July 21, 2025 • 47 mins
A chance encounter in pouring rain led to Ken Marr's first record book buck. What began as a frustrating morning with bad weather and an ill-timed coffee choice turned into the hunting story of a lifetime when Ken spotted what looked like "a moose" while climbing down from his stand. The resulting deer scored 154 7/8 inches net, earning its place in the New Brunswick record books.
Special guest Lane Lewis, a certified measurer for the New Brunswick Big Game Club, explains the fascinating world of trophy scoring. From typical versus non-typical racks to the precise measurements that determine record book status, Lane unpacks the Boone and Crockett system used across North America. He shares stories of measuring everything from massive non-typical whitetails to polar bear skulls that exceeded his measuring tools' capacity.
The conversation explores minimum qualifying scores for different hunting methods and game animals in New Brunswick. Rifle-harvested deer must score 140 inches (typical) or 160 inches (non-typical), while archery minimums are set at 115 and 135 inches. Even pickups—antlers found after natural mortality—can qualify for the record book.
Beyond the numbers, this episode captures the essence of hunting heritage and how record books serve to document exceptional harvests across generations. Whether you're curious about how your trophy might measure up or simply enjoy hunting stories, this conversation offers valuable insights into the traditions that connect hunters with their shared outdoor heritage.
Want to check out the New Brunswick Big Game Club record book or have your trophy measured? Reach out to Lane through the club's Instagram page or contact Ken through Hunts On Outfitting.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
this is hunts on outfitting podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken meyer.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
associated with it, from storiesto how to's.
You'll find it here.
Welcome to the podcast.
All right, thanks for listeningin to this week's episode of
(00:31):
the podcast.
We appreciate it, as always.
Um, you know, we, uh, we've gota great one for you.
I got, uh, my friends sittingacross from elaine and we're
going to talk about, uh, I'mfinally going to tell my deer
story because I know people haveseen pictures of it and this
and that and, uh, I've just beenwaiting, I guess.
But I was like you know what?
I going to tell my deer storybecause I know people have seen
pictures of it and this and that.
I've just been waiting, I guess.
But I was like you know what?
I'm going to tell my deer story.
Some people were curious Lane,you're going to be talking to us
(00:52):
about a big game club, notyours, it's a province's big
game club.
We're excited.
Also, a friend of mine wastalking.
He got this dog and the doghe's feeding it a Nook Shook and
he wanted the Marine blend,which is great.
And I was like, why do you wantthe Marine blend.
Like you know, you can get theother blend too.
He's like well, he said thebreed that he has is more prone
(01:14):
to having allergies or somethingto some of the chicken things
like that.
I guess that's that breed.
I was like never thought ofthat.
So the Marine blend uh comes inhandy.
So I mean some of you guysthinking you want a variety and
all that, it's uh, it's got thevariety for you.
It's a one-stop shop.
You just find a uh reseller,trusted reseller, online on
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their website.
Put in your area code andthey're going to show you who's
around you 800, over 800 acrossNorth America.
Um, also, have you everconsidered if a Zempik is right
for you?
No, we're not sponsored by aZempik Lane.
Before we got started, too, youwere looking at the Canadian
access to firearms.
(01:56):
I was it's like a newsletter.
It's a magazine newsletter.
What did you think of it?
It's pretty neat.
Lots of guns.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I was surprised.
Everything was in it, from gunsto fishing equipment to scopes,
to ammo.
Deer pictures in there, it waseverything.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Everything and it ships goes right to your house
and it's going to keep you up todate for you Canadians on
what's going on in the gun world, shows coming up, new gear, all
that stuff.
So it's great, lots of goodarticles in it.
Lane, thanks for coming out.
I'm going to try to tell astory about my deer.
(02:32):
I always ask for people fortheir stories on here and I'm
going to try to give it a gomyself, see if I can tell one as
good as my guests do Before weget started.
Lane, you've been on here quitea few times before, but for
those listening in for the firsttime, who are you?
Where are you from?
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
My name's Lane Lewis, I'm from Havelock, new
Brunswick, and I work for theCity of Moncton.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're in Canada.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In Canada.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, excellent, all right Lane.
So I've been very blessed andfortunate to have several things
in the New Brunswick recordbook.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Officially three now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Officially three, but we're going to get started.
I'm going to tell the storyabout my first one and then
we're going to get into how yougot going with this.
The scoring, what New Brunswickwants, minimum for archery, for
uh, for gun, what's accepted,what's not, all that, and it
doesn't matter where you'relistening to this, from what
province, what state, whatcountry.
(03:30):
It's kind of interesting.
And I mean, you know, eventhough we're going to talk about
some of the animals in therefrom, say, new brunswick uh,
lane, you ship the book all over.
You can ship the book to anyonethat wants it.
I mean, you've got the one fromnova scotia.
If somebody came to you andsaid, lane, I've got this great
offer, you can ship the book toanyone that wants it.
I mean, you've got the one fromNova Scotia.
If somebody came to you andsaid, lane, I've got this great
offer, you can get the Iowarecord book, which you'd
probably be interested.
Yep, you know just curious tosee you know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, actually, when I get the one from Nova Scotia
it was a buddy of mine and wetraded I shipped him a Redskins
one and he shipped me a NovaScotia one yeah you know it's
interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And then you know your guys' books are really well
put together.
You've got colored pictures.
Some people have stories andall that.
It's thick.
There's deer, moose, bear in it.
It's pretty interesting, it'sgood to look at.
So my deer story.
Well, where do I begin?
It's 1993.
No, so there I was standingthere, deer to my left, deer to
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my right, one bullet left andthat's all I needed.
No, so I'm going to start offby saying so, like a lot of
people, hunting deer growing upI did when I could, but working,
you know, when you're youngeryou're really eager to work all
the time, make some money, andthat really kept interfering
(04:43):
with my hunting, deer hunting inparticular.
I could always get out for someduck hunting and you know some
small game stuff right.
But with that deer hunting Iwas always kind of picky, maybe
because I used to get the BigBuck magazine, you know, I
remember that and I think mystandards were like really high
Because I didn't want to shoot.
You know, a smaller one.
So I was like, oh you know,know, anyone can shoot that.
(05:05):
And I was just picky for a lotof years, said I think it had a
lot to do with reading thatmagazine and stuff.
But uh, you know, it's good tohave standards, I suppose.
And uh, I, um, I did.
I'd hunted deer a lot, a lotbefore when I could.
Definitely, like I said, I wasjust picky, uh, but I never
considered myself a deer hunterper se.
(05:27):
I hunt deer.
I get bored easily.
I don't want to sit in a standand I do some.
That's a lot of the deerhunting is done around here.
I like walking and I'd see alot of deer walking.
Some people find they scarethem off and all that walking.
I would see I'd see just asmany walking as I would from the
stand.
But I don't know, I just gotbored, get bored with it.
But uh, I was working at westand I actually had some time for
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for deer season and I've beenfrustrated up until that year,
quite frustrated the past few.
I had some close calls, somebig bucks I was after and all
that.
Nothing really came through.
So I was like, well, if I don'tget a deer this year, like I'm
just freaking done.
No, it wasn't quite that bad.
I was getting a little.
I wasn't enjoying it as much, Iguess.
(06:09):
So then I got a new gun.
I got it out in Alberta becausethe taxes were cheaper there,
so it was great.
I remember asking we're stayingat a hotel there for work and I
asked the hotel owner managerat first I'm like.
I said if I buy a gun, can Ibring it back here?
I said because I'm going to flyhome with it, just figured I'd
ask you know if someone brings agun into a hotel.
He's like sure.
(06:29):
I said just don't be waving itaround to everybody.
Of course I didn't listen andthat's why I don't have that gun
anymore and a criminal recordno, I'm just kidding.
So I did get that gun, flew ithome and I I wanted one last big
game rifle for New Brunswick.
So you know we're hunting bear,deer, moose and this gun has
taken all of them.
And I was looking at a lot ofdifferent guns and I settled on
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the Browning X-Bolt.
I got the full synthetic, I gotthe 22-inch barrel and I got it
in a 7mm 08.
The thing shoots reallyaccurately.
It's so light.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Extremely.
I've shot with you and it'sdead on.
It attacks at 100 yards.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Easy oh easy.
The trigger has just that hair.
You breathe on it.
It should go off.
The gun's nice and comfortable.
If you want to sit in a stand,it's great for that.
If you want to go trampingthrough the woods, I like doing
that, it's great for that.
It's short and it's tough andit has taken a moose and it's
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taken a few deer and severalbear.
Yeah, I really like that gun alot.
And you know, detachable clipand I'm shooting the Browning
BXR I can't remember exactly,it's the rapid expansion bullets
.
Have you seen like I think thefirst bear shot with it?
You're like holy shit, it madea mess, it blew the shoulder
apart.
You know, I think the firstbear shot with it.
You're like holy shit, it madea mess, blew the shoulder apart.
For you know, the 7mm 08 wouldbe considered a smaller gun, yep
(07:49):
, smaller gun.
Really so anyways, I love it.
So then, yeah, so I had thehunting deer and I didn't have
anything on camera.
I've always been an occasionalcamera user.
This year I got on the.
This spring I got on the old uhcell cam train, like it good on
that wagon, staying on thatwagon.
I used it for turkey.
Hunting is great scouting thenbear season worked really well
(08:12):
for that you jumped right in.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You didn't just dip your toes and I went from nine
to three or four.
Now, yeah, yeah, I love it Ijust like these things are.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They are valuable because, uh, I've gotten a
little more into deer huntingwith the food plot and
everything.
I like doing that more than dohunting.
Honestly, some of the deer justmanaging it, you know, working
the ground, putting stuff in,trimming around the apple trees,
putting cameras up, seeingwhat's going on.
Yeah, I enjoy that part of itquite a bit because it's busy
and I like to be busy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I don't like relaxing too much, but yeah, that year I
uh I only had a little sixpoint on camera, but again I
didn't have much out.
So remember I was, it was.
I got up that morning morning Igot my buck and it was just
pouring rain and it was warm,and what time was.
Were we in november lane?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think we're close I want to say it was the third
week of rifle season, so likethat, right around Remembrance
Day.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, and it was just oddly warm and just pouring
like just a beat hell.
So I got up that morning.
I was like I wasn't even goingto go out.
I was like, oh no, screw it,I'll go.
So I got my for you Canadianslistening, who know this place
got my Tim Hortons coffee andyou'll know this place got my
Tim Hortons coffee.
And you know, I screwed up thatmorning.
Normally I get two milk insteadof two cream, but I got two
(09:30):
cream.
And just remember that partbecause this comes back into the
story later.
So I get out there and as I'mhunting I'm just sitting in the
stand.
I was sitting looking at alogging road and it's about 125
yards away, roughly.
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So there I'm watching, it'sjust pouring rain and all that,
and then all of a sudden I heara knocking and it's nature and
it's calling and I was like crap, that cream is coming back to
haunt me and I was like, ah jeez, I've got to go use the
bathroom.
So I'm up in the stand.
I was like, well, I'll justleave my gun here and I'll race
(10:12):
back to my parents' house andyou know, use the bathroom, come
back out, hunt a bit longer,because I don't know what time
it was in the morning, it was 9o'clock probably or something.
I was like I'll hunt a littlelonger.
I don't like sitting too long,but just with it raining that
much, I was like whatever.
And um, yeah, so I'm like Ileft my gun out there.
I'm going down the ladder, thenI see these does are out in the
field like way down.
(10:32):
I'm like, oh, there's some doesthere.
And then all of a sudden I seethis other big body deer, lift
its head up and turn and it justlooked like a moose.
I'm like holy shit.
So I, uh, I couldn't believe itjust looked like a moose.
I'm like holy shit, so Icouldn't believe it.
It's just huge.
It looked like something out ofa freaking you know magazine.
And then I was like, is thiscrazy?
This is happening.
I was like, well, let me do amental checklist real quick.
(10:55):
It's deer season.
Yeah, I'm deer hunting, yeah,and there's a giant buck down
there.
Yeah, and I don, there's agiant buck down there, yeah,
then I'll have my gun.
So I like carefully get back upand the buck was eating somebody
.
He was you know, he was ruttingpretty hard.
He's paying attention to thedoes.
So the does.
They were kind of onto me, thebuck didn't care at all.
So then I quickly get up there,come back down, get the gun.
(11:16):
And then, uh, I up the ladder.
I just kind of reached in,grabbed the gun, came down
because I figured if I wentright up into the tree, stand
and you know moving right upthere, they'd see me.
So then, um, I get it and thedoes were like starting to look
around, but it wasn't too badyet, and then I just kind of
ducked down and then there wasgrass and some branches around
(11:38):
me so I was like I gotta standup.
So I stood up and then they sawme.
And then they saw me and thenthey take off and I had nothing
to rest the gun on at all.
And, uh, this is where that hairpin trigger comes in handy,
because if that trigger had anykind of pull at all 100 I think
it would have missed.
So the buck started going withthem and I was like he was he
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wasn't running, but he wasmoving and I normally, you know,
wouldn't shoot big game animalon the move.
But I was like I felt good init and he's shot.
And then it looked like he'shit, but I couldn't quite tell
him they're just gone and thatwas it and I was like holy shit,
so I just, like you know, kindof freaked out, breathing a bit
and then I was like I'm gonnawait, I'm gonna go back to the
house and grab some dry clothesand shit myself or whatever.
(12:20):
Sorry, whatever I had to do anduh, I'll just give him some
time.
So I'm like running back and Iremember I called my wife.
She was on her way to work andI called her.
I'm like screaming.
She thought I was gettingchased by a bear because I was
all out of breath and I wasscreaming and I was like I just
shot, like, basically, a moose.
She's like you shot a moose.
She's like, no, no, like itlooks like a moose and all that.
(12:42):
She's like, oh, okay, becauseyou can't shoot moose.
I'm like I know.
I know that.
So I'm going back and I'm allfreaked out.
And then nobody else was aroundthat morning except for my
friend Cody Edgar.
So I called Cody, told him Isaid I might need some more
tracking.
Cody's like okay.
So we came right out, right onCody, he's off that.
So we get out.
So Cody comes out and it's justpouring rain still and I left my
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gun after I'd shot.
I put it back in the stand,yeah, so I left it there.
So Cody comes out, so we startlooking for the deer and I'm
just not thinking because youknow, I'm just thinking about
the deer and everything that'sgoing on and all that.
So I left my gun in there.
So we're like scouting aroundlooking and we're like, okay, we
can see where he's hit.
We're just following tracks.
We didn't see any blood at allbecause it's raining so hard and
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everything.
He didn't really bleed much.
So we see this blood or sorry,we see these tracks.
It looked like a bigger deerlike moved quick, not just the
does running like something youknow, I don't know if you want
to say flinched or whatever, butjust reaction.
You can see a bigger set ofhoofs, hoof marks.
So we follow that.
And then Cody's like looking inthrough the woods, he's like
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you got him.
I was like what he's like?
Yeah, he's like he's layingright there by that tree.
He said I think he's dead.
And then I couldn't see.
I was behind him, it was sothick.
And Cody's like oh no, he's up.
He's like he's gone right.
So I was like jeez.
So we quietly went over there,checked by the base of the tree.
Finally we found a bit of blood.
(14:07):
We're like it's good, darkblood.
We're like all right.
He said I'm like I couldn'tbelieve I didn't have the gun
with me.
So I run back to the tree,stand, grab the gun in case we
see him again, go back out andwe're looking and looking.
And then we go a bit furtherand then we come down to this
little I don't know, not avalley, but this little knoll or
whatever in the woods and thenthere he is laying right there.
But I was like I was realcautious.
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I was like get the gun all set.
I'm like I'll go in first andgive him a little tap and I was
like all right, he's officiallydead.
I was like holy shit, and yeah,that was pretty cool.
So you guys were all at work,remember?
I sent the picture to you andCody just snapped one quick,
like it was pouring rain.
I only have like two pictureswith this deer.
I think Some people take like awhole photo album Lane.
(14:50):
No, but I only have like two.
It was pouring rain and thisand that.
So I just sat there and Codyjust snapped a quick picture and
we're just like taking it allin Like wow, that picture turned
out.
It looked fake.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It did, running in the woods at the time running
equipment and I didn't haveservice, and I remember I got a
text from you, I got my firstbuck and it had the picture sent
through, but it wouldn't load.
Oh, and I'm wondering, all daywaiting for service.
I'm trying to find service allday, when it come through yeah
(15:23):
it wasn't fully loaded becauseit was blurry too, so it made it
even look even faker and I'mlike okay, can like you
photoshop this photo like good,one looked like it yeah and then
then you started sending mepictures.
Later on that day they comethrough of it laying in the back
of the truck.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm like, oh, you really did shoot that deer so we
ended up uh, I ended up hangingit at your you guys were living
home then hanging at yourparents house and stuff and then
, yeah, you guys got home fromwork, you and your brother and
your dad and everybody, andyou're like oh, wow yeah, it's
cool, I couldn't believe it,yeah, so that was pretty good,
that was surreal.
So I mean, that day that morningI got home, that was just shit
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luck.
I'll say that that wasn't skillor nothing, that was complete
shit luck.
But up until then I had put inmy time, I had hunted as much as
I could, and um, yeah, it wasjust picky and and all that and
uh, it paid off it.
Um is quite a deer and andreally happy and blessed uh to
have gotten them.
And uh, yeah, I still I'm stillnot a huge deer hunter.
(16:21):
Like, if I wake up in themorning it's real nice out.
If I wasn't already planning ondeer hunting, if I didn't get
up super early, I'm probablytaking the beagles out and
running snowshoe hare.
You know I like deer hunting, Ido.
And now that I'm doing the foodplots and management and stuff
like that, a little more deerhunting more.
But I mean I do like my smallgame hunting, I do like that.
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So the deer got scored and theofficial score on it net, what
it grossed but gross doesn'tmatter net was 154 and seven
eighths.
So it's a good size deer.
He had an 11th point on him.
That was quite big and thatthat knocked a lot of points off
, that deducted quite a bit.
And you know we, you talk topeople who have like a really
nice deer, big, beautiful buck,and you're looking at like, yeah
, it's not gonna score, well it,because they'll ask, you know
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you've looking at it like yeah,it's not going to score well,
Because they'll ask you knowyou've had it laying, like you
know that's going to scorepretty good.
It's like, well, no, becauseit's scored as a typical and
it's just it's not going to.
But some people get hung up onthat.
It's like you know you've got agreat deer, Don't worry about
it.
I mean, don't let it get to you, it does not matter.
You shoot a nice buck, that'sfine.
Absolutely, it doesn't matter.
(17:32):
If you're happy with it, Good,Be happy with it.
I don't care what it is, aslong as you took it legally.
But for some people, thescoring thing you know it's cool
to see and the fact that thereneeds to be why people don't
like the deductions and all that, there's got to be a line.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
A standard.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, there's got to be a standard and you guys have
it.
So, lane, why don't you take itfrom here and tell us a bit
about you got into, why did youget into the scoring and all
that for the New Brunswick BigGame Club.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, the main reason I got into it was because I was
struggling to find measures inmy area and to get certificates
printed and I knew a lot ofpeople that had animals scored
and they didn't have theircertificate.
And I said, well, no sense ofcomplaining about it when I can
help the problem.
So I kept messaging a couplepeople and I tried for a couple
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years to get a course lined up.
And then I got in contact witha guy and he said, if I can find
four or five other guys that'dbe willing to take the course
with me, that we could put oneon and to learn how to score yep
, well, we all.
He said he'd like for all of usto have the basics down, just to
save a lot of time because itwas only a one day course.
We, and all the guys that didit, had the basics down.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We wanted to go in like in a non-typical points and
splits and that all that.
Anyway, that's what the coursewas about.
But and it worked out, we did a, we did a course and this
spring and we actually did it atmy parents' place this spring
and we actually did it at myparents place.
It just worked out betterlocation wise for everyone else.
We found a week, saturday thatworked out for everybody, and I
had a bunch of guys from St Johncome down and we scored three
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or four deer, a couple moose andsome bear and went over some.
I brought some sheds out justfor different with splits and a
couple with a kicker and just togo over cover all the basics on
how to score different things.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Because I mean there's a little bit.
I mean there's a little bit toit.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah and a lot of deer.
They got little characteristicsthat score different and I
wanted to cover all my basicsthat's right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Um, yeah, so you guys scored.
So I didn't even know this tillyou told me, because when I was
out, uh, I talked about this onother podcasts about, uh, this
area that we coon hunt in andthe beaver had put up a dam.
So I asked the landowner.
I said do you mind if I go inthere and trap the beaver out,
because it's kind of hard to getacross, that you know coon
hunting?
He's like sure.
And then he talked to me aboutthese, this deer and deer.
(20:09):
He heard it might have beenjacked and apparently it's a
good size and all that.
And sure enough, we find thecarcass down there.
I mean, this is months afterdeer season, probably three.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oh, this was like February.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, our deer season ends in November, so it's a bit
after.
And we find it down there andsure enough, it was big, it was
a nice buck.
Shame, that's how it was taken.
But anyways, whoever shot itnever gets it.
So that's good because it wasjacked.
But yeah, I found it.
And then you said Lane, Ididn't know this.
In the big game book herethere's a category for pickups,
(20:41):
stuff that you find.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yep deadheads, we enter them.
It's not a different category.
It's in the same list asharvested animal.
It just says beside your namein brackets that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Pickup, pickup yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So you know, but it's not.
It doesn't have a separatecategory for just deadheads.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, so this one scored just over 144.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I can't remember it's the sheets right there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'll look quick.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, 144 and 5-8s.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's not bad.
And then I haven't hunted bearin uh a while black bear in the
spring here because uh, uh,since I started farming, you
know, six years ago, I've justbeen too busy in the spring
because I had sheep.
Now I have just all cows and Iwas always lambing in the spring
and it's just, it's just toobusy.
But this year at the cows theycalved on pastures way easier,
wasn't as busy.
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So I was able to hunt bearagain for the first time in six
years and I said I wanted to getone with my bow and I was
hoping to get it in theBrunswick record books and I had
some big ones come in that Icouldn't get to come in the
daylight.
And then, sure enough, thatnice one came in, nailed it with
the bow and he made the recordbook.
Yep.
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For here for 17 and 8, 16th, Idon't know it's behind you 17, 8
, 16th.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, because bears go to the nearest 16th of an
inch and deer and moose are theeighths so I'm lucky to have
three.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Uh, hoping, hoping for more.
But uh, so lane.
Why don't you tell us?
So run through each animalthat's in the record book and
what the minimum score is forrifle.
The minimum score is for rifle.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
The minimum score is for archery I knew you're gonna
ask me that and I have to doubleuh for deer, the the minimum
for open, which is muzzleloaderrifle crossbow, because uh, the
province doesn't acknowledgecrossbows as archery good
because we run off the boone andCrockett and Pope and Young
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scoring systems.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Okay, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And Pope and Young only counts vertical bows.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So, compounds long bows, like your traditional bows
and your compounds bows onlycount as archery See, that's the
only thing I don't care whatpeople take and what they take
it with, as long as they take itlegally count as archery.
See, that's the only thing.
I don't care what people takeand what they take it with, as
long as they take it legally.
But an abled-bodied persontrying to claim archery whatever
with a crossbow, I'm against.
It's got a scope, it's got atrigger.
You're able-bodied, practicewith compound or longbow or
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whatever, like everyone elsethat's doing it, and just do
that.
I don't like that.
I think it's cheating.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I've heard a couple guys try to enter crossbow kills
as archery.
No, just not knowing, justassuming because, they shot it
in archery season.
And then they got talking withthe measurer and they're like,
oh yeah, you shot that with acrossbow.
That's not an archery, that'sopen class.
Yeah, but for a minimal openclass it's 140 inches net.
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So after all your deductions,right and for your open
non-typical, it's 160.
Okay.
So if you have more than 15inches deduction, you can score
it as a non-typical.
You don't have to, becauseevery deer I think there's been
three in the world ever that hasnot had a typical frame.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I want to say three.
But every deer has a typicalframe.
Yes, it might not make it witha typical frame, but if it's got
yeah, I want to say 15 inchesyou can go.
You can score it as anon-typical.
But, it's going to be 160.
And then with archery in theprovince we run at 115 inches.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, that's not a massive deer at all.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And then non-typical for archery is 135.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Okay, yeah, so for bear.
You know I was surprised forbear, for Pope and Young,
because mine's 17, 8, 16.
It's not the big one I wasafter, but happy with him.
Good, clean bow kill.
I was really surprised at thepope and young's minimum for
black bears 18, 18.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I was like that's not that big really, that's pretty
decent size.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Bear though size.
But yeah, I was a littlesurprised uh.
So what is it for archery uh innew brunswick?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
uh 17 inches for archery in the province okay,
and then what about rifle or gun?
Open class is 19 inches 19?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Okay, yeah, that's not bad.
And then for moose.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Moose is 160 for open class and 140 for archery.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Okay, yeah, so do you have the record for the largest
open class whitetail taken inNew Brunswick.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Do I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Do you know it?
It's in the book somewhere, butis it up?
I haven't looked at the book ina little while.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
The biggest one ever shot in the province.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, it's well over 200 inches.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Is it?
Yeah, it's, 230 something 230something shot in New Brunswick.
Yeah, open class, that's huge.
Yeah, jeez, do you know whatyear, long time ago?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, so you've been scoring.
Now, what's the biggest buckyou've scored?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The biggest buck I scored net is it was a
non-typical, it was 185 inchesnon-typical.
Oh, it was a non-typical, itwas 185 inches non-typical.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh, it was non-typical, non-typical and its
typical gross score was 175.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Okay, that was open class.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yep, so people listen to this wondering tell us the
difference between someonebrings what's a typical,
non-typical whitetail, the rack.
How do do you what defines that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
because there's some people listening like I don't
know what they're talking aboutwell, you have the option too,
because I but if you have, everydeer has a typical frame which
is their, your main beams, yourg2s, g4s, so and so forth, and
they have to match per side.
So if you get an abnormal point, like if you get six on one
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side as in your case, looking atyour deer on the wall and five
on the other, the abnormal pointwould be that sixth point and
that counts as a deduction foryour final score.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So you measure that how long it is and use that
length to deduct.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and we got a first scoring system.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
So if my deer had broken that off, he would net
much higher.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, because that wouldn't have been a negative
yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think he was going to net almost 170 if it wasn't
for that I want to say.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
it was 166, I think it was Gross.
I can't remember.
Yeah, I can't remember.
It's been so long it's beenscored.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So that's how okay, so that's how you do it.
So what so people?
They can have an option.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yes, cause every like I've measured a couple deer.
That well, this big one that Igot it's non-typical scores one
85.
But his typical score is 175.
So he can enter it as a typicalor he can enter it as a
non-typical.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, okay, Because it made it for both.
It made the threshold becauseit made the 140 and the 160.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now some deer have make it only on the typical
score.
So if, like for yours, it madeit as a typical score is 154.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
The non-typical score didn't, because it's deductions
, yeah and it's not not verymany deer make non-typical but
yeah, for people listening, Iguess simplify it in a way.
Most deer that you see, youknow, say it's a, it's a 10
pointer, five points on one side, five points on the other.
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That's including your browtines and everything and both
sides look pretty similar.
That's typical, yep, and thenyour non-typical is that stuff
that looks like it went througha friggin.
Uh, it looks like those thingsthat grow off of trees what do
you call them that, which isbroom or whatever?
It's just a mess yep that'syour non-typical.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Any kickers off any of the tines or any splits.
Those are deductions.
Drop tines.
Any abnormalities is adeduction from your.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you guys are using the Boone and Crockett, pope
and Young scoring system.
This is the same across theworld, north America, north
America anyways.
You always hear that thing likewell, if you can put a wedding
ring on it, it counts.
What is that officially, though?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It has to be one inch it has to be one inch.
For deer.
For a moose it has to be longerthan it is wide.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Really Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because you see on top of their paddles a really
short, narrow point.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
All these nubs sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But if it's longer than it is, it still has to be
over an inch.
Oh it still has to be over aninch, yeah, but if it has a
gradual grade and it's threeinches wide at the cutoff and
it's only an inch and a half.
It doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so that's what it is for deer, though an inch,
yeah, because I know they saysay that you can hang a wedding
ring on it.
No, it's going to count.
Okay, all right, that makessense, and then?
So how do you do it for bearBears?
Is that probably the easiestscore?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Bears and cats are the same.
The skull is front to back andside to side, and then you add
the two.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, okay, alright, he wasn't real wide, but he's
long the score sheet's behindyou.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You can tell me your measurements.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna Like.
I said it's 17 and 8 sixteenthsand then Lane, so the
measurements were length, 11 and2 sixteenths, and then the
width was 6 and 6 sixteenths.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And then you just added 2.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, that's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So, Lane, you know you do this out of your own
pocket.
Yep, we pay you for.
You print up this very nice BigGame, Club Achievement Award,
presented Yep, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We pay what you charge $5 for that $5 just to
cover the ink cost think it'sreally nice, really well done.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And then you know but you're doing this, which is
great for the club.
You're not paid for this.
People are bringing you deer,moose, bear from all over any
time of the year.
Can you score this, can youscore that, can you score this,
can you score that?
And you do because you meetsome great people.
You get a great story out of it.
But it's nice that you do it outof your own time and pocket and
it just helps keep things likethis going right and no matter
what state, province, countryyou're in, it's good if you guys
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have a club like that.
Like I said, some people gettoo hung up on like, oh, I've
got a big deer, but I didn'tmake it because of these
deductions.
It's okay, be happy with yourdeer, but it's nice to have big
game clubs like this.
Just just like I said, you haveto have a standard, so not.
You know it's a club, so noteveryone can be in it, right and
um, it's just, it's just goodto have and just good to keep
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going.
You know anything to do with theoutdoors hunting, you know
let's keep that stuff going.
You kind of get into it twolane because a lot of the uh
club members in it.
Some of them are listening.
Possibly they're that arerunning it or they're not old.
They're're older.
I'll say that they're not old,but they're getting up there in
age.
So it's good to have peoplelike yourself, younger, getting
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into it and just kind of keepingthat going.
Like I said, anything to dowith the outdoors to keep it
going.
Any clubs you know.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Same with any club If you don't use it, you're going
to lose it.
I don't want to see this driftoff in the wind and just become
nothing anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, yeah, exactly, and it's nice to have and the
books are really well done.
Like I said, they'refull-colored pictures, lots in
there to look at, a lot ofpeople, not everyone, but you
can put a story in there andeverything.
It's quite thick, it's nice.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
If anyone's looking to get one.
How do they find it?
They can get a hold of you andyou can relay the message to me
or they can message me onfacebook or instagram and I run
the the new brunswick big gameclub instagram page.
You can message that page and Ican get a hold of you and work
out the details and try to getyou one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Right, yeah, if anyone wants to contact me, you
can on Facebook.
Ken Meyer or Hunts onOutfitting or huntsonoutfitting
at gmailcom Lane can ship it.
Anyways, he'll find a way He'llget it there.
But, like I said, it'sinteresting, even if you're not
from here and all that.
It's a great book.
It's cool to look through.
I mean, you're not from NovaScotia or anything.
You're flipping through that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh, I like to look through it.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I know in Maine I've got a friend in Maine.
They keep track of everything,even like the heaviest raccoon
and stuff like that and it'scool.
You know, it's reallyinteresting to hear about and
stuff I haven't looked lookedinto shipping to the states.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I know it's an option , I just don't know price-wise.
Well, how much are the books?
$25?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
$25.
So if you're buying from the US, your dollar is worth a lot
more than ours right now, sothat'd probably cover the
shipping, Do you think?
I know it's not big game, butwould they ever put turkey in
there?
We're working on it, ReallyOkay.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Now that there's an official season, we've been
looking into it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Really, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But I don't know how I have to look into some scoring
systems because I don't knowhow you totally measure them.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
If it's beard or it's spurs, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I know you'd have to look into that.
We have talked aboutpotentially putting it in the
book.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Okay, because I was curious about that.
I know it's not big game, but Idon't know if it's kind of
candid like big game in NewBrunswick.
I don't know, it's not, it's abird, but we're new to it here.
We're excited, had a greatturkey season this year, got two
hunters they're turkeys A lotof fun.
This is only our fourth year, Ithink, in New Brunswick with a
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turkey season.
It's a draw system.
It's kind of hard to get yourtag at the moment, but the
population's looking better, soit's neat.
And then what was it Speakingof big game scoring and all that
the Boone and Crockett, I thinkjust recognized back in
December I think it was Javelina, which are kind of like a wild
boar, just a little smaller.
So that's neat.
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It's just cool stuff like thatand knowing that these people
are working on doing this andthat with these clubs and just
keeping them in the spotlight ina good way.
What's your favorite animalscore?
You love it because you get tohave especially deer and moose
and all that.
But just people come to you andwant stuff scored.
But before you answer that, Igot another question did you
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score a bear recently?
That's not black yeah, I scored.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
A guy actually get brought a black bear for me to
score.
He made the record book and, uh, he said I'll be right back.
I got something to to show youand he brought me a polar bear
skull.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right, did he get you to score it?
It won't make it in NewBrunswick, obviously.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I couldn't score it because it was too big for my
caliper Really, and it maxes outat 15 inches.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And it was over.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, wow, and he said it wasn't a very big polar
bear skull.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Gee, because you can score.
Well.
I mean, you score for theBrunswick Big Game book, but
people can bring you stuff.
You can score it right.
You're not Boone and Crockett.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Not yet I'm looking into getting.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Well, yeah, how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I've been looking into getting a Boone and
Crockett official so I canofficially enter any North
American roasted animal, and Ihave to go to the States for
that for a couple weeks.
But I'm looking into it.
But you're looking into that?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
See, that'd be cool because so that way well, if
someone goes on a hunt, comeback, say that guy with the
polar bear and wants you toscore it, then you can
officially put it in for theBoone and Crockett which is it's
all North America, right?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yep, yeah, that's pretty neat, the polar bear
thing and he ended up giving mea claw as a keepsake.
He was very appreciative of mescoring his bear and it was a
big bear.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
He made the book and he gave me a claw there's lots
of polar bears because people,like you know, coca-cola is
going on.
They're extinct almost, butthey're not.
I mean, and the pictures I'veseen of them and stuff, people
hunting them, they're not skinnyeither.
Like they're not skinny either.
They're going on, these thingsthat are big and fat.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He works up to Nunavut is why?
Okay, he's in Nunavut and hesaid he sees them.
They're problematic bears andthey have to shoot them, because
this is when a bear getscomfortable around you and if it
wants you dead, you're dead.
There's no stopping aproblematic bear, so you have to
kill it right, yeah, theirpictures I've seen are huge.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You said the skull, like compared to the black bear,
was just crazy like nocomparison not even close.
Really, it looked fake jeez,yeah, that's pretty cool.
Um, yeah, so sorry.
What's your favorite animal toscore out of the three?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I'm gonna have to go with deer I just I just love
deer yeah and I mean it's themost popular that I've scored.
I've only scored a couple mooseand a handful of bear.
I just like, because I do itall in my house.
I just yeah, I don't, I'm notinto travel and I'm set up in
the basement with the printer.
Like I print the score sheetright off there for you and the
certificate and I haveeverything set up and it's just
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cool to come down and we'll talkhunting and well, they've got a
story they relive the wholestory it's pretty cool.
Listen back and it's pretty cool.
I measured.
I measured a couple deer thatthey were close coming in the
book and I always hide the scorebecause it adds it up as I'm
scoring on the computer, so Ihide it and then I scroll down
after and they were.
They just squeaked in, but theywere quite excited when I told
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them that they made the recordbook.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Like I said, there's some really nice deer and stuff
shot that don't make it becausethe deductions be happy with it.
But when you do make it in it'sa cool feeling too.
But, like I said, it's a clubIn clubs.
Not everyone can be in it.
That's right, but be happy withwhat you got.
And then, you never know, nextyear somebody that you know
couldn't make it in before mightget it.
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Just it's luck.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And it's nice, you know, to have a number to strive
for.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
To push yourself to aim towards at some point in
your career.
Said like, say with my deer, um, you know, putting lots of hard
work and all that beforeanother year is nothing, and
then that one's just I'd go usethe bathroom and see him, you
know.
But it just comes down to lucka lot of it.
Uh, unlike some other specieswhere it's, you know, really
skill and hard work anddedication.
I mean you do that with deertoo, especially with me.
Now I've been putting in a lotmore scouting and like putting
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the food plots up and this andthat and just putting a lot more
boots on the ground.
Um, you too, lane, you're allover.
Yeah, hunting for them stuff,let's think you know, when
someone's coming to bring you ananimal score, they're gonna
have a story.
You guys gonna have a chat, youknow um it's.
Uh, some people want you to goto them though.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Hey, I know you don't I don't even give them the
option.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
No well, well, like I said, you're doing this your
own time, printing up this, allthat form they should come to
you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
We are looking at putting some booths in at some
shows in the next year forpeople that are unable to make
it to my place.
I think we're putting a boothin at the sportsman show in
Moncton this spring and we planon going to the United Guides
and Outfitters show in January.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And we're going to put a booth on there and we're
going to put a post on ahead oftime and say there's been one at
Chipman before the ChipmanSportsman Show.
Yeah, I was unable to go tothat one, but we had a booth
there and I guess they said itwas a really good turnout.
They were scoring nonstop allday.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So we plan on having a nice booth with a big backdrop
set up and we're going to liketo put some mounts on display,
something to catch the eye yeah,because a couple years ago they
had one at the guy's outfittershow and it was lined up there
all day.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
We were there with our friend that got his deer
scored and it was yeah, you'reright, it was busy, holy cow.
And that's the other greatthing about this.
Is people just curious.
We had a friend last year atthe Chipman Show, morgan.
He had this old rack of antlersthat they had in their camp.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Those grandfathers or uncles Relative of his Shot
shot many, many years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And, uh, he brought that in to get scored, which is,
you know, that's cool, justcurious, right, it's neat, just
to see you know what would thisscore, just stuff like that.
It's uh, it's fun, yep.
And even if it doesn't make it,then you get to see like, oh
wow, this deer, I didn't thinkit's that big and still scored
you know 110 or whatever, right,and uh, yeah, and there, yeah,
and there's no timeline ongetting scored.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
A guy can score.
If you have an old rack of yourgrandfather's that he shot in
the 80s, I can still score andenter it.
Yep, as long as it's after its60-day drying period.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I can score, yeah, so that's another thing, right?
Yeah, that we didn't touch on.
It's got to be dried for 60days 60 days, since they shrink
a little.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Some do, some don't.
Every deer bear, everything'sdifferent.
My bear actually grew a 16th ofan inch from its green score.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
What Must have been watering it?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
He got it green, scored at 19 and 10 16ths and it
officially scored at 19 and 11sixteenths and then officially
scored at 19 and 11 sixteenths.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Really yeah, huh, that's different.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's why when I scored yours I didn't know how
much and it was close, I justroughly scored yours and I knew
it was just over 17.
Yeah, and you were like, oh,what a score.
I'm like I'm not telling youuntil 60 days is up, just in
case.
I didn't want to get your hopesup Like, oh, it's over 17,.
Then it dries and it's under 16or under 17.
You don't make it I didn't wantto get your hopes up.
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And then I just randomly, Ijust printed your certificate
off and sent you the picture.
I'm like how does this look?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You're like, oh yeah, that's right.
No, I was happy.
Yeah, like I said, it's neat.
But yeah, what other things?
There's no other bigstipulations or anything with it
, right?
But yeah, it's got to be 60days dry and stuff it's got to
be legally shot and tagged.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And I mean it's hard to prove, but if I do have
speculation that it was legallyshot.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I can't enter it.
If someone is First Nations andthey are allowed to shoot deer
and moose and stuff out of theregular season, are they allowed
to enter it?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
No, I can score it, but I can't enter it Right
Because it has to be tagged Now.
If they bought a license and atag, then I can score it, but I
can't enter it Right Because ithas to be tagged Now if they
bought a license and a tag, thenI can't.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
But that would have to be shot within season.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Within the season.
I have to have.
No matter who it is, they haveto bring a tag with them.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right, because in New Brunswick our move season has
been extended to five days.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It used to be three Three.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It's five days now, so it's not a very long time,
but if somebody you know, firstNations native person, shoots
one outside of that five daysthough you can score it.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I can still score it for them, but I'm not allowed to
enter it in the book.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That's fair, right.
I hope you get your Boone andCrockett scoring thing because
that'll be cool.
If you just think about theunique animals, there's a few
people around the area with somedeep pockets who have been
fortunate enough to go on somehunts from all over the world
and it'd be neat to be able tohave those people start bringing
you stuff to score.
You know, like I said, likethat polar bear, or you have
somebody bring you an elk or amusk, ox, something, right.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
My dream is to score a caribou.
I'd love to score a caribou.
Okay, yeah, a big one with abig shovel on the front.
I don't actually know how to doit, but I've got a book to yes,
well, tell us about your book,Lane.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You brought a book with you.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, I just wanted to talk to you about a bunch of
different stuff, but I got itthrough the club Just one sec.
Yeah, it's actually from Booneand Crockett's official site and
it runs through Pope and Youngas well, but it shows me how to
officially score every animal in.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
North America.
What's the title of it?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Lane how to score a North American big game.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's pretty cool because before the podcast we
were going.
I'm going on a bighorn sheephunt with a friend of mine in
September in Alberta.
So you're on there.
It shows you how to score allthat and cats and everything
Every big game animal in NorthAmerica Like the title says
Muskox is in this Pronghorncaribou, whitetail and coos,
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deer Cows as some people call it, roosevelt elk.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
They're all.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
the North American Grand Slam, or Super Slam as
some people call it, likeRoosevelt elk, they're all.
Well, there's two.
What is it?
The North American Grand Slamor Super Slam?
Is it 29?
I think it's 29 big gameanimals to complete that.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think it's 28 now, because they took polar bear off
it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
They took them off.
Yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Because non-residents aren't allowed to hunt them
anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
So if you're not a resident of one of the Northwest
Territories or Nunavut, youcan't shoot one.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So it pretty well makes it impossible to get your—
that's the only place.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
The polar bears are In North America.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
What about—because I know it's on that list Is Walrus
in there.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It's in this book somewhere.
Is it Okay?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
because I know they are part of the North American
Super Slam.
That's an animal you don'tthink about much, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I want to look it up, because I actually don't even.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well, you should just measure the big old tusks on
them.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, so you go right from the middle of the eye
socket down all the way acrossthe front of the tusk to the tip
and then you do four massmeasurements.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, lane, appreciate you coming on.
Thanks for having me.
If anyone's curious, I don'tcare where you're from.
It's a great book the NewBrunswick Big Game 5th Edition
book.
You guys are working on the 6thEdition.
People have been asking when'sthat going to come out.
You got a rough timeline.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I don't have a timeline, but I'm it's a lot of
work.
It's a lot of work and it's alot of money.
We still have a lot of fiftheditions to get rid of.
We'd like to push them outbefore we start on the sixth.
And I've been going slowly,going through the record book
system on the computer, readingeverything, going over
everything.
I, the record book system onthe computer, reading everything
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, going over everything, I founda couple errors we need to fix
and we should be close.
But we wanted 500 entries sincethe last book and the last book
was 2016?
.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So we would like 500 entries.
We should be close.
It's not already there.
But if you get an animal thatyou think might make the record
book reach, hit up lane lewis orthe new brunswick big game club
on facebook or instagram and ifyou do have a record book,
there's a a list on the front ofall the measures in the
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province and it'll show youtheir number, their email and
their location oh yeah yeah, soyou can find the nearest one.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's a nice book too.
They're all hardcover.
Yep, they're all hardcoverbooks Like uh it's, it's nice,
it's good, it's fun.
If you're bored during thewinter or something, just flip
through, read some stories, seesome critters, you know Uh.
this is hunts on outfitting podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken meyer.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
associated with it, from storiesto how to's.
You'll find it here.
Welcome to the podcast.
All right, thanks for listeningin to this week's episode of
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the podcast.
We appreciate it, as always.
Um, you know, we, uh, we've gota great one for you.
I got, uh, my friends sittingacross from elaine and we're
going to talk about, uh, I'mfinally going to tell my deer
story because I know people haveseen pictures of it and this
and that and, uh, I've just beenwaiting, I guess.
But I was like you know what?
I going to tell my deer storybecause I know people have seen
pictures of it and this and that.
I've just been waiting, I guess.
But I was like you know what?
I'm going to tell my deer story.
Some people were curious Lane,you're going to be talking to us
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about a big game club, notyours, it's a province's big
game club.
We're excited.
Also, a friend of mine wastalking.
He got this dog and the doghe's feeding it a Nook Shook and
he wanted the Marine blend,which is great.
And I was like, why do you wantthe Marine blend.
Like you know, you can get theother blend too.
He's like well, he said thebreed that he has is more prone
(01:14):
to having allergies or somethingto some of the chicken things
like that.
I guess that's that breed.
I was like never thought ofthat.
So the Marine blend uh comes inhandy.
So I mean some of you guysthinking you want a variety and
all that, it's uh, it's got thevariety for you.
It's a one-stop shop.
You just find a uh reseller,trusted reseller, online on
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their website.
Put in your area code andthey're going to show you who's
around you 800, over 800 acrossNorth America.
Um, also, have you everconsidered if a Zempik is right
for you?
No, we're not sponsored by aZempik Lane.
Before we got started, too, youwere looking at the Canadian
access to firearms.
(01:56):
I was it's like a newsletter.
It's a magazine newsletter.
What did you think of it?
It's pretty neat.
Lots of guns.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I was surprised.
Everything was in it, from gunsto fishing equipment to scopes,
to ammo.
Deer pictures in there, it waseverything.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Everything and it ships goes right to your house
and it's going to keep you up todate for you Canadians on
what's going on in the gun world, shows coming up, new gear, all
that stuff.
So it's great, lots of goodarticles in it.
Lane, thanks for coming out.
I'm going to try to tell astory about my deer.
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I always ask for people fortheir stories on here and I'm
going to try to give it a gomyself, see if I can tell one as
good as my guests do Before weget started.
Lane, you've been on here quitea few times before, but for
those listening in for the firsttime, who are you?
Where are you from?
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
My name's Lane Lewis, I'm from Havelock, new
Brunswick, and I work for theCity of Moncton.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're in Canada.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In Canada.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, excellent, all right Lane.
So I've been very blessed andfortunate to have several things
in the New Brunswick recordbook.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Officially three now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Officially three, but we're going to get started.
I'm going to tell the storyabout my first one and then
we're going to get into how yougot going with this.
The scoring, what New Brunswickwants, minimum for archery, for
uh, for gun, what's accepted,what's not, all that, and it
doesn't matter where you'relistening to this, from what
province, what state, whatcountry.
(03:30):
It's kind of interesting.
And I mean, you know, eventhough we're going to talk about
some of the animals in therefrom, say, new brunswick uh,
lane, you ship the book all over.
You can ship the book to anyonethat wants it.
I mean, you've got the one fromnova scotia.
If somebody came to you andsaid, lane, I've got this great
offer, you can ship the book toanyone that wants it.
I mean, you've got the one fromNova Scotia.
If somebody came to you andsaid, lane, I've got this great
offer, you can get the Iowarecord book, which you'd
probably be interested.
Yep, you know just curious tosee you know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, actually, when I get the one from Nova Scotia
it was a buddy of mine and wetraded I shipped him a Redskins
one and he shipped me a NovaScotia one yeah you know it's
interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And then you know your guys' books are really well
put together.
You've got colored pictures.
Some people have stories andall that.
It's thick.
There's deer, moose, bear in it.
It's pretty interesting, it'sgood to look at.
So my deer story.
Well, where do I begin?
It's 1993.
No, so there I was standingthere, deer to my left, deer to
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my right, one bullet left andthat's all I needed.
No, so I'm going to start offby saying so, like a lot of
people, hunting deer growing upI did when I could, but working,
you know, when you're youngeryou're really eager to work all
the time, make some money, andthat really kept interfering
(04:43):
with my hunting, deer hunting inparticular.
I could always get out for someduck hunting and you know some
small game stuff right.
But with that deer hunting Iwas always kind of picky, maybe
because I used to get the BigBuck magazine, you know, I
remember that and I think mystandards were like really high
Because I didn't want to shoot.
You know, a smaller one.
So I was like, oh you know,know, anyone can shoot that.
(05:05):
And I was just picky for a lotof years, said I think it had a
lot to do with reading thatmagazine and stuff.
But uh, you know, it's good tohave standards, I suppose.
And uh, I, um, I did.
I'd hunted deer a lot, a lotbefore when I could.
Definitely, like I said, I wasjust picky, uh, but I never
considered myself a deer hunterper se.
(05:27):
I hunt deer.
I get bored easily.
I don't want to sit in a standand I do some.
That's a lot of the deerhunting is done around here.
I like walking and I'd see alot of deer walking.
Some people find they scarethem off and all that walking.
I would see I'd see just asmany walking as I would from the
stand.
But I don't know, I just gotbored, get bored with it.
But uh, I was working at westand I actually had some time for
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for deer season and I've beenfrustrated up until that year,
quite frustrated the past few.
I had some close calls, somebig bucks I was after and all
that.
Nothing really came through.
So I was like, well, if I don'tget a deer this year, like I'm
just freaking done.
No, it wasn't quite that bad.
I was getting a little.
I wasn't enjoying it as much, Iguess.
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So then I got a new gun.
I got it out in Alberta becausethe taxes were cheaper there,
so it was great.
I remember asking we're stayingat a hotel there for work and I
asked the hotel owner managerat first I'm like.
I said if I buy a gun, can Ibring it back here?
I said because I'm going to flyhome with it, just figured I'd
ask you know if someone brings agun into a hotel.
He's like sure.
(06:29):
I said just don't be waving itaround to everybody.
Of course I didn't listen andthat's why I don't have that gun
anymore and a criminal recordno, I'm just kidding.
So I did get that gun, flew ithome and I I wanted one last big
game rifle for New Brunswick.
So you know we're hunting bear,deer, moose and this gun has
taken all of them.
And I was looking at a lot ofdifferent guns and I settled on
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the Browning X-Bolt.
I got the full synthetic, I gotthe 22-inch barrel and I got it
in a 7mm 08.
The thing shoots reallyaccurately.
It's so light.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Extremely.
I've shot with you and it'sdead on.
It attacks at 100 yards.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Easy oh easy.
The trigger has just that hair.
You breathe on it.
It should go off.
The gun's nice and comfortable.
If you want to sit in a stand,it's great for that.
If you want to go trampingthrough the woods, I like doing
that, it's great for that.
It's short and it's tough andit has taken a moose and it's
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taken a few deer and severalbear.
Yeah, I really like that gun alot.
And you know, detachable clipand I'm shooting the Browning
BXR I can't remember exactly,it's the rapid expansion bullets
.
Have you seen like I think thefirst bear shot with it?
You're like holy shit, it madea mess, it blew the shoulder
apart.
You know, I think the firstbear shot with it.
You're like holy shit, it madea mess, blew the shoulder apart.
For you know, the 7mm 08 wouldbe considered a smaller gun, yep
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, smaller gun.
Really so anyways, I love it.
So then, yeah, so I had thehunting deer and I didn't have
anything on camera.
I've always been an occasionalcamera user.
This year I got on the.
This spring I got on the old uhcell cam train, like it good on
that wagon, staying on thatwagon.
I used it for turkey.
Hunting is great scouting thenbear season worked really well
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for that you jumped right in.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You didn't just dip your toes and I went from nine
to three or four.
Now, yeah, yeah, I love it Ijust like these things are.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They are valuable because, uh, I've gotten a
little more into deer huntingwith the food plot and
everything.
I like doing that more than dohunting.
Honestly, some of the deer justmanaging it, you know, working
the ground, putting stuff in,trimming around the apple trees,
putting cameras up, seeingwhat's going on.
Yeah, I enjoy that part of itquite a bit because it's busy
and I like to be busy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I don't like relaxing too much, but yeah, that year I
uh I only had a little sixpoint on camera, but again I
didn't have much out.
So remember I was, it was.
I got up that morning morning Igot my buck and it was just
pouring rain and it was warm,and what time was.
Were we in november lane?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think we're close I want to say it was the third
week of rifle season, so likethat, right around Remembrance
Day.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, and it was just oddly warm and just pouring
like just a beat hell.
So I got up that morning.
I was like I wasn't even goingto go out.
I was like, oh no, screw it,I'll go.
So I got my for you Canadianslistening, who know this place
got my Tim Hortons coffee andyou'll know this place got my
Tim Hortons coffee.
And you know, I screwed up thatmorning.
Normally I get two milk insteadof two cream, but I got two
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cream.
And just remember that partbecause this comes back into the
story later.
So I get out there and as I'mhunting I'm just sitting in the
stand.
I was sitting looking at alogging road and it's about 125
yards away, roughly.
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So there I'm watching, it'sjust pouring rain and all that,
and then all of a sudden I heara knocking and it's nature and
it's calling and I was like crap, that cream is coming back to
haunt me and I was like, ah jeez, I've got to go use the
bathroom.
So I'm up in the stand.
I was like, well, I'll justleave my gun here and I'll race
(10:12):
back to my parents' house andyou know, use the bathroom, come
back out, hunt a bit longer,because I don't know what time
it was in the morning, it was 9o'clock probably or something.
I was like I'll hunt a littlelonger.
I don't like sitting too long,but just with it raining that
much, I was like whatever.
And um, yeah, so I'm like Ileft my gun out there.
I'm going down the ladder, thenI see these does are out in the
field like way down.
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I'm like, oh, there's some doesthere.
And then all of a sudden I seethis other big body deer, lift
its head up and turn and it justlooked like a moose.
I'm like holy shit.
So I, uh, I couldn't believe itjust looked like a moose.
I'm like holy shit, so Icouldn't believe it.
It's just huge.
It looked like something out ofa freaking you know magazine.
And then I was like, is thiscrazy?
This is happening.
I was like, well, let me do amental checklist real quick.
(10:55):
It's deer season.
Yeah, I'm deer hunting, yeah,and there's a giant buck down
there.
Yeah, and I don, there's agiant buck down there, yeah,
then I'll have my gun.
So I like carefully get back upand the buck was eating somebody
.
He was you know, he was ruttingpretty hard.
He's paying attention to thedoes.
So the does.
They were kind of onto me, thebuck didn't care at all.
So then I quickly get up there,come back down, get the gun.
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And then, uh, I up the ladder.
I just kind of reached in,grabbed the gun, came down
because I figured if I wentright up into the tree, stand
and you know moving right upthere, they'd see me.
So then, um, I get it and thedoes were like starting to look
around, but it wasn't too badyet, and then I just kind of
ducked down and then there wasgrass and some branches around
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me so I was like I gotta standup.
So I stood up and then they sawme.
And then they saw me and thenthey take off and I had nothing
to rest the gun on at all.
And, uh, this is where that hairpin trigger comes in handy,
because if that trigger had anykind of pull at all 100 I think
it would have missed.
So the buck started going withthem and I was like he was he
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wasn't running, but he wasmoving and I normally, you know,
wouldn't shoot big game animalon the move.
But I was like I felt good init and he's shot.
And then it looked like he'shit, but I couldn't quite tell
him they're just gone and thatwas it and I was like holy shit,
so I just, like you know, kindof freaked out, breathing a bit
and then I was like I'm gonnawait, I'm gonna go back to the
house and grab some dry clothesand shit myself or whatever.
(12:20):
Sorry, whatever I had to do anduh, I'll just give him some
time.
So I'm like running back and Iremember I called my wife.
She was on her way to work andI called her.
I'm like screaming.
She thought I was gettingchased by a bear because I was
all out of breath and I wasscreaming and I was like I just
shot, like, basically, a moose.
She's like you shot a moose.
She's like, no, no, like itlooks like a moose and all that.
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She's like, oh, okay, becauseyou can't shoot moose.
I'm like I know.
I know that.
So I'm going back and I'm allfreaked out.
And then nobody else was aroundthat morning except for my
friend Cody Edgar.
So I called Cody, told him Isaid I might need some more
tracking.
Cody's like okay.
So we came right out, right onCody, he's off that.
So we get out.
So Cody comes out and it's justpouring rain still and I left my
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gun after I'd shot.
I put it back in the stand,yeah, so I left it there.
So Cody comes out, so we startlooking for the deer and I'm
just not thinking because youknow, I'm just thinking about
the deer and everything that'sgoing on and all that.
So I left my gun in there.
So we're like scouting aroundlooking and we're like, okay, we
can see where he's hit.
We're just following tracks.
We didn't see any blood at allbecause it's raining so hard and
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everything.
He didn't really bleed much.
So we see this blood or sorry,we see these tracks.
It looked like a bigger deerlike moved quick, not just the
does running like something youknow, I don't know if you want
to say flinched or whatever, butjust reaction.
You can see a bigger set ofhoofs, hoof marks.
So we follow that.
And then Cody's like looking inthrough the woods, he's like
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you got him.
I was like what he's like?
Yeah, he's like he's layingright there by that tree.
He said I think he's dead.
And then I couldn't see.
I was behind him, it was sothick.
And Cody's like oh no, he's up.
He's like he's gone right.
So I was like jeez.
So we quietly went over there,checked by the base of the tree.
Finally we found a bit of blood.
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We're like it's good, darkblood.
We're like all right.
He said I'm like I couldn'tbelieve I didn't have the gun
with me.
So I run back to the tree,stand, grab the gun in case we
see him again, go back out andwe're looking and looking.
And then we go a bit furtherand then we come down to this
little I don't know, not avalley, but this little knoll or
whatever in the woods and thenthere he is laying right there.
But I was like I was realcautious.
(14:27):
I was like get the gun all set.
I'm like I'll go in first andgive him a little tap and I was
like all right, he's officiallydead.
I was like holy shit, and yeah,that was pretty cool.
So you guys were all at work,remember?
I sent the picture to you andCody just snapped one quick,
like it was pouring rain.
I only have like two pictureswith this deer.
I think Some people take like awhole photo album Lane.
(14:50):
No, but I only have like two.
It was pouring rain and thisand that.
So I just sat there and Codyjust snapped a quick picture and
we're just like taking it allin Like wow, that picture turned
out.
It looked fake.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It did, running in the woods at the time running
equipment and I didn't haveservice, and I remember I got a
text from you, I got my firstbuck and it had the picture sent
through, but it wouldn't load.
Oh, and I'm wondering, all daywaiting for service.
I'm trying to find service allday, when it come through yeah
(15:23):
it wasn't fully loaded becauseit was blurry too, so it made it
even look even faker and I'mlike okay, can like you
photoshop this photo like good,one looked like it yeah and then
then you started sending mepictures.
Later on that day they comethrough of it laying in the back
of the truck.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm like, oh, you really did shoot that deer so we
ended up uh, I ended up hangingit at your you guys were living
home then hanging at yourparents house and stuff and then
, yeah, you guys got home fromwork, you and your brother and
your dad and everybody, andyou're like oh, wow yeah, it's
cool, I couldn't believe it,yeah, so that was pretty good,
that was surreal.
So I mean, that day that morningI got home, that was just shit
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luck.
I'll say that that wasn't skillor nothing, that was complete
shit luck.
But up until then I had put inmy time, I had hunted as much as
I could, and um, yeah, it wasjust picky and and all that and
uh, it paid off it.
Um is quite a deer and andreally happy and blessed uh to
have gotten them.
And uh, yeah, I still I'm stillnot a huge deer hunter.
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Like, if I wake up in themorning it's real nice out.
If I wasn't already planning ondeer hunting, if I didn't get
up super early, I'm probablytaking the beagles out and
running snowshoe hare.
You know I like deer hunting, Ido.
And now that I'm doing the foodplots and management and stuff
like that, a little more deerhunting more.
But I mean I do like my smallgame hunting, I do like that.
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So the deer got scored and theofficial score on it net, what
it grossed but gross doesn'tmatter net was 154 and seven
eighths.
So it's a good size deer.
He had an 11th point on him.
That was quite big and thatthat knocked a lot of points off
, that deducted quite a bit.
And you know we, you talk topeople who have like a really
nice deer, big, beautiful buck,and you're looking at like, yeah
, it's not gonna score, well it,because they'll ask, you know
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you've looking at it like yeah,it's not going to score well,
Because they'll ask you knowyou've had it laying, like you
know that's going to scorepretty good.
It's like, well, no, becauseit's scored as a typical and
it's just it's not going to.
But some people get hung up onthat.
It's like you know you've got agreat deer, Don't worry about
it.
I mean, don't let it get to you, it does not matter.
You shoot a nice buck, that'sfine.
Absolutely, it doesn't matter.
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If you're happy with it, Good,Be happy with it.
I don't care what it is, aslong as you took it legally.
But for some people, thescoring thing you know it's cool
to see and the fact that thereneeds to be why people don't
like the deductions and all that, there's got to be a line.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
A standard.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, there's got to be a standard and you guys have
it.
So, lane, why don't you take itfrom here and tell us a bit
about you got into, why did youget into the scoring and all
that for the New Brunswick BigGame Club.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, the main reason I got into it was because I was
struggling to find measures inmy area and to get certificates
printed and I knew a lot ofpeople that had animals scored
and they didn't have theircertificate.
And I said, well, no sense ofcomplaining about it when I can
help the problem.
So I kept messaging a couplepeople and I tried for a couple
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years to get a course lined up.
And then I got in contact witha guy and he said, if I can find
four or five other guys that'dbe willing to take the course
with me, that we could put oneon and to learn how to score yep
, well, we all.
He said he'd like for all of usto have the basics down, just to
save a lot of time because itwas only a one day course.
We, and all the guys that didit, had the basics down.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We wanted to go in like in a non-typical points and
splits and that all that.
Anyway, that's what the coursewas about.
But and it worked out, we did a, we did a course and this
spring and we actually did it atmy parents' place this spring
and we actually did it at myparents place.
It just worked out betterlocation wise for everyone else.
We found a week, saturday thatworked out for everybody, and I
had a bunch of guys from St Johncome down and we scored three
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or four deer, a couple moose andsome bear and went over some.
I brought some sheds out justfor different with splits and a
couple with a kicker and just togo over cover all the basics on
how to score different things.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Because I mean there's a little bit.
I mean there's a little bit toit.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah and a lot of deer.
They got little characteristicsthat score different and I
wanted to cover all my basicsthat's right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Um, yeah, so you guys scored.
So I didn't even know this tillyou told me, because when I was
out, uh, I talked about this onother podcasts about, uh, this
area that we coon hunt in andthe beaver had put up a dam.
So I asked the landowner.
I said do you mind if I go inthere and trap the beaver out,
because it's kind of hard to getacross, that you know coon
hunting?
He's like sure.
And then he talked to me aboutthese, this deer and deer.
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He heard it might have beenjacked and apparently it's a
good size and all that.
And sure enough, we find thecarcass down there.
I mean, this is months afterdeer season, probably three.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oh, this was like February.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, our deer season ends in November, so it's a bit
after.
And we find it down there andsure enough, it was big, it was
a nice buck.
Shame, that's how it was taken.
But anyways, whoever shot itnever gets it.
So that's good because it wasjacked.
But yeah, I found it.
And then you said Lane, Ididn't know this.
In the big game book herethere's a category for pickups,
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stuff that you find.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yep deadheads, we enter them.
It's not a different category.
It's in the same list asharvested animal.
It just says beside your namein brackets that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Pickup, pickup yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So you know, but it's not.
It doesn't have a separatecategory for just deadheads.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, so this one scored just over 144.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I can't remember it's the sheets right there.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'll look quick.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, 144 and 5-8s.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it's not bad.
And then I haven't hunted bearin uh a while black bear in the
spring here because uh, uh,since I started farming, you
know, six years ago, I've justbeen too busy in the spring
because I had sheep.
Now I have just all cows and Iwas always lambing in the spring
and it's just, it's just toobusy.
But this year at the cows theycalved on pastures way easier,
wasn't as busy.
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So I was able to hunt bearagain for the first time in six
years and I said I wanted to getone with my bow and I was
hoping to get it in theBrunswick record books and I had
some big ones come in that Icouldn't get to come in the
daylight.
And then, sure enough, thatnice one came in, nailed it with
the bow and he made the recordbook.
Yep.
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For here for 17 and 8, 16th, Idon't know it's behind you 17, 8
, 16th.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, because bears go to the nearest 16th of an
inch and deer and moose are theeighths so I'm lucky to have
three.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Uh, hoping, hoping for more.
But uh, so lane.
Why don't you tell us?
So run through each animalthat's in the record book and
what the minimum score is forrifle.
The minimum score is for rifle.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
The minimum score is for archery I knew you're gonna
ask me that and I have to doubleuh for deer, the the minimum
for open, which is muzzleloaderrifle crossbow, because uh, the
province doesn't acknowledgecrossbows as archery good
because we run off the boone andCrockett and Pope and Young
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scoring systems.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Okay, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And Pope and Young only counts vertical bows.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So, compounds long bows, like your traditional bows
and your compounds bows onlycount as archery See, that's the
only thing I don't care whatpeople take and what they take
it with, as long as they take itlegally count as archery.
See, that's the only thing.
I don't care what people takeand what they take it with, as
long as they take it legally.
But an abled-bodied persontrying to claim archery whatever
with a crossbow, I'm against.
It's got a scope, it's got atrigger.
You're able-bodied, practicewith compound or longbow or
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whatever, like everyone elsethat's doing it, and just do
that.
I don't like that.
I think it's cheating.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I've heard a couple guys try to enter crossbow kills
as archery.
No, just not knowing, justassuming because, they shot it
in archery season.
And then they got talking withthe measurer and they're like,
oh yeah, you shot that with acrossbow.
That's not an archery, that'sopen class.
Yeah, but for a minimal openclass it's 140 inches net.
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So after all your deductions,right and for your open
non-typical, it's 160.
Okay.
So if you have more than 15inches deduction, you can score
it as a non-typical.
You don't have to, becauseevery deer I think there's been
three in the world ever that hasnot had a typical frame.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I want to say three.
But every deer has a typicalframe.
Yes, it might not make it witha typical frame, but if it's got
yeah, I want to say 15 inchesyou can go.
You can score it as anon-typical.
But, it's going to be 160.
And then with archery in theprovince we run at 115 inches.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, that's not a massive deer at all.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And then non-typical for archery is 135.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Okay, yeah, so for bear.
You know I was surprised forbear, for Pope and Young,
because mine's 17, 8, 16.
It's not the big one I wasafter, but happy with him.
Good, clean bow kill.
I was really surprised at thepope and young's minimum for
black bears 18, 18.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I was like that's not that big really, that's pretty
decent size.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Bear though size.
But yeah, I was a littlesurprised uh.
So what is it for archery uh innew brunswick?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
uh 17 inches for archery in the province okay,
and then what about rifle or gun?
Open class is 19 inches 19?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Okay, yeah, that's not bad.
And then for moose.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Moose is 160 for open class and 140 for archery.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Okay, yeah, so do you have the record for the largest
open class whitetail taken inNew Brunswick.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Do I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Do you know it?
It's in the book somewhere, butis it up?
I haven't looked at the book ina little while.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
The biggest one ever shot in the province.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, it's well over 200 inches.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Is it?
Yeah, it's, 230 something 230something shot in New Brunswick.
Yeah, open class, that's huge.
Yeah, jeez, do you know whatyear, long time ago?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, so you've been scoring.
Now, what's the biggest buckyou've scored?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The biggest buck I scored net is it was a
non-typical, it was 185 inchesnon-typical.
Oh, it was a non-typical, itwas 185 inches non-typical.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh, it was non-typical, non-typical and its
typical gross score was 175.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Okay, that was open class.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yep, so people listen to this wondering tell us the
difference between someonebrings what's a typical,
non-typical whitetail, the rack.
How do do you what defines that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
because there's some people listening like I don't
know what they're talking aboutwell, you have the option too,
because I but if you have, everydeer has a typical frame which
is their, your main beams, yourg2s, g4s, so and so forth, and
they have to match per side.
So if you get an abnormal point, like if you get six on one
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side as in your case, looking atyour deer on the wall and five
on the other, the abnormal pointwould be that sixth point and
that counts as a deduction foryour final score.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So you measure that how long it is and use that
length to deduct.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and we got a first scoring system.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
So if my deer had broken that off, he would net
much higher.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, because that wouldn't have been a negative
yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think he was going to net almost 170 if it wasn't
for that I want to say.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
it was 166, I think it was Gross.
I can't remember.
Yeah, I can't remember.
It's been so long it's beenscored.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So that's how okay, so that's how you do it.
So what so people?
They can have an option.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yes, cause every like I've measured a couple deer.
That well, this big one that Igot it's non-typical scores one
85.
But his typical score is 175.
So he can enter it as a typicalor he can enter it as a
non-typical.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, okay, Because it made it for both.
It made the threshold becauseit made the 140 and the 160.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now some deer have make it only on the typical
score.
So if, like for yours, it madeit as a typical score is 154.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
The non-typical score didn't, because it's deductions
, yeah and it's not not verymany deer make non-typical but
yeah, for people listening, Iguess simplify it in a way.
Most deer that you see, youknow, say it's a, it's a 10
pointer, five points on one side, five points on the other.
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That's including your browtines and everything and both
sides look pretty similar.
That's typical, yep, and thenyour non-typical is that stuff
that looks like it went througha friggin.
Uh, it looks like those thingsthat grow off of trees what do
you call them that, which isbroom or whatever?
It's just a mess yep that'syour non-typical.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Any kickers off any of the tines or any splits.
Those are deductions.
Drop tines.
Any abnormalities is adeduction from your.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you guys are using the Boone and Crockett, pope
and Young scoring system.
This is the same across theworld, north America, north
America anyways.
You always hear that thing likewell, if you can put a wedding
ring on it, it counts.
What is that officially, though?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It has to be one inch it has to be one inch.
For deer.
For a moose it has to be longerthan it is wide.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Really Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because you see on top of their paddles a really
short, narrow point.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
All these nubs sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But if it's longer than it is, it still has to be
over an inch.
Oh it still has to be over aninch, yeah, but if it has a
gradual grade and it's threeinches wide at the cutoff and
it's only an inch and a half.
It doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so that's what it is for deer, though an inch,
yeah, because I know they saysay that you can hang a wedding
ring on it.
No, it's going to count.
Okay, all right, that makessense, and then?
So how do you do it for bearBears?
Is that probably the easiestscore?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Bears and cats are the same.
The skull is front to back andside to side, and then you add
the two.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, okay, alright, he wasn't real wide, but he's
long the score sheet's behindyou.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You can tell me your measurements.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna Like.
I said it's 17 and 8 sixteenthsand then Lane, so the
measurements were length, 11 and2 sixteenths, and then the
width was 6 and 6 sixteenths.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And then you just added 2.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, that's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Pretty simple.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So, Lane, you know you do this out of your own
pocket.
Yep, we pay you for.
You print up this very nice BigGame, Club Achievement Award,
presented Yep, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We pay what you charge $5 for that $5 just to
cover the ink cost think it'sreally nice, really well done.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And then you know but you're doing this, which is
great for the club.
You're not paid for this.
People are bringing you deer,moose, bear from all over any
time of the year.
Can you score this, can youscore that, can you score this,
can you score that?
And you do because you meetsome great people.
You get a great story out of it.
But it's nice that you do it outof your own time and pocket and
it just helps keep things likethis going right and no matter
what state, province, countryyou're in, it's good if you guys
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have a club like that.
Like I said, some people gettoo hung up on like, oh, I've
got a big deer, but I didn'tmake it because of these
deductions.
It's okay, be happy with yourdeer, but it's nice to have big
game clubs like this.
Just just like I said, you haveto have a standard, so not.
You know it's a club, so noteveryone can be in it, right and
um, it's just, it's just goodto have and just good to keep
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going.
You know anything to do with theoutdoors hunting, you know
let's keep that stuff going.
You kind of get into it twolane because a lot of the uh
club members in it.
Some of them are listening.
Possibly they're that arerunning it or they're not old.
They're're older.
I'll say that they're not old,but they're getting up there in
age.
So it's good to have peoplelike yourself, younger, getting
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into it and just kind of keepingthat going.
Like I said, anything to dowith the outdoors to keep it
going.
Any clubs you know.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Same with any club If you don't use it, you're going
to lose it.
I don't want to see this driftoff in the wind and just become
nothing anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, yeah, exactly, and it's nice to have and the
books are really well done.
Like I said, they'refull-colored pictures, lots in
there to look at, a lot ofpeople, not everyone, but you
can put a story in there andeverything.
It's quite thick, it's nice.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
If anyone's looking to get one.
How do they find it?
They can get a hold of you andyou can relay the message to me
or they can message me onfacebook or instagram and I run
the the new brunswick big gameclub instagram page.
You can message that page and Ican get a hold of you and work
out the details and try to getyou one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Right, yeah, if anyone wants to contact me, you
can on Facebook.
Ken Meyer or Hunts onOutfitting or huntsonoutfitting
at gmailcom Lane can ship it.
Anyways, he'll find a way He'llget it there.
But, like I said, it'sinteresting, even if you're not
from here and all that.
It's a great book.
It's cool to look through.
I mean, you're not from NovaScotia or anything.
You're flipping through that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh, I like to look through it.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I know in Maine I've got a friend in Maine.
They keep track of everything,even like the heaviest raccoon
and stuff like that and it'scool.
You know, it's reallyinteresting to hear about and
stuff I haven't looked lookedinto shipping to the states.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I know it's an option , I just don't know price-wise.
Well, how much are the books?
$25?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
$25.
So if you're buying from the US, your dollar is worth a lot
more than ours right now, sothat'd probably cover the
shipping, Do you think?
I know it's not big game, butwould they ever put turkey in
there?
We're working on it, ReallyOkay.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Now that there's an official season, we've been
looking into it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Really, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But I don't know how I have to look into some scoring
systems because I don't knowhow you totally measure them.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
If it's beard or it's spurs, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I know you'd have to look into that.
We have talked aboutpotentially putting it in the
book.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Okay, because I was curious about that.
I know it's not big game, but Idon't know if it's kind of
candid like big game in NewBrunswick.
I don't know, it's not, it's abird, but we're new to it here.
We're excited, had a greatturkey season this year, got two
hunters they're turkeys A lotof fun.
This is only our fourth year, Ithink, in New Brunswick with a
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turkey season.
It's a draw system.
It's kind of hard to get yourtag at the moment, but the
population's looking better, soit's neat.
And then what was it Speakingof big game scoring and all that
the Boone and Crockett, I thinkjust recognized back in
December I think it was Javelina, which are kind of like a wild
boar, just a little smaller.
So that's neat.
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It's just cool stuff like thatand knowing that these people
are working on doing this andthat with these clubs and just
keeping them in the spotlight ina good way.
What's your favorite animalscore?
You love it because you get tohave especially deer and moose
and all that.
But just people come to you andwant stuff scored.
But before you answer that, Igot another question did you
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score a bear recently?
That's not black yeah, I scored.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
A guy actually get brought a black bear for me to
score.
He made the record book and, uh, he said I'll be right back.
I got something to to show youand he brought me a polar bear
skull.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Right, did he get you to score it?
It won't make it in NewBrunswick, obviously.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I couldn't score it because it was too big for my
caliper Really, and it maxes outat 15 inches.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And it was over.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, wow, and he said it wasn't a very big polar
bear skull.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Gee, because you can score.
Well.
I mean, you score for theBrunswick Big Game book, but
people can bring you stuff.
You can score it right.
You're not Boone and Crockett.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Not yet I'm looking into getting.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Well, yeah, how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I've been looking into getting a Boone and
Crockett official so I canofficially enter any North
American roasted animal, and Ihave to go to the States for
that for a couple weeks.
But I'm looking into it.
But you're looking into that?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
See, that'd be cool because so that way well, if
someone goes on a hunt, comeback, say that guy with the
polar bear and wants you toscore it, then you can
officially put it in for theBoone and Crockett which is it's
all North America, right?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yep, yeah, that's pretty neat, the polar bear
thing and he ended up giving mea claw as a keepsake.
He was very appreciative of mescoring his bear and it was a
big bear.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
He made the book and he gave me a claw there's lots
of polar bears because people,like you know, coca-cola is
going on.
They're extinct almost, butthey're not.
I mean, and the pictures I'veseen of them and stuff, people
hunting them, they're not skinnyeither.
Like they're not skinny either.
They're going on, these thingsthat are big and fat.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He works up to Nunavut is why?
Okay, he's in Nunavut and hesaid he sees them.
They're problematic bears andthey have to shoot them, because
this is when a bear getscomfortable around you and if it
wants you dead, you're dead.
There's no stopping aproblematic bear, so you have to
kill it right, yeah, theirpictures I've seen are huge.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You said the skull, like compared to the black bear,
was just crazy like nocomparison not even close.
Really, it looked fake jeez,yeah, that's pretty cool.
Um, yeah, so sorry.
What's your favorite animal toscore out of the three?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I'm gonna have to go with deer I just I just love
deer yeah and I mean it's themost popular that I've scored.
I've only scored a couple mooseand a handful of bear.
I just like, because I do itall in my house.
I just yeah, I don't, I'm notinto travel and I'm set up in
the basement with the printer.
Like I print the score sheetright off there for you and the
certificate and I haveeverything set up and it's just
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cool to come down and we'll talkhunting and well, they've got a
story they relive the wholestory it's pretty cool.
Listen back and it's pretty cool.
I measured.
I measured a couple deer thatthey were close coming in the
book and I always hide the scorebecause it adds it up as I'm
scoring on the computer, so Ihide it and then I scroll down
after and they were.
They just squeaked in, but theywere quite excited when I told
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them that they made the recordbook.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Like I said, there's some really nice deer and stuff
shot that don't make it becausethe deductions be happy with it.
But when you do make it in it'sa cool feeling too.
But, like I said, it's a clubIn clubs.
Not everyone can be in it.
That's right, but be happy withwhat you got.
And then, you never know, nextyear somebody that you know
couldn't make it in before mightget it.
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Just it's luck.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And it's nice, you know, to have a number to strive
for.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
To push yourself to aim towards at some point in
your career.
Said like, say with my deer, um, you know, putting lots of hard
work and all that beforeanother year is nothing, and
then that one's just I'd go usethe bathroom and see him, you
know.
But it just comes down to lucka lot of it.
Uh, unlike some other specieswhere it's, you know, really
skill and hard work anddedication.
I mean you do that with deertoo, especially with me.
Now I've been putting in a lotmore scouting and like putting
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the food plots up and this andthat and just putting a lot more
boots on the ground.
Um, you too, lane, you're allover.
Yeah, hunting for them stuff,let's think you know, when
someone's coming to bring you ananimal score, they're gonna
have a story.
You guys gonna have a chat, youknow um it's.
Uh, some people want you to goto them though.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Hey, I know you don't I don't even give them the
option.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
No well, well, like I said, you're doing this your
own time, printing up this, allthat form they should come to
you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
We are looking at putting some booths in at some
shows in the next year forpeople that are unable to make
it to my place.
I think we're putting a boothin at the sportsman show in
Moncton this spring and we planon going to the United Guides
and Outfitters show in January.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And we're going to put a booth on there and we're
going to put a post on ahead oftime and say there's been one at
Chipman before the ChipmanSportsman Show.
Yeah, I was unable to go tothat one, but we had a booth
there and I guess they said itwas a really good turnout.
They were scoring nonstop allday.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So we plan on having a nice booth with a big backdrop
set up and we're going to liketo put some mounts on display,
something to catch the eye yeah,because a couple years ago they
had one at the guy's outfittershow and it was lined up there
all day.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
We were there with our friend that got his deer
scored and it was yeah, you'reright, it was busy, holy cow.
And that's the other greatthing about this.
Is people just curious.
We had a friend last year atthe Chipman Show, morgan.
He had this old rack of antlersthat they had in their camp.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Those grandfathers or uncles Relative of his Shot
shot many, many years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And, uh, he brought that in to get scored, which is,
you know, that's cool, justcurious, right, it's neat, just
to see you know what would thisscore, just stuff like that.
It's uh, it's fun, yep.
And even if it doesn't make it,then you get to see like, oh
wow, this deer, I didn't thinkit's that big and still scored
you know 110 or whatever, right,and uh, yeah, and there, yeah,
and there's no timeline ongetting scored.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
A guy can score.
If you have an old rack of yourgrandfather's that he shot in
the 80s, I can still score andenter it.
Yep, as long as it's after its60-day drying period.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I can score, yeah, so that's another thing, right?
Yeah, that we didn't touch on.
It's got to be dried for 60days 60 days, since they shrink
a little.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Some do, some don't.
Every deer bear, everything'sdifferent.
My bear actually grew a 16th ofan inch from its green score.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
What Must have been watering it?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
He got it green, scored at 19 and 10 16ths and it
officially scored at 19 and 11sixteenths and then officially
scored at 19 and 11 sixteenths.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Really yeah, huh, that's different.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's why when I scored yours I didn't know how
much and it was close, I justroughly scored yours and I knew
it was just over 17.
Yeah, and you were like, oh,what a score.
I'm like I'm not telling youuntil 60 days is up, just in
case.
I didn't want to get your hopesup Like, oh, it's over 17,.
Then it dries and it's under 16or under 17.
You don't make it I didn't wantto get your hopes up.
(41:52):
And then I just randomly, Ijust printed your certificate
off and sent you the picture.
I'm like how does this look?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You're like, oh yeah, that's right.
No, I was happy.
Yeah, like I said, it's neat.
But yeah, what other things?
There's no other bigstipulations or anything with it
, right?
But yeah, it's got to be 60days dry and stuff it's got to
be legally shot and tagged.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And I mean it's hard to prove, but if I do have
speculation that it was legallyshot.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I can't enter it.
If someone is First Nations andthey are allowed to shoot deer
and moose and stuff out of theregular season, are they allowed
to enter it?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
No, I can score it, but I can't enter it Right
Because it has to be tagged Now.
If they bought a license and atag, then I can score it, but I
can't enter it Right Because ithas to be tagged Now if they
bought a license and a tag, thenI can't.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
But that would have to be shot within season.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Within the season.
I have to have.
No matter who it is, they haveto bring a tag with them.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right, because in New Brunswick our move season has
been extended to five days.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It used to be three Three.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It's five days now, so it's not a very long time,
but if somebody you know, firstNations native person, shoots
one outside of that five daysthough you can score it.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I can still score it for them, but I'm not allowed to
enter it in the book.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That's fair, right.
I hope you get your Boone andCrockett scoring thing because
that'll be cool.
If you just think about theunique animals, there's a few
people around the area with somedeep pockets who have been
fortunate enough to go on somehunts from all over the world
and it'd be neat to be able tohave those people start bringing
you stuff to score.
You know, like I said, likethat polar bear, or you have
somebody bring you an elk or amusk, ox, something, right.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
My dream is to score a caribou.
I'd love to score a caribou.
Okay, yeah, a big one with abig shovel on the front.
I don't actually know how to doit, but I've got a book to yes,
well, tell us about your book,Lane.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You brought a book with you.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, I just wanted to talk to you about a bunch of
different stuff, but I got itthrough the club Just one sec.
Yeah, it's actually from Booneand Crockett's official site and
it runs through Pope and Youngas well, but it shows me how to
officially score every animal in.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
North America.
What's the title of it?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Lane how to score a North American big game.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's pretty cool because before the podcast we
were going.
I'm going on a bighorn sheephunt with a friend of mine in
September in Alberta.
So you're on there.
It shows you how to score allthat and cats and everything
Every big game animal in NorthAmerica Like the title says
Muskox is in this Pronghorncaribou, whitetail and coos,
(44:38):
deer Cows as some people call it, roosevelt elk.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
They're all.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
the North American Grand Slam, or Super Slam as
some people call it, likeRoosevelt elk, they're all.
Well, there's two.
What is it?
The North American Grand Slamor Super Slam?
Is it 29?
I think it's 29 big gameanimals to complete that.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think it's 28 now, because they took polar bear off
it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
They took them off.
Yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Because non-residents aren't allowed to hunt them
anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
So if you're not a resident of one of the Northwest
Territories or Nunavut, youcan't shoot one.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So it pretty well makes it impossible to get your—
that's the only place.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
The polar bears are In North America.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
What about—because I know it's on that list Is Walrus
in there.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It's in this book somewhere.
Is it Okay?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
because I know they are part of the North American
Super Slam.
That's an animal you don'tthink about much, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I want to look it up, because I actually don't even.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well, you should just measure the big old tusks on
them.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, so you go right from the middle of the eye
socket down all the way acrossthe front of the tusk to the tip
and then you do four massmeasurements.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, lane, appreciate you coming on.
Thanks for having me.
If anyone's curious, I don'tcare where you're from.
It's a great book the NewBrunswick Big Game 5th Edition
book.
You guys are working on the 6thEdition.
People have been asking when'sthat going to come out.
You got a rough timeline.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I don't have a timeline, but I'm it's a lot of
work.
It's a lot of work and it's alot of money.
We still have a lot of fiftheditions to get rid of.
We'd like to push them outbefore we start on the sixth.
And I've been going slowly,going through the record book
system on the computer, readingeverything, going over
everything.
I, the record book system onthe computer, reading everything
(46:25):
, going over everything, I founda couple errors we need to fix
and we should be close.
But we wanted 500 entries sincethe last book and the last book
was 2016?
.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So we would like 500 entries.
We should be close.
It's not already there.
But if you get an animal thatyou think might make the record
book reach, hit up lane lewis orthe new brunswick big game club
on facebook or instagram and ifyou do have a record book,
there's a a list on the front ofall the measures in the
(46:58):
province and it'll show youtheir number, their email and
their location oh yeah yeah, soyou can find the nearest one.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's a nice book too.
They're all hardcover.
Yep, they're all hardcoverbooks Like uh it's, it's nice,
it's good, it's fun.
If you're bored during thewinter or something, just flip
through, read some stories, seesome critters, you know Uh.
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