December 3, 2024 • 32 mins
Join us as we welcome Shaun from Leather Delights, a family-run business with a passion for high-quality bondage gear.
From their roots with Andy, the legendary Kinky Cobbler, starting back in 2002, Leather Delights grew into a beloved name in the BDSM community.
We discover the importance of events like the Birmingham Bazaar Bazaar and the London Alternative Market, where Leather Delights offers customers the chance to feel and appreciate the tactile quality of their products as well as sharing some heartwarming customer stories that sparked new product designs.
The journey of expanding Leather Delights' online presence while nurturing community connections through market events is filled with highs and lows, and Shaun shares some intriguing insights.
Ethical considerations in the world of BDSM are paramount, and we dive into the responsibilities of manufacturers and sellers ensuring product safety. We discuss the dangers of using potentially harmful objects and the importance of consent and control. Personal anecdotes illustrate the significance of ethics and safety, while we explore the innovation behind Leather Delights’ product development, from their humble beginnings to the playful experimentation that shaped restraint products.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone.
It's Wayne here fromiMakeSexToys and we're in the
eSteam studio and I have a guesttoday.
For change, I've actuallymanaged to cajole someone to
come in and talk to me, so I'mnot in here on my own.
I have here Sean from LeatherDelights.
Sean, would you like tointroduce yourself?
I think you've just done it forme.
So yeah, my name's Sean fromLeather Delights.
(00:20):
I've kind of been makingbondage gear for what?
13 years now, and the businesshas been going since 2002.
It's not too bad 13 years anddoing bondage gear, and he's
just about managed to untiehimself.
But we first met sean.
In fact, he would have firstmet sean's dad at, uh, a place
called bbb, which is thebirmingham bazaar bazaar, which,
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if any of you are not in the UK, bbb is an event held in a city
called Birmingham, in themiddle of the UK, and it's quite
well known in the UK.
It's a fetish fair, which iswhy it's called Birmingham
Bazaar Bazaar, because it's inthe UK.
And Sean's dad, andy, was knownas the Kinky Cobbler because,
(01:02):
guess what?
He was a cobbler and he didkinky stuff.
And that's how we first met.
And do you want to carry on thestory?
Oh yeah, so dad started thebusiness back in 2002 at the bbb
.
He's where he first traded um,in fact, this month october, but
I'm going to scan out, butoctober is our birthday month
and then, sadly, he passed away2011, at which point me and my
mom carried on the businesswithout my nan.
(01:24):
So since then, it's been a realfamily business skull for
strength.
It's true.
It's just gone from there halfthe accident, really.
So how, how many bbb's have youmissed?
Uh, so the business?
In total, we've missed two, andone of them was two in two in
22 years.
Yeah, two in 22 years.
Yeah, we've done in 22 years.
Yeah, we've done a lot.
I think we counted about 250,216 total we've done.
(01:48):
And you do other events as well,don't you?
Yeah, so we do the LAM, whichis London Alternative Market.
That's held, obviously, inLondon each month.
So we've done all but two ofthem as well, and they've been
going since 2004.
So, yeah, we 2004.
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So, yeah, we've done 200, allof those done.
It's got to be 250 eventsmyself since I started helping
in.
Well, I started helping in 2007, just by carrying boxes
upstairs for dad and then doingeverything really since 2001
everything, yeah.
So why do you do the events?
I mean, what do you find aboutevents is the key for you as a
business.
So for us, the key is beingable to talk to people face to
face, and bdsm is very tactile.
(02:30):
People want to pick up and fillitems before they purchase them
.
So it gives people theopportunity to pick up our
paddles.
See all the different textureswe've got.
So there's more than justleather.
We've got some rubbers, we'vegot some furs, and then, with
collars, example, you can trythem, see what size you want.
So they're all made to measure.
Likewise, with cuffs, we alsodo some made-to-measure
harnesses.
So it's just an opportunity toget people to come try stuff on
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and, you know, get a feel forwhat you're buying, rather than
just buying blindly off theinternet and hoping it fits.
You still have a web throughthe web, absolutely yeah.
So you can buy from our websiteas well, and everything comes
with a lifetime guarantee.
So, like yourselves, lifetimeguarantee.
I wonder where that idea camefrom, but yeah, so if you ever
break anything you buy from us,we'll repair or replace it,
depending on, obviously, whatneeds to be done.
(03:13):
But we are probably going toask you how you broke it, partly
because we want to know.
We normally need some me aninteresting story.
Oh, an interesting story.
It is here to protect theinnocent.
Of course, crikey, I wasn'texpecting this one.
No, I wasn't.
I'm trying to think what to sayfor YouTube.
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Oh, for YouTube.
So it was probably one of theguys that purchased a chest
harness office.
He just kept breaking it and wejust couldn't figure out why.
And we found out he was tryingto do some self-suspension off a
rope frame.
It's never a good idea, in myopinion.
Essentially, what happened wasthe D-ring kept pulling off the
front and that essentially ledto his changing the design.
So the design put the D-ringbehind the lever rather than
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just kind of clicked on thefront so it couldn't sit.
Now, if you're going to do thesame kind of task, instead of
pulling off and the rivets popin, you've got to rip through
the lever, which is so you canuse it for suspensions.
Yeah, I mean, I'd advise not to.
They're not necessarilydesigned for suspension.
So you do harnesses, yep.
You do pedals.
You do collars.
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What else do you do?
Probably in the majority, butwe also do some floggers.
We've got nipple clamps, we doa few belts.
That means spikes down highspikes.
Lots of spikes Obviously leadsto go with the collars.
We've got some cock cages andblindfolds.
Those are actually quiteextensive.
Pretty much anything you'dassociate with bondage and
leather is.
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Some people may.
Like I said, we make it to sizeas well.
So is it just leather you workin or do you work in other
materials?
So primarily leather.
Obviously, the kinky cobblerprobably gives away.
Our background is in the shoerepair industry, so a lot of the
rubbers we've sourced fromthere White and impactful.
Without intending to, I thinkit means they hurt.
Yeah, they hurt like hell.
And obviously all the rubbershave got different textures on
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them, which gives it's acompletely different sensation
based on the texture.
And then we often pair themlike a rabbit fur on the reverse
, so you'll get a paddle that'snice and stingy on one side and
then nice and soft and sensualon the other.
So essentially you're gettingtwo for one in a single paddle.
You mentioned fur.
Yes, now fur for a lot ofpeople is quite controversial.
Yes, because they like the factthat we're using animal skins.
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I mean, I think leather isprobably quite controversial,
but from a fur perspective,what's your thoughts about using
fur?
We put a lot of kind of workingbehind the scenes to work out
where our materials are comingfrom.
So we speak to a lot ofsuppliers to check their sources
.
All of our leather and fur comesas a byproduct to the meat
industry.
So we don't buy anything thatis killed for the purpose of
selling the fur lookalike I meancoats and something like that.
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It's something we would staywell away from.
So the rabbit fur comes as aby-product to the meat industry.
We do it in nice differentcolours as well.
To which Don't?
They say this when I haven'tseen the pink rabbit?
Yeah, well, they don't like tofail on this either.
See the pink rabbi runningacross?
Yeah, but obviously people likethe colours, so we offer a wide
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range of colours as well.
Rabbit fur is probably the mostcontroversial because people
have it as pets.
Don't worry, no, bunnies werehurt, we were eating them
instead.
Yeah, so I totally understandthat, and each to their own
really.
Likewise with leather, it allcomes as a by-product to the
meat industry and it's allsourced from UK suppliers and we
can kind of trace that to whereit came from.
Are you considering sort ofgoing into the markets of things
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like aviga leather and leathersubstitutes, because we know
there are people out there whohave issues with leather.
Yes, so we've looked and wekeep looking.
There's a few out there.
We've tried cork leatherrecently.
Actually Wasn't a massive fanof it it didn't I don't know.
It just didn't quite feel right, didn't feel like it was going
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to last up to any kind ofpunishment, so we kind of
scrapped that off pretty quickly.
We've tried a few over theyears and just never felt like
it would be light.
Yet Doesn't mean it won't inthe future.
And now we're putting the shipinto it.
It's something that I mean thewhole concept of recycling and
ethical sourcing.
I mean we've had issues withrecycling.
(07:08):
I mean we've gone from usingplastic tubing which was virgin,
for want of a better word torecycled and recyclable tubing
for our electrode cases.
Even that was quite difficultto find something that actually
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was consistent all the time,didn't smell like strange bin
liners because a lot of recycledplastic smells like bin liners
and actually lasted a reasonableamount of time.
Because we don't want ourtubing to degrade because it's
used to protect our electrodes,but equally we want it to be
environmentally friendly so wecan chuck it into the recycling
and it be recycled.
Then, of course, we use largequantities of aluminium, which
is a very recyclable material,even more so than Coke cans.
(07:53):
I mean solid aluminium likethese.
Our recyclers are sitting theregoing.
Please send us the offcuts.
We're recyclers and we'll giveyou money for them, which is
really quite nice.
What do you see as your futurein terms of things that are
changing?
I mean, we're seeing themarkets have changed.
We no longer do the markets.
We started off doing themarkets.
We did BDB, we did LAM, lff,etc.
(08:15):
And we just got to the stagewhere we were so busy doing
normal orders, normal production, that we couldn't do the
markets because it took up aSunday, and that was before
things like social media camealong.
So do you see any major changescoming up in terms of how you
operate at the moment?
How you operate at the moment?
(08:36):
So, yes and no.
I think increasing our onlinepresence is key for us.
That's definitely an area wecan expand.
There's, as you say, there's amarket scheme from around the UK
, so you've got BBB and Lamb,but there's also plenty of rules
now popular around the country.
That is kind of becoming alittle bit congested, where
there's almost too many eventsto sustain people and they're
kind of spreading what is, Iwouldn't say, becoming a little
bit congested, where there'salmost too many events to
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sustain people, and we're kindof spreading what is, I won't
say a small charity, but asmallish community.
We're kind of spreading that abit too thinly around the
country.
Perhaps I think also we foundbecause we did a few markets
dotted around we did bristol andwe did a market which actually
is the infamous market for us,because it's the only market we
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ever did at the time where wedidn't sell anything at all
because there were six peopleturned up.
I remember we did an event inCardiff and we sold one item all
day and there was probably onlya dozen people.
Yeah, this particular event I'mnot going to name the, it was a
coastal town in Kent, I'm notgoing to name it.
It was a coastal town in kent,I'm not going to say exactly
which one.
Basically, for quite a fewyears this was the only event
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we'd never sold anything out andliterally six people turned up.
It was the organizer and hisfriends and it was like, okay,
fine, that that's the luck ofthe draw.
That's what happens when yourun a bit in the business and
then actually was it a bbb?
A couple came up to us and saidwe saw you at this event and
we've come to buy a box.
And it was like, oh no, andthat means we no longer have an
(10:00):
event in which we haven't soldanything Because technically
they saw us at the event and nowthey're coming to buy it from
us.
Now it was like we've neverdone an event where we haven't
sold anything at all.
But we did a few events dottedaround.
We did Brighton Pride, cardiffPride, we experimented and we
love doing events because youget to talk to people.
The problem is a lot of thetime it's the logistics.
(10:23):
We're based in Watford, you'rebased in the middle of Tamworth,
the middle bit, the middle bit,and, yeah, sometimes the four
or five to get to somewhere andthen you've got to unload, set
up for the event, do the eventand do the whole thing.
Bang, it's a slice.
So yeah, I mean London for us.
We get up about 6 o'clock in themorning to get there for about
8, half 8, doors open at 12,then cruise about 6, and then by
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the time we've gone home.
It's you know.
I mean hopefully.
Have you got some pictures ofyour stand?
Yes, I shall put some picturesof the stand in the podcast and
if this is the audio podcastthen you need to go and look at
the video version to see thepictures.
But we'll try and put somepictures of your stand.
But your stand isn't quitecompact.
It's a proper stand with lotsof things on.
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Yeah, probably takes a fewhours to put together.
It does so between me and mymum.
It takes us anywhere betweentwo and three hours to set up.
Depends on how many sets ofstairs we've got to do up.
Note for the event organiserscould we possibly have lifts
that work and not a lot ofstairs and things?
You know, next time you build avenue, no stairs, be brilliant
with all of that box with varroas a van and we fill, stop
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nothing to you good idea stuff.
It's demo organised and juststuff.
In England we've got plenty ofboxes.
Yeah, so it's.
I can remember our times ofdoing events and yeah, it was.
I don't think we ever got to avan level.
We had a big car.
Yeah, doing events was quite asqueeze sometimes to get things
in and then you forget thetrolley and people would be like
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have you got a trolley?
He's like the trolley.
Who's brought the trolley.
But yeah, we enjoyed doing theevents.
It just got to the stage wherewe couldn't logistically do them
.
What's your favourite events?
Oh, I'm going to call you a ficon record, can't I?
So officially you should say Ilike all the events.
(12:14):
Yes, I was caught up with apolitician's answer.
So I think each event we do.
Bbb has been around for 20 oddyears.
Bbb has been around before us,yeah, so BBB's got a nice venue,
nightingale's in the centre ofBirmingham.
It's a spreader of three floors.
It's quite well established.
Now you've got quite a goodlocal scene that you can attend
on a regular basis.
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So that's quite nice.
It's nice and open and, youknow, very welcoming the scene,
very friendly there.
Lamb is probably another market.
At the moment it's in acocktail bar just outside Covent
Garden because it used to bethe bank at one point, didn't it
?
Yeah, so it was Revolutions inLondon also, just, and we, when
we used to do it, when we usedto do it, it was in South of the
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River.
Yeah, in an old theatre, yeah,but yeah, the fact that they get
established venues means thatyou get that element of it.
It's more consistent.
Yeah, as soon as you get anevent where they've been kicked
out.
The management don't likewhat's happening.
Yeah, so with events in thepast, yeah, bbb's been at
Nightingale since it started, so20 odd years and it's been
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through a couple of renovationsas well.
It has.
Yes, can't use the stagebecause we're painting it.
Remember that year?
Yeah, not always to the better.
They blacked out the windowsone year, which wasn't great for
a market, but, you know,probably pretty good for a night
job.
Yeah, lamb has recently changedvenue.
After nearly a decade it's lastvenue.
So I'd say lamb is probably agreat experience, a great day
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out where you can go and sitwith friends and have a nice
meal.
Do they still have the afterparties?
And they yep.
So both of them have got anafter party and they start about
an hour or so after the marketcloses, so it gives you time to
go out and get food and getchanged.
You know, take you stayingnearby and I don't know what
time they finish.
It's been a long time sinceI've seen them.
Yeah, as a vendor, it's that Ijust want to go home.
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Yeah, I don't want to go andplay now.
Get some food and put your feetto the ground We've had in the
past.
We've invited to events and wehave done events which have been
play events, and they're like,oh yeah, you can come and sell
some things and then you canplay.
And it's like it's reallydifficult to mix the two because
one minute you're thinkingabout okay, do you take a credit
card?
Yeah, I'll take a credit card.
Where's the signal?
That's always the classic oneat an event, and then it's like
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I'd love to be spent over thatspanking bench or hanging off
that cross, but and thensometimes I'm like I've just
bought this off.
You Can I?
Just I don't know if one ofthese for a gag is like I can't
answer any questions.
I can't say anything.
Sorry, what's the weirdestrequest you've ever had?
Oh, weirdest request, I don'tknow.
Actually, I don't reallyconsider any of the requests.
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We can't.
Okay, what's the most extremerequest?
Possibly one that you've had togo back and go.
Are you sure?
You probably start to get tothe realms of some of the
spanking equipment and some ofthe puddles.
I say this going.
He's going to mention spikes.
I am going to mention spikes.
It's a really bad idea to putspikes on a puddle knowing I've
got spikes at home ready to puton a puddle of this weed.
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We have a standing joke aboutspikes.
Spikes are something that cropsup in a lot of conversations.
Just taste spikes.
We've had people ask for allsorts on puddles.
Where you look at it and go,that would cause some serious
hell on my end.
Don't think that's wise at all.
So you're looking and yeah, no,I'm not sure we want to touch
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that.
Yes, I think I mean we.
We've had some interesting umethical issues, shall we say we,
we had a, a customer who onceum said that they they wanted to
use one of our boxes onsomebody's ears in order to
create, as they put it, abrainstorm, and we were like
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that really, really doesn'tsound safe.
In fact, it sounds so unsafe.
The answer's no, I'm not goingto sell you that, but you won't
know what I'm using it for.
Well, the thing is, you've justtold us what you want to use it
for.
We're not comfortable with theidea of you using it for that.
We would rather not sell it toyou.
Yeah, you can go and buy it offthe web, but we wouldn't know.
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But really uncomfortable withthe idea of using an item in in
such a way that couldpotentially cause serious damage
in our industry.
Um, shock collars is one thatcrops up from time to time.
Shock collars are a bad idea.
I don't care who says oh, it'sa good idea.
I've been using it on my subfor the last 25 years.
You shouldn't bear in mind theiris pca in the uk are attempted
to ban shock collars on the useof animals, and the shock
collar that's designed for ananimal is designed for an animal
that has a big lump of fur andskin here to take up some of
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that shot and you're then goingto put it on a human being.
He's got really thin.
That is the skin around here,two massive sets of nerves
around here and you're going togive them quite strong electric
shocks.
And you wonder why we thinkthat might be dangerous.
Mmm said yeah, we don'trecommend shock collars.
It's one of our pet hates.
Yeah, you do have people outthere who will take things to
extremes.
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I've seen people saying thatthey're going to use barbed wire
for whipping or barbed wire fortying someone up.
Doesn't feel right to even havethat discussion with them
because it's just so unsafe.
And yeah, if you're usingimpact instruments of any
description, I know that a skullruler can cause a serious
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amount of pain.
It's a piece of wood this long.
What happens when you get a bigbatch of some description?
And we've seen people sellingthick aluminium bats.
I've seen the barbed wire basedon butts as well, people
selling them.
Just yeah, I'm sure I want tosell that.
Some of the toys we sell aredesigned to hurt.
But two kinds of pain you wantif there's like the pain you
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want from an impact toy.
And then there's the ouch.
This is really sharp.
It's just cut me, get away.
I really didn't.
I think the difference is it'sdown to control, yeah, and it's
down to having a dom who has theability to control themselves
and control the instrument.
So let's face it, you've gotcutting tools that you use to
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cut for leather, which are verycapable of chopping fingers off,
oh yes.
But you, as an experiencedartisan, know how to use those
tools in the correct manner, andthat's the key with impact
instruments.
It's the key with easton.
Once you know how to use thingsand know how to use things in
the correct manner, they can gofrom something that's massively
enjoyable and for other people,pain can be enjoyed, um, but the
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difference is it's consentingand it's control and it's
pitched to that level that, okay, it might take you to your
limit, but that's your limit,and it might tickle a little bit
further.
But for a lot of us who havethose experiences, that's what
you want.
But it's still, it's undercontrol and it's with consent.
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It's not just a oh yeah, here'sa cane, bang, bang, bang.
And we, unfortunately, withinthe industry and within the
fetish environment, you do seepeople that think that using a
cane or a paddle is literallyjust pick it up and hit someone
with it.
They have no idea where to hitor how to hit or how to use that
in a central way that theirsubject gets that level of
feeling and sensation they'reafter, rather than just I've
just been beaten up with a bigstick of wood.
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It's nice to know that thereare people out there who are not
just making the stuff to sellor look, I made it, you buy it.
They're out in the story.
But there's some ethics behind.
What are you going to use it for?
How are you going to use itwithout having that element of
the nanny state?
Let's face it, the nanny statewas around.
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We'd never be making anythingthat hurt anyone.
Oh, that's bad, but this comesfrom the 50s, when we all beat
the children with the canes.
Never did me any harm.
So I'm told the personal, thepersonal.
So we're going to get allpersonal now.
Now, one of the things that wepride ourselves on in eSIM
systems is all the sales teamand in fact a lot of the staff
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use our kit.
So I'm going to be personal.
Do you actually use any of yourkit yourself?
So I hope my mum's not watchingnow, but, sorry, my earlies.
So yeah, over the years,obviously we've experimented
with various bits and piecesthat we sell, like the cuffs,
collars, paddles, smugglers, etc.
And you know less so as you getolder and you start their
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family because we have a moredifficult.
Yeah, it's like mum, why is thedoor shut?
I want it, mum.
Mum, why is the door shut?
Shh, go away.
I'll be back out in a minute.
Your father's busy, yeah, so itkind of boils down to that.
We wouldn't sell anything thatwe wouldn't use.
So you know, we'll try stuffout and see what they feel like,
but yeah, not as much as weused to use.
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Do you have any particularfavourites?
For me, it's probably the cuffs.
I find the cuffs reallycomfortable when we're at the
events.
We get people to try them on,see how they feel what.
What we're looking for there isto make sure it's not going to
cause you any pain in a way thatyou don't want.
Obviously, you want to berestrained.
You want to feel the restraint.
You don't want it to be diggingin under your wrist, for
example.
So I think the Cusp we do arereally good, really solid.
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That's why we do the LactoneGuaranteed because we know they
don't break.
Probably one of my favourites,which are basically really long
belts with holes from top tobottom.
Use some really cool thingswith them.
So, like you look for full bodywraps, so around the arms,
quite quickly, it's only goodyou do with rope.
It's only good you could dowith these just finished wraps.
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Just a little bit frustrating,because I've never really got on
with rope.
I've always found that it'squite sort of it's easy to mark.
Yeah, you then end up withun-picked knots, and there's
probably knots that people dothat.
I mean I just put a granny knotin and it's like it doesn't
tighten.
Yeah, I just didn't have thepatience.
No, and I mean talking aboutbelts.
I remember Andy actually createda particular belt that you
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could use as a waist belt, butthere was an extra bit in it
wasn.
There was which allowed you todo like a figure of a wrist
restrain.
Have you got one?
I've got one there.
You can take it off, though, ohgod, you could spend as close
as you want.
Live on camera, live on camera.
So this is the ultimate inactually.
So this demonstration.
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I've had this belt for 13 years, okay, so this belt was one
that he made, which is so thevery first event I did.
I took it off his shelf and putit on, and I've not took it off
since.
I've been through like airportsecurity with this on, and
nobody's ever quizzed me aboutit, but it works as a standard
belt.
And then, for years and years,I looked at some of the other
head cameras.
Yeah, I did my show.
(22:33):
So, basically, what you're goingto do, the two nudes I hope you
can see that.
Okay, it goes from being a beltthat you wear and trimmed a set
of cuffs like that.
So you've got wrist cuffs there, and obviously you can then put
it around like a chair legyou're trimmed into to, you know
, around the neck potentially,if that's what you're into.
(22:54):
So, yeah, that was a design hecame up with and that's actually
been one of our best sellers.
So someone's now going here andgoing, oh, I'm going to copy
that.
There's plenty of people thatare copying it.
You'll find it all over Etsy,but I think he might be one of
the first to do it.
I'm not sure.
It's only the first time we sawit.
It was one of those things thatyou go to events and lots of
people do paddles and cuffs andcollars and things like that.
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That and this, this belt, wasthe one thing that stood out.
It was different, yeah, and oneof the things that we always
like about businesses and andtry and emulate and for us, it's
something that we try and do isthat elements of always being
different?
If everyone else is doing cuffs, then you need to do something.
Yeah, okay, you can still docuffs, but either do different
cuffs or do something that'sdifferent, and this was
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something that always struck mymind, because I mean one.
I do own one.
It's somewhere at home.
I should have gone to the owl.
It was just completelydifferent to what everyone else
is doing.
20 odd years later, I stillremember it.
Yeah, you're still saying it tome.
What I like about it is it's areally simple design.
It's actually got two uses.
So, yeah, works on your jeans.
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You know when your jeans comeoff, you've got to set a course
for it to go and hopefullyairport security won't notice.
Yeah, although every time I gothrough it I've got a tent belt
off, tent shoes off, thank you.
Then you start walking.
Yeah, but what about the threedildos?
In my case, we don't care about.
Shoes are more important.
They could explode.
Yeah, we've taken someinteresting stuff from airport
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security, including these.
You did it on purpose or we dida show a few years ago and this
is before Brexit, because now ifwe do shows, we have to ship
everything out through customsand do carnage and things.
But we did a show Actually.
No, it wasn't a show.
We were going to see Mr B to dosome demonstrations and we had
a flight case.
Strange enough flight case I'mcurrently sitting on because I
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don't have a seat.
I'm sitting on a flight casejust to do this and we had to
carry a load of kit with us andRob was doing the whole thing.
He was like, yeah, we'll takeit through, and I had a load of
these.
I don't think I had thedecimator.
Actually, I think I hadsomething smaller, but the
funniest thing, kaz was goingthrough as well and she got
pinged because she had M&Ms andthey were like getting the wipes
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out, looking at the chocolateand going, oh, it's going to go
through the ion scanner.
I'm sitting there with, yeah,I've got like things that look
like bullets and bombs andthings like, yeah, no problem,
whatever.
So, yeah, yeah, we've taken afew interesting things through
customs before, let's face it,people take our kit on holiday,
play in a nice hotel room or onthe beach or something, and
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things like this.
I mean that's great because itdoes allow you to sort of play
even further.
And playing, I mean knowingthat you're walking around with
a set of cuffs around your waist, it's quite an interesting idea
.
Yeah, so I wore that every dayto work when I worked in an
office, and nobody ever asked mea question about it, nobody
even looked at it.
And I think I mean these days,I think there is more.
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I mean we've played in publicsometimes, we've.
I remember a date we went toPizza Hut and I had cuffs on and
these were quite fortunately,they weren't your cuffs, they
were the other company, but theywere quite wide leather cuffs
and I think I might haveforgotten I had them on.
But we went into Pizza Hut andwe were having a pizza and
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suddenly realised that I've gotthese two leather cuffs on, but
because they're just there, theylook almost like an arm
bracelet.
So it's that okay.
Yeah, we're here now, we'repaying the bill and the waitress
couldn't really care less.
But yeah, walked into pizzawearing two bondage cuffs and
nobody noticed.
This about is always one thingthat's always stood out for me,
from Andy and Kinky Cobbler andthere Yourself is Never Delight.
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So hopefully we're going to seemore of these ideas, because
it's a really good one and itworks At the end of the day from
a playing perspective.
That's what we want.
Yeah, it's that.
Does it work?
Does it do what it's supposedto do?
Doesn't do what it's supposedto do?
And will it last?
And will it last?
Yes, unfortunately, there is alarge amount of material out
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there.
We see it in the Eastern world.
We see it in the adult world ingeneral, where there's still
the adult tax, where people theybuy something from B&Q and so
the price has tripled orquadrupled.
It's like you bought that pieceof rubber tubing from B&Q and
you're now telling me that it'sbondage and therefore it's five
times the price.
Or they purchased it from mypet hay, china or India or
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Pakistan and it's been made bysomeone who probably gets paid
$3 an hour.
You pull it and it falls apart.
I mean for me, for restraints,for cuffs and things like that.
I want to be able to pullagainst them.
That's the whole point aboutbeing in restraints.
I want to be able to pull themas much as I can.
I don't want things snapping, Idon't want things breaking.
I want it to restrain.
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It's supposed to hold you,which is why I don't like things
like pro, because I just end updamaging this.
I've got nerve in a hand doingthis.
So, yeah, I really like that.
It's a treasure.
What have you got?
Again, it comes back to that.
It's unique.
Yeah, it was.
It's certain things youremember certain people for yeah
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, I mean I've solved loads ofthese just to people I know, not
even at Martin's.
Yeah, just out the back at thepool and they're going oh, my
god, and it is that.
It's something that's different.
It stands out and because,really, after 20 years, I still
we do genuinely have one.
Just we've got so much kids athome, I don't know clue.
Half an hour, it is okay, so,okay.
So when did you and Kaz firstjoin the scene?
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It's probably a good place tostart.
Oh, that's a question.
When did we first join thescene?
Not to date you to a way, wowthe scene.
We predate Easton slightly, butseparately, because we
effectively came together as theconcept between Easton was
being created, which is whereKaz really is.
Would Easton exist without Kaz?
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No, the ideas might havecropped up because I was
thinking about them, I was goingto munchies, I was talking to
people before Kaz was around.
In fact, I actually met Kaz ata munch.
If Kaz hadn't been as involvedat the beginning, then, yeah,
the company wouldn't be where wewere now, because I was lucky
enough to have a partner whosaid let's try this, let's play
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with this.
And you know we enjoyed playingwith our products.
That's how the first productscame about.
We enjoyed incorporating intoplay, so we did things like the
a box, which uses sound.
That was based on playingevents with spanking and bondage
, where there was music playingso you would spank, or came in
time to music.
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That then expanded into usingheadphones so you could listen
to your own music rather than tolisten to the some dj playing
some weird stuff.
You could listen and play toyour own music and that's where
things like the a box came from.
And then we have remote control.
Again, I experienced that asher controlling and she
experienced it's me controlling.
So we were sort ofexperimenting before we met in
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our different ways.
We then met at a munch.
Then we got together and thingsjust progressed from there.
And the nice thing about beingin the industry we are certainly
at the beginning we still havethe opportunity to play more
publicly.
The problem we had with that isyou'd be playing and someone
would want to ask you a questionabout your products, which was
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like my mindset is in this, thissubspace, but now you want to
know, or can I place an order?
And like I'm playing, pleaselet me, let me just?
And it destroyed any ability toplay in a public space, like a
club or fetish fair after partythat sort of thing.
So we sort of moved more intothe private play, which was the
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big change for us, out ofinterest.
How did andy get into it then?
But the story I'm told is youngfriend who brought him a pair of
cups and said, can you repairthis for me?
And he basically just said, no,I'll make something better.
And a couple of months later hewas at the BBV and that's quite
a quick.
That was it.
And just a friend saying canyou make something?
And he did.
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And then he was like, oh, I'llshow you where to sell it.
And that was that.
And 20 odd years later we'restill here.
It's history, exactly.
Yeah, I think we've run out ofquestions.
I think I've run out ofquestions.
I didn't bring my little iPad.
I managed to leave that in thecar, but I think we've done.
We've had some interestingconversations.
We have, yes, and I'd like tothank you for coming on as my
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first in-house live streampodcast guest.
First of many, first of many,and next time I might get the
cameras in the right place.
I think we might have to doanother one, but yeah, it's been
great having you.
Thank you for coming and goodluck on the rest of Leather
Delights and I'll put some linkswhere I can for Leather
Delights, get some freeadvertising anyway, if you like
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I'm just kidding.
Hello everyone.
It's Wayne here fromiMakeSexToys and we're in the
eSteam studio and I have a guesttoday.
For change, I've actuallymanaged to cajole someone to
come in and talk to me, so I'mnot in here on my own.
I have here Sean from LeatherDelights.
Sean, would you like tointroduce yourself?
I think you've just done it forme.
So yeah, my name's Sean fromLeather Delights.
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I've kind of been makingbondage gear for what?
13 years now, and the businesshas been going since 2002.
It's not too bad 13 years anddoing bondage gear, and he's
just about managed to untiehimself.
But we first met sean.
In fact, he would have firstmet sean's dad at, uh, a place
called bbb, which is thebirmingham bazaar bazaar, which,
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if any of you are not in the UK, bbb is an event held in a city
called Birmingham, in themiddle of the UK, and it's quite
well known in the UK.
It's a fetish fair, which iswhy it's called Birmingham
Bazaar Bazaar, because it's inthe UK.
And Sean's dad, andy, was knownas the Kinky Cobbler because,
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guess what?
He was a cobbler and he didkinky stuff.
And that's how we first met.
And do you want to carry on thestory?
Oh yeah, so dad started thebusiness back in 2002 at the bbb
.
He's where he first traded um,in fact, this month october, but
I'm going to scan out, butoctober is our birthday month
and then, sadly, he passed away2011, at which point me and my
mom carried on the businesswithout my nan.
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So since then, it's been a realfamily business skull for
strength.
It's true.
It's just gone from there halfthe accident, really.
So how, how many bbb's have youmissed?
Uh, so the business?
In total, we've missed two, andone of them was two in two in
22 years.
Yeah, two in 22 years.
Yeah, we've done in 22 years.
Yeah, we've done a lot.
I think we counted about 250,216 total we've done.
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And you do other events as well,don't you?
Yeah, so we do the LAM, whichis London Alternative Market.
That's held, obviously, inLondon each month.
So we've done all but two ofthem as well, and they've been
going since 2004.
So, yeah, we 2004.
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So, yeah, we've done 200, allof those done.
It's got to be 250 eventsmyself since I started helping
in.
Well, I started helping in 2007, just by carrying boxes
upstairs for dad and then doingeverything really since 2001
everything, yeah.
So why do you do the events?
I mean, what do you find aboutevents is the key for you as a
business.
So for us, the key is beingable to talk to people face to
face, and bdsm is very tactile.
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People want to pick up and fillitems before they purchase them
.
So it gives people theopportunity to pick up our
paddles.
See all the different textureswe've got.
So there's more than justleather.
We've got some rubbers, we'vegot some furs, and then, with
collars, example, you can trythem, see what size you want.
So they're all made to measure.
Likewise, with cuffs, we alsodo some made-to-measure
harnesses.
So it's just an opportunity toget people to come try stuff on
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and, you know, get a feel forwhat you're buying, rather than
just buying blindly off theinternet and hoping it fits.
You still have a web throughthe web, absolutely yeah.
So you can buy from our websiteas well, and everything comes
with a lifetime guarantee.
So, like yourselves, lifetimeguarantee.
I wonder where that idea camefrom, but yeah, so if you ever
break anything you buy from us,we'll repair or replace it,
depending on, obviously, whatneeds to be done.
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But we are probably going toask you how you broke it, partly
because we want to know.
We normally need some me aninteresting story.
Oh, an interesting story.
It is here to protect theinnocent.
Of course, crikey, I wasn'texpecting this one.
No, I wasn't.
I'm trying to think what to sayfor YouTube.
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Oh, for YouTube.
So it was probably one of theguys that purchased a chest
harness office.
He just kept breaking it and wejust couldn't figure out why.
And we found out he was tryingto do some self-suspension off a
rope frame.
It's never a good idea, in myopinion.
Essentially, what happened wasthe D-ring kept pulling off the
front and that essentially ledto his changing the design.
So the design put the D-ringbehind the lever rather than
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just kind of clicked on thefront so it couldn't sit.
Now, if you're going to do thesame kind of task, instead of
pulling off and the rivets popin, you've got to rip through
the lever, which is so you canuse it for suspensions.
Yeah, I mean, I'd advise not to.
They're not necessarilydesigned for suspension.
So you do harnesses, yep.
You do pedals.
You do collars.
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What else do you do?
Probably in the majority, butwe also do some floggers.
We've got nipple clamps, we doa few belts.
That means spikes down highspikes.
Lots of spikes Obviously leadsto go with the collars.
We've got some cock cages andblindfolds.
Those are actually quiteextensive.
Pretty much anything you'dassociate with bondage and
leather is.
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Some people may.
Like I said, we make it to sizeas well.
So is it just leather you workin or do you work in other
materials?
So primarily leather.
Obviously, the kinky cobblerprobably gives away.
Our background is in the shoerepair industry, so a lot of the
rubbers we've sourced fromthere White and impactful.
Without intending to, I thinkit means they hurt.
Yeah, they hurt like hell.
And obviously all the rubbershave got different textures on
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them, which gives it's acompletely different sensation
based on the texture.
And then we often pair themlike a rabbit fur on the reverse
, so you'll get a paddle that'snice and stingy on one side and
then nice and soft and sensualon the other.
So essentially you're gettingtwo for one in a single paddle.
You mentioned fur.
Yes, now fur for a lot ofpeople is quite controversial.
Yes, because they like the factthat we're using animal skins.
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I mean, I think leather isprobably quite controversial,
but from a fur perspective,what's your thoughts about using
fur?
We put a lot of kind of workingbehind the scenes to work out
where our materials are comingfrom.
So we speak to a lot ofsuppliers to check their sources
.
All of our leather and fur comesas a byproduct to the meat
industry.
So we don't buy anything thatis killed for the purpose of
selling the fur lookalike I meancoats and something like that.
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It's something we would staywell away from.
So the rabbit fur comes as aby-product to the meat industry.
We do it in nice differentcolours as well.
To which Don't?
They say this when I haven'tseen the pink rabbit?
Yeah, well, they don't like tofail on this either.
See the pink rabbi runningacross?
Yeah, but obviously people likethe colours, so we offer a wide
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range of colours as well.
Rabbit fur is probably the mostcontroversial because people
have it as pets.
Don't worry, no, bunnies werehurt, we were eating them
instead.
Yeah, so I totally understandthat, and each to their own
really.
Likewise with leather, it allcomes as a by-product to the
meat industry and it's allsourced from UK suppliers and we
can kind of trace that to whereit came from.
Are you considering sort ofgoing into the markets of things
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like aviga leather and leathersubstitutes, because we know
there are people out there whohave issues with leather.
Yes, so we've looked and wekeep looking.
There's a few out there.
We've tried cork leatherrecently.
Actually Wasn't a massive fanof it it didn't I don't know.
It just didn't quite feel right, didn't feel like it was going
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to last up to any kind ofpunishment, so we kind of
scrapped that off pretty quickly.
We've tried a few over theyears and just never felt like
it would be light.
Yet Doesn't mean it won't inthe future.
And now we're putting the shipinto it.
It's something that I mean thewhole concept of recycling and
ethical sourcing.
I mean we've had issues withrecycling.
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I mean we've gone from usingplastic tubing which was virgin,
for want of a better word torecycled and recyclable tubing
for our electrode cases.
Even that was quite difficultto find something that actually
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was consistent all the time,didn't smell like strange bin
liners because a lot of recycledplastic smells like bin liners
and actually lasted a reasonableamount of time.
Because we don't want ourtubing to degrade because it's
used to protect our electrodes,but equally we want it to be
environmentally friendly so wecan chuck it into the recycling
and it be recycled.
Then, of course, we use largequantities of aluminium, which
is a very recyclable material,even more so than Coke cans.
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I mean solid aluminium likethese.
Our recyclers are sitting theregoing.
Please send us the offcuts.
We're recyclers and we'll giveyou money for them, which is
really quite nice.
What do you see as your futurein terms of things that are
changing?
I mean, we're seeing themarkets have changed.
We no longer do the markets.
We started off doing themarkets.
We did BDB, we did LAM, lff,etc.
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And we just got to the stagewhere we were so busy doing
normal orders, normal production, that we couldn't do the
markets because it took up aSunday, and that was before
things like social media camealong.
So do you see any major changescoming up in terms of how you
operate at the moment?
How you operate at the moment?
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So, yes and no.
I think increasing our onlinepresence is key for us.
That's definitely an area wecan expand.
There's, as you say, there's amarket scheme from around the UK
, so you've got BBB and Lamb,but there's also plenty of rules
now popular around the country.
That is kind of becoming alittle bit congested, where
there's almost too many eventsto sustain people and they're
kind of spreading what is, Iwouldn't say, becoming a little
bit congested, where there'salmost too many events to
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sustain people, and we're kindof spreading what is, I won't
say a small charity, but asmallish community.
We're kind of spreading that abit too thinly around the
country.
Perhaps I think also we foundbecause we did a few markets
dotted around we did bristol andwe did a market which actually
is the infamous market for us,because it's the only market we
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ever did at the time where wedidn't sell anything at all
because there were six peopleturned up.
I remember we did an event inCardiff and we sold one item all
day and there was probably onlya dozen people.
Yeah, this particular event I'mnot going to name the, it was a
coastal town in Kent, I'm notgoing to name it.
It was a coastal town in kent,I'm not going to say exactly
which one.
Basically, for quite a fewyears this was the only event
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we'd never sold anything out andliterally six people turned up.
It was the organizer and hisfriends and it was like, okay,
fine, that that's the luck ofthe draw.
That's what happens when yourun a bit in the business and
then actually was it a bbb?
A couple came up to us and saidwe saw you at this event and
we've come to buy a box.
And it was like, oh no, andthat means we no longer have an
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event in which we haven't soldanything Because technically
they saw us at the event and nowthey're coming to buy it from
us.
Now it was like we've neverdone an event where we haven't
sold anything at all.
But we did a few events dottedaround.
We did Brighton Pride, cardiffPride, we experimented and we
love doing events because youget to talk to people.
The problem is a lot of thetime it's the logistics.
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We're based in Watford, you'rebased in the middle of Tamworth,
the middle bit, the middle bit,and, yeah, sometimes the four
or five to get to somewhere andthen you've got to unload, set
up for the event, do the eventand do the whole thing.
Bang, it's a slice.
So yeah, I mean London for us.
We get up about 6 o'clock in themorning to get there for about
8, half 8, doors open at 12,then cruise about 6, and then by
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the time we've gone home.
It's you know.
I mean hopefully.
Have you got some pictures ofyour stand?
Yes, I shall put some picturesof the stand in the podcast and
if this is the audio podcastthen you need to go and look at
the video version to see thepictures.
But we'll try and put somepictures of your stand.
But your stand isn't quitecompact.
It's a proper stand with lotsof things on.
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Yeah, probably takes a fewhours to put together.
It does so between me and mymum.
It takes us anywhere betweentwo and three hours to set up.
Depends on how many sets ofstairs we've got to do up.
Note for the event organiserscould we possibly have lifts
that work and not a lot ofstairs and things?
You know, next time you build avenue, no stairs, be brilliant
with all of that box with varroas a van and we fill, stop
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nothing to you good idea stuff.
It's demo organised and juststuff.
In England we've got plenty ofboxes.
Yeah, so it's.
I can remember our times ofdoing events and yeah, it was.
I don't think we ever got to avan level.
We had a big car.
Yeah, doing events was quite asqueeze sometimes to get things
in and then you forget thetrolley and people would be like
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have you got a trolley?
He's like the trolley.
Who's brought the trolley.
But yeah, we enjoyed doing theevents.
It just got to the stage wherewe couldn't logistically do them
.
What's your favourite events?
Oh, I'm going to call you a ficon record, can't I?
So officially you should say Ilike all the events.
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Yes, I was caught up with apolitician's answer.
So I think each event we do.
Bbb has been around for 20 oddyears.
Bbb has been around before us,yeah, so BBB's got a nice venue,
nightingale's in the centre ofBirmingham.
It's a spreader of three floors.
It's quite well established.
Now you've got quite a goodlocal scene that you can attend
on a regular basis.
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So that's quite nice.
It's nice and open and, youknow, very welcoming the scene,
very friendly there.
Lamb is probably another market.
At the moment it's in acocktail bar just outside Covent
Garden because it used to bethe bank at one point, didn't it
?
Yeah, so it was Revolutions inLondon also, just, and we, when
we used to do it, when we usedto do it, it was in South of the
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River.
Yeah, in an old theatre, yeah,but yeah, the fact that they get
established venues means thatyou get that element of it.
It's more consistent.
Yeah, as soon as you get anevent where they've been kicked
out.
The management don't likewhat's happening.
Yeah, so with events in thepast, yeah, bbb's been at
Nightingale since it started, so20 odd years and it's been
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through a couple of renovationsas well.
It has.
Yes, can't use the stagebecause we're painting it.
Remember that year?
Yeah, not always to the better.
They blacked out the windowsone year, which wasn't great for
a market, but, you know,probably pretty good for a night
job.
Yeah, lamb has recently changedvenue.
After nearly a decade it's lastvenue.
So I'd say lamb is probably agreat experience, a great day
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out where you can go and sitwith friends and have a nice
meal.
Do they still have the afterparties?
And they yep.
So both of them have got anafter party and they start about
an hour or so after the marketcloses, so it gives you time to
go out and get food and getchanged.
You know, take you stayingnearby and I don't know what
time they finish.
It's been a long time sinceI've seen them.
Yeah, as a vendor, it's that Ijust want to go home.
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Yeah, I don't want to go andplay now.
Get some food and put your feetto the ground We've had in the
past.
We've invited to events and wehave done events which have been
play events, and they're like,oh yeah, you can come and sell
some things and then you canplay.
And it's like it's reallydifficult to mix the two because
one minute you're thinkingabout okay, do you take a credit
card?
Yeah, I'll take a credit card.
Where's the signal?
That's always the classic oneat an event, and then it's like
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I'd love to be spent over thatspanking bench or hanging off
that cross, but and thensometimes I'm like I've just
bought this off.
You Can I?
Just I don't know if one ofthese for a gag is like I can't
answer any questions.
I can't say anything.
Sorry, what's the weirdestrequest you've ever had?
Oh, weirdest request, I don'tknow.
Actually, I don't reallyconsider any of the requests.
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We can't.
Okay, what's the most extremerequest?
Possibly one that you've had togo back and go.
Are you sure?
You probably start to get tothe realms of some of the
spanking equipment and some ofthe puddles.
I say this going.
He's going to mention spikes.
I am going to mention spikes.
It's a really bad idea to putspikes on a puddle knowing I've
got spikes at home ready to puton a puddle of this weed.
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We have a standing joke aboutspikes.
Spikes are something that cropsup in a lot of conversations.
Just taste spikes.
We've had people ask for allsorts on puddles.
Where you look at it and go,that would cause some serious
hell on my end.
Don't think that's wise at all.
So you're looking and yeah, no,I'm not sure we want to touch
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that.
Yes, I think I mean we.
We've had some interesting umethical issues, shall we say we,
we had a, a customer who onceum said that they they wanted to
use one of our boxes onsomebody's ears in order to
create, as they put it, abrainstorm, and we were like
(15:55):
that really, really doesn'tsound safe.
In fact, it sounds so unsafe.
The answer's no, I'm not goingto sell you that, but you won't
know what I'm using it for.
Well, the thing is, you've justtold us what you want to use it
for.
We're not comfortable with theidea of you using it for that.
We would rather not sell it toyou.
Yeah, you can go and buy it offthe web, but we wouldn't know.
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But really uncomfortable withthe idea of using an item in in
such a way that couldpotentially cause serious damage
in our industry.
Um, shock collars is one thatcrops up from time to time.
Shock collars are a bad idea.
I don't care who says oh, it'sa good idea.
I've been using it on my subfor the last 25 years.
You shouldn't bear in mind theiris pca in the uk are attempted
to ban shock collars on the useof animals, and the shock
collar that's designed for ananimal is designed for an animal
that has a big lump of fur andskin here to take up some of
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that shot and you're then goingto put it on a human being.
He's got really thin.
That is the skin around here,two massive sets of nerves
around here and you're going togive them quite strong electric
shocks.
And you wonder why we thinkthat might be dangerous.
Mmm said yeah, we don'trecommend shock collars.
It's one of our pet hates.
Yeah, you do have people outthere who will take things to
extremes.
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I've seen people saying thatthey're going to use barbed wire
for whipping or barbed wire fortying someone up.
Doesn't feel right to even havethat discussion with them
because it's just so unsafe.
And yeah, if you're usingimpact instruments of any
description, I know that a skullruler can cause a serious
(17:27):
amount of pain.
It's a piece of wood this long.
What happens when you get a bigbatch of some description?
And we've seen people sellingthick aluminium bats.
I've seen the barbed wire basedon butts as well, people
selling them.
Just yeah, I'm sure I want tosell that.
Some of the toys we sell aredesigned to hurt.
But two kinds of pain you wantif there's like the pain you
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want from an impact toy.
And then there's the ouch.
This is really sharp.
It's just cut me, get away.
I really didn't.
I think the difference is it'sdown to control, yeah, and it's
down to having a dom who has theability to control themselves
and control the instrument.
So let's face it, you've gotcutting tools that you use to
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cut for leather, which are verycapable of chopping fingers off,
oh yes.
But you, as an experiencedartisan, know how to use those
tools in the correct manner, andthat's the key with impact
instruments.
It's the key with easton.
Once you know how to use thingsand know how to use things in
the correct manner, they can gofrom something that's massively
enjoyable and for other people,pain can be enjoyed, um, but the
(18:35):
difference is it's consentingand it's control and it's
pitched to that level that, okay, it might take you to your
limit, but that's your limit,and it might tickle a little bit
further.
But for a lot of us who havethose experiences, that's what
you want.
But it's still, it's undercontrol and it's with consent.
(19:01):
It's not just a oh yeah, here'sa cane, bang, bang, bang.
And we, unfortunately, withinthe industry and within the
fetish environment, you do seepeople that think that using a
cane or a paddle is literallyjust pick it up and hit someone
with it.
They have no idea where to hitor how to hit or how to use that
in a central way that theirsubject gets that level of
feeling and sensation they'reafter, rather than just I've
just been beaten up with a bigstick of wood.
(19:22):
It's nice to know that thereare people out there who are not
just making the stuff to sellor look, I made it, you buy it.
They're out in the story.
But there's some ethics behind.
What are you going to use it for?
How are you going to use itwithout having that element of
the nanny state?
Let's face it, the nanny statewas around.
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We'd never be making anythingthat hurt anyone.
Oh, that's bad, but this comesfrom the 50s, when we all beat
the children with the canes.
Never did me any harm.
So I'm told the personal, thepersonal.
So we're going to get allpersonal now.
Now, one of the things that wepride ourselves on in eSIM
systems is all the sales teamand in fact a lot of the staff
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use our kit.
So I'm going to be personal.
Do you actually use any of yourkit yourself?
So I hope my mum's not watchingnow, but, sorry, my earlies.
So yeah, over the years,obviously we've experimented
with various bits and piecesthat we sell, like the cuffs,
collars, paddles, smugglers, etc.
And you know less so as you getolder and you start their
(20:26):
family because we have a moredifficult.
Yeah, it's like mum, why is thedoor shut?
I want it, mum.
Mum, why is the door shut?
Shh, go away.
I'll be back out in a minute.
Your father's busy, yeah, so itkind of boils down to that.
We wouldn't sell anything thatwe wouldn't use.
So you know, we'll try stuffout and see what they feel like,
but yeah, not as much as weused to use.
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Do you have any particularfavourites?
For me, it's probably the cuffs.
I find the cuffs reallycomfortable when we're at the
events.
We get people to try them on,see how they feel what.
What we're looking for there isto make sure it's not going to
cause you any pain in a way thatyou don't want.
Obviously, you want to berestrained.
You want to feel the restraint.
You don't want it to be diggingin under your wrist, for
example.
So I think the Cusp we do arereally good, really solid.
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That's why we do the LactoneGuaranteed because we know they
don't break.
Probably one of my favourites,which are basically really long
belts with holes from top tobottom.
Use some really cool thingswith them.
So, like you look for full bodywraps, so around the arms,
quite quickly, it's only goodyou do with rope.
It's only good you could dowith these just finished wraps.
(21:29):
Just a little bit frustrating,because I've never really got on
with rope.
I've always found that it'squite sort of it's easy to mark.
Yeah, you then end up withun-picked knots, and there's
probably knots that people dothat.
I mean I just put a granny knotin and it's like it doesn't
tighten.
Yeah, I just didn't have thepatience.
No, and I mean talking aboutbelts.
I remember Andy actually createda particular belt that you
(21:52):
could use as a waist belt, butthere was an extra bit in it
wasn.
There was which allowed you todo like a figure of a wrist
restrain.
Have you got one?
I've got one there.
You can take it off, though, ohgod, you could spend as close
as you want.
Live on camera, live on camera.
So this is the ultimate inactually.
So this demonstration.
(22:12):
I've had this belt for 13 years, okay, so this belt was one
that he made, which is so thevery first event I did.
I took it off his shelf and putit on, and I've not took it off
since.
I've been through like airportsecurity with this on, and
nobody's ever quizzed me aboutit, but it works as a standard
belt.
And then, for years and years,I looked at some of the other
head cameras.
Yeah, I did my show.
(22:33):
So, basically, what you're goingto do, the two nudes I hope you
can see that.
Okay, it goes from being a beltthat you wear and trimmed a set
of cuffs like that.
So you've got wrist cuffs there, and obviously you can then put
it around like a chair legyou're trimmed into to, you know
, around the neck potentially,if that's what you're into.
(22:54):
So, yeah, that was a design hecame up with and that's actually
been one of our best sellers.
So someone's now going here andgoing, oh, I'm going to copy
that.
There's plenty of people thatare copying it.
You'll find it all over Etsy,but I think he might be one of
the first to do it.
I'm not sure.
It's only the first time we sawit.
It was one of those things thatyou go to events and lots of
people do paddles and cuffs andcollars and things like that.
(23:16):
That and this, this belt, wasthe one thing that stood out.
It was different, yeah, and oneof the things that we always
like about businesses and andtry and emulate and for us, it's
something that we try and do isthat elements of always being
different?
If everyone else is doing cuffs, then you need to do something.
Yeah, okay, you can still docuffs, but either do different
cuffs or do something that'sdifferent, and this was
(23:38):
something that always struck mymind, because I mean one.
I do own one.
It's somewhere at home.
I should have gone to the owl.
It was just completelydifferent to what everyone else
is doing.
20 odd years later, I stillremember it.
Yeah, you're still saying it tome.
What I like about it is it's areally simple design.
It's actually got two uses.
So, yeah, works on your jeans.
(24:00):
You know when your jeans comeoff, you've got to set a course
for it to go and hopefullyairport security won't notice.
Yeah, although every time I gothrough it I've got a tent belt
off, tent shoes off, thank you.
Then you start walking.
Yeah, but what about the threedildos?
In my case, we don't care about.
Shoes are more important.
They could explode.
Yeah, we've taken someinteresting stuff from airport
(24:20):
security, including these.
You did it on purpose or we dida show a few years ago and this
is before Brexit, because now ifwe do shows, we have to ship
everything out through customsand do carnage and things.
But we did a show Actually.
No, it wasn't a show.
We were going to see Mr B to dosome demonstrations and we had
a flight case.
Strange enough flight case I'mcurrently sitting on because I
(24:43):
don't have a seat.
I'm sitting on a flight casejust to do this and we had to
carry a load of kit with us andRob was doing the whole thing.
He was like, yeah, we'll takeit through, and I had a load of
these.
I don't think I had thedecimator.
Actually, I think I hadsomething smaller, but the
funniest thing, kaz was goingthrough as well and she got
pinged because she had M&Ms andthey were like getting the wipes
(25:05):
out, looking at the chocolateand going, oh, it's going to go
through the ion scanner.
I'm sitting there with, yeah,I've got like things that look
like bullets and bombs andthings like, yeah, no problem,
whatever.
So, yeah, yeah, we've taken afew interesting things through
customs before, let's face it,people take our kit on holiday,
play in a nice hotel room or onthe beach or something, and
(25:25):
things like this.
I mean that's great because itdoes allow you to sort of play
even further.
And playing, I mean knowingthat you're walking around with
a set of cuffs around your waist, it's quite an interesting idea
.
Yeah, so I wore that every dayto work when I worked in an
office, and nobody ever asked mea question about it, nobody
even looked at it.
And I think I mean these days,I think there is more.
(25:46):
I mean we've played in publicsometimes, we've.
I remember a date we went toPizza Hut and I had cuffs on and
these were quite fortunately,they weren't your cuffs, they
were the other company, but theywere quite wide leather cuffs
and I think I might haveforgotten I had them on.
But we went into Pizza Hut andwe were having a pizza and
(26:08):
suddenly realised that I've gotthese two leather cuffs on, but
because they're just there, theylook almost like an arm
bracelet.
So it's that okay.
Yeah, we're here now, we'repaying the bill and the waitress
couldn't really care less.
But yeah, walked into pizzawearing two bondage cuffs and
nobody noticed.
This about is always one thingthat's always stood out for me,
from Andy and Kinky Cobbler andthere Yourself is Never Delight.
(26:31):
So hopefully we're going to seemore of these ideas, because
it's a really good one and itworks At the end of the day from
a playing perspective.
That's what we want.
Yeah, it's that.
Does it work?
Does it do what it's supposedto do?
Doesn't do what it's supposedto do?
And will it last?
And will it last?
Yes, unfortunately, there is alarge amount of material out
(26:51):
there.
We see it in the Eastern world.
We see it in the adult world ingeneral, where there's still
the adult tax, where people theybuy something from B&Q and so
the price has tripled orquadrupled.
It's like you bought that pieceof rubber tubing from B&Q and
you're now telling me that it'sbondage and therefore it's five
times the price.
Or they purchased it from mypet hay, china or India or
(27:13):
Pakistan and it's been made bysomeone who probably gets paid
$3 an hour.
You pull it and it falls apart.
I mean for me, for restraints,for cuffs and things like that.
I want to be able to pullagainst them.
That's the whole point aboutbeing in restraints.
I want to be able to pull themas much as I can.
I don't want things snapping, Idon't want things breaking.
I want it to restrain.
(27:35):
It's supposed to hold you,which is why I don't like things
like pro, because I just end updamaging this.
I've got nerve in a hand doingthis.
So, yeah, I really like that.
It's a treasure.
What have you got?
Again, it comes back to that.
It's unique.
Yeah, it was.
It's certain things youremember certain people for yeah
(27:57):
, I mean I've solved loads ofthese just to people I know, not
even at Martin's.
Yeah, just out the back at thepool and they're going oh, my
god, and it is that.
It's something that's different.
It stands out and because,really, after 20 years, I still
we do genuinely have one.
Just we've got so much kids athome, I don't know clue.
Half an hour, it is okay, so,okay.
So when did you and Kaz firstjoin the scene?
(28:18):
It's probably a good place tostart.
Oh, that's a question.
When did we first join thescene?
Not to date you to a way, wowthe scene.
We predate Easton slightly, butseparately, because we
effectively came together as theconcept between Easton was
being created, which is whereKaz really is.
Would Easton exist without Kaz?
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No, the ideas might havecropped up because I was
thinking about them, I was goingto munchies, I was talking to
people before Kaz was around.
In fact, I actually met Kaz ata munch.
If Kaz hadn't been as involvedat the beginning, then, yeah,
the company wouldn't be where wewere now, because I was lucky
enough to have a partner whosaid let's try this, let's play
(29:02):
with this.
And you know we enjoyed playingwith our products.
That's how the first productscame about.
We enjoyed incorporating intoplay, so we did things like the
a box, which uses sound.
That was based on playingevents with spanking and bondage
, where there was music playingso you would spank, or came in
time to music.
(29:23):
That then expanded into usingheadphones so you could listen
to your own music rather than tolisten to the some dj playing
some weird stuff.
You could listen and play toyour own music and that's where
things like the a box came from.
And then we have remote control.
Again, I experienced that asher controlling and she
experienced it's me controlling.
So we were sort ofexperimenting before we met in
(29:47):
our different ways.
We then met at a munch.
Then we got together and thingsjust progressed from there.
And the nice thing about beingin the industry we are certainly
at the beginning we still havethe opportunity to play more
publicly.
The problem we had with that isyou'd be playing and someone
would want to ask you a questionabout your products, which was
(30:08):
like my mindset is in this, thissubspace, but now you want to
know, or can I place an order?
And like I'm playing, pleaselet me, let me just?
And it destroyed any ability toplay in a public space, like a
club or fetish fair after partythat sort of thing.
So we sort of moved more intothe private play, which was the
(30:29):
big change for us, out ofinterest.
How did andy get into it then?
But the story I'm told is youngfriend who brought him a pair of
cups and said, can you repairthis for me?
And he basically just said, no,I'll make something better.
And a couple of months later hewas at the BBV and that's quite
a quick.
That was it.
And just a friend saying canyou make something?
And he did.
(30:49):
And then he was like, oh, I'llshow you where to sell it.
And that was that.
And 20 odd years later we'restill here.
It's history, exactly.
Yeah, I think we've run out ofquestions.
I think I've run out ofquestions.
I didn't bring my little iPad.
I managed to leave that in thecar, but I think we've done.
We've had some interestingconversations.
We have, yes, and I'd like tothank you for coming on as my
(31:10):
first in-house live streampodcast guest.
First of many, first of many,and next time I might get the
cameras in the right place.
I think we might have to doanother one, but yeah, it's been
great having you.
Thank you for coming and goodluck on the rest of Leather
Delights and I'll put some linkswhere I can for Leather
Delights, get some freeadvertising anyway, if you like
(31:32):
what I'm doing and trying to dohere on.
I Make Sex Toys or even EastSim Systems, because that's
actually the main business I do,then please consider ticking on
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If you don't like what I'mdoing, please consider leaving a
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I'm doing and I might be able tochange it.
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But whatever you do, please besafe and have fun.
Have fun and thanks forlistening.
Please be safe and have fun andthanks for watching.
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