray by Naughty By

(42:35):
Nature. I live in time for hip hop.
This is hip hop for today. I give props to hip hop to hip
hop. Hooray.
Oh, great call. And this was like that.

(42:56):
Like they're still really good. It's still Naughty By Nature,
but it's pretty suburb kid friendly, at least on the
surface. Like hip hop.
Hooray, I give props to hip hop.So hip hop Hooray.
And you've got the you're wavingyour arms back and forth, right?
You probably go to like a Pacersgame and they're playing this in
the so everybody can go. This was Ken Griffey Junior's

(43:18):
walk up music in the Kingdom, like and that drum that because
that's getting into like becausethey had had OPP was the Jackson
5 sample like that really swung.But this was you're getting into
boom bap, like you're getting into that mid 90s.
It's really big. Like kick, Well, this is the the

(43:38):
funky drummer is the drum samplehere, which is like the most
sampled boom bap drummer ever. So like, yeah, this is this
funky drummer. And also a music video.
I probably saw this on MTV, likeSpike Lee music video, which is
nothing like crazy special. It's very just 90s hip hop
video. It's like dudes rapping in front
of a graffiti wall and stuff, but they've got their baseball
bats and they've got their dudesjust look so fucking tough, you

(44:02):
know? Even now they still look pretty
tough. Like great vibe, though.
Yeah, it's like that. They they did a great job of
having it was cool. It was like boom bappy stuff,
but a little harder at the time.Like now it might not sound like
it, but at the time they had an edge to them that Tribe didn't
have, right? Like a lot of those artists
didn't have this. These guys felt edgier and

(44:23):
tougher even though they're saying Hooray a bunch of times
in a song. Just doesn't feel very edgy.
But early hip hop for me would have been Naughty By Nature for
sure. And OPP would have been
something I know, I knew. I, you know, another probably
rumor thing. Like what does OPP stand for?
Talking on the playground about what OPP stood for.
But. They do a good job explaining

(44:43):
it. I get it.
I get those. The songs about Thanks Don, I
get. It.
They really do. You can just listen to the song.
Yeah, fair. I would have been nine years old
when it came out though. So yeah, give me a little bit of
give me a little bit of leeway here.
Sure. Sheamus.

(45:03):
All right, I'm going to go. I'm going to go biographical and
I hope I don't don't have any steals happen.
I'm going to move through my musical exploration from 11/12
through college. And so New Year's Eve, end of
1991, they were doing the radio station, pop radio station was

(45:27):
doing like a we're going to playthe biggest songs of the year.
And I remember sitting on the floor of my bedroom with the
with the boom box recording these songs because I was like,
where else will I ever get all of these songs in one place?
Like this is not an experience that you're going to get
anywhere else. And I, I missed the beginning of

(45:48):
the countdown, but I distinctly remember getting someday by
Mariah Carey and Motown Philly by Boys to Men.
And then the top ten has this weird for people of a certain
age, this weird like conglomeration of these like
slow dance songs, these like popR&B crossover slow dance songs

(46:12):
that were like every middle school dance in 1991.
You're going to play these four or five songs.
They're all in this one year. And I've talked before.
It was an honorable mention before about Because I Love You,
the Postman song by Stevie B, but I'm going to go with the
other one from that exact genre.I'm going to go with one more
try by Timmy T. And after all that we have been

(46:36):
through, won't you let me tell you why?
One more try, I didn't know how much I loved you.
One more try. Let me put my arms around you.

(46:58):
Do you guys know this song? Hell yeah.
OK, I haven't listened to this song in like 30 plus years, and
I went back and listened to it this week as I was doing my
research. It's terrible.
It's like so. Just like, resurfaced about
this. Like there was just.
About Timmy T. Yes.
It's it's awful, like I know thesong that I could sing every

(47:20):
word because I knew it by heart from this tape when I was 11 or
12. He Kimmy T first of all, looks
like that Matt LeBlanc. Yeah.
He looks like. He's play a.
Hot substitute teacher on saved by the Bells.
Like his episodes Saved by the bells.
He's a substitute but all the girls have a crush on him.
Yes, explaining he's not OK for a teacher to date a student.

(47:40):
That's the Yep. He's creepy.
And then Mr. Belding saves the day.
Yeah, he promises to take the river rafting.
He's not a good singer and it sounds like it sounds like it's
like a shitty pet shop. Voice.
Like I, I like I have the, I have the like 24 key keyboard

(48:05):
with the demo. It's the same one that
Timberland had when he was 13. It's like I can't believe how
bad this song is but this was like this was the middle school
slow dance jam. Also real quick, his bio on
Spotify. Outstanding.
Opens with this sentence. Although Timmy TS brief career

(48:26):
failed to yield much of A legacy, he nevertheless enjoyed
several months of popularity in 1991.
Wow, do you think he. Wrote that himself.
That is not as rough. Some family member wrote it.
They call this song a freestyle ballad.
I don't. I don't know what that means.

(48:48):
Did he just make the lyrics up as he was going?
It sounds like it. The vocal take is is rough,
especially if you play it next to Someday by Mariah Carey.
It's doesn't hold up, but that is a distinct childhood memory.
Those songs all on the tape because I had to have them in my
collection. Those hits of 1991?

(49:09):
If there was a song that you were in a couple skate only to,
it would be Timmy T. This is couple skate only and
like your hand is literally dripping sweat as you're getting
ready to hold that girl's hand. You're shaking.
Like, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Timmy T Stevie B Oh High 5. I like the way the kissing game
that was on the that was on thatlist as well.

(49:31):
This is some jams. Dude, this song sounds like he
just hit the demo button on Acacio.
That's all it is, right? Or it's just a pre recorded drum
beat and a pre recorded piano line.
There's no way anybody's playingthis.
These are these are straight up like he picked the key and it
just demo played. And then maybe that's what he
means by freestyle. Like maybe to me we got 3 1/2
minutes. Like he's the guy outside on

(49:54):
Airpods on the podcast. Like that's the vocal quality
you're getting here. It's a good self burn, but I
will also say I've never seen this album cover before and I
don't think I can make a more 90s album cover if I tried to.
Everything about what he's wearing, his haircut, the the
the elementary school photo backdrop that he's standing in

(50:15):
front of that's pink, the weird circle text that spread out for
the album title time after like everything about is insanely
early 90s like transition from 80s to 90s visually so you.
Enjoyed several months of popularity.
Several months. Well done, graphic designer.
Label. Label classic.

(50:36):
I was. Looking up for similar artists
and Debbie Gibson popped up. Guess I could see that.
She's looking great. Debbie Gibson's still killing
it. Good for you.
Right, Don, That's you, right? That's me, 1994.
We're moving up to 1995. Still pop.
But now maybe I'm getting a little bit edgier.
Maybe I'm spending some time with Roderick on the On the
Playground. Who's listening to Naughty By

(50:57):
Nature? Except, you know, these reggae
roots run deep. So I'm listening to any Kamosi.
Here comes the hot supper. I love it like that.

(51:18):
No, no, we don't die. Yes, we multiply and then one
breast will hear the my Lady saying I can.
Let you know. Recall I know what don't.
Know. If I was 13 walking out onto the

(51:39):
driveway basketball court, this was the song I was walking out
to. This or the fucking Chicago
Bulls song when they walk out ofthe stadium.
But yeah. Serious, serious.
Alan Parsons project. Is that what?
That. Yeah, it's.
Been on the pod before. OK.
Don picked that. I think it's pronounced any
Kamosi. Am I right on that one?

(51:59):
Yeah, I think so. I and I Any Kamosi.
Should any Kamosi. Or is it I and I Kamosi like I
and I is a reggae thing? Well, it could be I and I
Kamosi, but I think it's any Kamosi we have to do like, you
know, let let the computer tell us how to say it.
But should he average 5 million monthly listeners?
Still probably not. But am I stoked that he does?

(52:20):
Absolutely. And we're talking the article
mix, right? Because that was the single I
think. Yeah, for sure.
OK. Yeah, what's the original sound
like? I don't know.
Yeah, no, that is. That is a.
Monster hook. Crate Song.
Such a cool song and like yeah, you can see where this like on a
mixtape, this song falls opener,right?

(52:41):
Like this is the opening track of the.
Mixtape pretty hard to It's pretty hard to Yeah, this is.
The thing that like gets your mixtape kicked off for sure
stoked all the time. It's not.
Going to be, I mean, not going to be Timmy T.
No, it's not going to be. Timmy T is going to take it down
for sure. Such a cool song.
So many good samples in the song.

(53:01):
It's just, it's just a badass mixtape song from 1995.
So that's the one. This would have been on like pop
radio too, which would have. Been 100% yeah.
I get a little less poppy as I get older, but this version of
Donnie was definitely listening to the pop radio bullshit.
Killer Bee B 96. This is one of those songs, too,

(53:24):
that as an opener, like, it's instant.
It's the first second when you get the.
Yeah, like, right away, like everybody in the room knows it.
This is. Yeah, this is a banger.
Also it opens with that hit it which is a great way to open a
mixtape too. Yeah, that's good.

(53:44):
His Spotify profile photo goes hard as fuck.
It's us. Harder than Ace of base, no?
Harder than fucking Naughty By Nature.
Not harder than Ace of base. Please, I'm begging you to go
listen. Go look at the Spotify Ace of
base profile picture. Like what is that guy on the

(54:05):
right doing? Can I change my LinkedIn profile
to any Kamosi's picture? For sure.
Absolutely. I tried I tried to share a
screenshot of it in the chat andit didn't work.
It just gave the link but man. I'm looking at it though.
It's. It's everything.
It is everything. Yeah.
If I describe this photo in one word of ace of base, it would

(54:26):
be. It would be haircuts.
That's how I'd I'd say, hey, haircuts.
I would describe it as scowls. Yeah, a lot of downturn,
downturn looks. That Lady, that Lady never got
her baby. Yeah, no, she didn't.
That's all that she wants, too. That's all she wanted.
That's all that she wants. She never got it.

(54:48):
No, that's all. She wants shit.
Roderick, over to you. Oh.
Fantastic. All right, so a lot of my
mixtape journey when I was also laying on my bedroom floor with
my Bose boom box with the detachable speakers you could
also attach. Again to it the the rod
privilege runs deeper right around the Astro.

(55:09):
You're listening on Bose Dog. I bought that with my own.
No, it was a Sony, sorry. It was a Sony, OK?
It was for sure she was Christ Sony, sorry.
Sony come from the Swaparama. It wasn't fucking making its
way. No, I did buy it with my own
money. I don't know how I earned that
money. Probably I didn't have an
allowance, so I would have had to do probably cut my grandma's
grass or something. But it had.

(55:29):
It looked like a full boom box, but the speakers came off.
Yeah, for sure. Anyway, I've had in depth
conversations about that radio. OK, a lot of people probably had
that same 1 so I I I can picturesitting you.
Have the bass boost button. Oh, I had a bass boost button
which had a very satisfying haptic feel to it.
And I know that word from iPhoneeras.

(55:50):
But the most common thing for meto actually put on a mix tape
would be AI was even when I was younger, I remember being an
album guy. So if I it was a band that I
felt like I really liked, I would want to go buy their tape
or buy their CDI did that a lot.So the the songs I was mostly
recording I was like weird stuff, like stuff that fit
outside of my norm and most of it was alt rock radio shit.

(56:12):
But this song has always spoken to me and would have definitely
been outside of my fucking wheelhouse and would have
absolutely been played on X1O3. I would have heard it when it
came out in 1991 but I probably would have heard it later in
like 9596. So it would have been every once
in a while thing, but I'm going with Psycho Billy Freak out from
Reverend Horton Heat. 100%.

(56:58):
God, you were. Cool.
Yeah, you're super cool. I.
Don't think I was cool, I think I was into weird shit and I
think that's actually going to be the the theme of the rest of
my mixtape. Is what were you, what radio
station were you listening to? Just play Reverend Horn Heat.
Well, so X one O 3 was the alt rock station, but they had this
late night show that I would listen to where the DJ would
just it would still rock, but hewould basically play whatever
the fuck he was into. And you would get really weird

(57:21):
deep cut anything on like an altrock or indie indie rock kind of
label. Like this was on sub pop.
This record, Smoke Em, if you got em came out on sub pop and
like he was playing all kinds ofthis kind of stuff.
He'd play like I remember him playing like Brian Setzer and
stray Cat. So there was like this this
rockabilly thing he would do sometime.

(57:41):
I wish I knew his name. I wish I knew what that show
was, but it was like after 11:00PM on that station.
So it's probably like I had a radio in my room and I'm not
supposed to be awake, but I haveit on anyway kind of shit.
And he would just play. That's when you would hear like
industrial stuff. Like I almost picked an
industrial song. Shit, I'll say it.
None of you guys, you guys are going to have it.
I almost had a Snake River Conspiracy song, but that would

(58:02):
have been later. That came out later.
But he would have been playing like industrial, been playing
rockabilly. Anything in the like extended
rock'n'roll alt Rocky universe. So and you know, I had my dad
liked stray cats and stuff. So this wasn't a language I was
completely unfamiliar with. The like, old school throwback
rockabilly world. Wow, you are cooler than most

(58:26):
children recording songs I. Think I was I think I was a
nerd. I think I was a music nerd to.
Think like I'm going to record Reverend Horton.
Heat is pretty fucking cool. I know you're a dork, but I
mean, I thought you were cool. It's still cool.
I'm impressed. You've always had a stand up
bass through line. Like I know you have the EDM

(58:48):
stuff and the that heavier side,but there's a stand up bass that
goes through. I've always been.
I've always had a thing for bass, for the bass man, I don't
know what. It is, yeah.
That's super cool. Are you trying to show me the
the dude? I'm trying to share all sorts of
shit in the chat and it's just. The model I had the photo of
it's not loading so I can't. None of it works, man.
But yeah, so that's my second pick.

(59:11):
OK, great choice. Alright, it's me.
I OK, so in my dad's living room, he had the like the
cabinet stack with the CD player, the double cassette, the
amp, the whatever. And he had the RCA running
behind to the amp from the TV soyou could play TV sound in the

(59:33):
living. And I recorded I, I remember the
like a clear with the pink and yellow on it, the Memorex
cassette tape. I recorded sat and did the the
pause and the record on EOMTV raps and like just sitting and
watching and be like, OK, I wanthip hop music similar to you

(59:56):
with not even nature. Like how I'm a suburban white
kid. This is cool, this is broken and
I want to know about rap music. And so I'm going to listen to
this tape and I remember going out.
The most civil and white kid shit you can do going to San
Juan Islands and with my yellow sports Walkman and listening to
my memorex tape of you MTV raps hits.

(01:00:19):
And there's like some Fresh Prince and iced tea and and kid
in play and stuff on my tape. But the the song that like felt
different from everybody else and I didn't know.
I didn't know how cool it was atthe time or that it would to
hang around and be relevant to me. 30 plus years later.
Was potholes in my lawn that De La Soul?

(01:00:39):
Everybody's saying. What to?
Do when sucka Luna things start digging and chewing?
They don't know that the solo gofor that potholes in my lawn and
that goes for my raw sleep, which I concentrated so hard on
sleep. I don't ask for maximum
security, but my dwelling is swelling.
It lit my butt when I happened to fall in.

(01:01:01):
And like you were cool too. I didn't know that though, Like
I, I, I probably liked ain't going to hurt nobody by kidding
play more. But I remember potholes in my
lawn. I remember that like being funny
to me at that age would be like,Oh, this is this is different
and weird. And I have this whole mix of rap

(01:01:22):
and I have to respect this because I don't I don't know
enough to to know better. But that that whole record
principle on that record, just the samples on that record are
killer. We talked, I think already about
the all the Steely Dan samples, but that's a the main sample on
puddles and I want is a war sample from the record they did

(01:01:44):
with Eric Burdon. Like and it's just that cooks
that springing about my own palate, like just it's so cool.
But that's, that's a record thatlike I would come back to
probably it would take 1015 years to come back to and go,
Oh, well, these are the guys whodid that thing for my mix tape
when I was 11 or 12 and I was paying attention to the other

(01:02:05):
stuff on the tape. It sounds like you recorded
kitten play Ain't gonna hurt Nobody.
And then you just like headed like run to the kitchen for like
easy squeezy juice and potholes in my lawn accidentally got
recorded and you're like, oh shit, I'm stuck with this one
not too. So now I like this song.
Yeah, no, I've got this whole tape.
It's something. Kind of a man.

(01:02:26):
Plastic bottle that you twist the thing that looks as juicy on
the top. Yeah, it sounds like that's what
you want to get. Yeah, that makes sense.
I could go for an easy squeeze right now.
Some of the one that wants to get me an easy squeeze, I don't
think they make those anymore. That's still a thing.
I don't know, you had to go had.To go grab A and you called it.
And you by the way, by the way, you called it a juice.

(01:02:46):
It is not juice, my friend. It is nothing but sugar and
water juice. It is sugar and water juice.
You're using that word liberally.
It's a juice, it's a juice, it'sa juice product.
It's a juice. It's a flavored drink product.
Juice adjacent it's by kool-aid.It's an easy squeeze juice
product. It's like, do you know that

(01:03:07):
it's? Not.
Called ice cream at Dairy Queen.Did you know that Dairy Queen is
not called ice cream? What's it called?
Dairy frozen. Dairy frozen dessert.
Frozen dairy dessert or something like that.
It's not called ice cream, whichis fantastic.
So on the start chopping episode, the samples episode, I
picked the song off this record too.
And I think we did talk about iton that episode with our guests,
which was this idea of like theyused the best samples and they

(01:03:30):
used so many of them. And this was the late era where
you could still do that. Although they eventually did get
that's why they weren't on streaming for so long because
they're labeled. Wouldn't pay for the to get all
the samples cleared. Tommy Boy bullshit.
But yeah, that is the it's the same era as Paul's Boutique.
Like we just and and takes a nation 1,000,000.

(01:03:51):
Like we got in right under the wire to do these.
Like, oh, we have 800 samples including beetles and stones and
all this different stuff. And Nope, that's going to.
That's going to change. I don't want it to get into this
will be a really long discussion.
I don't want to fully get into it, but I've never understood in
music, and I guess the precedentwas set back in the 90s with the

(01:04:12):
sample thing and how you have tolicense it and pay these
percentages to these original artists.
But I've never understood why it's not just free use to use a
tiny clip of something like that.
Because in visual art there's like appropriation clauses where
you can utilize other people's visual mediums as long as you're
changing it X percent, right? How does that not go for music
too? You know, I've never understood

(01:04:34):
that. Like you, they're changing it at
its core, they're making something completely new and I
don't understand why artists, it's hip hop artists and so it's
probably racism. That's probably.
Why? No, it's racism.
It's just racism. They're like, you should be able
to create something new out of these past things.
Visual artists do it all the time.
Yeah. No, it's, it's it's strictly
racism because the people who were using this as a as a medium

(01:04:57):
to create a business and a livelihood for themselves were
predominantly black. And it was a fight that Public
Enemy was doing since their first record.
Like because they were they weretold that it wasn't art, that
they weren't original. They weren't creating anything.
Yeah. And then when the DJ wasn't
wasn't an artist. Well, I mean, we can't, we can't

(01:05:18):
make money, we can't monetize these episodes on YouTube
because it's all copyright struck.
And even though it it's clearly under fair use copyright law,
YouTube doesn't give a shit about that, which is a,
everybody knows this if they follow Youtubers, but YouTube
doesn't give a shit. They leave it up to like the
publishing companies. Those publishing companies are
like, fuck, you pay me. So I know.
And it's like, what? But we're literally reviewing

(01:05:40):
and putting commentary on music and then actually sending people
to go to listen to these artists.
We're promoting your music essentially.
But if I put a little clip on here, I can't, we can't make
money on it on YouTube. And it's so dumb.
It's so dumb. And that's, that was the art.
That was the whole premise of Stetsa Sonic doing talking all

(01:06:00):
that Jazz was talking about thisidea of like, we're sending
people to listen to these records.
Like nobody was going back and discovering Dizzy Gillespie
under the age of 45 at the time.And we're helping to do that.
And that's. That's what was cool about the
the Jazzmatazz record is his Blue Note went either went to
him or they just call up. They've just said like you can

(01:06:21):
use anything in the Blue Note catalog to build this record,
put it out on Blue Note too, I believe.
And so that was like a cool thing.
We're like, I'm still sure therewas like legal stuff there like
publishing rights and stuff likethat.
But like that was still like youhave open carte blanche, use our
entire catalog, build whatever you want out of it.
That was smart from Blue Note. That was dope.

(01:06:42):
For sure, embrace it like this is how you're going to discover
new fans. I could talk about that sample
shit and like copyright law for a long time, 'cause I'm
passionate about that shit, especially now, that actually
annoys me. I have to deal with it with the
podcast all the time. That shit, Like I've read the
cut, fucking fair use copyright law.
It's not that long. It's pretty.
It's pretty straightforward and like we are within our rights to

(01:07:03):
use that stuff. And yet, lawyers, right,
Attorneys. The only undefeated, only
undefeated resource on the planet Earth is billable.
Ours. So.
Well, all right, Don. Yeah.
I'm going to get, I'm going to get heated here, so you better
give us the next sum, hey? You know what?
I'll cool you off with the prideof Cleveland.

(01:07:24):
Please do are you can I guess. Yeah, Hell yeah.
Are you going Bone Thugs and Harmony?
You won't be lonely, dog. Yes.
You won't be lonely. I'll see you at that crossroads.
I. Mean.
Uncle Charles. Uncle Charles, I'm going to miss

(01:08:08):
everybody. I miss him.
I miss everybody. Yeah.
Yeah, pride of Cleveland. Now we're getting a little
edgier, right? A little less pop and you could
see like any Kamosi was the bridge from real pop to pop
edge. Now I'm listening to something
and then like I would I like probably this would have been
ACDI would have bought and then I was like, whoa.

(01:08:29):
I just I think I just like crossroads in 1st of the month.
I don't think I was ready for the rest of Bone Thugs.
This is too real. I loved 1st of the month I
loved. I probably didn't fully
understand what they were spending their money on, no to
be honest. But was it?
The Big Lebowski reference that tomorrow is already the 10th
that started our date sharing texts.

(01:08:51):
Or was it first of the month? No, it was it was tomorrow's
already the 10th. It was it because it was Big
Lebowski. For the first, like four or
five, we're just Big Lebowski. And then we expanded it because
you get to Mean Girls. Let me.
Throw back the curtain for you for a second.
So Shane and I's text feed is mostly music related, except any

(01:09:15):
kind of pop reference key date that's ever brought up.
OK. There's usually a gift exchange
or for some reason, it also evolved into like, amateur
drawings of whatever's happening.
So it started with The Big Lebowski.
And there's a scene in The Big Lebowski where his landlord

(01:09:36):
shows up to his door and he says, hey, tomorrow's already
the 10th. Just slide the rent check under
my door. And there's a scene where he's
standing in the door and it's a meme and says, hey, dude,
tomorrow's already the 10th. So we would send that to each
other on the 10th of like on the9th of every month.
And then from there it evolved into first of the month by Bone

(01:09:56):
Thugs and we would send each other pictures of Bone Thugs and
Harmony on the 1st of the month,which usually ended up being
drawings like prisoner drawings of Bone Thugs, like people in
prison, drying portraits of BoneThugs.
Of like, yeah, they got like busy bone portraits and stuff.
Then it kind of turned into the Mean Girls.
Aaron Samuels asked me what dateit was and I told him it was

(01:10:18):
October 3rd. So then we started texting each
other on October 3rd. Mean Girls references.
And. It's all geez culture date
related references. Here's here's my text with
Donnie. So we texted on October 3rd and
then not again until November 9th.
And that's just what it is, justit's just for some reason key

(01:10:38):
dates. So that's my connection to 1st
of the month. To to be fair to your guys
friendship though, now you typically just include me in
texts and the three of us have agroup of texts.
So give yourself a little more credit than that, Seamus.
But that's fantastic. I also love that you say part of
Cleveland and I go Bone Thugs. But that's because they're the
only artist from Cleveland that's proud of it.
And they lean into being from Cleveland because there's bigger

(01:11:00):
artists from, there's so many bigger artists from Cleveland,
but they're the ones that are like, it's all about Cleveland.
And as soon as you say Cleveland, I'm like, he's going
Bone Thugs. He's got to be going Bone Thugs.
Doesn't Machine Gun Kelly love the fact he's from Cleveland?
He has. I've been to his coffee shop in
Cleveland. It's fine.
I know it was all pink. It was all pink.
Everything hot pink. Yeah, he does.
But you're not going to pick Machine Gun Kelly for this.

(01:11:21):
And probably ever. But you've got like 9 inch.
I mean, Trent Reznor is from Cleveland.
Yeah. Like there's a bunch of artists
from Cleveland, but it's. Yeah, but that would be bone.
It's got to be bone. It's got to be Tracy Chapman.
Could have been. Tracy Chapman could have been
fast car Perry Perry. Ubu.
What's that? Could have been fast car though.
Tracy Cherry, Ubu. Is from Cleveland.

(01:11:42):
Is that? Yeah.
Really. Yeah.
Yeah. I loved Bone Thugs though.
Dude I loved E 1999. Yeah.
Holy shit. Great album.
Holy shit. I'm.
Definitely. 5 but great album. Definitely had the clean version
because I know I owned that and my I wouldn't have been allowed

(01:12:03):
to buy the parental advisory oneat that time, but.
I miss Let me get your opinion. I miss a 17 track hour and 8.
I miss that. I love that.
I hate an 11 song 26 minute longalbum.

(01:12:24):
Skits, songs. I am in it for an hour.
All of those tracks, too, are like, there's six dudes rapping
100 words a minute. Like just flying.
Like, that's so much rap on a ona record.
I miss it too, but it's a date. It's a time thing because you
had to listen to the radio or albums, and yes, you could skip

(01:12:46):
songs once CDs came out, sure, but they were still making
albums to be entire pieces of. Now everybody just does singles.
And so then they'll put a collection of singles basically
on an album called An Album, andit's like 11 songs.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I do miss it though, man. Like, it was everything too.
Like, even like, like those old hardcore and punk records where
they put, like, movie samples and shit like that in between

(01:13:07):
songs to kind of extend that stuff.
I love all that stuff. I love a skit.
You love old long albums. I do.
Bring it on. I'm with you.
Bring it back. Get a Grip. 1993 Aerosmith, 14
songs, hour and 2 minutes. Fantastic.
Fantastic. Put me in there for a while,
leave me in the chair. Love it.

(01:13:28):
Yeah. All right, I'm going to go.
I'm going to go listen to 1st ofthe month for a while.
You guys go ahead and pick your next.
Song. So I'm torn.
I don't know if I go with my head or with my heart here a
little bit. That's really cute, heart.
Well, heart then I'm going to pick my third Beck song of this
podcast. Christ, it's a.

(01:13:51):
Little bit loser so. Shave your face with some face
in the dark. All your food stamping down the
trailer park, yo cut it. Loser is such a recorded off the

(01:14:18):
radio song. Yeah.
Like it's so weird. Who the hell is this guy?
I don't know what I'm listening to.
This goes back. There's a lot of artists.
This is my personal, Hey, this is my personal experience, Don.
That's what this episode is, allright.
A lot of I'm not trying to find the best drumline.
I'm thinking of shit I did or might have recorded off the
radio onto a mixtape and it's a loser by Beck and you can't tell

(01:14:42):
me that that doesn't fit this mixtape.
Perfectly, I didn't put say it ain't so on here for a reason.
That's off the same record even I I went off AI went different
record at least and nobody gets the gets shit when they pick the
cure on this, even though they've been on the the podcast
like 12 freaking times all. Right.
Tell us all about Tell us all about Beck, a loser.
I I don't need to weird. Everybody listening right now

(01:15:04):
understands and knows why this should be, why this should be on
this, because it's weird. It's just fucking weird.
It's weird. It was mixtape time and it's 94,
so sounded like nothing else. This is.
And you didn't know? What does the rest of that
record sound like? Do I trust this is like a weird
alternative novel? The rest of the record at the

(01:15:24):
time, I wouldn't have wanted it,you wouldn't have bought it.
Yeah, Mellow Gold is a weird record.
It's weird and not the same kindof weird as loser, right?
Like weird dude. I, you know, as as Don's eye
rolls suggests, obviously I'm a huge Beck fan, so I own all this
stuff now. I even own like fucking.
You know. Soul manure and all that

(01:15:44):
unlistenable stuff, though. Some of that stuff straight up
unlistenable, like the record heated before Mellow Gold.
What's it called? Who cares the.
The K records stuff he was doing.
Yeah, it was and it was a duo. It was before he like it was
technically a duo then. It's not even on here.
I I own. Oh, there it is. 1 foot in the

(01:16:05):
grave. So it came out after metal gold,
but they recorded it before thatrecord.
Man, good luck listening to thatthing.
It's it's near unlistenable. So stereopathetic, soul manure,
unlistable medal, gold. We're getting closer.
We're we're starting to figure out there's a thing.
We're on our way. Totally.
And then we still, and then we have our biggest song of all

(01:16:28):
time. Even though he put out some of
my favorite records ever, his biggest song of all time is
still Loser by 1,000,000 miles. It's still Loser.
So because the last thing I looked up in Spotify was
Aerosmith to see how long Get a Grip was, it prompted me to the
Aerosmith store that's linked toSpotify and they have 201 pieces

(01:16:50):
of Aerosmith merchandise in the Aerosmith store on Spotify. 201.
201 pieces of merch. There are Christmas ornaments,
there are earrings. There are so many versions of
vinyl, it's too much. Don, do you not want to know
what my head pick was going to be so you can tell me I should
have picked that? Yeah.

(01:17:12):
Yep, it was going to be eels. Novocaine for the soul.
Oh good, because that's where myhonorable mention, so that's
cool. Was it an honorable mention?
It was actually either going to be my 4th song or an honorable
mention, so let me just cross that.
Hey, I asked you dude. I said do you want to hear?
And you said yes. Yeah, I know, but I guess I
didn't expect it to be that song.
Well, it wasn't. It was.

(01:17:32):
Going to be another shitty back song.
Both the head and the heart. We're we're back song that.
Would be the ultimate Roderick thing.
That does actually sound like me.
Big time. That definitely sounds like me.
Yeah, whose turn is it? It's mine.
OK, so you know, I go Timmy T OKI get into hip hop and I am on

(01:17:55):
the same journey as you guys andI'm getting into alternative
rock and I'm going to do something that I has never been
on the pod before. It's a the Seattle area band
called Nirvana. Does that come up?
Yeah, OK. It could be a local thing.
And I remember staying up late because this was this was post

(01:18:17):
Kurt Cobain's death. They would do like these play
interviews and play old bootlegsand, and talk about sort of the
the story of this band. I remember staying up late and
recording those shows and like listening back to interviews
and, and we've talked before about how you do your research

(01:18:37):
and reading liner notes and reading anything you can
anywhere. And so listening to these
interviews and B sides and rarities and bootlegs and stuff
that were played late, late at night on the one O 7.7 the end
was our our local alternative. And that was like, Oh, I'm going
to get all the Nirvana I can because I would just want to

(01:19:00):
immerse myself and, and this is my new thing.
This is my personality now I'm Nirvana and getting like way
more information about about Shonen Knife and Bikini Kill and
Butthole Surfers and Flipper then any kid needs.
But listening and hearing about like John Poonaman and Jack and

(01:19:21):
Dino and and like all of these people who made this thing
happen. My my song is sappy.

(01:19:53):
Which we had done a compilationsepisode might be my song as
well, because that was that was the hidden track on no
alternative and I just imagine like putting out an alternative
rock compilation in 1990. Three, and not listing.
Nirvana, having a Nirvana song on it and not listing.
I think it's like I remember that thinking that was really
cool. There's a what's the story

(01:20:14):
behind that? It was something like there was
a reason for that. Either they said they would be
on it only if it was a secret song, or it was like there was
something about the song they didn't want to put on there and
they so they just kind of snuck it in as a secret.
So something like that I. Heard this word?
Yeah, I remember hearing something about that too.
That but I also love that that compilation is like alternative

(01:20:35):
history forward. It's like Patti Smith and Bob
Mould and and Tom Verlaine and like a bunch of old.
They really paid dues to that. Like that compilation will go
hard forever. The Nirvana song like those
tracks that were cut well with Oh my God, what's his name?

(01:20:56):
Which big? Like the songs that were re
recorded and sound solid but weren't album tracks are also
solid. So yeah.
Sappy by Nirvana. I'm trying to think when I would
have heard this song because I obviously everybody knew Nirvana
and I was like I wasn't into them in the exact moment, but
very, very shortly thereafter. But I do I do know the song.

(01:21:20):
I know I would have heard it would have been before the box
set came out because it was in the IT was it was on with with
the lights out. But I would have heard this
before that, but it wouldn't have been from no alternative, I
don't think. I think I had a buddy, Sean, who
somehow had all the music. He was you.
He was my Shane of my youth. He just had all the music.
In fact, like my buddy Brian text me the other day, it was

(01:21:41):
Stereophonics. He was like, did you ever get in
this band in high school like these?
This is rad. And I was like, yeah, dude,
Sean. And he knew Sean was like, yeah,
dude, Sean had that poster on the back of his bedroom door.
Like I knew that shit way. But.
But anyway, I know I heard this somewhere.
So he must have had some kind oflike bootleg comp he had.
Or maybe there was something that got put out that had some
of these unreleased things on it.
I don't know. I don't know if you know where

(01:22:03):
else this would have been, ShaneBeot, besides the alternative,
but I definitely heard this songand it wasn't.
It was before 2004 because that box that came out in 2004.
Yeah. Yeah.
So. I for sure, for me it was, it
was radio first, then no alternative and then I in the
late 90s I got some boot like comp that was like, here's a

(01:22:24):
bunch of unreleased we're covering Velvet Underground and
stuff like songs. But yeah, this is just such a
formative sign, I think for so many people.
It's interesting. Like we Nirvana is a band that I
don't go back to a lot as a, youknow, 40 something man.

(01:22:44):
I don't go back and listen to Nirvana records, but it's a band
that is still as relevant as ever to kids that are 13 and 14,
like are still listening to thisband and and finding themselves
through that, like anger or desperation or whatever.
And 13 and 14 year old kids aren't listening to R.E.M., but

(01:23:06):
that that's a band for people 45plus.
But they're definitely finding Nirvana.
Yeah 138th most popular band in the world on Spotify 138 Top 200
most popular bands on Spotify Still now 33 million monthly
listeners Top five listening cities San Paulo, Brazil,

(01:23:29):
Santiago, Chile, Sydney, Australia, Chicago and
Melbourne, Australia. Damn but.
Chicago's always up in there, man.
So nuts. I do know that South America
loves like, grunge and all heavyjust like this a day.
Like every once in a while I'll come across a new band that
sounds very Nirvana esque, and they're usually from like,

(01:23:51):
Argentina or, or or something like that.
So yeah, that makes sense to me.Cool.
Music scene, yeah. All right, Don, last part.
In the same vein as not going tobe for your soul because it's
Novocaine for the soul was it was between these two, but it's
going to be blur song too. I.

(01:24:31):
Got my head shake just I was on my honorable mentions.
Alt Rock one O 1.1 Q one O 1. We've talked about 1000 times.
It was Chicago Alt Rat Station. That was the, you know, British
Invasion. You know, like fucking Oasis and
Blur and that whole shit came fast and strong and they were

(01:24:56):
awesome and that that album was awesome, so.
Were you, it was this, did this get you into Blur at all or did
you not really ever get into Blur just like the song or like?
That's a good question. I would say they were.
I wasn't cool enough yet. I was still pretty mainstream.
I was still Oasis over Blur because Oasis was more
commercially digestible at the time.

(01:25:18):
So Blur was still too cool for me.
So I wasn't cool enough for Blur, but I I liked that song,
you know, I was probably still more so a track over an album
listener at that time. Got you.
Like I would, I would buy an album and I would listen to the
singles off the album. I wasn't like with the exception
of the Blue Album, but yeah, I was more so probably still track

(01:25:39):
heavy. Yeah, I I knew of Blur because
that same dude already brought him up.
Sean, he had he was really into park life.
So I knew that record. But when this came out, this
song, yeah, it was the same withmeat on it was this song.
I did buy this album though, andI got into it like Beatle bums.
A great song. I actually just dig this record.
I think it's good. Might have been a time and a
place thing for me, but I reallylike this record.
But yeah, song too was like bottled alt rock into a 2

(01:26:03):
minute. Couldn't understand a fucking
word he was saying. Well, you don't need to, because
the lyrics don't make any fucking sense.
So unimportant. Unimportant.
But cool. Really, really cool to listen to
that. Yeah, this is a band.
This is always such an interesting band to me.
You could like take the reactionto them at Coachella.

(01:26:23):
Was that this year, last year? Last year?
But it was last year. I think people were like
basically nonplussed, like we don't care.
The blur is here and it's an interesting like this is the one
of the biggest bands in the world that never got big here.
Like even sent to is like this is their American thing, but
like they were huge everywhere else around the world.

(01:26:47):
It's it just never landed here. And there's, there's something
to that, like the British, the snobbery of it, the the
sophisticated, like, like we're coming our noses at you.
We're coming our noses at, at everybody here.
But none of those that like Pulpor Super Furry Animals or, you

(01:27:11):
know, like there were all these really, really cool bands that
that cut through and other places that didn't have the same
kind of success here. I love that their hit is making
fun of American rock music too. Totally.
And it worked. It worked.
We loved it. A billion streams.
That's crazy. A.
Billion what's? What's blur?
You said Nirvana was 1138 or whatever.

(01:27:33):
Yeah, that's even listed. As a top 200, So I think it only
ranks the top 200 streamed artists on Spotify, but they
didn't make the top 200. I didn't talk about it in the
music news because it's not really news, but I did see that
Damon Albarn just did a interview where of course they
asked about blurring the blurring, and he was like, look,
it's like the war. They won the battle and the war,

(01:27:54):
like Oasis one. Oasis is just one, yeah, it's
probably easier for him to say that now that gorillas are so
massively successful and have huge hits and stuff.
So it probably is a lot easier for him to swallow saying that
now. But he was like, I mean, they
fucking won all that stuff. I always, I always fancied
myself a Blur guy. And it's probably aspirational.

(01:28:14):
It's probably like, this is whatI want to be perceived as.
And. And Blur's like best songs, like
girls and boys, like, they're amazing.
Few songs that go harder than that.
Yeah, Oasis consistently just has better pop songs like it
just I, I listened to some Oasisdriving last night and was just
like live forever. Like just it goes rock'n'roll

(01:28:37):
star. It goes like just yeah, he's
right. They won't.
But you can like them both. Who's not more monthly listeners
right now, Gorillas or Oasis? Oh, I I might.
It could. Well, right now, probably Oasis.
I'll say gorillas. It is gorillas by about
3,000,029 million and 26,000,000.

(01:28:57):
Wow. I am believe that gorillas have
more monthly listeners than. That was, I wouldn't have
realized that either as you continue to sort of age out of
what's relevant to you. And I thought to come back to
Rob Harvilla. I thought the gorillas episode,
that was an episode that opened my eyes to like, oh, this is a
band that continues to appeal toteenagers and young people and

(01:29:21):
crosses over to to everybody. And like, I didn't even realize,
really realize, like, oh, you're20 plus years in on that
project. And it is, yeah, way way bigger
than Blur if you. Look at if you look at Gorillaz
most recent album which came outin 23 featuring Thundercat,
featuring Stevie Nicks, featuring Tame and Paula and

(01:29:45):
featuring Bad Bunny featuring back tuck it in your waistband
rod featuring De La Soul, like just so many massive artists.
Now you know, like God damn, dude, I know like I like
gorillas. I didn't know that they were
that big. No.
And and that there's something about that band too.

(01:30:08):
Like, Hey, Rob talked about the idea that that's where De La
Soul had their biggest hit was collabing with gorillas or delta
monkey homosapien or whoever it was that was on those projects.
And and that the genius of that project to see like, oh, the
future of this is this multimedia character creation,

(01:30:29):
this immersive sort of anime world.
Like that's that's bonkers that you did that almost a quarter
century ago. Yeah, yeah, Lots and lots and
more. Yeah, all.
Right. Also, don't don't worry, Don
Beck. Beck was featured on their last
two albums, last two girls. So just don't don't stress about
it. You you can.

(01:30:49):
You can listen to as much Beck as you are, my dude.
Totally got it. My last pick, I hope this isn't
red card territory, but I had two kinds of mixtapes I would
make and I've talked about this on the pod before but I would
also once I got my little tiny like 10 inch 11 inch TVVCR combo
in my room. Again, very privileged I know,

(01:31:11):
but I would buy like 5 packs of the blank VHS tapes and I would
stay up late and I would record music videos mixtape style like
I want this music video so I'd record it and I would record
late night performances on like Conan O'Brien or Dave Letterman
of bands that I wanted. And I hope those tapes will
exist somewhere. I need to find out because but I

(01:31:32):
have very vivid memories of someof those.
So I'm going with one of those songs.
It's a music video that I recorded onto Avhs.
Hope that's not red card territory.
It was 1998, so it's still like still in that era and I can
picture the music video right now, but it's the wise guys
start the commotion. The commotion Do you guys know

(01:32:15):
this song? I gotta go listen to the wise
guys. I'm going to do this in real
time. Technically, it's the make sure
you get the right version. There's two versions of it.
It's not the one. So if you go to the wise guys
Spotify, it is the number 41 on there with the photo of them
with their arms crossed, not the7th one.

(01:32:38):
Those are two different versions.
They don't sound the same. So it's the one with 2 million
plays. OK, Was this you starting to get
into like, dance music? This was this was me, yeah.
So like I was, I was getting into like big beat and stuff
like that and I didn't know it was called that at the time.
This is a little more like poppybig beat, but it's it's it's
still like UK big beat stuff. So like really heavy hip hop

(01:32:58):
influence beat, electronic, everything sampled except maybe
the vocal, but I think it's sampled too.
They're basically just a bunch of DJs and producers that are
making this stuff. This was in a lot of like later
on. I just saw it was in some like
car commercials and stuff, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, but. I totally recognize it's not
listening to it, but yeah, this shit was in everything.
Yeah, but the music video was so.

(01:33:20):
All right, So you know, the DaftPunk around the world video how
every instrument is a person in the video and it layers and
they're doing their. So this was kind of an early
thing of that where like the music video was like there's a
part where like it's a, the DJ does something, but every time
that happens again, they go to the same clip of that DJ doing
it. So it's like a, it's not quite
like choreographed, it's more like edited that way, but it's a

(01:33:42):
similar thing. Like what you're hearing is what
you're seeing and they're playing the same clip over.
So it's like intentionally repetitive, which I just
remember thinking was really cool.
Like a video sample. But it's cool.
It's got like, like the guitar player in the video is like a
rocker, and the keyboard player looks like, it looks like
freaking Stevie Wonder. And then there's like I want I
want to say there's like a choirmaybe in it too.
I don't remember, but it's just I remember the video thinking it

(01:34:03):
was cool. I got Avhs somewhere with this
this on and I never bought theiralbum.
You know, it was a total mixtape.
Like I never went out and boughtthe wise guys album.
Don't know if I would have been able to find it, but it did
start a love for this man. Like I'd have a place in my
heart for whatever you call thisstuff.
Like I could name some other bands that fit like dub pistols,
just like just weird, random thethe bucket heads, whatever that

(01:34:25):
genre is happy big beat UK basedstuff.
So Yep, so that that's where this came from for me.
That's cool. So, you know, it's a good
choice. It's a little more obscure than
stuff I picked on episode 1, butthis is definitely shit.
I was, I was, I was listening toin, you know, 8th grade.
Makes sense. It's cool I.
Can't believe I picked a song that.
Shane had to. Shane didn't know.

(01:34:46):
Did you do? You not know this.
I like Shane. This is good to know.
This is cool. I didn't have this prepared
previously but I'm going to use these posts.
It's as yellow cards and red cards from now on.
Oh, OK. But I don't get a card for that
one. I'm good.
No, no card. Also, I do not I don't know how
to explain this and it wasn't inthe movie, but this song sounds
like it should have been in the Mystery Men soundtrack.
Nope, that's absolutely correct.Does that make sense?

(01:35:09):
Does that make sense? OK, it wasn't in it, but it
should have been. I don't know what Ben Stiller or
whoever directed that was thinking so.
Good call Sheamus, the final song.
Final song OK when I was in college, I DJ at a radio show at
our college radio station on campus that nobody could hear
and like the signal barely left the student union hall.

(01:35:31):
What was the station? Oh God is 89.5.
Oh, you're an 8? Nobody's listening to shit in
the 80s, no. Yeah.
It's to the 80. Point Yeah, OK, so, but also I'm
on and like 11:00 PM to 1:00 AM on Friday because I was a sober
kid and I'm not partying. I'm the only kid who would sign

(01:35:52):
up for this through our window, but I did.
So unless some music nerds are listening to your show at their
Friday night party. No, yeah, nobody's rock block.
Yeah, I'm playing. With a 2 hour rock block.
I'm playing punk rock songs, Yeah.
Late at night on a Friday night,no station.
And the only person listening tothis is me afterwards on the

(01:36:15):
cassette recording that I made of the show.
So I could have this for posterity and listen to it in
the car. And I would use this as an
opportunity to basically grab stuff from the studio that I
didn't have in my collection. And I would do blocks of, you
know, 7 inches or LP's and and St. punk and crust punk and oi

(01:36:35):
and ska and all all sorts of whatever was happening in 1998.
Nineteen 99. And I didn't own 4:00 AM Friday
by a veil, but I got a copy of Simple Song from my own radio
show that I recorded in the studio from a steel Richmond
VA's finest. Hey, take it.
From I Had Dixie I Had Over the James I Didn't Have For You on

(01:36:58):
Friday and So Simple Song by Avail.

(01:37:22):
Which also could open a mixtape in a killer way.
I love this band so much. I always have this is this is a
band that I do listen to at 45 and ages incredibly well.
So yeah, that's my last pick. What's your experience with
Avail? So I was going to say this is
one of those old like early, early in my life punk bands that

(01:37:45):
I didn't that I I learned about from T-shirts.
So like there's a handful of punk bands I learned from
T-shirts. So I was listening to pop punk
or sky. Like I got into a Green Day
offspring. But you start going to shows,
you start being in that world and then you Start learning
about shit because the Internet wasn't around really right.
So you're I'm learning about shit from T-shirts.
Like I remember learning about first ever conceptualizing what

(01:38:06):
AFI was from a T-shirt, a veil, white T-shirt, black block
letter, a veil right on the front just and you start to see
those and you're like, well, that's obviously a band.
Who the fuck is a veil? And like there's a handful of
those. This was a big one.
My buddy Brian, who I brought upon this pod already, who asked
me about Stereophonics. He was a big avail guy.
So I would have heard a veil 1stthrough Brian.

(01:38:28):
Now that I live in Richmond, my experience is that they're like
everybody's favorite Richmond band.
They weren't mine. I was a big strike anywhere guy,
engine down some of that stuff. But I do like the veil.
They are beloved in the city, man, and they ride hard for the
city. So they are they have a great
relationship with the city. They play and over to the over
the James concert, literally on a stage right next to the James

(01:38:50):
River every year outside, which is dope.
Actually spent 4th of July in the James, which which was fun.
I should have listened to some of ale.
I should have brought it along. But I don't know man, like I got
into them later. But they're they're fantastic.
They're the kind of punk I was listening to in college,
straight up, like I would have called it probably mulatto
cardcore at the time, but I wanted everything to be fast.

(01:39:10):
I wanted everything to be heavy.I didn't want it to be sung, but
it could have a really gruff punk voice.
And this is exactly in that in that.
Wheelhouse. This is every avail.
Record is basically tumbury sinks.
He's not a screamer, but every record is a sing along In the
road trip episode you guys are talking about, you want that

(01:39:32):
karaoke song. You want that like I want to
sing along to a song and everyone of every avail record
is like I'm I'm fist in the air,like singing along to this.
I'm I'm pounding my chest. Even though the Spotify is
exactly what you're describing, which is really fun, yeah.
Also also one of one of two bands.

(01:39:54):
I can't think of 1/3 that has a cheerleader in the band.
Just there's a boss tone and there's a boss tones and the
cheerleader does. Tromboners have.
One OK of course of. Course.
I forgot about our big boner. Don't forget about the Don't
forget about the boner. Somebody who just dances like
that's, it'll bring the party. What's the cheerleader's name?

(01:40:15):
It's. Bo.
I think his name is Bo something.
Anyway, a veil. Also a veil.
Propagandi in 99 is like when people say what's the best
concert you've ever seen. That headline tour is like
immediately comes to my mind. That's really good, yeah.
Propaganda is one of the best I've ever seen too.
So I'm in Kentucky of all places.

(01:40:36):
Oh. Crazy.
But yeah, that was weird. They always sounded to me and I
I came in late again, so I didn't have at the time contest
context. So I probably heard over the
James, but I definitely heard. What's the record that came out
2000, the oil rig on it. I don't know the name of that
record, but I know the cover, the date, and maybe it's because
what I was what I was already listening to.
Maybe this makes sense geographically, but they do

(01:40:58):
sound like a blend of like New York hardcore, maybe down to DC
hardcore, like that East Coast hardcore thing with like Midwest
punk. Like I heard Midwest punk in
them for some reason. Maybe it was just bias from the
Midwest. But like Lawrence Arms and shit
like that, like Dylan's are Ford.
Thank you. Like that kind of.
So it's like the Midwest fast angry punk mixed with like H2O.

(01:41:21):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. H2O snap case, like there's like
it's not fast, but it's heavy. And it also had that thing that
that, like I said, Blur and Pulphad that was like, these people
are smarter than me and I educated.
There's something educated. There's something intimidating
about that. But I I want to be a part of

(01:41:43):
whatever they're doing. Yeah.
But also but also like 30 minutes.
Yeah, it's fair. But that's punk rock.
Like it's what? It's what you're going to get.
That's true. So yeah, well, there we go.
OK, we did it. All right, you want to, you want
to fire out this shit? Do.
Honorable Mentions. What?
Is the cadence we usually do Think I know.

(01:42:05):
We do honorable mentions and then we read the lists.
And then we read the lists. OK, forget.
To read the lists I have to go back.
One of my honorable mentions is this song called Novocaine for
the Soul by the. EU interesting, yeah.
It's a good one. Yeah.
And then my other one was SpiderWeb Spy no Doubt, which would
have led to an album purchase and that became a front to back
album. Got you pretty pretty
frequently, but those are my only two.

(01:42:26):
I had this song I recorded. This is one of the VHS
recordings I recorded. Novocaine for the Soul by.
Them playing this on on David Letterman and it was this band
called Eels, It was Novocaine for the soul.
It's fantastic. And they had green, they had
lime green hair. The guitar player and the bass,
the singer and the bass player both had lime green hair.
I still remember that to this day.
Somebody proved me right or wrong on YouTube.

(01:42:46):
I didn't actually look it up to check that.
That's just my memory I had I I've mentioned it already, but
Snake River conspiracy. This would have been a little
late actually to put on here because I came out in like 99.
But do you know that band Shane or Don?
I don't one album I. Know the name for sure.
Industrial Band 3 or 4 of the songs on the album that were
singles were covers. So they did a cover of How Soon

(01:43:08):
is now. They did a cover of Love song
and they did another Cure song, but they had the song Breed that
I think is original. Maybe it's a cover too.
But they had the song Breed thatI still I'll still go back and
listen to this sometimes. I totally.
Remember this band? Shout out former Co worker Erica
who also was waiting to this band.
We were talking about them and then I had randomly because I

(01:43:30):
know I listen to this and I'm wondering if it was more my
sister put this on a mix tape ormaybe I've made a mix tape for
my sister because she was younger than me.
But Dina Carter strawberry wine,I don't.
Know that I. Know no strawberry wine 17 well
country no no I was going to. For sure made this for my
sister. Oh yeah, it's it's country.

(01:43:51):
This one never made the cut. 1996, I think so.
I think I'm. I probably was making a mixtape
for my sister. Probably had like Spice Girls,
Hadina Carter. Shania for sure had some Shania
on there. Absolutely.
Yeah. All right, Shane.
All right, I had, I had probablyon the same tape as eels or

(01:44:12):
Whitetown. I had space female of the
species. Oh wow.
Which also has that like Britishbig band, like 70s embrace like
that we sort of started to get into.
I would not have been able to tell you the name of this band.
Yeah, the song. And if you play the song and be
like, Oh yeah, that song. And I would not have known the
name of the band. It's a three-part song and all

(01:44:35):
three parts like step up and it's so good.
Case choice. Not an addict.
There's an alternative. So do you guys know that one?
You know if I do case? Case.
Choice. Yeah, her voice is bonkers.
Or like, I listened to it a couple times this week and like,
I thought they were a Seattle band because they were played a

(01:44:57):
bunch on the radio here, but they're from Belgium, I guess.
Her voice is crazy like that. It always feels like it's about
to break. And this song is a vulnerable
song about overdosing and. Dude, this song, holy shit it's
been a long time. Yeah, great call.
This is a good one. And then the last one last time,

(01:45:17):
this is a this is a local. There's a rapper called kid
sensation from Seattle and his like most famous claim to fame
is that he's mentioned by name and Sir makes a lot second Best
Song. But he did in 19.
In 1989, he did a rap song with Mariners rookie center fielder
Ken Griffey. Junior called The Way I Swing

(01:45:38):
and I remember waiting for that and hitting record on that.
And Griffey can't rap. He's like.
What? He'd be like a top three rapper
on the 85 Chicago Bears, but not#1 like he's, he's not
sweetness, like you're not leading off with him, but he's,

(01:46:01):
he's fine. But just a novelty, local
novelty hit. That for sure was something I
had on my neck. It's unfortunate when you run
into a situation where Ken Griffey Junior has less monthly
listeners than Huey, Dewey or Lou.

(01:46:21):
Both versions of Huey. The Both.
Versions of Huey. And the and the the Duck.
Ken Briffey Junior right now sitting at 0 monthly listeners.
It should be 1 because I listen to it literally.
Says 0 months to be fair. It also doesn't have a single
song listed under him though, soI guess we can't get.

(01:46:43):
A listener. I'm listening to him and Kids
Sensation right now. But it's not listed under his
own thing, which is weird. Can you make that happen?
Can you add The Way I Swing as one of his songs?
Roderick, can you figure that out?
I don't think that's how it works, man.
I don't think I can just add songs to other people's Spotify
lists. No, it's not like Wikipedia.

(01:47:06):
All right, now you can read the list.
Read. The list OK, got it.
OK, so ace of base the sign Naughty By Nature hip hop.
Hooray. One more try by Timmy T That one
is so good. Amy Kamosi here comes the hot
stepper, Reverend Horton Heat psycho belly freak out.
I don't think you were that cool, Rod.
The De La Soul Potholes in My Yard.

(01:47:26):
Potholes in My lawn Bone Thugs Thaw Crossroads Back Loser
Nirvana Sappy Blur Song 2 The wise guy Start the commotion and
avail. Simple song.
Man, this is I, I always think about sequencing these as tapes.
And so I think about a side A and a side B.

(01:47:47):
And this is a very clear distinct breaking line in the in
our biography. Yeah, this is great.
This is a great album. How to?
Make. Thanks for coming on for episode
50. Shane felt like it felt like it

(01:48:09):
had to be you on this one. Yeah.
Thanks for doing a rehab. Get inside and get that.
Get some sunblock on that melon.Yeah.
This is this is going burning. I've been out of here a while.
Congratulations on 50. Thanks for having me.
Thank you buddy. Thanks buddy, appreciate it.
Had good luck at the good luck with the DJ set.
Yeah, with DJ in. Thank you.
Let me play some wives. Guys, so good.

(01:48:29):
To be All right. Bye guys.
Thanks. Guys, bye, bye.

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