5 Business Principles Every Actor Should Know with Casting Director Rose Rosen

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This episode of "How We Role" features a candid conversation with Rose Rosen, a casting powerhouse with over 20 years of experience. Based in Tampa, Rose has cast hundreds of productions, including the iconic film Edward Scissorhands. Listeners will gain valuable insights into navigating the business of acting, as Rose shares five "golden guidelines" for building a long and fulfilling career.

The discussion covers:

• Crucial aspects of the acting world, like the importance of treating your acting career as a business.
• The power of genuine relationships over mere networking. 
• Rose also demystifies the audition process, offering practical advice on everything from self-tapes to the often-overlooked details of your casting profiles. 

This episode is a must-listen for any actor looking to understand the industry from a casting director's perspective and elevate their professional approach.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Rose Rosen.
I'm five foot three.
On a good day, and fun factabout me is I cast Edward
Scissorhands and you'relistening to how we Roll.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
When it comes to working in entertainment,
there's a lot of hows and theyall boil down to how we navigate
this wild industry.
While how we follow our dreamsis uncertain, how we roll along
the way is in our hands.
Welcome to how we Roll, apodcast for actors by Casting

(00:39):
Networks.
Hi actors, it's your friend,robert Peterpaul.
Back to answer another how ofour industry how do we navigate
the business of acting?
This question is almost as hotas the current summer heat wave
and could take multiple episodesto wrangle.
For our first go, we tapped ina wonderful casting director

(01:03):
friend who dropped everything todevelop five digestible
business principle buckets withus.
Yes, five golden guidelines foryou to follow in order to rock
this business.
Today's guest is a castingpowerhouse with over 20 years of
experience Rose Rosen.

(01:25):
Based in Tampa, rose has casthundreds of productions across
Florida and beyond.
A former fashion editor from StLouis, she made her way into
commercial styling before divingdeep into every aspect of
production and ultimatelycasting One of her first major

(01:47):
gigs, casting the iconic TimBurton flick, edward
Scissorhands Chop chop or snipsnip, I guess.
Since then she's becomeFlorida's go-to casting director
and won awards for her sharpeye.
Rose is also a fellow podcaster.
Her show Casting Confidential,which you can tune into on every

(02:08):
major podcast platform, nowlifts the curtain on our
business and spotlights so muchwisdom.
Definitely check it out.
I had a blast talking with Roseand I know you're going.
If this chat inspires you,please share it with a friend,

(02:29):
my friend.
Now here's how we roll in thebusiness of acting with casting
director Rose Rosen.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're rolling rose, how are you, my friend?
Oh my god, this is the greatestpodcast interview of all time.
I am such a fan of yours roseand it hasn't even started.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean your energy.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Come on, come on, you're so sweet no, I feel the
same about you.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I mean your energy, come on, come on, you're
so sweet.
No, seriously, I feel the sameabout you.
No, but I love your energy,stop it.
Do you?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
remember when we met up at the RDOs in New York.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I do yes, and I immediately said Rose is like a
rose You're blooming.
You're blossoming, the sunshineis hitting you.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
You the sunshine is hitting you.
You bring all the good vibesand immediately that table was
so much fun because of you, ohmy god.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So we had thanks for being you.
But yeah, we did.
Yeah, and we were fans of eachother's before then.
I know I love your videos,everybody.
We have rose rosen on thepodcast today, as you know.
Please follow her on socialmedia if you do not already, but
we are going to talk all thingsthe business of acting, or as
much as we can within this timeframe.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean come on.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
There's a lot and Rose knows it all.
But before we kind of dive intothe topic specifically, rose,
I'm so curious because we'vetalked just as friends, but I'd
love to know more about yourtime in Tampa.
You're known as Florida'spremier casting director.
It all started, I think, withEdward Scissorhands, which is, I
mean, iconic.

(04:08):
Can you just tell us a littlebit about that?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, yeah, I think I came down here.
I like to say I was amail-order bride, my future
husband lived here.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Didn't expect that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I know right, yeah no he lived down here and I was
from St Louis and it seemed likethe right thing to do.
And so, yeah, this is a millionyears later and we're still
together.
And yeah, and after I came here, I was a stylist.
I did all the things.

(04:44):
And I was a stylist, I did allthe things like, and I was an
editorial.
I came from writing fashionarticles and producing them and
finding talent and findinglocations and doing makeup and
hair and all you know, thewardrobe and the writing and all
the things.
And then I moved to advertisingand then I came to Tampa and
there was none of that here.

(05:05):
It just didn't make any senseto anybody to hire me for that.
So you know, like I became acasting director.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Took a pivot, you said I'll just do casting.
I love that you've done all thethings because you have a lot
of knowledge, a beautiful brainfor me to pick today.
Again, before we get a littlebit into the business here, I
wonder what is it about Tampathat makes it such a unique
market?
Because we might have peoplelistening, thinking should I
move to Tampa?

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I mean, the big uniqueness when I first started
was it was Florida, was calledHollywood East.
If you could believe that wewere number three in the movie
business of locations yeah, butthat's not true anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But what is?
True, you still got Disney,which you know right, but the
game for me.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, but does that?
You know like for a while therethere was Nickelodeon shows,
but you know like there's a lotthat kind of comes and goes and
the business changes like youknow, as fast as we change our
underwear, let's face it.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's pretty fast, especially if you're in a show
backstage and you got a quickchange.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
But that's how fast our business changes and people
in this moment where thebusiness is so obviously
changing, think that's new andit's not.
This is the same as it has been.
We started out on VHS tapes,went to beta, went to DVDs and

(06:36):
FTP sites and all the differentthings.
So what we know is thingschange, but what is constant in
Florida is commercials.
Wow, and I like to say thecommercials like actually allow
me to do movies because you knowI could do it all here.

(06:58):
You know, big fish, little town,it's always worked for me.
That doesn't mean as an actoryou should come here.
I don't necessarily recommendthat, but okay, that's great to
know.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I appreciate that honesty and I loved what you
said about the business alwayschanging.
The only constant is the change.
I think that's such animportant reminder in these
times where we thinkeverything's changing so fast
it's like, well, everything'salways changing it should, it
should and the.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
And we're talking about the business, and the only
way to keep up with anybusiness is to keep changing,
keep up with the changes.
I mean, you know, people thathave the only people with my
kind of longevity are malleable.
Right, we just.
And actors the same thing.

(07:48):
If you listen to actors whohave been around, they did not
just pop out of nowhere.
They were 10, 15 years, 20years in the making, working,
working, working, working,working, working, working.
And then one day you noticethem, or I noticed them five

(08:08):
years ago, yeah, you see them,and overnight success is really
a 10 year old success.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
a lot of the time it's like but that's what we're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's about business, and the business is long.
And the craft.
You have to be engaged in yourcraft and it should be just
something you love.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
It should also be something you love making money
at.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, true, I mean, if you're not having fun, what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
No, exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Exactly so.
Let's break down theseprinciples together.
Our main topic today iscreating five golden principles
of the business of acting.
Rose and I came togetheroffline and we created five
guidelines.
We think every actor that meansyou, listening friend not just
for booking work, but forbuilding a long, fulfilling

(09:00):
career should know andunderstand.
Fulfilling career should knowand understand.
So these aren't, you know, theend, all be all rules.
We just made these up.
In this moment we reserve theright to change our mind, but
underneath each one we'llhopefully come up with a lot of
fun advice.
So let's start with number one,Rose, Drum roll.
I don't know if I should tap mymic.
I'm like going to hurt people'sears.
Okay, Number one here is youare a business.

(09:23):
Treat yourself like one.
So, starting at the top, Ithink having the mindset of not
just being an artist but anartist entrepreneur can I say
that word can be key.
Rose, do you find it helpfulwhen actors approach their
careers this way?

(09:50):
this way A thousand percent, Imean come on, you have to be a
business.
Here's the thing.
So I remember one of mygreatest assistants who turned.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
She's a fantastic casting director in Toronto and
I remember the first email shesent me.
What was her email handle?
Like hot babe, two, five, sixor something, and literally.
And she, she tells this storywhen I, when I call, when you
know, at any time.

(10:19):
And she says you know.
When she called, I said so areyou a stripper?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
well, because that's the brand you kind of saw right,
that's my point so and shechanged it immediately.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Everything's fine now , don't worry, but but the point
is, that's the thing.
So it's like every little sillydetail.
I could tell so much from you,about you, from your email
address.
You know like most people puttheir birth date on the email.
Not most, but plenty do.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, you know, and then you can hack their you
know Wells Fargo bank account.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And, but beyond that, it's just like now I know how
old you are.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that's something nobody should be
asking you.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So that's an important reminder You're giving
me more information than youneed to be giving me.
So yeah, so protect, yeah, andshow up in a professional manner
, be it on Zoom, be it in person, be it in an email.
Why are you emailing me?
Are you badgering me to watchsomething?
And I'm sorry to use the wordbadger, but people will send me

(11:31):
again and again, and again thesame link and say why are you?
Responding.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm like because you're not my client you
probably get thousands of emailsa day, so many, so many emails.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
I mean every point of contact right.
Messages on Instagram, messageson Facebook, like what you
expect me to answer that I don'tmean I'm nice, I swear.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yes, rose is very nice.
Well, what, I guess, whilewe're here, what comes through,
what pierces through for you,what stands out as a
professional email, a cold email, specifically, maybe one you're
not expecting, but what's oneyou will answer?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, purposeful communication is key, and we all
know that.
I'm very proud of my podcast.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh yes, casting Confidential Tune in like
subscribe it's so good.
It's a treasure trove.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
But it is good and, honestly, the reason I created
it was so that I wouldn't haveto answer the email, so that I
could all in one fell swoop giveyou the information.
I started out with that YouTubeshow with Kim Swanson and it
just became this podcast, andthat's the thing.

(12:43):
I don't want to answer the samequestion all day long.
That bores me, so it's therefor you.
It's a library, it's free.
That's what I want you to do.
And then purposefulcommunication Tell me you love
my podcast.
Go on there and, as you said,like, subscribe, review it,
leave a review.
I look at every name thatreviews the podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, there you go, I do.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And you know, go onto my social media, Talk to me on
the wall.
Comment on one of my posts.
You know, tell me what you likeabout that episode.
Don't tell me what you don'tlike.
Maybe that's the message.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, rose is one of the casting directors that's
very active on social media.
So you do engage with people onsocial media, you do build
relationships with people.
That's how we found each other,with social media.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yes, I mean, there are some compelling accounts
that grab me.
Yours I am.
I've got to have DaniellePinnock on the show.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Oh, yes, there you go .

Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I am sure you follow her.
I mean, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Compelling stuff.
There's this one actress, anactress abroad, that's Chloe,
and I can't get her name right.
It starts with a Z, but she'san actress abroad, and I'm happy
to say it out loud.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, yes, it's a great sort of brand and actually
that brings up a big question Ihad for you, which is so what
does it really look like for anactor to treat themselves as a
business?
Branding comes into play there,and I know that can be a dirty
word for some people, but Ithink of it as finding out what
makes you unique and thenletting that shine through, sort
of like everything you do,what's what's like your thing,

(14:37):
what's sort of your log line.
You know, if you look atsomeone like Aubrey Plaza, it's
like she has that, she has athing.
So what's your advice on kindof honing in on that?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I think actors think too much about that.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
OK.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I think putting yourself in any kind of a box is
not my favorite.
I want to put you in a box forthat role and I want to be open
to the next role, to put you ina different box, and so don't
box yourself for me.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
She doesn't need the gift wrap, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I don't want that kind of.
Your branding should be clean,neat.
You know I'm an actor, I lookgreat.
I'm an actor, I look great Iyou know I'm proud of myself.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I have a good presence but it's I also like a
non-specific Okay.
I appreciate that because we dohear a lot as actors from so
many different people.
It's such a subjective business.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
What the hell is that word?
Yes, that word makes me angryactually.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Oh, I mean so many I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Some people out in the world use this word,
castability, and somebody justcame at me and said well, what's
my castability?
I'm like I have never used thatword and this is more than I've
ever used it, you're like 45%.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
No, I don't know yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's like it's ridiculous.
Everything is so specific aboutwhat we do Each time we're
casting you it's.
Are you right for that?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's beautiful because you think how we think
as actors, which is that we canplay anything and we want to
imagine ourselves in anyscenario.
So I like that advice that justkind of keep it authentic, keep
it clean, be yourself and don'tstress out over putting
yourself in one.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Don't be making a big brand package.
Don't don't be hiring a PR teamwhen you don't have a project
that you need a PR team for.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
OK, I got to go, I got to make some calls, but I
well calls.
No, I'm just kidding, well,okay.
Well, the one thing about abusiness is that most successful
businesses are organized andproactive.
So do you have advice for howactors can operate that way in
general?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, well, I love that.
So sure I mean, make sure thatyour materials are all up to
date.
Sure that your materials areall up to date, clean, neat,
organized, not too much, not toolittle.
You know like.
Make sure like get into yourcasting networks profile, get
deep on there and do it everysix months.

(17:17):
Make sure your headshots andall of your ancillary shots that
you know whatever you have inthere represents who you are
today.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, everything should be within.
You can get to that.
Look within an hour.
Somebody like you I highlyrecommend.
I want to see the differentgrowths of your beard.
I want you to have four or fiveshots of well this is and know
exactly how long it takes you toget there.
This is one week.
This is two weeks.

(17:48):
Full beard is one month.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
This is a day.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
You need to know right, this is gruffy.
This is a day, two days, alittle bit more like, and if you
had snaps of all of those,you'd be surprised how
titillating that is.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Interesting.
I've never heard that.
No, I love that.
I love to be titillating.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, no, it's just.
I mean because, you know, likefor commercials in particular, I
always ask men if they'rewilling to shave.
But you know, but then theclient will take it two steps
further or 10 steps further.
Well, okay, Now I'm not lookingfor him to shave, I'm looking
for him to grow a beard.
How long would it take?
Yeah many times.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, I'm like a chia pet.
Mine grows real fast.
I got to chop it down reallyquick.
Well, I wonder.
That actually makes me curious.
I've asked casting this beforeand I'm sure you have a
different answer, because, again, everybody does.
But you got to cling to theones that speak to you the most,
I think, in this business andthat serve you.
And I wonder, do people everask you what headshot I guess

(18:52):
you connected with?
If they're not submittingthemselves, do they say, oh,
which look did you like for thisrole?
So then they at least kind ofknow what to wear for the
self-tape, if they should shaveor not, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I love for the self-tape if they should shave
or not, that kind of thing.
I love that, the chance of mebeing involved in between the
self-tape and the you know likechoosing and the self-tape is
pretty small, right, because I'mjust going to ask for the
self-tape, so you're going tohave to make your own choice
yeah um between the self-tapeand the call.
If we have a Zoom callback,there's more chance.

(19:26):
I want him to look like this.
So, yeah, I mean I, you know.
Let me tell you just in generala headshot if you're connecting
with the camera, if you're, youknow the lighting, if I see you
and if I see you looking at meyeah right, it's like yeah, yeah

(19:49):
you'd be surprised.
I mean, you know, I've alwayswanted to do this.
Actually, with testing networksis like, do like a video of, of
like what we see for the actorsright I want I would love them
to see this board of hundreds ofthousands of faces and how that

(20:10):
then you can understand,because I think there's a
disconnect right yeah to whatactors think we do and what we
actually do yeah, and I and Imean, that's why I talk.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, you're demystifying that.
We're trying to do that here aswell with episodes like these,
and I hope it's helpingeverybody listening.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
It for sure?
Is it for sure, is I mean?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
that's what we're here for.
We're all here for each other.
It's such a people business.
And you know, rose, here we go.
Our number two guideline here,our second principle Are we only
on two.
We're only on two.
I'm trying to guide the shipand it's scary because I'm also
a talker and we could talk allday.
I just think you're awesome.
So number two, oh sweet.
Number two is people first,relationships over resumes, and

(21:03):
I this.
And when I learned this I don'teven know how many years ago,
and obviously it's a practice,because business things get in
the way of your brain sometimesbut when I learned this it
totally changed the way I wentinto auditions.
It's just seeing the peopleversus quote unquote casting on
the other side of the table as adifferent entity.
They're people, they're goingto eat lunch on their break,

(21:30):
they're breathing the same airas you, and so in this business
it's kind of like relationshipsare everything, and I've always
found that just treating peopleas people spoiler alert is more
fruitful and fun.
So it makes me wonder for you,rose, how do you think actors
can make those real connectionsand not just quote unquote
network?
Because it's tricky, right?
I mean, everybody feelsdifferently and sometimes you're

(21:51):
authentic, but maybe it's notperceived that way.
You can't control that.
But what's your advice on sortof genuinely approaching that?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I think that for me it can only be organic.
I am not friends with very manyactors.
I mean it would be like takingyour work home, and we do enough
of that, right yeah?
So I like to have friends whoare artists and businessmen and
women and you know, likewhatever Accountants, I don't

(22:19):
care it doesn't matter Ice creamshop owners.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
if anybody out there owns an ice cream shop, I want
to be your friend.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Right exactly.
Ice cream shop owners.
If anybody out there owns anice cream shop, I want to be
your friend, right exactlysticking that in there.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
No, I love an ice cream shop who doesn't?
But yeah, so sugar, yeah, Idon't think I mean.
Well, let's say, it's like asetting, like a live workshop or
something that you do a q a andsomeone's just trying, like
you're there and everybody knowsyou're there to connect so
here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, I don't agree with any of that like okay, that
feels like it goes down thatpay to play crap and and that's
even if it's a free one.
It's like say hi to me,whatever, I'm not giving you a
job from this workshop.
Anybody who does anything,whether it you, it, you know.

(23:06):
If you come, none of that, youknow I don't do that and it's a
hard line and yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, that's key.
I think what you just broughtup it's that it's not about
getting the job, so it's.
I actually heard a great pieceof advice once which was in
business, so it's I actuallyheard a great piece of advice
once which was in business neverask somebody for something the
first time you meet them, whichI, I, never did or wanted to do,
maybe not even the second time.
It's like if you're, if you'remeeting someone more than three

(23:37):
or however many times, and youdon't even need to think about
this that way, but just thinkabout, like you like meeting
someone in your life and thenthem saying will you read my, my
screenplay?
Oh, will you watch my reel?
It's sort of like I don't evenreally know you and I don't have
time to watch my sister's reel.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
So Also what am.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I doing with this screenplay.
I just meant in general in thisbusiness.
But do people ask you to readtheir?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
screenplay All the time and it's like I'm not a
producer.
I don't, I am a castingdirector, yeah you know, and a
podcaster, just so silly justkidding.
Yeah, it's sort of like knowyour audience script what I am,
you know, night night time toread, I don't know, I, I, I, I

(24:24):
could, but I don't you know, andthey're all like, but don't you
know people, and it's like Ihave stuff in my head you know,
like that I'd like to make intothings, but it just doesn't
happen.
So what's?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
the chance of me reading your.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know it's like yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, it's like sort of know your audience Well, I
guess, speaking of knowing whenyou watch a self tape or you
meet an actor but is there atime you could share of when
someone sort of likeprofessionalism or kindness or
whatever it was, stood out andyou felt like you really wanted
to just see them again or havecall them in more.
Maybe they weren't right forthat job, but like what makes

(25:00):
someone stand out to you in thatway?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I mean, it's kindness , it's people like you, it's
people like no, but it's it's.
It is certain people, it's.
There's just something aboutcertain actors.
Just the way I communicate withthem, either through social
media or through some emails orwhat have you, or through their,

(25:24):
their reps even through theirreps, I can cut through to
whether or not we can, you knowlike, oh, I like them, I want to
like, I want to find somethingyou know like, like.
We do file certain people likethat away, but it could be years
before the right thing comesthrough.

(25:46):
People, always ask me how do Iget these?
I mean, I get some pretty highlevel stars on this show and and
I'm like well, first of all,I'm a casting director, but
second of all, I'm a human.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I, generally speaking , connect with these people on a
human level, and then they'rehappy to come yeah, just like
we're all just human.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, thank you, that's so sweet.
Well, okay, what about somebodyauditions for you?
I wonder actually about thisbecause I, as a person, always
feel the need and want to sendpeople thank you notes.
I don't do that for everyaudition because I think it's
annoying and nobody does that,but how do people follow up with
you in this day and age?
Speaking of the people, of itall, is there a right or wrong

(26:29):
way?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I once again.
I like comments out in the jointhe public conversation.
Right A casting is generallypublic on some nature, Right, Of
course.
A lot of it is, has ndas andall that.
That.
That's not what I'm talkingabout.
But if I'm putting it out toactors, you know, and there's a

(26:53):
way to you know.
Comment on the podcast.
Oh, I was just, you know, likeI love this because it reminds
me of the whatever I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
But I like the group conversation.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Because I read it, which is your goal.
Yeah, and so does everybodyelse, and maybe the other people
can also learn from it.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
So it's not just me saving time.
I'm gonna more likely read yourcomments on social, on the
podcast, on all the things, butit's just it forms a community,
which I think we should all be.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yes, and I like that approach.
It's very unique.
Nobody's really talked aboutthat on this podcast before.
We've had all differentperspectives, but I think it's
cool in the sense that we canalso champion people, like
someone going to your post andsaying this post is great or I
loved your last episode, youknow, makes you happy and I
think we should do that for eachother, even other actor friends

(27:51):
.
It's like it matters, I thinkin this day and age, if you like
someone's video because it'ssupporting, like a coming right.
Yeah, that's what it's all about.

(28:13):
And you know what we need themost support for Auditions, rose
.
And our third principle we'reon number three.
Everybody, oh my God, isauditioning is the job,
auditions are the job.
I mean, just getting, I thinkjust getting an audition in 2025
is a big win.
Well, yeah, with these stats,yeah.
So congratulations if you haveone For this one.

(28:37):
I really want to get youradvice, obviously overall, on
auditioning.
So self-tapes, the goldstandard these days.
What, for you, separates a goodone from oh what?
I guess in a good, in a senseof business savvy?
So what separates a businesssavvy one from maybe one that's

(28:57):
just you don't want to watch itor it's you know it wastes your
time, Nothing wastes my time.
Sorry, I'm dancing around it.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There you go, there you go, sorry, sorry, no, no no,
well, of course, a good one isone that follows all the
directions to a T to a T,Because you can't imagine the
time we spend putting togetherthe breakdown, putting together
your self-tape instructions,checking all these little boxes
and making sure that you know ifI want to see your hands,

(29:27):
there's a reason they're workinghands, oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
If you need a hand model, I do have a tan line from
this little ring here, yeah butwe can do that with makeup.
What do people do?
Rose, I just had to do this.
I actually was really fortunateto have auditions this weekend.
I had to do one for acommercial with the close-ups

(29:53):
and it's like it's a little joythat it brings me when I put my
hands up to the screen and myface is behind it and I do like
a little like gleeful smile.
I'm kind of like laughing tomyself.
What do people do when they doit like?
Has someone ever surprised youwith their hands, like they made
you laugh?
Are they like here's my hand,or do people just show you the
hands?
I guess don't make a bit of it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I just want to see.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'm like, I just need to see front, back of the hands
and and not like this littlepiggy went to market.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
This little pig, I know right, yeah no that kind of
stuff is once again.
That's annoying actually thereyou go offense, um, but yeah,
just just straight up, like allthat slate stuff, separate clip
make sure it's separate, becauseI might want to put it in the
back, I might want to put it inthe front, depends on the client

(30:38):
, depends on the situation.
So, but do it, because all ofthat stuff is every little thing
that I'm telling you to do isimportant, everything.
So do it all, don't file nameright.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I think a lot of people miss the file name, which
I know drives some people alittle crazy.
Oh my God, right.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
But the software is pretty good now.
So if you're using the softwareproperly, the file name is not
as important, but it does seethis.
I want the actors to see whatwe do, so when it comes, the
file name comes out at thebottom there.
So if you put slate and you puttake one, take two and your
name, that's helpful becausethen I could read, I could just

(31:20):
do it and reorganize it and it'sgreat yeah and some of the
casting directors won't do thatso great yeah, it's all one big
mush, and that's fine too.
Yes, but if they are separate,then I can use them separately.
Same thing with your reels.
I like little separate clips.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well Casting Networks has a great feature actually
where on your resume, if you'relooking at someone's credit, you
can click play if they have avideo of that credit right from
their resume.
It's a new feature.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I mean come on, that's great.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
How cool is that?
Okay, sorry not to.
I didn't mean to throw an ad inhere, but it is.
When I learned about thatfeature I said, oh, better
update my resume.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I have been using Casting Networks for since it
started.
I'm positive of this, and I meanI remember them coming to my
house, you know, because I'vealways been working out of the
house, so it was, you know, nota big leap for me, but yeah, I
love the software I just not toolong ago I think, I tagged

(32:22):
Casting Networks I used.
I love the feature of yourspecial skills right, and you
can filter through that.
And this is why I always tellyou, be honest and fill all that
stuff out.
I was just looking for anorganist and a certain age, a
certain this, certain that Boom,boom, boom.
I put it all in Guess what.

(32:43):
The agent didn't send thatperson in and the agent had the
breakdown.
I went and found the person andsaid here, give me this person.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that's who got it of course I'm glad you said
that everybody this is maybe thethird time this has come up
about being honest overall, butalso with your special skills,
because casting is using that tosearch yeah, I mean, I don't
care how tall you are, but thedirector is going to care if
you're five foot and you putdown six foot and we put you

(33:15):
against somebody who's?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
you know it's complicated.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, it is complicated.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's a visual thing, we don't care.
We don't hate that you're fivefoot, we don't hate that you're
six foot.
We just want to know.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Thank you.
That's so beautiful to hearEverybody replay that.
Put that on a bumper sticker.
Well, okay, here's what we justwant to know as actors when
we're auditioning consistentlyover this long career.
Hopefully we were sayingearlier about how it takes some
people 10 years to even breakthrough.
I think of Jenna Fisher in theOffice who was, you know, doing

(33:57):
background work for a decadebefore she got that role.
Melissa McCarthy is another onethat comes to mind who almost
gave up and then she got GilmoreGirls.
I mean, there's a millionstories.
So when actors are consistentlygetting auditions but not
booking, what's your businessminded advice for that?
Should they sort of reassess?
Is it just hanging on and goingback to your craft?

(34:19):
What do you think about?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Well, I think two things.
Be a business person, so have away to make money, whatever
that is, if that.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Bringing it back to the business.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
If it's Uber, I don't care what you're doing.
You know, have a flexible jobthat you could still audition
with.
The great news is auditions,you could do it midnight.
So you could be a computeranalyst or what have you, and
still be an actor.
So have that.
And then you want to definitelywait.

(34:50):
Where was I?
And then you want to definitelywait.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Where was I?
You could be, you could do yourauditions at midnight.
We're talking about sort oflike if you're auditioning a lot
but not necessarily booking,like reassessing and so if
you're not booking, then keepworking at your craft.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
It doesn't mean I'm not saying that you're not
booking because you're bad atyour craft.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying you're not bookingbecause there are too many cooks
that have to say yes in orderfor you to get that job.
So that's, you can't focus onthat.
As you said, the audition isthe job, so keep at it and you

(35:37):
could go to class.
You could have a friend youwork out with.
I mean, why aren't all actorshaving you know scene partners?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
you know scene partners, yeah, like an after
show On a regular basis.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
This is on your schedule every week however many
times that you two get togetheron Zoom in person, I don't care
, and this is also your go-toreader.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Which we need.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Right.
So you have a friend, you havea reader, you have a way to work
out your craft without spendingthousands.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I love that so much because we don't want to spend
thousands.
We can't.
We don't have it, not yet, butwe will one day, I mean, if you
want to go ahead.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But I just don't think it's needed.
I think you can learn from eachother, and I think that's the
best way.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, we touched on being a reader and we've talked
about how it's a people business.
But while we're in thisaudition principle, before we
move to number four, which Ipromise we'll get there, I
promise everybody one day keeplistening, keep hanging on, keep
holding on so what?
Okay, I need to calm down.
It's like there's a heat wave,everybody.
So I'm I'm getting unhinged alittle bit.
I'm always unhinged.
What are your thoughts on theseapps that we can use for self

(36:57):
tapes with, that have built inteleprompters, that have built
in readers?
You know the app can read withyou and sense your voice.
A lot of people use them and alot of people book with them.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
So I'm curious from a casting standpoint whatever you
notice that I don't care, Idon't know, I try.
If I notice that, then thenit's a problem.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Then it's a problem Got right.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I should only notice you.
Whatever you're doing shouldshould not outshine your
performance.
So, use whatever it takes.
You should have.
You know, if you have a greatteacher, if you have a great
friend, if you have, you know,use other humans.
Let's use each other.
Let's use each other up, let'sdo that right.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
All these principles should just be called community,
because you're such a communitydriven person and I think
that's special, especially inthese times when we need to come
together.
We don't have money.
Yeah, we are the arts money,yeah we're.
We are the arts, it's people weare the arts.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
There is trouble.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
There's trouble in paradise right here in river
city there's a lot of trouble,so yeah why not get together in
community and and work thisstuff out?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Just, you know, I listen, I do it.
I am a glass artist and I go incommunity once a week and make
my art.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I love that.
Can you please send us picturesof those and we can share them
with this episode, because I nowwant to buy.
I want to buy a rose glasspiece.
I love that so much.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I'm going to picture you blowing the glass.
It's a promotion of the glass.
But yeah, I will send you,that's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
You're just doing it for fun and ultimately, again,
we're talking about the businessof acting, but I do want to
remind everybody that thisshouldn't overshadow at all your
love for it, because that comesfirst.
And if you want to havelongevity, which is our fourth
principle here, you're going toneed to follow the fun.
So let's move to number four.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Longevity requires mental and emotional resilience.
I mean, it's literallyeverything.
We've already talked about yeah.
So if you're going to havelongevity you have to have the
community to lift up yourspirits, to work your craft out
with, to talk about the business, talk about how we're going to
make money tomorrow, talk aboutyou know like.

(39:20):
You cannot sit here and thinkthat you're going to be an actor
and it just happens.
You need your community.
You need the other thing youneed.
I do this every day too.
Get out and put my feet ontothe ground.
I walk outside even if it's 110degrees, which it is, oh here

(39:44):
today too I walk outside incommunity, talk out the day,
complain.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
And you get by with a little bit of help from your
friends.
I think that's amazing.
I have to take a walk every day, Otherwise I don't feel like a
human as well.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I used to like listen on
headsets, but now I like people.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I love that.
Yeah, there's science thatactually shows that walking or
exercising with somebody elseimproves your mental well-being.
I mean, it's literally science.
So I think that's great adviceand even if you're doing a
self-tape.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
30 years of this 40?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Oh yeah, if you're spiraling a little bit, change
the energy, go for a walk, comeback.
This makes me wonder do youhave any?
Yeah well, do you have anyother advice for, like, tangible
tools actors can use to kind ofkeep that, you know, mindset
going in this long game?
Because we need a lot of tools?
I mean walking's one for me.

(40:44):
Mantras, affirmations, whathave you seen to be successful?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Hydrate breathe journal.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Hydrate right now.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
You got to journal, you got to write your stuff down
.
You could write down.
I don't care what you'rewriting, but I love gratitude, I
love to write down you knowthree things I'm happy for at
the beginning of the day.
The end of the day, I don'tcare.
You know, write down your goals.
Write down what your life'sgoing to look like in 10 years.
You'd be surprised how accurateyou are.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Wow, and it's the specificity of it too.
I think not just I want to bean actor, but I want to co-star
role on this network show orwhatever it is.
I think that helps.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
My entire career is built on me writing down goals.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Well, Jim Carrey, he it.
It wasn't necessarily a goal,Well, I guess it was, but he
filled out a check for $10million or something and put it
on his refrigerator and I thinkthere's something to just seeing
that.
The action of doing it likeyou're saying, to really get you
on track.
Yeah, I love that.
Well, I feel like I listened toso many interviews where actors
say they were about to kind oflike throw in the towel, and

(41:54):
we've talked about that here.
But today is there a moment inyour own career where you feel
like resilience really played abig role for you in casting?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
much, constantly, but like for instance when I did.
Scissorhands was at the verybeginning of my career and I was
pregnant the entire time.
We were shooting and we and weand you know this was local
casting I was on set every dayand in the 110 degrees.
Oh my gosh, in that communitythat kind of picture perfect
world, tim Burton world, yeah,but yeah, and an interesting

(42:37):
fact, I did not tell them I waspregnant when I interviewed,
because they would have nevergiven it to me.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, but I did a better job.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
It was all fine, and then I had a baby, and so then
that's where the resiliencekicks in.
I had a baby and my career wasskyrocketing.
I remember reporters coming tome as I'm breastfeeding.
Oh my goodness.

(43:07):
So that's the thing you have to.
I had to make all of it workand I feel like I continue that
every single day.
Right, you have to plug in.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
You don't just make it work, You're working.
How do I make it work?
You're a star Rose, I mean youdo the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh, you're sweet, whatever it is, if you're waking
up.
If you're waking up and you'reon vacation, you better make
that work too, Right.
Yeah, I'm terrible at thatTerrible.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, and the communication aspect, like you
mentioned before, comes intoplay there too, because you can
just say listen, I'm on vacation.
I got to record this voiceoveraudition in a closet on my phone
and I'll try and clean it up,but like if you didn't bring
your mic, whatever it is, justcommunicate that, try it.
Some people will be morelenient than than you know I
have booked out of a bathroomstall in an airport, I mean

(44:06):
that's the pull quote.
I have booked out of a bathroomstall in an airport.
There we go.
Bye, we're done.
That's amazing, I meanliterally.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I mean you guys think so hard about making it perfect
for us and if you go in andstart editing and using special
effects I want to I'm going toring your neck.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Oh my goodness, I do know no wipes no swipes, no
fades.
Some people, I think, will evenfall down the rabbit hole of
I've heard of.
They write their name on theirrecording, like having a take,
they like and then re-recordingover it different inflections of

(44:51):
the voice, like lip syncing,their own voice.
I think we put so much pressureon ourselves you know, to really
make it be perfect, onourselves, you know to really
make it be perfect.
But if we wanted perfect, quote, unquote we would all just use
AI, which isn't even perfect,but I assume it'll be
technically perfect one day.
That's what we're here for.
We're here for the human.
We want that like little weirdglimmer and the thing that you
didn't even think was going tohappen in the moment to happen.
You've said you love beingsurprised in auditions.

(45:11):
I do.
We want the surprise.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I want the surprise, whatever that is.
I mean the last episode I didof my podcast.
I messed up the first name, thelast name I was perfect on and
I left it in.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, Because nobody wants to listen to somebody that
thinks they know everything youknow.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I'm sure I don't know everything.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think none of us know anything, but together we
know everything, when we cometogether as a community.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
That's what I think is the truth here and I think
that's all that we've talkedabout is we don't independently
we're not little islands thatyou know can figure out
everything, and but together wecould begin to figure it out,
and that's honestly.
That's why I started castingconfidential.

(46:01):
It was because I would sit onmy own and do castings for
decades and had to figure outeverything about my business.
A client would come to me andsay, can you do this?
Whatever it was, I'd say yes,and it would be done overnight
and FedEx to them in the morning.

(46:22):
And but now I have this amazingcommunity of casting directors
because our business iscomplicated.
Yes, it is really really crazyand complicated.
It's not just about theaudition, it's about bringing in
the work.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And bringing in the work that is going to be
appropriate for us to hireactors, appropriate for us to
hire actors.
I'm not going to hire you guysonto some crappy little project
that is not right, I can hireyou onto something that I think
will go nowhere.
But if the pay is good, thesituation is good.

(47:05):
That's fine we're all working.
We're all doing a little bit.
We're having some art.
I could put you on a studentfilm.
Nothing wrong with that, yeah.
I'm going to talk to a studentand say you're going to give
them some food and you're goingto give them some water.
Yeah, oh yeah, the pay is issomething, but it's also these

(47:31):
little things to take care ofthe humans that I am putting out
in the world, right, I feellike that's part of my deal, and
it's like the mama bearapproach.
Right, and I don't know how manypeople realize.
Also, you know, like casting,we're making offers.
It is not, you know, it's us,it's us doing all that stuff,

(47:53):
figuring it out, you know,helping them to spend their
budgets appropriately.
It's a lot.
It's a lot more than just whathappens between us in the
audition room.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, that's probably like 30-ish percent.
I've heard casting say is theaudition Maybe less, maybe less?
You're doing a lot more thanthat day to day.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Right, and it depends on you know what.
Most of us don't have staffanymore.
We, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, or, or, if you do, it's such a small office,
very probably just talking toeach other all day from what I
hear.
Yeah, so it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Community is where it's at.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, where it's also at isnumber five.
We made it Rose.
We're on our last principle andI think we've touched on it a
bit, but I do think it's animportant one to always hone
back, to Stay curious.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh my God, this is my favorite, I think in life.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's my favorite too.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Did you read Brian Grazer's book about curiosity?
He has two books you must readthem both.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
No, but please.
Okay, you must read them both.
This is going to give me somehomework.
Yeah, what are they called?
Do we remember?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Something about curiosity.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
But he built his entire career.
This is Ron Howard's you know,co-producer, right.
So he built his entire careeron asking for curiosity,
conversations with whoever hewanted to talk about, and he
just talked for you know, andthey'd let him into the office

(49:25):
and they'd talk for an hour.
And that didn't necessarilyyield jobs and maybe it did
sometimes but it gave.
You know, he built his thinkingthrough other people's thinking
.
And you know, to have acuriosity conversation, which is

(49:46):
not unlike what we're doing atthis moment, right.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, that's why I love this job.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Exactly.
We're curious people and wewant to find out what makes you
tick.
What's going on in there?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I couldn't even say job.
I stumbled over it because itjust is so fun for me.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right, no, exactly.
You're interested in humans andyou're interested in the
business.
You're also interested in theice cream guy and you're
interested in the business,you're also interested in the
ice cream guy I am.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
You remember that Rose Flag that away.
I got a big sweet tooth, Ithink, because I just did a
scene where I had to talk aboutan ice cream shop.
It's on the top of my mind.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh my God, we're gonna have to like, get you like
some ice cream.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
We're gonna have to get you some sugar.
I'm a big believer.
This is my sixth principle herehave dessert every day, unless
you're a diabetic, but whateverthat means to you, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Sorry, don't do it if you can't, but that could just
be a treat, metaphoricallyspeaking, have dessert every day
.
Yes, have a treat every day,because the word dessert just
connotates treat.
It doesn't have to be food, itcould be the walk.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It could be, it could be your dessert.
I know it doesn't sound right.
No, no, I love this and I thinkit kind of harks back to the
staying curious principle,because for me, having a treat
as an actor could be, you know,watching the new Netflix show
that day, or treating yourselfto a class it's also important

(51:13):
in the journey for stayingcurious and it's funny we're
ending with this.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
We talked about it a bit, but can we just talk about
the importance of, I guess,continuing training, even if you
are booking all the time,because you talk to a lot of

(51:39):
bigwigs that go constantly toclass and some that do not so
much, and if you're successful,you're successful.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, and this could be.
I mean, I will say, not that,not because of me, but this
because of you could be a classfor somebody right now,
listening to something like thisor casting confidential.
That is free learning and thatis free.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, no, I mean seek out information Be curious.
You know, take whateverinformation that is and use it
toward making your scenes better.
And that could be in a class,it could be going to the library
and watching people.

(52:24):
It could be walking down thestreet and watching people.
I think that's how you get tobe a better actor is observing
humans, because you are creatingthem and they're.
They shouldn't, they shouldn'tbe just you, right.
There should be glimmers of allthese people that you've seen

(52:44):
and and and talk with throughyour life, and that's what makes
your, your reads more rich didyou study acting?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Because I feel like you have such an actor's brain.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Not a lick, I have no .
I mean listen.
This is more than I've evercared to or been on camera is,
since all of this podcast stuffand this whole thing.
Yeah, I know and like what ishappening, I literally I have no
idea what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Well, listen, I think none of us do, but we fake it
till we make it, whatever makeit is.
And speaking of making it,you're making a lot of content.
What about the actors whocreate their own content?
What are your thoughts there?
Do you think actors out thereshould be sort of if it brings
them joy making things in theirdowntime?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yes, why wouldn't you ?
I mean literally, that's justlike any of the other workouts
we just talked about.
It's all a workout, it's all.
You can do a scene and put iton.
You know I don't recommenddoing copywritten scenes, but
you can write a scene and put iton your you know, whatever
YouTube, instagram, I don't care.

(53:57):
Tiktok, yeah.
Show your creativity.
Even if I never see it, thatdoesn't matter.
You should be doing that towork out.
If you get a million followersbecause you're working out your
acting chops, god bless, that'swonderful.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, yeah, hey, people will take it.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
But just do it for fun.
Let me also put a tiny caveatin.
Let's also remember that we area business right.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Whatever kind of floats your boat and makes you
happy, but no people arewatching.
And if that's if you want toreach a certain goal, I think
social media is a great way tohave a map, because you can use
social media to fulfill yourselfand do things that bring you
joy and lead you to a place youknow.
I see people all the timeespecially in name use a

(54:45):
different name, make it private.
You can have multiple accounts,yeah, ok, what's your overall
advice on actors and socialmedia, because we've asked a lot
of casting folks this andeverybody has a different
opinion.
You seem like someone who's forit.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Oh, absolutely I think it doesn't matter.
I think, once again, do whatmakes you happy.
Don't do a whole lot of obscenestuff on there, whatever that
is.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You know, keep Lose the of do a scene.
Lot of obscene stuff on there,whatever that is.
You know, keep lose the of do ascene.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Keep it professional.
If, if your goal isprofessional, keep it
professional.
You know I I do speak with alot of actors on social media,
actually, you know.
So you just never know who'sgoing to come in to slide into
your DMs.
But don't?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, hopefully an ice cream shop owner for me
after this episode, let's notforget about my raffle.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Can we talk about the raffle?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Oh yeah, bring it up as we come to a close here.
I only have a few more things,but I only have a couple left
this season, but please telleverybody about this raffle.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I only have a couple left this season, but we'll do
it again next season.
The greatest show closing ever.
We have a random actor.
I do spin the wheel on theInstagram and put in, but you
have to like, rate, review,follow.
You got to do a lot of thingsin order to get in, so the
numbers get smaller and smaller,but so this is what you get.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Tell us, what do we get.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
This is what you get.
You get to come on the show atthe end and do a scene against
the celebrity that I have on theshow, whoever that is, and
you're doing the scene andeverything's groovy, and then we
give you feedback all of us, me, another casting director and
the celebrity I'll give yeah andyou get to do it again wow, how

(56:43):
cool is that I mean, I don'tknow, I, I, this season, we just
really went crazy in terms of Ilove that the the podcast and
people are loving it.
And yeah, because you have alive audience, I believe you
record in front of.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I love that, the, the podcast, and people are loving
it and, yeah, because you have alive audience, I believe you
record in front of.
So you a lot, of, a lot of goodenergy.
I would probably like shootthrough the ceiling with a live
audience.
I'd be like.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I know right, yeah, yeah.
I'm already excited toliterally cover them up like
because I'm just right, becauseI can't know what's happening
over there, I have to focus onwhat's happening on my little
screen.
It's, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
But I love that because, again, it's a testament
to your, your, your, communitycreator.
Let's, let's say that RoseRosen, community creator I like
that.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That's, that's all I want.
Honestly, For some reason, Ibuild communities I and I love
that.
I love when people are togetherin, you know, like figuring,
figuring this thing out, theacting, the life, the whatever I
like it to be together, notjust I'm sitting here thinking

(57:45):
about stuff on my own.
It feels.
It feels so, so low, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, it's good to be alone, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I love to be alone.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Everybody needs a load time.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, but I just I think working things out
community is helpful.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, and it helps you all too, cause within your
community you're going to haveactors that know sort of what
you like in an audition, whatyou like in the business of
acting, and they can all talk toeach other and help each other.
All the tools.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
It's just.
It's a win-win for everybody.
Dads have community, Likeeverybody does groups.
So, actors should too, andcasting directors.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Maybe I'll start a little Facebook group after this
.
What do we think, people, weshould?
Just to connect and have funand share, you know, videos of
Meryl Streep talking, becausewhat else do we want to see?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Oh, my God, and that's all you need is more on
your plate.
That's the I don't know whatnumber one, seven or eight at
this point but that's the thing.
Don't put more on your platethan you can eat.
Don't, don't, do it.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Don't, don't do it, just no, is a complete sentence.
And you, just you need me abeautiful card that I'm going to
look at every day and hang upon my wall.
I think that was a wonderfulway to kind of wind down here
and I will say I was thinkingabout that this week.
When it rains, it pours, I am,I didn't even, I don't even want
to say this because I know it'shard to get an audition right
now.
I had eight this week, which israre.

(59:32):
It's rare, it's rare in thesetimes, but when it rains it
pours, all different kindsmusical, theater, commercial and
I felt so lucky but at the sametime, that's a lot for you,
it's a lot for a person thatwants to do a good job, yeah,
but it all takes everything outof you.
I think, and I think too,because we all have.
You know, we have day jobs,family members, lives.

(59:54):
Some of us are in a show or ona show.
When we get the auditions andyou want to put so much into it
that eight can seem likeimpossible, You're going to
naturally like shine through assort of with your own magical
sauce and what will stick willstick, because I think we put a

(01:00:18):
little bit too much pressure onourselves.
Sometimes it is an audition.
At the end of the day it's notlike you said.
They're not looking for theperfect take.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Otherwise they'll just do it.
Well, we don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Wait.
I mean, you probably won't getthat one if you didn't do it.
But it's not like I'm going tosay, oh, he didn't do that one.
Well, I'm never hiring, neverbringing him in again.
That's ridiculous.

(01:00:53):
I brought you in for a reasonyou had a good resume, you had a
good look, you had something,and I'll do that again.
It's everybody has a good day,a bad day, a good audition, a
bad audition None of thatmatters.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And plus two there's so many levels of what is a good
audition and what's going tobook.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's, it's anybody's guess.
So just do it.
Just do it.
Do the best you can with thegiven circumstances and those
given circumstances are timingand don't ask for a bunch of
extensions, that kind of stuffsticks with me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
That's a nice.
Well that this is nice, like Iget once in a while people need
them.
But this brings up a question Ihave for you which is I mean,
as if I haven't had otherquestions for you, a question I
have for you now wrote Do theactors that submit first and
right away kind of have a leg up?
So if I get an audition and Isubmit like that day versus

(01:01:50):
waiting the whole week, doesthat kind of subconsciously like
the person sticks in your mind?
Does?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
it.
Give them a leg up to you.
It doesn't in that they stickin my mind, it doesn't.
But I have had clients bookbefore.
The window is even closed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Because you get excited about a person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
you send it Because they're up against the wall.
This is generally speakingcommercials, or if I'm replacing
somebody and we have to give acertain window, right yeah, and
sometimes I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I just had a 24-hour rush one Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
And I'll give the client a live link.
So, they see, what they see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
There you go.
Right and if they see someonethat's great for it, right, and
then they're just going to saygo, we got it done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
We're done and I could go and find my locations.
Get my wardrobe?
I need to.
I need to get this gal dressed.
I need to.
No, but in order to get herdressed, they need to have her
sizes.
If they don't have her cast,they don't have her sizes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You're so right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So it's all of the things.
It's not just about the one.
It's not just about you, it'snot just about me, it is about
the project, and that's what weall need to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
You know, really understand Everybody's working
so hard.
It's such a, like you said,that we're focusing on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, you know you're not showing up and just you
know this is all about you.
It is certainly not.
Yeah, I don't care if you'rethe top of the call sheet.
I do not care.
The people who are at the topof the call sheet never think of
it as about them, the best ones.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Think about it even in life, with family members or
friends, the people that walkinto the room and make it all
about them.
Do you want to really hang outwith them?
Not usually honestly, becauseit's there's no room for anybody
else to shine, and I thinkthat's a wonderful reminder.
I also love this because youcould be the quote unquote
perfect person for the job.
But there's somebody elsethat's good for it, and if they

(01:04:14):
send it in right away and theysee that the train's going to
keep moving and you might haveyou might have missed out on
something that was perfect foryou.
So I'm glad you answered that,because it it does stick in my
brain as okay.
The fastest you can get it in,the better for the most part
with commercials, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I mean we generally say done is better than perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I like that too.
You're dropping gems, rose, andI need you to drop two more
gems, okay, because our time isending together, like we always
do, with a got and a given.
So I would love the best pieceof advice you've gotten and the
best piece of advice you'vegiven in this industry.
So we could start with the got.
What do you think the bestyou've?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
gotten overall is, I think, from Anthony Michael Hall
.
Oh, we have a quote.
I love it.
I love we can attribute it.
He was, he was on scissor handsand we talked a lot and and he
was just coming back up from abad spell, if you will, and he
said and I've heard many peoplesay this since then but you meet
the same people on the way upas you do on the way down, be
nice to all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Right, you know I love that Be kind.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah, that's beautiful.
You know, like the PAs.
You know like the PAs are nextyear's directors.
You know what was it?
Some big movie just hired a 19year old to direct the movie our

(01:05:53):
best selves.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
You know everybody has bad days.
But try to lead with kindness,because it's actually good for
you too.
It comes back to you.
It's good for your wellbeing.
And don't be kind to somebodyjust because you think they
could get you something.
Be kind because it will makethem feel good and it will make
you feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
And then you'll be in a better mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
There we go.
The business starts and endswith kindness, and this episode
ends with a given.
What is the best piece ofadvice you have to give to
today's acting community?
Rose?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I mean, it's really back to the beginning.
Always be honest, Always, yeah,I mean you know the truth will
set you free.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I love that I might put an echo effect on you saying
that that's so funny.
The truth will set you free.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I love that I might put an echo effect on you saying
that that's so funny.
The truth will set you free,that's so great.
I mean, my favorite piece ofadvice is live each day as if
it's your last, because we don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
That's beautiful advice in general, and I think
actually it's going to reframeself-tapes for me a bit, because
film your self-tape as if it'sthe last one that you'll ever
film.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
That's it.
So it translates to actors.
You just, you know you're likeI like to tidy things up with
people.
You don't like to leave thingsin a negative space when I leave
them.
I want to sweep the floor youknow, Sweep the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
There's another good one.
Is there going to be arose-rosing?
You know little calendar thatwe can rip off with quotes,
Because I would buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Well, let's just do that then.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Let's do it.
Every other page can.
One can be you, the next pagecan be me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Just, giving my number, telling people to send
me ice cream.
I think we're onto somethinghere.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I think so too, and we can get.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Breyers hello Breyers to sponsor us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Or Ben and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Jerry's, Ben and Jerry's are really nice people
actually I know, yeah, andthey're very philanthropic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I want to write a biopic about them.
Will you read my script, Rose?
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
They're the coolest guys though, seriously, but yeah
, let's get them as sponsors andmake this calendar.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I love that so much.
You heard it here firsteverybody.
I went to the factory the Benand Jerry's factory Best day of
my life.
Highly recommend it in Vermont.
It's magical, smells good, gota t-shirt, but this was also so
magical.
Rose, Thank you so much forbeing a guest on how we Roll.
I just think you are such asmart, lovely and inspiring

(01:08:22):
person and I appreciate all youdo for actors.
You give actors so many freeresources and we really need
more people like you.
So thanks for being you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Thank you, it's my pleasure.
I loved being here with you andspending this time with you.
It's always a joy to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Oh, it's so nice we had this time together.
To quote Carol Burnett, I meanthe greatest.
The greatest of all time.