April 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Colt Draine and Mac Mall
Let’s Talk About It 👇🏻
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Mac Mall's presence on our milestone 100th episode brings the authentic voice of Vallejo to listeners worldwide. The Bay Area legend opens up about the beautiful chaos of fatherhood, the responsibility of community leadership, and the transformative power of perseverance.
With remarkable candor, Mall shares fascinating insights into Vallejo folklore, including his chilling revelation about likely crossing paths with the infamous Zodiac Killer who called the same small city home. This conversation evolves into a powerful discussion about addressing community violence through positive action rather than empty words. "Words without opportunity is just wasteful," Mall emphasizes, explaining how true leadership means creating paths forward for younger generations.
The conversation takes a deeply spiritual turn as Mall recounts surviving a shooting that claimed his friend's life. "I don't believe in God, I know God," he declares, distinguishing between faith as concept versus lived experience. This profound gratitude shapes his approach to both music and mentorship. Hip-hop historians will appreciate Mall's breakdown of how Bay Area slang terms "Yee" and "Cuddy" originated and spread globally through the influence of artists like Mac Dre.
Looking toward the future, Mall discusses his upcoming book "Fizz or Die," his commitment to never selling his masters ("that's my generational wealth"), and his evolution as a performer now working with live bands at historic venues. From a child with a severe stutter to a respected voice in hip-hop, Mall's journey exemplifies the transformative power of dedication, community support, and divine protection. Follow @therealmagmall on Instagram to stay updated on his upcoming projects, including the repress of his classic album "Untouchable" dropping soon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, it's all good.
Let's run it All right, bro.
Hey shit, bro.
I haven't talked to you in awhile.
We got Mac Maul on the linehere at I Tell Stories.
What's good with you, bro?
How's Vallejo, the Bay Area andGeneral treating you, my friend
?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh, you know it's going down right now.
It's All-Star weekend, so youknow we got a lot of athletes
and celebrities out here doingtheir thing uh, you know man,
everything is good.
You feel me.
I'm a father of a four-year-old, so, yeah, I got my hands full
with that.
But everything is beautiful,man, just more music, more shows
, you know, more keeping itmackey hell yeah, dog bro.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I was so happy when you, when you told me you were
having a baby bro, it made mepretty excited and shit, you
know what I'm saying.
Like, that's right, I was likeback ball having a baby, come on
now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No, but that's hell, yeah, man, I mean it was just
time.
You know what I mean.
It was the right time with theright woman.
And, um, you know it's beenbeautiful it's been.
You know it's been a lot ofwork.
You feel me especially.
I'm hands-on, you know what Imean.
So you know I'm dealing withfinicky eaters and you know, uh,
bedtimes and all that, but it'slike it's definitely well worth
(01:08):
it.
And, uh, you know the title ofa father.
You know what I mean the besttitle ever, right?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
yeah, bro, I agree with that.
That that's 100, my friend.
Um, hey, you know, I'll justkick something off real quick
because I was looking into somevaleo shit.
Uh, because I don't know awhole lot about the area.
I used to stay down in EastOakland real quick and like
Hayward and such, but I wasn'tdown there long enough to get up
your way actually.
And one of the things I wascurious of is like what is there
(01:36):
any like folklore around thehood, like like ghost shit or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of folklore shit,
or anything like that.
I mean there's a lot, there's alot of folklore.
You know, uh, the, the man whothey basically said was the uh,
what's his name?
The zodiac killer?
Yeah, he basically lived invallejo.
Oh, like, I'm sure, I'm surethat i't been at a store or a
(02:03):
football game or the local pool,I'm sure that the city is so
small that I'm sure that Ihaven't been in the same room or
at the state fair or the cityfair with the Zodiac Killer and
he ends up.
You know they got a newdocumentary that's on Netflix
right now where they talk aboutit and it actually opens up.
(02:25):
The opening credits are at apool called the valeo plunge
that I used to go to damn, youfeel me and he was he.
He was always at the pool and uhyeah, the documentary is very
eye-opening and it really let meknow that I I know that I have
been around the zodiac killerbecause he died of old age.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Damn dog, that is a trip.
Yeah, that's some shit bro.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And the city is so small that you're going to bump
into somebody.
I don't care who it is.
We're going to be somewhere,whether it's at the DMV, whether
it's at a grocery store, ifit's at the fair, if it's at the
July, if it's at the july 4thuh parade, we're going to be by
each other.
Right, I'm sure that you know Ihave been by the actual zodiac
(03:12):
killer oh damn, that's a tripdog.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know the city I'm from billings montana is like
literally the same size as valeo, so I do understand that bro
yeah yeah, and where I'm at wegot the little people of the
Prior Mountains is like more ofa folklore.
There's a lot of killer shitgoing on there, but not a Zodiac
killer, that's a trip dog.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, the Zodiac killer.
Yes, sir, but you know I wantto give a shout out to my city.
You know there's a lot ofviolence now.
You know what I mean.
There's a lot of violence.
Now you know what I mean.
We losing a lot of young people.
You know what I mean.
You know one of the bad thingswas that our police per capita
shoot more innocent people thananywhere in the world.
(03:54):
You know, what I mean, oranywhere in the United States.
Rather, let me say that youknow, per capita we had more
police shootings than anybodyand now they're shooting police
shootings than anybody, and nowthey're shooting.
They just shot a littlefour-year-old girl, got caught
in a shootout in my neighborhood, the Crest, and you know it's
kind of bad.
You know what I mean right now.
(04:14):
But you know we got good thingslike LaRusso was bringing a lot
of positivity to the city withthe youngsters and stuff, but
there's also that negativity.
So we're just trying to, youknow, get through it and right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know, see the uh, the pot of gold at the end of
the rainbow right, bro, andbringing awareness and being
about your city is a thing myfriend and like that is
something that me and owen arepretty big about is, uh, just
human rights in general.
You know what I'm saying like,um, yeah, yeah none of this shit
, I mean me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I try to lead by example, you know what I'm
saying like um, yeah, yeah, noneof this shit.
I mean me.
I try to lead by example.
You know what I mean.
And I try to pick positiveyoungsters on.
I don't reinforce the negativeimages and stuff that they try
to sell us or try to put on us.
Any youngsters from myneighborhood that's doing
positive things I I have.
You know what I mean I have.
I give them plays, I give themgames.
(05:03):
You know I mean, and just tryto lead by example, because I
don't do that, I don't.
You know ride, ride.
You know what I mean.
I have positive vibes withpositive people by me and you
know we all about longevity.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You know what I mean, bro, that's exactly right, and
leading by example is the numberone thing.
How to teach people, my friend,because, like you can't, like
you know, talk somebody intosubmission to where they're
going to change their behaviorin that way.
I mean we all know that don'twork.
I mean I've been to prison andshit, and that didn't change me.
It took other things to changeme.
You know what I'm saying.
(05:35):
So, like by you being thatpositive community leader,
especially where you're at, bro,I mean I know how East Oakland
is, so I can only imagine youknow what I'm saying and you are
a figurehead there, dog.
As far as I'm concerned, it wasyou and Mac Drain, doobie and
(05:55):
E40, dog, you're like theleaders of that area.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, and we also tried to excuse me not to start
to cut you off.
Yeah, and we also try to excuseme not to start to cut you off,
but we also try to not talk tothem and not talk down to them.
But also, I believe that youcannot call yourself an OG
unless you really take care ofyour community and not only talk
to them, but you also give themopportunity, positive
(06:22):
opportunity.
Yes, you feel me, but you alsogive them opportunity, positive
opportunity.
Yes, you feel me, because mejust talking to you and not you
know what I mean.
You know, if you hungry and I'mtalking to you about, hey man,
I know you're starving, blah,blah, blah.
You can't eat them words.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Right you feel me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You need an opportunity to feed, to eat, and
you also need the knowledge tolearn to.
You know, catch your own foodand feed yourself.
Yeah, so you know what I mean.
Words without opportunity isjust wasteful.
You know what I mean.
But you also got to give them,youngsters, the opportunity.
You got to give themopportunity to to do something
(06:56):
positive right, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
yeah, don't, uh, don't get, don't give them fish,
teach them how to right.
Um, yes, sir, yeah, when I gotout of prison in 2004, there's a
native cat on the reservationby me and his name's superman,
and he's actually really big inall sorts of communities, just
like the macy's day parade.
He's a christian rapper, but,uh, he put me up on on how to
(07:18):
get my shit out there.
Uh, professionally, you know,and actually do do it.
You know what I'm saying and hewas one of the ones that put me
in the first studio I was everin and that changed my life, bro
, big time.
You know what I'm saying, so Ido understand that.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, we all need people like Superman.
We all need people like that,you feel me.
We all need people just to helpus.
You know what I mean, and notjust look at us as look down on
us.
You know what I mean Becauseyou know a lot of people who who
pulled themselves up.
They think that you know what Imean, that it wasn't God, it
was, it was them.
And if they can do it, anybodycan do it, but it's not.
(07:54):
It's not always like that, youfeel me, and it has to.
The stars have to align, haveprayer and God got to be with
you, are whoever is your higherpower, you know what I mean has
to be with you to to give youthe strength to fight another
day, to pull yourself out of thething, and a lot of people
(08:14):
don't have that.
You know, I don't believe thatit was just me.
I, you know.
I believe I had prayinggrandparents and I had people
who who was praying for me, evenwhen I wasn't praying for
myself right you feel me.
That's why I'm here right now.
You know, people ask me, youknow, do you believe in God?
No, I don't believe in God, Iknow God.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Knowing and believing is two different things.
I know because I have beenspared.
I have been saved, I have beenyou know what I mean and I'm not
, you know, go to church everySunday Christian type dude.
I wouldn't even, you know, putthat label on me.
But I do know that there issomething that makes the sun
rise and make the sun set youknow what I mean and something
(08:54):
that has saved me literally.
You know what I mean.
I had my friend die in my arms.
You know what I mean my homeboyKato.
May he rest in peace.
You feel me.
Yeah, and boy Kato man rest inpeace.
You feel me.
Yeah, and he was sitting rightin front of me.
If you read my book, my opinion, it talks about that.
He was sitting literally rightin front of me, yeah, and
instead of me dying, I gotthrown out.
(09:14):
The car too.
He ended up passing, you feelme.
Yeah bro, and it really justmade me look at life.
You know what I mean.
So I just know that.
You know what I mean.
We got to give these youngstersopportunity.
We got to give, not evenyoungsters adults too.
You know what I mean.
We got to just give people achance to, you know, because
that's why you never killyourself, because you know the
(09:35):
next day, the next minute, thenext hour, the next 30 minutes
can be the time to change yourlife.
Damn right, bro, you feel me.
So you just got to stay in thefight, you feel me.
It ain't about if you loseSometimes, it ain't about if you
win, it's about if you're downto fight.
You feel me, because as long asyou got breath in your body,
(09:57):
man, you know what I mean.
Hey, man, you got opportunityto change your life and change
the life of everybody arounddude, I really feel that, bro,
you took this in the rightfucking direction.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Dog, I really appreciate all that shit you're
saying.
I mean I never would havethought as a kid like listening
to untouchable.
That was the album I firststarted listening to yours.
And the Crest Side that track,bro, the Crest, that one just
always got to me yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, it reminded me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That was a love letter to my community.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Dude I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That was a love letter to my community.
You know what I mean, where, ifyou see the love that I have.
But you also hear that you knowthe bad side too.
You know what I mean of peoplethat we lost, people who ain't
never coming home right, peoplewho ain't.
You know I mean, but but it'slike you know, even though it's
(10:50):
messed up, I still love you andI still appreciate all the game
that you gave me.
Right?
You know what I mean.
That's why I wasn't no drillsong, even though drill wasn't
around then.
But it wasn't no song, justpumping it up, it was.
It was just a cool smooth beatand I'm just.
You know what I mean.
I'm damn near a blue song yeah,you feel me yeah, um, one thing
(11:10):
about untouchable I am we I amrepressing that.
You know what I mean, and thiswill be your first opportunity
to cop that uh in like 20 I meansince 20 years ago.
You know what I mean.
You have opportunity to copthat.
I should have it back from themanufacturer in about two or two
weeks or something.
So so just uh, check out my, uh, my instagram, the real mag and
(11:35):
you will be able to purchasethat Hell, yeah, dawg, yeah, I
actually got a copy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Still, oh, word, word , word, dude, that was like I'm
not even joking, man, I shouldhave reached out.
Yeah well, it's like a trip tome, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I should have reached out because I had to repress it
and I had to find like one forthe artwork and the CD and like
one for the artwork and the CDsand I end up asking you know, a
supporter, and I got thattogether.
So, yeah, damn you know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, no, that's the shit dog.
That is like my album, bro.
That's what turned me on to youand that was like kind of like
my childhood's like theme wasall that.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I really.
And then it trips me out, justlike you said, that perseverance
thing, like don't give up andshit, like being.
You know the age I was when Istarted listening to that.
I think I was only about 12,bro, and like I would have never
(12:24):
thought here now in my 40s thatI'd be talking to you on the
phone and have a relationshipwith you and doing like cool
things.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Respect.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, dog for real.
Hey, you want to go ahead?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean I'm thankful that that record was able to
mean something to you in youryoung life.
You feel me.
Oh, I did you are the personwho I did it for.
You know what I mean Getuncapped and people who could
appreciate it, so I'm glad thatthat meant something to you in
your life.
I appreciate you Fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, dog, no, I really did.
That's definitely a thing forme, hey, so you talked about my
opinion and shit, you have a newbook coming out, right, you
were talking about yeah, I'mactually right now I'm writing
the new book.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The new book is called Fizz or Die and it
basically starts off where thelast book ended.
And it starts off when Mac Drecomes to my I was living in
frisco after my wreck and macdray came to my uh apartment
that I had there in davey cityand, uh, the book starts from
there and it starts with usreconnecting, start to work on
(13:28):
the us open and he's justbecoming, you know, part of this
, this nation and just the wholecollective.
And he goes from there, talksabout Kansas City, talks about
him getting murdered, it justtalks about everything and it
basically goes up to what I'mdoing right now.
He talks about me putting outthe book, me putting out the
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skateboards, me putting out thefashion, me touring, traveling
and all the stuff that came withThea's you know what I mean and
Thea's indictment that tookhella people to jail.
He me touring, traveling andall the stuff that came with
fears you know what I mean andthe the fears indictment that
took hella people to jail.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He talked about all that okay, shit, no, I'm in, I'm
gonna be getting me a copy forsure, dog.
Um, yeah, man, that thatactually like, because we're
gonna this is gonna be our 100thepisode, my friend, this one
and shit and uh, one of thecongratulations, congratulations
, thanks, man, and uh the.
The big thing for me and owenis, is that that cutty say ye,
that's like our damn theme, fromlike where we were staying at
(14:22):
uh, for a long time we call itthe shantyplex because it's
pretty gutter, little four housesection and shit, and that's
what we used to do is be like yelike all the time.
And when we first heard the usopen it was like, oh fuck, there
we are.
You know what I'm saying.
And my question on that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, the Yee.
Let me tell you a story aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I want to know it actually came from.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
you know that was basically a South Richmond thing
.
Shout out to the Manor, shoutout to you know what I mean to
Filthy Field, the first rapperthat was ever on America's Most
Wanted Filthy Field, the firstrapper that was ever on
America's Most Wanted FilthyPhil.
You know what I mean.
The Manor, because they saythat out there, they say yee,
(15:02):
yee.
Right Now, the thing thathappened, that brought that to
the crest, is that when Mac Dreand the Cuddys had went to
Lumpop you know Lumpop Federal,usp or whatever they had hooked
up with a dude named Drack upout of South Richmond and stuff.
So the Richmond and the Crest,you know they intermingled and
(15:25):
you know they started using thatas kind of a bait thing.
And then Mac Dre, he brought itfrom the Fed and since he was
so popular you know what I meanit went throughout the Crest to
since he was so popular, youknow what I mean.
It went throughout the crest towhere it was a crest thing.
It was only only the crest andsouth richmond city.
That was the only people damnyou know what I mean.
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And and then you know, with draybeing so big, it just it took a
richmond thing and put itthroughout the bay and
throughout the country.
You know what I mean.
Now it's just like you know.
Just like cud, like Cuddy.
The word Cuddy Right Only Crestdudes would say Cuddy.
Right Now Cuddy is worldwidenow, yeah, it is.
It's going to be literallyworldwide Cuddy Yo.
(16:06):
It was like back in the day inLA if a cat said what's up blood
, you would.
What's up blood, you would knowhe was a blood right the cat
said what's up cuddy?
I mean what's up cuz?
You would know he was a crip.
Right in vallejo it used to be.
If a dude said, hey, what's upsaha?
That means he was a heelsider,he was wearing from e40 numbers,
(16:26):
oh okay, and he said what's upcuddy?
That means he was from thecrest.
Nobody else said that, you justanswered the question going
back to the ye thing.
Yeah, the ye thing came fromthe Manor Richmond to the
federal penitentiary, to Max Ray.
Max Ray brought it back to theCrest.
It went from the Crest toWorldwide.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yo landed at our laps as well.
Man, hey, Owen, yeah, what's?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
up.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You want to ask him a question?
Owen had a couple questions foryou.
Real quick I'm going to let youguys kind of talk real fast.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's all good.
Yeah, what's up, man?
First of all like thank you somuch for being on the show.
Your shit's so dope and whatyou're saying about just
community is amazing.
I do want to say first off thatof all the shit, just the verse
(17:18):
on Midnight on a Bay I'm fromthe Crescent, I ain't playing
with a full deck it makes mefucking happy any time I fucking
hear that.
It just I mean seriously, butdo you think there is hope for
hip-hop in the future?
Because, like the, shit thatsucks.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
First of all, I want to say this Midnight in the Bay
and a lot of the beginning FizzNation like the Value 1 and 2
and 3, we were recording in whatwas it?
In North Oakland, in a bigwarehouse, right, we had two
studios up in there, one big oneand we called it Disneyland.
This one was with Jack andJohnny Cash.
(18:03):
Everybody used to meet at thisstudio and we called it
Disneyland and we would justwork, we would hop on songs.
That's why you hear a lot ofdifferent collaborations of the
Fizz Camps, because those werethe people who were there.
That was in the studio.
That's how a lot of those dopesongs came along was because of
(18:28):
Disneyland in North Oakland.
Now, you asked me about as faras hope for hip-hop, you know
what I mean.
They are trying very hard to uh, to take the control and to buy
all the masters and take thecontrol and they try to give you
the illusion, because ofstreaming, that your masters are
(18:50):
not worth something.
And hey, yeah, we give you, youknow, 20, 30 million, 40
million for these masters.
Hey, they're not doing that now, you know, just for streaming.
But I see, I don't believe that.
I believe they wouldn't want tobuy them if they weren't worth
anything.
Right, you feel me, thingschange.
The way that people consumemusic, change me.
(19:12):
I own every record that I everput out, 50 or 100, and I will
never sell my master.
You feel me, that is mygenerational wealth.
Those will be things that Ipass down to my children and my
grandchildren.
You feel me, I had to fighthard to own them.
So there's no way, you know,I'm I'm giving them up.
You know what I mean, uh, and Ithink that you know, with just
(19:35):
the way that people consumemusic, you know I used to have
that when I was younger, youused to have to have a record
deal.
Now, all you have to have is acomputer and a microphone and
you can be media.
You can be a rapper, a musician, you can be just a talking head
.
Whatever you want to be, youcan be, and there's a lot of
(19:56):
chances to be independent.
You don't have to be a musician.
You can be a manager, you canget into graphic arts.
You can do just so many things,man, from your home.
You know what I mean.
So in one sense, even thoughthey're trying to take back so
much, I mean just withtechnology and the way that the
world is going and social media,we have more control than we
(20:18):
ever had.
So it's just what do you want?
You know what I mean.
At the end of the day, this isa job, this is a career.
You know what I mean.
So you can chase fame or youcan set your claim in the
motherfucking field and go foryours.
You know what I mean.
And start out small and become,go for yours.
You know what I mean.
And start out small and becomebig, you know.
(20:38):
So I do believe we have afuture.
I just think that it's notgoing to be the.
You know it's going to be adifferent way than I got it.
The industry is going adifferent way than we have saw
it.
You know what I mean.
So it's the opportunities, themoney and everything is going to
be right there.
It's going to have a differentlook.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Damn Good words, man, but what else did you got for
me?
I know you had another question.
You wanted to ask him, bro.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Man.
What's the place I have to eat?
My mom, she stays in Davis.
It's about an hour from Vallejo.
What's the place we have to go?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
eat in Vallejo Like the best place to eat If you
were in Vallejo.
There's a spot on the otherside of the Carquinas called
Dead Fish that has a beautifulview of the Carquinas Bridge and
they serve dope food.
I also need one of my favoritesin San Francisco.
It's called Bang Long andthat's the spot that you hear
(21:41):
Matt Dre talk about a lot in hisraps and crustaceans.
It's basically Bang Longcrustaceans are the same owner,
but they have the secret saltand pepper crab that you have to
come out to here and try thegarlic noodles.
You know what I mean.
It's definitely a celebrationspot.
So banglong crustaceans anddead fish Damn Love it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes, hell.
Yeah.
Do you have anything else for amoment?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, when y'all touch down, call me, man, I'll
pull up on y'all.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Hell yeah, bro.
I was going to say, if I rollout there, it's on me.
And also, what are you smokingon?
Still Backwoods, or, like youknow, we got these fucking hash
oil, pans and shit.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, man, my baby mother is a hippie.
You feel me, so you know what Imean.
She has me on wallpapers a lot,you feel me.
Okay, fuck yeah, bro, you feelme.
(22:52):
So you know what I mean.
She had me on raw papers a lot,you feel me.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
But uh, as far as the tree, you know, I I live
actually up here in uh, you know, in lake county.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I live up here about humboldt county, so this is.
It's basically a whole.
Oh, okay, you know what I mean.
Right now I'm smoking.
Hold on, what's that shit?
Damn, I'm smoking.
It's called Blue Hair Band, butit's by a company, king
something.
You know the hash-infused,keith-infused joint, so I'm
smoking on that right now.
Blue Hair Band.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh yeah, oh yeah man, that's a good direction my
friend, hey, uh, so, uh, what,what else you got coming in the
future?
You're mentioning you're gonnado some shows coming up soon and
some projects are uh coming outand things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I'm very yeah um, last year, last year was my
first time performing with a?
Uh, with a live band.
Nice and uh, know what I mean.
Shout out to my boy, kev Choice, my band director.
Well, it was basically theywanted me to perform at a spot
(23:49):
called Neo Soul House Party andit's basically an upscale brunch
thing, and it was somethingthat I did on a uh.
You know a?
Uh, a rooftop supper club insan francisco was a very dressed
up thing and, uh, I performedwith a live band and, and this
year I'm gearing up to perform,um, if not april, the mid to
(24:15):
late may, I'm performing with alive band at Yoshi's, which is a
historic blues club that theyhave in Bay Area.
All the big acts, all the R&Bacts, they come and perform here
and I'm going to be performingthere with the live band and I'm
looking forward to it.
The first time I performed witha live band was the first time
(24:38):
that I actually had my mother orfather come to my show.
And over 30 years that I've beenin hip hop.
This was the first show thatthey actually saw me and, you
know, just blew their mind.
So I'm looking forward to doingit at the historic Yoshi's Club
in Oakland and it's going to bea big deal, man.
I'm going to do a short film,you know, showing the practices
(25:01):
and you know just everythingthat goes along and making this
night happen.
So I'm definitely going to lookout for that.
But I'm also touring with BeLegit and Selly Sale.
You know what I mean.
We on the Bay Bosses tour andI'm also doing a lot of shows
with my Cuddy Doobie.
You know what I mean.
(25:21):
We're doing a lot of shows.
I mean I'm one of the mostbooked uh artists in the bay
area.
You know what I mean.
If you, if you follow myinstagram, you see I have two,
three shows every single monthand I'm uh.
I'm thankful to god and thefans and supporters that I'm
able to still you know what Imean be relevant, put, put asses
in seats.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, bro, for sure.
Hey, you were talking aboutthat live band thing.
One of my daughters she's 17right now One of her favorite
tracks is Ism from Rebuild.
Yeah, that shit's dope.
That gives me that live band.
Feel you know what I'm saying.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, we do a lot of stuff.
I mean, for this performanceI'm going to be pulling out a
lot of, you know, my friends andpeople who I've done songs with
.
It's going to be a beautifulnight, man, you know it's
definitely the kind of nightthat you know.
You and the girl dress up,y'all come out.
You know what I mean.
And drink and look, fly and hearsome dope music Hell, some dope
(26:20):
music, hell.
Yeah, the band that I had.
That's why, kev Choice, I giveyou much love because of the
band director.
You know I was kind of nervousbecause you know I had a rock
rap band with Ray Love calledCrying Scene.
Okay, you know you can find iton YouTube and stuff, and with
Crying Scene it was like we didso we had to just to be okay,
(26:42):
right.
So I was kind of intimidatedabout that.
But my boy, kev choice man, hejust you know he, he's also an
artist, so he kind of you know,he grew up with the music, so he
was just like soon as we startpracticing.
I knew that it was gonna comeoff like gangbusters, because
you know he, he does his thingyeah, dog, that's ill.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love that shit.
I'm really proud of you, dog.
I don't know how else to saythat Like it makes me happy and
excited.
And I appreciate that, yeah,like I feel like a genuine like
damn bro, I'm really happyyou're going this way, man, and
that you made it through allthat, because I do know how
difficult a lot of that stuffcan be.
I know you've overcome a lotand like, just look at you, dog.
(27:20):
Like look at you now.
Would you ever thought whenyou're a little kid that this
what you'd be doing?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
uh, nah, not really man, because you know, as a
child, you feel me like.
You know, I used to stutter.
I had a severe stutter problem.
I couldn't even talk.
You know what I mean.
Now, my whole life has beenbased around me running my mouth
.
So of course I, just as thatlittle kid who couldn't say
hello to you, you feel mewithout stuttering.
I would not have think that Iwould be, you know, spitting
(27:49):
into me, you feel me, and andjust with the, you know, with
the surroundings and everything.
That's that's why I, you know,I, give the glory to the higher
powers man, to my ancestors, youknow, for keeping me solid and
praying for me even when Iwasn't praying, or you know what
I mean.
I know that it wasn't just me.
I know, with people whoactually love me, and and even
the people who love what I do Iknew I wouldn't be in this
(28:13):
entertainment if it wasn't, youknow, for the people who say,
hey, man, that song changed mylife, right, that song made me
think away, or or that song justgave me a feeling.
You feel me, because I knowthat music has got me through it
.
So, so for me to be somebody whoactually, you know, give that
love out to the people and makethem feel the way hey man, I'm,
(28:34):
you know I'm I, I.
I can't ask for nothing else.
You feel me and I feeldefinitely thankful and I feel
appreciate.
You know, I appreciate thepeople who appreciate me.
You know what I mean Straightup, because it has been a
struggle and every day, everyday ain't sunny you know what I
mean.
But hey man, I'm going to makeit to the next one.
You feel me, god willing.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Fuck yeah, dog, I love that Before.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Fuck yeah dog, I love that before we start to wrap
things up, bro Owen, do you gotanything else?
for him that you can tell usjust I can't even thank you
enough for shit.
Your music amazing.
But then to like all of thisthat you're talking about life,
man, as we get older and shitlike so this podcast has been
(29:23):
the call got me on.
I told him I never would havethought to be on one.
All this shit's been personalin a certain way.
But this is like, yeah, justlike I can't thank you enough,
man, and I'm going to fuckingcrack some fucking Mack Maul
this evening and fucking justenjoy.
Thank y'all for having me onthe 100th episode, man.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That means a lot, man , and I want to commend y'all
for working hard, you know,because some people quit after
two episodes.
And y'all on your 100th one andI'm on it.
So thank y'all for having me,man, I appreciate y'all and and
I'm on it.
So thank y'all for having me,man, I appreciate y'all and I
want to come out there, man, todo a show man, so let's get it
together.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
We can get that going bro, If you're ever, ever have
the misfortune of being inBillings, montana.
Come by the shop, like I namedthis shit after after, well,
shit, he was Lynch Colt got hisyou know blue pitbull, and then
got the brother lynched.
(30:24):
That'll be my first stopbrother.
Yeah, now I call him Boogie.
After Boogie Down Productionswe got a fucking shop.
I'm trying to get Colt andNicole to open one out there, if
we can get the funds.
Just Boogie's bodega.
If you're ever in montana andbillings like, come by and I'm
looking hell yeah, bro, no doubtman, hopefully, hopefully I can
(30:49):
be on this.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Uh, the 200, 200th episode oh, that's gonna be a
thing now bro that's gonna be athing, bro, that's gonna be a
thing, hell yeah we gotta get towork.
yeah, no man, that this is goodbro, hell, yeah, I mean, like
all that positivity you weretalking, bro, that's exactly
what we're about right now, andhis shop there in billings
montana is all about communityand just trying to like make
(31:13):
sure people are okay and have aplace to go and stuff.
I mean he even stayed open onchristmas this year for the
people who didn't have familiesto pop by and stuff like that
and just hang out.
Oh, that's beautiful man,that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, bro, so that's beautiful man, but yeah, man.
Shout out to Bill in Montana.
Man, hey, yeah, Shout out toy'all man.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
All right, brother.
Well, I I hope you have a greatrest of your day.
Dog, I'll be giving you a callhere in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
All right, no doubt, hey man, shout out to everybody
you know what I mean, who'slistening to this man?
And I'll see y'all on episode200.
All right, yee.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Hell yeah, all right, brother, I'll talk to you Yee,
yee yee yeah.
All right man peace.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yee Much love everybody, Thank you.
Okay, it's all good.
Let's run it All right, bro.
Hey shit, bro.
I haven't talked to you in awhile.
We got Mac Maul on the linehere at I Tell Stories.
What's good with you, bro?
How's Vallejo, the Bay Area andGeneral treating you, my friend
?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh, you know it's going down right now.
It's All-Star weekend, so youknow we got a lot of athletes
and celebrities out here doingtheir thing uh, you know man,
everything is good.
You feel me.
I'm a father of a four-year-old, so, yeah, I got my hands full
with that.
But everything is beautiful,man, just more music, more shows
, you know, more keeping itmackey hell yeah, dog bro.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I was so happy when you, when you told me you were
having a baby bro, it made mepretty excited and shit, you
know what I'm saying.
Like, that's right, I was likeback ball having a baby, come on
now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No, but that's hell, yeah, man, I mean it was just
time.
You know what I mean.
It was the right time with theright woman.
And, um, you know it's beenbeautiful it's been.
You know it's been a lot ofwork.
You feel me especially.
I'm hands-on, you know what Imean.
So you know I'm dealing withfinicky eaters and you know, uh,
bedtimes and all that, but it'slike it's definitely well worth
(01:08):
it.
And, uh, you know the title ofa father.
You know what I mean the besttitle ever, right?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
yeah, bro, I agree with that.
That that's 100, my friend.
Um, hey, you know, I'll justkick something off real quick
because I was looking into somevaleo shit.
Uh, because I don't know awhole lot about the area.
I used to stay down in EastOakland real quick and like
Hayward and such, but I wasn'tdown there long enough to get up
your way actually.
And one of the things I wascurious of is like what is there
(01:36):
any like folklore around thehood, like like ghost shit or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of folklore shit,
or anything like that.
I mean there's a lot, there's alot of folklore.
You know, uh, the, the man whothey basically said was the uh,
what's his name?
The zodiac killer?
Yeah, he basically lived invallejo.
Oh, like, I'm sure, I'm surethat i't been at a store or a
(02:03):
football game or the local pool,I'm sure that the city is so
small that I'm sure that Ihaven't been in the same room or
at the state fair or the cityfair with the Zodiac Killer and
he ends up.
You know they got a newdocumentary that's on Netflix
right now where they talk aboutit and it actually opens up.
(02:25):
The opening credits are at apool called the valeo plunge
that I used to go to damn, youfeel me and he was he.
He was always at the pool and uhyeah, the documentary is very
eye-opening and it really let meknow that I I know that I have
been around the zodiac killerbecause he died of old age.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Damn dog, that is a trip.
Yeah, that's some shit bro.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And the city is so small that you're going to bump
into somebody.
I don't care who it is.
We're going to be somewhere,whether it's at the DMV, whether
it's at a grocery store, ifit's at the fair, if it's at the
July, if it's at the july 4thuh parade, we're going to be by
each other.
Right, I'm sure that you know Ihave been by the actual zodiac
(03:12):
killer oh damn, that's a tripdog.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know the city I'm from billings montana is like
literally the same size as valeo, so I do understand that bro
yeah yeah, and where I'm at wegot the little people of the
Prior Mountains is like more ofa folklore.
There's a lot of killer shitgoing on there, but not a Zodiac
killer, that's a trip dog.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, the Zodiac killer.
Yes, sir, but you know I wantto give a shout out to my city.
You know there's a lot ofviolence now.
You know what I mean.
There's a lot of violence.
Now you know what I mean.
We losing a lot of young people.
You know what I mean.
You know one of the bad thingswas that our police per capita
shoot more innocent people thananywhere in the world.
(03:54):
You know, what I mean, oranywhere in the United States.
Rather, let me say that youknow, per capita we had more
police shootings than anybodyand now they're shooting police
shootings than anybody, and nowthey're shooting.
They just shot a littlefour-year-old girl, got caught
in a shootout in my neighborhood, the Crest, and you know it's
kind of bad.
You know what I mean right now.
(04:14):
But you know we got good thingslike LaRusso was bringing a lot
of positivity to the city withthe youngsters and stuff, but
there's also that negativity.
So we're just trying to, youknow, get through it and right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know, see the uh, the pot of gold at the end of
the rainbow right, bro, andbringing awareness and being
about your city is a thing myfriend and like that is
something that me and owen arepretty big about is, uh, just
human rights in general.
You know what I'm saying like,um, yeah, yeah none of this shit
, I mean me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I try to lead by example, you know what I'm
saying like um, yeah, yeah, noneof this shit.
I mean me.
I try to lead by example.
You know what I mean.
And I try to pick positiveyoungsters on.
I don't reinforce the negativeimages and stuff that they try
to sell us or try to put on us.
Any youngsters from myneighborhood that's doing
positive things I I have.
You know what I mean I have.
I give them plays, I give themgames.
(05:03):
You know I mean, and just tryto lead by example, because I
don't do that, I don't.
You know ride, ride.
You know what I mean.
I have positive vibes withpositive people by me and you
know we all about longevity.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You know what I mean, bro, that's exactly right, and
leading by example is the numberone thing.
How to teach people, my friend,because, like you can't, like
you know, talk somebody intosubmission to where they're
going to change their behaviorin that way.
I mean we all know that don'twork.
I mean I've been to prison andshit, and that didn't change me.
It took other things to changeme.
You know what I'm saying.
(05:35):
So, like by you being thatpositive community leader,
especially where you're at, bro,I mean I know how East Oakland
is, so I can only imagine youknow what I'm saying and you are
a figurehead there, dog.
As far as I'm concerned, it wasyou and Mac Drain, doobie and
(05:55):
E40, dog, you're like theleaders of that area.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, and we also tried to excuse me not to start
to cut you off.
Yeah, and we also try to excuseme not to start to cut you off,
but we also try to not talk tothem and not talk down to them.
But also, I believe that youcannot call yourself an OG
unless you really take care ofyour community and not only talk
to them, but you also give themopportunity, positive
(06:22):
opportunity.
Yes, you feel me, but you alsogive them opportunity, positive
opportunity.
Yes, you feel me, because mejust talking to you and not you
know what I mean.
You know, if you hungry and I'mtalking to you about, hey man,
I know you're starving, blah,blah, blah.
You can't eat them words.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Right you feel me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You need an opportunity to feed, to eat, and
you also need the knowledge tolearn to.
You know, catch your own foodand feed yourself.
Yeah, so you know what I mean.
Words without opportunity isjust wasteful.
You know what I mean.
But you also got to give them,youngsters, the opportunity.
You got to give themopportunity to to do something
(06:56):
positive right, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
yeah, don't, uh, don't get, don't give them fish,
teach them how to right.
Um, yes, sir, yeah, when I gotout of prison in 2004, there's a
native cat on the reservationby me and his name's superman,
and he's actually really big inall sorts of communities, just
like the macy's day parade.
He's a christian rapper, but,uh, he put me up on on how to
(07:18):
get my shit out there.
Uh, professionally, you know,and actually do do it.
You know what I'm saying and hewas one of the ones that put me
in the first studio I was everin and that changed my life, bro
, big time.
You know what I'm saying, so Ido understand that.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, we all need people like Superman.
We all need people like that,you feel me.
We all need people just to helpus.
You know what I mean, and notjust look at us as look down on
us.
You know what I mean Becauseyou know a lot of people who who
pulled themselves up.
They think that you know what Imean, that it wasn't God, it
was, it was them.
And if they can do it, anybodycan do it, but it's not.
(07:54):
It's not always like that, youfeel me, and it has to.
The stars have to align, haveprayer and God got to be with
you, are whoever is your higherpower, you know what I mean has
to be with you to to give youthe strength to fight another
day, to pull yourself out of thething, and a lot of people
(08:14):
don't have that.
You know, I don't believe thatit was just me.
I, you know.
I believe I had prayinggrandparents and I had people
who who was praying for me, evenwhen I wasn't praying for
myself right you feel me.
That's why I'm here right now.
You know, people ask me, youknow, do you believe in God?
No, I don't believe in God, Iknow God.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Knowing and believing is two different things.
I know because I have beenspared.
I have been saved, I have beenyou know what I mean and I'm not
, you know, go to church everySunday Christian type dude.
I wouldn't even, you know, putthat label on me.
But I do know that there issomething that makes the sun
rise and make the sun set youknow what I mean and something
(08:54):
that has saved me literally.
You know what I mean.
I had my friend die in my arms.
You know what I mean my homeboyKato.
May he rest in peace.
You feel me.
Yeah, and boy Kato man rest inpeace.
You feel me.
Yeah, and he was sitting rightin front of me.
If you read my book, my opinion, it talks about that.
He was sitting literally rightin front of me, yeah, and
instead of me dying, I gotthrown out.
(09:14):
The car too.
He ended up passing, you feelme.
Yeah bro, and it really justmade me look at life.
You know what I mean.
So I just know that.
You know what I mean.
We got to give these youngstersopportunity.
We got to give, not evenyoungsters adults too.
You know what I mean.
We got to just give people achance to, you know, because
that's why you never killyourself, because you know the
(09:35):
next day, the next minute, thenext hour, the next 30 minutes
can be the time to change yourlife.
Damn right, bro, you feel me.
So you just got to stay in thefight, you feel me.
It ain't about if you loseSometimes, it ain't about if you
win, it's about if you're downto fight.
You feel me, because as long asyou got breath in your body,
(09:57):
man, you know what I mean.
Hey, man, you got opportunityto change your life and change
the life of everybody arounddude, I really feel that, bro,
you took this in the rightfucking direction.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Dog, I really appreciate all that shit you're
saying.
I mean I never would havethought as a kid like listening
to untouchable.
That was the album I firststarted listening to yours.
And the Crest Side that track,bro, the Crest, that one just
always got to me yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, it reminded me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That was a love letter to my community.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Dude I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That was a love letter to my community.
You know what I mean, where, ifyou see the love that I have.
But you also hear that you knowthe bad side too.
You know what I mean of peoplethat we lost, people who ain't
never coming home right, peoplewho ain't.
You know I mean, but but it'slike you know, even though it's
(10:50):
messed up, I still love you andI still appreciate all the game
that you gave me.
Right?
You know what I mean.
That's why I wasn't no drillsong, even though drill wasn't
around then.
But it wasn't no song, justpumping it up, it was.
It was just a cool smooth beatand I'm just.
You know what I mean.
I'm damn near a blue song yeah,you feel me yeah, um, one thing
(11:10):
about untouchable I am we I amrepressing that.
You know what I mean, and thiswill be your first opportunity
to cop that uh in like 20 I meansince 20 years ago.
You know what I mean.
You have opportunity to copthat.
I should have it back from themanufacturer in about two or two
weeks or something.
So so just uh, check out my, uh, my instagram, the real mag and
(11:35):
you will be able to purchasethat Hell, yeah, dawg, yeah, I
actually got a copy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Still, oh, word, word , word, dude, that was like I'm
not even joking, man, I shouldhave reached out.
Yeah well, it's like a trip tome, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I should have reached out because I had to repress it
and I had to find like one forthe artwork and the CD and like
one for the artwork and the CDsand I end up asking you know, a
supporter, and I got thattogether.
So, yeah, damn you know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, no, that's the shit dog.
That is like my album, bro.
That's what turned me on to youand that was like kind of like
my childhood's like theme wasall that.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I really.
And then it trips me out, justlike you said, that perseverance
thing, like don't give up andshit, like being.
You know the age I was when Istarted listening to that.
I think I was only about 12,bro, and like I would have never
(12:24):
thought here now in my 40s thatI'd be talking to you on the
phone and have a relationshipwith you and doing like cool
things.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Respect.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, dog for real.
Hey, you want to go ahead?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean I'm thankful that that record was able to
mean something to you in youryoung life.
You feel me.
Oh, I did you are the personwho I did it for.
You know what I mean Getuncapped and people who could
appreciate it, so I'm glad thatthat meant something to you in
your life.
I appreciate you Fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, dog, no, I really did.
That's definitely a thing forme, hey, so you talked about my
opinion and shit, you have a newbook coming out, right, you
were talking about yeah, I'mactually right now I'm writing
the new book.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The new book is called Fizz or Die and it
basically starts off where thelast book ended.
And it starts off when Mac Drecomes to my I was living in
frisco after my wreck and macdray came to my uh apartment
that I had there in davey cityand, uh, the book starts from
there and it starts with usreconnecting, start to work on
(13:28):
the us open and he's justbecoming, you know, part of this
, this nation and just the wholecollective.
And he goes from there, talksabout Kansas City, talks about
him getting murdered, it justtalks about everything and it
basically goes up to what I'mdoing right now.
He talks about me putting outthe book, me putting out the
(13:49):
skateboards, me putting out thefashion, me touring, traveling
and all the stuff that came withThea's you know what I mean and
Thea's indictment that tookhella people to jail.
He me touring, traveling andall the stuff that came with
fears you know what I mean andthe the fears indictment that
took hella people to jail.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He talked about all that okay, shit, no, I'm in, I'm
gonna be getting me a copy forsure, dog.
Um, yeah, man, that thatactually like, because we're
gonna this is gonna be our 100thepisode, my friend, this one
and shit and uh, one of thecongratulations, congratulations
, thanks, man, and uh the.
The big thing for me and owenis, is that that cutty say ye,
that's like our damn theme, fromlike where we were staying at
(14:22):
uh, for a long time we call itthe shantyplex because it's
pretty gutter, little four housesection and shit, and that's
what we used to do is be like yelike all the time.
And when we first heard the usopen it was like, oh fuck, there
we are.
You know what I'm saying.
And my question on that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, the Yee.
Let me tell you a story aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I want to know it actually came from.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
you know that was basically a South Richmond thing
.
Shout out to the Manor, shoutout to you know what I mean to
Filthy Field, the first rapperthat was ever on America's Most
Wanted Filthy Field, the firstrapper that was ever on
America's Most Wanted FilthyPhil.
You know what I mean.
The Manor, because they saythat out there, they say yee,
(15:02):
yee.
Right Now, the thing thathappened, that brought that to
the crest, is that when Mac Dreand the Cuddys had went to
Lumpop you know Lumpop Federal,usp or whatever they had hooked
up with a dude named Drack upout of South Richmond and stuff.
So the Richmond and the Crest,you know they intermingled and
(15:25):
you know they started using thatas kind of a bait thing.
And then Mac Dre, he brought itfrom the Fed and since he was
so popular you know what I meanit went throughout the Crest to
since he was so popular, youknow what I mean.
It went throughout the crest towhere it was a crest thing.
It was only only the crest andsouth richmond city.
That was the only people damnyou know what I mean.
(15:45):
And and then you know, with draybeing so big, it just it took a
richmond thing and put itthroughout the bay and
throughout the country.
You know what I mean.
Now it's just like you know.
Just like cud, like Cuddy.
The word Cuddy Right Only Crestdudes would say Cuddy.
Right Now Cuddy is worldwidenow, yeah, it is.
It's going to be literallyworldwide Cuddy Yo.
(16:06):
It was like back in the day inLA if a cat said what's up blood
, you would.
What's up blood, you would knowhe was a blood right the cat
said what's up cuddy?
I mean what's up cuz?
You would know he was a crip.
Right in vallejo it used to be.
If a dude said, hey, what's upsaha?
That means he was a heelsider,he was wearing from e40 numbers,
(16:26):
oh okay, and he said what's upcuddy?
That means he was from thecrest.
Nobody else said that, you justanswered the question going
back to the ye thing.
Yeah, the ye thing came fromthe Manor Richmond to the
federal penitentiary, to Max Ray.
Max Ray brought it back to theCrest.
It went from the Crest toWorldwide.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yo landed at our laps as well.
Man, hey, Owen, yeah, what's?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
up.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You want to ask him a question?
Owen had a couple questions foryou.
Real quick I'm going to let youguys kind of talk real fast.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's all good.
Yeah, what's up, man?
First of all like thank you somuch for being on the show.
Your shit's so dope and whatyou're saying about just
community is amazing.
I do want to say first off thatof all the shit, just the verse
(17:18):
on Midnight on a Bay I'm fromthe Crescent, I ain't playing
with a full deck it makes mefucking happy any time I fucking
hear that.
It just I mean seriously, butdo you think there is hope for
hip-hop in the future?
Because, like the, shit thatsucks.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
First of all, I want to say this Midnight in the Bay
and a lot of the beginning FizzNation like the Value 1 and 2
and 3, we were recording in whatwas it?
In North Oakland, in a bigwarehouse, right, we had two
studios up in there, one big oneand we called it Disneyland.
This one was with Jack andJohnny Cash.
(18:03):
Everybody used to meet at thisstudio and we called it
Disneyland and we would justwork, we would hop on songs.
That's why you hear a lot ofdifferent collaborations of the
Fizz Camps, because those werethe people who were there.
That was in the studio.
That's how a lot of those dopesongs came along was because of
(18:28):
Disneyland in North Oakland.
Now, you asked me about as faras hope for hip-hop, you know
what I mean.
They are trying very hard to uh, to take the control and to buy
all the masters and take thecontrol and they try to give you
the illusion, because ofstreaming, that your masters are
(18:50):
not worth something.
And hey, yeah, we give you, youknow, 20, 30 million, 40
million for these masters.
Hey, they're not doing that now, you know, just for streaming.
But I see, I don't believe that.
I believe they wouldn't want tobuy them if they weren't worth
anything.
Right, you feel me, thingschange.
The way that people consumemusic, change me.
(19:12):
I own every record that I everput out, 50 or 100, and I will
never sell my master.
You feel me, that is mygenerational wealth.
Those will be things that Ipass down to my children and my
grandchildren.
You feel me, I had to fighthard to own them.
So there's no way, you know,I'm I'm giving them up.
You know what I mean, uh, and Ithink that you know, with just
(19:35):
the way that people consumemusic, you know I used to have
that when I was younger, youused to have to have a record
deal.
Now, all you have to have is acomputer and a microphone and
you can be media.
You can be a rapper, a musician, you can be just a talking head
.
Whatever you want to be, youcan be, and there's a lot of
(19:56):
chances to be independent.
You don't have to be a musician.
You can be a manager, you canget into graphic arts.
You can do just so many things,man, from your home.
You know what I mean.
So in one sense, even thoughthey're trying to take back so
much, I mean just withtechnology and the way that the
world is going and social media,we have more control than we
(20:18):
ever had.
So it's just what do you want?
You know what I mean.
At the end of the day, this isa job, this is a career.
You know what I mean.
So you can chase fame or youcan set your claim in the
motherfucking field and go foryours.
You know what I mean.
And start out small and become,go for yours.
You know what I mean.
And start out small and becomebig, you know.
(20:38):
So I do believe we have afuture.
I just think that it's notgoing to be the.
You know it's going to be adifferent way than I got it.
The industry is going adifferent way than we have saw
it.
You know what I mean.
So it's the opportunities, themoney and everything is going to
be right there.
It's going to have a differentlook.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Damn Good words, man, but what else did you got for
me?
I know you had another question.
You wanted to ask him, bro.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Man.
What's the place I have to eat?
My mom, she stays in Davis.
It's about an hour from Vallejo.
What's the place we have to go?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
eat in Vallejo Like the best place to eat If you
were in Vallejo.
There's a spot on the otherside of the Carquinas called
Dead Fish that has a beautifulview of the Carquinas Bridge and
they serve dope food.
I also need one of my favoritesin San Francisco.
It's called Bang Long andthat's the spot that you hear
(21:41):
Matt Dre talk about a lot in hisraps and crustaceans.
It's basically Bang Longcrustaceans are the same owner,
but they have the secret saltand pepper crab that you have to
come out to here and try thegarlic noodles.
You know what I mean.
It's definitely a celebrationspot.
So banglong crustaceans anddead fish Damn Love it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes, hell.
Yeah.
Do you have anything else for amoment?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, when y'all touch down, call me, man, I'll
pull up on y'all.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Hell yeah, bro.
I was going to say, if I rollout there, it's on me.
And also, what are you smokingon?
Still Backwoods, or, like youknow, we got these fucking hash
oil, pans and shit.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, man, my baby mother is a hippie.
You feel me, so you know what Imean.
She has me on wallpapers a lot,you feel me.
Okay, fuck yeah, bro, you feelme.
(22:52):
So you know what I mean.
She had me on raw papers a lot,you feel me.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
But uh, as far as the tree, you know, I I live
actually up here in uh, you know, in lake county.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I live up here about humboldt county, so this is.
It's basically a whole.
Oh, okay, you know what I mean.
Right now I'm smoking.
Hold on, what's that shit?
Damn, I'm smoking.
It's called Blue Hair Band, butit's by a company, king
something.
You know the hash-infused,keith-infused joint, so I'm
smoking on that right now.
Blue Hair Band.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh yeah, oh yeah man, that's a good direction my
friend, hey, uh, so, uh, what,what else you got coming in the
future?
You're mentioning you're gonnado some shows coming up soon and
some projects are uh coming outand things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I'm very yeah um, last year, last year was my
first time performing with a?
Uh, with a live band.
Nice and uh, know what I mean.
Shout out to my boy, kev Choice, my band director.
Well, it was basically theywanted me to perform at a spot
(23:49):
called Neo Soul House Party andit's basically an upscale brunch
thing, and it was somethingthat I did on a uh.
You know a?
Uh, a rooftop supper club insan francisco was a very dressed
up thing and, uh, I performedwith a live band and, and this
year I'm gearing up to perform,um, if not april, the mid to
(24:15):
late may, I'm performing with alive band at Yoshi's, which is a
historic blues club that theyhave in Bay Area.
All the big acts, all the R&Bacts, they come and perform here
and I'm going to be performingthere with the live band and I'm
looking forward to it.
The first time I performed witha live band was the first time
(24:38):
that I actually had my mother orfather come to my show.
And over 30 years that I've beenin hip hop.
This was the first show thatthey actually saw me and, you
know, just blew their mind.
So I'm looking forward to doingit at the historic Yoshi's Club
in Oakland and it's going to bea big deal, man.
I'm going to do a short film,you know, showing the practices
(25:01):
and you know just everythingthat goes along and making this
night happen.
So I'm definitely going to lookout for that.
But I'm also touring with BeLegit and Selly Sale.
You know what I mean.
We on the Bay Bosses tour andI'm also doing a lot of shows
with my Cuddy Doobie.
You know what I mean.
(25:21):
We're doing a lot of shows.
I mean I'm one of the mostbooked uh artists in the bay
area.
You know what I mean.
If you, if you follow myinstagram, you see I have two,
three shows every single monthand I'm uh.
I'm thankful to god and thefans and supporters that I'm
able to still you know what Imean be relevant, put, put asses
in seats.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, bro, for sure.
Hey, you were talking aboutthat live band thing.
One of my daughters she's 17right now One of her favorite
tracks is Ism from Rebuild.
Yeah, that shit's dope.
That gives me that live band.
Feel you know what I'm saying.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, we do a lot of stuff.
I mean, for this performanceI'm going to be pulling out a
lot of, you know, my friends andpeople who I've done songs with
.
It's going to be a beautifulnight, man, you know it's
definitely the kind of nightthat you know.
You and the girl dress up,y'all come out.
You know what I mean.
And drink and look, fly and hearsome dope music Hell, some dope
(26:20):
music, hell.
Yeah, the band that I had.
That's why, kev Choice, I giveyou much love because of the
band director.
You know I was kind of nervousbecause you know I had a rock
rap band with Ray Love calledCrying Scene.
Okay, you know you can find iton YouTube and stuff, and with
Crying Scene it was like we didso we had to just to be okay,
(26:42):
right.
So I was kind of intimidatedabout that.
But my boy, kev choice man, hejust you know he, he's also an
artist, so he kind of you know,he grew up with the music, so he
was just like soon as we startpracticing.
I knew that it was gonna comeoff like gangbusters, because
you know he, he does his thingyeah, dog, that's ill.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love that shit.
I'm really proud of you, dog.
I don't know how else to saythat Like it makes me happy and
excited.
And I appreciate that, yeah,like I feel like a genuine like
damn bro, I'm really happyyou're going this way, man, and
that you made it through allthat, because I do know how
difficult a lot of that stuffcan be.
I know you've overcome a lotand like, just look at you, dog.
(27:20):
Like look at you now.
Would you ever thought whenyou're a little kid that this
what you'd be doing?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
uh, nah, not really man, because you know, as a
child, you feel me like.
You know, I used to stutter.
I had a severe stutter problem.
I couldn't even talk.
You know what I mean.
Now, my whole life has beenbased around me running my mouth
.
So of course I, just as thatlittle kid who couldn't say
hello to you, you feel mewithout stuttering.
I would not have think that Iwould be, you know, spitting
(27:49):
into me, you feel me, and andjust with the, you know, with
the surroundings and everything.
That's that's why I, you know,I, give the glory to the higher
powers man, to my ancestors, youknow, for keeping me solid and
praying for me even when Iwasn't praying, or you know what
I mean.
I know that it wasn't just me.
I know, with people whoactually love me, and and even
the people who love what I do Iknew I wouldn't be in this
(28:13):
entertainment if it wasn't, youknow, for the people who say,
hey, man, that song changed mylife, right, that song made me
think away, or or that song justgave me a feeling.
You feel me, because I knowthat music has got me through it
.
So, so for me to be somebody whoactually, you know, give that
love out to the people and makethem feel the way hey man, I'm,
(28:34):
you know I'm I, I.
I can't ask for nothing else.
You feel me and I feeldefinitely thankful and I feel
appreciate.
You know, I appreciate thepeople who appreciate me.
You know what I mean Straightup, because it has been a
struggle and every day, everyday ain't sunny you know what I
mean.
But hey man, I'm going to makeit to the next one.
You feel me, god willing.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Fuck yeah, dog, I love that Before.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Fuck yeah dog, I love that before we start to wrap
things up, bro Owen, do you gotanything else?
for him that you can tell usjust I can't even thank you
enough for shit.
Your music amazing.
But then to like all of thisthat you're talking about life,
man, as we get older and shitlike so this podcast has been
(29:23):
the call got me on.
I told him I never would havethought to be on one.
All this shit's been personalin a certain way.
But this is like, yeah, justlike I can't thank you enough,
man, and I'm going to fuckingcrack some fucking Mack Maul
this evening and fucking justenjoy.
Thank y'all for having me onthe 100th episode, man.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
That means a lot, man , and I want to commend y'all
for working hard, you know,because some people quit after
two episodes.
And y'all on your 100th one andI'm on it.
So thank y'all for having me,man, I appreciate y'all and and
I'm on it.
So thank y'all for having me,man, I appreciate y'all and I
want to come out there, man, todo a show man, so let's get it
together.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
We can get that going bro, If you're ever, ever have
the misfortune of being inBillings, montana.
Come by the shop, like I namedthis shit after after, well,
shit, he was Lynch Colt got hisyou know blue pitbull, and then
got the brother lynched.
(30:24):
That'll be my first stopbrother.
Yeah, now I call him Boogie.
After Boogie Down Productionswe got a fucking shop.
I'm trying to get Colt andNicole to open one out there, if
we can get the funds.
Just Boogie's bodega.
If you're ever in montana andbillings like, come by and I'm
looking hell yeah, bro, no doubtman, hopefully, hopefully I can
(30:49):
be on this.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Uh, the 200, 200th episode oh, that's gonna be a
thing now bro that's gonna be athing, bro, that's gonna be a
thing, hell yeah we gotta get towork.
yeah, no man, that this is goodbro, hell, yeah, I mean, like
all that positivity you weretalking, bro, that's exactly
what we're about right now, andhis shop there in billings
montana is all about communityand just trying to like make
(31:13):
sure people are okay and have aplace to go and stuff.
I mean he even stayed open onchristmas this year for the
people who didn't have familiesto pop by and stuff like that
and just hang out.
Oh, that's beautiful man,that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, bro, so that's beautiful man, but yeah, man.
Shout out to Bill in Montana.
Man, hey, yeah, Shout out toy'all man.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
All right, brother.
Well, I I hope you have a greatrest of your day.
Dog, I'll be giving you a callhere in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
All right, no doubt, hey man, shout out to everybody
you know what I mean, who'slistening to this man?
And I'll see y'all on episode200.
All right, yee.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Hell yeah, all right, brother, I'll talk to you Yee,
yee yee yeah.
All right man peace.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yee Much love everybody, Thank you.
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