Bowhunting Wins, Lessons, And Tough Truths

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A clean shot isn’t the only thing that makes a hunt honest. We dig into two bow stories that don’t flinch: a high hit with no blood that turns into a bigger buck days later, and a first-year bowhunter who waits out a feeding buck at 35 yards, makes the shot, then learns what coyotes do overnight. No gloss, no shortcuts—just the choices that matter when the wind swirls, the light fades, and your heart is pounding in a tree.

Lane breaks down how summer scouting and elevated cell cams built a pattern that held through the opener, why wind is the one variable he won’t ignore, and how backing out after a marginal hit saved the season. He shares the moment he heard the diaphragm pop on a heavy-bodied 12 and the quiet relief of finding him within 80 yards. We talk scoring, why tall-tined deer looked smaller from high cameras, and how genetics tied his buck to a known local giant.

Anthony—farmer, lumberjack competitor, and now first-time bowhunter—walks through a field-edge setup between soybeans and a regrowing cut. He explains why he avoided bait to protect a consistent travel pattern, how a steady headwind let him stay invisible, and the patience it took to watch an eight work from 100 to 35 yards. The shot felt perfect. The blood was thin. He backed out, returned at daylight, and recovered the buck despite coyotes. Along the way, he connects lessons from timber sports—razor edges, discipline, and timing—to making good decisions at full draw.

We also get candid about nuisance permits, deer density, and crop damage, laying out how assessments and research guide those tags. If you’re dialing early-season strategy, wondering when to wait versus push a track, or curious how soybeans and cuts shape movement, this one gives you a grounded, real-world blueprint. If it helps, share it with a buddy, subscribe for more hunts that tell the whole story, and leave a review with your toughest recovery lesson—we’ll feature our favorites next week.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
This is Huntson Outfitting Podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,Ken Maher.
I love everything hunting, theoutdoors, and all things
associated with it.
From stories to how-tos, you'llfind it here.
Welcome to the podcast.
Hey, thanks for tuning in.
If you're a first-time listener,welcome.

(00:32):
If not, welcome back.
This week we are talking deerhunting and more specifically,
bow hunting for deer.
We have two stories from acouple of great fellas, one who
has been on lots before, and theother, it's his first time on
the podcast.
Both deer hunting stories eachhave their own unique set of
downfalls and challenges that Ithink a lot of you listening

(00:54):
will be able to relate to.
One of today's guests is also apretty good lumberjack that we
learn about as well.
And along with some laughs andchat about two beauty bucks,
you're gonna want to stay tuned.
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Alright, boys, so happy to haveyou here.
You know, I've I've had somepeople say that uh they'd like
to hear more women on thepodcast, right?
And I'm I'm always looking andto find more women, and I think
you know where this is going.
Lane, I'm happy to have you onagain.
Uh this is Lane's Lane's for thewomen's side.

(02:04):
No, but uh we've got a new guesttoday, Anthony uh mad dog
McLean, and uh we're gonna getto know you in a minute there.
But Anthony, you and I met uhwell it was like this early
spring at a Rack Stacker event.
And those who don't knowRackstacker, it is Canadian.
It's a Canadian seed and mineralcompany for deer.

(02:24):
And um, I remember you're likelooking at me and I was like,
what is he looking at?
And then you're like, Are youthe guy with the coon hounds?
And I was like, I don't know,are you DNR?
Oh yeah, yes, I am.
Um and then uh yeah, we've goneout a few times this year, and
uh every time it's it's beengood.
It's been real good.
Well, we get one from the truck,let Greta go on the weekend
there.
She got one, what'd you say, 80feet from the truck?

(02:47):
Bam, there's one up the treethere and stuff.
We've had a couple of gnarlyfights, uh, the Coons, some of
them came down a little morealive than they should have
been.
But we and then when we're deadon with that gun, though, we are
dead on with it.
But no, it's been a lot of fun.
But um it was funny though, Iwas talking about the
Rackstacker thing, and uh, likeI said, I could I could go up
there and just ruin the wholeevent.

(03:08):
You went too late.
The food was great, the freefood and stuff, the prizes were
awesome.
But like I said, he's like,Well, you gotta feed this rack
stacker to get big deer andeverything.
And you know, I could go upthere and ruin the whole thing
by just taking the mic and belike, You guys want to shoot big
deer?
And I'm like, Yeah! Like, stopshooting little ones and then
just drop the mic and leave, andthere you go.

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But you know, it was funny,Anthony, because we were talking
and you were saying uh for thosethat don't know, it was in
Sussex, and Sussex is uh was orstill is the dairy farm capital
of Atlantic Canada, and he'slecturing a bunch of farmers and
stuff about how importantnutrition is, and all that.
It's like, yeah, this crowdknows about nutrition and what

(03:50):
animals should be eating andeverything.
This they're well aware.
Um, but uh no, the food was goodand the prizes were good.
Yeah, it's always a good time.
Yeah, so um yeah, it was fun.
Fun uh fun event for that part.
Um and then yeah, the coonhunting's been really good this
year.
Come out.
Yep, it's been a lot of fun.
You didn't know what to expect,huh?

SPEAKER_03 (04:09):
No, not really, no.
It was yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
It's nighttime hunting and it's legal.
Yeah, just coons though, nothingelse.
Yeah, yeah, you've been you'reearly this year, Lane.
Yeah, too.
Um so Anthony, I mean we want toget to know you.
So you're Anthony McLean.
Yes.
What do you do for work?

SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
Uh so I am a farmer, I guess.
Uh and then in addition to that,I also work construction with my
family.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Right.
You guys have a big uh concretebusiness, right?

SPEAKER_03 (04:34):
Yeah, mainly concrete and steel buildings.
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
You guys working on a dairy farm right now?
Uh yeah, apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah, not a farm, a whole farm,a barn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um and then I want to talk alittle bit.
You're big into uh the woodsmancompetitions.
Tell us about that a bit.

SPEAKER_03 (04:48):
Uh yeah, so I guess I compete in uh it's called the
Maritime Lumberjack Associationin Atlantic, Canada here.
So uh yeah, lumberjackcompetition with uh traditional
like chopping, sawing events.
So uh yeah, it originated backin the day, I guess, when
lumberjacks were in camps andthey were done at the end of the
day and they wanted to have somefun.

SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
See who's good, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (05:09):
Yeah, so it was a competition to see who could do
their work the fastest.
So it's kind of carried on todayand is still a thing around
here.
Uh and then yeah, I also do uhstill timber sports.
So that's kind of separate.
Yeah, it's it's the same uh sameevents sort of.
Uh so there's six main eventsthat I do uh with timber sports.
But yeah, it's the same thing,just uh more professional level,

(05:31):
I guess.

SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
So hats off to still.
I like Hus Caverna myself.
I don't know where you stand onthat.
You probably can't say like, oh,I like still.
Um but uh I find the old stillsare good, the new stills I find
are kind of junky, honestly.
I like Hus Caverna.
Um but good for them for they'vecompletely got that market.
Yeah, it's not Hus Gaverna stillchainsaw timber sports, it's

(05:52):
just still.
And it you said that's more ofthe professional level, right?
That's the big circuit.

SPEAKER_03 (05:57):
So it's uh yeah, it's global.
Um all over the world.
Uh it's big in Europe right now,it's really growing in the
world.

SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Oh, yeah, that's where they're from, right?
Yeah, but Huskaverna and stillat the end of the year.

SPEAKER_03 (06:07):
Yeah, I actually I think that's still I I should
know.
So I think they might haveoriginated in this.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
But they're big.
I know they're American now, I'mpretty sure.
But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So they uh so it's global.
Okay, I didn't realize global.
But I mean, good for them thatthey were able to, like I said,
completely sponsor that justthem.

SPEAKER_03 (06:28):
Yeah, and they also sponsor uh like the Maritime
Lumberjack Association I wastalking about.
They also sponsor that.
Um so they're kind of the mainsponsor.

SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
So that's what you have a bunch of guys at uh
logging camp in the night, havea couple beers, be like, hey,
Shaq, I think I could chopthrough that tree faster than
you.
Like, oh yeah.
And then it just went fromthere.
That's the guy's competitivespirit.
So uh you started it in college.
You went to college foragriculture, right?

SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
Yeah, so I went to uh Dalhousie uh intro at the
agriculture campus, uh joinedthe Woodsman team in my third
year.
So I didn't do it till the lasttwo years.
Yeah, I missed the first twoyears.
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
Um focusing on your studies, a girl.

SPEAKER_03 (07:08):
Yeah, I guess I was coming home a lot.
Um and I just didn't think Iwanted to take the time to do
it.

SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
But you must have had a girlfriend then, did you?

SPEAKER_03 (07:16):
Yeah, I did.
Fresh.
Yeah.
Uh no, it'd been well a year, ayear and a half, I guess, by the
time I went to the house.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (07:22):
All right.
I don't got time for choppinglogs.
I'd gotta hang out with mywoman.
Um Keep this PG.
Uh so then uh so then you getinto it.
And uh so what what do youspecialize in?

SPEAKER_03 (07:35):
Uh so I really enjoy the chopping.

SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
Uh is that where you stand on it and you're chopping
it's be it's down by your feet?

SPEAKER_03 (07:43):
Yeah, so that would be the underhand chop.
Uh so when you're chopping thelog like uh I guess it'd be
horizontal log below your feet.
And then there's also thestanding block chop, which is uh
vertically like anchored log,and you're chopping that down.
So you're like felling a treekind of uh simulator.
So you do both.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
Now I saw so they used to have this at the uh they
used to do the still uh timbersports at the county fair here.
I don't know if they still do.
They don't anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (08:07):
Roger McPhee, he's from Petty.
Right.
Um, yeah, he used to be big intoit, and well, he still is big
into it actually, but um yeah,he used to organize it around
here.

SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
But it's a chainsaw carver as well, right?
Yeah, yeah, really neat.
Um yeah, because I rememberwatching it when they used to
have it at the county fair here,and it was pretty neat, but
you'd see the guys chopping thelog down by their feet, and then
some of them you're like, hemust have that there because
he's cautious, smart, or he hadan accident.
Um they'd have like the bigsteel shin things going up and

(08:38):
all over their boot.
Like, I'm thinking he missed aswing.

SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
Like the guy I went to school with he used to do it
for UMB, and he was out in BC ina competition, and he actually
hit his leg and Brad.
Yeah, split it like wide open.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:53):
Like a bunch of staples and internal stitches,
and it was it was bad.

SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
So do you wear that?

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Uh I do.
It's it's a little more discreetnow.
Like uh, you know, the you'renot so big and big and clonky,
but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Or we're flip-flops and short shorts.

SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
No, it's uh it's chain mail, uh is what they're
made of, actually, and it's likea sock that goes over and and
comes up to just below yourknee.

SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
Oh, because yeah, the guy that I saw that had it
on that time, I noticed it waslike big, obnoxious armor knight
looking thing.
I think he was like sirsomething from the looks of it.
But uh but I I didn't blame himbecause I was like, all it would
yeah, you miss once and you hada light.

SPEAKER_03 (09:33):
Yeah, it's crazy.
People don't realize, but likeyou can I well I have shaved my
arms with it.
I'm not brave enough to shave myface with it yet.

SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
But yeah, the kn the axe is that sharp.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:44):
My axe is sharper than my hunting knife, actually.
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Do you sharpen it?

SPEAKER_03 (09:48):
Uh yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
So how what's the secret?
Uh so I mean I don't thinkthey're not that sharp.

SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
Yeah, no, I don't get too too crazy into it.
I do like kind of the finaltouches, so I'll touch up my my
axis with a razor hone.

SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (10:01):
So it's just a really fine stone.
So I'll touch them up with thatand I also use diamond stones if
there was a little bit of a burror something to get out of it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
Um but the big if you make a big uh dent in your
in your edge or you know youtake a big chunk out of it, then
you usually will send it away tosomebody to get that fixed.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they have specialists.
Like an actual filing jig um ormachines to do it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
You call them that a filing jig?
Yeah.
That's not like a derogatoryterm.
No.
It sounds good if you say itquick.
Um, okay.
That's interesting.
Any other things?
Do you do you put anythingspecial in the wood of your axe
handle or uh no, not so much theaxe handle.

SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
Uh the head of the axe just to keep it from
rusting.
Uh and just to take care of it,I put uh crown lubricant on it.
Nice.
Um a lot of people use WD-40too, but WD-40 has solvents in
it.

SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
WD40, I find it's not what we all used to think it
was when we were kids.
You know, it it's really notthat good.
Yeah.
Like you said, I I get stufffrom work that crown stuff.
It's it's really good.
Yeah.
The WD forty, you hear that alot.
It's it's kind of it's dry,really, if anything.

SPEAKER_02 (11:07):
It kind of gels up.

SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah, I find it it's it's dry when you put on like
moving parts and all that.
It doesn't work.
Like it's not the cat's ass thatwe all used to think it was, you
know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
Yeah.
So the STP, like I said, itdoesn't have solvents, so it's
it's a little safer for them.
And then when you're choppingthe wood, uh, we use STP uh like
engine oil treatment.
So it's like on the wood?
Yeah, well on the axe, on thehead of the axe.
Yeah.
So it's like a really heavy oiland it's almost like a gel,
really.
And uh it helps when you hit thelog, your axe will kind of

(11:37):
bounce back out of the wood, soit helps it from sticking in the
wood.
Oh yeah.
So your axe is more free and youcan swing faster.

SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (11:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
Because I have seen that when guys hit in, they'll
try to pull it back out, so theydidn't know that trick.
Really?
You guys do that.
That's interesting.
Insider secret, or it's wellknown.

SPEAKER_03 (11:55):
No, it's yeah, it's pretty well everybody in the in
the game around here at leastuses it.

SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
Really?
That's interesting.
That's smart.
Who figured that out?

SPEAKER_03 (12:05):
I don't know who figured it out, I guess.
I mean, guys will use all kindsof stuff.
Some people use WD40, somepeople use use crown or sprays,
but yeah, but yeah, I don't knowwho figured the STP thing out.

SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
But you uh you did well with the axe thing.
What did because I saw thisyear, what did you get?
You can brag, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
I won't brag, but yeah, no, I go ahead, brag.
Uh it was in the single bucksawing.
Yep.
Uh so it's like a big one mancross-cut saw.
Uh, I got the set the NorthAmerican rookie record uh in
still timber sports.

SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
That's pretty impressive.
Yeah.
That is pretty impressive.
Really good.
Um you set the North Americanrecord.

SPEAKER_03 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:45):
For rookie.

SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
Yeah, so for the rookie level.
In like in timber sports,there's a rookie league, so
that's up to 25 years old.
And then after that, you're inthe pro division.
Yep.
That's worth bragging about.
Yeah, that's what you can bragabout that.

SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah.
Wow.
Any so how'd you get good atthat?

SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
Uh it's at school, actually.
It's it's kind of funny, but onthe east coast of Canada,
there's a lot of really goodSawyers, like that are very good
at single box sawing.

SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
But you call them Sawyers?

SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
Yeah, so I guess, yeah.
Yep.
All right.
And so yeah, there's a ton ofguys, and where I went to school
at the agriculture campus,there's well, there's three or
four different people uh thathave helped coach the team that
are are really good Sawyers andand know what they're doing.
And like the well, the currentworld record actually is held by
a guy from New Brunswick, uh BenCumberland.

(13:31):
Really?
So he's from Keswick Ridge.

SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
Yeah, there's a few Cumberlands up that way.

SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
Yeah, b big in the timber sports world.

SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
Related to Rod?

SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Yeah, so that's that's Rod's son.

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
Really?
Yeah.
And he so those listeningprobably don't know Rod
Cumberland.
He used to be the deer biologisthere in New Brunswick, really
good at it.
When I took my bow huntingcourse years ago, uh he was like
one of the guests there andtaught us about like blood
tracking and all that.
And then um there's a certaincompany here that owns Atlantic
Canada, and they spray uhglyphosate on the trees and all

(14:04):
that to kill them so they canjust have to kill the hardwood
so the softwood grows up, and hesaid the obvious that that was
killing deer.
Uh he magically got fired fromhis position, basically, right?
That's kind of how it happened.

SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
Yeah, I I really don't know the story, so I don't
want to speak on it.
But yeah, I I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
But he but I know that Rod's very big into the uh
the still timber sports, right?
So that's his son that has that.
Oh wow the record.
Wow.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:30):
His other son, Nathan, is is in uh going to
Italy, actually.
He's over in Europe right nowfor the world championships on
Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 (14:37):
Jeez, does he have another son that like plays
piano and doesn't do any ofthat?

SPEAKER_03 (14:41):
Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
Pretty competitive household.
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah.
And there's uh the other sonthat no one talks about.
No.
No, that uh the bar set quitehigh there.
Wow.
Yeah.
Um so that's what you do.
You you you your favorite is theuh the axe?

SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
Yeah, the axes and the single buck.
I really enjoy that as well.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
So what are they names?
So there's the Sawyer, the ohthe buck jigger.
What then what is it?
The guy that sharpens your axe.

SPEAKER_03 (15:09):
Oh uh well they they use a filing jig.
A filing jig.
Yeah.
So I guess like uh an axe fileror an axe grinder is what you'd
call them.
But then they use uh some ofthem use a jig to set the
angles.

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Filing jig.
Uh what are some other names?
Oh what about uh chopper.
Chopper, yeah.
Do you do that one where theythey put the notches in the
tree, put the boards in, andclimb up, and then you go up to
the top and then cut off thetop?
I always found that wasimpressive.
You see, some guys would likechance it they don't they
wouldn't put it in too deep,they'd put the board in thinking
they could stand on it.

(15:42):
And I've seen some fall.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I've been there.

SPEAKER_02 (15:44):
Yeah, I was like watching them tug of war.

SPEAKER_00 (15:47):
I don't remember seeing that.
You do you do that, tug war?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
No, that's intense.

SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (15:52):
You take it very seriously.
Oh, you gotta.

SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
You gotta.
When is tug of war not to betaken seriously, Lane?
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
That's true.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
Um, you don't do the tug of war?

SPEAKER_03 (16:02):
No, no, not big into the tug of war thing.
No?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (16:05):
You like just relying on yourself and not your
team.
You only got one person toblame.

SPEAKER_03 (16:09):
Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Uh, do you do the team sawing?

SPEAKER_03 (16:13):
Uh the cross cut in college we did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I got well, I guess inthe summertime I did as well.

SPEAKER_00 (16:18):
Um You got used to see him teammate every time.
You guys couldn't work off eachother, know how.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:22):
I have a friend in Nova Scotia who actually was one
of my coaches and taught me alot of of what I know.
So yeah, he's my my currentpartner for you wouldn't partner
with anybody else, huh?
No, not right now.

SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
No, you gotta like you it's a big thing.
Like when I push, you freakingpull.
Yeah.
Like, all right.
And I'll do the same when youhappen to be pushing it this
way, and I'll I'll pull it.
Um no, that's interesting.
Yeah, no, I knew I saw thatbecause this summer you had a
thing, like, yes, that's prettygood.
The North American thing, that'sthat's impressive.
Very good.
And when you're not doing that,you're hunting.

(16:53):
And when you're not firemanconstruction, still timber
sports and all that, going coonhunting with me and stuff.
You're hunting for deer.
Yep.
And you got your first first bowkill.

SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
First bow kill, yeah.
So we're excited to talk aboutthat.
Uh, and then we've got Lane.
Lane is a recurring guest.
He works for the city ofMoncton, Moncton Hole Watchers,
uh proud member of it.
And uh, Lane, you were on forthe trivia one.
You won the buck grunt uh fromRiver's Edge Game Calls, but you
didn't even have to use it.

SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
You were prepared to.
I was, but you didn't have tobecause you got your deer.
So, boys, Lane, you got yourfirst book.
I'll tell you, Lane, you'vedefinitely No, first bow deer.
First bow deer, yeah.
Yeah, first bow deer.
I'll tell you too, Lane, you'vedefinitely I'll say this, you
put in your time.
You put in a lot of time fordeer.

SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Yeah, I've questioned it a couple sits in
the tree saying I'm like, whatam I doing?

SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
Um yeah, okay, I'm glad you've questioned that.
No, I'll say it now because youput in so much time for bow not
for bow season, for you hunt bowlast year.
I mean, last year and the otheryears you had to bow season,
which is a bit early here in NewBrunswick, then you hunt rifle,
then muzzle loader, which isnext year week.
You do a lot.
You tagged out this year in bowseason.
Yep.
So I was like, what are yougonna do now?
You're gonna take up knitting,crocheting, piano, like

(18:08):
something that takes a bit oftime to learn because you got it
now, because you've just put allthat time into deer hunting
before, and and you know, you'redone, you're tagged out.
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
Scout for next year.
I still got five weeks off fordeer season this year, so I can
I wanna help dad.

SPEAKER_00 (18:24):
You're gonna take it.

SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
I want to try to find the holes can watch
themselves.

SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
I want to try to find dad a a big one to get on
and and scout for next year.

SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
Yeah.
Well, boys, I'm excited.
Anthony, you're new.
We're gonna let uh Lane go firstso uh you can see how he tells
his story, and then you justgotta top him.
Uh Lane, so right here, I'mlooking at your deer.
We're gonna have it in thepodcast profile picture.
It's a nice deer, it's a thickdeer.
Um tell us the story, Lane.
Tell us the story.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
Well, actually, it starts with a different deer.

SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
Right.
And and and here's the thing,too.
So I know Anthony, you had alittle incident with your deer,
and we're gonna get to that, andLane you did too.
But I want people because a lotof podcast hunting podcasts or
hunting TV shows, I I find it'sgotten better now, but they
always show the the you know,everything went great.
You know, we sat in the stand,saw the animal, came out, made

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the perfect shot, dropped onsite, it when it fell down, it
loaded itself into the bike orwhatever, we got it out.
Everything was so perfect,right?
And I find that the show, thepodcast and shows are getting
better with showing that likethat's not that's not how it
always goes.
No.
And it's okay that it doesn'talways go like that because it's
not everything's perfect, andnot everything can go perfectly,

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and I think we need to talkabout sometimes it doesn't.
Yeah, and that's just the way itis.
So, Lane, let's start there.

SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Yeah, well, it was this summer.
Uh I wanted to test out some news new spots, see what was in the
area.
And I remember years ago when Iwas running equipment in the
woods, we did a a block, and Iremember I seen a big deer in
there.
That would be probably six orseven years ago, and I always
wondered what was in that area.

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So I decided I said, oh,whatever, this year I'll go in,
scale it around a round a littlebit, put some mineral out, and
it was didn't take me very longthat I had a big deer starting
to hit, and I always have thebest luck with trying to find
deer in the summer and then geton them early before they switch
to their their fall range.
Anyways, but he kept coming inand he uh a lot and he stripped

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velvet and I said, Well, maybehe'll leave.
And he kept coming in, like Ithink it was like twenty-one
days out of twenty-eight.
He daylighted, and I said, Wow,that's that's pretty good.
He the he's killable.
And I knew he I had to get onhim early because uh there was
no dough on that camera, juststrictly bucks.

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And had a couple other deercoming in on camera.

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
And so you you only had bucks there.
What were you running for onyes?
Mineral out.
Is that is that it?
Yeah, just mineral.
What did what did you put out?

SPEAKER_02 (21:05):
Uh Rackstacker Glory.

SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
Oh yeah, and that that worked.

SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
Yeah, I just put it on dead stump and I leave it for
the end.

SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Alright, no, I was just curious about that.
So you just had just bucks, nodose.

SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
No.
I had the big one was hangingaround with a little s smaller
of an eight-pointer, but thateight-pointer disappeared right
around August.
And I had a couple four or fivepoints in with him.
Anyway, I said so.
I went out before the season.
I've been baiting, he's beendaylighting consistently every
day.
So I hung the stand up and itwas opening day.

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I didn't we were late cominghome from work, so I didn't get
a chance to sit, and he was atmy stand at 5 30.
I said, Well, anyway, so thesecond day, I took the day off
work, said I'm getting in herelots early, and uh sitting in
there and terrible wind.

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Wind was swirling everywhere.
If I wouldn't have sat if I knewit was gonna do that.
And right around 5 30, 6o'clock, I had a I had a little
spike come in behind me and heworked his way off, and then it
was about 20 after six, I lookover, and he stand, I can see

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the nine-pointer standing therelooking at me.
And he was a lot bigger than Ithought he was.

SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Oh, yeah, for a nine-pointer.

SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
Yeah, because I always put my camera long tines
on him.
Yeah, I put my camera like eightfeet in the air facing down.
I make brackets for them.

SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
Just do you do that?
I do that because of bear.

SPEAKER_02 (22:36):
Bear.

SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
That's the reason.

SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
And I have a bear box, but still.

SPEAKER_02 (22:40):
I just got tired of bears ripping cameras off trees,
and then ever since I startedmaking those brackets, I haven't
had any issue with bear.
Yeah.
But the downfall is the deerlook smaller because you're
looking down on them.
And the first thing I noticedwhen he c first thing I seen,
I'm like, that is a big bodieddeer.
And the wind was going right tohis face.
And the whole time he was comingin, head in the air, licking his

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nose, oh, he's gonna bust me.
And he kept slowly coming in,slowly coming in.
He got about 50 yards, and thenhe started to veer away.
I said, Oh, he's not gonna doit.
And then he was walking away,and then he cuts right back
towards the bait, and he got hewas kind of off to like the
right hand corner of the bait,just at a camera shot, and he

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stood there and he knewsomething was up, and then all
of a sudden I could hear walkingbehind me.
And I'm like, oh, just what Ineed, another nose instead of
eyes in here.
Anyway, he wouldn't he wouldn'tcome into the bait, and he kept
inching ahead and inching ahead,and I got a window, and I put
the rangefinder up, and it's Idon't know if I hit the tree
that was behind him, but Iclicked it and it said 30.

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So I'm like, well, that's in myrange, and then he inched ahead
and he put his head in behind abig maple tree.
And I drew back and waited andwaited, and he he took his
shoulder, he wouldn't take astep, opened his shoulder up and
uh shot, and instantly I knew Ihit him high.
And he bolted out of there.

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I knew I didn't have goodpenetration, the air was
sticking out of him, and anyway,I gave him a little bit and got
out of the stand.
And oddly enough, uh as soon asI stepped out of the stand, the
strap on the tree stand let go.

SPEAKER_00 (24:27):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Yeah, and I didn't know that happened.
And I wasn't wearing a harness.

SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
So that's why you look like that right now.

SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
Yeah.
As soon as I took a step off tothe onto my climbing stick, it
didn't fall, but it it shiftedenough that I probably would
have fell out if I was standingin it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Jeez, like you need another head injury.
Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
Anyway, I got out, walked back to the truck,
called, called dad and mybrother and a couple of the
buddies.

SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
Well, I remember you called me and I saw that you
called, and I was just gettinghome from work and I did
something, and then I calledback like, I don't know, a
little bit later, and thenyou're like, you don't answer
your phone during deer season.

SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
I'm like, so I told you, I said when your buddy, you
know your buddies are huntingand they call during daylight
hours, answer the phone.

SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
Well, I I never put it all together.
I was I was getting home fromwork, I was cranky.
So then that's when I told.

SPEAKER_02 (25:12):
Anyway, we went in, uh, my dad, brother, and I, and
Brody went in and looked.
I knew it was a high shot,didn't have a lot of
penetration, but I thought maybeI hit top of the lungs, or maybe
I nicked that artery that uhruns along their spine.
Anyway, we went in, never foundthe arrow, never found a drop of
blood.

SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
Because I tried calling you after you didn't
answer yet, and then I messagedBrody because I knew he was
there.
I said, Hey, me and Ryan are onstandby to come out and help you
guys if you need a hand.
And Brody's like, well, Lane'son sitting on a log right now
saying that he's done huntingfor the year.

SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
So I don't think he's gonna be able to do it.
From an all-time high to anall-time low real quick.
Uh dad and Denver end up takingWednesday off.
So we went back again at firstlight.
My buddy Connor came up and wemet up with us because it was so
thick in there.
I'm like, if he if he is down,we could walk within 20 yards of
him, we'd never see him in thisold clear cut.

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It's so overgrown.

SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Anyway, I think we put in Well that your brother's
got eagle eyes.
Oh, yeah.
He's got he's got good.

SPEAKER_02 (26:13):
If there's something dead, Denver and Denver and Dad
can find it.
Anyway, we looked for probablyfour or five hours, and it was
gonna start to rain.
I said, let's just back out.
I said, I I don't think he'sdead.
We'll just wait.
Anyway, went back in, went towork Thursday, and I just had a
terrible feeling, just got Ijust felt terrible about it.

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I said, I just I gotta go back,I gotta go look again.
Just I gotta put as much effortinto it.
Even though I had a pretty goodchance he wasn't dead, I just
gotta do my due diligence and golook.
Anyway, so my buddy Darren camein, we just grid searched, like
we grid searched between all ofus.
It was like a two and a halfkilometer radius of the tree
standing all directions.

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We grid searched, and I'm like,as far as I know, like we never
found, still never found a dropof blood the whole time.
So I'm like, as far as I know,this this deer's not dead.
Anyway, while we were lookingThursday, my cameras went off at
a different stand, and my numberone target deer showed up in
daylight, and then like tenminutes later, that one showed

(27:18):
up.
I said, Well, I said, I betterget to the other stand.
Anyway, so I went in.
I had to stay home with theyoung fella Friday.
So as soon as uh Catherine gothome from work, I jumped in the
truck, went to my stand, myother stand, got in the stand at
4:30, and it was quite windygoing in, but then it died right

(27:44):
off, and I ended up having asmall bear come right underneath
me, and she walked right pastthe bait, never looked sideways
at it, so I just left it, andthen I ended up coming back in
later that evening, and thenright at last light uh I heard a
deer coming in behind me, and Iknew it was dark, like I didn't
even bother picking the bow up,I knew I wouldn't get a shot,

(28:05):
and I looked behind me, and Ijust seen long tines walking
about 20 yards behind me, andI'm like, Well, I don't know
what deer it is, but it's one ofthe two target deer I got in
here, and I ended up sitting inthe stand for 45 minutes after
dark because I could just hearhim walking around, I didn't
want to bust him.
So I end up getting out, andthey both showed up on camera.

(28:30):
I'm like, well, it didn't busthim too bad.
So then Saturday I went in atlike two o'clock.
So I'm going in early.
Same thing, windy when I wentin, and then dead quiet at last
light, and it was quiet set,never had nothing coming in, and
then same thing right at lastlight.
That because on Friday that bearcame in the same way as that

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deer did in behind me, and thenit was about 20 after six.
I could hear walking behind me.
I figured it was that bearagain.
I was looking behind the warden.
No, I was looking behind thetree, and I could see I just
seen lags.
I'm like, wow, it's a deer, andthen I got a glimpse of an
antler.
I said, Well, maybe it's thatlittle basket 10 that's been

(29:14):
coming in, then I get a glimpseof the big antler.
I'm like, I can't tell which oneit is, but regardless, I'm
shooting it.
And then behind my stand I got ashooting lane for my rifle, but
I it would just be too and itwas dead quiet.
It'd be too much movement tograb the bow and then have to
stand up and then turn back todraw.
And I said, Well, if he's comingin, he's probably coming to the

(29:34):
bait.
So we crossed that shooting laneand he realized how big he
actually was.
And then he came in and there'sa bunch of alders just off the
bait, and he was standing inthere and he was coming out, and
it was he I'm sure he could hearmy heart bump pumping, it was so
quiet.
And then he he ended up turningaround to leave, so then I

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positioned myself to get a shoton that shooting lane when he
was leaving.
And then he ended up turningaround again, going to the bait.
And he kept inching ahead.
And the whole time I could seemy camera taking pictures, the
infrared lighting up.
And I'm like, come on, like,we're running out of daylight.
You gotta keep coming, keepcoming.
He just kept inching ahead andinching ahead.
There was a big birch treeblocking his vitals.

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And anyway, he kept he inched.

SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
And you're like, you know what?
These broadheads are pretty damngood.
I'm gonna chance it.
Yeah, not quite that.

SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Because that's the tree's big enough, like I don't
even I couldn't even put my armsaround it.

SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
And you got long arms too.

SPEAKER_02 (30:29):
I do.
And he kept inching ahead and hefinally inched up ahead enough
that his vitals were open.
So then I went to draw back andit was dead quiet.
As soon as I started to draw, helooked right up at me.
And I'm like, well, I'm at halfdraw, I gotta keep going.
Get full draw, got to my anchorpoint, and right when I was
ready to shoot, I had the pinright on him.

(30:50):
He kind of like leaned forward alittle bit to get a better look,
and he opened that frontshoulder up.
And when he did, I buried thepin in his front shoulder and
squeezed it off, and right awayI knew I hit him good.

SPEAKER_00 (31:03):
You felt more confident about that than the Oh
yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
And then that uh I heard the diaphragm pop.
And when he ran, I didn't thearrow didn't pass through, but
it went through him because thefletchings were like two inches
before his like they're almosttouching his hide.
So I'm like, the broad head wentall the way through him.
So anyway, I uh sat there for asecond, like five seconds later,

(31:27):
heard a big smash, and I'm like,guarantee that's him crashing.

SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
And your tree stand broke again.

SPEAKER_02 (31:32):
No, and I was wearing a harness in that stand.
Anyway, I called dad, I toldhim, I said, I I got the 12, I
said I know he's he's down, Iknow he is.
I said, I'm I'm gonna wait.
I want you guys to be with mewhen we go look for him.
Anyway, got out of the stand,curiosity got the best of me, so
I went down to the bait andblood instantly.

(31:53):
So I just laid the bow down, Iwalked out, called a couple of
the buddies, told them to hangtight because we're gonna need
help dragging them out becauseit's not a fun spot to get to.

SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
I was real sick that night too, but I knew you got it
because I was like well, I callyou called me.
Yep.
And we were talking, and thenI'm like, how do you feel about
this?
When you're like, I feel good.
Oh, I knew he was really good.
Yeah, because you're like Iheard him go down.

SPEAKER_02 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah.
And uh anyway, so dad, I onlywanted dad in in Denver in there
when we went to look.
So I waited for them and we wentin, and I'm colorblind, so I'm
terrible on blood trails.
And I told dad in Denver, Isaid, All right, this he ran
this way.

SPEAKER_00 (32:32):
Denver's your brother, for those wondering.

SPEAKER_02 (32:34):
And so Denver was following the blood trails.
Okay, I got blood here, bloodhere, blood here.
It wasn't a big blood trail, butI kind of figured that because
the arrow was still in him.
And so I was just standing likekind of off to him with a
flashlight looking and about 80yards.
Denver yellow is the IE, he'slike, I got him.
He's right here.

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And uh he uh piled up headfirstinto a tree.
That's what that crash was.
Anyway, then I called uh Icalled my girlfriend or I
FaceTimed her.

SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
I thought it was your fiance.
Oh, you called your girlfriendtoo.

SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
Oh yeah, I called her too.
Gonna call them both.
I guess fiance, yeah.
And anyway, I called her andshe's like, Yeah, uh Ryan and
Logan are sitting in the garage.
I'm like, Oh, I didn't know.
I called them and told them thatI shot one.
I said, We're probably gonnaneed help anyway.
So I got off the phone with herand I called Ryan.
I said, Yeah, I said, grab uhgrab my game sled.
I said, It's gonna be a drag outof here.

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So told them what road to godown.
And anyway, dad walked out andmet them and took the bid, and
we took her pictures andeverything, and then uh I like
to uh if I shoot something, Idon't like to drag it.
I said, Well, my job's done,have fun, boys.
So they hooked the ratchetstraps up to them and it's cold.
Anyway, they dragged them out.
We gutted them and had acelebratory cigar and beer and

(33:52):
finally got them home andweighed them up and threw them
in the cooler.

SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
Yeah, and and here he's in here.
The people be able to see it onthe podcast profile picture.
Real nice deer.
Uh, but every year, Lane, youput in your time.
How many hours do you figure youput in?
Just hunting season, not beforehunting season, just hunting
season.
A lot.
A lot.
More than a full-time job.
Yeah.
Because you take off yourfull-time job work.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
And normally take every year, now that my job now
I'm able to.
I took last year I took four anda half weeks off, and this year
I have five.

SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
Yep.
Yeah.
So you you you put in the time.
Anthony, you do the same thing?
No, not quite.
Yeah, yeah.
Wouldn't have a job to go backto if it did that.
But um, no, I mean you you putin your time, you definitely
earned earned that deer, Lane.
That's good.

SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
Which is weird because I only sat three times
this year.
Yeah, but before that you've Oh,I've put my fair share of seat
time in, and it kind of feelsweird now.
So I'm like getting home fromwork.
I'm like, now what do I do?
I know how a tree stand to gosit into.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
I know, because that's all you do, and you're
you're tagged out early.

SPEAKER_02 (34:55):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (34:56):
So I mean, gun season hasn't even started yet.
So that's good.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Day five, I was done.

SPEAKER_00 (35:02):
It's really good.
Um Anthony beat that story.

SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
Uh though, but uh that's Oh, and I want to add the
nine-pointer that I shot thesecond day.
Right.
He is alive and he's been oncamera every night.

SPEAKER_00 (35:16):
We saw a picture of him tonight.

SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
Yeah, he's on camera right now.
My phone's still going off.

SPEAKER_00 (35:21):
Um I told you to put an airplane.

SPEAKER_02 (35:22):
He's alive and very well.

SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
Yes.
So that the nine point is alive.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
So I'm hoping uh dad's been sitting for him, so
I'm hoping dad can connect withhim at some point.

SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
Obviously, your dad's not there tonight.
Uh no.
It's pouring right now.
Yep.
Made a sugar that fella, is he?

SPEAKER_02 (35:39):
And it's been dark for three hours.
And that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Um But no, it's good.
The deer, it's amazing how toughthey are.
But you know, I was sayingthough, when you hit him, I mean
modern broadheads are prettydeadly.

SPEAKER_02 (35:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
So yeah, it's amazing he survived.
But he did.
He's eating, he's back in.
That's good.
Anthony, your fur this is sothis is your first bow kill.
That's right.
So Lane, so for so what did yourLane is an official, sorry,
Anthony.
Uh so Lane is an official scorefor the New Brunswick Big Game
Club.
You're gonna get certified toscore for Boone and Crockett and

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Pope and Young.
It's a green score, obviously,for your deer because it's still
fresh, but uh I don't find itchanges that much unless you
have it hanging over your woodstove.

SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
Might change it a little bit, but not much.

SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
What did you get for a score?

SPEAKER_02 (36:24):
Uh he went 149 uh total gross score and uh 140 uh
net because the twelfth pointisn't a full inch, so
technically his scores is an 11point.

SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Nice.
So um you made it in the newBrunswick record books for Bo?

SPEAKER_02 (36:42):
Yeah, because it has to be uh 115 for Archery.

SPEAKER_00 (36:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (36:48):
And he might he might shrink enough that I might
not have made it for uh rifle,it's gonna be 145.
140.
And he was 140 and 68s, I think.
So he might shrink, he mightshrink enough to uh not make it
for rifle, but he's not gonnashrink enough.

(37:08):
He's definitely in in forarchery.
And that's all I was going foris I just planned on uh I had
some really big deer coming incamera, but after years and
years of trying and failing, Iwas dearly my goal was like 115
and and up.
That's all I was a mature deer,like I didn't want to shoot a

(37:29):
smaller one, but like threeyears old and up with my bow.
That's what now what's my goalwas, and I uh definitely
surpassed that because that'sprobably one of the biggest
steal out deer I'll ever shoot.

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
Well, and you're pretty young.
I think you got lots of time.

SPEAKER_02 (37:42):
Well, I hope I outdo them, but you're not even 30.

unknown (37:45):
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Um, you know, it's a really nice deer, it's a good
story.
Yep, and you know, you you keptgoing.
Because I know that night youfelt pretty damn when you
wounded that other one.
And that's normal.
That means he cares.

SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
And also another cool fact.

SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
It worked out you got a bigger deer, and the other
one's alive.

SPEAKER_02 (38:01):
I think the nine pointers bigger.

SPEAKER_00 (38:02):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (38:03):
Yeah.
After looking at them both.
Another cool fact is uh CoreyChase came over when he was
hanging in the cooler, and yougot to look at him.
He's like, You have to bringthose antlers over.
He's like, I'm almostguaranteed.
He said, That's a relation ofthe deer's brother shot last
year.
So I brought it over this week.
Mind you, Luke's deer's waseight years old, and I'm

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guessing he's only four or five.
But you put them side by sideand they're identical.
So my and they're only shot acouple kilometers apart.
Well, so uh we got to thinking.
I'm guessing Luke's deer is thefather of him.

SPEAKER_00 (38:40):
Yeah, very well could be.

SPEAKER_02 (38:42):
Because there's about there's about five years
age difference, four or fiveyears age difference between the
two of them, because his wasshot last year.
And yeah, two kilometers for adeer is nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
No.
Well, it's like the it's likethat nanny small tent.
You gotta be careful who youdate because you don't know
who's true.
How close everyone is reallyrelated, you know?
So you gotta you gotta watch ita bit.
Same thing with deer.

SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
When you're hunting, I don't think they care as much.

SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
But uh Well they do because a lot of bucks will uh
they'll leave the area they'reborn in to prevent inbreeding.
Inbreeding, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
Yep.
Weird looking bucks.

SPEAKER_02 (39:19):
So that's what I was telling Corey.
I said, well, if he was bornover where they got that big one
last year, is it two kilometersfor him to change home areas is
nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
No, no, that's nothing.

SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
And I've never had I've been hunting in that spot
for four or five years, and I'venever once had that guy on
camera, and he showed up oncamera for the first time
October 2nd.

SPEAKER_00 (39:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
And he was quite regular.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Yeah, it it's interesting.
I mean, you see two, you you seetwo when they when they GPS deer
and like how far some of themwill go, like miles and miles,
they'll go across rivers and andeverything.
Like the Miss There's been onenews document, I think it went
went across the MississippiRiver and stuff like that.
Like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
It was a handful of years ago.
Um Brody had a really big deerin uh in the velvet, and they
had a little bit during bowseason, and come to find out
that deer was shot 14 kilometersaway.
He was a very unique rack, so heknew for sure it was him.
And the way a crow flies, it wasright around 14 kilometers.

SPEAKER_00 (40:19):
That's a bit of a stroll.

SPEAKER_02 (40:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
Yeah, they move like big time.
Yeah.
Yep.
Um it's good.
Good story.
Can't wait for uh for nextyear's story.
You still gotta do your moosewhen you lane you had a good
moose season.
Yep.
Uh we'll get to that in otherpodcast.
Anthony, I want just as good ofa story, if not better.
No, uh so so it how how longhave you been bow hunting for, I

(40:43):
guess, and what got you into it?

SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
Uh so this is my first year bow hunting.

SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
First year?
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
First year.
Well, be your last then the wayit went.
Yeah, no.
Uh so yeah, I I got into bowhunting really, honestly.
Part of the reason I got intobow hunting is because the deer
that I did end up shooting, Ikind of watched it uh spring and
summer as it was growing andkind of hanging out in the
bachelor groups with some otherbucks.
So there's a few eight-pointershanging around and a
twelve-pointer with it in thesame area.

(41:11):
Anyways, I I figured that if Iwaited till gun season, what
somebody else would either shootit or they'd all break up from
their bachelor group.

SPEAKER_00 (41:18):
They're gonna break their their patterns.

SPEAKER_03 (41:20):
Yeah, and they'd be harder to kill.
So so I said, yeah, I reallywant to kill this deer.
So got into bow hunting thissummer, uh, started shooting a
lot.
And yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:28):
Oh, you just you just got into it this summer and
everything.
Really?
What do you Lane?
What are you are you shooting anelite?
Yep.
Yeah, you like envision.
Compound bow?
Yeah, if anyone listen, theseare compound bow hunters.
Uh Anthony, what are youshooting?

SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
Uh Diamond.

SPEAKER_00 (41:42):
Diamond.
Okay.
Yeah, nice.
You don't see those around asmuch, but I know they're a good
brand.

SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah.
I think they're made by BoTech.
Um it's like their entry-levelbrand more affordable, I guess.
Uh for cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 (41:56):
You can get them at like with the whole
ready-to-hunt kit, like with therest and everything.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
You got that ready to hunt?
Yeah.
Ready to kick ass, becausethat's what happened, right?
Um, so you you saw the deer, thebuck that you want to do in
that, so that you got into bowhunting just this summer and all
that because yeah, I mean, thatwas a big part of it.

SPEAKER_03 (42:16):
I I've always wanted the tri bow hunting.
Uh my father got into bowhunting within the last couple
years.
Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:23):
It's it I like it.
I mean, I got my bear with thisspring stuff.
It's um well, it I think itbrings us back to our more
primitive state and it's it'smore personal too, right?
It's it's just you're you'remore connected with the harvest,
you know, and I think as uh ashumans, that's we kind of go
back to our ancestry a littlebit, really.

(42:44):
I think when we I mean, I don'tthink they had like compound
wicked ass kick ass bows, but itstill, you know what I mean?
It's it brings us back to that.

SPEAKER_02 (42:52):
I like the challenge of it.

SPEAKER_00 (42:53):
Yeah, it's just neat.

SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
Get bringing a any animal, getting them in within
bow range is one thing, but uhfinally getting them in to get
the shot, and then you stillgotta come become full draw, and
then it's just it's a challenge,and it's a very addicting
challenge.

SPEAKER_00 (43:10):
I think though, like I said, yeah, the challenge and
the fact that like I say it justbrings us back to a more
primitive state.
I mean, that's how humanssurvive for a long time.
We killing with a bow and stufflike that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:19):
So and up close and personal is pretty nice.
Like I shot my bear at uh 16yards, and I shot that deer at
16 yards too.
Which is uh very close.

SPEAKER_00 (43:29):
Yeah.
Can't throw eyelashes.

SPEAKER_02 (43:32):
Well, I watched them for long enough, I probably
could.

SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Yeah.
Um, so uh Anthony, so you sawthat got into bow hunting just
this summer, which is awesome.
Yep.
Um, all right.
And then you did you shoot himin your food plot?

SPEAKER_03 (43:45):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
Okay, because you guys had a nice food plot this
year.
We saw when we were coonhunting.
Yeah, it's really nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:50):
Yeah.
No, it wasn't in the food plot.
This was uh kind of on the edgeuh in between a soybean field
and a cut that was a few yearsold.
Um so yeah, just I kind ofwatched them throughout the
summer, uh, put some cameras upand just kind of tried to pick
out their pattern and figure outwhere they were traveling.
Uh, and then I just set up kindof where I knew they would be.

(44:11):
Uh didn't mess with the thepattern too much, didn't want to
put out apples or you didn't putout any bait at all.
No, I was just you know, I wasworried about uh whether it's me
being naive or not, but I wasjust kind of worried about
messing with something thatworked.
I mean if it's what you didwork.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (44:26):
So well, if you're around a an old cat, like
there's new growth coming up forfeed for them, and if there's a
soy soybean feed, like they gotlots of food.

SPEAKER_03 (44:34):
Yeah, and and the whole apple thing.
I mean, I guess I talked to TomByers actually about it, but he
was one thing that he said, Imean, there's apples everywhere
this year.
So if a deer wants apples,they're gonna find them.

SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Yeah, um yeah.
So the soybean, because I Ithought about planting a bit of
that in a section near my foodplot.
Uh you find they hit that prettygood.

SPEAKER_03 (44:52):
Yeah, they do.
I mean, especially this year, itwas so dry, so there's not as
much feed in the woods.
Um, so they definitely I I wouldsay they hit them harder this
year than they ever have.
Yeah.
Um whether they're the bestthing for deer, I probably not.
Um they like them when they'regreen and then they like them
when they're hardened down, butthere definitely is a stage in
the middle where on the camerasyou know you don't see them very

(45:14):
much.

SPEAKER_02 (45:16):
What was the most activity when they were green or
after they turn?
Because I've always heard guyshave the best luck after the
first frost, and then they startto turn is when the deer really
pounded the soybeans.

SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, like like I said, allsummer they hit them, I think,
mostly because it was dry, butbut definitely after they dried
down, they they were hittingthem pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 (45:34):
But it's just a real select window with soybeans, is
it?

SPEAKER_03 (45:37):
It it's pretty big.
It's more like a select windowwhere they're not hitting it.
I mean, it's a short period oftime when they don't hit it, but
most of the most of the yearthey're easily.

SPEAKER_00 (45:45):
They are.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (45:46):
I thought about messing around with that.
Yeah, we in the middle whereit's doughy.

SPEAKER_00 (45:49):
Yeah.
Like the grain.

SPEAKER_02 (45:51):
As they're turning from green to turning over.

SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
Not around them much, but you know about them
because you planted them.
Yeah.
So yeah.
I d I I've never been arandomized.
It's just a it's a cash crop,right?
No one Yeah, that's all it'sfor.
So I haven't been around itmuch, but I've I've considered
planting it next year orsomething, just playing around
with it for the early season andstuff.
Yeah.
Uh so you sit up on the deertrail, so you did your homework,
you had using cameras and stuff,seeing Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:15):
So I using a cell cam so I could watch it, and I
you know, I set the camera upand then I didn't go in there
for for a month.
So um little solar panel set upand self-sufficient.
Yep.
Um yeah, so I set up and then uhso I put up a ladder stand um
kind of in the back corner ofthe field where I could watch
down in the woods and the cutbehind me, and then I could also

(46:37):
get kind of that back corner ofthe field.
Um yeah, put it put a littleclimbing stand up there and set
in it the first morning and thenthe second night and was
watching the deer, and they werejust I had I had an
eight-pointer that walked bythat I could have killed, you
know, it was probably twentyyards away.
Um I knew that there were acouple nicer deer, so I held but

(46:59):
held off.
But uh the thing that I foundwas that so the second night
that I hunted, um, I watched a12-pointer.
So there's two deer.
There was the one that I shot,uh, and then there was a
12-pointer that I was watchingas well, and and it was out in
the back corner of the field,kind of at a different spot that
was too far away to get in in uhlike with a bow.
I could have shot him with arifle all day long, but like you

(47:21):
said, the bow the bow is a wholedifferent ballgame.
But um, yeah, so I so the it wasFriday night, I guess I went out
and sat in underneath a tree, umaround the corner from where my
stand was so I could see theback corner of the field a
little bit better.
Just kind of built a little nestunder a big spruce tree.
Uh sat down in my chair, I wentin about quarter to five, and I

(47:43):
sat there, I made a pile ofnoise, cracking brush and and
putting sticks in the ground soI can hide under this big spruce
tree, and I thought there's noway that anything's gonna come
out here tonight.
And uh sure enough, half hourlater, this thing walks out.
I looked up and and here comesthis this deer.
Uh so he was uh it's aneight-pointer, so he's got five
on one side and then three onthe other side.

(48:04):
Uh it's quite wide, uh, but justwhether it was injury or or what
happened to him, but he uh heonly had that three on one side.
So yeah, he he walked out.
He was about a hundred yardsaway when he first came out.
So I just sat and watched him.
Like I said, I could have shothim with a gun a hundred times,
but but uh yeah, sat and watchedhim for probably a half hour,

(48:25):
and uh he kept feeding closerand closer and closer.
And uh He started at a hundred,just worked his way in.

SPEAKER_00 (48:32):
He's like, Well, I've been practicing at 30, so
I'm gonna have to aim a littlehigh.

SPEAKER_03 (48:36):
Yeah.
Yeah, a foot over the back.
Yeah.
No, so yeah, I I watched him fora half hour and it was tough.
You know, it takes a lot ofpatience, and every time, every
time something You strike me asa patient guy though, Anthony.

SPEAKER_00 (48:50):
Are you?
You see me.

SPEAKER_03 (48:51):
Uh yeah, I don't know.
I try to be, but yeah, yeah,calm and patient.
But yeah, and and another thingwas the wind was blowing pretty
hard and it was blowing right inmy face.

SPEAKER_00 (49:02):
Oh he was perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (49:04):
Yeah, he he was up when like he couldn't smell me
at all.
Yeah, that's perfect.
But all I could think about whenhe was working towards me was if
a doe walks out behind me, youknow, I'm screwed.
There it goes.

SPEAKER_00 (49:14):
Because you know she'll stand there and stomp and
go on for about half an hourjust to make sure everyone
knows.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:21):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
So no, he he kept working hisway closer and closer and
closer, and then when he gotclose enough, I I drew on him
and uh and shot him.
And I felt really good.
How how far so it was spokenabout 35 yards.

SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Okay, yeah.
That's it's pretty good with thewind blowing hard in your face
and all that.

SPEAKER_03 (49:41):
Yeah, so that was I I would have liked them to be a
little bit closer, but just theway that the wind was going, and
uh, you know, I was worriedabout him spooking and he kind
of started to act a little bitfunny.
You know, he you can tell thatsomething was up a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (49:54):
And the wind can make them if it's really windy
out too, it can make them justuh act a bit off.

SPEAKER_03 (50:00):
Yeah, you know, yeah.
Yeah, I mean to to watch uh abig buck for a half hour in a
field is is quite a while.
So you know he's only gonna beout there.

SPEAKER_00 (50:09):
No, I'd be like, if that was me, because I'm not as
patient, I'd be like climbingdown for the stage, like I think
I can sneak up on him.
No, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:15):
Yeah, well, funny story, I did try that actually
with that yeah, with the withthe 12 pointer I was telling you
about how uh how he was way toofar away.
And anyways, yeah, about tenminutes before it got dark, I
said, Oh, I I think I can do it.
Got down, took my boots off, youknow, tried to get real sneaky
with it, but they're uh they'rea smart animal.
He can't sneak up on deer.

SPEAKER_00 (50:36):
Just Indiana Jones roll right to him there.

SPEAKER_03 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah.
But no, uh yeah.
Anyway, so I I shot him, feltreally good about the shot, um,
you know, hit him behind theshoulder, heard the big thump,
and he took off sprinting, uhmade a loop of the the back of
the field, so kind of on theback corner of the field he went
run along the edge of the field,made a 90-degree turn, ran up
the the back of the field andthen into the cut behind it.

(51:02):
Um yeah, so I waited probablyabout forty-five minutes or so.
Um started to get a little bitimpatient, so I wanted to see
see what I had, so I went up andI found blood.
Not a lot of blood right away,actually, in the field.
Um as I worked my way towardsthe edge of the field where he
ran into the woods.

(51:23):
There was a little bit moreblood, and then found a couple
big puddles, and I got to theedge of the field and just
started into that cutfall in theblood, and I saw two deer jump.
One went to the right hand sideand one went to the left hand
side, and I didn't get a greatlook at them, but I was pretty
sure that one of them was thedeer that I had shot.
So then I started secondguessing, you know, I thought,

(51:43):
well, I must not have hit themas well as I thought I did.
Uh so I backed out of there,called my father.
Um, he came down.
We waited probably another hour,hour and a half, and went back
in to check again.
And by that time it was gettingclose to being dark.
Uh, so we just kind of looked tosee where the blood was, tried

(52:03):
to find a little bit more blood.
Wasn't a ton of blood, and wedidn't see anything, so we just
backed out and said I'd betterwait till morning because I
wasn't sure if it was a gut shotor or what, you know, not seeing
the deer jump like that.
I guess I didn't know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
With the bow shot.
Any any shot, a rifle if you'renot feeling good about it, but
uh best especially bows is justjust leave them, just wait till
the next day.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:27):
Yeah.
So I didn't want to jump them.
I thought I had jumped them fromhis first bed where he laid
down, so I didn't want to jumpthem from his second bed.
So yeah, came back the nextmorning, went in, picked up
where we left off on the bloodtrail, and the blood trail
pretty well went dry right afterhe went into the woods.
So a couple big puddles of darkblood, so I thought maybe

(52:48):
thinking the liver shot.
Um so we started grid searchingbecause we couldn't find any
more blood.
So we grid searched for probablyabout an hour.
Um, so I told you when I sawthose two deer jump off, one
that went to the left, one wentto the right.
I was I was sure that the onethat I had shot at had gone to
the right.
So I said, well, we might aswell start on the right hand

(53:10):
side, go in.
So we looked for about an hour.
There was myself, my father, andmy cousin came and my sister
helped as well.
Really?
Your sister helped.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
She and my sister tell me go pound sand if I have
to do something like that.

SPEAKER_03 (53:23):
No.
That's good.
Yeah, so we we looked, couldn'tfind anything.
And uh by that time, you know, Iwas starting to get pretty,
pretty discouraged because Ithought, well, I must must have
hit him bad, and he's gonna goin the woods somewhere and die,
or or I'll see him on cameraagain or something.
So, anyways, we went and decidedto start looking to the left,
and we went probably I would sayabout 40 yards from where the

(53:46):
blood trail ended, and uh therehe was laying on the ground.
So we're able to find him.
Yep.
And yeah, when we found him, hehad been uh the coyotes had
actually gotten into him justfrom being out there overnight.

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
Um yeah, it was probably I know what you're
doing this winter.
I'll come out with coyotehunting.
Yeah, do some coyote hunting forum but yeah, yeah, so but I'm
glad he said that becauseremember when we were when I was
asking about coming on thepodcast and we were coon hunting
on the weekend there, yeah, andthen he told me about that,
you're like, I don't know aboutthat, but uh no, that that's
good to say.
I mean that that's part of it.
That is part of it.
And you guys waiting till thenext morning to look for him.

(54:25):
Perfect decision.
Honestly, perfect decision.
And uh the coyote thing, I meanthat's yeah, unfortunately,
that's just part of it.

SPEAKER_02 (54:31):
I know a guy a couple years ago, he shot a deer
with his bow, waited, backedout, gave him like two hours,
and within the two hours thecoyotes get into it.

SPEAKER_00 (54:40):
Oh, they they're bad around here.
I mean people no one I'll I'mnot that I try and I get a few
calling them, but they're hardto hunt, and no one around here
I find is really good at it.
And everyone here is just anopportunist.
If they see them while they'reout hunting, they'll shoot 'em,
which is good, but no one reallytargets them.
And uh and no one really trapsanymore either, because thanks

(55:02):
to PETA, fur prices are dead.
Well, when Canada Goose jacketswere buying coyote pelts, the f
the fur prices were way up, soeveryone was killing coyotes,
right?
And it's awesome.
And then PETA, you know, gotthat taken down, the price
dropped, and no one seems to betargeting them, but they they
need to be managed.
But what you guys did, I mean,no, that's that's perfect,

(55:23):
really.
Just a lot of coyotes ran,unfortunately.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:27):
Yeah, so they got in and they tore the back end up
pretty good.
Yeah.
And then they got in throughwhere my arrow went, and
actually they opened a hole upthere in the side and and chewed
the ribs down pretty good.
And uh and went and pulled theguts apart as well.
So the all the the inside of theguts were all inside the deer
and everything.
So yeah.

(55:50):
And like I said, I didn't reallywant to tell too many people
about it, but like you said,people in over thirty countries
right now.

SPEAKER_00 (55:58):
No, but uh but it's yeah, something that happens, I
guess, with the hunting and I'mglad you said that because
there's there are gonna bepeople listening from this from
all over the world, NorthAmerica hunting white-tailed
deer this year and other yearsthat have lit that have dealt
with that, right?
I mean it's part of it.
It's good that you're good foryou for saying you speaking up,
you know.
Coyote coyote's freaking wreckwreck deer kills, you know.

(56:21):
So um it it it is discouraging,but yeah, you guys, I don't
think you didn't do anythingwrong.
Right?
You waited because you weren'tsure on the shot and the coyotes
just kind of beat you to itbecause they didn't take the
night off.

SPEAKER_03 (56:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, and the the unfortunatepart about it is now that I
found the deer and I think aboutit more, I think that the two
deer that I saw run in the woodswhen I got up to the edge of the
field, I don't think either oneof them was the buck that I
killed.
Because he was 40 yards awayfrom where I saw him running,
and uh he died on the run, likehis nose was down in the dirt,

(56:53):
just kind of out in the open.
So yeah, I think they were twodifferent bucks, and like I
said, I just didn't get a greatlook at the the head on them, so
I wasn't sure what deer theywere.

SPEAKER_00 (57:02):
So you're in a good area, is what you're also
telling us.
Um no, but no, it's good.
It may be your first bow seasonand the fact that you took it
all board the summer and thatyou got a nice buck and
everything.
Like, no, it's that's good.
That's really good.
Yeah.
And the with the coyote thing,yeah, no, it's tired of it.
People deal with that.
You know, Lane didn't even knowwhat the hell happened to his
deer.
I don't know.

(57:22):
And then turns out he's aliveand as well as it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 (57:30):
Because I mean, I wasn't near as excited when I
shot the 12 as I was when I shotthe nine, because part of me
kind of felt like guilty forshooting the 12.
I'm like, do I deserve to shootthis deer after potentially
wounding and killing that nine?
Like, I didn't have answers.

SPEAKER_00 (57:46):
I know you're gonna be like, I'm I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
Oh, I wanted to be done, then everyone's like, oh
no, like, you know, that's apart of hunting, unfortunately,
it happens, and then once heshowed back up on camera, I'm
like, oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 (57:58):
Like it would be a relief.

SPEAKER_02 (58:00):
Oh, I was laying in bed and I just heard the camera
go off, and as soon as I checkedit, I'm like, oh thank god.
Like he finally showed back up,like he's clearly alive and
well, like it definitely made mefeel ten times better.

SPEAKER_00 (58:13):
Yeah.
You leave your you leave yourcell cam notifications on
overnight?

SPEAKER_02 (58:19):
No.
Uh depends if it's a busy night.

SPEAKER_00 (58:21):
I sometimes I I so I did during bear season.
So I left it off because like Iwas having some big bears come
in and all that.
So uh now at night I put myphone in airplane mode.
Yeah, and if someone needs toget a hold of me, they can wait
till I get up.
Uh hopefully it's not anemergency.
Um, but uh yeah, before thoughin bear season, I'd just leave
it on so I get it, so like myphone would buzz and it'd be

(58:42):
like whatever time, one o'clockin the morning, I'd be like, so
cam.
And I get it, and then I hear mywife, she'd be like, Ken, turn
your fucking phone off.

SPEAKER_02 (58:51):
Oh, I've gotten out like two or three in the
morning.
I'm like, oh well, I might aswell check my camera and I'll
scroll through and then go backto bed.

SPEAKER_00 (59:00):
I know I should hold my excitement and like woo-hoo!
In the middle of the night, butum but uh with the deer with
deer season I I've put onairplane mode, you know, doing
that.
But just because uh the deer Idon't know, it's they've been
it's been uh a weird year.

(59:21):
I we get a cold spell, I've gotbucks galore, it warms up a bit.
Can't get a buck on cam to savemy life, whereas bear season
with a cell cam, uh it was itwas steady.
And I'd have some I don't know,the bear pictures were pretty
cool with them coming in and allthat.

SPEAKER_02 (59:35):
Yeah, my camera's been pretty steady, but and
that's a main thing why I'vebeen focusing on finding big
deer in the summer, because I'vehad in the last two or three
years where I've been reallyfocusing on bow season, that's
when I've had my bigger deer oncamera in the most encounters is
during bow season before theyswitch to their fall range, and

(59:57):
I've had people like, Oh, whyare you looking for deer in the
summer?
They're all gonna leave.
I'm like, yeah, but only one hasto stay.
And the last yeah two or threeyears, like I've had a lot of
big deer daylight during bowseason.
Yep.
So that's why I've been focusinga lot of my time on honing in on
the big finding big deer in thesummer, and then hopefully they
they stick around.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:17):
Yep.
Anthony, you got plans from whatare you gonna do the rest of the
season now?
You're a waterfowl guy a bit andstuff, right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:24):
Yeah.
Yes, we hunt ducks and geesequite a bit.
And uh yeah, so I also have uh acouple nuisance permits.
Oh, do you yeah, yeah?
Yeah, for uh for deer, becausein our zone here we have so many
deer and they do a ton of damageto to crops.
And I know certain people maybelisten to the podcasts in
different areas that say that'sthat's crazy, but it really is

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an issue.
Where I mean I guess where youguys are at.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:49):
I know where I'm at.
What?
Oh, you gotta go to work?
I'm just gonna call in to work.
Really?
Here, one second, just gonnapause it.
Okay.
Uh alright, so breaking news.
Lane just called it got calledinto work to do something for
once.
Uh it's flooding in the city.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:11):
Yep.
My guess is uh the leaves falland they're covering the
manholes.
The manholes and they'reflooding over.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:18):
No, they're unmanned holes.
Yep.
Um all right, Lane.
Well, good luck.
Don't freaking drown.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:24):
I mean the water's not that deep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:26):
Famous last words.
That's true.
Famous last words.
Um, okay.
Thanks for coming out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:31):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:32):
So yeah.
Yes, with the nuisance tags.
So, I mean, yeah, we we've got alot of deer here.
I find that in my area though,this year, the deer numbers are
down.
But apparently we've had a bitof a poaching problem.
Okay.
Um that's gotten a bit worse.
So I do find the deer numbersdown, but in your area the deers
are the deer is up, and you area cash crop farmer.

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You grew soybeans, corn, and allthat.
So the deer they do if there's alot of deer, it does hurt admit.
Uh, but we were talking, so youguys get nuisance tags.
The nuisance I didn't this isnew to me.
It's a little bit of a hottopic, you said.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:04):
Well, yeah, I don't I don't know.
Like how hot a topic is, but um,you know, I guess I've heard
some people say that, you know,oh, we shouldn't be killing
deer.
Um, because in certain parts ofthe province here, um, like up
north, say they they don't havea lot of deer.
And uh so yeah, I guess I'veheard some people say that it
shouldn't be a thing, but Ithink the science and the

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research shows that there is aneed to to decrease our deer
population in certain parts ofthe province.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:34):
Yeah, they're not just tanning out nuisance tags
all willy-nilly.
No.
They're you've got what you'vegot someone from the agriculture
department come in.
Yep.
That'd be Tom Byers.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:42):
Yes, yes, and then will come out and assess assess
damage.
And DNR.
Yeah, right?
Yep.
And then it goes through DNR.
So so you deal with theDepartment of Agriculture and
then they send it off to DNR,and then it comes back through
the department to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:56):
That's DNR's Department of Natural Resources.
Sorry.
Yep.
Yeah.
Um, so uh yeah, so they're notjust handing them out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:02):
No, and and this you actually we talked about Rod
Cumberland about uh through withthe timber sports stuff, but he
was uh one of the guys thatstarted this.
Well, if not, I think he maybewas the guy that started this
program in New Brunswick becausethrough their research, um
that's what he did.
He was a deer biologist, andthrough the research they found
like they proved that there wasa need to to adjust the

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population, I guess, in incertain parts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:27):
Yeah, but yeah, in certain parts it is it is
needed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Yeah, so there there is science behind it.
It's not just, you know, here'sa few extra tags, go out and
shoot some deer.
But um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:37):
But and too, I mean, like anyone knows, well, most
people should know that anyanimal population that gets a
little too high for itsbritches, big for its britches
in a certain area, that's whenyou get disease.
Yeah.
You know, that's when you'regonna have disease breakout.
So I find that, yeah, it we'vedone a good job of keeping that
down and keep doing that sort ofthing.

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Except for the coyotes, they getmanged or something, you know,
or powerful, like get them outof here.
But I do hate coyotes.
But um, yeah, no, it thenuisance thing.
It it there's research behindit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, I have some somenuisance permits that uh for
myself and then for some otherpeople as well, so I can can
shoot another doe antlerlessdeer with my my nuisance permit.
So I'm gonna try to do that withmy bow again.
Are you as well?
So it it'll be in rifle seasonprobably when I when I go to try
and take one, but but yeah,definitely gonna use my bow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:31):
Yeah, no, that's good.
Um, yeah, Anthony, I appreciateyou coming to the podcast and uh
and telling what it's reallylike.
You know, deer hunting, it's notalways perfect.
No, it was perfect, but it'sgood.
You got a nice buck at the endof the day, and uh I you know
sounds like you did make theright shot and stuff.
And yeah, it's good.
It showed patience too, which isbig.
So good.
So uh thanks for coming on.

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We'll be doing some more coonhunting real soon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:54):
Yeah, thanks for having me.