April 10, 2023 • 27 mins
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Katie (00:08):
Hey everyone.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm Katie
Carma (00:10):
and I'm Carma and you're listening to, I'd rather be
canyoneering.
Katie (00:14):
We're best friends who totally geek out about canyon
rigging and beautifully slotcanyons.
Basically we'd always rather becanyoneering.
But when we can't, we spendevery spare minute, we have
talking about it.
Carma (00:26):
This podcast is for entertainment purposes only.
Please seek professionalinstruction and practice
technical skills in a controlledenvironment before entering slot
canyons.
Your safety is entirely your ownresponsibility.
Katie (00:41):
Welcome to our canyon crew!
Carma (00:45):
Katie, you're getting ready for a trip like tomorrow,
right?
Katie (00:50):
Yeah, I'm getting my gear together and, um it actually
made me think I've gotta textkarma because there's this new
thing I'm doing called a canyonwarmup and I have to share it
with you, so I just texted it toyou.
So check out this list with me.
this came to me while I was inCosta R.
It had been a really hectic timegetting down there.
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There had been this ice stormand the airports changed our
flights by three days, and I hadto reorganize my entire travel
plans and canyon plans.
We got in at like midnightinstead of noon, and then I had
to go back to the rental carplace at 6:00 AM and then drive
out and, and meet people for thecanyons first thing in the
morning.
So we're driving at like 6:00 AMand it was a nightmare to start.
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Ugh.
And I got into my first canyonand I stepped up to the first
repel anchor and went to set itup, and my brain just went blank
for a second, and I was like,Hey, Johann, why don't you rig
this first one and I'll doublecheck you because it takes a
second to flip into canyon modewhen you've been in such
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logistical planning mode.
And I realized, it could bereally beneficial to get my
hands on my gear the nightbefore or the morning before.
And so I put together this listof like 10 to 20 things to just
do with my hands the nightbefore or the morning of to get
into canyon mode and just likeconnect my body and my mind and
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make sure that my body and mymind are on the same page.
To me.
It's like I kind of pulled frommy days of soccer.
Carma (02:24):
Yeah.
Katie (02:25):
I would never start a game without doing a warmup lap
and taking some shots on goaland just like getting my mind
and my body working together.
And that's kind of whatinspired.
Carma (02:33):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Especially since it's winterright now.
And it's been a crazy winter inUtah and a lot of us haven't
gotten out very much into thecanyons lately.
And so there's things that we'vemaybe done a hundred times, but
it's been a while since we putour hands on our gear and
actually, you know, like tied toknot.
Katie (02:53):
So what I'm doing tonight is I am stepping up to my
practice bolts.
I have a Freestone Rems boarddownstairs.
There's also practice bolts thatare magnetic, that you can stick
to a car or your fridge, or, uh,you could also hang a piece of
webbing from a carport.
I've got that out back when it'snot snowing.
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So you can do any of thosethings.
Grab your gear and hang a rope,and here's the list.
The canyon warmup list startswith locking off your repel
device.
Then I tie a friction hitch fora hands-free backup, also known
as a third hand.
You know, I'm the first persondown, especially, then I tie a
water knot, also known as a ringbend.
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Next, do something for a singlepoint anchor.
So this is when you're gonna tiean anchor around an object like
a tree.
You could do a single wrap.
You could do a basket, a wrap,two pole one, tons of options
here, whichever one you want totry or to practice is good.
Then a clove hitch, then afigure eight on a bite for
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rescue loops.
Then an alpine butterfly toisolate a core shot or a damaged
section of rope.
Next, do a knot for joiningrope.
So this could be, for example, afigure eight, bend a double
fisherman, some version of an ED K, whatever your favorite is.
Then I'll rig some sort ofreleasable rigging.
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So maybe a compact, secure, ormaybe an E M O, maybe a totem.
Whatever it is you wanna usethis time around.
Next, I just run through mywhistle signals.
I like the international system.
It goes in order of mostimportant and most used first.
So one is stop or attention.
Two is off rope, three is lowerrope, and four is take up rope.
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Then I do a mariners's hitch forrescues, and then I tie some
courtesy rigging or a frostknot.
Same thing.
And especially if you're goingto a place where there's going
to be a lot of courtesy rigging,like over in Capital Reef, then
you'll wanna at least look at itand recognize.
Then I'll do some sort ofmechanical advantage.
I like to do a three to one andthen convert it to a five to
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one, but a three to one's.
Really basic.
If you wanna just start there,it just takes aole and a tip
block.
Then the last ones here are alittle more involved.
And if you don't have a weightedanchor, you can either stop here
or just put the items on therope instead of actually getting
on rope and pulling the boltsoutta your wall.
But, uh, the last ones here areto practice the setup for a self
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rescue, the setup for ascendingthe sequence for passing a.
And then last, if you're usingany specialty equipment on this
trip that you haven't pulled outfor a while, pull that out.
And that's it.
I absolutely recommend this listto anyone who's going out, and
especially if they're gonna beleading a group.
What do you think?
Carma (05:46):
that's a comprehensive list, but I think if you have
all the gear on hand, you can doit pretty quickly.
All of those steps.
And if you don't remember one,you might just need to watch a
video to refresh yourself, andthat's the whole point, right?
To get ready to go.
Katie (06:00):
And I wanted it to be fairly comprehensive so that I'm
not just going, oh yeah, Iremember everything.
It's like, no, wait, there'sone.
Oh yeah.
Let me go look at that courtesyrigging again, I, I haven't been
in Capital Reef in a while andit, it's supposed to catch me up
and say, Hey, get your hands onthis.
Make sure that everything is ina confident place,
Carma (06:19):
Yeah, and especially if you're leading two, you want to
be able to check other people'sstuff and be able to visualize
things really quickly.
So if something's like funky inthe canyon, you'd be able to
tell.
Because you just reviewed it
Katie (06:31):
Right, and if something doesn't look right, you can kind
of think of why it doesn't lookright.
Carma (06:35):
So Katie, can you tell me just a little bit more about
each of the items on this list,
Katie (06:40):
yeah, so let's run through'em one by one and talk a
little bit more about them.
And then this is also anothergood chance if somebody wants to
do it along with us, they can bedoing these while we're talking
about the details.
So starting again at the top ofthe list.
Number one is locking off yourrappel device.
Make sure that you know your ownlock off.
I like to look up whatever themanufacturer actually
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recommends.
And then maybe if someone'sbringing a device in your group
that you don't use all the time,then look up that lock off as
well.
Somebody I know just bought aridiculous squirrel, which is
like the only lock off.
I don't know.
And now I have to go look it upand I might need to buy a
squirrel just so that I can alsodo that lock off and practice
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it.
Carma (07:23):
Hmm?
What?
Me?
No.
Katie (07:26):
Yeah.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
So, or you can teach it to me.
Carma (07:30):
Yeah, I can teach it to you.
Like you said, Katie, it's niceto have the actual P d F from
the manufacturer of how to doit.
I recently found all the PDFsfor the common canyoning devices
and I downloaded them to myphone locally so that I could
bring it with to a practicesession with my friends, cuz I
knew that.
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There were a bunch of differentdevices that people had, and I
don't have them all memorized,and that way people could refer
to them and I just have them onhand all the time, and I can
double check their work and makesure they're doing it correctly.
Katie (08:03):
We should put that in the show notes too.
Carma (08:05):
Yeah.
I will.
Katie (08:06):
That'd be awesome.
Number two is a hands-freebackup.
Like I said, this is also knownas a third hand.
This is to back you up if youwere to lose control for any
reason while repelling.
So It's particularly helpful ifyou're the first person down.
Um, go ahead and practice yourfavorite method.
I really like the Velda 10 Trustand an auto block.
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Those are kind of my two that Iuse the most often.
The Velda 10 trusts is reallycool because it's releasable
under load, and so I like thatone when I'm rigging it above my
repel.
Because it can take the fullload of my body and still
release really nicely.
And that also makes it easy totie off my critter when it's all
above up there.
But there's times when I don'twant it above and I want to be
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able to come down, uh, with afree hand to maneuver around.
And that's maybe when I tendtowards the auto block below my
device with an extended repel.
So kind of think through a fewof those things when you're
deciding what hands-free backupyou wanna practice with.
Or maybe you wanna have a couplein your belt.
Carma (09:05):
Yeah, I like having more than one option so that I can
pick the best one for thatparticular repel that I'm at.
And we've talked about itextensively, which one is the
best?
And we have not been able tonarrow it down to one.
There's there's more than onegood option.
Katie (09:21):
Yeah, start with one and then expand your toolkit.
Carma (09:24):
The next one you have on your list is the water knot,
also called a ring bend.
That's the primary knot thatpeople tie into webbing for
anchors.
So that's something that even ifyou don't know how to tie it
yet, you can still get familiarwith inspecting it, making sure
that it's got long enough tailsand that the tails are going out
different directions and thatyou've checked that all your
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webbing is good and hasn't been,torn up.
Katie (09:51):
Yeah, know how to tie that knot.
You've got your hands on somewebbing so you know what, good
webbing should feel like.
You know, we're connecting thatmind and body here.
You know that it shouldn't feelcrunchy, it shouldn't feel like
it has rough spots, and you'llbe the one checking to make sure
that no mice have chewed throughit either.
Next up we have single pointanchors.
Like I said, this one is whenyou've got a strong.
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Object that you're tying theanchor around.
So maybe it's a, a solid tree ora big boulder, a big chalk
stone, something like that.
And there's a lot of ways to dothis.
A simple wrap, you see that alot where you just tie a water
knot and it has a wrap heat or aquick link on it.
And if you kind of practicethinking about, oh yeah, if I
put that knot on the back sideof the tree, that's cool.
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If you wanna start looking atsome of these, like a basket is
one where you have a loop andyou put it around a single
point, and then you pull thosetwo loops together and put a
ring through'em.
That's another option.
And then there's a few where youhave multiple wraps, so maybe
it's a wrap two, poll one or awrap three, poll two.
These are ones that you might betrying to add redundancy or some
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other element, but go ahead andpractice the ones that you know,
maybe all the ones that youknow, or maybe just the ones
that, you feel like you need arefresh.
Carma (11:06):
Next on the list is the clove hitch.
So you wanna practice tying thatand being able to inspect it.
Most of the time we usereleasable rigging now, so we
honestly don't use our clovehitches as much anymore.
But for a lot of people, it'sthe primary way that they rig.
They put a clove hitch on acarabiner and set up a block.
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And even if you aren't gonna useit for that purpose, a clove
hitch is really useful forputting someone straight into
the anchor.
And you wanna make sure thatwhen it's tied, that it's
dressed well.
Katie (11:40):
Yeah, no sloppy knots.
Carma (11:42):
yeah, if it's sloppy, it's gonna slip.
So make sure that when someonedoes tie a clove hitch that it's
tightened down and ready forsomeone to put weight on it.
And whenever you're setting up ablock, whether it's static or
releasable, you have the optionto also safety it off so you can
take, a bite of rope.
On the pull side and tie afigure eight on a bite and clip
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a carabiner to that, and thenclip that up to the anchor so
that if by accident someone wereto try to repel on the wrong
side of the rope, that they,they won't fall, right?
It'll hold them.
So That's one use for figureeight on a bite.
Another use for figure eight ona bite is when you need to drop
a loop to someone for a rescuesitu.
Katie (12:24):
Very useful.
Then number seven is our alpinebutterfly, to isolate a core
shot or a damaged piece of rope.
and a lot of climbers and caversare gonna be familiar with this
too.
So if you're repelling down andyou come up to a piece that has
a big old slice in it and it'snot safe to repel past that,
then you can isolate it with analpine butterfly.
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What I started doing to practicethe alpine butterfly is I
actually have the middles markedon a lot of my ropes, and so I
actually take that middle markand pretend that it's the core
shot, and then I can getfamiliar with how to make sure
that that part ends up out inthe alpine butterfly loop.
I, I do the hand wrap one and Iput it in the center of my hand
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wraps, and then that way I'mpulling that center piece and
that's what ends up being myloop.
It's a really cool way topractice that and make sure
you're actually able to grab acore shot and isolate it and
know where it is in the rope.
Carma (13:18):
And when you need to use an alpine butterfly, it's
probably gonna be a reallystressful situation.
You really need to have justthat muscle memory so you can
bust that out when you need it.
And kind of the same thing withlocking off your device when you
need it.
It's going to be stressful.
You need to have it memorized.
It needs to be able to justhappen.
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And I promise you.
If you're trying to helpsomebody else who needs to lock
off, like they need to know itahead of time, you're not gonna
be able to teach it to them onthe fly.
I promise.
I have tried
Katie (13:53):
Oh no.
Carma (13:54):
I've tried.
Yeah, someone's partially down arepel, and I'm trying to teach
them how to lock off and I can'ttouch their rope and they don't
know what I'm talking about.
I promise it's not gonna happen.
So learn it before you go.
Katie (14:06):
Good insight.
Number eight is our knot forjoining ropes, and there's a lot
of knots for joining ropes.
So again, this is dealer'schoice.
The common ones are the Figureeight Bend.
The double fisherman or somevariation of the E D K, which is
a flat overhand bend or astacked overhand.
The figure eight bend isprobably the most recognizable
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for people cuz it looks like theclimbers ate knot.
But you're actually connectingtwo ropes.
It's a little bigger, so it canget stuck a little bit more
easily.
And you also shouldn't do itwith ropes of different
diameters.
consider what ropes you'retaking down in the canyon with
you before you choose you'reknot that you're gonna need to
join the rope.
I like a double fisherman aswell.
That one kind of rolls nicelyover things.
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It's a little smaller anddoesn't get stuck as much, but
it's also really difficult tountie after it's been weighted.
So a friend of mine suggestedtying a square knot in the
middle and then the doublefisherman on the outside.
I do that.
You guys can experiment withwhat works for you.
There's also the e d.
And I prefer to do the stackedversion of that.
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And that asymmetry about the E DK allows it to go over edges
really easily, and it reallydoesn't tend to get stuck.
So these are all choices andvariations.
Research the ones that you wannalook at.
Learn the nuances of each ofthem so that you know what
you're specifically looking for.
To dress that not properly andto make sure it's absolutely
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right.
But these are some of the commonvariations you might.
Carma (15:34):
Sweet.
Yeah.
The next thing you wannapractice is your releasable
rigging of choice.
Again, there's.
A lot of options
Katie (15:41):
Right, tons.
Carma (15:44):
if you want to review some of the options that we have
talked about before, you can goback and listen to episodes two
and three to find out moredetail.
But kind of some of our go-tosare figure eight blocks, like
the compact, secure and the E MO, and then maybe like a totem
block.
You also have twin systemoptions like adjuster or a
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joker.
So maybe pick one or twofavorites.
And practice rigging them andthen go through the sequence of
releasing them so that you areconfident in your ability to do
that in the canyon if you needto.
Katie (16:18):
Great.
Number 10 is whistle signals.
And this is really helpful forcanyons where there's loud
waterfalls or even just placeswhere there's a lot of wind
karma, and I ran into that.
Carma (16:29):
Yeah, we were in Vegas and it was crazy windy.
We could not hear anything thatpeople at the bottom of the
rappel were saying, and on a lotof the rappels, we couldn't see
them either.
Katie (16:40):
Yeah, cause it was such a twisty, winding canyon and I
remember it was cold and we weretrying to avoid the icy water
and there's like one repel whereI wanted to tell you to give me
more rope because.
I wanted to avoid the water.
There was a walk off, off to theside, and I needed enough rope
to get you safely over to thatwalk off, and I wanted to just
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tie it off to a tree so that youjust had kind of a line that led
you over there.
So I was able to whistle formore rope, and then when people
started coming down, I was ableto whistle for attention and
have them, oh, oh, there youare.
You know, they, I couldn't tellthem before the repel what they
needed to do, but they saw meand came to me.
So that worked really well.
Carma (17:18):
Yeah, it was super useful.
Katie (17:20):
Yeah, so I like the international system the best
because I feel like some of theother systems are a little
harder for me to listen to shortblasts and long blasts.
So I like this one.
It puts the items in order ofimportance and how often they're
used.
one is stop or attention.
Two is off rope.
We use that a.
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Three is lower rope.
So this is really useful inaquatic canyons where you set
the rope short and then add someon purpose.
And then four is take up therope.
You just gave me way too much.
And then anything five or moreis emergency.
Things are freaking out.
So I love this system.
The only thing that sometimescomes up is that people get
confused between number threeand number four but I did figure
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out a really cool way to teachthis to someone, and that is
karma.
If you wanted to lower the rope,hold up a W with your fingers.
Carma (18:11):
Okay.
Katie (18:12):
How many whistle blows is that?
Yep, you're holding up threefingers for three whistle.
So lower rope is three, and ifyou can remember that, or you
hear three whistle blows and youhold up three fingers and you
see the W for lower, then youcan figure out by process of
elimination what the four is.
Carma (18:29):
Nice.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm totally gonna use that.
Katie (18:32):
mind and body together.
Hold up those fingers.
Carma (18:34):
Yeah.
And none of the other ones havea W in any of the words, so that
helps you remember.
Katie (18:40):
Exactly.
Those are like the top 10 andthose are the ones you can run
through really quickly.
We're gonna jump into the lastfew here.
And these are, like we said, alittle bit more advanced, but
they're also really good.
Carma (18:53):
The next one on the list is the Mariner's hitch.
The Mariner's hitch is superuseful.
For quick lifts and to convert astatic block to a releasable
block in a rescue situation.
So if that is one of the thingsthat's your go-to for rescuing,
then you should grab your longsling and practice tying that.
Katie (19:14):
Great.
The number 12 is courtesyrigging, and that's a Frost Knot
and even if you don't know howto tie it, Maybe just look at a
picture so that you recognize itand how to use it in a canyon.
It looks like a cute little bowtie at the end of the webbing.
And it's used to allow an anchorto be pulled up short for the
first few repellers, and thenextended for a harder repel for
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the last person, but a mucheasier pull so you don't stick
your rope.
So just take a look at what thatlooks like or practice tying.
Carma (19:43):
And that last person gets to ride the ride, right?
They, they have to do theawkward repel.
That's usually you, Katie.
Katie (19:50):
Oh man, I've been on so many awkward ponies.
Yeah,
Carma (19:55):
I'm usually next up, but, um, yeah.
Katie (19:58):
we'll put you on the chopping ma Luck.
Carma (20:00):
All right.
Katie (20:01):
13 is mechanical advantage, and that would be for
rescue situations from the top.
Don't let mechanical advantageoverwhelm you.
Do not get lost in the forestfor the trees.
I'm just gonna throw out twothat I think you can start with.
And they build really nicely oneach other and they use minimal
gear, With one pulley and onerope grab, like a tip lock.
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You can build a three to onesystem.
And that's where I thinkeveryone should start.
And I swear, I just wanna likemake a sticker of the three to
one, because more than trying toremember tensions or pulling or
this or that, if you can justlike picture oh, it's a table
like and a pulley.
I can see it.
For me, I just see it and I knowit's right.
I don't even have to explain itin my brain.
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So the three to one is the basicone, and then you can build off
of that into a five to one, andthat's really nice.
Or you could convert it to anine to one, whatever you wanna
do, but just start where you areand just try to get more
familiar with these things.
Carma (20:59):
Yeah, I remember when we were learning different
mechanical advantages and rescuesystems, it got like so mixed up
in my brain of like, which onedo I use when?
And I really had to go throughand sort it out.
But like you said, just focus onlearning that three to one
first, and you can buildeverything else off of that.
Katie (21:20):
Yeah,
Carma (21:21):
Next up is your setup for self rescue.
Self rescuing is anytime thatyou have an issue with your
rappel device and you need tounweight it for some reason.
Maybe it's your hair is caughtor your backpack strap is
caught, and you need a way toget your weight off of your
rappel device.
So in order to do a self rescuesequence, you're gonna need to
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take a rope grab and put it onthe rope above your repel
device, and then you'll attachyour foot loop to that.
And then when you stand up inyour foot loop, you're gonna use
your tether.
or your personal anchor systemto clip in short to that rope
grab so that you can then sit onyour tether and take the weight
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off of your rappel device andfix whatever funky thing is
going on with it.
Katie (22:08):
Super great skill.
Much better than someone gettingout a knife and getting crazy
around the rope.
Let's not do that.
Carma (22:14):
Let's not be cutting anything when we're hanging on a
tight.
Katie (22:18):
Yeah, so just a much better option.
And if for some reason youcannot continue to go down, you
might have to ascend, and thismight happen if your rope's too
short and you didn't rigreleasable, or it might happen.
If there's just something downin a pothole you don't wanna get
in there with, maybe it's icy orthere's a log jam that you feel
like is dangerous and you needto go rethink things,
Carma (22:39):
Or a snake,
Katie (22:41):
or a rattlesnake,
Carma (22:42):
or a snake.
Katie (22:44):
um, lots of things that could be going on down there.
Practice your ascending setup.
If you can wait it, great.
If not, just put the items on,or refer to a picture.
If you're gonna use like a frogsystem, go ahead and look up a
picture of what that looks like,so you just know where
everything goes.
Carma (23:00):
And if you just did your self rescue system, usually the
next step after doing that isthe rest of ascending.
So start one and you can leadright into the other.
Katie (23:11):
Perfect.
And what goes right along withthat is also passing a knot.
It's all part of the same, youknow, reversing, moving around
on the rope sequencing, so youcan look up the sequence for
passing a knot and do it withthe same gear right here.
It's very much like ascending
Carma (23:27):
Yeah.
Katie (23:28):
in reverse.
Carma (23:30):
Lastly, you wanna look at any specialty equipment you
think you might need to use inthe canyons.
So if you're running a canyonthat needs like a sand trap or a
fiddles stick or maybe a potshotor something like that, go over
setting that up and how you pullthat down.
I mean, he probably won't beable to practice that in your
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living room, but as long as youremind yourself how it's
supposed to go.
These specialty items are thingsthat you don't necessarily use
in every canyon.
so if you're planning to use oneof those, review.
Before you head out.
Katie (24:06):
So specialty equipment makes me think back to our
college days when we are lookingat those graphs in our
recreation management riskmanagement classes, and you're
looking at high frequency, highrisk activities like repelling.
You are doing something that ishighly risky, but you're doing
it a lot, so you're really wellpracticed at it versus something
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that is highly risky and reallylow frequency, that is the most
dangerous thing you can bedoing.
Just getting those out,practicing'em, looking at all
the details of things you needto remember to be careful about.
Like, I think about a sand trapand, when you're milking that
sand trap, you could be creatinga core shot in your rope.
So you need to protect the rope,just like little nuancey detail
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things that I need to just goback and, oh, yeah, did I
remember to bring something toprotect the rope?
If I'm using a sand trap, oh, inmy box with my fiddle stick
stuff, I a guide draw with twolocking carabiners.
You know, just like, do I haveeverything?
Do I have all the nuances thatgo with this gear?
Carma (25:04):
Yeah.
Katie (25:04):
And then you can be safe with your specialty equipment.
Carma (25:07):
Cuz if you just don't do it as much, you're more likely
to forget, a step.
It takes that risk level muchhigher if it's already a risky
activity and you haven't done itin a long time.
So do your warmup lap and beprepared.
Katie (25:21):
exactly.
And that's the end of the list.
So To recap, I love my precanyon warmup and I can quickly
go through these things.
You know, there's less than 20,so you can run through it pretty
easily.
And just make sure your mind andyour body are in the same place.
Carma (25:37):
For sure, and it's okay if you don't know everything on
this list, like we said before,maybe just practice all the ones
you do know, skip the ones youdon't, and then pick one of the
ones that you don't know as wellto.
Be your next thing that you'regonna learn.
You can ask your team leader toshow you how to do something
that you were unsure about sothat you can keep increasing
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your skills.
We're always trying to learn newthings and refresh the things
that we thought we knew.
Katie (26:04):
Yeah, and it's good to do this while you're still at home
with wifi reception, access toyour books, things like that
before you're in the canongoing, oh, I can't just look
this up right now.
Carma (26:17):
Right.
Yeah, we'll definitely put alink to Katie's Canyon warmup
into the show notes so that ifyou wanna print out your own
copy to review as you're gettingyour gear out and packing for
your trip, then you can havethat on hand.
Or you can just pull up thisepisode and push play again and
do it along with us while we'retalking.
Katie (26:38):
And actually I'd love to put together a video for folks
to watch this and do it with me.
I don't know when I'll getaround to that, but that is
something that I would love todo at some point.
Carma (26:48):
So stay tuned.
It's in the works.
And Katie, thanks for sharingwith us.
This is great, and I hope youhave a fun weekend.
Katie (26:57):
Oh, awesome.
Thanks.
I will.
Take care.
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Hey everyone.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm Katie
Carma (00:10):
and I'm Carma and you're listening to, I'd rather be
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Katie (00:14):
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rigging and beautifully slotcanyons.
Basically we'd always rather becanyoneering.
But when we can't, we spendevery spare minute, we have
talking about it.
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Katie (00:41):
Welcome to our canyon crew!
Carma (00:45):
Katie, you're getting ready for a trip like tomorrow,
right?
Katie (00:50):
Yeah, I'm getting my gear together and, um it actually
made me think I've gotta textkarma because there's this new
thing I'm doing called a canyonwarmup and I have to share it
with you, so I just texted it toyou.
So check out this list with me.
this came to me while I was inCosta R.
It had been a really hectic timegetting down there.
(01:11):
There had been this ice stormand the airports changed our
flights by three days, and I hadto reorganize my entire travel
plans and canyon plans.
We got in at like midnightinstead of noon, and then I had
to go back to the rental carplace at 6:00 AM and then drive
out and, and meet people for thecanyons first thing in the
morning.
So we're driving at like 6:00 AMand it was a nightmare to start.
(01:34):
Ugh.
And I got into my first canyonand I stepped up to the first
repel anchor and went to set itup, and my brain just went blank
for a second, and I was like,Hey, Johann, why don't you rig
this first one and I'll doublecheck you because it takes a
second to flip into canyon modewhen you've been in such
(01:56):
logistical planning mode.
And I realized, it could bereally beneficial to get my
hands on my gear the nightbefore or the morning before.
And so I put together this listof like 10 to 20 things to just
do with my hands the nightbefore or the morning of to get
into canyon mode and just likeconnect my body and my mind and
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make sure that my body and mymind are on the same page.
To me.
It's like I kind of pulled frommy days of soccer.
Carma (02:24):
Yeah.
Katie (02:25):
I would never start a game without doing a warmup lap
and taking some shots on goaland just like getting my mind
and my body working together.
And that's kind of whatinspired.
Carma (02:33):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Especially since it's winterright now.
And it's been a crazy winter inUtah and a lot of us haven't
gotten out very much into thecanyons lately.
And so there's things that we'vemaybe done a hundred times, but
it's been a while since we putour hands on our gear and
actually, you know, like tied toknot.
Katie (02:53):
So what I'm doing tonight is I am stepping up to my
practice bolts.
I have a Freestone Rems boarddownstairs.
There's also practice bolts thatare magnetic, that you can stick
to a car or your fridge, or, uh,you could also hang a piece of
webbing from a carport.
I've got that out back when it'snot snowing.
(03:14):
So you can do any of thosethings.
Grab your gear and hang a rope,and here's the list.
The canyon warmup list startswith locking off your repel
device.
Then I tie a friction hitch fora hands-free backup, also known
as a third hand.
You know, I'm the first persondown, especially, then I tie a
water knot, also known as a ringbend.
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Next, do something for a singlepoint anchor.
So this is when you're gonna tiean anchor around an object like
a tree.
You could do a single wrap.
You could do a basket, a wrap,two pole one, tons of options
here, whichever one you want totry or to practice is good.
Then a clove hitch, then afigure eight on a bite for
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rescue loops.
Then an alpine butterfly toisolate a core shot or a damaged
section of rope.
Next, do a knot for joiningrope.
So this could be, for example, afigure eight, bend a double
fisherman, some version of an ED K, whatever your favorite is.
Then I'll rig some sort ofreleasable rigging.
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So maybe a compact, secure, ormaybe an E M O, maybe a totem.
Whatever it is you wanna usethis time around.
Next, I just run through mywhistle signals.
I like the international system.
It goes in order of mostimportant and most used first.
So one is stop or attention.
Two is off rope, three is lowerrope, and four is take up rope.
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Then I do a mariners's hitch forrescues, and then I tie some
courtesy rigging or a frostknot.
Same thing.
And especially if you're goingto a place where there's going
to be a lot of courtesy rigging,like over in Capital Reef, then
you'll wanna at least look at itand recognize.
Then I'll do some sort ofmechanical advantage.
I like to do a three to one andthen convert it to a five to
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one, but a three to one's.
Really basic.
If you wanna just start there,it just takes aole and a tip
block.
Then the last ones here are alittle more involved.
And if you don't have a weightedanchor, you can either stop here
or just put the items on therope instead of actually getting
on rope and pulling the boltsoutta your wall.
But, uh, the last ones here areto practice the setup for a self
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rescue, the setup for ascendingthe sequence for passing a.
And then last, if you're usingany specialty equipment on this
trip that you haven't pulled outfor a while, pull that out.
And that's it.
I absolutely recommend this listto anyone who's going out, and
especially if they're gonna beleading a group.
What do you think?
Carma (05:46):
that's a comprehensive list, but I think if you have
all the gear on hand, you can doit pretty quickly.
All of those steps.
And if you don't remember one,you might just need to watch a
video to refresh yourself, andthat's the whole point, right?
To get ready to go.
Katie (06:00):
And I wanted it to be fairly comprehensive so that I'm
not just going, oh yeah, Iremember everything.
It's like, no, wait, there'sone.
Oh yeah.
Let me go look at that courtesyrigging again, I, I haven't been
in Capital Reef in a while andit, it's supposed to catch me up
and say, Hey, get your hands onthis.
Make sure that everything is ina confident place,
Carma (06:19):
Yeah, and especially if you're leading two, you want to
be able to check other people'sstuff and be able to visualize
things really quickly.
So if something's like funky inthe canyon, you'd be able to
tell.
Because you just reviewed it
Katie (06:31):
Right, and if something doesn't look right, you can kind
of think of why it doesn't lookright.
Carma (06:35):
So Katie, can you tell me just a little bit more about
each of the items on this list,
Katie (06:40):
yeah, so let's run through'em one by one and talk a
little bit more about them.
And then this is also anothergood chance if somebody wants to
do it along with us, they can bedoing these while we're talking
about the details.
So starting again at the top ofthe list.
Number one is locking off yourrappel device.
Make sure that you know your ownlock off.
I like to look up whatever themanufacturer actually
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recommends.
And then maybe if someone'sbringing a device in your group
that you don't use all the time,then look up that lock off as
well.
Somebody I know just bought aridiculous squirrel, which is
like the only lock off.
I don't know.
And now I have to go look it upand I might need to buy a
squirrel just so that I can alsodo that lock off and practice
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it.
Carma (07:23):
Hmm?
What?
Me?
No.
Katie (07:26):
Yeah.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
So, or you can teach it to me.
Carma (07:30):
Yeah, I can teach it to you.
Like you said, Katie, it's niceto have the actual P d F from
the manufacturer of how to doit.
I recently found all the PDFsfor the common canyoning devices
and I downloaded them to myphone locally so that I could
bring it with to a practicesession with my friends, cuz I
knew that.
(07:50):
There were a bunch of differentdevices that people had, and I
don't have them all memorized,and that way people could refer
to them and I just have them onhand all the time, and I can
double check their work and makesure they're doing it correctly.
Katie (08:03):
We should put that in the show notes too.
Carma (08:05):
Yeah.
I will.
Katie (08:06):
That'd be awesome.
Number two is a hands-freebackup.
Like I said, this is also knownas a third hand.
This is to back you up if youwere to lose control for any
reason while repelling.
So It's particularly helpful ifyou're the first person down.
Um, go ahead and practice yourfavorite method.
I really like the Velda 10 Trustand an auto block.
(08:27):
Those are kind of my two that Iuse the most often.
The Velda 10 trusts is reallycool because it's releasable
under load, and so I like thatone when I'm rigging it above my
repel.
Because it can take the fullload of my body and still
release really nicely.
And that also makes it easy totie off my critter when it's all
above up there.
But there's times when I don'twant it above and I want to be
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able to come down, uh, with afree hand to maneuver around.
And that's maybe when I tendtowards the auto block below my
device with an extended repel.
So kind of think through a fewof those things when you're
deciding what hands-free backupyou wanna practice with.
Or maybe you wanna have a couplein your belt.
Carma (09:05):
Yeah, I like having more than one option so that I can
pick the best one for thatparticular repel that I'm at.
And we've talked about itextensively, which one is the
best?
And we have not been able tonarrow it down to one.
There's there's more than onegood option.
Katie (09:21):
Yeah, start with one and then expand your toolkit.
Carma (09:24):
The next one you have on your list is the water knot,
also called a ring bend.
That's the primary knot thatpeople tie into webbing for
anchors.
So that's something that even ifyou don't know how to tie it
yet, you can still get familiarwith inspecting it, making sure
that it's got long enough tailsand that the tails are going out
different directions and thatyou've checked that all your
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webbing is good and hasn't been,torn up.
Katie (09:51):
Yeah, know how to tie that knot.
You've got your hands on somewebbing so you know what, good
webbing should feel like.
You know, we're connecting thatmind and body here.
You know that it shouldn't feelcrunchy, it shouldn't feel like
it has rough spots, and you'llbe the one checking to make sure
that no mice have chewed throughit either.
Next up we have single pointanchors.
Like I said, this one is whenyou've got a strong.
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Object that you're tying theanchor around.
So maybe it's a, a solid tree ora big boulder, a big chalk
stone, something like that.
And there's a lot of ways to dothis.
A simple wrap, you see that alot where you just tie a water
knot and it has a wrap heat or aquick link on it.
And if you kind of practicethinking about, oh yeah, if I
put that knot on the back sideof the tree, that's cool.
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If you wanna start looking atsome of these, like a basket is
one where you have a loop andyou put it around a single
point, and then you pull thosetwo loops together and put a
ring through'em.
That's another option.
And then there's a few where youhave multiple wraps, so maybe
it's a wrap two, poll one or awrap three, poll two.
These are ones that you might betrying to add redundancy or some
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other element, but go ahead andpractice the ones that you know,
maybe all the ones that youknow, or maybe just the ones
that, you feel like you need arefresh.
Carma (11:06):
Next on the list is the clove hitch.
So you wanna practice tying thatand being able to inspect it.
Most of the time we usereleasable rigging now, so we
honestly don't use our clovehitches as much anymore.
But for a lot of people, it'sthe primary way that they rig.
They put a clove hitch on acarabiner and set up a block.
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And even if you aren't gonna useit for that purpose, a clove
hitch is really useful forputting someone straight into
the anchor.
And you wanna make sure thatwhen it's tied, that it's
dressed well.
Katie (11:40):
Yeah, no sloppy knots.
Carma (11:42):
yeah, if it's sloppy, it's gonna slip.
So make sure that when someonedoes tie a clove hitch that it's
tightened down and ready forsomeone to put weight on it.
And whenever you're setting up ablock, whether it's static or
releasable, you have the optionto also safety it off so you can
take, a bite of rope.
On the pull side and tie afigure eight on a bite and clip
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a carabiner to that, and thenclip that up to the anchor so
that if by accident someone wereto try to repel on the wrong
side of the rope, that they,they won't fall, right?
It'll hold them.
So That's one use for figureeight on a bite.
Another use for figure eight ona bite is when you need to drop
a loop to someone for a rescuesitu.
Katie (12:24):
Very useful.
Then number seven is our alpinebutterfly, to isolate a core
shot or a damaged piece of rope.
and a lot of climbers and caversare gonna be familiar with this
too.
So if you're repelling down andyou come up to a piece that has
a big old slice in it and it'snot safe to repel past that,
then you can isolate it with analpine butterfly.
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What I started doing to practicethe alpine butterfly is I
actually have the middles markedon a lot of my ropes, and so I
actually take that middle markand pretend that it's the core
shot, and then I can getfamiliar with how to make sure
that that part ends up out inthe alpine butterfly loop.
I, I do the hand wrap one and Iput it in the center of my hand
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wraps, and then that way I'mpulling that center piece and
that's what ends up being myloop.
It's a really cool way topractice that and make sure
you're actually able to grab acore shot and isolate it and
know where it is in the rope.
Carma (13:18):
And when you need to use an alpine butterfly, it's
probably gonna be a reallystressful situation.
You really need to have justthat muscle memory so you can
bust that out when you need it.
And kind of the same thing withlocking off your device when you
need it.
It's going to be stressful.
You need to have it memorized.
It needs to be able to justhappen.
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And I promise you.
If you're trying to helpsomebody else who needs to lock
off, like they need to know itahead of time, you're not gonna
be able to teach it to them onthe fly.
I promise.
I have tried
Katie (13:53):
Oh no.
Carma (13:54):
I've tried.
Yeah, someone's partially down arepel, and I'm trying to teach
them how to lock off and I can'ttouch their rope and they don't
know what I'm talking about.
I promise it's not gonna happen.
So learn it before you go.
Katie (14:06):
Good insight.
Number eight is our knot forjoining ropes, and there's a lot
of knots for joining ropes.
So again, this is dealer'schoice.
The common ones are the Figureeight Bend.
The double fisherman or somevariation of the E D K, which is
a flat overhand bend or astacked overhand.
The figure eight bend isprobably the most recognizable
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for people cuz it looks like theclimbers ate knot.
But you're actually connectingtwo ropes.
It's a little bigger, so it canget stuck a little bit more
easily.
And you also shouldn't do itwith ropes of different
diameters.
consider what ropes you'retaking down in the canyon with
you before you choose you'reknot that you're gonna need to
join the rope.
I like a double fisherman aswell.
That one kind of rolls nicelyover things.
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It's a little smaller anddoesn't get stuck as much, but
it's also really difficult tountie after it's been weighted.
So a friend of mine suggestedtying a square knot in the
middle and then the doublefisherman on the outside.
I do that.
You guys can experiment withwhat works for you.
There's also the e d.
And I prefer to do the stackedversion of that.
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And that asymmetry about the E DK allows it to go over edges
really easily, and it reallydoesn't tend to get stuck.
So these are all choices andvariations.
Research the ones that you wannalook at.
Learn the nuances of each ofthem so that you know what
you're specifically looking for.
To dress that not properly andto make sure it's absolutely
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right.
But these are some of the commonvariations you might.
Carma (15:34):
Sweet.
Yeah.
The next thing you wannapractice is your releasable
rigging of choice.
Again, there's.
A lot of options
Katie (15:41):
Right, tons.
Carma (15:44):
if you want to review some of the options that we have
talked about before, you can goback and listen to episodes two
and three to find out moredetail.
But kind of some of our go-tosare figure eight blocks, like
the compact, secure and the E MO, and then maybe like a totem
block.
You also have twin systemoptions like adjuster or a
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joker.
So maybe pick one or twofavorites.
And practice rigging them andthen go through the sequence of
releasing them so that you areconfident in your ability to do
that in the canyon if you needto.
Katie (16:18):
Great.
Number 10 is whistle signals.
And this is really helpful forcanyons where there's loud
waterfalls or even just placeswhere there's a lot of wind
karma, and I ran into that.
Carma (16:29):
Yeah, we were in Vegas and it was crazy windy.
We could not hear anything thatpeople at the bottom of the
rappel were saying, and on a lotof the rappels, we couldn't see
them either.
Katie (16:40):
Yeah, cause it was such a twisty, winding canyon and I
remember it was cold and we weretrying to avoid the icy water
and there's like one repel whereI wanted to tell you to give me
more rope because.
I wanted to avoid the water.
There was a walk off, off to theside, and I needed enough rope
to get you safely over to thatwalk off, and I wanted to just
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tie it off to a tree so that youjust had kind of a line that led
you over there.
So I was able to whistle formore rope, and then when people
started coming down, I was ableto whistle for attention and
have them, oh, oh, there youare.
You know, they, I couldn't tellthem before the repel what they
needed to do, but they saw meand came to me.
So that worked really well.
Carma (17:18):
Yeah, it was super useful.
Katie (17:20):
Yeah, so I like the international system the best
because I feel like some of theother systems are a little
harder for me to listen to shortblasts and long blasts.
So I like this one.
It puts the items in order ofimportance and how often they're
used.
one is stop or attention.
Two is off rope.
We use that a.
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Three is lower rope.
So this is really useful inaquatic canyons where you set
the rope short and then add someon purpose.
And then four is take up therope.
You just gave me way too much.
And then anything five or moreis emergency.
Things are freaking out.
So I love this system.
The only thing that sometimescomes up is that people get
confused between number threeand number four but I did figure
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out a really cool way to teachthis to someone, and that is
karma.
If you wanted to lower the rope,hold up a W with your fingers.
Carma (18:11):
Okay.
Katie (18:12):
How many whistle blows is that?
Yep, you're holding up threefingers for three whistle.
So lower rope is three, and ifyou can remember that, or you
hear three whistle blows and youhold up three fingers and you
see the W for lower, then youcan figure out by process of
elimination what the four is.
Carma (18:29):
Nice.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm totally gonna use that.
Katie (18:32):
mind and body together.
Hold up those fingers.
Carma (18:34):
Yeah.
And none of the other ones havea W in any of the words, so that
helps you remember.
Katie (18:40):
Exactly.
Those are like the top 10 andthose are the ones you can run
through really quickly.
We're gonna jump into the lastfew here.
And these are, like we said, alittle bit more advanced, but
they're also really good.
Carma (18:53):
The next one on the list is the Mariner's hitch.
The Mariner's hitch is superuseful.
For quick lifts and to convert astatic block to a releasable
block in a rescue situation.
So if that is one of the thingsthat's your go-to for rescuing,
then you should grab your longsling and practice tying that.
Katie (19:14):
Great.
The number 12 is courtesyrigging, and that's a Frost Knot
and even if you don't know howto tie it, Maybe just look at a
picture so that you recognize itand how to use it in a canyon.
It looks like a cute little bowtie at the end of the webbing.
And it's used to allow an anchorto be pulled up short for the
first few repellers, and thenextended for a harder repel for
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the last person, but a mucheasier pull so you don't stick
your rope.
So just take a look at what thatlooks like or practice tying.
Carma (19:43):
And that last person gets to ride the ride, right?
They, they have to do theawkward repel.
That's usually you, Katie.
Katie (19:50):
Oh man, I've been on so many awkward ponies.
Yeah,
Carma (19:55):
I'm usually next up, but, um, yeah.
Katie (19:58):
we'll put you on the chopping ma Luck.
Carma (20:00):
All right.
Katie (20:01):
13 is mechanical advantage, and that would be for
rescue situations from the top.
Don't let mechanical advantageoverwhelm you.
Do not get lost in the forestfor the trees.
I'm just gonna throw out twothat I think you can start with.
And they build really nicely oneach other and they use minimal
gear, With one pulley and onerope grab, like a tip lock.
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You can build a three to onesystem.
And that's where I thinkeveryone should start.
And I swear, I just wanna likemake a sticker of the three to
one, because more than trying toremember tensions or pulling or
this or that, if you can justlike picture oh, it's a table
like and a pulley.
I can see it.
For me, I just see it and I knowit's right.
I don't even have to explain itin my brain.
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So the three to one is the basicone, and then you can build off
of that into a five to one, andthat's really nice.
Or you could convert it to anine to one, whatever you wanna
do, but just start where you areand just try to get more
familiar with these things.
Carma (20:59):
Yeah, I remember when we were learning different
mechanical advantages and rescuesystems, it got like so mixed up
in my brain of like, which onedo I use when?
And I really had to go throughand sort it out.
But like you said, just focus onlearning that three to one
first, and you can buildeverything else off of that.
Katie (21:20):
Yeah,
Carma (21:21):
Next up is your setup for self rescue.
Self rescuing is anytime thatyou have an issue with your
rappel device and you need tounweight it for some reason.
Maybe it's your hair is caughtor your backpack strap is
caught, and you need a way toget your weight off of your
rappel device.
So in order to do a self rescuesequence, you're gonna need to
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take a rope grab and put it onthe rope above your repel
device, and then you'll attachyour foot loop to that.
And then when you stand up inyour foot loop, you're gonna use
your tether.
or your personal anchor systemto clip in short to that rope
grab so that you can then sit onyour tether and take the weight
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off of your rappel device andfix whatever funky thing is
going on with it.
Katie (22:08):
Super great skill.
Much better than someone gettingout a knife and getting crazy
around the rope.
Let's not do that.
Carma (22:14):
Let's not be cutting anything when we're hanging on a
tight.
Katie (22:18):
Yeah, so just a much better option.
And if for some reason youcannot continue to go down, you
might have to ascend, and thismight happen if your rope's too
short and you didn't rigreleasable, or it might happen.
If there's just something downin a pothole you don't wanna get
in there with, maybe it's icy orthere's a log jam that you feel
like is dangerous and you needto go rethink things,
Carma (22:39):
Or a snake,
Katie (22:41):
or a rattlesnake,
Carma (22:42):
or a snake.
Katie (22:44):
um, lots of things that could be going on down there.
Practice your ascending setup.
If you can wait it, great.
If not, just put the items on,or refer to a picture.
If you're gonna use like a frogsystem, go ahead and look up a
picture of what that looks like,so you just know where
everything goes.
Carma (23:00):
And if you just did your self rescue system, usually the
next step after doing that isthe rest of ascending.
So start one and you can leadright into the other.
Katie (23:11):
Perfect.
And what goes right along withthat is also passing a knot.
It's all part of the same, youknow, reversing, moving around
on the rope sequencing, so youcan look up the sequence for
passing a knot and do it withthe same gear right here.
It's very much like ascending
Carma (23:27):
Yeah.
Katie (23:28):
in reverse.
Carma (23:30):
Lastly, you wanna look at any specialty equipment you
think you might need to use inthe canyons.
So if you're running a canyonthat needs like a sand trap or a
fiddles stick or maybe a potshotor something like that, go over
setting that up and how you pullthat down.
I mean, he probably won't beable to practice that in your
(23:50):
living room, but as long as youremind yourself how it's
supposed to go.
These specialty items are thingsthat you don't necessarily use
in every canyon.
so if you're planning to use oneof those, review.
Before you head out.
Katie (24:06):
So specialty equipment makes me think back to our
college days when we are lookingat those graphs in our
recreation management riskmanagement classes, and you're
looking at high frequency, highrisk activities like repelling.
You are doing something that ishighly risky, but you're doing
it a lot, so you're really wellpracticed at it versus something
(24:26):
that is highly risky and reallylow frequency, that is the most
dangerous thing you can bedoing.
Just getting those out,practicing'em, looking at all
the details of things you needto remember to be careful about.
Like, I think about a sand trapand, when you're milking that
sand trap, you could be creatinga core shot in your rope.
So you need to protect the rope,just like little nuancey detail
(24:48):
things that I need to just goback and, oh, yeah, did I
remember to bring something toprotect the rope?
If I'm using a sand trap, oh, inmy box with my fiddle stick
stuff, I a guide draw with twolocking carabiners.
You know, just like, do I haveeverything?
Do I have all the nuances thatgo with this gear?
Carma (25:04):
Yeah.
Katie (25:04):
And then you can be safe with your specialty equipment.
Carma (25:07):
Cuz if you just don't do it as much, you're more likely
to forget, a step.
It takes that risk level muchhigher if it's already a risky
activity and you haven't done itin a long time.
So do your warmup lap and beprepared.
Katie (25:21):
exactly.
And that's the end of the list.
So To recap, I love my precanyon warmup and I can quickly
go through these things.
You know, there's less than 20,so you can run through it pretty
easily.
And just make sure your mind andyour body are in the same place.
Carma (25:37):
For sure, and it's okay if you don't know everything on
this list, like we said before,maybe just practice all the ones
you do know, skip the ones youdon't, and then pick one of the
ones that you don't know as wellto.
Be your next thing that you'regonna learn.
You can ask your team leader toshow you how to do something
that you were unsure about sothat you can keep increasing
(25:58):
your skills.
We're always trying to learn newthings and refresh the things
that we thought we knew.
Katie (26:04):
Yeah, and it's good to do this while you're still at home
with wifi reception, access toyour books, things like that
before you're in the canongoing, oh, I can't just look
this up right now.
Carma (26:17):
Right.
Yeah, we'll definitely put alink to Katie's Canyon warmup
into the show notes so that ifyou wanna print out your own
copy to review as you're gettingyour gear out and packing for
your trip, then you can havethat on hand.
Or you can just pull up thisepisode and push play again and
do it along with us while we'retalking.
Katie (26:38):
And actually I'd love to put together a video for folks
to watch this and do it with me.
I don't know when I'll getaround to that, but that is
something that I would love todo at some point.
Carma (26:48):
So stay tuned.
It's in the works.
And Katie, thanks for sharingwith us.
This is great, and I hope youhave a fun weekend.
Katie (26:57):
Oh, awesome.
Thanks.
I will.
Take care.
Carma (27:04):
If you're totally hooked on canyoneering like us,
remember to subscribe, so youdon't miss any episodes and you
can also reach out to us onFacebook.
with questions, comments, topicsyou wanna talk about, or just to
say, Hey, cuz We would love tohear from you.
Thanks for dropping in with usand we'll catch you on the wrap
(27:24):
side.
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