October 15, 2025 • 49 mins
I didn’t hit my A, B, or C goals for Sunday’s Chicago Marathon—and I may just be better for it. I was on pace for A (3:25!) until around mile 18, and then the heat hit me like a ton of bricks. I kept pushing forward thinking of so much of the advice and takeaways that elites have offered me over the years (pain is a privilege, your mind is stronger than you realize, break it up into little doubles, and so on).
Talking through the race in this week's episode. Detailing the tears, the smiles, and the good times along the course, plus: How I feel now that I've had some time to process.
I know this now: I didn’t need to hit my goals on Sunday to consider this a win. (Also, it’s just not that serious.) I can say without hesitation that the pivot is a privilege. There’s so much damn power in it, too. I went for my moonshot goal, and that’s the whole point, right? To be brave and gutsy and tenacious because we get to.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is so wild to me that the woman who
when she started running couldn't run a single mile in
under fourteen minutes stood on that starting line on Sunday
and believed wholeheartedly and knew that she was entirely capable
of running twenty six point two at a seven forty
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nine piece.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
What's going on? Emily?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Here? You are listening to episode three hundred and seventy
seven of Hurdle a while on this focus podcast where
I talk to inspirational people about everything from their highest
ties and toughest moments to essential tips on how to
live a happier, healthier, more motivated life. We all go
through our fair share of hurdles, Michael, through these discussions
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is to empower you to better no gate yours and
move with intention so that you can stride towards your
own big potential and of course have some fun along
the way. She's fresh off of her fifteenth marathon, sitting
back at the desk. I know last week I was like,
Hurdle's going to come out on Tuesdays, This is so exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But I got back on a Tuesday and I knew I.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Wanted to lead with this episode for the week so
Wednesday morning episode, it is HI, Hello. It feels good
to be sitting right now. It feels good to be home.
And like I said on Sunday, I ran the Chicago
Marathon for the second time, and it was my fifteenth marathon,
and I feel so proud of myself for so many
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reasons which we will certainly discuss today. I am geeked
on the accomplishment, the day itself, and the vibe surrounding
the day so high, so special to be able to
do something that brings me so much joy, that thing
being running, and integrate it in my day to day
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with so many people that I care about and that
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To be in Chicago, so far from home, but feel.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So surrounded and inundated with community and positivity. That is,
I mean, it's priceless, and it's something that if I
could tell my younger self this, I certainly would.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Don't do it on your own for this long. I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I didn't start running with other people regularly until twenty eighteen,
and I started running in two thousand and eight. For
the first ten years of that journey, I was.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Scared to run with other people.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I was intimidated and worried that I wasn't good enough,
and what opening myself up to that has done for me.
The opportunity to not only meet new people, but benefit
from a performance point of view, and also really just
soak in so much goodness that happens when you are moving, sweating,
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doing hard things with others.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's unrivaled. And so I digress today.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The recap that you have been after I for those
of you that may be a newer hurdlers, I typically
record these as much as possible in a stream of consciousness.
I like to give you my honest feedback on the
day and where my head is at. And trust me,
my head is a little bit all over the place
right now, So bear with me as this episode it
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might slightly go off the rails.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I often hear that Chicago twenty nineteen's recap was a
big entry point for a lot of people that might
be still listening to the show. So if you are
one of those people, I want you to know that
I appreciate you for hanging with me, for motivating me to.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Keep showing up.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I will say that I mean, I feel like I'm
always all over the place. I've just been dealing with
so much offline. I will talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That a bit in today's conversation, but dealing with so.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Much offline, and I felt so uplifted by so many
of you that I ran into in Chicago who stopped
me to say hello. And I want you to always
do that. I want you to always come up and
introduce yourself to me. And it just reminds me that
there are a lot of you listening to this on
the other side of this microphone. And as much as
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it is me in the studio creating this content and
often feels like I'm throwing it into the void, I
know you're there. You're there, and I'm here, and we're
doing this together. And for that, I am so so grateful.
I'm not going to get into too many of the
teasing details, but I do feel like highlight worthy before
we get into it. I ran a three thirty fifty
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two on Sunday. I did not hit my AB or
C goal, and saying that out loud feels really vulnerable.
But I have so much gratitude and appreciation and like,
I'm so fond of what happened this weekend for a
number of reasons, and I refuse to let not hitting
a certain time goal be the reason that I don't
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reflect fondly on the last sixteen weeks. And so with that,
I'm gonna get into it. Make sure you're following along
on social Over at Hurdle podcast. I'm over at Emily
a body. Let's get it's a hurdling, all right, Let's
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get into it, Chicago, twenty twenty five. So for some
foundational context, I started running in two thousand and eight.
When I began running, I started doing it under the
assumption that I would never be quote unquote good at it,
and at the time that wasn't even something that I
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cared to be. When I started running, I did so
because I wanted to lose weight. I've talked about my
weight loss a number of times on the show, but
I lost a dramatic amount of weight around seventy pounds
in college, and running was a big part of that.
I put myself out there to do this thing because
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I was working at an overnight camp and didn't have
access to what's commonly referred to as a big box gym.
And so when I previously was going to a Planet
Fitness and walking on an elliptical for forty five minutes
to an hour multiple times a week.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That wasn't available to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I made the decision to start running, and I ran
every day after lunch during our rest period we would
call it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I found out.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That summer that not only could I run, that I
could do it and I might even start to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And that felt really magical.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And so this activity that I started doing wearing Haynes,
white V necks and cotton leggings from Target and shoes
that were definitely too small for me. Now fast forward,
I mean this is almost twenty years later. I am
a completely different person because I decided to lease up
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my sneakers that summer in two thousand and eight, and
I am so grateful for it. When I say that
I never aspired to be good at running, I also
did not expect that it would become such a cornerstone
of my life. Running has taught me so many things.
Among those things the beauty of believing in yourself and
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working hard for something that you want, and the diligence
that goes into a training plan, and that I can
do hard things at the end of the day, and
there is nothing that a finish or not hitting a
certain goal can take away from the beauty that is
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all of those lessons for me, and I know that
hard stop. This was, as I said in the intro,
my fifteenth marathon, and if you have listened to that
Chicago marathon recap from twenty nineteen and twenty nineteen for context,
a lot of context here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I had the craziest day. It felt.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The marathon almost felt easy, which is never something that
I would expect. I cannot pinpoint looking back on that day.
I mean, it's been a second now, but any one
thing that I did going into it, like in the
days leading up to the marathon, that made that feel
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so good. And knowing what I know now, it's almost
so funny because there are things that I consciously do
now to protect my energy that I like, I didn't
even have those tools in the toolbox back in twenty nineteen,
so to show up in twenty nineteen, and I showed
up that day and I had this race goal of
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a three point forty, which would have been something like
a twelve minute PR and that goal felt so exciting
and scary, and I remember sharing that goal on social
media and being like, oh my god, I can't believe
that I just put this into the world and not
only did I surpass my goal, but I ran a
three twenty eight and qualified for Boston, and that was it.
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Just I'm smiling thinking of it. It was such a gift.
It was such a special day for me. And yes,
the time is something that I'm proud of, But what
really was just so special about that day is I
stopped believing that day that I was a certain kind
of per I for so long in my running journey
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didn't aspire to run any certain pace at all.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I believed that I was slow.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I do want to disclaim this, As I mentioned times
and paces and whatnot throughout this conversation, running a certain
pace doesn't make one person better than another person. If
you have a body, you're an athlete. If you go
for a run, whether or not there is walking involved,
you are a runner.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Period.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I when I started my running journey didn't have an
aspiration to run any certain pace. All I wanted to
do was run, and then, like I said, I wanted
to lose weight. And it was continuously rewarding as I
did it. More that I became quote unquote better at it.
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I became someone who was cognizant of my pace was
understanding that there could be more out there for me
within this sport and that I could have the opportunity
to test the boundaries of my potential and that excited me.
But if that's not something that excites you, then, just
like with any goal, it's not something that you should chase.
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Like the journey is the destination and gosh, I am sure.
I will talk about that in a bit as well,
so as we continue to set the scene here online
and offline. If you follow me on the socials, you
saw that I went to Japan recently. That's quite a
large trip to take when you are training for a marathon.
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I am also not the kind of person that's going
to not properly train for the marathon. And I think
that's a really interesting discussion that's happening quite regularly now.
There are so many people that are bringing attention to
the sport in maybe ways that are a bit controversial.
I don't think that it's responsible to preach that others
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should make similarly bad. If you want to run a
marathon without training, that is entirely your prerogative. But I
do believe that by sharing stories of running marathons without training.
We're almost like encouraging dangerous behavior. Okay, I'll get off
of my soapbox. Now, I am not young. I mean
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I'm not old, but I'm thirty seven. I started running
almost twenty years ago, like I said, and I know
that I need to train in a certain way if
I want to stave off and avoid injury.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so despite the travel.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That I had on deck and what I did, I
knew that I would make the time to follow and
stick with the plan while I was away from home,
which meant two very long runs in very warm weather.
I also knew that going to the other side of
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the world would bring with it some implications of difficulty
with sleep.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I was dealing with some just like.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Personal health stuff over the last couple of months, which
also felt really challenging. And so between the travel and
the health stuff, I just needed to when I got
home have a bit of grace with myself. I got
home about three weeks before Chicago, and for the first
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two weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I was sleeping.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm not even exaggerating at least nine hours a night,
but I didn't feel really strong at all in my body.
I felt like I was out of rhythm, running felt
really hard again. It just wasn't clicking in a way
that you hope that it could click in the last
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few weeks workouts, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Before you get to a marathon. And so.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
By saying all of this, I'm really just at the table,
and I'm also recognizing and acknowledging that I made decisions
that I needed to make and took opportunities that I
wanted to take. I wanted to be able to do
it all. I am not an elite athlete, and so
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in order for me to live my life and do
what I want to do, there are going to be
times where one thing's got to give. And for me
during this training cycle, despite committing to doing all of
the work to the best of my ability and having
grace when I could, I did make the choice to
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really prioritize work a little bit more, and I maybe
faced some repercussions from that.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Maybe, but I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Anyway, I know that the training cycle for me was
about so much more than the finish line. This has
been such a season of effort, as I to call it,
from traveling and trying new things and working incredibly hard
I still had like the dedication and the early mornings
and the commitment to show up for those long runs,
and that commitment didn't just disappear because I didn't get
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what I wanted. So I am so grateful for what
running instills in me so that I can keep showing
up and I can keep doing hard things in all
areas of my life. I'm trying to think about what
else I need to do to set the table for
the weekend. I did feel really good, I said those
two weeks after Japan, we're a little rough. In that
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last week week and a half leading up to the marathon,
I felt really good.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I feel really strong.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I've been on this strength training journey, and I do
think that maybe let's talk a little bit about that now.
It has been really interesting for me. I was at
this very different place about I mean about a year ago.
Like probably the leanest and the strongest that I felt
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in a really long time was around the end of
last year beginning of this year, and my body is
just like so different when I changed my goals, and
that's okay. I am so happy that I made the
shifts required to go after what excited me. However, I
would be remiss if I didn't say, like, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
To look at a carb for a second.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm tired of carbo loading, and I'm really excited to
feel strong in my body again and get back to
lifting and also eat many vegetables the weekend. Okay, prep
for the weekend. I checked a bag and brought and
prepared everything far ahead of my flight so that I
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wouldn't be missing anything. So I made a list of
everything I knew that I wanted to bring. I checked
a bag so I could bring, like my Norma Tech
boots and all of my other recovery tools.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I got my.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Singlet crossed from my run club, and I knew nothing
new on race day and wore for the race Nike
Alpha Flies, a.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Pair of shorts from Target that I love.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I know that we don't like to promote Target, but
I have this really great pair of fun shorts that
is just one of my go tos. It has four
pockets and one of them has a zipper, which I
think is really great. I wore a pocket sports bra
that's also quite old from Nike. My run club singlet,
a pair of Oakley sunglasses which have a funny story
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attached to them. I ordered them the week of the marathon.
I tried them. A girlfriend had them, and I love
the way that they looked, and they didn't get to
me before I left. So what ended up happening is
they arrived at my building. My door woman. We have
a woman on our building doorman staff, and she helped
me messenger them to a friend who is leaving for
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Chicago the next day. So shout out Victor for being
the handoff there. But those sunglasses. I wore a Garmin
four runner watch, and I think that's all you need
to know. Oh also darn tough socks, but that was
everything that I wore.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I put my hair in a low braid.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And before now I bring you into the race recap properly,
let's talk about the build up. I tried to carblowd properly,
probably for the first time in my life. And the
way that this works is in the two to three
days before the race, the goal is to gradually increase
your carbohydrate intake. Okay, so you should be consuming ten
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to twelve grams of carbohydrates per kilogram of body weight
per day. So if I do that math, I'm looking
at something like seven hundred ish grams of carbohydrates in
a single day, which is that's a lot. That's a
lot to take in. And so for me, I was
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doing things like I mean, I ate a ton, but
I also drink two apple juices, which have a ton
of carbs in it. The morning, I had a donut
and a half a bagel. Then I had a burger
for lunch with sweet potato fries. I had two apple juices.
I was snacking on like gummies and pretzels throughout the day,
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and at night I ate a personal pizza like it
was a lot of carbs. And we did what we
had to do, and so that was part of the prep.
I made sure I was like getting into my bed early.
I got into bed the night before and two nights
before at eight thirty. Okay, the build up to the race,
the build up to the race. I my goal for
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this race was to run the race faster than I
did in twenty nineteen. Like I said, I ran into
three twenty eighth eight. It felt like a total miracle
at the time, and since then, I have had so
many conversations, I've learned so much, I've tested myself in
so many different ways, and I was really confident that
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I could really go for this. Now. From a data POV,
they often say that your projective marathon time is two
times your half marathon time plus ten to fifteen minutes.
So that means that I recently ran a one thirty
nine half marathon and it was a very challenging hilly
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course in June. So I was on track to run
around a three point thirty marathon, and knowing that that
previous half was quite challenging, I felt very optimistic. In
the weeks leading up to the race. I started to
have it in my ear from some lovely friends of mine,
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I think you're three twenty five. I think you're at
three twenty five. I'm so confident you can run three
twenty five. And you know, for a while there, I
kept saying, lightning doesn't strike twice, I'm not gonna be
That's not what we're going for here. But then I
had an important conversation that I talked about on Friday
of last week in five Minute Friday, where my life
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coach said to me, isn't it just as likely that
you could surprise yourself? Isn't it just as likely that
it'll go better than you even envision and why are
you the only person that is standing in your way
with this? And oftentimes I can be such a rooted
in reality, data focused, not open kind of person.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And she said that to me, and I was like,
why not me?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And so I started to do what des Linden told
me that she did years ago, with the understanding that
does marathon is an elite marathoner and I am definitely not.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But that is besides the point.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Dez told me in an interview many times now that
she started to live her life like she was the
Boston Marathon champion. When she thought about how she would sleep,
when she thought about how she would eat, when she
thought about what she would do in the middle of
her day or what snack she was going to have,
she would literally ask herself the question, well, is this
something a Boston Marathon champion would do? And so she
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took a lined action, which I talked about on the
show from last week, to become that person. And so
I decided on Wednesday of last week that I was
all in that I was a three twenty five marathoner.
The amount of times that I not only wrote that
down but then started to ask myself the questions. I
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lost count and even at the expo, I have a
picture of it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I took a picture of it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I wrote on this piece of paper like I am
a three twenty five marathon her. And then when I
went to get the Pacete bracelet, part of me wanted
to reach for the three thirty and I said, absolutely not,
I am a three twenty five marathon her, and so
I picked up the three twenty five. Well, they actually
have paste tattoos that you put on your forearm, and
so I went with a three twenty five tattoo, and
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I fueled like a three twenty five marathoner and I
was I was in. I decided that my race strategy
was going to be to be a metronome. I in
the past have been very good at sticking with one pace.
I more than often, like more often than not, front
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load my races knowing that I am going to fade
a little bit. That's what I did at both the
Cherry Blossom and at after Dark. I ran the Nike
La half in June, and that worked for me both
of those times. So I decided to go out a
little bit faster and I'm talking like seconds here, like
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a little faster than what the average pace for a
three to twenty five marathoner would be, which is seven
minutes and forty nine seconds, and I made the choice
to run. We committed to doing the first half together
with a girlfriend and who had the exact same goal
as me, and so that was really nice to work
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together and to look for each other and navigate that
first half together. It was even more fun to be
with one another when we would see our friends at
different places. I felt really inspired by her grit and
it was good for us to check each other with
the timing.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Everything was pretty good. Now.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
There were definitely moments where we were moving a little hot,
as the kids say, and so I think there are
some miles in there where we like dip into like
seven point thirty nine. But it felt really good, and
I kept doing that thing that I did in twenty
nineteen when I was like, close your eyes for a
second and do a rate of Perceived exertion and RPE check,
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and every time I was like, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Okay, Like you've got this, You've got this.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's what I keep kept saying to myself, like if
it was easy, everyone would do it. And that's honestly
what became my mantra. Like, starting at fourteen or so,
I started to feel the effort, and I said to myself,
if it was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That's what I kept saying. And so.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
At my favorite part of the race is, without a doubt,
right after the halfway point, there's a bridge there. It's
right after twenty k and or right so the bridge
would be right before the half point. Technically right after
twenty k there's a bridge, and so many of my
friends are on the bridge, all of like my friends
that are photographers, many of them are on the bridge.
At the end of the bridge is my girlfriend that's
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going to like hand me an element bottle. And then
I hang right off the bridge and there's more friends
and more cheering, and like the energy is just electric there.
And so I'm still like riding this high from god
thirteen to seventeen. For context on the day, also the
forecast I think for or this day, the high was
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like sixty six and it was brilliant sun and going
into it that made me a little nervous because I
run quite warm, and they say that you have to
anticipate it feeling fifteen degrees warmer than it is. So
that means if the high is sixty six or sixty eight,
then we're talking that the real feel is above eighty degrees,
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which when you're out there for three and a half hours,
that can be a little tricky. So after thirteen I'm hyped.
I go from like a seven fifty mile right on
pace to a seven thirty six. Then I go back
and bump it up a bit seven forty six, seven
fifty two, seven fifty three, And at eighteen that's when
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I start to feel like, holy wow, it is warm
out and I'm warm, and I'm telling myself, I can
do this. I can do this. It is it can
be two things at once. It can be warm and
I am capable of running in the heat. And I
started to think about so many of these conversations that
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I've had with these stellar humans, and they're talking about
their best performances and the point in their life when
they realized that they were able to think of pain
as a mindset and not as a physical state, and
also push through it to a place that I mean,
it's definitely not advisable for the everyday person, but I
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remember Jesse Diggins, the cross country skier. She told me
that she learned from a young age in her career
that she was capable of quote unquote blacking out and performing.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So I'm like, if Jesse Diggins can do it, I
can do it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And then I stay in this place where I keep
saying to myself, pain is a mindset.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Pain is a mindset. Pains a mindset.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Running like that, my pace is for the next three
miles eight oh five, eight oh six, eight oh nine,
eight eleven, I'm like, Okay, it's slipping a little bit,
but like, just keep telling yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Pain is a mind I get to mile twenty two.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And the realist kicks in for me, and I am like,
if I am if I continue like this, and I
try to push through this pain as a mindset moment,
and I'm so warm and the sun is beating down
on me, and yes, like my legs are definitely starting
to feel heavy. I just kept thinking, like what if
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you go down? And this is where I do think
a little bit. The gremlin got to me. A girlfriend
that was tracking me from Connecticut. Hey, Rach She called me,
and I just start like bawling and I answer it
like I feel the vibration on my wrist and I
wore the Bow's open ear headphones, so I can't tell
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the headphones to pick up the call. So I consciously
pick up my phone from my pocket and click answer,
and I can't hear her, but I just start bawling.
And I know that she knows that I am in
the pain Cave because she's watching the graph like Dip
at home. She's calling to like inspire me, and I'm like,
I'm okay, and I just like kept repeating that, like
I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. And then when I
ran the Nike After Dark Half, I was with my
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girlfriend Steph, who's literally like a month from giving birth
right now. She was pregnant when we ran the half,
and she is so speedy and so motivating. And a
mile later after I got off the phone with Rachel,
I was like, I need to talk to stuff. So
I like, I'm running, but mind you, like, I'm still
clicking away here, I'm still forward as a pace, and
I call stuff. I can't even hear stuff, but I'm
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like Steph telling me something good, like I'm not well,
I'm okay, I'm okay. So what happens ultimately is that
slips a little bit more, and I go eight thirty three,
eight thirty nine, eight fifty five, and then at mile
twenty four I go back to you get to pains
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a mindset for a second there in those two miles
where I'm so hot and I am overheating and it
is like really starting to get to me. I go
into this victim mindset for a second after I pushed
so hard to hold on and I just knew it.
I didn't come that far to only come that far.
And it sounds cheesy, but I've been saying it for
a while and I'm not going to stop saying it.
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I was going to get to that finish and I
wanted it to be something that I could be proud of.
And so basically what happened is I looked down at
my watch and I was at like the forty sixth
second of the minute, and I walked for fourteen seconds,
and I said, in fourteen seconds, it's go time. And
so I pulled over to the side, and it happened
to be like on this little small uphill. The marathon
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is completely flat basically except for a couple of very
very small.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Hills, and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I took my time and then I went, and my
paces went down again. I went eight twenty six, eight
oh five, last half mile seven forty eight, and I
am so proud of that. I kicked so hard, it
felt so hard, so hard, and I finished, and I
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was so happy that I finished, and so proud of myself,
and I was a container for both. I have so
much pride, and I was also a little disappointed the
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day before I put out into the world on zocial
that I was going to run this marathon faster six
years later than I did in twenty nineteen. I firmly
believed it, but there is there are things that are
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beyond my control, and I truly feel like I did
the best I could with what I had. I have
so much pride for how I handled those really difficult miles,
the mental gymnastics it took to keep my body moving
when I was breaking down. And I know that that
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tenacity and that grit and that determination that is so
much more important and far bigger than the two minutes
that I missed on the clock. And so I am
in this place where I'm dealing with this duality, where
I understand that it was a race of both, and
I know that that's like a really important and beautiful
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metaphor for life, and going back to the strong finish,
like what a gift. The hard finish is a gift.
I was running so well, right on track, on for
my goal, and when the heat hit and the wheels
started to fall off, my biggest win wasn't the pace
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that I was running earlier. It was the ability to
dig deep and run a fast final couple of miles
after the damage was done. That comeback is what I
take with me. That comeback shows me what I am
truly capable of when things get tough. I laugh when
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I think about the things that I was saying to myself,
comparing you know, the lessons and the beautiful takeaways that
I've had from my conversations with so many elite athletes,
and I'm like, I am not an elite athlete. I'm
not an elite athlete. It's okay. I don't want to
be one. I just want to push the boundaries of
my own potential. And a friend said to me, when
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I was talking to him about you know how the
heat got me, he ran as well. He said, you
did it, and you inspired people along the way, and
there's always so many more races, so lesson learned short memory,
move on And I'm like, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Right, we move We move on.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You know I can also if we want to talk
about heat and adaptation, like I got really hot out there,
and when my body told me no, my mind had
to switch from pace goal to finish goal and that
required a huge mental pivot in life, like the unexpected heat.
You know, the setbacks, the hurdles, the surprises, that's what
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tests us. So the marathon is the ultimate lesson in
adaptation and mental resilience. And I showed myself on Sunday.
I reminded myself because I know this about me. I'm
not going to quit when the plan fails or when
things feel hard. That is not who I am. I
am not a quitter. And I know why I do this.
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I do this because it is an opportunity to remember
who the hell I am. And no matter what the
outcome was, on Sunday, I got to experience that we
all did. Whether you set the new American records like
Connor Mans or you were the last person to across
that finish line, there is so much beauty and grit
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and bravery and resilience, and there's just so much that
goes into it, and that is why I love running,
Like I feel as though for many people they hear
things like this and if they don't run, then maybe
you don't fully understand. But it's so much bigger than
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the act of running for me. And I'm not saying
if you are like happily married or you have children,
that you don't get to feel how.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I feel about this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
But running is just a reminder sometimes that I have
value in a society that makes me feel like, because
I am unwed and not a mother right now, that
I'm doing something completely wrong and that's real, that's so real.
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It's just a reminder for myself, like as I like
get my I act together and I just feel better
in my body and I remind myself that I have
value in worth exactly as I am, and that it's
not something that I should have to go run a
marathon to remind myself. But sometimes I do feel like
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these opportunities are just one big.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Kick in the butt that you are so.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Good, am and I am so good five minutes, two minutes, whatever,
many minutes aside, I'm so good for showing up and
doing it in the first place. I do want to
talk a little bit about the power of the pivot.
Like I said, as it started to get hard, I
really did have to adjust my goal and my mindset
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a bit mid race.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And so.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
My big piece of advice from this marathon is that, yes,
it's okay to be optimistic and step into that affirmed action,
but in the moment of the pivot, it's so beautiful
if you have the tenacity or maybe you can be
brave enough to be brutally honest with yourself in the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So like around mile.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Eighteen nineteen twenty, I had to stop trying to force
this pace that I wanted and started running the pace
that I could sustain to finish strong. If you're chasing
a goal and the plan falls apart, you don't quit.
You just got a pivot. You don't quit. I enunciate this,
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you just have to pitot. So going back to that
place of both, I mean, that's still where I'm living in.
I have so much to be proud of. I feel
so solid, and I'm already kind of like what's next.
So that's a question that's in my DMS right now.
So I don't know what's next at the moment. I
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would like I will be at everyone's marathon in November.
I'm going to be hosting and hanging out with the
crew and Scottsdale. Part of me wouldn't mind running me
after Dark half in London in November. I kind of
have my eye on it. I'm thinking about it. I'm
I'm about it with a girlfriend right now. I don't
know what my next marathon will be. I don't have
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any desire firstpring marathon. I do really love the marathon distance,
and I anticipate that I'll keep doing it, like I
am not done with this yet, and not even from
like I'm not done with this yet because I want
like a certain goal or thing again.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It's really about the journey for me and I enjoy
it so much.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
But I believe that I could be talked into Sydney
next year. I've never been to Australia and that could
be a really fun thing for me. But no big
goal race or thing on the radar right now, and
I'm very much okay with that. But don't be surprised
if you see me in London in November. I do
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want to go back to the socials because I did
put up a questions box, and there's some that are
still coming in and I wanted to answer them if
I can.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
What was your fueling strategy for the race? Okay? Good one.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I did a gel every five k ish and then
just hydrated as much as possible. When I hit like
that rough patch and got so hot at mile twenty,
I decided that I or twenty two.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I've lost all concept of what happened in this marathon.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I had an Element packet in my pocket and I
ripped it open and just like poured half of it
into my mouth because I felt like I was like
losing all the fluid in my body.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know what that did, but it felt good
when I did it, So maybe testing salt packets is
in my future. But I did drink two bottles of
Element on the course in addition to the Gatorade. Basically
at every single water station, someone asks me congrats on
the race, curious what the hours after the race looked like.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
For your recovery. I remember once I asked does Lund
in this?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think it was in our marathon prep episode last year,
and she like totally went into like pr spokes mode
and she said like.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You know, if you can walk a little bit, or
like get in an ice bath.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And I looked at her like I stared at her
blank and I was like, do you get in an
ice bath after a marathon?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
She goes absolutely not. I'm like, okay, So I'm with
Dez on this.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I am more like, let's celebrate the accomplishment, but my
recovery after it was more like about emotional recovery. I
was inundated on my phone and I needed to just
absorb what had happened. So I got back to my
I biked back to my hotel because that was the
easiest way to get around, and I took a shower
and like took an hour and just had some me time,
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called my mom, processed a bit, and then went to
go meet my run club at a bar where I
had some sippies and some bites, and then I had
the most lovely meal with three of my friends afterward
at this little like French brasserie.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I'm totally saying that wrong. Maybe I don't know a
most wonderful meal there.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
And then I went back to my hotel and got
my act together and then went to the three Run
two that's a Run club in Chicago. They have a
big after party every year, and so I went to
their after party. But in the since the day of
celebrations that we did the damn thing, I've used my
Normatech boots more like downtime. I like laid in bed
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until ten am the day after the marathon, that is
like very unlike me, but slowly moved in like walked
around a bit to get in some movement and try
to flush what's going on in my legs. I got
a massage on Monday, lots of hydration and just commemorating
it with good friends. I went to get my first
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slice of deep dish ever at Pea Quads, and then
at night had a burger at Auschival, which was so good,
so good, And I actually stayed in Chicago when NEXTRA day,
which I don't tip it do after a marathon, and
I think that was really good for me before flying.
Other questions here, did you follow a group or go
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on it on your own? So, like I said, I
ran with my friend. Her name's Amani. We tried to
find a three twenty five group but like could not
find a sign or get to a sign within our corral,
and so when we went out, it really just became
on us to keep each other honest with the pace
that we are running. I think that could have helped
me if we I believe we both agree on that.
It could have been nice to be with the pace group,
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but I have never run with one before, and I
was down for it to either be just her and
I or with the pace group. And that's just kind
of how it shook out. What did you think about
when the going got tough? So, I mean I talked
a lot about this, embracing the pivot, understanding that you
might need to switch from a pace goal to a
finished goal, really having a good ability to zoom out
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and think of this as a season of effort like
I spoke about before, which I think is so important.
I'm also really going back to those mantras that I
would saying if it was if it was easy, everybody
would do it, keep pushing and forward forward as possible.
Like I just kept going to those in my head.
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Anything you do differently, Nah, I did the best I
could with what I have. I'm proud of the training,
I'm proud of the effort. I'm proud of all of it.
I believe that the universe is conspiring in your favor
at all times, and so sometimes that's a hard word
pill to swallow when it doesn't go as you had hoped.
But I know that I am better for what happened
on Sunday, And often what I know to be true
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is that these difficult moments are bigger teachers than our
highest ones, and so as beautiful as it could have
been to get three twenty five or sub three twenty
eight oh eight or sub three thirty the A, B,
and C goals, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I really am good. I mean that whole wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Pre race dinner in Chicago, I had a personal pizza
from my hotel. Will I be doing Sydney, I would
love to. Let's talk talk about it. Running watch recommendations.
I ran with a Garmin Forerunner. There's a new Apple
Watch Ultra. While speaking, I've been doing this for too long.
It's time for me to wrap this. There's a new
Apple Watch Ultra that I'm very excited about. But I
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wear a Garmin Forerunner and my last watch was the
Garman Epics, and I loved my Epics. Someone asks, what
was your first marathon time? And how has your relationship
with the times changed over the years, there have been
times in my life.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I will say this as well.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I have not always been someone that's trying to run
a faster time at every marathon. In fact, there was
like a three year period where I was really struggling
with planter fasciitis. If you've been here for a minute,
if you know, you know, I have just wanted to
finish marathons, and that has been the only goal, especially
with a lot of the international marathons in Tokyo. Like
I had never been to Japan. I was there strictly
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for vibes. Like strictly, I was out until like two
or three in the morning three days before the marathon,
and that.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Was by choice.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I was going there to like really embrace the entire experience,
Whereas you know, I went into Chicago with a specific goal.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
So I think that.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
What's hard right now with the way that some folks
talk is if it's not a pr then like it's
not it's not enough or it's not good enough. Like
you get to decide what this means to you, what
it is that you want, and don't set your goals
based on what other people make you feel like you
should do. I'm sitting here saying that as like so
many people told me the go three twenty five, I
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don't regret going for it. I don't regret going for
the moonshot goal of anything, Like hell yeah, and how
special is it? I keep coming back to this. This
was like really hitting me the night before the marathon.
It is insane to me that I had every reason
to believe that I was capable of running twenty six
point two miles at a seven forty nine piece Like
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that in itself is the biggest win. That is wild
to me, as someone who when she started running not
run a single mile faster than fifteen minutes. To show
up on Sunday and have the tenacity and grit to
say I can do twenty six point two of these
miles at seven forty nine, that, in itself, I couldn't
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ask for anything more. Like, I am so proud of
me for that. That is the essence of hard work.
That is the essence of the opportunity cost that has
gone in over years here to get.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To this place. And I'm I'm just I'm really proud
of that. I'm really really proud of that.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Oh man, I think I've answered most of the questions here,
and I've been yapping your ear off for a minute
now to everyone near and far who supported me on
this particular journey. I don't have the words to tell
you how much it means to me, but yeah, so
much love and support on the course and from the
hurdle community. And I saw so many of you on
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the streets that came up to me, and I will
say that, Uh, you know, someone said something to me
really valuable this morning. He said, well, he asked, He said,
do you ever do live events or stuff at moments
like this, because he was with me when one of
the girls came up to introduce herself and I was like, actually,
like I usually do, but this weekend I didn't, and
he like kind of challenged that. I said to him,
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like I wanted to conserve my energy, like there can
be like a lot that goes into moments like this,
and he said, but isn't there.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
A lot that you gain from it? And that is
so true.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
And something I'm working on personally is really just getting
to this place where like I allow and enable people
to show up for me more. And so I do
want to say genuinely like thank you to all of you,
and I needed to hear what he had to say.
I needed that reframe because I do know that I
am better like with all of you.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I am.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's so special to me and it fills up my
cup and so to look at it as an energy
drain when I know that it is an energy faucet.
It's just like setting up the right set of circumstances
so that it's good for all of us. So I
promise you there's good stuff coming from New York. Do
you not worry if you're coming to town. We're gonna
We're gonna hang out. We're gonna have a good time.
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I don't know if I rambled enough in this episode,
but it took you fifty two minutes to get here.
So thank you, Chicago. You're wonderful. I'm happy to be home.
Your girl is gonna Maybe I told myself I was
gonna have any wine this week now that I'm back home,
but maybe just one more glass of wine and have
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some salt bath and a little Netflix movie on my
iPad and call it a day. Chicago, You're so special.
Thanks for reminding me who the hell I am. And
to all of you, just keep doing what you're doing.
We all got goals to chase, things to do, and
each other to support along the way. Another hurdle conquered.
Catch you guys next time
It is so wild to me that the woman who
when she started running couldn't run a single mile in
under fourteen minutes stood on that starting line on Sunday
and believed wholeheartedly and knew that she was entirely capable
of running twenty six point two at a seven forty
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nine piece.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
What's going on? Emily?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Here? You are listening to episode three hundred and seventy
seven of Hurdle a while on this focus podcast where
I talk to inspirational people about everything from their highest
ties and toughest moments to essential tips on how to
live a happier, healthier, more motivated life. We all go
through our fair share of hurdles, Michael, through these discussions
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is to empower you to better no gate yours and
move with intention so that you can stride towards your
own big potential and of course have some fun along
the way. She's fresh off of her fifteenth marathon, sitting
back at the desk. I know last week I was like,
Hurdle's going to come out on Tuesdays, This is so exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But I got back on a Tuesday and I knew I.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Wanted to lead with this episode for the week so
Wednesday morning episode, it is HI, Hello. It feels good
to be sitting right now. It feels good to be home.
And like I said on Sunday, I ran the Chicago
Marathon for the second time, and it was my fifteenth marathon,
and I feel so proud of myself for so many
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reasons which we will certainly discuss today. I am geeked
on the accomplishment, the day itself, and the vibe surrounding
the day so high, so special to be able to
do something that brings me so much joy, that thing
being running, and integrate it in my day to day
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with so many people that I care about and that
I love.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To be in Chicago, so far from home, but feel.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So surrounded and inundated with community and positivity. That is,
I mean, it's priceless, and it's something that if I
could tell my younger self this, I certainly would.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Don't do it on your own for this long. I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I didn't start running with other people regularly until twenty eighteen,
and I started running in two thousand and eight. For
the first ten years of that journey, I was.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Scared to run with other people.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I was intimidated and worried that I wasn't good enough,
and what opening myself up to that has done for me.
The opportunity to not only meet new people, but benefit
from a performance point of view, and also really just
soak in so much goodness that happens when you are moving, sweating,
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doing hard things with others.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's unrivaled. And so I digress today.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The recap that you have been after I for those
of you that may be a newer hurdlers, I typically
record these as much as possible in a stream of consciousness.
I like to give you my honest feedback on the
day and where my head is at. And trust me,
my head is a little bit all over the place
right now, So bear with me as this episode it
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might slightly go off the rails.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I often hear that Chicago twenty nineteen's recap was a
big entry point for a lot of people that might
be still listening to the show. So if you are
one of those people, I want you to know that
I appreciate you for hanging with me, for motivating me to.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Keep showing up.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I will say that I mean, I feel like I'm
always all over the place. I've just been dealing with
so much offline. I will talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That a bit in today's conversation, but dealing with so.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Much offline, and I felt so uplifted by so many
of you that I ran into in Chicago who stopped
me to say hello. And I want you to always
do that. I want you to always come up and
introduce yourself to me. And it just reminds me that
there are a lot of you listening to this on
the other side of this microphone. And as much as
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it is me in the studio creating this content and
often feels like I'm throwing it into the void, I
know you're there. You're there, and I'm here, and we're
doing this together. And for that, I am so so grateful.
I'm not going to get into too many of the
teasing details, but I do feel like highlight worthy before
we get into it. I ran a three thirty fifty
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two on Sunday. I did not hit my AB or
C goal, and saying that out loud feels really vulnerable.
But I have so much gratitude and appreciation and like,
I'm so fond of what happened this weekend for a
number of reasons, and I refuse to let not hitting
a certain time goal be the reason that I don't
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reflect fondly on the last sixteen weeks. And so with that,
I'm gonna get into it. Make sure you're following along
on social Over at Hurdle podcast. I'm over at Emily
a body. Let's get it's a hurdling, all right, Let's
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get into it, Chicago, twenty twenty five. So for some
foundational context, I started running in two thousand and eight.
When I began running, I started doing it under the
assumption that I would never be quote unquote good at it,
and at the time that wasn't even something that I
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cared to be. When I started running, I did so
because I wanted to lose weight. I've talked about my
weight loss a number of times on the show, but
I lost a dramatic amount of weight around seventy pounds
in college, and running was a big part of that.
I put myself out there to do this thing because
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I was working at an overnight camp and didn't have
access to what's commonly referred to as a big box gym.
And so when I previously was going to a Planet
Fitness and walking on an elliptical for forty five minutes
to an hour multiple times a week.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That wasn't available to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I made the decision to start running, and I ran
every day after lunch during our rest period we would
call it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I found out.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That summer that not only could I run, that I
could do it and I might even start to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And that felt really magical.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And so this activity that I started doing wearing Haynes,
white V necks and cotton leggings from Target and shoes
that were definitely too small for me. Now fast forward,
I mean this is almost twenty years later. I am
a completely different person because I decided to lease up
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my sneakers that summer in two thousand and eight, and
I am so grateful for it. When I say that
I never aspired to be good at running, I also
did not expect that it would become such a cornerstone
of my life. Running has taught me so many things.
Among those things the beauty of believing in yourself and
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working hard for something that you want, and the diligence
that goes into a training plan, and that I can
do hard things at the end of the day, and
there is nothing that a finish or not hitting a
certain goal can take away from the beauty that is
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all of those lessons for me, and I know that
hard stop. This was, as I said in the intro,
my fifteenth marathon, and if you have listened to that
Chicago marathon recap from twenty nineteen and twenty nineteen for context,
a lot of context here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I had the craziest day. It felt.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The marathon almost felt easy, which is never something that
I would expect. I cannot pinpoint looking back on that day.
I mean, it's been a second now, but any one
thing that I did going into it, like in the
days leading up to the marathon, that made that feel
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so good. And knowing what I know now, it's almost
so funny because there are things that I consciously do
now to protect my energy that I like, I didn't
even have those tools in the toolbox back in twenty nineteen,
so to show up in twenty nineteen, and I showed
up that day and I had this race goal of
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a three point forty, which would have been something like
a twelve minute PR and that goal felt so exciting
and scary, and I remember sharing that goal on social
media and being like, oh my god, I can't believe
that I just put this into the world and not
only did I surpass my goal, but I ran a
three twenty eight and qualified for Boston, and that was it.
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Just I'm smiling thinking of it. It was such a gift.
It was such a special day for me. And yes,
the time is something that I'm proud of, But what
really was just so special about that day is I
stopped believing that day that I was a certain kind
of per I for so long in my running journey
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didn't aspire to run any certain pace at all.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I believed that I was slow.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I do want to disclaim this, As I mentioned times
and paces and whatnot throughout this conversation, running a certain
pace doesn't make one person better than another person. If
you have a body, you're an athlete. If you go
for a run, whether or not there is walking involved,
you are a runner.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Period.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I when I started my running journey didn't have an
aspiration to run any certain pace. All I wanted to
do was run, and then, like I said, I wanted
to lose weight. And it was continuously rewarding as I
did it. More that I became quote unquote better at it.
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I became someone who was cognizant of my pace was
understanding that there could be more out there for me
within this sport and that I could have the opportunity
to test the boundaries of my potential and that excited me.
But if that's not something that excites you, then, just
like with any goal, it's not something that you should chase.
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Like the journey is the destination and gosh, I am sure.
I will talk about that in a bit as well,
so as we continue to set the scene here online
and offline. If you follow me on the socials, you
saw that I went to Japan recently. That's quite a
large trip to take when you are training for a marathon.
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I am also not the kind of person that's going
to not properly train for the marathon. And I think
that's a really interesting discussion that's happening quite regularly now.
There are so many people that are bringing attention to
the sport in maybe ways that are a bit controversial.
I don't think that it's responsible to preach that others
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should make similarly bad. If you want to run a
marathon without training, that is entirely your prerogative. But I
do believe that by sharing stories of running marathons without training.
We're almost like encouraging dangerous behavior. Okay, I'll get off
of my soapbox. Now, I am not young. I mean
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I'm not old, but I'm thirty seven. I started running
almost twenty years ago, like I said, and I know
that I need to train in a certain way if
I want to stave off and avoid injury.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so despite the travel.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That I had on deck and what I did, I
knew that I would make the time to follow and
stick with the plan while I was away from home,
which meant two very long runs in very warm weather.
I also knew that going to the other side of
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the world would bring with it some implications of difficulty
with sleep.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I was dealing with some just like.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Personal health stuff over the last couple of months, which
also felt really challenging. And so between the travel and
the health stuff, I just needed to when I got
home have a bit of grace with myself. I got
home about three weeks before Chicago, and for the first
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two weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I was sleeping.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm not even exaggerating at least nine hours a night,
but I didn't feel really strong at all in my body.
I felt like I was out of rhythm, running felt
really hard again. It just wasn't clicking in a way
that you hope that it could click in the last
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few weeks workouts, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Before you get to a marathon. And so.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
By saying all of this, I'm really just at the table,
and I'm also recognizing and acknowledging that I made decisions
that I needed to make and took opportunities that I
wanted to take. I wanted to be able to do
it all. I am not an elite athlete, and so
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in order for me to live my life and do
what I want to do, there are going to be
times where one thing's got to give. And for me
during this training cycle, despite committing to doing all of
the work to the best of my ability and having
grace when I could, I did make the choice to
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really prioritize work a little bit more, and I maybe
faced some repercussions from that.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Maybe, but I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Anyway, I know that the training cycle for me was
about so much more than the finish line. This has
been such a season of effort, as I to call it,
from traveling and trying new things and working incredibly hard
I still had like the dedication and the early mornings
and the commitment to show up for those long runs,
and that commitment didn't just disappear because I didn't get
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what I wanted. So I am so grateful for what
running instills in me so that I can keep showing
up and I can keep doing hard things in all
areas of my life. I'm trying to think about what
else I need to do to set the table for
the weekend. I did feel really good, I said those
two weeks after Japan, we're a little rough. In that
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last week week and a half leading up to the marathon,
I felt really good.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I feel really strong.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I've been on this strength training journey, and I do
think that maybe let's talk a little bit about that now.
It has been really interesting for me. I was at
this very different place about I mean about a year ago.
Like probably the leanest and the strongest that I felt
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in a really long time was around the end of
last year beginning of this year, and my body is
just like so different when I changed my goals, and
that's okay. I am so happy that I made the
shifts required to go after what excited me. However, I
would be remiss if I didn't say, like, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
To look at a carb for a second.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm tired of carbo loading, and I'm really excited to
feel strong in my body again and get back to
lifting and also eat many vegetables the weekend. Okay, prep
for the weekend. I checked a bag and brought and
prepared everything far ahead of my flight so that I
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wouldn't be missing anything. So I made a list of
everything I knew that I wanted to bring. I checked
a bag so I could bring, like my Norma Tech
boots and all of my other recovery tools.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I got my.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Singlet crossed from my run club, and I knew nothing
new on race day and wore for the race Nike
Alpha Flies, a.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Pair of shorts from Target that I love.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I know that we don't like to promote Target, but
I have this really great pair of fun shorts that
is just one of my go tos. It has four
pockets and one of them has a zipper, which I
think is really great. I wore a pocket sports bra
that's also quite old from Nike. My run club singlet,
a pair of Oakley sunglasses which have a funny story
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attached to them. I ordered them the week of the marathon.
I tried them. A girlfriend had them, and I love
the way that they looked, and they didn't get to
me before I left. So what ended up happening is
they arrived at my building. My door woman. We have
a woman on our building doorman staff, and she helped
me messenger them to a friend who is leaving for
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Chicago the next day. So shout out Victor for being
the handoff there. But those sunglasses. I wore a Garmin
four runner watch, and I think that's all you need
to know. Oh also darn tough socks, but that was
everything that I wore.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I put my hair in a low braid.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And before now I bring you into the race recap properly,
let's talk about the build up. I tried to carblowd properly,
probably for the first time in my life. And the
way that this works is in the two to three
days before the race, the goal is to gradually increase
your carbohydrate intake. Okay, so you should be consuming ten
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to twelve grams of carbohydrates per kilogram of body weight
per day. So if I do that math, I'm looking
at something like seven hundred ish grams of carbohydrates in
a single day, which is that's a lot. That's a
lot to take in. And so for me, I was
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doing things like I mean, I ate a ton, but
I also drink two apple juices, which have a ton
of carbs in it. The morning, I had a donut
and a half a bagel. Then I had a burger
for lunch with sweet potato fries. I had two apple juices.
I was snacking on like gummies and pretzels throughout the day,
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and at night I ate a personal pizza like it
was a lot of carbs. And we did what we
had to do, and so that was part of the prep.
I made sure I was like getting into my bed early.
I got into bed the night before and two nights
before at eight thirty. Okay, the build up to the race,
the build up to the race. I my goal for
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this race was to run the race faster than I
did in twenty nineteen. Like I said, I ran into
three twenty eighth eight. It felt like a total miracle
at the time, and since then, I have had so
many conversations, I've learned so much, I've tested myself in
so many different ways, and I was really confident that
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I could really go for this. Now. From a data POV,
they often say that your projective marathon time is two
times your half marathon time plus ten to fifteen minutes.
So that means that I recently ran a one thirty
nine half marathon and it was a very challenging hilly
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course in June. So I was on track to run
around a three point thirty marathon, and knowing that that
previous half was quite challenging, I felt very optimistic. In
the weeks leading up to the race. I started to
have it in my ear from some lovely friends of mine,
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I think you're three twenty five. I think you're at
three twenty five. I'm so confident you can run three
twenty five. And you know, for a while there, I
kept saying, lightning doesn't strike twice, I'm not gonna be
That's not what we're going for here. But then I
had an important conversation that I talked about on Friday
of last week in five Minute Friday, where my life
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coach said to me, isn't it just as likely that
you could surprise yourself? Isn't it just as likely that
it'll go better than you even envision and why are
you the only person that is standing in your way
with this? And oftentimes I can be such a rooted
in reality, data focused, not open kind of person.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And she said that to me, and I was like,
why not me?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And so I started to do what des Linden told
me that she did years ago, with the understanding that
does marathon is an elite marathoner and I am definitely not.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But that is besides the point.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Dez told me in an interview many times now that
she started to live her life like she was the
Boston Marathon champion. When she thought about how she would sleep,
when she thought about how she would eat, when she
thought about what she would do in the middle of
her day or what snack she was going to have,
she would literally ask herself the question, well, is this
something a Boston Marathon champion would do? And so she
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took a lined action, which I talked about on the
show from last week, to become that person. And so
I decided on Wednesday of last week that I was
all in that I was a three twenty five marathoner.
The amount of times that I not only wrote that
down but then started to ask myself the questions. I
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lost count and even at the expo, I have a
picture of it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I took a picture of it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I wrote on this piece of paper like I am
a three twenty five marathon her. And then when I
went to get the Pacete bracelet, part of me wanted
to reach for the three thirty and I said, absolutely not,
I am a three twenty five marathon her, and so
I picked up the three twenty five. Well, they actually
have paste tattoos that you put on your forearm, and
so I went with a three twenty five tattoo, and
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I fueled like a three twenty five marathoner and I
was I was in. I decided that my race strategy
was going to be to be a metronome. I in
the past have been very good at sticking with one pace.
I more than often, like more often than not, front
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load my races knowing that I am going to fade
a little bit. That's what I did at both the
Cherry Blossom and at after Dark. I ran the Nike
La half in June, and that worked for me both
of those times. So I decided to go out a
little bit faster and I'm talking like seconds here, like
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a little faster than what the average pace for a
three to twenty five marathoner would be, which is seven
minutes and forty nine seconds, and I made the choice
to run. We committed to doing the first half together
with a girlfriend and who had the exact same goal
as me, and so that was really nice to work
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together and to look for each other and navigate that
first half together. It was even more fun to be
with one another when we would see our friends at
different places. I felt really inspired by her grit and
it was good for us to check each other with
the timing.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Everything was pretty good. Now.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
There were definitely moments where we were moving a little hot,
as the kids say, and so I think there are
some miles in there where we like dip into like
seven point thirty nine. But it felt really good, and
I kept doing that thing that I did in twenty
nineteen when I was like, close your eyes for a
second and do a rate of Perceived exertion and RPE check,
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and every time I was like, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Okay, Like you've got this, You've got this.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's what I keep kept saying to myself, like if
it was easy, everyone would do it. And that's honestly
what became my mantra. Like, starting at fourteen or so,
I started to feel the effort, and I said to myself,
if it was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That's what I kept saying. And so.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
At my favorite part of the race is, without a doubt,
right after the halfway point, there's a bridge there. It's
right after twenty k and or right so the bridge
would be right before the half point. Technically right after
twenty k there's a bridge, and so many of my
friends are on the bridge, all of like my friends
that are photographers, many of them are on the bridge.
At the end of the bridge is my girlfriend that's
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going to like hand me an element bottle. And then
I hang right off the bridge and there's more friends
and more cheering, and like the energy is just electric there.
And so I'm still like riding this high from god
thirteen to seventeen. For context on the day, also the
forecast I think for or this day, the high was
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like sixty six and it was brilliant sun and going
into it that made me a little nervous because I
run quite warm, and they say that you have to
anticipate it feeling fifteen degrees warmer than it is. So
that means if the high is sixty six or sixty eight,
then we're talking that the real feel is above eighty degrees,
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which when you're out there for three and a half hours,
that can be a little tricky. So after thirteen I'm hyped.
I go from like a seven fifty mile right on
pace to a seven thirty six. Then I go back
and bump it up a bit seven forty six, seven
fifty two, seven fifty three, And at eighteen that's when
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I start to feel like, holy wow, it is warm
out and I'm warm, and I'm telling myself, I can
do this. I can do this. It is it can
be two things at once. It can be warm and
I am capable of running in the heat. And I
started to think about so many of these conversations that
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I've had with these stellar humans, and they're talking about
their best performances and the point in their life when
they realized that they were able to think of pain
as a mindset and not as a physical state, and
also push through it to a place that I mean,
it's definitely not advisable for the everyday person, but I
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remember Jesse Diggins, the cross country skier. She told me
that she learned from a young age in her career
that she was capable of quote unquote blacking out and performing.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So I'm like, if Jesse Diggins can do it, I
can do it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And then I stay in this place where I keep
saying to myself, pain is a mindset.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Pain is a mindset. Pains a mindset.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Running like that, my pace is for the next three
miles eight oh five, eight oh six, eight oh nine,
eight eleven, I'm like, Okay, it's slipping a little bit,
but like, just keep telling yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Pain is a mind I get to mile twenty two.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And the realist kicks in for me, and I am like,
if I am if I continue like this, and I
try to push through this pain as a mindset moment,
and I'm so warm and the sun is beating down
on me, and yes, like my legs are definitely starting
to feel heavy. I just kept thinking, like what if
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you go down? And this is where I do think
a little bit. The gremlin got to me. A girlfriend
that was tracking me from Connecticut. Hey, Rach She called me,
and I just start like bawling and I answer it
like I feel the vibration on my wrist and I
wore the Bow's open ear headphones, so I can't tell
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the headphones to pick up the call. So I consciously
pick up my phone from my pocket and click answer,
and I can't hear her, but I just start bawling.
And I know that she knows that I am in
the pain Cave because she's watching the graph like Dip
at home. She's calling to like inspire me, and I'm like,
I'm okay, and I just like kept repeating that, like
I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. And then when I
ran the Nike After Dark Half, I was with my
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girlfriend Steph, who's literally like a month from giving birth
right now. She was pregnant when we ran the half,
and she is so speedy and so motivating. And a
mile later after I got off the phone with Rachel,
I was like, I need to talk to stuff. So
I like, I'm running, but mind you, like, I'm still
clicking away here, I'm still forward as a pace, and
I call stuff. I can't even hear stuff, but I'm
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like Steph telling me something good, like I'm not well,
I'm okay, I'm okay. So what happens ultimately is that
slips a little bit more, and I go eight thirty three,
eight thirty nine, eight fifty five, and then at mile
twenty four I go back to you get to pains
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a mindset for a second there in those two miles
where I'm so hot and I am overheating and it
is like really starting to get to me. I go
into this victim mindset for a second after I pushed
so hard to hold on and I just knew it.
I didn't come that far to only come that far.
And it sounds cheesy, but I've been saying it for
a while and I'm not going to stop saying it.
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I was going to get to that finish and I
wanted it to be something that I could be proud of.
And so basically what happened is I looked down at
my watch and I was at like the forty sixth
second of the minute, and I walked for fourteen seconds,
and I said, in fourteen seconds, it's go time. And
so I pulled over to the side, and it happened
to be like on this little small uphill. The marathon
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is completely flat basically except for a couple of very
very small.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Hills, and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I took my time and then I went, and my
paces went down again. I went eight twenty six, eight
oh five, last half mile seven forty eight, and I
am so proud of that. I kicked so hard, it
felt so hard, so hard, and I finished, and I
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was so happy that I finished, and so proud of myself,
and I was a container for both. I have so
much pride, and I was also a little disappointed the
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day before I put out into the world on zocial
that I was going to run this marathon faster six
years later than I did in twenty nineteen. I firmly
believed it, but there is there are things that are
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beyond my control, and I truly feel like I did
the best I could with what I had. I have
so much pride for how I handled those really difficult miles,
the mental gymnastics it took to keep my body moving
when I was breaking down. And I know that that
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tenacity and that grit and that determination that is so
much more important and far bigger than the two minutes
that I missed on the clock. And so I am
in this place where I'm dealing with this duality, where
I understand that it was a race of both, and
I know that that's like a really important and beautiful
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metaphor for life, and going back to the strong finish,
like what a gift. The hard finish is a gift.
I was running so well, right on track, on for
my goal, and when the heat hit and the wheels
started to fall off, my biggest win wasn't the pace
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that I was running earlier. It was the ability to
dig deep and run a fast final couple of miles
after the damage was done. That comeback is what I
take with me. That comeback shows me what I am
truly capable of when things get tough. I laugh when
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I think about the things that I was saying to myself,
comparing you know, the lessons and the beautiful takeaways that
I've had from my conversations with so many elite athletes,
and I'm like, I am not an elite athlete. I'm
not an elite athlete. It's okay. I don't want to
be one. I just want to push the boundaries of
my own potential. And a friend said to me, when
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I was talking to him about you know how the
heat got me, he ran as well. He said, you
did it, and you inspired people along the way, and
there's always so many more races, so lesson learned short memory,
move on And I'm like, okay, all.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Right, we move We move on.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You know I can also if we want to talk
about heat and adaptation, like I got really hot out there,
and when my body told me no, my mind had
to switch from pace goal to finish goal and that
required a huge mental pivot in life, like the unexpected heat.
You know, the setbacks, the hurdles, the surprises, that's what
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tests us. So the marathon is the ultimate lesson in
adaptation and mental resilience. And I showed myself on Sunday.
I reminded myself because I know this about me. I'm
not going to quit when the plan fails or when
things feel hard. That is not who I am. I
am not a quitter. And I know why I do this.
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I do this because it is an opportunity to remember
who the hell I am. And no matter what the
outcome was, on Sunday, I got to experience that we
all did. Whether you set the new American records like
Connor Mans or you were the last person to across
that finish line, there is so much beauty and grit
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and bravery and resilience, and there's just so much that
goes into it, and that is why I love running,
Like I feel as though for many people they hear
things like this and if they don't run, then maybe
you don't fully understand. But it's so much bigger than
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the act of running for me. And I'm not saying
if you are like happily married or you have children,
that you don't get to feel how.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I feel about this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
But running is just a reminder sometimes that I have
value in a society that makes me feel like, because
I am unwed and not a mother right now, that
I'm doing something completely wrong and that's real, that's so real.
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It's just a reminder for myself, like as I like
get my I act together and I just feel better
in my body and I remind myself that I have
value in worth exactly as I am, and that it's
not something that I should have to go run a
marathon to remind myself. But sometimes I do feel like
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these opportunities are just one big.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Kick in the butt that you are so.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Good, am and I am so good five minutes, two minutes, whatever,
many minutes aside, I'm so good for showing up and
doing it in the first place. I do want to
talk a little bit about the power of the pivot.
Like I said, as it started to get hard, I
really did have to adjust my goal and my mindset
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a bit mid race.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And so.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
My big piece of advice from this marathon is that, yes,
it's okay to be optimistic and step into that affirmed action,
but in the moment of the pivot, it's so beautiful
if you have the tenacity or maybe you can be
brave enough to be brutally honest with yourself in the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So like around mile.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Eighteen nineteen twenty, I had to stop trying to force
this pace that I wanted and started running the pace
that I could sustain to finish strong. If you're chasing
a goal and the plan falls apart, you don't quit.
You just got a pivot. You don't quit. I enunciate this,
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you just have to pitot. So going back to that
place of both, I mean, that's still where I'm living in.
I have so much to be proud of. I feel
so solid, and I'm already kind of like what's next.
So that's a question that's in my DMS right now.
So I don't know what's next at the moment. I
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would like I will be at everyone's marathon in November.
I'm going to be hosting and hanging out with the
crew and Scottsdale. Part of me wouldn't mind running me
after Dark half in London in November. I kind of
have my eye on it. I'm thinking about it. I'm
I'm about it with a girlfriend right now. I don't
know what my next marathon will be. I don't have
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any desire firstpring marathon. I do really love the marathon distance,
and I anticipate that I'll keep doing it, like I
am not done with this yet, and not even from
like I'm not done with this yet because I want
like a certain goal or thing again.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It's really about the journey for me and I enjoy
it so much.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
But I believe that I could be talked into Sydney
next year. I've never been to Australia and that could
be a really fun thing for me. But no big
goal race or thing on the radar right now, and
I'm very much okay with that. But don't be surprised
if you see me in London in November. I do
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want to go back to the socials because I did
put up a questions box, and there's some that are
still coming in and I wanted to answer them if
I can.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
What was your fueling strategy for the race? Okay? Good one.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I did a gel every five k ish and then
just hydrated as much as possible. When I hit like
that rough patch and got so hot at mile twenty,
I decided that I or twenty two.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I've lost all concept of what happened in this marathon.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I had an Element packet in my pocket and I
ripped it open and just like poured half of it
into my mouth because I felt like I was like
losing all the fluid in my body.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know what that did, but it felt good
when I did it, So maybe testing salt packets is
in my future. But I did drink two bottles of
Element on the course in addition to the Gatorade. Basically
at every single water station, someone asks me congrats on
the race, curious what the hours after the race looked like.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
For your recovery. I remember once I asked does Lund
in this?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I think it was in our marathon prep episode last year,
and she like totally went into like pr spokes mode
and she said like.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You know, if you can walk a little bit, or
like get in an ice bath.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And I looked at her like I stared at her
blank and I was like, do you get in an
ice bath after a marathon?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
She goes absolutely not. I'm like, okay, So I'm with
Dez on this.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I am more like, let's celebrate the accomplishment, but my
recovery after it was more like about emotional recovery. I
was inundated on my phone and I needed to just
absorb what had happened. So I got back to my
I biked back to my hotel because that was the
easiest way to get around, and I took a shower
and like took an hour and just had some me time,
(40:43):
called my mom, processed a bit, and then went to
go meet my run club at a bar where I
had some sippies and some bites, and then I had
the most lovely meal with three of my friends afterward
at this little like French brasserie.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I'm totally saying that wrong. Maybe I don't know a
most wonderful meal there.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
And then I went back to my hotel and got
my act together and then went to the three Run
two that's a Run club in Chicago. They have a
big after party every year, and so I went to
their after party. But in the since the day of
celebrations that we did the damn thing, I've used my
Normatech boots more like downtime. I like laid in bed
(41:28):
until ten am the day after the marathon, that is
like very unlike me, but slowly moved in like walked
around a bit to get in some movement and try
to flush what's going on in my legs. I got
a massage on Monday, lots of hydration and just commemorating
it with good friends. I went to get my first
(41:48):
slice of deep dish ever at Pea Quads, and then
at night had a burger at Auschival, which was so good,
so good, And I actually stayed in Chicago when NEXTRA day,
which I don't tip it do after a marathon, and
I think that was really good for me before flying.
Other questions here, did you follow a group or go
(42:09):
on it on your own? So, like I said, I
ran with my friend. Her name's Amani. We tried to
find a three twenty five group but like could not
find a sign or get to a sign within our corral,
and so when we went out, it really just became
on us to keep each other honest with the pace
that we are running. I think that could have helped
me if we I believe we both agree on that.
It could have been nice to be with the pace group,
(42:30):
but I have never run with one before, and I
was down for it to either be just her and
I or with the pace group. And that's just kind
of how it shook out. What did you think about
when the going got tough? So, I mean I talked
a lot about this, embracing the pivot, understanding that you
might need to switch from a pace goal to a
finished goal, really having a good ability to zoom out
(42:50):
and think of this as a season of effort like
I spoke about before, which I think is so important.
I'm also really going back to those mantras that I
would saying if it was if it was easy, everybody
would do it, keep pushing and forward forward as possible.
Like I just kept going to those in my head.
(43:12):
Anything you do differently, Nah, I did the best I
could with what I have. I'm proud of the training,
I'm proud of the effort. I'm proud of all of it.
I believe that the universe is conspiring in your favor
at all times, and so sometimes that's a hard word
pill to swallow when it doesn't go as you had hoped.
But I know that I am better for what happened
on Sunday, And often what I know to be true
(43:35):
is that these difficult moments are bigger teachers than our
highest ones, and so as beautiful as it could have
been to get three twenty five or sub three twenty
eight oh eight or sub three thirty the A, B,
and C goals, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I really am good. I mean that whole wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Pre race dinner in Chicago, I had a personal pizza
from my hotel. Will I be doing Sydney, I would
love to. Let's talk talk about it. Running watch recommendations.
I ran with a Garmin Forerunner. There's a new Apple
Watch Ultra. While speaking, I've been doing this for too long.
It's time for me to wrap this. There's a new
Apple Watch Ultra that I'm very excited about. But I
(44:12):
wear a Garmin Forerunner and my last watch was the
Garman Epics, and I loved my Epics. Someone asks, what
was your first marathon time? And how has your relationship
with the times changed over the years, there have been
times in my life.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I will say this as well.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I have not always been someone that's trying to run
a faster time at every marathon. In fact, there was
like a three year period where I was really struggling
with planter fasciitis. If you've been here for a minute,
if you know, you know, I have just wanted to
finish marathons, and that has been the only goal, especially
with a lot of the international marathons in Tokyo. Like
I had never been to Japan. I was there strictly
(44:50):
for vibes. Like strictly, I was out until like two
or three in the morning three days before the marathon,
and that.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Was by choice.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I was going there to like really embrace the entire experience,
Whereas you know, I went into Chicago with a specific goal.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
So I think that.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
What's hard right now with the way that some folks
talk is if it's not a pr then like it's
not it's not enough or it's not good enough. Like
you get to decide what this means to you, what
it is that you want, and don't set your goals
based on what other people make you feel like you
should do. I'm sitting here saying that as like so
many people told me the go three twenty five, I
(45:30):
don't regret going for it. I don't regret going for
the moonshot goal of anything, Like hell yeah, and how
special is it? I keep coming back to this. This
was like really hitting me the night before the marathon.
It is insane to me that I had every reason
to believe that I was capable of running twenty six
point two miles at a seven forty nine piece Like
(45:53):
that in itself is the biggest win. That is wild
to me, as someone who when she started running not
run a single mile faster than fifteen minutes. To show
up on Sunday and have the tenacity and grit to
say I can do twenty six point two of these
miles at seven forty nine, that, in itself, I couldn't
(46:16):
ask for anything more. Like, I am so proud of
me for that. That is the essence of hard work.
That is the essence of the opportunity cost that has
gone in over years here to get.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To this place. And I'm I'm just I'm really proud
of that. I'm really really proud of that.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Oh man, I think I've answered most of the questions here,
and I've been yapping your ear off for a minute
now to everyone near and far who supported me on
this particular journey. I don't have the words to tell
you how much it means to me, but yeah, so
much love and support on the course and from the
hurdle community. And I saw so many of you on
(46:57):
the streets that came up to me, and I will
say that, Uh, you know, someone said something to me
really valuable this morning. He said, well, he asked, He said,
do you ever do live events or stuff at moments
like this, because he was with me when one of
the girls came up to introduce herself and I was like, actually,
like I usually do, but this weekend I didn't, and
he like kind of challenged that. I said to him,
(47:18):
like I wanted to conserve my energy, like there can
be like a lot that goes into moments like this,
and he said, but isn't there.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
A lot that you gain from it? And that is
so true.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
And something I'm working on personally is really just getting
to this place where like I allow and enable people
to show up for me more. And so I do
want to say genuinely like thank you to all of you,
and I needed to hear what he had to say.
I needed that reframe because I do know that I
am better like with all of you.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I am.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's so special to me and it fills up my
cup and so to look at it as an energy
drain when I know that it is an energy faucet.
It's just like setting up the right set of circumstances
so that it's good for all of us. So I
promise you there's good stuff coming from New York. Do
you not worry if you're coming to town. We're gonna
We're gonna hang out. We're gonna have a good time.
(48:09):
I don't know if I rambled enough in this episode,
but it took you fifty two minutes to get here.
So thank you, Chicago. You're wonderful. I'm happy to be home.
Your girl is gonna Maybe I told myself I was
gonna have any wine this week now that I'm back home,
but maybe just one more glass of wine and have
(48:30):
some salt bath and a little Netflix movie on my
iPad and call it a day. Chicago, You're so special.
Thanks for reminding me who the hell I am. And
to all of you, just keep doing what you're doing.
We all got goals to chase, things to do, and
each other to support along the way. Another hurdle conquered.
Catch you guys next time
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