Husbands Wine Whenever (RHOM)

We join We Wine Whenever on their podcast to discuss Season 7, Reunion Part One. We delve into the journey into the Housewives fandom, share our thoughts on fashion highlights from the reunion, and explore the dynamics of various relationships. The conversation also touches on Julia's controversial behavior, Larsa's boyfriend, and Lisa's new business venture. We reflect on long-time fans' perspectives, Guerdy's experience during the reunion, and the implications of Kiki's actions. The episode concludes with a discussion on Julia's apology and the overall impact of the reunion. In this engaging conversation, the hosts delve into the complex dynamics of reality TV, particularly focusing on the interactions and conflicts among cast members of the Housewives franchise. They explore themes of friendship, rivalry, wealth, and personal growth, while also addressing the impact of parenting choices and the narratives surrounding adoption. The discussion highlights the evolution of housewives' behavior and the humorous aspects of their lives, including the role of pets. As they anticipate future drama, the hosts reflect on the importance of authenticity and the challenges newcomers face in establishing their place within the group.The men dive right into the drama as Andy starts the reunion with shots (literally), while the women unpack a season filled with physical altercations, online accusations, and emotional meltdowns.Julia breaks down early over social media backlash and past behavior, while Adriana’s emotional support dog is denied a spot on the couch. Larsa brags about her new man Jeff Kobe (and her 2026 Mrs. Kobe timeline), Kiki faces accusations of racism tied to social media fallout, and Guerdy confronts everyone for not standing up for her after the infamous water toss.The ladies debate who’s responsible for the franchise’s growing “throwing problem” — from glasses to ice buckets — as Andy tries to keep the peace. Guerdy accuses Alexia of fake apologies, Julia pleads her case (and blames tequila), and Adriana tries to “help” Guerdy only to spark more chaos backstage.The husbands find humor in the Housewives’ logic — like how every “I’m sorry” is followed by a “but…” and how Andy Cohen looks more and more like a hostage negotiator with every minute that passes.Support We Wine Wheneverhttps://www.wewinewhenever.com/Check us out athttps://www.husbandswatchinghousewives.com/

Episode Transcript

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Music. Welcome to another episode of
husbands watching housewives. I'm Scott.
Normally that would be Jeff, buthe's at work today.
I I took the day off to take care of some things in and out
of the podcast. But we recently watched an
episode of the Real Housewives of Miami, to be specific.
We watched the first episode of the reunion this season and we
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bombshell that you know that herand Adriana slept together in
the Hamptons and. So I had it ruined for me
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before in a commercial break andI was like damn it.
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Hi, welcome to WE Wine Whenever.I'm Wendy.
I'm Kelly. We are here today with husbands
watching housewives Scott and Jeff.
Let's welcome them. Hello.
Thanks for having us, this is great.
Yeah. Thanks for joining.
Yeah, tell us a little bit aboutyourselves.

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Well, he's the original housewives fan between us when
we first started dating, I was like, oh God, Housewives guy.
And, and I was like, eventually I'm going to have to watch one
of these. And he, he got me introduced I
think with the Atlanta, one of the Atlanta reunions.
Yes, it was season 10. Yeah, and reunion, I think a
reunion is a good place for people to start when they
haven't really housewived before, because I think it's

(02:43):
really good to, because I just sat down on like, oh, that
girl's lying. Oh, that person.
And you could just easily see the mechanics going on.
I think sometimes that that really got me going.
And then you know from there, living together.
Yeah, we moved in together. We started watching all of them,
basically. But funny enough, not Miami.
We just start. Yeah.
Yeah, we kind of. Wondering because I thought you

(03:04):
mentioned in in one of your podcasts that this is the first
season you've watched Miami. Correct.
Yes, I watched the first two seasons like way back in the
day, and then I don't know aboutthe third.
And then when it came back on Peacock, we were just like, we
met too, but then we're like, we're not into that.
And so that just became like theone we didn't watch, basically.
Yeah, it. Was kind of our thing for a

(03:25):
while. We'll watch all the Housewives
but not Miami. But then this last, you know,
last few months, you're at that.You had that period where
there's no housewives at all. We're like, we got to watch it.
We got to give it a try. Yeah.
So basically the idea for the show, can't we just like we, you
know, watch all the shows, Then we would talk about it in depth,
like during and after. And so we're like, we should

(03:45):
maybe do a podcast. And we thought about it, and we
went to Bravo Con in 2023, and it was after the Beverly Hills
panel. We were just in line at the bar
talking about what we just seen on the panel.
And this woman behind this said,do you have a podcast?
Because you sound like, you know, like what you're talking
about. And we're like, no, we're just
two husbands, you know, who watch Bravo.

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And she's like, well, if you hada podcast, I would listen
because, you know, you. Yeah, you sound really
knowledgeable. And so we that's.
Awesome. Yeah, we've been toying around
with the idea of it and, you know, just decided, OK, well,
let's do it now. Let's go ahead and get some mics
and give it a go. And here we are now over 200
episodes. And then, you know, meet and
find, find people like you do this as well.
So it's all, it's great. I love it.

(04:28):
Yeah, it's a nice community. It is, it is, it is.
I mean, some of it we, we haven't met very many people.
I say we were saying before we started like it, you know,
there's some people with some really awful takes out there.
So it's always nice to be able to find people that have have
some similar alignment but also different opinions about stuff.
So. Right.
You just, you want to stay rational about it.

(04:49):
But but like our friend Lori, who does this with us too, she's
like, there's nothing rational about these women.
I'm like, no, I get that, right?We just have to stay rational
about it. Yeah.
Yeah, I've seen him throw down his phone so many times after
just scrolling Twitter or Redditand just.
I just can't. I just can't.
I get so fired up. Then I'm like, why am I getting
so fired up? It's just the reality show.

(05:09):
Even like doing the pod like I'll just like just go on a rant
and afterwards like listen to it.
I'm like, why was I so upset about what she said?
It's just the reality show, calmit down.
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure you'verealized I pop off very easily
about things and Wendy's like why you get so mad?
I'm like, I know and I don't know why.

(05:29):
Like it didn't happen to me. Probably mad at something going
on in my house and taking it outon these housewives.
That's awesome. So we're going to talk about the
Real Housewives of Miami ReunionPart 1.
But before we dive into that, let's talk about the reunion
looks. So I have them up behind me.
Scott, which one was your favorite?

(05:50):
My favorite, honestly, I didn't think I would like it so much
until I saw it on screen, was actually Marisol's.
It was really like seeing the pictures of it.
I was like, but I really liked just kind of like the the IT was
a little ice skater Y without being too ice skater Y.
It had the right amount of sparkle.
So that's my favorite. How about you, Jeff?

(06:12):
Mine was actually Alexia's like I don't normally like yellow but
it looked really good on her andthe hair and the and the red lip
and it was just a nice presentation all around.
I thought a. Little too plain for me, just
straight yellow dread. But it was a very statement.
It was very strong, yellow like a like a sunburst.
Right. If you're Andy, it was orange.

(06:32):
Yeah, so. Yes, yes, that's right.
To me and what Lexia's looked extremely painful up top.
It happens with a lot of reunion.
Looks like they're really squeezed in and I'm like, are
the girls OK? That's what I mean.
Like I don't know. And I don't know if Alexia's has
fake boobs or not, but maybe if they're fake it doesn't hurt so

(06:53):
bad. I don't know, it just looked
very painful. Never thought about that.
If fake versus real, I guess yeah, fake would.
Like maybe they're numb. I don't know.
If somebody could, if a listenercould, could give us an insight,
that'd be great. Great.
Yeah. Trying to think about what's
yours fake. Boobs.
I'll ask them. Which one's your favorite?

(07:15):
I don't know if I have any. My favorite I I like Lisa's and
I like Kiki's. Oh, those are good.
Those. Are good, yes.
Yeah, I mean, Kiki, like that picture I don't think does it
justice, but obviously Kiki's stunning.
She really can't do any wrong with the fashion thing.
But yeah, I I thought she stood out.
And this is where Wendy comes inand says Larsa's was her

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favorite, right? Oh no.
This is beautiful. No, no, no, actually, I said
Marisol's. Marisol's my favorite.
And Lisa was, I gave her number two.
She got my second spot because Ithought hers was very nice too.
But Larsa's, I heard on Anna's, Anna's podcast that she looked

(07:57):
that dress up. It was $176.
Her dress. Really.
Larsa's. Yes.
I don't remember where it was from.
I know, but I don't know where it was from.
But $176 reunion dress, I was like you it it showed.
It looked like $176 reunion dress.
I totally agree with that. Yeah, I've said it before.

(08:18):
Nobody can pull off a bodysuit like Larsa.
I mean, she's got the body for abodysuit, right?
Not at the reunion, right? Use it up a little bit.
Use it up. Yeah.
All right, so let's get on to the reunion.
The ladies arrive at 6:53 AM theday of the reunion.
Adriana shows up with her dog, her emotional support dog,

(08:41):
Basquiat. How funny was that?
When Andy was like, yeah, Adriana, I'm getting from
production, the dog has to go. Meanwhile, probably nobody was
in his ear. And he was like, I don't want
this dog on this set like. Someone's saying.
Someone is me. Exactly that someone is me Lars
is talking about. She doesn't do receipts for the

(09:02):
reunion. The only thing in her phone are
photos of her feet. OK, I I believe that she's the.
Only fans plug. In there.
Exactly, Julia is crying and emotional about all the social
media posts and then they flash the social media posts.
I mean, she was getting a lot ofhate on social media.
She definitely was. What are your thoughts on that?

(09:23):
Well, we're not the biggest fansof Julia's this well, I'd say
this season, but this is our first season.
I really wanted to like her cuz I think when we watched the
first season back when they wereMiami returned, I really kind of
liked her. But I was really disappointed
with kind of how just she went over all and you know, from the
water throwing and everything. I, I don't know, I think she
kind of deserves not all of thatstuff, but a little bit, I mean.

(09:48):
A little bit of that I think hate to a certain, you know,
Housewives fans can be a bit toxic and a bit overboard.
So I think I don't hate anybody and no one should hate anyone.
You don't know these women. You may not, you may disagree
with them, but there's no need to name call or threaten or what
have you. So I wouldn't go that far.

(10:08):
I would say I strongly dislike Julia and things that she said
as well as her wife, which we get to like for a minute.
We'll talk about that later. Yes, yes we will.
Yes, you know, it's yeah. There's no need to like, come at
her so hard. So no, I think we can all agree
that she's has not been a good friend to Adriana.

(10:29):
This. No this season.
Or. Granny.
For that matter, no. No, of 100.
Oh, no, Absolutely. Absolutely.
That's how it started. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, how about that flashback? To her going crazy and throwing
the chair at that one event where Anna.
Yeah, right. There's a history.
And here's the problem. There's definitely a history,

(10:50):
but that season it didn't work for production to show that side
of Julia. So we didn't see it.
But this season, it works for production to show that side of
Julia. Production's really interesting.
They're watching the show they want us to see of.
Course, yes, they really pick and choose what what gets the
the greatest segment. It's like, oh, you chose that.

(11:12):
OK, yeah, interesting. That changes the narrative,
yeah. It does, but yeah, yeah.
For. For Julia to show up and just be
already, I mean, I guess she'd be right off the bat, like in
her feelings like that and just be so like already wound up.
It's a little bit, I don't know,part of me is like she's
preparing things for later so she can have a defense of just,

(11:33):
you know, sorry. Things have been really, really
horrible for me where instead ofactually owning up to her
behavior, which, you know, she says she apologizes.
But I don't know. It's very hollow to me, all that
stuff. Yeah, I agree.
I totally agree as well. Next we see Larsa brought her
boyfriend, Jeff Kobe. I don't know why she feels the
need to bring a boyfriend to every reunion to sit in the back

(11:54):
and just support her, but he wasthere.
Let me just let me just interrupt.
I apologize, but he supposedly he's a basketball.
Well, he is a basketball player.He's a basketball player.
So my son and my husband loved the NBA.
Your sons love the NBA. So my son happened to be walking
past. I said, Joe, have you ever heard

(12:15):
of Jeff Kobe? He's like who?
I said Jeff Kobe. I think he played for the.
The only thing I could find on the Internet, something did say
he played for the Knicks one season, but then I couldn't find
anything else. I don't know if he actually
played for the Knicks. I think he played in a Where's
he from? Haiti.
From Haiti farm league somewhere.

(12:37):
He just plays the minors. I.
Believe so. Maybe Larsa's just downplaying.
She's down grading her a famous athlete status.
So she's like, you know, the last one was a little too high
profile. We need a little lower profile
one this time. Exactly.
Paparazzi aren't going to, you know, catch him doing anything
illegal, right? At least in another country.
Yeah, Lisa's not going to want to follow him.

(12:58):
So it won't be a problem. It'll be it'll be OK.
Exactly, yes. Andy kicks off the reunion with
a shot of tequila for himself and the ladies, which I thought
was a little odd, and he did sayit's the first time they've ever
done that, but I don't know if that's really the way to start
it. Just saying.

(13:20):
Well, Jeff was joking that afterthe Beverly Hills reunion where
Garcelle just got up and walked away, he's like, we got to do we
got to do the kind of the the kumbaya at the beginning of the
reunion this year. Maybe.
Absolutely. That's a good point, A good
point, but other housewives are like banned from drinking at all
at Reunions Miami. They're doing shots ahead of

(13:40):
time. They're pre gaming.
They're pre gaming the reunion. Well, I think it's probably a
part of Marisol's contract that if it's there's not a shot at
the beginning, in the end she won't do it.
So because she got a cocky cart off to the side.
A cocky cart. Andy asks Adriana who has a
higher sex drive, her or Basquiat because she took her
dog to get that before he got. Fixed, I forgot about that.

(14:04):
I thought it was. Funny, so my daughter's favorite
artist is Basquiat and I thoughthe was talking about the artist.
I'm like, why would he ask that?I didn't realize that was her
dog's name. I thought.
I saw it in the episode but I forgot.
I thought it was the French boyfriend for a second.
I thought I thought he was talking about the French
boyfriend. He just disappeared.

(14:24):
Like they made out for 4 episodes and that's the last we
saw of him. What did he do?
Disappear. It was the dog.
Yeah. I.
Forgot I forgot about. That last hurrah before she had
him neutered. She right, Right.
So weird to the Georgia brothel.Thing, yes, that was.
Yes, I thought that was. I mean, I can't remember that

(14:46):
you brought it up. Right, I can't remember if I I
thought I googled if that was a serious thing that like existed
in Miami like a doggy brothel. But then you know you get into
some really bad search results after you search dog brothel.
And now it's on your history. Yeah, yeah.
Hopefully my husband doesn't look at my search browser.

(15:06):
I did not. Let's see.
Then he brings up the Julia's coming up on her year with the
boys with her and Martina and that Lisa recently rang the
opening bell at NASDAQ for her new company split.
Well I'm here for that with Lisa.
I was so excited before the season started she was on 2 teas

(15:29):
in a pod and she was talking about it and she was explaining
it and she actually understood what it was, which I'm sorry for
Lisa I think is amazing because honestly prior to her talking
about it, I really didn't think she was the brightest bowl, but
she really knew what she was talking about.
Right, right. No her apps that app idea
sounds. Great.
It's very smart. Yeah, like.
You'd think that there'd be something like that already, and

(15:51):
then just to see that you're like, that's a smart thing to
have created. And the name is good too.
Yeah. The name's very good and I think
there is something like I said, we live in Jersey and my
girlfriend went through a horrible divorce and it took
like 3 years and there isn't. There was an app that she was
using. I think that's a court judge
though. It's a court app.

(16:12):
The judge was Privy to it. The attorneys, any therapists or
counselors involved are Privy toit.
So. But the, the name of that was so
clever. Yeah.
Yeah. And if she can get it, you know,
be used in courts and stuff likethat, that would be amazing.
I think what you're talking about was actually something

(16:33):
that Drew and Ralph on Atlanta talked about when they're going
through their divorce about like, and with the judge and the
therapist, and now they're all on the sort of app to
communicate and, you know, saying what they couldn't,
couldn't do and whatnot. So that's interesting.
Yeah, very. Yeah, no, I was kind of rolling
my eyes at the whole idea of like, I rang the bell on the
NASDAQ and I rang the bell on the NYSE and I was just like,

(16:54):
that's like such a symbolic thing these days.
But like, and it's not like trade, I guess trading does
begin when with the gavel, but it's not like, you know, back in
the 80s and 90s when it was all hell and mayhem once that
happened. But it's just a weird thing that
both of them had that opportunity.
It was just something that I don't think about on a regular
basis, so. Right, Right.
Yeah, I agree. My sister's actually done that.

(17:15):
Has she? Yeah, I think my sister's done
that. She works.
She works in the finance industry in Manhattan and isn't
that terrible. She probably told us.
And we were like, oh wow, that'sreally cool.
But now we know Gertie and Lisa.Did it?
Yeah. Gertie did it right.
I'm excited that Gertie and Lisadid it, though.

(17:36):
There you go. Yes.
Priorities. Priorities ancestors.
They know who I am. There you go.
We find out that Alexia, her divorce is final now.
And as of the taping of the reunion, she has no contact with
Todd. But I mean, after the reunion,
everyone saw the video that Toddput out.

(17:58):
Like what are your thoughts on that?
Which video was? Yeah, I don't think someone.
He's talking about so he put outa video suing Bravo.
Yes. Do you guys didn't see it?
No, this is breaking news for us.
Yes, so he so that was after thereunion film, after it filmed.
Yes, before it aired, after it filmed, he put out a video like

(18:21):
a 10 minute long video. And Todd is known for his videos
about the truth of really what happened with him and Alexia and
that he did not leave Frankie alone like she made it sound
like. And that Frankie's father is
very involved in Frankie's life,which we've never heard.
And that he's been there for Frankie.

(18:42):
And he fought to get Peter and Frankie compensated on the show
and really a little bit more about what really was happening.
And that he is. If you go to his Instagram you
can watch it still. Yeah, all.
Right. Yeah, I just kind of stay away
from all things Todd because just honestly, I'm just so tired
of hearing about him. And so like, even in this

(19:03):
episode where she's like, oh, we're have no contact.
I'm like, but by the time the new season starts, are you going
to be talking about him again? Is he going to be back in your
life? You're going to be having
nooners with him? Like I just.
Exactly. So over it.
Do you believe the Todd video orwhat are your thoughts on that?
I believe the Todd video, I, I actually think Todd has more
credibility than she does, to bequite honest with you, because I

(19:26):
think with with her, it's all about her staying relevant on
Miami. She's not, she's not giving up.
She's not giving up that mojito even though she said would, even
though she said she would. She's not giving up that mojito.
She's not. And what he said on the video is
right. So he wasn't shown in a very
good light last season. I mean, he it was his actions

(19:49):
and you know, production does what they do.
He not only, you know, left Alexia and and they're
separated, but he wants nothing to do with the show.
However, Alexia's whole storyline this season was him.
But that's not Bravo's fault. That's Alexia's fault.
That's Alexia. Yeah.
For sure. She just kept making it all

(20:10):
about him and, you know, would have would have enjoyed more
about her separate from him. But you know, we don't always
get that. I.
Think the part about their father was very interesting that
how involved he is in their lives.
But you don't ever hear that. Never.
Not once. She's never once, right?

(20:30):
No, from her. She's never once said anything
about Frankie and Peter's fatheron the show in a positive, you
know, ever. Yeah, I don't think I've ever
heard anything out of her mouth about anyone other than Todd.
You really. So you know.
And the other and the other husband who died?
Herman yeah, and she does finally admit so.

(20:53):
Wendy and I have literally both been watching Housewives since
OC first season 2006. Like non, did you ever take a
break? Were there some seasons you were
like Nope? Nope.
Nope. I have.
I didn't watch Atlanta for a fewseasons.
You gave up on Atlanta and you never watched Dubai?
I never watched Dubai. You're OK.

(21:15):
Dubai was good though. I mean, it was I.
Liked I liked Dubai. I liked it.
Was good. So that's what happened with us.
We would go during COVID, we walked every night with our
other friend Lori, and we drank wine.
I mean, really, we went to, we did work, we worked.
But come 5:00, it was walking, talking about housewives
drinking wine was our life. And that's where we, Lori used

(21:39):
to make fun of us. She was like, Oh my God, you act
like they're your friends. We're like, well, we've kind of
feel like they are. We're vested.
Except Teresa. She and I are not friends.
Never happened. No, you're not a good place.
No, we are not in a good place. So then that's how we started
saying we're, oh, we're going todo a podcast.

(22:00):
So I mean, can we if I can hand derail the conversation.
I mean, if picking up that you know, you're not very happy on
Teresa, does that mean your teamMelissa necessarily or is that?
Percent. I always have been since she.
Well, I will say this because I always do say this.
I do think the christening was Joe Gorga's fault.
Oh yeah, I can. See.
OK, I can see that. However, everything that took

(22:22):
place after that 100% Teresa's fault and Kim D but and I think
that they were fine, and I've said this before, they were
totally fine. And then Louis entered, and he.
Effed. Yes.
Disrupted it all. Yeah, Louis really, really
screwed up Jersey and. Many levels.
So many levels. Many, many, many levels.

(22:42):
Many, many, many levels. He's just so.
Creepy he is. And listen, it's out there.
Like his sisters knew where her shore house was or wherever.
I don't know if she still has that shore house in.
She doesn't. What the Hell's her?
What the hell town is it? Whatever.
Right outside of LBI. She was right outside of LBI.
But her, his sisters knew where she was going to be and they

(23:05):
told him and he went there and he stalked her and he haunted
her down. Yeah, dude wants to be famous.
Woo at all expenses. I was going to make a joke about
him being red but the lighting on me right now has me a little
bit too. Red facing.
No. I have no room.
You're. Fine, I can never make a joke
about being red because every time I drink wine I get red.

(23:27):
Excellent. Well, that is why we are we wine
whenever because whenever we talk about housewives, we drink
wine. It's only appropriate.
Right. Alexia did finally admit that
the Narcissist Party was about Todd.
I swear she said that at the time that like she said
something along the lines of like they were like we're going
to forget about Todd and like dada da da.

(23:48):
And I just swear she mentioned it, but I could be imagining it.
I don't. Know.
No, she definitely did. And then she did a 180 and was
like, this is about you girls. Yeah.
Yeah, sure. This narc party, which I still
don't know that they knew what that really meant.
They don't. They really don't.
Narc Party. Red flag, yeah.

(24:08):
Yeah, yeah. So then the first thing Andy
brings up is one of the things that the viewers really reacted
to was the lack of reaction to the water toss.
And then Alexia jumps in and says, well, looking back and re
watching this, like I, I should have said something.
The way that Julia disrespected Gertie was not OK.
It was not all right. We have said this and I will

(24:29):
continue to say this. There was not enough reaction.
Gertie was done wrong and they did not stand by her.
And I think that even when Andy brings it up in this reunion, I
still don't think it gets the respect that it deserves.
And I still don't think they hear party.
They all start talking about when it's happened to them,

(24:49):
right, right. Like season this, it happened to
me. You threw a glass at me and you
know. It's like, what about all?
Made it about themselves. Yeah, yeah.
And just still didn't even acknowledge the fact that like,
yeah, this most recent time it happened to you and it was awful
and it shouldn't have. And they, none of them wanted to
take any ownership for the fact that they, you know, really
rushed out and were just like, they didn't, they were just

(25:11):
appalled that it was happening. I don't know.
I'm at well it's so worked out. Dial, dial.
I think they, yeah, I think the whole couch was just very irked
and in the way that they had to talk about it, and they were
very defensive and very quick towant it, wanting to shut it
down. But what's crazy is that when
you see the lot, the unseen footage, they did reprimand

(25:35):
Julie at the time, which I thinkI don't understand why Bravo
didn't show that because it changes the narrative a lot, you
know? So it's it's just really weird.
The only thing I can think of isthat that it was kind of
acknowledging that they the 4th wall.
I was acknowledging they were ona show when they were having
that conversation. But the way they choose so Willy
nilly these days when to acknowledge they're on a show

(25:56):
and not. So why not add a little bit more
to that? Those two, it's like they just
they still, even if they did saysomething to her, they still all
sat with her and she was allowedus to stay and they continued on
in a very awkward, I'm sure moment when they Marisol could
have said, you know, this is my engaged no wedding party,
whatever, whatever it was. I think you should go, Julia,

(26:19):
you're obviously really emotional.
You know, it's just it's not a good time and not a good look,
But instead they're like, oh, let's just have her stay.
And then it just went on from there.
So I don't know, it just it was very messy.
Even with the unseen footage, it's it's still very messy.
And I don't think the people on that couch, the non Gertie
couch, care about Gertie and I think they're highly annoyed

(26:42):
about the situation. And yeah.
They're definitely annoyed aboutit.
They're not. They they, they were clearly
trying to ice her out. I mean, the response to her
putting those texts up compared to the response of the water
toss, I mean, the difference waslike, are you kidding me?
And that's crazy. They were probably thinking

(27:05):
about all the backlash on social, the rightful backlash on
social media, having Gertie's back.
Like, yeah, that was bullshit. Absolutely.
And that's where I was getting alittle heated just now is that
they, when they, the the text reveal party, they get all
worked up and like, that's just things you shouldn't do to your
friends. And they all leave the party to
console Julia instead of going back and reading the texts and

(27:25):
seeing, like, to them, those texts could have told us who
killed JFK and all, you know, the world's top secrets.
And they wouldn't really with them because they were too long.
And they felt that it was, you know, betraying a secret, you
know, just so ridiculous. Ridiculous.
It was ridiculous. And then even when Andy asks if
she's going to accept Alexia's apology, there was never an

(27:46):
apology. And that's what Curly said.
Like there was not an apology. How?
How can you accept? And then she went on.
This was the first time I got annoyed with Andy during this
reunion. This was the first time because
there were more. He just wants wants to move on,
move on, move on, right? If you don't have time to do
these reunions, then get somebody else to do it because
you can't just rush through that.

(28:08):
Right. Yeah.
And that's what he did. And I'm glad that Gertie said,
you know what? What apology.
There wasn't an apology. And I'm glad that she wouldn't,
wouldn't agree to say, yeah, I'mjust going to, I'm just going to
let this go because it shouldn'tbe let go.
It shouldn't. Yeah, I feel something about
Gertie's response, like, well, Iagree with her playing it the
way she did. It's still, it's not connecting,

(28:28):
I think the way that she was hoping it would because she just
seemed like she was, you know, her whole thing saying, oh, I'm
just here to listen more than I'm going to speak.
But then she didn't. And then she didn't.
Oh, and especially the next segment when she just kept
interrupting. Well, Adriana was trying to help
her, and she's like, no, no, no,no, let me.
And then in comparison, Julia was very docile.

(28:50):
And what do I need to do, Gertie?
What do I have to do to get you to forgive me?
And, you know, Gertie just seemed like more hyped up.
And I think maybe Julia did thatby design of like, I'm just
going to sit here and be the nice one.
And I apologize five times and, you know, yes.
Patronizing. Patronizing.
Yes exactly, I agree with you onthat and playing like the damsel

(29:14):
in distress. Like I don't buy it with any of
these ladies. Not a damn one of them is the
damsel in distress. No, not with that wet hair.
That's what is with the wet hair.
Listen, we saw her at the at theVirtual Reality Awards.
We saw her in New York City, butlike 2 weeks ago, same hair.
I'm like, what is she doing? I don't know it just it's.

(29:34):
Dry the hair, dry the hair. Just dry.
Yeah, I mean it was better than that one confessional look where
she had the two Squiggy lines coming down.
She look like Squiggy from HappyDay.
What are? You understand?
Blow dryer broke. She's got a team, she's got a
team that's doing this to her. It's not even like she's doing
it herself. Her team doesn't like her.

(29:54):
Exactly. We're starting to get convinced
that these girls glam teams are like, you know what?
Now it looks great. You look great like Lisa Barlow
and that. One smoky eye.
All. You need, that's all you need is
1 smoky eye. It's the new thing.
Everyone's doing it. Gigi had to eat it.
Oh my God, one smoky eye. She would totally follow along

(30:15):
too. She'd be like, yeah.
Gigi Hadid, I love that. Can I say I know her if I do
this? Because when I'm together with
Blake and Ben. Oh, my God, that's so funny.
What's next? So Kiki?
Then Kiki jumps in and she said,you know, at the event, you

(30:36):
know, we were good. And then all of a sudden I hear
that there's a problem and I'm being called a racist.
Oh, I don't know how this got thrown into the reunion at this
part. Like, Oh yeah.
I feel like. Andy jumps in and and tries to
explain like what what's going on on social media.
Anytime Kiki was tagged in the post, they were saying that she

(30:58):
was racist because of the way that she was trying to remove
her from the situation. Saying that she looked like an
angry black woman because she because the the way she was
trying to get Gertie out of thatsituation.
She was acting as if Gertie werethe problem and Gertie was being
aggressive, which anybody watching that would see that

(31:19):
that was not the case, right? I mean, that's that's not how I
saw it. Gertie was not going to
retaliate physically. She's wanted to have a you know,
they are, they were fighting, but she was not going to put her
hands on Julia. And the way that Kiki was trying
to pull her away as if she was trying to break up a fight.
And there was no fight. Gertie sat there very calmly,

(31:39):
wet after having water thrown onher when she could have reacted
so many other ways. So I would have, and so many
other housewives IE Alexia, Marisol, Larsa would have had a
much different reaction than Gertie.
So Julia, absolutely. Julia would not be walking this
earth if she had done that to Alexia, plain and simple.

(31:59):
And if you're going to try to remove anybody from the
situation, remove Julia. She's the one that just got
physical. Yeah, exactly.
With your friend. Right.
Friend. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So. Yeah, I forgot about that.
That was interesting. Like.
Kiki's racist was like as randomas like Adriana's racist

(32:21):
comment. Like during the finale party of
like they're going to say I'm racist.
I'm like, where did this come from?
No one's saying that you're racist.
We felt the same way, yeah, Likewe didn't see it.
We're going to clarify somethingand show us that something at
the reunion that we haven't seenbefore, which will be super
annoying. We have not seen anything

(32:42):
indicating that what you say Kiki called her a racist that
that Kiki insinuated that Adriana was racist.
Right. Or that the, or that social
media was saying that Kiki was racist.
Yeah. Yeah.
So they might say like, oh, you're not supporting your
fellow black woman in this position.
But I don't think that's that. That's not racist.
That's just yeah. Right.

(33:03):
Anyhow, I don't know when it gets.
And for some reason to yell more, right?
I know. And when it, when it gets like
that for the audience, honestly,it's very confusing.
It's it's like, what are you doing?
Like, why is this what the focusis?
Because then this isn't what it was about.
It wasn't about that. And I'll be honest with you, at
this point, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell
Stephanie got in the first seat next to Andy.

(33:25):
Yeah, we haven't even talked about her yet.
And the first reunion, the firstepisode's almost over.
We haven't even talked to her orabout her yet.
Well, I mean in her in her defense, I mean she spent the
1st 4 episodes talking about howrich she was and kind of giving
the intro like hi, I'm new on the scene.
She wasn't even in the 1st 2 episodes I don't think.
So she wasn't. You're right.
So. I think chronologically we got

(33:47):
to give her a little bit more time, but yeah, I don't think
she still deserves first chair. I think, I think Massoud bought
it. He bought her the first seat.
Listen, he upgraded her. He upgraded her to the
presidential seat, the presidential suite, and the
first seat. And in all honesty, I don't
think Alexia deserves the first seat either.
Like I know she's the OG, but why?

(34:09):
Because she's getting divorced? I don't know why she was there.
It should have been Julia and Gertie.
They Yeah. But then Julia would have been
in the first seat. Right.
Yeah, well. That's true.
And they probably didn't want todo that because of all the
backlash on social media. She's yeah.
That's a good point. They put Tamara there every
time. So you know who else was always
there? Teresa.

(34:30):
I know. Teresa was only not first seat
like that first season. That's the only other time she
was not first seat. I think you're absolutely right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because second season she was when she literally physically
pushed Andy down and then after that Melissa came on and then it
was all about Teresa and Melissa.
So you're. Right.
Yeah, interesting. Wow.

(34:52):
I don't think we'll have that problem anymore.
Just another trivia. Just another question to add to
our trivia game that we're goingto write.
One day Wendy and I are going towrite a Housewives trivia game.
I would love it. We will.
Play it all the time. So then Lisa says, well, we want
to hear like what Julia has to say.
So Andy asks Julia, like, what made you throw the water that
night? And Julia, you know, she starts

(35:14):
well, you know, I understand, like watching the footage to
Adriana, like brings you back tothis horrible place.
You know, that was out of my character.
It was slightly enhanced becauseof alcohol, which I will say she
was. She was drunk, But that is no
excuse. That's just no excuse.
You know, nothing I did was planned or rehearsed.

(35:36):
Well, I, I, I agree that that specific moment wasn't planned
to rehearse. But I will say what you said at
the end of this episode was 100%planned and rehearsed.
For sure, for sure. She workshopped that, yeah.
Her big palm shell that she dropped.
Yeah. Yeah, she, she was the cat.
She had the Canary in her mouth the whole time and just waiting

(35:59):
to open up and just let that thing out.
So she was working on it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I think the the one true thing that she did say during
that that first bit was basically that she she saw an
opportunity to impress Alexia and Marisol and that's why she
threw the water is she wanted tobe reactive.
She wanted to like, get them to,you know, pity, not pity her,

(36:19):
but like, take her side. And that's, that's what got her
throw in the water. She wanted her moment.
And I think that's also what pissed her off is that Gertie
called her out. You just wanted a moment, you
know, So you've had it now. And now what you know.
And now you look like a big Jackass.
It backfired. And especially when Gertie
remained as calm as she did and didn't react the way that Julia
wanted, It didn't work out for her.

(36:41):
So. Because if Gertie had reacted
the way that Julia wanted, it would have been all about
Gertie. Then she would for sure be the
angry black woman who attacked Julia.
And yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got it.
That's it. That's 100% it.
Yeah. Then Marisol brings up the fact
that she did take her to the bathroom.

(37:03):
And then we see that footage where she, you know, she tried
to talk to Julia and said that, you know, she didn't, that this,
you know, we don't do that. This is not acceptable.
And then they just keep bringingback up again.
All the other times, all throughout this reunion, they're
bringing back up all the other times that this has happened
with the ice bucket. And, you know, Marisol starts
yelling at Gertie. You didn't, you weren't there

(37:26):
with the ice bucket when Julia threw it at me.
And Gertie said, show the footage.
And they show the footage. And Gertie immediately got up,
grabbed the ice bucket out of her hand like she was there for
her. And Marisol's still standing on
this platform. Like, no, you know, you didn't
stand up for me. Why should I stand up for you?
Because that's what I mean. They made it.

(37:46):
All about themselves, like they just did.
Like what about when this one did this to me?
And what about when this one didthis?
OK, well, but the behavior was wrong then and the behavior is
wrong now. So how about we try to stop the
cycle and make someone accountable for their actions?
Because they can't see that, like, that conversation was
going nowhere. It was just going around in
circles and like pointing fingers like the spider man meme

(38:08):
of like who did went wrong and and it was you know, and they
were never going to get you a little and because they.
Were trying to ice Gertie out and they were trying to, you
know, make her feel separate from from everyone else.
They they were doing the whole, it's just hazing of sorts.
Like, well, it happened to us, so it happened to you.
It's not a big deal. It's like, well, you know, maybe
it shouldn't be happening to people.

(38:29):
That shouldn't be a rite of passage on the housewives
necessarily, as much fun as it can be to watch.
But, you know, at least let it be a napkin, not a glass of
water. Right, right.
I mean, and I don't know how youguys felt about Doctor Nicole,
but we love Doctor Nicole and I think that that's, I think she
was one of the classiest, you know, successful.

(38:50):
She's a good housewife. Well, we saw her.
Yeah, like her. She's we.
Don't really know, we don't really know much about her but I
like that one scene when she went to lunch with Gertie and
from what I've heard about her she found it's like everyone
talks so highly of her and was so sad when she didn't come back
this season but understood why she didn't so.

(39:11):
So she said that one of the friends, I believe it to be
Marisol, basically hired a private investigator to follow
her and her partner around to get dirt on them to use for the
next season. I mean who?
First of all, she sold her houseto Jeff Bezos mother, so she
clearly doesn't need the money would put themselves in that

(39:33):
position. But that's.
So when you said hazing, you're absolutely right.
They were not nice to doctor Nicole when she came on the show
because Alexia and Marisol and Idon't care how much money they
have. They were very intimidated by
her. They were jealous of her.
I thought the. Difference was Stephanie because
she seems to have theoretically as much money as Doctor Nicole.

(39:54):
She was a bit at least under control because she was Larsa's
friend. So there wasn't as much of A
threat. So Alexia and, and even though
they have their, their shoes, Alexia Marisol with Stephanie,
at the end of the day, they, youknow, they can keep her like
calm in a sense, whereas Nicole was, from what I hear, wasn't
having it. And they, I think that when you

(40:15):
have a housewife who's going to like, try to challenge the
status quo and the Ogs, they getreally threatened by it.
She definitely challenged Alexia.
Dr. Nicole definitely challengedAlexia.
And I was. She needs that second of it,
yeah. But that's the thing too, it's
like if you realize if you really believe in like what's
good for the show, you want to have different points of view to
make it interesting, you have tolike remove yourself.

(40:37):
I think from I don't like this girl to like, but everyone, a
lot of people do like her. She has fans.
It's a different point of view. It adds drama to the show.
Like this isn't best friend show.
It's housewives. So right.
So like, they try to, it seems to me watching Miami and how
they operate off camera, they try to play casting director and

(41:00):
ice people out and get people inand it's like just sit back and
be a housewife, you know, don't.Produce and know your role,
Marisol acts. You know, off camera.
I think when she does these podcasts and stuff, Marisol acts
like she actually has something to do with the casting.
Yeah. Well, I will she a friend of.
She is a friend of, but after the big bombshell that came at

(41:22):
the end about the Hamptons trip,I went back and I rewatched that
episode. I watched the couple episodes
from Season 4, and that was Doctor Nicole's first season.
And in the Hamptons, Marisol really started and I forgot, you
know, because I hadn't seen it in a while.
Marisol really started in on Doctor Nicole saying that I
heard that you did this, I heardthat you did that.

(41:45):
And really it comes down to is that Marisol is very close with
production. Marisol is the one who moves the
storyline along. Anna has said it, many people
have said it who have worked on the show.
Marisol and production are very tight.
And Marisol did not want Doctor Nicole there because like you
said, she was threatened by her.She's successful.

(42:07):
She's independent and she's articulate.
And she, she did whatever she had to do and she immediately
went after her. I mean, at the Hamptons house,
she said to her, oh, let's play a game.
Who at this table do you trust the least?
Is that where that comes from? Yes, yes.
OK, I've heard about that. OK.
Yeah, Marisol said. We need to rewatch.

(42:28):
That we shared. Yeah, yeah, you have to rewatch
it. It's season 4 and we're watching
it. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. It's season 4 and she just
starts out by stirring the pot and and trying to paint Doctor
Nicole in a bad light. And Doctor Nicole comes back
with, well, you know, Alexia said the only reason you got
married to Steve is so that you were relevant.

(42:51):
And Alexia's like, I didn't say that to you.
And she's like, now she's tryingto come between me and Marisol.
And we've been friends for 20 years, you know?
And then, of course, then she has Alexia going after Doctor
Nicole because she stood up for herself.
So you'll see. Larsa gets in on it, too.
Larsa. Is it that season or the other

(43:12):
season? Larsa says.
I heard you slept at the whole hospital or something.
Yeah. Larsa does.
She said that. Yeah, she did A lot of people.
Yeah. There's.
A lot of ground to cover, you know, doctors, nurses, female,
male. That's a lot of people, yeah.
You know, all the franchises have have the similar problem
where they're always trying to take down another housewife or

(43:34):
another. And I know that's part of the
drama for some people. I just would prefer if every
every time they just made themselves more interesting.
Like don't just track the fact that you don't have anything
going on other than the same oldshit over and over and over
again. Just get something new so we can
focus on what makes you a good housewife and not what makes
this other person necessarily anallegedly bad housewife or

(43:57):
boring or whatever it's like. Right.
Like bring something to the conversation, yeah.
Totally agree. And listen, Wendy and I have
said it a million times, that's what Housewives was when it
first started. It was just successful, you
know, affluent women who were raising their families, some
working, some not, some married,some not, but they were just

(44:20):
women with wealth and we got to see their lives.
Gina Keogh was married to an ex ballplayer raising 3 kids in
Cotto de Casa and opened up her whole home to us, you know.
Meanwhile, her husband was an alcoholic their whole marriage
and you know, got to learn that.But she was such a good

(44:42):
housewife, Gina. That's what we like to say.
I swear I think Tamara's the onewho started this whole coming
after the other housewives. But maybe I shouldn't put all
the blame on her. I just remember, did you go to
Bass Lake? Like, to me, that changed the
whole game in Housewives. And we're still looking.

(45:02):
We're still talking about it. Yes.
I didn't watch OC when we first started watching.
He was like I like why don't we watch the OC?
And he was like, he's like, I can't tell any of them apart.
They all look exactly the same. I don't like anybody on the
show. So we didn't start watching
until Tamara came back. And the only reason is because
we listened to two T's and when she's on her podcast she seems

(45:23):
very, very reasonable. But then when she gets on the
show, she gets into on screen Tamra mode and it just gets a
little wackadoo if you ask me. But.
But yeah, we still defend it. It's funny you say that because
Wendy and I think we agree on this.
Tamra came on Season 3, you know, guns blazing, and by the
time they got rid of her, I think it was time for her to

(45:45):
take a break. I was not a fan of Tamra.
By the time they got rid of her,I was happy to see her go.
However, then I started listening to two teas in a pot
and I'm like, Oh my God, like this is like a different Tamara.
Like I'm really enjoying her. Right.
She's likable. Better back on the show and I'm
like, Yep, same old Tamara. Yeah, they're just Tamara.

(46:05):
Those lights must come on. And she just must just.
Something happens in her brain and.
I think that's what it is. So I think that's what it is.
Yeah. Now she she thinks she's doing
her job, so you can't. You got to give her credit for
being a good employee. Yes.
She gets employee of the year. So basically the Julia and

(46:27):
Gertie storyline is that Gertie is not going to accept the
apology and she's not putting a Band-Aid on it.
And I'm glad that she's not. I'm glad that she's not going
to. Yeah, I'm glad that she's not.
Apologies for the sake of apologizing.
I get that they need to move on,but sometimes you can just tell.
It's like this is going to be brought up again 20 more times.
Like I'd rather just sit with itand go through it then have to

(46:50):
pretend we're over it just for it to come back three weeks from
now and we gotta, you know, go through it all over again so.
Or just say we'll try again at some point.
We're not in the place to forgive.
But, you know, we're open to trying again, right?
That's honest, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
So then we move on to Stephanie,and Andy starts out with

(47:11):
Stephanie flaunting her wealth. That was really the big
storyline, the viewer said. Stephanie is plain focused.
Emphasis on the plane. I like a good pun.
And Stephanie's response is, I thought it was very odd.
She's like, well, you know, likea football player when he wins
the Super Bowl, like, he wears his rings because he's proud of

(47:31):
what he's done, and I'm proud ofwhat I've done.
What I think we should all agreethat housewives should never use
analogies, right? Because they are unsuccessful
every time. Yeah.
Every time. It's the the Jackie Accord.
Yeah, it just it never lands. Yeah, that Jackie 1 was bad.

(47:56):
No. No, this one wasn't great
either. No, no, but I mean, I, I feel as
though, like they obviously brought her on the show and
said, you know, we need to give you a, a very digestible
personality for the first few episodes.
Like we need to give you a persona to follow.
And I think she's kind of being screwed by production in a sense
that like they definitely amped up her wealth, told her to talk

(48:18):
about it. I think that she could have in a
instead of choosing that analogy, she could have said
something, you know, much more diplomatic of like, look, you
know, I, I was new, I was nervous.
I just talked about my wealth a lot.
But I enjoy my life, I have a great life and I want to express
that on the show and you know, yadda, yadda, yadda.
And my business. But it gets a little tacky.

(48:38):
You. Know, I don't know if you guys
remember this, but do you remember when Dana Wilkie was on
Beverly Hills that one season asTaylor?
$25,000. Yes, and she got so much heat
for that. And then Andy brought her out on
the reunion and it was like a very honest moment.
She was like, listen, I was veryexcited to be around you women

(49:01):
and I knew how much you had and I, you know, wanted to fit in.
Like it was such an honest moment.
Like if you didn't like her before, you had no choice but to
like her after that. So I agree.
I think if Stephanie kind of came in and was like, listen, I,
you know, I was happy to be hereand I, you know, I was a little
nervous. It would have maybe landed a

(49:22):
little bit better, but I got. Carried away.
Yes, exactly. I got carried away.
I think she's coming back. I don't think there's a question
she's coming back. I think so too.
Yes, yes. I like her, she said.
What she did learn from watchingthe show is that her tone comes
across as harsh and that, you know, she attributes that to the
fact that she works in a predominantly male field and

(49:45):
that she can't be soft spoken and quiet.
But she also learned that she can treat friends as
transactional. And I think that that, you know,
I think that's good insight for her.
I think that, you know, she's excited for her sisters to
actually watch the show because they will see that it's not just
them that don't like her. Her friends don't like her
either because of the way she is.

(50:07):
Like at least they'll, you know,see that this is just, it's who
she's she is. It's not because of, you know.
Right that there she's not not being personal to them, it's
just this. Is right, it's just her
personality. So we'll see how that goes.
I'm not catch when when Stephanie was talking about, you
know, having to be powerful in amale dominated industry and

(50:27):
Gertie was agreeing with her andbasically said like, I feel the
same way. Did you catch like Alexia and
Marisol's reactions to that? No.
Like they thought it was ridiculous that Gertie was like,
I guess you know. Including herself.
Marisol did have a weird. Julia, too, had a weird.
You know, maybe it was Marisol and Julia.
Maybe. That.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. And but that was also the moment

(50:49):
when when Gertie was over on theother couch, just like kind of
interjecting every uh huh. She was, she was, she was
amening her a bit much. Yes, Yeah.
It's not your segment anymore, Gertie.
Yeah, let's. I know over time.
And now I don't like when they do that.
I really don't. Yeah.
Like silently agree. Yes, just not just not just not

(51:10):
just not. Then a viewer asks that they
don't believe that she met Masood at a basketball game,
that she was hired by the ex-wife as an assistant.
So she goes on to explain that she's never met Masood's
ex-wife, that that is not true, that he was actually separated
for eight years. And she said this on podcast.

(51:31):
Like, this is something she's been saying throughout the
season before, you know, she even met him.
And then Adriana jumps in and says, until we were out to
lunch. And then you saw her.
And she's like, yes, but I didn't meet her.
So they were at a restaurant andshe saw Masood's ex-wife.
And she's like, I don't want herto see me.
And even when she said that, I, I read online that people were

(51:53):
still criticizing her saying, well, she should have.
How do how would she know if shesaw?
Of course she's going to know what she looks like.
I mean, are you? Guys, what she looks like.
Right. And why would she go up to her?
She's never met her before. Why would she?
Like they thought she should have went up.
I'm like, no, why would you do that?
I I don't think anything that she did about that whole
situation was wrong. And I believe her.

(52:13):
I believe that she's never. As well I hadn't heard that
rumor that she worked for the ex-wife so that was all new to
me. But if she said she didn't, then
she didn't. And I'm a.
Standard how how many times there's just some little story
some fan concoct somewhere out of circumstantial at best
information that like turned it takes on a life of its own and

(52:33):
it just like how is this taking on so much?
It's so weird. But yeah, no, I totally believe
her. I she has no no reason to lie.
She doesn't have any reason to lie and his children I'm sure
are grown and maybe he had a very contentious divorce like I
mentioned before, my girlfriend who went through a three-year
divorce, like she can't wait until her youngest is 18.

(52:56):
So it's like like. Yeah, dumb stop, man.
Yeah. Good luck in the future.
Maybe that's the kind of divorcehe had where it was like our
kids are grown. Like I'll see you at their
weddings, when their kids are born, when they have birthday
parties. But we don't need to speak
anymore. So why would she have to have a
relationship with his ex-wife? And then on top of that, does

(53:18):
his ex-wife really want to see his new wife?
Like, oh, thanks for coming up to me at a restaurant.
The highlight of my day, you know.
Exactly right, yeah. Highlights.
No, I know. So then Stephanie says the
biggest surprise she took away from the season is how much I
love every single girl here. I didn't really think I was
going to love them and I I thought that was sincere.

(53:39):
Also I think because she was open that she didn't have
friends before. That's true.
It felt a little ass kissy to me, though, to the to the other
couch. It felt a little too much like,
Oh, Alexi and Marisol and I are besties now, and as much as they
went back and forth with her andI like that she still calls them
out, you know, it seems, but I just felt it was a little too
kiss assy on on that side of thecouch.

(54:00):
But you're right. I, I forgot that she was very
open about like, I don't really have friends, so it's nice to,
you know, be part of a group andnot necessarily be talking about
my, my career all the time, you know, that sort of thing, which
seemed to be the primary focus of hers.
Yeah, I think we're getting to apoint with Miami where the
newcomers think they have to kiss the ring of Alexia, like on

(54:21):
Jersey, where people for a long time there thought they had to
kiss Teresa's ring. I think that's where we're
headed with Miami and it's not good.
No, I agree. And and what's weird is that I
don't think Alexia has the same.I mean, while she's they call
her the Teresa clone, I don't think she has even half the
personality Teresa had and that's saying a lot like.

(54:42):
Nor the nor the fan support. I mean, you've never seen fan
support like Teresa has had, right?
So there's no, you know, she does not have that.
Yeah, so I'm just always confounded as to why everyone
think Alexia walks on water likethat.
I'm just like, I don't, I don't understand it so.
Yeah, how about when Lisa excused herself from the table
with Larsa when they were at lunch and goes in the bathroom

(55:03):
and calls Alexia and says she said that you guys don't like
me. It's like, why are you calling
Alexia? Not valid to the conversation
you're having with Larsa. So next, Andy moves on to Lisa.
Everyone knows Lisa lives in Lisa Land.
Have you listened to what Jody said about controlling the chaos
in your life? And she's like, yeah, I have a

(55:23):
therapist now. And that's been very helpful.
Like, I didn't realize that. Like, I don't want everyone
waiting on me. I didn't realize that I had such
a problem with, like, calculating my time properly.
And I had mentioned to Kelly a couple episodes ago, she had
said on a podcast that she's actually, she hired like a coach
to help her be on time more because she, you know, it was a

(55:45):
problem and she wants to addressit.
And I think, listen, I think that's growth.
You know, I think she is trying.I think she is trying.
And she also said, you know, compared to three years ago, you
know, when she was first separated, like she's a totally
different person. And IA 100% agree with that.
When that whole thing went down with Lenny, she was a mess

(56:08):
because she wasn't used to beingon her own.
She she, she just was a mess. And now she reminds me of a
little girl, Lisa. She just.
Reminds me of a little girl. Right.
Yeah, I think that she has no bad intentions, right?
Because she's late. She's late because she's late.
Like she's not late. She's not calculating, you know,

(56:29):
It just seems like this is too. I am and better for worse.
That's it. That's that's a very good way to
put it. She's not calculating and she
does not have bad intentions. There's not malice in her like
some of these housewives, right?And the fact that it's been
brought to her attention and she's working on it and she's
trying to do better, I think, you know, that speaks a lot for

(56:52):
who she is, Andy. I'm wondering how we get a job
as a time management coach. I know, right?
Crazy. It seems this is oddly specific,
Like I'm sure just a life coach,but you know.
Well, if you can have an accountability coach, yeah.
Very true. It's probably the same.
Are you on time for things? Is this something you want to
look into? I'm actually on time.

(57:13):
I'm pretty good. On We're good On Time.
I hate being late. I don't like being late either.
I get like I feel bad. I get like anxiety.
Yeah, no, I'm a nail biter. When you can tell when I've been
late, it's by the lack of fingernails that I have.
The lower they are, the more late I've been lately.
I can't physically. Now I got to make sure I'm on
time. All right, so Jody said Lisa

(57:33):
says Co parenting is not going well with Lenny and we kind of
move on from that. The next thing Andy brings up is
Martina recently posted on Twitter surrogacy is just wrong.
Sometimes you can't have it all.And he asks Lisa what her
thoughts are on that because both of her children were born
via surrogate. And I think it's interesting

(57:53):
that he did that because obviously his children were born
via surrogate as well and he couldn't put it coming from him.
So he had Lisa there to ask thatquestion.
I'm sorry, this was the second time I got annoyed by Andy
because he should have made it. He should have.
Yeah. I agree.
It was really quick, just like, you know, I don't agree with,

(58:14):
you know, Yeah, yeah. OK, moving on.
And then and also like he's, he's gotten, I think because of
whatever it was the whole, you know, lawsuit or whatever the,
the Leah, what's her face from New York?
McSweeney. Thank you.
Yeah, he's gotten so like, oh, that's an HR problem.
So he's gets really, really diplomatic in the largest air
quotes you can imagine about like not wanting to be

(58:36):
confrontational because he's, you know, I, you know, I'm, I'm
in a position of power. So I can't really have an
opinion about this. And it's like, no, I mean, I
think where it's important have the opinion about it.
I mean, this is very, very important to him and his, you
know, his life and you know. And many other housewives have
used have had the surrogate. So, you know, it's just very

(58:57):
offensive. And for just Julie to say like,
I disagree and oh, OK, Well, thank you for saying that,
Julia. I mean it's.
Yeah, totally brushed over it. Totally brushed it all.
And to put it all on Lisa, to have either to make it an issue
or not was kind of not right of him either.
I mean, I think he could have whatever she said, at least
chimed in and said, you know, hey, I think it's screwed up

(59:19):
too. But maybe it's already obvious.
I mean, maybe there's hours of Radio Andy where he's talked
about it and he doesn't feel like he needs to go on the
record anymore. But.
I do think he brought it up at Watch What Happens Live with
Julia. I do think that they discussed
it on What Happens Live, but I don't know if he made it
personal about himself. Like I just felt like he should
have had a personal opinion on. Agreed.
Yeah, I totally agree. And then he moves on to Julia.

(59:42):
We saw that you asked Derek to be the boy's godfather.
Did you and Martina ask anyone to be the godmother?
And she's like, well, not yet. And then he said, well, did you
guys consider Adriana? And she's like, no, she was not
considered. But I'm sorry, Adriana, you'd be
the godmother of Basquiato. Please do not that.
Was hysterical. That was so funny.

(01:00:05):
We, we have two cats and we're always like, oh, you're a good
little cat. Dad's like, no, we are cat
owners. We, we have two pets.
They're not our children. They're not this.
We get the people of their animals and we love ours, but we
don't need a godparent. For our animals, we do.
Not Oh my gosh, I am so glad to hear you say that because some
of these cat owners are crazy and Kelly and I are not.

(01:00:27):
We are not pet owners. We say we have children and
that's enough. We have children.
Like I'm sorry, that's enough. We're not pet owners.
We don't get it. We do not get.
It like we love our cats, but like there's a limit.
Right. And I'll tell you what, I would
love a pet. I hear people talk about their
vet bills. I'm like $3000 because your kid

(01:00:49):
needs insulin. Like, Oh my God.
Yeah, I could never. Yeah, we just came off the tail
end of one of those bills. So our cat passed recently, but
yeah. I'm.
Sorry. Yeah, it's sad, but but we're
good. We're in a good place now.
Yeah, but yeah. And also, what show was it where
she's dying? Her damn dog was at Atlanta

(01:01:10):
where she was like. Kelly dying, Yeah.
Kelly, Yeah. Everyone get kidnapped.
So he's easily identifiable. Yes, yes, that that's what
that's. Craziness.
So. But hey, not only is he pink, he
has fake lashes. That dog is miserable.
He's not going to get kidnapped.He's going to, God forbid, walk

(01:01:30):
the wrong way because he can't see through the lashes and get.
God, but yeah, know Adriana as godmother of those children.
It was like a dagger to the heart.
So Andy brings up the first timewe met Julia and Adriana were in
2021 when they got friend engaged, which also happens in

(01:01:52):
the Hamptons by the way, in season 4.
Because I saw that I was like, wait, what?
Who? When they showed the clip, I had
to shield my face. I was, I was just.
That was the most cringe worthy moment and I can't, I cannot
imagine watching it when it happened the first time.
Oh my God. It's like worse than me you.
Should watch that episode because Julia gets very, very
ill. She's hungover.

(01:02:15):
She's hungover but she will not admit it.
She won't admit it. And the night before is
supposedly when the first intimate encounter happened.
Yes yes. So Adriana brings up that she
was upset that Alexia saw the boys before she did.
Andy seems that Julia's close friendship with Marisol and

(01:02:39):
Alexia is what catapulted the demise of her friendship with
Adriana. I mean, I don't really think
that that's the case. I know that that's what Adriana
is saying is because she got close to them.
I think it's just Julia's behavior in general, like the
fact that she wasn't there for her and that, you know, she

(01:03:00):
didn't get to see the boys 1st. And but don't you think that's a
result of her getting closer with Alexia Marisol?
Don't you think that off camera in between seasons, Alexia
Marisol probably reached out to Julia and we're like, listen,
we'd love to get together. I mean, it could be just started
kind of pulling her in and. Pulling her in.

(01:03:23):
And she's like, oh, the popular girls like me now.
Exactly. She's got the pick me energy.
Yeah, it definitely could be Heather of Salt Lake City.
With Lisa Barlow. God, yes.
I know we're. Going to need a whole another
hour if we're going to start talking about that.
Lisa was popular in high school and she's actually talking to me
right now. Do you not understand all of

(01:03:44):
Salt Lake's obsession with being, like, besties with Lisa
or Jen Shaw or whatever the case?
I don't get it. Yeah.
Yeah. OK.
Crazy. So what do you think about the
bombshell shell? So then Julia drops the
bombshell that you know that herand Adriana slept together in

(01:04:04):
the Hamptons. And do you think it's true?
So I had it ruined for me because I was an idiot who was
scrolling on his phone a moment before in a commercial break and
I was like, damn it. So I did not have it.
But he he. Clutched his purse.
Yeah. Big gay gasp.
Yeah, yeah. You were like whoa, my God.
I didn't see that coming at all,so kudos to her for that was a

(01:04:27):
good bomb drop. I don't know if I believe it
because I don't believe much that comes out of Julia's mouth.
I couldn't tell by Adriana's reaction if I should believe it.
If she was, I don't know. I don't know.
The only reason I believe it is from scenes from next week or
clips that I've seen since Adriana's speaking very
candidly. And I think she says something
like that's not what started this.

(01:04:48):
And then it could be magical editing where we're led to
believe she's talking about somesort of intimate encounter.
But I I tend to believe that it happened, but I don't know that
it maybe happened to the degree that Julie is making it out to
be. Like maybe they made out a
little bit, maybe a little bit of this or that, but like Julia
really is over hyping it. I think that's my gut instinct

(01:05:09):
on that. Yeah, Do you believe it?
Thought my thought is if it happened in 2021, why is it all
of a sudden a problem now in well when they were filming this
in 2024 and now 2025? Like what's changed?
Like what's changed? Well, that's a good point.
Yeah. Why?

(01:05:30):
Yeah. Why all of a sudden like no if?
That did happen, right? If that did happen, what what
does that, what does that change?
Because she's saying, like, whatyou don't know is that we slept
together. OK, so you slept together.
What does that have to do with what is going on right now
between you 2? Right, because it seems like it
seems like we slept together onetime.
Not that we've been having an ongoing affair, but she does.

(01:05:54):
Say in the relevant, right, right.
How is it relevant? Like what does it have to do
with what's going on right now? I just think it's deflection.
Whether she slept with her or she didn't sleep with her, who
cares? What does it have to do with
what's going on right now? I mean, unless she's gonna spin
some sort of jealousy narrative in the next episode that, you
know, oh, you know, I didn't give any.
I didn't spend more attention onyou.

(01:06:14):
And I started giving it to otherpeople.
And you liked it when I, you know, flirted with you and gave
you attention. And, you know, that's the only
thing I could think that might make it relevant.
But you're right. You're absolutely right, it
isn't relevant. I hadn't thought about that
until just now. That's a really good point.
That just means. I told Wendy.
I told Wendy last week. My third eye was open.
I thought that that was what Julia was going to say.

(01:06:36):
I really thought that that's what she was going to say.
I don't know if I believe it, though.
I thought it. Was going to be something to do
with like the boys or something.I didn't yeah, I did not see
this coming. I think it she definitely got a
moment from it, you know, so maybe this is yeah at they want
a moment for themselves at the reunions.
They're like ass back. So maybe that was her like,

(01:06:59):
boom, look, that's what I'm. Thinking, yeah, so, so now
production will be like, well, you know, now we know this about
them, so we have to see how theyinteract next season.
Oh, see it play out. Yeah, with especially with
Martina because and Wendy and I have said this before, like we
really think Martina likes beingon this show.

(01:07:21):
We think Martinez really enjoying her spousal role in in
Miami. Yeah, I agree with that.
She never seems to be like otherlike other other spouses seem to
be like either begrudging 100% or they love the spotlight.
She seems to just like be very casually there and just really
at ease with being on camera, whereas if she didn't like it,

(01:07:43):
it. Would show for sure.
Yeah. And she would go along with
whatever tale Julia's spinning. So then would they go to we see
them in couples therapy next season?
Oh, I hope not. That would be interesting.
Part of me does believe it though, because I think Julia is

(01:08:03):
a very flirty person. I have no idea what goes on in
their marriage, but I do believethe Captain Sandy story from
that cruise. I do believe that she was trying
to get Gertie not to come to wherever she was coming because
she was going to. It was the Captain Sandy dinner.
So she don't want a witness there.
Yeah, so part of me does kind ofbelieve that maybe she did have

(01:08:24):
something with Adriana. I mean Adriana is very flirty
person too. Not that that means you would
sleep with a married woman, but I'm just saying.
Right. Maybe that's what Gertie, Gertie
and Adriana were talking about. The details don't matter
anymore. Maybe they were.
All three of them know somethingabout the Captain Sandy table.
Right, right. Because yeah, like Adriana was
like, you got to talk about the cruise and Courtney was like,

(01:08:46):
no, it doesn't matter. And but Adriana was very adamant
and like, come on, talk about the cruise.
I'll back you up. Don't you think that that
because at some point Adriana hands Julia box, something in
that box could have something todo with Captain Sandy Could?
I don't know why, it's just so dumb in my head.
I always just think there's a dead animal in it.
The way the way the reaction is,when she looks at it, she's

(01:09:09):
like. And it's a very ornate box.
Yeah. It was a very pretty box.
A dried squirrel or something that's I don't know why I'm so
dumb. It seems like something bad,
like something bad in the box. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess. Well, I mean, I guess they did
their job. We want to know what happens in
the next episode. And now they have a reason to

(01:09:31):
have three reunion episodes out of a season that probably didn't
need them. Yeah, that's gonna be a, that's
gonna be a 2 Fer. Yeah.
Aren't you surprised they dropped this in the first
episode and did it? Not if there's not, if there's
bigger stuff coming. That's true.
That's true. I think that there's bigger
stuff coming. Yeah, the next episode could

(01:09:51):
very well be like, did that really happen?
And she's like, well, no. And then they just quickly move
on from this and make a nothing burger out of it.
And so it's like, I hope that's not the case.
I hope there's some meat to thisand there's some more discussion
and it's not just some throwawayaccusation or.
Yeah, like Adriana's denying it and Julia saying it's true.

(01:10:11):
Like, yeah, we need more than that.
Like, And then why, if she was gonna do this, why didn't she
bring Martina on? Like, let's get Martina involved
in this. Yeah, someone had to stay home
with the boys. She's home with the boys by the
way. What are your thoughts on this?
People are like up in arms aboutthe fact that they changed the
boys names. Which is the guy also hadn't

(01:10:33):
heard about until it got mentioned in relation.
The reunion. The reunion, it's a little Yeah,
I. White savory, is that what
you're trying to say? It does seem a little like we're
to the rescue and we're going to, you know, erase your
previous life. Right, right, right.
Right, kind of, you know, and. This is who you're going to be
going forward now. Right.
And we're going to tell that to you and not let you be who

(01:10:55):
you've been, you know, so. Well, I kind of want to know
what their names were before this then.
For sure, I know, but I don't think she said it was for
security reasons. She said it was for security.
Reasons. But OK, that's bullshit.
I think that's bullshit. I mean well if it's a closed
adoption though. Right.
If it's a closed adoption and you don't want anybody ever

(01:11:16):
coming to find them. I mean, Martinez got a pretty
famous last name. So if you know the boy's first
name. Yeah, figure it out.
I mean, if it is truly just quote UN quote a stage name, you
know for the sake of the show, fine.
But if they're but you're. Legally.
They legally. Change them and that seems
really really. Because they're, they're like,
not little babies. They've been known exactly.

(01:11:38):
Names. I mean.
For quite. Some time 3.
Yeah, right. Little it's it's little sauce.
It's sauce. Yeah, so.
That's the one thing I want to know more because I don't like
Julia, but I do want to know about the whole thing with her
daughters and, you know, the fallout and like, why they're so
upset and because she really kind of just danced around and

(01:11:58):
like, oh, these, you know, we have a falling out.
I'm like, let's get more into that.
Why were they so upset about this adoption?
And totally agree. We need more on that.
Yeah, that's the other thing that that comes out in Season 4
that I totally forgot about. So Julia mentions that, you
know, she had lost a baby. So she has three children with
three different fathers that shenever married.

(01:12:20):
So her two daughters. Oh, I didn't realize.
That there's a third. That she lost.
She lost. She lost.
She had a baby that she lost because of the nanny.
But all three of her children had different fathers, none of
which she married. I didn't realize.
I mean, I thought the 2 girls, the two.
She mentioned it on season. Yeah, she mentioned it on season

(01:12:41):
4. I was like, oh, I forgot that.
Yeah. There's so much about Julia like
below the surface. Yes, well, that's.
What I'm saying? That's what I'm saying.
I think that there's more. I mean, listen, she's a
beautiful woman. She obviously was a model.
And yeah, you know, I think that, you know, maybe there's
some sort of trauma that came from her childhood over in

(01:13:02):
Russia with, I don't know, You know, I think that you're right.
I think there's a lot about Julia what we don't know.
Anger issues, Trauma makes sensetoo.
Yeah, for sure. Not that I'm saying it'd be nice
to for her to share some of that, but you know, again,
getting to know her more, right,you know, at some level or
another would be very interesting as opposed to, you

(01:13:23):
know, mudslinging. It'd be real.
Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, your real reality. Because we say this all the
time. Like, we don't treat our friends
like this. Yeah.
Like, this is we had to take a dirt up on Wendy from when she
was 19 years old. And you know this is not how
women behave in friend groups. Yeah, I know.

(01:13:44):
We ask ourselves that all the time.
Like, do you have any friend in the world who would react like
that or do this or do that? Hire API, yeah.
Yes, exactly. You have the time.
Or the money, if you're from NewJersey, you do not hire private
investigators to look into anybody.

(01:14:04):
You just smile and wave and let them go on their business, go
about their business. Well, that's our other thing is
like there's so many Pete times on these shows where people it's
like, what's it matter to you what this person did or did not
do? And it's like, OK, so she that
Adriana and Julianus Julia slepttogether.
Who cares? Fine.
Like what's it matter that that happened?

(01:14:26):
And so like, until you can bringit back around and give us a
reason why we should really careother than like, OK, hot gossip,
you know, then don't. So.
The only thing is, is if unless Adriana was like, listen, Julia,
if you're really, you're really going to be friends with Alexia
and Marisol, now you're really going to do this and go down
that road. I'll, I'll let it out that you

(01:14:46):
and I had an affair while you were married to Martina.
Unless that's what happened. But it doesn't seem like that's
what happened. No, it seems like there's
something else that at the finale party that Adriana like
kind of threatened. Like I could, I will take this
to the grave, but I could say it.
And so there's something beyond this sleeping together thing
that she has on on Julia, which I hope she drops it.

(01:15:11):
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see.
Episode. So.
We're going to have to wrap this.
Up. Yes, yes, we did.
I know. Supposed to be 45 minutes.
I know I've been, I've been watching Kelly the whole time,
wondering does she get Nancy over there like it's well over
45 minutes. I knew it was going to go longer
with four of us. Yeah, yeah.

(01:15:32):
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