September 8, 2024 • 50 mins
What happens when you mix engaging E-Stim discussions with a touch of humor and a lot of enthusiasm? In this episode, we welcome Ian, Rachel, and Joanne from Joanne's Reviews, who bring their lively personalities and insightful stories to our second live stream. We start off with some light-hearted banter about technical hiccups at eStim HQ and delve into the origins of Joanne's Reviews from nearly nine years ago. Ian shares his ambitions for his upcoming YouTube channel, Toothless Nerd, promising a treasure trove of in-depth tech reviews. We also stroll down memory lane, reminiscing about industry highlights like the Birmingham Bizarre Bazaar and our first encounters with electro stimulation products.
Managing a 3D printing business with 23 printers is no small feat, and this episode sheds light on the operational hurdles and innovative solutions behind it. From naming printers after beloved characters to tackling the logistical complexities of stock management and wholesale orders, our discussion offers a candid look at the labor-intensive nature of 3D printing. We emphasize the importance of print farm management software and the perpetual balancing act required to meet high demand while maintaining top-notch quality. This segment is a must-listen for anyone curious about the behind-the-scenes efforts that go into producing custom, high-quality 3D printed items.
Our decade-long journey in the e-stim systems business has been filled with valuable lessons, and we're eager to share them with you. We discuss everything from rigorous product testing and combating copycat products to the intricacies of incorporating rechargeable batteries. We touch on our favorite electrodes, and offer practical advice for new E-stim users about starting simple and tracking their progress.
Tune in for an episode packed with wisdom, personal stories, and a shared passion for quality and innovation in the e-stim industry.
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"I make sex toys" is a the personal podcast of Wayne Allen, the Director of E-Stim Systems. The content of these podcasts are not designed to be Explicit or Erotic but we may discuss adult topics and therefore these podcasts are not suitable for children or those of a nervous disposition. You have been warned.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone.
It's Wayne here from eStimSystems, also known as I Make
Sex Toys, and it's time foranother podcast.
But this is a podcast with alittle bit of a difference.
You might have known from ourYouTube channel that we've
started doing monthly livestreams, and the first couple
have been stunning and brilliant, and this is actually an audio
(00:20):
version of the second, which wasthe first with a guest.
In fact, not just one guest, wehad three, we had Ian, rachel
and Joanne from Joanne's Reviews, and what did we get up to?
Well, we talked about virtuallyeverything.
We had a bit of a blast and itwas a bit of fun.
So welcome to the audiotranscription of that video.
If you want to watch the videoin full, or even the highlights,
(00:42):
you will find them on ourYouTube channel.
But whatever you do, pleaseenjoy.
Hello everybody, hopefully thisis working.
Yeah, welcome to the eStimSystems live stream.
It's changed a little bitbecause we had a few technical
(01:02):
issues, shall we say, on thelast one, so we've tried to do
some little bits of jiggerypokery with the audio and,
hopefully, the video, andhopefully everyone can see me.
So, hello everybody.
Ha ha, karen cooper.
Yes, we are definitely alive.
Hopefully by the end of thislive stream.
We'll still be alive afterwards, but it's been a busy week here
at east mhq.
(01:23):
You might have seen some of thebits and pieces that we've put
out on social media.
But yes, we did the mad thing.
We had an upgrade of one of ourmachines and it went completely
wrong.
We ended up with havingengineers on site for most of
last week.
Good afternoon, roy.
It's been interesting.
And guess what?
I'm on holiday next week, soliterally after I finish this
(01:45):
live stream, I've got to go homeand pack and get on a cruise
for a week or so, so it's gonnabe interesting.
What's happening in east inworld?
Well, new machine.
We've already mentioned that.
We've also been nominated for aeuro fame award, which is quite
a shock, really, and quitesomething.
Someone's what?
There's all these?
Oh, sorry, it's not X, it'sX-Biz Award, not Eurofame, right
(02:09):
?
Sorry, sorry, x-biz.
Why are most people coming heretoday?
Because we're going to havesome guests.
Does anyone have any idea whothe guests are?
Do we have any idea who theguests are?
Shall we go and find out?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because it could be interesting.
Ha-ha Hi.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We're back.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's the back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the crew from Joanne's
reviews, eastim Emporium andseveral other websites.
Would you like to introduceyourselves?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm Joanne, I'm Sabah .
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I'm Ian.
I'm not going to say what mynormal nickname is.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Stunt cock.
Is that related to being StuntCock?
Ian Stunt Cock yeah.
It's not that way.
I am that one, yeah you arethat one.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I hear you have a little secret.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I have lots of little secrets.
Which one?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
have you heard?
Ah, this is the one that Irecently heard about you on
social media the fact that youare going to do your own YouTube
channel.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I am in the process of setting up my own YouTube
channel.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's not going to be called Stunt Cock.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No, youtube will take exception to that.
It'll be called Toothless Nerdand it will be again doing
Eastern reviews, that sort ofthing, but more techie and more
in-depth.
I'm nerdy.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Questions for you, because I've always been
fascinated about what you do.
It's interesting because yousort of popped up on our radar
asking us to do a review of someof our products, and that's how
we sort of got to know aboutyou.
But you existed before that.
So how did you start doing whatyou do?
Oh, it's you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh, gee, thanks.
How many years ago was it?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I'm just the eye candy in the corner.
How many years?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How far do I go back?
Nine years, yeah, nine years.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Um, I think we we saw an article in the newspaper
about someone that startedreviewing sex toys and we
thought we've got some of themyeah, so yeah yeah, and so she
went yeah, let's do it.
So what was?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
the first sex toy that you reviewed.
Can you remember?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
oh, no, no I know what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I was gonna say he's got a good.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was a fucking machine and some of the things
that went on the front of ityeah which I'm not well.
We can talk about on youtube,but we'll probably not show it.
Yeah, it was.
Basically we started reviewingthe things that we owned.
Yeah, because that's easy toestablish yourself and if you're
going to approach companies,you need to have a portfolio of
work yes so we, we started offwith a kit we had and we used,
(04:26):
and then we had a bit ofimposter syndrome where you
start doubting yourself and youthink, well, are we doing the
right thing, are we good enoughon that?
And then we saw a tweet Ibelieve it was from Eastim
Systems and we went what theheck is?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
that.
Yeah, I remember that bit.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, and then we started looking and went, oh,
that sounds a bit interesting,and I think you got in touch,
didn't you?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think that was probably our response to our own
tweet actually was what theheck is that?
It's interesting.
You talk about impostersyndrome because we had the same
in terms of when we started,particularly when we started
doing I mean mean we starteddoing smaller shows.
So we we started with thingslike the bbb lff.
So birmingham bazaar, bazaar,london, alternative market,
(05:10):
london fetish fair, and Ibelieve you've done bbb, haven't
you?
yeah so we started doing thoseand we sort of came across
electro stim actually first, andthey weren't really, I mean,
they were much more known in themain market so they weren't
really doing the sort of fetishymarkets that we were doing, but
then they sort of popped upevery so often.
We had a couple ofconversations with them, which
(05:32):
were interesting, shall we say.
Sorry, andy, but yeah they wereinteresting and yeah, we sort
of felt are we doing the rightthing?
Can we compete?
And there was almost an elementof, well, we can't compete on
the same level and even thesedays we were.
We can't compete with, say, love, honey and that sort of level,
(05:54):
purely and simply because theyspend more money on advertising
than we do on productdevelopment.
I mean, to us productdevelopment is the most
important thing and creatingservice for your customers.
But the minute you go into ohwell, let's make the package all
pretty, it's like well, you'rewasting money because nobody
really cares about the packagingonce they bought the product.
So yeah, I mean we went throughquite a few elements of
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imposter syndrome.
I remember we went to a storeonce when we first tried to get
into stores and we talk abouthaving the Dragon's Den moment
where it just they tore us a newasshole.
Excuse my french because wehadn't a clue as to what to
offer a store in terms ofpricing, and we we learned quite
quickly from that then sort ofmoved into an area of.
(06:39):
We wanted to be different, andI think that's where you succeed
.
And certainly when we firstcame across you and you
approached us for can we, can wehave some kit to do reviews
that was the point, that thatwas the thing that appealed to
me.
You were different.
We have so many people thesedays who approach us and say, oh
, can I have some kit?
It's almost weekly, if notdaily.
Somebody asks and you, you'resort of there and go well, 95 of
(07:02):
the people out there who'vereviewed our kit are genuine
customers because they've boughtthe kit and they've done what
you've done.
They've bought kit and thengone.
I'm going to write about this.
I'm going to put it on mywebsite.
Yeah, there's a few out therewho we would provide kit because
they've asked for it, and wetend to look at what they've
done in the past and go well, dowe like what you've written?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And it isn't, do you like?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
what we've written.
Oh, it has to be 100 positive,it's no.
Do I actually just like whatyou've written in terms of?
Does it read english?
Is it fun?
Is it interesting?
Is it giving me stuff that Iwouldn't get from just reading
the advertising blurb from thecompany?
And that's exactly what youwere offering at the time, and
you still do.
I mean, I still look at whatyou provide in in terms of, and
you still do.
I mean, I still look at what youprovide in in terms of your
youtube channel and, go right,I'm stealing that idea not in
(07:49):
terms but not in terms ofproduct in terms of style, in
terms of the way you interactwith customers, because we all
know customers are the mostimportant thing out there.
None of us would be here if itwasn't for customers are you
genuinely saying that it wasdown to us that you actually got
into eastin?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
yeah, yeah yeah, like a lot of people, we'd never
heard of it before and you knowyou've got to get over your
first nerves.
You know you talk from a veryearly age electricity is
dangerous.
And then suddenly you find outwell, actually you do it in
certain ways.
With the right kit it can bedone safely, and which is why he
was the first one that I madetry the box I made him try it
(08:31):
first.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So when, then, when I was happy that it was okay, I
tried it.
When he made me try it althoughI did have to wrestle the box
off of him because he wanted toplay with all the buttons, he
did and I was like no, there'snothing you can never have too
many buttons, I'm sorry, justnever no, but when somebody else
is controlling the box, younever know what setting is going
(08:53):
to put on it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So now you know how I feel now, oh yeah yeah, I
control settings and levels hasalways been an interesting one.
I mean, we've had a few, shallwe say, accidents, which is
where some of our instructionscome from, where it's like
always turn the box down beforeyou start, how do?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
we know that, yeah, because ouch, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Unfortunately, you tend to do it more than once,
though, because you're just likeoh yeah, I know, I know oh now
I remember why I said I'm nevergoing to do that again.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah definitely so.
You went from reviewing boxesand I'm assuming that once you
reviewed us you sort ofapproached other companies and
expanded into because you docover all e-stim companies that
seem to be around.
Equal Electron employer.
Equal Electron employer.
Equal Electron employer.
So how did you then go intoactually becoming a manufacturer
(09:50):
?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, we got into 3D printing for other things we
were doing at the time, vanillastuff, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, we certainly kicked that in a touch.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, was it?
Somebody asked us for something?
Yeah, someone asked us to printsomething out, so we printed it
out and then sent them it andthen and we got interested, we
got into designing kit andsomeone said can you do this for
us?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
so we did that for them.
And then more and more peoplestarted approaching us can you
make us one of these, can youmake us one of those?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
and we thought well, that sounds so yeah and then we
started talking and going well,actually, you know, this is an
issue and we can solve that.
So we designed stuff and likeoh yeah, actually, yeah, we'll
sell this.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And the rest is history.
And the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, you wanted more torture instruments, didn't you
?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
for me?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's how it started , so how extensive is your?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
how many 3D printers do you have now?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
yes, we name them we don't name them, she names them.
I've named two yeah, you havenamed two.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've managed to name two.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, if it was up to me, I'd give them numbers, but
no give us the names.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, now you're saying the first one was Mel.
Mel and then Bob, the resinprinter's.
Bob, yeah, kevin, they're allMinions.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I was wondering how I can sort of guess.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And then we've got Melanie Tigger Eeyore.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Then we went into Disney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Piglet, two Piglets yeah.
We've got Deranged Piglet.
Yeah, we've got Deranged Pigletand Regular.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Piglet, We've got Rex Safa.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Toy Story Woody, Jessie, Buzz Buzz.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Grumpy Grandad.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, we don't talk about him, he's grumpy, in other
words, he just breaks downevery five minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Zomper Bambi, bambi and the other one, trixie there
you go, and then we've got Dracoand Bender yeah, so how many?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
is that in total 23.
23?
.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, but that's not including the resin printers.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's not including the two resin printers and I
take it you're not just runningthis off one extension lead.
Yeah, a short one.
Yeah, and we generally grilltoast over it 23,.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, right, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm starting to run out of names now.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, just do what we do, because I mean, we've now
got the new lathe and the oldlathe was called Ant because the
other one was called deck, andnow I think we're just on ant
two.
Do you spend all your time justrunning down the road of it?
Oh, stops, oh, I've got to runback to that one, or?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
that's my job the trick is to actually, when you
you put the models on the plate,you organize them with
different types of models sothey all finish at round about
the same time.
Yeah so you start all yourprints and then, four hours
later, you're clearing all yourbeds and starting your next
match.
Yeah so they know what takeswhat until you get the fastballs
that come in and I want thiscolor and that color, and then
you everything is out the window, and also having software that
(12:55):
you can control all of them yeah, we're using some print farm
management software now, whichmakes that a lot easier, a lot
less running up and down.
We can do a lot of things from acomputer and get feedback on
what print is going to finishnext and all that sort of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, we, everything wedo, we try and streamline things
because we've been trying thatfor 20 years.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It doesn't know, but you keep trying.
But as we've got busier andbusier, we've had to because
we're it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah you know, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
There's a limit to the woman power and me available
to go around.
I've got to say it that wayaround I'll get in trouble yeah,
it'll get jabbed by the fingeryeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
what do you consider your biggest challenges are?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
live streams.
Yeah, the weekly live streamsare hard work.
Yeah, I think you're nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I'm going to say again in public you're mad.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Our biggest challenge is keeping stock on the shelves
.
Yeah, because we've got so manythings now and printing is is a
relatively slow process.
Manage what's printing andwhat's on the shelf and what's
getting smooth is difficult, andwhen you get a wholesale order
comes in, that just throwseverything out the window this
sounds so familiar says you know, I want 157 items.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You're like oh god yeah, and then you still gotta
keep our stock.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, that's it, so it's keeping things on the
shelves, which is a problem thatyou might have as well yes, and
then we go and producesomething like I mean, initially
it was the rings.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The rings really really kill I wouldn't say kill,
I'm not gonna say killed us.
The rings turned out to beastronomically popular, much,
much more than we expected.
We were running overtime, wewere just desperately trying to
get everything up to date, totry and get the stuff out.
And then we went mad and wentoh, let's do some triples, which
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were a completely new designfor us.
Well, a completely new designfor everyone.
And, yeah, it went a bit mad.
And even now, triples are instock for about three minutes
before they go back out the doorand we're still making more and
more and more.
It's, yeah, it's a lovelyposition to be in, but it
sometimes you're just like Ineed to have a break.
What have I done?
(15:02):
What have I done?
And, yeah, when, when I turnaround to the engineering team
and go, oh, by the way, I've gota new design, they're like you.
What?
Yeah, I'll give you six weeksto make these.
No, the problem I think thesedays also is people.
Everyone assumes that you'reamazon and everyone assumes that
you're just shipping everythingin from China.
(15:23):
So when you explain to peoplethat, no, we actually have to
make these and sometimes we runout of stock because I think
we've got 110 SKUs, so 110different items, and we're
manufacturing large numbers ofthose, and most of it we're
manufacturing in house.
So for instance, a triple, Ithink there's probably one, two,
(15:44):
three.
There's about eight differentbits, which probably 15
processes going through severaldifferent machines and several
different stages.
It's not just something you canclick a button and it appears.
And even with 3d printing,you've still got additional.
You've got post-processingafterwards.
It's a ballet.
It's a ballet.
And yeah, by the time you'redoing those today, but somebody
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else wants those and yeah, we.
We have wholesalers and we havedistributors as well, which, if
you thought the wholesalerswere fun, the distributors are
even more fun.
They're buying numbers that youjust like oh, how am I gonna get
that out the door?
But we, we work our way throughit and we talk to customers and
we talk to our distributors andwholesalers and it's getting
(16:26):
better because we're we'reconstantly refining everything.
We're constantly buying newprocess.
Well, buy new machines just toknock off those few seconds of
of manufacturing time, becauseit then means we can make more
of them in a given amount oftime.
And it's yeah, it's neverending.
Starga.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, that's how we've ended up with 23.
It's painting the 67 bridge.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's lifetime warranty for the 2b account.
If you buy it from a differentstore, as long as you are the
original purchaser dutch guylifetime warranty counts.
So as long as you've got proofof purchase, yep, you have a
lifetime warranty on that.
I have had several pairs on my2b over the last four years.
It would be nice to know whatyou've replaced or repaired with
the letter that you sent backwith the 2B.
That's an interesting one,because it depends on what the
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repairs are, and the problem wesometimes have is one it might
be completely meaningless.
So if I say that I've replacedTR6, what does TR6 mean to you
as a customer?
Yeah, it happens to be one ofthe drive transistors.
Sometimes we were replacingthings because they're broken.
Sometimes we're replacingthings because they might be
broken or they might be on theirway out.
(17:35):
Biggest problems of anyelectronics and this isn't just
two b's, it's probablyconnectors that's probably the
number one source of issues.
So if we have a unit that'scome back that needs a repair,
then we tend to replace certainthings.
So you might find that your boxhas had sockets replaced,
because that's the default thingthat we tend to replace.
It does depend on what theproblem is.
(17:56):
Then we get into the the wholeissue with.
Actually we didn't find anyproblem, which sadly is
something that is quite common,because it might not necessarily
be the box, it might be thecables.
Cables only last three to sixmonths because there's something
that moves, it gets squished.
That can cause issues withoutputs.
(18:19):
Also with the 2b, the.
The current 2b, which we woulddefine as being a 14d, has a
number of things that havechanged internally one to make
it easier for us to manufacture,because it's that element of
constantly trying to improvethings but also trying to make
it more robust.
And now, if you've got olderboxes, we actually have some
little extra bits that we'll putinto the box.
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If an older box has failed,we'll upgrade it effectively to
the latest spec.
We always test every single unit.
Firstly, we test every singleunit multiple times when it goes
out.
So we're testing at board level, we're testing, and during the
assembly process we then do afinal test.
Every single unit that leavese-stim systems is tested.
Unfortunately, they then gothrough this process of extra
(19:03):
testing called the post officeor shipping, and they get thrown
around.
We see some of the packagesthat come out of this process
and things do break,unfortunately, and if they break
when they get to you, we willdo our best to solve that.
Sometimes they'll break duringuse because, let's face it,
electronics.
I've got three cameras in here.
(19:24):
One of them has failed.
It's the nature of electronics.
We will always go through thesame test process so we'll get a
report back from the customer.
This is the customer has saidthis is what's wrong with it,
and I'll we'll discuss with thecustomer to see if it is
something that we need to repairor whether it's something that
needs to come back to us.
We test everything and we'lltest it as part of the process
(19:44):
to build it.
We'll test it when it comesinto us as a repair.
We'll test it past the repairand then we do a final test
because hopefully then we get tosend it back out to you and you
are happy that you've receiveda repaired item and this is one
of the things we offer alifetime guarantee and that
genuinely means that for theexistence of this business, we
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will repair those items for you.
It would be pointless if we'rejust going to send it back and
go no, we didn't bother andunfortunately some people think
that's what we do, but it's likeno, we actually will sit down
with oscilloscopes, with powersupplies, and try and work out
what the problem is.
We had one gentleman whomanaged to drive over a box and
I still haven't worked out howhe actually did it.
(20:24):
Gentleman who managed to driveover a box, and I still haven't
worked how he actually did it,but he was honest and said no, I
actually drove over the box,which was really really
entertaining.
But yeah, danny, post does nothave respect for mail.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
No, we've no no, we can agree with that.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We have that so many times.
Anyway, I'm going back to mylittle q.
A questions for joanne and Cody.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, yes.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
This is not supposed to be all about me.
This was sort of trying tobring in some interest.
That isn't just me sitting heregoing buy my product.
Yes, buy my new product.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So okay, things that we wouldn't necessarily know
about you.
So what secrets do you havethat people Tell me something we
don't know Did you?
So what secrets do you havethat people most think tell me
something we don't know did?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
you know this was coming how would I know this was
coming?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
no, my, my background was forces.
Before I came to this, I served23 and a half years from
leaving school, joined up, wentall around the world, did all
sorts of different things indifferent countries and
different actions.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Dragged me to a few of them.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Dragged you around the world as well with some of
them, and then retired, and thenit started getting kinky.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Very kinky.
It was fun.
Well, it was boring to beginwith.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It was very boring to begin with, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm concerned.
It only became kinky afterwards.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, no the kink came to the surface.
The kink was already there, asyou know, but yeah, and then we
got into doing reviewing andthis side of things, which is
chalk and cheese to what I'ddone for the previous 23 and a
half years, but it's a lot morefun, it's a lot more interesting
.
Yeah, definitely.
What about you?
On the end there, quiet one.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What me?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I actually went to college and was qualified as a
hairdresser and a beautytherapist, so it's like
completely opposite.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I'm sorted.
I was just thinking that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I need a haircut as well, I was with you.
So when I met Stunt Cocker,yeah, and we've only just untied
her Literally- you mean to sayyou leave her tied up?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
She enjoys it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
She loves it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So how long have you been going as a business?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
now Nine years, nine years, no, because you've been
with us eight yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So it must be at least nine, maybe 10 years.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So what would you have done differently?
Invested in Bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
At the beginning I think yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'd probably agree with that one actually.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
The last ten years we've evolved in what we do and
how we do things and we've had ablast along the way.
It's been a lot of fun.
A lot of fun a lot of pullingyour hair out a lot of hard work
, a lot of hard work, butgenerally it's been more highs
than lows, so we've reallyreally enjoyed it and, yeah, I
think if we could do anythingdifferent, it was getting to
(23:04):
easter earlier and maybe keepingour mouths shut when we're not
quite ready to release a productyeah yeah, yeah, is that like a
certain company?
Three years and counting.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, and that's one thing that I think we decided
quite early on actually is wedon't say anything about new
stuff coming on.
Well, I'm going to be honest,we do to people that we trust,
but we generally don't, becausethat's part of our sort of
testing process as well, becausewe want feedback from people
who are not necessarily withinthe company or within the world
(23:39):
of e-stim systems.
Say, for instance, we providedyou with something and you turn
around and go it's reallyrubbish.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I didn't think you were going to mention that one
yeah, let's not talk about thefailures.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
In fact, most of the failures that we've had as
products have never actuallyreached the market.
Fundamentally, if we don't likethem ourselves, then we're not
going to try and produce them.
But equally, we've sort ofprovided kit to our test team,
because we have like a hierarchy.
So we have ourselves, then wehave test team and then we have
sort of people that we know asfriends and when they go, yeah,
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yeah, really don't like that one, it's like right, where's get
me pen out, me pad, and itstarts scribbling again.
Come up with new ideas.
I mean, we, we look at whateveryone's doing and go, oh, I
could do that, but I could do itbetter.
Because that's the key here,that there's that element of
yeah, there are people out therewho will just copy stuff and
we've had at least two or threeelectrodes blatantly copied and
we we spoke to an individual inum the us who is selling one of
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that style of electro, shall wesay, and basically said it's a
blatant copy of our product, andthey then came out with a whole
new spiel of how they developedit and it's like, well, that
doesn't match the person whoactually developed the product,
what they were saying on discordyeah whatever, fine, yeah,
we'll remember this.
But uh, yeah, no, I mean, we'relooking at we're constantly
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looking at what we do and whatother people do and sort of go
actually, yeah, that's a greatidea, can we buy it and can we
sell it?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
going on on that topic.
The last two things that youhave come out with have been
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, the electro rings and the the triples both
the electro rings and thetriples have been around in
design for several years,because one of the things we
can't do is just con I thinkyou're finding it is you can't
constantly just bring out newstuff all the time, because
people like when you just boughtthe last thing and you've
brought something new and youhave to do that element of
(25:39):
actually you've got to build thethings as well.
So, yeah, I think we've beenlucky touch wood, but it's also
the fact that we're talking topeople all the time.
So the rings, for instance,we've gone through, I think,
about at least three differentring designs which could have
appeared in the past, but wedidn't like them.
They just they didn't work forus.
So when you get to the stagewhere actually you're finding
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something that actually I'mbeginning to like this, it's
almost that case of if you'reproud of the product and you
feel genuinely that this is agood idea and I think that works
for most businesses if yougenuinely feel comfortable with
what you've done and go, yeah,that's the new product, then
yeah, you've probably got a goodproduct there.
(26:20):
If you've genuinely sort ofworked your way through that
process, if you're just sittingthere going, oh well, I can make
a thousand of those and howmuch money are you going to make
off it?
That's probably not going toend up being a product that
actually really works unlessyou're really, really lucky.
We have seen businesses do thatand they continue to do that.
Personally, I only like to usethe 2bl mains power rather than
battery.
Have you considered arechargeable box?
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We have considered rechargeablebatteries for quite a while.
Several issues of rechargeablefirstly, shipping anything
through the post that's usingrechargeable these days, lithium
polymer, lithium ion batteriesis a nightmare because a lot of
the couriers just don't likethem.
It's an issue because suddenlythey turn around and go oh, by
the way, the postage is going tocost you an arm and a leg more.
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You could ship them and nottell them, and then they ban you
, which is not a great idea Thenyou get caught.
I'm also concerned with thelongevity issues with them
because, again, we're producingboxes that we offer a lifetime
guarantee, but I can't guaranteethat battery is going to last
anywhere close to what I wouldlike it to last, unless we're
going to spend stupid amounts ofmoney on the batteries.
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And the biggest issue is thisrecharging element.
We play oh it's brilliant,getting there, closer, closer,
oh, it's gone flat.
Quick, quick, get the PP3,stick it in right, we can carry
on.
Otherwise you're going to be inthat situation where, oh yeah,
great, and now I've got to waittwo hours, three hours maybe for
it to recharge it just doesn'twork for us at the moment.
It is something we're looking atand there's some interesting
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new technologies floating around, there's some new ideas, but at
the moment it's not somethingwe do.
Do we have?
We have some registered designs, but the problem with any
product the menu firstly, if yougo into patents, then that gets
very, very expensive.
You, if you're going toregister designs, that's only
going to protect you in certainareas.
(28:06):
So, realistically, if you'regoing to try and protect a
product, you're going to end upspending more money protecting
it than you would ever doselling it.
So you tend to come up, try andcome up with ideas that are
sufficiently good that peoplewant to buy it from you because
you actually designed it and youinvented it, as opposed to
going buying a cheap copy.
We all know that companies willsell cheap copies but, yeah,
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fundamentally they're just,they're copies and it's.
If you want to supportcompanies and you want the
products that you're buying tocontinue, then you need to be
supporting the companies thatare actually producing them, not
the companies that are copyingthem, and the 2B is not an ET312
and has never been a 312.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But it has two in the name.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
That's as close as it gets the number of people I
have conversations with.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
In fact, I'm going to do a video about why the 2B is
not a 312.
It's like he doesn't do thesame as a 312.
No, he doesn't, because it wasnever designed as a 312.
Yeah, we didn't copy the 312.
We never wanted to copy the 312.
We didn't copy the 312.
Advice for new businesses.
So if someone's coming into thefetish area and they've got
this wild business idea, whatwould your?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
advice be Research, research, research, research.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Get as much information.
Learn the market.
Try and find people that haveattempted something similar.
Did they succeed?
Did they fail?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Get to know your customer.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, that's the big thing Speak to not necessarily
your close family, because theymight paint succeed.
Did they fail?
Get to know your customer, yeah, yeah, that's the big thing.
Speak to not necessarily yourclose family, because they might
paint a rosy picture on thingsyeah but speak to some people
that are not exactly in yourclose family circle and get some
information from the feedback.
Yeah, because a lot of timepeople speak to friends and
family and oh, it's great, andthen you only end up selling
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them to friends and familybecause they feel sorry.
Yeah, yeah, but it is hard.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But research is a thing I must admit us trying to
sell our products to friends andfamily could certainly be an
interesting, especially withsome of my definitely
interesting conversation.
Okay, I'm gonna.
This is a double-ended questionas well, so the first question
is what's, what's your favoritepower box?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
the 2b, I'm supposed to say that is mine, yes it is I
love the 2b the pebble is mineyeah and I like the remote.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
The remote is fun okay, she generally be.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She's on the receiving end yeah, I like the
pebble as well okay.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So the double-ended question now is what's your
favorite box?
If you weren't allowed tochoose an e-stim systems box, if
I wasn't, allowed to choose outof every other box on the
market that you know about.
Right, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
just trying to think well, for me it would probably
be the axis, simply because ofthe features in it, although the
flicks the Flix are fun.
They're all right, but they'rea little bit basic.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
You like the Micro 312, don't you, I do.
Yeah yeah.
The Micro 312 is a nice compactbox.
We've got one of those, but forme it's still a 2B.
Can't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Is that checking the post?
That's still an East End system2b.
Can't tell me otherwise.
Is that checking the post?
Yeah, checking the post to them.
Yeah, I mean, we do have otherboxes, it's just we, we prefer
yours, I think we've got, Ithink, 13 boxes now.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We've reviewed for electrostim.
We've got the 312.
We've got the coyote 3 sat inthe box behind us we haven't
we've got the coyote 2.
Yeah, it's all right.
I wouldn't recommend it forbeginners.
It's a little bit complicated,but we tend to play with your
kit, um, because we just like it.
It does what it what we want itto do.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, it's just so easy to use yeah, and it's got
knobs and he loves the fact thatyou don't have rechargeable
batteries.
I had to use me special buttonsthere being close and having to
recharge your battery thatcheck is in the post, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
rechargeable is on the cards.
It is something we're lookingat.
I think it's a case of we needto find, because we don't just
do, oh, let's take a 2b andstick a rechargeable battery in
it.
It would be a case of let'screate something that is
different.
Let's create something thatworks.
So, if you want thatrechargeable aspect, what else
can we bring into that that isgoing to give you more?
(32:31):
I mean, you've got things likethe coyote, which have taken
certain ideas and run with them,and then you look at it and go
why did you do it that way,though?
I mean, this whole concept ofusing a mobile phone for control
is a great idea until youactually go and play with it and
you realize that I've just putmy thousand pound mobile phone
into a puddle of goo and I can'tget it to do anything now, and
(32:56):
she's screaming saying turn itdown, turn it down, and it's
like I'm trying but thetouchscreen is not working
anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You're dropping it because your hands are all lubed
up.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
When does the beta become standard?
Good question, it's on my list,actually, that's all.
I'm going to say at the momentwe are planning 2.128, which is
basically 2.127, with one minorchange.
Basically, we're flipping acouple of the maps over, which
is probably going to be sometimeI'm going to say possibly in
october.
But I'm not going to commit tothat, purely simply because I
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hate committing to time scales.
There's so many other thingsgoing on at the moment.
2.127 at the moment is the bestbeta we have.
It's unbelievably stable,actually it's, I think, on
virtually all of the boxes thatI'm playing with is using the
current beta.
I love it.
I wish I'd created the 2B withit, that beta, in the first
place, but like everything,things sort of evolve through
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that process.
Also with the 2b is there's atleast two or three new ideas
that I've come up with sincethat beta that I want to put
into later betas, but I haven'tsort of got round to it because
it's like I need to getsomething finished and at the
moment we've been playing aroundwith rings, triples and
possibly something else comingup soon which I'm not going to
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say anything about.
But we do have a show septemberwe are in europe going to euro
fame, which is another big tradeshow, and we do have a habit
when we go to trade shows ofpossibly coming up with new
ideas.
What's your favorite electrodes?
Oh no, I'm going to change that.
What's your favorite electrodesout of your own products?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
well, I'm going to start out of my or our own
products.
The new saddle is rather niceand the jet set willy yeah, we
can't really say the same forthat, can we?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
no, not really we don't have the right anatomy for
that yeah wrong equipment, Iwould say, oh, it's our shield.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's the pussy shield and the
mini shield or Olaf.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Or Olaf.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
In a special colour scheme.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Because he does look like a certain snowman.
Is that okay?
I?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
actually have one that looks like Olaf.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah we printed a special one off just so A plate
with a little red nose yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Orange.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm just trying to work out what an electrode
called Olaf looks like.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I'm quite concerned about that aspect.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But you will.
You'll see it, you go oh yeah,yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So do you have anything on the cards planned
for?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
we, we've got lots of things in the pipeline, um yeah
that's the problem.
We've got too many things in thepipeline that is the problem
it's narrowing it down to whatwe're going to do next when
you're a little company andyou've only got a little bit of
spare time and a little bit ofspare funds, it's trying to
nudge things in the rightdirection can be quite difficult
.
So we have two or three designsin the pipeline, nothing that's
(35:46):
ready to really show off yet,but we've always got things on
the back burner simmering away.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, sounds like us.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It's hard to bring things to market.
It takes so long.
I mean for us 3d printing kitit's.
It's quite a quick turnaroundtime in each iteration of a
design, so we'll print it andwe'll go.
Yeah, that needs tweaking, yeaha few hours later you've got
the next one.
But now we're starting to dostainless steel kit that we're
having made externally.
Yeah, the timeline, just yeah,grows exponentially as well as
the cost and the cost goes up,yeah we do.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
We sometimes do 3d printing to get an idea of
sizing, but actually for us,because we've got the cnc
machines in the workshop, it'smost of the time it's actually
quicker to run it through thecnc machine, apart from
sometimes the setups take a bitlonger.
The latest item that I've beenplaying around with, I think,
took me something like 24 hoursto print, when it doesn't take
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24 hours to put through cncmachines, because it's just it's
quicker but the setup time'shigher, so I can't just put a sd
card in and press the button.
I've actually got to make surewe've got the right tooling, the
right setups, configure all thetooling, then run it as a test,
run it as a.
We do what we effectively.
We run it simulation, thenwe'll run it on the machine in
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simulation, then we'll run it inthe air, so we'll run it away
from anything that's going toget cut and then just go through
that process.
So rather than sort of 24 hours, it probably takes three or
four, and you've then gotsomebody that is like, yeah, no,
this is wrong takes three orfour, and you've then got
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somebody that's like, yeah, no,it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I need to change that and let's go back to the model
and change the things again.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Roy, thanks, now got a mental image of stunt cock
singing, let it snow andstimming.
Yeah, I tend to change thewords to let it blow.
Well, that's it.
Yeah, you do not want to hearme singing no, you don't it
certainly puts new ideas into um.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Stereo stimming definitely.
What else do I have on mylittle list?
Because the time is, time isticking and we've we've still
got seven people out there whoare mad enough to actually watch
us talking about life, theuniverse and everything.
So what?
What would your advice be tonew Easton users?
Buy everything from us.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Do your research, do your homework, yeah, and take it
slow, take it steady.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Don't complicate things, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And make sure you've got plenty of lube and check
your equipment.
Yes, and ask lots of questionsif you need to.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
You see a lot of posts on Reddit and Discord
people that are new.
He said Reddit.
You see a lot of posts onReddit and Discord people that
are new.
He said Reddit.
Three days and four channelboxes and all the rest of it.
Start with one channel and startwith some very simple
electrodes and experiment withthose and learn how to interpret
your body's reaction to it,because we all interpret it
differently and there can be aneducation phase where you've got
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to train your brain tounderstand these new sensations
and if you're using two channelsor four electrodes, you're
making it really difficult foryourself.
Yeah, I, I completely agree Imean keep a diary as well.
Keep, just write some littlenotes.
Yeah, I'm using two pads inthis location on this program.
Tick or cross, and then you'redoing it three weeks later.
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You're not going to repeat thesame mistakes and you can use
that to zone in on what worksfor you.
And once you've found that thathappy spot, then start to.
You know, use multipleelectrodes and two channels,
four boxes and all the rest ofit.
But start simple.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, keep it simple that and don't be put off if
someone says, well, it works forme doing this, yeah, if it
doesn't work, that is so true,having done this for for well,
having sold the kit and designedthe kit for the last 20 years
and played with it for probably30, plus the number of people
who seem to get disheartenedbecause they don't get exactly
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the same or they don't appear toget the same stimulation that
somebody else does, and that'sbefore they start to look at
various youtube videos or notyoutube videos, only fans, etc.
Where they they see someonewho's almost got I've got an
electrode this big and they'rehaving 15 orgasms, one after
another and it's like one yeahthat probably isn't actually
occurring, but people need toexperiment and need to realize
(39:51):
that this is a completely newsensation.
I mean, this is not a vibrator.
It's going to be differentdepending on who you are, how
you're using the electrodes,where you're using electrodes.
How much have you had to drinktoday?
and that's not alcohol drink,that's just hydration what mood
you're in life is different allthe time and e-stim is exactly
the same, and that's why it's sowonderful, because you never
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know what you're going to getyou.
Hopefully you know what you'regoing to get.
You want to get that, thatclimax at the end.
For me personally, a lot of itis the journey, it's not the.
The end bit is the end.
It's like that's it yeah, I wasgonna say exactly the same focus
on the journey, not thedestination yeah, and realize
that what you find works for youis going to be different to
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somebody else, and that is socritical.
That's the key, that's the keyyeah, it is.
I mean, I'm reading some of thecomments that people have made
and they're brilliant comments.
It's don't buy everything, yousee.
This is david roberts.
Don't buy everything, you see.
Just start with a fewelectrodes, danny.
Every time is different and Icompletely agree it is.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, I'd love to say to someone Buzz, buzz.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I need to have buzz buzz in my little box of tricks
here.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You've got to be in that buzz, buzz.
We've got whoop, whoop yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Registered Registered yeah, I've got my pen writing
how I do it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
We're all going to have competitions as to who's
got the best buzz, buzz, yeah.
But yeah, I would love peoplecome to us and say, well, what
should I buy, what should Istart with?
And I'd love to say, well, youcould buy all of these, yeah,
yeah, and buy a 2b.
And the answer is no.
(41:26):
Firstly, have you ever actuallytried to play with eastin
before?
And if they've never triedeastin, the answer is either
look at something like a helixor if you're sort of humming and
hiring, then go and buyyourself a cheap tens unit from
boots or tesco's or somewherelike 30 quid.
It's not going to be as good asa helix or a pebble or an axis
or whatever, but it's going togive you some idea as to whether
you like that initial sensation, because we have had people and
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we all know people.
The minute you say it'selectrical, it's electricity,
they're like oh that's it.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I can't touch that.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm not going near it and they've.
You can try educating them asto.
Actually it's not as painful,it's a sensation.
But some people just like, no,don't like it, and I respect
that and I'm quite happy to havepeople say that to me.
I'd much rather someone say no,just don't like it, because I
want people to be happy.
I'm in the business of makingpeople happy, or at least trying
(42:11):
to, because if I've got happycustomers, my life is so much
easier, so much, much more funchatting to people about what
we've done well than listeningto people telling us how rubbish
we are and how much we'vecocked up.
I'm really sorry, okay, butunfortunately I don't control
how the ups driver put the boxthrough your window or something
like that.
Kren, buy cheap, buy twice.
(42:33):
Learn the difference betweenoverpriced and well engineered
and supported and made in thirdworld sweatshirt to minimum
specs.
Yep, I completely agree with.
Most of the industry does seemto manufacture in the far east,
which is understandable to acertain extent because it's
cheap, but you lose control overit.
That's something that appliesto all the fetishists and
marketplace, even carpet rollerswrapped in black tape.
Yeah, yep, seen that, I thinkfor us.
I think it was canes, whenpeople they would buy canes from
(42:57):
the local garden shop and stickthem on their stand at Lamb or
BBB or somewhere.
They'd be like £30 for a cane,it's like you haven't even
steamed the end over, so it'snot even a crook handle it's
just a cane and you pick it upand go.
It's still got the B&Q price onit.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
You run a beans.
Q price on it?
You're running beans.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, it's like there's no quality there, and
then you come across somecompanies that the wood has been
aged over the last 25 years.
It's like this thing isgenuinely good and that's where
we got into the whole industry.
I mean, we were bdsm players,for want of a better word.
Before we did eastim.
We had a private life, whichthen, semi, became public,
because it was what we did,because we used to turn up to
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events and parties and thingslike that, because that's how we
played and it was fun.
In fact, that was the biggestproblem actually.
We started eSIM systems andyou'd find yourself over a
spanking bench, enjoyingyourself, zoning out in subspace
, and then somebody would belike, can I place an order?
And it's like no go away.
(44:00):
And that happened a few timesand, yeah, my wife got run.
Oh, she was my girlfriend atthe time, she's my kaz, is my
wife now, my lovely darling wifewho's hiding over there.
And yeah, it was quiteirritating, was like, but can I
just finish the, the spankingsession or whatever was going on
and deal with your ordertomorrow, please.
But yeah, people forget thatthat's how a lot of us started
and this is effectively our life.
(44:21):
This allows us to do what we donow.
So it's wonderful the fact thatwe've got so many companies
like yourselves and I'd say,like us as well but yeah, I've
been doing it for a while but tohave new companies coming along
who seem to have the same ethosof trying to create things that
are good at a reasonable priceand then back it up with with
(44:44):
decent service and advice Ithink that's where the future
lies.
We're all seeing the amazons ofthis world and everything's
going ai and you can now createai porn and all that, but at the
end of the day, you're stillnot going to be beat someone
who's actually created somethingthat is designed to do what it
does well and give you thatextra element of the service and
(45:06):
the advice well let's just sayit works for us, and I think it
certainly works for you.
It's working for us, yeah, but Iwould like to say how much one
I've enjoyed this today, becausethis has been fantastic and
I've actually got an hour livestream without actually having
to do any work apart from justtalk.
It's brilliant.
I actually look at what you'redoing and think it's fantastic.
Yeah, I am going to steal allyour your good ideas.
(45:28):
I'm not going to steal yourproduct ideas.
Product ideas always give usother ideas, so it's that sort
of constant.
Oh, that's a good idea.
But yeah, I love what you guysdo, so please keep doing it.
Do more of it I mean, where doyou see yourself in five years
time?
This is an interview question.
I used to ask people who werejoining the company well,
hopefully in a much biggerworkspace bigger workspace.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
To the moment, we're in two areas, we've got two
separate buildings and thatcreates logistical problems so
consolidating that into one,being more efficient and being
able to have a little bit ofmore time off, because we we're
basically, we run flat out allthe time.
But that's, that's one of thethings.
When you're a small company, alittle family business, you've
got to grow slowly and thenhopefully things will work out
(46:11):
and blossom out in the futureand, but, more importantly, in
five years we hope to still behere yeah yeah I think that and
more of your products yeah, I'mnot going to complain about that
one and no doubt we'll have alot more printers oh
Speaker 1 (46:27):
yeah yeah because it's not one of those things
that sort of you buy just youcan buy bigger ones and they
work faster.
You just sort of you stillphysically got to print one item
at a time.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
You need to scale the number of machines really.
I mean, there are fastermachines on the market, but
faster machines need moremaintenance.
They tend to wear out quicker.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
So it's a trade-off with you.
Know you look at the same withthe CNC machines.
You know you've got to look atall the factors before you hit
the bottom.
But yeah, the big thing with usis just to keep the community
happy, keep coming out with goodkit and keep enjoying ourselves
, because life's for living.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I completely agree and hopefully the community out
there agrees.
Let's face it without thecommunity, we wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Absolutely.
The community might say life'sfor stimming.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Life is for stimming.
Yeah, life is for stimming.
Yeah for stimming.
Life is for stimming.
Yeah, life is for stimming.
Yeah, I like that as a logo.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think new t-shirts coming life is we need to do
t-shirts.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I have sex with electrons yeah again, we've got
badges.
We need to do something likethat.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You two will love that I have sex with electrons
we'll definitely be put in thenaughty corner for that one.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
It has been fantastic .
I've loved doing this livestream, so I'd like to thank you
all for putting up with me anddoing this after you.
You managed to do one yesterdayas well.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
So from our perspective, it's been an honor
to be the first guest.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
In fact, be the first guest on any podcast ever.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
We've never done this before, so for us it's been a
big learning process and anhonor.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yes, it is 2032 stunt carcass, now an army of
robot arms controlling.
Yeah, thank, thank you for allour regulars for turning up for
this as well, you are you'reanything but entertaining and we
didn't need any any popcorn onthis one.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Mike p374 says how often do you do a live stream?
Well, we, as in e-sim systems,we do a live stream now on the
last sunday of the month.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
However, joan, her team, do a live stream every
week on a saturday at saturdayfive bst yeah roughly five if
you're there for five o'clockand you've got a cup of coffee,
then by the time you've Saturdayat five BST.
Yeah, Roughly five Roughly five, yeah, five-ish.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
If you're there for five o'clock and you've got a
cup of coffee, then by the timeyou've drunk half of it, it'll
be started.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
We have a blast doing it.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
It's hard work, but a lot of fun it is, and this has
been a lot of fun and thank youfor putting up with me and yeah,
thank you for being the firstguest guests and yeah, we were a
little bit sneaky because, like, let's choose someone who we
know they they can talk for anhour about e-stim.
It's when I start asking themore interesting guests.
Do you think andy from electrostimmer come on?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
oh yeah, that would be interesting.
That would be, that could be aninteresting one.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
If anyone else is out there who would like to talk
about their experiences ofe-stim.
If you're just a user, youdon't have to be a manufacturer
then drop us a pm or an email orsomething.
I'll talk to anyone, because Ithink this is the more
interesting side of doing livestreams, rather than just me
trying to sell you something andtell you how wonderful this
next incantation of the two beesbeta is.
I do that anyway during thenormal videos on the channel,
(49:28):
but the live streams they'relive.
It gets more interesting.
So anyway, I'd like to thank you.
I'd certainly like to thankjoanne and her team for being
here tonight the crew, the crewand I thank you everyone who's
watched.
Posted competition keeps you onyour toes.
Yes, david, it certainly does,and it's fun.
But anyway, thank you everyone.
(49:49):
Thanks for being here, thanksfor watching, and I'll see you
on the next one, which should beI think it's what's?
The day last?
Anyway, it's the last sunday ofseptember, and see you there.
Bye.
The stream has now ended thatwas fun that's all folks.
(50:15):
Hopefully you enjoyed it.
If you did, please considerleaving a review.
If you didn't, then pleaseconsider leaving a review and at
least give us some feedback asto see what we can improve for
the later.
But whatever you do, pleaseenjoy yourself and have fun.
This is wayne from east simsystems stroke I make sex toys.
Thanks for listening.
Goodbye.
Hello everyone.
It's Wayne here from eStimSystems, also known as I Make
Sex Toys, and it's time foranother podcast.
But this is a podcast with alittle bit of a difference.
You might have known from ourYouTube channel that we've
started doing monthly livestreams, and the first couple
have been stunning and brilliant, and this is actually an audio
(00:20):
version of the second, which wasthe first with a guest.
In fact, not just one guest, wehad three, we had Ian, rachel
and Joanne from Joanne's Reviews, and what did we get up to?
Well, we talked about virtuallyeverything.
We had a bit of a blast and itwas a bit of fun.
So welcome to the audiotranscription of that video.
If you want to watch the videoin full, or even the highlights,
(00:42):
you will find them on ourYouTube channel.
But whatever you do, pleaseenjoy.
Hello everybody, hopefully thisis working.
Yeah, welcome to the eStimSystems live stream.
It's changed a little bitbecause we had a few technical
(01:02):
issues, shall we say, on thelast one, so we've tried to do
some little bits of jiggerypokery with the audio and,
hopefully, the video, andhopefully everyone can see me.
So, hello everybody.
Ha ha, karen cooper.
Yes, we are definitely alive.
Hopefully by the end of thislive stream.
We'll still be alive afterwards, but it's been a busy week here
at east mhq.
(01:23):
You might have seen some of thebits and pieces that we've put
out on social media.
But yes, we did the mad thing.
We had an upgrade of one of ourmachines and it went completely
wrong.
We ended up with havingengineers on site for most of
last week.
Good afternoon, roy.
It's been interesting.
And guess what?
I'm on holiday next week, soliterally after I finish this
(01:45):
live stream, I've got to go homeand pack and get on a cruise
for a week or so, so it's gonnabe interesting.
What's happening in east inworld?
Well, new machine.
We've already mentioned that.
We've also been nominated for aeuro fame award, which is quite
a shock, really, and quitesomething.
Someone's what?
There's all these?
Oh, sorry, it's not X, it'sX-Biz Award, not Eurofame, right
(02:09):
?
Sorry, sorry, x-biz.
Why are most people coming heretoday?
Because we're going to havesome guests.
Does anyone have any idea whothe guests are?
Do we have any idea who theguests are?
Shall we go and find out?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because it could be interesting.
Ha-ha Hi.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We're back.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's the back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the crew from Joanne's
reviews, eastim Emporium andseveral other websites.
Would you like to introduceyourselves?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm Joanne, I'm Sabah .
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I'm Ian.
I'm not going to say what mynormal nickname is.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Stunt cock.
Is that related to being StuntCock?
Ian Stunt Cock yeah.
It's not that way.
I am that one, yeah you arethat one.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I hear you have a little secret.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I have lots of little secrets.
Which one?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
have you heard?
Ah, this is the one that Irecently heard about you on
social media the fact that youare going to do your own YouTube
channel.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I am in the process of setting up my own YouTube
channel.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's not going to be called Stunt Cock.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No, youtube will take exception to that.
It'll be called Toothless Nerdand it will be again doing
Eastern reviews, that sort ofthing, but more techie and more
in-depth.
I'm nerdy.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Questions for you, because I've always been
fascinated about what you do.
It's interesting because yousort of popped up on our radar
asking us to do a review of someof our products, and that's how
we sort of got to know aboutyou.
But you existed before that.
So how did you start doing whatyou do?
Oh, it's you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh, gee, thanks.
How many years ago was it?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I'm just the eye candy in the corner.
How many years?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How far do I go back?
Nine years, yeah, nine years.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Um, I think we we saw an article in the newspaper
about someone that startedreviewing sex toys and we
thought we've got some of themyeah, so yeah yeah, and so she
went yeah, let's do it.
So what was?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
the first sex toy that you reviewed.
Can you remember?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
oh, no, no I know what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I was gonna say he's got a good.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was a fucking machine and some of the things
that went on the front of ityeah which I'm not well.
We can talk about on youtube,but we'll probably not show it.
Yeah, it was.
Basically we started reviewingthe things that we owned.
Yeah, because that's easy toestablish yourself and if you're
going to approach companies,you need to have a portfolio of
work yes so we, we started offwith a kit we had and we used,
(04:26):
and then we had a bit ofimposter syndrome where you
start doubting yourself and youthink, well, are we doing the
right thing, are we good enoughon that?
And then we saw a tweet Ibelieve it was from Eastim
Systems and we went what theheck is?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
that.
Yeah, I remember that bit.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, and then we started looking and went, oh,
that sounds a bit interesting,and I think you got in touch,
didn't you?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think that was probably our response to our own
tweet actually was what theheck is that?
It's interesting.
You talk about impostersyndrome because we had the same
in terms of when we started,particularly when we started
doing I mean mean we starteddoing smaller shows.
So we we started with thingslike the bbb lff.
So birmingham bazaar, bazaar,london, alternative market,
(05:10):
london fetish fair, and Ibelieve you've done bbb, haven't
you?
yeah so we started doing thoseand we sort of came across
electro stim actually first, andthey weren't really, I mean,
they were much more known in themain market so they weren't
really doing the sort of fetishymarkets that we were doing, but
then they sort of popped upevery so often.
We had a couple ofconversations with them, which
(05:32):
were interesting, shall we say.
Sorry, andy, but yeah they wereinteresting and yeah, we sort
of felt are we doing the rightthing?
Can we compete?
And there was almost an elementof, well, we can't compete on
the same level and even thesedays we were.
We can't compete with, say, love, honey and that sort of level,
(05:54):
purely and simply because theyspend more money on advertising
than we do on productdevelopment.
I mean, to us productdevelopment is the most
important thing and creatingservice for your customers.
But the minute you go into ohwell, let's make the package all
pretty, it's like well, you'rewasting money because nobody
really cares about the packagingonce they bought the product.
So yeah, I mean we went throughquite a few elements of
(06:16):
imposter syndrome.
I remember we went to a storeonce when we first tried to get
into stores and we talk abouthaving the Dragon's Den moment
where it just they tore us a newasshole.
Excuse my french because wehadn't a clue as to what to
offer a store in terms ofpricing, and we we learned quite
quickly from that then sort ofmoved into an area of.
(06:39):
We wanted to be different, andI think that's where you succeed
.
And certainly when we firstcame across you and you
approached us for can we, can wehave some kit to do reviews
that was the point, that thatwas the thing that appealed to
me.
You were different.
We have so many people thesedays who approach us and say, oh
, can I have some kit?
It's almost weekly, if notdaily.
Somebody asks and you, you'resort of there and go well, 95 of
(07:02):
the people out there who'vereviewed our kit are genuine
customers because they've boughtthe kit and they've done what
you've done.
They've bought kit and thengone.
I'm going to write about this.
I'm going to put it on mywebsite.
Yeah, there's a few out therewho we would provide kit because
they've asked for it, and wetend to look at what they've
done in the past and go well, dowe like what you've written?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And it isn't, do you like?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
what we've written.
Oh, it has to be 100 positive,it's no.
Do I actually just like whatyou've written in terms of?
Does it read english?
Is it fun?
Is it interesting?
Is it giving me stuff that Iwouldn't get from just reading
the advertising blurb from thecompany?
And that's exactly what youwere offering at the time, and
you still do.
I mean, I still look at whatyou provide in in terms of, and
you still do.
I mean, I still look at what youprovide in in terms of your
youtube channel and, go right,I'm stealing that idea not in
(07:49):
terms but not in terms ofproduct in terms of style, in
terms of the way you interactwith customers, because we all
know customers are the mostimportant thing out there.
None of us would be here if itwasn't for customers are you
genuinely saying that it wasdown to us that you actually got
into eastin?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
yeah, yeah yeah, like a lot of people, we'd never
heard of it before and you knowyou've got to get over your
first nerves.
You know you talk from a veryearly age electricity is
dangerous.
And then suddenly you find outwell, actually you do it in
certain ways.
With the right kit it can bedone safely, and which is why he
was the first one that I madetry the box I made him try it
(08:31):
first.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So when, then, when I was happy that it was okay, I
tried it.
When he made me try it althoughI did have to wrestle the box
off of him because he wanted toplay with all the buttons, he
did and I was like no, there'snothing you can never have too
many buttons, I'm sorry, justnever no, but when somebody else
is controlling the box, younever know what setting is going
(08:53):
to put on it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So now you know how I feel now, oh yeah yeah, I
control settings and levels hasalways been an interesting one.
I mean, we've had a few, shallwe say, accidents, which is
where some of our instructionscome from, where it's like
always turn the box down beforeyou start, how do?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
we know that, yeah, because ouch, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Unfortunately, you tend to do it more than once,
though, because you're just likeoh yeah, I know, I know oh now
I remember why I said I'm nevergoing to do that again.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah definitely so.
You went from reviewing boxesand I'm assuming that once you
reviewed us you sort ofapproached other companies and
expanded into because you docover all e-stim companies that
seem to be around.
Equal Electron employer.
Equal Electron employer.
Equal Electron employer.
So how did you then go intoactually becoming a manufacturer
(09:50):
?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, we got into 3D printing for other things we
were doing at the time, vanillastuff, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, we certainly kicked that in a touch.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, was it?
Somebody asked us for something?
Yeah, someone asked us to printsomething out, so we printed it
out and then sent them it andthen and we got interested, we
got into designing kit andsomeone said can you do this for
us?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
so we did that for them.
And then more and more peoplestarted approaching us can you
make us one of these, can youmake us one of those?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
and we thought well, that sounds so yeah and then we
started talking and going well,actually, you know, this is an
issue and we can solve that.
So we designed stuff and likeoh yeah, actually, yeah, we'll
sell this.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And the rest is history.
And the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, you wanted more torture instruments, didn't you
?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
for me?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's how it started , so how extensive is your?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
how many 3D printers do you have now?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
yes, we name them we don't name them, she names them.
I've named two yeah, you havenamed two.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've managed to name two.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, if it was up to me, I'd give them numbers, but
no give us the names.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, now you're saying the first one was Mel.
Mel and then Bob, the resinprinter's.
Bob, yeah, kevin, they're allMinions.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I was wondering how I can sort of guess.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And then we've got Melanie Tigger Eeyore.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Then we went into Disney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Piglet, two Piglets yeah.
We've got Deranged Piglet.
Yeah, we've got Deranged Pigletand Regular.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Piglet, We've got Rex Safa.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Toy Story Woody, Jessie, Buzz Buzz.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Grumpy Grandad.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, we don't talk about him, he's grumpy, in other
words, he just breaks downevery five minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Zomper Bambi, bambi and the other one, trixie there
you go, and then we've got Dracoand Bender yeah, so how many?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
is that in total 23.
23?
.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, but that's not including the resin printers.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's not including the two resin printers and I
take it you're not just runningthis off one extension lead.
Yeah, a short one.
Yeah, and we generally grilltoast over it 23,.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, right, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm starting to run out of names now.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, just do what we do, because I mean, we've now
got the new lathe and the oldlathe was called Ant because the
other one was called deck, andnow I think we're just on ant
two.
Do you spend all your time justrunning down the road of it?
Oh, stops, oh, I've got to runback to that one, or?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
that's my job the trick is to actually, when you
you put the models on the plate,you organize them with
different types of models sothey all finish at round about
the same time.
Yeah so you start all yourprints and then, four hours
later, you're clearing all yourbeds and starting your next
match.
Yeah so they know what takeswhat until you get the fastballs
that come in and I want thiscolor and that color, and then
you everything is out the window, and also having software that
(12:55):
you can control all of them yeah, we're using some print farm
management software now, whichmakes that a lot easier, a lot
less running up and down.
We can do a lot of things from acomputer and get feedback on
what print is going to finishnext and all that sort of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, we, everything wedo, we try and streamline things
because we've been trying thatfor 20 years.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It doesn't know, but you keep trying.
But as we've got busier andbusier, we've had to because
we're it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah you know, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
There's a limit to the woman power and me available
to go around.
I've got to say it that wayaround I'll get in trouble yeah,
it'll get jabbed by the fingeryeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
what do you consider your biggest challenges are?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
live streams.
Yeah, the weekly live streamsare hard work.
Yeah, I think you're nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I'm going to say again in public you're mad.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Our biggest challenge is keeping stock on the shelves
.
Yeah, because we've got so manythings now and printing is is a
relatively slow process.
Manage what's printing andwhat's on the shelf and what's
getting smooth is difficult, andwhen you get a wholesale order
comes in, that just throwseverything out the window this
sounds so familiar says you know, I want 157 items.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You're like oh god yeah, and then you still gotta
keep our stock.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, that's it, so it's keeping things on the
shelves, which is a problem thatyou might have as well yes, and
then we go and producesomething like I mean, initially
it was the rings.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The rings really really kill I wouldn't say kill,
I'm not gonna say killed us.
The rings turned out to beastronomically popular, much,
much more than we expected.
We were running overtime, wewere just desperately trying to
get everything up to date, totry and get the stuff out.
And then we went mad and wentoh, let's do some triples, which
(14:41):
were a completely new designfor us.
Well, a completely new designfor everyone.
And, yeah, it went a bit mad.
And even now, triples are instock for about three minutes
before they go back out the doorand we're still making more and
more and more.
It's, yeah, it's a lovelyposition to be in, but it
sometimes you're just like Ineed to have a break.
What have I done?
(15:02):
What have I done?
And, yeah, when, when I turnaround to the engineering team
and go, oh, by the way, I've gota new design, they're like you.
What?
Yeah, I'll give you six weeksto make these.
No, the problem I think thesedays also is people.
Everyone assumes that you'reamazon and everyone assumes that
you're just shipping everythingin from China.
(15:23):
So when you explain to peoplethat, no, we actually have to
make these and sometimes we runout of stock because I think
we've got 110 SKUs, so 110different items, and we're
manufacturing large numbers ofthose, and most of it we're
manufacturing in house.
So for instance, a triple, Ithink there's probably one, two,
(15:44):
three.
There's about eight differentbits, which probably 15
processes going through severaldifferent machines and several
different stages.
It's not just something you canclick a button and it appears.
And even with 3d printing,you've still got additional.
You've got post-processingafterwards.
It's a ballet.
It's a ballet.
And yeah, by the time you'redoing those today, but somebody
(16:05):
else wants those and yeah, we.
We have wholesalers and we havedistributors as well, which, if
you thought the wholesalerswere fun, the distributors are
even more fun.
They're buying numbers that youjust like oh, how am I gonna get
that out the door?
But we, we work our way throughit and we talk to customers and
we talk to our distributors andwholesalers and it's getting
(16:26):
better because we're we'reconstantly refining everything.
We're constantly buying newprocess.
Well, buy new machines just toknock off those few seconds of
of manufacturing time, becauseit then means we can make more
of them in a given amount oftime.
And it's yeah, it's neverending.
Starga.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, that's how we've ended up with 23.
It's painting the 67 bridge.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's lifetime warranty for the 2b account.
If you buy it from a differentstore, as long as you are the
original purchaser dutch guylifetime warranty counts.
So as long as you've got proofof purchase, yep, you have a
lifetime warranty on that.
I have had several pairs on my2b over the last four years.
It would be nice to know whatyou've replaced or repaired with
the letter that you sent backwith the 2B.
That's an interesting one,because it depends on what the
(17:13):
repairs are, and the problem wesometimes have is one it might
be completely meaningless.
So if I say that I've replacedTR6, what does TR6 mean to you
as a customer?
Yeah, it happens to be one ofthe drive transistors.
Sometimes we were replacingthings because they're broken.
Sometimes we're replacingthings because they might be
broken or they might be on theirway out.
(17:35):
Biggest problems of anyelectronics and this isn't just
two b's, it's probablyconnectors that's probably the
number one source of issues.
So if we have a unit that'scome back that needs a repair,
then we tend to replace certainthings.
So you might find that your boxhas had sockets replaced,
because that's the default thingthat we tend to replace.
It does depend on what theproblem is.
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Then we get into the the wholeissue with.
Actually we didn't find anyproblem, which sadly is
something that is quite common,because it might not necessarily
be the box, it might be thecables.
Cables only last three to sixmonths because there's something
that moves, it gets squished.
That can cause issues withoutputs.
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Also with the 2b, the.
The current 2b, which we woulddefine as being a 14d, has a
number of things that havechanged internally one to make
it easier for us to manufacture,because it's that element of
constantly trying to improvethings but also trying to make
it more robust.
And now, if you've got olderboxes, we actually have some
little extra bits that we'll putinto the box.
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If an older box has failed,we'll upgrade it effectively to
the latest spec.
We always test every single unit.
Firstly, we test every singleunit multiple times when it goes
out.
So we're testing at board level, we're testing, and during the
assembly process we then do afinal test.
Every single unit that leavese-stim systems is tested.
Unfortunately, they then gothrough this process of extra
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testing called the post officeor shipping, and they get thrown
around.
We see some of the packagesthat come out of this process
and things do break,unfortunately, and if they break
when they get to you, we willdo our best to solve that.
Sometimes they'll break duringuse because, let's face it,
electronics.
I've got three cameras in here.
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One of them has failed.
It's the nature of electronics.
We will always go through thesame test process so we'll get a
report back from the customer.
This is the customer has saidthis is what's wrong with it,
and I'll we'll discuss with thecustomer to see if it is
something that we need to repairor whether it's something that
needs to come back to us.
We test everything and we'lltest it as part of the process
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to build it.
We'll test it when it comesinto us as a repair.
We'll test it past the repairand then we do a final test
because hopefully then we get tosend it back out to you and you
are happy that you've receiveda repaired item and this is one
of the things we offer alifetime guarantee and that
genuinely means that for theexistence of this business, we
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will repair those items for you.
It would be pointless if we'rejust going to send it back and
go no, we didn't bother andunfortunately some people think
that's what we do, but it's likeno, we actually will sit down
with oscilloscopes, with powersupplies, and try and work out
what the problem is.
We had one gentleman whomanaged to drive over a box and
I still haven't worked out howhe actually did it.
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Gentleman who managed to driveover a box, and I still haven't
worked how he actually did it,but he was honest and said no, I
actually drove over the box,which was really really
entertaining.
But yeah, danny, post does nothave respect for mail.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
No, we've no no, we can agree with that.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We have that so many times.
Anyway, I'm going back to mylittle q.
A questions for joanne and Cody.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, yes.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
This is not supposed to be all about me.
This was sort of trying tobring in some interest.
That isn't just me sitting heregoing buy my product.
Yes, buy my new product.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So okay, things that we wouldn't necessarily know
about you.
So what secrets do you havethat people Tell me something we
don't know Did you?
So what secrets do you havethat people most think tell me
something we don't know did?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
you know this was coming how would I know this was
coming?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
no, my, my background was forces.
Before I came to this, I served23 and a half years from
leaving school, joined up, wentall around the world, did all
sorts of different things indifferent countries and
different actions.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Dragged me to a few of them.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Dragged you around the world as well with some of
them, and then retired, and thenit started getting kinky.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Very kinky.
It was fun.
Well, it was boring to beginwith.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It was very boring to begin with, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm concerned.
It only became kinky afterwards.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, no the kink came to the surface.
The kink was already there, asyou know, but yeah, and then we
got into doing reviewing andthis side of things, which is
chalk and cheese to what I'ddone for the previous 23 and a
half years, but it's a lot morefun, it's a lot more interesting
.
Yeah, definitely.
What about you?
On the end there, quiet one.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What me?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I actually went to college and was qualified as a
hairdresser and a beautytherapist, so it's like
completely opposite.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I'm sorted.
I was just thinking that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I need a haircut as well, I was with you.
So when I met Stunt Cocker,yeah, and we've only just untied
her Literally- you mean to sayyou leave her tied up?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
She enjoys it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
She loves it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So how long have you been going as a business?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
now Nine years, nine years, no, because you've been
with us eight yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So it must be at least nine, maybe 10 years.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
So what would you have done differently?
Invested in Bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
At the beginning I think yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'd probably agree with that one actually.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
The last ten years we've evolved in what we do and
how we do things and we've had ablast along the way.
It's been a lot of fun.
A lot of fun a lot of pullingyour hair out a lot of hard work
, a lot of hard work, butgenerally it's been more highs
than lows, so we've reallyreally enjoyed it and, yeah, I
think if we could do anythingdifferent, it was getting to
(23:04):
easter earlier and maybe keepingour mouths shut when we're not
quite ready to release a productyeah yeah, yeah, is that like a
certain company?
Three years and counting.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, and that's one thing that I think we decided
quite early on actually is wedon't say anything about new
stuff coming on.
Well, I'm going to be honest,we do to people that we trust,
but we generally don't, becausethat's part of our sort of
testing process as well, becausewe want feedback from people
who are not necessarily withinthe company or within the world
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of e-stim systems.
Say, for instance, we providedyou with something and you turn
around and go it's reallyrubbish.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I didn't think you were going to mention that one
yeah, let's not talk about thefailures.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
In fact, most of the failures that we've had as
products have never actuallyreached the market.
Fundamentally, if we don't likethem ourselves, then we're not
going to try and produce them.
But equally, we've sort ofprovided kit to our test team,
because we have like a hierarchy.
So we have ourselves, then wehave test team and then we have
sort of people that we know asfriends and when they go, yeah,
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yeah, really don't like that one, it's like right, where's get
me pen out, me pad, and itstarts scribbling again.
Come up with new ideas.
I mean, we, we look at whateveryone's doing and go, oh, I
could do that, but I could do itbetter.
Because that's the key here,that there's that element of
yeah, there are people out therewho will just copy stuff and
we've had at least two or threeelectrodes blatantly copied and
we we spoke to an individual inum the us who is selling one of
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that style of electro, shall wesay, and basically said it's a
blatant copy of our product, andthey then came out with a whole
new spiel of how they developedit and it's like, well, that
doesn't match the person whoactually developed the product,
what they were saying on discordyeah whatever, fine, yeah,
we'll remember this.
But uh, yeah, no, I mean, we'relooking at we're constantly
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looking at what we do and whatother people do and sort of go
actually, yeah, that's a greatidea, can we buy it and can we
sell it?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
going on on that topic.
The last two things that youhave come out with have been
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, the electro rings and the the triples both
the electro rings and thetriples have been around in
design for several years,because one of the things we
can't do is just con I thinkyou're finding it is you can't
constantly just bring out newstuff all the time, because
people like when you just boughtthe last thing and you've
brought something new and youhave to do that element of
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actually you've got to build thethings as well.
So, yeah, I think we've beenlucky touch wood, but it's also
the fact that we're talking topeople all the time.
So the rings, for instance,we've gone through, I think,
about at least three differentring designs which could have
appeared in the past, but wedidn't like them.
They just they didn't work forus.
So when you get to the stagewhere actually you're finding
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something that actually I'mbeginning to like this, it's
almost that case of if you'reproud of the product and you
feel genuinely that this is agood idea and I think that works
for most businesses if yougenuinely feel comfortable with
what you've done and go, yeah,that's the new product, then
yeah, you've probably got a goodproduct there.
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If you've genuinely sort ofworked your way through that
process, if you're just sittingthere going, oh well, I can make
a thousand of those and howmuch money are you going to make
off it?
That's probably not going toend up being a product that
actually really works unlessyou're really, really lucky.
We have seen businesses do thatand they continue to do that.
Personally, I only like to usethe 2bl mains power rather than
battery.
Have you considered arechargeable box?
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We have considered rechargeablebatteries for quite a while.
Several issues of rechargeablefirstly, shipping anything
through the post that's usingrechargeable these days, lithium
polymer, lithium ion batteriesis a nightmare because a lot of
the couriers just don't likethem.
It's an issue because suddenlythey turn around and go oh, by
the way, the postage is going tocost you an arm and a leg more.
(27:01):
You could ship them and nottell them, and then they ban you
, which is not a great idea Thenyou get caught.
I'm also concerned with thelongevity issues with them
because, again, we're producingboxes that we offer a lifetime
guarantee, but I can't guaranteethat battery is going to last
anywhere close to what I wouldlike it to last, unless we're
going to spend stupid amounts ofmoney on the batteries.
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And the biggest issue is thisrecharging element.
We play oh it's brilliant,getting there, closer, closer,
oh, it's gone flat.
Quick, quick, get the PP3,stick it in right, we can carry
on.
Otherwise you're going to be inthat situation where, oh yeah,
great, and now I've got to waittwo hours, three hours maybe for
it to recharge it just doesn'twork for us at the moment.
It is something we're looking atand there's some interesting
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new technologies floating around, there's some new ideas, but at
the moment it's not somethingwe do.
Do we have?
We have some registered designs, but the problem with any
product the menu firstly, if yougo into patents, then that gets
very, very expensive.
You, if you're going toregister designs, that's only
going to protect you in certainareas.
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So, realistically, if you'regoing to try and protect a
product, you're going to end upspending more money protecting
it than you would ever doselling it.
So you tend to come up, try andcome up with ideas that are
sufficiently good that peoplewant to buy it from you because
you actually designed it and youinvented it, as opposed to
going buying a cheap copy.
We all know that companies willsell cheap copies but, yeah,
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fundamentally they're just,they're copies and it's.
If you want to supportcompanies and you want the
products that you're buying tocontinue, then you need to be
supporting the companies thatare actually producing them, not
the companies that are copyingthem, and the 2B is not an ET312
and has never been a 312.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But it has two in the name.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
That's as close as it gets the number of people I
have conversations with.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
In fact, I'm going to do a video about why the 2B is
not a 312.
It's like he doesn't do thesame as a 312.
No, he doesn't, because it wasnever designed as a 312.
Yeah, we didn't copy the 312.
We never wanted to copy the 312.
We didn't copy the 312.
Advice for new businesses.
So if someone's coming into thefetish area and they've got
this wild business idea, whatwould your?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
advice be Research, research, research, research.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Get as much information.
Learn the market.
Try and find people that haveattempted something similar.
Did they succeed?
Did they fail?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Get to know your customer.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, that's the big thing Speak to not necessarily
your close family, because theymight paint succeed.
Did they fail?
Get to know your customer, yeah, yeah, that's the big thing.
Speak to not necessarily yourclose family, because they might
paint a rosy picture on thingsyeah but speak to some people
that are not exactly in yourclose family circle and get some
information from the feedback.
Yeah, because a lot of timepeople speak to friends and
family and oh, it's great, andthen you only end up selling
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them to friends and familybecause they feel sorry.
Yeah, yeah, but it is hard.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But research is a thing I must admit us trying to
sell our products to friends andfamily could certainly be an
interesting, especially withsome of my definitely
interesting conversation.
Okay, I'm gonna.
This is a double-ended questionas well, so the first question
is what's, what's your favoritepower box?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
the 2b, I'm supposed to say that is mine, yes it is I
love the 2b the pebble is mineyeah and I like the remote.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
The remote is fun okay, she generally be.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She's on the receiving end yeah, I like the
pebble as well okay.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So the double-ended question now is what's your
favorite box?
If you weren't allowed tochoose an e-stim systems box, if
I wasn't, allowed to choose outof every other box on the
market that you know about.
Right, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
just trying to think well, for me it would probably
be the axis, simply because ofthe features in it, although the
flicks the Flix are fun.
They're all right, but they'rea little bit basic.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
You like the Micro 312, don't you, I do.
Yeah yeah.
The Micro 312 is a nice compactbox.
We've got one of those, but forme it's still a 2B.
Can't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Is that checking the post?
That's still an East End system2b.
Can't tell me otherwise.
Is that checking the post?
Yeah, checking the post to them.
Yeah, I mean, we do have otherboxes, it's just we, we prefer
yours, I think we've got, Ithink, 13 boxes now.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We've reviewed for electrostim.
We've got the 312.
We've got the coyote 3 sat inthe box behind us we haven't
we've got the coyote 2.
Yeah, it's all right.
I wouldn't recommend it forbeginners.
It's a little bit complicated,but we tend to play with your
kit, um, because we just like it.
It does what it what we want itto do.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, it's just so easy to use yeah, and it's got
knobs and he loves the fact thatyou don't have rechargeable
batteries.
I had to use me special buttonsthere being close and having to
recharge your battery thatcheck is in the post, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
rechargeable is on the cards.
It is something we're lookingat.
I think it's a case of we needto find, because we don't just
do, oh, let's take a 2b andstick a rechargeable battery in
it.
It would be a case of let'screate something that is
different.
Let's create something thatworks.
So, if you want thatrechargeable aspect, what else
can we bring into that that isgoing to give you more?
(32:31):
I mean, you've got things likethe coyote, which have taken
certain ideas and run with them,and then you look at it and go
why did you do it that way,though?
I mean, this whole concept ofusing a mobile phone for control
is a great idea until youactually go and play with it and
you realize that I've just putmy thousand pound mobile phone
into a puddle of goo and I can'tget it to do anything now, and
(32:56):
she's screaming saying turn itdown, turn it down, and it's
like I'm trying but thetouchscreen is not working
anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You're dropping it because your hands are all lubed
up.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
When does the beta become standard?
Good question, it's on my list,actually, that's all.
I'm going to say at the momentwe are planning 2.128, which is
basically 2.127, with one minorchange.
Basically, we're flipping acouple of the maps over, which
is probably going to be sometimeI'm going to say possibly in
october.
But I'm not going to commit tothat, purely simply because I
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hate committing to time scales.
There's so many other thingsgoing on at the moment.
2.127 at the moment is the bestbeta we have.
It's unbelievably stable,actually it's, I think, on
virtually all of the boxes thatI'm playing with is using the
current beta.
I love it.
I wish I'd created the 2B withit, that beta, in the first
place, but like everything,things sort of evolve through
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that process.
Also with the 2b is there's atleast two or three new ideas
that I've come up with sincethat beta that I want to put
into later betas, but I haven'tsort of got round to it because
it's like I need to getsomething finished and at the
moment we've been playing aroundwith rings, triples and
possibly something else comingup soon which I'm not going to
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say anything about.
But we do have a show septemberwe are in europe going to euro
fame, which is another big tradeshow, and we do have a habit
when we go to trade shows ofpossibly coming up with new
ideas.
What's your favorite electrodes?
Oh no, I'm going to change that.
What's your favorite electrodesout of your own products?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
well, I'm going to start out of my or our own
products.
The new saddle is rather niceand the jet set willy yeah, we
can't really say the same forthat, can we?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
no, not really we don't have the right anatomy for
that yeah wrong equipment, Iwould say, oh, it's our shield.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's the pussy shield and the
mini shield or Olaf.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Or Olaf.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
In a special colour scheme.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Because he does look like a certain snowman.
Is that okay?
I?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
actually have one that looks like Olaf.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah we printed a special one off just so A plate
with a little red nose yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Orange.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm just trying to work out what an electrode
called Olaf looks like.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I'm quite concerned about that aspect.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But you will.
You'll see it, you go oh yeah,yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So do you have anything on the cards planned
for?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
we, we've got lots of things in the pipeline, um yeah
that's the problem.
We've got too many things in thepipeline that is the problem
it's narrowing it down to whatwe're going to do next when
you're a little company andyou've only got a little bit of
spare time and a little bit ofspare funds, it's trying to
nudge things in the rightdirection can be quite difficult
.
So we have two or three designsin the pipeline, nothing that's
(35:46):
ready to really show off yet,but we've always got things on
the back burner simmering away.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, sounds like us.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It's hard to bring things to market.
It takes so long.
I mean for us 3d printing kitit's.
It's quite a quick turnaroundtime in each iteration of a
design, so we'll print it andwe'll go.
Yeah, that needs tweaking, yeaha few hours later you've got
the next one.
But now we're starting to dostainless steel kit that we're
having made externally.
Yeah, the timeline, just yeah,grows exponentially as well as
the cost and the cost goes up,yeah we do.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
We sometimes do 3d printing to get an idea of
sizing, but actually for us,because we've got the cnc
machines in the workshop, it'smost of the time it's actually
quicker to run it through thecnc machine, apart from
sometimes the setups take a bitlonger.
The latest item that I've beenplaying around with, I think,
took me something like 24 hoursto print, when it doesn't take
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24 hours to put through cncmachines, because it's just it's
quicker but the setup time'shigher, so I can't just put a sd
card in and press the button.
I've actually got to make surewe've got the right tooling, the
right setups, configure all thetooling, then run it as a test,
run it as a.
We do what we effectively.
We run it simulation, thenwe'll run it on the machine in
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simulation, then we'll run it inthe air, so we'll run it away
from anything that's going toget cut and then just go through
that process.
So rather than sort of 24 hours, it probably takes three or
four, and you've then gotsomebody that is like, yeah, no,
this is wrong takes three orfour, and you've then got
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somebody that's like, yeah, no,it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I need to change that and let's go back to the model
and change the things again.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Roy, thanks, now got a mental image of stunt cock
singing, let it snow andstimming.
Yeah, I tend to change thewords to let it blow.
Well, that's it.
Yeah, you do not want to hearme singing no, you don't it
certainly puts new ideas into um.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Stereo stimming definitely.
What else do I have on mylittle list?
Because the time is, time isticking and we've we've still
got seven people out there whoare mad enough to actually watch
us talking about life, theuniverse and everything.
So what?
What would your advice be tonew Easton users?
Buy everything from us.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Do your research, do your homework, yeah, and take it
slow, take it steady.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Don't complicate things, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And make sure you've got plenty of lube and check
your equipment.
Yes, and ask lots of questionsif you need to.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
You see a lot of posts on Reddit and Discord
people that are new.
He said Reddit.
You see a lot of posts onReddit and Discord people that
are new.
He said Reddit.
Three days and four channelboxes and all the rest of it.
Start with one channel and startwith some very simple
electrodes and experiment withthose and learn how to interpret
your body's reaction to it,because we all interpret it
differently and there can be aneducation phase where you've got
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to train your brain tounderstand these new sensations
and if you're using two channelsor four electrodes, you're
making it really difficult foryourself.
Yeah, I, I completely agree Imean keep a diary as well.
Keep, just write some littlenotes.
Yeah, I'm using two pads inthis location on this program.
Tick or cross, and then you'redoing it three weeks later.
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You're not going to repeat thesame mistakes and you can use
that to zone in on what worksfor you.
And once you've found that thathappy spot, then start to.
You know, use multipleelectrodes and two channels,
four boxes and all the rest ofit.
But start simple.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, keep it simple that and don't be put off if
someone says, well, it works forme doing this, yeah, if it
doesn't work, that is so true,having done this for for well,
having sold the kit and designedthe kit for the last 20 years
and played with it for probably30, plus the number of people
who seem to get disheartenedbecause they don't get exactly
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the same or they don't appear toget the same stimulation that
somebody else does, and that'sbefore they start to look at
various youtube videos or notyoutube videos, only fans, etc.
Where they they see someonewho's almost got I've got an
electrode this big and they'rehaving 15 orgasms, one after
another and it's like one yeahthat probably isn't actually
occurring, but people need toexperiment and need to realize
(39:51):
that this is a completely newsensation.
I mean, this is not a vibrator.
It's going to be differentdepending on who you are, how
you're using the electrodes,where you're using electrodes.
How much have you had to drinktoday?
and that's not alcohol drink,that's just hydration what mood
you're in life is different allthe time and e-stim is exactly
the same, and that's why it's sowonderful, because you never
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know what you're going to getyou.
Hopefully you know what you'regoing to get.
You want to get that, thatclimax at the end.
For me personally, a lot of itis the journey, it's not the.
The end bit is the end.
It's like that's it yeah, I wasgonna say exactly the same focus
on the journey, not thedestination yeah, and realize
that what you find works for youis going to be different to
(40:33):
somebody else, and that is socritical.
That's the key, that's the keyyeah, it is.
I mean, I'm reading some of thecomments that people have made
and they're brilliant comments.
It's don't buy everything, yousee.
This is david roberts.
Don't buy everything, you see.
Just start with a fewelectrodes, danny.
Every time is different and Icompletely agree it is.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, I'd love to say to someone Buzz, buzz.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I need to have buzz buzz in my little box of tricks
here.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You've got to be in that buzz, buzz.
We've got whoop, whoop yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Registered Registered yeah, I've got my pen writing
how I do it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
We're all going to have competitions as to who's
got the best buzz, buzz, yeah.
But yeah, I would love peoplecome to us and say, well, what
should I buy, what should Istart with?
And I'd love to say, well, youcould buy all of these, yeah,
yeah, and buy a 2b.
And the answer is no.
(41:26):
Firstly, have you ever actuallytried to play with eastin
before?
And if they've never triedeastin, the answer is either
look at something like a helixor if you're sort of humming and
hiring, then go and buyyourself a cheap tens unit from
boots or tesco's or somewherelike 30 quid.
It's not going to be as good asa helix or a pebble or an axis
or whatever, but it's going togive you some idea as to whether
you like that initial sensation, because we have had people and
(41:46):
we all know people.
The minute you say it'selectrical, it's electricity,
they're like oh that's it.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I can't touch that.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm not going near it and they've.
You can try educating them asto.
Actually it's not as painful,it's a sensation.
But some people just like, no,don't like it, and I respect
that and I'm quite happy to havepeople say that to me.
I'd much rather someone say no,just don't like it, because I
want people to be happy.
I'm in the business of makingpeople happy, or at least trying
(42:11):
to, because if I've got happycustomers, my life is so much
easier, so much, much more funchatting to people about what
we've done well than listeningto people telling us how rubbish
we are and how much we'vecocked up.
I'm really sorry, okay, butunfortunately I don't control
how the ups driver put the boxthrough your window or something
like that.
Kren, buy cheap, buy twice.
(42:33):
Learn the difference betweenoverpriced and well engineered
and supported and made in thirdworld sweatshirt to minimum
specs.
Yep, I completely agree with.
Most of the industry does seemto manufacture in the far east,
which is understandable to acertain extent because it's
cheap, but you lose control overit.
That's something that appliesto all the fetishists and
marketplace, even carpet rollerswrapped in black tape.
Yeah, yep, seen that, I thinkfor us.
I think it was canes, whenpeople they would buy canes from
(42:57):
the local garden shop and stickthem on their stand at Lamb or
BBB or somewhere.
They'd be like £30 for a cane,it's like you haven't even
steamed the end over, so it'snot even a crook handle it's
just a cane and you pick it upand go.
It's still got the B&Q price onit.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
You run a beans.
Q price on it?
You're running beans.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, it's like there's no quality there, and
then you come across somecompanies that the wood has been
aged over the last 25 years.
It's like this thing isgenuinely good and that's where
we got into the whole industry.
I mean, we were bdsm players,for want of a better word.
Before we did eastim.
We had a private life, whichthen, semi, became public,
because it was what we did,because we used to turn up to
(43:35):
events and parties and thingslike that, because that's how we
played and it was fun.
In fact, that was the biggestproblem actually.
We started eSIM systems andyou'd find yourself over a
spanking bench, enjoyingyourself, zoning out in subspace
, and then somebody would belike, can I place an order?
And it's like no go away.
(44:00):
And that happened a few timesand, yeah, my wife got run.
Oh, she was my girlfriend atthe time, she's my kaz, is my
wife now, my lovely darling wifewho's hiding over there.
And yeah, it was quiteirritating, was like, but can I
just finish the, the spankingsession or whatever was going on
and deal with your ordertomorrow, please.
But yeah, people forget thatthat's how a lot of us started
and this is effectively our life.
(44:21):
This allows us to do what we donow.
So it's wonderful the fact thatwe've got so many companies
like yourselves and I'd say,like us as well but yeah, I've
been doing it for a while but tohave new companies coming along
who seem to have the same ethosof trying to create things that
are good at a reasonable priceand then back it up with with
(44:44):
decent service and advice Ithink that's where the future
lies.
We're all seeing the amazons ofthis world and everything's
going ai and you can now createai porn and all that, but at the
end of the day, you're stillnot going to be beat someone
who's actually created somethingthat is designed to do what it
does well and give you thatextra element of the service and
(45:06):
the advice well let's just sayit works for us, and I think it
certainly works for you.
It's working for us, yeah, but Iwould like to say how much one
I've enjoyed this today, becausethis has been fantastic and
I've actually got an hour livestream without actually having
to do any work apart from justtalk.
It's brilliant.
I actually look at what you'redoing and think it's fantastic.
Yeah, I am going to steal allyour your good ideas.
(45:28):
I'm not going to steal yourproduct ideas.
Product ideas always give usother ideas, so it's that sort
of constant.
Oh, that's a good idea.
But yeah, I love what you guysdo, so please keep doing it.
Do more of it I mean, where doyou see yourself in five years
time?
This is an interview question.
I used to ask people who werejoining the company well,
hopefully in a much biggerworkspace bigger workspace.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
To the moment, we're in two areas, we've got two
separate buildings and thatcreates logistical problems so
consolidating that into one,being more efficient and being
able to have a little bit ofmore time off, because we we're
basically, we run flat out allthe time.
But that's, that's one of thethings.
When you're a small company, alittle family business, you've
got to grow slowly and thenhopefully things will work out
(46:11):
and blossom out in the futureand, but, more importantly, in
five years we hope to still behere yeah yeah I think that and
more of your products yeah, I'mnot going to complain about that
one and no doubt we'll have alot more printers oh
Speaker 1 (46:27):
yeah yeah because it's not one of those things
that sort of you buy just youcan buy bigger ones and they
work faster.
You just sort of you stillphysically got to print one item
at a time.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
You need to scale the number of machines really.
I mean, there are fastermachines on the market, but
faster machines need moremaintenance.
They tend to wear out quicker.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
So it's a trade-off with you.
Know you look at the same withthe CNC machines.
You know you've got to look atall the factors before you hit
the bottom.
But yeah, the big thing with usis just to keep the community
happy, keep coming out with goodkit and keep enjoying ourselves
, because life's for living.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I completely agree and hopefully the community out
there agrees.
Let's face it without thecommunity, we wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Absolutely.
The community might say life'sfor stimming.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Life is for stimming.
Yeah, life is for stimming.
Yeah for stimming.
Life is for stimming.
Yeah, life is for stimming.
Yeah, I like that as a logo.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think new t-shirts coming life is we need to do
t-shirts.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I have sex with electrons yeah again, we've got
badges.
We need to do something likethat.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You two will love that I have sex with electrons
we'll definitely be put in thenaughty corner for that one.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
It has been fantastic .
I've loved doing this livestream, so I'd like to thank you
all for putting up with me anddoing this after you.
You managed to do one yesterdayas well.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
So from our perspective, it's been an honor
to be the first guest.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
In fact, be the first guest on any podcast ever.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
We've never done this before, so for us it's been a
big learning process and anhonor.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yes, it is 2032 stunt carcass, now an army of
robot arms controlling.
Yeah, thank, thank you for allour regulars for turning up for
this as well, you are you'reanything but entertaining and we
didn't need any any popcorn onthis one.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Mike p374 says how often do you do a live stream?
Well, we, as in e-sim systems,we do a live stream now on the
last sunday of the month.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
However, joan, her team, do a live stream every
week on a saturday at saturdayfive bst yeah roughly five if
you're there for five o'clockand you've got a cup of coffee,
then by the time you've Saturdayat five BST.
Yeah, Roughly five Roughly five, yeah, five-ish.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
If you're there for five o'clock and you've got a
cup of coffee, then by the timeyou've drunk half of it, it'll
be started.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
We have a blast doing it.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
It's hard work, but a lot of fun it is, and this has
been a lot of fun and thank youfor putting up with me and yeah,
thank you for being the firstguest guests and yeah, we were a
little bit sneaky because, like, let's choose someone who we
know they they can talk for anhour about e-stim.
It's when I start asking themore interesting guests.
Do you think andy from electrostimmer come on?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
oh yeah, that would be interesting.
That would be, that could be aninteresting one.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
If anyone else is out there who would like to talk
about their experiences ofe-stim.
If you're just a user, youdon't have to be a manufacturer
then drop us a pm or an email orsomething.
I'll talk to anyone, because Ithink this is the more
interesting side of doing livestreams, rather than just me
trying to sell you something andtell you how wonderful this
next incantation of the two beesbeta is.
I do that anyway during thenormal videos on the channel,
(49:28):
but the live streams they'relive.
It gets more interesting.
So anyway, I'd like to thank you.
I'd certainly like to thankjoanne and her team for being
here tonight the crew, the crewand I thank you everyone who's
watched.
Posted competition keeps you onyour toes.
Yes, david, it certainly does,and it's fun.
But anyway, thank you everyone.
(49:49):
Thanks for being here, thanksfor watching, and I'll see you
on the next one, which should beI think it's what's?
The day last?
Anyway, it's the last sunday ofseptember, and see you there.
Bye.
The stream has now ended thatwas fun that's all folks.
(50:15):
Hopefully you enjoyed it.
If you did, please considerleaving a review.
If you didn't, then pleaseconsider leaving a review and at
least give us some feedback asto see what we can improve for
the later.
But whatever you do, pleaseenjoy yourself and have fun.
This is wayne from east simsystems stroke I make sex toys.
Thanks for listening.
Goodbye.
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