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(00:56):
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Yeah.
But before we get to that, you,sir?
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Exhaust extraordinaire thismorning.
Oh.

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Exhaust, huh?
Trying to.
Exhausting.
And that's Scott Brown.
Yes.
Old doc.
Part of our process this morningwas that we went with our
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got First, with good morning.
That's my winter winter noise.
Sure.
Then Daddy Jeep says you'reearly, but good morning.
And then he said hi to JoeO'Brien.
Billy Joe says good morning.
We got Nate saying good morning.
Geoga Jeeper saying goodmorning.
Jeannie saying hi, everyone.
Hope you had a great weekend.

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Photo Eye Park saying hi fromSan Antonio.
And I probably butchered thepronunciation of that.
I'm sorry.
And

SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
Not just me doing accents for folks around the
world.

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Yeah.
Nate is saying, we can hear youagain.
Daddy Jeep says, we hear you.
Jeannie said, glad to have voicethis time.
Joe says, everything is working.
Everybody's so surprised we did

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(04:45):
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It's not about how big it is.
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as we have been doing for thepast year or so.
If you're interested in what'shappening in our personal lives,
stay tuned through the outrocredits.
We will share with you then.
Today, we are going to betalking about oil specifically,
something I'm definitely kindof, you know, I like to nerd out

(06:53):
on and we'll be giving a prettyinteresting overview over oil.
lubrication, if you will.
You are passionate about lube.
I am passionate about lube.
Guys, just remember, this is notour After Hours episode that we
keep planning.
We keep planning it.
This should have been our AfterHours.

SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
Holy cow.
Because I

SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
don't know that I'm going to make it through.
Nate, talking

SPEAKER_02 (07:17):
about lube.
Nope, we're going to go tocomments.
Nate says, only 20 days untilTrail Hero and 30 days until the
premiere of

SPEAKER_03 (07:24):
Trail Hero X.
Yes, and And I believe Nate willbe on that video series.
On HeroX, right?
Yes.
So tune in, and you'll get tosee himself, his family, and the
other participants.

SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
I'm not going to lie.
I'm pretty excited to see that,especially knowing Nate.
He's been in the shop.
We've had him in a couple times.
He brought us donuts.
He's our almost always numberone commenter.

SPEAKER_03 (07:57):
Yep, yep.
Super cool stuff there, and welook forward to that.
I mean, off-road content is coolno matter where it's coming
from, and so looking forward tothat.
Trail Hero is a great event andorganization, it appears.

SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Yeah, and he was very hush-hush.
He followed his contract.
He's not allowed to talk aboutit, so he left us hanging.
I was hoping he'd give us someinsider.
He wouldn't.
Nope,

SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
nope.
So best of luck as that seriespremieres.
Since it is our first live fromSmoky Mountain, I do want to
address a gift from the ownersof Cookie Monster and the
Minion.
We got this really sweet duckyfour-wheel drive signage.

(08:39):
That's cool.
And a really nice heavy-dutymagnet.
Feel that magnet.
It looks like a heavy magnet.
Right?
I mean, you could clock somebodywith that.
And it says, Jeep, anything butordinary.
I appreciate the gifts, and Ilike to recognize people when
and how they share with us.

SPEAKER_02 (08:55):
I feel like the four-wheel drive sign is going
to have to get hung somewhere.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (08:58):
absolutely.
Absolutely.
So thank you, Jeannie and Jeff,for those gifts and thinking of
us during that event.
With that said, we had someinteresting information, which I
would like to share out to theworld now and kind of our first
and foremost confirmation.
We've signed on the dotted lineand a congratulations to the mad

(09:22):
scientist, because we havehashtag not arrested.
which will be a feature buildwithin the Crown Automotive
booth at SEMA 2025.
They have a beautiful peninsulabooth space, and they will be
showcasing that build within theconvention center as kind of a

(09:47):
prime example for it.

UNKNOWN (09:50):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (09:52):
He gets some applause.
Was that rain?
That was absolutely rain.
That did sound kind of likerain.
I agree.
I love the soundboard.
I just...
But do you?
Are you sure?
I think Jeff is listening tothings in his ears right now and
he's trying to do producerstuff.

(10:12):
No, I wasn't.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
I was just reading the different sound

SPEAKER_03 (10:15):
effects.
Oh, he's reading the soundeffects.
Oh, dear.
It was super intense.
So look forward to moreconversation about that as we
get closer to getting that Jeepout to sunny Las Vegas in about
two months.

SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
Yep, that Jeep has...
Traveled quite a bit thanks tothe show circuit that it's been
on, so it's pretty exciting.
Obviously, it was at SmokyMountain and right on the corner
as well, so it's pretty awesome.
The owner is on Cloud9, as heshould be.

SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
Yep, yep.
It's a build worthy of all theaccolades it's receiving.
And if you're unfamiliar withit, there's a whole bunch of
videos out there about it.
There was a really cool viralrolling video we did right
before we went to that was funsmoky uh the funniest thing is
just so everybody's on the samepage i mean we were so

(11:12):
professional because we have arolling rig you know the savage
has bought you know a specialarm that attaches to jeff's jeep
and jeff's out there as uh asour numero uno wheel man and
we're doing cattywampus closedcourse yeah

SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
maneuvers

SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
and and and the guys went so far as they hooked me up
with a set of headphones on awalkie talkie because you know
so the ability for Savage toweigh in and say hey this is I
need you to move in thisdirection and in 3, 2, 1 I want
you to switch lanes and yadayada there's a lot that goes
into producing that except forhe didn't warn you about the

(11:51):
tree down no no I mean we didalmost collide that

SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
one made me nervous

SPEAKER_03 (11:59):
yeah we actually we almost collided in one of the
shootings on on a kind of a backcountry road.

SPEAKER_00 (12:05):
On a closed course.
On a closed course.
Yeah.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
Just a tree randomly was down on the closed course.

SPEAKER_00 (12:11):
Yes.
I hate it when that happens.

SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
And the funniest thing is, and that video went
viral, and of course, when thathappens, you're going to get all
the humans out of the socialpages, which is whatever.
But they were like, why do youhave headphones on?
You're a sissy, you know?
And I was like...

SPEAKER_02 (12:28):
Oh, yeah, because

SPEAKER_03 (12:28):
they thought

SPEAKER_02 (12:28):
your

SPEAKER_03 (12:29):
ears were cold or something.
Something.
Or like, I

SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
didn't want

SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
to hear the pipes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:33):
I don't know.
Yeah.
And then also, does that reallygo down the

SPEAKER_03 (12:36):
freeway?
Oh, we got, that must be AIbecause Jeeps can't go that fast
down the freeway.
Yep, they can.
Yeah, when they're built right.
I just thought it was so funny.
Nope, it's 100% real.
It was actually, I was wearingheadphones so I could hear the
directions from, you know, thevideography side of things.
The Jeep actually goes, youknow, 70, 80 miles per hour
pretty confidently.
Yeah, the biggest challenge isit's a brick

SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
and wind is not your friend.

SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
Yeah.
Other than that, we're good togo.
Or down trees on it.
on closed courses while Jeffreymakes maneuvers.

SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
You just got to climb over them.
It's a Jeep.

SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
Just fortunately, both of us are pretty good
behind the wheel, and we were

SPEAKER_03 (13:12):
able to avoid that.
Yes, professional drivers.
On the closed course.
On the closed course.
Anywho.
So,

SPEAKER_00 (13:20):
oilage.
Oilage.
Lubrication.
That's what helps the Jeep go 70miles an hour down the freeway.
Black gold.
The right kind of oil helps

SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
the Jeep go that fast.
Texas tea.
Yep.
What happens if it's the wrongyou

SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
know what's cool thing I mean overly overly
overly contextualizing I don'tthink that Titusville
Pennsylvania gets enoughrecognition honestly

SPEAKER_00 (13:49):
I mean we all had the chance I don't know about
Jeff but we all got a chance togo out and look at the well and
kind of experience that as kidsDrake's well

SPEAKER_02 (13:59):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (14:00):
Jeff's fired up for our listening audience and I'm
Nitro.

SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
So fun how they got that oil.

SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
It was always really interesting.
From our listening audience inthe six out of seven continents,
dang you penguins, and themultitude of countries we're in,
we are geographically locatedonly within about an hour of the

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Franklin City, Oil City,Titusville conglomerate, which
is where the discovery of oil atDrake's Well originated.

SPEAKER_01 (14:40):
And

SPEAKER_03 (14:41):
I think that that is so cool.

SPEAKER_00 (14:43):
It's kind of unique because now we have the oil, we
have the steel, we have themanufacturing.
We just almost take it forgranted of sorts.
Grew up with what's the way Iwant to call it?
On the side of the railroad, thesteel iron ore pellets all that

(15:05):
kind of stuff is right in ourbackyard yes so we grew up
around that stuff

SPEAKER_03 (15:10):
I think it's easy it would be easy to take it for
granted equally if you wereelsewhere on the country you
know kind of your peripheries onthe coast if you will oil and
ground minerals might be alittle more foreign to you it
might almost be a littlemysterious whereas for all of us
we recognize the many positiveimplications that crude oil

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discovery had on a region.
Now, as many people know fromDetroit to Pittsburgh up to
Buffalo, if you will, that thisarea is maybe a bygone of the
manufacturing industry, right?
But once a really prominentworld player as far as where

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iron ore and oil was being made,refined and distributed from.
And so we are speaking out intoour global listening audience as
individuals who are located inthis breadbasket of originality,
not just for Jeeps alone, whichI think is very special from,

(16:19):
you know, again, Toledo toButler, but from that original
degree of discovery thatpropelled industrialization into
what we know it to be.

SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
And the best part of that is because of that we have
kind of hometown brands thathonestly I don't know where they
nationwide or not but we havelittle companies that you know
it's not Pennzoil it's notQuaker State it's not that kind
of stuff it's literally Wolf'sHead or Schaefer's or that kind

(16:53):
of stuff that you know let usknow do you know of those brands
because those originated over inPennsylvania right

SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
well Pennzoil obviously did as

SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
well right but they They got bigger and bigger, and
maybe

SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
they don't realize the origin story of those.

(17:33):
found deposits of oil elsewherein much more substantial means.
But when it was discovered inour area, it changed the world
quite literally.

SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
And

SPEAKER_03 (17:48):
so we all understand this product, crude oil, which
is a composition, is a liquefiedremnants of the dinosaurs.
Nope.
Which actually I love because ofa Sinclair oil.
Do you remember Sinclair?

(18:10):
I do.

SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
With their little dino on there.
I have a sign.
And that was actually a misnomerthat people said it was dino
oil, but it actually isn't.

SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
Correct.
Yeah.
But, uh, I still can't get overthe dino blood.
I, I, it's like one of thosethings, like it's ingrained in
me.
Don't let the facts get in theway of a good story.
And that's how I feel.
Right.
Of course we didn't know though.
We didn't understand exactlywhere, uh, oil came from per se.
Um, because of course, up tothat point in time, you know, if
we just thought we call a spadea spade, they were using like

(18:42):
lard composites for fuels, youknow, so whales, seals, other
animals.
Um, you know, we, as a, as asociety, we were repurposing, we
hadn't really, uh, found theseenergy sources yet, you know?
So go ahead and expand upon whatyou might want to.
I

SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
was just at, uh, Obviously, people were always
digging in the ground and thatsort of thing.
And over at Jake's Well, wefinally found kind of oil on
purpose for our use.
And when it first wasdiscovered, we really didn't
know the capabilities and allthe different things we were

(19:25):
going to use it for.
Then kerosene lamps were a bigthing.
I was going to say, really,

SPEAKER_03 (19:29):
we were just fuel oil and kerosene was really the
only thing.
In fact, there were so manybyproducts of oil that were
wasted at that time.

SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
And that's something I don't know many do know or
not.
Gasoline literally was a wasteproduct.
At one time, people, they burnedit off, they dumped it, they
threw it away.
So when cars started using it,it was literally like running
off banana peels.
Oh, cool, this is running offgarbage.

SPEAKER_03 (19:59):
Why is the savage coming back here?

SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
He's popping the door a little to see if we can
improve our internet signalbecause the internet is
glitching for everybody.
But I was just looking as he wascoming back to do that.
We are actually direct connectedto ethernet.
So there is something to do withthe internet.
It has nothing to do withanything on our end.

(20:21):
Conspiracy.
Conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_03 (20:23):
Yeah.
Anyways.
Big oil.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
Mindless to say, while you guys are talking big
oil, I'm over here communicatingwith Davey, with my wife.
We're going to let you keepgoing.
We're going to keep going we arewe are continuing i don't even
know where we're at inconversation that's fine you

SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
keep

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
doing i heard drinks again and

SPEAKER_02 (20:39):
i got excited

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
because we're past that ish so any who's we were
you know originally looking forkerosene uh obviously we needed
some heavy oils for like greaseand lubrication steam uh
locomotives that kind of stuffneeded constant lubrication
correct um so as thingsprogressed more and more uh

(21:01):
scientists looked into like howcan we use more of this product
right and you know kind of put ahundred years of this discovery
in one little chunk we gotplastics we got gasoline we got
grease we got all the kind ofweights of oil diesel fuel
diesel fuel

SPEAKER_03 (21:21):
because I and I can't hammer home enough folks
and for me and the way that mybrain works I need our listening
audience to understand that andI'm going to contextualize
myself I'm perfectly happy toget behind the driver's seat of
a big block or a small block andlet the Eagles fly as much as I

(21:42):
am to get really jazzed up one-automotive technology, right?
See, I prefer medium block.
Uh-huh.
So, you know, I'm willing to getbehind the whole V8s need to be
an appropriate aspect of ourautomotive experience.
But what the world went throughwhen that oil price process

(22:04):
initially happened is what weare living through for
electrification.
It just is what it is.
And we can make all thearguments in the world until
we're blue in the face, and youcan tell me how it's a bad
choice, and this, that, and thethird.
But as a student of history,quite literally...
When they were coming for thehorses.
When they were coming for thehorses, and oil refinement was

(22:26):
not available in the hills ofKentucky...
all the jobs were put out forhorse maintenance.
Correct.
Horse maintenance, stablemaintenance, carriage
maintenance, so on and so forth.
That is what the moment we'reliving through.
It's about context and

SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
perspective.
And the other part I think is sointeresting is talking about how
gasoline cleaned up big citiesfrom manure.
You don't think about that.
You have hundreds of thousandsof horses.
And dead animals.
Of horses.
Yes.
In a day.
Yes.
horse graveyards.
I don't

SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
remember the stats, but that one episode, we talked
about that and how much manureit was.
It was insane.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
And so without getting off on a tirade,
understand that the similaritiesare drastic as oil becomes more
prevalent, the refining processbecomes prevalent.
There was, of course, a numberof people who were just the race
to try and use it for whateverthey could, medicinally or
otherwise.

(23:32):
It's absolutely crazy.
There's a lot of crazy stuff,

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
right?
Literally where snake oil came

SPEAKER_03 (23:37):
from.
Correct.
To a degree, right?
To a degree.
So as we move forward andspringboard ourselves into kind
of modern technologies,specifically, let's jump over,
unfortunately, you know, 100years, basically.
Yep.
And bring ourselves to, bring usup to speed of the 80s and 90s.
We have conventional oils of amixed degree of weights.

(24:01):
Weights specifically addressviscosity viscosity is um
basically how you know i guessan oversimplification is how
something flows or thinness orthickness of it so why is there
two numbers and a

SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
w well hold on so first we have to talk about
straight weight oil yes wellthat's the

SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
single weight

SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
and at this point those are usually uh air
compressors a lot of mores

SPEAKER_03 (24:30):
yes industrial application

SPEAKER_00 (24:32):
old automobile some point.
So if you got a Willis, then youcould probably use a straight 30
or 40 weight oil.

SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
I need to know what button on the soundboard I'm
allowed to push, Jeff, when Iwant to interrupt.
Pivot! I want our listeningaudience to recognize.
I've recognized somethingbecause I'm a purveyor of human
beings.
And so I pick up on microexpressions and little
interactions and habitualthings.

(25:01):
And when people purposely makechanges in their life, I notice
these things.
Other people might not notice,and it's one of those things
that you might just kind oflike...
It's part of his tism.
Yeah, it's part of my tism,okay?
Scott, for our listeningaudience, I want you to know
this, is attempting to walkthrough life in a manner in

(25:21):
which he respects multiplebelief systems.
When it comes to vintagevehicles of a particular era, he
is purposely choosing to use thepronunciation Willis.
Yes.
I watched a video.
And there are times that he'llstill refer to things as Willis.

SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
I'm going to go back to Jeep Jeopardy where I got
scolded by both of you forsaying Willis.
And now he's using Willis.

SPEAKER_03 (25:52):
That's okay.
But he actually is able, he isstraddling both sides of the
belief system of kind of diggingour heels in.
I'm still going to call like amodern A package a Willis
package.
Okay.
Absolutely.
And I want to specifically,because I'm not jumping on the
Willis bus.
I'm just not right now.

(26:13):
So

SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
you're going to make us derail, because I have to do
for two seconds.
So Willis was the guy's name.
Yep.
That's the created WillisOverland.
Yes.
And when Kaiser got a hold ofWillis Corporation, so many
people were calling it Will-E'sbecause nobody actually knew how
to pronounce it.
They just were doing it.
sure thing off of what it saidon the vehicle yep they ran with

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it they did so both are correctyep and if you want to pay
homage to the man and theoriginal corporation which we're
talking

SPEAKER_03 (26:47):
about

SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
back

SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
in 100

SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
years ago i said why not say willis i know i know
exactly

SPEAKER_03 (26:52):
what you're doing and i think that in life there
are too many little likeinnuendos or too many little
things and mitism can't notaddress it so that other people
are aware of the intentionalitythat Scott is taking in his
talking points.
Boom, they're done.
There's my pivot.
I'm going to get back on therails.
It's just any who.

(27:16):
So straight weights, if you havethose older vehicles, they might
call for a straight way.
And, and ultimately now, can youput a dual weight oil in

SPEAKER_00 (27:25):
those or will it make it blow up?

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
No, you can put a dual weight in them.

SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
Yeah.
The vehicle isn't going topanic.

SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
Here's the thing.
And so, and, and, this is whereI start to really

SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
kind of nerd out.
I'm going to jump in real quickbecause the comment is perfect.
I got Joe O'Brien going, whatyou talk about, Wills?

SPEAKER_03 (27:43):
That tracks.
That tracks.
So, this is where I really startto...
This is the dumbest and like myself-imposed nerd fact you will
find out about me and about howthese oils differentiate.
I get real jazzed up on viscousmodifiers.

(28:04):
He does.

SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
What's so funny is that Saturday we were talking
about, because Scott asked whatwe were going to be doing on the
topic, and I said, oh, we'retalking oil.
And Greg goes, oh, that's Neil'sfavorite nerdy topic.

SPEAKER_03 (28:17):
Outside of U-joints?
I was going to say, next toU-joints.
Like, how dumb.
People get really excited aboutthings that, I don't know,
actually are fun.
I don't know, wheels or lights.
I

SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
secretly think U-joints is just because of the
special grease that the Thejoints used.
So still lubrication.

SPEAKER_03 (28:35):
And the seals that hold the grease in or purge the
grease out.
Yeah, that's kind of true.
So viscous modifiers are thedevil and what most people don't
take into consideration.

SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
So what he's trying to say is when you have an oil
that says 5W20 or 5W30...
It starts out one thing and heatand pressure creates something,
magic.
Yes, magic happens.
And the oil

SPEAKER_03 (29:11):
transitions to the other number.
Okay.
And there's a magician in thesame bottle who has to carry
that weight from the initialstartup weight, which is
thinner, right?
So when it comes to a dualweight oil, and that's all I'm

(29:32):
going to concentrate on is whenwe have a lower number and then
a higher number versus straightweight.
The engine needs to start withthe thinner viscous weight.
And that is so that you canappropriately lubricate the
internal components.

(29:53):
So on a arguably what's called acold start, and I don't care if
it is the middle of summer orthe dead of winter, it's still a
cold start.
And that means that the enginehas not pressurized, that the
internal lubrication and oilingsystem has not initiated its
process.

(30:14):
The oil is simply able to flowbetter from bottom to top.
Think about drinking a drink ofwater through a straw versus
drinking a milkshake.
The water, with the same levelof effort, subjected to the
straw is simply going to come upinto your mouth faster than the

(30:37):
milkshake.
The milkshake will require moreeffort from you to kind of
initially get that flow started.
Now, the thing is, a viscousmodifier's job is to transition
that water into milkshake asheat and friction is increased

(31:05):
so we have to so think about theinitial number on a dual weight
oil as the water and thesecondary number as the
milkshake and the modifier hasto move it now that modifier or
magician who does that

SPEAKER_02 (31:20):
stuff well I appreciate your analogy it's
actually driving me nuts becausemilkshake in oil is also usually
a bad thing

SPEAKER_03 (31:32):
fair Fair in general, and maybe we'll get to
that or not.
But the challenge with this isthe fact that you have to
decrease the lubricity contentof the quantity.
So if you think about going tothe restaurant to buy your large

(31:59):
milkshake, and it's going toinitially come out as water, You
then have to have a product inthere that allows the transition
to happen.
So you have some of thatproduct, which exists as water
and a kind of a particulatecontent.
You have some of that contentthat exists as milkshake.

(32:22):
And then you have some of thatcontent, which is the magician
who magically moves the waterinto milkshake.

SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
And then after that...
is the additives and the thingsthat make it Pennzoil.

SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
And yet there is a fourth party represented in that
same large milkshake that is thedetergents, the additives, the
Molly

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
Bond, and so on and so forth.
Just to keep running with youranalogy, that's the
strawberries, the blueberries,the Oreo.

SPEAKER_03 (32:54):
100%, right?
The malt.
The malt.
So in theory, straight weight isjust the milkshake.
Yes.
Okay.
And when we

SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
have a milkshake all the time,

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
all milkshake all the time, and you can have a
degree of malt in thatmilkshake, and we have not
lessened the lubricity of that30 weight with detergent, right?
Because some of it will bewithout detergent.
And that's a degree of detergentin them.

(33:34):
Some have more, some have less.
That's their secret sauce.
So,

SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
other than an additive, what does detergent
do?

SPEAKER_03 (33:42):
Well, it's primarily going to break down carbon
deposits and it might...

SPEAKER_02 (33:50):
It kind of does what you expect detergent to do.
It cleans.

SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
Yes.
Fair way to

SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
save me on that one.
So, if you've ever taken an oldvehicle apart and you pull the
valve cover off and there's aperfect imprint of the valve
cover...
and sludge.
Yes.
They were running non-detergentoil.
Yes.
If you take a new vehicle apartthat's only seen detergent oil
and you just have a nice goldenbrown of everything and no
sludge, there is your why it'sin the oil.

(34:17):
Your

SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
primary differentiation.
I love it.

SPEAKER_00 (34:19):
Which is also why if you have an old vehicle and you
go and you put detergent oil init and it's got the perfect
imprint of the valve cover,you're going to plug things up
because it's going to liquefyall the sludge all at once.

SPEAKER_03 (34:33):
Yeah, because the sludge actually starts to break
down the detergent.
It acts like a solvent.
It's going to start to breakdown the carbon deposits or
other basically sludge depositsthat exist in the engine.
But it doesn't instantly

SPEAKER_02 (34:49):
dissolve at all.
It just makes it move and plugthings up.
And it

SPEAKER_03 (34:53):
could plug another oil galley or journal in the
process and actually createproblems.
I don't want to get to that justyet.
I situation and my continuedkind of, you know, soapbox about
it as we move into so many ofthese other things.
I love oil talks, man.
I'm thinking to myself, God, wecan move into synthetics.

(35:13):
We can move into multi blends.
All right.
This last piece of multiepisode.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm going to folks.
I'm going to try and close it.
Everybody wants one and doneepisodes.
I'm going to try and keep it toone.
No, you're not.
So we haven't even got there.
So many, there's so much goodscience around this.
If you want to read like, likereally ridiculously, like

(35:35):
mind-numbingly boring chartsand-

SPEAKER_00 (35:39):
Jeff would be asleep.

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
Summary or synopsis on how these oils, multi-rate
oils are made and whatnot.
I'm going to try and kind ofstay on topic and just give you
kind of bird's eye views,understanding that people like
myself do really get giddy overthis stuff.
But arguably in the last 40, 50years, we've seen a number of

(36:03):
different oil manufacturerschange recipes or change their
marketing, change for engines.
And the big thing is basicallyit's this, the engine
manufacturers are doing onething and the oil companies are
doing another.
And they're always kind oftrying to work cohesively yet

(36:24):
independently of each other.
I

SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
think it's important as well.
And this talk of dual weightoil, we've seen a progression,
you know, We got our TJs andolder.
They're a 1030, 1040 kind ofJeep.
And then we got our JKs.
Those are a 530 and a 520 kindof Jeep.
And then we came out with a JL,and everybody got all upset
because it's 020.

(36:47):
Yes, sir.
And it's water.
It starts as water.
Yes.
And transitions to 20, which isliterally what the JK, when hot,
was running on.
Right.
And we're only 10 points lessthan what the TJ ran on hot.
Mm-hmm.
And I think people miss thatpart.
But why we start out with alower number first is because

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they keep making the toleranceson the motor tighter and
tighter.
When cold, that's important.
As it heats up, things expand,change, and therefore why the
electricity changes.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (37:23):
And that is exactly what I was wanting you to fill
in is the fact that enginetechnology, as it becomes more
efficient with more precisiontolerances based on its
construction then the oil has toget thinner to do its job
whereas our old engines in theWillis era basically grandpa

(37:48):
could put that engine togetherwith a half inch wrench and a
sledgehammer in his backyard andmany individuals did that's why
America fell in love withvehicles was because so many
people could work on thesethings with, you know, because
quite frankly, it was just bigUGG and you could put an engine
together.

SPEAKER_00 (38:07):
And just quick, small detour, bearing and seal
technology has also changed hugeamounts.
Back in the early motors, weliterally had just BABIC poured
into a block.
They machined it in the blockand you assemble the motor,
which meant you had no abilityto change for wear.

(38:31):
There were shims literally whereyou would shim things to try to
make it a little better wheretoday we have bearing technology
that just vastly uh is a moresuperior than what those were
yes and seal technology alsowhich is why when you take an
old motor and even fully rebuiltand you put a you know say you

(38:52):
were to put a 020 oil in it andit was all cork gaskets and rope
seals it's going to leak like a

SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
with that said, uh, as we kind of make this compare
and contrast of, of, you know,prior days, we have heavier oils
that do exist.
And I think it's important to,you know, just kind of address
that there is a still for raceapplications, 2050.
Um, and the reason we're, andI'll kind of expand upon why

(39:23):
that might exist, uh, for dieselapplications, we still have
1540.
Um, and, and back in the day,and I'm going to throw into this
category for a blip on theradar, 540 and 1040.
And that's an oil that's bygone.
You really don't see thatspecific oil still in

(39:43):
utilization.
Again, what oil manufacturerswere doing with that
specifically, were trying tocreate a low resistance start up
weight.
So you had an engine that wasused largely in maybe cold
environments or whatever.

(40:05):
And it then needed to be subjectto a heavy duty cycle.
And so that's why you wanted tomake it for generality sticky,
right?
You wanted to make it thickbecause it was in a heavy duty
environment.
The reason that A, we don't usesome of those oils again.

(40:27):
And I guess maybe I'll go to therace weight and the diesel
weight.
We do still use those.
They have changed.
We use them not in our dailydrivers as much as we once did.
We use them more in specializedapplications.

SPEAKER_00 (40:42):
And it's important, though, because it kind of goes
hand in hand.
Most of those oils, when youstill get them, are going to
have a higher zinc content,which is a lubricant.
That is what our flat tappetcamshafts on our older vehicles
need to not have flat cams.
But they also hurt emissionsequipment.
like catalytic converters.

(41:03):
So the newer oils as those, youknow, sadly it's 1970s and up
had catalytic converters.
As they were removing that zincmore and more and more and more,
we started seeing cam failuresbecause it did not have that
lubrication.
So now we, when you go to astreet rod oil or a hot rod oil

(41:25):
or a racing oil, I'm just makingthem wait, it will have higher
zinc content.
And you can buy an additivesometimes, or most of the time,
that also adds that zinc backinto it.
Now you can go.

SPEAKER_03 (41:40):
That is not the cam failures that the 3.6
specifically, I don't care whatgenre or generation of 3.6
experiences, that is not the camfailure.

SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Because they have a roller.
Correct.
And it's a different technology.

SPEAKER_03 (41:53):
Yes.
Sidebar for those of you who

SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
want to make that association.
For those 350 guys, we've hadroller cams in them since the
90s.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
Uh, But Joe O'Brien

SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
said so.
Jeff is yawning.
Jeff, I'm so glad that our topicis so interesting.
Scott and I are over here likewe're teenagers again, meeting
for the first time, having aconversation.
Jeff wants to die.

SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Some newer diesels are using 5W30 per Joe.
Correct, because of the

SPEAKER_03 (42:19):
tolerances, right?
And so we keep shifting in thatdirection.
Now, here's the challenge is whywe're moving that way for
tolerance purposes.
But B, the reason you don't seethe 540s or the 1040s like you
once did is because what theydiscovered was that in our
milkshake that you had too manyviscous modifier as far as a

(42:44):
content or a volume of it thatthe oil was depreciating too
fast.

SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
Breakdown.

SPEAKER_03 (42:52):
Yes, it broke down entirely too fast.
And since viscous modifier isnot a lubricant, it would burn
off and dissipate faster thanthe oil itself.
So if you are an individual whois experiencing base oil
consumption and yet it's notgoing anywhere in your engine,
and there's a couple YouTubevideos or if you've worked with

(43:15):
me individually, you'll knowthat your Jeep might call for
020 and I have changed you to520.
That is because I'mintentionally switching with
less viscous modifier so thatthere is more lubricating you
know, there's more lubricatingcontent in the oil itself.

(43:36):
To translate Neil

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
Knees, that is closer or less of a change from
the start to the finish.

SPEAKER_03 (43:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (43:43):
Because zero to 20 is quite a change.
Correct.
Five, but now we're five closer

SPEAKER_03 (43:49):
to 20.
And that's just ultimately allit comes down to is we're trying
to give you more lubricant inthere.
Equally, the detergents and themalts and all that kind of
stuff, we're always looking atif If I have a theoretical
milkshake container and that's100 parts to make my milkshake,
you can't have 100 partsmilkshake or 100 parts just

(44:13):
standard ice cream.
You're going to have someflavoring in there.
You're going to have the cookiecrisps.
You're going to have thosethings.
And that's going to take up someof the volume of the overall
product.

SPEAKER_00 (44:26):
Yep.
Which is really more reason whysome vehicles have had more
consumption issues with zero 20more than just all the rings are
bad.
Oh, the motor design is bad.
No, it's literally using up thatmodifier.

SPEAKER_03 (44:40):
Especially as we've gotten to, uh, synthetics and
longevity between oil changes.
Yep.
Um, you know, definitely kind ofa, a, a challenging piece for us
to address, uh, as anautomotive, uh, culture and how
we, uh,

SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
how we approach this.
I would also say synthetic iswhy you can go longer between
oil oil changes more so than theweight of the oil.

SPEAKER_03 (45:05):
Right.
The conventional oil simplybroke down or burnt off or
whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (45:08):
Because synthetic can be made to be thinner and it
can be manufactured so that it'sa smoother molecule.
So it actually...

SPEAKER_00 (45:17):
Which is why...

SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
Holds

SPEAKER_00 (45:19):
up longer.
All 020 oil is synthetic.
Just pretty much lying in thesand.

SPEAKER_03 (45:25):
Yeah.
Then the last piece I want tohammer home on the engines
themselves would be like, well,Neil, why don't we just add...
So if you're telling me this isbad and blah, blah, blah, and
you don't have this muchcontent, why don't I just add
something in on top of it?
Well, having too much oil in theengine is bad.
Just like you should not fillyour differential up to the very

(45:50):
tippy top.
That's why the fill hole isn'ton the top of the differential.
That's why it's at apredetermined position on the
diff cover.

SPEAKER_02 (45:59):
Marvel's mystery oil.

SPEAKER_03 (46:01):
What is he throwing out?
He's

SPEAKER_00 (46:05):
going where my brain was already going.
Just like early days of medicalfor us, when things were a
little bit vague, you had lotsof things that would come up
and, oh, this oil or that castoroil.
You were saying

SPEAKER_02 (46:23):
about adding stuff to the oil, and that's what made
me think of it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got Marvell's, you hadLucas, you

SPEAKER_03 (46:31):
had...
Marvell's.
Yeah.
Marvell.

SPEAKER_02 (46:35):
Marvell was how they actually pronounced it, but
Marvell.

SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
Oh, my gosh.
It's a freaking Willisconversation

SPEAKER_00 (46:41):
again.
It's a Willis conversation.
Anyway, and where you get intothis is you'll have, well, my
grandpa used Marvell's oil, andso I'm going to use Marvell's.
100%.

SPEAKER_03 (46:53):
Marvell's, Lucas.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
But I have no idea what's actually in it.
Seafoam.
Yep.
And spoiler alert, most of thosethings are literally just oil.
Just kerosene.

SPEAKER_03 (47:05):
A high content of it.
That's an oversimplification,but I get what you're saying.
Very much so.
And I'm not telling you not touse those things.
I got to be honest with you.
They do work in certainapplications.
They

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
get the sludge out.

SPEAKER_03 (47:18):
Yeah.
The last piece that I want tohammer home on that overfilling,
which is why we wouldn't want todo it.
Gail Banks does a greatinstructional piece specifically
around differentials andoverfilling them.
the increased pressure, heat,friction that exists.

SPEAKER_00 (47:35):
Your mad scientist moment, the only time it's
allowed to overfill is when youhave an AMC V8 and it's a five
quart capacity.
You're going to run out of oilbecause we had a problem with
our oil systems and you shouldput six in

SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:49):
And

SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
stay within that.
But I have absolutely addressedkind of the average population
being like, well, if five isgood, then why isn't seven
better?
There is a point in time whereWe overflow the fish tank and
they fall out,

SPEAKER_02 (48:03):
right?
Well, and then there's also theoption to upgrade your filter.
And we do have the XL filters insome applications.
Which you then can add to that.
And that is another thing.
And external oil

SPEAKER_03 (48:16):
coolers and increased capacity.
When you increase capacity, youhave to increase the oil or else
you're

SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
actually...
And people don't always think ofthat together.

SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
Yes.
And I love it.
I love external oil coolers andoversized filters.
Anytime you...
you can create volume.
You create better duty cycle,um, regardless.
So all is good.
Big thing is friction modifiersaren't necessarily bad.
Um, that's just me kind of in ajokingly way, trying to hammer

(48:45):
home what they do and why theydo it.
Um, but let's go back to theMarvell's and all the other fun
little additives.
I know that one of the things Iheard you say was that it was
increased the cleaning of them.
Uh, quite frankly, I know anumber of people, the old
farmer's trick of throwing someautomatic transmission fluid in

(49:06):
to their

SPEAKER_00 (49:07):
engine oil.
I've told many people that, andthey look at me like I'm crazy.
It has lubricant in it, whichkerosene kind of doesn't.
It has a high detergent, so itcleans.
I've said this forever, but gowork on your Mack truck that has
got 400,000 miles on it and getas greasy as possible.

(49:28):
Take some automatic transmissionfluid, put it on your hands,
because you're already contentwhat the heck and go like this
and your hands will be red butclean yes that is what
transmission fluid does andbecause of that uh because of
that high refinement the baseoil and automatic transmission
fluid is pretty much good nomatter if you go to coastal you

(49:49):
go to walmart you go to thedollar general doesn't matter
it's the additives that make itspecial yeah and old
transmissions kind of don't careuh aside from Some Fords are a
little picky on clutch type andmanufacturer.
So you need a certain additiveto help that not shudder or

(50:11):
bite.
That's really what the like FAand type F oils were.
But you can literally put type Fin your Chrysler product or in
your GM product.
And a lot of our racing oilsliterally just have type F
clutch material additives inthem to help them lock up

(50:34):
better.
But your newer vehicles, again,smaller passages, more
electronics, they want to seespecific things at specific
times, they want to see atemperature at a certain time.
That's when you really need touse the specific fluid that they
say the

SPEAKER_03 (50:51):
use.
And as we progress into general,you know, Petro esque based
componentry, because I had thisconversation with a customer
over the weekend with a manualtransmission and a specific
manual transmission has aspecific fluid with a product

(51:16):
who has a byproduct in it calledit's a synchro mesh and it is
the this specific product isbetter at lubricating the
synchros in the Mercedes basedsix-speed.
So enter 2004-ish TJ through theJK model.

SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
And again, back in the olden days when we just had
straight-cut gears and you justbanged them until you found them
kind of scenarios, you had brasssynchros.
Those don't care what oil's inthere as long as it's
lubricating it.
So you can use a heavy 80-90weight oil, and it's perfectly
content.

(52:01):
Now you go into a newertransmission, and the best
example for that is a T5.
They were used for so long, theyactually were used both ways.
You had ones with brass synchrosthat used gear oil, and you used
ones that had fiber synchros,which are basically an automatic
transmission clutch, and thatneeds automatic transmission

(52:23):
fluid.
That is why the six speeds andsome of the newer transmissions
need the special oil.
It's more for the synchros, thanfor anything else.

SPEAKER_03 (52:34):
And a fun fact as an extension of that, the AX15,
which we saw in prevalentutilization through the late 80s
into the earliest 2000s,actually runs engine oil.
And if you were to cross the,you know, if you were to cross
the approved Chrysler Moparnumbers, it basically comes out

(52:57):
as a 530.
And so my recommendation isalways to get as close to a
conventional 530, or at least itused to be.
I don't know how

SPEAKER_00 (53:07):
valid that is anymore.
And again, an X15 is aderivative of a Toyota
transmission.
If you go and look up Toyotaspec, it's not motor oil.
That doesn't mean it has thesame components inside.
Correct.
They were specifically made forthe model it was gone into.
And so

SPEAKER_03 (53:25):
the big issue was we had individuals, folks who were
from that old straight cut dayand they just knew that put gear
oil in them and they would shovegear oil in the transmission and
it seemingly worked okay forthem.
And then we had individuals whowere like, well, if ATF is good

(53:46):
in this transmission, then itshould be good in the AX15.
And I absolutely will tell youthat I did a fluid change on my
AX15 and I put ATF in it andthat thing shifted Like, uh, no,
terrible, terrible.

(54:06):
It was terrible.
It actually, um, got stuck ingear.
I would, it would get, it didnot have the sufficient
lubricity, um, that yourstandard engine oil did.
And it was not, I had to drainit out again.
Now, after I had cleaned it withthe ATF and then put engine oil

(54:28):
in it, it was better.
Now it was butter, right?
And, um, but that was a youngNeil, you know, trying to follow
the early days of the internetand reading.
And, and at that time only therewas a Chrysler number and, you
know, you were supposed to go tothe dealership and buy the
fluid.
And I thought, wow, that seemsunnecessary.
Let me screw this

SPEAKER_00 (54:47):
up.
You know, I had a T five, uh, inmy ownership that I ran motor
oil in instead of transmissionfluid.
Cause it was leaking like abroken fish tank and I could not
keep the oil in it.
So, uh, I went to a heavierweight oil being motor oil.
oil and when it was dead coldwhen i was inappropriately
trying to drive my car aroundhalloween i could it was very

(55:09):
hard to shift until thetransmission was warm with
automatic transmission fluid itdidn't matter what temperature
it was i could go through it thegears easily

SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
and i think that that is the challenge is that
with a degree for the generalconsumer they have certainly the
older vehicles it mattered less

SPEAKER_00 (55:29):
yeah right it was just bigger clearances it was
easier easier to shift your, youknow, more junk kind of, of
shifting where today, yes, amultitude of oils will work, but
the engineers have gone in andbeen like, okay, well at
negative 10, how does it shiftwith that oil?
Okay.
At 115 plus, how does it shift?

(55:51):
And we've got to find an oilthat works the best in both
situations where we go along andwe're like, oh, we, we know
best.
We know more than the engineerand we start doing that.
Well, now we're not using theoil that's best for the usage
range.
The

SPEAKER_03 (56:06):
broad spectrum utilization

SPEAKER_00 (56:09):
of that component.
And because of that, someonethat's in Southern California
could have a little bitdifferent of an oil expectation
than someone in Maine.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
going to interrupt because we are at the end of the
episode.
And my question is, did you getthrough all the things?
No, I failed.
I failed.
I failed them.
I

SPEAKER_00 (56:31):
said we wouldn't get through I knew it I failed our
listening audience I

SPEAKER_03 (56:34):
knew that and as you before you got in on it I looked
up at the time and I said youknow what I'm just going to have
to own my indiscretion it iswhat it is we've got more
additives we didn't even getinto moly bond and that product
we haven't got into syntheticsin any degree

SPEAKER_02 (56:49):
we didn't get into engine knock and what the
additives allegedly did for that

SPEAKER_03 (56:53):
or the potential just the root failure of the 3.6
you know components andobviously talked about that and
what our experience has beenwith routine oil changes and how
often should you actually changeyour oil so that will all be
things that you look forward tonext week because I won't shut

(57:15):
up and got too jazzed up onviscous modifiers and milkshakes
and as Rob Morgan has said Ihope that all of you go out and
have a milkshake today and youthink about not an oil milkshake
well and not an oil milkshake asJeffrey teased we'll talk about
that next week as well somebodyshould be noting all the things
that I said we're going to talkabout next week.
Jeffrey, that's on you.

(57:36):
Good thing Davey goes back andlistens to these episodes.
But I hope you go out and buy amilkshake this week and you
think of us and straight whiteoil and Drake's Well and all
those other goodies that weshared with you.
Wow.
We've got Jeeps to build and dowe have a full slate of them?
And if you're interested inknowing what's going on, Jeff

(58:00):
has been off for the last yearand a half from work and left us
entirely up against the wall andthings didn't get done that were
100% Jeff's fault so

SPEAKER_00 (58:13):
that's why we might have a Tuesday update on Friday
for those following along

SPEAKER_03 (58:18):
so if you're interested in knowing what Jeeps
are working on and how we'reprogressing through those since
Jeff is back gamefully employedfrom his year off we should have
a

SPEAKER_00 (58:29):
Tuesday

SPEAKER_03 (58:30):
update

SPEAKER_00 (58:30):
we should have a Tuesday And if we don't, we're
going to give him so much grief.
We will

SPEAKER_03 (58:34):
next week.
Until next time, Jeep on.
Jeep on.
Jeep on.

SPEAKER_00 (58:44):
I was a good year off, I'm just saying.
It's very busy.
I didn't realize it was a

SPEAKER_02 (58:48):
whole year.

SPEAKER_00 (58:49):
It's a very appropriate transition.
Last week, Jeff was like, hey,how's your building coming?
I was like, well, Jeff, myconcrete guy has been off for a
year and a half.

UNKNOWN (59:01):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (59:01):
And I don't know what the heck I'm doing with
concrete.
And I don't know how to build abuilding.
So when is my concrete guyavailable?

SPEAKER_03 (59:12):
Jeff's the concrete guy.

SPEAKER_02 (59:14):
Then I was like, hmm.
I heard that he'd be availableon Sunday.
Yeah.
To which I got the response ofit would have to be after 3.30.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:22):
Because I had already packed 40 pounds of crap
into my weekend.
Yes.
In true SFJ fashion.
We don't know how not to.
Yes.
so I ended up running home toget prepared so just message hey
can I come over yet and I'm likeI thought you'd be here by now

SPEAKER_03 (59:43):
right I totally was talking about Jeff the Builder
this weekend as well talkingabout some of our own projects
internal and I was like Jeff'sbeen off so much he hasn't been
able to do

SPEAKER_02 (59:55):
like customer service I didn't show up at 3.30
though because his exact messageI should be home

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:00):
about 3.30 tomorrow being very...
Listen, first of all, he wasbeing very general.
I'm with you.
Two, our power of responsivityconversation we had on the
American Hustle this morning wasnot confirming.
It was not affirmative.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:12):
And that's why I said, let me know when I should
head over.
He's like, I'm already gettingready.
I'm like, oh, well, I'll headover.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:19):
As I told him, it was going to be heck or high
water since my concrete guy wasavailable.
I was a foresight intoexistence.
But then he then somehowtransitioned into my general
conversation Uh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:33):
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:33):
And showed me where all the previous subs have gone
wrong.

UNKNOWN (01:00:39):
Ha ha ha!

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
There's only been one subcontractor actually not
involved out of us.
And the fact that in my ownhouse build, I'm always blaming
the previous guy who worked onit, which is just me and the
help of a handful of goodcustomers who have taken pity

(01:01:01):
upon me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:01):
There was multiple realizations and some pivots
that had to be had.
The concrete work did not getdone.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:09):
Oh, are you kidding me?
More interpretations,non-affirming, because I don't
know what the heck I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:16):
Listen,

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:17):
it was so

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:17):
bad that he went and got his wife, and Amy comes out,
and he's like, I wanted her tosee what we're dealing with,
too.
No! Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:24):
she went in the house.
How's it going?
Bad.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:29):
Sorry, folks, if I just blew your eardrum out on
that.
That was a spit take, as far asI'm

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:34):
concerned.
Why is it bad?
You just got to come out andhear it from Jeff.
He's breaking my heart, justlike he does at work.
There are bad news.
That's a crappy pep talk, Jeff.
But we were able to find a wayto resolve it.
And instead of having to re-dig,I don't know, 14 holes, we only
have to do two.

(01:01:54):
And luckily, I bought a backhoe

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:59):
accidentally.
What is going on?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:01):
What is happening?
Basically, as you progressivelymeasure, and you realize that
the print says on this side ofthe post versus that side of the
post, and you start adding upthis failures of measurements
and then you have the guydigging the hole interpreting
your little flag and you think iliterally said this mistakenly

(01:02:24):
well when you got a 24 inch holeyou got lots of wheat

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:28):
so absolutely i heard you talk about you know
that's a pretty big bullseye toland on

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:31):
yeah you know what's not a big bullseye i guess 24
inch holes once you get from oneside to the other because you go
well we're still okay but we'rekind over off the side of the
window pane.
And now this one actually in themiddle of those two holes.
It gets better

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:47):
because this is, we're measuring the holes and
because it rained, there was alot of washout.
So the holes weren't five footdeep anymore.
Oh God, oh God.
So there was one of the insideholes that was actually five
foot deep.
I said, let's start therebecause we don't have to do any
digging.
He goes, it's going to bedifficult to get the equipment
in there.
And I'm like, why?

(01:03:08):
You have two garage doors you'resupposed to have two garage door
spots.
Those holes aren't far enoughapart.
No.
And that's when we went in and

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:18):
got the tape measure.
And that's when the panicstarted.
That's when we got the tapemeasure out and started
measuring everything.
Oh, and it gets better.
You're not done laughing.
So in the middle of all this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:27):
I want you to know, and for the listeners at home, I
just, I empathize with you somuch

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:34):
because of my.
I was literally thinking like,Neil is going to so be dealing
with this crap when he goesthrough this.
Because this

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:38):
is exactly what I'm dealing with with my house.
Yep.
100%.
Because you don't know.
But you don't know.
But you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:44):
Yeah.
So in the middle of all this, wefinally have gotten the go-kart,
Aiden's go-kart, to a pointwhere he can use it and not have
it break the first three tripsaround the yard.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:56):
And he is excited beyond belief.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:58):
Well, he was riding it around the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:00):
So he's trying to put in as

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:01):
much seat time as possible.
Before it snows.
I would expect nothing less.
This kid has waited, I don'tknow, five years for this
go-kart to be done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:08):
So I had already told him, like, hey, you can't.
do your normal track because nowwe're trying to work up here and
the go-kart may have brakes ormay not have brakes.
I'm just going to leave thatloose.
Nah! Not for not attempting tohave brakes, but you know.
And he was like, oh, I'll justlet off the gas.
It'll be okay.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:28):
I just wait a second, first of all, for
contact for everybody.
How many Jeeps I've wheeled thatthey've watched footage of, that
they've seen pictures of thathave a brake, right?
How many vintage pieces of crapwhere I'm this way on a hill
that's like this and I am I'm ona break.
So I don't discredit you, but Idon't know what's worse because
somebody asked to borrow abicycle.
They're doing a whole four daytrip.
They are stranded.

(01:04:49):
They know that my family hasbicycles.
So my family, uh, so my sisterasked us the best bicycle for
this particular individual whoneeded to borrow.
It was my son's bike.
He rides all the time, but wehad to like contextualize, be
like, well, it doesn't exactlyhave good breaks.
What

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:09):
is wrong with us?
So at Anyway, nobody else livesthis way.
So I tell him, go out back andjust do circles.
And I knew he was going to getbored of that, but he wasn't
there yet.
So fine.
So we're trying to work andJeff's crapping in my Wheaties
and holes aren't in the rightspot.
Nothing's deep enough.
And I hear thwack.
Yep.
And I look over and where'sAiden?

(01:05:31):
The only spot that he could.
Firmly planted in the front ofmy C10.
Firmly into it.
In the front of your truck?
Yep.
And I thought, well, I couldhandle this two ways.
I could be my father and startscreaming.
Oh, God.
And then he'll be traumatizedand will never ride the go-kart
again.
Oh, God.

(01:05:52):
And he'll never want to see thetruck again.
Or I can go up and give my kid ahug.
because he is me and givinghimself all the grief.
Oh, yes.
And I was like, so how bad isit?
Well, I think I just scratchedthe bumper.
Okay.
He's like, I'm glad I have myhelmet on because you know what
else we haven't worked on?
Seatbelts.

(01:06:12):
Oh, God.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:13):
So

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:14):
he went flying.
He went forward.
He learned about perpetualmotion.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:18):
Inertia.
Yes.
Momentum.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:21):
Momentum.
So truck's okay.
Whatever.
Scratched the bumper before.
It's not bent.
He He learned a valuable lessonabout turn radius and wearing
his helmet.
We consoled him.
He also had to go in and getconsoled by his mother.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:36):
He said he's done riding it for a while because

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:42):
of that.
Which turned out to be about anhour.
Yep.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
But anyway, I was like, well,he's back on the horse.
That's good.
I started my morning off lookingat seatbelts and how the hell do
I get brakes on a go-kart?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:57):
I love it.
I love it.
What a weekend.
What a weekend.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
Jeffrey?

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:03):
I mean, other than the shenanigans there and the
things that we did that we can'tsay on air because of OSHA.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:12):
Trust exercises.
You know what?
Rick's a really good handrail.
A backhoe.
Well, yeah.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:18):
without question.
So anyways.
I know that 100%.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:22):
No, I had a mostly relaxing weekend.
Did some cleanup from the eventand went through the trail.
Well,

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:28):
but you know what the thing is?
Our audience has not heard aboutyour weekend with your festival.
So why don't you give us alittle insight there?
Since that was Labor Dayweekend.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:38):
It was Labor Day weekend, and we were off for
Labor Day.
So we had a two-day event indowntown Erie where we shut down
a street.
And I'm talking we barricadedboth ends of the block.
So you had 8th Street betweenState and Peach completely
barricaded off.
You had to enter through VoodooBrewing and come out onto the
street.
from their patio.

(01:07:59):
We had food trucks.
We had vendors.
We had 41 different musiciansplaying or bands, acts, 41
different acts total.
So it was a really fun time.
We ended up picking who thewinners were.
We had this great panel ofjudges that deliberated for an
hour or so trying to figure outwho the overall winner was going

(01:08:22):
to be because the talent wasjust so

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:24):
amazing.
The part I loved the most aboutthe whole event is now you are
big enough that you are gettingthe attention of all the
business owners, good and bad.
And just to contextualize,you've tried to go in and
educate the businesses affectedby the event and the size of the

(01:08:45):
event and everything else.
But just like any human, you'rehalf paying attention, you're
half listening, and it goes inone ear and out the other.
And the part I love the most isone of them thought a musician
was going to play on the street.
Yep.
Ah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:02):
They thought that there was a business that
thought that when I approachedthem a couple weeks ago for the
third or fourth time that we'vebeen to their business that I
was a musician dropping off mycard because I'm going to be
playing on the street and wantedthem to know I was going to be
playing on the street.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:16):
So he's going to set up his guitar box and you're
going to throw money in it.
That's

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:21):
awesome.
That's actually funny.
I mean, that's a great referencebecause that's exactly what I
was thinking.
Yep.
And that's literally what theythought.
I have not heard that story.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:30):
So when he showed up and shut their street down, they
were dismayed, amazed.
Yeah, there was a lot

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:37):
of emotions with the way that we shut down the
street.
But we had the city'spermission.
We did everything by the book.
We did it all right.
We did make some changes to tryto accommodate those businesses
differently than what we startedwith.
And it worked out for the

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:53):
best.
I mean, the best thing I heardof it was after all the hubbub
of the stage of emotions andgrieving that they had to not
have their street.
Once everything was done, youhad such a professional ability
to it that the businessesaffected were like, you know, I
actually would like to be partof this next year.
Yes.
Excellent.
We had from anger to helping.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:15):
Yes.
And, you know, the mediaobviously was there.
We had all the local stationsshow up and film and record.
I got interviewed by a couplestations.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:24):
Jeannie says she was there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:27):
Oh, that's cool.
I did not see her either.
I'm not surprised.
We had a lot of people.
We had about 2,000 peoplethroughout the two days.
That's impressive.
It was really fun, really goodturnout.
We would have liked to have seena little bit more than that, but
overall, we were satisfied.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:45):
Well, and the particular city that you're
doing this in does a lot offestivals.
They do a lot of differentevents.
Labor Day weekend's a toughweekend.
Yep.
And it's growing.
This is yet the next...
biggest rendition.
This was the biggest we've done.
We tripled our size ofattendance.
Correct.
And you've kind of continued toplow back into it, the festival.

(01:11:06):
And I'm sure that you guys willcontinue to refine it.
And everything that's coming outof it seems to be overwhelmingly
positive.
And, you know, I obviously wishyou guys the best luck going
forward.
Yeah.
And it was very cool.
I mean,

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:22):
needless to say, I was very tired for the next
week.
And so this week, and I'm like,you know, what?
I'm not going to do a whole lot.
Took it kind of easy.
I watched some football, youknow, that perfect week.
Steelers started playing again.
So I was like, all right, cool.
We're back to NFL.
It

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:36):
was the, uh, the kickoff seat, you know, kickoff
weekend.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:40):
Yeah.
So good time there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:41):
Outstanding.
Outstanding.
Um, for me, I, it was a lot ofjust, uh, sharpening my ax, um,
equally trying to recentermyself as after a very busy, uh,
you know, kind of summer kind ofas summer wound down and the
school year started up, thatpresents its own challenges.

(01:12:03):
I'm in a season of life whereit's a lot about being there for
my family at the moment.
And of course, as overdoers tendto do, I found myself thrust
back into the sports ball world.

(01:12:24):
And I have been volunteercoaching for local school.
Which if you think he'spassionate about oil.
Yeah.
You know, as an internal insightto how SFJ 4x4 works, we
oftentimes kind of talk abouthumans and each other as our six
week interests, right?

(01:12:45):
Humans oftentimes find a shinyobject figuratively and we get
really invested for six weeks.
And I think it's important thatwe continue to maintain that,
that humans continue to getexcited excited about things
that are new uh maybe somethingyou've pulled out of your closet
an old book that was on thebookshelf a movie that you used
to love that you used to watch alot those types of things i

(01:13:08):
think we do the same thing withuh tractors or atvs or festivals
or uh doing a particular homeproject and we get reinvigorated
it gives us purpose you know umas long as jeff doesn't come
over and tell you it's all wrongI have found myself thrust back

(01:13:28):
into an emotional roller coasterof my own athletic career.
For those who may or may not beaware, I was a pretty decorated
athlete at one time.
I've done a pretty good job ofshoving that down into a little
box because it doesn't matterwhen you become an adult.

(01:13:49):
But I've really been enjoyingbeing able to be there for my
kids and my family, um, andseeing the different things that
they are engaging in.
And so that's taken some, some,some interest or time, uh, or
it's kind of soda seat for me,uh, of sorts, um, taking some of

(01:14:11):
that as a viscous modifier, ifyou will.
Um, but otherwise, uh, we hadlots of, lots of athletics, lots
of family time.
The big thing is, uh, my wife asa teacher, uh, needed
desperately to paint her parkinglot.
Paint her spot.
Paint her spot.
Yes, the spot.

(01:14:31):
As a charitable fundraiser, wehad to pay for the luxury.
Of course, it was$20, sowhatever.
Of her ability to paint a spot,but can Simpsons just do a
little Mrs.
Simpson?
No.
No, this was an all-day affairof painting a parking spot.
I know it was.
With kids.
And you know the worst part iswe went into Home Depot and

(01:14:53):
you'll see pictures of my wifesewing I'm tagged into them.
And I really didn't want to bethat guy.
I was a little bit of a sourpuss.
I'll be honest with you.
Oh, you couldn't tell with yourshorty shorts on.
I was in my hoochie daddy shortsand I was pretty, pretty good
mood until, until, and we had agreat, like, of course, because
again, we can't do anything, youknow, half ass in any capacity.

(01:15:13):
It's all in or nothing.
All in.
So we've got, we've drawn asmall crowd at the Home Depot
paint desk because now my wifein her, her magical nature might
as well be like spinning anddancing and showing any person
who's willing to look her designthat she has conceptualized.
Yes.
They all, which many people whenthey look at my life are like,

(01:15:36):
you're crazy.
You're not actually going to doit.
Yes, we are.
But wait, we are.
So how much glitter?
So they make a special glitterpackages.
So we bought two of the primarypaints specific glitter
packages, which is, in the grandscheme of the world, a lot,

(01:15:58):
apparently.
Yeah.
And, of course, in blatantdelusion, my wife thought she
was just going to just buylittle sample packs to do her
paint.
And then I'm looking at it, andI'm like, there's no way in the
world that the little pintsample is going to do the design
she had.
So you were buying quarts?

(01:16:19):
Gallons.
Oh! Did you get glow-in-the-darkpaint?
We did not.
Oh.
We did not.
You missed an opportunity.
I did miss an opportunity.
But you will see that weactually– so a big shout-out to
Home Depot, to be freakinghonest.
They actually reduced pricing askind of like a– because I think
it was like one of those thingswhere– Well, when you buy$1,000

(01:16:41):
worth of paint for a parkingspace– We didn't, fortunately.
We didn't.
$500?
We didn't.
I'm not disclosing.
But I will say that actuallyHome Depot came out in a big way
and reduced stuff for us.
I didn't because they reduced itso much.
There you go.
Hashtag not sponsored.
But also because you will see apicture on my wife's where I am

(01:17:04):
covered in black paint becauseas I went to check out, I held
the court can to take a shotthis way and the court can
exploded over theirself-checkout because in the
throes of my wife dancingaround, sewing her magic to all
the people.
They forgot to seal that can.
They forgot to seal that onecan.
So as I pulled it out of thecardboard box that they had so

(01:17:27):
nicely provided us.
And I went to shoot it.
It spilled all over my hand, thecheckout register, so on and so
forth.
And so I just stood therecontemplating life once again,
going, what did I get myselfinto?
To which a case, another smallcrowd gathered as I just kind of
stood there staring at this candripping all over my hand,

(01:17:48):
spilled across the floor.
Did your hoochie shorts get anyblack paint on them?
Or are they near miss?
First of all, hoochie daddyshorts.
And no, I kept my shorts and myCrocs clean, which was 100% my
wife's thing going, well, atleast your shorts and shoes
didn't get any paint on thembecause she can find silver
lining in any moment.

(01:18:10):
Until next time, folks, Jeep on.
Jeep on.
Jeep on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:23):
We did.