September 22, 2025 • 24 mins
Your favorite gay couple is back to talk about the Real Housewives of Orange County where Tamra and Shannon struggle to move forward in their rocky friendship, while Gina opens up about drama with Travis' ex. Heather draws a surprising comparison between Tamra and her father. Things heat up when a tipsy Gretchen drops a bomb about Tamra’s alleged affair—Slade confirms it, sending shockwaves through the group. Meanwhile, Heather and Emily confront Gretchen about her and Slade’s financial woes, and Gretchen scrambles to save face.
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Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott and I'm Jack and we just watched episode of The Real
Housewives of Orange County. Or Temecula?
Or Beverly Hill. Beverly, yes, but not Beverly
Hill. But that was a good show.
I enjoyed this episode. It wasn't, you know, I'm
enjoying. Parts of it and parts of it were
watching than others. Yeah, yeah.
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For those of you just joining usthough, I forgot to mention
this, I because I've been camping for the last few days.
I haven't listened to our crossover episode with Bestie
Approved, So I was. Like I listened to the first
half and I was good. Well, not the first half.
Like I think part of it, Yeah, Iwas busy working yesterday.
Yeah, I see. I need some time to like
actually sit down with it. I'm just got back from camping
and so I'm just kind of a littleout of it today and trying to
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settle back in. Because it's Saturday, Yeah.
It's not. It's not Thursday.
It's not. Thursday and I post OC so we're
just catching up because you were gone Thursday and Friday.
Yeah, I'm telling you, you were gone because you don't.
Remember. I don't remember.
Yeah, no, I totally actually do remember this time you make it
seem. What are you trying to say?
That I'm an alcoholic. Like, like my father, but don't
talk about my father. You know, so that whole thing,
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yeah, I don't, I don't feel likeTamara was trying to get.
Like. Anything shady, I think if
anything can because Shannon kind of made mention that like
she's gone through this and she's had a, you know, had a
rough childhood for XY and ZI think that is stuff that she
probably had told Tamara about in the past and Tamara was just
trying to be supportive of. But then I guess bringing up
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that whatever his face is drank a lot.
I. Was saying it's Dan the man,
that's that it's something showing the.
Machine, the machine, yes, yeah.So I can see bringing up on
camera was a little bit, you know, shady of sorts.
But it was shady, but it didn't need to happen.
I will say, OK, I love this whole thing.
I, if I was if I was Tamara, I wouldn't have said anything
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about the dad. I would just listen to this shit
and tell her story, which was very, you know, sad about, you
know, her parents breaking up and whatnot.
I would just let her tell the story.
Don't add anything. Don't try to relate.
I think the one thing that Jen said it did make sense was that
Tamra is like someone's like, hey, hey, hey, and like the
person is not interested. So after a while, you said to
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like, sit back and be like, not try so much, right?
You know, I think she's tried enough.
I think she's apologized. I think she's taking
accountability. Shannon's not open to receive
it, so just let it be and try towork around her.
I liked Jen's analogy for sure. That it's like Tamara's like a
dude trying to pick up on him who doesn't want to be picked
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up. Like, yeah, I get it.
I know you want to be all exciting, but I just want to
cook my little thing over here for breakfast.
Leave me alone. Right, like I'm trying to make
my hash brown muffin, right? He's like, I don't want to
engage. And you're over here tat calling
me of sorts of stuff so. Basically so yeah, there's just
like, I mean, the recap of the relationship is like it's not
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going anywhere. And I think they just like just
stop. I I was fine with it.
Not I feel like they both last season like ended in a place of
like we're OK, but like this isn't going to go any further.
So I know camera's trying to like, you know, resolve, but
it's not resolving. So hopefully from here on should
just be like, let's keep it above surface like when Gina
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said, Gina said, like I don't orsomeone is relaying with Gina
said I don't tell you my deep dark secrets of Tamara.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
I wouldn't tell anybody on a reality show like deepest,
darkest secrets. But I think more said like,
let's keep this surface. Yeah, we're having fun.
We can relate about certain things, but we don't need to go
like into the trenches, right? Because you're like, we are
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girls on a reality show together.
Let's. But I mean, Even so, like with
many regular friendships, like you have your friends that you
would actually tell stuff to andthen you have some friends,
you're like, no, we're not like that exactly.
We're fun time. We have a fun time and that's
it. Right.
You're not capable of, you know,in digesting any of my, yeah,
deep personal information. I don't and I don't get with
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that. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I was.
It's so true that Shannon wasn'tmore irked by Gina because Gina
kept coming, not coming at her. But just like, I'm concerned.
I have concern. And I'll be like, what are you
trying to say? Like, do you kind of like go off
the deep? End.
Basically they say that they're worried about her becoming an
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old lonely dog. Like, yeah, yeah, dog, woman,
alcoholic. Yeah, just like talking to her
dog and she's nothing else and she's going to like self harm.
Like I don't know what they weretrying.
To like, I mean, yeah, they weremaking it seem like there was
something dangerous about. She has loneliness.
Rights that kind like it's the first sign of like, I don't
think she's depressed and they give me what she is.
She isn't sure of that. So she's in therapy.
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Like just maybe you find one. For multiple times a week, mind
you, multiple times a week that clear as if to sell.
You know the way it works is yougo more than once.
That's what that's what Shannon was saying.
OK, that could've been a Dang, you know, where is there with
that? When do we say And I go multiple
times. I think it was interesting when
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when Shannon said my therapist didn't want me to come.
Oh, yeah. Like, so why was she like, but
it's my work thing. I have to come or could she be
like, I went up for my therapist.
I can't go on this Temecula tripto Tamara.
Well then they all the alternative was to hang out with
Gretchen and Emily and Heather then and right, I guess that
would have been a fun time for. To stay home with Archie called
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a day, That's her happy place. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't think I
don't think it's cool of all thewomen to be all like to be.
Oh, poor Shannon. She just stays at home with her
dog and you know, it's like. But she's so lonely.
She's not a man. What if that's what she wants to
do? Right after having so many bad
relationships in a row, I think you shouldn't.
Yes, ultimately it'd be great ifshe has companion, companion if
she wants that. But if she's in a place where
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she's like, I just want to do mysudoku and watch TV and hang out
with my dog, then let her have that.
Unless they're seeing what we think of something we're not
seeing and that she is actually sad.
But if she's sitting at home going like oh I did that sudoku
in 3rd and this is 90 seconds, I'm good, she's rating all of
her sudoku. I am not professed sudoku.
I don't know how you. Would love Sudoku.
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Yeah, you would love it. Simply go on the math.
It's no, no math involved, just the play.
You'd see the numbers. It's all just but the numbers.
Nothing adds up to anything. You can only use one or zero
through 9 in each row or each column.
And then you figure out and anyway, we'll, we'll do some
stuff there. OK.
It's a fun time. I used to do, I had a Sudoku de
puzzle on my desk at work and they were varying degrees of
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difficulty, but I used to do 1 every morning before I started
work because it would kind of turn my brain on.
Other times it would just piss me off because I'm like a
goddamn Sudoku and I just throw it to the ground because it was
too complicated. Because there's some that just
aren't fun because they make youlike figure out like, oh, well,
this number could be this or that.
And I'm like, I don't want to play that.
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I want to play the nice ones where it's easy to fall and
plays like, well that can't be a7 because that's A7.
I not the same thing but I have this game on my on my phone
where it's like you see the differences and you're trying to
like point out the difference inlike 2 pictures.
Highlights on your phone. Basically, yeah.
It's like this is sad face, thisis happy face.
Like that's a difference. You have to point out like 12 or
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13 differences and then. I love, I love, man, good old
adult highlights. Yeah, it's good.
I used to play. I used to play one of those Find
It games on my iPad back when I used it a lot.
But then I found that they were doing like, they were just
changing the contrast of an image.
So they're like, there was a bitlike, where is it?
You can barely see a line there.And I was like, oh, screw that.
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I was like into paying to have like hints for the game.
And I'm like, no, not playing this game anymore where they're
like hiding things in plain sight by making them invisible.
You literally are like, I'm not playing this game.
Yeah, I'm. Literally, I said not doing it.
Not doing it at all. Not stay.
So. That was just a Michael litter
and then that show like back andforth driving Gina and Jen crazy
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with back and forth. I think Jen and and even if
she's like smacker in her professionals, Jen is on a good
surface level OK with with Tamara.
Gina's totally fine. She talked about Travis and all
that old. Stories seems that Jenna Jen
though is trying to be like findany excuse to the fact that she
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was like I don't know Gina. I think that could have been a
dig what Tamara said about her father.
Like it's Tamara, please, you know, and.
You're right. OK, I take that back.
Yeah, Jenna's suddenly. She really wants to, but I think
then she hears Tamara's responseto like, OK, maybe, maybe not.
Which sort of and funny, like ifeverybody, if the other Gina and
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Shannon were like, I am totally cool with Tamara, we're all
right, we're gonna be like crap now I'm right.
Doesn't like that, right? So whatever.
So meanwhile, in Beverly Hills, Heather Dubrow takes them from.
Heather Dubrow audition for RealHouse.
It's about Yeah and. They go to the Abbey.
I don't know how I feel about the Morrissey were having on a
Wednesday at 2:00 at like 8:00 PM.
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Morrissey went to the Abbey. Like, were they going to go to
like, what's what else is there?The mother lode, isn't that one
of them it? Is.
Like a Mickey's, of course they go to the FBI.
Get it? What?
Why was, why wasn't Oh God, Sutton there with all her?
Friends. Oh my gosh.
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And Sutton now they're her friends.
They should crossover. Yeah, I.
Sounds like I don't do what I was saying.
I don't mind and there's a lot of question comes up about women
in gay spaces and whether or notthat's, you know, a welcome
thing or not. And I'm a fine, I'm fine, I'm
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fine with it. Not that like I'm the end all be
all judge of whether. It depends on the women, the
group, the. Day of the week.
Day of the week and also what are you doing there?
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
I think in this context because it wasn't already crowded and
they weren't taking up space of other people, right?
I think it's cool have them let them have their fun.
You know, Emily can go ahead andride the go go boy.
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It's. Just weird.
This is not Chippendales like when they're like making a ray
and I'm like, these are go go boys.
You put the money down, the shorts you don't like make it
right. Yeah, don't objectify them like
that. No.
Gosh, no. No.
And then I think my other problem that I I can't
sugarcoat. I don't.
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And Gretchen's even creepier when she's having fun, like when
she's all loud. Yeah, I'm just.
I can. I can't.
And then like you mentioned it, like at one point she sounded
like she was acting drunk, like she had something to drink, but
it sounded like she was definitely amping it up.
I think it's so she could be like, I don't know what I was
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saying. I was drunk, you guys.
I don't normally drink like that.
It just seemed like too like what you would see on a sitcom.
Like no, I'm super drunk and I'mlike having a random pillow
fight and I'm being loopy. Or at least or that's her purse.
Although now if I would, if I think bats are naked wasted,
that's how she acted too. So maybe that's just how she was
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drunk, man. Maybe because not drunk?
But drunk, Drunk and then was was Fireball involved in Naked
Waste? Is that why they kept bringing
up Fireball? Or they just no, it was like we
she had many different drinks. OK, I I watched it, rewatched it
recently. It was like wine, Jimmy.
It was. I think that's probably what did
her in, like the mixing of alcohols.
Right, Right. Yeah.
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And the mixing of the roofies. There were no roofies.
I don't. Know allegedly.
Cut it out. So yeah, it was just a little
weird to watch. And then yeah, how she again,
how she brought up this whole Tamra trying to sing a song like
track. I think it was, you know, this
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smell was not set up. It was like, oh, you know, da,
da, da, my song. I know I do a song.
Oh, and then, but nobody was asking for this.
As Ryan points out later, nobody.
There's naturally had a conversation about her and her
music. And that goes from, well, you
know, Tamra did a song and she sounded like a drowned rat.
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How does that sound? OK, yeah.
Where did that come from? Oh, and by the way, she's she's
in the studio. She was screwing.
Beeps out the name, but someone Emily knows of because she's
Gen. X.
Yeah. Emily is your age.
I mean technically I'm you're Gen.
X too. I am.
Yeah, I am, yeah. But we're the very tail end of
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Jerry until like I I again, I like, I'm more, I like
considering myself Gen. Y.
But you know, it's not actually a Gen. because I'm between Gen.,
you know, I'm not millennial, but I'm all you know.
Definitely, definitely. Not millennial but I'm
definitely not Gen. X.
My brother, my brother qualifiesas Gen.
X and he's born in like 1965 or something so.
Six months. I'm really like Portia, once
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sick, she's like, I think 801981that she's in the bowl of
millennial. And I was like, is that
millennial? I don't know.
I guess so, yeah. I don't know he is anyway.
Vance. I'm curious about who this
person is. I like how much that it's
someone that at least if we'd heard their name.
We wouldn't know they. Are that we know who they are,
but it's also somewhat obscure enough that like Emily would
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say, well, I'm of a certain age,so I know that person, whereas
you might say it to someone younger and they'd be like,
who's that right. So it makes me think like, did
did she like? And it was like big enough.
They had like both bleep and like.
Not throw their mouth, yeah. Yeah, Gretchen's mouth.
So she would do with her filters.
Does it look like it was? I was trying to figure out
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whether it was one name or two names.
It sound like from a group, maybe she said the name, but I
think when Emily retooled and they bleeped her and it's like
so and so. So I'm like, are we talking
about Backstreet Boys? Are we talking about **NSYNC 98°
we can go? On and on.
No, I don't think. I think that's not particularly
Gen. X.
Or well, OK, let's OK, you're right.
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And you know what? OK, let's, let's do a little a
little sleuth, Fletcher on this.Yeah.
It would have been in the early 2000s because, like, Tamara was
on the show at the time. So it would have been probably.
Yeah. So when if someone's Gen.
X and it's probably an 80s person, like in the Bon Jovi
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realm raps, right. I wish we could actually hear
the song so we'd know like, the kind of.
Oh, like. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's probably a good poppy. So maybe not like a rocker, more
like a Tears For Fears. Is that too?
Long Oh, that's no, that's not. That's too poppy though, and too
alt alt poppy I I and in my head, I don't know why.
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I feel like it's some sort of classic rock sort of guy.
Like Michael Bolton. That's not classic rock,
sweetheart. That is mom.
OK, That is mom. Pop my mom.
Listen to Michael Bolton. We listen to Michael.
And I did like me so, Michael. That was like, how am I just
living without you? Yeah, for him.
But yeah, I'm curious to know who would be.
And I know that that in it's complete BS for like, well, that
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was Slade's doing. And also, Slade got his own
confessional wacky. It's like John Jansen getting
his own professional last year. We don't need that.
Yeah, it won't need that. Like it ran the pop up his doofy
ass face. Like, you know, I hate him, bro.
Or what he said basically like. It was like, I'm not gonna,
yeah, I'm not gonna talk about Tamara for the sake of talking
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about her. But talking about her, like you
and Alexis, you and Gretchen would not be on this show if
Tamara was not. So I do, I do wonder how much of
A setup it was the next day for Emily and Heather to be asking.
So are you guys going to get married?
How do you hold your finances that.
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Was some good grilling. It was and I, I don't know, I.
And the flashback, basically, she can't say it's not true
because she said it in this flashback that she does not want
to incur Slade's financial debt at the time and still up this
time is about him, you know, paying child support.
And she's very, very like careful about what she's saying
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about this as. Opposed to 2012, right?
It's more like I want to be on my own.
Like I'm thinking she's thinkingfrom like a feminist standpoint
of be like, I don't want a man to ever have control of me.
I'm going to have my own finance.
It's my own house, da da, da. But what is he contributing and
why are you not? Group, right, coming again, like
in that common sense or that common sense of the word of what
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business of theirs is it? It's not.
And they're not trying to make it their business.
They're just wanting to know, curiously, how it works.
I love my other says it's not mybusiness, but it doesn't make
sense to me, right, right. And especially when you add on
the layer of Jesus and how religious she is now.
And so you would think you'd want to, you know, have your
household together like mommy and daddy are married, whatever
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that little bullshit of like we were married by an organic
minister in our own level ceremony.
You're not married. We're married.
We got an official. Yeah, when she when she says
that like marriage is only paper, I just want to be like,
oh, so then you probably have noproblem with gay marriage
getting married done, so that's doesn't matter to you.
And that your group you're associated with trying to take
that right, right, right from us, yeah, so.
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I'd be curious to hear how that how that goes.
But no, I mean, it did make me wonder because we've also been
really curious, like what what happened between Emily and
Tamara. Like last season, they seemed
pretty tight with each other andthen now all of a sudden she's
buddy buddy Emily's like up withGretchen.
But then this episode a little bit, if she was like also just
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trying to kind of get back at her a little bit for Tamara, I
couldn't tell. I think it was more increasing
because like she's pointing out like this whole or really riding
heartless narrative of Heather being afraid.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, Tamara can't
really have friends. She's very it's only about all
about strategy and playing chess, which, yeah, that's not.
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I mean, it's true because even Tamara will say Tamara said this
episode. I don't like people, Tamara said
on 2 TS. Like, I put walls up or even on
the show, but I put walls up. I'm very defensive.
That's just who I am growing up.And, you know, she's putting up
balls. So yeah, maybe it's probably
hard for her to have a lot of good close friends.
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And you're not really helping the point, Emily, like saying
pointing out these things, but. I like that at least now there's
a little bit more of the other side of like Emily is trying to
like bring out like bull it and.That's good.
I like I like to say, yeah, it'sgood that she's not like I'm
leading on one side right. And I think yes to like say to
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Gretchen, you know, like really No, it's like from the grilling
the whole like you started this,right?
You just like we were sitting here minor in business and you
enslaved just like started like word vomiting all these things
about camera having an affair with like this random pop star
rock star, whoever. And it was recorded and like,
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oh, there's audio, but we don't have the audio, but like we
heard the audio and you know, just Gretchen be like, oh, I'm
in trouble. Yeah, you are in trouble because
you're starting shit. Uh huh.
Termo's willing to go forward with you and you are going
backward and then. She's like, I hope you guys
still bring this up, but I know you're going to.
Well, yeah, of course. That's on camera.
Yeah. Chick.
Like what do you think? I wish I had a better knowledge
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of 80's rock musicians because then every time we mention this
Tamra thing, I can be like, Oh yeah, then Tamra and Sting they
were sitting in. Excess.
Tamra and Tamra and Steve Perry.Could be it could be.
It wouldn't be he was. He was long not involved with
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Journey by the time. Yeah, but but that's frilled
around. But like, it doesn't have to be
like him. Like he could have been
producing the track. True.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah.
God help us if Steve Perry had to produce Tamara Judges music
track. Because like, I want to know
more of this back story. I want Tamara to explain like
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why was she trying to record a song just because she was on
Housewives? Yeah, probably.
It doesn't make any sense going back a second to the Heather of
it all that conversation, which I wish Tamara had like paused.
And actually when they showed the flashback of Heather saying
you remind me of my father. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Tamra just dismissed it. Like, again, Tammy needs to shut
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up sometimes and like, listen more to people because Heather
Ware told her you remind me of my father because of XY and Z
and said she had the conversation with Emily and
Gretchen where it would have been more meaningful, right.
With Tamra, Right. So yeah.
But I mean, that's kind of Heather's point though, and
everyone's point is that they have certain conversations with
cameras. Yeah, it's weird.
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It's like, because it's like I put walls up because I'm afraid
of being heard. But then you're heard.
Then it gets to ammunition for putting the balls up.
But if you never put the balls down, then you can't ever be
true friends and it's easy for you to flip on something.
Never ending cycle. Exactly.
She's chasing her tails sometimes.
So, yeah, yeah. Well, next week, because that
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looks like it's gonna be good. Next week is like the Gretchen
has that. Wonderful braided ponytail thing
going on. And a poof and a I know it's
very like 18th century, like, you know, like she should have a
collar up to here like a lady. I don't.
Know now when you give someone with a finger, do you have a
thumb outboard? No, yeah, I knew.
(21:45):
I just did. Because son, yeah, that's.
What I would do like before I control.
I would always do the thumb out.See that?
Oh yeah. Yeah, of this, but my I have a
friend he would always just do and he could could collapse his
index fingers. So when he gave the finger like
they were just it was just his middle finger sticking up, but
he would purposely keep his thumb in because he'd said it
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just would do sheer that way. But yeah, just be honest.
I in front of me once because I could only I had to hold the
fingers down and let's look at what you do with my left hand
like that. Well.
I have four older brothers. I learned how to do it with both
hands just hey guys, flip the bird could also hit you in the
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nose, the spine of a TV Guide. Like well trained with that.
Two guys are so thin nowadays and like, they're not, I know.
They have no binding to speak. Yeah, exactly like, oh, you can
make this. Sample.
Yeah. Oh, you.
Don't meet the staple right in the nose.
Owie. Yeah, no, those, those old TV
guides especially, it was like the fall preview you.
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Get. You get someone crack right and
then right between the eyes is one of those.
And it was such a satisfying impact noise too.
This spin on just whack right between their eyes.
Oh so good and I'm the youngest I'm the youngest brother and I
had that skill don't don't be thinking that I was picking on
my old my younger brothers they're my older brother yeah
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picking on them you're. Just fighting for survival.
Yes, exactly. It's Kitty.
You don't need to drink. Don't go to the bar, Kitty.
Why are you in the bar? Yeah, I'm gonna feed her.
Yeah. Well, this is good episode.
Yeah. We talk about everybody.
Yeah, I'm poor Katie. Oh man, we just talk about her.
Gina had a decent confessional. That was a great color on her.
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Yeah. And her hair was blown out very
nicely. Yeah.
It was one of her best looks. She definitely redeemed herself
from like last year's I think Sunny even.
Situation and as much as we keepthinking we're going to see one
of Emily's nipples, we haven't yet.
So that's that's another one of our that's.
Why I'm wearing that dress? I'm like, am I seeing Ariel a
lot? Yeah.
Is there going to be like a little top of the nip slip?
(23:52):
Yes, and it's like top of the morning but your nipple.
All right, till next, until nexttime.
Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott and I'm Jack and we just watched episode of The Real
Housewives of Orange County. Or Temecula?
Or Beverly Hill. Beverly, yes, but not Beverly
Hill. But that was a good show.
I enjoyed this episode. It wasn't, you know, I'm
enjoying. Parts of it and parts of it were
watching than others. Yeah, yeah.
(00:36):
For those of you just joining usthough, I forgot to mention
this, I because I've been camping for the last few days.
I haven't listened to our crossover episode with Bestie
Approved, So I was. Like I listened to the first
half and I was good. Well, not the first half.
Like I think part of it, Yeah, Iwas busy working yesterday.
Yeah, I see. I need some time to like
actually sit down with it. I'm just got back from camping
and so I'm just kind of a littleout of it today and trying to
(00:58):
settle back in. Because it's Saturday, Yeah.
It's not. It's not Thursday.
It's not. Thursday and I post OC so we're
just catching up because you were gone Thursday and Friday.
Yeah, I'm telling you, you were gone because you don't.
Remember. I don't remember.
Yeah, no, I totally actually do remember this time you make it
seem. What are you trying to say?
That I'm an alcoholic. Like, like my father, but don't
talk about my father. You know, so that whole thing,
(01:21):
yeah, I don't, I don't feel likeTamara was trying to get.
Like. Anything shady, I think if
anything can because Shannon kind of made mention that like
she's gone through this and she's had a, you know, had a
rough childhood for XY and ZI think that is stuff that she
probably had told Tamara about in the past and Tamara was just
trying to be supportive of. But then I guess bringing up
(01:44):
that whatever his face is drank a lot.
I. Was saying it's Dan the man,
that's that it's something showing the.
Machine, the machine, yes, yeah.So I can see bringing up on
camera was a little bit, you know, shady of sorts.
But it was shady, but it didn't need to happen.
I will say, OK, I love this whole thing.
I, if I was if I was Tamara, I wouldn't have said anything
(02:05):
about the dad. I would just listen to this shit
and tell her story, which was very, you know, sad about, you
know, her parents breaking up and whatnot.
I would just let her tell the story.
Don't add anything. Don't try to relate.
I think the one thing that Jen said it did make sense was that
Tamra is like someone's like, hey, hey, hey, and like the
person is not interested. So after a while, you said to
(02:26):
like, sit back and be like, not try so much, right?
You know, I think she's tried enough.
I think she's apologized. I think she's taking
accountability. Shannon's not open to receive
it, so just let it be and try towork around her.
I liked Jen's analogy for sure. That it's like Tamara's like a
dude trying to pick up on him who doesn't want to be picked
(02:48):
up. Like, yeah, I get it.
I know you want to be all exciting, but I just want to
cook my little thing over here for breakfast.
Leave me alone. Right, like I'm trying to make
my hash brown muffin, right? He's like, I don't want to
engage. And you're over here tat calling
me of sorts of stuff so. Basically so yeah, there's just
like, I mean, the recap of the relationship is like it's not
(03:09):
going anywhere. And I think they just like just
stop. I I was fine with it.
Not I feel like they both last season like ended in a place of
like we're OK, but like this isn't going to go any further.
So I know camera's trying to like, you know, resolve, but
it's not resolving. So hopefully from here on should
just be like, let's keep it above surface like when Gina
(03:32):
said, Gina said, like I don't orsomeone is relaying with Gina
said I don't tell you my deep dark secrets of Tamara.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
I wouldn't tell anybody on a reality show like deepest,
darkest secrets. But I think more said like,
let's keep this surface. Yeah, we're having fun.
We can relate about certain things, but we don't need to go
like into the trenches, right? Because you're like, we are
(03:56):
girls on a reality show together.
Let's. But I mean, Even so, like with
many regular friendships, like you have your friends that you
would actually tell stuff to andthen you have some friends,
you're like, no, we're not like that exactly.
We're fun time. We have a fun time and that's
it. Right.
You're not capable of, you know,in digesting any of my, yeah,
deep personal information. I don't and I don't get with
(04:17):
that. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I was.
It's so true that Shannon wasn'tmore irked by Gina because Gina
kept coming, not coming at her. But just like, I'm concerned.
I have concern. And I'll be like, what are you
trying to say? Like, do you kind of like go off
the deep? End.
Basically they say that they're worried about her becoming an
(04:38):
old lonely dog. Like, yeah, yeah, dog, woman,
alcoholic. Yeah, just like talking to her
dog and she's nothing else and she's going to like self harm.
Like I don't know what they weretrying.
To like, I mean, yeah, they weremaking it seem like there was
something dangerous about. She has loneliness.
Rights that kind like it's the first sign of like, I don't
think she's depressed and they give me what she is.
She isn't sure of that. So she's in therapy.
(05:01):
Like just maybe you find one. For multiple times a week, mind
you, multiple times a week that clear as if to sell.
You know the way it works is yougo more than once.
That's what that's what Shannon was saying.
OK, that could've been a Dang, you know, where is there with
that? When do we say And I go multiple
times. I think it was interesting when
(05:21):
when Shannon said my therapist didn't want me to come.
Oh, yeah. Like, so why was she like, but
it's my work thing. I have to come or could she be
like, I went up for my therapist.
I can't go on this Temecula tripto Tamara.
Well then they all the alternative was to hang out with
Gretchen and Emily and Heather then and right, I guess that
would have been a fun time for. To stay home with Archie called
(05:42):
a day, That's her happy place. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't think I
don't think it's cool of all thewomen to be all like to be.
Oh, poor Shannon. She just stays at home with her
dog and you know, it's like. But she's so lonely.
She's not a man. What if that's what she wants to
do? Right after having so many bad
relationships in a row, I think you shouldn't.
Yes, ultimately it'd be great ifshe has companion, companion if
she wants that. But if she's in a place where
(06:04):
she's like, I just want to do mysudoku and watch TV and hang out
with my dog, then let her have that.
Unless they're seeing what we think of something we're not
seeing and that she is actually sad.
But if she's sitting at home going like oh I did that sudoku
in 3rd and this is 90 seconds, I'm good, she's rating all of
her sudoku. I am not professed sudoku.
I don't know how you. Would love Sudoku.
(06:25):
Yeah, you would love it. Simply go on the math.
It's no, no math involved, just the play.
You'd see the numbers. It's all just but the numbers.
Nothing adds up to anything. You can only use one or zero
through 9 in each row or each column.
And then you figure out and anyway, we'll, we'll do some
stuff there. OK.
It's a fun time. I used to do, I had a Sudoku de
puzzle on my desk at work and they were varying degrees of
(06:48):
difficulty, but I used to do 1 every morning before I started
work because it would kind of turn my brain on.
Other times it would just piss me off because I'm like a
goddamn Sudoku and I just throw it to the ground because it was
too complicated. Because there's some that just
aren't fun because they make youlike figure out like, oh, well,
this number could be this or that.
And I'm like, I don't want to play that.
(07:08):
I want to play the nice ones where it's easy to fall and
plays like, well that can't be a7 because that's A7.
I not the same thing but I have this game on my on my phone
where it's like you see the differences and you're trying to
like point out the difference inlike 2 pictures.
Highlights on your phone. Basically, yeah.
It's like this is sad face, thisis happy face.
Like that's a difference. You have to point out like 12 or
(07:29):
13 differences and then. I love, I love, man, good old
adult highlights. Yeah, it's good.
I used to play. I used to play one of those Find
It games on my iPad back when I used it a lot.
But then I found that they were doing like, they were just
changing the contrast of an image.
So they're like, there was a bitlike, where is it?
You can barely see a line there.And I was like, oh, screw that.
(07:51):
I was like into paying to have like hints for the game.
And I'm like, no, not playing this game anymore where they're
like hiding things in plain sight by making them invisible.
You literally are like, I'm not playing this game.
Yeah, I'm. Literally, I said not doing it.
Not doing it at all. Not stay.
So. That was just a Michael litter
and then that show like back andforth driving Gina and Jen crazy
(08:13):
with back and forth. I think Jen and and even if
she's like smacker in her professionals, Jen is on a good
surface level OK with with Tamara.
Gina's totally fine. She talked about Travis and all
that old. Stories seems that Jenna Jen
though is trying to be like findany excuse to the fact that she
(08:34):
was like I don't know Gina. I think that could have been a
dig what Tamara said about her father.
Like it's Tamara, please, you know, and.
You're right. OK, I take that back.
Yeah, Jenna's suddenly. She really wants to, but I think
then she hears Tamara's responseto like, OK, maybe, maybe not.
Which sort of and funny, like ifeverybody, if the other Gina and
(08:54):
Shannon were like, I am totally cool with Tamara, we're all
right, we're gonna be like crap now I'm right.
Doesn't like that, right? So whatever.
So meanwhile, in Beverly Hills, Heather Dubrow takes them from.
Heather Dubrow audition for RealHouse.
It's about Yeah and. They go to the Abbey.
I don't know how I feel about the Morrissey were having on a
Wednesday at 2:00 at like 8:00 PM.
(09:16):
Morrissey went to the Abbey. Like, were they going to go to
like, what's what else is there?The mother lode, isn't that one
of them it? Is.
Like a Mickey's, of course they go to the FBI.
Get it? What?
Why was, why wasn't Oh God, Sutton there with all her?
Friends. Oh my gosh.
(09:37):
And Sutton now they're her friends.
They should crossover. Yeah, I.
Sounds like I don't do what I was saying.
I don't mind and there's a lot of question comes up about women
in gay spaces and whether or notthat's, you know, a welcome
thing or not. And I'm a fine, I'm fine, I'm
(09:58):
fine with it. Not that like I'm the end all be
all judge of whether. It depends on the women, the
group, the. Day of the week.
Day of the week and also what are you doing there?
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
I think in this context because it wasn't already crowded and
they weren't taking up space of other people, right?
I think it's cool have them let them have their fun.
You know, Emily can go ahead andride the go go boy.
(10:19):
It's. Just weird.
This is not Chippendales like when they're like making a ray
and I'm like, these are go go boys.
You put the money down, the shorts you don't like make it
right. Yeah, don't objectify them like
that. No.
Gosh, no. No.
And then I think my other problem that I I can't
sugarcoat. I don't.
(10:40):
And Gretchen's even creepier when she's having fun, like when
she's all loud. Yeah, I'm just.
I can. I can't.
And then like you mentioned it, like at one point she sounded
like she was acting drunk, like she had something to drink, but
it sounded like she was definitely amping it up.
I think it's so she could be like, I don't know what I was
(11:00):
saying. I was drunk, you guys.
I don't normally drink like that.
It just seemed like too like what you would see on a sitcom.
Like no, I'm super drunk and I'mlike having a random pillow
fight and I'm being loopy. Or at least or that's her purse.
Although now if I would, if I think bats are naked wasted,
that's how she acted too. So maybe that's just how she was
(11:21):
drunk, man. Maybe because not drunk?
But drunk, Drunk and then was was Fireball involved in Naked
Waste? Is that why they kept bringing
up Fireball? Or they just no, it was like we
she had many different drinks. OK, I I watched it, rewatched it
recently. It was like wine, Jimmy.
It was. I think that's probably what did
her in, like the mixing of alcohols.
Right, Right. Yeah.
(11:41):
And the mixing of the roofies. There were no roofies.
I don't. Know allegedly.
Cut it out. So yeah, it was just a little
weird to watch. And then yeah, how she again,
how she brought up this whole Tamra trying to sing a song like
track. I think it was, you know, this
(12:02):
smell was not set up. It was like, oh, you know, da,
da, da, my song. I know I do a song.
Oh, and then, but nobody was asking for this.
As Ryan points out later, nobody.
There's naturally had a conversation about her and her
music. And that goes from, well, you
know, Tamra did a song and she sounded like a drowned rat.
(12:22):
How does that sound? OK, yeah.
Where did that come from? Oh, and by the way, she's she's
in the studio. She was screwing.
Beeps out the name, but someone Emily knows of because she's
Gen. X.
Yeah. Emily is your age.
I mean technically I'm you're Gen.
X too. I am.
Yeah, I am, yeah. But we're the very tail end of
(12:43):
Jerry until like I I again, I like, I'm more, I like
considering myself Gen. Y.
But you know, it's not actually a Gen. because I'm between Gen.,
you know, I'm not millennial, but I'm all you know.
Definitely, definitely. Not millennial but I'm
definitely not Gen. X.
My brother, my brother qualifiesas Gen.
X and he's born in like 1965 or something so.
Six months. I'm really like Portia, once
(13:05):
sick, she's like, I think 801981that she's in the bowl of
millennial. And I was like, is that
millennial? I don't know.
I guess so, yeah. I don't know he is anyway.
Vance. I'm curious about who this
person is. I like how much that it's
someone that at least if we'd heard their name.
We wouldn't know they. Are that we know who they are,
but it's also somewhat obscure enough that like Emily would
(13:28):
say, well, I'm of a certain age,so I know that person, whereas
you might say it to someone younger and they'd be like,
who's that right. So it makes me think like, did
did she like? And it was like big enough.
They had like both bleep and like.
Not throw their mouth, yeah. Yeah, Gretchen's mouth.
So she would do with her filters.
Does it look like it was? I was trying to figure out
(13:48):
whether it was one name or two names.
It sound like from a group, maybe she said the name, but I
think when Emily retooled and they bleeped her and it's like
so and so. So I'm like, are we talking
about Backstreet Boys? Are we talking about **NSYNC 98°
we can go? On and on.
No, I don't think. I think that's not particularly
Gen. X.
Or well, OK, let's OK, you're right.
(14:09):
And you know what? OK, let's, let's do a little a
little sleuth, Fletcher on this.Yeah.
It would have been in the early 2000s because, like, Tamara was
on the show at the time. So it would have been probably.
Yeah. So when if someone's Gen.
X and it's probably an 80s person, like in the Bon Jovi
(14:30):
realm raps, right. I wish we could actually hear
the song so we'd know like, the kind of.
Oh, like. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's probably a good poppy. So maybe not like a rocker, more
like a Tears For Fears. Is that too?
Long Oh, that's no, that's not. That's too poppy though, and too
alt alt poppy I I and in my head, I don't know why.
(14:52):
I feel like it's some sort of classic rock sort of guy.
Like Michael Bolton. That's not classic rock,
sweetheart. That is mom.
OK, That is mom. Pop my mom.
Listen to Michael Bolton. We listen to Michael.
And I did like me so, Michael. That was like, how am I just
living without you? Yeah, for him.
But yeah, I'm curious to know who would be.
And I know that that in it's complete BS for like, well, that
(15:17):
was Slade's doing. And also, Slade got his own
confessional wacky. It's like John Jansen getting
his own professional last year. We don't need that.
Yeah, it won't need that. Like it ran the pop up his doofy
ass face. Like, you know, I hate him, bro.
Or what he said basically like. It was like, I'm not gonna,
yeah, I'm not gonna talk about Tamara for the sake of talking
(15:39):
about her. But talking about her, like you
and Alexis, you and Gretchen would not be on this show if
Tamara was not. So I do, I do wonder how much of
A setup it was the next day for Emily and Heather to be asking.
So are you guys going to get married?
How do you hold your finances that.
(16:00):
Was some good grilling. It was and I, I don't know, I.
And the flashback, basically, she can't say it's not true
because she said it in this flashback that she does not want
to incur Slade's financial debt at the time and still up this
time is about him, you know, paying child support.
And she's very, very like careful about what she's saying
(16:22):
about this as. Opposed to 2012, right?
It's more like I want to be on my own.
Like I'm thinking she's thinkingfrom like a feminist standpoint
of be like, I don't want a man to ever have control of me.
I'm going to have my own finance.
It's my own house, da da, da. But what is he contributing and
why are you not? Group, right, coming again, like
in that common sense or that common sense of the word of what
(16:45):
business of theirs is it? It's not.
And they're not trying to make it their business.
They're just wanting to know, curiously, how it works.
I love my other says it's not mybusiness, but it doesn't make
sense to me, right, right. And especially when you add on
the layer of Jesus and how religious she is now.
And so you would think you'd want to, you know, have your
household together like mommy and daddy are married, whatever
(17:08):
that little bullshit of like we were married by an organic
minister in our own level ceremony.
You're not married. We're married.
We got an official. Yeah, when she when she says
that like marriage is only paper, I just want to be like,
oh, so then you probably have noproblem with gay marriage
getting married done, so that's doesn't matter to you.
And that your group you're associated with trying to take
that right, right, right from us, yeah, so.
(17:29):
I'd be curious to hear how that how that goes.
But no, I mean, it did make me wonder because we've also been
really curious, like what what happened between Emily and
Tamara. Like last season, they seemed
pretty tight with each other andthen now all of a sudden she's
buddy buddy Emily's like up withGretchen.
But then this episode a little bit, if she was like also just
(17:50):
trying to kind of get back at her a little bit for Tamara, I
couldn't tell. I think it was more increasing
because like she's pointing out like this whole or really riding
heartless narrative of Heather being afraid.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, Tamara can't
really have friends. She's very it's only about all
about strategy and playing chess, which, yeah, that's not.
(18:14):
I mean, it's true because even Tamara will say Tamara said this
episode. I don't like people, Tamara said
on 2 TS. Like, I put walls up or even on
the show, but I put walls up. I'm very defensive.
That's just who I am growing up.And, you know, she's putting up
balls. So yeah, maybe it's probably
hard for her to have a lot of good close friends.
(18:35):
And you're not really helping the point, Emily, like saying
pointing out these things, but. I like that at least now there's
a little bit more of the other side of like Emily is trying to
like bring out like bull it and.That's good.
I like I like to say, yeah, it'sgood that she's not like I'm
leading on one side right. And I think yes to like say to
(18:55):
Gretchen, you know, like really No, it's like from the grilling
the whole like you started this,right?
You just like we were sitting here minor in business and you
enslaved just like started like word vomiting all these things
about camera having an affair with like this random pop star
rock star, whoever. And it was recorded and like,
(19:16):
oh, there's audio, but we don't have the audio, but like we
heard the audio and you know, just Gretchen be like, oh, I'm
in trouble. Yeah, you are in trouble because
you're starting shit. Uh huh.
Termo's willing to go forward with you and you are going
backward and then. She's like, I hope you guys
still bring this up, but I know you're going to.
Well, yeah, of course. That's on camera.
Yeah. Chick.
Like what do you think? I wish I had a better knowledge
(19:39):
of 80's rock musicians because then every time we mention this
Tamra thing, I can be like, Oh yeah, then Tamra and Sting they
were sitting in. Excess.
Tamra and Tamra and Steve Perry.Could be it could be.
It wouldn't be he was. He was long not involved with
(20:00):
Journey by the time. Yeah, but but that's frilled
around. But like, it doesn't have to be
like him. Like he could have been
producing the track. True.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah.
God help us if Steve Perry had to produce Tamara Judges music
track. Because like, I want to know
more of this back story. I want Tamara to explain like
(20:21):
why was she trying to record a song just because she was on
Housewives? Yeah, probably.
It doesn't make any sense going back a second to the Heather of
it all that conversation, which I wish Tamara had like paused.
And actually when they showed the flashback of Heather saying
you remind me of my father. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Tamra just dismissed it. Like, again, Tammy needs to shut
(20:41):
up sometimes and like, listen more to people because Heather
Ware told her you remind me of my father because of XY and Z
and said she had the conversation with Emily and
Gretchen where it would have been more meaningful, right.
With Tamra, Right. So yeah.
But I mean, that's kind of Heather's point though, and
everyone's point is that they have certain conversations with
cameras. Yeah, it's weird.
(21:02):
It's like, because it's like I put walls up because I'm afraid
of being heard. But then you're heard.
Then it gets to ammunition for putting the balls up.
But if you never put the balls down, then you can't ever be
true friends and it's easy for you to flip on something.
Never ending cycle. Exactly.
She's chasing her tails sometimes.
So, yeah, yeah. Well, next week, because that
(21:24):
looks like it's gonna be good. Next week is like the Gretchen
has that. Wonderful braided ponytail thing
going on. And a poof and a I know it's
very like 18th century, like, you know, like she should have a
collar up to here like a lady. I don't.
Know now when you give someone with a finger, do you have a
thumb outboard? No, yeah, I knew.
(21:45):
I just did. Because son, yeah, that's.
What I would do like before I control.
I would always do the thumb out.See that?
Oh yeah. Yeah, of this, but my I have a
friend he would always just do and he could could collapse his
index fingers. So when he gave the finger like
they were just it was just his middle finger sticking up, but
he would purposely keep his thumb in because he'd said it
(22:06):
just would do sheer that way. But yeah, just be honest.
I in front of me once because I could only I had to hold the
fingers down and let's look at what you do with my left hand
like that. Well.
I have four older brothers. I learned how to do it with both
hands just hey guys, flip the bird could also hit you in the
(22:27):
nose, the spine of a TV Guide. Like well trained with that.
Two guys are so thin nowadays and like, they're not, I know.
They have no binding to speak. Yeah, exactly like, oh, you can
make this. Sample.
Yeah. Oh, you.
Don't meet the staple right in the nose.
Owie. Yeah, no, those, those old TV
guides especially, it was like the fall preview you.
(22:47):
Get. You get someone crack right and
then right between the eyes is one of those.
And it was such a satisfying impact noise too.
This spin on just whack right between their eyes.
Oh so good and I'm the youngest I'm the youngest brother and I
had that skill don't don't be thinking that I was picking on
my old my younger brothers they're my older brother yeah
(23:09):
picking on them you're. Just fighting for survival.
Yes, exactly. It's Kitty.
You don't need to drink. Don't go to the bar, Kitty.
Why are you in the bar? Yeah, I'm gonna feed her.
Yeah. Well, this is good episode.
Yeah. We talk about everybody.
Yeah, I'm poor Katie. Oh man, we just talk about her.
Gina had a decent confessional. That was a great color on her.
(23:31):
Yeah. And her hair was blown out very
nicely. Yeah.
It was one of her best looks. She definitely redeemed herself
from like last year's I think Sunny even.
Situation and as much as we keepthinking we're going to see one
of Emily's nipples, we haven't yet.
So that's that's another one of our that's.
Why I'm wearing that dress? I'm like, am I seeing Ariel a
lot? Yeah.
Is there going to be like a little top of the nip slip?
(23:52):
Yes, and it's like top of the morning but your nipple.
All right, till next, until nexttime.
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