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June 19, 2025 36 mins

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Amri B. Johnson, inclusion strategist and founder of Inclusion Wins, joins us this episode to discuss the tumultuous climate of DEI practices in today’s organizations and how companies can navigate toward more effective inclusion strategies. 


[0:00] Introduction

  • Welcome, Amri!
  • Today’s Topic: Creating Anti-fragile Organizational Cultures

[7:27] How to begin tackling DEI challenges

  • Shifting current DEI practices built on outdated paradigms
  • Understanding viewpoints of those with opposing opinions

[16:39] Navigating DEI amidst anti-DEI rhetoric

  • Recognizing that people are multi-dimensional, not two-dimensional
  • Building trust within an organization to improve inclusion

[30:55] Helping employees overcome fear of organizational change

  • Recognizing the root cause of employee concern
  • Focus on building relationships and engaging with colleagues

[35:27] Closing

  • Thanks for listening!

Quick Quote:

“A lot of DEI practices in the US are based on paradigms of old. We need to think about what’s possible now . . .”

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