March 13, 2024 • 21 mins
We say Size doesnt matter when it comes to the world of Sex Toys, but is that really the case?
Wayne from E-Stim Systems opens the doors on e-stim electrodes and tries to give you a little insight on that age old question does size really matter?
From the worlds largest, possibly to the worlds smallest, we discuss things big and small and even what happens if things get stuck. We drift over the guy with 26 piercings and wonder what an oven door handle has to do with it all?
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Wayne (00:00):
Hello, this is Wayne from E-Stim Systems and welcome to
my podcast.
I Make Sex Toys.
Why is it called I Make SexToys?
The simple answer is because Imake sex toys and I've been
running a business for the last20 years making sex toys.
Join me as I delve into theintricacies of running a
business within the adultindustry.
Welcome to sizes and everything.
(00:26):
Now, when it comes to sex toys,the one thing people first think
about is size.
How big are sex toys and howbig are the sex toys that I make
?
And the simple answer isthey're not as big as some
people think.
The smallest we do is about aninch.
The largest we do is theDecimator.
That is four inches in diameterand weighs 3.6 kilos and is at
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the moment, as far as we know,it's the world's largest
commercially produced E-Stimelectrode.
It's a whopper of a beast and Iguarantee that most people will
look at it and go.
There is no way that this goesinside someone, but I guarantee
that it does go inside somepeople.
Where do we get the idea of thedecimator?
Well, as lots and lots ofcompanies do, we had an idea at
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the beginning of our inceptionto produce an electrode that was
almost a display piece.
You sometimes go intoexhibitions and shops where
you'll see a giant telephone andit was something along those
lines.
It was let's create somethingthat nobody's actually going to
buy this as a one off piece.
It's going to be big and givespeople something to talk about.
And we actually createdsomething called the OMG.
(01:30):
Now what does OMG stand for?
Oh my God, it's that simple.
That's what OMG stands for.
Now, the OMG is three inches indiameter.
It's quite a beast.
When we first started, it wasthe biggest electrode we did.
The strange thing was, when wedid events, people would come up
and say how much is it?
And it was like we hadn'treally priced it because this
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was supposed to be one off.
So we gave them a price andthey turned around and said,
yeah, I'll have one.
So we sold the first OMG.
So we had to build another one,and then another one and
another one, and that's actuallysounds like a lot of the things
our company does.
We start building one as a oneoff and then more and more
people come along and buy it andyou end up producing it.
And now, strange enough, theOMG is made in the 10s.
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It's quite a popular electrode.
As I say, it's not the world'slargest electrode, but it's a
popular electrode.
So where did the decimator comefrom?
Well, when you're in asituation where your electrode
that was going to be a one offis a good seller, then you have
to come up with something evenbigger, and that's where the
decimator came from.
The reason it's four inches indiameter was originally that was
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the largest we could fit ontoone of our machines.
It was actually a machine byhand in a lathe and that was the
capacity of the lathe.
Four inches in diameter, it wasa bit of a beast.
Could we make something largernow?
Yeah, we could.
I'm not sure we're going tobecause the decimator for most
people is too big, although westill sell probably one or two a
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month.
You sometimes wonder if you'reselling them to Prodom so they
can put them on the shelf andscare their subs.
But people do buy it and itworks.
Whilst we're on the subject ofcustom electrodes, we generally
don't do custom electrodesanymore.
We used to do custom electrodeswhen we first started because
to a certain extent, that was usexperimenting with what people
were actually asking for.
And there was a very nicegentleman at I believe it was
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the BBB, which is the BirminghamBazaar Bazaar, which 20 odd
years later, is still going.
So if you ever want to go to afetish fair in Birmingham in the
UK, not Birmingham in Alabama,Birmingham, uk BBB fantastic
place to go and still got quitea lot of friends who still trade
there.
Brilliant place.
That's one of the places wherewe started.
Anyway, getting back to thestory, this gentleman approached
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us and said he wanted a sound.
Now, sounds are something thatis designed to go down the
urethra of your penis.
It's a metal rod.
Personally, quite frankly, theyscared the hell out of me.
Sounding is something that I donot have any compulsion to try.
However, I do have people on myteam who love sounds, which is
where the sound designs camefrom.
However, this gentleman wantedus to do a custom sound for him
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and the answer was yes, whatwould you like?
He wanted 16 millimeters indiameter, which is about the
size of my thumb, so quite alarge diameter, and he wanted it
16 inches long.
Now, bear in mind, our normalsound is about eight millimeters
in diameter and 175 millimeterslong.
16 inches, which is over a foot, is a big, hefty sound, and I
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wasn't quite sure whether he wasbullshitting, whether he really
understood what he was askingfor, but I was prepared to go
along with it.
So we agreed a price and hepaid for it, which, if you're
ever doing custom things forpeople, always try and get some
form of payment upfront, becauseunfortunately some people will
at the last minute turn aroundand go oh no, I don't want it,
and you've spent all that timeand effort producing a custom
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item.
So we came to an agreement andI made it and I was quite
shocked because it was biggerthan even I thought and I knew
what the sizing was.
We were driving back to the BBB,because the idea was that he
placed the order at one month.
The next BBB that we attended.
We would give it to him on thenext one.
And he turned up and when weshowed it to him he was like
that's exactly what I want.
(05:04):
I was like phew, thank God forthat.
This thing was 16 inches longand it was 16 millimetres in
diameter and it had ridges on it, because we do something called
a dipstick, so we put a ridgeevery inch or so down.
The idea is so you can see howfar it's going down and it looks
nice.
This thing was massive and hetook hold of it and he was like,
yep, that's exactly what I want.
And we're like, really, this,you're planning to use this, not
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as an anal insertable, but youcan use down your penis.
And he was like, yeah, yeah,I've got 26 piercings.
Okay, certainly, he wasdefinitely into the piercings,
but he loved it and that was acustom item that we made.
Why do we not do custom itemsnow?
Now we do get asked for customitems.
We commonly have people saying,oh, can you take a, a mona, and
can you adapt it, or can youchange the size or can you make
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the next longer?
And the simple answer is wesimply do not have time.
Firstly, virtually everythingnow is made in all CNC machines.
Now, cnc machines,their benefit is they can mass
produce.
They can say mass produce, thatsounds bad.
They can produce lots of asingle item Once they're
programmed.
The problem is you've got toprogram them to do that and that
takes time.
But typically we could bespending 10 to 15 minutes doing
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a setup and that's where theitem that we know works If it's
for something that's new.
So when we're prototyping onthem and I will talk about how
we prototype in a later podcast.
But if we're prototyping onthem it can take up to an hour
two hours sometimes to setthings up, get the tooling right
, and that's just not practicalwhen we're running a business.
It's not practical from acustom perspective.
If I turn around to a customerand say, yeah, I can give you a
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custom mona with a differenthead, but it's going to cost you
300 pounds for a single item,they'll quite rightly just laugh
and walk away when you can buya mona for under 100 pounds.
Simple answer is custom items.
When you get into production,like us, we just don't have the
capacity to do it.
We don't have the time.
Sometimes people just don'tunderstand that.
It's just a fact of life.
I'm sorry we can't do customitems.
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We do always listen to peoplewhen they suggest custom
modifications, for the simplereason that if we get two or
three people asking for the samething, you start to wonder is
there an opportunity for us toproduce it?
Is there a reason they'reasking for a shorter one or a
fatter one or a larger one?
We always pride ourselves onlistening to customers and when
they say can we have somethingthat's different to what you
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currently have, we'll look at itand go.
Well, there's more than oneperson asking this.
Now there's three people askingthis, now there's four or five
people asking this.
Okay, let's put this intoinitially small production and
see how it goes.
And that's how some of ourdesigns have actually cropped up
, where people have said couldyou try this?
And we've gone yeah, let's trythat.
One of our electrodes, the MJ,is actually designed.
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It's a combination of a smalltorpedo and a flange base, but
it was suggested by one of ourcouple of our testing who
basically said we like the baseand we like the head from the
torpedo small torpedo, can youcombine them?
The answer was yes, we tried itand that's where the MJ came
from and that's why it's calledthe MJ.
It's named after their initials.
We've talked about electrodesize and unfortunately for a lot
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of people, sizing is the thingthey go for.
They immediately think that ifit's larger, if it's bigger,
then it must be better.
And the simple answer is whenit comes to Eastim electrodes,
the answer is it isn't Eastimelectrodes.
Now what's an E-Stim electrode?
If you haven't heard theprevious podcast then you might
not know.
Basically, we as a company, wemanufacture E-Stim kit and
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E-Stim electrodes, and E-Stim isbasically using electricity to
stimulate the body.
We take a power box, we connectit up to an electrode, you
insert the electrode or attachit to your body in some way, we
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charge it up and you getstimulation from the electricity
passing through.
That's how it works.
It sounds really scary, but ifyou haven't tried it, try it.
However, eastim electrodes havetwo or possibly three main
criteria to create an electrode.
Firstly, you need to havecontact points.
Now most of our electrodes arewhat we call bipolar, so they
have two contact points.
Generally that tends to be thehead of the electrode and the
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base of the electrode, with aninsulator in the middle.
Now the critical things here interms of sensation are firstly,
generally how big the electrodewill give you that fullness
feeling.
So if you've got a massiveelectrode and you're used to
having massive insertables, thena larger electrode will
probably work better for youbecause you're going to have
that fullness feeling before youplug anything in.
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But then you also need to takeinto consideration what's
driving the electrode.
So if you're using lower endTENS units or some smaller power
boxes, the surface area of theelectrode will cause an issue.
The more surface area, thelarger the electrode, the larger
the surface area, and it's thesurface area that actually
contacts the body, that givesyou that conductive area for the
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current to pass.
The second most important thingis the separation between the
head and the neck, which isbasically the size of the
insulator.
Now, all of our electrodesgenerally are what we call a top
to bottom design.
You will find othermanufacturers doing a side to
side design.
So they'll have a conductor,they'll have a piece of
insulator and then they'll havea second conductor and it'll be
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a side to side design.
So if you look at it, it goesfrom left to right or right to
left, depending on how you lookat it, but our designs go top to
bottom.
The reason for that is why dothey do left to right?
Don't know.
They chose that design.
We chose our design because itworks.
Firstly, it's easy for us tomanufacture and we came up with
the design of the top to bottomand the way of assembling it and
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the way it's constructed,despite the fact that someone
recently has produced, let's say, a direct copy of one of our
electrodes.
Thank you very much, but if youwant the real one, come to us.
The front to back or the top tobottom design basically allows
you to have current flowing intothe body through the spink to
if you can use it annually andround the vaginal and labia area
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.
So you end up with, almostdepending on the program modes
you use and depending on thepower box, you can potentially
get something called ghostfucking.
Now, ghost fucking for a lot ofpeople is the nirvana of E-Stim
.
It's what they're trying toachieve and basically you pass a
pulsed voltage through thesystem and you feel as if you're
being fucked.
You can feel the electrodegoing in and out.
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It's not necessarily going inand out, although sometimes, if
you look closely, you canactually see the muscles
contracting and that draws theelectrode in slightly and then
draws it back out and draws itin.
But if you can imagine someoneholding the electrode and
pushing in and out, that's ghostfucking.
And to have that done from apower box, as opposed to your
partner or yourself pushing itout, is quite an interesting
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sensation.
It's quite unusual to get thatfrom the side-to-side designs of
electrodes, which is the reasonwe don't do side-to-side.
Also, we just never got on withside-to-side.
When we first started we had acouple of electrodes that did
have side-to-side contacts.
The infamous one was called aVeri Probe, which was actually a
medical electrode used forvaginal tightening, and it just
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never really worked.
I mean, it worked and we soldlots of them because they were
cheap, but it didn't really giveme anything.
And for my partner and I don'tknow the test team it was like,
yeah, it's one of those.
Which is why we drifted awayfrom that concept and moved
towards the front to back, andvirtually every electrode we do
certainly all the bipolarelectrodes we do have that front
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to back design.
One of the other benefits of thefront to back design is because
of its construction.
It can be taken apart so youcan unscrew it all into its
component parts and then cleanthem.
Now, from the electrode that weoffer with a lifetime guarantee
and all of our insertables havelifetime guarantees to have the
ability to unscrew it and thenclean it.
Perfect, that's what you want.
You want to be able to cleanthese electrodes.
The problem with electrodesthat are glued together or
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sealed up in some way is, overtime, they're gonna degrade,
they're gonna delaminate,they're just they're not gonna
last as long, which is why youcan't offer a lifetime guarantee
on an electrode that's stucktogether.
Now we have gone a little bitfurther into electrode design.
We now do electro eggs whichare fully insertable and they
have a cable that is embeddedinside the egg.
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You basically insert the eggfully and then you pull the
cable out.
And you pull the electrode outand when we first designed that
people were like, oh, that's areally bad design.
What happens if it gets stuck?
Well, the answer is we put 16kilos of diving lead onto the
end of that cable and it didn'tbreak and it didn't come out of
the egg.
So you've got to withstand 16kilos of pull or try and retain
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16 kilos of pull.
If you can do that, then it'sgonna be an issue.
No human being can do that,unless you're one of these
people who sort of does trapezeoff your teeth, or off your
vagina in this case, or Uranus.
Having a cable that canwithstand 16 kilos of pull, that
electrode is gonna come out.
It's not gonna be an issue.
And talking about our otherelectrodes, all of our
insertables are designed in aparticular way, so they aren't
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designed necessarily to go allthe way in.
They generally have a neck andthe idea of the neck is it goes
in and your body naturally thengrips around the neck area.
Firstly, that gives you theideal position for stimulation,
but equally, it stops it goingin too far.
Yes, if you push one of ourelectrodes in too far, you can
get it to go all the way in, soyou could theoretically get it
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to disappear.
We've been doing this for 20years.
I know of one person who'sdeliberately done it and it came
out.
A lot of people will look atsome of these electrodes and go,
oh, this is gonna be reallydangerous.
What happens if it gets stuck?
And the answer to that is,firstly, relax, don't panic.
If you think about it From anannual perspective, that is the
area where stuff comes out of.
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Your body is naturally going topush against it.
Your body is naturally going topush whatever you've pushed in
out, especially with ourelectrodes, which are designed
with rounded edges.
They're designed to be incontact with the human body.
There's no sharp edges there.
There's no sharp corners.
It's not as if you're stickingsomething inappropriate from,
like a kitchen utensil.
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It is an insertable electrodethat is designed to be inserted
into the body.
It's not going to be a problem.
The first thing is don't panic.
And if you really really haveto go to A&E again, don't panic,
because they've probably seeneverything.
In fact I know they've seeneverything.
I once went to a hospital museum.
It was almost a museum ofhorrors and one of the things
that in this museum was an oldfashioned oven handle, which was
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a big silvery handle and it waslike what's this?
And attached to this label wasa statement was removed from a
gentleman's posterior.
A guy had basically stuck anoven handle up his ass and it
had to be removed.
I wouldn't suggest you stickoven handles or oven utensils up
your bottom Eastin electrodes.
That's what they're designed todo.
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They're designed for vaginaluse.
They're designed for anal use.
If they go in too far, relax,don't push them too far.
But if they do go in too far,you've got slippery fingers.
Just relax, breathe, they willcome out.
There's no panic there.
Talking about panic and talkingabout inserting, we do an E-Stim
sound.
Now a sound is slightlydifferent to a normal E-Stim
electrode.
Now we used to do a sounddesign that had a sleeve on the
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handle which gave you a littlebit of insulated area to touch,
and we had a gentleman from theStates who contacted us quite
concerned because he had beenplaying with the sound.
He was now concerned that thissleeve had disappeared.
He felt that this sleeve hadbeen pushed down his penis and
was now in his bladder, and hewas about to go to A&E.
The first thing you do when youhave a customer contact you
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like that is you express concernbecause this sounds quite
serious.
And then you start to thinkabout what this sleeve was made
of, and the answer was thesleeve was made of plastic, but
it's like, really, you thinkthat you've managed to push this
down into your bladder, downthe urethra, which is a really
sensitive tube.
It was described to me once ashaving the consistency of wet
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tissue paper.
It's not something that you'reeasily going to push down, and
it was a case of yeah, I'mreally sorry to say this, but
I'm a little bit concerned.
I don't think this has happened.
Could you possibly check aroundwhere you were playing Maybe
check any wipes or paper towelsor anything like that and about
20 minutes later we get amessage back saying, oh, thank
you so much.
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Thank you, thank you, Thank you.
I found the sleeve in a papertowel and it was like phew, yes,
you don't need to go to A&E,the sleeve wasn't going to come
off and go down your urethra.
Yes, he was going to come off,but you would have felt it
gained any real rethra and itwould have been very, very, very
uncomfortable.
Now, some people like the factthat it's really uncomfortable,
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but you would have noticed it.
I mean it was about an inchlong.
It's something you definitelywould have noticed.
Sizing of electrodes generallyis based around inches in
diameter and then the length,and we sometimes talk about
insertable length.
Overall length is the overalllength of the electrode.
Insertable length is the amountof the electrode that is
supposed to go in.
So again, don't push it too far.
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It's not designed to go all theway in, unless it's an egg when
it is designed to go all theway in.
In terms of diameter, we givean inch diameter because most
people hopefully know what twoinches in diameter is, most
people know what three inches,most people know what one inch
is.
In terms of electrode size, theMona tends to be the most
common electrode.
It's certainly our most popular.
You're looking at a flange base.
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The base is slightly largerthan, say, a small torpedo and
it's quite a pronounced flange.
So again, there's that flangeto prevent it from being pushed
in too far and the head is aboutan inch and a half and for most
people that's perfect.
If you want something to start,if you're looking for something
that's you just don't know whatyou like, the answer is go for
a flange.
The flange has the same flangebase but it has a smaller head.
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The head is an inch diameter,which is about the size of a
male thumb.
That gives you a good startingpoint.
We do more specialized versions, we do the classic electrodes,
which the smallest one isliterally about the size of your
thumb and it's designed justfor your spink to muscle.
And then you get into thelarger stuff, like the torpedo
family, the magnums.
We do deviance, which are arippled head.
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The benefit of a rippled headmeans that when you push it in
and out you actually get thesensation just from the ripples
in the head, and that's beforeyou even plug it in.
One other thing about electrodesbecause we manufacture all of
our electrodes from metal.
In fact we use aircraft gradealuminium, generally with
stainless steel fixtures.
One of the reasons is becauseit's easy to clean, it's durable
, easy to machine, but it's ametal and the nice thing is it
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warms up and it cools down, soyou can add a little bit of
spice if you warm it up slightly, and equally, you can add a
little bit of spice if you coolit down.
One thing I would say if you'regoing to start warming things
up and cooling things down,whatever you do, please don't
use radiant heat.
So don't get them really,really hot, because you will
burn yourself, you will causedamage.
And equally, don't freeze them,because again you can get
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freezer burns.
It's increased the temperaturevery slightly rather than
sticking it in the freezer forthree hours and it comes out as
a popsicle.
So that's about it.
I think I've covered virtuallyeverything I can think of in
terms of electrodes.
What have I missed?
Connecting them, connectingelectrodes to power boxes.
Generally, we use fourmillimetre connectors.
A lot of other manufacturerswill use 10 pins.
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Why do we use four millimetreconnectors?
The simple answer is they'remore robust.
We want a connector that'sgoing to go in and out, in and
out, in and out hundreds oftimes.
You stick a 10 pin intosomething 500 times and it's
going to snap at some point andit just.
They just don't work for us.
So again, we used the solidfour millimetre initially banana
plugs, but now we have themcustom made for us.
We even do low profile versions.
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So there's a low profileconnector on the power box and
there's also low profileconnectors that go into the
electrodes.
This means you can insert theelectrodes and sit on them if
you wish.
If you're not sure about whatsort of connectors to use, just
give us a ping.
That's what we're here for.
We've got cables and we've gotadapters that cover virtually
every single power box inexistence.
We've got much of them in theoffice.
We buy them and poke them andsee how bad they are.
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If you need a connector for aparticular box, just give us a
shout.
That's what we're here for.
Anyway, hopefully that's givenyou a little bit of insight into
the world of e-STIM electrodes.
We will probably cover them inother podcasts.
We're certainly going to lookat how we design electrodes and
there's a few other ideascropping up.
But if you have any questionsor queries, then please don't
hesitate to contact us.
Contact details are in thestory notes for the podcast,
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and thanks for listening.
Bye.
Hello, this is Wayne from E-Stim Systems and welcome to
my podcast.
I Make Sex Toys.
Why is it called I Make SexToys?
The simple answer is because Imake sex toys and I've been
running a business for the last20 years making sex toys.
Join me as I delve into theintricacies of running a
business within the adultindustry.
Welcome to sizes and everything.
(00:26):
Now, when it comes to sex toys,the one thing people first think
about is size.
How big are sex toys and howbig are the sex toys that I make
?
And the simple answer isthey're not as big as some
people think.
The smallest we do is about aninch.
The largest we do is theDecimator.
That is four inches in diameterand weighs 3.6 kilos and is at
(00:48):
the moment, as far as we know,it's the world's largest
commercially produced E-Stimelectrode.
It's a whopper of a beast and Iguarantee that most people will
look at it and go.
There is no way that this goesinside someone, but I guarantee
that it does go inside somepeople.
Where do we get the idea of thedecimator?
Well, as lots and lots ofcompanies do, we had an idea at
(01:09):
the beginning of our inceptionto produce an electrode that was
almost a display piece.
You sometimes go intoexhibitions and shops where
you'll see a giant telephone andit was something along those
lines.
It was let's create somethingthat nobody's actually going to
buy this as a one off piece.
It's going to be big and givespeople something to talk about.
And we actually createdsomething called the OMG.
(01:30):
Now what does OMG stand for?
Oh my God, it's that simple.
That's what OMG stands for.
Now, the OMG is three inches indiameter.
It's quite a beast.
When we first started, it wasthe biggest electrode we did.
The strange thing was, when wedid events, people would come up
and say how much is it?
And it was like we hadn'treally priced it because this
(01:51):
was supposed to be one off.
So we gave them a price andthey turned around and said,
yeah, I'll have one.
So we sold the first OMG.
So we had to build another one,and then another one and
another one, and that's actuallysounds like a lot of the things
our company does.
We start building one as a oneoff and then more and more
people come along and buy it andyou end up producing it.
And now, strange enough, theOMG is made in the 10s.
(02:11):
It's quite a popular electrode.
As I say, it's not the world'slargest electrode, but it's a
popular electrode.
So where did the decimator comefrom?
Well, when you're in asituation where your electrode
that was going to be a one offis a good seller, then you have
to come up with something evenbigger, and that's where the
decimator came from.
The reason it's four inches indiameter was originally that was
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the largest we could fit ontoone of our machines.
It was actually a machine byhand in a lathe and that was the
capacity of the lathe.
Four inches in diameter, it wasa bit of a beast.
Could we make something largernow?
Yeah, we could.
I'm not sure we're going tobecause the decimator for most
people is too big, although westill sell probably one or two a
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month.
You sometimes wonder if you'reselling them to Prodom so they
can put them on the shelf andscare their subs.
But people do buy it and itworks.
Whilst we're on the subject ofcustom electrodes, we generally
don't do custom electrodesanymore.
We used to do custom electrodeswhen we first started because
to a certain extent, that was usexperimenting with what people
were actually asking for.
And there was a very nicegentleman at I believe it was
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the BBB, which is the BirminghamBazaar Bazaar, which 20 odd
years later, is still going.
So if you ever want to go to afetish fair in Birmingham in the
UK, not Birmingham in Alabama,Birmingham, uk BBB fantastic
place to go and still got quitea lot of friends who still trade
there.
Brilliant place.
That's one of the places wherewe started.
Anyway, getting back to thestory, this gentleman approached
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us and said he wanted a sound.
Now, sounds are something thatis designed to go down the
urethra of your penis.
It's a metal rod.
Personally, quite frankly, theyscared the hell out of me.
Sounding is something that I donot have any compulsion to try.
However, I do have people on myteam who love sounds, which is
where the sound designs camefrom.
However, this gentleman wantedus to do a custom sound for him
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and the answer was yes, whatwould you like?
He wanted 16 millimeters indiameter, which is about the
size of my thumb, so quite alarge diameter, and he wanted it
16 inches long.
Now, bear in mind, our normalsound is about eight millimeters
in diameter and 175 millimeterslong.
16 inches, which is over a foot, is a big, hefty sound, and I
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wasn't quite sure whether he wasbullshitting, whether he really
understood what he was askingfor, but I was prepared to go
along with it.
So we agreed a price and hepaid for it, which, if you're
ever doing custom things forpeople, always try and get some
form of payment upfront, becauseunfortunately some people will
at the last minute turn aroundand go oh no, I don't want it,
and you've spent all that timeand effort producing a custom
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item.
So we came to an agreement andI made it and I was quite
shocked because it was biggerthan even I thought and I knew
what the sizing was.
We were driving back to the BBB,because the idea was that he
placed the order at one month.
The next BBB that we attended.
We would give it to him on thenext one.
And he turned up and when weshowed it to him he was like
that's exactly what I want.
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I was like phew, thank God forthat.
This thing was 16 inches longand it was 16 millimetres in
diameter and it had ridges on it, because we do something called
a dipstick, so we put a ridgeevery inch or so down.
The idea is so you can see howfar it's going down and it looks
nice.
This thing was massive and hetook hold of it and he was like,
yep, that's exactly what I want.
And we're like, really, this,you're planning to use this, not
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as an anal insertable, but youcan use down your penis.
And he was like, yeah, yeah,I've got 26 piercings.
Okay, certainly, he wasdefinitely into the piercings,
but he loved it and that was acustom item that we made.
Why do we not do custom itemsnow?
Now we do get asked for customitems.
We commonly have people saying,oh, can you take a, a mona, and
can you adapt it, or can youchange the size or can you make
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the next longer?
And the simple answer is wesimply do not have time.
Firstly, virtually everythingnow is made in all CNC machines.
Now, cnc machines,their benefit is they can mass
produce.
They can say mass produce, thatsounds bad.
They can produce lots of asingle item Once they're
programmed.
The problem is you've got toprogram them to do that and that
takes time.
But typically we could bespending 10 to 15 minutes doing
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a setup and that's where theitem that we know works If it's
for something that's new.
So when we're prototyping onthem and I will talk about how
we prototype in a later podcast.
But if we're prototyping onthem it can take up to an hour
two hours sometimes to setthings up, get the tooling right
, and that's just not practicalwhen we're running a business.
It's not practical from acustom perspective.
If I turn around to a customerand say, yeah, I can give you a
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custom mona with a differenthead, but it's going to cost you
300 pounds for a single item,they'll quite rightly just laugh
and walk away when you can buya mona for under 100 pounds.
Simple answer is custom items.
When you get into production,like us, we just don't have the
capacity to do it.
We don't have the time.
Sometimes people just don'tunderstand that.
It's just a fact of life.
I'm sorry we can't do customitems.
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We do always listen to peoplewhen they suggest custom
modifications, for the simplereason that if we get two or
three people asking for the samething, you start to wonder is
there an opportunity for us toproduce it?
Is there a reason they'reasking for a shorter one or a
fatter one or a larger one?
We always pride ourselves onlistening to customers and when
they say can we have somethingthat's different to what you
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currently have, we'll look at itand go.
Well, there's more than oneperson asking this.
Now there's three people askingthis, now there's four or five
people asking this.
Okay, let's put this intoinitially small production and
see how it goes.
And that's how some of ourdesigns have actually cropped up
, where people have said couldyou try this?
And we've gone yeah, let's trythat.
One of our electrodes, the MJ,is actually designed.
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It's a combination of a smalltorpedo and a flange base, but
it was suggested by one of ourcouple of our testing who
basically said we like the baseand we like the head from the
torpedo small torpedo, can youcombine them?
The answer was yes, we tried itand that's where the MJ came
from and that's why it's calledthe MJ.
It's named after their initials.
We've talked about electrodesize and unfortunately for a lot
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of people, sizing is the thingthey go for.
They immediately think that ifit's larger, if it's bigger,
then it must be better.
And the simple answer is whenit comes to Eastim electrodes,
the answer is it isn't Eastimelectrodes.
Now what's an E-Stim electrode?
If you haven't heard theprevious podcast then you might
not know.
Basically, we as a company, wemanufacture E-Stim kit and
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E-Stim electrodes, and E-Stim isbasically using electricity to
stimulate the body.
We take a power box, we connectit up to an electrode, you
insert the electrode or attachit to your body in some way, we
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charge it up and you getstimulation from the electricity
passing through.
That's how it works.
It sounds really scary, but ifyou haven't tried it, try it.
However, eastim electrodes havetwo or possibly three main
criteria to create an electrode.
Firstly, you need to havecontact points.
Now most of our electrodes arewhat we call bipolar, so they
have two contact points.
Generally that tends to be thehead of the electrode and the
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base of the electrode, with aninsulator in the middle.
Now the critical things here interms of sensation are firstly,
generally how big the electrodewill give you that fullness
feeling.
So if you've got a massiveelectrode and you're used to
having massive insertables, thena larger electrode will
probably work better for youbecause you're going to have
that fullness feeling before youplug anything in.
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But then you also need to takeinto consideration what's
driving the electrode.
So if you're using lower endTENS units or some smaller power
boxes, the surface area of theelectrode will cause an issue.
The more surface area, thelarger the electrode, the larger
the surface area, and it's thesurface area that actually
contacts the body, that givesyou that conductive area for the
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current to pass.
The second most important thingis the separation between the
head and the neck, which isbasically the size of the
insulator.
Now, all of our electrodesgenerally are what we call a top
to bottom design.
You will find othermanufacturers doing a side to
side design.
So they'll have a conductor,they'll have a piece of
insulator and then they'll havea second conductor and it'll be
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a side to side design.
So if you look at it, it goesfrom left to right or right to
left, depending on how you lookat it, but our designs go top to
bottom.
The reason for that is why dothey do left to right?
Don't know.
They chose that design.
We chose our design because itworks.
Firstly, it's easy for us tomanufacture and we came up with
the design of the top to bottomand the way of assembling it and
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the way it's constructed,despite the fact that someone
recently has produced, let's say, a direct copy of one of our
electrodes.
Thank you very much, but if youwant the real one, come to us.
The front to back or the top tobottom design basically allows
you to have current flowing intothe body through the spink to
if you can use it annually andround the vaginal and labia area
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.
So you end up with, almostdepending on the program modes
you use and depending on thepower box, you can potentially
get something called ghostfucking.
Now, ghost fucking for a lot ofpeople is the nirvana of E-Stim
.
It's what they're trying toachieve and basically you pass a
pulsed voltage through thesystem and you feel as if you're
being fucked.
You can feel the electrodegoing in and out.
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It's not necessarily going inand out, although sometimes, if
you look closely, you canactually see the muscles
contracting and that draws theelectrode in slightly and then
draws it back out and draws itin.
But if you can imagine someoneholding the electrode and
pushing in and out, that's ghostfucking.
And to have that done from apower box, as opposed to your
partner or yourself pushing itout, is quite an interesting
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sensation.
It's quite unusual to get thatfrom the side-to-side designs of
electrodes, which is the reasonwe don't do side-to-side.
Also, we just never got on withside-to-side.
When we first started we had acouple of electrodes that did
have side-to-side contacts.
The infamous one was called aVeri Probe, which was actually a
medical electrode used forvaginal tightening, and it just
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never really worked.
I mean, it worked and we soldlots of them because they were
cheap, but it didn't really giveme anything.
And for my partner and I don'tknow the test team it was like,
yeah, it's one of those.
Which is why we drifted awayfrom that concept and moved
towards the front to back, andvirtually every electrode we do
certainly all the bipolarelectrodes we do have that front
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to back design.
One of the other benefits of thefront to back design is because
of its construction.
It can be taken apart so youcan unscrew it all into its
component parts and then cleanthem.
Now, from the electrode that weoffer with a lifetime guarantee
and all of our insertables havelifetime guarantees to have the
ability to unscrew it and thenclean it.
Perfect, that's what you want.
You want to be able to cleanthese electrodes.
The problem with electrodesthat are glued together or
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sealed up in some way is, overtime, they're gonna degrade,
they're gonna delaminate,they're just they're not gonna
last as long, which is why youcan't offer a lifetime guarantee
on an electrode that's stucktogether.
Now we have gone a little bitfurther into electrode design.
We now do electro eggs whichare fully insertable and they
have a cable that is embeddedinside the egg.
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You basically insert the eggfully and then you pull the
cable out.
And you pull the electrode outand when we first designed that
people were like, oh, that's areally bad design.
What happens if it gets stuck?
Well, the answer is we put 16kilos of diving lead onto the
end of that cable and it didn'tbreak and it didn't come out of
the egg.
So you've got to withstand 16kilos of pull or try and retain
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16 kilos of pull.
If you can do that, then it'sgonna be an issue.
No human being can do that,unless you're one of these
people who sort of does trapezeoff your teeth, or off your
vagina in this case, or Uranus.
Having a cable that canwithstand 16 kilos of pull, that
electrode is gonna come out.
It's not gonna be an issue.
And talking about our otherelectrodes, all of our
insertables are designed in aparticular way, so they aren't
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designed necessarily to go allthe way in.
They generally have a neck andthe idea of the neck is it goes
in and your body naturally thengrips around the neck area.
Firstly, that gives you theideal position for stimulation,
but equally, it stops it goingin too far.
Yes, if you push one of ourelectrodes in too far, you can
get it to go all the way in, soyou could theoretically get it
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to disappear.
We've been doing this for 20years.
I know of one person who'sdeliberately done it and it came
out.
A lot of people will look atsome of these electrodes and go,
oh, this is gonna be reallydangerous.
What happens if it gets stuck?
And the answer to that is,firstly, relax, don't panic.
If you think about it From anannual perspective, that is the
area where stuff comes out of.
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Your body is naturally going topush against it.
Your body is naturally going topush whatever you've pushed in
out, especially with ourelectrodes, which are designed
with rounded edges.
They're designed to be incontact with the human body.
There's no sharp edges there.
There's no sharp corners.
It's not as if you're stickingsomething inappropriate from,
like a kitchen utensil.
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It is an insertable electrodethat is designed to be inserted
into the body.
It's not going to be a problem.
The first thing is don't panic.
And if you really really haveto go to A&E again, don't panic,
because they've probably seeneverything.
In fact I know they've seeneverything.
I once went to a hospital museum.
It was almost a museum ofhorrors and one of the things
that in this museum was an oldfashioned oven handle, which was
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a big silvery handle and it waslike what's this?
And attached to this label wasa statement was removed from a
gentleman's posterior.
A guy had basically stuck anoven handle up his ass and it
had to be removed.
I wouldn't suggest you stickoven handles or oven utensils up
your bottom Eastin electrodes.
That's what they're designed todo.
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They're designed for vaginaluse.
They're designed for anal use.
If they go in too far, relax,don't push them too far.
But if they do go in too far,you've got slippery fingers.
Just relax, breathe, they willcome out.
There's no panic there.
Talking about panic and talkingabout inserting, we do an E-Stim
sound.
Now a sound is slightlydifferent to a normal E-Stim
electrode.
Now we used to do a sounddesign that had a sleeve on the
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handle which gave you a littlebit of insulated area to touch,
and we had a gentleman from theStates who contacted us quite
concerned because he had beenplaying with the sound.
He was now concerned that thissleeve had disappeared.
He felt that this sleeve hadbeen pushed down his penis and
was now in his bladder, and hewas about to go to A&E.
The first thing you do when youhave a customer contact you
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like that is you express concernbecause this sounds quite
serious.
And then you start to thinkabout what this sleeve was made
of, and the answer was thesleeve was made of plastic, but
it's like, really, you thinkthat you've managed to push this
down into your bladder, downthe urethra, which is a really
sensitive tube.
It was described to me once ashaving the consistency of wet
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tissue paper.
It's not something that you'reeasily going to push down, and
it was a case of yeah, I'mreally sorry to say this, but
I'm a little bit concerned.
I don't think this has happened.
Could you possibly check aroundwhere you were playing Maybe
check any wipes or paper towelsor anything like that and about
20 minutes later we get amessage back saying, oh, thank
you so much.
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Thank you, thank you, Thank you.
I found the sleeve in a papertowel and it was like phew, yes,
you don't need to go to A&E,the sleeve wasn't going to come
off and go down your urethra.
Yes, he was going to come off,but you would have felt it
gained any real rethra and itwould have been very, very, very
uncomfortable.
Now, some people like the factthat it's really uncomfortable,
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but you would have noticed it.
I mean it was about an inchlong.
It's something you definitelywould have noticed.
Sizing of electrodes generallyis based around inches in
diameter and then the length,and we sometimes talk about
insertable length.
Overall length is the overalllength of the electrode.
Insertable length is the amountof the electrode that is
supposed to go in.
So again, don't push it too far.
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It's not designed to go all theway in, unless it's an egg when
it is designed to go all theway in.
In terms of diameter, we givean inch diameter because most
people hopefully know what twoinches in diameter is, most
people know what three inches,most people know what one inch
is.
In terms of electrode size, theMona tends to be the most
common electrode.
It's certainly our most popular.
You're looking at a flange base.
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The base is slightly largerthan, say, a small torpedo and
it's quite a pronounced flange.
So again, there's that flangeto prevent it from being pushed
in too far and the head is aboutan inch and a half and for most
people that's perfect.
If you want something to start,if you're looking for something
that's you just don't know whatyou like, the answer is go for
a flange.
The flange has the same flangebase but it has a smaller head.
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The head is an inch diameter,which is about the size of a
male thumb.
That gives you a good startingpoint.
We do more specialized versions, we do the classic electrodes,
which the smallest one isliterally about the size of your
thumb and it's designed justfor your spink to muscle.
And then you get into thelarger stuff, like the torpedo
family, the magnums.
We do deviance, which are arippled head.
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The benefit of a rippled headmeans that when you push it in
and out you actually get thesensation just from the ripples
in the head, and that's beforeyou even plug it in.
One other thing about electrodesbecause we manufacture all of
our electrodes from metal.
In fact we use aircraft gradealuminium, generally with
stainless steel fixtures.
One of the reasons is becauseit's easy to clean, it's durable
, easy to machine, but it's ametal and the nice thing is it
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warms up and it cools down, soyou can add a little bit of
spice if you warm it up slightly, and equally, you can add a
little bit of spice if you coolit down.
One thing I would say if you'regoing to start warming things
up and cooling things down,whatever you do, please don't
use radiant heat.
So don't get them really,really hot, because you will
burn yourself, you will causedamage.
And equally, don't freeze them,because again you can get
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freezer burns.
It's increased the temperaturevery slightly rather than
sticking it in the freezer forthree hours and it comes out as
a popsicle.
So that's about it.
I think I've covered virtuallyeverything I can think of in
terms of electrodes.
What have I missed?
Connecting them, connectingelectrodes to power boxes.
Generally, we use fourmillimetre connectors.
A lot of other manufacturerswill use 10 pins.
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Why do we use four millimetreconnectors?
The simple answer is they'remore robust.
We want a connector that'sgoing to go in and out, in and
out, in and out hundreds oftimes.
You stick a 10 pin intosomething 500 times and it's
going to snap at some point andit just.
They just don't work for us.
So again, we used the solidfour millimetre initially banana
plugs, but now we have themcustom made for us.
We even do low profile versions.
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So there's a low profileconnector on the power box and
there's also low profileconnectors that go into the
electrodes.
This means you can insert theelectrodes and sit on them if
you wish.
If you're not sure about whatsort of connectors to use, just
give us a ping.
That's what we're here for.
We've got cables and we've gotadapters that cover virtually
every single power box inexistence.
We've got much of them in theoffice.
We buy them and poke them andsee how bad they are.
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If you need a connector for aparticular box, just give us a
shout.
That's what we're here for.
Anyway, hopefully that's givenyou a little bit of insight into
the world of e-STIM electrodes.
We will probably cover them inother podcasts.
We're certainly going to lookat how we design electrodes and
there's a few other ideascropping up.
But if you have any questionsor queries, then please don't
hesitate to contact us.
Contact details are in thestory notes for the podcast,
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don't forget.
Please do the usual things.
Follow us on your favoritepodcast channel.
Please consider giving us areview.
We've only just started doingthese podcasts and it's actually
quite fun.
I'm literally here in thestudio with a big microphone
chatting for half an hour andit's quite good fun.
Whatever you do, please enjoyyourself, have fun and be safe,
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and thanks for listening.
Bye.
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