August 6, 2024 • 37 mins
Ever wondered what it takes to break free from stifling routines and transform your life? This week, Brad and Tiffany kickstarted their morning with a grueling workout and fondly recall their unique adventures in Grand Turk, complete with roaming donkeys. As they transition back to everyday life, they delve into the concept of pivoting—highlighting the importance of making those crucial changes when life feels stagnant. With references to '80s music and a hilarious "Friends" episode, they bring to life the significance of adaptability, all while eagerly anticipating the arrival of their grandson.
Find out how to align your actions with your true calling by listening to their engaging personal anecdotes, like the story of Dean Webb's bold shift from banking to pottery. Learn the importance of taking risks and avoiding overanalysis to lead a more fulfilling life. Brad and Tiffany emphasize that to move forward, sometimes you need to take inventory of your current situation and make daring changes, whether it's acquiring new skills or altering your social circles. Their practical advice underscores how crucial it is to avoid excuses and invest time wisely.
The episode also shines a light on inspiring stories of late-life pivots, with well-known figures who achieved success later in life, proving it's never too late to pursue your passions. The duo shares their own journey into podcasting, overcoming initial discomfort to find a sense of purpose. Wrapping up with a focus on strengthening relationships through positive changes, Brad and Tiffany offer heartfelt encouragement for anyone at a crossroads, urging listeners to embrace their pivot moments for renewed purpose and passion. Join the conversation and discover how to unlock the next chapter of your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey, good morning.
Good morning.
This is Brad and I'm with mybeautiful wife, tiffany.
We are the host of the HustleFlow podcast and glad you're
joining us this morning.
Hey man, I don't know what kindof day you had already For us.
It's about 9.30 in the morningand we went to the gym, had a
terrible workout.
It was awful, hot, gross, andthen I had to run after, so I
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felt like I took a shower.
Before I took a shower.
It was pretty bad, but we'reexcited.
This morning we're going to bediscussing the term pivot.
Now, pivot is a word that'sgoing to encompass a whole lot,
but we just want to talk aboutpivoting this morning, whether
it's life, career or whatever itis.
Good morning, tiffany.
What's happening your way?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just trying to get adjusted to being back in the
real world after vacation and,like you said, working out it
was extra hard because beinggone for 10 days and coming back
, but vacation was fun.
There was, you know, I haven'tmade a post about vacation.
You're supposed to make a postwhen you get back from vacation,
because everybody needs to knowyou went on vacation,
(01:19):
absolutely, absolutely Flexingbaby.
Well, we don't really have anypictures.
All the pictures are just at adifferent beach, you know every
day, and so I've got to lookthrough which beach pictures.
But I think my favorite part ofvacation was the donkeys,
though.
Yeah, yeah, I asked if we couldadopt a donkey and I still yet
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to research why there was.
We did a day day at grand turk.
And um, there was donkeys, yeah, free roaming, free range
donkeys everywhere.
And um, and did the did grandturk by golf cart yeah, it was
not, didn't take long to do thewhole, the whole island.
But um, I still need to find out.
(02:01):
Like I'm, I don't, my mind isnot satisfied yet until I find
out why there were so manydonkeys everywhere.
Because nobody was using thedonkeys and the donkeys were not
tied up in anybody.
Like I didn't see anybody'syard that had a donkey tied up,
a pet donkey.
So like I still need to know,why were there so many donkeys?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, well, it was called Donkey Land.
That Grand Turk is Donkey Landand I have no idea.
I don't know if they wereshipwrecked and all the donkeys
swam over and now they're justpopulated.
But you know, we'd seen thewild horses in North Carolina
out on Corolla Beach or whateverthat is.
And so when I got there, likefrom a distance, we were on the
(02:40):
golf cart and I said there'smore wild horse, and you said
that's donkeys, that's not wildhorses.
And so, anyway, yeah, it's uhman, you know how it is, coming
back from vacation, like man, itwas so fun.
But then you're like we didn'tget home till one o'clock, uh,
sunday morning, and like justtrashed, after flying all day
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and driving and you know we hada good time Went to Miami a
couple of days.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Miami's always.
Every time we go to Miami I askyou like is there not some kind
of business we can open so Ican have a second little place
to?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
live in Miami.
Well, apparently we need toopen the Parmesan cheese wheel
business because it's everywhere.
We got to do the Parmesancheese wheel.
It was pretty good and so,anyway, had a great time, glad
to be back.
We were concerned our oldestdaughter's pregnant and she was
due anytime and we said, look,do not have this baby while
we're gone.
And this is no joke.
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I was praying every day.
I said God, look, show us favor.
We need favor here.
God, do not let our daughterhave her baby without us being
here, because I know it'simportant for her, for you to be
in the room with her, as she'sbringing our grandson, jb John
Bradford, into the world.
So she's being induced tonightand hopefully tomorrow we'll be
able to give a little sugar toour new grandson.
(03:59):
So excited about that, let'stalk this morning.
So we're going to jump in.
We're going to talk this morningabout pivot, and you know this
thing has been on my mind awhole lot.
It's one of those things that Ithink people they get stuck in
their mind Is that you know,they call it a rut.
They get in a rut or they getinto a groove, or they get into
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a routine and they decide thatthis is their life for the rest
of their life.
And you know, there's a there'san old Skid Row song.
I'm an eighties rocker, so, uh,you know I had the perm at one
time, like I was rocking therocking the perm and the
parachute pants.
You know what I'm saying?
I was just a good old rednecklistening to rock and roll music
.
But there was a song, skid Row,and I saw this meme about it
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the other day.
But the song was 18 and Lifeand you know, of course it was
more about him getting introuble and he had to go away
for 18 and Life.
But I thought about that aspectof pivoting is that sometimes
in your life you get locked inor you get trapped into
something and it just becomesyour life.
And so I want to talk aboutthat this morning when I talk
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about pivot.
One of our favorite uh episodesor favorite things that we watch
is what, friends, friends.
And so what's the famousepisode with Ross and Chandler?
And I think it's uh, rachel,what are they doing?
Remember the couch, the couch,yeah, the couch.
So what happens?
(05:27):
Come on, tell me, tell me aboutit.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He starts, and when it's not working, he starts
hollering pivot, pivot, yeah,pivot, pivot.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And then finally, chandler just hollers shut up,
shut up, shut up.
And so they're trying to workit around a corner and it's not
working.
And so when I think about that,I always think about that.
We actually went to New York Iguess it was, was it last year,
when we met and did the friendsexperience and you actually got
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to hold the couch on the on thestairs and the pivot experience
and it was just stupid, justsomething fun.
And of course they got to havea picture, and I'm I hate
pictures, but anyway.
So we had a good time with that.
But here's the question I gotcan you change your life or are
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you stuck where you are?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
that's my question to you.
Yeah, I mean I know that youcan change your life and not be
stuck, because you know and ofcourse, for me, I love change I
think change is the best thingever.
Like I'm, yeah, I mean, I love,I love change and I so I know
you can change and not be stuckwhere you are, because I've
changed directions multipletimes, right?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
well and not just always changing directions, but
adding layers to the directionI'm going to okay, explain that
well, I mean, because that'sthat's, that's another tangent
or another thought that maybe wecan introduce.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Because, even though, like I'm doing right now what I
believe, I'm finally in my life, I think, doing what I'm called
to do and what I'm gifted to doand what I'm good at doing, I'm
also adding other layers tothat of other things that I may
be gifted to do and called to do, and not just staying with that
one thing, that one dimension,right yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so multidimensional.
Yes, it may be even in thecalling or whatever it is that
you feel like you found ismultidimensional and
multilayered.
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, I think that.
I think that's it.
Some people really don't thinkthey can change their life.
They feel stuck.
And I run into people like thatall the time man, like like I'm
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just stuck where I'm at.
You know and I posted this nottoo long ago and it's something
along these lines If you don'tlike where you're at, then you
have to change.
And it's real simple You've gotto change something you're
doing.
If you don't like where you are, you've got to wake up tomorrow
and do something differenttomorrow than you did today.
If you don't, your life willnot be any different tomorrow
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night than it is today.
And so you've got to have whatwe, what I called last night.
We were talking.
You got to have a pivot moment,or you've got to have a pivot
year or pivot season.
There's got to be somethingyou're doing to move in a
different direction, and so youdon't have to, you don't have to
stay stuck.
Uh, you know and I wrote thisdown and that it that it's
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called life, not a life sentence.
Yeah, god, the word of God saidthat he come to give you life,
but not only life, but life moreabundantly.
And I think that sometimes weget stuck in life and we don't
ever walk into an abundant life.
And I'm not talking about, uh,god's going to drop a new bmw
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into your, into your, your house, tomorrow.
You know he's not going to moveyou into a 50 million dollar
mansion.
He might, if he does great,invite me over.
We're going to kick it.
You know what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is, whenyou get into life, there's more
than just that one thing thatyou can see.
And here's what I've learned.
I'm 52.
I have learned that life is along, winding road.
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It's a long, winding road andsometimes you'll go through
patches.
You can't see over the hill.
That's one thing I hate.
I hate not being able to seeover the hill because I don't
know what's coming on the otherside.
My mother, the other, my mother,god love her.
She's the most dramatic person.
I'm telling you she should havehad, she should have won an
(09:17):
emmy a long time ago.
Like I love her, but it's theworst of the worst, or the best
of the best, and and I talked toher and she said you know
you're not going to believe thecops pulled up in our driveway
the other day.
And listen, they live in thecountry.
Like the cops pull up in yourdriveway, you take notice?
So there was a car pulled up inthe driveway, two cops pulled
in behind them, and so sheproceeded to tell me that there
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was a hundred mile per hourchase through our little bitty
town that I grew up in, on theon highway, and they turned off
on their road and they you knowthe two hills getting to my
mother's they were jumping thosehills and so when I thought
about that, that's one of thosethings I can't see over a hill,
so I don't know what's comingsometimes, and and I think that
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when you don't know where thenext turn is, or you don't know
what's over the next hill,sometimes you're apprehensive
and you don't want to make achange because it's a little bit
scary, and so I think aboutthat.
So let's talk about let's justjump in, let's move.
How can you pivot your life?
Let's talk about how you start,maybe even what that looks like
(10:20):
.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think you have to take an inventory of where
you're at and ask yourself someof those questions.
You know, am I being fulfilledright now where I'm at, and is
this?
It's really crazy, because Iknew we were talking about this
today and I showed you mydevotional this morning.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And it was I'm doing a 365 day, like I do several of
them on my Bible app, and one ofthem was Rick Warren that I'm
doing 365.
And today was actually about itwas more about your job, which
we won't be talking about, justyour job, but you know he was
saying that.
Basically, his words were youknow you're wasting the talents
God gave you, you're wastingyour abilities, you're wasting
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if you're not walking in that,in your job or in anything else
that you're called to do.
You know, if you, if you aremaking couches and that's what
you resigned yourself to do isis make couches, but God gave
you a gifting or calling evenfor you know, for music, for art
, for you know helping people,then maybe it's time to evaluate
(11:25):
okay, I know I'm gifted athelping people, so am I better
served in the healthcare systemusing those abilities, or does
God want me to make couches?
You know, and there's nothingwrong if he told you to make
couches, then make couches, ofcourse, but I think you have to
take an inventory of whereyou're at and say okay, what do
I know to be true about myself?
What am I good at, what am Inot good at?
(11:46):
You know I speaking of makingcouches.
You know, I went and worked ata factory, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Tell them how long you worked there.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, I didn't work long because they come to me and
they I mean, and they said welove you so much, but you are
not good at this, you'reterrible.
And if we could pay you to comeand talk to us every day we
would, but you're never going tomake production.
You are not good at factorywork.
Like girl, you got to go findsomething else to do.
I don't know how old I was 18,19.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I knew I wasn't good at it and they knew, of
course, I wasn't good at itbecause I didn't make production
I Like I don't know anythingabout that, I didn't.
I mean, my career in factorywork ended there.
Because when somebody tells younot only like hey, we're going
to lay you off, but hey, don'tever come back, you're not good
at this, then I mean I was thatlesson learned?
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But I think you have to take aninventory of where you're at
and say, okay, like what am Igood at and am I using that?
I think that's a first step.
And am I happy, right?
I mean, and I know that, likewe talk sometimes about, you
know, happiness, you don't haveto be happy, and we're not.
But in this, what we're talkingabout today, yeah, I do think,
(12:56):
because I think when you'reusing what you've been given,
you can be happy.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I think so, and I get that life is not always about
riding the wave of happiness.
It's just not.
However, I will say this it'sokay to be happy and it's okay
to be happy with what you do.
It's okay to enjoy your work,it's okay to enjoy whatever your
calling is.
You know, the Bible says thatthe calling and giftings of God
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are without repentance.
That means here's what I'veseen You've seen it before too
is that whatever your gifting is, wherever you take that gifting
, it works.
Ok, if you have an oratoricalgift, which which means if
you're really good at speakingand you have the ability to have
persuasion and maybe I'm justusing this as an example Okay,
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nothing, nothing concrete, butmaybe, maybe you were designed
to to be a preacher Okay, youcan also take that gift.
If you don't want to use it inthe church and I'm not saying
you shouldn't, I'm saying, ifyou don't, you can take it into
a courtroom and guess what thatgifts to a works.
Yeah, okay, but but I go backto you to say this is that you
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do have to find what you loveand what you're passionate about
.
You know, you do have to findwhat you're passionate about,
and everybody is passionateabout something.
There's something that justdefines who you are.
I think I asked you I don'teven remember if we really got
into it but what makes you tick,what's your thing?
And everybody's got to discoverthat makes you tick, what's
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your thing?
And everybody's got to discoverthat you have to identify and
take an inventory of where youare, what you're passionate
about, and you got to identifywhat you really want.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I have seen this so many times.
Men and women, the older theyget, they just waffle like a
fish out of water.
They don't know what they wantanymore.
You know, especially dudes.
Man dudes go through like amidlife I call it midwife crisis
.
They go through midwife midlifecrisis and, and you know, they
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get tattoos.
You know they, they, they cut.
I got tattoos.
I'm making a joke.
They get tattoos, they startgetting in.
I don't know.
They do stupid stuff becausemen want to be challenged and
you know you and I have talkedabout that.
Women I can't identify with awoman because I'm not one, but
men need to be challenged andthe older I get, the more
challenged I need to be.
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That's why I do dumb stuff,that's why I need to have dumb
stuff in my life, but alsofinding a passion and
identifying.
And that's the hardest thingsometimes.
What do you want?
One of my favorite movies andI'm a sap man, I'm a romantic
movie guy Like most people.
Look at me and think you'reprobably going to watch
documentaries all the time aboutGoggins.
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I love Goggins, but I'm goingto be honest with you.
I love some Sweet Home Alabama.
You can kiss me anytime youwant.
I love the Notebook man.
The Notebook gets me all up inmy fields when he goes and lays
in that bed and tells her thestory of their life.
I'm like he gets me chillyright now.
You know what I'm saying, and,and I think about that scene,
though, where she'd been gonefor a long time and she comes
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back and noah's built the houseand she stays with him a few
days and then she gets, she'sgot to leave, she's got to go
back to her, her fiance, andthey're out there and they're
arguing what do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
I don't know, and that's that'sthe whole point.
Sometimes is that we have toreally identify what we want,
because we've got to find that,and when you find that,
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sometimes you can make a pivot,you can have a change.
So what else do you need to do?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
pivot.
You can have a change.
So what else do you need to do?
You know, I think when you dostart trying to take an
inventory of some of thesethings, then you I mean you
can't, I don't think you can,you know, think it to death
obviously.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But then you know you can't get caught up in the past
of well, I had to make couches.
I've had to make couches all mylife.
I have never had a choice.
Because you do have a choiceand it's not too late to have,
you know, to have a choice.
You can do what you want to do.
You can explore the things thatyou want to do.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, you can.
So you said it.
It's never too late to make achange, right?
Ok, let's talk about a coupleof people just off the top of
your head.
You know we were talking tosomebody last night.
You want to talk?
A good, a good friend of ours.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, so it's.
You know, when we were talkingabout pivoting just different
people.
We were talking about peoplethat we don't know, that are
famous, that made pivots, butyou know locally, the first
person that come to mind wasdean webb.
Dean made a huge pivot in hislife.
If you are from this area,you've heard of midnight pottery
right but before midnightpottery you may not have known
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who dean webb was and that deanwebb.
You know what bank he worked atand what his job there was.
But Dean Webb made a pivot inhis life.
He was you know, I rememberDean because I was actually a
waitress and worked at arestaurant that served lunches.
And I remember Dean coming inwith his banker friends in his
suit and all dressed up.
And then Dean made a huge pivotin his life and decided he was
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going to do pottery, yeah, andopened Midnight Pottery.
If I remember right, it used tobe out huge pivot in his life
and decided he was going to dopottery and opened midnight
pottery, if I remember right, itused to be out off of um, off
the highway there.
It was out in Auburn, yeah, andso then, um, you know, then I
don't, I don't know if his nextlocation I think it was his
final location was there, youknow, on Gloucester, by blue
canoe, um, and, and built such athriving business, completely
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different from banking, becausethe two, I don't think, hardly
have anything in common, but I'msure that had to be scary,
maybe even scary to his family.
I don't know for him to comehome and say hey guys, this
corporate job that I have, whereI go to work in a suit every
day, I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to grow a really longbeard and I'm going to make
pottery.
Now, that's what we're going todo.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I respect it, dean.
I respect it man.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I've loved every time I've been around his wife, but
I would have loved to have beena fly on the wall too, to when
he said, hey, this is what I'mgoing to do, this is it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, see, I've known his wife for a while, christy.
I've known her for a whilebecause we all, you know she's a
little bit older than I was inschool, but I've known her, so I
can imagine how that went, butI've always respected that and
I've always.
We got to know Dean becausewe'd all go hang out, like not
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together, but we'd see him atplaces and talk to him, and so
that was a huge pivot, hugepivot.
And it was funny because, likeyou said, when he talked to his
family, it brought back a memoryto us 2006,.
We've had several pivot momentsin our life, but one of them,
specifically, was I was sellingfor Cisco Foods and you had
started doing real estate and Igot my license, and so we just
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said, hey, we're going to dothis full time.
And so we set our kids down.
Our kids were I don't know,they were young, and we set them
around the table and said, hey,we're going to dad's going to
quit his job and we're going togo sell real estate full time.
And you remember what one ofthe kids said yeah, I think it
was our son.
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Our son.
What did he say?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Are we going to be poor now?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Are we going to be poor again, are we?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
going to be poor again, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And of course my answer was no, and I'm thinking
I don't know.
You know what I mean.
I have no idea.
This is a pivot moment here,maybe maybe not.
I don't know thing.
When it comes to to pivoting,you absolutely can overanalyze
the heck out of stuff.
One of us in our relationshipis an overanalyzer and gets
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paralyzed because they have tohave the perfect time to do
things and the perfect storm andsituation.
And the other one's like, hey,let's go do it, and uh I'm not
gonna say who that is, but it'stiffany and uh, so you can't
overanalyze always.
Sometimes you've got to pivotwhen the pivot is there, right.
The other thing I think is youcan't make excuses.
You know, I think in our dayand time because we were, we
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were just talking about somebodythat had just made some excuses
on our way here, and in thisday and time it is so easy to
make an excuse.
I can't do it.
And in this day and time it isso easy to make an excuse I
can't do it, I can't do this andI can't do that.
And the thing that I hate I'veread this lately a whole bunch
is that I don't have a choice.
Well, you do have a choice.
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Now, I understand everybody's.
You know you want to come at me?
Great, come on.
But for the most part you havea choice and it may not be what
happens to you, but it's how yourespond.
You have a choice, and soexcuses is one of those things.
You can't pivot if you makeexcuses all the time.
Yeah you absolutely can.
The other thing is, you got tobroaden your skillset.
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Now what does that look likefor you, like we were talking
the other day for you, what doesthat look like?
You need to broaden your skillset.
How do you do that?
What do you need to do just forsomebody like you?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, for somebody like me, I don't know.
But I mean, I think you talkingabout conversation I was
talking to someone who wasapplying for a job and they're
not.
They weren't sure if they'regoing to get it or not, because
they didn't know all the thingsthey needed to know and I said,
okay, well, if you don't get itthis time, then you know from
the questions they're asking youthat you didn't feel like you
knew what.
All you got to go learn.
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So that when an opening comes upagain.
You've learned those things,those systems and those programs
Like, and so if there'ssomething that you want to do,
it's time to get on YouTube.
Look at classes somewhere.
You know, what is it thatyou're going to need to know
Because now you know.
You say it's easy to makeexcuses, but it's also kind of
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ridiculous to make excuses inthis day, and age.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Say that, say it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Because there is knowledge everywhere about
whatever it is you want.
You know that, you want to know.
You know I'm not ashamed toadmit that caramel cake is my
nemesis.
It is very hard for me to getthe icing right, but you know
there is information out therenow.
You know, used to 15 years agowe had all recipes.
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There was nobody as muchcooking all this stuff
everywhere for us to watch everystep.
So I watch TikToks, I watchYouTube.
I do everything because I youknow me when it comes to
desserts, like I don't want itto be good, I want it to be
perfect, I want it to be thebest, and so I'm in search of
like, whatever it is.
I've got a tweak to make myrecipe perfect, but I have no
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excuse for anything cooking wise.
If I want to take my knowledgeup, you know a level.
If you want to learn a languageso that you can apply for a job
that requires you to you knowto, to be bilingual like there's
just no excuses for so much ofthis now.
If you want to pivot and dosomething else in your life,
absolutely, classes, evenclasses are offered now at night
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and on Saturdays for programs.
People apply to work for methat are in a Saturday program
for certain things.
Honestly, to me it's a littleharder to make an excuse.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And that's good, because there is zero really
excuse to not be able to learnnew skills.
And I was thinking about beingbilingual and that's one of the
things that I've tried beforeand probably, to be honest with
you, I wasn't very diligent.
I learned a few things.
So you know, you can get onBabbel I know that's
(24:20):
conversational learning but youcan get on there for like $66
for the year, but man, I can'tspend $66 to learn a new
language.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But if you can't, then there's a guy on tiktok,
and every day he teaches you aword.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
He says no way, is that the parody guy?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
no, it's okay, there's a.
There's a guy I follow.
He's hispanic and every day heteaches you a word and he shows
you what that word is like.
You get a visual, you hear it.
He says so it's free.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but again, I go back to I don't want to spend
$66, but we'll go spend $50 toeat.
Yeah, you know, and it reallyit's an excuse of learning a new
skill and I think that thatmatters, you know.
The other thing is you got tochange your bubble of friends.
I can just tell you right nowif you're not advancing and
(25:10):
you're not going the places youwant to go, there's a good
chance you need to look aroundand say, huh, who am I being
influenced by?
Who is in my circle?
And you might need to changeyour circle.
Now, I know that's hard, becauseif you've been homies for life,
you know what I'm saying.
Like I've been friends withpeople for a long time, life,
you know what I'm saying.
(25:30):
Like I've been friends withpeople for a long time.
But if they're not really, youknow, do what?
What is it there's?
If you're hanging around fourdeadheads, you're the fifth one
and uh, and my kids hate thatterm, deadhead, but I use it as
an old man but but I'm sayingyou might need to change your
bubble.
I need to change your, your,your friends, any other things
there that just pop out to you.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I mean, you know we we've talked about
sometimes you have to change,change your routine up a little
bit.
If you need to pivot but youcan't do that because you are in
situations to where you stillgot to be doing whatever you're
doing, then you have to changeyour routine up a little bit.
What does you know?
What does that look like?
You know?
Um, that's some of somethingthat comes to mind to me.
(26:11):
You've got to do things alittle different.
That's a very old you know tohave things you never have.
You've got to.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do things you've never done Do things you've
never done.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So yeah, you have to sometimes just change up that a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You may have to cut Netflix off for a while or Hulu,
and just do something to learn,yeah, and change.
You got to change things.
And I think that's the crux ofthis whole thing is, when you
pivot is that you have to changesomething.
If you want something different, you got to do something
different.
That's just the way it is.
And and and.
I like these, and I'm going touse a couple of examples here.
(26:46):
People like, well, I mean, I'mjust too old, you know, I'm kind
of just stuck here and I'malmost at retirement, I'm almost
at whatever, and I'm just goingto cruise this bad boy in.
And I think about some of thesepeople that I'm going to call
out.
Everybody knows Betty White.
Betty White man, she is an icon, golden Girl.
She's a funny old lady.
(27:07):
You know she passed awayrecently, but everybody loved
Betty White.
But did you know that BettyWhite didn't break in until she
was 51?
She made her first appearanceon the Mary Tyler Moore show at
51.
So the back half of her lifewas bad versus the first part.
Everybody knew Betty White whenshe passed away and everybody
(27:29):
loves Betty White.
I didn't know this one Duck andHines Duck and Hines cake mix.
He was 55 years old.
That was a man, duncan Hines,duck and Hines Duck.
I don't know, you know this,you cook.
I have no idea, but Duck andHines 55 years old.
And he didn't start with cakemix.
(27:50):
He started with a publicationcalled Good Eating in America.
People asked him say, hey,where's a good place to eat in
America?
He published a book and he soldthem for a dollar.
But he's 55 years old.
How about Ray Kroc?
Everybody know Ray Kroc.
No, yes, you do, mcdonald's.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's his name.
I always thought it would besomething like Bob McDonald,
like Sam Walton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, ray Kroc wasn't the founder of McDonald's.
The McDonald's was in SanBernardino.
The first one was in SanBernardino, california, and he
met them.
Ray Kroc was a milkshake makerseller, so he'd go try to sell
milkshake machines and he metthe McDonald people and so he
bought his first from McDonald'sfranchise when he was 52 years
(28:42):
old.
And the rest is history.
How about Julia Child?
You know Julia Child?
Yeah, 50 years old.
50 years old when she publishedher first cookbook.
So you're still on track.
I'm still on track.
Still on track.
How about Grandma Moses?
You know Grandma Moses, famouspainter?
You know when she startedpainting?
78 years old?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know why she started painting?
Because she had a pivot moment.
Her arthritis had gotten so badthat she couldn't embroider
these scenes anymore.
I don't know whatever that is.
She could not do that anymore.
So one of her friends said hey,why don't you paint those
scenes?
She became famous after that.
(29:24):
Colonel Sanders everybody knowsKFC.
62.
62.
, 62.
How about Martha?
How about Martha Stewart?
Everybody knows Martha Stewart.
Yeah, but you know she was astockbroker and she was a model
before she opened her firstcatering company in her 40s.
(29:46):
That crazy, yeah.
How about Nelson Mandela?
Everybody know Nelson Mandela.
If you don't, you need to watchthe movie.
It's a really, really goodmovie.
He spent 27 years in jail, butthen he got elected 75 years old
.
I'm telling you, it is nevertoo late to make a pivot.
It's never too late to have apivot moment Because you get
(30:09):
intertwined.
Sometimes your identity getswrapped up into what you do.
Sometimes and this is this iswho I am Men are famous for this
.
When a man meets another man,they say hey, what's up?
And what's the first questionmen ask?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
What do you do?
What do you do yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You know why?
Because they want to know whatlevel of respect do I need to
give you?
Where do you fall in therespect line?
Because men get identity basedon what they do and that's just
stupid, just to be quite honest.
That's stupid Because when youfall in love with what you do
and you're passionate about whatyou do, and those gifts and
those callings, man, they justscream out.
(30:44):
It's not about money, it ain'tabout fame, it ain't about
fortune, it's about walking inthe very thing that you were
created to do.
And I'm excited about that.
I'm excited about pivoting.
And you know, I told you theother day we were talking look,
I'm not done, I'm 52.
I'm not done.
Podcasting for us was a pivot,yeah, huge pivot, you know
(31:06):
because, because I don't mindtalking, that's just kind of one
of my things, but I have topull it out of you sometimes,
you know, and it's uncomfortablefor you to be behind this
microphone at times.
But we've pivoted, we've gottenmore comfortable.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
These are just things that we're doing, so well, it's
funny, because you know um Ican talk but I can chase rabbits
.
So the hard part for me is to isto stay on track with whatever
we're talking about today andnot talk about something else.
But you know, even with this asas some people would probably
think, that like this is just soeasy for me, the fear in doing
(31:44):
this was I don't like negativefeedback and I know the more you
put yourself out there withthings, and that's, you know,
one of the things.
I met with my business coachand we've got a plan, had a plan
for me, and that's one of thethings I said is like, the more
I put myself out there, I it'll,I'm afraid it's gonna.
I've gotten tougher being inbusiness for myself that's right
but I know it'll hurt myfeelings sometimes if somebody
(32:05):
just says something so mean.
So for me you talk about fearswith different things, like I'm
not.
I wasn't necessarily, you know.
One of the things is well,anybody listen?
Does anybody care?
What we have to say was justthe mean people said I don't
want to.
You know, I don't want to do itbecause of the mean people.
So with anything I think youare going to have, you're going
to have on your cons list whenyou're making your pros and cons
(32:28):
, you're going to have some consand for me, like for this, like
I said, it's like you know meanpeople but because the mean
people don't bother you as much,I care less, like I want to be
mean back, but I've reallyalways tried to take the high
road, because trolls are goingto come out of the bridge and
from under the bridge.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
that's just what trolls do, because they're
unhappy with their own life andthey're just going to troll you
and and and the truth is, isthat nobody really cares?
Yeah, you know and that's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But the thing is is that, yeah, nobody cares.
But if you, I can tell you thaton a weekly basis, and
especially about certain topics,somebody will message me that I
don't even talk to often orwhatever, and it always makes me
like it makes it, makes itmakes that week worth it, you
know, because you think, ok,that's why we're doing what we
(33:18):
do.
But if I would have listened tothat, then I wouldn't have
people that say, like what yousaid about marriage, this week
We've been practicing that andit's helped us so much.
Or what you said about business, like I've been stuck opening a
business and I didn't know thenext, like that that helps so
much, and so like, if, if we, ifyou don't pivot sometimes and
you let those excuses andreasons and fears and all the
(33:41):
reasons you shouldn't on the conlist, you just don't, you have
no idea what could be on theother side.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Absolutely, and that's a really good place to
stop right.
There is that man.
If you've got something in yourheart and listen, I'm not
telling you to be foolish, okay,but I'm telling you you may
very well have a pivot momentcoming in your life and I will
say this I don't know that theyhappen often Sometimes.
Sometimes that pivot momentmoves on and you miss it.
I'm not saying something, don'tcome back around on the other
(34:12):
side, but I'm telling you youneed to pay attention and you
need to be cognizant of a pivotmoment when it comes around,
because when it comes around,that's your chance, man.
You jump right into it.
You know, I'm thinking about myman, Michael, right here.
I don't know that probably whenhe was shooting basketball back
in the day and breaking ankles,said that he thought I'm going
(34:33):
to pastor that church one day.
But pivot bang, here we are andit's and it's blowing and it's
going, it's doing great and thetestimonies coming out of this
thing is awesome, because hewalked into his pivot moment.
And so I don't know today, aswe get ready to close, I'm not
sure where you are.
If you're listening I'm tellingyou you're not done.
You may have only just began.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You may feel like that.
You're at the bottom of theladder, looking up, but I can
tell you that one pivot momentin your life will change
everything, that thing that Godmay be put in your heart, or
whatever it is that you'retalented or gifted or passionate
about.
I'm telling you pivot, find away to pivot, and your whole
life can change.
Any final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, and I think when you do that, when you start
finding those things, you justhave a renewed sense of purpose.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And you wake up excited and not just you know
I've got to go do this thingthat I don't like today or
whatever, or I don't like mylife.
Like you have a renewed senseof purpose and passion when you
find those things Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Absolutely Well.
Hey, thank you so much forlistening today.
We love spending time with you.
Hey, listen, if you're onSpotify, if you're on Apple
podcast or anything like that,we'd appreciate a five-star
review, maybe even some kindwords there.
Anything you could do wouldhelp us.
We would really appreciate itand thank you so much for that.
We do want to say this hey,listen, tiffany and I are
(36:04):
putting on a marriage conference.
You can find that link I'llpost it later on our page and on
our personal pages.
But we put on a marriageconference the first week of
September and it's a good time.
We had a great conference lastyear.
We've got some great peoplelined up Scott Dooley and
Heather Dooley, if you know,coach Dooley from East Union he
yells at everybody, he's intense, but he's a great guy.
(36:25):
Him and his wife have beenmarried a long time, got great
stories.
Tiffany and I have got asession and we've got another
couple that's got a sessioncoming, and so I just would
encourage you you can look forthat.
If you need help in yourmarriage, that's a good place to
pivot.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Or if you don't need help, or if you don't need help,
but still Just need to make itbetter.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Absolutely.
Hey, listen, we do want toencourage you that if you find
yourself not going the way youwant to go, find people who are
going the way you want to go andhop in there and flow with them
and you will find what you'relooking for.
Thank you so much for listening.
Have a great morning.
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Outro Music.
Hey, good morning.
Good morning.
This is Brad and I'm with mybeautiful wife, tiffany.
We are the host of the HustleFlow podcast and glad you're
joining us this morning.
Hey man, I don't know what kindof day you had already For us.
It's about 9.30 in the morningand we went to the gym, had a
terrible workout.
It was awful, hot, gross, andthen I had to run after, so I
(00:40):
felt like I took a shower.
Before I took a shower.
It was pretty bad, but we'reexcited.
This morning we're going to bediscussing the term pivot.
Now, pivot is a word that'sgoing to encompass a whole lot,
but we just want to talk aboutpivoting this morning, whether
it's life, career or whatever itis.
Good morning, tiffany.
What's happening your way?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just trying to get adjusted to being back in the
real world after vacation and,like you said, working out it
was extra hard because beinggone for 10 days and coming back
, but vacation was fun.
There was, you know, I haven'tmade a post about vacation.
You're supposed to make a postwhen you get back from vacation,
because everybody needs to knowyou went on vacation,
(01:19):
absolutely, absolutely Flexingbaby.
Well, we don't really have anypictures.
All the pictures are just at adifferent beach, you know every
day, and so I've got to lookthrough which beach pictures.
But I think my favorite part ofvacation was the donkeys,
though.
Yeah, yeah, I asked if we couldadopt a donkey and I still yet
(01:40):
to research why there was.
We did a day day at grand turk.
And um, there was donkeys, yeah, free roaming, free range
donkeys everywhere.
And um, and did the did grandturk by golf cart yeah, it was
not, didn't take long to do thewhole, the whole island.
But um, I still need to find out.
(02:01):
Like I'm, I don't, my mind isnot satisfied yet until I find
out why there were so manydonkeys everywhere.
Because nobody was using thedonkeys and the donkeys were not
tied up in anybody.
Like I didn't see anybody'syard that had a donkey tied up,
a pet donkey.
So like I still need to know,why were there so many donkeys?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, well, it was called Donkey Land.
That Grand Turk is Donkey Landand I have no idea.
I don't know if they wereshipwrecked and all the donkeys
swam over and now they're justpopulated.
But you know, we'd seen thewild horses in North Carolina
out on Corolla Beach or whateverthat is.
And so when I got there, likefrom a distance, we were on the
(02:40):
golf cart and I said there'smore wild horse, and you said
that's donkeys, that's not wildhorses.
And so, anyway, yeah, it's uhman, you know how it is, coming
back from vacation, like man, itwas so fun.
But then you're like we didn'tget home till one o'clock, uh,
sunday morning, and like justtrashed, after flying all day
(03:01):
and driving and you know we hada good time Went to Miami a
couple of days.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Miami's always.
Every time we go to Miami I askyou like is there not some kind
of business we can open so Ican have a second little place
to?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
live in Miami.
Well, apparently we need toopen the Parmesan cheese wheel
business because it's everywhere.
We got to do the Parmesancheese wheel.
It was pretty good and so,anyway, had a great time, glad
to be back.
We were concerned our oldestdaughter's pregnant and she was
due anytime and we said, look,do not have this baby while
we're gone.
And this is no joke.
(03:35):
I was praying every day.
I said God, look, show us favor.
We need favor here.
God, do not let our daughterhave her baby without us being
here, because I know it'simportant for her, for you to be
in the room with her, as she'sbringing our grandson, jb John
Bradford, into the world.
So she's being induced tonightand hopefully tomorrow we'll be
able to give a little sugar toour new grandson.
(03:59):
So excited about that, let'stalk this morning.
So we're going to jump in.
We're going to talk this morningabout pivot, and you know this
thing has been on my mind awhole lot.
It's one of those things that Ithink people they get stuck in
their mind Is that you know,they call it a rut.
They get in a rut or they getinto a groove, or they get into
(04:20):
a routine and they decide thatthis is their life for the rest
of their life.
And you know, there's a there'san old Skid Row song.
I'm an eighties rocker, so, uh,you know I had the perm at one
time, like I was rocking therocking the perm and the
parachute pants.
You know what I'm saying?
I was just a good old rednecklistening to rock and roll music
.
But there was a song, skid Row,and I saw this meme about it
(04:43):
the other day.
But the song was 18 and Lifeand you know, of course it was
more about him getting introuble and he had to go away
for 18 and Life.
But I thought about that aspectof pivoting is that sometimes
in your life you get locked inor you get trapped into
something and it just becomesyour life.
And so I want to talk aboutthat this morning when I talk
(05:06):
about pivot.
One of our favorite uh episodesor favorite things that we watch
is what, friends, friends.
And so what's the famousepisode with Ross and Chandler?
And I think it's uh, rachel,what are they doing?
Remember the couch, the couch,yeah, the couch.
So what happens?
(05:27):
Come on, tell me, tell me aboutit.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He starts, and when it's not working, he starts
hollering pivot, pivot, yeah,pivot, pivot.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And then finally, chandler just hollers shut up,
shut up, shut up.
And so they're trying to workit around a corner and it's not
working.
And so when I think about that,I always think about that.
We actually went to New York Iguess it was, was it last year,
when we met and did the friendsexperience and you actually got
(05:54):
to hold the couch on the on thestairs and the pivot experience
and it was just stupid, justsomething fun.
And of course they got to havea picture, and I'm I hate
pictures, but anyway.
So we had a good time with that.
But here's the question I gotcan you change your life or are
(06:15):
you stuck where you are?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
that's my question to you.
Yeah, I mean I know that youcan change your life and not be
stuck, because you know and ofcourse, for me, I love change I
think change is the best thingever.
Like I'm, yeah, I mean, I love,I love change and I so I know
you can change and not be stuckwhere you are, because I've
changed directions multipletimes, right?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
well and not just always changing directions, but
adding layers to the directionI'm going to okay, explain that
well, I mean, because that'sthat's, that's another tangent
or another thought that maybe wecan introduce.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Because, even though, like I'm doing right now what I
believe, I'm finally in my life, I think, doing what I'm called
to do and what I'm gifted to doand what I'm good at doing, I'm
also adding other layers tothat of other things that I may
be gifted to do and called to do, and not just staying with that
one thing, that one dimension,right yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so multidimensional.
Yes, it may be even in thecalling or whatever it is that
you feel like you found ismultidimensional and
multilayered.
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, I think that.
I think that's it.
Some people really don't thinkthey can change their life.
They feel stuck.
And I run into people like thatall the time man, like like I'm
(07:29):
just stuck where I'm at.
You know and I posted this nottoo long ago and it's something
along these lines If you don'tlike where you're at, then you
have to change.
And it's real simple You've gotto change something you're
doing.
If you don't like where you are, you've got to wake up tomorrow
and do something differenttomorrow than you did today.
If you don't, your life willnot be any different tomorrow
(07:51):
night than it is today.
And so you've got to have whatwe, what I called last night.
We were talking.
You got to have a pivot moment,or you've got to have a pivot
year or pivot season.
There's got to be somethingyou're doing to move in a
different direction, and so youdon't have to, you don't have to
stay stuck.
Uh, you know and I wrote thisdown and that it that it's
(08:11):
called life, not a life sentence.
Yeah, god, the word of God saidthat he come to give you life,
but not only life, but life moreabundantly.
And I think that sometimes weget stuck in life and we don't
ever walk into an abundant life.
And I'm not talking about, uh,god's going to drop a new bmw
(08:33):
into your, into your, your house, tomorrow.
You know he's not going to moveyou into a 50 million dollar
mansion.
He might, if he does great,invite me over.
We're going to kick it.
You know what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is, whenyou get into life, there's more
than just that one thing thatyou can see.
And here's what I've learned.
I'm 52.
I have learned that life is along, winding road.
(08:57):
It's a long, winding road andsometimes you'll go through
patches.
You can't see over the hill.
That's one thing I hate.
I hate not being able to seeover the hill because I don't
know what's coming on the otherside.
My mother, the other, my mother,god love her.
She's the most dramatic person.
I'm telling you she should havehad, she should have won an
(09:17):
emmy a long time ago.
Like I love her, but it's theworst of the worst, or the best
of the best, and and I talked toher and she said you know
you're not going to believe thecops pulled up in our driveway
the other day.
And listen, they live in thecountry.
Like the cops pull up in yourdriveway, you take notice?
So there was a car pulled up inthe driveway, two cops pulled
in behind them, and so sheproceeded to tell me that there
(09:38):
was a hundred mile per hourchase through our little bitty
town that I grew up in, on theon highway, and they turned off
on their road and they you knowthe two hills getting to my
mother's they were jumping thosehills and so when I thought
about that, that's one of thosethings I can't see over a hill,
so I don't know what's comingsometimes, and and I think that
(09:59):
when you don't know where thenext turn is, or you don't know
what's over the next hill,sometimes you're apprehensive
and you don't want to make achange because it's a little bit
scary, and so I think aboutthat.
So let's talk about let's justjump in, let's move.
How can you pivot your life?
Let's talk about how you start,maybe even what that looks like
(10:20):
.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think you have to take an inventory of where
you're at and ask yourself someof those questions.
You know, am I being fulfilledright now where I'm at, and is
this?
It's really crazy, because Iknew we were talking about this
today and I showed you mydevotional this morning.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And it was I'm doing a 365 day, like I do several of
them on my Bible app, and one ofthem was Rick Warren that I'm
doing 365.
And today was actually about itwas more about your job, which
we won't be talking about, justyour job, but you know he was
saying that.
Basically, his words were youknow you're wasting the talents
God gave you, you're wastingyour abilities, you're wasting
(11:01):
if you're not walking in that,in your job or in anything else
that you're called to do.
You know, if you, if you aremaking couches and that's what
you resigned yourself to do isis make couches, but God gave
you a gifting or calling evenfor you know, for music, for art
, for you know helping people,then maybe it's time to evaluate
(11:25):
okay, I know I'm gifted athelping people, so am I better
served in the healthcare systemusing those abilities, or does
God want me to make couches?
You know, and there's nothingwrong if he told you to make
couches, then make couches, ofcourse, but I think you have to
take an inventory of whereyou're at and say okay, what do
I know to be true about myself?
What am I good at, what am Inot good at?
(11:46):
You know I speaking of makingcouches.
You know, I went and worked ata factory, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Tell them how long you worked there.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, I didn't work long because they come to me and
they I mean, and they said welove you so much, but you are
not good at this, you'reterrible.
And if we could pay you to comeand talk to us every day we
would, but you're never going tomake production.
You are not good at factorywork.
Like girl, you got to go findsomething else to do.
I don't know how old I was 18,19.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I knew I wasn't good at it and they knew, of
course, I wasn't good at itbecause I didn't make production
I Like I don't know anythingabout that, I didn't.
I mean, my career in factorywork ended there.
Because when somebody tells younot only like hey, we're going
to lay you off, but hey, don'tever come back, you're not good
at this, then I mean I was thatlesson learned?
(12:35):
But I think you have to take aninventory of where you're at
and say, okay, like what am Igood at and am I using that?
I think that's a first step.
And am I happy, right?
I mean, and I know that, likewe talk sometimes about, you
know, happiness, you don't haveto be happy, and we're not.
But in this, what we're talkingabout today, yeah, I do think,
(12:56):
because I think when you'reusing what you've been given,
you can be happy.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I think so, and I get that life is not always about
riding the wave of happiness.
It's just not.
However, I will say this it'sokay to be happy and it's okay
to be happy with what you do.
It's okay to enjoy your work,it's okay to enjoy whatever your
calling is.
You know, the Bible says thatthe calling and giftings of God
(13:22):
are without repentance.
That means here's what I'veseen You've seen it before too
is that whatever your gifting is, wherever you take that gifting
, it works.
Ok, if you have an oratoricalgift, which which means if
you're really good at speakingand you have the ability to have
persuasion and maybe I'm justusing this as an example Okay,
(13:45):
nothing, nothing concrete, butmaybe, maybe you were designed
to to be a preacher Okay, youcan also take that gift.
If you don't want to use it inthe church and I'm not saying
you shouldn't, I'm saying, ifyou don't, you can take it into
a courtroom and guess what thatgifts to a works.
Yeah, okay, but but I go backto you to say this is that you
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do have to find what you loveand what you're passionate about
.
You know, you do have to findwhat you're passionate about,
and everybody is passionateabout something.
There's something that justdefines who you are.
I think I asked you I don'teven remember if we really got
into it but what makes you tick,what's your thing?
And everybody's got to discoverthat makes you tick, what's
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your thing?
And everybody's got to discoverthat you have to identify and
take an inventory of where youare, what you're passionate
about, and you got to identifywhat you really want.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I have seen this so many times.
Men and women, the older theyget, they just waffle like a
fish out of water.
They don't know what they wantanymore.
You know, especially dudes.
Man dudes go through like amidlife I call it midwife crisis
.
They go through midwife midlifecrisis and, and you know, they
(14:57):
get tattoos.
You know they, they, they cut.
I got tattoos.
I'm making a joke.
They get tattoos, they startgetting in.
I don't know.
They do stupid stuff becausemen want to be challenged and
you know you and I have talkedabout that.
Women I can't identify with awoman because I'm not one, but
men need to be challenged andthe older I get, the more
challenged I need to be.
(15:18):
That's why I do dumb stuff,that's why I need to have dumb
stuff in my life, but alsofinding a passion and
identifying.
And that's the hardest thingsometimes.
What do you want?
One of my favorite movies andI'm a sap man, I'm a romantic
movie guy Like most people.
Look at me and think you'reprobably going to watch
documentaries all the time aboutGoggins.
(15:39):
I love Goggins, but I'm goingto be honest with you.
I love some Sweet Home Alabama.
You can kiss me anytime youwant.
I love the Notebook man.
The Notebook gets me all up inmy fields when he goes and lays
in that bed and tells her thestory of their life.
I'm like he gets me chillyright now.
You know what I'm saying, and,and I think about that scene,
though, where she'd been gonefor a long time and she comes
(16:02):
back and noah's built the houseand she stays with him a few
days and then she gets, she'sgot to leave, she's got to go
back to her, her fiance, andthey're out there and they're
arguing what do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
I don't know, and that's that'sthe whole point.
Sometimes is that we have toreally identify what we want,
because we've got to find that,and when you find that,
(16:25):
sometimes you can make a pivot,you can have a change.
So what else do you need to do?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
pivot.
You can have a change.
So what else do you need to do?
You know, I think when you dostart trying to take an
inventory of some of thesethings, then you I mean you
can't, I don't think you can,you know, think it to death
obviously.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But then you know you can't get caught up in the past
of well, I had to make couches.
I've had to make couches all mylife.
I have never had a choice.
Because you do have a choiceand it's not too late to have,
you know, to have a choice.
You can do what you want to do.
You can explore the things thatyou want to do.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, you can.
So you said it.
It's never too late to make achange, right?
Ok, let's talk about a coupleof people just off the top of
your head.
You know we were talking tosomebody last night.
You want to talk?
A good, a good friend of ours.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, so it's.
You know, when we were talkingabout pivoting just different
people.
We were talking about peoplethat we don't know, that are
famous, that made pivots, butyou know locally, the first
person that come to mind wasdean webb.
Dean made a huge pivot in hislife.
If you are from this area,you've heard of midnight pottery
right but before midnightpottery you may not have known
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who dean webb was and that deanwebb.
You know what bank he worked atand what his job there was.
But Dean Webb made a pivot inhis life.
He was you know, I rememberDean because I was actually a
waitress and worked at arestaurant that served lunches.
And I remember Dean coming inwith his banker friends in his
suit and all dressed up.
And then Dean made a huge pivotin his life and decided he was
(18:09):
going to do pottery, yeah, andopened Midnight Pottery.
If I remember right, it used tobe out huge pivot in his life
and decided he was going to dopottery and opened midnight
pottery, if I remember right, itused to be out off of um, off
the highway there.
It was out in Auburn, yeah, andso then, um, you know, then I
don't, I don't know if his nextlocation I think it was his
final location was there, youknow, on Gloucester, by blue
canoe, um, and, and built such athriving business, completely
(18:33):
different from banking, becausethe two, I don't think, hardly
have anything in common, but I'msure that had to be scary,
maybe even scary to his family.
I don't know for him to comehome and say hey guys, this
corporate job that I have, whereI go to work in a suit every
day, I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to grow a really longbeard and I'm going to make
pottery.
Now, that's what we're going todo.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I respect it, dean.
I respect it man.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I've loved every time I've been around his wife, but
I would have loved to have beena fly on the wall too, to when
he said, hey, this is what I'mgoing to do, this is it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, see, I've known his wife for a while, christy.
I've known her for a whilebecause we all, you know she's a
little bit older than I was inschool, but I've known her, so I
can imagine how that went, butI've always respected that and
I've always.
We got to know Dean becausewe'd all go hang out, like not
(19:29):
together, but we'd see him atplaces and talk to him, and so
that was a huge pivot, hugepivot.
And it was funny because, likeyou said, when he talked to his
family, it brought back a memoryto us 2006,.
We've had several pivot momentsin our life, but one of them,
specifically, was I was sellingfor Cisco Foods and you had
started doing real estate and Igot my license, and so we just
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said, hey, we're going to dothis full time.
And so we set our kids down.
Our kids were I don't know,they were young, and we set them
around the table and said, hey,we're going to dad's going to
quit his job and we're going togo sell real estate full time.
And you remember what one ofthe kids said yeah, I think it
was our son.
(20:10):
Our son.
What did he say?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Are we going to be poor now?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Are we going to be poor again, are we?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
going to be poor again, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And of course my answer was no, and I'm thinking
I don't know.
You know what I mean.
I have no idea.
This is a pivot moment here,maybe maybe not.
I don't know thing.
When it comes to to pivoting,you absolutely can overanalyze
the heck out of stuff.
One of us in our relationshipis an overanalyzer and gets
(20:37):
paralyzed because they have tohave the perfect time to do
things and the perfect storm andsituation.
And the other one's like, hey,let's go do it, and uh I'm not
gonna say who that is, but it'stiffany and uh, so you can't
overanalyze always.
Sometimes you've got to pivotwhen the pivot is there, right.
The other thing I think is youcan't make excuses.
You know, I think in our dayand time because we were, we
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were just talking about somebodythat had just made some excuses
on our way here, and in thisday and time it is so easy to
make an excuse.
I can't do it.
And in this day and time it isso easy to make an excuse I
can't do it, I can't do this andI can't do that.
And the thing that I hate I'veread this lately a whole bunch
is that I don't have a choice.
Well, you do have a choice.
(21:23):
Now, I understand everybody's.
You know you want to come at me?
Great, come on.
But for the most part you havea choice and it may not be what
happens to you, but it's how yourespond.
You have a choice, and soexcuses is one of those things.
You can't pivot if you makeexcuses all the time.
Yeah you absolutely can.
The other thing is, you got tobroaden your skillset.
(21:45):
Now what does that look likefor you, like we were talking
the other day for you, what doesthat look like?
You need to broaden your skillset.
How do you do that?
What do you need to do just forsomebody like you?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, for somebody like me, I don't know.
But I mean, I think you talkingabout conversation I was
talking to someone who wasapplying for a job and they're
not.
They weren't sure if they'regoing to get it or not, because
they didn't know all the thingsthey needed to know and I said,
okay, well, if you don't get itthis time, then you know from
the questions they're asking youthat you didn't feel like you
knew what.
All you got to go learn.
(22:17):
So that when an opening comes upagain.
You've learned those things,those systems and those programs
Like, and so if there'ssomething that you want to do,
it's time to get on YouTube.
Look at classes somewhere.
You know, what is it thatyou're going to need to know
Because now you know.
You say it's easy to makeexcuses, but it's also kind of
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ridiculous to make excuses inthis day, and age.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Say that, say it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Because there is knowledge everywhere about
whatever it is you want.
You know that, you want to know.
You know I'm not ashamed toadmit that caramel cake is my
nemesis.
It is very hard for me to getthe icing right, but you know
there is information out therenow.
You know, used to 15 years agowe had all recipes.
(23:06):
There was nobody as muchcooking all this stuff
everywhere for us to watch everystep.
So I watch TikToks, I watchYouTube.
I do everything because I youknow me when it comes to
desserts, like I don't want itto be good, I want it to be
perfect, I want it to be thebest, and so I'm in search of
like, whatever it is.
I've got a tweak to make myrecipe perfect, but I have no
(23:26):
excuse for anything cooking wise.
If I want to take my knowledgeup, you know a level.
If you want to learn a languageso that you can apply for a job
that requires you to you knowto, to be bilingual like there's
just no excuses for so much ofthis now.
If you want to pivot and dosomething else in your life,
absolutely, classes, evenclasses are offered now at night
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and on Saturdays for programs.
People apply to work for methat are in a Saturday program
for certain things.
Honestly, to me it's a littleharder to make an excuse.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And that's good, because there is zero really
excuse to not be able to learnnew skills.
And I was thinking about beingbilingual and that's one of the
things that I've tried beforeand probably, to be honest with
you, I wasn't very diligent.
I learned a few things.
So you know, you can get onBabbel I know that's
(24:20):
conversational learning but youcan get on there for like $66
for the year, but man, I can'tspend $66 to learn a new
language.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But if you can't, then there's a guy on tiktok,
and every day he teaches you aword.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
He says no way, is that the parody guy?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
no, it's okay, there's a.
There's a guy I follow.
He's hispanic and every day heteaches you a word and he shows
you what that word is like.
You get a visual, you hear it.
He says so it's free.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, but again, I go back to I don't want to spend
$66, but we'll go spend $50 toeat.
Yeah, you know, and it reallyit's an excuse of learning a new
skill and I think that thatmatters, you know.
The other thing is you got tochange your bubble of friends.
I can just tell you right nowif you're not advancing and
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you're not going the places youwant to go, there's a good
chance you need to look aroundand say, huh, who am I being
influenced by?
Who is in my circle?
And you might need to changeyour circle.
Now, I know that's hard, becauseif you've been homies for life,
you know what I'm saying.
Like I've been friends withpeople for a long time, life,
you know what I'm saying.
(25:30):
Like I've been friends withpeople for a long time.
But if they're not really, youknow, do what?
What is it there's?
If you're hanging around fourdeadheads, you're the fifth one
and uh, and my kids hate thatterm, deadhead, but I use it as
an old man but but I'm sayingyou might need to change your
bubble.
I need to change your, your,your friends, any other things
there that just pop out to you.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I mean, you know we we've talked about
sometimes you have to change,change your routine up a little
bit.
If you need to pivot but youcan't do that because you are in
situations to where you stillgot to be doing whatever you're
doing, then you have to changeyour routine up a little bit.
What does you know?
What does that look like?
You know?
Um, that's some of somethingthat comes to mind to me.
(26:11):
You've got to do things alittle different.
That's a very old you know tohave things you never have.
You've got to.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do things you've never done Do things you've
never done.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So yeah, you have to sometimes just change up that a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You may have to cut Netflix off for a while or Hulu,
and just do something to learn,yeah, and change.
You got to change things.
And I think that's the crux ofthis whole thing is, when you
pivot is that you have to changesomething.
If you want something different, you got to do something
different.
That's just the way it is.
And and and.
I like these, and I'm going touse a couple of examples here.
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People like, well, I mean, I'mjust too old, you know, I'm kind
of just stuck here and I'malmost at retirement, I'm almost
at whatever, and I'm just goingto cruise this bad boy in.
And I think about some of thesepeople that I'm going to call
out.
Everybody knows Betty White.
Betty White man, she is an icon, golden Girl.
She's a funny old lady.
(27:07):
You know she passed awayrecently, but everybody loved
Betty White.
But did you know that BettyWhite didn't break in until she
was 51?
She made her first appearanceon the Mary Tyler Moore show at
51.
So the back half of her lifewas bad versus the first part.
Everybody knew Betty White whenshe passed away and everybody
(27:29):
loves Betty White.
I didn't know this one Duck andHines Duck and Hines cake mix.
He was 55 years old.
That was a man, duncan Hines,duck and Hines Duck.
I don't know, you know this,you cook.
I have no idea, but Duck andHines 55 years old.
And he didn't start with cakemix.
(27:50):
He started with a publicationcalled Good Eating in America.
People asked him say, hey,where's a good place to eat in
America?
He published a book and he soldthem for a dollar.
But he's 55 years old.
How about Ray Kroc?
Everybody know Ray Kroc.
No, yes, you do, mcdonald's.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's his name.
I always thought it would besomething like Bob McDonald,
like Sam Walton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, ray Kroc wasn't the founder of McDonald's.
The McDonald's was in SanBernardino.
The first one was in SanBernardino, california, and he
met them.
Ray Kroc was a milkshake makerseller, so he'd go try to sell
milkshake machines and he metthe McDonald people and so he
bought his first from McDonald'sfranchise when he was 52 years
(28:42):
old.
And the rest is history.
How about Julia Child?
You know Julia Child?
Yeah, 50 years old.
50 years old when she publishedher first cookbook.
So you're still on track.
I'm still on track.
Still on track.
How about Grandma Moses?
You know Grandma Moses, famouspainter?
You know when she startedpainting?
78 years old?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know why she started painting?
Because she had a pivot moment.
Her arthritis had gotten so badthat she couldn't embroider
these scenes anymore.
I don't know whatever that is.
She could not do that anymore.
So one of her friends said hey,why don't you paint those
scenes?
She became famous after that.
(29:24):
Colonel Sanders everybody knowsKFC.
62.
62.
, 62.
How about Martha?
How about Martha Stewart?
Everybody knows Martha Stewart.
Yeah, but you know she was astockbroker and she was a model
before she opened her firstcatering company in her 40s.
(29:46):
That crazy, yeah.
How about Nelson Mandela?
Everybody know Nelson Mandela.
If you don't, you need to watchthe movie.
It's a really, really goodmovie.
He spent 27 years in jail, butthen he got elected 75 years old
.
I'm telling you, it is nevertoo late to make a pivot.
It's never too late to have apivot moment Because you get
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intertwined.
Sometimes your identity getswrapped up into what you do.
Sometimes and this is this iswho I am Men are famous for this
.
When a man meets another man,they say hey, what's up?
And what's the first questionmen ask?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
What do you do?
What do you do yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You know why?
Because they want to know whatlevel of respect do I need to
give you?
Where do you fall in therespect line?
Because men get identity basedon what they do and that's just
stupid, just to be quite honest.
That's stupid Because when youfall in love with what you do
and you're passionate about whatyou do, and those gifts and
those callings, man, they justscream out.
(30:44):
It's not about money, it ain'tabout fame, it ain't about
fortune, it's about walking inthe very thing that you were
created to do.
And I'm excited about that.
I'm excited about pivoting.
And you know, I told you theother day we were talking look,
I'm not done, I'm 52.
I'm not done.
Podcasting for us was a pivot,yeah, huge pivot, you know
(31:06):
because, because I don't mindtalking, that's just kind of one
of my things, but I have topull it out of you sometimes,
you know, and it's uncomfortablefor you to be behind this
microphone at times.
But we've pivoted, we've gottenmore comfortable.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
These are just things that we're doing, so well, it's
funny, because you know um Ican talk but I can chase rabbits
.
So the hard part for me is to isto stay on track with whatever
we're talking about today andnot talk about something else.
But you know, even with this asas some people would probably
think, that like this is just soeasy for me, the fear in doing
(31:44):
this was I don't like negativefeedback and I know the more you
put yourself out there withthings, and that's, you know,
one of the things.
I met with my business coachand we've got a plan, had a plan
for me, and that's one of thethings I said is like, the more
I put myself out there, I it'll,I'm afraid it's gonna.
I've gotten tougher being inbusiness for myself that's right
but I know it'll hurt myfeelings sometimes if somebody
(32:05):
just says something so mean.
So for me you talk about fearswith different things, like I'm
not.
I wasn't necessarily, you know.
One of the things is well,anybody listen?
Does anybody care?
What we have to say was justthe mean people said I don't
want to.
You know, I don't want to do itbecause of the mean people.
So with anything I think youare going to have, you're going
to have on your cons list whenyou're making your pros and cons
(32:28):
, you're going to have some consand for me, like for this, like
I said, it's like you know meanpeople but because the mean
people don't bother you as much,I care less, like I want to be
mean back, but I've reallyalways tried to take the high
road, because trolls are goingto come out of the bridge and
from under the bridge.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
that's just what trolls do, because they're
unhappy with their own life andthey're just going to troll you
and and and the truth is, isthat nobody really cares?
Yeah, you know and that's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But the thing is is that, yeah, nobody cares.
But if you, I can tell you thaton a weekly basis, and
especially about certain topics,somebody will message me that I
don't even talk to often orwhatever, and it always makes me
like it makes it, makes itmakes that week worth it, you
know, because you think, ok,that's why we're doing what we
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do.
But if I would have listened tothat, then I wouldn't have
people that say, like what yousaid about marriage, this week
We've been practicing that andit's helped us so much.
Or what you said about business, like I've been stuck opening a
business and I didn't know thenext, like that that helps so
much, and so like, if, if we, ifyou don't pivot sometimes and
you let those excuses andreasons and fears and all the
(33:41):
reasons you shouldn't on the conlist, you just don't, you have
no idea what could be on theother side.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Absolutely, and that's a really good place to
stop right.
There is that man.
If you've got something in yourheart and listen, I'm not
telling you to be foolish, okay,but I'm telling you you may
very well have a pivot momentcoming in your life and I will
say this I don't know that theyhappen often Sometimes.
Sometimes that pivot momentmoves on and you miss it.
I'm not saying something, don'tcome back around on the other
(34:12):
side, but I'm telling you youneed to pay attention and you
need to be cognizant of a pivotmoment when it comes around,
because when it comes around,that's your chance, man.
You jump right into it.
You know, I'm thinking about myman, Michael, right here.
I don't know that probably whenhe was shooting basketball back
in the day and breaking ankles,said that he thought I'm going
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to pastor that church one day.
But pivot bang, here we are andit's and it's blowing and it's
going, it's doing great and thetestimonies coming out of this
thing is awesome, because hewalked into his pivot moment.
And so I don't know today, aswe get ready to close, I'm not
sure where you are.
If you're listening I'm tellingyou you're not done.
You may have only just began.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You may feel like that.
You're at the bottom of theladder, looking up, but I can
tell you that one pivot momentin your life will change
everything, that thing that Godmay be put in your heart, or
whatever it is that you'retalented or gifted or passionate
about.
I'm telling you pivot, find away to pivot, and your whole
life can change.
Any final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, and I think when you do that, when you start
finding those things, you justhave a renewed sense of purpose.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And you wake up excited and not just you know
I've got to go do this thingthat I don't like today or
whatever, or I don't like mylife.
Like you have a renewed senseof purpose and passion when you
find those things Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Absolutely Well.
Hey, thank you so much forlistening today.
We love spending time with you.
Hey, listen, if you're onSpotify, if you're on Apple
podcast or anything like that,we'd appreciate a five-star
review, maybe even some kindwords there.
Anything you could do wouldhelp us.
We would really appreciate itand thank you so much for that.
We do want to say this hey,listen, tiffany and I are
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putting on a marriage conference.
You can find that link I'llpost it later on our page and on
our personal pages.
But we put on a marriageconference the first week of
September and it's a good time.
We had a great conference lastyear.
We've got some great peoplelined up Scott Dooley and
Heather Dooley, if you know,coach Dooley from East Union he
yells at everybody, he's intense, but he's a great guy.
(36:25):
Him and his wife have beenmarried a long time, got great
stories.
Tiffany and I have got asession and we've got another
couple that's got a sessioncoming, and so I just would
encourage you you can look forthat.
If you need help in yourmarriage, that's a good place to
pivot.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Or if you don't need help, or if you don't need help,
but still Just need to make itbetter.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Absolutely.
Hey, listen, we do want toencourage you that if you find
yourself not going the way youwant to go, find people who are
going the way you want to go andhop in there and flow with them
and you will find what you'relooking for.
Thank you so much for listening.
Have a great morning.
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