November 21, 2025 • 29 mins
The final part of the The Real Housewives of Orange County reunion jumps right back into Gretchen’s controversial social media activity—though the women don’t linger there long.
(Season 19 - Reunion Part 3)
Gretchen deflects and tries to make it about Tamra, just as production rolls the mysterious audio of someone accusing Tamra of leaking stories during filming. Tamra denies everything, but the women remain unconvinced. Emotions shift as Tamra eventually breaks down backstage, where Katie steps in to comfort her and bring the tension down.---------------------------This has been a production of Husbands Watching Media, LLC(really, still a hobby gone out of control)---------------------------Theme song "Hullaballoo" by Tiger GangLicensed through Soundstripe, Inc.RKSN3RRSNS7PJZECRKSN3RRSNS7PJZEC---------------------------Find us on Social MediaTikTok: @HusbandsWatchinInstagram: @HusbandsWatchingHousewivesFacebook: Husbands Watching Housewives---------------------------Visit our website https://www.HusbandsWatchingHousewives.com
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Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jack.
And we just watched another episode of The Real Housewives
of Orange County. The finale of the reunion.
Thankfully, thankfully. Yeah, we are over it.
Yeah, I'm so over it. Just so.
Over it also Jeff gave me his sick.
And I'm still sick. I'm still congested.
Yeah, it seems everyone who wentto Bravo Con, a lot of people
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came back with a little bit of the ick.
Yeah, so not COVID. Not COVID.
Just bad cold. Just ick so well.
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That was completely gobbly good.I get it, but no.
That was good. It was a good way.
I was thinking that was a good way of saying.
It. Oh really?
I hear. I thought it was the day Quil
speaking, so here we cool. Is it like really make it high?
The amount of Dayquil I've had in the last two days, it does a
little bit. But either way, that reunion
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episode, what do you think aboutit?
What are your thoughts? Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. It's just I, I felt like I was
like, what is happening? And I don't understand why
you're why are you doing this tous?
Bravo, question Mark. I mean, one of the things that
you were reading from the Internet while we were eating
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dinner, after we watched the show, we needed a cool down
period. We normally we normally come
right up and record the pod right after we watch the show,
but we hadn't eaten yet. And also on top of that, we just
didn't want to come up and just be like about.
Whatever, it really helped too, because, like, I'm, I'm, you
know, it's just a show in the long run and there's no need to,
like, get on it. Like, after his mother Effers.
(02:06):
Yeah. I don't know.
It's still young. It's.
Still young. It's still young.
But yeah, it was a little bit, Imean, just in general trying to
flip the script on us and the viewer.
It's not us, the two guys doing this podcast.
But like, it's been no secret that Gretchen has held views
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that are homophobic and anti LGBTQIA.
It's no secret it's been out there.
And so for them to have flipped the script and been like, you
know, making it all about whether or not these were
planted or whether or not this, you know, the direction actually
like these, etcetera, etcetera, is completely mind boggling
because everyone there I think has said in one way or another
(02:51):
that they know that to be true. There are a couple of the
housewives that are saying this isn't how I know Gretchen, but
even Heather has said very diplomatically, like we've had a
conversation about this, like I know this about you.
And I don't think they, I feel like Heather, I want to want to
have another. Like, what is this friendship?
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And like, what are you getting from it?
Like what degree of friends are you, because this idea of of
I've known for so long, but isn't seem that is if you care
so much or wants to know her beliefs and you just, you know,
shut your eyes and ignore and only focus on she's been so good
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to our family. I don't care, Heather, if she's
been good to your family, that'sgreat.
But like how she acts to everyone else's families and the
validity of them. That or the the value that she
places on them or lack of is what's really daunting.
And you, that's such a place of privilege to say it only matters
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what you think about my family, because that's what she was
saying, basically. Well, I mean, I can see that.
I could see there being a way saying that, like if she feels
this way about the community in general, she's.
Never treat my she's never. Treated my so that's what's
confusing. I mean, hold on.
I could see, I could see that asbeing something that someone
would say, is it like for someone to go out around and
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like and and like all the this hateful speech, but then and
turn around and come to my home and talk to my family and treat
my family like normal. But how much is she interacting
with his family? That's what I want to know, the
level, this friendship. I don't think she's as close
with Heather as she is with, say, Jen or, you know, her other
whatever. Her real for off real.
For the show, yeah. It's like this relationship I
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think can be very transactional because she's wanted to be back
on the show forever. So I don't buy like, I don't
care if she made Heather's kids who are in the community a
freaking cake and wore a rainbowdress and you know, like.
Like a drag queen at brunch. Once it it doesn't matter.
It matters is she has. We know she does.
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And I don't care if maybe one tweet that you're hanging your
hat on wasn't real, allegedly, it doesn't dismiss what we know
of her. People have been talking about
this forever. That's why when she came back to
the show, it was like, what are they doing with this person?
And I just like the Heather or sorry, not Heather because she
has no backbone. I love that, Tamra said.
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Shut up, you're a homophobic bitch.
Yeah, this is not me calling her.
Imagine this is I'm putting Tamra.
But you're liking that Tamra did?
No. I'm I'm liking someone, I like
that someone started dancing around it and just said the
point of this all is you're homophobic.
And when they start hashing out into, you know who knew what,
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when, and why, this was held back until such a date.
And duh, duh duh it doesn't. Matter.
You're trying to like, excuse me?
She became the victim over like over the course of minutes and
Andy just enabled the whole situation in the end when he
said like, oh, you did good. What did she do good about?
Like her fake tears, her making herself the victim.
She's not the victim. These people in the community
who are marginalized, who are threatened by people like her
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and with power, are the real victims she doesn't give a damn
about. I could have.
I could have stomached it betterhad Gretchen taken some sort of
like accountability. The only accountability she took
was, oh, I may have liked these accounts because maybe they
posted something about God or Jesus, but I never saw
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everything they posted. And it's like, no, but you liked
some of these posts that they posted.
That's the whole point of this. It's not just that you followed
accounts that happened to post these things.
You liked the posts on these accounts.
And I do hear what they're saying that when you're
following 4500 accounts, you're not seeing the content of all.
That's a lot of accounts. It is a lot of accounts.
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That's really questionable too. Well, I mean, it's, you know,
she's an influencer and everything.
She probably follows back peopleat if you think about all the
people that you might follow, you know that you're like, you
see a couple posts like, oh, this is cool.
But like, you know, if you kept seeing garbage from them, you
would unfollow them pretty quickly and then you wouldn't be
found liking the garbage that they're posting.
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And that's the problem that I have is that she very clearly
did that and she could admit to following these horrible people.
I think if she had just if she were able to explain that, yes,
you know, I didn't follow and like these things, it's not how
I truly feel. Like when this was in the past,
even if she'd done her best to spin whatever garbage nonsense
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she wanted to that, that's not who I am today.
I would have appreciated that 10times more.
I wouldn't have believed her, but I would have appreciated it
10 times more than this whole picking nits over, you know?
Who, when where exactly and whether I was framed or not
right by my I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on
cyber analysis points at all at Tamara.
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When is shit I mean. Yeah.
And then I I do like that they did bring up at least that, you
know, they couldn't substantiatethe posts that Tamara had.
But that doesn't mean it just means that it's not there
anymore. Someone deleted it, took it
down. They couldn't find evidence that
it ever existed. Doesn't mean it wasn't there so.
It was super quiet through this whole thing.
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Shannon and Emily in that same boat, and Jen too.
Jen with her assist of what did you find?
Yeah. I mean, what did you do some,
you know, research about this? Did you?
She may as well have said that. Did you hire a cybersecurity?
Oh, why yes, I did. Jen, thanks for.
Asking it's so I just don't havethis dossier right here, this 25
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page document. So I totally get how it makes
Tamara look bad, how that the story they're telling makes
Tamara look bad. About this particular thing, or
were we going to get to the other thing?
Which other thing? The leaking is.
Oh yeah, that too. But I mean it all plays hand in
hand, so the leaking, no. No.
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What do you think about the whole Gretchen thing?
How does Tamara look? Well.
I think they're just saying, I think it's because I'm just
thinking Tamara is in general and no one believes her.
So they can go ahead and say that like Tamara is playing at
all, she's behind it all and Tamara is going to play the
Stuart thing. I didn't.
I don't. Think it makes her look.
I can see what people would wantto because they just hate Tamara
so much. They hate Tamara more than they
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do Gretchen, which is like mind playing to me.
But it's just disgusting. She just everything about
Gretchen, like it's just the it's kind of would say
disgusting. Yeah.
And I just, I'm not going to stomach it.
You can't fool me. You can't make me believe
anything else. I know who she is.
She's shown who she is, and I believed her the first time,
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Right. So I don't care if she's been
nice to my family. She could make us a damn cake.
I would be like, I don't want your cake.
It's not Melissa. Gorgeous cake.
Yeah. Go, go, go away.
Yeah, like Price. I don't believe a thing she
says. Yeah, And I just.
I'm disgusted. Disgusted.
And it's really, I mean, it's not that Andy doesn't do this
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with other elements of the housewife franchises, but it's
also kind of gross that Andy is kind of giving her a pass trying
to help Gretchen. Through it, he was so much
assists, like so much like, well, you know, just trying to
like boost her and, you know, giving the benefit of the doubt,
you can like whatever you want. Yes, it's a free country.
You can like whatever you want. But as a gay man with children
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who people that she's these accounts that she's liking don't
think you're an actual real family, plain and simple.
So I know it's your job to try to, you know, see all points of
view and like just moderate thisthe situation, but to.
Help her through it. Is really gross and he like just
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again, don't play in my face. I'm not going to buy it.
If I hated Tamara, I would stillbe like I know who Gretchen is
and she's no victim never has been.
So she can fake those tears and put herself in the eye to make
them calm. I I don't believe you.
So you're disgusting. Fiance forever fiance.
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So moving. I don't believe, yeah.
Moving on to the whole Tamara, Tamara was leaking.
Things they were so quick to move on.
They just wanted to get right tolike I no, I don't believe that
either. And I think she was just so
like, so upset by it because it's for once she's like, I, I
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didn't do this right? I'm not the shitster here.
I wouldn't leak information and jeopardize my job.
But she's like being fired at once, right?
Right. You know.
And I, I do believe how she rolls.
Yeah. And I do, I do believe her when
she says like, you know, why would I, you know, risk my job?
And then, you know, nothing's happened for 15 years until now.
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Which Andy agreed with her. Yeah.
So you OK? Yeah, I'm fine.
Yeah, we're sick of this. It's making us sicker.
Yeah. There's just.
I don't understand how they're all just so quick to believe
this mystery voice and. That's what it is.
Well, I mean, I get what they'resaying is that everything
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sounded very I like that they put the timeline to it and that
the things that this voice told them were things that no one
else could have known except people on the cast and
production. Now, the thing that kind of
weirds me out is that everyone was just so everyone, it's just
so easy to blame Tamara because Tamara makes itself her so easy
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to be blamed, right? And yeah, she's the villain.
And so everyone's so willing andable to point a finger at her.
And so sorry that my cough, I didn't expect to start coughing
like this. Yeah.
So I need you to talk more. Yeah, I I don't care if Tamara
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is the villain like she's again,she's not going to jeopardize
her position on the show, nor does she need to.
You know, it's not like she doesn't care that she's the
villain. She's not looking thing in
things to make herself look better.
You know, I said it before this does not serve Tamara to leak
this information. So she would not do it if she's
nothing if not self-serving. So right.
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So to make this case of, you know, and then the whole the
Gretchen of it all, like with Gina, I'm like, you know, I feel
set up, but I'm like, you stop. The the person who explained it
best was Shannon, who said that the whole the the way that this
serves Tamra is that she goes ahead and tells these people
things throughout the filming sothat when things do happen,
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they'll support Tamra and make her look better on the other
side of it all, no matter what it is.
So when I hear When I heard that, I started thinking of
course, the. Who?
The source? Well.
Who, who has the most to gain out of all of this are the
people on that couch, not the not the Tamara couch.
It was like you said, Gretchen, Emily and Shannon and I and Jen
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and I think Shannon was being a little too quiet this entire.
Has, I believe it could as you point it could totally be
Shannon because there's also Shannon specific.
It's all very Shannon specific and things that like Shannon did
specifically got leaked that Tamara was there for.
So it was enough that they couldsay that.
Oh well, no one else except us knew about it.
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And I know I wasn't. It's like, sure you weren't, you
know, we can believe you. As if Emily, as if she didn't
tell anybody else that she did this, because I'm sure she told
Emily because she tells her everything.
And also just. Yeah, you're right.
It just it does not just the conspiracy theorist, but like it
does really serve Shannon because she hates Tamra so much.
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And the bad acting in both on the and in that, in that that
flashback, like, yeah, like clutching the pearls and.
Like, but also they they might have, they may not have been
surprised that Tamra would do something like that.
So when they find out Tamara where, they're like, oh, what a
surprise. Tamara actually so.
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Shannon was acting as if she just found out who shot JFK.
That was her freaking reaction. I'm so sick of that.
Well. I mean.
I'm so tired of her. I the whole this whole Blogger
leaking stuff needs to stop. And that's where, like, you were
kind of irritated with Heather giving her lecture to the women,
which I was kind of into it. It seemed to me to be the way
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that they're going to get past this and move forward, as if
they all just agreed to put thisbehind them.
And like, everyone needs to stopdoing it.
Whoever it was needs to stop doing it.
And that's why that's why I'm hoping next season's to start
with like it was Shannon and yeah, OK.
I would love if that was the reveal.
It was like freaking Earl the Pearl.
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Who was on that? Yeah.
That was his voice. You owe me a solid.
OK, so. And then Shannon said that she
was sad about not going to the upper.
Yeah. Whatever.
No, Heather's little lecture didnothing for me.
Yeah. This is what the show should be
about. But people have been talking to
bloggers since the dawn of time.Yes, you know, but should not
be. We should not treat this like
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survivor. You should not be able to get
one another and use the press orcontent creators to do so.
But I don't need a lecture from Heather Dubrow about it, right?
Because anything after that Gretchen thing where she just
like let that roll off her back and roll off the backs of her
children, the one who was the ones who actually count here,
the ones who were actually in the community, She lost all
credibility to me because all who came was became was I don't
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want to hear it. I don't want to see it.
She's been nice to me. Screw you, Heather.
I really took, I really took that as Heather saying I didn't
want to get into it and like just basically because she knew
it would end like badly. Yeah, but like, it ends badly in
that you, you lose a friend. But what your friend is she
doesn't totally stand by you andyour family.
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I don't think she does. I'm still Yeah, no, I'm.
I'm not a privilege. It's just it's baffling.
Yeah. So, no, I don't care about
Heather's lecture, but I understand I the point she's
making. Yes.
We need to stop making housewives so much about what
happens off camera because it's confusing to the audience and it
it doesn't serve us. It should be about what happens
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within the group and, you know, having conflict within the
group, not because you spoke to a blog or you were out to get me
and use this content creator. Yes.
And get behind it. I'm not.
I like the message. I don't like the message Right
now. I can't deal with her.
She can go to the other couch. So can so can Gina trigger
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trauma? You trigger trauma, Gina.
I I did enjoy when they were talking about, you know, you
know, I don't go to bloggers andthen I've never done that,
Heather. At one point I don't either.
But I really wanted to say, but you just call the paparazzi.
Katie should have said that. I mean, what does Katie got to
lose? Katie didn't have much to say
during this. I'm surprised Andrey even asked
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her for her opinion about like what happened in Amsterdam, you
know, with the. I think.
And she just gave me like, I don't stand behind that
rhetoric. Yeah, thanks very much.
She called Gretchen a homophobe in an interview.
Yeah, straight up, because she is.
Yeah, allegedly. No, not allegedly.
I don't wanna get sued. Can't get sued over that.
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OK then. Yeah, yeah.
So. I was the only person I, the
only people I cared about were Gretch or Tamara and Katie.
I felt really bad for Tamara because she was very upset that
she'd been ambushed like this, not just by her cast, but by
production. And I mean, honestly, I would be
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like, what are you doing to me? Like I I've been a team player
and yes, I screwed up the seasonand I quit and I caused you so
much drama and so much problems and, you know, so many
headaches. But I was in a bad place and now
I'm moving forward and I'll be better next season.
But you were treating me like some first season bitch and
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that's not cool. You know, after all she's given
to this franchise, You know, it's just it's really, really
it's gross what they did to her.Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
know that I agree on that high of a level as you.
I think it's gross what they did.
But again, I think cuz she makesit so easy to believe.
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No, I didn't. I'm saying, but I'm still saying
it's effed up for production to make this like.
To to use this to teach her a lesson of sorts.
Yeah, I'm not saying like like they that they that they were
the voice necessarily, but I'm saying to put this in a way,
when you have Andy and the cast and like all this, like, you
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know, these flash these scenes to show that like, oh, Tamra's
the bad one. And it's like I didn't go from
the segment of Gretchen is clearly a crappy person to.
But no, it's all about these leaks and it's all about Tamra
on this episode. What are you trying to do to
her? Do you?
Want her off the show? I can see that.
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I can see your point on that. Yeah, yeah, that's my thing.
And I just, I just, I don't see how you do that.
Yeah, it's. Like I don't think even when I
got that on her last season. Well, I mean thing, you know,
camera's going to be back. I I don't.
I don't know if. She's in 20, you think she's
going to be gone with Vicki coming back and everything.
(20:39):
I don't know. So I this is the show has shown
that you can't trust where it's going to go.
Yeah, it's true. I could see both, you know, in a
horrible world where Tamara and Katie don't come back, you know?
Yeah. So I don't want to watch a show
with Gretchen, period. Yeah, I can agree with that as.
Well, so I just again, you're not going to play in my face.
I'm not going to normalize this person.
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I guess I have because we've been talking about her for, you
know, all these episodes and I just say like, Nope.
But like, I thought like she would be from not just the
homophobic stuff, the transphobic stuff, but also like
her ability to move on. I thought like, she just got to
be 1 and done. This is not doing well for her.
And so to have like this little fucking redemption arc in this
last episode, it's like, oh God,no, you've lost me.
(21:23):
You've lost the plot if this continues on, if she's like even
a friend, orange holder, whatever.
I can't do it. Like I am not about that one
less housewife show to watch. Which, yeah, sometimes I could
go for one less show to watch. Yeah.
So you're saying either she werea friend of you?
No. Interesting.
(21:43):
I don't want to see her on the show again.
Go back to Instagram and Twitterand do your do your dirty deeds
that you've been doing for yearsand stay there, right, Right.
Not to say that a lot of people don't share her views, IE the
silent ones, Shannon and Emily, this whole scene, but I looked
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past that. But to have it's like so
flagrantly put in right on our face and to be told to disregard
that, disregard that, that's just like, no, it's not.
So they mad at her. I'm at the show for trying to
like punk me like that and gaslight me like that.
You know I'm not going to play that game.
Yeah. It's just a show.
I don't have to watch the show, right?
(22:24):
Right. No, it's interesting to see you
like this because we very much, we don't usually get, you know,
fired that person. We don't want to see that
person. But I mean there is a line.
It's a line. And it's like, you know, this is
like, no, yeah, it's a lie. I mean, it even comes down to a
lot of the, you know, on the other franchises with, you know,
because Jen, we just heard that Jen Shaw got is getting released
(22:45):
early, you know, from, you know,for two years into her six year
sentence. Is that what it is?
I think like 2 1/2 and. There's so many people like, oh,
is Jen coming back? And it's like the line to be
drawn, I think is criminal indictment, you know, and.
Well, it's defrauding the elderly because Teresa is also a
criminal. Well, yeah.
(23:06):
But as is Karen, And she'll be back.
But yeah, you're right. So I there are different lines.
The deeds you did. Did any, you know, there's
something to be said for you, short your time and you know,
you're rehabilitated, whatever. But I don't think that Bravo
needs to be glorifying and glamorizing these sorts of
crimes or certain things that these housewives do that are
unsavory to the masses at large.Yeah, that's why, like when she
(23:29):
said on What Happens Live that she'd rather have Shen back over
Monica. I'm like girl, you Angie, but
get your head out of your ass. That was something else someone
was saying is that Angie is pretty conservative when it
comes down to it, which is I find hard to believe somebody
owns a hair salon. I've.
Heard that her husband is yeah. It's just kooky to me.
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I think a.
Lot of them are. It's definitely a difficult
(23:50):
thing to navigate, but I mean for Bravo and for us as fans,
but you know, it's good to see that you have a shark line as to
whatever. People say like, I'm gonna stop
watching if she comes back. I'm like, oh, that's so dumb.
But I'm like, this is just not, it's not like I'm annoyed
heavily by Lisa Barlow 'cause I,I don't, but I'm not like
(24:11):
offended to my core by Lisa Barlow.
And to see, you know, Tamu Barbie, you know TAMU
homophobic, transphobic Barbie on my screen and like, support
her and like put her picture up.Effigy.
Is not. It's not how it's a.
(24:32):
Choice that you have and you, yeah, it's a choice you're going
to make. Yeah, I'm not going to do.
That understandable, yeah. That would be dramatic.
I thought it would cool down like after dinner and taking a
break. Are you OK?
I'm going to be fine. This cold will leave me
eventually. I'm sorry that we recorded, but
you know, we had to before it, you know, became a moot point.
Yeah, yeah, I, I again, it's just a show.
(24:55):
It's just a. Show it's gonna.
Be fun. Yeah it's fine.
I'm don't need to get fired up about it.
But like for like 1 moment I need to vent about it and then
I'm like OK whatever it's just. A show well, and on top of it,
it's a show that we like, you know, and it's one team really.
We didn't watch OC. We started watching when Tamara
came back and you know, we were had high hopes for it and we
wanted to see, we want to see itcontinue an upward trajectory.
(25:16):
Right and I do I loved him and Ireally enjoy a lot of the girls.
Of course I love Katie and you know, and it's just there.
Last season was great at its moments and the season.
I think it's just been like not to the same degree.
And then to like do us like thisat the end of the season.
It's just like I can't go along with that.
(25:37):
Yeah, I think the mistake that they're making is bringing back
the old housewives. I mean, a lot of I can see how a
lot of people would want that. But Alexis was a miss.
I think Gretchen was definitely a miss.
I think I never really watched when Vicki was on.
And I think everything that happened to Bravo Con, everyone
seems so happy about Vicki. Hopefully they do it better with
Vicki next season. Well, I think Vicki's different
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too. She's she's her.
And she started this whole thingand with, you know, Gina Keogh.
And, and the fact that she's been doing those social media
stuff with Tamara to like kind of warm up the comeback and
everything just seems like that.She's, I don't want to say
willing to play the game, but you know, she's she's not going
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to come on with an agenda to like screw Tamara or screw over
anyone. It's going to be Vicki's back.
I hope so. I.
Hope it's not like yeah, me and Shannon against him.
Or vice versa. Even if it's her and Vicki
against Shannon, you know, Cameron, Vicki and Shannon,
that'd be awful. I don't want to see that either.
Yeah, I think it's just, it justdoesn't need to be a cold
takedown situation. It's like, let's have our.
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But again, if you're not willingto move forward, it's going to
turn into, you know, you can only try so many times.
That doesn't mean that you need to like, try to take someone
down, but you're going to fight back and you know, it's but and
then it just never gets resolved.
That's the thing. These conflicts are not getting
resolved. We've left the season with no
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resolution of the major conflicts, whether it be, you
know, Tamra and Gretchen or Tamra and Shannon or the BS that
I'm supposed to care about between Katie and that fool at
the end of the couch, sorry, at the beginning of the couch.
Oh, Jen, Jen. Well, either end of the couch.
Yeah. So like, I've just that whole
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thing when Jen tried to like, you know.
Get her with the whole I talked to Nicole and.
I don't give a damn about Nicoleagain off camera people.
Also I let Nicole Dr. her husband to jail and shut up
about. It I did like that Katie was
like, explain the exact oppositeof what Nicole had told her or
what, I'm sorry, what Nicole hadtold Ryan and Ryan told Jen.
You know this from Ryan from. Nicole, right.
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And so I like that Jen's answer was, well, I trust Nicole more
than I trust you. And so Katie's like, OK, then
like then nothing. No amount of me saying anything
that's going to matter. That was Katie.
I would just stop trying with that girl.
Yeah, Like, there's no, there's no point.
I'm. Pretty sure that.
She has no point. No, she was thinking probably
she still like had hopes to likehave a conversation.
So I just don't see how you makea resolution for somebody who's
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just that vehemently against you, right?
Like the little hatred that thatwhole couch had for Katie was
disturbing. I found it.
And then they tried to like, youknow, make amends at the end,
like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.
Or, you know, you're not as bad as Alexis Bellino.
Thanks, Shannon. Like.
I found it very interesting, theway they tried to walk it back.
Yeah. Just in case she comes back for
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next season or because, well. Because they look like Karen's A
couch of Karen's. Yeah, so.
Well, I don't know. Well, I'm, you know, I don't
know if we say this every time, but I'm, I'm glad this season is
over. I am so glad so.
I'm I'm happy to have one last show for a couple weeks until
Beverly Hills starts. Yes.
And then we just have Potomac and Salt Lake.
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Next week and. Thanksgiving and all these
things. I am thankful that Orange
counting is over. Agreed.
And then we'll talk about it allnext time or next time.
Welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jack.
And we just watched another episode of The Real Housewives
of Orange County. The finale of the reunion.
Thankfully, thankfully. Yeah, we are over it.
Yeah, I'm so over it. Just so.
Over it also Jeff gave me his sick.
And I'm still sick. I'm still congested.
Yeah, it seems everyone who wentto Bravo Con, a lot of people
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Yeah, so not COVID. Not COVID.
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That was completely gobbly good.I get it, but no.
That was good. It was a good way.
I was thinking that was a good way of saying.
It. Oh really?
I hear. I thought it was the day Quil
speaking, so here we cool. Is it like really make it high?
The amount of Dayquil I've had in the last two days, it does a
little bit. But either way, that reunion
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episode, what do you think aboutit?
What are your thoughts? Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. It's just I, I felt like I was
like, what is happening? And I don't understand why
you're why are you doing this tous?
Bravo, question Mark. I mean, one of the things that
you were reading from the Internet while we were eating
(01:45):
dinner, after we watched the show, we needed a cool down
period. We normally we normally come
right up and record the pod right after we watch the show,
but we hadn't eaten yet. And also on top of that, we just
didn't want to come up and just be like about.
Whatever, it really helped too, because, like, I'm, I'm, you
know, it's just a show in the long run and there's no need to,
like, get on it. Like, after his mother Effers.
(02:06):
Yeah. I don't know.
It's still young. It's.
Still young. It's still young.
But yeah, it was a little bit, Imean, just in general trying to
flip the script on us and the viewer.
It's not us, the two guys doing this podcast.
But like, it's been no secret that Gretchen has held views
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that are homophobic and anti LGBTQIA.
It's no secret it's been out there.
And so for them to have flipped the script and been like, you
know, making it all about whether or not these were
planted or whether or not this, you know, the direction actually
like these, etcetera, etcetera, is completely mind boggling
because everyone there I think has said in one way or another
(02:51):
that they know that to be true. There are a couple of the
housewives that are saying this isn't how I know Gretchen, but
even Heather has said very diplomatically, like we've had a
conversation about this, like I know this about you.
And I don't think they, I feel like Heather, I want to want to
have another. Like, what is this friendship?
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And like, what are you getting from it?
Like what degree of friends are you, because this idea of of
I've known for so long, but isn't seem that is if you care
so much or wants to know her beliefs and you just, you know,
shut your eyes and ignore and only focus on she's been so good
(03:32):
to our family. I don't care, Heather, if she's
been good to your family, that'sgreat.
But like how she acts to everyone else's families and the
validity of them. That or the the value that she
places on them or lack of is what's really daunting.
And you, that's such a place of privilege to say it only matters
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what you think about my family, because that's what she was
saying, basically. Well, I mean, I can see that.
I could see there being a way saying that, like if she feels
this way about the community in general, she's.
Never treat my she's never. Treated my so that's what's
confusing. I mean, hold on.
I could see, I could see that asbeing something that someone
would say, is it like for someone to go out around and
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like and and like all the this hateful speech, but then and
turn around and come to my home and talk to my family and treat
my family like normal. But how much is she interacting
with his family? That's what I want to know, the
level, this friendship. I don't think she's as close
with Heather as she is with, say, Jen or, you know, her other
whatever. Her real for off real.
For the show, yeah. It's like this relationship I
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think can be very transactional because she's wanted to be back
on the show forever. So I don't buy like, I don't
care if she made Heather's kids who are in the community a
freaking cake and wore a rainbowdress and you know, like.
Like a drag queen at brunch. Once it it doesn't matter.
It matters is she has. We know she does.
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And I don't care if maybe one tweet that you're hanging your
hat on wasn't real, allegedly, it doesn't dismiss what we know
of her. People have been talking about
this forever. That's why when she came back to
the show, it was like, what are they doing with this person?
And I just like the Heather or sorry, not Heather because she
has no backbone. I love that, Tamra said.
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Shut up, you're a homophobic bitch.
Yeah, this is not me calling her.
Imagine this is I'm putting Tamra.
But you're liking that Tamra did?
No. I'm I'm liking someone, I like
that someone started dancing around it and just said the
point of this all is you're homophobic.
And when they start hashing out into, you know who knew what,
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when, and why, this was held back until such a date.
And duh, duh duh it doesn't. Matter.
You're trying to like, excuse me?
She became the victim over like over the course of minutes and
Andy just enabled the whole situation in the end when he
said like, oh, you did good. What did she do good about?
Like her fake tears, her making herself the victim.
She's not the victim. These people in the community
who are marginalized, who are threatened by people like her
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and with power, are the real victims she doesn't give a damn
about. I could have.
I could have stomached it betterhad Gretchen taken some sort of
like accountability. The only accountability she took
was, oh, I may have liked these accounts because maybe they
posted something about God or Jesus, but I never saw
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everything they posted. And it's like, no, but you liked
some of these posts that they posted.
That's the whole point of this. It's not just that you followed
accounts that happened to post these things.
You liked the posts on these accounts.
And I do hear what they're saying that when you're
following 4500 accounts, you're not seeing the content of all.
That's a lot of accounts. It is a lot of accounts.
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That's really questionable too. Well, I mean, it's, you know,
she's an influencer and everything.
She probably follows back peopleat if you think about all the
people that you might follow, you know that you're like, you
see a couple posts like, oh, this is cool.
But like, you know, if you kept seeing garbage from them, you
would unfollow them pretty quickly and then you wouldn't be
found liking the garbage that they're posting.
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And that's the problem that I have is that she very clearly
did that and she could admit to following these horrible people.
I think if she had just if she were able to explain that, yes,
you know, I didn't follow and like these things, it's not how
I truly feel. Like when this was in the past,
even if she'd done her best to spin whatever garbage nonsense
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she wanted to that, that's not who I am today.
I would have appreciated that 10times more.
I wouldn't have believed her, but I would have appreciated it
10 times more than this whole picking nits over, you know?
Who, when where exactly and whether I was framed or not
right by my I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on
cyber analysis points at all at Tamara.
(07:54):
When is shit I mean. Yeah.
And then I I do like that they did bring up at least that, you
know, they couldn't substantiatethe posts that Tamara had.
But that doesn't mean it just means that it's not there
anymore. Someone deleted it, took it
down. They couldn't find evidence that
it ever existed. Doesn't mean it wasn't there so.
It was super quiet through this whole thing.
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Shannon and Emily in that same boat, and Jen too.
Jen with her assist of what did you find?
Yeah. I mean, what did you do some,
you know, research about this? Did you?
She may as well have said that. Did you hire a cybersecurity?
Oh, why yes, I did. Jen, thanks for.
Asking it's so I just don't havethis dossier right here, this 25
(08:35):
page document. So I totally get how it makes
Tamara look bad, how that the story they're telling makes
Tamara look bad. About this particular thing, or
were we going to get to the other thing?
Which other thing? The leaking is.
Oh yeah, that too. But I mean it all plays hand in
hand, so the leaking, no. No.
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What do you think about the whole Gretchen thing?
How does Tamara look? Well.
I think they're just saying, I think it's because I'm just
thinking Tamara is in general and no one believes her.
So they can go ahead and say that like Tamara is playing at
all, she's behind it all and Tamara is going to play the
Stuart thing. I didn't.
I don't. Think it makes her look.
I can see what people would wantto because they just hate Tamara
so much. They hate Tamara more than they
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do Gretchen, which is like mind playing to me.
But it's just disgusting. She just everything about
Gretchen, like it's just the it's kind of would say
disgusting. Yeah.
And I just, I'm not going to stomach it.
You can't fool me. You can't make me believe
anything else. I know who she is.
She's shown who she is, and I believed her the first time,
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Right. So I don't care if she's been
nice to my family. She could make us a damn cake.
I would be like, I don't want your cake.
It's not Melissa. Gorgeous cake.
Yeah. Go, go, go away.
Yeah, like Price. I don't believe a thing she
says. Yeah, And I just.
I'm disgusted. Disgusted.
And it's really, I mean, it's not that Andy doesn't do this
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with other elements of the housewife franchises, but it's
also kind of gross that Andy is kind of giving her a pass trying
to help Gretchen. Through it, he was so much
assists, like so much like, well, you know, just trying to
like boost her and, you know, giving the benefit of the doubt,
you can like whatever you want. Yes, it's a free country.
You can like whatever you want. But as a gay man with children
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who people that she's these accounts that she's liking don't
think you're an actual real family, plain and simple.
So I know it's your job to try to, you know, see all points of
view and like just moderate thisthe situation, but to.
Help her through it. Is really gross and he like just
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again, don't play in my face. I'm not going to buy it.
If I hated Tamara, I would stillbe like I know who Gretchen is
and she's no victim never has been.
So she can fake those tears and put herself in the eye to make
them calm. I I don't believe you.
So you're disgusting. Fiance forever fiance.
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So moving. I don't believe, yeah.
Moving on to the whole Tamara, Tamara was leaking.
Things they were so quick to move on.
They just wanted to get right tolike I no, I don't believe that
either. And I think she was just so
like, so upset by it because it's for once she's like, I, I
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didn't do this right? I'm not the shitster here.
I wouldn't leak information and jeopardize my job.
But she's like being fired at once, right?
Right. You know.
And I, I do believe how she rolls.
Yeah. And I do, I do believe her when
she says like, you know, why would I, you know, risk my job?
And then, you know, nothing's happened for 15 years until now.
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Which Andy agreed with her. Yeah.
So you OK? Yeah, I'm fine.
Yeah, we're sick of this. It's making us sicker.
Yeah. There's just.
I don't understand how they're all just so quick to believe
this mystery voice and. That's what it is.
Well, I mean, I get what they'resaying is that everything
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sounded very I like that they put the timeline to it and that
the things that this voice told them were things that no one
else could have known except people on the cast and
production. Now, the thing that kind of
weirds me out is that everyone was just so everyone, it's just
so easy to blame Tamara because Tamara makes itself her so easy
(12:39):
to be blamed, right? And yeah, she's the villain.
And so everyone's so willing andable to point a finger at her.
And so sorry that my cough, I didn't expect to start coughing
like this. Yeah.
So I need you to talk more. Yeah, I I don't care if Tamara
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is the villain like she's again,she's not going to jeopardize
her position on the show, nor does she need to.
You know, it's not like she doesn't care that she's the
villain. She's not looking thing in
things to make herself look better.
You know, I said it before this does not serve Tamara to leak
this information. So she would not do it if she's
nothing if not self-serving. So right.
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So to make this case of, you know, and then the whole the
Gretchen of it all, like with Gina, I'm like, you know, I feel
set up, but I'm like, you stop. The the person who explained it
best was Shannon, who said that the whole the the way that this
serves Tamra is that she goes ahead and tells these people
things throughout the filming sothat when things do happen,
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they'll support Tamra and make her look better on the other
side of it all, no matter what it is.
So when I hear When I heard that, I started thinking of
course, the. Who?
The source? Well.
Who, who has the most to gain out of all of this are the
people on that couch, not the not the Tamara couch.
It was like you said, Gretchen, Emily and Shannon and I and Jen
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and I think Shannon was being a little too quiet this entire.
Has, I believe it could as you point it could totally be
Shannon because there's also Shannon specific.
It's all very Shannon specific and things that like Shannon did
specifically got leaked that Tamara was there for.
So it was enough that they couldsay that.
Oh well, no one else except us knew about it.
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And I know I wasn't. It's like, sure you weren't, you
know, we can believe you. As if Emily, as if she didn't
tell anybody else that she did this, because I'm sure she told
Emily because she tells her everything.
And also just. Yeah, you're right.
It just it does not just the conspiracy theorist, but like it
does really serve Shannon because she hates Tamra so much.
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And the bad acting in both on the and in that, in that that
flashback, like, yeah, like clutching the pearls and.
Like, but also they they might have, they may not have been
surprised that Tamra would do something like that.
So when they find out Tamara where, they're like, oh, what a
surprise. Tamara actually so.
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Shannon was acting as if she just found out who shot JFK.
That was her freaking reaction. I'm so sick of that.
Well. I mean.
I'm so tired of her. I the whole this whole Blogger
leaking stuff needs to stop. And that's where, like, you were
kind of irritated with Heather giving her lecture to the women,
which I was kind of into it. It seemed to me to be the way
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that they're going to get past this and move forward, as if
they all just agreed to put thisbehind them.
And like, everyone needs to stopdoing it.
Whoever it was needs to stop doing it.
And that's why that's why I'm hoping next season's to start
with like it was Shannon and yeah, OK.
I would love if that was the reveal.
It was like freaking Earl the Pearl.
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Who was on that? Yeah.
That was his voice. You owe me a solid.
OK, so. And then Shannon said that she
was sad about not going to the upper.
Yeah. Whatever.
No, Heather's little lecture didnothing for me.
Yeah. This is what the show should be
about. But people have been talking to
bloggers since the dawn of time.Yes, you know, but should not
be. We should not treat this like
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survivor. You should not be able to get
one another and use the press orcontent creators to do so.
But I don't need a lecture from Heather Dubrow about it, right?
Because anything after that Gretchen thing where she just
like let that roll off her back and roll off the backs of her
children, the one who was the ones who actually count here,
the ones who were actually in the community, She lost all
credibility to me because all who came was became was I don't
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want to hear it. I don't want to see it.
She's been nice to me. Screw you, Heather.
I really took, I really took that as Heather saying I didn't
want to get into it and like just basically because she knew
it would end like badly. Yeah, but like, it ends badly in
that you, you lose a friend. But what your friend is she
doesn't totally stand by you andyour family.
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I don't think she does. I'm still Yeah, no, I'm.
I'm not a privilege. It's just it's baffling.
Yeah. So, no, I don't care about
Heather's lecture, but I understand I the point she's
making. Yes.
We need to stop making housewives so much about what
happens off camera because it's confusing to the audience and it
it doesn't serve us. It should be about what happens
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within the group and, you know, having conflict within the
group, not because you spoke to a blog or you were out to get me
and use this content creator. Yes.
And get behind it. I'm not.
I like the message. I don't like the message Right
now. I can't deal with her.
She can go to the other couch. So can so can Gina trigger
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trauma? You trigger trauma, Gina.
I I did enjoy when they were talking about, you know, you
know, I don't go to bloggers andthen I've never done that,
Heather. At one point I don't either.
But I really wanted to say, but you just call the paparazzi.
Katie should have said that. I mean, what does Katie got to
lose? Katie didn't have much to say
during this. I'm surprised Andrey even asked
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her for her opinion about like what happened in Amsterdam, you
know, with the. I think.
And she just gave me like, I don't stand behind that
rhetoric. Yeah, thanks very much.
She called Gretchen a homophobe in an interview.
Yeah, straight up, because she is.
Yeah, allegedly. No, not allegedly.
I don't wanna get sued. Can't get sued over that.
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OK then. Yeah, yeah.
So. I was the only person I, the
only people I cared about were Gretch or Tamara and Katie.
I felt really bad for Tamara because she was very upset that
she'd been ambushed like this, not just by her cast, but by
production. And I mean, honestly, I would be
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like, what are you doing to me? Like I I've been a team player
and yes, I screwed up the seasonand I quit and I caused you so
much drama and so much problems and, you know, so many
headaches. But I was in a bad place and now
I'm moving forward and I'll be better next season.
But you were treating me like some first season bitch and
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that's not cool. You know, after all she's given
to this franchise, You know, it's just it's really, really
it's gross what they did to her.Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
know that I agree on that high of a level as you.
I think it's gross what they did.
But again, I think cuz she makesit so easy to believe.
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No, I didn't. I'm saying, but I'm still saying
it's effed up for production to make this like.
To to use this to teach her a lesson of sorts.
Yeah, I'm not saying like like they that they that they were
the voice necessarily, but I'm saying to put this in a way,
when you have Andy and the cast and like all this, like, you
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know, these flash these scenes to show that like, oh, Tamra's
the bad one. And it's like I didn't go from
the segment of Gretchen is clearly a crappy person to.
But no, it's all about these leaks and it's all about Tamra
on this episode. What are you trying to do to
her? Do you?
Want her off the show? I can see that.
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I can see your point on that. Yeah, yeah, that's my thing.
And I just, I just, I don't see how you do that.
Yeah, it's. Like I don't think even when I
got that on her last season. Well, I mean thing, you know,
camera's going to be back. I I don't.
I don't know if. She's in 20, you think she's
going to be gone with Vicki coming back and everything.
(20:39):
I don't know. So I this is the show has shown
that you can't trust where it's going to go.
Yeah, it's true. I could see both, you know, in a
horrible world where Tamara and Katie don't come back, you know?
Yeah. So I don't want to watch a show
with Gretchen, period. Yeah, I can agree with that as.
Well, so I just again, you're not going to play in my face.
I'm not going to normalize this person.
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I guess I have because we've been talking about her for, you
know, all these episodes and I just say like, Nope.
But like, I thought like she would be from not just the
homophobic stuff, the transphobic stuff, but also like
her ability to move on. I thought like, she just got to
be 1 and done. This is not doing well for her.
And so to have like this little fucking redemption arc in this
last episode, it's like, oh God,no, you've lost me.
(21:23):
You've lost the plot if this continues on, if she's like even
a friend, orange holder, whatever.
I can't do it. Like I am not about that one
less housewife show to watch. Which, yeah, sometimes I could
go for one less show to watch. Yeah.
So you're saying either she werea friend of you?
No. Interesting.
(21:43):
I don't want to see her on the show again.
Go back to Instagram and Twitterand do your do your dirty deeds
that you've been doing for yearsand stay there, right, Right.
Not to say that a lot of people don't share her views, IE the
silent ones, Shannon and Emily, this whole scene, but I looked
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past that. But to have it's like so
flagrantly put in right on our face and to be told to disregard
that, disregard that, that's just like, no, it's not.
So they mad at her. I'm at the show for trying to
like punk me like that and gaslight me like that.
You know I'm not going to play that game.
Yeah. It's just a show.
I don't have to watch the show, right?
(22:24):
Right. No, it's interesting to see you
like this because we very much, we don't usually get, you know,
fired that person. We don't want to see that
person. But I mean there is a line.
It's a line. And it's like, you know, this is
like, no, yeah, it's a lie. I mean, it even comes down to a
lot of the, you know, on the other franchises with, you know,
because Jen, we just heard that Jen Shaw got is getting released
(22:45):
early, you know, from, you know,for two years into her six year
sentence. Is that what it is?
I think like 2 1/2 and. There's so many people like, oh,
is Jen coming back? And it's like the line to be
drawn, I think is criminal indictment, you know, and.
Well, it's defrauding the elderly because Teresa is also a
criminal. Well, yeah.
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But as is Karen, And she'll be back.
But yeah, you're right. So I there are different lines.
The deeds you did. Did any, you know, there's
something to be said for you, short your time and you know,
you're rehabilitated, whatever. But I don't think that Bravo
needs to be glorifying and glamorizing these sorts of
crimes or certain things that these housewives do that are
unsavory to the masses at large.Yeah, that's why, like when she
(23:29):
said on What Happens Live that she'd rather have Shen back over
Monica. I'm like girl, you Angie, but
get your head out of your ass. That was something else someone
was saying is that Angie is pretty conservative when it
comes down to it, which is I find hard to believe somebody
owns a hair salon. I've.
Heard that her husband is yeah. It's just kooky to me.
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I think a.
Lot of them are. It's definitely a difficult
(23:50):
thing to navigate, but I mean for Bravo and for us as fans,
but you know, it's good to see that you have a shark line as to
whatever. People say like, I'm gonna stop
watching if she comes back. I'm like, oh, that's so dumb.
But I'm like, this is just not, it's not like I'm annoyed
heavily by Lisa Barlow 'cause I,I don't, but I'm not like
(24:11):
offended to my core by Lisa Barlow.
And to see, you know, Tamu Barbie, you know TAMU
homophobic, transphobic Barbie on my screen and like, support
her and like put her picture up.Effigy.
Is not. It's not how it's a.
(24:32):
Choice that you have and you, yeah, it's a choice you're going
to make. Yeah, I'm not going to do.
That understandable, yeah. That would be dramatic.
I thought it would cool down like after dinner and taking a
break. Are you OK?
I'm going to be fine. This cold will leave me
eventually. I'm sorry that we recorded, but
you know, we had to before it, you know, became a moot point.
Yeah, yeah, I, I again, it's just a show.
(24:55):
It's just a. Show it's gonna.
Be fun. Yeah it's fine.
I'm don't need to get fired up about it.
But like for like 1 moment I need to vent about it and then
I'm like OK whatever it's just. A show well, and on top of it,
it's a show that we like, you know, and it's one team really.
We didn't watch OC. We started watching when Tamara
came back and you know, we were had high hopes for it and we
wanted to see, we want to see itcontinue an upward trajectory.
(25:16):
Right and I do I loved him and Ireally enjoy a lot of the girls.
Of course I love Katie and you know, and it's just there.
Last season was great at its moments and the season.
I think it's just been like not to the same degree.
And then to like do us like thisat the end of the season.
It's just like I can't go along with that.
(25:37):
Yeah, I think the mistake that they're making is bringing back
the old housewives. I mean, a lot of I can see how a
lot of people would want that. But Alexis was a miss.
I think Gretchen was definitely a miss.
I think I never really watched when Vicki was on.
And I think everything that happened to Bravo Con, everyone
seems so happy about Vicki. Hopefully they do it better with
Vicki next season. Well, I think Vicki's different
(25:58):
too. She's she's her.
And she started this whole thingand with, you know, Gina Keogh.
And, and the fact that she's been doing those social media
stuff with Tamara to like kind of warm up the comeback and
everything just seems like that.She's, I don't want to say
willing to play the game, but you know, she's she's not going
(26:19):
to come on with an agenda to like screw Tamara or screw over
anyone. It's going to be Vicki's back.
I hope so. I.
Hope it's not like yeah, me and Shannon against him.
Or vice versa. Even if it's her and Vicki
against Shannon, you know, Cameron, Vicki and Shannon,
that'd be awful. I don't want to see that either.
Yeah, I think it's just, it justdoesn't need to be a cold
takedown situation. It's like, let's have our.
(26:40):
But again, if you're not willingto move forward, it's going to
turn into, you know, you can only try so many times.
That doesn't mean that you need to like, try to take someone
down, but you're going to fight back and you know, it's but and
then it just never gets resolved.
That's the thing. These conflicts are not getting
resolved. We've left the season with no
(27:01):
resolution of the major conflicts, whether it be, you
know, Tamra and Gretchen or Tamra and Shannon or the BS that
I'm supposed to care about between Katie and that fool at
the end of the couch, sorry, at the beginning of the couch.
Oh, Jen, Jen. Well, either end of the couch.
Yeah. So like, I've just that whole
(27:21):
thing when Jen tried to like, you know.
Get her with the whole I talked to Nicole and.
I don't give a damn about Nicoleagain off camera people.
Also I let Nicole Dr. her husband to jail and shut up
about. It I did like that Katie was
like, explain the exact oppositeof what Nicole had told her or
what, I'm sorry, what Nicole hadtold Ryan and Ryan told Jen.
You know this from Ryan from. Nicole, right.
(27:43):
And so I like that Jen's answer was, well, I trust Nicole more
than I trust you. And so Katie's like, OK, then
like then nothing. No amount of me saying anything
that's going to matter. That was Katie.
I would just stop trying with that girl.
Yeah, Like, there's no, there's no point.
I'm. Pretty sure that.
She has no point. No, she was thinking probably
she still like had hopes to likehave a conversation.
So I just don't see how you makea resolution for somebody who's
(28:06):
just that vehemently against you, right?
Like the little hatred that thatwhole couch had for Katie was
disturbing. I found it.
And then they tried to like, youknow, make amends at the end,
like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.
Or, you know, you're not as bad as Alexis Bellino.
Thanks, Shannon. Like.
I found it very interesting, theway they tried to walk it back.
Yeah. Just in case she comes back for
(28:27):
next season or because, well. Because they look like Karen's A
couch of Karen's. Yeah, so.
Well, I don't know. Well, I'm, you know, I don't
know if we say this every time, but I'm, I'm glad this season is
over. I am so glad so.
I'm I'm happy to have one last show for a couple weeks until
Beverly Hills starts. Yes.
And then we just have Potomac and Salt Lake.
(28:50):
Next week and. Thanksgiving and all these
things. I am thankful that Orange
counting is over. Agreed.
And then we'll talk about it allnext time or next time.
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