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March 19, 2024 40 mins

On this episode of How We Made That App, host Madhukar Kumar welcomes Co-Founder and CEO of LlamaIndex, Jerry Liu! Jerry takes us from the humble beginnings of GPT Index to the impactful rise of Lamaindex, a game-changer in the data frameworks landscape. Prepare to be enthralled by how Lama Index is spearheading retrieval augmented generation (RAG) technology, setting a new paradigm for developers to harness private data sources in crafting groundbreaking applications. Moreover, the adoption of Lamaindex by leading companies underscores its pivotal role in reshaping the AI industry. 

Through the rapidly evolving world of language model providers discover the agility of model-agnostic platforms that cater to the ever-changing landscape of AI applications. As Jerry illuminates, the shift from GPT-4 to Cloud 3 Opus signifies a broader trend towards efficiency and adaptability. Jerry helps explore the transformation of data processing, from vector databases to the advent of 'live RAG' systems—heralding a new era of real-time, user-facing applications that seamlessly integrate freshly assimilated information. This is a testament to how Lamaindex is at the forefront of AI's evolution, offering a powerful suite of tools that revolutionize data interaction. 

Concluding our exploration, we turn to the orchestration of agents within AI frameworks, a domain teeming with complexity yet brimming with potential. Jerry delves into the multifaceted roles of agents, bridging simple LLM reasoning tasks with sophisticated query decomposition and stateful executions. We reflect on the future of software engineering as agent-oriented architectures redefine the sector and invite our community to contribute to the flourishing open-source initiative. Join the ranks of data enthusiasts and PDF parsing experts who are collectively sculpting the next chapter of AI interaction!

Key Quotes: 

  • “If you're a fine-tuning API, you either have to cater to the ML researcher or the AI engineer. And to be honest, most AI engineers are not going to care about fine-tuning, if they can just hack together some system initially, that kind of works. And so I think for more AI engineers to do fine-tuning, it either has to be such a simple UX that's basically just like brainless, you might as well just do it and the cost and latency have to come down. And then also there has to be guaranteed metrics improvements. Right now it's just unclear. You'd have to like take your data set, format it, and then actually send it to the LLM and then hope that actually improves the metrics in some way. And I think that whole process could probably use some improvement right now.”
  • “We realized the open source will always be an unopinionated toolkit that anybody can go and use and build their own applications. But what we really want with the cloud offering is something a bit more managed, where if you're an enterprise developer, we want to help solve that clean data problem for you so that you're able to easily load in your different data sources, connect it to a vector store of your choice. And then we can help make decisions for you so that you don't have to own and maintain that and that you can continue to write your application logic. So, LlamaCloud as it stands is basically a managed parsing and injection platform that focuses on getting users like clean data to build performant RAG and LLM applications.”
  • “You have LLMs that do decision-making and tool calling and typically, if you just take a look at a standard agent implementation it's some sort of query decomposition plus tool use. And then you make a loop a little bit so you run it multiple times and then by running it multiple times, that also means that you need to make this overall thing stateful, as opposed to stateless, so you have some way of tracking state throughout this whole execution run. And this includes, like, conversation memory, this includes just using a dict
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