November 19, 2024 • 29 mins
This episode continues our conversation with Olympic gold medalist Scott Hamilton, who overcame childhood health challenges to achieving success in figure skating displays the value of resilience and perseverance. Scott shares his unique story as an adopted child, along with a humorous recollection of an early ice-skating mishap that nearly stopped his career before it even began.
Scott is an Olympic Champion, cancer survivor, television broadcaster, motivational speaker, author, husband/father and eternal optimist! During his figure skating career, Hamilton’s list of achievements includes his Olympic gold medal, over 70 titles, awards, and honors. In 1990, Hamilton was inducted into the United States Olympic Hall of Fame and in that same year, he became a member of the World Figure Skating Hall of Fame.
Following his mother’s passing and his own survival of stage 3 testicular cancer, Hamilton launched the Scott Hamilton CARES Foundation (Cancer Alliance for Research, Education and Survivorship) in 2014, with a mission to improve cancer patient survivorship by supporting world class cancer research and the highest quality patient treatment and care. The same year, he founded the Scott Hamilton Skating Academy, in partnership with the NHL’s Nashville Predators, at Ford Ice Centers in Antioch, Bellevue and Clarksville, TN, to offer students programs to help them fall in love with ice skating.
In a world full of complex cancer treatment decisions, understanding your choices is crucial. We stress the importance of being informed and seeking advice from multiple medical experts to understand the variety of options available. Our discussion touches on the holistic approach to health, including lifestyle changes and the life-changing impact of clean water. Discover how HealingStrong offers hope and support for those facing cancer, with strategies to rebuild the body, renew the soul, and refresh the spirit. Embracing the idea of cancer as a blessing may seem counter-intuitive, yet can lead to resilience and a deepened faith. Find hope with your own empowering journey, and find your own path to healing and strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've only fallen on the ice, estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And ice is hard.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, it is hard, but you know it's like but when you
get up 41,600 times, the nextfall has very little meaning.
You know, and I think that'skind of the metaphor for all of
this you know You're going toget knocked down, it's you're
just going to get up, you'rejust good at it Well.
I mean, it's like you're goingto like for everybody listening.
It's like you're going to getknocked down.
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You're going to fall down.
You're going to have some sortof like knocked off your feet at
some point in your life.
It's just going to happen.
I'm not projecting or wishingthat on anybody, but it's just
life.
Right, it's how you get up.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
It's how you get up.
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
Tell us more about the CARES Foundation now that
you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, we started off it was sort of as a thank you to
the Cleveland Clinic Tau CigCancer Center for getting me
through it and I learned so muchin that my oncologist is on the
board of the foundation and hewas the guy that helped me get
it started in the first place asan initiative at the Cleveland
Clinic Tau Cig Cancer Center aspart of their patient services
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program.
I really wanted to give backand they're like well, example,
we're doing the press conference.
It was January 2000.
And I looked at my urologist,dr Eric Klein, and I said what
do you think of fourth angel?
And he goes sounds interesting,what is it?
And I go's um, your first angelis your oncologist.
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Your second year angels youroncology nurse.
You feel free to switch thoseanytime you want, but your third
angel is your friends andfamily.
What's missing in your cancerjourney is your fourth angel.
And the fourth angel issomebody's been there, done that
?
they can mentor you and you knowwork is sort of a, a role model
, like they've got through itand they're on the other side
now.
They have knowledge that Idesperately need.
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So we created a mentorshipprogram that exists to this day.
I survived.
I guess it was 1997, so that'dbe 27 years ago, wow.
And they're pairing 100 peoplea month patients, caregivers and
pediatric caregivers, people amonth, patients, caregivers and
pediatric caregivers and sothose people have unique
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knowledge and understanding andexperience, right, that can be
shared with the next persongoing through it.
And so Fourth Angel is againdoing 100 pairs of matches a
month.
And then the other part of itwas I did what all patients do.
I went on Dr Google and backthen the internet was relatively
new, right, but I went on.
I did a search of what do Ineed to know about testicular
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cancer and all I found was amedical journal paper that had
12 syllable words in it and Ithought I'm too dumb to be sick.
I mean, so is everyone right?
Unless you're like third yearmedical school or whatever, you
don't understand what you'regoing through, right?
So I figured there was anotheropportunity.
So for five years I was theorgan grinder's monkey to raise
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enough money to buildchemocarecom.
And what's wild is I just gavea speech locally to some
oncology nurses at a meetingthey had here and I told them
about chemocarecom and theylooked at me and I go.
How many of I told them aboutchemocarecom and they looked at
me and I go.
How many of you have heard ofchemocarecom?
Every single hand.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was powerful.
This has been a spectacularresource to give our patients
what they need to know in eighthgrade, english and Spanish, and
, with Google translate, anylanguage in the world, because
that information didn't existbefore.
Here's how it's administered inlanguage you can understand.
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Here's every single drug, everysingle drug combination.
Here's what they're designed todo, here's how they work and
here are the side effectsassociated with those drugs and
here's how to manage them, soyou're not flying blind anymore.
It's not like every single day.
For me was a step in the darkand I just I just thought that
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was a huge issue in cancer.
So we solved that problem withchemocarecom and and then after
that, well, now we need to focuson, like, let's cure people,
you know, and so you know thatwas at the Cleveland Clinic.
We did 15 years and then I didthree more years of fundraising
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for them and then they said,basically, go Be an independent
foundation.
Said, basically, go be anindependent foundation.
And so when we started this, wewere the cleveland, we were the
um cares initiative at thecleveland clinic toxic cancer
center and then we launched asthe cares foundation.
So we're an independentfoundation now because we can do
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more things as an independentfoundation, that we can as part
of a health care organization.
Right, and so we?
Um, we sat down and said what,what's our strategy?
And I said, well, I think weneed to fund the future of
cancer treatment and that istreat the cancer, spare the
patient.
Harm, that's a good angle.
What is that?
Yeah, it's a great angle.
It's like how do you do that?
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I've been to so many differentcancer centers and the promise
of immunotherapy is real and weneed to get behind that.
And at that point there wasn'tan immunotherapy drug on the
market.
It was just this concept thatthis is, our bodies created the
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cancer.
It's not naive to think thatour bodies can't recognize and
destroy it, because right now,as we're talking, and as naive
to think that our bodies can'trecognize and destroy it,
because right now, as we'retalking and as people are
listening, our bodies arefinding dead, broken or or
mutant cells and saying uh-uh,out, out, out yeah but the
cancer cell tricks the body into.
You know, I need more food here.
I take my white waste here.
(06:42):
Yeah, we'll do everything,we're going to do everything to
accommodate you, but it'sdestroying the host.
So how do we teach our bodiesto recognize?
Well, wait a minute, you don'tbelong here out.
You know, and immunotherapy is,to me, is the best way to do
that.
It's t-cell therapy, it's.
You know, there's a lot, a lotof different ways of approaching
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all of this, and it really is.
It's just authentically andlegitimately and genuinely
allowing your body to understandhow to treat the cancer and
spare the rest of your body harm.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I mean it worked for me.
There you go, two months itkilled every tumor in me and of
course obviously there's a longway to go because you know, with
some people after it finds thecancer does that it looks for
other things which it's notsupposed to.
It's like, well, okay, let's goafter the organs, which is?
You know, they keep checkingthat.
But you know, fortunately minedecided.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Guess what we're both playing with house money now.
Yeah, oh, it's like it's allgravy, it's all like.
Today is just a day I neverwould have been able to
experience without those twoguys in indiana as research
scientists that just say what ifwe do it this way?
Yeah, and it worked.
You know 27 years ofsurvivorship and they told me,
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because of chemo, you know 20years.
You know lung effects.
Probably, yeah, things willstart to maybe not work so good.
Yeah, but I'm I mean, I'm likestronger than I've ever been.
You know, physically.
You know, maybe not in the legs, but I have pecs for the first
time in my life.
I've never had them before andit's because I asked my body to
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do something.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I noticed that when I came here and it responded
there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I'm like physically intimidating now
right, but it's that.
It's like we ask our bodies todo things and our bodies will
respond.
Like when I start training fora competition in May, it looks
way different than it does inJanuary when the competitions
happen.
It takes time to build and togrow and to ignite quality and
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physical conditioning.
It just takes time.
And you know, if we just roll upour tent, don't do a thing,
just say I'm not really feelingit today, then you're really
allowing your body to diminish,you know, on that day, and not
just get stronger.
And so, in that, when I got thethird brain tumor diagnosis,
they're giving me a surgical anda medical option and everything
(09:13):
in my spirit said get strong.
And they said what do you wantto do?
I go, I'm going to go home andI'm going to get strong.
And they go, what does thatlook like?
And I go, I have no idea, butthat's all my body would let me
do, that's all my mind, that'sall my heart, that's all my
spirit would let me do is just,no, go home and get strong, just
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get strong.
And so I got strong physically,I got strong, um, emotionally,
I got stronger intellectuallyand I got stronger spiritually.
And you know, each day I spendon the word, I just find
something that just wow, that'sthat's.
That's something remarkablethat everybody needs to know.
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Why didn't?
I know that?
I've been following the Lordsince the last 20-something
years and it's like I didn't seethat before.
Because the Word is alive.
The Word is, you know, ittouches us, but we need to spend
time in the word, but ittouches us in a way, or it
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inspires us in a way,unexpectedly.
I've read that passage 15 times.
Why is it hitting me differenttoday?
And it's all that right.
So you know, we've been givenso much.
You know, physically,emotionally, intellectually and
spiritually, we just got to tapinto that in order to live our
best lives right, and you haveobviously such a huge platform,
(10:40):
uh, being known around the world.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I just mentioned your name to somebody who wasn't
even alive when you were in theolympics.
No, wow, and they go.
Oh, is that the guy with thebackflip?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
no, thank goodness for YouTube, right, yeah, but
it's that it's like you know why.
I meet a lot of really coolpeople and I've gotten a nice
friend you know, like HockeyBites Cancer Gary Bettman, the
commissioner of the NHL.
I've spent a lot of time withhim on and off and we were
(11:17):
having lunch one time and healways likes to interview people
he's sitting with because hewas an old radio guy and he goes
.
Can I ask you a question?
And I go, sure, and uh, he goes.
There's been a lot of peoplethat won olympics and I go yeah
yeah, I mean every olympics.
There's a lot of people in theolympics, yeah, and he goes, but
you like, now it's 40 years agowhy?
How have you maintainedfamiliarity?
A lot of people won theOlympics and nobody couldn't
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pick them out of the lineup.
Why, you and I?
Just I didn't know what to say.
I just the only thing I couldthink of I go, people are kind
to me, I go, people like theylike me, and he goes wow, that's
a superpower, likability.
And I go.
Well, I mean it's not likesomething I try to dredge up,
you know, sincerity is notsomething you dredge up, but
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it's like I try to be kind, Itry to be considerate,
thoughtful, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, I would say, as an observer, that you know you
always play to the crowd.
You were, like your personality, just shot out of the crowd
rather than you're just thereperforming.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, I mean, they did pay to get in.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
The least.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I could do is honor that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Exactly, but not everybody does that oh it's fun,
it's really fun.
You enjoyed yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh, I had a blast.
It was so fun just to try tofigure out new ways of igniting
an audience.
And it's funny I have this Iwin story.
When I first turned pro, it'slike the president of Ice
Capades signed me, kind ofholding his nose.
We were really great friendsand we built a really huge level
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of respect for each other.
But anyway, at the time he'slike you're just going to party,
you think the work's done andyou're just going to miss shows.
We're going to party, you thinkthe work's done and you're just
going to miss shows, we'regoing to have to refund tickets.
It's a nightmare.
We had to sign you and it'slike no, no, no, I'll be the
best employee you ever had.
So I'd look out at the crowdand I'd see these men sitting in
the front row and they would belooking around kind of like, oh
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man, I hope this going to end,I just want to go home.
And I realized I go.
These men are so underserved.
If I could get that guy on hisfeet, I could skate forever.
And so it was like, okay,that's my.
Every time I come up with a newroutine or I come up with a new
idea, it's to get that guy onhis feet.
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So it was funny.
The other day I was at thisevent for cares and this guy
came up and he goes hey, he goesstill doing backflip, and I was
like, oh no, it's only in myhead.
And I go.
I got to tell you something.
This is what happens to meevery time I go.
I fly out of time probablySouthwest usually and I meet guy
.
I go yes, sir, and he goes, Idon't watch skating, I'm a
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football kind of big footballfan and I like baseball too, and
I go me too, I like all thesports.
And he goes hey, can I get mywife, because I know she'd love
to meet you.
And I go, absolutely.
So he gets his wife and shecomes back and he goes honey,
look who's here.
And she looks at me and she hasabsolutely no idea who I am.
And it's like I win.
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I got that guy.
I got that guy to like skating,I got that guy to like skating,
and so it's like that.
It's like how do we inviteeverybody to the party?
And it's by being intentional,being intentional and it's by
looking at them, engaging theaudience and trying to predict
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what they've never seen before.
That would be really fun forthem and to try to create that.
And so it gave me a 20-yearprofessional career.
Wow, From first steps toOlympic, gold was 16.
Wow.
And then 20 years of ice showsand competitions and
broadcasting and it's just beenextraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean I would watch figure skating and I'd be
nervous all the time.
I'd just get all tense like I'mgoing to fall.
Until you came on.
I'm like you're just a guyhaving fun.
If he fell, he'll just rollwith it, which you did.
Yeah, I relaxed when you skated.
Yeah, so there you did.
I relaxed when you skated.
Yeah, so there you go.
I stood up.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, I mean, I've only fallen on the ice,
estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, and ice is hard .
Well, it is hard, but when youget up 41,600 times, the next
fall has very little meaning,and I think that's kind of the
metaphor for all of this.
You're going to get knockeddown, it's you're just gonna get
up.
I mean it's well.
I mean it's like you're gonnalike for everybody listening,
it's like you're gonna.
(15:38):
You're gonna get knocked down,you're gonna fall down.
You're gonna have some sort oflike knocked off your feet at
some point in your life.
It's just gonna happen and I'mnot I'm not projecting or
wishing that on anybody, butit's just life, right, right,
it's how you get up.
It's how you get up.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, that was what I was going to ask you to talk
about right now as we close thispuppy out, because you know
there are people listening that.
They're listening because theyjust got a diagnosis and they're
scared to death.
Life is over in their minds andsome of them have doctors who
are just like sorry, but youguys six months.
So you know that messes withyour mind why is it always six
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months?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
it's always six months every time it's because
it's a best guess it's like oh,you don't know, oh, you don't
know, so how?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
what would you say to encourage them right now?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'd say do your homework.
I don't believe in secondopinions, I believe in seventh
opinions and um, it goes back toMurphy's Law.
You know, where you standdepends on where you sit.
You know, yeah, the old Reagantrust, but verify.
And it's really getting aknowledge of your condition
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where you can make the bestpossible choice.
For you know and give yourselfthe best chance of surviving.
And sometimes it may not bewhat you want to do.
Other times it's like, well,here's an opportunity to try
something else.
You know, and so there's, youknow, it's, it's.
I said that to an oncologist onetime.
I thought I offended him.
He goes.
No, that's so smart becausecancer is changing every day.
So if you're sitting acrossfrom the desk from a surgeon,
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you're probably going to get cut.
If you're probably going to getcut, if you're sitting across
the desk from a he-monk, you'reprobably going to get chemo.
If you're sitting across thedesk from a radiation oncologist
, you're probably going to getradiated.
But it's understanding what isthe best choice for you to give
you your life back and then thebest quality of your life
post-cancer.
Because that's where you've gotto think.
You've got to think okay, onceI'm through with this, what look
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like.
And I got.
I got great, beautiful,gorgeous scars like they're.
They're stunning and they'rebeautiful and they're badges of
honor because it says look how,look how resilient you know the
lord has made us.
And that's the whole idea isjust understand your condition
and then make make choices basedon that, on everything you've
learned.
You know, if you're just goingto say I'm not doing that, I'm
not doing that, I'm just notgoing to do that, and it's like
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I spend so much of my life nowtrying to get rid of
chemotherapy and I'm herebecause of it.
I'm not a hypocrite, I justknow there's a better way, so I
got to keep working towards it.
Right, and that's the same witheverybody out there.
It's like what's state of theart, what, where, what, what?
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And Dr Toby Cosgrove told mesomething at the aneurysm issue
in 2010.
He said he goes, there's reallygood doctors out there that do
miraculous things, and thenthere are six-a-day guys.
All you really want is a six aday guy.
Find out who the best guy is totreat you and then listen to
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that person and respond in a waythat's not about more or less
denial.
It's about here's your bestchance of success, living your
best and longest life, andwhatever that is and there's
again, it could be anything youknow.
It could be vitamins, it couldbe high pH water, it could be
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eliminating sugar from your dietor going keto.
It could be a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Or it could just be that maybe going through
chemotherapy for three months ortrying this new immunotherapy,
you know, medication might, orthe course of treatment, or
maybe it is just purely alumpectomy, a surgery, just get
it out, you know.
Or maybe it's this new type ofthing that we're doing, you know
, endoscopically, or maybe it's.
You know, but you don't knowuntil you spend the time to find
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out.
Right, and all that informationexists.
You just have to, you have tospend some time to get to it,
and it's growing all the time,growing all the time and almost
oppressively right.
But you know there are centersof excellence out there for each
individual form of cancer andsome are unexpected, really,
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really there, yeah, there, andyou know there have to educate
ourselves, you know it'sphysical, emotional,
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intellectual, spiritual.
It's got to approach everythingwith those four qualities and
if you do, um, that's the bestchance you have of living a long
and and uh, quality life, likeyou said.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Just get stronger in every area because you know, for
some reason your body allowedcancer to grow, like you said.
I mean, your body's supposed totake care of these things, but
something was lacking somewherewhich caused it to grow, which
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It could be total stress, you're eating garbage,
or well, why is it that in thiscountry, you know we're eating
foods that are illegal almosteverywhere else?
It's like how is that evenpossible?
And now, who do?
I trust you know.
It's like no, you can't havethat chemical in that food.
What makes it look pretty?
(20:58):
Well, I don't care, it's justyou know.
It's like I got a pineapplefrom my wife this morning.
I said you better eat thattoday because it's not going to
be pretty tomorrow.
It's just like okay, let's dothe right thing Drink lots of
water and make sure it's good,clean, healthy water.
I mean, the most important thingI do in our home is to make
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sure and my wife is very, very,very amazing, she's the one that
really created this eco-centerfor our house we're only
drinking filtered and treatedwater.
Right, I've filled and treatedin a way like it can be high ph
or it can be acidic, or it canbe just, you know, natural, but
it's filtered.
There's nothing in it that'sgoing to be harmful to our
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bodies.
It's pure water and and it'slike that's an investment.
I'll make no matter what, firstand foremost because it's so
important.
It's so investment.
I'll make no matter what, firstand foremost because it's so
important.
It's so important what we putin our bodies and how we live
our lives.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So how do people get a hold of you?
Obviously, take it to the CARESFoundation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
CARES, scottcaresorg.
We're doing a lot of really,really cool things.
I guess it's coming up on 10years, um, since we started this
foundation, um, but it is thatit's.
It's um.
You know, join us.
You know we're really trying to.
You know the cancer the carestands for the cancer alliance
(22:26):
for research, education andsurvivorship, right.
So we've we've handled thesurvivorship and the education
in really cool ways.
The research is what we'refocused on now, but the A, the
alliance, is something that wejust I want to wear that letter
out and we work with othercancer foundations and we help
them and they help us and we'rea collaborative organization.
(22:48):
Silos don't work in cancer Forsomebody to say say, you can't
see my work, I'm going to be, Imean, this is mine to do, and
they're missing out on thiscollaborative thing.
We did this um, this study formetastatic melanoma, and all
these other researchers saw thepromise of it and they, they
wanted to come on board and be apart of this research and now
it's in clinical trial.
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Wow, the disease that killed mymom is now in clinical trial.
It's huge.
So it's huge and it's it's likeokay, I pray that they're on
the right track and I pray thatthis research, in this clinical
trial, goes the next phase andnext phase and next phase and
become standard of care.
Wouldn't that be amazing?
Yeah, and then there won't besome 18 year old boy out there
(23:30):
burying his mom and missing outon what, when he needs her the
most, you know.
And so, yeah, come join us.
Gotcaresorg.
We have a 1984 campaign as theyear I won my gold, but 19.84 a
month and you can support us andand we're.
We've done 88 partnershipssince we started.
Eight's my number, and we'regoing to continue on and we just
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really truly feel like we canchange the world for the better
and forever.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, well, that sounds great, scott, thanks for
doing this.
Oh, my pleasure, thank you, andI just love your office.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Isn't it fun.
I don't do any kind ofmemorabilia at home ever.
That's all here or it's in myoffice at the rink.
I won't do that to my kids.
It's like, nah, I'm your dad,I'm not this other thing.
So we do a lot of stuff here andit's fun to kind of relive
(24:28):
these memories.
And there's a lot of fun thingsin here that you know.
It's like my firstinternational competitions over
there.
And then you know I carried theflame into Salt Lake City
Olympics with Peggy Fleming andthen a gentleman who was a
professor at Bowling Green StateUniversity grabbed a hunk of
snow from the ice at the Zetrain Sarajevo and put it into a
(24:51):
bottle.
So I'd always have the water ofthe ice that I skated on and
it's just really cool things itreminds me of.
Like I don't really trulyremember everything about that
guy, but I think you know it wasfun and I was able to touch
some lives.
You know just all the skatersthat I got to tour with and
(25:13):
compete against and compete withOn the 40th anniversary Brian
Orser, the silver medalist, andJoseph Bobchick, the bronze
medalist.
We were all together in NewYork Really On the night because
we couldn't wait to be backtogether.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, who remembers them?
We all remember you.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, brian Orser's had three olympic champions as a
coach, uh, wow, yeah, he's, he'slegit and he's just the best
guy ever.
And joseph objic, again, he was.
He was younger than us and hewas always following us around.
And when we got to stand on thepodium together in sarajevo, it
was something that you know, we, we knew that we'd always,
always be friends and we wouldalways want to be together.
(25:49):
And at night I go hey, you guyswant to meet in New York and
celebrate together.
And they go yeah.
And so Brian flew in from Asia.
I think he had some weirdflight thing where he was able
to get in just in time and welaughed for two days.
It was so much fun.
But that's life, that's what wewant to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
What we want to do, we want to live our days live
our days fully and and enjoy Ithink you're doing a good job
trying I'm still a work inprogress in many respects and
almost all respects yeah, are weall, though?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
yeah, until we're gone until we're gone.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
But you know, in my closet I have a framed thing and
it's just the nine fruits ofthe spirit.
I figure if I can live in love,joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, gentleness.
But you know, in my closet Ihave a framed thing and it's
just the nine fruits of theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I figure if I can live in love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness,gentleness, faithfulness and
self-control every single day,the rest of my days are going to
be pretty good.
Yeah, it's funny you said thatbecause I was telling you
earlier about my cousin whopassed away.
That was diagnosed the sametime I was I'm thinking man, I'm
still here and I had a stagefour.
He had a stage less than one,but then the pastor went through
the fruits of the Spirit likethat and he goes.
Who does that describe?
(27:02):
And it was my cousin to the T.
He was like every one of thosethings I'm like.
Well, you know, he served hispurpose here and he's now in a
better place.
Apparently I've been draggingmy feet so I need to get it
together but I mean it just.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
it really does make a difference if you start to feel
like that, that that spirit ofoh I don't know just negativity
or antagonism or justfrustration.
It's like, oh, I see, you Getout, just get out.
And it's not easy.
Sometimes I keep catchingmyself.
The more I live in joy, themore I live in peace, the more I
(27:41):
live in love.
I just feel sometimes I got atarget on my back and I just got
to keep fighting him off.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah Well, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Save me in the edit, will you Okay.
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I've only fallen on the ice, estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And ice is hard.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, it is hard, but you know it's like but when you
get up 41,600 times, the nextfall has very little meaning.
You know, and I think that'skind of the metaphor for all of
this you know You're going toget knocked down, it's you're
just going to get up, you'rejust good at it Well.
I mean, it's like you're goingto like for everybody listening.
It's like you're going to getknocked down.
(00:26):
You're going to fall down.
You're going to have some sortof like knocked off your feet at
some point in your life.
It's just going to happen.
I'm not projecting or wishingthat on anybody, but it's just
life.
Right, it's how you get up.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
Tell us more about the CARES Foundation now that
you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, we started off it was sort of as a thank you to
the Cleveland Clinic Tau CigCancer Center for getting me
through it and I learned so muchin that my oncologist is on the
board of the foundation and hewas the guy that helped me get
it started in the first place asan initiative at the Cleveland
Clinic Tau Cig Cancer Center aspart of their patient services
(02:02):
program.
I really wanted to give backand they're like well, example,
we're doing the press conference.
It was January 2000.
And I looked at my urologist,dr Eric Klein, and I said what
do you think of fourth angel?
And he goes sounds interesting,what is it?
And I go's um, your first angelis your oncologist.
(02:27):
Your second year angels youroncology nurse.
You feel free to switch thoseanytime you want, but your third
angel is your friends andfamily.
What's missing in your cancerjourney is your fourth angel.
And the fourth angel issomebody's been there, done that
?
they can mentor you and you knowwork is sort of a, a role model
, like they've got through itand they're on the other side
now.
They have knowledge that Idesperately need.
(02:48):
So we created a mentorshipprogram that exists to this day.
I survived.
I guess it was 1997, so that'dbe 27 years ago, wow.
And they're pairing 100 peoplea month patients, caregivers and
pediatric caregivers, people amonth, patients, caregivers and
pediatric caregivers and sothose people have unique
(03:09):
knowledge and understanding andexperience, right, that can be
shared with the next persongoing through it.
And so Fourth Angel is againdoing 100 pairs of matches a
month.
And then the other part of itwas I did what all patients do.
I went on Dr Google and backthen the internet was relatively
new, right, but I went on.
I did a search of what do Ineed to know about testicular
(03:31):
cancer and all I found was amedical journal paper that had
12 syllable words in it and Ithought I'm too dumb to be sick.
I mean, so is everyone right?
Unless you're like third yearmedical school or whatever, you
don't understand what you'regoing through, right?
So I figured there was anotheropportunity.
So for five years I was theorgan grinder's monkey to raise
(03:52):
enough money to buildchemocarecom.
And what's wild is I just gavea speech locally to some
oncology nurses at a meetingthey had here and I told them
about chemocarecom and theylooked at me and I go.
How many of I told them aboutchemocarecom and they looked at
me and I go.
How many of you have heard ofchemocarecom?
Every single hand.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was powerful.
This has been a spectacularresource to give our patients
what they need to know in eighthgrade, english and Spanish, and
, with Google translate, anylanguage in the world, because
that information didn't existbefore.
Here's how it's administered inlanguage you can understand.
(04:34):
Here's every single drug, everysingle drug combination.
Here's what they're designed todo, here's how they work and
here are the side effectsassociated with those drugs and
here's how to manage them, soyou're not flying blind anymore.
It's not like every single day.
For me was a step in the darkand I just I just thought that
(04:55):
was a huge issue in cancer.
So we solved that problem withchemocarecom and and then after
that, well, now we need to focuson, like, let's cure people,
you know, and so you know thatwas at the Cleveland Clinic.
We did 15 years and then I didthree more years of fundraising
(05:16):
for them and then they said,basically, go Be an independent
foundation.
Said, basically, go be anindependent foundation.
And so when we started this, wewere the cleveland, we were the
um cares initiative at thecleveland clinic toxic cancer
center and then we launched asthe cares foundation.
So we're an independentfoundation now because we can do
(05:37):
more things as an independentfoundation, that we can as part
of a health care organization.
Right, and so we?
Um, we sat down and said what,what's our strategy?
And I said, well, I think weneed to fund the future of
cancer treatment and that istreat the cancer, spare the
patient.
Harm, that's a good angle.
What is that?
Yeah, it's a great angle.
It's like how do you do that?
(06:00):
I've been to so many differentcancer centers and the promise
of immunotherapy is real and weneed to get behind that.
And at that point there wasn'tan immunotherapy drug on the
market.
It was just this concept thatthis is, our bodies created the
(06:21):
cancer.
It's not naive to think thatour bodies can't recognize and
destroy it, because right now,as we're talking, and as naive
to think that our bodies can'trecognize and destroy it,
because right now, as we'retalking and as people are
listening, our bodies arefinding dead, broken or or
mutant cells and saying uh-uh,out, out, out yeah but the
cancer cell tricks the body into.
You know, I need more food here.
I take my white waste here.
(06:42):
Yeah, we'll do everything,we're going to do everything to
accommodate you, but it'sdestroying the host.
So how do we teach our bodiesto recognize?
Well, wait a minute, you don'tbelong here out.
You know, and immunotherapy is,to me, is the best way to do
that.
It's t-cell therapy, it's.
You know, there's a lot, a lotof different ways of approaching
(07:05):
all of this, and it really is.
It's just authentically andlegitimately and genuinely
allowing your body to understandhow to treat the cancer and
spare the rest of your body harm.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I mean it worked for me.
There you go, two months itkilled every tumor in me and of
course obviously there's a longway to go because you know, with
some people after it finds thecancer does that it looks for
other things which it's notsupposed to.
It's like, well, okay, let's goafter the organs, which is?
You know, they keep checkingthat.
But you know, fortunately minedecided.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Guess what we're both playing with house money now.
Yeah, oh, it's like it's allgravy, it's all like.
Today is just a day I neverwould have been able to
experience without those twoguys in indiana as research
scientists that just say what ifwe do it this way?
Yeah, and it worked.
You know 27 years ofsurvivorship and they told me,
(08:01):
because of chemo, you know 20years.
You know lung effects.
Probably, yeah, things willstart to maybe not work so good.
Yeah, but I'm I mean, I'm likestronger than I've ever been.
You know, physically.
You know, maybe not in the legs, but I have pecs for the first
time in my life.
I've never had them before andit's because I asked my body to
(08:22):
do something.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I noticed that when I came here and it responded
there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I'm like physically intimidating now
right, but it's that.
It's like we ask our bodies todo things and our bodies will
respond.
Like when I start training fora competition in May, it looks
way different than it does inJanuary when the competitions
happen.
It takes time to build and togrow and to ignite quality and
(08:51):
physical conditioning.
It just takes time.
And you know, if we just roll upour tent, don't do a thing,
just say I'm not really feelingit today, then you're really
allowing your body to diminish,you know, on that day, and not
just get stronger.
And so, in that, when I got thethird brain tumor diagnosis,
they're giving me a surgical anda medical option and everything
(09:13):
in my spirit said get strong.
And they said what do you wantto do?
I go, I'm going to go home andI'm going to get strong.
And they go, what does thatlook like?
And I go, I have no idea, butthat's all my body would let me
do, that's all my mind, that'sall my heart, that's all my
spirit would let me do is just,no, go home and get strong, just
(09:34):
get strong.
And so I got strong physically,I got strong, um, emotionally,
I got stronger intellectuallyand I got stronger spiritually.
And you know, each day I spendon the word, I just find
something that just wow, that'sthat's.
That's something remarkablethat everybody needs to know.
(09:56):
Why didn't?
I know that?
I've been following the Lordsince the last 20-something
years and it's like I didn't seethat before.
Because the Word is alive.
The Word is, you know, ittouches us, but we need to spend
time in the word, but ittouches us in a way, or it
(10:17):
inspires us in a way,unexpectedly.
I've read that passage 15 times.
Why is it hitting me differenttoday?
And it's all that right.
So you know, we've been givenso much.
You know, physically,emotionally, intellectually and
spiritually, we just got to tapinto that in order to live our
best lives right, and you haveobviously such a huge platform,
(10:40):
uh, being known around the world.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I just mentioned your name to somebody who wasn't
even alive when you were in theolympics.
No, wow, and they go.
Oh, is that the guy with thebackflip?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
no, thank goodness for YouTube, right, yeah, but
it's that it's like you know why.
I meet a lot of really coolpeople and I've gotten a nice
friend you know, like HockeyBites Cancer Gary Bettman, the
commissioner of the NHL.
I've spent a lot of time withhim on and off and we were
(11:17):
having lunch one time and healways likes to interview people
he's sitting with because hewas an old radio guy and he goes
.
Can I ask you a question?
And I go, sure, and uh, he goes.
There's been a lot of peoplethat won olympics and I go yeah
yeah, I mean every olympics.
There's a lot of people in theolympics, yeah, and he goes, but
you like, now it's 40 years agowhy?
How have you maintainedfamiliarity?
A lot of people won theOlympics and nobody couldn't
(11:39):
pick them out of the lineup.
Why, you and I?
Just I didn't know what to say.
I just the only thing I couldthink of I go, people are kind
to me, I go, people like theylike me, and he goes wow, that's
a superpower, likability.
And I go.
Well, I mean it's not likesomething I try to dredge up,
you know, sincerity is notsomething you dredge up, but
(12:00):
it's like I try to be kind, Itry to be considerate,
thoughtful, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, I would say, as an observer, that you know you
always play to the crowd.
You were, like your personality, just shot out of the crowd
rather than you're just thereperforming.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, I mean, they did pay to get in.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
The least.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I could do is honor that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Exactly, but not everybody does that oh it's fun,
it's really fun.
You enjoyed yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh, I had a blast.
It was so fun just to try tofigure out new ways of igniting
an audience.
And it's funny I have this Iwin story.
When I first turned pro, it'slike the president of Ice
Capades signed me, kind ofholding his nose.
We were really great friendsand we built a really huge level
(12:44):
of respect for each other.
But anyway, at the time he'slike you're just going to party,
you think the work's done andyou're just going to miss shows.
We're going to party, you thinkthe work's done and you're just
going to miss shows, we'regoing to have to refund tickets.
It's a nightmare.
We had to sign you and it'slike no, no, no, I'll be the
best employee you ever had.
So I'd look out at the crowdand I'd see these men sitting in
the front row and they would belooking around kind of like, oh
(13:07):
man, I hope this going to end,I just want to go home.
And I realized I go.
These men are so underserved.
If I could get that guy on hisfeet, I could skate forever.
And so it was like, okay,that's my.
Every time I come up with a newroutine or I come up with a new
idea, it's to get that guy onhis feet.
(13:28):
So it was funny.
The other day I was at thisevent for cares and this guy
came up and he goes hey, he goesstill doing backflip, and I was
like, oh no, it's only in myhead.
And I go.
I got to tell you something.
This is what happens to meevery time I go.
I fly out of time probablySouthwest usually and I meet guy
.
I go yes, sir, and he goes, Idon't watch skating, I'm a
(13:52):
football kind of big footballfan and I like baseball too, and
I go me too, I like all thesports.
And he goes hey, can I get mywife, because I know she'd love
to meet you.
And I go, absolutely.
So he gets his wife and shecomes back and he goes honey,
look who's here.
And she looks at me and she hasabsolutely no idea who I am.
And it's like I win.
(14:14):
I got that guy.
I got that guy to like skating,I got that guy to like skating,
and so it's like that.
It's like how do we inviteeverybody to the party?
And it's by being intentional,being intentional and it's by
looking at them, engaging theaudience and trying to predict
(14:34):
what they've never seen before.
That would be really fun forthem and to try to create that.
And so it gave me a 20-yearprofessional career.
Wow, From first steps toOlympic, gold was 16.
Wow.
And then 20 years of ice showsand competitions and
broadcasting and it's just beenextraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean I would watch figure skating and I'd be
nervous all the time.
I'd just get all tense like I'mgoing to fall.
Until you came on.
I'm like you're just a guyhaving fun.
If he fell, he'll just rollwith it, which you did.
Yeah, I relaxed when you skated.
Yeah, so there you did.
I relaxed when you skated.
Yeah, so there you go.
I stood up.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, I mean, I've only fallen on the ice,
estimated 41,600 times.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, and ice is hard .
Well, it is hard, but when youget up 41,600 times, the next
fall has very little meaning,and I think that's kind of the
metaphor for all of this.
You're going to get knockeddown, it's you're just gonna get
up.
I mean it's well.
I mean it's like you're gonnalike for everybody listening,
it's like you're gonna.
(15:38):
You're gonna get knocked down,you're gonna fall down.
You're gonna have some sort oflike knocked off your feet at
some point in your life.
It's just gonna happen and I'mnot I'm not projecting or
wishing that on anybody, butit's just life, right, right,
it's how you get up.
It's how you get up.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, that was what I was going to ask you to talk
about right now as we close thispuppy out, because you know
there are people listening that.
They're listening because theyjust got a diagnosis and they're
scared to death.
Life is over in their minds andsome of them have doctors who
are just like sorry, but youguys six months.
So you know that messes withyour mind why is it always six
(16:15):
months?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
it's always six months every time it's because
it's a best guess it's like oh,you don't know, oh, you don't
know, so how?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
what would you say to encourage them right now?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'd say do your homework.
I don't believe in secondopinions, I believe in seventh
opinions and um, it goes back toMurphy's Law.
You know, where you standdepends on where you sit.
You know, yeah, the old Reagantrust, but verify.
And it's really getting aknowledge of your condition
(16:45):
where you can make the bestpossible choice.
For you know and give yourselfthe best chance of surviving.
And sometimes it may not bewhat you want to do.
Other times it's like, well,here's an opportunity to try
something else.
You know, and so there's, youknow, it's, it's.
I said that to an oncologist onetime.
I thought I offended him.
He goes.
No, that's so smart becausecancer is changing every day.
So if you're sitting acrossfrom the desk from a surgeon,
(17:06):
you're probably going to get cut.
If you're probably going to getcut, if you're sitting across
the desk from a he-monk, you'reprobably going to get chemo.
If you're sitting across thedesk from a radiation oncologist
, you're probably going to getradiated.
But it's understanding what isthe best choice for you to give
you your life back and then thebest quality of your life
post-cancer.
Because that's where you've gotto think.
You've got to think okay, onceI'm through with this, what look
(17:34):
like.
And I got.
I got great, beautiful,gorgeous scars like they're.
They're stunning and they'rebeautiful and they're badges of
honor because it says look how,look how resilient you know the
lord has made us.
And that's the whole idea isjust understand your condition
and then make make choices basedon that, on everything you've
learned.
You know, if you're just goingto say I'm not doing that, I'm
not doing that, I'm just notgoing to do that, and it's like
(17:56):
I spend so much of my life nowtrying to get rid of
chemotherapy and I'm herebecause of it.
I'm not a hypocrite, I justknow there's a better way, so I
got to keep working towards it.
Right, and that's the same witheverybody out there.
It's like what's state of theart, what, where, what, what?
(18:16):
And Dr Toby Cosgrove told mesomething at the aneurysm issue
in 2010.
He said he goes, there's reallygood doctors out there that do
miraculous things, and thenthere are six-a-day guys.
All you really want is a six aday guy.
Find out who the best guy is totreat you and then listen to
(18:38):
that person and respond in a waythat's not about more or less
denial.
It's about here's your bestchance of success, living your
best and longest life, andwhatever that is and there's
again, it could be anything youknow.
It could be vitamins, it couldbe high pH water, it could be
(18:59):
eliminating sugar from your dietor going keto.
It could be a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Or it could just be that maybe going through
chemotherapy for three months ortrying this new immunotherapy,
you know, medication might, orthe course of treatment, or
maybe it is just purely alumpectomy, a surgery, just get
it out, you know.
Or maybe it's this new type ofthing that we're doing, you know
, endoscopically, or maybe it's.
You know, but you don't knowuntil you spend the time to find
(19:25):
out.
Right, and all that informationexists.
You just have to, you have tospend some time to get to it,
and it's growing all the time,growing all the time and almost
oppressively right.
But you know there are centersof excellence out there for each
individual form of cancer andsome are unexpected, really,
(19:46):
really there, yeah, there, andyou know there have to educate
ourselves, you know it'sphysical, emotional,
(20:12):
intellectual, spiritual.
It's got to approach everythingwith those four qualities and
if you do, um, that's the bestchance you have of living a long
and and uh, quality life, likeyou said.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Just get stronger in every area because you know, for
some reason your body allowedcancer to grow, like you said.
I mean, your body's supposed totake care of these things, but
something was lacking somewherewhich caused it to grow, which
you know.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It could be total stress, you're eating garbage,
or well, why is it that in thiscountry, you know we're eating
foods that are illegal almosteverywhere else?
It's like how is that evenpossible?
And now, who do?
I trust you know.
It's like no, you can't havethat chemical in that food.
What makes it look pretty?
(20:58):
Well, I don't care, it's justyou know.
It's like I got a pineapplefrom my wife this morning.
I said you better eat thattoday because it's not going to
be pretty tomorrow.
It's just like okay, let's dothe right thing Drink lots of
water and make sure it's good,clean, healthy water.
I mean, the most important thingI do in our home is to make
(21:22):
sure and my wife is very, very,very amazing, she's the one that
really created this eco-centerfor our house we're only
drinking filtered and treatedwater.
Right, I've filled and treatedin a way like it can be high ph
or it can be acidic, or it canbe just, you know, natural, but
it's filtered.
There's nothing in it that'sgoing to be harmful to our
(21:43):
bodies.
It's pure water and and it'slike that's an investment.
I'll make no matter what, firstand foremost because it's so
important.
It's so investment.
I'll make no matter what, firstand foremost because it's so
important.
It's so important what we putin our bodies and how we live
our lives.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So how do people get a hold of you?
Obviously, take it to the CARESFoundation, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
CARES, scottcaresorg.
We're doing a lot of really,really cool things.
I guess it's coming up on 10years, um, since we started this
foundation, um, but it is thatit's.
It's um.
You know, join us.
You know we're really trying to.
You know the cancer the carestands for the cancer alliance
(22:26):
for research, education andsurvivorship, right.
So we've we've handled thesurvivorship and the education
in really cool ways.
The research is what we'refocused on now, but the A, the
alliance, is something that wejust I want to wear that letter
out and we work with othercancer foundations and we help
them and they help us and we'rea collaborative organization.
(22:48):
Silos don't work in cancer Forsomebody to say say, you can't
see my work, I'm going to be, Imean, this is mine to do, and
they're missing out on thiscollaborative thing.
We did this um, this study formetastatic melanoma, and all
these other researchers saw thepromise of it and they, they
wanted to come on board and be apart of this research and now
it's in clinical trial.
(23:09):
Wow, the disease that killed mymom is now in clinical trial.
It's huge.
So it's huge and it's it's likeokay, I pray that they're on
the right track and I pray thatthis research, in this clinical
trial, goes the next phase andnext phase and next phase and
become standard of care.
Wouldn't that be amazing?
Yeah, and then there won't besome 18 year old boy out there
(23:30):
burying his mom and missing outon what, when he needs her the
most, you know.
And so, yeah, come join us.
Gotcaresorg.
We have a 1984 campaign as theyear I won my gold, but 19.84 a
month and you can support us andand we're.
We've done 88 partnershipssince we started.
Eight's my number, and we'regoing to continue on and we just
(23:56):
really truly feel like we canchange the world for the better
and forever.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, well, that sounds great, scott, thanks for
doing this.
Oh, my pleasure, thank you, andI just love your office.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Isn't it fun.
I don't do any kind ofmemorabilia at home ever.
That's all here or it's in myoffice at the rink.
I won't do that to my kids.
It's like, nah, I'm your dad,I'm not this other thing.
So we do a lot of stuff here andit's fun to kind of relive
(24:28):
these memories.
And there's a lot of fun thingsin here that you know.
It's like my firstinternational competitions over
there.
And then you know I carried theflame into Salt Lake City
Olympics with Peggy Fleming andthen a gentleman who was a
professor at Bowling Green StateUniversity grabbed a hunk of
snow from the ice at the Zetrain Sarajevo and put it into a
(24:51):
bottle.
So I'd always have the water ofthe ice that I skated on and
it's just really cool things itreminds me of.
Like I don't really trulyremember everything about that
guy, but I think you know it wasfun and I was able to touch
some lives.
You know just all the skatersthat I got to tour with and
(25:13):
compete against and compete withOn the 40th anniversary Brian
Orser, the silver medalist, andJoseph Bobchick, the bronze
medalist.
We were all together in NewYork Really On the night because
we couldn't wait to be backtogether.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, who remembers them?
We all remember you.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, brian Orser's had three olympic champions as a
coach, uh, wow, yeah, he's, he'slegit and he's just the best
guy ever.
And joseph objic, again, he was.
He was younger than us and hewas always following us around.
And when we got to stand on thepodium together in sarajevo, it
was something that you know, we, we knew that we'd always,
always be friends and we wouldalways want to be together.
(25:49):
And at night I go hey, you guyswant to meet in New York and
celebrate together.
And they go yeah.
And so Brian flew in from Asia.
I think he had some weirdflight thing where he was able
to get in just in time and welaughed for two days.
It was so much fun.
But that's life, that's what wewant to do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
What we want to do, we want to live our days live
our days fully and and enjoy Ithink you're doing a good job
trying I'm still a work inprogress in many respects and
almost all respects yeah, are weall, though?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
yeah, until we're gone until we're gone.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
But you know, in my closet I have a framed thing and
it's just the nine fruits ofthe spirit.
I figure if I can live in love,joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, gentleness.
But you know, in my closet Ihave a framed thing and it's
just the nine fruits of theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I figure if I can live in love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness,gentleness, faithfulness and
self-control every single day,the rest of my days are going to
be pretty good.
Yeah, it's funny you said thatbecause I was telling you
earlier about my cousin whopassed away.
That was diagnosed the sametime I was I'm thinking man, I'm
still here and I had a stagefour.
He had a stage less than one,but then the pastor went through
the fruits of the Spirit likethat and he goes.
Who does that describe?
(27:02):
And it was my cousin to the T.
He was like every one of thosethings I'm like.
Well, you know, he served hispurpose here and he's now in a
better place.
Apparently I've been draggingmy feet so I need to get it
together but I mean it just.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
it really does make a difference if you start to feel
like that, that that spirit ofoh I don't know just negativity
or antagonism or justfrustration.
It's like, oh, I see, you Getout, just get out.
And it's not easy.
Sometimes I keep catchingmyself.
The more I live in joy, themore I live in peace, the more I
(27:41):
live in love.
I just feel sometimes I got atarget on my back and I just got
to keep fighting him off.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah Well, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Save me in the edit, will you Okay.
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