Sardine Tins And Sheep Butts: An East Coaster's Rocky Mountain Adventure

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
this is sunset outfitting podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken marr.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
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Welcome to the podcast.
Hey, I'm thrilled to have youlistening to this week's podcast

(00:35):
.
I'd like to thank you guys forin for a treat, as always, but
this week you will be getting astory told by none other than
myself.
When I have people on thepodcast telling one of their
hunting adventures, I like totry and get a good picture of it
in my head.
So I will try my best toarticulate my past week's hunt
back to you, but I may forgetsome things.

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So also on this podcast aregood friends of mine and very
frequent past guests, ryanWasalius and Lane Lewis.
They will hopefully be askingme some of the questions that
you may be thinking of in yourhead while you listen.
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Right now let's talk sheep LaneRyan.
Thanks for joining me.
Boys, I know you guys have hadsome questions about the hunt
and I have myself and I'm hopingto work through that tonight.

(02:21):
No, but I figured we'd just dothis podcast while it's still
fairly fresh in my mind, exceptfor I was sleep deprived and
crying a bit and worn out on thehunt, but I should be able to
remember most of it because it'sjust a couple days ago.
So I figured, yeah, I'd haveyou guys out tonight and we'll
go through the sheep hunt.
Thanks for coming out, boys.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Thanks for having us, ken.
Yeah, thanks.
Stare at me awkwardly, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
So yeah.
So this past week I was able togo on a bighorn sheep hunt in
Alberta with my friend, chrisPalmer.
Chris was on episode 28 of thepodcast where he talked all
about his sheep hunting tacticsand everything out there, and
that episode's done really well,I was on that one too, you were
on that one.
Yes, yeah, that's right.

(03:09):
Um, how it met Chris.
We met through, uh, a mutualfriend and, um, chris came to
the podcast, you know, andtalked about sheep hunting.
And then, remember, lane, youknow, let me know.
I'm like, oh, yeah, you know,never thought much about it,
right?
And then, uh, chris hadmentioned it a couple more times
.
I'm like, yeah, like, uh, I'mgoing to be honest.
Chris was surprised Cause Itold him.
I said I haven't camped in atent since elementary, middle

(03:33):
school, maybe, like I, I likehunting.
I'll stay out in the woods allday, I'll go coon hunting and
run it all night, but I usuallywant to come home at one point.
I'm not a camper I'm just not acamper.
Anyways, I did it, I did itfine.
Chris was surprised when I toldhim that he's like oh, so this
is like a shock to you.
I'm like a little bit uh, yeah,you know, I did fine, but I'm
normally just not a camper, I'man outdoorsman.

(03:55):
But yeah, um, and then, uh,what sold it for me was chris's
little montage video, uh, fromlast year's hunt, the highlights
from it and everything likethat.
After I saw that I'm like, oh,that was really cool.
And he's like, well, just comeout.
So I was like, all right, I'lldo it, I'll come out, you know,
um, so that's that's how I gotyou know linked up with going

(04:15):
out on the hunt.
So then the next thing for thehunt is, uh, you know, after I
bought my plane ticket andeverything is the gear.
So I've never I've spent a lotof time in the woods hunting,
running the hounds, stuff likethat, right, uh, I've never had
real good hunting gear.
I just kind of suffered it outbecause I knew it'd be home at
some point during the day.
So, you know, rubber boots anda plaid jacket from walmart good

(04:38):
to go, right, uh.
But I knew that up in themountains in the rocky mountains
of alberta, probably wasn'tgoing to cut it.
So I was lucky.
I got everything on sale, exceptfor my boots and my boxers and
the thong.
No, but I was lucky.
I got everything on sale butthat.

(04:59):
So Kuyu and Scree I just wait,they're having their big Labor
Day sale.
They're having their Spring Madlabor day sale.
They're having like their uh,spring madness sale or summer
savings sale or whatever allthis sales.
So I was really lucky.
I was getting, you know, 40, 50off, 25 off.
So that was lucky.
Um, I discovered new thingslike gators, the old boot chats.

(05:22):
Um, those were cool becauseChris was like.
He like, I'm not saying youneed them, he's like, but I'm
just saying that I never leavehome without mine on.
I'm like okay.
So I ended up getting those.
Those were like 50% off, rightand very cool.
The old boot chaps.
I had them on and there's evena video of me going across this

(05:44):
creek or whatever, and I thinkthe water stopped like damn near
my knees, just low below, nevergot wet at all, like couldn't
believe it.
And then just going through,like the day we were hiking out
there, there was a lot of um,there was a lot of dew and all
that.
It's really wet.
It rained a bit, it rained alittle bit on us, but we were
unbelievably blessed with theweather.
Like no complaints at all.

(06:04):
But going out there that day itwas a bit wet, it had rained
overnight and everything and myboots.
That was fun with the gators on, you know.
Uh, for boots I went with theloa boots.
I can't remember what modelthey are, but they're the second
most expensive pair on theirwebsite.
That narrows it down foranybody so um, they're the.

(06:25):
I think the military wears them.
I got a friend in the militaryand he had the exact same pair
of boots.
Chris wears them for work.
That same set.
Mine were brown, his are black.
Really happy with the boots, soI treated them not once but
twice.
You spray them with this stuff,wait 24 hours and you rub in

(06:46):
this cream on it or whateverhelps waterproof them, because
it's got gore-tex on it andeverything.
Uh, I couldn't believe howlucky I was with.
I mean, I wore them a bit tobreak them in before the hunt,
but you think you've got, youknow, say, 40, 50 pounds on your
back.
You're going straight up,straight down on all these rocks
, putting all these miles on,going through water and
everything.
I didn't have a single blister.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I couldn't believe it not, not one.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
My feet yes I know, um, yeah, not one blister at all
all the walking that we did andthey're still newer boots.
I think I had them brokenenough, but not a tremendous
amount of miles on them and theboots held up really good,
really good.
Uh, the, the Scree Gators againawesome For pants.

(07:27):
I had on for the whole trip.
I had on the Scree hardscrabblepants Gotta talk a little shit
about Scree.
They got a lifetime warranty, soit's good.
But the, I mean they were tough, I wore them the entire time
but the stitching was coming outby the pocket a little bit.
Not real bad, but the stitchingdid come undone a bit and stuff
on the right hand side of thepocket, so I wasn't overly

(07:50):
impressed by that.
Like Chris was saying, he'slike well, you can tell Scree,
you know, not to make acomparison necessarily, but the
Kuyu attack pants he had on thewhole time and his pockets were
fine.
The camel pattern on them waspretty cool though, and then.
So this is the nice thing abouthaving quality gear.
I've never had gear that doesthis.
You know, if it's hot, justsweat it out, whatever.

(08:10):
Uh, we're like hiking and I'mlike man, like I could.
At first it's cool and then, um, you know, it warms up.
And then I was like man I couldfucking put on a pair of shorts
right now.
Right, it was so warm.
And then I realized, on thehard scrabble pants, you just
unzip the side and then you knowit's that mesh there and you
can breathe.
So I I'm like, oh, so Iunzipped.

(08:31):
Then just you feel all this hotair come out because I've been
farting all day.
But, um, anyways, I was like,wow, that's comfortable.
So like we're going along andum, yeah, just had that unzipped
when it got real hot and itjust it aired you out so nicely
and then when we'd stop it wouldcool down again really quickly
because we were sweating and allthat just sipping right back up
till we got going again.

(08:52):
So I was like that was neat,like just having quality gear,
you know, like that.
Um, so that was, that wasreally handy.
Uh, what else?
I got a, a Sitka toque to wearthere, just to wear at night,
and all that.
It felt like there was nothingon and I was so comfortable.
And what was Chris saying?
The Sitka slogan is Be Bold,start Cold.

(09:14):
I think it is.
Yeah, be Bold, start Cold.
The guy that has Sitka saidthat, yeah, so like starting out
in the morning, it'd be alittle chilly.
It'd get down at night, I don'tknow, like three, four degrees,
and so in the morning you'd belike kind of cool, but you're
not layering up Cause he'd beheated up in about 10 minutes
maybe, right, so you just likeshivering going along and then

(09:36):
warm up marina ones.
They were like.
They were like 50, 60 bucks,right, I'm like holy shit,
that's a lot for boxers.
But then, um, I got thinking mywalmart fruit and loom boxes
when I'm going up the mountainmy ass is chafing.
I was like you know what.
I think I could have splurgedand spent a couple more dollars
than 10 uh on boxers.

(09:56):
So the boxers that I had on, uh, no complaints at all, sweating
and this, and that the odor, itkept the odor down and um and
they were comfortable chris,thank you for that, yeah, um no,
they were really reallycomfortable.
Uh, I didn't have any buttchafing, nothing like that.
Like no complaints to theboxers at all.

(10:16):
Um, what else did I have on forgear?
I had uh, the, uh, oh, the kuyucould be 300 merino wool,
hoodie thing, whatever.
That was really comfy.
That was really really comfy.
I wore it at night zipped upand all that in my sleeping bag
to keep me warm.
And then during the day, whenit was a bit cooler, glassing
and stuff, good material on it,really, you know, tough and

(10:39):
everything.
Yeah, just kind of gear likethat.
I had the Scree long john Johnson for at night and everything.
I didn't really need themduring the day.
Those were awesome, handledwell.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, yeah, uh, real happy with that you ran a base
layer under everything too,didn't you?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Um, so just at night, during the day, we hike in the
mountains and get warmed uppretty quick.
Yeah, uh, I hadn't at night tooPretty quick.
Yeah, I had at night too tokeep my core warm and everything
it helped.
I had an Under Armour muscleshirt on.
That helped a lot too.
But no, during the day I had onlike one of those like
long-sleeve T-Max, almost likean Under Armour material shirt,

(11:20):
long-sleeve, and I just rolledthe sleeves up when I got warm,
rolled them down when we stoppedfor a bit.
You know that worked reallywell too.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
What were the daytime temperatures?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Daytime temperatures were, I mean, it'd be anywhere
from 10 degrees to, I don't know, maybe 15, but 15 like
mid-afternoon at the sun.
Yeah, I mean up on the mountainsthat when you're up there it is
amazing, changed like, andespecially like the sun's there.
It's warm, the sun goes away.
I noticed that a lot too in themountains is the sun takes a

(11:47):
while to come up, and when itgoes down at night it goes down
way quicker because we're up sohigh.
Yeah, so, um, yeah it, uh, yeah, that was interesting, just
being like that.
So it.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, the temperatures during the day were
pretty good and you probablywas there a difference too with
elevation?
Yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Higher or lower the temperature would change.
Yeah, being from New Brunswickhere, and at sea level, yeah, I
could definitely notice thethinner air.
Yep, yeah 100%, I could.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
That was the gear.
Did you end up trying any ofyour rain gear out?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, so that was the awesome thing.
I spent a lot of money on raingear.
I got the Kuyu rain pants Oneof the pairs of Kuyu pants on
sale and they're still.
I think they're over $300.
And the Cabela's Instinctjacket, which I also got on sale
.
Like Chris was saying, it'slike an insurance thing.
It's kind of pricey.
You hope to never use it, butwhen you do have to you're damn

(12:41):
glad it's there.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
One of those things you're rather looking at than
looking for.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, exactly.
So we got rained on a little,but not enough to break out the
rain gear, so we were reallylucky about that.
When we got back later on thelast day, that night it did rain
a bit.
So we're like huh Dodge thatYep, no, super, super fortunate
with the weather.
So the plane ride in.
I forgot how much I hate flying.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean I'll do it, but I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
No, but you know, just getting to the airport and
I'm a people person, I likepeople in general, until you get
to like airports and stuff andit's like, oh man, I just hate
everybody right now.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, I think that's the most miserable a lot of
people are too is in an airport,because they just want
destination, yeah, and in a rushtoo well, it's just so many
people there.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm not like a huge germaphobe, but like he had
everyone from all these, fromeverywhere.
Right now it's like coughingand farting and sneezing and
going it's like anyways.
Um.
So, not a huge fan of flying,but don't mind doing it to get
to my destination obviouslybeats walking, right, yep, um.
So yeah, I had to take a fewflights Went from Moncton to

(13:44):
Montreal to Edmonton, to Calgaryon the way out.
On the way back it was justCalgary to Montreal to Moncton,
but yeah, going out there andthen, yeah, you know you're
getting on the plane and yeah,everyone's on there.
Everyone in first class is likestaring at you, right, it's
funny too, on first class howthey even put that curtain

(14:06):
across.
Like these guys made more moneythan you.
They're doing better in life.
You don't need to see whatthey're doing now.
Right, when I go by, I fart, Ifart.
Going by, I was just like letit off, didn't know.
All right, shut the curtain,see.
So yeah, and then, you know, onthe plane my ears did pop a
little going on the first flight.
So I've got the gum in, right,you know you're supposed to chew

(14:28):
gum and swallow, not the gum,but just like make, yeah, kept
going through gum like youwouldn't believe swallowing it
all down, but just swallowingtoo.
You're supposed to keep yourears from popping.
I don't know, it didn't dogreat, but I'm just like Like.
Just like, what'd you say?
We're landing soon, no, butanyway.
So, yeah, I did that and yeah,I got through it all and stuff.

(14:51):
You know a couple of kidscrying.
I was crying a bit, but justbecause my ears were hurting.
But you know, it was good, itwas good.
It was funny.
Though, coming back, I almostdidn't make my flight from
Montreal to Moncton Airportbecause we got in just a little
late, not really, but they'relike.
They get on the plane.
They're like, ladies andgentlemen, this here, captain
speaking, it appears like we'reat the wrong terminal, so we're

(15:12):
just going to have to wait andget towed to the right one.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Everyone's like, oh for fuck's sake.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
It's funny too, you know, when planes land, I'm not
one of those people Everyonejust like stands up and runs up
to the front, right, it's likeyou're not, you're not gaining
any, we're all getting off hereroughly the same time.
You're not getting gaining it.
So everyone's like standingthere like all bitchy.
Right, I was sitting down, Iknew, you know, I knew not to to

(15:48):
go right.
And then so they're standingthere right.
And then, um, it was like Idon't know 10, 15 minutes later,
the captain goes like ladiesand gentlemen, it's your captain
again.
Uh, I'm just gonna have to askeverybody to uh take a seat
because while we get towed soyou don't get knocked over,
thanks, everyone's like.
Ah, everyone's like going backto their seats like and then uh,
and then I knew who was goingto be a little eager beavers
when we were getting off Right.
So when we could finally getoff, I stood up first and, like,
ran off, I was like yeah.
I got you guys, um, but I barelymade I get to the gate going to

(16:11):
Moncton.
I didn't really see anybodythere.
I was like looking.
I was like, oh, it says I thinkit was later, I'm early and I,
you know I go up.
And I was like, hey, uh.
I was like, yes, going tomonkton.
Or she's like, are you?
I'm like I think so.
Yeah, I hope so.
And then she's like, well, youbetter run.
She's like because they justboarded and they're doing the

(16:31):
last call, she's or they alreadydid last call, sorry.
So anyways, I ran through thelittle tunnel thing and got on
the plane, but they were done,they were loaded.
I'm like, oh yeah yeah.
Sorry, I was just talking to afriend out there.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Everyone on the plane is just glaring at you.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I haven't seen him in a while.
Yeah, so the plane ride.
So we get out there and getinto Calgary.
It's awesome and Chris picks meup.
First stop we went to was theBass Pro out in Iron Cross, iron
Mills or Iron Cross Mills Mall,and it's awesome.
I and it's Iron Cross, ironMills or Iron Cross Mills Mall,
and it's awesome.
I think it's the largest BassPro in Canada.

(17:08):
If not, it would definitely beone of them, but it's a good
size.
So that was great.
Picked up some stuff there.
We got the, so then we startedgetting food right.
So we got the Peak Refuel food.
So I'd never used them before.
My buddy, connor, who's in themilitary.
He gave me his jet boil andhe's like, he's like here.
I got another one.
He said you can take this jetwill, because I borrowed a bit

(17:28):
of gear from Connor board a 800Gram down jacket, stuff, which
is pretty cool.
I didn't know that the downmeant down feathers, cuz I was
like holes in it.
I'm like pulling out these.
I'm like, well, that's where myfeathers on, like fuck thing is
.
Like pulling the feathers outand then Coming from the jacket,
I'm like, well, it just uh,it's not 800 grams now.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
That's now 750.
Yeah yeah.
Down jacket 699.
The way to go, I got one.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Uh, it's pretty cool Connor's saying, though they're
not supposed to get like realwet.
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Anyways it didn't Probably because of the feathers
in them.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Old duck feathers get wet.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mean they can still get wet.
I was wearing, that's what Iwas wearing during the moose
hunt and it was a very wet moosehunt, oh yeah, and I was dry
Like.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I said I didn't know they had feathers.
I'm like, oh, down-filledfeathers, I'm like pulling them.
I'm like, oh, I must havecaught these somewhere at home
or something, except for I don'thave any birds, but anyways.
And then I realized I was likeplucking connor's jacket.
But it's fine, connor, it'sfine.
He stuffed it feels like crowfeathers and jammed them back in
.
It's like wearing a strawjacket now, but, um, anyway.

(18:36):
So, uh, yeah, I had that.
So he gave me the jet boil andI was like, well, how do you,
how do you use jet boil?
Connor's like, oh, he's likethe guy, the guy you're going
with, will know how to use it,chris.
I'm like, okay, um, slick, holyshit those things like you.
Just well, you just you put inthe water that you need a cup,
two cups in there, whatever.
And when you have those peakrefuel meals, um, you, just so,

(18:58):
you put the jet boil on this.
You have a little fuel canisterthing, it all folds up.
You just click the button, itit lights itself.
I'd say a minute, a minute.
It's heated, two minutes max.
Your water's boiled and there'sa little thing on the side and
it turns orange, like thislittle screen thing I don't know
, we don't call it on goingaround the canister on the

(19:20):
sleeve and it goes orange.
When the top of it, it goes up.
And when the top of it's orange, turn it off.
Water's all good, boiled, readyto go.
You just pour it into the peakrefuel pack and then you shake
it up and all that, everything,seal it, leave it for 10 minutes
and it says how much water isput in it, like a cup, two cups,
cup and a quarter, and thenopen up and eat and I'll tell
you.

(19:41):
Uh, chris was saying this is whycompetition is so good, because
competition it breedsexcellence.
I think, and he said that thesemeals, the dehydrated meals,
used to be like so-so and thenmore companies started getting
into it and it's really tasty.
So everyone else startedstepping up their game and the
peak refuel packs that we had.
I mean, if I did one at homeand put it on a plate here, you

(20:01):
wouldn't know it, it'sdehydrated.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, no complaints at all.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
So, in the run of a day, what would your meals look
like?
Like what all did you eat?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, so Chris had said this before when he'd come
on and then we did that, so wewent to.
We didn't eat like overlyhealthy, okay, because it's
still a vacation, even thoughit's a hard day.
So breakfast consisted ofcoronas and, uh, kinder
surprises, no, uh.
So breakfast consisted.
So we went to the 7-elevenbecause they got 7-elevens out

(20:30):
there in alberta everywhere andhe bought these, uh, cinnamon
buns in a package and they're590 calories.
Because you just him and I areboth small guys.
You want to get calories in you.
Yep, right, we're not watchingyour weight out there, because
we're burning a lot.
You're always caloric deficient, so we have that.
And you take those sticky bunsand you dip them in coffee.

(20:52):
Holy shit, it is good.
Now, speaking of coffee, so tostart the coffee in the morning,
you use the jet boil and allthat.
And Tim Hortons for youCanadian listeners, tim Hortons
and I guess there's Tims in theStates too they have
double-double pre-mixed packets,dry packs.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Really that's cool, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
so you just take the double-double dry pack, put it
in there, put your boiling waterin, stir it up.
It tastes just like a regulardouble-double.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And then you dip your cinnamon roll in that.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Dip your cinnamon roll in that and yeah, it was
really good, so we'd have that.
Then you have, like you know,some cliff bars, beef jerky.
You'd always have a package ofbeef jerky throughout the day.
Snickers, twix, you know stufflike that.
Mangoes he had dehydratedmangoes.
We had those too and everything.
But breakfast was mainly somebeef jerky, a cliff bar or

(21:41):
something like protein bar,cinnamon bun, coffee and all
that.
So, yeah, that was breakfastbasically most mornings.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And then would you just snack throughout the day
and then have a big supper atthe end.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, so throughout the day, yeah, just snack and
then at the end of the day havethe dehydrated meal.
You get back to camp and allthat.
I'll be looking forward to itbecause I was really hungry and
it was good.
But during the day, yeah, youhave enough.
Like I said, all that, beefjerky and protein bars and this,
and that I mean you're.
You're getting not maybeexactly what you need, but I was

(22:15):
okay, you know, uh, for thenfor water.
So where we valleys and he hecalled it's a creek.
Apparently here we call it ariver and the water's just
beautiful.
It's like that nice blue color.
It's because it's glacier, it'scoming, it's coming from the
glaciers so it's glacier water,so it's like that nice almost
turquoise tinge to it sort ofthing.
Uh, it was really cool, so westayed at the bottom there.

(22:37):
So then for water, I mean youcould have drank it straight.
He said probably, but he's hadbeaver fever before or whatever
it's not worth risking it.
Well, I don't want to beshitting myself all the way out.
So, yeah, it just wasn't worthrisking it, but he probably
could.
I brushed my teeth in it.
It was cool to wake up in themorning you know, brush your
teeth in there, splash clear,nice creek glacier water on your

(22:57):
face in the morning to wake upand it was cold.
So so we we had he had a big,uh, bigger bag thing that he'd
fill up and then that I'd filterit at the camp and then for
just on the go or whatever.

(23:18):
He had this other thing whereyou just dip it in the water,
screw the top on it's got afilter on there and then you
just squeeze it, this bag, andthen it goes into your water
bottle and stuff so yeah um, sothat was handy.
So I guess that covers itbasically for food and
everything yep packing for it.
So then the next day, so we getup and uh, so I'm not getting
super into specifics for thehunt because, in respect to ch?

(23:42):
Uh, because he's put in, soChris has put in quite a bit of
time it's hard to completelyhone your skills on the sheep
hunt because you think about?
I was listening, I was watchingthis video on YouTube of this
outfitter in Alberta and he saidthat when people come hunting
with them they'll ask him whatare my odds of getting a?
You know, a legal Ram?
A legal Ram in alberta is atrophy ram, it's, it's a, it's a

(24:08):
trophy um, not just a legal one.
And he said about as good asgetting a boone and crockett
whitetail.
And if anyone's got shot booneand crockett whitetails, they
know how hard that is.
But the thing is about that is,with whitetails for most people
you can, you know, work at iton the weekends, you can work at
it every day after work.
You know stuff like that.
Right, with the sheep huntyou're not just like, oh, I'm
gonna pop out to my spot, uh,tomorrow after work.
You know it's, it's remote,it's very so it's hard to do

(24:31):
that.
So chris spent a lot of timefiguring out different things
and all that.
So where we went, we're about,oh, we're a little ways outside
of jasper, we're outside ofjasper park, I guess we'll put
it that way and it's remote, youknow, you think about, we've
got pretty big woods here, but Imean out there, see, we're, I'd
say, over an hour and a half ineither direction, where we

(24:53):
drove the vehicle out to thepark without cell service.
So yeah, but an hour and a halfeither direction, without cell
service.
And then the hike in was around25 kilometers, give or take a
kilometer or two in that wehiked in, and that's no.
There's no logging roads,there's no clear cuts.
You're going through Likethat's wilderness.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So were you?
Did you follow like a creek bedor something?
Or it was through the woods andover.
So here's the cool thing.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
So there is a bit of an old trail.
So there's an old trail thatwas created there, apparently in
the 1930s, give or take.
So trails, there's an old trailthat was created there,
apparently in the 1930s, give ortake.
So we followed that.
The only thing with that ishorse hunters had come through
the other way years ago and uh,and if you guys listen to this
and you guys run horses throughtheir hats, off to you because
like I don't know how you get ahorse through that terrain
unreal, even like with the clearroad, but they'd cut a lot of

(25:41):
the dead not not a lot insections of it of the dead falls
that had gone across.
So that helped because I meanthe trail going in, like I said,
it's like an old trail for likethe 1930s.
But the trail going in in spotswasn't too bad.
In other spots it was prettyhard.
But what made it worse was whenthere'd be all these dead falls
across it and you're trying toclimb over it.

(26:01):
Or the trees are too big,you're trying to climb over it,
or the trees are too big, you'regoing all the way around it, or
you're trying to climb under itand stuff.
I mean that definitely took abit more time and it's hard when
you've got, you know, 40, 50pounds on your back right and
I'm not used to having abackpack in the woods, uh, and
I'm a small guy, I'm about 130,135, soaking wet.

(26:23):
So having that much weight onmy back, I could feel it, you
feel it, you know you cinch upthe belt thing on it and all
that in your hips and yourshoulders and stuff.
I mean it's heavy enough for me,but yeah, so going in on the
trail, that was neat.
Like I said, it's about 25kilometers give or take in, so

(26:43):
it was remote where we got tothe camp location.
So Chris's plan was there'sareas where we'd see more game
and that are sexier areas, butthis time of year the ewes and
the lambs, the sheep they'retogether, and the rams it's not
breeding season yet, so they'reoff doing their own thing.

(27:04):
So he had an idea that you know, in this valley at the top of
the mountain there on the otherside, he said we can glass into.
He said there should be alittle bachelor group of rams
there, right?
So that's what.
That's what his plan was andI'll get to that later.
I think his plan kind of worked, but he spent a lot of time
trying to hone in on figuringout where the sheep, the rams,

(27:27):
could be, cause we we weren'thunting sheep, we're hunting
rams.
Now you can get drawn for a Utag in Alberta.
Do you have a question, ryan?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, so by figuring it out was he looking at like
GPS topographic maps, or was heactually?
Boots on the ground.
Ever in there before the hunt.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
So Chris had been in there before.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, so he's done that hike in he's been.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
He's done that hike in, but he's done the backside
of where we were into.
He's done all around there, butwhere we actually hunted, he
had been in there before too.
So he took his knowledge fromthe past few years of being
behind that spot, in front ofthat spot, in that spot around
it, looking on Eyehunter,looking on all these maps and
everything, to figure out okay,I think the rams are going to be
here.
Okay, yep, and we did find ramsthere.

(28:11):
So I mean you know it worked.
So anyway, so we get into campand I remember, you know, when
you first start, I mean I'm anactive guy, I'm a truck driver,
I trade, but I have a farm, I'vegot my hands that.
I run, I'm in the woods all thetime and everything as much as I
can be.
I'm in decent shape.
I'm not in extraordinary shape,so I was dreading it.
I did better than I thought I'ddo, but obviously it's still

(28:33):
very tough.
So, going in, I've got thatweight on my back and everything
.
You're going in.
At first your body's like whoa,whoa, whoa, crazy.
You know like you're just liketrucking along and everything
and um.
But then it's funny.
You know, near the end of it,you're, you're, you're tired and
stuff like that.
But your body's like all right,we're doing this, you know.
It kind of it takes you back to, uh, not your primal thing, but

(28:55):
just I don't know.
Your body learns to all right,we're gonna do this, you know,
and stuff.
It's good to get back to that,to challenge yourself.
It's funny too, alber, everytime I go to Alberta they always
test when I'm native, becausethe first time I went to Alberta
I was like 19.
I went to work on the drillingrigs.
That tested me, see what I had.
Then the second time, yearslater, went and fracked, you

(29:15):
know, swinging a sledgehammeraround all day, moving pipe and
stuff.
That'll test you and it's.
I've been up there forsomething On the sheep hunt.
So Bird has always been theprovince that tests me.
So, anyways.
So we hiked into camp and Chrissaid.
Chris said at first it was likeyeah, it's 12k in.
I'm like holy shit, likealright, whatever.

(29:35):
Anyways, comes to find out,chris Like oh, whoops, I
undersold that.
It was actually, like I said,like 25, I'm like actually I
said I'm glad you told me 12,because I didn't have any
concept of, I knew it was takinga while and stuff.
But yeah he, he realized thatafter it's like oh, whoops, I
was like, no, no, I'm fine withthat, you know whoops, it's only
twice as much, but I'm glad ifhe said 25 to start up like I

(29:59):
don't know.
So no, it's fine, uh, chrispromised.
Chris said I can't promise youwe're gonna find any's fine.
Chris said I can't promise youwe're going to find any sheep on
this hunt.
He said but I can promise youtwo things.
He said you're going to have anadventure and you're going to
get a hand job.
And he delivered quite well onboth.
I was like Chris, you were aman of your word.
I think you undersold one ofthem.

(30:21):
No, but you know.
So it was good.
Obviously, no, but it was anadventure.
So we get into camp the firstday and I was like man, we're
staying here.
He's like, yeah, I'm like thisis beautiful.
So we set up the tent.
We were just up on this bank inthe creek.
You can tell that in the springa lot of water comes out

(30:42):
through there because, like the,the sides are washed, the banks
are washed right out and thenit goes down to a creek.
But, like I said, we call it ariver here but it's not there,
it's, you know, it's a creek, um, a good flowing one.
So we camped right beside that.
So that was awesome, like waterand everything.
And then we're right in thevalley.
So we were glassing that nightfrom camp on both sides above us

(31:02):
, and then, um, spotting scopesand so, yeah, for optics, I had
the vortex diamond back 10 by 42, um, so those worked, those
worked really well, becauseyou're gonna spend a lot of time
doing that.
Um, so the first night I waslike looking way up on this this
hill, way, way up on the partof the mountain, you can see
like this grassy knoll, and Isee how this thing moved.

(31:22):
And I was like looking, I'mlike holy shit, it's a sheep.
So thing move.
And I was like looking, I'mlike holy shit, it's a sheep.
So I got Chris I'm like sheepup there.
He's like, okay, so Chris has aspotting scope, because that's
a necessity, somebody's got tohave a spotting scope.
The binoculars work well if youwant to see what something
really is.
Though, spotting scope, righthe, because you think about it,
I can't believe how high theyget, because when you think of

(31:44):
mule deer, you're thinkingrolling prairies.
They're bouncing along likejackrabbits out there.
No, there's mountain muleys andthey are way the hell up there.
I could not believe it.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Like in the same kind of country that the sheep would
be living in.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Not quite as high, but not nearly as high as the
sheep, but still way, way, wayup.
I couldn't believe it.
I was like wow, like high, sothat was crazy, but they're out
that high.
I'm like okay, wasn't?
She was like good either?
Good spot in that.
So then, so we had supper.
No, that's were there.
And then Chris, like were yousaying something earlier?

(32:21):
Because he was spotting, he wasscoping in one spot, I was
scoping another right glassing,and I was like no, wise, scoping
in one spot, I was scoping inanother right Glassing.
And I was like no, why?
He's like, oh, I thought Iheard voices.
I was like that's in your head,like we're, you know, 25
kilometers from anything,anything.
And even once you get to theroad that we came in on, like I
said you're an hour, so we'resitting there.

(32:41):
I thought we heard some morevoices Like no, that's weird.
And then all of a sudden, twoguys appear.
We're like holy shit, and we'renaked, because we thought we
were the only ones out there.
No, no, we weren't naked, hewasn't, I wasn't.
No, it's like I'm on vacation,I'll do what I want Sun tan,

(33:05):
tanning.
Yeah, it was sun tanning,except for it wasn't sunny.
Um, no, we were closed.
Uh.
So these guys pop out and we'relike holy shit, and it was, uh,
andrew and paul, they're gonnalisten to this.
Um, so shout out to andrew andpaul.
Anyways, uh, luckily they wereawesome.
They're super awesome because,like you know, sheep hunting can
be.
I mean, there can, um, peopledon't want to share their
secrets, their spots.
People can get like astandoffish, I guess, and all

(33:27):
that Cause it's so hard andthere's only so many spots in
this and that.
No, these guys are great, sothey show up.
We see these guys.
One of them, um, andrew, had abow on his back.
We're like hi, and they had thesame idea as us.

(33:52):
They were leaving on friday itwas uh monday and um they andrew
had been in that area beforeand hunted there and uh been
successful with the guy that hewas with in an area near there,
but they'd camp there and stuff.
So andrew was lucky enough thatin alberta you can get drawn
for a uteg I think it's everyfour years you kind of have the
possibility to get it, orsomething like that.
So he had it, and then it'sfunny though.
So I asked him and Paul, I said, how long have you guys you

(34:12):
know, we're just talking likehow long you guys known each
other?
And then they'd only met liketwo weeks before at the local
archery club.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Really yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, they'd met two weeks before the local archery
club and Paul.
We found out because Paul hadthis accent and he's like I'm
from the UK obviously, becausewe're like okay, I didn't think
you're Canadian.
Because, he had this strongaccent, but it was cool he's
moved here.
I think he said in 2010.
And he was saying you know goodfor him.
Because I said how much huntingdo you do?

(34:40):
He said as much as possible, hetries to put in for all his
tags and do everything right.
Because he said you know, inEngland or whatever, like
everything's so regulated, likethey keep track, you have to
register, not your guns, yourcaliber, you have to.
Like they keep track of howmuch ammo you have at home.
You know, ryan, your family'sfrom Holland, like in Europe,
it's so.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Very, very regulated.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So regulated, right, and he's like in Canada.
He's right and he, he was.
He's like in canada, he's likethis is he just?
He said you have so muchopportunity here, especially in
alberta especially with theamount of game you can hunt here
yeah, and he said he's like hetakes full advantage of it.
Why wouldn't you right?
And he has, like you know,people from alberta and canada
in general that are from here.
I think a lot of us realizethat, but maybe not to the
degree that that paul does,because he knows what it's like,

(35:23):
you know another in another,elsewhere, right so?
like, yeah, he's just sothankful for it.
And they're like, yeah, let's,let's get at it, right.
So then Andrew was going tocome out solo.
And then they met at the cluband they got talking and
Andrew's like, well, yeah, youcan come out sheep hunting with
me.
So Paul's like, right, man,yeah, bloody hell, Ready for it,
right?

(35:43):
He he talked like that a bit,but it was awesome.
Paul was great, though, becausehe just had that like yeah,
let's get after it, energy right, and it was contagious.
You know he's like we're gonnabe having lamb chops on the fire
tomorrow night like that.
Alright, fucking right,sweetheart.
You know like it's just, it'sgood.
You know he wasn't negative oranything, and, and Andrew too

(36:04):
right, they just had goodattitude, good spirits, and it
was awesome.
We get talking to them.
It was interesting.
Paul does uh I think he said hedoes like consulting work here
before, but when they left meand uh, chris looked at each
other like man, that guy'sex-military he's got to be.
And then, you know, get talkingpaul.
And yeah, he's a former sniperin the royal marines, so really
interesting.
And he does competitiveshooting now.
Um, so that that was cooltalking to him and all that he's

(36:27):
telling.
You know his guns andeverything, and I was asking him
too.
I said I said like what wouldbe like your comfortable killing
distance, like shooting biggame here?
Like like you know, somebodyjust shoot 100 yards, what would
be like your 100 yards?
Wouldn't even think twice aboutit?
No big deal.
He's like a thousand like justno big deal like that.
You know that'd be just likeI'll shoot, shooting 100, right,
like that's pretty cool, youknow, um.

(36:49):
And then it was really neatandrew he uh, he's a fish
biologist.
He was interesting to talk to,really smart and stuff, and uh,
I don't know how andrew listenedto this.
I don't know how old he was,I'm gonna guess early 50s or mid
.
He was in really good.
They both were like really goodshape.

(37:09):
So then Chris and I were likedo you do marathons or anything?
He's like no.
He said I hike a lot with mydaughter and do a bicycle.
We're like okay, it's likereally good shape.
Yeah, um, but he and he wasreally smart guy Interesting.
He had this thing on his watch.
I didn't quite understand allof it, but you can put in your

(37:30):
bullet specifications in thereand all that it's going to tell
you for your trajectory andeverything on shooting.
It's all on his watch.
That was really cool.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
It does the calculation for you.
I know Garmin's are prettyadvanced, yeah, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It knows your grains, the shooting distance, what's
going to follow it?
That in in your watch?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
wow, yeah, so they were camping near you, or?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
so yeah.
So we told them we're like well, chris, like well, you know, if
there's room there, you guys gosee, go check it out.
You can't camp right next to us, right?
So they did, they're right nextto us, which was nice because,
you know, that night we had, youknow, supper with them and
stuff and everything.
And uh, you know, the nextnight I had breakfast with them
in the morning.
You know it was really cool.
So the next morning we get upand it's like I said, andrew and

(38:14):
Paul shout out to them Greatguys, really great guys.
We lucked out because I waslike I told Chris, I'm like
hopefully no one else comes outhere, because the odds of having
another set of really good guyslike this probably slim.
He's like, if they're sheephunters, yeah, probably so.
Um, so we got lucky with them,uh.
So the next morning we get upand, uh, yeah, we start hiking

(38:34):
out the mix.
We're already part way up themountain where we were camping,
right.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But then the next, day, so you're not camping right
at the creek bed we were.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
We were camping at the creek bed, but it's still.
The elevation was still up abit because the water's like
flowing down from the glaciers.
Yes, yeah, so we, we were at thebottom of these two mountains
con, but not the very bottom,because the hike in we were
slowly gaining ground, the whole, you know, all the way in.
So we weren't at the bottom,bottom, uh.
But the next morning, yes, wehad to go up.

(39:03):
You know what?
When I say up, I mean like up,like you're like almost on your
hands and knees at some point,crawling, like it's steep, and
I've.
So, if you guys want to seewhat I'm talking about with this
, on my facebook, ken meyer,I've got a video of some of the
highlights from the hunt and allthat.
And even then you got.
You guys saw it.
It doesn't do it just probablydon't do, it just never do deep,

(39:23):
and I mean steep, um, like ifyou're one of those people like
oh, I tripped over my own twofeet, you're going to die.
You would die on this huntCause there's, there's rocks
that are unstable and all thatand everything.
I mean it's not like you're ina park and they've got
guardrails up and it's regulated.
I mean, you just kind of findand go up right.

(39:49):
It's so steep and dangerous.
Yeah, so if you're, so ifyou're, that's how dangerous my
voice cracked.
I was freaked out by it, Anyway.
So yeah, if you're clumsy,don't do sheep.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
So you left from camp .
How far of a hike would it havebeen to get to the top?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Elevation change.
I guess Straight up it's hard,I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Five, six clicks, maybe it's hard to say that you
had, that you had to walk to getto the top of the mountain.
Yeah, roughly, maybe a littleless straight up.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, it's straight, it's straight up like it.
Yeah, it doesn't.
Uh, what policy we're likegoing off like jeez, like it
doesn't traverse very well, likeno, because like some trails
like kind of wind up a little,but how we were going is just up
, um, so it's a bitch getting upthere.
But once you're up it's it's socool out there because you
think about, when you're in, say, the woods, the woods is really

(40:41):
big and you're walking aroundthe woods, um, it's cool.
But when you're up here on topof the mountain, there's trees
up there too and everything inspots.
It's like your own little worldbecause you know that there's
nothing else around you.
Like, when you're up at the topthere, you're at the top,
that's, that's your section.
It's not like big woods wherethere's, you know, other stuff
that can get to you closely,like you're.

(41:01):
You got to get up there right.
So once you're up, it's reallycool and peaceful.
I got a few naps up therebecause I was tired, but it was
unbelievably peaceful up there.
It was incredible.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
And how far, so you could look out everywhere.
How far could you see?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So at first in the morning, the first morning there
, it's a bit smoky.
I think it was the smoke fromthe wildfires in BC.
You couldn't see that far atfirst and then as the smoke
dissipated and stuff quite aways, I don't know how far.
I mean there was a mountainjust on the other side of us and
it looked like it was like 200yards away, but Chris Range find
it and it was like 716 orsomething.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm guessing a huge valley right in the middle of it
.
Huge, oh yeah, huge valley.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I'm guessing a huge valley right in the middle of it
, huge, oh yeah, huge valley.
So that was really neat.
So we ended up getting to thetop and then Andrew kind of had
an idea of where to go.
So he took him and Paul,because they're hunting for ewes
, right, yeah, so Chris and Iwent up to the top of this one
we were glassing so we could seethem.
They ended up going.
Yeah, they were off.
They went on quite a stroll andwere successful.

(42:06):
They did get a U.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
On that first day.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yep, they did Like I said.
He got into the area and allthat, and they ended up seeing I
think they saw maybe 12 andthey waited.
They even said this they waiteduntil they found one that did
not have a young one with it,and that's the one that they
took.
So that was really good.
It's weird how the mountainsplay tricks.
And that's the one that theytook, yep, so that was, that was
really good.
Um, it was uh.
It's weird how the mountainsplay tricks on you with sound.

(42:33):
Because we're up there, weheard the gunshot right and it
was like I don't know.
A few hours later we thought wecould hear voices.
I'm like, oh, I said that's theboys coming.
I said, well, you know, let'sgo see what they got.
So we're still up at the top ofthe mountain.
We just walked up through thetrees a little bit that are up
there, because there's like aminiature woods, if you want to
call it up there to see them,like nothing.

(42:53):
We're like that's weird.
So we went back and then it wasabout half an hour later.
Chris didn't hear the voicesthe first time and then he heard
them them again for like anhour and stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
So yeah, so they.
They had that sheep like shot,retrieved, packed up and they
were carrying it back with themyeah, so they get back at dark.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So we made a nice fire for them.
When they came down, theyappreciated that like, oh,
thanks for the fire, michael.
I figured you guys would needit.
You retired, so they get back.
Yeah, it's a bit after darkthat night.
We got down, I guess just alittle bit before, because I
didn't want to go down there inthe dark.
I mean, we had headlamps withus.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
But still, you guys have like a handheld gps system
in case um, so chris had Ihunter downloaded on his phone.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Okay, once you have it downloaded, you don't need
service to use that.
So that's the other thing Chriswas saying.
Like you know a lot of people,we're about four days without
any service whatsoever andactually it was awesome.
You know, I love my friends andfamily and everything, but it
was nice to be unplugged, likeit didn't matter what was
happening.
No one's getting a hold me, andsometimes you get thinking like

(44:08):
, oh, I hope everything's okayat home.
I got, you know, the farm athome, the cows and everything,
like everything's okay there andthe wife and stuff.
But then, um, at the same timeit's it's kind of nice like,
well, whatever, I can't doanything about it, and there's,
it's just nice to be unpluggedbecause us as humans, I don't
think we're supposed to havetechnology like that on us all
the time, the electrodes andeverything or whatever you want
to call it going.
So it was cool but, like Chriswas saying, a lot of people

(44:31):
can't do that, couldn't even dothat.
They couldn't go a few hours,let alone a few days, without
any service.
I had my phone to take pictures, that's it.
You would never get a hope inhell of getting service out
there.
And he said a lot of peoplejust couldn't do that, not at
all.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Give me a test for us at Moose Camp this year,
because we'll have a Starlink atcamp.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh, you're roughing it big time.
We only have Starlink.
No, we're from the morning whenwe leave 80 channels on the
cable.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
From when we leave in the morning.
We're going to go all day withour cell phone service.
You'll get it that night.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
When we come back, the star link.
Um, yeah, no, it's nice,actually it's quite nice.
Uh, I enjoyed just beingunplugged, you know, and it's
good for your body, it helps, Ithink, reset you really.
Um, so, yeah, that was good.
Uh, where was it going withthis?
we were talking about I hunteryeah, I hunter, yeah, so we had
that pre-download on his phone,so that's, you know that was.
That was really handy, um.
So yeah, they came back to camp, congratulated them, you know,
did awesome.
We had a nice fire that night.

(45:31):
There's lots of like woodwashed up on old dry wood washed
up on the creek bed there thatwe could put in for the fire and
everything, uh, because it wasso old and stuff.
You wouldn't believe how fastthe fire just like oh yeah yeah,
but then chris had brought um,uh, like a camping whiskey.

(45:52):
Uh, jar not jar, yeah, a gallonof whiskey.
No, it was.
It was a like a flask.
It was a camping flask made outof plastic and everything you
know to bring along.
So, uh, you know, gave, we allhad a shot of that congratulated
the boys, he's like.
He said when they're comingback, he said I'll give him a
shot of whiskey when they getback.
The boys, he's like, he saidwhen they're coming back, he
said I'll give them a shot ofwhiskey when they get back.
He said if they got a shadepiece, like, or if they didn't
get one, just for the sorrows,we're like, or if it's dark,

(46:14):
we'll have it too.
So yeah, that was really nice.
So that was cool.
And then Andrew and Paul headedthe next day, uh, which I
didn't blame them, because theywanted to get the meat out and
stuff like that so no, that'sgood, it's awesome meeting them
and I'm sure um hear from themagain.
But, yeah, that's cool.
So then, um, so, yeah, so thefirst full day, that day that

(46:35):
chris and I are out there.
So we're glassing and glassingand I didn't.
I didn't know what to look for.
I've never seen a bighorn sheepin my life.
Right, I've seen pictures ofthem, some videos, but I didn't
know what to look for.
And then we're looking.
We're looking on the mountainjust across from us and we're
pretty much eye level with thatone because we're up so high up
there.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Do you know how high elevation you're?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I didn't know damn high quite high yeah yeah, yeah,
like I said, we beat the sun bya long shot getting up there,
because the sun just takes solong to rise above it over the
mountains, like yeah, oh yeah,and then like I said it goes
down quick too.
So we're looking, we're lookingand then it's amazing, the sheep
where they live, like it'scrazy.

(47:15):
So.
So Chris had an idea, like Isaid, this area on the other
side of the mountain.
It had not too many trees andstuff or anything like that.
Actually, not too many treesand stuff or anything like that.
Excellent, a lot of trees andall that.
But, like you said, it wasn'tlike a sexy area where, if
you're sheep hunting, like, oh,this is where I'm going to go.
But he had the idea about theramps.

(47:36):
So we're looking and looking and, like I said, I don't know what
to look for.
So I'm just like pretending toglass around.
Oh, yeah, it's quite a sighttoday, no, but no, but uh, look
at that mountain.
Yeah, we're looking.
Then chris is like chris, likesheep, I'm like what?
He's like sheep.
So I look and I can't quite seeit.
And then he got the spottingscope right on it.
He said, see, right there, I'mlike.
No, I said because chris waslooking with binoculars first,

(47:56):
right, and he's like, and we'vebeen glassing for I don't know a
couple hours and he's like thatrock's gonna make me look at it
again a little closer.
So then you got the spottingscope out, right, put it up.
Bam Could tell right away it'sa sheep, but it's a sheep.
So what gives them away?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
is their spot, so you're sitting in the same spot
when you're glassing.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, we moved around a bit, but Chris was saying
what they say is, if you'rereally going to pick a part of
the spot and tear it up, rip Twohours, because they say in two
hours, in that time normally theanimal will get up to take a
piss or something, or thelight's going to change within
that shadows and all that Withinthat time, something's.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So it's the butt that you'll see, because they're so
camouflaged into the environment.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah.
So there's a little, Like Isaid, even though we're up so
high, there are some maturetrees.
I mean, these trees areprobably I don't know how old,
just to get to the size thatthey are, because it's kind of
harsh growing conditions.
So then it looks like rocks.
But Chris got the spotting scoopon it and I looked and it was a
sheep.
It was a butt because they'rewhite, because their bodies are
like brownish right, and thentheir butts are white.

(49:02):
They almost look like a muledeer, but sort of um.
So I'm like holy shit.
So then I get my binoculars upand then, where I knew after I
knew where it was, I could pickit out.
So we're like watching that andthe thing the back of it was
built like a dump truck, I meanbig, wide, but so we're like
that's gonna be ram.
If not, that is the fattest youhave ever seen.
But for you to be by yourselflike that, yeah, super rare so

(49:25):
the use are generally in groupslike that yeah Super rare, so
the ewes are generally in groups, like that's why the other guys
had seen 12.
Yeah, yeah, the ewes?
I don't think they're.
I don't know a ton about thesheep, but I don't think they
run alone they're, it's likedomestic ones.
They're flock animal, right,they're group animal, except for
the males.
They will go and they don't.
They're not unless they're realyoung, little, you know banana

(49:46):
horned males.
They're by themselves for themost part.
So Chris's hunch kind of lookedlike he was paying off, right.
So then we're like all right,we're going to move.
So we could get more acrossfrom him, because we saw him on
the side like where we weresitting on one mountain looking
at the other.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
he's just off on the side, so then, so you would be
like that.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
7-800 yards away from him.
At first glance, no, at firstglance we'd be well over 1,000.
Okay, well, well over 1,000.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And at that distance there were you able to tell
enough how much of a horn he had.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So that's the thing.
We couldn't see his horn.
We could see everything up.
We could see his neck, theyalmost his whole neck.
They almost his whole neck.
We could see everything but hishead because he was standing
still, no, because he was layingdown.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So I said to Chris.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I said I think he's laying down because I can see
his leg tucked up underneath himlike laying, like a cow, right.
So we're like we're gonna movebecause the rest of it his head
was in like a group of treesthere.
So, anyway, so we could see him.
So yeah, we'd be.
Jeez, I bet you we wereprobably 2000, 000, damn near 2
000 yards away from how we'relooking at him like sideways,

(50:52):
right.
So then we're like we're gonnaget up and move so we can be
directly across from him.
So we're making our way down,not down, the mountain across.
So we're up on top of it, right.
So we're just going across likeacross the top across the top.
Yeah, we're not going down justjust across.
So he's like all right, sowe're all excited.
So I have my binoculars on andthen luckily I saw this before

(51:12):
we moved I have my binoculars onhim and I see him stand up and
then go into the trees.
I'm like he went into the treesLike all right, well, we'll
find him to keep looking,because it's not a big group of
trees.
Surely we'll see him if hemoves out, right.

(51:33):
Anyways, nothing for a while.
We're like, well, he's probablybedded down for a bit.
He's kind of getting hot.
This is probably 3, 30, 4o'clock ish in the afternoon.
Um, so we're looking, we'relooking nothing.
So then we and then we couldn'tquite tell where exactly was,
because we used this group offour trees to use as a bearing.
Because when remember, whenchris first showed me where he
was, he said, see those fourtrees up there.

(51:54):
I'm like, yeah, he said go downa little bit from there there's
another tiny group of bushes,whatever.
Then down again, that's wherethe ram is.
We're like, okay, so we'reusing that as a bearing.
Looking again, right, and thennothing.
So then I ended up going backto try to see if we were looking
at the same patch of treesbecause it kind of blended
together way up there, right.
So I was, and then, anyways,the glass thing.

(52:17):
And then Chris bam saw anotherone.
He's like there's one and Idon't know how long he'd been
laying there, but it's layingjust in the side of the mountain
and it blended in perfectly andif you watch to the mountain
yeah, to the mountain.
If you watch the video, there'sa picture of it in there.
He's just, he's laying therewe're like how many times do you
glass over him?
Didn't see him, but we you'rethinking is it the same one?

(52:38):
No, so this ram here, we couldsee his whole body, right and um
, his horns didn't go very far,he.
He was probably three, fouryears away from being legal.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
So explain to us what a legal ram is.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Right, so in Alberta, I think for sheep in general,
whether it's doll sheep, stonesheep or bighorn sheep somebody
correct me if I'm wrong the curlhas to go only on one side to
at the just past I think it'sthe tear duct in the eye and
that's where the horn needs togo to.

(53:13):
So for a ram to have the horngrow, to there the curl, so the
curl's got to go up.
Like I said, you want it aboutthe middle of the eye, that's
what you want.
About eight years Is what ittakes for that to happen Roughly
.
Yeah, so that's what they say,that the sheep hunting so
difficult is that the year youstart hunting is the year your
ram's born, because it can takethat long to finally get one

(53:36):
yeah, a legal ram that's, but alegal ram is a trophy ram.
Same thing, right, you know soanyway.
So we saw that one couldn't seethe other.
We knew it wasn't the same rambecause this one was, you know,
he's all right size, but theback of him wasn.
Saw that one couldn't see theother one.
We knew it wasn't the same rambecause this one was, you know,
he's the right size, but theback of him wasn't that big, he
wasn't quite as dark.
And the other one was darkerand, just like I said, built
like a truck, just a big oldbooty on him.

(53:56):
You know what I'm saying.
So, anyways, and then it'sstarting to get dark and all
that, and we thought we heardthe guys didn't or did.
I don't know where they were,just the mountains this was day.
This was day one, day one, yeah,so then, you know, we went down
, except for that night, whiskeyand, you know, bonfire and all
that.
And it's the next day, you know, said goodbye to the boys and
uh, and then headed, headed upthe mountain again and then

(54:18):
chris said to it you know, it'sneat, he said you, to put it in
perspective, he said you, just,you said you, you climbed a
mountain.
He said today he's like we gotto say you climbed a mountain.
Not, it's not a like, not agradual hill or something it was
, a mountain, it was a mountain.
He said like a lot, you know,it's neat putting that in
perspective.
He said a lot of people can'tdo that.
He said you would be surprised,or you wouldn't be.

(54:38):
How many people would gethalfway and be like, no, I, I
can't, I just can't.
He said it happens a lot like.
Outfitters will have clients,though, and they're like I can't
do it, I just cannot get upthere.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Whether it be just physically ability or just
mentally, after they look downand realize how high up.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
they are Well just physical ability, because we're
still taking your packs up there, right, and it wasn't as heavy
as it was because we had thetent out and the sleeping bags
and we didn't have all of ourfood and all that.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
But you still got some weight on you a day going
out.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
So you're bringing your rain gear.
Chris has got the gun spottingscope binoculars, food for that
day.
I'm bringing my jet boil up.
Have a coffee later and stuff,or if we have to end up eating
up there.
Just layers of clothes and allthat in case you end up getting
stuck up there if the weatherchanges and it gets super foggy
or something, but you can't getdown Just everything.

(55:26):
But, like I said, the tentstayed, the sleeping bag stayed,
sleeping bag pad.
Oh, you're bringing your waterup and all that.
How much water would you bringup for a day?
So about two liters.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
And the problem was we would have camped up there,
but there's no water up there.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
So then you'd have to go down for water all the time.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
So, yeah, it would have been great to just camp up
there, and we did see a fewsites up there that you could
have, but you got to go all theway down for water.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
How long did it take you in the morning to climb up?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
We got faster.
So the first morning I think wewere like two hours, and then
the second morning and then thesecond time coming down, I
thought we were like maybe anhour and a half.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Going down or so Coming back up.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Okay, the second day and stuff yeah, and you know,
because your body, like I said,you just get used to it and then
I do a lot of mind over matter,but you got to give yourself
goals because it's tough, right,it's right, it's really tough,
it's considered one of thetoughest well, I mean a two hour
straight up climb.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
That that's.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's a long, that's a long time yeah so, but you
give yourself goals like yourfirst day coming in.
I was just thinking in my headI just want to get to camp, just
want to get to camp it's only12k oh yeah, it's only 12k.
Oh, he's like I'm sorry, I'mlike, no, I'm glad you told me
that because if you started offwith the 25 or whatever you know
, I I was like I would have been.
Oh, I'm glad he said that youthink I would have realized, but

(56:47):
I don't.
I don't keep track because Idon't keep track of my steps or
anything like that when I'mrunning around the burn or
hounds and everything.
So I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Would have been interesting to have one of those
.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Oh, Chris had one steps, I think like 15,000,
16,000.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I actually would have guessed more.
But you've got to think thoughthat's 15,000, but some of those
are going straight up themountain yeah, we're not on
asphalt walking straight.
Did it count him like thinkinghe was going up a staircase or
anything like that?
I don't know Because.
I know someone will be like youclimbed 1,000 flights of stairs
today.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But I think heading out.
I forget how much we were overthat, but I think our average
day I can't remember exactly,but I think it was around that
15,000 or so- which is a lot,considering you're spending a
lot of time glassing and stufflike that.
I can't remember exactly but,like I said, we're not on
asphalt.
You'll see in the videos.
If people watch it, it's steep,you can tell in the video a bit

(57:44):
, but it's.
you'll see in the videos ifpeople watch it it's, it's steep
.
Yeah, you can't.
You can tell the video a bitbut it's still hard to tell Um
so where was I on that Day?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
two, you're going back up the mountain.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yes, you're going back up.
Um, so we had a plan, we'regoing to look for that ram and
everything Right.
So we get set up there lookingfor the ram I had is so peaceful
.
And then, uh, I decided I waslike I'm gonna go for a bit of a
walk, chris.
Like all right, chris, stillglass, he's just ripping it up.
Looking.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
He said there's, you know there's a method to
glassing and everything andthat's how he's doing.
Just did he talk about I?
I watched a video the other dayon glassing and it was saying
to go left to right, not rightto left.
Did he say anything about that?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
he might have.
Sorry, chris.
Um, I was trying to take in asmuch as I could, but I was
really tired and exhausted.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, because I guess if you go, left or right is the
way you shouldn't go, becausethat's the way you would read a
piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And then you'll catch yourself moving too fast.
But if you go right to left,it's the opposite of he was
tearing up.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Chris was good at being patient about looking it
all over and everything too.
Oh yeah, I was talking tooabout goals.
Right, it's like getting thefirst day of the goal and then
going up the mountain.
My goal was I want to see sheep, I want to see sheep, I just
want to see sheep, I want to getthe hell up that mountain.
So I'm just like hammering down, just going up the mountain and
at the same time, the day thatwe're leaving and and everything
right, like I just want to getback to the vehicle, I just want

(59:02):
to get back there, I want toget back there.
So you just mind over matter,you don't have to think about
your body.
It's like hey, hey, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa.
No, but your body does, it doesget used to it, it really does.
I mean, it's still hard andtiring, but it gets used to it.

(59:25):
And, yeah, I'm so glad I didn'ttake my pack with me.
I took my bear spray because,although we didn't see any
grizzlies, we saw signs of them.
There's 100% grizzlies in thearea.
There's a lot of elk around ustoo.
I've found lots of sign of elkand all that around us.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
And the grizzlies will be up on that high
elevation too.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
They wouldn't be that high, but like where we were
camping in the creek, oh,there's grizzly tracks up and
down the creek.
So, yeah, so you carry yourbear spray and your bear spray.
So Chris was shooting a 6.5Creedmoor, or some people say a
6.5 Needmoor.
No, but you're no.
The guns are very adequate forthe job but, honestly, paul had

(01:00:03):
a 300, a 300, I thought he saida 300 Norma or something like
that, but he was saying thisit's true, your bear spray is
probably a better defense,because a charging grizzly, if
they're so big and heavy dutybear spray is probably going to
outperform your bullet.
That's what I've been told.
So yeah, so I had my bear sprayon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Not something you want to learn, though, no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
So although I didn't see one, saw lots of sign of
them and a lot of grouse, Notquite that high up, but on the
way up and everything.
I got a lot of grouse out there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Multiple grouse out there, same as here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
So they have rough grouse, they have spruce gross,
they have blue gross, and inareas of alberta they have
ptarmigan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So if you're looking to uh check off your, yeah,
upland bird, slam, gross, slam,yeah, you could damn near get
all your bird stamps yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So it's cool seeing a lot, a lot of gross, a lot of
gross uh squirrels way at thetop.
I'm like holy shit, like way upthere just chattering away and
I saw some I think they'relemmings A little rodent up
there, lemmings and stuff and itwas too rocky where we were at,
but they have marmots way upthere too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So I ended up going for a walk and I was glad All I
had on was my bino harness andmy bear spray, because you don't
go anywhere without that.
Up there Didn't see any, butsaw a lot of signs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
How'd you like your bino harness?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
My Vortex bino harness.
I was wondering, because you'venever used one before.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
No, they are a little weird to get used to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
They're a necessity for what you're doing, though, I
find any hunting.
This keeps them clean and dry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Chris had a nice Sitka.
Most of Chris' gear Sitka be anice Sitka, Harness.
Andrew Paul had a Sitka one, Ithink, and Andrew had like a
Badlands one, I think that's thebrand.
Badlands.
Then I had my Vortex one.
Yeah, you need it, you got tohave it right.
So it got a lot of use, workedgreat.
But yeah, where I was going likethere's some stuff in the video

(01:01:58):
like some rock slides, like Iaccidentally hit a rock trying
to get, you know, climbing upthe mountain just a bit higher
up, because I went further downand then when you go further
down you can go up even more.
So I was in that I was goingacross of it, across it to look
on the side, you know going touh, try to check out this other
valley, and like my footaccidentally hit a rock and just

(01:02:19):
like you see it go down and youcan hear it going down.
It's going down for a long ways.
So you're like man, but it gets.
I got a little in my head a bitmore coming back through
because I'd gotten, not lost,but just a little bit turned,
not turned around.
I couldn't remember exactlywhere I'd come over.
So when I was heading back Icouldn't remember how high up

(01:02:42):
and down I was on the mountainbecause I was going on the side
and like, how high up and downit was on the mountain because I
was going on the side and likeit it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
The rocks are so, and that's why we're so steep, so
like how far of a walk, like indistance, you would have went
like a couple hundred yards fromwhere chris was at probably a
bit further, maybe a kilometeror so okay, and then you were
just glossing a different areayeah, but just going across, I
was going to the side of itthere and it was like it was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So I couldn't have done that section with a pack on
guaranteed.
I wouldn't like.
I was like holding stuff withmy hands like the rocks and all
that cutting your hands up a biton the rocks and everything
doing like it was.
It was pretty wild, uh.
So I ended up finding uh waydown I couldn't quite get a
picture so far off, but a coupleused down there, so that was
neat okay used together.
Yeah, yeah, that was pretty neat.
Um, and then, coming backthrough, I saw this old tin up

(01:03:25):
there, like an old sardine tin,yeah, and I was like, oh, that's
pretty neat.
And it had like the key.
It was all rusted and stuffobviously, but had a key turn
thing on it, not like the youknow, beer can tab, like the new
ones and I was like that'spretty cool.
So I took a picture of it andthen when I was coming back
through I saw it again.
I was like, oh, you know whatI'm gonna take it, it's gonna be
my souvenir for the trip, right, and it was really cool.

(01:03:46):
So when we got back, chris hasI'm not a big tech guy, even
though I have a podcast um,chris has chat gdp, the kind
that you pay for.
Is it gdp or gpt or chat gpt?
Yeah, pt, that's pte, abc, um,so he, this was really cool.
So we took a picture of it,right.
So the chat thing goes allthrough it and it said that in

(01:04:11):
its analysis of like the way thekey is, the way it's built, all
that I could get all this inthe picture.
Like freaking ai stuff blows mymind.
Um, it dated it the 1930s to the1940s at earliest, but it said
possibly from the late 1920s.
And it said that judging fromwhat it could tell on it even

(01:04:34):
though there's no paper on it,obviously, or stamps that you
could make out it estimates thatit was from Blacks Harbor, new
Brunswick, called BrunswickSardines.
I think it was from there.
So that was really cool BecauseChris and I are looking at it.
It's so well built we couldtell it was old.
We could tell it was really old.
The fact that it was for sureat the very latest pre-World War

(01:04:57):
II.
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, that's insane.
I'm glad I took that.
What are the chances?
That was cool.
Yeah, that's insane.
I'm glad I took that.
What are the chances?
Artifact A New Brunswick boy upon top of a mountain in Alberta
Finding New Brunswick.
Potentially New Brunswick madetin from 100 years ago, 80 to
100 years old.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Here's the other thing.
Speaking of that I was tellingChris, Chris and I were cuddled
in the tent one night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
You guys were sharing a sleeping bag.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, so you gotta make small talk because if not
it's weird.
No, but we were sharing asleeping bag.
No, we were at the fire onenight and I was like you know, I
said it's pretty crazy.
I said, because Chris is fromNew Brunswick as well, busted,
busted, um.
I said here we are.
I said a couple beers tonight,there was um.

(01:05:49):
Anyways.
I said here we are out here.
I said on a bighorn sheep huntin alberta, in the rocky
mountains, a couple eastcoasters, right, like it's
pretty neat.
I mean like he's an albertaresident now but we're both from
new brunswick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
It's kind of cool, right, you know it is, it's,
it's, it's pretty remember youwhen you first thought about
going and you're like I don'tknow, I'm like you can't pass up
that opportunity no, no, sojust kind of putting that in
perspective too, sort of neat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
You know a couple of new brunswick boys out there, um
, yeah, so that was uh.
So we, other than that we didnot, we were not able to get
eyes on the Rams that day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
On day two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
No, no, looked and looked so and then on day three
we were scouting down at thebottom and all that and
everything, but we had to headout later.
So we were, how long were we?
It was a whole day, you knowgetting in, getting set up,
basically and all that.
We left really, we left beforesun up in the morning and then

(01:06:50):
two full days out there and thenwe got back a little after
supper that night.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
So about four days, you know four.
Two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
You did two full, like you were pretty much a day
in three nights to full full dayWell the first day that we left
before sun up, we're at there,so three full days, but like two
full days of really hunting andthen a little bit on the third
day, yeah, yeah, and then, um,then, yes, we glassed it there,
but I mean, even though, uh, wedidn't harvest anything, I mean

(01:07:17):
the your success rate is so lowon that with as a resident, um,
with an outfitter it's a littlebit higher because you know they
, a lot of them, will pay.
That's what they do and they'llpay people to find the rams in
the summer and stay with them,like you stay with this ram,
because you've got clients inthat are paying 150 000 yeah 100
, 150, 000 or what you knowminimum.

(01:07:39):
The cheapest I've seen a sheephunt in alberta with no fitter
and if you're non-resident,unless you're tagging along like
I was, you have to go with anoutfitter is $100,000 US.
That's the cheapest, and that'snot guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Wow, so you're close to $140,000 Canadian.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But your odds go up because these outfitters will
pay people to find sheep in thesummer and just kind of camp out
with them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
So that one ram that you guys seen but we're not able
to quite see the horns like,what are the odds that that
maybe possibly could?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
have been a legal ram .
Very good.
So chris's plan.
Chris said to say he's notcoming back on the podcast until
I say sorry for what happenedout there until um, until he
gets a ram so he gets so he'sgoing back out in October Into
that same spot, into that samespot and when the snow because
there very well could be snowout there then the sheep will be

(01:08:33):
easier to pick out, yep, and wecan see a lot of sheep trails
and all that, but they justweren't being used then, because
the sheep they will startchanging their ranges a bit and
stuff like that.
I think it's going to be alittle better that time of year,
yep.
So we'll see.
So we could be hearing from themagain Because that sheep there

(01:08:57):
compared to that other smallerram that you had seen, it was
way bigger, it was way wider Imean, yeah, yeah, he was big the
rear end of him and all thatthat we could see from the neck
down he was.
He was big, the rear end of himand all that that we could see,
from the neck down he was thick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
What time of the day did you see that?
Uh, it's like 3, 34 o'clock ishso there was no way to there
was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Unless you actually could see that it was a legal
ram, there was no point intrying to get closer to him we,
we'd have to go all the way backdown that one and then try to
go all the way back up the otherside, so it would would have
been nighttime before you gotthere, no, but from there the
shot would have been, like Isaid, like 650, 700 and some.
So I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Is that something, chris?
Chris?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
was comfortable shooting.
I think he said he could dolike five or so.
So it would have been, we wouldhave hummed and hawed or we
would have had a really solidgame plan for the morning.
Yes, we look to see where hebedded up, you know.
So, um, yeah, uh, but Chris, Ithink Chris is going to get his
Ram here soon because I mean,he's, he's putting in the work
and he's definitely learning asyou go and stuff.

(01:09:54):
Like I said, it's not like.
It's not like a deer whereyou're hunting a deer.
You're like, oh, set up andthis, and that You're not
setting up cams out there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
And food plots planted yeah and food plots
planted.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
You're not doing that out there, right You're?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
not.
You're going in there for twodays, you're hunting, and then
everything after that is whatyou're reading and researching.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, even if you're out there for a week, you're
still just.
You know, even though he's beenout there before, he's still
get a boone and crocket whitetail.
But that's the heart.
You know how hard it is to getright.

(01:10:31):
So, um, yeah, so we got outthere.
And then chris.
Chris lives in lake louise.
Uh, if anyone's been there,it's inside bamf national park.
Chris is a park warden keepingeverything on the up and up out
there.
It's good protecting wildlifeand upholding the.
I didn't know they had as muchauthority as they did.
But if you're in the Park ofBanff, which is massive in
Canada's gem, he upholds thelaws of Canada in there.
So you know, truck drivers, heplays DOT, plays police officer,

(01:10:54):
all that Doesn't play it, hedoes it.
You know, wow.
So because he said he's Ididn't know that either because
he said that he's handed outspeeding tickets and this and
that to people and someone.
People like well, that's a.
You know, that's a policeticket.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Like you don't have that authority, it's like well,
I do, I'd pay the ticket.
Are you gonna find him?
Um, I gotta he probably.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
I have a radar gun in my vehicle yeah, he said people
think he just plays with thebears or the elk and all that
you know, but he, they upholdthe laws of canada in the park
and the park is massive.
Banff national park is huge.
Um, so then Chris said it'skind of like tradition.
He said after we're done, hesaid we're going to go into
Banff.
He said I'll buy you whateveryou want to eat, wherever you
want to eat.
So we went there and we're likelooking around and then, um,

(01:11:37):
there's so many choices, burgers, shout out to Eddie, the man
himself.
I don't know if Eddie was thereor not, unless Eddie's a girl.
Um, so we went there.
It was amazing.
Food, just just amazing.
Uh, banff is something like outof a fairy tale and a storybook
, cause it's.
It's incredible when you're inthe town of Banff, everything is

(01:12:00):
so nice and it's just, it'sjust unbelievable.
There's so many people, holyshit, there's like everywhere.
And I was just unbelievable.
There's so many people, holyshit, there's like they're
everywhere.
And I was like, is it alwayslike this?
Chris is like uh, no, it'susually busier, is that right?
He said so.
Banff gets every year about 4million visitors a year.
There's just people everywhere,but they do a good job of

(01:12:23):
running everything.
You know like they're set up tohave a lot of people.
It's a little packed right inthe town.
Um, I wouldn't want to try toget a big RV through there and
people were trying to and it waslike, yeah, it's tight in there
, but, um, it's so nice, man,it's nice to even have uh, for
you Canadians listening to this,you might know cow's ice cream
from Prince Edward Island.
They, it's nice, they even havefor you Canadians listening to

(01:12:43):
this, you might know Cow's IceCream from Prince Edward Island.
It's the same.
They have the same franchise inBanff.
So the ice cream that they makein Prince Edward Island is
trucked out to Banff and theysend it there.
And we were there.
I remember it was like aftersupper there's a lineup out the
door To get it, to get it.
Wow, yeah, like it was crazy.

(01:13:04):
And then we went out, chris,like let's go.
So we went to the banff springsgolf course, which is world
renowned and famous golf course,and he said we should be able
to see some elk out here becausethey're rutting and these are
wild elk, and so, anyways, theelk were.
So I was like, oh, I said I seea cow elk.
So he's like I can't pull overhere, I'll just pull over up
here.
So he pulled over.
I'm like holy shit, I see abull and it was like a great big
, like six by seven or seven byseven, I can't remember.
Now you guys saw the video, sothen I get out there and it's

(01:13:26):
just yeah, the video you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
You posted a video on your tiktok yeah, my tiktok
with the weird music in thebackground I don't use tiktok
ever, but if anyone wants to gosee it and see how massive this
is, I put it on facebook?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
no, I put it.
I put it on my ken meyerfacebook.
I know I'd never use TikTok atall.
I have it for the podcast andthen what was it?
This bull's like bugling, andthen at the end, here, if you
need help, If no one's asked youlately, are you okay?
But it's actually a song, do we?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
have to check up on you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I don't know how to get rid of that, because I don't
know how to use this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
It was a suggested song for that, such a cool video
of a massive elk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
So if anyone's on Hunt's Unoutfitting Podcast
TikTok and hears that I don'tneed help.
No one on the podcast, it'sokay, but it's also my Facebook,
so I see him out there in thisbowl.
It's just.
I mean, I've seen elk beforewild elk in Alberta.
I just I mean I've seen elkbefore wild elk in Alberta.
I've not been that close tothem because normally they're
really skittish, I find.

(01:14:29):
But he's out there and then he'sbugling and I got him like
perfect, full bugle.
And then the fucker takes hishead down and just starts
tearing up their golf and it wasneat, though.
So he puts his head down, he'slike tearing up their nice sod
right, and then he's liketearing up their nice sod right
and uh, and then he's liketearing up with his antlers and
pawing at it and he's pissing init and all that.
And then he just lays down andthe cow elk that we'd seen

(01:14:52):
running earlier she comes out tohim just before he laid down.
He's smelling, he's like, he'slike yeah, I know she's coming,
she wants this because he'd beenscreaming away.
And she comes out.
She's like like panting, she'sout of breath, she ran out, and
then he stands up and then he'slike following her around and
stuff, but it was justunbelievable uh, what other game
did you see while you were onthe hunt?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
like you mentioned, you've seen the mule deer right
away, the first day saw muledeer, uh, saw a lot of grouse.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Saw a lot of squirrels.
Unfortunately, uh, they're justannoying uh, the lemming, the
sheep, the elk.
Saw a lot of grizzly tracks andeverything.
Oh and then, oh yeah, so Iforgot this.
This is in the video Comingback through, we're still.
I don't know how far we werefrom the vehicle, 10 kilometers
or so.
We're like going along like, ohshit, found this deadhead of a
nice.

(01:15:38):
Part of it was chewed off, butwide 10 point buck, and you guys
saw a picture and that was awhite tail.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
White tail, yeah, that was?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
that was a white tail yep 100 beautiful deer yeah,
wide, holy shit, he was wide.
And then chris like oh wow, goodfinally, and we we'd walk past
that on the way in because we wetried to take the same path,
right, uh, and I kind ofremember that area, but I don't
remember seeing that and it'dbeen there for a while.
And then, uh, I don't know howthat one died he, he could have
died of old age.
So I'm like, oh, that's cool,so I left it there.

(01:16:05):
Chris is going to go back andget them.
You can get a permit.
Salvage permit In Alberta.
You can't in New Brunswick,which is stupid.
But in Alberta you can get asalvage permit and get them.
So he's going to mail them back.
So we left it there because wecouldn't.
Elks were coming out unless wehad a sheep.
We were pretty tired and he'scoming back from them.

(01:16:26):
We're going out and there'slike I don't know.
A few K later I'm like whoa,whoa, whoa and I go over and I
find this pretty nice bull elkskull and you could tell Chris
that's a predator kill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
So that was probably killed by wolves.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
No, oh yeah, so that was snoring.
I guess you could hear thewolves and you can tell it was
not coyotes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
How far off in the.
I mean because you saideverything would echo really
weird there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, it's so hard to tell.
Like probably miles and miles,but still quite something to
hear yeah, so deep Like you cantell that's not a coyote
Especially when you're in a tentin the middle of nowhere's with
a little campfire, yeah Iwasn't, I wasn't worried at all.
Is is really neat to hear, butI mean deep, they're just like
heard.
It's like an eerie kind ofsound they're deep, you can tell

(01:17:14):
it's a big dog doing it yeah,but that that elk was definitely
a predator yeah, so we're.
But we're figuring cat becausewe saw some shit coming in and
it was not bear for sure, maybewolf, I don't think so.
I think it was.
It looked like cat, big cat.
No, there's a lot of mountainlions there.
And then the area we were, youknow, we were outside of jasper,

(01:17:35):
which has a lot of mountainlions too.
Uh, so in between those twoplaces, I mean there's, you know
, there's cats.
There's definitely mountainlions out there.
Um, when we were in banff, uh,I didn't see a mountain lion,
but I saw a couple cougars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
The elk kill.
That was an old deadhead theretoo.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Not as old.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Not as old.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
No, not nearly as old .
There's still some tufts ofhair on the head itself.
It was older, but not like thewhite tail.
That was really cool and yeah,like I said, I had a great meal
and all that, and the next dayit was a hell of an adventure.
Yeah, just unbelievable.
Chris did such a good job.
It lived up to my expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
It was a hunt of a lifetime.
It was yeah, A hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Yeah.
And like I said, Chris, ifyou're listening, he's going to
get his RAM one of these days.
He's going to get it soon, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Well, he's back in October.
Hopefully he has luck then.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Might be on the podcast after talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
He doesn't have someone dragging him down.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Okay, that hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
So that's the hunt for us.
Actually, is he going to begoing on his own when he goes in
October?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Let me go with you.
Especially when you're that farout, it's not a good idea to go
solo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
And if you do get something you probably want to
hand 100% need help Packing out.
Yeah, oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I mean we were talking that a legal ram head
alone probably 40 pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Wow, 30, 40 pounds.
What would be the weight of thebody then that you would have
to?

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
So we talked about that.
So like a really large whitetail, oh yeah.
Really large white tail yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
So that's a pack Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
And you already have a 50 pound pack on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Some guys that are bigger dudes and all that going
in, they're going with like 70pounds on their back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
So then you would basically double in your pack
weight Could be To go out withme, to go out with 25K, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Wow, yeah, so I know, because we were thinking like
man, that would be hard.
But I mean, if you do it youhave so much like holy shit, we
made it happen, kind of thing.
You did it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, to get out of them if I miss my flight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Yeah, so it's pretty incredible, super cool.
Thanks for listening, boys.

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