September 22, 2024 • 62 mins
Is Governor Tim Walz's leadership a triumph or a tragedy? Join us as we sit down with S. e. n. Paul Gazelka to uncover the stories behind his compelling new book, "Behind the Veil: A Stand Against Governor Tim Walz". S. e. n. Gazelka’s offers an unfiltered account of his experiences during the pandemic, the battle over emergency powers, and the turmoil following George Floyd's death. Now that Governor Walz is a Vice Presidential contender, S. e. n. Gazelka’s argues that it's more crucial than ever for voters to understand the controversial policies and decisions that have defined Minnesota's recent history.
In another gripping segment, HuttCast checks all the political boxes with a sharp focus on fiscal missteps and leadership challenges. Our conversation kicks off with an examination of Minnesota's budget surplus mismanagement and the ripple effects it could have on federal fiscal policies. We then shift gears to analyze the DNC convention, scrutinizing Kamala Harris's unexpected rise and her performance as Vice President, particularly in handling border issues. This episode promises a thought-provoking look at political maneuvering and its far-reaching consequences, blending firsthand accounts with insightful critiques. Don't miss this deep dive into the intricacies of American politics!
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Paul Kozelka is on the phone.
Paul, thanks for taking yourSunday and just having that
conversation with us.
Are you there?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, tim, and I think it's a good idea.
It's been a while since I wason your podcast and it's good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We're 100 countries now still well over 50 million
listeners I don't know wherethey are, but they're out there
and 7 language programs.
Now we've got seven languages.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's pretty amazing .
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know it sounds big, but in the global spec it's
just not.
But maybe we'll get theresomeday with the help of all our
listeners.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, hopefully this program will inspire people to
learn something new and maybeget out there and buy my book.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And maybe we know how to teach them how to vote too.
How about that?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well and be informed about how they're going to vote.
I mean, that's that's why Iwanted to write the book in the
first place is I wrote thismanuscript behind the veil a
stand against Governor Tim Walz?
In January I was on a beach inFlorida and I was just down
there.
I really felt like I shouldwrite it and wanted to remember
all the stories of what I had togo through during the pandemic
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and emergency powers and thedeath of George Floyd and the
riots that were after.
And I wrote it in about sixmonths and I just set it aside.
I was glad I wrote it, but Ididn't know if I was going to do
much with it.
And then suddenly Tim Walls isthe VP candidate for the United
States.
And I'm thinking I did all thesebattles against him and so I
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rushed to get the book out sothat people would have an
informed decision about whetherthey thought he was a good
leader or not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right, we know better here in this state.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Well, you know and he presents himself, you know a
couple things that happened.
Uh, so, at the democratconvention, they were bragging
that he had the biggest tax cutin minnesota history and that
was 2019, when he first becamethe governor, and he wanted big
tax increases and he wanted abig, grand, aggressive agenda or
progressive agenda.
And I said we're not doingeither one of those.
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We're going to lower taxes.
And in the end, as we startedto close out towards the end of
session, he finally gave in anddid the tax reductions that I
fought for, and so they weren'this to take credit for, but
that's what he tried to do, andso it's just interesting how the
different things turn out andwhat he takes credit for.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Another stolen valor.
Right, he stole your valor.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, in fact, in 2023, that was the first year he
also had the Senate and theHouse under Democrat control OK,
and we had an $18 billionsurplus and he spent all of that
.
And then he raised taxes $10billion, increased spending 40%
in one year and now in Minnesota, the future shows a structural
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deficit.
So what would he do with thefederal purse strengths?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves, because I've
got this quantified in my headhow we're going to lay this out,
because you have all the inteland I have all the questions.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That sounds good.
You're the boss.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, no, no, no.
You're the superstar.
We appreciate your time, solet's start in the beginning of
this here.
Let's go back to the DNCconvention.
We had 11 candidates up onstage and I thought they had
some pretty good talent going onthere.
All of a sudden, camilla,number 11th in the running,
totally comes in 1%.
Now, if I was any one of thosecandidates AB Kulbuchar, you
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name it, all these guys andMagic and Delicious, our
democratic process has failedthem Wouldn't you be a little
upset?
Because she was installed, shedidn't run, she lost.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
She lost badly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And then she wasn't.
You know, her resume as vicepresident is, I think, terrible,
especially on the border andnot even barely visiting down
there, and suddenly you just getplaced into that position.
I was actually shocked thatthat's how it was going to play
out.
But you know, maybe that wasBiden's one request.
I have no idea, but she's not agood choice.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, I'm furious as a Republican saying really this
is our process and she'sinstalled Now, trump had to run
against.
I'm furious as a Republicansaying really this is our
process and she's installed.
Now, trump had to run against.
I'm a Trump fan, but I'm acommon sense fan.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And Trump had to go up against the first guy, who
was?
He just sat back.
Now, trump never shuts up, hejust sits back and says okay,
this guy's going to hang himselfVery smart move, and then he
walks away with that debate.
And now he's going to hanghimself very smart move, and
then he, he walks away with that, with that debate, and now he's
got to debate another one.
Is that even remotely fair?
That's, that's two debates forhim and one for each of them
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honestly, it doesn't sound fair.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And and then, where the debate took place against
harris, uh, the fact that theyconstantly were correcting what
former President Trump would say.
Five times at least.
They never, ever, said thatabout Harris's misstatements.
You could tell the deck wasstacked, but I think he did fine
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.
I don't think he's a greatdebater.
Like my wife says, he's not agreat debater, but he sure is a
great doer.
He gets things done.
Yep, he's a doer and very poorpolitician, but he's not a great
debater, but he sure is a greatdoer.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He gets things done.
Yep, he's a doer and very poorpolitician, but he's a doer.
You know, everybody says stupidstuff.
I say stupid stuff all the time.
You think about it in hindsightand go maybe I shouldn't have
said that, but it's too late.
Cat's out of the bag.
He's one of those guys too.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I get it, yeah.
And what I tell people is look,look at the four years that he
was president.
Were you better off then?
And it's absolutely saferstreets, closed border,
prosperous economy.
Even when the pandemic hit, heresponded right away.
I mean, he shut down flightsfrom China, he warped speed the
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vaccine for anybody that wantedit.
And what he did is he didrather than sequential or yeah,
rather than sequential testing,he did simultaneous some kind of
a novel thought do all thetests at the same time.
And just like he promised, hesaid I'll have the vaccine out
by December.
And guess what?
He had it out by December.
Everybody laughed.
(09:44):
They said there's no way you'regoing to be able to do that,
you know.
But that was the kind of leaderhe was, and I think that's the
kind of leader we need again.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I had a cross my fingers moment for DeSantos.
I kind of liked the guy.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, desantis.
You know I've got a condo downin Florida and DeSantis is great
and they love them down there.
There was a number ofcandidates I thought were very
solid and I think would havedone a great job and polled
better against the Democrats.
But Trump is formidable.
You know people want to beathim but you know he's he's going
to.
(10:18):
I think he's going to make it.
God willing that's going tohappen.
It's going to come down to justseven states and you know, like
it or not, it all depends onwhat happens in those seven
states.
But I I think he's going tomake it.
I think it's going to be justbarely and that's maybe it's
hopeful thinking, but that's,that's what I think is going to
happen.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What you got to wonder now is now that they've
got all these extra ballotsprinted up with Biden's name on
there, do they have time toprint the new ones extra ballots
printed up with Biden's name onthere?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Do they have time to print the new ones?
Yeah, I think they'll figureout a way, because they
obviously they want to win, andwhat they don't have, compared
to the last presidentialelection, is so many mail-in
ballots I mean that that was areal problem in the last
election and they don't.
That's not the same issue thistime, and so you know, know I,
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it's going to be interesting.
I mean, I just texted somebodythis morning.
It feels like it's going to bejust about like a flip of the
coin as as far as who wins.
But you know, we'll see I.
That's part of the reason I'mput the book out too is I want
people to know.
You know, do you want a strongleader or do you want a weak
leader?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
that's the only reason putin moved in when he
did yep absolutely, and you knowwe had that discussion then
about why putin is there andeverybody says it's to grab this
, to grab no come on.
We know, we know what the realreason was, and it started back
in raggins days.
But let's fast forward this tocamilla.
So camilla's in, she's beeninstalled, she's in this
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position.
She does she go around thecontinental united states to go?
Who's the who's the crappiestguy we can put as vice president
and pick this dude well.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
so interesting because you know, as I think the
media around minnesota didn'texactly uncover all the stories
about Walls.
It was kind of like it feltlike they let him just pass and
so I don't think she kneweverything about him.
That was negative.
But even then, you know, as wekind of whittled down to the
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last three the Arizona Senatorand Shapiro from the governor of
Pennsylvania and Walls Ithought you know, if she picks
Walls, I think she's a weakleader because Shapiro of those
three was the strong Shapiro.
I mean, I just think you know.
and and yet the fact that he'sJewish and the fact that part of
her base really despises Israel, I think she went with walls,
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kind of like the last onestanding, uh, but you know that
that was her choice and suddenlyI got a lot more involved after
that happened so it wasn't achoice of a lack of options in
her mind yeah, I mean I I don't,I'm not in her mind so I don't
know for sure, but I I justthought it would have there,
were there were better kickpicks out there, partly because
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I I know governor tim wallspretty well and I thought man
he's, he is not a strong lead,he's a weak leader in a crisis
and he can't be trusted withpower.
And you know, when emergencypowers were demanded by Governor
Walz in Minnesota during COVIDRight, he kept him.
He kept him for 18 months andin the end in Minnesota it takes
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the House and Senate to agreeto get rid of them and the House
was controlled by Democrats sothey didn't want to do it.
But after 18 months even theyagreed, against the governor's
wishes, to take him away, and soI don't think he can be trusted
with power.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Fair point.
Fair point and common sense atthat.
So now let's preface this book.
You got here, you.
You have this information.
You've dealt with him a lot,you've worked with him a lot,
you've sat in rooms across thetable from him.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
yeah, I, I was the only republican uh in power when
walls took over, and so, youknow, for the first two two-year
budgets, through all of covetand the riots, I was the one,
and I'm you know, for the firsttwo year budgets, through all of
COVID and the riots, I was theone, and I'm you know, I kept
all of my text strings becauseduring COVID we didn't meet very
much, so a lot of it wastexting back and forth and phone
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calls, and so I'm the one thathas all of the records through
all of those crisis and thedecisions he made that were bad.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And what was your position at the time?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
crisis and the decisions he made that were bad.
And what was your position atthe time?
I was the Senate majorityleader, or the highest
Republican leader in the Senate,and we had a one seat majority.
The House was Democrat.
The courts were completelyalmost completely appointed by
Democrats.
All of the state electedofficials were Democrats.
So it was me and my Republicanteam and we hung together.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Wow, that just sounds weird, doesn't it?
I mean all that, an unbalancedpower.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, yeah, I mean it's so interesting Since then
Representative Gene Polowski,democrat in the Minnesota House,
resigned.
But he said in an open event,you know, just talk to everybody
out loud.
He just said I think Minnesotais better served when power is
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divided and Republicans have nothad House, Senate and governor
all at the same time.
So basically he's sayingDemocrats having all power is
not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, but we knew that, didn't we?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We knew it, but it was nice to hear a Democrat say
that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So you know, I always break up Democrats in two modes
.
I've got the Kennedy Democrats,which are today's Republicans,
and they don't know it, and thenyou've got the socialist
communist Democrats.
That's kind of how I've beenseeing it, and if you talk to
people you can kind of know whatside of their fence they're on
and they have their own fence.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And there's a growing number that lean heavy, heavy
left and less and less.
You know, we, some of thepeople, some of the moderate
Democrats we ended up beatingwith Republicans, but very few
that I would say are centricDemocrats.
They're all I mean they're.
And just to give an exampleonce once Jim Walz had complete
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control in 2023, he did anextreme left agenda, but the
support of it came from theHouse and Senate.
I mean by 2040, you have tohave 100 percent renewable
energy from utilities, and thatmeans solar, which doesn't work
well when the sun isn't shining.
It means wind and if it's below22 below and in Minnesota you
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can get to 60 below that doesn'twork.
And we don't have enoughnuclear.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, and so it doesn't work and we don't have
enough nuclear, yes, and so it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It doesn't work.
But it was many issues thatthey you know every, they're all
on the same page driven far tothe left, and the few moderate
democrats just ended up votingfor it and keeping their head
down that's a shame, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
it really is, because some of them did talk to me
privately.
I wish we hadn't gone this faron this or that.
Another example is GovernorWalz went 100 percent abortion
all the way to birth.
And you know, over the last twodecades in Act, if a young
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woman wanted to have the baby,we were providing resources,
cribs, counseling, those kind ofthings through these
organizations that wanted tohelp them.
They took away all of thatmoney.
They just said you know it'sgoing to all be all abortion and
nothing else and we're going totry to fund it anyway.
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And you know, if you're a 16year old girl, your parents are
no longer notified in Minnesotathat you're pregnant, I mean,
you know, I mean that's why Isay extreme energy, extreme,
pro-life, extreme.
On small business, they passthis, this paid family leave
bill that taxes every employer,every employee, and if the
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employer has one employee, thatemployee is eligible for up to
20 weeks off every year.
And if they milk the system,somebody is going to use that
and that doesn't work for asmall business, not at all.
And so those are the kind ofthings that he did that I think
are just really far, far out ofleft field.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And it's a typical Democratic playbook you ask for
the sky, you settle at the moon,you take the mountain, and all
you really needed was the mohill.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And, like I said, we had some decent compromise bills
.
You know I would have wanted tobe more conservative, but most
of minnesota was was, I think,reasonably satisfied when the
government was divided, but whenthey took everything, one-sided
and and yeah, and what I try totell people is look, tim walls
wanted to do that in 2019 and 20, 21, 22, I we just stopped him.
(19:06):
But after that, and and I bringthat up because the other thing,
during the announcement thattim walls is their vp candidate,
they try to portray him as this, this country gent, yeah, that,
you know, is for rural americaand it's like no, he's not.
He's the opposite of that.
Even when he ran for governorthe second time he was a
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congressman, the district herepresented did not vote for him
, voted for the Republicanagainst him running for governor
, and so that should tell yousomething too.
And even calling ruralMinnesota just a bunch of rocks
and cows I mean, I realize he'strying to be funny, but I'm from
rural Minnesota and I thinkthat's offensive.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, like I said earlier in the show, we all say
stupid things.
I'm guilty, Dude, I am guilty.
This is the next guy.
Because you think it's funny.
It comes out of your brain oneway and it gets represented all
totally wrong.
I'm not offending him in a way,no, no.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It comes out of your brain one way and it gets
represented all, totally wrong.
I'm not offending him in a way,but no, no, no, that's OK.
I mean, we're human, we're allhuman.
Yeah, In fact, you know thereare.
There are levels of grace thatI give the Democrats and
Republicans.
You're in front of a microphoneand you're surrounded by media
and every, every word iscaptured.
But I think if you do enough ofthem, it kind of reveals
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something underneath.
For example, when the riotshappened and we'll probably get
into it more but he was sodefensive when we pushed him.
Why didn't you get the guardout sooner?
And he said well, they're justa bunch of 19-year-old cooks
anyway sooner.
And he said well, they're justa bunch of 19 year old cooks
anyway.
Well, you know it's funny, butif you keep adding up these
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expressions, it's not so funny.
And if you were a guard member,you didn't think that was funny
.
And so that's where you have,as a leader, you have to be
smart about what you're saying,Otherwise you will get into
trouble.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I get it.
I mean I've not been in thechairs you have, but I have our
chairs at the local level and,yep, I can say the wrong things
on a regular basis.
I don't know if I'd be doingthe spatula thing with the guard
, but so let's back up and let'sstart this book thing Now.
You know I'm about fair andequal trade.
You know I've got the lefts andthe rights and the dems and the
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brebs.
I just want to go right downthe fence, but I got to lean
because common sense is leaningon that side for me, tim.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Waltz, what was your first mental currency?
To say, okay, we're going tostart punching letters in a book
here.
You know, I should just saywhen he first became governor I
thought it was going to be OK.
I mean, we tried to fixMinlar's that was the license
and registration registrationservice with the prior Democrat
Governor, dayton Sure, and hewouldn't do it.
And Walls, you know, we keptpushing.
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We need a third party to lookat this.
We think a private sectorsolution is better and they'd
already wasted $100 million.
But Walls agreed to do that andwe did end up with a private
sector solution and I thought,well, this is good.
And, like I said, that firstbudget where he wanted tax
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increases, he at least settledfor the tax decreases that I
agreed to and I thought, ok, Ithink this is going to be OK.
Where it really turned was whenhe grabbed emergency powers.
I mean, that was kind of thebeginning and even the first
month of that.
You know, house and Senate, wepassed three different bills for
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a lot of money almost a half abillion combined in all the
three bills and so we showedthat we could get money out
right away for this pandemic.
But but he kept hanging on toit.
And then he started making allthese unilateral decisions about
closing surgical centers, butabortion clinics could be open.
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He wasn't looking at thenumbers the way I was.
He said 40,000 to 50,000 peoplewill die if we shut everything
down.
And I put the exact quote inthe book.
But I texted out to aconstituent or messaged and I
said it's going to be about5,000 people a year from now.
And that's what it was.
But every decision he bought amorgue and I said don't you
(23:27):
think we should lease it ormaybe use freezer trucks?
And he had the power to do itand we never used the morgue.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And that's for sale now, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, it might've even sold.
But when they were closing downthese surgical centers, I said,
governor, look to New York.
I said they have four times thepopulation and they don't show
the number of beds you sayMinnesota is going to need?
Right, but that was so.
Emergency powers gave him kinglike powers, and I, just now,
all I could do is give himadvice, and he wasn't listening
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to much of it.
And that that is where we beganto part ways, I would say
within 60 days of the pandemic,when it no longer was an
emergency.
Now we started to push and thatgot harder and harder.
The riots came and it got evenharder.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, that's a fair statement came and it got even
harder.
Well, you know that's a fairstatement.
I mean, you quantified that yougave him the choice you gave
him.
The alternative didn't makesense to you and at that point I
mean, why do you continue tobeat a dead horse?
I see it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I'm always respectful.
I mean I'm known aroundMinnesota's capital, or at least
when I was there, as somebodythat was civil, respectful,
measured.
I mean I don't fly off thehandle.
In fact I did a TV interviewand it came to somebody who had
a daughter, an adult daughter,an adult daughter, adult
daughter that was 40 years old.
They said I and you know farleft liberal.
(25:02):
But she said at least gazelkadoesn't use all the name calling
and just lays it out and andthat's, that was a compliment to
me, because I don't, I don'tlike to get into, you know, all
the the calling.
I don't think it gets usanywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Eighth grade politics .
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, but I'm not afraid to confront.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
See, there's where our current guy running for
president has that fallback.
He tries to do that, he doesthat and I just wish if he would
shut up once in a while, he'dwin more.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm sure you're not the first one to tell him that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, no, and obviously he didn't listen
either.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Right, yeah, you know .
And Biden, you know, if youthey're one and only debate.
I mean he kept calling Trumpthe slimy names too.
I mean it's just like, yeah,we're better than this.
But you know, it is kind of thenature of of where politics is
in America right now and youknow we'll see how that changes
over time.
But on my part, you know, thebook is very straightforward but
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you can read through the entirething that it's civil, it's
respectful.
I got you know, like I said,the governor before Walls was
Dayton and we still talk.
He called me up within the lastcouple of months asking for
help on something and I washappy to help him, you know.
And so that's where you know Ithink that's how politics is
meant to be.
(26:23):
You know, if you look at Reaganand Tip O'Neill Tip O'Neill was
the Speaker of the HouseDemocrat Reagan built a
relationship with him and they,you know they were on two sides
of the aisle but they figuredout that it actually worked well
if they could have a decentworking relationship.
And you know, I don't know ifyou've seen the Reagan movie,
(26:44):
but this is in my book too whenthere was the attempted
assassination on Reagan.
One of the first people he letinto the hospital to see him was
Tip O'Neill, and together theysaid the 23rd Psalm.
Together, I mean it was justlike well, this is how I hope it
gets to be again in the future.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It's a powerful, powerful statement the future.
I'll do my part.
Well, we would like to hopeeverybody could do their part.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, you know, we need more statesmen and less
politicians.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's women too, for that matter but how about
some, just some common sense?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
well, there's a thought I'll settle with that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
uh, what's your?
What is your book open up at?
I mean it, what's your firstchapter?
How do you?
What does it say?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
well.
You know the first few chaptersabout are about how I got into
politics Behind the Veil in thispolitical climate, is about
looking at Governor Tim Walz andwhat was he like behind the
scenes.
But really the whole book isabout what goes on behind the
scenes, how you negotiate.
Some know some of the playerson the Democrat side and the
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Republican side.
You know how we even got intopolitics and so you know because
I wrote it pre-Tim Walz beingthe VP candidate I really wanted
to help people understand howthis process works.
That, for example, that actuallyif it's divided government, you
have to find some place in themiddle that both sides can live
(28:18):
with.
And if on the Republican side,republicans will say, well, are
our people caved in?
Well, on the Democrat side,their people will say they caved
in Right, I mean right, butthat's, that's civics 101.
How do you actually make thegovernment work for all the
people?
And you know so I talk a lotabout those kind of things and I
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also talk about stories offaith where I really felt like
God was leading me, inspiring me, whether it is that was to
forgive somebody or to givesomebody the benefit of the
doubt.
So those kind of stories are inthere too, because from our
very beginning, some of our bestleaders counted on Almighty God
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to help them, and that's what Iwant to do.
So some of those stories are inthere too.
But by the time you get to the10th chapter, then it all turns
towards my relationship with TimWalls and how that was.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We are 26 minutes into this first segment.
I got to take a commercialbreak.
How about when we come back, wetalk about the actual mechanics
of the book and why Tim Walzwas, in your opinion, calling
the shots he was calling?
I mean, some of these shots arelike way off.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That sounds good.
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Paul E Kozelka, behind the veil.
Did I get that right?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yep behind the veil, a stand against Governor Tim
Walz.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Things we should know as the american people.
Now, you guys overseas, you'renot going to get much of this, I
get it, but we'll hit our localbase here, our domestic base,
and we should have listeners.
So so, when we left the othersection, the mechanics of this
book, now setting this up, giveme a, for instance, on one of
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your biggest moments in ameeting with him, and he's
calling the wrong shots.
Now, whether it's George Floyd,whether it's burning it down,
whether it's go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I think the biggest complaint I had for Tim
Walz and his leadership tookplace after the death of George
Floyd.
I mean, that was where ourinteractions were most intense,
because the death of GeorgeFloyd, everybody worldwide knows
about that, and that was on aMonday and I watched the video
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and it grieved me.
So I you know everybody was, Ithink, in some way traumatized
by it.
And the riots in Minneapolisstarted on Tuesday and that
would have been a good time tothink.
You know, in some waytraumatized by it.
And the riots in Minneapolisstarted on Tuesday and that
would have been a good time tothink, you know, maybe we're
going to need some more help.
But by Wednesday the mayor ofMinneapolis, the biggest city in
Minnesota, asked Tim Walz forthe National Guard.
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And that's the moment where TimWalz is completely responsible.
And he did not act and he justsat there, he sat on his hands
so that when Thursday came, theMinneapolis 3rd Police Precinct
burned down by the rioters.
That's the first one in Americain over 100 years.
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And at that point I'm pushingthe governor, I'm saying where
are the guard?
And he was very, very defensive.
He just, you know it was like,and you know it's just very,
very frustrating.
He was, you know, blaming otherpeople, blaming the mayor of
Minneapolis that he had askedthe governor for the National
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Guard on Wednesday.
And so then we get to Fridayand the governor says, okay, now
I'm in charge, and they don'tenforce the curfew.
I think on Thursday they had atotal of 190 guard members out.
It was just like none.
And now they burned down aWells Fargo building and now
it's up to 1,500 businessesdamaged or destroyed, many
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minority-owned, and it's likethis all could have been stopped
.
And so now I call the WhiteHouse and I ask my contact there
.
Can you reach President Trumpand ask if he will find a way to
intervene because our governoris frozen, and ask if he will
find a way to intervene becauseour governor is frozen?
And then I went on our local TVstation, care 11, and talked to
the newscaster there and justsaid I'm just so upset he won't
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act.
And she said what would you do?
And I was already talking tothe police of Minneapolis and
they knew exactly what to do,but Tim Walz did not.
And so finally, by Saturday thegovernor brought out the
National Guard in full force andactually began to take control
of the riots, but it was toolate, it was five days too late
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and as a result of that it justspread around the whole world
and then he wouldn't takeresponsibility for it, like I
said.
And so we did hearings in theSenate in Minnesota and we
brought in the general of theNational Guard in Minnesota and
under testimony we asked him ifyou had been asked to come out
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earlier, could you have stoppedthese riots?
Could you have stopped theseriots?
And so we have this documented.
But he said, in myunprofessional police opinion,
yes, in my professional militaryopinion, yes, and that was the
end of the story.
I mean, in the end Tim Walzfailed to act, and I bring that
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up because if he's now second incommand of the United States,
if he's now second in command ofthe United States, you don't
get a do-over with China orRussia or Iran or North Korea or
all of our adversaries aroundthe world.
You've got to be ready rightoff the bat.
And so that was.
You know, there's plenty ofsituations during COVID and
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situations after, when they toredown the statue of Christopher
Columbus, right, but reallyactions during the riots was the
part that really I mean where Iwent very public because I was
very upset and most of the timeI try to act behind the scenes
to get things done, but I had togo very public during that time
.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Now your voter base is in Blaine, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, up in Brainerd, but I'm now retired, at least I
think I'm totally retired.
Okay.
But I represented centralMinnesota.
But really, once I becameleader of the Senate, I felt
like I represented the entirestate, and so I went everywhere
to understand everybody'sproblems the best I could.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Sure, sure, because I think Blaine is a pretty red
city, is it not?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It is and we had rioting up there and in four
hours north of Minneapolis in atown called Bemidji.
There were planned riots upthere and the Minneapolis, or
the police up there, got intelthat there was not planned riots
and they found Molotovcocktails and bricks set aside
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in different locations and afriend of mine was the
sharpshooter over in the MiddleEast I forget which war, but
they put him on top of thepolice precinct there and as he
was up there he realized ifsomebody's coming at this
building with a Molotov cocktail, I have no way down, I'm going
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to have to shoot him.
Yes, you know, and in that casethey discovered all of their,
their plans, ahead of time andnothing came of it.
But it's spread out everywhere,and had they stopped it in
Minneapolis two days after thedeath of George Floyd, I'm not
so sure it would have gonearound the world.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And one other thing about it is the number of police
that have been killed fromgunshot wounds or assault spiked
way, way up.
After that After that time andit hasn't come down, and that is
a tragedy, because we need thepolice to keep our streets safe.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Absolutely.
Now.
Here's the fence I'm tellingyou about Now.
I'm not condoning what GovernorWalz did at the time.
None of us and I mean none ofus has been in that position.
How would you know what to dowhen you're in that position?
Do you listen to your trustedfew?
Do you listen to your trustedmany?
I mean, think about it.
(37:34):
I've never been in thatposition.
Do you listen to your trustedfew?
Do you listen to your trustedmany?
I mean, think about it.
I've never been in that.
You've never been in that spot.
How would you just say, okay, Idon't want to tip the saboteur,
but I still want to make surethat we're not burning things
down like third precinctbreaking and entering, busting
up all these businesses becausehe's not pro-small business.
We know that.
How would you sue that?
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How would you do that?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Well, what I would say is I think he was trying to
thread the needle between thevast majority of the protesters
were part of his political side,and the other side of the issue
is protecting the state ofMinnesota.
And you know, just like, acouple months later, mike Bursia
said he was going to go up tothe Capitol in Minnesota broad
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daylight and tear down thestatue of Christopher Columbus,
and so this again would be apolitical calculation.
But the governor put onehighway patrol out by the statue
as roughly 50 to 100 people mobcame up.
Mike Perseo had a rope in hishand and that highway patrol.
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They were talking to each otherand then he went.
The highway patrol went intothe capitol, mike Perseo put a
rope around the the statue andpulled it down.
And there's scores and scoresof highway patrol in the capital
, and so again, it was poorleadership.
If you think that that statueshould be pulled down, you don't
have it pulled down by a mob.
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You have a legislativeconversation about it, about
whether that should stay thereor not.
And as far as the riots inMinneapolis, you do listen to
your people.
I talked to one of the leadersof the Minneapolis police in
Minneapolis and I asked him whatwould you do?
He told me exactly what neededto be done, days before the
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governor ever responded, andearlier the governor, I think
they had some sort of a spat andthe governor asked me if I
would reach out to him and Ithink he was being sarcastic,
this was in a text.
But I did reach out to that guy, asked for his phone contact,
asked permission if I could sendit to the governor.
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He said yes, and had helistened to him he could have
avoided a lot of the damage.
And so I know what I would havedone because I look back at my
text strings about what I saidto do when I said to do it.
And so that's where, yeah you,sometimes you don't know what
you're going to do.
You know, in COVID, for example, when the governor said I'm
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going to lock everything down,Right.
And if I do that, 40 to 50,000people will die.
I looked at the same data, butnot just from the University of
Minnesota, but all of the modelsaround the country, and I said
it's going to be 5,000 peopleand a year later, like I said,
it was 5,000.
But in this case, all of hisdecisions were made based on
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looking at the data wrong, andso you know, that's why I'm
concerned about what he would belike as a national leader, and
so that and I write about it inthe book, so that I try to make
that case that you know this isimportant for people to at least
weigh what kind of leader he is, or at least was, and I think
that's the best indication ofwhat leader, what kind of leader
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, he would be in the future.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's not like we can recall him if he wins.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
No, and you know, as a Christian, I'll pray for his
success If he's the electedleader.
I want our leaders to besuccessful, but as we're coming
into the election, I'm going todo my best to tell people who I
think is the best candidate.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is your story.
None of them are perfect.
Yeah, there's no such thing asperfect Yep.
And given the fact that this isyour story and you have the
most intimate contact with himon the Republican side, it would
certainly make sense to listento some of that information.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, that's why I wrote Behind the Veil.
And you know, the other thingabout it is I had a number of
contacts with President Trumpand so I contrast the two
leaders you know.
So I write a lot about Tim Walzand then I write a chapter
about a number of times I spentwith President Trump riding in
the beast and at the AbrahamAccords and different things
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like that, and at the AbrahamAccords and different things
like that, and how quickly heresponds decisively, versus how
Tim Walz does not do that.
So Behind the Veil has that inthere as well, because I want
people to think about the kindof leader they want and I want
them to be objective andrational, not emotional.
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Objective and rational, notemotional.
Because in elections, theonslaught of all of the ads and
all the revving up people Ithink causes us not to see
things as we should.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Kind of sets more polar to the polarization
process.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, and without a doubt, that's the hardest time
to be a political leader is inthe election cycle, you know,
and then you hope that you canheal the.
To be a political leader is inthe election cycle, you know,
and then you hope that you canheal the wounds after, you know.
In this case, I'm not trying torun for anything right now, so
I can just be a voice in thewilderness saying this is what
we should do.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But you're a voice that carries a lot of clout.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, I hope so.
You know I wanted to.
You know, I know that when Iwas leader I said I was going to
lower the tone at the Capitolin Minnesota and most people
around there would say that thatis what happened and many of
the journalists that they wouldcome up to me and say
Republicans are in my time inleadership.
You guys are the adults in theroom because you know there were
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other Republican leaders in theHouse the governors.
They, you know they.
I don't think they did as wellas we did, because there were
other Republican leaders in theHouse the governors.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I don't think they did as well as we did and I was
very proud of what we ended upaccomplishing there during that
time.
What is your biggest takeawayon this book?
I mean, if you were to say tosomeone, pull this up, they
don't have time to read it, whatchapter would you want to hit?
First or last or the onlychapter?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, the first chapter I would hit would be the
chapter on the riots.
The death of George Floyd ishow I begin that the overall
theme of the book beyond theelection will be civility and
government.
How do you value people, dogood, love, mercy, walk humbly?
I share many, many stories ofthat throughout the book and in
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politics there is a place thatyou must confront but you can
still do that in an honorableway.
President Reagan, when he calledthe Soviet Union at the time
the evil empire.
But again he built arelationship with Mikhail
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Gorbachev and he could tell him,mr Gorbachev teared down that
wall, you know, and so he wasrespectful, but he was firm and
after it was all over, gorbachevcame out to the Reagan Ranch in
Southern California and visitedwith Ronald Reagan.
I mean, you know, that's whatwe need and that's a theme that
I have that is woven throughoutthe book is how do we do this
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thing called government in a waythat works for everyone, and a
big part of it is honoringpeople.
Oath of office Absolutely A lotof people don't understand what
anath of office.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
A lot of people don't understand what an oath of
office is.
In our little neck of the woodsthey say you're not.
We sit on a board and they sayyou're not voted in, you're only
appointed.
And I say I missed the point ofwhere your oath was different
than mine, because it doesn'tmatter how you get there, it
matters what you do when you'rethere.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Well, that's really a good point.
When I first became leader ourminority leader who would
virtually almost automaticallybecome the leader when we were
in the minority he lost and yetwe won by one seat the first
time.
You know, I don't, you know, Igave the credit to the other guy
(45:43):
, david Hand, you know, but itso it felt like a mantle that
came on me.
But you know, I just for awhile people had to.
You know they'd call me Paul orthey'd call me senator and I
wouldn't even, I wouldn't evenanswer until they said Paul.
You know, I just want to be aguy that loves his wife and
small business owner and lovesfamily, loves God.
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And oh yeah, I'm going to besomebody in government and I
want to do that.
The same way I did family, thesame way I did business.
When I told a bunch of peopleand I said we're going to lower
the tone, I said look, thisconstant fighting doesn't work
in a marriage and family.
It sure doesn't work in abusiness.
So why do you think it's goingto work in a marriage and family
?
It sure doesn't work in abusiness.
So why do you think it's goingto work in government?
Because long term it doesn't.
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If you can't find a way to tryto work together, you can't see
the way to solve problems.
And our country is very divided.
And how do you make it work foreveryone?
Well, it starts with that.
Excellent points behind the veil, behind the veil has all of
that in there and if you don'tknow about walls and you want to
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know about walls behind theveil is stand against.
Governor tim walls really laysthat out and it's subjective,
it's not mean-spirited but it.
I hope it would make peoplethink and and understand and
know what they think, know whatto do.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
And I'm sure from your tone and all the
conversations we had before thatit's not a, it's not an evil
piece to spike back.
It's just going to be a factual, almost like a documentary.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, somebody even called it that.
You know, and I don't.
I don't dislike Tim Walz, Ididn't dislike a Governor, mark
Dayton.
You know Speaker Hortman's aDemocrat in Minnesota.
We got along, you know, so it's.
But it's also that what I tellsome people is like look he's,
he's trying to apply for thesecond highest, most powerful
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job in America and I'm areference, and I'm a reference
that says don't hire him Right.
That doesn't mean I dislike him.
Like I said, if he wins he'sgoing to have my prayer support
because I want him to besuccessful, if he wins, but I
don't want him to be thecandidate for the reasons I lay
out in the book.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
But again, I bet the people that installed Camilla
into that position didn't thinkthis far ahead.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Honestly, I think the media at the national level has
just brought them a lot moreout than what the Minnesota
media did, for whatever reasonI'm not saying it was diabolical
, I don't know.
If they just didn't work hardenough, I really don't know, but
it's kind of been a constantstream of things that people
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bring up.
You know about what he did as aleader, and when I wrote the
book, I was on a Minneapolistalk radio, and so they glanced
through the book and they saidman, I didn't realize all of
these things you have in thebook.
They said, man, I didn'trealize all of these things you
have in the book.
I've never heard them before.
Well, most of them were, atsome point or the others,
something I did in a pressconference or whatever, but they
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, you know, they just didn't getout there, and so so the book
reveals those things.
It reveals the actual quotes Ihad with the, or texts, with the
Minneapolis police officer thatgave me the the street
strategic plan, what to doduring the riots, and you know.
And just what I did not do,though, is all of these text
strings.
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I considered releasing them all.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
That was my question, right there.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, one of the national media uh, I won't say
which one, but he said youreally, for his history, should
release those and I reallythought about it a lot.
But in the end, the behind thescene, private conversations
between people that are ondifferent sides of the aisle are
really special and are there'sgreat risk.
You take risk to try to findsolutions and you might say
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things that you know you maybewouldn't want public and so and
you know, and then there'sconversations in there about you
know, our kids, his kids, whenthey said something, kids that
happened to me, you know in myfamily, and you know just stuff
that you just I didn't, I don'twant it out there, but but the
things related to his leadershipthat I want to talk about and
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so so I kept them private, butit really reminded me about what
happened when.
So people can't spin the storyand make it something that I
know it isn't because I've gotthe data.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Right, right, you're the one in control.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And I see that you know, because people don't
understand, that when you aretalking with someone on the
other side at least in our smallworld, in my politic world that
you do talk those conversations.
You don't want the worldknowing it's a sacred
conversation and one of thethings that I've always held
dear and true to my own thing isif you say this only happens in
this room, it stays in thisroom forever.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, I don't even talk to my wife about it.
No, that's being a man of yourword.
And you know I, I am the same.
You know one thing you know I, Iuh, compromising is not an evil
word, but some people think itis, and by compromise I mean in,
you know, agreeing to a budgetthat neither side really really
likes.
But then, when I did decide torun for governor in Minnesota, I
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wasn't picked by my side and,and in the end it was because I
had to make some of thosedecisions as the leader, but I
wouldn't trade what I had theopportunity to be a part of for
anything.
I mean, it was so valuable towatch, as you have to work with
somebody that you're often polaropposite with and find
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solutions, and so, yeah, butthat's, you know, and that's
some of those conversations thatwere just, you know, we had to
share things to get to a placethat we could.
You know, yeah, and the leftand right can just barely touch
their fingertips in the middlesomewhere and get that done, and
then you move right and moveleft.
You know so, but I love doingit.
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It was, uh, it was a real honorto serve the people in
Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well, we appreciate that and we thank you for your
service.
And, as for many times this is,the wife has given me a whole
lot of heck for not telling hersomething that already happened,
that you know in thoseconversations I really I got a
chapping going on there.
I'm I'm getting used to it now,yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, no, it's been good, tim.
I hope people get the book.
I really think you knowlearning about Tim Walz, but
also learning about government.
You know behind the veil, astand against Governor Tim Walz.
You can get it on AmazoncomRight now.
They're listing it as abestseller.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yep, and you just go there, click it, buy it and tell
me what you think.
Are they doing any audiobookson that?
Not yet, I don't know.
It's interesting the publisher.
He said normally we take fourmonths to do these.
I said we don't have fourmonths we have four weeks 45
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days.
Yeah, and they literally got itdone in four weeks.
But we we really pushed to getit done.
And so you know, I don't knowthat I'll ever do an audio.
We'll see.
We'll see, um, you know, howmuch popular or how much
interest people have.
So far they have a lot ofinterest, but, um, you know,
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we'll see, but for now it's justKindle book and then the
paperbacks available.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
To now we had Liz Collins on the show and after
her show here she wentnationwide with all her books.
I mean, it just went incredible.
And she ended up making a movie?
Any thoughts on a movie withthis process?
Because I tell you what.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
there's enough information here where you could
process Because I tell you what, there's enough information
here where you could you knowthat that is.
That'd be an interestingthought.
I mean, we'll see.
Liz Collins did a greatinterview Alpha News laying out
all the questions related to TimWalls.
She focused just on Tim Wallsthere and in my work with him,
but she did a super job.
(53:40):
And Bob Kroll, the lead policeofficer in Minneapolis that I
worked with from the policeunion, what I found out when she
did the interview she had saida little bit about it earlier
talking to me when I'm askingfor his contact to give to
(54:02):
Governor Tim Walz, when I'masking for his advice about what
he would do.
So it's so interesting.
Even that would fit into amovie, right, right.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Right and when Chauvin, derek Chauvin Chauvin
Was on his neck with theapproved use of force, I might
add.
He's on the phone.
Do you know who he was on thephone with?
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Bob Kroll.
I think he was Bob Kroll.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yes, he was.
Yeah, it was on the horn withhis police union because he knew
this was going to be a crapshow.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and it was unfortunate.
I, I, um, I have a number ofpolice officers that uh told me
once.
Uh, um, george Floyd wasincapacitated.
A standard procedure is to rollthem over.
Uh, you know, and so you know,but you got an angry crowd
around you.
It's, it's a nightmare, but,and in the end, you know, in the
(55:02):
end he went before a jury ofhis peers and he was considered
guilty.
Those are tough situations, Imean.
The other one I talk about inthe book is Potter the police
officer with Daunte Wright andthat whole story, because she
also went to jail and was like,look, this one is clearly a
(55:23):
mistake.
She thought it was a taser,instead she shot him.
And I think a lot about doctorswhen they make a clear mistake,
they don't go to jail, there'sjust a huge civil penalty if
somebody dies.
And you know, because she was,you know anyway, that's I didn't
even put a lot.
I put some of that in the book.
(55:43):
I didn't put it all in the book.
I mean, you know, literallythey were going to move her from
where she was incarcerated toto another place a long ways
away and I had to intervenebecause it was just like you're
not going to keep her away fromher family.
She's already been punishedenough.
But you know, and that wholeanti-police movement I do talk
(56:05):
about it in the book becausepeople need to be aware of the
consequences of beinganti-police.
I mean, in Minneapolis therewere 800 police officers prior
to the death of George Floyd andthey were asking for 400 more
and then after the death ofGeorge Floyd, after the
anti-police push, they went downto just above 300 police
(56:28):
officers, from 800 down to 300something and they can't do
their job.
I mean, you know.
So it was just a tragedy and Iwrite more about that in the
book related to police officersbeing kicked out of a union hall
and kicked out of high schools.
The SROs.
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And then all of the consequencesof all of those actions and Tim
Walz was pushing for thosethings and I just said we are
not doing those anti-policemeasures.
We did do about 10 reforms butI worked with the police because
most police officers are goodand honorable men and women.
(57:11):
So I worked with those peopleto make sure we had good police
procedures in place and not theanti-police things that the
governor wanted.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Right.
I think the only thing thatwould have helped his case more,
Governor Walz, is if he waswith Mayor Fry crying over the
coffin of George Floyd.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
One more story about it.
You know, in the basement ofthe Capitol is where many police
officers from around the regionconservation officers, highway
patrol they all staged in thebasement of the Capitol and I
saw it from my Senate office.
It's across the road butthere's a tunnel that goes
underground, and so I wentunderground and went to see them
and Mike Ledoux from theHighway Patrol took me from
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group to group and I just wentaround thanking each one of them
for being there because it wasvery, very dangerous.
And later I found out that thegovernor never went to see any
of them.
No, and they were deeplyoffended.
So it shouldn't surprise youthat none of those major police
organizations did not endorsehim for governor.
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They were very upset.
You know the fact that he hadchosen his side and the police.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yep, he made a choice .
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, he made a choice yeah, he made a choice, I
made a choice.
I was on the other side of thatwell, it sounds like the good
side well, I think so.
I.
You know every, every group hasa few bad apples, and you got
to pluck them out with insuranceagents like me, or attorneys,
police etc.
But the vast number of policeofficers, men and women, are
(58:44):
just amazing and they're puttingtheir lives on the line almost
every day.
And you know, I just think weshould be thanking them a whole
lot more for the, for the, whatthey do to keep our community
safe.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yep, instead of demonizing them.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yep, exactly, well, remember, if this thing goes go
ahead.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
I I'll just say I put a lot of that in the book too,
because I just, you know, theseare so many different aspects
that, uh, it's amazing that theyall got crunched into just a
few years.
I mean, it was just like crisisafter crisis, you know, and I
lived through that and Igoverned through that well, if
this goes to audiobook, rememberHuttCast.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Here I've got a radio voice.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
No, that sounds good, so I hope you buy the book
Behind the Veil a stand againstGovernor Tim Walz, and let me
know what you think.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
All right, can we find you on Facebook?
Do you have a spot for thatbook?
Can we find you on Facebook, do?
Speaker 3 (59:41):
you have a spot for that book.
You can find me on Twitter asbest, or X at Paul Gazelka on
Facebook.
It's just Senator Paul Gazelka.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
So either one I try to respond to people as best I
can and then GazelkacomG-A-Z-E-L-K-A Gazelka website,
where you can.
You can buy books there too,for that matter, but we just
redirect you to Amazon anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Okay, it sounds like one heck of a book.
I did get the manuscript awhile back, uh, pre-reading and
when I started reading I'm likeHoly cow, this is incredible.
So if you want to reach out,reach out to Paul Kazalka.
Reach out to a system, Leave anote message, Tell him how you
like the book Available.
Download on Kindle.
Was that what you said?
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, kindle, which is Amazon, and then you get a
print copy from Amazon too, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Paperback.
Well, I appreciate you comingon here on Sunday and telling us
about this whole story.
Again.
You kind of rung a bell with mewhen you said you are his
reference.
You're his job reference.
That's pretty real.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
That's pretty real for me.
I'm like holy cow.
He's absolutely right.
Well, okay, headcast again.
You guys from across the world,you probably won't have much
bite in this, but for us we gota sink or swim for us now.
And, senator, thank you.
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Thank you for coming out anddoing this today.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I'm just, I'm humbled to hear your words.
Well, it's an honor, Tim.
I think you're doing a goodwork and I'm glad we could
connect.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
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Paul Kozelka is on the phone.
Paul, thanks for taking yourSunday and just having that
conversation with us.
Are you there?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, tim, and I think it's a good idea.
It's been a while since I wason your podcast and it's good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We're 100 countries now still well over 50 million
listeners I don't know wherethey are, but they're out there
and 7 language programs.
Now we've got seven languages.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's pretty amazing .
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know it sounds big, but in the global spec it's
just not.
But maybe we'll get theresomeday with the help of all our
listeners.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, hopefully this program will inspire people to
learn something new and maybeget out there and buy my book.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And maybe we know how to teach them how to vote too.
How about that?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well and be informed about how they're going to vote.
I mean, that's that's why Iwanted to write the book in the
first place is I wrote thismanuscript behind the veil a
stand against Governor Tim Walz?
In January I was on a beach inFlorida and I was just down
there.
I really felt like I shouldwrite it and wanted to remember
all the stories of what I had togo through during the pandemic
(04:31):
and emergency powers and thedeath of George Floyd and the
riots that were after.
And I wrote it in about sixmonths and I just set it aside.
I was glad I wrote it, but Ididn't know if I was going to do
much with it.
And then suddenly Tim Walls isthe VP candidate for the United
States.
And I'm thinking I did all thesebattles against him and so I
(04:52):
rushed to get the book out sothat people would have an
informed decision about whetherthey thought he was a good
leader or not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right, we know better here in this state.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Well, you know and he presents himself, you know a
couple things that happened.
Uh, so, at the democratconvention, they were bragging
that he had the biggest tax cutin minnesota history and that
was 2019, when he first becamethe governor, and he wanted big
tax increases and he wanted abig, grand, aggressive agenda or
progressive agenda.
And I said we're not doingeither one of those.
(05:31):
We're going to lower taxes.
And in the end, as we startedto close out towards the end of
session, he finally gave in anddid the tax reductions that I
fought for, and so they weren'this to take credit for, but
that's what he tried to do, andso it's just interesting how the
different things turn out andwhat he takes credit for.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Another stolen valor.
Right, he stole your valor.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, in fact, in 2023, that was the first year he
also had the Senate and theHouse under Democrat control OK,
and we had an $18 billionsurplus and he spent all of that
.
And then he raised taxes $10billion, increased spending 40%
in one year and now in Minnesota, the future shows a structural
(06:19):
deficit.
So what would he do with thefederal purse strengths?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves, because I've
got this quantified in my headhow we're going to lay this out,
because you have all the inteland I have all the questions.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That sounds good.
You're the boss.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, no, no, no.
You're the superstar.
We appreciate your time, solet's start in the beginning of
this here.
Let's go back to the DNCconvention.
We had 11 candidates up onstage and I thought they had
some pretty good talent going onthere.
All of a sudden, camilla,number 11th in the running,
totally comes in 1%.
Now, if I was any one of thosecandidates AB Kulbuchar, you
(06:58):
name it, all these guys andMagic and Delicious, our
democratic process has failedthem Wouldn't you be a little
upset?
Because she was installed, shedidn't run, she lost.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
She lost badly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And then she wasn't.
You know, her resume as vicepresident is, I think, terrible,
especially on the border andnot even barely visiting down
there, and suddenly you just getplaced into that position.
I was actually shocked thatthat's how it was going to play
out.
But you know, maybe that wasBiden's one request.
I have no idea, but she's not agood choice.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, I'm furious as a Republican saying really this
is our process and she'sinstalled Now, trump had to run
against.
I'm furious as a Republicansaying really this is our
process and she's installed.
Now, trump had to run against.
I'm a Trump fan, but I'm acommon sense fan.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And Trump had to go up against the first guy, who
was?
He just sat back.
Now, trump never shuts up, hejust sits back and says okay,
this guy's going to hang himselfVery smart move, and then he
walks away with that debate.
And now he's going to hanghimself very smart move, and
then he, he walks away with that, with that debate, and now he's
got to debate another one.
Is that even remotely fair?
That's, that's two debates forhim and one for each of them
(08:14):
honestly, it doesn't sound fair.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And and then, where the debate took place against
harris, uh, the fact that theyconstantly were correcting what
former President Trump would say.
Five times at least.
They never, ever, said thatabout Harris's misstatements.
You could tell the deck wasstacked, but I think he did fine
(08:37):
.
I don't think he's a greatdebater.
Like my wife says, he's not agreat debater, but he sure is a
great doer.
He gets things done.
Yep, he's a doer and very poorpolitician, but he's not a great
debater, but he sure is a greatdoer.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He gets things done.
Yep, he's a doer and very poorpolitician, but he's a doer.
You know, everybody says stupidstuff.
I say stupid stuff all the time.
You think about it in hindsightand go maybe I shouldn't have
said that, but it's too late.
Cat's out of the bag.
He's one of those guys too.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I get it, yeah.
And what I tell people is look,look at the four years that he
was president.
Were you better off then?
And it's absolutely saferstreets, closed border,
prosperous economy.
Even when the pandemic hit, heresponded right away.
I mean, he shut down flightsfrom China, he warped speed the
(09:24):
vaccine for anybody that wantedit.
And what he did is he didrather than sequential or yeah,
rather than sequential testing,he did simultaneous some kind of
a novel thought do all thetests at the same time.
And just like he promised, hesaid I'll have the vaccine out
by December.
And guess what?
He had it out by December.
Everybody laughed.
(09:44):
They said there's no way you'regoing to be able to do that,
you know.
But that was the kind of leaderhe was, and I think that's the
kind of leader we need again.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I had a cross my fingers moment for DeSantos.
I kind of liked the guy.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, desantis.
You know I've got a condo downin Florida and DeSantis is great
and they love them down there.
There was a number ofcandidates I thought were very
solid and I think would havedone a great job and polled
better against the Democrats.
But Trump is formidable.
You know people want to beathim but you know he's he's going
to.
(10:18):
I think he's going to make it.
God willing that's going tohappen.
It's going to come down to justseven states and you know, like
it or not, it all depends onwhat happens in those seven
states.
But I I think he's going tomake it.
I think it's going to be justbarely and that's maybe it's
hopeful thinking, but that's,that's what I think is going to
happen.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What you got to wonder now is now that they've
got all these extra ballotsprinted up with Biden's name on
there, do they have time toprint the new ones extra ballots
printed up with Biden's name onthere?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Do they have time to print the new ones?
Yeah, I think they'll figureout a way, because they
obviously they want to win, andwhat they don't have, compared
to the last presidentialelection, is so many mail-in
ballots I mean that that was areal problem in the last
election and they don't.
That's not the same issue thistime, and so you know, know I,
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it's going to be interesting.
I mean, I just texted somebodythis morning.
It feels like it's going to bejust about like a flip of the
coin as as far as who wins.
But you know, we'll see I.
That's part of the reason I'mput the book out too is I want
people to know.
You know, do you want a strongleader or do you want a weak
leader?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
that's the only reason putin moved in when he
did yep absolutely, and you knowwe had that discussion then
about why putin is there andeverybody says it's to grab this
, to grab no come on.
We know, we know what the realreason was, and it started back
in raggins days.
But let's fast forward this tocamilla.
So camilla's in, she's beeninstalled, she's in this
(11:45):
position.
She does she go around thecontinental united states to go?
Who's the who's the crappiestguy we can put as vice president
and pick this dude well.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
so interesting because you know, as I think the
media around minnesota didn'texactly uncover all the stories
about Walls.
It was kind of like it feltlike they let him just pass and
so I don't think she kneweverything about him.
That was negative.
But even then, you know, as wekind of whittled down to the
(12:16):
last three the Arizona Senatorand Shapiro from the governor of
Pennsylvania and Walls Ithought you know, if she picks
Walls, I think she's a weakleader because Shapiro of those
three was the strong Shapiro.
I mean, I just think you know.
and and yet the fact that he'sJewish and the fact that part of
her base really despises Israel, I think she went with walls,
(12:38):
kind of like the last onestanding, uh, but you know that
that was her choice and suddenlyI got a lot more involved after
that happened so it wasn't achoice of a lack of options in
her mind yeah, I mean I I don't,I'm not in her mind so I don't
know for sure, but I I justthought it would have there,
were there were better kickpicks out there, partly because
(12:59):
I I know governor tim wallspretty well and I thought man
he's, he is not a strong lead,he's a weak leader in a crisis
and he can't be trusted withpower.
And you know, when emergencypowers were demanded by Governor
Walz in Minnesota during COVIDRight, he kept him.
He kept him for 18 months andin the end in Minnesota it takes
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the House and Senate to agreeto get rid of them and the House
was controlled by Democrats sothey didn't want to do it.
But after 18 months even theyagreed, against the governor's
wishes, to take him away, and soI don't think he can be trusted
with power.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Fair point.
Fair point and common sense atthat.
So now let's preface this book.
You got here, you.
You have this information.
You've dealt with him a lot,you've worked with him a lot,
you've sat in rooms across thetable from him.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
yeah, I, I was the only republican uh in power when
walls took over, and so, youknow, for the first two two-year
budgets, through all of covetand the riots, I was the one,
and I'm you know, for the firsttwo year budgets, through all of
COVID and the riots, I was theone, and I'm you know, I kept
all of my text strings becauseduring COVID we didn't meet very
much, so a lot of it wastexting back and forth and phone
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calls, and so I'm the one thathas all of the records through
all of those crisis and thedecisions he made that were bad.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And what was your position at the time?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
crisis and the decisions he made that were bad.
And what was your position atthe time?
I was the Senate majorityleader, or the highest
Republican leader in the Senate,and we had a one seat majority.
The House was Democrat.
The courts were completelyalmost completely appointed by
Democrats.
All of the state electedofficials were Democrats.
So it was me and my Republicanteam and we hung together.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Wow, that just sounds weird, doesn't it?
I mean all that, an unbalancedpower.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, yeah, I mean it's so interesting Since then
Representative Gene Polowski,democrat in the Minnesota House,
resigned.
But he said in an open event,you know, just talk to everybody
out loud.
He just said I think Minnesotais better served when power is
(15:13):
divided and Republicans have nothad House, Senate and governor
all at the same time.
So basically he's sayingDemocrats having all power is
not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, but we knew that, didn't we?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We knew it, but it was nice to hear a Democrat say
that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So you know, I always break up Democrats in two modes
.
I've got the Kennedy Democrats,which are today's Republicans,
and they don't know it, and thenyou've got the socialist
communist Democrats.
That's kind of how I've beenseeing it, and if you talk to
people you can kind of know whatside of their fence they're on
and they have their own fence.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And there's a growing number that lean heavy, heavy
left and less and less.
You know, we, some of thepeople, some of the moderate
Democrats we ended up beatingwith Republicans, but very few
that I would say are centricDemocrats.
They're all I mean they're.
And just to give an exampleonce once Jim Walz had complete
(16:15):
control in 2023, he did anextreme left agenda, but the
support of it came from theHouse and Senate.
I mean by 2040, you have tohave 100 percent renewable
energy from utilities, and thatmeans solar, which doesn't work
well when the sun isn't shining.
It means wind and if it's below22 below and in Minnesota you
(16:38):
can get to 60 below that doesn'twork.
And we don't have enoughnuclear.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, and so it doesn't work and we don't have
enough nuclear, yes, and so it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It doesn't work.
But it was many issues thatthey you know every, they're all
on the same page driven far tothe left, and the few moderate
democrats just ended up votingfor it and keeping their head
down that's a shame, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
it really is, because some of them did talk to me
privately.
I wish we hadn't gone this faron this or that.
Another example is GovernorWalz went 100 percent abortion
all the way to birth.
And you know, over the last twodecades in Act, if a young
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woman wanted to have the baby,we were providing resources,
cribs, counseling, those kind ofthings through these
organizations that wanted tohelp them.
They took away all of thatmoney.
They just said you know it'sgoing to all be all abortion and
nothing else and we're going totry to fund it anyway.
(17:46):
And you know, if you're a 16year old girl, your parents are
no longer notified in Minnesotathat you're pregnant, I mean,
you know, I mean that's why Isay extreme energy, extreme,
pro-life, extreme.
On small business, they passthis, this paid family leave
bill that taxes every employer,every employee, and if the
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employer has one employee, thatemployee is eligible for up to
20 weeks off every year.
And if they milk the system,somebody is going to use that
and that doesn't work for asmall business, not at all.
And so those are the kind ofthings that he did that I think
are just really far, far out ofleft field.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And it's a typical Democratic playbook you ask for
the sky, you settle at the moon,you take the mountain, and all
you really needed was the mohill.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And, like I said, we had some decent compromise bills
.
You know I would have wanted tobe more conservative, but most
of minnesota was was, I think,reasonably satisfied when the
government was divided, but whenthey took everything, one-sided
and and yeah, and what I try totell people is look, tim walls
wanted to do that in 2019 and 20, 21, 22, I we just stopped him.
(19:06):
But after that, and and I bringthat up because the other thing,
during the announcement thattim walls is their vp candidate,
they try to portray him as this, this country gent, yeah, that,
you know, is for rural americaand it's like no, he's not.
He's the opposite of that.
Even when he ran for governorthe second time he was a
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congressman, the district herepresented did not vote for him
, voted for the Republicanagainst him running for governor
, and so that should tell yousomething too.
And even calling ruralMinnesota just a bunch of rocks
and cows I mean, I realize he'strying to be funny, but I'm from
rural Minnesota and I thinkthat's offensive.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, like I said earlier in the show, we all say
stupid things.
I'm guilty, Dude, I am guilty.
This is the next guy.
Because you think it's funny.
It comes out of your brain oneway and it gets represented all
totally wrong.
I'm not offending him in a way,no, no.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It comes out of your brain one way and it gets
represented all, totally wrong.
I'm not offending him in a way,but no, no, no, that's OK.
I mean, we're human, we're allhuman.
Yeah, In fact, you know thereare.
There are levels of grace thatI give the Democrats and
Republicans.
You're in front of a microphoneand you're surrounded by media
and every, every word iscaptured.
But I think if you do enough ofthem, it kind of reveals
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something underneath.
For example, when the riotshappened and we'll probably get
into it more but he was sodefensive when we pushed him.
Why didn't you get the guardout sooner?
And he said well, they're justa bunch of 19-year-old cooks
anyway sooner.
And he said well, they're justa bunch of 19 year old cooks
anyway.
Well, you know it's funny, butif you keep adding up these
(20:51):
expressions, it's not so funny.
And if you were a guard member,you didn't think that was funny
.
And so that's where you have,as a leader, you have to be
smart about what you're saying,Otherwise you will get into
trouble.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I get it.
I mean I've not been in thechairs you have, but I have our
chairs at the local level and,yep, I can say the wrong things
on a regular basis.
I don't know if I'd be doingthe spatula thing with the guard
, but so let's back up and let'sstart this book thing Now.
You know I'm about fair andequal trade.
You know I've got the lefts andthe rights and the dems and the
(21:24):
brebs.
I just want to go right downthe fence, but I got to lean
because common sense is leaningon that side for me, tim.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Waltz, what was your first mental currency?
To say, okay, we're going tostart punching letters in a book
here.
You know, I should just saywhen he first became governor I
thought it was going to be OK.
I mean, we tried to fixMinlar's that was the license
and registration registrationservice with the prior Democrat
Governor, dayton Sure, and hewouldn't do it.
And Walls, you know, we keptpushing.
(22:01):
We need a third party to lookat this.
We think a private sectorsolution is better and they'd
already wasted $100 million.
But Walls agreed to do that andwe did end up with a private
sector solution and I thought,well, this is good.
And, like I said, that firstbudget where he wanted tax
(22:22):
increases, he at least settledfor the tax decreases that I
agreed to and I thought, ok, Ithink this is going to be OK.
Where it really turned was whenhe grabbed emergency powers.
I mean, that was kind of thebeginning and even the first
month of that.
You know, house and Senate, wepassed three different bills for
(22:42):
a lot of money almost a half abillion combined in all the
three bills and so we showedthat we could get money out
right away for this pandemic.
But but he kept hanging on toit.
And then he started making allthese unilateral decisions about
closing surgical centers, butabortion clinics could be open.
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He wasn't looking at thenumbers the way I was.
He said 40,000 to 50,000 peoplewill die if we shut everything
down.
And I put the exact quote inthe book.
But I texted out to aconstituent or messaged and I
said it's going to be about5,000 people a year from now.
And that's what it was.
But every decision he bought amorgue and I said don't you
(23:27):
think we should lease it ormaybe use freezer trucks?
And he had the power to do itand we never used the morgue.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And that's for sale now, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, it might've even sold.
But when they were closing downthese surgical centers, I said,
governor, look to New York.
I said they have four times thepopulation and they don't show
the number of beds you sayMinnesota is going to need?
Right, but that was so.
Emergency powers gave him kinglike powers, and I, just now,
all I could do is give himadvice, and he wasn't listening
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to much of it.
And that that is where we beganto part ways, I would say
within 60 days of the pandemic,when it no longer was an
emergency.
Now we started to push and thatgot harder and harder.
The riots came and it got evenharder.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, that's a fair statement came and it got even
harder.
Well, you know that's a fairstatement.
I mean, you quantified that yougave him the choice you gave
him.
The alternative didn't makesense to you and at that point I
mean, why do you continue tobeat a dead horse?
I see it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I'm always respectful.
I mean I'm known aroundMinnesota's capital, or at least
when I was there, as somebodythat was civil, respectful,
measured.
I mean I don't fly off thehandle.
In fact I did a TV interviewand it came to somebody who had
a daughter, an adult daughter,an adult daughter, adult
daughter that was 40 years old.
They said I and you know farleft liberal.
(25:02):
But she said at least gazelkadoesn't use all the name calling
and just lays it out and andthat's, that was a compliment to
me, because I don't, I don'tlike to get into, you know, all
the the calling.
I don't think it gets usanywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Eighth grade politics .
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, but I'm not afraid to confront.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
See, there's where our current guy running for
president has that fallback.
He tries to do that, he doesthat and I just wish if he would
shut up once in a while, he'dwin more.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm sure you're not the first one to tell him that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, no, and obviously he didn't listen
either.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Right, yeah, you know .
And Biden, you know, if youthey're one and only debate.
I mean he kept calling Trumpthe slimy names too.
I mean it's just like, yeah,we're better than this.
But you know, it is kind of thenature of of where politics is
in America right now and youknow we'll see how that changes
over time.
But on my part, you know, thebook is very straightforward but
(26:03):
you can read through the entirething that it's civil, it's
respectful.
I got you know, like I said,the governor before Walls was
Dayton and we still talk.
He called me up within the lastcouple of months asking for
help on something and I washappy to help him, you know.
And so that's where you know Ithink that's how politics is
meant to be.
(26:23):
You know, if you look at Reaganand Tip O'Neill Tip O'Neill was
the Speaker of the HouseDemocrat Reagan built a
relationship with him and they,you know they were on two sides
of the aisle but they figuredout that it actually worked well
if they could have a decentworking relationship.
And you know, I don't know ifyou've seen the Reagan movie,
(26:44):
but this is in my book too whenthere was the attempted
assassination on Reagan.
One of the first people he letinto the hospital to see him was
Tip O'Neill, and together theysaid the 23rd Psalm.
Together, I mean it was justlike well, this is how I hope it
gets to be again in the future.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It's a powerful, powerful statement the future.
I'll do my part.
Well, we would like to hopeeverybody could do their part.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well, you know, we need more statesmen and less
politicians.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's women too, for that matter but how about
some, just some common sense?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
well, there's a thought I'll settle with that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
uh, what's your?
What is your book open up at?
I mean it, what's your firstchapter?
How do you?
What does it say?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
well.
You know the first few chaptersabout are about how I got into
politics Behind the Veil in thispolitical climate, is about
looking at Governor Tim Walz andwhat was he like behind the
scenes.
But really the whole book isabout what goes on behind the
scenes, how you negotiate.
Some know some of the playerson the Democrat side and the
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Republican side.
You know how we even got intopolitics and so you know because
I wrote it pre-Tim Walz beingthe VP candidate I really wanted
to help people understand howthis process works.
That, for example, that actuallyif it's divided government, you
have to find some place in themiddle that both sides can live
(28:18):
with.
And if on the Republican side,republicans will say, well, are
our people caved in?
Well, on the Democrat side,their people will say they caved
in Right, I mean right, butthat's, that's civics 101.
How do you actually make thegovernment work for all the
people?
And you know so I talk a lotabout those kind of things and I
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also talk about stories offaith where I really felt like
God was leading me, inspiring me, whether it is that was to
forgive somebody or to givesomebody the benefit of the
doubt.
So those kind of stories are inthere too, because from our
very beginning, some of our bestleaders counted on Almighty God
(29:00):
to help them, and that's what Iwant to do.
So some of those stories are inthere too.
But by the time you get to the10th chapter, then it all turns
towards my relationship with TimWalls and how that was.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We are 26 minutes into this first segment.
I got to take a commercialbreak.
How about when we come back, wetalk about the actual mechanics
of the book and why Tim Walzwas, in your opinion, calling
the shots he was calling?
I mean, some of these shots arelike way off.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That sounds good.
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Paul E Kozelka, behind the veil.
Did I get that right?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yep behind the veil, a stand against Governor Tim
Walz.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Things we should know as the american people.
Now, you guys overseas, you'renot going to get much of this, I
get it, but we'll hit our localbase here, our domestic base,
and we should have listeners.
So so, when we left the othersection, the mechanics of this
book, now setting this up, giveme a, for instance, on one of
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your biggest moments in ameeting with him, and he's
calling the wrong shots.
Now, whether it's George Floyd,whether it's burning it down,
whether it's go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I think the biggest complaint I had for Tim
Walz and his leadership tookplace after the death of George
Floyd.
I mean, that was where ourinteractions were most intense,
because the death of GeorgeFloyd, everybody worldwide knows
about that, and that was on aMonday and I watched the video
(31:47):
and it grieved me.
So I you know everybody was, Ithink, in some way traumatized
by it.
And the riots in Minneapolisstarted on Tuesday and that
would have been a good time tothink.
You know, in some waytraumatized by it.
And the riots in Minneapolisstarted on Tuesday and that
would have been a good time tothink, you know, maybe we're
going to need some more help.
But by Wednesday the mayor ofMinneapolis, the biggest city in
Minnesota, asked Tim Walz forthe National Guard.
(32:09):
And that's the moment where TimWalz is completely responsible.
And he did not act and he justsat there, he sat on his hands
so that when Thursday came, theMinneapolis 3rd Police Precinct
burned down by the rioters.
That's the first one in Americain over 100 years.
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And at that point I'm pushingthe governor, I'm saying where
are the guard?
And he was very, very defensive.
He just, you know it was like,and you know it's just very,
very frustrating.
He was, you know, blaming otherpeople, blaming the mayor of
Minneapolis that he had askedthe governor for the National
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Guard on Wednesday.
And so then we get to Fridayand the governor says, okay, now
I'm in charge, and they don'tenforce the curfew.
I think on Thursday they had atotal of 190 guard members out.
It was just like none.
And now they burned down aWells Fargo building and now
it's up to 1,500 businessesdamaged or destroyed, many
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minority-owned, and it's likethis all could have been stopped
.
And so now I call the WhiteHouse and I ask my contact there
.
Can you reach President Trumpand ask if he will find a way to
intervene because our governoris frozen, and ask if he will
find a way to intervene becauseour governor is frozen?
And then I went on our local TVstation, care 11, and talked to
the newscaster there and justsaid I'm just so upset he won't
(33:45):
act.
And she said what would you do?
And I was already talking tothe police of Minneapolis and
they knew exactly what to do,but Tim Walz did not.
And so finally, by Saturday thegovernor brought out the
National Guard in full force andactually began to take control
of the riots, but it was toolate, it was five days too late
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and as a result of that it justspread around the whole world
and then he wouldn't takeresponsibility for it, like I
said.
And so we did hearings in theSenate in Minnesota and we
brought in the general of theNational Guard in Minnesota and
under testimony we asked him ifyou had been asked to come out
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earlier, could you have stoppedthese riots?
Could you have stopped theseriots?
And so we have this documented.
But he said, in myunprofessional police opinion,
yes, in my professional militaryopinion, yes, and that was the
end of the story.
I mean, in the end Tim Walzfailed to act, and I bring that
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up because if he's now second incommand of the United States,
if he's now second in command ofthe United States, you don't
get a do-over with China orRussia or Iran or North Korea or
all of our adversaries aroundthe world.
You've got to be ready rightoff the bat.
And so that was.
You know, there's plenty ofsituations during COVID and
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situations after, when they toredown the statue of Christopher
Columbus, right, but reallyactions during the riots was the
part that really I mean where Iwent very public because I was
very upset and most of the timeI try to act behind the scenes
to get things done, but I had togo very public during that time
.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Now your voter base is in Blaine, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, up in Brainerd, but I'm now retired, at least I
think I'm totally retired.
Okay.
But I represented centralMinnesota.
But really, once I becameleader of the Senate, I felt
like I represented the entirestate, and so I went everywhere
to understand everybody'sproblems the best I could.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Sure, sure, because I think Blaine is a pretty red
city, is it not?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It is and we had rioting up there and in four
hours north of Minneapolis in atown called Bemidji.
There were planned riots upthere and the Minneapolis, or
the police up there, got intelthat there was not planned riots
and they found Molotovcocktails and bricks set aside
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in different locations and afriend of mine was the
sharpshooter over in the MiddleEast I forget which war, but
they put him on top of thepolice precinct there and as he
was up there he realized ifsomebody's coming at this
building with a Molotov cocktail, I have no way down, I'm going
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to have to shoot him.
Yes, you know, and in that casethey discovered all of their,
their plans, ahead of time andnothing came of it.
But it's spread out everywhere,and had they stopped it in
Minneapolis two days after thedeath of George Floyd, I'm not
so sure it would have gonearound the world.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And one other thing about it is the number of police
that have been killed fromgunshot wounds or assault spiked
way, way up.
After that After that time andit hasn't come down, and that is
a tragedy, because we need thepolice to keep our streets safe.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Absolutely.
Now.
Here's the fence I'm tellingyou about Now.
I'm not condoning what GovernorWalz did at the time.
None of us and I mean none ofus has been in that position.
How would you know what to dowhen you're in that position?
Do you listen to your trustedfew?
Do you listen to your trustedmany?
I mean, think about it.
(37:34):
I've never been in thatposition.
Do you listen to your trustedfew?
Do you listen to your trustedmany?
I mean, think about it.
I've never been in that.
You've never been in that spot.
How would you just say, okay, Idon't want to tip the saboteur,
but I still want to make surethat we're not burning things
down like third precinctbreaking and entering, busting
up all these businesses becausehe's not pro-small business.
We know that.
How would you sue that?
(37:55):
How would you do that?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Well, what I would say is I think he was trying to
thread the needle between thevast majority of the protesters
were part of his political side,and the other side of the issue
is protecting the state ofMinnesota.
And you know, just like, acouple months later, mike Bursia
said he was going to go up tothe Capitol in Minnesota broad
(38:19):
daylight and tear down thestatue of Christopher Columbus,
and so this again would be apolitical calculation.
But the governor put onehighway patrol out by the statue
as roughly 50 to 100 people mobcame up.
Mike Perseo had a rope in hishand and that highway patrol.
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They were talking to each otherand then he went.
The highway patrol went intothe capitol, mike Perseo put a
rope around the the statue andpulled it down.
And there's scores and scoresof highway patrol in the capital
, and so again, it was poorleadership.
If you think that that statueshould be pulled down, you don't
have it pulled down by a mob.
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You have a legislativeconversation about it, about
whether that should stay thereor not.
And as far as the riots inMinneapolis, you do listen to
your people.
I talked to one of the leadersof the Minneapolis police in
Minneapolis and I asked him whatwould you do?
He told me exactly what neededto be done, days before the
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governor ever responded, andearlier the governor, I think
they had some sort of a spat andthe governor asked me if I
would reach out to him and Ithink he was being sarcastic,
this was in a text.
But I did reach out to that guy, asked for his phone contact,
asked permission if I could sendit to the governor.
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He said yes, and had helistened to him he could have
avoided a lot of the damage.
And so I know what I would havedone because I look back at my
text strings about what I saidto do when I said to do it.
And so that's where, yeah you,sometimes you don't know what
you're going to do.
You know, in COVID, for example, when the governor said I'm
(40:10):
going to lock everything down,Right.
And if I do that, 40 to 50,000people will die.
I looked at the same data, butnot just from the University of
Minnesota, but all of the modelsaround the country, and I said
it's going to be 5,000 peopleand a year later, like I said,
it was 5,000.
But in this case, all of hisdecisions were made based on
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looking at the data wrong, andso you know, that's why I'm
concerned about what he would belike as a national leader, and
so that and I write about it inthe book, so that I try to make
that case that you know this isimportant for people to at least
weigh what kind of leader he is, or at least was, and I think
that's the best indication ofwhat leader, what kind of leader
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, he would be in the future.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's not like we can recall him if he wins.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
No, and you know, as a Christian, I'll pray for his
success If he's the electedleader.
I want our leaders to besuccessful, but as we're coming
into the election, I'm going todo my best to tell people who I
think is the best candidate.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
This is your story.
None of them are perfect.
Yeah, there's no such thing asperfect Yep.
And given the fact that this isyour story and you have the
most intimate contact with himon the Republican side, it would
certainly make sense to listento some of that information.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, that's why I wrote Behind the Veil.
And you know, the other thingabout it is I had a number of
contacts with President Trumpand so I contrast the two
leaders you know.
So I write a lot about Tim Walzand then I write a chapter
about a number of times I spentwith President Trump riding in
the beast and at the AbrahamAccords and different things
(41:53):
like that, and at the AbrahamAccords and different things
like that, and how quickly heresponds decisively, versus how
Tim Walz does not do that.
So Behind the Veil has that inthere as well, because I want
people to think about the kindof leader they want and I want
them to be objective andrational, not emotional.
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Objective and rational, notemotional.
Because in elections, theonslaught of all of the ads and
all the revving up people Ithink causes us not to see
things as we should.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Kind of sets more polar to the polarization
process.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, and without a doubt, that's the hardest time
to be a political leader is inthe election cycle, you know,
and then you hope that you canheal the.
To be a political leader is inthe election cycle, you know,
and then you hope that you canheal the wounds after, you know.
In this case, I'm not trying torun for anything right now, so
I can just be a voice in thewilderness saying this is what
we should do.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But you're a voice that carries a lot of clout.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, I hope so.
You know I wanted to.
You know, I know that when Iwas leader I said I was going to
lower the tone at the Capitolin Minnesota and most people
around there would say that thatis what happened and many of
the journalists that they wouldcome up to me and say
Republicans are in my time inleadership.
You guys are the adults in theroom because you know there were
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other Republican leaders in theHouse the governors.
They, you know they.
I don't think they did as wellas we did, because there were
other Republican leaders in theHouse the governors.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I don't think they did as well as we did and I was
very proud of what we ended upaccomplishing there during that
time.
What is your biggest takeawayon this book?
I mean, if you were to say tosomeone, pull this up, they
don't have time to read it, whatchapter would you want to hit?
First or last or the onlychapter?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, the first chapter I would hit would be the
chapter on the riots.
The death of George Floyd ishow I begin that the overall
theme of the book beyond theelection will be civility and
government.
How do you value people, dogood, love, mercy, walk humbly?
I share many, many stories ofthat throughout the book and in
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politics there is a place thatyou must confront but you can
still do that in an honorableway.
President Reagan, when he calledthe Soviet Union at the time
the evil empire.
But again he built arelationship with Mikhail
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Gorbachev and he could tell him,mr Gorbachev teared down that
wall, you know, and so he wasrespectful, but he was firm and
after it was all over, gorbachevcame out to the Reagan Ranch in
Southern California and visitedwith Ronald Reagan.
I mean, you know, that's whatwe need and that's a theme that
I have that is woven throughoutthe book is how do we do this
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thing called government in a waythat works for everyone, and a
big part of it is honoringpeople.
Oath of office Absolutely A lotof people don't understand what
anath of office.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
A lot of people don't understand what an oath of
office is.
In our little neck of the woodsthey say you're not.
We sit on a board and they sayyou're not voted in, you're only
appointed.
And I say I missed the point ofwhere your oath was different
than mine, because it doesn'tmatter how you get there, it
matters what you do when you'rethere.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Well, that's really a good point.
When I first became leader ourminority leader who would
virtually almost automaticallybecome the leader when we were
in the minority he lost and yetwe won by one seat the first
time.
You know, I don't, you know, Igave the credit to the other guy
(45:43):
, david Hand, you know, but itso it felt like a mantle that
came on me.
But you know, I just for awhile people had to.
You know they'd call me Paul orthey'd call me senator and I
wouldn't even, I wouldn't evenanswer until they said Paul.
You know, I just want to be aguy that loves his wife and
small business owner and lovesfamily, loves God.
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And oh yeah, I'm going to besomebody in government and I
want to do that.
The same way I did family, thesame way I did business.
When I told a bunch of peopleand I said we're going to lower
the tone, I said look, thisconstant fighting doesn't work
in a marriage and family.
It sure doesn't work in abusiness.
So why do you think it's goingto work in a marriage and family
?
It sure doesn't work in abusiness.
So why do you think it's goingto work in government?
Because long term it doesn't.
(46:26):
If you can't find a way to tryto work together, you can't see
the way to solve problems.
And our country is very divided.
And how do you make it work foreveryone?
Well, it starts with that.
Excellent points behind the veil, behind the veil has all of
that in there and if you don'tknow about walls and you want to
(46:48):
know about walls behind theveil is stand against.
Governor tim walls really laysthat out and it's subjective,
it's not mean-spirited but it.
I hope it would make peoplethink and and understand and
know what they think, know whatto do.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
And I'm sure from your tone and all the
conversations we had before thatit's not a, it's not an evil
piece to spike back.
It's just going to be a factual, almost like a documentary.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, somebody even called it that.
You know, and I don't.
I don't dislike Tim Walz, Ididn't dislike a Governor, mark
Dayton.
You know Speaker Hortman's aDemocrat in Minnesota.
We got along, you know, so it's.
But it's also that what I tellsome people is like look he's,
he's trying to apply for thesecond highest, most powerful
(47:38):
job in America and I'm areference, and I'm a reference
that says don't hire him Right.
That doesn't mean I dislike him.
Like I said, if he wins he'sgoing to have my prayer support
because I want him to besuccessful, if he wins, but I
don't want him to be thecandidate for the reasons I lay
out in the book.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
But again, I bet the people that installed Camilla
into that position didn't thinkthis far ahead.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Honestly, I think the media at the national level has
just brought them a lot moreout than what the Minnesota
media did, for whatever reasonI'm not saying it was diabolical
, I don't know.
If they just didn't work hardenough, I really don't know, but
it's kind of been a constantstream of things that people
(48:30):
bring up.
You know about what he did as aleader, and when I wrote the
book, I was on a Minneapolistalk radio, and so they glanced
through the book and they saidman, I didn't realize all of
these things you have in thebook.
They said, man, I didn'trealize all of these things you
have in the book.
I've never heard them before.
Well, most of them were, atsome point or the others,
something I did in a pressconference or whatever, but they
(48:51):
, you know, they just didn't getout there, and so so the book
reveals those things.
It reveals the actual quotes Ihad with the, or texts, with the
Minneapolis police officer thatgave me the the street
strategic plan, what to doduring the riots, and you know.
And just what I did not do,though, is all of these text
strings.
(49:11):
I considered releasing them all.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
That was my question, right there.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, one of the national media uh, I won't say
which one, but he said youreally, for his history, should
release those and I reallythought about it a lot.
But in the end, the behind thescene, private conversations
between people that are ondifferent sides of the aisle are
really special and are there'sgreat risk.
You take risk to try to findsolutions and you might say
(49:40):
things that you know you maybewouldn't want public and so and
you know, and then there'sconversations in there about you
know, our kids, his kids, whenthey said something, kids that
happened to me, you know in myfamily, and you know just stuff
that you just I didn't, I don'twant it out there, but but the
things related to his leadershipthat I want to talk about and
(50:00):
so so I kept them private, butit really reminded me about what
happened when.
So people can't spin the storyand make it something that I
know it isn't because I've gotthe data.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Right, right, you're the one in control.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And I see that you know, because people don't
understand, that when you aretalking with someone on the
other side at least in our smallworld, in my politic world that
you do talk those conversations.
You don't want the worldknowing it's a sacred
conversation and one of thethings that I've always held
dear and true to my own thing isif you say this only happens in
this room, it stays in thisroom forever.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, I don't even talk to my wife about it.
No, that's being a man of yourword.
And you know I, I am the same.
You know one thing you know I, Iuh, compromising is not an evil
word, but some people think itis, and by compromise I mean in,
you know, agreeing to a budgetthat neither side really really
likes.
But then, when I did decide torun for governor in Minnesota, I
(51:02):
wasn't picked by my side and,and in the end it was because I
had to make some of thosedecisions as the leader, but I
wouldn't trade what I had theopportunity to be a part of for
anything.
I mean, it was so valuable towatch, as you have to work with
somebody that you're often polaropposite with and find
(51:24):
solutions, and so, yeah, butthat's, you know, and that's
some of those conversations thatwere just, you know, we had to
share things to get to a placethat we could.
You know, yeah, and the leftand right can just barely touch
their fingertips in the middlesomewhere and get that done, and
then you move right and moveleft.
You know so, but I love doingit.
(51:44):
It was, uh, it was a real honorto serve the people in
Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well, we appreciate that and we thank you for your
service.
And, as for many times this is,the wife has given me a whole
lot of heck for not telling hersomething that already happened,
that you know in thoseconversations I really I got a
chapping going on there.
I'm I'm getting used to it now,yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, no, it's been good, tim.
I hope people get the book.
I really think you knowlearning about Tim Walz, but
also learning about government.
You know behind the veil, astand against Governor Tim Walz.
You can get it on AmazoncomRight now.
They're listing it as abestseller.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yep, and you just go there, click it, buy it and tell
me what you think.
Are they doing any audiobookson that?
Not yet, I don't know.
It's interesting the publisher.
He said normally we take fourmonths to do these.
I said we don't have fourmonths we have four weeks 45
(52:42):
days.
Yeah, and they literally got itdone in four weeks.
But we we really pushed to getit done.
And so you know, I don't knowthat I'll ever do an audio.
We'll see.
We'll see, um, you know, howmuch popular or how much
interest people have.
So far they have a lot ofinterest, but, um, you know,
(53:03):
we'll see, but for now it's justKindle book and then the
paperbacks available.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
To now we had Liz Collins on the show and after
her show here she wentnationwide with all her books.
I mean, it just went incredible.
And she ended up making a movie?
Any thoughts on a movie withthis process?
Because I tell you what.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
there's enough information here where you could
process Because I tell you what, there's enough information
here where you could you knowthat that is.
That'd be an interestingthought.
I mean, we'll see.
Liz Collins did a greatinterview Alpha News laying out
all the questions related to TimWalls.
She focused just on Tim Wallsthere and in my work with him,
but she did a super job.
(53:40):
And Bob Kroll, the lead policeofficer in Minneapolis that I
worked with from the policeunion, what I found out when she
did the interview she had saida little bit about it earlier
talking to me when I'm askingfor his contact to give to
(54:02):
Governor Tim Walz, when I'masking for his advice about what
he would do.
So it's so interesting.
Even that would fit into amovie, right, right.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Right and when Chauvin, derek Chauvin Chauvin
Was on his neck with theapproved use of force, I might
add.
He's on the phone.
Do you know who he was on thephone with?
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Bob Kroll.
I think he was Bob Kroll.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yes, he was.
Yeah, it was on the horn withhis police union because he knew
this was going to be a crapshow.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and it was unfortunate.
I, I, um, I have a number ofpolice officers that uh told me
once.
Uh, um, george Floyd wasincapacitated.
A standard procedure is to rollthem over.
Uh, you know, and so you know,but you got an angry crowd
around you.
It's, it's a nightmare, but,and in the end, you know, in the
(55:02):
end he went before a jury ofhis peers and he was considered
guilty.
Those are tough situations, Imean.
The other one I talk about inthe book is Potter the police
officer with Daunte Wright andthat whole story, because she
also went to jail and was like,look, this one is clearly a
(55:23):
mistake.
She thought it was a taser,instead she shot him.
And I think a lot about doctorswhen they make a clear mistake,
they don't go to jail, there'sjust a huge civil penalty if
somebody dies.
And you know, because she was,you know anyway, that's I didn't
even put a lot.
I put some of that in the book.
(55:43):
I didn't put it all in the book.
I mean, you know, literallythey were going to move her from
where she was incarcerated toto another place a long ways
away and I had to intervenebecause it was just like you're
not going to keep her away fromher family.
She's already been punishedenough.
But you know, and that wholeanti-police movement I do talk
(56:05):
about it in the book becausepeople need to be aware of the
consequences of beinganti-police.
I mean, in Minneapolis therewere 800 police officers prior
to the death of George Floyd andthey were asking for 400 more
and then after the death ofGeorge Floyd, after the
anti-police push, they went downto just above 300 police
(56:28):
officers, from 800 down to 300something and they can't do
their job.
I mean, you know.
So it was just a tragedy and Iwrite more about that in the
book related to police officersbeing kicked out of a union hall
and kicked out of high schools.
The SROs.
(56:50):
And then all of the consequencesof all of those actions and Tim
Walz was pushing for thosethings and I just said we are
not doing those anti-policemeasures.
We did do about 10 reforms butI worked with the police because
most police officers are goodand honorable men and women.
(57:11):
So I worked with those peopleto make sure we had good police
procedures in place and not theanti-police things that the
governor wanted.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Right.
I think the only thing thatwould have helped his case more,
Governor Walz, is if he waswith Mayor Fry crying over the
coffin of George Floyd.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
One more story about it.
You know, in the basement ofthe Capitol is where many police
officers from around the regionconservation officers, highway
patrol they all staged in thebasement of the Capitol and I
saw it from my Senate office.
It's across the road butthere's a tunnel that goes
underground, and so I wentunderground and went to see them
and Mike Ledoux from theHighway Patrol took me from
(57:52):
group to group and I just wentaround thanking each one of them
for being there because it wasvery, very dangerous.
And later I found out that thegovernor never went to see any
of them.
No, and they were deeplyoffended.
So it shouldn't surprise youthat none of those major police
organizations did not endorsehim for governor.
(58:13):
They were very upset.
You know the fact that he hadchosen his side and the police.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yep, he made a choice .
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, he made a choice yeah, he made a choice, I
made a choice.
I was on the other side of thatwell, it sounds like the good
side well, I think so.
I.
You know every, every group hasa few bad apples, and you got
to pluck them out with insuranceagents like me, or attorneys,
police etc.
But the vast number of policeofficers, men and women, are
(58:44):
just amazing and they're puttingtheir lives on the line almost
every day.
And you know, I just think weshould be thanking them a whole
lot more for the, for the, whatthey do to keep our community
safe.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yep, instead of demonizing them.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yep, exactly, well, remember, if this thing goes go
ahead.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
I I'll just say I put a lot of that in the book too,
because I just, you know, theseare so many different aspects
that, uh, it's amazing that theyall got crunched into just a
few years.
I mean, it was just like crisisafter crisis, you know, and I
lived through that and Igoverned through that well, if
this goes to audiobook, rememberHuttCast.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Here I've got a radio voice.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
No, that sounds good, so I hope you buy the book
Behind the Veil a stand againstGovernor Tim Walz, and let me
know what you think.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
All right, can we find you on Facebook?
Do you have a spot for thatbook?
Can we find you on Facebook, do?
Speaker 3 (59:41):
you have a spot for that book.
You can find me on Twitter asbest, or X at Paul Gazelka on
Facebook.
It's just Senator Paul Gazelka.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
So either one I try to respond to people as best I
can and then GazelkacomG-A-Z-E-L-K-A Gazelka website,
where you can.
You can buy books there too,for that matter, but we just
redirect you to Amazon anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Okay, it sounds like one heck of a book.
I did get the manuscript awhile back, uh, pre-reading and
when I started reading I'm likeHoly cow, this is incredible.
So if you want to reach out,reach out to Paul Kazalka.
Reach out to a system, Leave anote message, Tell him how you
like the book Available.
Download on Kindle.
Was that what you said?
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, kindle, which is Amazon, and then you get a
print copy from Amazon too, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Paperback.
Well, I appreciate you comingon here on Sunday and telling us
about this whole story.
Again.
You kind of rung a bell with mewhen you said you are his
reference.
You're his job reference.
That's pretty real.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
That's pretty real for me.
I'm like holy cow.
He's absolutely right.
Well, okay, headcast again.
You guys from across the world,you probably won't have much
bite in this, but for us we gota sink or swim for us now.
And, senator, thank you.
(01:01:11):
Thank you for coming out anddoing this today.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I'm just, I'm humbled to hear your words.
Well, it's an honor, Tim.
I think you're doing a goodwork and I'm glad we could
connect.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Okay, sounds good.
Huttcast signing off and youhave a wonderful rest of your
Sunday.
And that's a wrap for HuttCast.
Huttcast is again a pragmaticapproach to seeing things how
some people see them.
If you like our show, give us athumbs up on the Facebook site,
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again for HuttCast.
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Have a wonderful evening.
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