August 19, 2025 • 47 mins
The countdown to moose season has us all on the edge of our seats as we gather around the virtual campfire for an in-depth conversation about hunting strategies, expectations, and the passionate world of archery competition.
This episode brings together hunters with vastly different experience levels – from Dalton, who's preparing for his very first moose hunt after surprisingly drawing a tag in his first application year, to seasoned veterans who've been pursuing these magnificent creatures for decades. We dive into the realities of New Brunswick's lottery tag system, where approximately 5,500 tags are distributed among 60,000 hopeful applicants annually, creating both incredible opportunities and sometimes lengthy waits between hunts.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as we explore moose behavior during the rut, which conveniently aligns with our late September season. Our guests share stories of bulls that come crashing through the brush with reckless abandon and others that silently materialize like ghosts, despite their massive size. We discuss crucial hunting strategies from wind direction and calling techniques to the agonizing decision of whether to take a shot at a smaller bull early in the season or hold out for something more impressive.
Darren takes us deep into the world of competitive archery, explaining everything from tournament formats and scoring systems to equipment setups and the remarkable skill of distance estimation. His insights reveal how these competitions sharpen hunting abilities while building community among passionate bow enthusiasts across North America.
Whether you're a veteran hunter counting down the days until your next opportunity or someone dreaming of your first moose encounter, this episode offers valuable wisdom, practical advice, and the unmistakable camaraderie that makes hunting one of the most rewarding outdoor pursuits. Join us as we prepare for another exciting season in the Canadian wilderness!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
this is hunts on outfitting podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken meyer.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
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Welcome to the podcast.
Hey, thanks for listening in tothis week's podcast.
You are valued by myself andthis podcast for listening.
(00:35):
We appreciate it.
Shout out to all you guys.
So on this podcast here we'vegot, as you can tell from the
cover title, podcast profilepicture.
We are talking about mooseagain.
We don't normally go back toback on this podcast of the same
species, but you know we've gotmoose season creeping up around
here for us and we are excitedabout it.
But we are also going to have atalk and get some insight into
(00:59):
the world of competitive archeryshooting.
We've got Darren on to talk tous about that.
It's kind of pretty interesting.
I learned quite a bit.
You guys probably will too.
Also, this podcast here I meanmore, look at it.
We've got Dalton who's onthat's going on its first ever
Moose Hunt.
We're excited for him and we'rekind of looking at it more like
this.
(01:19):
This is a bit more of like acampfire chat for you guys to
listen in on on.
You know new season and what'sgoing on and just getting
prepared for it and everything.
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Love the gun and browning madean x bolt too.
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Ken Meyer, all right, let'stalk to the boys.
Guys, I'm fired up to have youhere.
I'm not just fired up, I'm fedup with having to wait for how
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much longer it's going to betill moose season.
But moose season is rightaround the corner and I've got a
few guys here that I'm lookingat and as I look around the room
today, I see a lot of fuckingugly people.
No, I see people that haveexperience, uh, on past moose
hunts and, uh, someone that'sgoing to experience their first
moose hunt and I'm excited totalk about that.
But before we get going forthose of you who have heard the
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podcast before and heard us talkabout this already know my
apologies, but how the the mooselicensing works here in new
brunswick, canada.
So you have to put in for yourtag.
It's a lottery system.
Uh, there's usually what about55,000, 60,000 people that apply
.
They give out about 5,000,5,500 tags give or take.
(04:13):
Your odds are supposed to go upthe more you put in and don't
get it.
But there's people that havegotten it twice in four or five
years and there's people thathave gotten it once in 18.
So I think the system's flawed,to say the least, in four or
five years, and there's peoplethat have gotten it once in 18.
So I think the system's flawed,to say the least, but it is
what it is.
So there's different wildlifemanagement zones to put in for
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and you put in for that zone andhope to get drawn.
Some zones have higher numbersof moose than others, more tags
allocated, and that's the way itworks.
So, lane, you did not get drawnthis year, but you were tagging
along on a moose hunt, butyou've been on more than one
moose hunt, uh, before.
Yeah, your family group.
(04:55):
Usually somebody gets it withinyour family group aunts, uncles
, cousins, brother, somebodyit's not your brother, but
someone's brother.
So tell us about the hunt thatyou're going on this year.
Curious about that.
I always like to do a littlebefore and then we're going to
have a talk after.
But where are you guys going?
(05:15):
Gps coordinates.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
This year we're going up north for the first time.
We're going in zone four.
It's a whole new ball game forus.
I have no idea what we'regetting ourselves into.
I've only ever hunted mooselocally around home and two
zones around home.
But now my buddy's dad got histag and I told them to apply up
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there with us.
Then I got the call that nightthat his dad got it.
He said I hope you're not goingwith anyone else because we
don't know where we're going.
Joke's on them, do I?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
yeah, it's like I I'm not and I also am clueless in
the area, but uh, and how wehunt moose around here too, it's
different other places mainlyswamps and choppings for the
most part.
You see some other placesthey're hunting in farmer's
fields and all that.
I don't really know ifanybody's shot one in a farmer's
field around here, unless thefarmer's farming trees that he's
(06:06):
recently cut, which would be achopping, so that's where you'd
see them.
So you guys are going up there.
You're excited how many tags inthat group there was more than
one tag wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We got three in our group total.
I don't know the Tags.
A buddy of mine lives up thereand we're going with him, and
then two other, but his buddy'sgot the tags Okay, so we're all
camping together, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And the moose season here is three days, either sex,
it's five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sorry, it was three days?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, all right, I'm getting to.
It was three days, now it'sfive, they've changed it.
What probably 10 years ago now,give or take?
Yeah, probably.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I'd say less, less.
Yeah, I don't know what year.
To tell you the truth, it usedto be three, now it's five.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's either sex.
I mean you can shoot a calf ifyou're comfortable with that,
really, and people do.
So that's what it is here.
I know other places, states andprovinces.
It's longer, but it can be alittle split up.
It can be, you know, just cows,just bulls, stuff like that.
So that's how it works here.
Dalton, you've not been on amoose hunt, have you?
No, do you know what a mooselooks like?
(07:11):
Yes, I see them online Okay yeah, yeah, can you imagine you're
out like someone in your huntingparty sees one like that's a
moose, like that's a mo, at themall morning I thought that was
an elk.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, so I've definitely been around the woods
a lot.
I mean I hunt plenty of otherstuff and I worked in the woods
for several years, so I mean Ihad a pretty good idea of what a
moose looks like You're feelingfamiliar with their anatomy.
He had one in his cow pasture.
A couple years ago I had one inmy cow pasture tore my electric
fence down.
Yeah did that electric fencedown.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Uh yeah, did that, almost killed me with a fence
post.
Uh yeah, stuff like that.
I know what.
I saw moose tracks from mycattle fence this spring and my
stomach just sank.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I'm like, oh shit, yeah, they just they go, oh they
just run right through thefence and pull it with them yeah
, it's awful yeah, so I I hadapplied years ago like, and I
hadn't applied in a couple yearsit's a lot to commit to it is
exactly.
And one of my, one of mybuddies there messaged me and
he's like put in for zone six.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm like, okay, sure, right, jokingly and I did it
from you is what?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
four and a half hours yeah, it's, it's a solid four
hours away, um, so I put in andmonday morning and moose uh,
after the draw.
So the drive was sunday night.
So, long story short, I'msitting in the front seat of a
fire truck and we're sittingthere waiting and I pull the
phone, you're on the fire.
I'm like I'm like, yeah, likeyou know, maybe I'll just go
(08:39):
look and see my red right andyou know, just get that out of
the way.
I didn't stay up I've got time.
We're just out of fire no, no,it was nothing important, so
anyway I'm uh it was this girl'shouse that doesn't pay her
taxes for the fire departmentthat's right.
So anyway, sitting there andI'm like no fucking way, it's
green, I guess we're going move,son, and you hadn't applied in
(08:59):
a while.
No, like I was only I wastechnically my first year right
for applying, because it wouldbe like it would reset my
ballots to one I believe.
Not anymore.
No, no, so I would still keepthem.
Yeah, okay, so I had someballots in there, but still I
never Would have been under five, though, right.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't know this system's kind of wacky Right
around.
Yeah, so under five years, said.
It's about four and a halfhours from here.
It's unfamiliar territory andland.
You guys are hunting on a largetrack of paper mill company
(09:41):
land, is it?
Yeah, you could say it'sprivate crown private sort of
private crown yeah, it's gatedyou guys, to get the gated spots
you have to pay extra to get in, yeah, gated.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So we booked our.
We booked a campsite on saidpiece of ground.
From a map online and got someinformation from some locals
that had been around the areaand we went up last weekend and
had a good look around and threwa few cameras out and just had
a good look around and I mean itlooks good from what we saw
(10:16):
right out of the truck.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean it's so hot.
We've been going through a heatwave here.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, you're not going to be seeing much up and
around for sure, but I mean I'venever seen so much moose on in
my life, so I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We'll give you a shout out.
Brad Traer, up from uhCampbellton area, he uh he's
come down hunting and stuff hereand um.
He was able to give you somegood information about the area.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, he was by far the best help I've had, really,
um, he talked on the phone forme with me for 20 25 minutes
after a night shift one morning,yeah, and told me everything he
could, so that was prettyhelpful yeah, because he knows
the area because they don't have.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
A shout out to brad yeah, um, and then, speaking
about brad, so you've enlistedthe help of another one.
Yes, uh, lane Lane's father,brad, who couldn't be here with
us tonight.
He, you chose him as yoursecond gun.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, so I chose.
I wanted somebody with somegood experience.
That would kind of, I guess, beNot be afraid to take a little
leadership too, and I trust hisjudgment, you're bashful.
So pretty excited.
I think Brad's going to be agood asset.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Brad's a great asset.
How many hunts has your dadbeen on laying for moose?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He's had his tag three times.
But he's been on I don't know,probably five or six total.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, because the way it works here in New Brunswick
too, you have the initial personthat was lucky enough to get
their moose tag and then youhave the second gun.
You pay a fee to be the secondgun and that person is allowed
to carry the gun.
They've got to be withinshouting distance and stuff,
yeah, um of the actual the tagholder and they're there with
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with a gun as well and to helpon the uh, on the hunt.
So brad, yeah, so brad's yeah,he's organized and he's been on
some moose hunts and he's a he'dbe a good asset definitely to
bring along.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, so you guys were happy with the train that
you saw and everything yeah,yeah, I mean we, these are spots
that we had picked it on thatweeks prior and we we get out of
the truck and took five stepsand there's tracks yeah like
okay, these are fresh so I meanyeah can't, can't really
complain.
So far good, but we know solittle, right, I mean we're,
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we're just going off a whim,basically here.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But so the plan is what you guys going to be
calling.
Who are you designating as thecaller?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I believe denver and brad, I don't know of what.
Denver?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
being lane's brother I would recommend just dad oh
okay, shots fired at Lane'sbrother's calling abilities.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well, we'll figure that one out, you guys should
have competition beforehand.
Yeah, we're going to me and Patare actually going to judge him
the night before at thecampsite.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The moose calling.
Great, because Pat is the guythat suggested for you to.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, thanks, Pat Now we're here.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Shout out to Pat.
Yeah, thanks, pat.
Now we're here.
Straight up Pat.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Because then his work got involved and he's going to
be in and out, eh.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, I don't know what exactly is going to go on
there.
He's hopeful to be there forthe whole week, but he might not
be.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, I was talking to him last night.
He said he was fully committedto the week.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Of work.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
No, he said, you don't know when you're going to
lose hunt sucker man.
I said you don't know whenyou're going to get another tag
to go.
He said there's all kinds oftime to work.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, that's the idea .
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Hard to argue with that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yep, yeah.
Which brings us to our nextperson, darren.
You uh, this first time comingon the podcast.
Uh, you're going moose huntingthis year and you've been moose
hunting in the past.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yes, well, yep, yeah, I've been very fortunate.
I uh.
I got my license after sevenyears of applying.
I'm north as well, in zone 11seven years of applying.
Yeah, yeah because, well, myzone at home is, uh, very low
odds, very low numbers of moose.
So then, kind of the samesituation, I met a guy and he
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told me to apply up there, andthen I did, and I got it my
first year applying up there,and then that was 2018.
And I didn't go up in 2019.
And then I've been veryfortunate, to go up every year
since.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh, really Just tagging along.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, and second gun and whatnot, like you were
saying earlier about fairness.
Fairness, I suppose, and Iwon't mention his name, just for
hate mail, but he got hislicense three years in a row
yeah, I know our system isflawed.
So alberta has a system similarto us, but with less flaws
right, because I think if yougot your tag, you had to wait
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three or five years before youcould apply again.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, and I couldn't roll the instant notes of al
Alberta's one, but I've heard itbefore and like it's set up
that yeah, you don't have towait as long.
It's more fair.
You would definitely get yourlicense sooner and stuff yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So, yeah, I got lucky and I went second gun with him
for three years and then I had acouple other buddies last two
years that got it as well, andthen again this year.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
All successful hunts.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The first year I went up in 2020 with my buddy he had
decided and we had had aconversation about a smasher or
you know, going home hungry andwe went home hungry.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay, and we seen probably a 12, 14 pointer on the
second morning, Walked, youknow, came to the call, walked
down the road to 25 yards andthen just I got the no from him
and it was a call.
Whatever we made this decisionand let's do it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm going against it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, because my, I mean, you won't say that it's
disappointing in any way, butmine.
We were basically in betweenhunting areas when I got my
moose, okay, and a cow came out,or a calf came out.
Cow came out and the bullfollowed, oh yeah, and then it
was just a matter of Correct thefamily, that was it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I know that's the thing.
The year my uncle got hislicense and I went a second gun.
We were fortunate enough to geta really nice big bull, but we
made a great anything.
I mean, it's only five days theodds.
Get your license.
We're like anything that's nota calf.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Especially in that zone too, that was a tough zone.
It's a hard spot to get onedown.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This huge ass slobbering bull comes running
out.
We're like, well, we said, aslong as it's not a calf, and
that's certainly not a calf,yeah, there's no way either.
You two talk that slow.
No way, no, no, so we um, yeah,I remember on that one, yeah, I
could hear coming out for himand I was like, sounds like a
four-wheeler's going through thewoods without an engine.
(16:37):
He's like because we werecalling.
He's like, yeah, that's thebull, like all right.
And then, yeah, this thing cameout.
He's like we hit him and thenhe was running.
Remember, I shot and it's justshit luck shot.
We hit him twice.
And then he's running again andI shot again.
It just just happened to hithim behind the ear right, and
then it looked like he went down.
And then we're like, oh shit,like shaking and all that, and
then going down over to him andthen we hear this thing take off
(17:00):
like shit.
We never got him.
He took off like no.
So then we're like lookingaround more and then lo and
behold, there he is dead.
We're like, so there's two thatcame out and I never got a look
at what the other one was, soit's like I don't know.
And then that's when we calledyou lane and your dad came out
and, uh, we were like we were afew hours getting him out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That was a long old drag well, it's just so wet
that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
People doing this is uh, you've got to be prepared.
Yeah, like it's.
Uh, you know you're huntingswamps and stuff and choppings
and it's, it's rough going here.
Everyone like burning the beltsoff their bikes and shit like
that and just do what you can toget them out.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We had a lot of rope and four bikes and we struggled
to pull that thing out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
He would have been what?
200 yards off the road.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, and I was saying, if he went 50 yards
further, I bet you that wouldhave added an hour.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah 200 would feel like a kilometer.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh yeah, it was so wet too.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was an old, grown-up haircut and his antlers
were getting stuck up stumps,and it was not a fun.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, because your dad had the.
We ended up getting the ropetied to the top of the side by
the side and he's going alongand we're finally making some
headway.
And then he just wheelies itand he's like it must be stuck
on a stump.
We're like no, no, there's nostump, just back up and give her
.
And he did and he's there's astump.
No wonder he didn't come today.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ken wasn't much help dragging out.
He tried to video it.
We had to keep yelling at him,like Ken.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I was trying to video .
It's hot out.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We need this moose out.
Put the camera away and help.
It was getting hot.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It was a crisp cool morning but I mean moose season
here always falls on uhhurricane, normally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So I got a question for all you guys, starting with
Ken.
Oh okay, your first moose hunt.
What was different than youthought it was going to be, or
what did you learn?
I guess would be.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was always told that when you're calling and
stuff, the moose will just comesmashing out, slobbering and
going, Because I mean, we'reused to hunting white-tailed
deer, right, and I was like theydon't come in like that.
They freaking do.
That was what surprised me.
I was like they really do comeout like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Don't always.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No but, I've heard that.
I was like he did that thingcame out like smashing down.
He's slobbering and going.
I was like holy shit, it works.
I was like you get back on inthere.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Do you not believe, canada, the?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
rough or what?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I couldn't believe it .
So that's what threw me off themost.
I'm like, wow, a lot ofattitude coming out of there.
So you come out here and youthink about how you came out the
last time.
What are you doing?
Shoot him?
No, but yeah, that's what threwme off.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I guess Sounds good, seems like they can be.
I don't know, people kind ofconsider them oh it's just a
moose, oh, you can bring it out,just a moose.
But then you know, you getfooled a few times and then it's
swell.
Maybe it's not just a moose,you know, if they're in the
right mood, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're saying, as in, they're moody, or you're saying
they're smart.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I guess, smart.
In a sense, I think they can bedumb or smart, depending on how
rutted up they are and how youknow if they in the mood or not?
But that's not the attitude togo in with.
Don't go in there.
Oh, it's just a dumb moose,It'll be no problem, We'll just
call one out and it'll step outhere.
I am, see you later Type ofthing.
Take it a little more seriousthan what some people might.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Lane, give us all your knowledge.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was surprised.
Actually kind of opposite ofKen is actually how quiet they
can be.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I was going to say they can be, they can be we had
one the year my cousin had histag.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We were calling and we heard like the suction of him
taking his foot out of the muskegg and we turned around behind
us and there was a moosestanding 50 yards behind us.
We're like how did he get thatclose before we even heard him?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, that's the thing they do call them the
ghosts of the woods because,like I said, how they came out
like that.
Yeah, they can, but other timesyou hear just how quiet.
But you always wonder too whenyou see a great big rack on them
and then they'll go flyingthrough the woods.
You're like, how do they dothat?
And not clothesline themselvesclothesline.
Yeah, I don't know how theydon't just hook it up on a tree
and break their neck.
That's what I'll just be like.
Well, I'm gonna chase him,because there's no way, with
(21:09):
that set of antlers, he can't.
He can get that far ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But yeah, he's like he's gonna hang himself.
They're all so strong like oh,unbelievably strong.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
So that's a good question, don't?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
quite.
I have another question.
I'm not done yet.
So as far as moose hunting goeswind like scent, they will
circle around.
They will circle around.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Probably the same thing, depending on their mood.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And they will wind you.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, we've been winded multiple times.
So scent control is a must wehaven't heard them until they
winded us and then all of asudden you get almost like a
bark from them and then they'regone.
So taco.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Tuesday at the camp.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
This new season, skip it okay, I'll let brad know,
yeah hey, guys want some zestyonions and that hell.
No, we don't brad hell no, sothey're, but they're not.
The difference would be they'renot really as much sneaking
around as like a bear would beor something like that, like you
might catch them going aroundyou.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Kind of thing.
If you were set up right withthe wind, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What are we using for weapons?
Boys?
Dalton, I know you're weird andyou shoot left.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You just got a new gun.
What'd you get?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
A .270 short mag.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Weather B.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
No.
My .30-06 Weather B.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh, okay, yeah, what brand did you go with?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Tika.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, my firstleft-handed rifle, so pretty
excited with that.
Yeah, it's actually made for me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's right.
So that's what you're using?
Yeah, that's good.
It's a good brand.
Lane, what are you hammeringstuff at?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'm not sure what a gun is.
No, I'm not sure what a gun isno, I'm not a tag holder or
second gun, so I'm going with noweapon.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But just your weapon of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
My buddy's dad got a slingshot he was taking a 30 out
of 6 and my buddy's taking hisbow and his dad is really
pushing towards for my buddyConnor to shoot one with his bow
that'd be cool, yeah, there formy buddy Connor to shoot one
with his bow.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
That'd be cool.
Yeah, there's not many moosetaken every year in New
Brunswick with a bow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Just the record.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, except by a girl.
That was just the record.
Archery moose, okay, recordmoose in the province.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, I'd say, either way, It'd be up there Still
giant, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of speaking of archery, darren, you, uh, you're an
avid bow shooter.
Right, I am an avid bow shooter, yes, uh, how avid would you
consider yourself uh more thanyou'd like to be?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
okay for sure, yeah, no, I uh.
I spent a lot of time at it.
I chased a lot of tournamentsanywhere from cape breton to
ontario, uh yeah, you do a lotof shoot.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What are you shooting for a bow?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Elite Ethos.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, you like that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I do really like it.
Yep, yep, yep.
No, I've had no issues with it.
I moved on from the Evisionwhich Lane has had some luck
with.
Yep, yeah, and then I'llprobably move on here shortly.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Just to do it, just to do it Switch brands or stay
with the same brand.
No, I'll probably stay withElite.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I got a good group of guys I'm with there,
and the Elite dealer is one ofthem, and, yeah, we got a good
relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So yeah, what got you into that?
Why not a skeet shooting orsomething?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What got you into the bow competition, bow shooting,
really, just the extra threeweeks of deer season is what
started it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I started with a Bear Cruiser from Cab, uh, from
cabela's, when they openedclassic and yeah, and then when
that was basically just timedupgrade.
I had that for six yearsprobably and, uh, yeah, I kind
of wanted to get a little moreinto it.
And then I had met a guythrough moose hunting and he
shot 3d tournaments, yeah, andhe brought me to a couple
dealers and then I picked a bowand I bought it and then he's
like, well, if you kind of madethe decision that I spent a lot
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of money on a bow, so I might aswell use it.
Instead of just a month or acouple months before deer season
, kind of practicing, just kindof get into the all year round
thing and instead of you knowkind of fine tuning your skills
before the season, just staytuned up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So how does it work with the competition bow
shooting?
I'm always curious because youhave to hit the target, but
everyone's pretty damn good, soeveryone hits the target.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
One or two points can be the difference between first
or fifth.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I've seen pictures.
Like you know, I see your stuffon Instagram and other people's
and this and that and, likeeveryone, hits the target target
right for the most part.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, yes, for the most part, yeah, yeah.
So basically, uh, if you hitthe target, it doesn't matter if
it's in the ass, it's fivepoints, or in the in the neck,
it's five points.
But then the vitals, let's say,would be eight points.
And then you have a centercircle in the middle of that
kind of where your heart wouldbe is a 10, and then there's a
bonus ring in the center of thatabout the size of a toonie.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's an 11 you, you guys, robin Hood, each other's
arrows.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It happens A lot.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, any, fist fights out there over it.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I haven't seen any yet.
Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Could be a first.
Yeah, there could be a first.
Yeah, Dalvin, you should getinto bow shooting.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I have a question.
So does everybody in thesecompetitions not?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
wear socks, or is I had to ask, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It depends.
If I'm in tick territory, I putsocks on, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But if not, I just rock it.
I was going to ask you beforethe podcast.
I was like that's too funny notto ask during the podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Is there a dress apparel at?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
these Nationals?
There was, there was Nationals,you weren't supposed to, I'd
wear a thong to throw everybodyoff.
It would be.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You think you'd be able to shoot straight?
Seeing these butt cheeksstaring you back in the eyes
That'd be my strategy.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, Nationals didn't want camo apparel.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Really Did not Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They wanted to be able to see everybody real
clearly.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I think that's what it is Really.
Do you have to wear neon stuff?
Nope, just not camo.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Really that's interesting.
That's interesting just thedenim or something.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't know if that's changed or not, I'd wear
like a tuxedo, that would throweverybody off yeah, that'd also
be a hot day tramping throughthe woods wearing a tuxedo,
that's true well, there's indoorseason true, there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, indoor season, I was thinking outdoor 3D, yeah
how crucial is a range finder toyou, because I see guys have
their packs they've got the.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
There is different classes.
There is unknown classes andknown classes.
So it's up to you essentially,if you want to.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Oh, so you can bring a range finder to any of it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, you can't bring a range finder to unknown
classes.
Oh, it's got to be unknown.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, I thought they said what the knowns were, and
then you had to bring a rangefinder, so that the.
So the unknown is like you'rereally just guessing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, you're looking at a target and then you're just
kind of guessing and uh butyou'd have a good.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If you shoot frequently, you'd have a.
You'd have a damn good idea.
You'd like to think so, butsome guys are but there's it's.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know, you could be looking at a full size elk
target at four yards, but thensometimes we'll have size
animals for you know.
So it is.
There's a game in a gym.
It's not that big of a dealyeah, because you can kind of go
off of your previous shot orright you know whatever, but
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outside when it's individuallanes it can be difficult to
narrow that down.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What are your pins set at?
I have a slider pin uh, you gotto explain that one too that
you set for typically 20, 30, 40, yes, and then which?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I have a three pin site, but it is a it is a slider
three pin site.
So basically, I set my top pinfor 20 yards and then you have a
wheel that you slide up anddown.
For if I want 32 and.5 yards, Ican set it to 32.5 yards.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, yeah, that's cool.
You ever seen those Garmin oneswhere it's?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
like built-in range finder.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Does anybody have one that you know?
No, Okay do they work?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
you think, they say they do.
I'm not sure.
I haven't seen them get realpopular.
I've heard a couple people talkabout them.
That's about it.
Yeah, but uh but yeah, butthere's classes for, because
there is like a fixed pin classyeah it depends on different
events.
Different events can havedifferent classes, but typically
, like now, unknown is prettyrare.
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It used to be more common nowthe big classes are the known
classes, yeah, and which is abonus, it's nice, but not nice
because, like you say, if you'rein hunting moose or something
like, yeah, I do have a goodidea, yeah, but it's not.
You know, like there's someolder, older guys, it's an m60
class and they're uh, they'reunknown and some of them are
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just crazy like they can look ata target and be like oh yeah,
that's 43 and a quarter yards,basically, and be within like
half a yard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Do you have Elon Musk's neural link in you?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like I'd be testing for that.
It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So which would be harder to win, because the known
right, everybody knows what theyardage is so it'd be a lot
tighter, but the unknown, likeyou're just adding that extra
what's harder, what's harder towin for me, it would be the
unknown, because I'm not for mebe all of them, yeah, yeah but
unknown for me for sure would bemore difficult.
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But if you've done that forlike I don't know if you've
listened to levi morgan and hislike how he's trained on
distances and stuff like I'veseen a bit of his stuff.
You have to put in the time tolearn how far away, because if
you're, it doesn't really like.
You know, we do practice likeyou look at every now and then
you look at a target and be like, oh, I think that's 27 yards,
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and then you range it and thenit's like, man, that's 34, like
wow.
So that could be a differencebetween you know, a center 11
and up could be a miss.
Really, yeah, you know,depending on the size of the
target to being.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That is just shoot a lot at different distances and
just look at it, guess what youthink it is range.
Fine, okay, that's what it isover, yeah, yeah targets being
like uphill or downhill, willplay a factor in it too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like you sent me some pictures oh yeah they got like
a bobcat, like 20, 30 feet in atree, yeah, and you gotta aim
straight, pretty well, straightup to hit it yeah and the bobcat
stays still that whole time.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole time.
Yeah, it's actually a blackcougar never moved.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, I already know the answer, but for people
listening, what class are youin and can you kind of elaborate
the different classes?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, I'm in the hunter division.
Um, I mean, I joined thatbecause I'm a hunter and I want
to be familiar with my huntingequipment.
So, and then the next divisionup, I suppose would be K, would
be K 50, which is known 50,which is more what you'd see
like olympic style bows withlike the really long stabilizers
oh yeah, I have seen they canput the lenses and the
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magnifiers in their scope, whereI can't have that so basically
my limitations is open sight, nomagnifier and length of
stabilizer, and other than thatit's.
There's no restrictions on axleto axle-axle or arrow size or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, I know I've seen those pictures of the
really long stabilizers Likethese guys bow-shooting or
fencing.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, basically.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay, we're going to go from the bow-shooting to the
fencing event.
They just take off theirfreaking arrow and away.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
They go because they're already set up, and
you'll see some pointy ones yeahso those are not ideal for
hunting.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
All right, let's just get around this.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You don't want to walk through the woods 50 yards
back yeah, essentially a 15pound bow with yeah, because
sometimes they'll have like adouble, a dual rear stabilizer
as well oh, yeah, yeah it couldbe 15, 20 inches long, I suppose
really yeah, and then a 30 upfront, are they?
Are they black?
Yes, for the most part.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't know why I guessed that there's no white
ones that long.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Not that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Okay same, I don't even shoot bows.
No, I do Not, competitively Notyet maybe with all my spare
time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's never too late to join.
Right, Okay good yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I'll wait a while, and then you can still tell me
that.
Yeah, no, that's interesting.
What's your draw weight?
I'm curious.
Are you a big like, oh, I'vegot to pull back as much as
humanly possible?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, my draw weight is 65.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, yeah, that's what mine is, that that's just
kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
you know, I want it.
I'm six, two, I can, you know,and I can pull back enough
weight.
Sorry, ken, definitely not, andI draw lanes 31 half.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I fart every time I pull it back.
Yeah, just from straining.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So my arrow's moving, you know, pretty quick, and not
that I'll probably get into it,but there is.
If you go to bigger tournamentsdown in the states, there is a
feet per second limit, yeah, soright now I'm at that limit.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So if I went heavier poundage that would be able to
I'd have to kind of rearrangeyeah, I shoot 65 and that's fine
, that's comfortable, the bearthe thing never even hesitated
straight past you and stuff,they said they said 60 will go
clean through a moose most stuff.
Anyone's shooting over that arethey just doing that to say
that they can Like?
Is it necessary in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't think it's necessary.
I have a woman in my club thatshoots 45 pounds and she got a
moose last year with her bow andI think it went 40 yards.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So you can do it for sure.
I mean it's shot placementsmore but anything over 65 people
are like just trying to bragyeah probably or if you I mean
if you were elk hunting orsomething sure instead of you
might be able to get comfortableat 70 yards instead of 50.
I mean that to me that'sprobably the benefit of a faster
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bow.
Yeah, would be higher poundage,would be further distance being
comfortable, I suppose yeah,but you can still shoot quite a
ways.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
65 yeah right and make it have it lethal.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Oh for sure, especially about self, a bigger
animal, yeah, yeah yeah, but ifyou're, if by chance you're
gonna hit a shoulder orsomething, if you're pounded,
you do have that little extrabenefit.
But for me, you know, if Ishoot, especially at a
tournament, I don't want to beheading into the second round in
the afternoon and, uh, you know, be tired right, I'm pulling
back all the time if I'mpracticing or whatever.
(34:52):
I don't want to yeah, no exactlyI'm sure you get used to it
after a while, just likeanything else, but still I
haven't found.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I know it's remember the first time when I got my bow
quite a while ago, pulling itback the first time.
It's like it's a weird muscle.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Very weird because you're like, I don't think I use
this muscle that much I'vegiven people twice the size of
me my bow and they can't eventhink about pulling it back.
Yeah, it's just a technique,it's what you're used to well
it's just a I don't know, it'sjust a weird one like I can do
it now.
Obviously no problem.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm no bigger or heavy or anything.
It's just repetition.
But it's just.
Yeah, it's a weird muscle.
The only time I used thatmuscle I was going to get
someone to falcon punch right,just like that.
But other than that, that's it.
So have you taken your bow?
New something?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I haven't, no, because, well, my only tag was
2018.
So next, I guess this year wasmy seventh year, unsuccessful
again, but I will be taking itif I get drawn and the guy that
has the tag this year I'm goingwith.
He last time I talked to himwas planning on bringing his bow
.
He is.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes sir.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So do you mean, like bringing the bow and the rifle?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
The second gun will have the rifle, just.
I mean, you know, if you have asmasher at 100 yards, it would
suck to be standing there.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, the guys you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I was just going to say so.
Hypothetical question it's thefourth week of rifle season for
you.
It's cold, you're like I got abig winter jacket on.
Am I going to be able to pullmy bow back?
Are you taking the rifle?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I do take my rifle.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Okay, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I don't have enough wall hangers on the wall, or any
for that matter.
I've got a couple of pieces ofdeer, but nothing that I've
mounted.
So yeah, no, I would kickmyself for a long time before I
if I had a trophy deer at 70yards and I'm sitting there with
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a bow and it's like.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I'd just throw my bow to the tree as much as I would
love to, and that does depend.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I do have some spots that I have set up for only
archery Right, so if I'm in thatspot I will bring the bow Right
Sometimes, and I do.
I'm fairly set up clothes-wiseas far as having not baggy.
I plan on that as shooting mybow and I practice with my
jacket and stuff.
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So I haven't really had anissue with with that so far.
But our seasons aren't anywhereas near out West as far as cold
either, so it's doable.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Right, so here we don't.
I mean New Brunswick is a.
It's a hard place to bow hunt.
You have other problems in theStates.
I think it's more in the Stateswhere the opportunities seem
more.
There they have longer seasons,they have a lot more abundance
of deer and stuff here.
Bear you want to get bears witha bow and all that.
That's pretty doable.
But the other stuff it's tricky.
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Anyone here who's gotten amoose with a bow?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean that's all, no matter what size.
That's impressive.
No matter what size.
Yeah, that's impressive, it is.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's hard hunting.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Because the third year my buddy had got his
license.
He was using archery and I hadmy rifle with him, but I
basically acted as a rangefinder for him.
And then, just in case but youhad talked earlier about most
seasons usually during hurricaneseason and uh, there was a few
years ago.
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A hurricane was coming in andit was Thursday, so he decided
to bring the rifle and thatmorning at 10 o'clock or nine,
30 or whatever, we got our bullat 27 yards.
Oh yeah, it's just like ofcourse but, as we were, we leave
two people in the woods andthey kind of got the moose, yeah
, and then start kind ofclearing a pathway on the way
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out to the road.
I mean, it was only 40 yardsoff the road, so it wasn't that
bad.
But and then two of us go backand get another truck and a
trailer and a bike and when wejust basically, when we kind of
had our hurrays and pitchers andthen we took off to get that,
it just started pouring.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
So it's like oh it would have been nice to have the
bow with that one, but itworked out.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I mean, well, it's only five days, well,
that's just it.
You don't get licensed again.
That's why a lot of people arelike it's hard to chance, right?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Especially once you've gone home with nothing
before.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, well, you know, it's like if you got it every
year, you're like well, you know, whatever this next year and
stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah, next year is like Thursday, yeah
statistically.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
It's neat here I'm incredibly thankful for the
moose that we got when we didand all that.
But it's hard, you know, whenyou go out hunting like well,
it's all about the experienceand this and that it's like well
, no, like I find the pressure'son a bit.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It's your own time and touch it is it's harder to
enjoy.
Yeah, it on crown, land likeyou can hunt on crown land.
You can camp on crown land, youcan do whatever you want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all forthe only I mean technically, I
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guess you could hunt bears thatway, but there's not a lot of
spots in the province where,deer, you would have a chance at
getting that done that way no,there you could right.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, five, I know five days is short.
Yeah, it is really short, Imean it.
What hats off to the fellerswhen it was only three days.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Like you know, that's that's when I don't pass
anything.
Yeah, yeah, At least now youcan kind of be like well, no
cows, maybe no spike horns.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, it goes down to the wire, then Well, yeah, so
since we, well, I was going toask where are so, where you're
going, dalton, you know everyonesays, like the guy Brad was
saying, it's not if you're goingto see a moose, it's how picky
are you going to be.
How?
What are you going into?
Yeah, how picky are you goingto be I?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
don't know, I think.
I think, starting out, I'd likeI'd like to be close to what
you got on the wall there and Iknow for the listeners that's
terrible, terrible.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's exactly what we said, but describe that Like
something I'll use that picture,Something with a little bit of
something with a little bit ofpaddle maybe.
Yeah, but like I'm not, uh, soyou see a bull come out, say
half that size.
You guys pulling the trigger.
What day is it of five?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Oh my god, what are you trying to do to me?
Hey what have I seen so far?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I've already seen two like that.
You've seen a lot of cows.
You've seen a few spike horns.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Alright, let me sum it up.
If I'm sitting there the firstmorning, a four-pointer,
six-pointer, whatever, like somelittle dink bull, walks out.
Probably not.
If it's Saturday morning 110%.
If it's the third day, I don'thave an answer for you.
That's going to be anin-the-moment decision.
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But I mean, if we're seeing acouple moose for the first few
days, then I might try to holdout a little.
But to sit here and say I'mgoing to try to just kill a
trophy moose would be completelyincorrect.
I will shoot a calf Saturday.
I have no problem with that.
I won't eat.
Dad wants to eat moose.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Your scouting will determine a lot of that.
If you go up, yeah, you know,you're two or three days before
the season and you're like, ooh,we're struggling to find moose,
yeah, you know, you see an 8 or10 pointer the first morning,
yeah, I probably should shoot it.
If you're seeing moose aftermoose, you're seeing some good,
good bowls in the scouting, yeah, then you can hold off for a
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couple days and kind of hold up,wait.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, and another thing too, with where we're
going, I I don't know how manypeople are going to be there.
I truly have no idea.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I think you're beside me because I'm in gated areas
too.
Yeah, but like Up and left.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, I just pulled it up.
No, that's what I was.
Yeah, it's very similar to theground.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yeah, kind of up and left.
Yeah, that's exactly.
That was a long way of saying,ken, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
No, I figured that's the answer I was expecting out.
We didn't get one.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think it was Friday .
We had one that was.
He was on, he was raking, hewas grunting, he was putting up
a fight.
He sounded like a good bull.
You could tell he was on hisway in.
We were working him for 15, 20minutes and then here comes a
half-ton Ford and then, okay,they stopped, great.
(43:12):
And then they started to turnaround and it was a newer F-150.
Windows were down as soon asthe back bumper got towards,
like the brush and stuff Beep,beep, beep, beep, see a moose.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, so you never know what is going to happen,
well, I remember the year thatwe got ours Lane.
You helped guide them later inthe season.
That's when the hurricanekicked in.
But Cody and John they were outfriends of ours and they, cody,
sent me a picture the nightbefore they had these two great
big ass bulls in and I was likeshowing you Lane.
(43:46):
I'm like holy shit.
I said these fuckers are goingto be tagged out first thing in
the morning, right away.
Great big ass bulls Right bytheir campsite the night before.
They never got a thing.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
The mistake they made is they called to them.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh yeah, you guys going to be around tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Don't call to them before the season, because they
will catch on If they startcoming into a call.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I couldn't believe it .
I was like they're going to getthem for sure.
They'll get call shy.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
There's 10 moose around the corner, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
But, yeah, I think the things that's going to be
your favorite is yeah, the areais known to be not a great spot
for whitetails, but if you'regoing moose hunting, that's it.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
You'd think so, but there's some deer there too, is
there?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, couple are for deer.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh I think that's further up.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
It's a bit further up , that's more up and right of us
.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
We've seen quite a few.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
There's tons of bear, yeah, enough Quite a few deer
and lots of moose.
Honestly, yeah, we've seen somewild turkeys in the woods back
there.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, we saw turkeys on the way up the other day, but
nothing.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We've seen a tom like two minutes before we got our
moose last year, Nice, Justsitting on a stump and we got
out and kind of watched him fora bit, got back in the truck and
then we're getting right backout.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yes, sir, now I'm really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I think it'll be fun and the experience too.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, that's three-quarters of it, just to go
away for a week and hang out inthe woods.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
But, you want to get in this and somebody's familiar
with your area that you're goingwith.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
No, no, not really.
Okay, perfect, cheap, yes, butI'm also excited, like same
thing as dalton.
Yeah, but brad, I think bradhas enough woods instinct in him
for all of us and denver'sluckier than shit so we'll be
all right, yeah, yeah, you knowwhat they say.
Lane, better be lucky than good100.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'm just excited to go hunt some new ground.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yes, never been there .
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yep, it's all new territory for us, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, that'll be the only thing I'm excited to hear
about what you guys have done.
I think I'm going to be inMaine that week.
It's going to be really sad andwe're going to show up here
drunk and we've been, and I'mexcited to hear about that too.
Yeah, I don't want to talk aboutwell, we missed three and we
(45:57):
shot at five yeah, yeah exactly,uh, when you hit two, yeah,
yeah, but we couldn't find themand some other hunters took them
, and no, I think it'd be Ithink it'd be good story, right,
yelled at me.
Yeah, yeah denver fell in thefire um no, I think it'd be good
stories for sure I think Ithink I have some luck early on
in the hunt.
Are you feeling prettyconfident about your hunt?
Yes, and no, I think this year.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I kind of pay attention to where in the
calendar the moose season falls.
I think this year it's notearly or late, it's kind of
right in the middle, becausesometimes you can drive around
and not see any sign at all andthen the next morning you wake
up and it's like every road gottorn to shit.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I find here where it's usually the last week of
september, last full week, lastfull week in september um, it
seems to hit every year, thoughwe're pretty near right dead in
the rut.
Yeah, so that's helpful.
You're able to call and usescents and all this shit right.
So that's really.
Fortunate is that it does,because, like our deer season, I
find we just miss the rut andkind of we get the yeah, we get
a little bit of it withmuzzleloader, we get a little
(46:59):
more though.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah, that's a good addition.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, for anybody now with that extra week, yeah, so
uh, no, I think you guys will.
Uh, I'm excited to do thispodcast post moose season.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Thanks again for having us on.
Yes, appreciate it I'm.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
we'll have you guys out again.
I'm going to talk more bowhunting.
All right, Good luck on thehunt.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
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So on this podcast here we'vegot, as you can tell from the
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We are talking about mooseagain.
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We're excited for him and we'rekind of looking at it more like
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Guys, I'm fired up to have youhere.
I'm not just fired up, I'm fedup with having to wait for how
(03:29):
much longer it's going to betill moose season.
But moose season is rightaround the corner and I've got a
few guys here that I'm lookingat and as I look around the room
today, I see a lot of fuckingugly people.
No, I see people that haveexperience, uh, on past moose
hunts and, uh, someone that'sgoing to experience their first
moose hunt and I'm excited totalk about that.
But before we get going forthose of you who have heard the
(03:52):
podcast before and heard us talkabout this already know my
apologies, but how the the mooselicensing works here in new
brunswick, canada.
So you have to put in for yourtag.
It's a lottery system.
Uh, there's usually what about55,000, 60,000 people that apply
.
They give out about 5,000,5,500 tags give or take.
(04:13):
Your odds are supposed to go upthe more you put in and don't
get it.
But there's people that havegotten it twice in four or five
years and there's people thathave gotten it once in 18.
So I think the system's flawed,to say the least, in four or
five years, and there's peoplethat have gotten it once in 18.
So I think the system's flawed,to say the least, but it is
what it is.
So there's different wildlifemanagement zones to put in for
(04:34):
and you put in for that zone andhope to get drawn.
Some zones have higher numbersof moose than others, more tags
allocated, and that's the way itworks.
So, lane, you did not get drawnthis year, but you were tagging
along on a moose hunt, butyou've been on more than one
moose hunt, uh, before.
Yeah, your family group.
(04:55):
Usually somebody gets it withinyour family group aunts, uncles
, cousins, brother, somebodyit's not your brother, but
someone's brother.
So tell us about the hunt thatyou're going on this year.
Curious about that.
I always like to do a littlebefore and then we're going to
have a talk after.
But where are you guys going?
(05:15):
Gps coordinates.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
This year we're going up north for the first time.
We're going in zone four.
It's a whole new ball game forus.
I have no idea what we'regetting ourselves into.
I've only ever hunted mooselocally around home and two
zones around home.
But now my buddy's dad got histag and I told them to apply up
(05:36):
there with us.
Then I got the call that nightthat his dad got it.
He said I hope you're not goingwith anyone else because we
don't know where we're going.
Joke's on them, do I?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
yeah, it's like I I'm not and I also am clueless in
the area, but uh, and how wehunt moose around here too, it's
different other places mainlyswamps and choppings for the
most part.
You see some other placesthey're hunting in farmer's
fields and all that.
I don't really know ifanybody's shot one in a farmer's
field around here, unless thefarmer's farming trees that he's
(06:06):
recently cut, which would be achopping, so that's where you'd
see them.
So you guys are going up there.
You're excited how many tags inthat group there was more than
one tag wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We got three in our group total.
I don't know the Tags.
A buddy of mine lives up thereand we're going with him, and
then two other, but his buddy'sgot the tags Okay, so we're all
camping together, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And the moose season here is three days, either sex,
it's five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sorry, it was three days?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, all right, I'm getting to.
It was three days, now it'sfive, they've changed it.
What probably 10 years ago now,give or take?
Yeah, probably.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I'd say less, less.
Yeah, I don't know what year.
To tell you the truth, it usedto be three, now it's five.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's either sex.
I mean you can shoot a calf ifyou're comfortable with that,
really, and people do.
So that's what it is here.
I know other places, states andprovinces.
It's longer, but it can be alittle split up.
It can be, you know, just cows,just bulls, stuff like that.
So that's how it works here.
Dalton, you've not been on amoose hunt, have you?
No, do you know what a mooselooks like?
(07:11):
Yes, I see them online Okay yeah, yeah, can you imagine you're
out like someone in your huntingparty sees one like that's a
moose, like that's a mo, at themall morning I thought that was
an elk.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, so I've definitely been around the woods
a lot.
I mean I hunt plenty of otherstuff and I worked in the woods
for several years, so I mean Ihad a pretty good idea of what a
moose looks like You're feelingfamiliar with their anatomy.
He had one in his cow pasture.
A couple years ago I had one inmy cow pasture tore my electric
fence down.
Yeah did that electric fencedown.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Uh yeah, did that, almost killed me with a fence
post.
Uh yeah, stuff like that.
I know what.
I saw moose tracks from mycattle fence this spring and my
stomach just sank.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I'm like, oh shit, yeah, they just they go, oh they
just run right through thefence and pull it with them yeah
, it's awful yeah, so I I hadapplied years ago like, and I
hadn't applied in a couple yearsit's a lot to commit to it is
exactly.
And one of my, one of mybuddies there messaged me and
he's like put in for zone six.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'm like, okay, sure, right, jokingly and I did it
from you is what?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
four and a half hours yeah, it's, it's a solid four
hours away, um, so I put in andmonday morning and moose uh,
after the draw.
So the drive was sunday night.
So, long story short, I'msitting in the front seat of a
fire truck and we're sittingthere waiting and I pull the
phone, you're on the fire.
I'm like I'm like, yeah, likeyou know, maybe I'll just go
(08:39):
look and see my red right andyou know, just get that out of
the way.
I didn't stay up I've got time.
We're just out of fire no, no,it was nothing important, so
anyway I'm uh it was this girl'shouse that doesn't pay her
taxes for the fire departmentthat's right.
So anyway, sitting there andI'm like no fucking way, it's
green, I guess we're going move,son, and you hadn't applied in
(08:59):
a while.
No, like I was only I wastechnically my first year right
for applying, because it wouldbe like it would reset my
ballots to one I believe.
Not anymore.
No, no, so I would still keepthem.
Yeah, okay, so I had someballots in there, but still I
never Would have been under five, though, right.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't know this system's kind of wacky Right
around.
Yeah, so under five years, said.
It's about four and a halfhours from here.
It's unfamiliar territory andland.
You guys are hunting on a largetrack of paper mill company
(09:41):
land, is it?
Yeah, you could say it'sprivate crown private sort of
private crown yeah, it's gatedyou guys, to get the gated spots
you have to pay extra to get in, yeah, gated.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So we booked our.
We booked a campsite on saidpiece of ground.
From a map online and got someinformation from some locals
that had been around the areaand we went up last weekend and
had a good look around and threwa few cameras out and just had
a good look around and I mean itlooks good from what we saw
(10:16):
right out of the truck.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean it's so hot.
We've been going through a heatwave here.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, you're not going to be seeing much up and
around for sure, but I mean I'venever seen so much moose on in
my life, so I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We'll give you a shout out.
Brad Traer, up from uhCampbellton area, he uh he's
come down hunting and stuff hereand um.
He was able to give you somegood information about the area.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, he was by far the best help I've had, really,
um, he talked on the phone forme with me for 20 25 minutes
after a night shift one morning,yeah, and told me everything he
could, so that was prettyhelpful yeah, because he knows
the area because they don't have.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
A shout out to brad yeah, um, and then, speaking
about brad, so you've enlistedthe help of another one.
Yes, uh, lane Lane's father,brad, who couldn't be here with
us tonight.
He, you chose him as yoursecond gun.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, so I chose.
I wanted somebody with somegood experience.
That would kind of, I guess, beNot be afraid to take a little
leadership too, and I trust hisjudgment, you're bashful.
So pretty excited.
I think Brad's going to be agood asset.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Brad's a great asset.
How many hunts has your dadbeen on laying for moose?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
He's had his tag three times.
But he's been on I don't know,probably five or six total.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, because the way it works here in New Brunswick
too, you have the initial personthat was lucky enough to get
their moose tag and then youhave the second gun.
You pay a fee to be the secondgun and that person is allowed
to carry the gun.
They've got to be withinshouting distance and stuff,
yeah, um of the actual the tagholder and they're there with
(11:58):
with a gun as well and to helpon the uh, on the hunt.
So brad, yeah, so brad's yeah,he's organized and he's been on
some moose hunts and he's a he'dbe a good asset definitely to
bring along.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, so you guys were happy with the train that
you saw and everything yeah,yeah, I mean we, these are spots
that we had picked it on thatweeks prior and we we get out of
the truck and took five stepsand there's tracks yeah like
okay, these are fresh so I meanyeah can't, can't really
complain.
So far good, but we know solittle, right, I mean we're,
(12:27):
we're just going off a whim,basically here.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But so the plan is what you guys going to be
calling.
Who are you designating as thecaller?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I believe denver and brad, I don't know of what.
Denver?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
being lane's brother I would recommend just dad oh
okay, shots fired at Lane'sbrother's calling abilities.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Well, we'll figure that one out, you guys should
have competition beforehand.
Yeah, we're going to me and Patare actually going to judge him
the night before at thecampsite.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The moose calling.
Great, because Pat is the guythat suggested for you to.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, thanks, Pat Now we're here.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Shout out to Pat.
Yeah, thanks, pat.
Now we're here.
Straight up Pat.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Because then his work got involved and he's going to
be in and out, eh.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, I don't know what exactly is going to go on
there.
He's hopeful to be there forthe whole week, but he might not
be.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, I was talking to him last night.
He said he was fully committedto the week.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Of work.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
No, he said, you don't know when you're going to
lose hunt sucker man.
I said you don't know whenyou're going to get another tag
to go.
He said there's all kinds oftime to work.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, that's the idea .
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Hard to argue with that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yep, yeah.
Which brings us to our nextperson, darren.
You uh, this first time comingon the podcast.
Uh, you're going moose huntingthis year and you've been moose
hunting in the past.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yes, well, yep, yeah, I've been very fortunate.
I uh.
I got my license after sevenyears of applying.
I'm north as well, in zone 11seven years of applying.
Yeah, yeah because, well, myzone at home is, uh, very low
odds, very low numbers of moose.
So then, kind of the samesituation, I met a guy and he
(14:03):
told me to apply up there, andthen I did, and I got it my
first year applying up there,and then that was 2018.
And I didn't go up in 2019.
And then I've been veryfortunate, to go up every year
since.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh, really Just tagging along.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, and second gun and whatnot, like you were
saying earlier about fairness.
Fairness, I suppose, and Iwon't mention his name, just for
hate mail, but he got hislicense three years in a row
yeah, I know our system isflawed.
So alberta has a system similarto us, but with less flaws
right, because I think if yougot your tag, you had to wait
(14:40):
three or five years before youcould apply again.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, and I couldn't roll the instant notes of al
Alberta's one, but I've heard itbefore and like it's set up
that yeah, you don't have towait as long.
It's more fair.
You would definitely get yourlicense sooner and stuff yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So, yeah, I got lucky and I went second gun with him
for three years and then I had acouple other buddies last two
years that got it as well, andthen again this year.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
All successful hunts.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The first year I went up in 2020 with my buddy he had
decided and we had had aconversation about a smasher or
you know, going home hungry andwe went home hungry.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay, and we seen probably a 12, 14 pointer on the
second morning, Walked, youknow, came to the call, walked
down the road to 25 yards andthen just I got the no from him
and it was a call.
Whatever we made this decisionand let's do it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm going against it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, because my, I mean, you won't say that it's
disappointing in any way, butmine.
We were basically in betweenhunting areas when I got my
moose, okay, and a cow came out,or a calf came out.
Cow came out and the bullfollowed, oh yeah, and then it
was just a matter of Correct thefamily, that was it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I know that's the thing.
The year my uncle got hislicense and I went a second gun.
We were fortunate enough to geta really nice big bull, but we
made a great anything.
I mean, it's only five days theodds.
Get your license.
We're like anything that's nota calf.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Especially in that zone too, that was a tough zone.
It's a hard spot to get onedown.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This huge ass slobbering bull comes running
out.
We're like, well, we said, aslong as it's not a calf, and
that's certainly not a calf,yeah, there's no way either.
You two talk that slow.
No way, no, no, so we um, yeah,I remember on that one, yeah, I
could hear coming out for himand I was like, sounds like a
four-wheeler's going through thewoods without an engine.
(16:37):
He's like because we werecalling.
He's like, yeah, that's thebull, like all right.
And then, yeah, this thing cameout.
He's like we hit him and thenhe was running.
Remember, I shot and it's justshit luck shot.
We hit him twice.
And then he's running again andI shot again.
It just just happened to hithim behind the ear right, and
then it looked like he went down.
And then we're like, oh shit,like shaking and all that, and
then going down over to him andthen we hear this thing take off
(17:00):
like shit.
We never got him.
He took off like no.
So then we're like lookingaround more and then lo and
behold, there he is dead.
We're like, so there's two thatcame out and I never got a look
at what the other one was, soit's like I don't know.
And then that's when we calledyou lane and your dad came out
and, uh, we were like we were afew hours getting him out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That was a long old drag well, it's just so wet
that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
People doing this is uh, you've got to be prepared.
Yeah, like it's.
Uh, you know you're huntingswamps and stuff and choppings
and it's, it's rough going here.
Everyone like burning the beltsoff their bikes and shit like
that and just do what you can toget them out.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We had a lot of rope and four bikes and we struggled
to pull that thing out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
He would have been what?
200 yards off the road.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, and I was saying, if he went 50 yards
further, I bet you that wouldhave added an hour.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah 200 would feel like a kilometer.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh yeah, it was so wet too.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was an old, grown-up haircut and his antlers
were getting stuck up stumps,and it was not a fun.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, because your dad had the.
We ended up getting the ropetied to the top of the side by
the side and he's going alongand we're finally making some
headway.
And then he just wheelies itand he's like it must be stuck
on a stump.
We're like no, no, there's nostump, just back up and give her
.
And he did and he's there's astump.
No wonder he didn't come today.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Ken wasn't much help dragging out.
He tried to video it.
We had to keep yelling at him,like Ken.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I was trying to video .
It's hot out.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We need this moose out.
Put the camera away and help.
It was getting hot.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It was a crisp cool morning but I mean moose season
here always falls on uhhurricane, normally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So I got a question for all you guys, starting with
Ken.
Oh okay, your first moose hunt.
What was different than youthought it was going to be, or
what did you learn?
I guess would be.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was always told that when you're calling and
stuff, the moose will just comesmashing out, slobbering and
going, Because I mean, we'reused to hunting white-tailed
deer, right, and I was like theydon't come in like that.
They freaking do.
That was what surprised me.
I was like they really do comeout like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Don't always.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No but, I've heard that.
I was like he did that thingcame out like smashing down.
He's slobbering and going.
I was like holy shit, it works.
I was like you get back on inthere.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Do you not believe, canada, the?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
rough or what?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I couldn't believe it .
So that's what threw me off themost.
I'm like, wow, a lot ofattitude coming out of there.
So you come out here and youthink about how you came out the
last time.
What are you doing?
Shoot him?
No, but yeah, that's what threwme off.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I guess Sounds good, seems like they can be.
I don't know, people kind ofconsider them oh it's just a
moose, oh, you can bring it out,just a moose.
But then you know, you getfooled a few times and then it's
swell.
Maybe it's not just a moose,you know, if they're in the
right mood, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're saying, as in, they're moody, or you're saying
they're smart.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I guess, smart.
In a sense, I think they can bedumb or smart, depending on how
rutted up they are and how youknow if they in the mood or not?
But that's not the attitude togo in with.
Don't go in there.
Oh, it's just a dumb moose,It'll be no problem, We'll just
call one out and it'll step outhere.
I am, see you later Type ofthing.
Take it a little more seriousthan what some people might.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Lane, give us all your knowledge.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was surprised.
Actually kind of opposite ofKen is actually how quiet they
can be.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I was going to say they can be, they can be we had
one the year my cousin had histag.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We were calling and we heard like the suction of him
taking his foot out of the muskegg and we turned around behind
us and there was a moosestanding 50 yards behind us.
We're like how did he get thatclose before we even heard him?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, that's the thing they do call them the
ghosts of the woods because,like I said, how they came out
like that.
Yeah, they can, but other timesyou hear just how quiet.
But you always wonder too whenyou see a great big rack on them
and then they'll go flyingthrough the woods.
You're like, how do they dothat?
And not clothesline themselvesclothesline.
Yeah, I don't know how theydon't just hook it up on a tree
and break their neck.
That's what I'll just be like.
Well, I'm gonna chase him,because there's no way, with
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that set of antlers, he can't.
He can get that far ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But yeah, he's like he's gonna hang himself.
They're all so strong like oh,unbelievably strong.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
So that's a good question, don't?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
quite.
I have another question.
I'm not done yet.
So as far as moose hunting goeswind like scent, they will
circle around.
They will circle around.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Probably the same thing, depending on their mood.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And they will wind you.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, we've been winded multiple times.
So scent control is a must wehaven't heard them until they
winded us and then all of asudden you get almost like a
bark from them and then they'regone.
So taco.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Tuesday at the camp.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
This new season, skip it okay, I'll let brad know,
yeah hey, guys want some zestyonions and that hell.
No, we don't brad hell no, sothey're, but they're not.
The difference would be they'renot really as much sneaking
around as like a bear would beor something like that, like you
might catch them going aroundyou.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Kind of thing.
If you were set up right withthe wind, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What are we using for weapons?
Boys?
Dalton, I know you're weird andyou shoot left.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You just got a new gun.
What'd you get?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
A .270 short mag.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Weather B.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
No.
My .30-06 Weather B.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh, okay, yeah, what brand did you go with?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Tika.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, my firstleft-handed rifle, so pretty
excited with that.
Yeah, it's actually made for me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's right.
So that's what you're using?
Yeah, that's good.
It's a good brand.
Lane, what are you hammeringstuff at?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'm not sure what a gun is.
No, I'm not sure what a gun isno, I'm not a tag holder or
second gun, so I'm going with noweapon.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But just your weapon of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
My buddy's dad got a slingshot he was taking a 30 out
of 6 and my buddy's taking hisbow and his dad is really
pushing towards for my buddyConnor to shoot one with his bow
that'd be cool, yeah, there formy buddy Connor to shoot one
with his bow.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
That'd be cool.
Yeah, there's not many moosetaken every year in New
Brunswick with a bow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Just the record.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, except by a girl.
That was just the record.
Archery moose, okay, recordmoose in the province.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, I'd say, either way, It'd be up there Still
giant, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of speaking of archery, darren, you, uh, you're an
avid bow shooter.
Right, I am an avid bow shooter, yes, uh, how avid would you
consider yourself uh more thanyou'd like to be?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
okay for sure, yeah, no, I uh.
I spent a lot of time at it.
I chased a lot of tournamentsanywhere from cape breton to
ontario, uh yeah, you do a lotof shoot.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What are you shooting for a bow?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Elite Ethos.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, you like that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I do really like it.
Yep, yep, yep.
No, I've had no issues with it.
I moved on from the Evisionwhich Lane has had some luck
with.
Yep, yeah, and then I'llprobably move on here shortly.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Just to do it, just to do it Switch brands or stay
with the same brand.
No, I'll probably stay withElite.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I got a good group of guys I'm with there,
and the Elite dealer is one ofthem, and, yeah, we got a good
relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So yeah, what got you into that?
Why not a skeet shooting orsomething?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What got you into the bow competition, bow shooting,
really, just the extra threeweeks of deer season is what
started it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I started with a Bear Cruiser from Cab, uh, from
cabela's, when they openedclassic and yeah, and then when
that was basically just timedupgrade.
I had that for six yearsprobably and, uh, yeah, I kind
of wanted to get a little moreinto it.
And then I had met a guythrough moose hunting and he
shot 3d tournaments, yeah, andhe brought me to a couple
dealers and then I picked a bowand I bought it and then he's
like, well, if you kind of madethe decision that I spent a lot
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of money on a bow, so I might aswell use it.
Instead of just a month or acouple months before deer season
, kind of practicing, just kindof get into the all year round
thing and instead of you knowkind of fine tuning your skills
before the season, just staytuned up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So how does it work with the competition bow
shooting?
I'm always curious because youhave to hit the target, but
everyone's pretty damn good, soeveryone hits the target.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
One or two points can be the difference between first
or fifth.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I've seen pictures.
Like you know, I see your stuffon Instagram and other people's
and this and that and, likeeveryone, hits the target target
right for the most part.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, yes, for the most part, yeah, yeah.
So basically, uh, if you hitthe target, it doesn't matter if
it's in the ass, it's fivepoints, or in the in the neck,
it's five points.
But then the vitals, let's say,would be eight points.
And then you have a centercircle in the middle of that
kind of where your heart wouldbe is a 10, and then there's a
bonus ring in the center of thatabout the size of a toonie.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's an 11 you, you guys, robin Hood, each other's
arrows.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It happens A lot.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, any, fist fights out there over it.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I haven't seen any yet.
Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Could be a first.
Yeah, there could be a first.
Yeah, Dalvin, you should getinto bow shooting.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I have a question.
So does everybody in thesecompetitions not?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
wear socks, or is I had to ask, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It depends.
If I'm in tick territory, I putsocks on, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But if not, I just rock it.
I was going to ask you beforethe podcast.
I was like that's too funny notto ask during the podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Is there a dress apparel at?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
these Nationals?
There was, there was Nationals,you weren't supposed to, I'd
wear a thong to throw everybodyoff.
It would be.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You think you'd be able to shoot straight?
Seeing these butt cheeksstaring you back in the eyes
That'd be my strategy.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, Nationals didn't want camo apparel.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Really Did not Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They wanted to be able to see everybody real
clearly.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I think that's what it is Really.
Do you have to wear neon stuff?
Nope, just not camo.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Really that's interesting.
That's interesting just thedenim or something.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't know if that's changed or not, I'd wear
like a tuxedo, that would throweverybody off yeah, that'd also
be a hot day tramping throughthe woods wearing a tuxedo,
that's true well, there's indoorseason true, there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, indoor season, I was thinking outdoor 3D, yeah
how crucial is a range finder toyou, because I see guys have
their packs they've got the.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
There is different classes.
There is unknown classes andknown classes.
So it's up to you essentially,if you want to.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Oh, so you can bring a range finder to any of it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, you can't bring a range finder to unknown
classes.
Oh, it's got to be unknown.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, I thought they said what the knowns were, and
then you had to bring a rangefinder, so that the.
So the unknown is like you'rereally just guessing.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, you're looking at a target and then you're just
kind of guessing and uh butyou'd have a good.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If you shoot frequently, you'd have a.
You'd have a damn good idea.
You'd like to think so, butsome guys are but there's it's.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know, you could be looking at a full size elk
target at four yards, but thensometimes we'll have size
animals for you know.
So it is.
There's a game in a gym.
It's not that big of a dealyeah, because you can kind of go
off of your previous shot orright you know whatever, but
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outside when it's individuallanes it can be difficult to
narrow that down.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What are your pins set at?
I have a slider pin uh, you gotto explain that one too that
you set for typically 20, 30, 40, yes, and then which?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I have a three pin site, but it is a it is a slider
three pin site.
So basically, I set my top pinfor 20 yards and then you have a
wheel that you slide up anddown.
For if I want 32 and.5 yards, Ican set it to 32.5 yards.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, yeah, that's cool.
You ever seen those Garmin oneswhere it's?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
like built-in range finder.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Does anybody have one that you know?
No, Okay do they work?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
you think, they say they do.
I'm not sure.
I haven't seen them get realpopular.
I've heard a couple people talkabout them.
That's about it.
Yeah, but uh but yeah, butthere's classes for, because
there is like a fixed pin classyeah it depends on different
events.
Different events can havedifferent classes, but typically
, like now, unknown is prettyrare.
(28:59):
It used to be more common nowthe big classes are the known
classes, yeah, and which is abonus, it's nice, but not nice
because, like you say, if you'rein hunting moose or something
like, yeah, I do have a goodidea, yeah, but it's not.
You know, like there's someolder, older guys, it's an m60
class and they're uh, they'reunknown and some of them are
(29:20):
just crazy like they can look ata target and be like oh yeah,
that's 43 and a quarter yards,basically, and be within like
half a yard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Do you have Elon Musk's neural link in you?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like I'd be testing for that.
It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So which would be harder to win, because the known
right, everybody knows what theyardage is so it'd be a lot
tighter, but the unknown, likeyou're just adding that extra
what's harder, what's harder towin for me, it would be the
unknown, because I'm not for mebe all of them, yeah, yeah but
unknown for me for sure would bemore difficult.
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But if you've done that forlike I don't know if you've
listened to levi morgan and hislike how he's trained on
distances and stuff like I'veseen a bit of his stuff.
You have to put in the time tolearn how far away, because if
you're, it doesn't really like.
You know, we do practice likeyou look at every now and then
you look at a target and be like, oh, I think that's 27 yards,
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and then you range it and thenit's like, man, that's 34, like
wow.
So that could be a differencebetween you know, a center 11
and up could be a miss.
Really, yeah, you know,depending on the size of the
target to being.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That is just shoot a lot at different distances and
just look at it, guess what youthink it is range.
Fine, okay, that's what it isover, yeah, yeah targets being
like uphill or downhill, willplay a factor in it too.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like you sent me some pictures oh yeah they got like
a bobcat, like 20, 30 feet in atree, yeah, and you gotta aim
straight, pretty well, straightup to hit it yeah and the bobcat
stays still that whole time.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole time.
Yeah, it's actually a blackcougar never moved.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, I already know the answer, but for people
listening, what class are youin and can you kind of elaborate
the different classes?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, I'm in the hunter division.
Um, I mean, I joined thatbecause I'm a hunter and I want
to be familiar with my huntingequipment.
So, and then the next divisionup, I suppose would be K, would
be K 50, which is known 50,which is more what you'd see
like olympic style bows withlike the really long stabilizers
oh yeah, I have seen they canput the lenses and the
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magnifiers in their scope, whereI can't have that so basically
my limitations is open sight, nomagnifier and length of
stabilizer, and other than thatit's.
There's no restrictions on axleto axle-axle or arrow size or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, I know I've seen those pictures of the
really long stabilizers Likethese guys bow-shooting or
fencing.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, basically.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay, we're going to go from the bow-shooting to the
fencing event.
They just take off theirfreaking arrow and away.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
They go because they're already set up, and
you'll see some pointy ones yeahso those are not ideal for
hunting.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
All right, let's just get around this.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You don't want to walk through the woods 50 yards
back yeah, essentially a 15pound bow with yeah, because
sometimes they'll have like adouble, a dual rear stabilizer
as well oh, yeah, yeah it couldbe 15, 20 inches long, I suppose
really yeah, and then a 30 upfront, are they?
Are they black?
Yes, for the most part.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't know why I guessed that there's no white
ones that long.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Not that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Okay same, I don't even shoot bows.
No, I do Not, competitively Notyet maybe with all my spare
time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's never too late to join.
Right, Okay good yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I'll wait a while, and then you can still tell me
that.
Yeah, no, that's interesting.
What's your draw weight?
I'm curious.
Are you a big like, oh, I'vegot to pull back as much as
humanly possible?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, my draw weight is 65.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Okay, yeah, that's what mine is, that that's just
kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
you know, I want it.
I'm six, two, I can, you know,and I can pull back enough
weight.
Sorry, ken, definitely not, andI draw lanes 31 half.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I fart every time I pull it back.
Yeah, just from straining.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So my arrow's moving, you know, pretty quick, and not
that I'll probably get into it,but there is.
If you go to bigger tournamentsdown in the states, there is a
feet per second limit, yeah, soright now I'm at that limit.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So if I went heavier poundage that would be able to
I'd have to kind of rearrangeyeah, I shoot 65 and that's fine
, that's comfortable, the bearthe thing never even hesitated
straight past you and stuff,they said they said 60 will go
clean through a moose most stuff.
Anyone's shooting over that arethey just doing that to say
that they can Like?
Is it necessary in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't think it's necessary.
I have a woman in my club thatshoots 45 pounds and she got a
moose last year with her bow andI think it went 40 yards.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So you can do it for sure.
I mean it's shot placementsmore but anything over 65 people
are like just trying to bragyeah probably or if you I mean
if you were elk hunting orsomething sure instead of you
might be able to get comfortableat 70 yards instead of 50.
I mean that to me that'sprobably the benefit of a faster
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bow.
Yeah, would be higher poundage,would be further distance being
comfortable, I suppose yeah,but you can still shoot quite a
ways.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
65 yeah right and make it have it lethal.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Oh for sure, especially about self, a bigger
animal, yeah, yeah yeah, but ifyou're, if by chance you're
gonna hit a shoulder orsomething, if you're pounded,
you do have that little extrabenefit.
But for me, you know, if Ishoot, especially at a
tournament, I don't want to beheading into the second round in
the afternoon and, uh, you know, be tired right, I'm pulling
back all the time if I'mpracticing or whatever.
(34:52):
I don't want to yeah, no exactlyI'm sure you get used to it
after a while, just likeanything else, but still I
haven't found.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I know it's remember the first time when I got my bow
quite a while ago, pulling itback the first time.
It's like it's a weird muscle.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Very weird because you're like, I don't think I use
this muscle that much I'vegiven people twice the size of
me my bow and they can't eventhink about pulling it back.
Yeah, it's just a technique,it's what you're used to well
it's just a I don't know, it'sjust a weird one like I can do
it now.
Obviously no problem.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm no bigger or heavy or anything.
It's just repetition.
But it's just.
Yeah, it's a weird muscle.
The only time I used thatmuscle I was going to get
someone to falcon punch right,just like that.
But other than that, that's it.
So have you taken your bow?
New something?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I haven't, no, because, well, my only tag was
2018.
So next, I guess this year wasmy seventh year, unsuccessful
again, but I will be taking itif I get drawn and the guy that
has the tag this year I'm goingwith.
He last time I talked to himwas planning on bringing his bow
.
He is.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes sir.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
So do you mean, like bringing the bow and the rifle?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
The second gun will have the rifle, just.
I mean, you know, if you have asmasher at 100 yards, it would
suck to be standing there.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, the guys you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I was just going to say so.
Hypothetical question it's thefourth week of rifle season for
you.
It's cold, you're like I got abig winter jacket on.
Am I going to be able to pullmy bow back?
Are you taking the rifle?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I do take my rifle.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Okay, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I don't have enough wall hangers on the wall, or any
for that matter.
I've got a couple of pieces ofdeer, but nothing that I've
mounted.
So yeah, no, I would kickmyself for a long time before I
if I had a trophy deer at 70yards and I'm sitting there with
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a bow and it's like.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I'd just throw my bow to the tree as much as I would
love to, and that does depend.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I do have some spots that I have set up for only
archery Right, so if I'm in thatspot I will bring the bow Right
Sometimes, and I do.
I'm fairly set up clothes-wiseas far as having not baggy.
I plan on that as shooting mybow and I practice with my
jacket and stuff.
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So I haven't really had anissue with with that so far.
But our seasons aren't anywhereas near out West as far as cold
either, so it's doable.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Right, so here we don't.
I mean New Brunswick is a.
It's a hard place to bow hunt.
You have other problems in theStates.
I think it's more in the Stateswhere the opportunities seem
more.
There they have longer seasons,they have a lot more abundance
of deer and stuff here.
Bear you want to get bears witha bow and all that.
That's pretty doable.
But the other stuff it's tricky.
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Anyone here who's gotten amoose with a bow?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean that's all, no matter what size.
That's impressive.
No matter what size.
Yeah, that's impressive, it is.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's hard hunting.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Because the third year my buddy had got his
license.
He was using archery and I hadmy rifle with him, but I
basically acted as a rangefinder for him.
And then, just in case but youhad talked earlier about most
seasons usually during hurricaneseason and uh, there was a few
years ago.
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A hurricane was coming in andit was Thursday, so he decided
to bring the rifle and thatmorning at 10 o'clock or nine,
30 or whatever, we got our bullat 27 yards.
Oh yeah, it's just like ofcourse but, as we were, we leave
two people in the woods andthey kind of got the moose, yeah
, and then start kind ofclearing a pathway on the way
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out to the road.
I mean, it was only 40 yardsoff the road, so it wasn't that
bad.
But and then two of us go backand get another truck and a
trailer and a bike and when wejust basically, when we kind of
had our hurrays and pitchers andthen we took off to get that,
it just started pouring.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
So it's like oh it would have been nice to have the
bow with that one, but itworked out.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I mean, well, it's only five days, well,
that's just it.
You don't get licensed again.
That's why a lot of people arelike it's hard to chance, right?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Especially once you've gone home with nothing
before.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, well, you know, it's like if you got it every
year, you're like well, you know, whatever this next year and
stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Yeah, next year is like Thursday, yeah
statistically.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
It's neat here I'm incredibly thankful for the
moose that we got when we didand all that.
But it's hard, you know, whenyou go out hunting like well,
it's all about the experienceand this and that it's like well
, no, like I find the pressure'son a bit.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It's your own time and touch it is it's harder to
enjoy.
Yeah, it on crown, land likeyou can hunt on crown land.
You can camp on crown land, youcan do whatever you want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all forthe only I mean technically, I
(39:59):
guess you could hunt bears thatway, but there's not a lot of
spots in the province where,deer, you would have a chance at
getting that done that way no,there you could right.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, five, I know five days is short.
Yeah, it is really short, Imean it.
What hats off to the fellerswhen it was only three days.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Like you know, that's that's when I don't pass
anything.
Yeah, yeah, At least now youcan kind of be like well, no
cows, maybe no spike horns.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, it goes down to the wire, then Well, yeah, so
since we, well, I was going toask where are so, where you're
going, dalton, you know everyonesays, like the guy Brad was
saying, it's not if you're goingto see a moose, it's how picky
are you going to be.
How?
What are you going into?
Yeah, how picky are you goingto be I?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
don't know, I think.
I think, starting out, I'd likeI'd like to be close to what
you got on the wall there and Iknow for the listeners that's
terrible, terrible.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's exactly what we said, but describe that Like
something I'll use that picture,Something with a little bit of
something with a little bit ofpaddle maybe.
Yeah, but like I'm not, uh, soyou see a bull come out, say
half that size.
You guys pulling the trigger.
What day is it of five?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Oh my god, what are you trying to do to me?
Hey what have I seen so far?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I've already seen two like that.
You've seen a lot of cows.
You've seen a few spike horns.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Alright, let me sum it up.
If I'm sitting there the firstmorning, a four-pointer,
six-pointer, whatever, like somelittle dink bull, walks out.
Probably not.
If it's Saturday morning 110%.
If it's the third day, I don'thave an answer for you.
That's going to be anin-the-moment decision.
(41:38):
But I mean, if we're seeing acouple moose for the first few
days, then I might try to holdout a little.
But to sit here and say I'mgoing to try to just kill a
trophy moose would be completelyincorrect.
I will shoot a calf Saturday.
I have no problem with that.
I won't eat.
Dad wants to eat moose.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Your scouting will determine a lot of that.
If you go up, yeah, you know,you're two or three days before
the season and you're like, ooh,we're struggling to find moose,
yeah, you know, you see an 8 or10 pointer the first morning,
yeah, I probably should shoot it.
If you're seeing moose aftermoose, you're seeing some good,
good bowls in the scouting, yeah, then you can hold off for a
(42:18):
couple days and kind of hold up,wait.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, and another thing too, with where we're
going, I I don't know how manypeople are going to be there.
I truly have no idea.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I think you're beside me because I'm in gated areas
too.
Yeah, but like Up and left.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, I just pulled it up.
No, that's what I was.
Yeah, it's very similar to theground.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yeah, kind of up and left.
Yeah, that's exactly.
That was a long way of saying,ken, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
No, I figured that's the answer I was expecting out.
We didn't get one.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think it was Friday .
We had one that was.
He was on, he was raking, hewas grunting, he was putting up
a fight.
He sounded like a good bull.
You could tell he was on hisway in.
We were working him for 15, 20minutes and then here comes a
half-ton Ford and then, okay,they stopped, great.
(43:12):
And then they started to turnaround and it was a newer F-150.
Windows were down as soon asthe back bumper got towards,
like the brush and stuff Beep,beep, beep, beep, see a moose.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, so you never know what is going to happen,
well, I remember the year thatwe got ours Lane.
You helped guide them later inthe season.
That's when the hurricanekicked in.
But Cody and John they were outfriends of ours and they, cody,
sent me a picture the nightbefore they had these two great
big ass bulls in and I was likeshowing you Lane.
(43:46):
I'm like holy shit.
I said these fuckers are goingto be tagged out first thing in
the morning, right away.
Great big ass bulls Right bytheir campsite the night before.
They never got a thing.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
The mistake they made is they called to them.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh yeah, you guys going to be around tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Don't call to them before the season, because they
will catch on If they startcoming into a call.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I couldn't believe it .
I was like they're going to getthem for sure.
They'll get call shy.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
There's 10 moose around the corner, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
But, yeah, I think the things that's going to be
your favorite is yeah, the areais known to be not a great spot
for whitetails, but if you'regoing moose hunting, that's it.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
You'd think so, but there's some deer there too, is
there?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, couple are for deer.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh I think that's further up.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
It's a bit further up , that's more up and right of us
.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
We've seen quite a few.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
There's tons of bear, yeah, enough Quite a few deer
and lots of moose.
Honestly, yeah, we've seen somewild turkeys in the woods back
there.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, we saw turkeys on the way up the other day, but
nothing.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We've seen a tom like two minutes before we got our
moose last year, Nice, Justsitting on a stump and we got
out and kind of watched him fora bit, got back in the truck and
then we're getting right backout.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yes, sir, now I'm really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I think it'll be fun and the experience too.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, that's three-quarters of it, just to go
away for a week and hang out inthe woods.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
But, you want to get in this and somebody's familiar
with your area that you're goingwith.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
No, no, not really.
Okay, perfect, cheap, yes, butI'm also excited, like same
thing as dalton.
Yeah, but brad, I think bradhas enough woods instinct in him
for all of us and denver'sluckier than shit so we'll be
all right, yeah, yeah, you knowwhat they say.
Lane, better be lucky than good100.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'm just excited to go hunt some new ground.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yes, never been there .
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yep, it's all new territory for us, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, that'll be the only thing I'm excited to hear
about what you guys have done.
I think I'm going to be inMaine that week.
It's going to be really sad andwe're going to show up here
drunk and we've been, and I'mexcited to hear about that too.
Yeah, I don't want to talk aboutwell, we missed three and we
(45:57):
shot at five yeah, yeah exactly,uh, when you hit two, yeah,
yeah, but we couldn't find themand some other hunters took them
, and no, I think it'd be Ithink it'd be good story, right,
yelled at me.
Yeah, yeah denver fell in thefire um no, I think it'd be good
stories for sure I think Ithink I have some luck early on
in the hunt.
Are you feeling prettyconfident about your hunt?
Yes, and no, I think this year.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I kind of pay attention to where in the
calendar the moose season falls.
I think this year it's notearly or late, it's kind of
right in the middle, becausesometimes you can drive around
and not see any sign at all andthen the next morning you wake
up and it's like every road gottorn to shit.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I find here where it's usually the last week of
september, last full week, lastfull week in september um, it
seems to hit every year, thoughwe're pretty near right dead in
the rut.
Yeah, so that's helpful.
You're able to call and usescents and all this shit right.
So that's really.
Fortunate is that it does,because, like our deer season, I
find we just miss the rut andkind of we get the yeah, we get
a little bit of it withmuzzleloader, we get a little
(46:59):
more though.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah, that's a good addition.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, for anybody now with that extra week, yeah, so
uh, no, I think you guys will.
Uh, I'm excited to do thispodcast post moose season.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Thanks again for having us on.
Yes, appreciate it I'm.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
we'll have you guys out again.
I'm going to talk more bowhunting.
All right, Good luck on thehunt.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Thank you.
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