September 2, 2025 • 32 mins
Veterinarian Dr. Shannon Myles joins the Hunts On Outfitting Podcast to share critical knowledge that could save your hunting dog's life this season. Drawing from her professional expertise, Dr. Myles breaks down the warning signs of heat stroke that every handler should recognize – beyond just heavy panting to more serious symptoms like bright red gums and sudden collapse. She dispels dangerous myths about cooling overheated dogs, explaining why ice baths can actually worsen their condition.
The conversation shifts to field injuries, with practical advice on assembling an effective first aid kit and properly treating wounds encountered miles from veterinary care. Dr. Myles explains why cat scratches deserve special attention, the surprising truth about skunk spray reactions, and when field stapling might be necessary for serious lacerations. Her insights on dangerous water conditions reveal why seemingly harmless algae-covered ponds can prove fatal to thirsty hunting dogs.
Medical emergencies like seizures and gastric torsion receive detailed attention, with Dr. Myles sharing both prevention strategies and emergency response protocols. She emphasizes proper nutrition for working dogs, vaccination requirements for disease prevention, and developmental considerations for young hunting prospects. Throughout the discussion, her veterinary perspective illuminates the delicate balance between pushing dogs to perform at high levels while maintaining their health and longevity.
Whether you run hounds, beagles, retrievers, or pointers, this episode delivers practical knowledge that transcends breed-specific concerns to address universal canine health issues. Before heading afield this season, equip yourself with this essential veterinary wisdom to ensure your four-legged hunting partner stays healthy, safe, and ready for many seasons to come.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
this is hunts on outfitting podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken mark.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
associated with it, from storiesto howos.
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Welcome to the podcast.
Yeah, alright.
Thanks for tuning in to thisweek's episode of the podcast.
(00:33):
We're fired up and ready to letyou listen to it.
Thanks for tuning in.
We have a special guest on Oneof my good friends, ryan, his
girlfriend, dr Shannon Miles,veterinarianian.
She's coming on to talk aboutdog food, to talk about warning
signs of, you know, heat stressand things like that with your
dog, what to carry in your firstaid kit.
(00:55):
We're talking hunting doghealth this week, so we're
excited for that.
It's going to be a good one and, uh, you know, with fall
quickly approaching this time ofyear, a lot of guys getting the
dogs out, training and gettingready for, you know, the actual
hunting season.
Uh, if you're looking to get ahold of me, contact me.
You can at hunts on outfittingat gmailcom that would be the
(01:18):
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Or you can find us on facebookhunts on out Outfitting, or
myself, ken Meyer.
All right, let's talk to DrShannon.
All right, welcome to thepodcast.
This week on the podcast, we'vegot Dr Shan Balan.
Watch out for your man.
No, she's good, shannon.
You know we're really luckyhere at Hunts on Outfitting
(01:41):
We've got six dogs.
I've got my Border Collie, whois retired now, but he's great
cattle and sheep dog.
Then I've got my two Coonhounds, three Beagles, shannon, we're
lucky enough to have you aroundto give them some checkups from
time to time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And help us with some things that they might need Vet
stuff, you know, and sometender, loving care.
Shannon, before your doctor,your vet, your doctor vet.
Before we get into things, howdid you get?
What made you want to become avet?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
um, I guess I just always loved animals from a
young age and I just kind ofknew at a young age that's what
I wanted to do and I justpursued that dream wasn't when
you first started out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You got scratched by a cat uh, when I started out,
like when I was a student, I gotbit pretty bad by a cat and
you're thinking like you gettalked to vet like the
euthanized a lot every year, andthis is how I'm going to get
evened and that's how I became avet.
Do you save more than youeuthanize?
No, I'm just kidding, um.
So, shannon, we're gonna.
(02:41):
You do you do some great things, uh, the animals, and they
appreciate it.
I will say this I've always putvets up on a higher pedestal
than regular doctors.
Sorry, shots fired Because youthink about it.
All people are the same,basically, but you still have
your specialists and all that.
I don't know what's wrong withyou and everything.
But vets, you're trained whenyou go to vet school here in New
Brunswick.
(03:01):
You're trained for everythingfrom horses to chinchillas,
right?
Exactly yeah, so that's yeahthat's pretty neat, because
they're not built the same.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No, no, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Horses and chinchillas are not the size
difference in other animals aswell.
So, shannon, as we get intotalking about some hunting, dog
health and all that, I'd like tostart with what's been really
hot here lately, and when peopleare running their dogs and all
that, people are getting themback into the season and
everything.
What is a sign that your dog'sgetting heat stroke?
(03:31):
For one, is it more than justheavy panting?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
no, so they can be panting heavily.
Sometimes they'll even collapseum that's a sign something's
wrong yeah, yeah, if theycollapse there's something going
on.
Sometimes their gums can looklike bright red as well too.
If they've got heat stroke,definitely like the heavy
(03:55):
breathing panting heavily.
Yeah, sometimes their gums canlook pale too on the other end
of things as well, butdefinitely a lot of dogs that we
see that have heat stroke, theypresent for collapsing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So what I mean?
Because I've got hounds andthose things will run until they
drop.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
What's a good way to prevent that?
It's just keeping an eye onthem.
If it's really hot, yank themout.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
If it's really hot out.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You kind of be mindful of that and know your
dog's limits.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
If it's too hot, then don't run them that day.
What is the thing?
You're running the dog?
You're not realizing it.
Bam, they go down.
It's probably heat stroke.
What are?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
your first steps.
Definitely get them to a vet assoon as possible.
A lot of people think you haveto cool them down and they'll
want to put ice packs on them.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Would you put them in a brook or no?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, I wouldn't do that.
The honest, the worst thing youcan do is put cool them down
very, very quickly, like withice packs or an ice bath.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So a brook would be A brook would be a no, unless it
was a lukewarm brook.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, if it's lukewarm that might be okay, but
I don't know.
Well, this summer there'sprobably some lukewarm brooks.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
There's some lukewarm brooks, oh yeah, they just have
bacteria, and then the dogdrinks, and then we've got a
whole other list of problems.
Yeah, that's a whole otherissue, so we'll stick to this
one for now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, but yeah, getting them to there, and then,
typically, you want to coolthem, cool them down, but not
too, not too fast.
Okay, and that'll bring themaround.
I mean, hopefully it dependshow bad it is, honestly, but if
you can get care out of thatquickly enough, they usually do
(05:40):
all right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So I've heard that if they've had it once can they be
more susceptible to gettingheat stroke again.
Does it weaken them?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say that, um, but like
some, dogs some dogs are aremore sensitive to the heat than
others, so probably if they, ifI think it's more so, that if
they're sensitive to the heatand it happens to them once,
well, if you bring them outagain and it's too hot for them,
then they can definitely getheat stroke again so also, when
(06:08):
the dogs are out running and Icarry this, I don't know if it
does anything but, um, if thedogs are like really down to get
their sugars and stuff stuff uppeanut butter, bring a little
thing of peanut butter with youdoes that?
yeah, peanut butter, get some,get some glucose into them.
Um yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's just running really hard.
It's not heat stroke just toget the sugars back up and
everything.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that,
okay.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Um, what, how do you feel about, uh, if you have to,
in the field dog gets rippedopen by a bear fence, post
something, stapling them in thefield field.
What would you do put in therebefore you do you staple them up
?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean ideally, if you had like some don't get them
cut some, yeah, um, but anytimeyou have like a fresh wound
like that, you want to clean itup.
So if you have like even somelike sterile saline which I
think you can just get that froma human pharmacy even and just
flushing out, just trying toclean it up before you close it,
(07:10):
okay, just to get any like dirtand grossness out of there
before you, because you don'twant to close that in under
their skin, right?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, yeah, you're just asking for an infection
there and then you see twopeople, their dogs, get
scratched by a cat Bobcat,mountain Lion, something like
cat's claws apparently are likereally bad.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, they're dirty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, how important is it that like oh, I'll just
clean this up Like do they needantibiotics typically, right?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I guess it would depend like how big of a
scratch it is.
But like even claws, like yes,they're dirty, but especially if
they get bit too, like cat'smouths have a lot of bacteria in
them, and like even us aspeople like in clinic, like if
you get a pretty bad cat biteyou have to go get antibiotics.
(07:57):
So definitely I'd say if theyget a bite they should have some
antibiotics and then a scratchyeah, it would depend.
You might be able to just treatthat topically, depending how.
And then a scratch yeah, itwould depend.
You might be able to just treatthat topically, depending how
big of a scratch it is, like ifwe're dealing with a bobcat
versus a smaller cat, you knowright, yeah, um, you guys get
scratched a lot at the uh theclinic a fair amount.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, we try not how much does it take for you not to
?
It's like you, little shit, butyou can't, because it's
someone's lovely pet, it's MrKittles.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
No, most of the time they're stressed, they're in an
environment.
They don't know us, so theydon't mean to do it.
They're just doing it kind of afight or flight reaction, right
?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So you guys wear like big padded gloves Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah reaction right, right.
So you guys wear like bigpadded gloves sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, we do if the towrestle, just for our safety.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Um, we kind of and there's.
It doesn't hurt as much when wehit them with the gloves no, we
definitely don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No no, but I I would.
That's why I'm not a vet.
I mean, there's other reasonswhy I'm not a vet but never got
good marks in school.
I never went to school much,shannon.
So I mean let's get into afirst aid kit your typical North
American hunting dog first aidkit.
I don't care if you're huntingducks, if you're hunting coon,
if you're hunting mountain lion.
I mean what are you thinkingwould be essential basic things
(09:19):
to pack?
We're not doing surgery on themountain.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right, I think it's always good to have like some
gauze, some some cling, some vetwrap, you know, even if they
just like tear a nail or theytear their paw pad, you can just
wrap that up.
Um, always good, even like tohave benadryl if they get stung
a little reaction.
Um, polysporin, like antibioticcream's good too, if they do
(09:43):
get a cut, you can put that on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um, I'm trying to think what else, what else we
would do?
So, we, you can't get it herein Canada because I don't know
why it's stupid, but uh, we, Iget it in the States.
It's awesome.
Blue coat.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
K-B-L-U I think it's K-O-T-E.
I'll tell you, we sprayed thaton wounds like raccoon bites,
stuff in them, fight in them,stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It seems to work really well, yeah, I've heard
good things about that.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It stains.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I wouldn't spray it on them in the house, but it
seems to work excellent, yeah,and they do make not so much in
small animal but large animal.
They do have like some sprays,like that too, some topicals
that are really good, but, yeah,we just don't really have much
for a small animal now, whatabout?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
uh, I don't know much about it.
Hopefully not to deal with itmuch, but some dogs will get
seizures yeah how do you?
What causes them actually?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
a lot of things can cause a seizure um out in the
field, like, even like, if theyget too hot, that could cause a
seizure.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
What about, like if they're just in a fight with
something?
Would that?
Could that bring it in?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Theoretically, yes, a lot of things, even like some
dogs, just like a stressfulsituation can cause a seizure?
Yeah, that's what I mean, yeahyeah, so it's hard, especially
if you're out in the woods likethere's not a whole lot you can
do.
I mean, like hold the dog andtry to like prevent any trauma,
like head trauma, like ifthey're.
(11:14):
If they're having like theclonic tonic seizures where
they're thrashing around um andthen typically like if the
seizure is lasting over a coupleof minutes, then it's just kind
of in the danger zone.
We don't want that Um, andespecially if they're having
like repeated seizures, I wouldmake sure you get them to a to a
(11:35):
vet clinic so that they canhave some medications given to
them to stop the seizures.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what?
There's nothing you can reallydo, though there's nothing you
can give them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Or is it put a?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
skittle underneath their tongue, or whatever you
have to do for humans.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Some dogs, like if they have a history of seizures,
like if they're epileptic Don'ttake them hunting?
Yeah, we will in some cases,like when we know if a dog comes
in and they've had clusterseizures, they can have diazepam
.
I mean give that rectally totry and break the seizures To
the dog.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yes to the dog and, unfortunately, the owner has to
have it done as well.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
What's it do?
It's a medication that can stopthe seizures quickly.
Some dogs, though,unfortunately will have repeat
seizures, and they'll needmultiple, multiple doses and can
that come from breeding?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
seizures oh yes, prone to it yeah yeah, yeah,
there's definitely a geneticcomponent to that is there any
way that you can tell, becauseyou know, like some dogs are
like uh, they're tested for hipdysplasia and stuff like that.
Can they be tested for seizures?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't think, from what I know, there's no gene
testing for that.
But I mean, if you have a dogand they have seizures, you
shouldn't, shouldn't be breedingthem, right In my opinion?
Okay, because that does happensometimes, where some dogs from
(13:06):
the same litter like a couple ofthe dogs have seizures and it's
like, okay, you shouldn't bebreeding those dogs.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Right, yeah, okay, so that's just something you
should ask and, hopefully, thebreeders are honest about it.
Yeah, they shouldn't bebreeding it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they shouldn't be breeding it.
They shouldn't be does, butit's only like every other day.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So we figured we were okay, he's kind of hoping yeah
or not?
How important is it to yourhunting dogs to have
well-trimmed and manicured nailsyeah, definitely, definitely
important.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Um, I uh saw a dog last week actually that caught
its nail on something andcompletely ripped ripped the
nail off.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Um, doesn't grow back , does it it it will.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It will eventually with time.
Sometimes it doesn't go backcompletely straight, um, but
with time it will grow back.
But yeah, especially forhunting dogs when they're
running through the woods, um,like brush and sticks and that,
um, if their nails are long,they can definitely get caught
up on stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So okay, and then say you got a duck dog and you're
going out duck hunting and it'sbeen a bit warm and stuff and
the pond looks a little off andyour dog's like, oh it's hot,
I'm thirsty, and just startsdrinking it down Would you
recommend that?
Say no.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, definitely not.
If you can see algae on thesurface of the water, the dog
should not be.
Like any algae, I wouldn't withmy dog.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
If there's any algae?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
no, especially with the risk of the blue-green algae
like the cyanobacteria thatoften is deadly.
There's not many dogs thatsurvive that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Really it's that bad.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, especially if they've like intake quite a bit
of quite like a significantamount of water.
Yeah, there's not really comingback from that unless they get
critical care quite fast.
So yeah, when with the pondsbeing icky and algae on the top,
I wouldn't, I wouldn't let mydog drink from it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
OK, you're the vet.
Okay, that's interesting.
Say, what would you do if yourdog did drink a lot and then
you'd notice after it's notfeeling that well, just get it
to the vet or induce vomiting.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I would take it to the vet right away because
we have drugs that we can use toinduce vomiting Hydrogen
peroxide in a pinch for a dogcan do the trick, but if they, I
would say get them to a vet,because sometimes too it will
(15:34):
give them will induce vomitingbut will give them activated
charcoal too to try and absorbany toxins uh any uh toxins that
are still left in their body.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So Okay, another common thing in the field,
sometimes more common than notskunk sprays.
Can those people think, oh,your dog just smells, but like
it can, it can, almost it cankill a dog, can it not?
The dog goes into, oranaphylaxis, anaphylaxis, what
is it you say it?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Anaphylaxis, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, so what is that ?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's really kind of like when their body goes into
shock.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yes, from the spray, from just getting it, yeah, so
pungent and right in their face.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, because some dogs get skunked quite bad
and especially sprayed in theirface.
Yeah, yeah, because some dogsget skunked quite bad and
especially sprayed in the face,like their eyes, and that it's
very like stings their face.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But yeah, sometimes that's unavoidable, though, with
the skunks right.
Any tips for that?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
besides not getting sprayed, don't bring your dog
out at dawn or dusk.
We'll be hunt coons, I know, soyou can't really avoid that.
Yeah, besides not gettingsprayed, don't bring your dog
out at dawn or dusk.
Which I know so you can'treally avoid that.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Luckily we have so far Knock on wood.
We've come across skunks, butthey've never bothered them
After a coon.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, because usually they just do it when they feel
threatened.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, so if the coon does happen to spray right in
the face of the dogs, likedoesn't seem to be doing well.
I mean, how often is it thatit's like a dire situation?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I've never seen it be a dire situation before.
No, most of the time they dojust fine.
You give them, clean them up asbest you can, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So what the dogs do?
I've always heard you know wetalk about stomach flipping.
Um, so with the dogs too, I'vealways heard you know we talk
about stomach flipping.
So the dog's like running realhard and all that.
It's hot out or whatever.
I've always waited to give themwater for about a week now, uh,
for, for a little bit, whenthey've calmed down a bit,
because is that what causesstomach flip flipping, when
they're like just lapping it allup?
Now I know when they're outrunning to come across, across a
(17:37):
brook or something they'regoing to, but yeah, Um, what it
is.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
it can be when they're eating or when they're
drinking and they're intaking alot of air at the same time.
So often when they're drinking,if they're drinking really fast
and they're swallowing a lot ofair, it's the air that the
stomach just fills with air andthen the stomach will flip and
twist to the other side.
That's what does it yeah, that'swhat does it.
Uh, it's typically the deepchested dogs too, um, like great
(18:07):
danes, german shepherds, likestandard poodles.
Those are the dogs that weoften see with the with the
stomach flipping oh really yeah,yeah, and in some so that's
what, that's what causes it,that's what causes it.
It's all the air going into thestomach?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
How can you tell your dog just like and like, just
like, feel good, like they justkind of?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, often the signs that they present with is
retching.
Yeah, it's because theirstomach's twisted and they don't
feel good and then the bloodsupply to their organ starts to
get cut off and then it's kindof life or death at that point.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Really yeah, so you got to get them in quick.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You have to get them in quick.
Yeah, if you don't get them inquick, things can go wrong
pretty quick, like within a fewhours.
You can.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, on a happier note.
So I mean we're getting, we'regetting into hunting season and
all that a little bit more now.
I mean, how important is it forthe proper food nutrition we
feed anookshook dog food?
Uh, you've looked into that.
How do you feel aboutanookshook?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
yeah, the anookshook is great for um, for dogs that
are hunting, especially becausethey need that extra, extra
protein, extra calories.
Uh, especially because theyneed that extra protein, extra
calories, especially if they'reworking hard, like I know.
Your beagles sometimes run 20kilometers.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
They run a lot more than that.
Right now we're just working upto it, Okay you're working up
to it, okay.
They're past that, but once weget going, I mean they've put on
60 before.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In one day.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, oh, my goodness, okay, I know some guys who
listen to that and they're likethat's nothing really that's
cool, but yeah, um, they're only13 inches high they're fast
yeah, they are um, yeah, I knowthe enochug's great um for
hunting dogs.
I I know this to all our dogsyeah, there's a lot of people
that feed their dogs.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That, um, yeah, as long as people are following the
label.
You know, keeping your dogsnice and lean, but also good
weight, um, it's a great optionbut just having the proper
calories and in nutritionespecially working hard.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You got these bear hounds going out running, for
you know double the miles thatmy dogs are putting on stuff
like that.
Right, I mean you know you wantthem in tip top condition.
If you're in snow conditions,things like that, right.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, working definitely harder in the snow.
Yeah, it's a great.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Great product.
Highly recommend it, endorsedby vets.
I'll tell you we feed andrecommend it.
So a question what dog whenyou're at the vet office, are
you bit by the most and are youbit much?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
No, not bit that much .
We're like as vets, we'repretty good at picking up on the
warning signs of dogs.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like growling and showing teeth.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, that stuff.
Usually that's right beforethey're about to bite, but
sometimes they can.
They'll give us whale eye, sothey'll be looking kind of
sideways at you, showing a lotof the white of their eye.
Sometimes they'll be lickingtheir lips or yawning.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Those are kind of some the yawning's a sign yeah
yawning's a sign of kind ofbeing like fearful anxious.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I thought it was because sign of kind of being
like fearful anxious.
Um, so that's because they'retired, no, um.
So we're pretty good at pickingup on those signs.
I mean we, like, if we feelthat it's necessary, we'll.
We'll often say to owners likeare you okay if we put a muzzle
on, just just for our safety andfor your, the dog safety as
well?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
hate to open up a can of whoop-ass on your pet, but
didn't you say that a lot morepeople than you think you deal
with are scared of their dog?
How important is it to haveyour dog, that you're not scared
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, there are some people that are a little bit
fearful in those situations.
I think a lot of it comes backto training when they first get
the dog.
Genetics also plays a role intothat.
Stuff like anxiety.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It does a lot, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It does.
Yeah, Anxiety and fearaggression, but there are, like
I always say to people, youshould try going to a trainer.
You know working with a dogLike there's always hope for,
Even if it's a hunting dog andyou're just going to a trainer.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know working with the dog like there's always
hope for even if it's a huntingdog and you're just gonna use
for hunting.
I mean, how important is it forsocialization, socialization?
Oh, just have them out, right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
no, very, very important.
Just because they're a huntingdog doesn't mean they should be
fearful in every situation otherthan when they're you know,
have them out around people,around a bunch of other dogs.
Every dog should be socializedand be not scared in a public
environment.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yes, it's like people , the ones that don't get
socialized enough sometimes doshootings in places that they
shouldn't.
You've got to have people outand about and comfortable.
They don't have to do it allthe time, but should be
socialized.
Yes, they should be socialized,right?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, they should be socialized.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You said it, not me, so okay, no, that's interesting.
I mean, what are some otherimportant things with just your
general dog health stuff?
Maybe bringing water along foryour dogs I mean you can have
them drink water as they'reworking, but just careful
they're not just like sucking itback, yeah yeah, um making sure
they're vaccinated for diseasesthat are prevalent in your area
(23:26):
um like here we, we people thatmost people that have hunting
dogs will vaccinate for lymedisease because there's ticks
yeah, there's ticks yeah there'sticks.
Parvo right, Can any dog justget parvo?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Parvo, they get from another dog.
Okay yeah, lepto is another one.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They can get that from drinking out of puddles,
right yeah they can get thatfrom drinking out of puddles.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's like raccoons and rodents they spread it in
their urine.
Technically like even if araccoon urinate somewhere and
your dog steps where theyurinated and then licks their
paw.
They can catch it like that aswell as if they have contact
with the urine and it goes intheir mouth.
They can get it and that is areally bad bacteria that will
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cause damage to the kidneys andthe liver.
The lepto yeah, the lepto and ifthey don't get treated in a
timely fashion it can be fatal.
In some dogs it can cause a lotof damage to their kidneys and
liver, so definitely should bevaccinated for that.
It's very.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So be up to date on your vaccinations.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, Rabies too, of course.
Yes, raccoons, yeah, well, Iremember yeah, be up to date on
your on your vaccinations, yeahrabies too, of course.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes, raccoons, yeah, well, I remember, yeah, when we
first got the vet that we hadyou know she's like when we
first got the coon hands like um, are they in contact around uh,
raccoons much and stuff like uh, fair amount yeah fair amount
like face to face with them on apretty regular basis yeah, they
definitely need to bevaccinated for rabies uh is
rabies.
It's not real prevalent, no,but need to be vaccinated for
rabies.
It's not real prevalent aroundhere, but still should be
vaccinated.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, still should be vaccinated Not super prevalent,
but still we vaccinate for itbecause it's deadly.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
If you get rabies Well, I heard with humans once
you show signs of it, it's toolate.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That's it, You're done, yeah, and a lot of people
too.
They don't know because they'lloften get bit by a bat that
went into their house right andbecause the bat's teeth make
such small.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I heard that if you see a bat flying around your
house when you wake up, they sayyou should just get the rabies,
you just go get.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, isn't it quite an ordeal.
Uh, to get the rabies vaccine.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
To get rabies?
Oh, to get rabies.
No to get the rabies vaccines.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh, with people you have to.
It depends if you've beenpreviously vaccinated.
So most people, unless you'relike a vet professional, you're
not going to be vaccinated forrabies.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Or a wildlife handler , or a wildlife handler.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, um, you have to get a few, quite a few vaccines
like boosters um to beprotected.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
A lot boosters um to be protected.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A lot a few, I can't remember I'll probably just roll
the dice with rabies.
Yeah, I don't think I would dothat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right, I'll get vaccinated like oh, I'd rather
die than get another needle.
Well, you've only had one, soyou know, okay, um, all right,
that's interesting yeah and then, um, like I said, just even
when you get them as a puppy,like how important is for good,
good, nutritious food, juststarting early, like always have
them on that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, they should always be on a good, nutritious
food, especially when they're apup, because they're growing
Right.
So if you have a large breeddog, you want to make sure their
calcium and phosphorus isbalanced properly so they don't
grow too too fast.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right, balanced properly so they don't grow too
too fast.
Right, because you get into hipproblem.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, joint problems, yeah, yeah, you just want their
, their bones, to grow at aproper rate.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Um, yeah, um, also, you know, you see people that
get young dogs.
They're training them right andthey're running them good and
hard like I'm gonna run this doghard and everything.
I mean, how important is itwhen they're they're growing and
developing?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
don't run them that hard you don't want to be
running them too hard andpushing them too hard when
they're a pup.
You kind of have to justgradually increase it?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Can it affect their bones?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, it can.
You can just be hard on themwhen they're growing like that,
so you kind of have to limitthem when they're a young
growing, and then you cangradually increase it over time.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Okay, dew claws.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, they're a pain in the ass, people that
have hunting dogs there.
They're terrible to have onthem.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So I've had quite a few people ask can you remove
the dew claws when we go toneuter them?
But by the province?
We cannot remove the dewclawswhen we go to neuter them, but
by the province.
We cannot remove the dewclawsunless there's a medical reason
to do so Can you just rip themout when they're puppies?
No.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay.
Well not you, not a vet, butlike somebody.
Would it be immense pain?
You can't do that, yeah, no, Iwouldn't recommend that.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Because there's skin there.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Sometimes there's bone attaching there is
sometimes okay kind of itdepends sometimes like they rip
when they're out in the way,like I don't know why they still
have them.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, really um, they definitely can be, can be an
inconvenience, um, but yeah, wetechnically cannot remove them
unless, like, if it's like halfripped off, then yes, we can
remove it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But now what other areas like in the end,
throughout Canada, in the UnitedStates?
Do you think that varies?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think that does vary.
Yeah, definitely, definitelydoes.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But if you can get it done.
Would you recommend it forhunting dogs?
I mean, generally, it can be.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean they can, they can catch their catch, any
digit on anything, right?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I know it's there, it's a little bit more dangly.
I usually tell people just makesure the nails cut short,
because if it's not then yournail's long like any of the
other nails, can catch on stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
When I was younger I didn't cut one of my long
toenails for some reason on theY, and I was sliding on my socks
in the kitchen right into thecupboards the kitchen cupboards
there on the floor.
It hurt quite a bit, cracked itand I cut my nails after that.
I was young, I was quite young.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I cut my nails regularly now, oh gosh, yeah,
cracked it, your big toe.
Yes, cracked the Was your skinexposed.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The skin on my big toe.
Yeah, it hurt.
I was young.
I don't know how old I was.
I was like 30.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, I was in middle school.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, no, just wondering.
I'm glad you cut your toenailsnow.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah Well, it's like a defense mechanism.
I kick people with it, I cutthem to a point.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Sword.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, on guard.
You know, um, that's what it'slike with flip-flop season with
me, um, but okay, yeah, shannon,is there anything else that you
like to?
I mean, there's a lot, there'svery broad subject here,
obviously, but any other, like,we're just going over the basic
stuff, we're not getting too indepth with anything.
Is there anything else you'dlike to?
Uh, to add?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I mean not that I can think of off the top of my head
, just being mindful of your,your dog paying attention to
signs.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yes, like how they're feeling, yeah, yeah seeing how
they're picking up on that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Um, because you can catch stuff early if you're
paying attention to that stuff.
Um, yeah, and sometimes,sometimes stuff doesn't, uh,
isn't so obvious.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like, for example, you've had one of your beagles
before, as he, she was it, itwas gringo, yeah, yeah he, he
was running a lot, he washunting last year and I don't
know if he he fell or slammedinto a tree stump or what, but
he ended up getting a Bruise,bruise.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Quite a bruise on the side of him and he was down.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He didn't know what to do he just came out and he
looked like he didn't want to doanything.
I'm like what's wrong?
I go to pick him up, he squeals.
I'm like what is wrong with him?
We took him in to get x-rays atyour vet, but you guys found he
had this huge bruise, right?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, he had a little pocket of fluid, yeah, and then
when I went to shave over thepockets of fluid because we were
going to sample it, we saw hewas bruised quite bad.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And it was quite a big bruise, I think.
He came off like a bit of ahill and slammed into yeah, he
must have slammed into somethingquite hard, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Because it was no wonder, when we were touching
his belly he was so painful.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But he got over it.
Fine, but what's it called?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
a hema Like they can have like a hematoma.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not.
You know he got over it.
Fine.
But I know at first like holyshit, I don't know, we didn't
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, there was quite a bruise there when we clipped
his hair.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We kind of knew our answer there.
Nothing was broken or anything,just the bruise, nothing was
broken, thankfully.
So, just being mindful, I'mtrying to think of what we did
for him.
He was on medication, but theycan kind of sleep that off.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, he was on some anti-inflammatory pain
medication.
Just like in people when we geta bruise, you just got to give
it time.
Take some pain medication andit'll heal with time.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean, that'd be a really big bruise for a
person on a beagle.
It's half their body how he gotit.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, that was quite big.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, shannon, thanks for coming on.
I'm sure we'll be having you onagain and I'm going to have
lots more questions for you, butthis is a good basic
introduction to general doghealth.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, thanks for having me on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
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All right, let's talk to DrShannon.
All right, welcome to thepodcast.
This week on the podcast, we'vegot Dr Shan Balan.
Watch out for your man.
No, she's good, shannon.
You know we're really luckyhere at Hunts on Outfitting
(01:41):
We've got six dogs.
I've got my Border Collie, whois retired now, but he's great
cattle and sheep dog.
Then I've got my two Coonhounds, three Beagles, shannon, we're
lucky enough to have you aroundto give them some checkups from
time to time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And help us with some things that they might need Vet
stuff, you know, and sometender, loving care.
Shannon, before your doctor,your vet, your doctor vet.
Before we get into things, howdid you get?
What made you want to become avet?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
um, I guess I just always loved animals from a
young age and I just kind ofknew at a young age that's what
I wanted to do and I justpursued that dream wasn't when
you first started out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You got scratched by a cat uh, when I started out,
like when I was a student, I gotbit pretty bad by a cat and
you're thinking like you gettalked to vet like the
euthanized a lot every year, andthis is how I'm going to get
evened and that's how I became avet.
Do you save more than youeuthanize?
No, I'm just kidding, um.
So, shannon, we're gonna.
(02:41):
You do you do some great things, uh, the animals, and they
appreciate it.
I will say this I've always putvets up on a higher pedestal
than regular doctors.
Sorry, shots fired Because youthink about it.
All people are the same,basically, but you still have
your specialists and all that.
I don't know what's wrong withyou and everything.
But vets, you're trained whenyou go to vet school here in New
Brunswick.
(03:01):
You're trained for everythingfrom horses to chinchillas,
right?
Exactly yeah, so that's yeahthat's pretty neat, because
they're not built the same.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No, no, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Horses and chinchillas are not the size
difference in other animals aswell.
So, shannon, as we get intotalking about some hunting, dog
health and all that, I'd like tostart with what's been really
hot here lately, and when peopleare running their dogs and all
that, people are getting themback into the season and
everything.
What is a sign that your dog'sgetting heat stroke?
(03:31):
For one, is it more than justheavy panting?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
no, so they can be panting heavily.
Sometimes they'll even collapseum that's a sign something's
wrong yeah, yeah, if theycollapse there's something going
on.
Sometimes their gums can looklike bright red as well too.
If they've got heat stroke,definitely like the heavy
(03:55):
breathing panting heavily.
Yeah, sometimes their gums canlook pale too on the other end
of things as well, butdefinitely a lot of dogs that we
see that have heat stroke, theypresent for collapsing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So what I mean?
Because I've got hounds andthose things will run until they
drop.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
What's a good way to prevent that?
It's just keeping an eye onthem.
If it's really hot, yank themout.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
If it's really hot out.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You kind of be mindful of that and know your
dog's limits.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
If it's too hot, then don't run them that day.
What is the thing?
You're running the dog?
You're not realizing it.
Bam, they go down.
It's probably heat stroke.
What are?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
your first steps.
Definitely get them to a vet assoon as possible.
A lot of people think you haveto cool them down and they'll
want to put ice packs on them.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Would you put them in a brook or no?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, I wouldn't do that.
The honest, the worst thing youcan do is put cool them down
very, very quickly, like withice packs or an ice bath.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So a brook would be A brook would be a no, unless it
was a lukewarm brook.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, if it's lukewarm that might be okay, but
I don't know.
Well, this summer there'sprobably some lukewarm brooks.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
There's some lukewarm brooks, oh yeah, they just have
bacteria, and then the dogdrinks, and then we've got a
whole other list of problems.
Yeah, that's a whole otherissue, so we'll stick to this
one for now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, but yeah, getting them to there, and then,
typically, you want to coolthem, cool them down, but not
too, not too fast.
Okay, and that'll bring themaround.
I mean, hopefully it dependshow bad it is, honestly, but if
you can get care out of thatquickly enough, they usually do
(05:40):
all right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So I've heard that if they've had it once can they be
more susceptible to gettingheat stroke again.
Does it weaken them?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say that, um, but like
some, dogs some dogs are aremore sensitive to the heat than
others, so probably if they, ifI think it's more so, that if
they're sensitive to the heatand it happens to them once,
well, if you bring them outagain and it's too hot for them,
then they can definitely getheat stroke again so also, when
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the dogs are out running and Icarry this, I don't know if it
does anything but, um, if thedogs are like really down to get
their sugars and stuff stuff uppeanut butter, bring a little
thing of peanut butter with youdoes that?
yeah, peanut butter, get some,get some glucose into them.
Um yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's just running really hard.
It's not heat stroke just toget the sugars back up and
everything.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that,
okay.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Um, what, how do you feel about, uh, if you have to,
in the field dog gets rippedopen by a bear fence, post
something, stapling them in thefield field.
What would you do put in therebefore you do you staple them up
?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean ideally, if you had like some don't get them
cut some, yeah, um, but anytimeyou have like a fresh wound
like that, you want to clean itup.
So if you have like even somelike sterile saline which I
think you can just get that froma human pharmacy even and just
flushing out, just trying toclean it up before you close it,
(07:10):
okay, just to get any like dirtand grossness out of there
before you, because you don'twant to close that in under
their skin, right?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, yeah, you're just asking for an infection
there and then you see twopeople, their dogs, get
scratched by a cat Bobcat,mountain Lion, something like
cat's claws apparently are likereally bad.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, they're dirty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, how important is it that like oh, I'll just
clean this up Like do they needantibiotics typically, right?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I guess it would depend like how big of a
scratch it is.
But like even claws, like yes,they're dirty, but especially if
they get bit too, like cat'smouths have a lot of bacteria in
them, and like even us aspeople like in clinic, like if
you get a pretty bad cat biteyou have to go get antibiotics.
(07:57):
So definitely I'd say if theyget a bite they should have some
antibiotics and then a scratchyeah, it would depend.
You might be able to just treatthat topically, depending how.
And then a scratch yeah, itwould depend.
You might be able to just treatthat topically, depending how
big of a scratch it is, like ifwe're dealing with a bobcat
versus a smaller cat, you knowright, yeah, um, you guys get
scratched a lot at the uh theclinic a fair amount.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, we try not how much does it take for you not to
?
It's like you, little shit, butyou can't, because it's
someone's lovely pet, it's MrKittles.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
No, most of the time they're stressed, they're in an
environment.
They don't know us, so theydon't mean to do it.
They're just doing it kind of afight or flight reaction, right
?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So you guys wear like big padded gloves Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah reaction right, right.
So you guys wear like bigpadded gloves sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, we do if the towrestle, just for our safety.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Um, we kind of and there's.
It doesn't hurt as much when wehit them with the gloves no, we
definitely don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No no, but I I would.
That's why I'm not a vet.
I mean, there's other reasonswhy I'm not a vet but never got
good marks in school.
I never went to school much,shannon.
So I mean let's get into afirst aid kit your typical North
American hunting dog first aidkit.
I don't care if you're huntingducks, if you're hunting coon,
if you're hunting mountain lion.
I mean what are you thinkingwould be essential basic things
(09:19):
to pack?
We're not doing surgery on themountain.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right, I think it's always good to have like some
gauze, some some cling, some vetwrap, you know, even if they
just like tear a nail or theytear their paw pad, you can just
wrap that up.
Um, always good, even like tohave benadryl if they get stung
a little reaction.
Um, polysporin, like antibioticcream's good too, if they do
(09:43):
get a cut, you can put that on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um, I'm trying to think what else, what else we
would do?
So, we, you can't get it herein Canada because I don't know
why it's stupid, but uh, we, Iget it in the States.
It's awesome.
Blue coat.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
K-B-L-U I think it's K-O-T-E.
I'll tell you, we sprayed thaton wounds like raccoon bites,
stuff in them, fight in them,stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It seems to work really well, yeah, I've heard
good things about that.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It stains.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I wouldn't spray it on them in the house, but it
seems to work excellent, yeah,and they do make not so much in
small animal but large animal.
They do have like some sprays,like that too, some topicals
that are really good, but, yeah,we just don't really have much
for a small animal now, whatabout?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
uh, I don't know much about it.
Hopefully not to deal with itmuch, but some dogs will get
seizures yeah how do you?
What causes them actually?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
a lot of things can cause a seizure um out in the
field, like, even like, if theyget too hot, that could cause a
seizure.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
What about, like if they're just in a fight with
something?
Would that?
Could that bring it in?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Theoretically, yes, a lot of things, even like some
dogs, just like a stressfulsituation can cause a seizure?
Yeah, that's what I mean, yeahyeah, so it's hard, especially
if you're out in the woods likethere's not a whole lot you can
do.
I mean, like hold the dog andtry to like prevent any trauma,
like head trauma, like ifthey're.
(11:14):
If they're having like theclonic tonic seizures where
they're thrashing around um andthen typically like if the
seizure is lasting over a coupleof minutes, then it's just kind
of in the danger zone.
We don't want that Um, andespecially if they're having
like repeated seizures, I wouldmake sure you get them to a to a
(11:35):
vet clinic so that they canhave some medications given to
them to stop the seizures.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what?
There's nothing you can reallydo, though there's nothing you
can give them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Or is it put a?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
skittle underneath their tongue, or whatever you
have to do for humans.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Some dogs, like if they have a history of seizures,
like if they're epileptic Don'ttake them hunting?
Yeah, we will in some cases,like when we know if a dog comes
in and they've had clusterseizures, they can have diazepam
.
I mean give that rectally totry and break the seizures To
the dog.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yes to the dog and, unfortunately, the owner has to
have it done as well.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
What's it do?
It's a medication that can stopthe seizures quickly.
Some dogs, though,unfortunately will have repeat
seizures, and they'll needmultiple, multiple doses and can
that come from breeding?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
seizures oh yes, prone to it yeah yeah, yeah,
there's definitely a geneticcomponent to that is there any
way that you can tell, becauseyou know, like some dogs are
like uh, they're tested for hipdysplasia and stuff like that.
Can they be tested for seizures?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't think, from what I know, there's no gene
testing for that.
But I mean, if you have a dogand they have seizures, you
shouldn't, shouldn't be breedingthem, right In my opinion?
Okay, because that does happensometimes, where some dogs from
(13:06):
the same litter like a couple ofthe dogs have seizures and it's
like, okay, you shouldn't bebreeding those dogs.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Right, yeah, okay, so that's just something you
should ask and, hopefully, thebreeders are honest about it.
Yeah, they shouldn't bebreeding it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they shouldn't be breeding it.
They shouldn't be does, butit's only like every other day.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So we figured we were okay, he's kind of hoping yeah
or not?
How important is it to yourhunting dogs to have
well-trimmed and manicured nailsyeah, definitely, definitely
important.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Um, I uh saw a dog last week actually that caught
its nail on something andcompletely ripped ripped the
nail off.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Um, doesn't grow back , does it it it will.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It will eventually with time.
Sometimes it doesn't go backcompletely straight, um, but
with time it will grow back.
But yeah, especially forhunting dogs when they're
running through the woods, um,like brush and sticks and that,
um, if their nails are long,they can definitely get caught
up on stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So okay, and then say you got a duck dog and you're
going out duck hunting and it'sbeen a bit warm and stuff and
the pond looks a little off andyour dog's like, oh it's hot,
I'm thirsty, and just startsdrinking it down Would you
recommend that?
Say no.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, definitely not.
If you can see algae on thesurface of the water, the dog
should not be.
Like any algae, I wouldn't withmy dog.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
If there's any algae?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
no, especially with the risk of the blue-green algae
like the cyanobacteria thatoften is deadly.
There's not many dogs thatsurvive that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Really it's that bad.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, especially if they've like intake quite a bit
of quite like a significantamount of water.
Yeah, there's not really comingback from that unless they get
critical care quite fast.
So yeah, when with the pondsbeing icky and algae on the top,
I wouldn't, I wouldn't let mydog drink from it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
OK, you're the vet.
Okay, that's interesting.
Say, what would you do if yourdog did drink a lot and then
you'd notice after it's notfeeling that well, just get it
to the vet or induce vomiting.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I would take it to the vet right away because
we have drugs that we can use toinduce vomiting Hydrogen
peroxide in a pinch for a dogcan do the trick, but if they, I
would say get them to a vet,because sometimes too it will
(15:34):
give them will induce vomitingbut will give them activated
charcoal too to try and absorbany toxins uh any uh toxins that
are still left in their body.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So Okay, another common thing in the field,
sometimes more common than notskunk sprays.
Can those people think, oh,your dog just smells, but like
it can, it can, almost it cankill a dog, can it not?
The dog goes into, oranaphylaxis, anaphylaxis, what
is it you say it?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Anaphylaxis, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, so what is that ?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's really kind of like when their body goes into
shock.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yes, from the spray, from just getting it, yeah, so
pungent and right in their face.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, because some dogs get skunked quite bad
and especially sprayed in theirface.
Yeah, yeah, because some dogsget skunked quite bad and
especially sprayed in the face,like their eyes, and that it's
very like stings their face.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But yeah, sometimes that's unavoidable, though, with
the skunks right.
Any tips for that?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
besides not getting sprayed, don't bring your dog
out at dawn or dusk.
We'll be hunt coons, I know, soyou can't really avoid that.
Yeah, besides not gettingsprayed, don't bring your dog
out at dawn or dusk.
Which I know so you can'treally avoid that.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Luckily we have so far Knock on wood.
We've come across skunks, butthey've never bothered them
After a coon.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, because usually they just do it when they feel
threatened.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, so if the coon does happen to spray right in
the face of the dogs, likedoesn't seem to be doing well.
I mean, how often is it thatit's like a dire situation?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I've never seen it be a dire situation before.
No, most of the time they dojust fine.
You give them, clean them up asbest you can, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So what the dogs do?
I've always heard you know wetalk about stomach flipping.
Um, so with the dogs too, I'vealways heard you know we talk
about stomach flipping.
So the dog's like running realhard and all that.
It's hot out or whatever.
I've always waited to give themwater for about a week now, uh,
for, for a little bit, whenthey've calmed down a bit,
because is that what causesstomach flip flipping, when
they're like just lapping it allup?
Now I know when they're outrunning to come across, across a
(17:37):
brook or something they'regoing to, but yeah, Um, what it
is.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
it can be when they're eating or when they're
drinking and they're intaking alot of air at the same time.
So often when they're drinking,if they're drinking really fast
and they're swallowing a lot ofair, it's the air that the
stomach just fills with air andthen the stomach will flip and
twist to the other side.
That's what does it yeah, that'swhat does it.
Uh, it's typically the deepchested dogs too, um, like great
(18:07):
danes, german shepherds, likestandard poodles.
Those are the dogs that weoften see with the with the
stomach flipping oh really yeah,yeah, and in some so that's
what, that's what causes it,that's what causes it.
It's all the air going into thestomach?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
How can you tell your dog just like and like, just
like, feel good, like they justkind of?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, often the signs that they present with is
retching.
Yeah, it's because theirstomach's twisted and they don't
feel good and then the bloodsupply to their organ starts to
get cut off and then it's kindof life or death at that point.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Really yeah, so you got to get them in quick.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You have to get them in quick.
Yeah, if you don't get them inquick, things can go wrong
pretty quick, like within a fewhours.
You can.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, on a happier note.
So I mean we're getting, we'regetting into hunting season and
all that a little bit more now.
I mean, how important is it forthe proper food nutrition we
feed anookshook dog food?
Uh, you've looked into that.
How do you feel aboutanookshook?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
yeah, the anookshook is great for um, for dogs that
are hunting, especially becausethey need that extra, extra
protein, extra calories.
Uh, especially because theyneed that extra protein, extra
calories, especially if they'reworking hard, like I know.
Your beagles sometimes run 20kilometers.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
They run a lot more than that.
Right now we're just working upto it, Okay you're working up
to it, okay.
They're past that, but once weget going, I mean they've put on
60 before.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In one day.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, oh, my goodness, okay, I know some guys who
listen to that and they're likethat's nothing really that's
cool, but yeah, um, they're only13 inches high they're fast
yeah, they are um, yeah, I knowthe enochug's great um for
hunting dogs.
I I know this to all our dogsyeah, there's a lot of people
that feed their dogs.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That, um, yeah, as long as people are following the
label.
You know, keeping your dogsnice and lean, but also good
weight, um, it's a great optionbut just having the proper
calories and in nutritionespecially working hard.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You got these bear hounds going out running, for
you know double the miles thatmy dogs are putting on stuff
like that.
Right, I mean you know you wantthem in tip top condition.
If you're in snow conditions,things like that, right.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, working definitely harder in the snow.
Yeah, it's a great.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Great product.
Highly recommend it, endorsedby vets.
I'll tell you we feed andrecommend it.
So a question what dog whenyou're at the vet office, are
you bit by the most and are youbit much?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
No, not bit that much .
We're like as vets, we'repretty good at picking up on the
warning signs of dogs.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like growling and showing teeth.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, that stuff.
Usually that's right beforethey're about to bite, but
sometimes they can.
They'll give us whale eye, sothey'll be looking kind of
sideways at you, showing a lotof the white of their eye.
Sometimes they'll be lickingtheir lips or yawning.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Those are kind of some the yawning's a sign yeah
yawning's a sign of kind ofbeing like fearful anxious.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I thought it was because sign of kind of being
like fearful anxious.
Um, so that's because they'retired, no, um.
So we're pretty good at pickingup on those signs.
I mean we, like, if we feelthat it's necessary, we'll.
We'll often say to owners likeare you okay if we put a muzzle
on, just just for our safety andfor your, the dog safety as
well?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
hate to open up a can of whoop-ass on your pet, but
didn't you say that a lot morepeople than you think you deal
with are scared of their dog?
How important is it to haveyour dog, that you're not scared
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, there are some people that are a little bit
fearful in those situations.
I think a lot of it comes backto training when they first get
the dog.
Genetics also plays a role intothat.
Stuff like anxiety.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It does a lot, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It does.
Yeah, Anxiety and fearaggression, but there are, like
I always say to people, youshould try going to a trainer.
You know working with a dogLike there's always hope for,
Even if it's a hunting dog andyou're just going to a trainer.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know working with the dog like there's always
hope for even if it's a huntingdog and you're just gonna use
for hunting.
I mean, how important is it forsocialization, socialization?
Oh, just have them out, right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
no, very, very important.
Just because they're a huntingdog doesn't mean they should be
fearful in every situation otherthan when they're you know,
have them out around people,around a bunch of other dogs.
Every dog should be socializedand be not scared in a public
environment.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yes, it's like people , the ones that don't get
socialized enough sometimes doshootings in places that they
shouldn't.
You've got to have people outand about and comfortable.
They don't have to do it allthe time, but should be
socialized.
Yes, they should be socialized,right?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, they should be socialized.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You said it, not me, so okay, no, that's interesting.
I mean, what are some otherimportant things with just your
general dog health stuff?
Maybe bringing water along foryour dogs I mean you can have
them drink water as they'reworking, but just careful
they're not just like sucking itback, yeah yeah, um making sure
they're vaccinated for diseasesthat are prevalent in your area
(23:26):
um like here we, we people thatmost people that have hunting
dogs will vaccinate for lymedisease because there's ticks
yeah, there's ticks yeah there'sticks.
Parvo right, Can any dog justget parvo?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Parvo, they get from another dog.
Okay yeah, lepto is another one.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They can get that from drinking out of puddles,
right yeah they can get thatfrom drinking out of puddles.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's like raccoons and rodents they spread it in
their urine.
Technically like even if araccoon urinate somewhere and
your dog steps where theyurinated and then licks their
paw.
They can catch it like that aswell as if they have contact
with the urine and it goes intheir mouth.
They can get it and that is areally bad bacteria that will
(24:15):
cause damage to the kidneys andthe liver.
The lepto yeah, the lepto and ifthey don't get treated in a
timely fashion it can be fatal.
In some dogs it can cause a lotof damage to their kidneys and
liver, so definitely should bevaccinated for that.
It's very.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So be up to date on your vaccinations.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, Rabies too, of course.
Yes, raccoons, yeah, well, Iremember yeah, be up to date on
your on your vaccinations, yeahrabies too, of course.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes, raccoons, yeah, well, I remember, yeah, when we
first got the vet that we hadyou know she's like when we
first got the coon hands like um, are they in contact around uh,
raccoons much and stuff like uh, fair amount yeah fair amount
like face to face with them on apretty regular basis yeah, they
definitely need to bevaccinated for rabies uh is
rabies.
It's not real prevalent, no,but need to be vaccinated for
rabies.
It's not real prevalent aroundhere, but still should be
vaccinated.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, still should be vaccinated Not super prevalent,
but still we vaccinate for itbecause it's deadly.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
If you get rabies Well, I heard with humans once
you show signs of it, it's toolate.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That's it, You're done, yeah, and a lot of people
too.
They don't know because they'lloften get bit by a bat that
went into their house right andbecause the bat's teeth make
such small.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I heard that if you see a bat flying around your
house when you wake up, they sayyou should just get the rabies,
you just go get.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, isn't it quite an ordeal.
Uh, to get the rabies vaccine.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
To get rabies?
Oh, to get rabies.
No to get the rabies vaccines.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh, with people you have to.
It depends if you've beenpreviously vaccinated.
So most people, unless you'relike a vet professional, you're
not going to be vaccinated forrabies.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Or a wildlife handler , or a wildlife handler.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, um, you have to get a few, quite a few vaccines
like boosters um to beprotected.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
A lot boosters um to be protected.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
A lot a few, I can't remember I'll probably just roll
the dice with rabies.
Yeah, I don't think I would dothat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right, I'll get vaccinated like oh, I'd rather
die than get another needle.
Well, you've only had one, soyou know, okay, um, all right,
that's interesting yeah and then, um, like I said, just even
when you get them as a puppy,like how important is for good,
good, nutritious food, juststarting early, like always have
them on that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, they should always be on a good, nutritious
food, especially when they're apup, because they're growing
Right.
So if you have a large breeddog, you want to make sure their
calcium and phosphorus isbalanced properly so they don't
grow too too fast.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right, balanced properly so they don't grow too
too fast.
Right, because you get into hipproblem.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, joint problems, yeah, yeah, you just want their
, their bones, to grow at aproper rate.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Um, yeah, um, also, you know, you see people that
get young dogs.
They're training them right andthey're running them good and
hard like I'm gonna run this doghard and everything.
I mean, how important is itwhen they're they're growing and
developing?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
don't run them that hard you don't want to be
running them too hard andpushing them too hard when
they're a pup.
You kind of have to justgradually increase it?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Can it affect their bones?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, it can.
You can just be hard on themwhen they're growing like that,
so you kind of have to limitthem when they're a young
growing, and then you cangradually increase it over time.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Okay, dew claws.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, they're a pain in the ass, people that
have hunting dogs there.
They're terrible to have onthem.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So I've had quite a few people ask can you remove
the dew claws when we go toneuter them?
But by the province?
We cannot remove the dewclawswhen we go to neuter them, but
by the province.
We cannot remove the dewclawsunless there's a medical reason
to do so Can you just rip themout when they're puppies?
No.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay.
Well not you, not a vet, butlike somebody.
Would it be immense pain?
You can't do that, yeah, no, Iwouldn't recommend that.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Because there's skin there.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Sometimes there's bone attaching there is
sometimes okay kind of itdepends sometimes like they rip
when they're out in the way,like I don't know why they still
have them.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, really um, they definitely can be, can be an
inconvenience, um, but yeah, wetechnically cannot remove them
unless, like, if it's like halfripped off, then yes, we can
remove it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But now what other areas like in the end,
throughout Canada, in the UnitedStates?
Do you think that varies?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think that does vary.
Yeah, definitely, definitelydoes.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But if you can get it done.
Would you recommend it forhunting dogs?
I mean, generally, it can be.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean they can, they can catch their catch, any
digit on anything, right?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I know it's there, it's a little bit more dangly.
I usually tell people just makesure the nails cut short,
because if it's not then yournail's long like any of the
other nails, can catch on stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
When I was younger I didn't cut one of my long
toenails for some reason on theY, and I was sliding on my socks
in the kitchen right into thecupboards the kitchen cupboards
there on the floor.
It hurt quite a bit, cracked itand I cut my nails after that.
I was young, I was quite young.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I cut my nails regularly now, oh gosh, yeah,
cracked it, your big toe.
Yes, cracked the Was your skinexposed.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The skin on my big toe.
Yeah, it hurt.
I was young.
I don't know how old I was.
I was like 30.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, I was in middle school.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, no, just wondering.
I'm glad you cut your toenailsnow.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah Well, it's like a defense mechanism.
I kick people with it, I cutthem to a point.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Sword.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, on guard.
You know, um, that's what it'slike with flip-flop season with
me, um, but okay, yeah, shannon,is there anything else that you
like to?
I mean, there's a lot, there'svery broad subject here,
obviously, but any other, like,we're just going over the basic
stuff, we're not getting too indepth with anything.
Is there anything else you'dlike to?
Uh, to add?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I mean not that I can think of off the top of my head
, just being mindful of your,your dog paying attention to
signs.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yes, like how they're feeling, yeah, yeah seeing how
they're picking up on that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Um, because you can catch stuff early if you're
paying attention to that stuff.
Um, yeah, and sometimes,sometimes stuff doesn't, uh,
isn't so obvious.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Like, for example, you've had one of your beagles
before, as he, she was it, itwas gringo, yeah, yeah he, he
was running a lot, he washunting last year and I don't
know if he he fell or slammedinto a tree stump or what, but
he ended up getting a Bruise,bruise.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Quite a bruise on the side of him and he was down.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He didn't know what to do he just came out and he
looked like he didn't want to doanything.
I'm like what's wrong?
I go to pick him up, he squeals.
I'm like what is wrong with him?
We took him in to get x-rays atyour vet, but you guys found he
had this huge bruise, right?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, he had a little pocket of fluid, yeah, and then
when I went to shave over thepockets of fluid because we were
going to sample it, we saw hewas bruised quite bad.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And it was quite a big bruise, I think.
He came off like a bit of ahill and slammed into yeah, he
must have slammed into somethingquite hard, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Because it was no wonder, when we were touching
his belly he was so painful.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But he got over it.
Fine, but what's it called?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
a hema Like they can have like a hematoma.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not.
You know he got over it.
Fine.
But I know at first like holyshit, I don't know, we didn't
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, there was quite a bruise there when we clipped
his hair.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We kind of knew our answer there.
Nothing was broken or anything,just the bruise, nothing was
broken, thankfully.
So, just being mindful, I'mtrying to think of what we did
for him.
He was on medication, but theycan kind of sleep that off.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, he was on some anti-inflammatory pain
medication.
Just like in people when we geta bruise, you just got to give
it time.
Take some pain medication andit'll heal with time.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean, that'd be a really big bruise for a
person on a beagle.
It's half their body how he gotit.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, that was quite big.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, shannon, thanks for coming on.
I'm sure we'll be having you onagain and I'm going to have
lots more questions for you, butthis is a good basic
introduction to general doghealth.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, thanks for having me on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Anytime.
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